Radical Imam Killed in Dearborn Raid

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This is the Associated Press video report on an FBI raid in the Detroit area that resulted in a shootout, in which the leader of an extremist Sunni group was killed.

Youtube Video

UPDATE at 10/29/09 9:44:34 am:

A more detailed video from CNN: Hearing set for suspects tied to group seeking Islamic state.

FLV Video

UPDATE at 10/29/09 9:59:40 am:

Following the shooting, a Detroit News photographer was assaulted outside the imam’s mosque.

A group of men attacked a Detroit News photographer Wednesday evening outside a mosque where the leader had been fatally shot earlier in a shootout with federal agents.

Witnesses said the men were on the porch at the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque when Ricardo Thomas, 67, began taking photos from across the street. Several pushed him, one threw a punch at him and his camera equipment was smashed.

(Hat tip: Lawhawk.)

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268 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:12:26am

FBI: 1, Jihadis: 0

2 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:12:31am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Reading over the names from the raid yesterday, this sounds like yet another heretical muslim group, a sort of more militant version of the NOI, but without the wiser and cooler heads that prevail there. A jail-house group, most likely.

3 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:13:00am

The FBI is still looking for 4 from this group in Canada, that’s likely the connection between these guys and the international terror groups if there is one.

4 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:13:08am

Who CAIRs?
/

5 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:13:14am

Yikes.

I do wonder how much of a “network” might be affiliated with these particular fellows. I understand this was a particular mosque made mainly of “converts.”

6 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:14:05am

re: #2 Guanxi88

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Reading over the names from the raid yesterday, this sounds like yet another heretical muslim group, a sort of more militant version of the NOI, but without the wiser and cooler heads that prevail there. A jail-house group, most likely.

That was my guess.. these are not the Somali Muslims in the area but sort of a whacko NOI brand.

7 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:14:08am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

FBI: 1, Jihadis: 0

Can’t be said oft enough, Kudos to our Law enforcement agencies.

8 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:14:48am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

FBI: 1, Jihadis: 0

Cars set on fire tonght ,, PRICELESS!

9 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:15:44am

re: #8 sattv4u2

Cars set on fire tonght ,, PRICELESS!

This isn’t Paris… yet.

10 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:15:49am

The shootout came as the FBI were carrying out arrest warrants on an investigation that had been going on for two years.

The Detroit Free Press has much more on this, including an assault of a photographer today as he was taking pictures of the mosque, which is located inside a residential building.

11 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:15:50am

ohhh!…Chris Thomas!…well

12 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:16:08am

re: #7 Thanos

Can’t be said oft enough, Kudos to our Law enforcement agencies.

They definitely do not get enough credit, in my opinion.

13 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:16:40am
14 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:17:15am

re: #9 astronmr20

This isn’t Paris… yet.

You’re saying there won’t be street protests resulting in property destruction?

15 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:17:43am

re: #8 sattv4u2

Cars set on fire tonght ,, PRICELESS!

Then we can get a “Rebates for Remains” program to help the automakers again.
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16 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:18:23am

re: #14 sattv4u2

You show up here tomorrow with links to pics of rioting and car burning in Dearborn and I’ll take back my dings.

17 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:20:05am

re: #16 Thanos

You show up here tomorrow with links to pics of rioting and car burning in Dearborn and I’ll take back my dings.

Turn on FOX news right now

A Detroit photographer has video of his newscrew being rougheed up last night

18 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:20:24am

re: #16 Thanos

You show up here tomorrow with links to pics of rioting and car burning in Dearborn and I’ll take back my dings.

Concur. Let’s wait and see before we talk about burning cars. However, I would put police in Dearborn and Detroit on alert and keep my riot squads ready to go (alerted, but not deployed) as a precaution.

19 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:20:57am

re: #16 Thanos

re: #17 sattv4u2

Turn on FOX news right now

A Detroit photographer has video of his newscrew being rougheed up last night

WITH his camera(s) that were trashed

20 webevintage  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:21:01am

It seems like there has been a huge up-tick in rooting these guys out.
Are there more bad guys since the election, assuming a new administration is not paying attention? Or are the various agencies doing a better job or is it just that the press is paying more attention?

21 researchok  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:21:50am

re: #17 sattv4u2

Turn on FOX news right now

A Detroit photographer has video of his newscrew being rougheed up last night

Scuffles with a cameraman in Detroit aren’t quite Paris riots.

22 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:22:01am

From the FBI Press Release:

“Luqman Ameen Abdullah did not surrender and fired his weapon. An exchange of gun fire followed and Abdullah was killed. An FBI canine was also killed during the exchange.

Abdullah was the leader of part of a group which calls themselves Ummah (“the brotherhood”), a group of mostly African-American converts to Islam, which seeks to establish a separate Sharia-law governed state within the United States. The Ummah is ruled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rapp Brown, who is serving a state sentence in USP Florence, CO, ADMAX, for the murder of two police officers in Georgia.”

H. Rapp Brown, formerly the “Justice Minister” of the Black Panther Party, and currently serving life in a supermax in Colorado, is identified as the leader of the larger org to which this little group belonged.

