Anti-Abortion Activists Sell Extremist Items to Defend Scott Roeder

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The more extreme anti-choice activists give themselves permission to do almost anything in the name of God. The latest example — an eBay auction of memorabilia from the violent fringe: Online auction to raise funds in Scott Roeder case.

An Army of God manual. A prison cookbook compiled by a woman doing time for abortion clinic bombings and arsons. An autographed bullhorn.

These are among the items that abortion foes plan to auction on eBay and other Web sites in a fundraiser for Scott Roeder, the Kansas City man charged with killing Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller.

“This is unique,” said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activist who will sign the bullhorn. “Nobody’s ever done this before. The goal is that everybody makes money for Scott Roeder’s defense.” …

Among items that will go on the auction block, Dinwiddie said, are three drawings she received in the mail Wednesday from Roeder. Two drawings were done by another inmate at his direction, but Roeder autographed all of them.

“They’re wonderful pencil art drawings,” she said. “They were done in jail.”

One is a sketch of David and Goliath. “It has David with a slingshot in one hand and the head of Goliath in his other hand and the name ‘Tiller’ on Goliath’s forehead,” she said. “On the corpse on the ground, it says ‘child-murdering industry.’ ”

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173 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:18:49am

Oh dear goodness.

2 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:21:07am

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh dear goodness.

Goodness, to quote Mae West, has got nothing to do with it.

3 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:21:52am

Absolutely f**king disgusting, this is…

4 Liberally Conservative  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:22:06am

I wonder how much more successful these people would be in their goal of preventing abortions if they weren’t f*cking insane.

5 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:22:57am

Being “unique” doesn’t make it “good”.

6 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:23:38am
“I plan to cover up the offending eight pages of bomb recipes and instead insert a note saying that in order to avoid legal problems, we advise our bomb-loving friends to seek their bomb recipes in a U.S. Army Manual, which is approved by the Justice Department,” Leach said. “I will also enclose my April 1996 issue, which contains bomb-making excerpts from a declassified U.S. Army Manual widely available in Army surplus stores.”


Yeesh!

7 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:23:40am

I would certainly hope that all bidders and winners of these items are subject to some degree of scrutiny and monitoring; buying these things is an overtly political act in support of politically-motivated violence. They could donate in anonymity, but those who buy these things wish to be known for it.

I’m sure LE and similar types would benefit from knowing who these murderous SOB’s are.

8 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:24:41am

re: #4 Liberally Conservative

I wonder how much more successful these people would be in their goal of preventing abortions if they weren’t f*cking insane.

They don’t really care about just reducing or preventing abortions, it’s just a means to an end…these crazies are all about controlling others, then terrorizing them if they don’t comply with their “demands”.

Sounds eerily familiar, don’t it?

9 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:24:47am

This is the same kind of warped martyr thinking we see from hamas. Sick.

10 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:24:50am

How the fuck can one justify defending a murderer like Scott Roeder?

11 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:25:08am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Yeesh!

Yeah, I don’t really think many of my friends and supporters could be described as bomb-loving, current and former military personnel excluded, of course.

Nice buncha folks there.

12 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:25:13am

They’re praising and supporting a murderer. These people are scum. I had a run in with them once, as I was trying to get my daughter into seeing a doctor for an emergency. They are dangerously unhinged crackpots.

13 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:25:29am

re: #9 Sharmuta

This is the same kind of warped martyr thinking we see from hamas. Sick.

Similar mindset too.

14 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:25:46am

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

How the fuck can one justify defending a murderer like Scott Roeder?

See my comment above…

15 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:26:00am

Terrorist group and terrorists holding online auction to help defend terrorist.

In the USA.

What is wrong with this picture?

16 Liberally Conservative  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:27:01am

re: #8 talon_262

They don’t really care about just reducing or preventing abortions, it’s just a means to an end…these crazies are all about controlling others, then terrorizing them if they don’t comply with their “demands”.

Sounds eerily familiar, don’t it?

The leadership, sure. But the rank and file? I believe that the foot soldiers that donate and write on blogs and picket believe that what they are doing is “for the greater good”…which also sounds eerily familiar.

17 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:27:02am

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

How the fuck can one justify defending a murderer like Scott Roeder?

The same way people justify defending murderers like Hamas: We hate the people being killed, so therefore, it must be right.

18 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:27:55am

re: #8 talon_262

They don’t really care about just reducing or preventing abortions, it’s just a means to an end…these crazies are all about controlling others, then terrorizing them if they don’t comply with their “demands”.

Sounds eerily familiar, don’t it?

Sounds just like…

wait for it…

the Muslim Brotherhood.

19 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:28:13am

OT: Another GOP fail…
GOP Honors Tea Party Marchers — And Inflates Their Numbers

Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) and 75 other House Republicans have introduced a resolution “expressing gratitude and appreciation to the individuals and families who participated in the Taxpayer March on Washington on September 12, 2009” — and claiming that the Tea Party march drew many, many times more protesters than it actually did.

The resolution also says crowd estimates “range as high as 1,700,000 marchers” — an inflated number that Glenn Beck has advanced but that is 200,000 higher than the 1.5-million figure that march organizer FreedomWorks first claimed — and then later had to cut by half.

Among the resolution’s cosponsors are House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Rep. Joe “You Lie!” Wilson (R-SC).

Despite the inflated crowd estimates they are praising the extremists that are taking over the GOP and it’s going to cost them elections.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:28:28am

re: #17 thedopefishlives

The same way people justify defending murderers like Hamas: We hate the people being killed, so therefore, it must be right.

“And besides, the odds are so stacked against us that we should be allowed to do anything at all to even up the odds.”

21 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:28:31am

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

How the fuck can one justify defending a murderer like Scott Roeder?

By the Ends. They justify the means.

22 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:28:47am

re: #15 Gus 802

Terrorist group and terrorists holding online auction to help defend terrorist.

