Kook-Fishing with Barrett Brown

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It’s kind of inside blogosphere baseball, but Barrett Brown’s excruciating deconstruction of a wingnut obsessed with defending white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain and with attacking, well … me and anyone they think is defending me, is pretty danged funny: The Great Pundit Hunt – Epilogue: The Case of the Houses That May or May Not Be Blue Inside.

Excellent work, Barrett! Maybe some of these people will develop freakish obsessions with you now, and quit bugging me.

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113 comments

Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:45:05pm

I remember ‘Christmas Ghost’ was registered at LGF for awhile- pretty kooky. Had some creepy paulian/revolution styled video posted on their blog, so I’m not too surprised they would defend Stacy. That she’d write a complaint about something she didn’t take the time to read just goes to show what kind of support the fringe has- moronic.

Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:49:17pm

Barret Brown does seem to enjoy a good fight.

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:49:30pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

I remember ‘Christmas Ghost’ was registered at LGF for awhile- pretty kooky. Had some creepy paulian/revolution styled video posted on their blog, so I’m not too surprised they would defend Stacy. That she’d write a complaint about something she didn’t take the time to read just goes to show what kind of support the fringe has- moronic.

I remember that one too, which is funny since they all taste the same after a while.

From the article:

because to admit an error is to be thrown out of the conservative blogger union.

Never a truer word spoken.

jaunte Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:50:03pm

Barrett’s points #6 and 7 made me laugh.
So did this:

I realize that since you weren’t
even aware of how crass it is to defile someone’s artwork,perhaps you
also aren’t aware of the huge backlash that is coming your way….

HoosierHoops Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:51:16pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Barret Brown does seem to enjoy a good fight.

A serious smackdown…

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:52:22pm

Meanwhile, she noted that she is a busy corporate strategist and thus had little time to actually read those articles of mine that she’d been characterizing without having seen, presumably because she’d already spent all of her free time writing me a series of long, crazy e-mails about things she was too busy writing long, crazy e-mails to read.

Huh?

Also, in her e-mail to Brown, she says he once was respected AND that no one reads his stuff. Well, how can one be respected if one’s stuff is never read?

Is logic a stranger to this woman?

Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:52:59pm

13. I explained the situation to my lawyer and she laughed her ass off and advised me to just ignore you.

LMAO!

jaunte Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:55:20pm

Corporate strategy
just ain’t
what it used to be

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:55:48pm

I think the nic should be “Christmas Goose”.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:57:16pm

One of these days someone needs to put together “Kookapedia” — it’s a sure fire hit website.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:59:52pm

Ok, why’d it go so quiet in here? Is everyone out at go-daddy trying to register “kookapedia.com?”

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:00:38pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

I remember ‘Christmas Ghost’ was registered at LGF for awhile- pretty kooky. Had some creepy paulian/revolution styled video posted on their blog, so I’m not too surprised they would defend Stacy. That she’d write a complaint about something she didn’t take the time to read just goes to show what kind of support the fringe has- moronic.

And it was a Christmas Nirther.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

HoosierHoops Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:01:27pm

re: #11 Thanos

Ok, why’d it go so quiet in here? Is everyone out at go-daddy trying to register “kookapedia.com?”

There is so much open source material available..We may need a Google engine built in

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:02:07pm

re: #12 Bloodnok

And it was a Christmas Nirther.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Oh geeze…

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:04:11pm

re: #12 Bloodnok

And it was a Christmas Nirther.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I’m always disappointed to see a really crappy comment linked and I wasn’t one of the Lizards to downding it at the time. Where the hell was I?

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:04:17pm

Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:

[Link: videogum.com…]

Timmeh Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:04:37pm

A simpler response to these geniuses like Christmas Ghost:
(To paraphrase Barney Frank) Ma’am, trying to argue with you would be like arguing with a dining room table. I have no interest.

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:05:13pm

re: #15 Bloodnok

I’m always disappointed to see a really crappy comment linked and I wasn’t one of the Lizards to downding it at the time. Where the hell was I?