23 redtickbeer  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:22:22am

re: #10 lawhawk

I’m very sorry that an FBI dog was killed.

Otherwise good job FBI.

24 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:22:46am

He was encouraging his followers to take violent action against the US. Isn’t that what they are doing over at Hotair?

25 badger1970  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:22:57am

re: #8 sattv4u2

This isn’t 1967.

26 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:23:09am

re: #22 Guanxi88

From the FBI Press Release:

“Luqman Ameen Abdullah did not surrender and fired his weapon. An exchange of gun fire followed and Abdullah was killed. An FBI canine was also killed during the exchange.

Abdullah was the leader of part of a group which calls themselves Ummah (“the brotherhood”), a group of mostly African-American converts to Islam, which seeks to establish a separate Sharia-law governed state within the United States. The Ummah is ruled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rapp Brown, who is serving a state sentence in USP Florence, CO, ADMAX, for the murder of two police officers in Georgia.”

H. Rapp Brown, formerly the “Justice Minister” of the Black Panther Party, and currently serving life in a supermax in Colorado, is identified as the leader of the larger org to which this little group belonged.

now that really pisses me off

27 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:23:19am

Is the very recent shooting at a synagogue in L.A. unrelated? The proximity in time suggests not.

28 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:23:21am

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

CAIR: Islamophobia Machine Targets American Muslims

For some reason the link doesn’t work in the spinoffs.

29 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:23:22am

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Concur. Let’s wait and see before we talk about burning cars. However, I would put police in Dearborn and Detroit on alert and keep my riot squads ready to go (alerted, but not deployed) as a precaution.

I’d imagine more trouble outta Detroit than Dearborn over this. Dearborn muslims, as predominately native-born to the faith, tend to view this kinda stuff as stupid heresies and cults.

30 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:23:55am

Put up a bunch of links about this from the Detroit News and Free Press in the spinoff links earlier, but here they are again for relevancy.

FBI still seeks three in mosque case (Updated)
Photographer from The News assaulted (Now with video)
Detroit imam urged use of force to start a new society
A look at group’s alleged targets

I’m sure there will be more throughout the day as we learn more. The FBI had a press conference lined up for 11:30am EDT, but I haven’t seen anything about that press conference yet.

31 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:24:47am

re: #21 researchok

Scuffles with a cameraman in Detroit aren’t quite Paris riots.

I speculated there would be protests, resulting in property damage, possibly including cars being trashed (burnt)

I never said Dearborn or Detroit was Paris. I was piggybacking on the “FBI: 1, Jihadis: 0” adding the PRICELESS like the VISA ads

As others have stated, we’ll wait and see

32 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:24:48am

re: #25 badger1970

This isn’t 1967.

yearn baby yearn!

33 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:26:14am

The H.Rapp Brown thing should give anyone pause who thinks that locking jihadists and terror leaders up, even in supermax facilities, limits their capacity to cause harm.

34 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:26:15am

re: #17 sattv4u2

I saw that, you are predicting rioting and car burning, show me pics.

35 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:26:47am

The leader of this gang was recruited in prison. CAIR was on the radio yesterday spinning, spinning, spinning, claiming the perp was “not a true Muslim,” and “just a common criminal.”

36 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:26:54am

re: #29 Guanxi88

I’d imagine more trouble outta Detroit than Dearborn over this. Dearborn muslims, as predominately native-born to the faith, tend to view this kinda stuff as stupid heresies and cults.

Indeed. The sort of thing this Imam preached is often called “Prislam”. Here’s a more orthodox Muslim perspective on it (this has been posted here before):

37 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:27:14am

re: #33 Guanxi88

The H.Rapp Brown thing should give anyone pause who thinks that locking jihadists and terror leaders up, even in supermax facilities, limits their capacity to cause harm.

disconnect the phone…deny visitors…problem solved

38 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:27:28am

re: #28 Ben Hur

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

CAIR: Islamophobia Machine Targets American Muslims

For some reason the link doesn’t work in the spinoffs.

What other nonsense has Niwad spouted in the past year or so?

39 TDG2112  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:27:32am

re: #20 webevintage

Hard to say. However you will note this investigation has been ongoing for 2 years, which predates the current administration. If you want to credit the current administration it is probably something to do with treating these situations more like Criminal investigations than a secret war on terror. Whenever I tune into Rush he always screams about this and how it will lead to the destruction of western civilization or some such.

40 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:28:08am

re: #35 Alouette

The leader of this gang was recruited in prison. CAIR was on the radio yesterday spinning, spinning, spinning, claiming the perp was “not a true Muslim,” and “just a common criminal.”

No True Muslim = No True Scotsman = No True Conservative

41 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:28:13am

re: #35 Alouette

The leader of this gang was recruited in prison. CAIR was on the radio yesterday spinning, spinning, spinning, claiming the perp was “not a true Muslim,” and “just a common criminal.”

Racists.

42 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:28:56am

We are probably safer now.

43 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:29:37am

re: #37 albusteve

disconnect the phone…deny visitors…problem solved

Well, let’s not forget Lynne Stewart and the role she played passing messages from Omar abdel-Rahman to his followers in Egypt. You can’t deny them access to counsel, and they will, as sure as I’m slacking off from work right now, attract and retain attornies of just this character.