In the USA.

What is wrong with this picture?

The government hasn’t tried to assist funding this action.

/I’m halfheartedly saying this.

23 Baier  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:28:57am

Sick, sick, sick.

24 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:29:32am

re: #15 Gus 802

Terrorist group and terrorists holding online auction to help defend terrorist.

In the USA.

What is wrong with this picture?

Exactly right. If this were someone named Abdul the entire right wing blogosphere would be in full throat hysterical rant right now.

25 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #17 thedopefishlives

The same way people justify defending murderers like Hamas: We hate the people being killed, so therefore, it must be right.

Take it one step further, they believe the people they are killing are evil and deserve to die. And their fucked up view on religion gives them the belief that they are performing an act of good.

26 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

“And besides, the odds are so stacked against us that we should be allowed to do anything at all to even up the odds.”

“They’d do the same thing to us, if they could, and they will if we don’t do this now.”

27 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:31:16am

re: #24 Thanos

Exactly right. If this were someone named Abdul the entire right wing blogosphere would be in full throat hysterical rant right now.

True. I would probably add the Feds would also be on full bore. It would be a different thing all together if it had a “foreign” element.

28 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:31:38am

re: #16 Liberally Conservative

The leadership, sure. But the rank and file? I believe that the foot soldiers that donate and write on blogs and picket believe that what they are doing is “for the greater good”…which also sounds eerily familiar.

We’re talking about the most strident, most egregious “pro-lifers” there are…you better believe that pretty much all of those of this type is deeply committed to the “struggle”.

Scott Roeder could be considered to be part of the “rank-and-file” in this case, you know…

29 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:31:40am

Jesus wept.

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:32:05am

re: #27 Gus 802

True. I would probably add the Feds would also be on full bore. It would be a different thing all together if it had a “foreign” element.

I wish it had a foreign element. The idea that Americans are doing this chills me to no end.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #28 talon_262

He’s certainly not Osama bin Terry.

32 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:33:20am

re: #29 ausador

Jesus wept.

The Lord sees and knows, and waits. This is what I was always told, and sometimes it’s one of the few comforting things for me when I see evil like this.

33 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:33:59am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He’s certainly not Osama bin Terry.

Oddly enough (or maybe not) these groups have a lot in common.

34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:34:48am

re: #8 talon_262

They don’t really care about just reducing or preventing abortions, it’s just a means to an end…these crazies are all about controlling others, then terrorizing them if they don’t comply with their “demands”.

Sounds eerily familiar, don’t it?

And that’s something people forget, do you think these nut cases want to stop with just trying to end abortion? These are the same class and style of people who would happily put America under a Christian Sharia law and believe that they’re doing it for the greater good. as someone said upstream, if this was someone doing this under the name of Allah, we’d be up in arms, but because they’ve managed to twist things and justify it under the name of Jesus, people are just sitting on the sidelines twisting their hands, because really, if it’s done in the name of Jesus, it *must* be right, right?!

Fanatics are evil, no matter what religion they profess to follow.

35 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:34:51am
Dave Leach, an Iowa abortion opponent who is organizing the auction effort, said he was aiming for a Nov. 1 launch.

I am hoping that Ebay looks into this before it happens, the Army of God manual includes bomb making instructions to my understanding…

36 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:35:00am

I’ve got feeling that the afterlife these people have in store for themselves is not the one they’re expecting to find.

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:35:04am

Gonna git me some footsoldiers.

38 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:35:06am

re: #33 Gus 802

Oddly enough (or maybe not) these groups have a lot in common.

Far too much in common. Both want their version of Heaven on Earth, and are willing commit acts of violence to ensure that happens.

39 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:35:18am

Can they really make money this way? I thought there was some rule about the money a person made while in prison.

How are you-all this morning?

40 TedStriker  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:35:56am

re: #33 Gus 802

Oddly enough (or maybe not) these groups have a lot in common.

Exactly…twisting religious texts to fit their own megalomaniacal control freak fantasies, hurting and killing people in the process.

41 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:36:00am

re: #35 Thanos

I am hoping that Ebay looks into this before it happens, the Army of God manual includes bomb making instructions to my understanding…

I’m wondering if Ebay will tolerate this.

42 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:36:03am
“I plan to cover up the offending eight pages of bomb recipes and instead insert a note saying that in order to avoid legal problems, we advise our bomb-loving friends to seek their bomb recipes in a U.S. Army Manual, which is approved by the Justice Department,” Leach said.

Scumbag terrorist.

43 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:36:21am

Hopefully ebay will block the auction.

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:36:24am

re: #38 Honorary Yooper

Far too much in common. Both want their version of Heaven on Earth, and are willing to compel others to commit acts of violence to ensure that happens.

Little fix…

45 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:37:07am

re: #41 Gus 802

I’m wondering if Ebay will tolerate this.

EBay would not reveal whether eBay would permit the auction to launch.

“EBay does not allow listings that promote or glorify violence, hate, racial or religious intolerance, or items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity,” the company said in a statement.

46 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:37:13am

re: #43 Conservative Moonbat

Hopefully ebay will block the auction.

At the last minute hopefully, so these scumballs are left floundering.

47 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:37:14am

Once again, it’s not about the issue they espouse. It’s about POWER.

48 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:37:17am

Tea Party Loons (pic)

Protestors stand across the street as President Barack Obama’s motorcade arrives at a hotel for a Democratic fundraiser in Miami, Monday, Oct. 26, 2009.

49 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:37:53am

re: #25 bloodstar

Take it one step further, they believe the people they are killing are evil and deserve to die. And their fucked up view on religion gives them the belief that they are performing an act of good.

They and other fundamentalists also share a preoccupation with repressing female sexuality, and in the case of roeder, female sexuality is the driving force.

