The PBS Nova show has a great new website for their ongoing series dealing with various aspects of Evolution.
Among other things to explore, an interactive map of the Galapagos Islands featuring Gigapan ultra-high definition scrolling panorama images.
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:23:08pm |
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:23:34pm |
Furthermore, the Chinese thought that they were the four symbolic pillars of the Universe.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:24:40pm |
Now remember, the turtle was created perfectly to eat bananas...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:24:54pm |
Guess the embryo is really tough.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:25:13pm |
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:26:35pm |
re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote
Now remember, the turtle was created perfectly to eat bananas...
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The poor sea turtles are dying from eating white plastic bags floating around in the middle of the ocean - which they mistake for jellyfish. It is a long, painful and lonely death for them.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:26:40pm |
re: #7 ryannon
Now why would you want to crunch a frog?
They tend to be crunchy after you bread 'em then drop them in the deep fryer.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:26:49pm |
For anyone that cares there's a really good diary dealing with refuting global cooling presently on the wrecklist over at DKos.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:27:24pm |
re: #8 ryannon
The poor sea turtles are dying from eating white plastic bags floating around in the middle of the ocean - which they mistake for jellyfish. It is a long, painful and lonely death for them.
Don't even get me started on the Trash zone the size of Texas (no exaggeration) in the Pacific.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:27:41pm |
re: #9 NJDhockeyfan
They tend to be crunchy after you bread 'em then drop them in the deep fryer.
I've had some excellent frog's legs in Indonesia, but never the whole critter...
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:29:23pm |
re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote
Don't even get me started on the Trash zone the size of Texas (no exaggeration) in the Pacific.
Yes, I've recently seen references to that: millions of tons of plastic detritus in suspension out in the middle of the oceanic nowhere.
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:32:33pm |
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:33:48pm |
It's both strange and nice having one's very own thread to post in. Sort of like those kids who were always alone in the playground in grammar school. No one wanted to get close. They probably experienced a mixture of regret and relief. It's always tough being strange...
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:34:46pm |
re: #7 ryannon
Now why would you want to crunch a frog?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:35:13pm |
re: #8 ryannon
The poor sea turtles are dying from eating white plastic bags floating around in the middle of the ocean - which they mistake for jellyfish. It is a long, painful and lonely death for them.
I guess noone ever accused them of being picky.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:35:42pm |
re: #14 swamprat
Cool. Have you ever looked one in the eye and shot it?
Did you eat what you shot?
Would you join Ms. Palin on a helicopter wolf hunt?
Whatever gets you through the night, of course.
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:37:22pm |
re: #18 ryannon
I have done that to a hog or two.
not fun... but was tasty
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:41:24pm |
re: #18 ryannon
The worst was when the nice euro-family gave me the "honor" of eating the boiled blood. You really can't turn it down (very bad form!) and you can taste it again and again in about 20 minute waves (I'm not kidding ) and some of those people like to frighten the poor pig before they kill it because they like the flavor...Wasn't fun.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:41:25pm |
re: #17 Spare O'Lake
I guess noone ever accused them of being picky.
They can't differentiate between the ondulating white plastic and jellyfish. Personally, that brings me no joy at all. These animals are the canaries in the coal mine. The same thing is happening on a hormonal level in human beings. As without, so within.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:43:19pm |
re: #20 swamprat
The worst was when the nice euro-family gave me the "honor" of eating the boiled blood. You really can't turn it down (very bad form!) and you can taste it again and again in about 20 minute waves (I'm not kidding ) and some of those people like to frighten the poor pig before they kill it because they like the flavor...Wasn't fun.
Was this like a bowl of freshly-boiled blood? Where the hell in Europe were you? Now, blood sausage is another thing...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:43:25pm |
Well, it was a long, tough day, but at least I get some reward. Ludwig's here and we've got a evolution thread. Bring on the trolls! I can't wait to hammer 'em!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:44:44pm |
re: #23 Dark_Falcon
Well, it was a long, tough day, but at least I get some reward. Ludwig's here and we've got a evolution thread. Bring on the trolls! I can't wait to hammer 'em!
I exist to serve :) Good to see you too buddy.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:45:26pm |
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:45:28pm |
re: #21 ryannon
Is anyone doing anything about it?
We have some plastics consuming bacteria, but I don't know how they fare in the briny.
Seriously, is there even a U.N. study?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:46:02pm |
re: #23 Dark_Falcon
Though I doubt we are going to see many ID trolls anymore. They seem to have mostly flounced. I honestly can't say that I miss them, but I am always pleased at any science thread.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:46:25pm |
Anyway, it's a hard world for little things...re: #26 swamprat
Is anyone doing anything about it?