44 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:29:46am
45 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:30:03am

re: #33 Guanxi88

A rope might work.

46 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:31:37am

re: #45 Ojoe

A rope might work.

Well, as Judge Bean observed, the grave is an escape-proof cell.

47 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:32:03am

re: #43 Guanxi88

Well, let’s not forget Lynne Stewart and the role she played passing messages from Omar abdel-Rahman to his followers in Egypt. You can’t deny them access to counsel, and they will, as sure as I’m slacking off from work right now, attract and retain attornies of just this character.

Lynn Stewart should be in prison…I guess some of this stuff just has not soaked in yet…

48 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:32:20am

re: #28 Ben Hur

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

CAIR: Islamophobia Machine Targets American Muslims

For some reason the link doesn’t work in the spinoffs.

CAIR is wrong, but I can understand while that confab worries them. Frank Gaffney JR and Pamela “Atlas Shrieks” Geller together in the same room is a truly toxic amount of Bad Craziness.

49 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:33:42am

re: #44 albusteve

Huh?

50 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:33:46am
51 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:33:49am

I should point out a few things. Dearborn has the largest Arab population outside the Middle East, the majority of whom are Muslim, and also has a large population of non-Arab Muslims. Over the last several years, they have been extraordinarily helpful to the FBI and the military in identifying unpleasant characters both here and abroad. I wouldn’t surprise me to learn that most, perhaps all, of the many domestic terrorism investigations now coming to light originated with information provided by this community, and their information and insights on all manner of topics regarding Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and other areas has been extremely helpful to our military and diplomatic efforts.

You’d be hard pressed to find a more emphatically pro-American group of immigrants anywhere, and snarking them off as a bunch of car-burning zealots is completely uncalled for.

52 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:34:38am

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Which shootings? The shooting victims on Cali today are Jews.

And, there is no established link between Detroit yesterday and California today.

53 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:34:47am

re: #44 albusteve

I got it.

54 Baier  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:36:20am

I have a feeling Detroit is going to get much more scary. If you read Atlas Shrugged, the way the old car towns are described in the book is verisimilitudinous.

55 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:37:12am

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Which shootings? The shooting victims on Cali today are Jews.

I was being snide…so that shooting was a hate crime against Jews…I hope it’s prosecuted that way…I learned alot last night

56 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:37:16am

Verisimilitudinous?

57 Sam N  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:37:28am

re: #51 SixDegrees

Great points SixDegrees.

58 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:38:18am

re: #55 albusteve

I think you needed a snide tag whatever key that might be…

59 Baier  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:39:03am

re: #56 Ben Hur

Verisimilitudinous?

One of the only things I remember from undergrad.

60 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:39:29am

re: #51 SixDegrees

I should point out a few things. Dearborn has the largest Arab population outside the Middle East, the majority of whom are Muslim, and also has a large population of non-Arab Muslims. Over the last several years, they have been extraordinarily helpful to the FBI and the military in identifying unpleasant characters both here and abroad. I wouldn’t surprise me to learn that most, perhaps all, of the many domestic terrorism investigations now coming to light originated with information provided by this community, and their information and insights on all manner of topics regarding Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and other areas has been extremely helpful to our military and diplomatic efforts.

You’d be hard pressed to find a more emphatically pro-American group of immigrants anywhere, and snarking them off as a bunch of car-burning zealots is completely uncalled for.

I thought they were dancing in the streets after 9/11…certainly not all of them

61 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:40:05am

re: #60 albusteve

I thought they were dancing in the streets after 9/11…certainly not all of them

Dearborn is in Michigan, not the Gaza Strip.

62 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:40:08am

re: #58 Rightwingconspirator

I think you needed a snide tag whatever key that might be…

>}
Snidely Whiplash mustache

63 Baier  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:40:11am

re: #56 Ben Hur

Verisimilitudinous?

Something that has the appearance of being true or real.

64 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #59 Baier

One of the only things I remember from undergrad.

stuff like that will take you far in life

65 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:40:33am

re: #61 CommonCents

Wasn’t the Gaza 911 tape a fake from another day?

66 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:40:36am

re: #56 Ben Hur

Verisimilitudinous?

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

67 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:41:33am

re: #65 Rightwingconspirator

Wasn’t the Gaza 911 tape a fake from another day?

Not the Pali one.

68 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:42:30am

re: #61 CommonCents

Dearborn is in Michigan, not the Gaza Strip.

no shit?…but were they dancing in the streets or not?…I thought it was common knowledge

69 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:43:18am

re: #65 Rightwingconspirator

Wasn’t the Gaza 911 tape a fake from another day?

If you’re referring to the one filmed by CNN, I know that the Palestinian Authority was so certain that it was a fake, and so absolutely assured that such things would never happen in their territory, that they arrested 30 journalists for filming these non-existent displays of barbarism in Gaza.

70 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:44:26am

re: #35 Alouette

The leader of this gang was recruited in prison. CAIR was on the radio yesterday spinning, spinning, spinning, claiming the perp was “not a true Muslim,” and “just a common criminal.”