50 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:38:19am

re: #39 ggt

Can they really make money this way? I thought there was some rule about the money a person made while in prison.

How are you-all this morning?

Well, since Scott Roeder isn’t making money specifically off the crime, by selling the book rights, or any of the items used in the crime, it’s not specifically covered on the law. And that’s a good thing, after all, how could someone mount a defense if no one could raise money on behalf of someone, great examples are the innocence projects and other groups out there who are fighting on behalf of people they think are wrongly accused or convicted of a crime.

51 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:38:47am

re: #45 Thanos

I doubt they’ll allow it. That one person mentioned that the army manual is allowed by the Justice Department. However, Ebay has no compelling legal reason to allow any of this.

52 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:38:50am

re: #49 Sharmuta

They and other fundamentalists also share a preoccupation with repressing female sexuality, and in the case of roeder, POWER over female sexuality is the driving force.

FtFY

53 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:38:54am

Dave Leach is a scumbag terrorist

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

54 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:39:25am

re: #50 bloodstar

Well, since Scott Roeder isn’t making money specifically off the crime, by selling the book rights, or any of the items used in the crime, it’s not specifically covered on the law. And that’s a good thing, after all, how could someone mount a defense if no one could raise money on behalf of someone, great examples are the innocence projects and other groups out there who are fighting on behalf of people they think are wrongly accused or convicted of a crime.


Amost sounds like they are participating in a conspiracy, while in prison.

55 spoosmith  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:39:33am

Outlawing abortion would do nothing to stop it:

56 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #55 spoosmith

Outlawing abortion would do nothing to stop it:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

The only difference is that women will die and the “unborn” will still die.

57 mrmarble  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:40:26am

Sick.

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:40:47am

re: #55 spoosmith

You could probably trick me into clicking that if “MSNBC” wasn’t in the link…

59 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You could probably trick me into clicking that if “MSNBC” wasn’t in the link…

It’s a more fair and balanced crazy then the Fox fair and balanced crazy…

60 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:42:28am

re: #53 Thanos

Dave Leach is a scumbag terrorist

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

“Army of God”… something tells me that they’re not really speaking for God.

61 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #52 ggt

Thank you.

62 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:42:36am

re: #57 mrmarble

Sick.

Gotta disagree. Schizophrenia, mumps, and the flu are sicknesses - this is consciously chosen evil. Far worse.

63 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:42:43am

Its hard to think like this. Make no mistake about their mindset. They regard the killing of abortion doctors as we would the vigilante killing of a serial killer. As they see it it’s people in utero with the same rights as you and I.

64 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:43:04am

re: #60 MrSilverDragon

“Army of God”… something tells me that they’re not really speaking for God.

Why? does G-d need an army of humans?

(or a Starship?)

65 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:43:30am

re: #9 Sharmuta

re: #15 Gus 802

The groups may be similar, but not the societies they are found in.

Ours is a great society and has little tolerance for terrorism.

They are not the government, nor are they supported by the government or by mainstream society.

We put these animals in jail. We don’t name streets, parks and town squares after them.

These are not our heroes.

66 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:43:32am

re: #61 Sharmuta

Thank you.

anytime!

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:44:23am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Yeah. Not clicking Fox links either.

68 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:44:54am

re: #64 ggt

Why? does G-d need an army of humans?

(or a Starship?)

Because the tree frogs can’t read. (or fly)

/

69 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:44:54am

re: #64 ggt

Why? does G-d need an army of humans?

(or a Starship?)

G-d needs no army!

70 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:44:57am

re: #60 MrSilverDragon

“Army of God”… something tells me that they’re not really speaking for God.

Hey, is that a franchise or seomthing, ‘cause I hear they got that in Lebanon

71 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:45:41am

re: #69 Ben Hur

G-d needs no army!

“45 SMASH Pages of GOD”

Oh my.

72 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:45:59am

re: #70 Guanxi88

Hey, is that a franchise or seomthing, ‘cause I hear they got that in Lebanon

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

73 Liberally Conservative  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:45:59am

re: #70 Guanxi88

Hey, is that a franchise or seomthing, ‘cause I hear they got that in Lebanon

I see what you did there!

74 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:46:25am

re: #35 Thanos

If that’s the case, then eBay would have to can the bidding because of a violation of the TOS.

75 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:47:42am

re: #65 Ben Hur

I would agree with you that our society at large doesn’t glorify people like roeder- very true.

However, in the sub-culture of these types of militant fundamentalists- he is a hero- obviously, because they’re trying to raise funds for him. In that sense, they are similar. Especially in the area of repressing women. I can’t help but note the similarities, and reject both.

76 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:47:57am

re: #60 MrSilverDragon

“Army of God”… something tells me that they’re not really speaking for God.

Whenever someone with no military background what so ever decides his tital should be General, you know its probably a bad sign.

77 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:48:05am

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. Not clicking Fox links either.

I was kidding, I think you are old enough to decide that what you are reading or viewing is accurate or partisan spin… right?

That’s the problem, all political sides wants to make you think that you are incapable of making your own decisions, investigating what you are reading and viewing, and make you believe that only “THEY” are capable of inculcating correct information into your head.

And people fall for this all the time. I don’t care what anyone says is this sort of bias, or that sort of bias, or I shouldn’t read this or I shouldn’t read that, I fucking read and watch and listen to what I want and then I weigh up all the info and make decisions.

We still have the freedom to do that, you know?

78 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:48:16am

Here’s a snip on his background from 1996 from an abortion terror sympathetic page (they also like Pat Pukecanon) I won’t link it here, but it’s at the bottom of the wiki page above. Also note that political party doesn’t matter to this guy, just one single issue, he first ran as a D.