Maybe you dinged her down one of the other 151 times.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:05:40pm

re: #12 Bloodnok

And it was a Christmas Nirther.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

She’s still a nirther, as of a post on her blog 3 days ago. It’s almost as hilarious as Barrett’s article.

(WARNING: Extreme NUTBALL Site Who links to White Supremacists)

[Link: www.christmasghost.com…]

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:07:30pm

Does AnneFrance still hold the record in negative karma?

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:07:48pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Maybe you dinged her down one of the other 151 times.

You’re right. I must have. I feel better now, thanks!

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:08:27pm

Hrmm. The post is now down, damn I should have gotten a screenie… arrrggh

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:08:39pm

re: #19 Thanos

She’s still a nirther, as of a post on her blog 3 days ago. It’s almost as hilarious as Barrett’s article.

(WARNING: Extreme NUTBALL Site Who links to White Supremacists)

[Link: www.christmasghost.com…]

I get an error.

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:09:34pm

re: #19 Thanos

She’s still a nirther, as of a post on her blog 3 days ago. It’s almost as hilarious as Barrett’s article.

(WARNING: Extreme NUTBALL Site Who links to White Supremacists)

[Link: www.christmasghost.com…]

Upding. I’ll take your word for it that it was there and it was spectacular.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:09:43pm

Aha! Google Cache still there

[Link: www.christmasghost.com…]

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:10:35pm

[Link: www.adultswim.com…]

Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:12:38pm

re: #25 Thanos

Aha! Google Cache still there

[Link: www.christmasghost.com…]

Still way out there… Not of this nirth!

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:13:01pm

She / he / it is going the “Controversy justified but doesn’t matter however he might be a sekret muslim” route.

First is the status of one’s birth. In Islam, if your father was Muslim, than you are considered by that faith, a Muslim, until the day you die, or the day you renounce Islam (and in Islam, those days tend to fall on the SAME day). Obama Senior’s father was Muslim. Thus Obama Senior was, regardless of the intensity of his devotion, a Muslim. Since Senior was a Muslim, Junior was born Muslim as well. That sets this ball rolling.

While in Indonesia, Obama Junior attending schools that taught Islam, which is common in schools in Muslim-leaning countries, and Indonesia had a large Muslim population, of which Obama’s adopted step-father was a member.

But then, later in life, Obama says he converted, joining Jeremiah Wright’s church…not exactly a Christian church, judging from the sermons we’ve all been made aware of, but still, Obama claims that he left Islam.

Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:13:03pm

re: #25 Thanos

WOW! Teh crazee is strong in that one!

Timmeh Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:13:31pm

re: #12 Bloodnok

Good catch. Following the link to her blog reveals it’s the same person.
You cannot reason with Nirthers (or Truthers, Holocaust deniers, Creationists, etc.). Their grasp of reality makes even simple communication very difficult. They have poor reading comprehension. They have strange preconceptions.

SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:13:36pm

Does anybody here know a thing or two about chemistry and physics?

I’m having a discussion with a friend of mine who is a young earth creationist you who says we can’t verify the age of the earth as being in the billions of years.

Here is his argument:

“Regarding radio-metric dating, there are 2 big assumptions. First, that we can know the beginning amount of c-14. The second is that the rate of decay is constant “

I know he is wrong about the rate of decay being an assumption, I remember that much from chemistry class, but as to the beginning amount of the elementisotope in question, I don’t know how to answer that.

Any scientists in the house?

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:13:43pm

re: #25 Thanos

Aha! Google Cache still there

[Link: www.christmasghost.com…]

That’s right. BHO’s mom knew all those years ago that her son would be president so she had a fake birth announcement inserted into a paper.

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:14:40pm

re: #32 MandyManners

That’s right. BHO’s mom knew all those years ago that her son would be president so she had a fake birth announcement inserted into a paper.

My Lord! Just how long has this thing been planned?

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:15:19pm

re: #30 Timmeh

Good catch. Following the link to her blog reveals it’s the same person.
You cannot reason with Nirthers (or Truthers, Holocaust deniers, Creationists, etc.). Their grasp of reality makes even simple communication very difficult. They have poor reading comprehension. They have strange preconceptions.