I recently saw a TV program on the prison in Maricopa County AZ. Racism is rampant in our prison system.

Unbelievable, hideous, nasty, vile racism.

The “muslims” who come out of the prison system should be monitored closely.

71 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:44:48am

CNN video:

72 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #68 albusteve

no shit?…but were they dancing in the streets or not?…I thought it was common knowledge

I wasn’t aware that occured in Dearborn. Maybe I missed it.

73 Baier  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:46:23am

re: #71 Charles

CNN video:


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It looks like he got swallowed by a denim python.

74 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:47:07am

re: #73 Baier

It looks like he got swallowed by a denim python.

now THAT was funny!

75 kobra_55  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:47:30am

Considering that the number of Muslim-Americans who live in Dearborn (and have for many years) is in the hundreds of thousands you have to give the Muslim community there some credit for keeping the formation of these kinds of extremist groups to a minimum.

This particular sect was one that formed mostly in prisons, which is a whole other conversation to have about how many of our prisons are recruiting grounds for extremism in one form or another.

76 philosophus invidius  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:48:23am

re: #72 CommonCents

I do know that there was some dancing in the streets there after Saddam’s statue was toppled.

77 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:48:36am

re: #68 albusteve

no shit?…but were they dancing in the streets or not?…I thought it was common knowledge

I never heard of it. If it happened, it must have involved such small numbers that even the local news ignored it.

There’s no doubt that there are bad guys there. The point, however, is that the community as a whole is instrumental in bringing these lowlifes to the attention of authorities, along with a wealth of other information it would be difficult or impossible to acquire otherwise.

78 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:49:28am

re: #76 philosophus invidius

I do know that there was some dancing in the streets there after Saddam’s statue was toppled.

they just like to dance…it’s really a non issue

79 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:50:29am

re: #76 philosophus invidius

I do know that there was some dancing in the streets there after Saddam’s statue was toppled.

That I do recall. There is a huge expatriate Iraqi community here, and finding any that are friendly towards the Hussein regime would be difficult, at best.

80 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:51:03am

re: #77 SixDegrees

I never heard of it. If it happened, it must have involved such small numbers that even the local news ignored it.

There’s no doubt that there are bad guys there. The point, however, is that the community as a whole is instrumental in bringing these lowlifes to the attention of authorities, along with a wealth of other information it would be difficult or impossible to acquire otherwise.

of course I will take your word for it…regardless of numbers and behaviors there must be a gold mine of assets there

81 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:51:08am

re: #68 albusteve

no shit?…but were they dancing in the streets or not?…I thought it was common knowledge

You got a link ? Serious. I checked Schlussel’s blog who is from the area, if there was dancing in the street in Dearborn post 9/11 I am certain that she would have posted it.

82 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:51:13am

I plan on handing out candy Saturday. Nothing to do with this story, though.

83 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:52:30am

re: #81 Thanos

You got a link ? Serious. I checked Schlussel’s blog who is from the area, if there was dancing in the street in Dearborn post 9/11 I am certain that she would have posted it.

no…I did a quick google and didn’t find anything

84 JanglerNPL  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:52:55am

re: #78 albusteve

Then why did you bring it up?

85 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:53:39am

re: #84 JanglerNPL

Then why did you bring it up?

I bring up lot’s of stuff…just another thing

86 StillAMarine  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:54:04am

re: #51 SixDegrees

Thank you for that, Six.

Let’s give credit where credit is due. It is all too easy for us to go off on an anti-Islam slant. But I would really like to see the Muslim community more publicly decry the radical fundamentalists who are hijacking the Islamic Faith.
Most likely they are rightfully afraid to go public.

87 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:54:56am

re: #85 albusteve

I bring up lot’s of stuff…just another thing

Hearsay always gets challenged here, you should know that by now.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:55:27am

MSNBC has a good article on this:

Feds: Radical Islam group leader killed in raid


DETROIT - A leader of a radical U.S. Sunni Islam group killed in a shootout with federal agents near Detroit repeatedly told followers that the government was the enemy and they must be willing to take on the FBI — even if it meant death, authorities said.

“You cannot have a nonviolent revolution,” Luqman Ameen Abdullah said, according to a 2008 conversation secretly recorded by a confidential FBI source.

…The FBI said Abdullah, also known as Christopher Thomas, was an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group named Ummah whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the U.S.

Abdullah told followers that it was their “duty to oppose the FBI and the government and it does not matter if they die” and to “simply shoot a cop in the head” if they wanted the officer’s bulletproof vest, Leone wrote.

The affidavit also said bombs, guns and even the recipe for TNT were among Abdullah’s regular topics with his allies. Group members and former members said they were “willing to do anything Abdullah instructs and/or preaches, even including criminal conduct and acts of violence,” the FBI agent wrote.

Of course CAIR tries to make the imam look like a boy scout.


But that description doesn’t match what Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, said he knew of Abdullah.

“He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people,” Walid said. “I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior.”

89 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:55:58am

re: #87 Thanos

Hearsay always gets challenged here, you should know that by now.

of course, I don’t mind…I thought it happened, apparently not

90 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:56:51am
“I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior.”

No problem. All of that is about to become a matter of public record.