We have some plastics consuming bacteria, but I don't know how they fare in the briny.
Seriously, is there even a U.N. study?
The U.N. is too busy studying the IDF.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:46:47pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:47:28pm |
re: #21 ryannon
They can't differentiate between the ondulating white plastic and jellyfish. Personally, that brings me no joy at all. These animals are the canaries in the coal mine. The same thing is happening on a hormonal level in human beings. As without, so within.
No joy? Why yes, by Jove I think you've got it...hormonal!
In case of accidents he always took his mom.
(If you listen for Yoko's dulcet tones you too may want to shoot to kill.)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:47:57pm |
re: #26 swamprat
Is anyone doing anything about it?
We have some plastics consuming bacteria, but I don't know how they fare in the briny.
Seriously, is there even a U.N. study?
The answer is no. No one is doing a damn thing. Many many scientists have recorded it, It is killing huge amounts of marine life and no one gives a damn.
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Existential_Donuts Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:47:59pm |
One of the things that is frustrating when dealing with religious people is the fact that they have been painted into a corner by their dogma. There is plenty of room for god in science and evolution (it's conceivable that an intelligent force goes around seeding planets for life). But their dogma demands absolute belief in things that are demonstrably false. The age of the planet being the most obvious.
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cliffster Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:47:59pm |
re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote
I exist to serve :) Good to see you too buddy.
Ludwig thinks all music sucks these days. I think he's not giving credit where credit's due, but maybe I'm just not well-versed enough in the 40's, 50's, and 60's decades that Ludwig cited...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:48:47pm |
re: #33 cliffster
Ludwig thinks all music sucks these days. I think he's not giving credit where credit's due, but maybe I'm just not well-versed enough in the 40's, 50's, and 60's decades that Ludwig cited...
I didn't say that all music sucks these day... but if you wish to throw a tizzy over thinking that, don't let me stop you.
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:49:17pm |
re: #22 ryannon
They took it. They came back with this huge bowl of clot and presented it quite proudly. They cut the poor beasts' throat, and that does not always work out well. I knew the butcher personally and he felt bad. I was in the Azores.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:50:19pm |
re: #18 ryannon
Cool. Have you ever looked one in the eye and shot it?
yes
Did you eat what you shot?
yes
Would you join Ms. Palin on a helicopter wolf hunt?
I've gone deer hunting with relatives a couple times as well as shot smaller critters, but always ate what we shot unless it was vermin like critters. Man's gotta cull the herd or they will just starve to death.
Wolf hunting from a helicopter and leaving the corpses to rot is is something else entirely. It's not sporting and it's not in line with any conservation ethic.
Comparing the two is unfair.
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cliffster Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:50:26pm |
re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote
I didn't say that all music sucks these day... but if you wish to throw a tizzy over thinking that, don't let me stop you.
A tizzy? Is that a thing?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:50:27pm |
re: #20 swamprat
The worst was when the nice euro-family gave me the "honor" of eating the boiled blood. You really can't turn it down (very bad form!) and you can taste it again and again in about 20 minute waves (I'm not kidding ) and some of those people like to frighten the poor pig before they kill it because they like the flavor...Wasn't fun.
Please excuse me while I wretch...
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:51:10pm |
re: #35 swamprat
They took it. They came back with this huge bowl of clot and presented it quite proudly. They cut the poor beasts' throat, and that does not always work out well. I knew the butcher personally and he felt bad. I was in the Azores.
Hmmm.
Could be why it's not exactly among the top ten holiday destinations.
So did you chug it down?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:52:55pm |
re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote
I kinda miss having some trolls to watch get whacked...
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:53:52pm |
re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote
The answer is no. No one is doing a damn thing. Many many scientists have recorded it, It is killing huge amounts of marine life and no one gives a damn.
Aren't all the oceans together one vast series of garbage dumps? Why such a concentration in that particular part of the Pacific - is it the El Nimby?
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:54:04pm |
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:54:21pm |
re: #36 Conservative Moonbat
I've gone deer hunting with relatives a couple times as well as shot smaller critters, but always ate what we shot unless it was vermin like critters. Man's gotta cull the herd or they will just starve to death.
Wolf hunting from a helicopter and leaving the corpses to rot is is something else entirely. It's not sporting and it's not in line with any conservation ethic.
Comparing the two is unfair.
I'm notoriously unfair. And not a clear thinker at all.