Dave Leach has long been a political activist; he ran three campaigns for state representative and has served on the county Central Committee of the Republican Party. He has operated his own cable TV show on which Capitol Hill guests have appeared. More recently, Mr. Leach had gained employment as a reporter with the local Ankena Today. But his publishing of the pamphlet, When it Hurts … Call the Army of God, drew a frenzied outcry from local TV 13:

[Female anchor] “Good evening. Some Central Iowans call David Leach a terrorist.”

[Ed. note: And some Central Iowans call some news anchors “infobabes” and “fagophiles.”]

The Des Moines Register (9 Feb.) responded with more integrity, even reprinting excerpts of the pamphlet. The publisher of Ankeny Today, Jonathan Narcisse, disgraced himself and journalism by firing Mr. Leach.

79 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:48:38am

re: #54 ggt

Amost sounds like they are participating in a conspiracy, while in prison.

I could kinda see that but it looks like the actual idea of an auction is legal, if repugnant. and I’d be loathe to suggest a solution, because it’d be difficult to tailor it in such a way that it doesn’t affect all the excellent work being done by other groups on behalf of people who may be deserving of the help.

Now if somehow they could link the groups doing this as having set Roeder up to commit the murder so they could profit off selling these items, then you would have a conspiracy, I just don’t think this is the case.

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:49:23am

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

Yep. And I am acting upon by that freedom by not clicking on those links!

81 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:49:24am

re: #79 bloodstar

Many things wrong are not illegal. This one just stinks to high heaven. Literally.

82 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:49:32am

re: #79 bloodstar

I could kinda see that but it looks like the actual idea of an auction is legal, if repugnant. and I’d be loathe to suggest a solution, because it’d be difficult to tailor it in such a way that it doesn’t affect all the excellent work being done by other groups on behalf of people who may be deserving of the help.

Now if somehow they could link the groups doing this as having set Roeder up to commit the murder so they could profit off selling these items, then you would have a conspiracy, I just don’t think this is the case.

Exactly - run the auction, and track the folk who bid and/or take delivery. They warrant watching.

83 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:49:35am

re: #75 Sharmuta

I would agree with you that our society at large doesn’t glorify people like roeder- very true.

However, in the sub-culture of these types of militant fundamentalists- he is a hero- obviously, because they’re trying to raise funds for him. In that sense, they are similar. Especially in the area of repressing women. I can’t help but note the similarities, and reject both.

In the psychotic need for power, they want to be G-d. Controlling the forces of creation is Power #1 —conception—women’s behavior. Controlling world order is a distant #2.

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:50:00am

re: #79 bloodstar

Be cool to bounce a bunch of checks into there.

85 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:50:05am

re: #75 Sharmuta

I would agree with you that our society at large doesn’t glorify people like roeder- very true.

However, in the sub-culture of these types of militant fundamentalists- he is a hero- obviously, because they’re trying to raise funds for him. In that sense, they are similar. Especially in the area of repressing women. I can’t help but note the similarities, and reject both.

As long as the stay a SUB-culture.

Otherwise, I agree with you about the similarities.

These are the people I mean when I say, “Talk to me when they start blowing up buildings…”

86 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:50:40am

gotta go

Have a great day all!

87 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:51:28am

re: #85 Ben Hur

As long as the stay a SUB-culture.

Otherwise, I agree with you about the similarities.

These are the people I mean when I say, “Talk to me when they start blowing up buildings…”

They have blown up building.

88 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:53:00am

Murderer’s Bake Sale. How quaint.

89 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:53:04am

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They have blown up building.


Was McVeigh from this kind of theocracy camp, etc?

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:54:41am

re: #89 Ben Hur

Was McVeigh from this kind of theocracy camp, etc?

Same camp. Different Camp Counselor.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:55:13am

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I prolly shouldn’t have said that…

92 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:55:15am

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Same camp. Different Camp Counselor.

Well stated.

93 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:56:25am

re: #89 Ben Hur

Was McVeigh from this kind of theocracy camp, etc?

Elohim City, my friend - hot-bed of truly radical theocratic crap, with a nice healthy dose of pseudo-Israelitish “Identity” garbage thrown in.

94 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:56:43am

re: #85 Ben Hur

As long as the stay a SUB-culture.

Otherwise, I agree with you about the similarities.

These are the people I mean when I say, “Talk to me when they start blowing up buildings…”

I would say after they blow something up might be too late to point them out and say they’re a problem that merits watching. Then we would wonder why someone didn’t point them out sooner.

Additionally, I would say women are the proverbial canary in the coal mine. You can tell a lot about a society by the way it treats women. Women are treated very well in Western Civilization, however- when we see places like Kansas try to pass laws meant to intimidate women, we need to take notice, because that’s when the canary is slumping.

95 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:56:48am

re: #89 Ben Hur

Was McVeigh from this kind of theocracy camp, etc?

Eric Rudolph, Christian Identity - mix of Neo-Nazism and theocracy

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

96 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #89 Ben Hur

Was McVeigh from this kind of theocracy camp, etc?

Arson, bombing, and property crime

More recent incidents have included:[5]

December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians’ offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings “a gift to Jesus on his birthday.”[15][16][17]
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[18]
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.[19]
September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.[20]
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.[18]
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[18]
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.[21]
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women’s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.[22]
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women’s health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[23]
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[24]
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd’s clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[25]
January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness [26] rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[27]

97 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:57:01am

re: #85 Ben Hur

“Talk to me when they start blowing up buildings…”

They have done that, and a lot of other violent acts…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:57:58am

I have to go. Can y’all please solve this shit before I get back?

Thanks. Y’all are peaches in my book.

99 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:58:41am
100 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:59:27am

SANDBOMB

In February 1998, an explosive device detonated outside the New Woman and All Women Health Care Clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, fatally injuring an off-duty policeman and severely injuring a nurse employed at the facility. According to the FBI, the investigation indicates that this bombing may be related to two other bombings claimed by the Army of God, which occurred in Atlanta, Georgia during 1997.