91 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:57:14am

Once again, folks

I never said Dearborn or Detroit was Paris. I was piggybacking on the “FBI: 1, Jihadis: 0” adding the PRICELESS like the VISA ads

I pray the good people of Dearborn Detroit, et al do NOT react in a bad way.

92 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:58:19am

It’s been decidedly chilly here for a couple of weeks now; short ribs are on sale at the local market; I’ve got a recipe for short ribs braised in red wine on the screen in front of me.

A plan is beginning to take shape…

93 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:58:35am

re: #75 kobra_55

This particular sect was one that formed mostly in prisons, which is a whole other conversation to have about how many of our prisons are recruiting grounds for extremism in one form or another.

What could possibly go wrong when you combine a gang of career criminals with an extremist sect of Sunni Islam?

I guess now we know.

94 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:59:09am

re: #91 sattv4u2

Once again, folks

I never said Dearborn or Detroit was Paris. I was piggybacking on the “FBI: 1, Jihadis: 0” adding the PRICELESS like the VISA ads

I pray the good people of Dearborn Detroit, et al do NOT react in a bad way.

It’s the good people that you don’t need to worry about. It sounds like this imam has a lot of dedicated followers. Say a prayer for the citizens of Dearborn.

95 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:59:25am

re: #92 SixDegrees

It’s been decidedly chilly here for a couple of weeks now; short ribs are on sale at the local market; I’ve got a recipe for short ribs braised in red wine on the screen in front of me.

A plan is beginning to take shape…

Buy extra ribs. You’ll love them so much you’ll be mad if you don’t.

96 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:59:27am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Of course CAIR tries to make the imam look like a boy scout.


But that description doesn’t match what Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, said he knew of Abdullah.

“He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people,” Walid said. “I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior.”

CAIR would try to do that. They don’t want to admit to any Muslim violence. They’d do better to admit that Jihadism is a problem and then try to promote different, peaceful, paths within Islam.

97 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:59:48am

re: #92 SixDegrees

It’s been decidedly chilly here for a couple of weeks now; short ribs are on sale at the local market; I’ve got a recipe for short ribs braised in red wine on the screen in front of me.

A plan is beginning to take shape…

Sounds like a very good plan.

98 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:59:53am

re: #86 StillAMarine

Thank you for that, Six.

Let’s give credit where credit is due. It is all too easy for us to go off on an anti-Islam slant. But I would really like to see the Muslim community more publicly decry the radical fundamentalists who are hijacking the Islamic Faith.
Most likely they are rightfully afraid to go public.

it could happen here in the States, a wide spread outcry by moderate Islam would be a hell of a thing…and they have the rule of law to back them up, but fear is a powerful emotion

99 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:00:54am

re: #98 albusteve

it could happen here in the States, a wide spread outcry by moderate Islam would be a hell of a thing…and they have the rule of law to back them up, but fear is a powerful emotion

So is apathy, apparently.

100 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:01:12am

I’m still wondering about the four Canadians they are looking for, and where the rest of the ring is, and what they were up to. Any more news yet on that?

101 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:03:17am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC has a good article on this:

Feds: Radical Islam group leader killed in raid

But that description doesn’t match what Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, said he knew of Abdullah.

“He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people,” Walid said. “I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior.”

Was he speaking in a funny German accent?

102 badger1970  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:04:31am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Great to have as a friend but wouldn’t want as an enemy. “no true…’

103 JanglerNPL  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:04:48am

re: #99 astronmr20

So is apathy, apparently.

Or could it just be that the sentiment “Jihadism is bad” is so self-evident that most Muslims don’t feel the need to spend too much time saying it? (I’m seriously asking, here…)

104 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:04:53am

Damn. He shot an FBI dog.

It’s three, not four Canadian residents:

[Link: ca.entertainment.yahoo.com…]

TORONTO - The FBI is searching for three Canadian-linked men alleged to be part of a radical Islamic group.

A fiery imam associated with the group was killed in a police shootout in Detroit on Wednesday. An FBI complaint indicates the three men at large are residents of Ontario.

They are identified as Mujahid Carswell, Mohammad Alsahi, and Yassir Ali Khan.

105 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:05:58am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Not “Law Enforcement”, surely???… but…but…but… i didn’t think “Law Enforcement” had any place in counter terrorism… it’s sooo pre-9/11

106 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:06:57am

re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar

Buy extra ribs. You’ll love them so much you’ll be mad if you don’t.

I’m limited by the size of my dutch oven, sadly.

107 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:07:36am

re: #106 SixDegrees

I’m limited by the size of my dutch oven, sadly.

I meant for the freezer for later use.

108 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:07:49am

re: #105 wozzablog

Not “Law Enforcement”, surely???… but…but…but… i didn’t think “Law Enforcement” had any place in counter terrorism… it’s sooo pre-9/11

Huh?

109 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:08:55am

re: #106 SixDegrees

I’m limited by the size of my dutch oven, sadly.

I do my spare ribs in a large crock pot…trim the fat, dump in a bottle of my favorite sauce, a splash of water, cook on low for as long as you want…easy and tasty

110 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:09:11am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Didn’t take long for CAIR to start running interference.