When I hear things like, "Man's gotta cull the herd or they will just starve to death." the first thing I think of is the human race.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:54:28pm |
re: #32 Existential_Donuts
...There is plenty of room for god in science and evolution>>>
No there is not.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:55:26pm |
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:55:40pm |
re: #41 Spare O'Lake
Aren't all the oceans together one vast series of garbage dumps? Why such a concentration in that particular part of the Pacific - is it the El Nimby?
There are these enormous (often EU country-sized) zones in all the oceans and seas at present.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:56:20pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:56:30pm |
re: #36 Conservative Moonbat
I've gone deer hunting with relatives a couple times as well as shot smaller critters, but always ate what we shot unless it was vermin like critters. Man's gotta cull the herd or they will just starve to death.
Wolf hunting from a helicopter and leaving the corpses to rot is is something else entirely. It's not sporting and it's not in line with any conservation ethic.
Comparing the two is unfair.
Pardon my ignorance but isn't that the most efficient way to carry out a necessary cull?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:56:57pm |
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cliffster Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:57:04pm |
re: #44 Walter L. Newton
No there is not.
Go Walter, argue with the weird, disconnected, pre-canned post. I bet you win!
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:57:17pm |
re: #18 ryannon
Cool. Have you ever looked one in the eye and shot it?
Did you eat what you shot?
Would you join Ms. Palin on a helicopter wolf hunt?
Whatever gets you through the night, of course.
My Father In Law always looked them in the eye. He did this to get the right shot. He was very careful about killing his pigs when he put them down.
Ryannon, I have never hunted, but I have owned pets. If you ever let an herbivore die of natural causes you may change how you feel about hunting.
The wolf and the hunter are often a kindness.
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Existential_Donuts Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:57:26pm |
re: #44 Walter L. Newton
My point exactly. There is no room because the dogma is too tight.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:58:21pm |
re: #42 Mich-again
Are you stealing a line from the Zombie Kid?
He sort of looks like Bart Simpson with a hangover.
Actually, I never heard of the Zombie Kid before.
But I lead a severely culturally-deprived life.
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:59:26pm |
re: #39 ryannon
Hmmm.
Could be why it's not exactly among the top ten holiday destinations.
So did you chug it down?
Tiny bite. I mean tiny. They watched. After I had some they got into it. I had to go first.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:01:24pm |
re: #52 Existential_Donuts
My point exactly. There is no room because the dogma is too tight.
What's the "dogma" based on? What is the foundational material from whence the "dogma" is formed?
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:01:40pm |
re: #51 swamprat
My Father In Law always looked them in the eye. He did this to get the right shot. He was very careful about killing his pigs when he put them down.
Ryannon, I have never hunted, but I have owned pets. If you ever let an herbivore die of natural causes you may change how you feel about hunting.
The wolf and the hunter are often a kindness.
That's what they say, and for all I know, they may be right. On the other hand, I've seen hunts that had no business taking place. It's not always Mother Nature's Helping Hand...
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:03:09pm |
re: #54 ryannon
Actually, I never heard of the Zombie Kid before.
One of the all-time most famous web characters. Up there with Star Wars Kid and Charlie the Unicorn
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wee fury Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:03:34pm |
Wisconsin deer killed by vehicles in 2008 were 31,951.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:03:40pm |
CAPE ROYDS, Antarctica — This spit of black volcanic rock that juts out along the coast of Antarctica is an inhospitable place. Temperatures drop below –50 Fahrenheit and high winds cause blinding snowstorms. The only neighbors are a colony of penguins that squawk incessantly and leave a pungent scent in their wake.
But if you happen upon the small wooden hut that sits at Cape Royds and wriggled yourself underneath, you'd find a surprise stashed in the foot and a half of space beneath the floorboards. Tucked in the shadows and frozen to the ground are two cases of Scotch whisky left behind 100 years ago by Sir Ernest Shackleton after a failed attempt at the South Pole.
Conservators discovered the wooden cases in January 2006. They were unable to dislodge the crates, but are going in with special tools in January during the Antarctic summer to try to retrieve them. An international treaty dictates that the crates, and any intact bottles that are inside, remain in Antarctica unless they need to be taken off the continent for conservation reasons. The whisky's condition after a century of freezing and thawing is unknown.
(snip)
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:04:37pm |
Once we were bugs,
but now we are people.
Goodnight.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:05:09pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:05:38pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Ok, that it an EXCELLENT garden.
I aspire to one of those!
(Without the music...)
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:06:00pm |
re: #58 Mich-again
One of the all-time most famous web characters. Up there with Star Wars Kid and Charlie the Unicorn
I will check them out on YouTube.