Rank: Overall 8
Agents 8
Support 6

[Link: www.justice.gov…]

101 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:00:11am

re: #93 Guanxi88

re: #95 Thanos

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #97 ausador

Well, I did say “start talking to me when they blow up buildings…”

Thanks.

I always separated the militia types from the anti_abortion types.

102 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:00:12am

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What’s really bad is that the frequency of incidents are increasing. These guys are further fringe than the Phelps Hate Church, and any supporters they have should be reviled at least as much as the Phelps Klan is, yet you saw people here defending them on the Tiller threads.

103 simoom  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:00:30am

Unhinged Hot Air commenters to U.S. Government, “Pass a Public Option and we’re outta here!”

[Link: hotair.com…]

Texas can opt out by seceding.

[Link: hotair.com…]

And the rest of the sane states

[Link: hotair.com…]

If they do, I’m so there.

[Link: hotair.com…]

That’s the only move left. This feral government will not be domesticated, again. It has reverted to an utterly savage state of nature and will never return.

[Link: hotair.com…]

I am SO ready for secession. No taxation without representation, and they don’t represent us at all anymore.

[Link: hotair.com…]

In the new United Maoist States of America, Texas will be our Taiwan.

Long live the Republic.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Secession. Now, that’s a public option I’m hoping Texas soon will decide to take.

Think of it as the ultimate opt-out.

[Link: hotair.com…]

So builds this historical flash point.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Maybe it is time the non Marxist states considered “opting out” of the “union”.

[Link: hotair.com…]

“Are there anymore options out there to fix this mess?”

Think George Washington. Yes, there are options.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Yup, Texas secession — the ultimate opt-out.

[Link: hotair.com…]

“Are there anymore options out there to fix this mess?”

Not really.

– The SCOTUS should rule it un-Constitutional, which it clearly is, but they won’t.

– The Precedent could be found ineligible, thrown out of office, and have everything he signed rendered null and void (though I’m not sure about that last part) … but it won’t (see above)

– Secession

That’s really about it. Sad. But these are the sorts of situations that a feral government produces. Other than the above, the American creed will die, with only American conservatives left to carry it as a belief that they, alone in the world, espouse, without a land in which to practice it and without the ability to live by the framework set down by the founding documents and the traditions established by American culture.

Ran out of space - continued in my next post…

104 simoom  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:00:42am

Continued:

[Link: hotair.com…]

It does seem like our options are getting fewer. After the last election I don’t really have that much faith in the election process, and the communists in the White House will do everything they can to rig elections.

It’s quite obvious what the majority of people in this country want … and “health care” isn’t one of them. Washington isn’t listening, Washington doesn’t want to listen. They just want us to shut up and keep giving them our money.

Washington fears the left. They will never listen to us until they fear us more.

[Link: hotair.com…]

If you have to over come a veto as well, you will need 72-75 Republican seats.

That’s never going to happen. This thing has to be defeated before it goes in. Failing that, the only remaining option will be secession.

[Link: hotair.com…]

for this little weasel to attach his name to the Public Option is the final nail in his coffin….

Of course, it is the final nail in the coffin of this country if this load of crap passes too….

[Link: hotair.com…]

And if this thing passes, it’s on Mr. Rightisleft.

Millions feel just like me, and I’d sooner die a patriot, than a slave. And even if every one of us is killed… I will have considered it an honor to be dead amongst other like minded heros.

Secession and civil war are alternatives to this, and by god if those are the only options left… so be it, the democrats forced our hand.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Check that… the lefteists have forced our hand.

The Democrats by no means have a monopoly on useless sub-human garbage leftsts.

[Link: hotair.com…]

No he won’t learn. But that’s fine. He can die a slave on his knees. I am willing to die on my feet as a patriot so that his kids, who I think more of than he does, can possibly enjoy freedom from the oppressive nanny state.

[Link: hotair.com…]

The American creed will not die – it cannot – but it seems that it might not be in the US that it will continue. If these bills don’t get killed …

[Link: hotair.com…]

The parasitic blue states will elect the public option and the red states will opt out. The left has now achieved exactly what it set out to do. They will reward their nanny state Marxist/leftist constituents and the parasitic underclass for faithfully voting for Democrats. We should take it one step further and completely redistribute the land mass and other resources so the two different and irreconcilable ideologies can go their separate ways never again to meet. The left can then build their ideal Marxist state and the rest of us can rebuild the greatest democracy and free market system ever known … and the sooner the better.
105 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:01:01am

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

McVeigh was supposedly all about Waco and Ruby Ridge. This illustrates how political violence is counter cyclical with who is in power. Counter sick-lycal?

106 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:01:20am

re: #101 Ben Hur

re: #95 Thanos

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #97 ausador

Well, I did say “start talking to me when they blow up buildings…”

Thanks.

I always separated the militia types from the anti_abortion types.

Lotta overlap there.

107 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:01:39am

re: #101 Ben Hur

re: #95 Thanos

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #97 ausador

Well, I did say “start talking to me when they blow up buildings…”

Thanks.

I always separated the militia types from the anti_abortion types.

Whole lot of cross-polination going on in those venues.

108 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:02:30am

re: #93 Guanxi88

Elohim City, my friend - hot-bed of truly radical theocratic crap, with a nice healthy dose of pseudo-Israelitish “Identity” garbage thrown in.

Almost ALL of these radical militant christian groups have a large element of British-Israelism as a core to their “theology.” I anyone wants to really understand a major foundational concept to these groups… read…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

109 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:03:12am

re: #103 simoom

Try to get some with some cursing or epithets, at least.

That sh*t ain’t hate speech yet.

110 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:03:36am

re: #104 simoom

anti-American pricks.