But apart from that they’re really top shelf folks. 100% all the way.
/

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:16:10pm

re: #28 Thanos

She / he / it is going the “Controversy justified but doesn’t matter however he might be a sekret muslim” route.

Teh nirth certifikit is a forgeawee:

And after you have watched these videos please think about this:
Obama’s certificate of live birth is a FORGERY.
Go here and read this at Atlas Shrugs…
Many thanks to Pamela Geller and Atlas Shrugs…

[Link: 74.125.93.132…]

Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:16:13pm

re: #28 Thanos

She / he / it is going the “Controversy justified but doesn’t matter however he might be a sekret muslim” route.

Geller might want to look out- she has some competition.

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:16:15pm

re: #30 Timmeh

Good catch. Following the link to her blog reveals it’s the same person.
You cannot reason with Nirthers (or Truthers, Holocaust deniers, Creationists, etc.). Their grasp of reality makes even simple communication very difficult. They have poor reading comprehension. They have strange preconceptions.

To quote Tom Reagan, from Miller’s Crossing:

All in all, not a bad guy, if looks brains, and personality don’t count.

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:18:32pm

re: #33 Guanxi88

My Lord! Just how long has this thing been planned?

Gotta’ read the chemtrails.

Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:19:31pm

re: #31 spacejesus

How Creationists Misrepresent the Carbon-14 Dating Method

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:19:32pm

re: #38 MandyManners

Gotta’ read the chemtrails.

You see them, too? Demonic games of aerial tic-tac-toe.

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:20:52pm

re: #28 Thanos

She / he / it is going the “Controversy justified but doesn’t matter however he might be a sekret muslim” route.

You want proof, from Muslims, yet, that he isn’t and wasn’t a Muslim? I haven’t heard one sermon or fatwa claiming apostasy on his part. Case closed, as those guys aren’t known for leniency.

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:20:56pm

re: #25 Thanos

Aha! Google Cache still there

[Link: www.christmasghost.com…]

Not sure if I like the brown and sepia color scheme. Not very Christmas-y.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:21:30pm

re: #31 spacejesus

No, but this page is good for refuting the standard claims

[Link: www.asa3.org…]

The other thing you need to point out is that radiometric data is only one data point for age: there are several others Including layer in geologic stack, dating of surrounding rocks, magnetic dating, uranium-lead dating, potassium argon dating, etc. etc.
All the means tend to agree.

Here also is Wiki,

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
and Talk Origins
[Link: www.talkorigins.org…]

Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:22:44pm

For those gardening in arid environments…
Making a Keyhole Garden in Lesotho

Vimeo

Making a Bag Garden in Uganda

Vimeo

RadicalRon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:24:14pm

Is this what everybody’s looking for? I just read it, so I know the link is good.

Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:25:16pm

Good night, Lizards. May you all have sweet dreams.

HoosierHoops Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:25:39pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

Good night, Lizards. May you all have sweet dreams.

Be Well

Bloodnok Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:25:47pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

Good night, Lizards. May you all have sweet dreams.

G’Nite Sharm!

Quant Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:25:49pm

re: #31 spacejesus
A Radiometric Dating Resource List has some useful links to articles.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:26:24pm

Btw Spacejesus that first link I provided is a Christian, who understands and supports carbon dating. He might be more open to that guy if you send him there.

Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:27:05pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

It’s actually a very cool group…
Send a Cow charity

Vimeo

Barrett Brown Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:29:33pm

re: #31 spacejesus

If you’re looking for any sort of information regarding creationist claims and how to refute them, Talk Origins has a fantastic database of such things.

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:30:32pm

re: #52 Barrett Brown

Welcome, honored guest!

SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:30:37pm

re: #50 Thanos

Btw Spacejesus that first link I provided is a Christian, who understands and supports carbon dating. He might be more open to that guy if you send him there.

thanks guys. I’m super busy with homework so don’t have the time to dig as much as I should into this.

does anybody know how we determine the “beginning” amound of c-14 in a given object we want to date?