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:06:21pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:06:40pm |
re: #63 ryannon
They are culling the deer near here, if the initial hunt doesn't get enough, they will open it up for bow hunting.
[Link: www.kmbc.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:06:48pm |
re: #61 Mich-again
Anything for Scotch...
I wonder if the arctic weather affected the taste. I volunteer to help the scientists find out.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:08:02pm |
re: #62 Ojoe
Once we were bugs,
but now we are people.Goodnight.
And don't forget: we are all made of stars.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:09:04pm |
re: #50 cliffster
Go Walter, argue with the weird, disconnected, pre-canned post. I bet you win!
I guess you were right. He must have ran away.
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:09:10pm |
re: #57 ryannon
If predators, including hunters, do not thin the deer herd by taking out some, then all the deer suffer during the winter because there will not be enough for them to eat, and some will starve anyway, especially in a severe winter.
Poor little bambies.
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Existential_Donuts Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:09:15pm |
re: #56 Walter L. Newton
With my understanding of religion, it seems like the dogma develops as time passes and the societies develop. People take the previous information, process it through the filters of their own lives and unique perspectives then pass it on and on.
That process worked fine until the scientific method was adopted. People began to understand the processes around them were natural and repeatable. There became a clear difference between what the religious leaders were saying and what was being borne out by research.
My point is that a rational faith system would work a lot better than the completely irrational one that exists now. Why is "God created evolution" such a hard concept to grasp?
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cliffster Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:09:38pm |
I'd love to stay here and watch Walter's beat-down of this existential robot, but I have to go to bed. Night all...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:09:58pm |
re: #72 Existential_Donuts
With my understanding of religion, it seems like the dogma develops as time passes and the societies develop. People take the previous information, process it through the filters of their own lives and unique perspectives then pass it on and on.
That process worked fine until the scientific method was adopted. People began to understand the processes around them were natural and repeatable. There became a clear difference between what the religious leaders were saying and what was being borne out by research.
My point is that a rational faith system would work a lot better than the completely irrational one that exists now. Why is "God created evolution" such a hard concept to grasp?
Because G-d doesn't exist. Next question.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:11:13pm |
re: #71 Ojoe
If predators, including hunters, do not thin the deer herd by taking out some, then all the deer suffer during the winter because there will not be enough for them to eat, and some will starve anyway, especially in a severe winter.
Poor little bambies.
That's what they say, Joe...that's what they say.
Has anyone asked the deer?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:11:29pm |
re: #32 Existential_Donuts
One of the things that is frustrating when dealing with religious people is the fact that they have been painted into a corner by their dogma. There is plenty of room for god in science and evolution (it's conceivable that an intelligent force goes around seeding planets for life). But their dogma demands absolute belief in things that are demonstrably false. The age of the planet being the most obvious.
A tolerant believer might turn around your formulation by positing that there is plenty of room for science and evolution in God.
As for me, I would rather say "Look what they've done to my dog, ma."
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wee fury Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:11:56pm |
re: #67 Thanos
They are culling the deer near here, if the initial hunt doesn't get enough, they will open it up for bow hunting.
[Link: www.kmbc.com...]
Minnesota has an annual bow hunt at Ft. Snelling National Cemetery to decrease the deer population. Before you are accepted as a hunter (limited slots) the hunter must complete an accuracy test -- a qualified hunter should be able to take the deer down in one clean shot.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:11:58pm |
re: #72 Existential_Donuts
With my understanding of religion, it seems like the dogma develops as time passes and the societies develop. People take the previous information, process it through the filters of their own lives and unique perspectives then pass it on and on.
That process worked fine until the scientific method was adopted. People began to understand the processes around them were natural and repeatable. There became a clear difference between what the religious leaders were saying and what was being borne out by research.
My point is that a rational faith system would work a lot better than the completely irrational one that exists now. Why is "God created evolution" such a hard concept to grasp?
Quite Concur, but I'd suggest ending this discussion. Walter has his opinion and you won't change it. On the matter of God, it's best to just let him be.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:12:23pm |
re: #73 cliffster
I'd love to stay here and watch Walter's beat-down of this existential robot, but I have to go to bed. Night all...
I may be going to bed myself. It's 29 degrees, getting a little chilly in the house and I have a full bed electric blanket waiting for me.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:12:53pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:13:19pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur, but I'd suggest ending this discussion. Walter has his opinion and you won't change it. On the matter of God, it's best to just let him be.
Gee, I'm getting quite a reputation after, what, 6 years here?