111 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:04:35am

re: #104 simoom

Thanks once again for the research Simoom, the Beatles have the answer for those dimfucks:

112 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:04:36am

re: #93 Guanxi88

Elohim City, my friend - hot-bed of truly radical theocratic crap, with a nice healthy dose of pseudo-Israelitish “Identity” garbage thrown in.

From the Wiki page of Elohim City.

The remains of former Elohim City guest Richard Snell were released to Elohim City residents following his April 19, 1995, execution in Arkansas. Snell taunted jailers that something drastic would happen on the day of his execution. The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was destroyed by explosives in the hours before he died. Earlier criminal proceedings had produced evidence that Snell and other affiliates had visited the Murrah building to examine it as a possible bombing target in 1983.

113 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:04:52am

re: #109 Ben Hur

Secession and revolution should not be a substitute for legitimate political thought.

114 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:06:26am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Secession and revolution should not be a substitute for legitimate political thought.

Sure is fun though.

//

115 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:07:00am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Secession and revolution should not be a substitute for legitimate political thought.

I agree with you on this one:


And if this thing passes, it’s on Mr. Rightisleft.

Millions feel just like me, and I’d sooner die a patriot, than a slave. And even if every one of us is killed… I will have considered it an honor to be dead amongst other like minded heros.

Secession and civil war are alternatives to this, and by god if those are the only options left… so be it, the democrats forced our hand.

116 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:07:39am

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whole lot of cross-polination going on in those venues.

They are also very heavy on “teh anti-gay”

117 simoom  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:07:50am

re: #109 Ben Hur

Try to get some with some cursing or epithets, at least.

That sh*t ain’t hate speech yet.

I actually started out excerpting the more typical bile from that thread - comments like this:

[Link: hotair.com…]

The communists are absolutely desperate to force their population control mechanism upon the American public. More abortions of the “undesirables”, eventual euthanasia of the old and sick and denial of care to those who are “problems”.

No wonder Hitler wrote to American progressives on how best to institute his eugenics programs. He knew they knew what to do.

[Link: hotair.com…]

They don’t care. The Precedent is a political suicide bomber and the useful idiots on the Hill are smiling as they walk alongside him into the mall.

“Hey, that’s a nice backpack you’ve got there, Precedent Hussein.”

“Yeah. This health care bill is pretty big. And it came with this trigger here …”

But, as I was seeing so much secessionist BS and because of space limitations, I decided to focus on the latter.

118 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:08:02am
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women’s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[22]

And wasn’t he awfully embarrassed when the cops told him?

/

119 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #115 Ben Hur

The ever famous “Look what you made me do!” line of reasoning.

120 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:08:13am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Secession and revolution should not be a substitute for legitimate political thought.

That depends.

I agree that 2009 USA it doesn’t.

121 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:09:09am

re: #117 simoom

Keep to the juicy ones…

122 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:09:19am

re: #118 ausador

And wasn’t he awfully embarrassed when the cops told him?

/

“Boy, is my face red or what? Well, I guess you can’t really tell.”

123 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:10:18am

re: #118 ausador

And wasn’t he awfully embarrassed when the cops told him?

/

When you’re insane, you can justify anything to yourself.

124 bosforus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:10:35am

OT: The Onion: Scientology Losing Ground To New Fictionology

Fictionology’s central belief, that any imaginary construct can be incorporated into the church’s ever-growing set of official doctrines, continues to gain popularity. Believers in Santa Claus, his elves, or the Tooth Fairy are permitted—even encouraged—to view them as deities. Even corporate mascots like the Kool-Aid Man are valid objects of Fictionological worship.

“My personal savior is Batman,” said Beverly Hills plastic surgeon Greg Jurgenson. “My wife chooses to follow the teachings of the Gilmore Girls. Of course, we are still beginners. Some advanced-level Fictionologists have total knowledge of every lifetime they have ever lived for the last 80 trillion years.”

“Sure, it’s total bullshit,” Jurgenson added. “But that’s Fictionology. Praise Batman!”

125 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:11:12am

re: #103 simoom

They’re always babbling about Texas seceding. As if though Texas operate in a federal vacuum and doesn’t receive any federal funding and is the beneficiary of Federal projects such as NASA which is one of 1000s. There would be no “cost benefit” to Texas seceding and the process would be far more complicated then their internet fantasies allow.

126 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:11:57am

re: #123 MrSilverDragon

When you’re insane, you can justify anything to yourself.

My dog told me to do it!

127 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #125 Gus 802

I think there has always been a vestigial nationalism in Texas. Nothing to worry about, apart from a few crazies who would invent something if need be to act upon.

128 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:15:49am

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

Almost ALL of these radical militant christian groups have a large element of British-Israelism as a core to their “theology.” I anyone wants to really understand a major foundational concept to these groups… read…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Where it gets really weird is the disputes that exist among these fringers over larger theological matters. You’ve got the British Israel groups, of course, but you also got some radical Asatru folk in the mix, as well as a whole host of volkisch neo-paganisms all being used as pseduo-religious beards to mask nazi and neo-Aryan militancy, which tehy view as reaction to the Judaic conspiracy against Aryanism that is Christianity.

129 Stanghazi  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:15:50am

re: #104 simoom

“feral government” ? WTF?

130 bosforus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:16:13am

re: #124 bosforus

Should’ve browsed a little more at The Onion before posting that link. This one’s funnier (last one, I swear).
Man Dies After Secret 4-Year Battle With Gorilla

131 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:16:14am

re: #124 bosforus

“Sure, it’s total bullshit,” Jurgenson added. “But that’s Fictionology. Praise Batman!”

LOL!

132 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:16:27am

re: #125 Gus 802

Texas was also one of the largest recipients of federal stimulus money. Idiots.

133 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:16:35am

Here’s a list for the “Texas seceders.” Good luck funding these airports:

List of airports in Texas

Oh look! More projects:

Texas Requests $1.8 Billion For High Speed Rail Project

The Texas Department of Transportation has submitted applications to the federal government seeking about $1.8 billion for high-speed passenger rail service between major cities including a route along the Interstate 35 corridor through Waco, Temple and College Station.