I’ll keep reading the articles too. Thanks again.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:31:21pm

re: #35 Gus 802

[Link: 74.125.93.132…]

Apparently obsessed with Pam Geller and Boobs:

I blame the west’s perennial refusal to understand ANYTHING about an enemy. Thanks to public schooling (thanks DoE!) few people have the skills or patience to actually research something, unless it involves boobs (GUILTY!)

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:32:36pm

re: #55 Thanos

Another writer-genius like Jumpinginpools.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:34:01pm

Evening lizards.

Timmeh Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:35:30pm

re: #31 spacejesus

Does anybody here know a thing or two about chemistry and physics?

I’m having a discussion with a friend of mine who is a young earth creationist you who says we can’t verify the age of the earth as being in the billions of years.

Here is his argument:

“Regarding radio-metric dating, there are 2 big assumptions. First, that we can know the beginning amount of c-14. The second is that the rate of decay is constant “

I know he is wrong about the rate of decay being an assumption, I remember that much from chemistry class, but as to the beginning amount of the elementisotope in question, I don’t know how to answer that.

Any scientists in the house?

C-14 is not used for dating the age of the earth. Its useful range is much shorter, thousands or tens of thousands of years.

Here is a summary of the various lines of evidence used for dating the earth:
[Link: www.talkorigins.org…]

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:36:23pm

re: #56 Gus 802

Another writer-genius like Jumpinginpools.

/

Yes he also seems to have a beef with the Department of Energy over public schools for some reason.

Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:37:48pm

re: #52 Barrett Brown

If you’re looking for any sort of information regarding creationist claims and how to refute them, Talk Origins has a fantastic database of such things.

Absolutely. Talkorigins is in the ‘Resources’ menu in our left appendage.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:38:23pm

re: #54 spacejesus

thanks guys. I’m super busy with homework so don’t have the time to dig as much as I should into this.

does anybody know how we determine the “beginning” amound of c-14 in a given object we want to date?

I’ll keep reading the articles too. Thanks again.

I could be wrong here, but the starting amount probably doesn’t matter. What matters is the amount that’s there now compared to the amount of materials it typically decays into?

SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:38:55pm

re: #58 Timmeh

C-14 is not used for dating the age of the earth. Its useful range is much shorter, thousands or tens of thousands of years.

Here is a summary of the various lines of evidence used for dating the earth:
[Link: www.talkorigins.org…]

yeah, I pointed that out right away, I already knew c-14 was used for much more recent dating.

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:39:02pm

re: #59 Thanos

Yes he also seems to have a beef with the Department of Energy over public schools for some reason.

Yeah, I noticed that. DOE is Department of Energy. Found this new over there by TFMo:

October 17, 2009
One Nation, Slightly Used

We on the Right warned that the election of socialist Barack Obama would lead to the end of US sovereignty, and the Left laughed and poo-poo’ed our concerns.

Well, guess what?

From the lovely Pam Geller: ACTION ALERT: Obama to Cede US Sovereignty in December

And from Drusilla Barron: Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty in Copenhagen, claims British Lord Monckton

And this is what the Communist In Chief will be signing: UNFCCC

[snip]

Mr. Gingrich, you have cast your lot with the anti-American, anti-Constitution criminal scum. You are no Conservative, sir, you are a fair-weather moderate appeaser. For me, this is the final blow to what shreds of credibility you had.

[Link: 74.125.93.132…]

Unhinged.

SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:39:30pm

re: #61 Thanos

I could be wrong here, but the starting amount probably doesn’t matter. What matters is the amount that’s there now compared to the amount of materials it typically decays into?

yeah, that’s what im getting from the articles i think

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:41:47pm

re: #64 spacejesus

yeah, that’s what im getting from the articles i think

Once you refute that he’ll probably go to “but volcanic events reset the clock” etc. so you might as well read through the whole list

SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:44:24pm

re: #65 Thanos

Once you refute that he’ll probably go to “but volcanic events reset the clock” etc. so you might as well read through the whole list

wait, wouldn’t that argument make the earth even older then?

Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:44:37pm

re: #64 spacejesus

yeah, that’s what im getting from the articles i think

What don’t you tell them you didn’t have anything to do with it? That should settle that.

Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:45:15pm

re: #54 spacejesus

thanks guys. I’m super busy with homework so don’t have the time to dig as much as I should into this.

does anybody know how we determine the “beginning” amound of c-14 in a given object we want to date?

I’ll keep reading the articles too. Thanks again.

Beginning amount of C-14 is not the issue, it’s the beginning amount of what it decays into (Nitrogen 14) vs the amount present that counts. How they know that number I do not know but I know they do and I’m going to find the explanation somewhere now that you have brought this up.

Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:46:19pm

Does anyone know if this guy Michael Ruppert is a total nutjob? This is the first I’ve heard of him:

Youtube Video

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:46:32pm

re: #66 spacejesus

wait, wouldn’t that argument make the earth even older then?

Yes it would.

PAUL_MACDONALD Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:47:12pm

Barrett Brown is rapidly becoming a “must read”. I love well written articles, and Mr. Brown certainly fits the bill.

Barrett Brown Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:47:53pm

re: #60 Charles

Absolutely. Talkorigins is in the ‘Resources’ menu in our left appendage.

My kind of blog.

Also, even if one isn’t trying to argue with a creationist or intelligent design proponent or what have you, Talk Origins is extraordinarily interesting stuff. The silver lining to intelligent design movement is that to refute it thoroughly, one has to read up on topics ranging from physics to Christology (more specifically, the Word-Flesh Christology of Chalcedon or some such, as William Dembski is fond of discussing when not on CNN telling everyone that Jesus isn’t involved).

Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:50:27pm

re: #69 Conservative Moonbat

Does anyone know if this guy Michael Ruppert is a total nutjob? This is the first I’ve heard of him:

[Video]

To rephrase that. I know he’s kind of a nutjob but does anyone know more about him?

I’m googling him but I’m also kinda lazy.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:51:30pm

re: #72 Barrett Brown

My kind of blog.

Also, even if one isn’t trying to argue with a creationist or intelligent design proponent or what have you, Talk Origins is extraordinarily interesting stuff. The silver lining to intelligent design movement is that to refute it thoroughly, one has to read up on topics ranging from physics to Christology (more specifically, the Word-Flesh Christology of Chalcedon or some such, as William Dembski is fond of discussing when not on CNN telling everyone that Jesus isn’t involved).

He gets that Chalcedony stuff from his friend Rushdoony…

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #69 Conservative Moonbat

Does anyone know if this guy Michael Ruppert is a total nutjob? This is the first I’ve heard of him:

Let’s see. He directed a video called called The Truth and Lies about 9-11.

From Amazon:

[snip]

Mike gave his first post 9-11 lecture at Portland State University, which was attended by more that 1,000 citizens and resulted in a standing ovation. “The Truth and Lies of 9-11” is the video of that event, including specail exclusive interviews with Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney, Barbara Lee, and Dillon Reed.

simoom Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:53:42pm

re: #63 Gus 802

And from Drusilla Barron: Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty in Copenhagen, claims British Lord Monckton
And this is what the Communist In Chief will be signing: UNFCCC

[Link: 74.125.93.132…]

Unhinged.

I was seeing that Lord Monckton Youtube video from time to time when I was collecting Hot Air comment excerpts. It seems to be a favorite of NWO types all about the internet. Naturally Lord Monckton also turned up on Glenn Beck’s radio show last Monday.

Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:55:20pm

re: #75 Gus 802
OK, pretty much all I needed to know without reading through his gobbledygook.
.

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:55:27pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Who’s Dillon Reed?

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:55:31pm

re: #76 simoom

I was seeing that Lord Monckton Youtube video from time to time when I was collecting Hot Air comment excerpts. It seems to be a favorite of NWO types all about the internet. Naturally Lord Monckton also turned up on Glenn Beck’s radio show last Monday.

Yeah, Lord “CO2 is Plant Food” Monkton. The journalist masquerading as a scientist.

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:57:37pm

re: #78 MandyManners

Who’s Dillon Reed?