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recusancy Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:16:22pm |
re: #82 NJDhockeyfan
What about UFOs?
Jumped the shark when they started vying for reality tv shows.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:16:26pm |
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cliffster Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:16:29pm |
re: #74 Walter L. Newton
Because G-d doesn't exist. Next question.
Actually, he does. But I still have my money on you over 5-comment guy.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:16:32pm |
re: #82 NJDhockeyfan
What about UFOs?
Depends on what you mean. Alien intelligence controlled flying vehicles or unidentified object in the sky?
And I was a Ufologist for many years, back in the 70's. Even had a monthly radio show on a 50 thousand watt station in Dallas. I haven't found even the slightest scientific proof for the alien intelligence controlled flying vehicles.
I've seen a lot of unidentified objects in the sky?
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Ojoe Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:17:09pm |
Noi siamo umane.
Loro sono le bestiae.
We are humans
They are beasts.
An old Italian told me this.
Now goodnight again probably really.
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cliffster Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:17:27pm |
re: #73 cliffster
I'd love to stay here and watch Walter's beat-down of this existential robot, but I have to go to bed. Night all...
Oh, and Ludwig, I'm with you, they aren't making music like they used to. Too much money and too many cookie-cutters. Still enjoying what they're coming up with though. G'night
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:17:58pm |
re: #91 Ojoe
Noi siamo umane.
Loro sono le bestiae.We are humans
They are beasts.An old Italian told me this.
Now goodnight again probably really.
Faith is a luxury, no one really needs it. I told you that.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:18:18pm |
re: #90 Walter L. Newton
Depends on what you mean. Alien intelligence controlled flying vehicles or unidentified object in the sky?
And I was a Ufologist for many years, back in the 70's. Even had a monthly radio show on a 50 thousand watt station in Dallas. I haven't found even the slightest scientific proof for the alien intelligence controlled flying vehicles.
I've seen a lot of unidentified objects in the sky?
We may soon have more proof.
Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent
An official announcement by the Obama administration disclosing the reality of extraterrestrial life is imminent. For several months, senior administration officials have been quietly deliberating behind closed doors how much to disclose to the world about extraterrestrial life. Dissatisfaction among powerful institutions such as the U.S. Navy over the decades-long secrecy policy has given a boost to efforts to disclose the reality of extraterrestrial life and technology.
The impending disclosure announcement follows upon the secret implementation of a year long openness policy on UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Over the period February 12-14, 2008, the United Nations held closed doors discussions where approximately 30 nations secretly agreed on a new openness policy on UFOs and extraterrestrial life in 2009. The openness policy was implemented but never publicly announced due to threats against UN diplomats not to disclose details of the secret agreement. h The secret UN agreement was based on two conditions. First, UFOs would continue to appear around the world; and second, the openness policy would not lead to social unrest in liberal democracies. Both conditions have been satisfied making it possible for the next stage to begin – official disclosure of extraterrestrial life.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:20:54pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:21:24pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
Michael Salla is junk science, period. Can't these UFO people ever come up with some new nuts.
I'm going to be.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:22:16pm |
re: #96 Walter L. Newton
Michael Salla is junk science, period. Can't these UFO people ever come up with some new nuts.
I'm going to be.
Er, that sounded really existential. I meant I'm going to bed.
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:22:26pm |
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Existential_Donuts Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:22:32pm |
re: #89 cliffster
re: #89 cliffster
Actually, he does. But I still have my money on you over 5-comment guy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to change anyone's mind. I assume that everyone in here can back up their views. I can. This forum seems to be the place for serious discussion and not necessarily the high school cafeteria feel of some boards.
This makes 6 comments now, how many before I can eat at the cool kids table?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:22:41pm |
re: #91 Ojoe
Noi siamo umane.
Loro sono le bestiae.We are humans
They are beasts.An old Italian told me this.
Now goodnight again probably really.
Please leave my in-laws out of this.
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:22:49pm |
re: #74 Walter L. Newton
Because G-d doesn't exist. Next question.
He just wants you to think that.
I take the reverse of Pascals' Wager;
If God (whom i personally view as real) is so small minded as to demand a belief in his omnipowerful self...Well if he is that limited and small minded we are sunk anyway. I believe in a god that loves all people and doesn't mind if we are blind to his presence or if we lack the exact knowledge of what ever religion is claiming exclusivity. I think that if gods exist he knows just how frail and pigheaded, and stupid and greedy and selfish we can be. And he knows how loving and honest and generous we can be. A god that would make such a creature would have to give such a creature a little slack.