… and be provided an outlet for it.

111 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:10:24am

re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar

I meant for the freezer for later use.

Ah - good idea.

Of course, I’m limited by the size of my freezer, as well. I gotta make room for a standalone out in the garage.

I wonder if the upcoming appliance stimulus would apply?

112 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:10:44am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Huh?

illegal carburetor

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:11:15am

re: #110 Noam Sayin’

Didn’t take long for CAIR to start running interference.

… and be provided an outlet for it.

CAIR can piss on an outlet, or up a rope, depending on which one Mandy would prefer they do.

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:11:43am

re: #112 albusteve

illegal carburetor

Now I’m really confused.

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #111 SixDegrees

Ah - good idea.

Of course, I’m limited by the size of my freezer, as well. I gotta make room for a standalone out in the garage.

I wonder if the upcoming appliance stimulus would apply?

When it does, it will be only for an upgrade. See if you have a used appliance store to buy one.

116 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #105 wozzablog

Not “Law Enforcement”, surely???… but…but…but… i didn’t think “Law Enforcement” had any place in counter terrorism… it’s sooo pre-9/11

The role of LE in counter-terrorism operations depends, of course, on the place and nature of the threat. For example, objecting to efforts to capture or assassinate the leader of a foreign terror org on grounds that we lack a warrant or compelling legal grounds to do so, is foolish, and very much pre-911 thinking.

By contrast, using the FBI domestically (since we can’t use the CIA within our borders) to go after terrorists and terror orgs within the US makes perfect sense.

Then, there’s the question of whether you view al-Qaeda, for example, as a criminal gang, and seek to go after them using the legal system of the the nation they attacked, or whether you understand them to be unlawful combatants engaged in unlawful warfare against the United States. The answer to that question determines your approach, and dictates whether you use habeus corpus of Hellfire.

117 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:11:56am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

I left off the sarc tag, although i thought my comment was dripping with it.

For several years the pevious administration belittled people advancing the role of “Law Enforcement” in counter terrorism - preferring a militaristic response.

118 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:12:38am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Now I’m really confused.

it has to do with federal regulations concerning bongs

119 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:13:14am

OT: Pushback against the Paulians…

Davidson County GOP Moves To Oust Ron Paul-Supporting Vice Chair

In a statement released on the party’s website Wednesday, the party stated that the reason for the motion to remove were Collins’ “unprofessional actions and words” as well as his use of his title when expressing opinions “derogatory to and disrespectful of Republican candidates or elected officials.” A spokeswoman for DCRP chairwoman Kathleen Starnes would not elaborate on the statement.

Collins has had a tumultuous relationship with the party stemming from his associations with small “L” libertarian groups and the Ron Paul for President campaign.

120 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:13:26am

re: #109 albusteve

I do my spare ribs in a large crock pot…trim the fat, dump in a bottle of my favorite sauce, a splash of water, cook on low for as long as you want…easy and tasty

Sounds good. I wind up doing pretty much the same, but the dutch oven is bigger than most crock pots.

121 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #118 albusteve

it has to do with federal regulations concerning bongs

Just change the name to “water pipe”, and all is well.

/I don’t believe that either.

122 webevintage  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:14:07am

re: #39 TDG2112

Hard to say. However you will note this investigation has been ongoing for 2 years, which predates the current administration. If you want to credit the current administration it is probably something to do with treating these situations more like Criminal investigations than a secret war on terror. Whenever I tune into Rush he always screams about this and how it will lead to the destruction of western civilization or some such.

I really was not trying to credit the present administration (even though I’d like to find out that the changes are due to the new administration) but more wondering why it seems like so many arrests have happened this year.
Seems like good old fashion detective work still is the best way to get the bad guys.

123 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:14:08am

re: #118 albusteve

I thought it was about impending federal legislation involving capitalization and punctuation.

124 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Related:

Ron Paul, gearing up for 2012?

125 ryannon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:14:57am

“But that description doesn’t match what Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, said he knew of Abdullah.”

Not the Abdullah he knew.

(sigh)

126 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:15:10am

CBC’s lede story of the day is how 3 Canadians involved in the shootout are now being sought by the FBI…(two are citizens of Canada, and one is a resident of Canada.)

127 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:15:22am

re: #120 SixDegrees

Sounds good. I wind up doing pretty much the same, but the dutch oven is bigger than most crock pots.

but then I can buy three crock pots for the price of a large high quality dutch oven…those things are expensive, I don’t own one

128 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:15:44am

Shot Fired Into Home of Lou Dobbs of CNN!

Yikes.

129 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:16:24am

re: #124 NJDhockeyfan

I still can’t imagine him getting the nomination but his influence is certainly growing.

130 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:16:40am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

When it does, it will be only for an upgrade. See if you have a used appliance store to buy one.

That whole thing is pissing me off this week. Last weekend, my washer died, and the dryer started making unpleasant noises. I can’t really complain - they’re over 15 years old - but I need them replaced now, and can’t wait until the stimulus, or whatever it’s going to be, starts up, especially since no one knows when it’s going to start, if ever. But it looks like I’ll be missing out by a matter of weeks. Damn it.