Not sure. I thought maybe he was associated with “Loose Change.” Maybe Alex Jones? Would have to search.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:58:05pm

re: #74 Thanos

He gets that Chalcedony stuff from his friend Rushdoony…

Rushdoony

Rushdoony was the keynote preacher at a symposium held in September at the Chalcedon Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Ga., to observe the 40th anniversary of the Chalcedon Foundation, the ultra-fundamentalist Christian ministry founded in California by Rushdoony’s late father, R.J. Rushdoony. The elder Rushdoony was a racist and Holocaust denier who took his group’s name from a medieval council of bishops that proclaimed the subservience of all nations and governments to God.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:58:08pm

re: #75 Gus 802

There is also has a sexual harassment beef against him.

Sexual harassment complaint against Michael Ruppert upheld

An Oregon official has upheld an administrative complaint of sexual harassment against Michael Ruppert, subject of the new documentary “Collapse.”

Brad Avakian, commissioner of the state Bureau of Labor and Industries, found Ruppert committed egregious harassment of a one-time employee of his defunct investigative newsletter, Into the Wilderness, in 2006.

Avakian awarded Lindsay Gerken $2,713 in back wages, saying Ruppert fired her after she complained about his advances. The commissioner trumped that with $125,000 in damages for “emotional and mental suffering.”

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:59:47pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

He appears to be a survivalist pimp, if we’re not doomed then he’s not selling gold

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:00:05pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

That’s gonna hurt. With that $125,000 “bill” he’ll have to ramp up the alarmist rhetoric to sell more of his wares.

MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:00:06pm

re: #80 Gus 802

Not sure. I thought maybe he was associated with “Loose Change.” Maybe Alex Jones? Would have to search.

I found nothing.

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:01:05pm

re: #77 Conservative Moonbat

OK, pretty much all I needed to know without reading through his gobbledygook.
.

More kookiness here:

[Link: www.fromthewilderness.com…]

Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:03:02pm

re: #86 Gus 802

More kookiness here:

[Link: www.fromthewilderness.com…]

I just can’t figure out how he became the subject of a movie that’s been reviewed by Variety and other major publications.

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:03:21pm

re: #83 Thanos

He appears to be a survivalist pimp, if we’re not doomed then he’s not selling gold

It’s a funny thing - if things are really going to descend into Mad Max on acid, what good do they think a pile of gold will do them? Do they expect to be able to trade it for anything at all?

In the Chinese revolution, in the areas where the Reds took over, they followed the Soviet example, and imprisoned or executed folk who had gold. Proof, as they saw it, of counter-revolutionary sentiment.

lostlakehiker Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:05:09pm

re: #31 spacejesus

Does anybody here know a thing or two about chemistry and physics?

I’m having a discussion with a friend of mine who is a young earth creationist you who says we can’t verify the age of the earth as being in the billions of years.

Here is his argument:

“Regarding radio-metric dating, there are 2 big assumptions. First, that we can know the beginning amount of c-14. The second is that the rate of decay is constant “

I know he is wrong about the rate of decay being an assumption, I remember that much from chemistry class, but as to the beginning amount of the elementisotope in question, I don’t know how to answer that.

Any scientists in the house?

Carbon 14 has a constant rate of decay over any time interval that it’s been tested. All science involves the assumption that there are regularities and laws to be found in nature. If all is chaos and all apparent regularity is merely provisional and disappears the moment you stop looking, then all bets are off and science is impossible. Indeed, any kind of knowledge becomes impossible.

History takes it as given that the words printed on a printed page on a book in library do not move around or mutate while the book is sitting on the shelf. Theologians take it as given that the words in a Bible are the same each time you open it up.

As to knowing the beginning amount of C14, we’re on pretty solid ground. C14 is produced from N14 in the upper atmosphere. Wikipedia sayethCosmic rays strike our sky and stir up a bit of a nuclear storm. An occasional stray neutron strikes a nitrogen atom (nitrogen being the main component of air) with the result that where one had before a neutron and a nitrogen atom, one has now a carbon atom and a hydrogen atom. Mass inputs: 14+1=15, outputs 14+1=15. Charge inputs, 0+0=0, and 0+0=0. Protons, 7+0=7, output 6+1=7. The new carbon atom has 6 protons and 8 neutrons. Presto, C14.