The reverse of Pascals' Wager;
If he exists he loves us anyway, no matter what we believe.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:23:16pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:24:30pm |
re: #101 swamprat
How do you know about G-d?
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:24:43pm |
re: #77 ryannon
That's what they say, Joe...that's what they say.
Has anyone asked the deer?
For any creature, which is more humane, a death that takes weeks or a death that takes a few minutes?
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Existential_Donuts Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:25:10pm |
re: #101 swamprat
Very well stated. I think when dealing with topics for which no one has objective proof, the ability to recognize all sides can only be beneficial.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:25:33pm |
re: #99 Existential_Donuts
re: #89 cliffster
Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to change anyone's mind. I assume that everyone in here can back up their views. I can. This forum seems to be the place for serious discussion and not necessarily the high school cafeteria feel of some boards.
This makes 6 comments now, how many before I can eat at the cool kids table?
It takes 50 comment before you can rate posts. That's when you get to sit at the cool kids table. But I'll still sit with you, and I'll upding you to welcome you to LGF.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:25:41pm |
re: #86 NJDhockeyfan
WOW...I just passed 9000 comments.
I didn't comment for a couple days just recently just to keep my post count at 666.
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:25:49pm |
re: #95 NJDhockeyfan
Is that Sir Ernest Shackleton's ship?
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]
To the left you can see their ship, The Endurance, trapped in pack ice at night. The photograph was taken by Frank Hurley, and in another
sixfive years it will be 100 years old. This post is mostly about this photo, please click on it and enlarge it. Then imagine yourself there, thousands of miles from anywhere in 1915 while the First World War was on with no one coming to rescue you.Then be happy, happy that you are warm, happy for whatever you have, and for whoever you can hold. Think of the ship next time you flip on a light, or open the fridge, or turn on the TV, and you will know joy.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:26:21pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
You ARE pulling our leg, right? You don't believe it~!
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Existential_Donuts Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:26:58pm |
re: #106 Dark_Falcon
I will pretend to know what 'upding' is and just say thank you.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:27:00pm |
re: #99 Existential_Donuts
re: #89 cliffster
Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to change anyone's mind. I assume that everyone in here can back up their views. I can. This forum seems to be the place for serious discussion and not necessarily the high school cafeteria feel of some boards.This makes 6 comments now, how many before I can eat at the cool kids table?
Well, it's 50 comments before you get to ding.
The cool kids table?
I don't know.
That's a question above my pay grade here.
INCLUDING Zionist checks!
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:27:56pm |
re: #109 lostlakehiker
You ARE pulling our leg, right? You don't believe it~!
They let anyone post whatever in their blogs. Check out the author's tag.
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:28:28pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:28:47pm |
re: #112 Thanos
They let anyone post whatever in their blogs. Check out the author's tag.
Please, Salla has been predicting this sort of poop for years, just another one of the seminar UFO nuts.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:28:51pm |
re: #109 lostlakehiker
You ARE pulling our leg, right? You don't believe it~!
Heh. Of course not.
(But just in case keep your cats safe.)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:29:49pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:30:46pm |
re: #114 Walter L. Newton
Please, Salla has been predicting this sort of poop for years, just another one of the seminar UFO nuts.
Who are we to judge an expert in exopolitics Walter?
// :)
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cliffster Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:31:44pm |
re: #110 Existential_Donuts
I will pretend to know what 'upding' is and just say thank you.
All right, I give. Something about your first couple of posts seemed like a bing.com commercial, but you've broken out of that so I'll join the others in updinging you in welcome, and hoping you're a good new LGF companion.
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:31:53pm |
re: #104 Conservative Moonbat
For any creature, which is more humane, a death that takes weeks or a death that takes a few minutes?
Personally, I don't know what the hell is going to happen to me in the next five minutes. There are probabilities, but never certainties.
Anyone who pretends to understand nature would also have to admit that such outcomes (slow death over weeks) are far from being certain. Now, if you start introducing variables such as lack of sustenance, severe illness and so on, the justification for a mercy killing becomes stronger.
But my question is, why limit it to animals?
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:31:54pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:31:57pm |
re: #114 Walter L. Newton
Please, Salla has been predicting this sort of poop for years, just another one of the seminar UFO nuts.
You know, maybe I need to drink the kool aid. I mean, it seems like you can make a lot more money believing in G-d, and talking about him, or believing in UFO's and lecturing on them, or getting involved in all sorts of pseudo-sciences.
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:33:02pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
You know, maybe I need to drink the kool aid. I mean, it seems like you can make a lot more money believing in G-d, and talking about him, or believing in UFO's and lecturing on them, or getting involved in all sorts of pseudo-sciences.