[snip]

The state also wants $200 million for less ambitious projects.

[snip]

Then there’s the military bases. They’ll have to start their own naval flotilla, army, and air force. Create a border. Return all property now owned by the federal government. All of this to avoid 10s of thousands of people from paying a $750 fine or some such amount. And that’s not even a given since what Senator Reid says is not what will come out of the senate. Everything is based on paranoid allegations and assumptions.

134 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:17:03am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My dog told me to do it!

That was David Berkowitz’ story, except that it wasn’t even his dog, it was the neighbors.

135 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:17:18am

re: #127 Rightwingconspirator

I think there has always been a vestigial nationalism in Texas. Nothing to worry about, apart from a few crazies who would invent something if need be to act upon.

I got down here in Texas just in time for the last major go-round of secessionism. Buncha jackassess appointed themselves the Provisional Government of the State of Texas and set up an embassy in a trailer (I kid you not). Everybody ignored them til they started issuing phoney money orders. It’s odd how political extremism, at least on the Right, always seems to involve counterfeiting.

136 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:18:03am

re: #134 ausador

That was David Berkowitz’ story, except that it wasn’t even his dog, it was the neighbors.

And how do you know that Kragar isn’t or wasn’t Son of Sam’s neighbor?

137 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:18:57am

Was it Vermont or New Hampshire during GWB term?

138 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:19:18am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Texas was also one of the largest recipients of federal stimulus money. Idiots.

Yeah, they are. They’ll also have to say good bye to this:

U.S. Military Major Bases and Installations - Texas

Army

* Fort Bliss
* Red River Army Depot
* Fort Hood
* Fort Sam Houston/Camp Bullis
* Ingleside Army Depot

Navy & Marine Corps

* Corpus Christi Naval Air Station/Naval Hospital/Naval Station
* Kingsville Naval Air Station

Air Force

* Randolph AFB
* Brooks City Base
* Lackland AFB
* Sheppard AFB
* Air Force Plant 4 (formerly Carswell AFB)
* Dyess AFB
* Goodfellow AFB
* Laughlin AFB

Coast Guard

* Group Corpus Christi
* Group Galveston
* Marine Safety Office Galveston
* Marine Safety Office Houston
* Marine Safety Office Port Arthur
* Air Station Corpus Christi
* Air Station Houston
* Vessel Traffic Service Houston/Galveston

139 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:19:54am

re: #136 Guanxi88

And how do you know that Kragar isn’t or wasn’t Son of Sam’s neighbor?

Good point, how about it Krager?

140 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:20:10am

re: #137 Ben Hur

Vermont. From the archives:

Moonbats in Vermont

141 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:20:32am

re: #130 bosforus

This one, from a few years ago, cracked me up:

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

142 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:20:46am

re: #134 ausador

That was David Berkowitz’ story, except that it wasn’t even his dog, it was the neighbors.

Norm Macdonald did something like as part of his standup routine.

“Okay, my Dark Master, I’ve killed my family, what are your next orders?”
“Suprise! Its me, Barry, from accounting!”
“Shit.”

143 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:21:21am

re: #140 Sharmuta

6 NotTheMomma Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:34:59am replyquote

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To tell you the truth, I want Texas to secede from the Union, but for other reasons.

LOL!

144 Kragar  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:21:45am

re: #139 ausador

Good point, how about it Krager?

I’m consulting with my court appointed dog before I answer the question.

145 Gus  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:22:02am

Quick! Someone tell American Airlines that Texas will soon be an “international destination!”

Ain’t gonna happen.

146 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:24:01am

re: #140 Sharmuta

138 Ben Hur Mon, Jun 4, 2007 12:21:56pm replyquote

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Let ‘em

Let them try to survive.

Seems to be what’s being said about Texas.

147 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:24:35am

re: #146 Ben Hur

Seems to be what’s being said about Texas.

Left or right- these people are dreaming.

148 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:24:49am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My dog told me to do it!

All mine did was eat my homework.

149 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:27:34am

re: #134 ausador

That was David Berkowitz’ story, except that it wasn’t even his dog, it was the neighbors.


David Berkowitz was INSANE!!!
I mean ,who would listen to their neighbors dog!
*pimf*/

150 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:27:40am

re: #140 Sharmuta

Wow.

That was some trip.

And to Killgore’s credit, he didn’t say it was anti-American!

151 simoom  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:28:55am

re: #137 Ben Hur

Was it Vermont or New Hampshire during GWB term?

New Hampshire just has the goofy Free State Project:
[Link: freestateproject.org…]

Statement of Intent

I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property.

I guess they’re assembling some sort of libertarian utopia…?

152 Guanxi88  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:29:35am

re: #151 simoom

I guess they’re assembling some sort of libertarian utopia…?

Didn’t work - too many Massholes moved in.

153 Cato the Elder  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:31:32am

Dinwiddie. LOL. Nuff sed.

154 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:36:39am

re: #146 Ben Hur

Seems to be what’s being said about Texas.

Texas tried secession before. It didn’t work out so well.

155 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:38:25am

At its highest, this is a nauseating story of religious extremists conducting fundraising for a religious extremist who is incarcerated awaiting trial on a murder charge for which he has not been convicted.
Probably a legal activity which will have to be tolerated.
I wonder if the pencil drawings by the accused will be admissible in the sentencing phase in order to prove his lack of contrition.

156 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:38:29am

re: #15 Gus 802

Terrorist group and terrorists holding online auction to help defend terrorist.

In the USA.

What is wrong with this picture?

//Well, they’re Christian and white, so they couldn’t possibly be terrorists, now could they?