Now assuming that the sky is more or less the same from one year to the next, with about as many cosmic rays in one year as the next, (an assumption that fits what facts we have measured very well indeed, and theologians do not dispute that the heavens are remarkably stable), it stands to reason that C14 production would be stable too. Since C14 decays quickly, with a half-life of just 5000-some years, the amount of C14 in the atmosphere logically would have to be pretty nearly constant.

Living things get their carbon from the air. (Venus fly traps being a very minor exception.) When they die, their C14 content, which would start the same fraction as is found in the atmosphere, begins to fade. After 5000 or so years, it’s down to half what it used to be. Or turn it around, when the C14 content of some relic is half what today’s living plants contain, that relic is 5000-some years old. This, too, agrees very nicely with what we can measure and verify concerning centuries-old paper, parchment, and papyrus. Now, one simply extrapolates. This allows you to date organic relics back to a few tens of thousands of years. Beyond that, C14 content becomes so small that reliable dating is impossible. If there are NO remaining C14 atoms, there is no way to tell whether the thing is 1 million years old, or 1 billion, from this fact alone.

Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:05:14pm

re: #85 MandyManners

I found nothing.

Maybe this?

[Link: www.google.com…]

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:07:27pm

Cynthia McKinney On Why We Should Believe Mike Ruppert

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:09:07pm

re: #87 Conservative Moonbat

Yep, we have “The Insurgent’s Handbook” on his site, links to Russo and “Shut down the Fed - Gold Standard” etc. whole megatons of teh stupid, all geared toward making him money.

Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:09:11pm

OK, this makes it make a little more sense

[Link: www.variety.com…]

It’s partially a character study of the dude and not just him narrating his apocolypic vision.

Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:10:06pm

re: #83 Thanos

He appears to be a survivalist pimp, if we’re not doomed then he’s not selling gold

“Gold has never been worth nothing,” they say.

Okay - here’s an example of a probable, post-collapse, scenario.

Survivalist has a Krugerrand or a $20 Gold Eagle. Goes to Farmer Joe.

“Wanna buy some chicken,” says Survivalist.

“Sure, whaddaya got?”

“I got one ounce of gold,” says he.

Unless the farmer wants to buy material for a piece of jewelry, unlikely in the event of a true collapse, he doesn’t want an ounce of gold. If he does want gold, how is he supposed to make change?

Assuming the farmer takes the gold, the Survivalist just bought one very expensive chicken, at best.

Timmeh Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:10:41pm

Orly’s latest brain-dead lawyering
Now she’s appealing to the interwebs to help her figure out what laws she can abuse to charge Obama and the MSM with something, anything.

I currently don’t have time to research and therefor need help from my supporters. I remember there are specific statutes in Federal Communications Act and Federal Elections Committee, where members of the media that are defrauding the public in relation to the elections, can be held liable. I need quotes of the specific statutes. I will be reporting the names of the editors and reporters,who refuse to report on eligibility cases and January 26 trial. It might be necessary to join these members of the media as additional defendants in RICO (Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations) action.

Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:10:50pm

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

Cynthia McKinney On Why We Should Believe Mike Ruppert

LOLOL!
Cynthia is just, well, a loon!

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:12:29pm

I could be a better “prophet of the apocalypse” than all these guys rolled together, Beck included, if I could only lie…

anno Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:13:52pm

What time does the Nightly Nancy thread start?

SteveC Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:14:19pm

re: #97 Thanos

I could be a better “prophet of the apocalypse” than all these guys rolled together, Beck included, if I could only lie…

… like a sunovabitch?

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Big Steve Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:15:18pm

re: #60 Charles

Absolutely. Talkorigins is in the ‘Resources’ menu in our left appendage.