Berlitz made a killing off an imaginary triangle near Bermuda...
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Existential_Donuts Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:33:07pm |
re: #113 swamprat
Now THAT is interesting. Being cynically atheist, I have very little pulling me in the other direction. What was untenable?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:35:07pm |
re: #122 Thanos
Berlitz made a killing off an imaginary triangle near Bermuda...
Someone is making a killing on 2012 right now.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:35:27pm |
re: #122 Thanos
Berlitz made a killing off an imaginary triangle near Bermuda...
And as I mentioned above, I was an armchair professional in all that stuff back in the 70's, including writing articles for a number of "Fortean" styled magazines and having a monthly radio show in Dallas.
I never took the plunge though, always played the part of the sceptic. Hell, I missed the boat, didn't I? I should have donned the old foolscap and trotted off to make my fortune.
Nah, I feel better this way.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:36:06pm |
re: #119 ryannon
But my question is, why limit it to animals?
The discussion of human population control has come up a few times here over the past week. I favor government subsidies for all forms of birth control and even that didn't go over well. Good luck with the Logan's Run idea.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:36:25pm |
re: #125 Walter L. Newton
And as I mentioned above, I was an armchair professional in all that stuff back in the 70's, including writing articles for a number of "Fortean" styled magazines and having a monthly radio show in Dallas.
I never took the plunge though, always played the part of the sceptic. Hell, I missed the boat, didn't I? I should have donned the old foolscap and trotted off to make my fortune.
Nah, I feel better this way.
You could've been hosting Coat to Coast right now.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:36:56pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:37:29pm |
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swamprat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:38:09pm |
re: #116 Walter L. Newton
Walter, I can go to the store for you, but I cannot eat for you. I did a lot of research. The math finally got to me. Life has no need struggle and evolve. It just does. We exist in a world that should have never had life in the first place. We are composed of frozen light. We are ridiculous. This whole thing is silly. We argue and reason and create art and babies. And we just
I can't do it Walter. The journey is yours. Take it where you will. And if that makes me a Buddhist, fine.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:39:48pm |
re: #130 swamprat
Walter, I can go to the store for you, but I cannot eat for you. I did a lot of research. The math finally got to me. Life has no need struggle and evolve. It just does. We exist in a world that should have never had life in the first place. We are composed of frozen light. We are ridiculous. This whole thing is silly. We argue and reason and create art and babies. And we justI can't do it Walter. The journey is yours. Take it where you will. And if that makes me a Buddhist, fine.
I already have. And when you are finished, I'll welcome you home too!
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:40:26pm |
re: #127 NJDhockeyfan
You could've been hosting Coat to Coast right now.
Why go small time? You could be Benny Hinn
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:40:33pm |
Really, this time, to bed... night all...
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:41:06pm |
re: #126 Conservative Moonbat
The discussion of human population control has come up a few times here over the past week. I favor government subsidies for all forms of birth control and even that didn't go over well. Good luck with the Logan's Run idea.
I've no problem with birth control, planned parenthood, pulling the plug on life-support machines when it becomes useless to continue, and so on.
My rhetorical question was much more radical - and much more sinister.
Just venting a little spleen.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:41:36pm |
re: #133 Walter L. Newton
Really, this time, to bed... night all...
Me too. When I start seeing videos of Benny Hinn on LGF I know it's time to turn in.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:46:45pm |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
I already have. And when you are finished, I'll welcome you home too!
Must be nice to have it all figured out.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:49:32pm |
re: #90 Walter L. Newton
Depends on what you mean. Alien intelligence controlled flying vehicles or unidentified object in the sky?
And I was a Ufologist for many years, back in the 70's. Even had a monthly radio show on a 50 thousand watt station in Dallas. I haven't found even the slightest scientific proof for the alien intelligence controlled flying vehicles.
I've seen a lot of unidentified objects in the sky?
On that note, I will share with you my favorite rock song about flying saucers, and say goodnight.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:50:14pm |
re: #138 Spare O'Lake
Must be nice to have it all figured out.
That statement is a two-way street. ;)
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ryannon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:51:05pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:53:57pm |
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Dreader1962 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 9:55:13pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
You know, maybe I need to drink the kool aid. I mean, it seems like you can make a lot more money believing in G-d, and talking about him, or believing in UFO's and lecturing on them, or getting involved in all sorts of pseudo-sciences.