///Sorry, got to go bid on an auction to pay for the defense of Timothy McVeigh. What’s that? It’s too late? Well, then, we should use the money to make him a statue.

157 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:51:13am

re: #135 Guanxi88

Follow the money. All they wanted was the seignorage.

158 Yashmak  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 12:06:51pm

I hope the DHS is all over this one. Money to fund a terrorist’s defense, coming from the sale of items favoring/inciting the same sort of terrorist acts he’s guilty of, likely coming from folks who favaor such terrorist acts.

All in all, something I’d think the DHS would be interested in.

159 Yashmak  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 12:07:52pm

re: #138 Gus 802


Or, they may find they’re suddenly very familiar with those locations…:)

160 idioma  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 12:31:33pm
One is a sketch of David and Goliath. “It has David with a slingshot in one hand and the head of Goliath in his other hand and the name ‘Tiller’ on Goliath’s forehead,” she said. “On the corpse on the ground, it says ‘child-murdering industry.’ ”

How very christian of him.

161 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 2:42:52pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

This is the same kind of warped martyr thinking we see from hamas. Sick.

I wonder how ‘army of god’ translates in the middle eastern languages?

162 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 2:44:10pm

re: #161 Taqyia2Me

Hizbullah is “party of God” in arabic so, it would be similar to that.

163 iceweasel  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 2:44:37pm

re: #104 simoom

What in the name of God is wrong with the freaks at HotAir? All this melodramatic babble about the death of America, civil war, dying a patriot rather than living as a slave— because we might reform the health care system? WTF?

164 Jimmah  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 3:07:01pm

re: #163 iceweasel

What in the name of God is wrong with the freaks at HotAir? All this melodramatic babble about the death of America, civil war, dying a patriot rather than living as a slave— because we might reform the health care system? WTF?

These people need the emergency calming treatment outlined in this video :

165 iceweasel  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 3:23:50pm

re: #164 Jimmah

heh. Or this: (I’m finding lots of fun stuff on YouTube)

A dramatic reenactment of the infighting among what’s left of the GOP:

166 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 3:24:08pm

re: #104 simoom

Yikes.

I’m pretty sure that even at their worst, LGF’s pre-moderation comments were never like that.

167 Jimmah  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #165 iceweasel

heh. Or this: (I’m finding lots of fun stuff on YouTube)

A dramatic reenactment of the infighting among what’s left of the GOP:


They’re gonna slap themselves all the way to the whitehouse, ice-ski - you’ll see ///

168 iceweasel  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 3:37:55pm

More seriously, there is reason to suspect that some of the opposition to health care reform is driven by racial animosity. Obviously there are good criticisms and legitimate worries to have about it, but there is some interesting data suggesting that some of the unreasoning criticism is driven by racism— and given what we already know about HotAir commenters and racism, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a racist dynamic underlies some of their opposition: (the rest of it I’d put down to their apocalyptic visions and general nutbaggery)


Racial Resentment, Authoritarianism, and Health Care

scholars have demonstrated that racial animosity and opposition to policies perceived as re-distributive appear to go hand in hand. When people think of welfare, they think of Blacks. And one can surmise that, with the election of a Black president, and the rising to the surface of racial animosity among voters who, last year, were desperate enough to give Obama a chance, these relationships are even stronger now than when these data were collected last year.

In sum, there is reason to think that beneath the arguments about government intrusion into the health care market, death panels, and such, a much more visceral dynamic is at work. To be perfectly clear, it is far from the case that every opponent or skeptic of significant health-care reform is a racist or racially motivated in her or his thinking. But there is, at the least, very strong circumstantial evidence that views of race and beliefs about health care reform are linked significantly among many Americans, which probably explains why the debate on health care reform has caused a much stronger uproar in 2009 than it did in 1994.

169 Jimmah  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 4:01:04pm

re: #168 iceweasel

Why? Well scholars have demonstrated that racial animosity and opposition to policies perceived as re-distributive appear to go hand in hand. When people think of welfare, they think of Blacks. And one can surmise that, with the election of a Black president, and the rising to the surface of racial animosity among voters who, last year, were desperate enough to give Obama a chance, these relationships are even stronger now than when these data were collected last year.

This is completely spot-on. Of course, when challenged such people will deny being racist. “How can I be racist? I like Bill Cosby, and I’m 1/64th part Native American.”

170 iceweasel  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 4:30:54pm

Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but Operation Rescue (which we should all admit is merely the public face of the Army of God, and a front that recruits for them) has picked its next target: Leroy Carhart.

The CNN article is rather disgusting, in that it pretends to find parity between Carhart and the people harassing, stalking, and threatening him.

171 iceweasel  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 4:32:14pm

BTW, Carhart had been on OR’s list for some time. That’s why, unlike Tiller, he quit going to church:

“You try to do all you can to prevent it, but obviously Dr. Tiller thought he was safe in church.” He pauses. “I didn’t.”

The man who once wanted to be a preacher stopped going to church around 1989, for his own safety.

172 Jimmah  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 4:54:05pm

re: #170 iceweasel


The CNN article is rather disgusting, in that it pretends to find parity between Carhart and the people harassing, stalking, and threatening him.

Totally.

“Carhart and Newman represent the passionate extremes of the abortion debate. One operates by the law of the land, Roe vs. Wade, and a belief that abortion is “both religious and moral.” The other relishes free speech, guided by a love of God and the “humanity of the baby.”

This actually presents Carhart as a soulless exploiter of the law, whereas Newman is a lover of free speech, God, humanity and babies. Who could take issue with such wholesome values as those?/

173 iceweasel  Tue, Oct 27, 2009 5:20:07pm

re: #172 Jimmah

This actually presents Carhart as a soulless exploiter of the law, whereas Newman is a lover of free speech, God, humanity and babies. Who could take issue with such wholesome values as those?/

Right. Sickmaking. And Killgore is right that the CNN redesign is awful as well.


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