Speaking of Margins…I noticed an ad on LGF for Orizon…which advertises that it introduces the “trace” element of silicon into the body. This “remedy” has been widely debunked. But I guess if someone wants to pay to advertise on this site, more power to them.

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Big Steve Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:16:07pm

re: #98 anno

What time does the Nightly Nancy thread start?

Huh?

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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:17:00pm

re: #84 Gus 802

That’s gonna hurt. With that $125,000 “bill” he’ll have to ramp up the alarmist rhetoric to sell more of his wares.

This guy is a real piece of shit.

An Ashland-based journalist has been fined more than $120,000 for sexually harassing and then firing a 25-year-old employee.

Michael Ruppert blogs, writes books, and is the subject of a new documentary film: Collapse. For a time he operated his magazine From the Wilderness in Ashland.

State labor commissioner, Brad Avakian, says Ruppert continually propositioned Lindsay Gerken – one time walking into her office wearing nothing but his underwear and a smile.

Brad Avakian: “We had one of our investigators do a thorough investigation. And after finding evidence that he had done these things, we prosecuted the case to one of our administrative law judges. Michael Ruppert represented himself at the trial and the judge found against him.”

Avakian says Ruppert continually had conversations of a sexual nature in the office and left the woman frightened.

He says Ruppert then fired her for turning him down and then tried to trash her reputation on the internet.

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Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:19:10pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Sure sounds like a creep. I wonder if he left an internet trail when he tried trashing her reputation.

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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:21:44pm

re: #94 Guanxi88

Thats why small denomination gold coins exist-to make change. Even 1 gram coins are out there.If the farmer can trade the gold for seed, as is likely all is well. Hyperinflation can happen with or without gold. I’m no fan of gold as a hoard. I’m not an advocate. But I have sold gold to these folks who seek shelter against inflation. Silver coins also fill the change/small purchase bill.

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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:32:59pm

Added a few more advertisers in the affiliate network tonight, e.g. Circuit City.

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Timmeh Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:42:42pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Some background on Ruppert. He’s a Truther.

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irving Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:46:13pm

re: #104 Rightwingconspirator

Thats why small denomination gold coins exist-to make change. Even 1 gram coins are out there.If the farmer can trade the gold for seed, as is likely all is well. Hyperinflation can happen with or without gold. I’m no fan of gold as a hoard. I’m not an advocate. But I have sold gold to these folks who seek shelter against inflation. Silver coins also fill the change/small purchase bill.

…But how can you be sure it’s gold? Or that the coin hasn’t been shaved?

It’s so much nicer when someone - say, a government - issues paper that say it’s worth X amount of gold.

And if you’re willing to do the math and get really fancy, the government can say that the paper is worth X amount of gold, or oil, or wheat, or whatever those things are worth in relation to each other.

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TedStriker Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:00:51pm

re: #105 Charles

Added a few more advertisers in the affiliate network tonight, e.g. Circuit City.

Umm, Circuit City went out of business earlier this year…

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TedStriker Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:03:35pm

re: #108 talon_262

Damnit, never mind me…I didn’t know that Systemax (parent company of TigerDirect) bought CircuitCity.com and all of Circuit City’s online assets, like they did with CompUSA when it went under.

My bad, Charles…

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tradewind Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:50:12pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Good Grief. There are still some nirther barnacles clinging to the hull of that wreck?
Now you have to add ’ and nirthers ’ to the old saying that rattlesnakes and snapping turtles never let go.

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tradewind Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:51:41pm

re: #109 talon_262
I don’t know about nationally, but the CC stores in our area filed Chapter 11 or 13 last year. Both of them are boarded up… or were.

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KernelPanic Tue, Oct 27, 2009 3:37:10am

Circuit City did to bankrupt but the assets after the firesale (notably the website and domain name) were bought by a company planning on doing e-tail business via the CC name.

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Yashmak Tue, Oct 27, 2009 12:20:01pm

re: #111 tradewind

I don’t know about nationally, but the CC stores in our area filed Chapter 11 or 13 last year. Both of them are boarded up… or were.

They now have a twice-weekly farmers’ market in the empty parking lot of the closed Circuit City here in Stockton, CA.

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