P.T. Barnum had a saying about that, didn't he?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:01:33pm |
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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:09:09pm |
OT:
Just spent five mortal hours (alert! alert! name that James Joyce reference!) at the ER getting the diagnosis I gave myself before I went in - and a $6 antibiotic. They did a totally unnecessary sonogram on the wrong part of my body (because my insurance will pay for it) and made me wait overtime for the prescription (because I asked too many pesky questions).
Total cost to me: $100 copay + drug. Total cost: whatever the hospital charges. With medically unnecessary, wrong-body-part sonogram, maybe $1,000.
I'm sure once we pass a bill, everything will be better...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:13:56pm |
re: #145 Cato the Elder
OT:
Just spent five mortal hours (alert! alert! name that James Joyce reference!) at the ER getting the diagnosis I gave myself before I went in - and a $6 antibiotic. They did a totally unnecessary sonogram on the wrong part of my body (because my insurance will pay for it) and made me wait overtime for the prescription (because I asked too many pesky questions).
Total cost to me: $100 copay + drug. Total cost: whatever the hospital charges. With medically unnecessary, wrong-body-part sonogram, maybe $1,000.
I'm sure once we pass a bill, everything will be better...
It's a dysfunctional system, that's for sure. And while I don't think Obamacare is the answer, I agree that something has to be done.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:19:53pm |
OT: Apologies if this has been posted.
The Anne Frank museum has uploaded the only existing video footage of Anne Frank. It's on youtube. About 21 seconds of her leaning out of a window.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:22:17pm |
re: #147 iceweasel
OT: Apologies if this has been posted.
The Anne Frank museum has uploaded the only existing video footage of Anne Frank. It's on youtube. About 21 seconds of her leaning out of a window.
Upding. Footage like that is important. The know why evil must be fought, we must remember what it will destroy if it is not defeated.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:24:20pm |
re: #148 Dark_Falcon
Upding. Footage like that is important. The know why evil must be fought, we must remember what it will destroy if it is not defeated.
I was thinking how everything in that footage represents a vanished world. After I posted it I thought, well, it doesn't really matter in this instance if it's already been posted, because it's something that can't be seen enough.
Thanks, DF.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:26:34pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
It's a dysfunctional system, that's for sure. And while I don't think Obamacare is the answer, I agree that something has to be done.
Yeah, well, I have my doubts about Obamacare, obviously, which should really be called Baucuscare at this point.
By the way one thing I've noticed about ER docs is nobody actually palpates anything anymore.
You know: "Does this hurt? Does this hurt?"
No. They put on gloves but never touch the affected part. Instead they ask you if you have pain. Well, yeah, maybe, if you touch me and ask.
One of the cardinal symptoms of my complaint (a kind of skin infection subsequent to previous injury) is excessive heat in the affected limb. Feel both opposing limbs; if one is hotter, it's a major signal. I had to report that symptom myself, because two doctors and a nurse never bothered to feel for themselves. So we've got two docs LOOKING at the damn thing and wondering WTF it is while a simple touch would have settled the issue. As I said, I diagnosed myself before I went in, and I was right.
God forbid you should touch a patient and thereby avoid an expensive sonogram.
My old country doctor grandfather spins in his grave.
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Bagua Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:27:40pm |
re: #147 iceweasel
Worthy of re-posting, haunting view of a world destroyed.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:32:42pm |
re: #151 Bagua
Worthy of re-posting, haunting view of a world destroyed.
I'm glad they put it on YouTube. I'd like to go to the Anne Frank museum in Amsterdam one day, but it's better to have as much of their exhibits available to as many people as possible.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:52:38pm |
re: #147 iceweasel
OT: Apologies if this has been posted.
The Anne Frank museum has uploaded the only existing video footage of Anne Frank. It's on youtube. About 21 seconds of her leaning out of a window.
[Video]
It's a pretty amazing bit of footage. I saw it a couple weeks ago.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:54:06pm |
I'm presently being pressured to join both facebook and twitter. Which would be the least wast of my time. I still post on usenet and am slow to adopt new technologies.
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SixDegrees Tue, Oct 27, 2009 1:54:28am |
re: #145 Cato the Elder
OT:
Just spent five mortal hours (alert! alert! name that James Joyce reference!) at the ER getting the diagnosis I gave myself before I went in - and a $6 antibiotic. They did a totally unnecessary sonogram on the wrong part of my body (because my insurance will pay for it) and made me wait overtime for the prescription (because I asked too many pesky questions).
Total cost to me: $100 copay + drug. Total cost: whatever the hospital charges. With medically unnecessary, wrong-body-part sonogram, maybe $1,000.
I'm sure once we pass a bill, everything will be better...
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