I’ll be keeping the receipts, of course.

131 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:16:48am

re: #123 wozzablog

I thought it was about impending federal legislation involving capitalization and punctuation.

when that passes, it will be re-ed for me…c’ya!

132 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:17:48am

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

CAIR can piss on an outlet, or up a rope, depending on which one Mandy would prefer they do.

Whichever is less messy if someone else has to clean it.

133 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:18:25am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

BS meter gave an uptick on that one.

134 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:18:41am

I have been noting the frequent “Canadian connections” in many of the FBI stings and raids. There was a Jordanian picked up in Texas — family lives in Ontario. There was a Pakistani who wanted to blow up the Danish newspaper for publishing cartoons — that was a “Canadian.” Now these 3 bozos. Canada and its “immigration/refugee” policies have got to get their act together.

135 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:20:49am

re: #127 albusteve

but then I can buy three crock pots for the price of a large high quality dutch oven…those things are expensive, I don’t own one

I found a great deal on an 8-quart enameled cast iron dutch oven at Target - $40, and pretty much indistinguishable from the high-end French jobs that’ll knock you back over $300 in that size.

Of course, it’s made in China, so I’m probably getting more than my MDA of lead from the enamel.

136 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:20:52am

re: #134 J.S.

I have been noting the frequent “Canadian connections” in many of the FBI stings and raids. There was a Jordanian picked up in Texas — family lives in Ontario. There was a Pakistani who wanted to blow up the Danish newspaper for publishing cartoons — that was a “Canadian.” Now these 3 bozos. Canada and its “immigration/refugee” policies have got to get their act together.

not gonna happen…here either…this home grown jihadi menace is just getting off the ground imo…they are here and they are starting to move around a bit

137 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:21:21am

re: #133 Noam Sayin’

BS meter gave an uptick on that one.

That was my first reaction too. He’s really nutty but he says he reported it to the police so if he’s lying someone will check the police report and bust him. He’s extreme enough that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that some people might want to threaten him. I’m sure Beck gets lots of death threats too.

138 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:21:23am

OT - you know you’re going to have a good day at work when it starts off by jumping into a storm drain manhole.

139 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:22:35am

re: #136 albusteve

I really wonder about how many of these radicals gain entry from the Middle East to Canada, then head out to the “Great Satan”? (it’s very, very easy to “get to Canada.”)

140 albusteve  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:22:47am

re: #135 SixDegrees

I found a great deal on an 8-quart enameled cast iron dutch oven at Target - $40, and pretty much indistinguishable from the high-end French jobs that’ll knock you back over $300 in that size.

Of course, it’s made in China, so I’m probably getting more than my MDA of lead from the enamel.

$40 and it kills you!…what a deal…seriously I want a good one and figured it would cost at least a hundred…I want to play around with one…soon come

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:22:53am

re: #138 bosforus

OT - you know you’re going to have a good day at work when it starts off by jumping into a storm drain manhole.

The power cord on your computer must be REALLY long.
/

142 badger1970  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:23:36am

re: #130 SixDegrees

Yes, if the feds can spend $25,000 per car I can’t wait for the Maytag rebate. /

I do hope you find a pleasant ending for your appliance problems.

143 webevintage  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #130 SixDegrees

That whole thing is pissing me off this week. Last weekend, my washer died, and the dryer started making unpleasant noises. I can’t really complain - they’re over 15 years old - but I need them replaced now, and can’t wait until the stimulus, or whatever it’s going to be, starts up, especially since no one knows when it’s going to start, if ever. But it looks like I’ll be missing out by a matter of weeks. Damn it.

I’ll be keeping the receipts, of course.

Yep that sucks.
We had to get both a washing machine and a dishwasher ealier this year when they both gave up the ghost within a month of each other.
arrrggghhh
The dishwasher we had planned on, but not the washer (I loved my washing machine and had had it repaired a few times)…for some reason mu husband refused to buy me the $1100 washer with the steam level. I think there is a small deduction (if i remember from doing the taxes last year) for getting energy star appliances.?

144 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:25:34am

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

The power cord on your computer must be REALLY long.
/

Nah, I’ve got 200 extension cords running through storm drains to the outdoor outlet of a nearby 7-11. When my computer doesn’t start, down I go!

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #143 webevintage

Your power company might offer a deduction. I’d check there. Same to you, Six.

146 Athens Runaway  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:25:43am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Shot Fired Into Home of Lou Dobbs of CNN!

[Video]Yikes.

I don’t like Dobbs, he’s a cranky populist. But I wonder which demographics hate him more, crazy rightwingers or crazy leftwingers?

147 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:26:33am

re: #143 webevintage

Energy star appliance tax credit. That’s in addition to any state or local rebate incentives.

148 rwdflynavy  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:27:11am

re: #117 wozzablog

I left off the sarc tag, although i thought my comment was dripping with it.

For several years the pevious administration belittled people advancing the role of “Law Enforcement” in counter terrorism - preferring a militaristic response.

Usually when it included terrorist organizations based in other countries. You won’t find much resistance to using the FBI in country for these kind of things. It is their bread and butter.

Way to go FBI!

149 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:27:27am

Video of the assault:

150 Athens Runaway  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:27:43am

re: #139 J.S.

Or Mexico, for that matter.

151 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:27:54am

re: #137 Killgore Trout


This might be one of those cases. I did a quick google search on it and the first two pages are all from the past 24 hours.

152 webevintage  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:28:17am

re: #140 albusteve

$40 and it kills you!…what a deal…seriously I want a good one and figured it would cost at least a hundred…I want to play around with one…soon come

Estate sales in high end neighborhoods.
You can find some great kitchen ware at decent prices.
A good dutch oven is on my “look out for list” when I am at sales to buy vintage. I got a great food processor for near to nothing last year because it was about 10 years old.

153 rwdflynavy  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #146 Athens Runaway

I don’t like Dobbs, he’s a cranky populist. But I wonder which demographics hate him more, crazy rightwingers or crazy leftwingers?

Not a huge daily show fan, but he had a funny comment about Lou Dobbs coming back to work after Katie Pilgrim filled in for him. “Remember when you came back to work Lou and your chair didn’t have that mean old man smell?”

154 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:29:20am

One of the “Canadian” suspects is Mujahid Carswell, also known as Mujahid Abdullah, is the oldest biological son of the slain leader. Another of the outstanding suspects, Yassir Ali Khan, 30, lives in Ontario and Warren, Mich., according to the FBI.
You have to take into consideration that the border is only five minutes away from the warehouse where the raid took place, so this so called Canadian connection doesn’t appear to be as sinister as it sounds. Windsor Ontario has long been the target of Detroit criminals who find easy pickings across the Detroit River.
Windsor Star

155 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:29:49am

re: #143 webevintage

Yep that sucks.
We had to get both a washing machine and a dishwasher ealier this year when they both gave up the ghost within a month of each other.
arrrggghhh
The dishwasher we had planned on, but not the washer (I loved my washing machine and had had it repaired a few times)…for some reason mu husband refused to buy me the $1100 washer with the steam level. I think there is a small deduction (if i remember from doing the taxes last year) for getting energy star appliances.?

Up to 1500 dollars this year. If the damn thing works. We purchased a 3000 dollar pellet stove from England Stove Co. in Va., 250 pounds of cast iron, and I have had to replace pasts twice on it and take it apart a total of 4 times, and it has not worked since the day the shippers arrive with it.

And they won’t pay for any of the labor (I know enough about this stove, I should be working for them now) and now they tell me if I want my money back, I have to speak to Home Depot. This was purchased on line from Home Depot Speciality Channel, and now I am having trouble getting anyone from Home Depot to call.

It cost 600 dollars to have it installed, which we are going to have to eat.

Grrr…

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:30:47am

BoooYAH!

157 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:32:30am

The FBI has located one of the 3 fugitives…not saying which one.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:32:36am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

They are known for exemplary service.

Well, not really. Sucks. They always have the out of blaming stuff on the manufacturer.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:33:19am

re: #157 J.S.

The FBI has located one of the 3 fugitives…not saying which one.

Can you imagine having those guys seriously looking for you? Would really, really suck.

160 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #149 Charles

I have to respect the camera man’s attitude on this… “I’m not gonna back down on these guys.” That’s some serious guts there.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:33:24am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

Not sure if this helps, but…

[Link: www.homedepot.com…]

162 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:34:08am

OT: DK/R2K NY-23 poll

The numbers: Owens 33%, Hoffman 32%, Scozzafava 21%, with a ±4% margin of error. Last week, Owens had 35%, Scozzafava 30%, and Hoffman 23%.

Hold me.

163 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #37 albusteve

disconnect the phone…deny visitors…problem solved

Or maybe just a straight-up death penalty for cop killers, terrorists, and traitors?

164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:35:18am

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They are known for exemplary service.

Well, not really. Sucks. They always have the out of blaming stuff on the manufacturer.

Well, I just spoke to the manufacturer, for about the 6th time. They were willing to send another stove, but I have to shlep this 250 pound stove to a UPS center, which is 50 miles from here, and then shlep up the replacement stove. Plus, why would I want another one when this one is so worthless?

I don’t know what trouble I may or may not have with Home Depot getting the refund. Hell, I want Home Depot to pick this one up, the same way it was dropped off at the house. Hell, we paid the shipping to get it to our door.

165 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:35:20am

Trivia: this imam looks a lot like Khalid Yasin.

166 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:36:19am

Windsor ON police have arrested one of the suspects at a home in downtown Windsor that is 5 blocks from the tunnel to Detroit.

167 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:36:22am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Probably their best bet is to turn themselves in…

168 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:37:28am

re: #9 astronmr20

This isn’t Paris… yet.

But it is Detroit!

169 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:37:38am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure if this helps, but…

[Link: www.homedepot.com…]

Thanks. I have a name, phone number and email of a manager in that on line department, he already emailed me a few weeks ago and said to call him if we need help, so now I have a call into him.

170 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:37:44am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can you imagine having those guys seriously looking for you? Would really, really suck.

I dunno. Might be nice to know that somebody, somewhere, cares about you when you go missing.

///

171 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:38:41am

OT

Another foot has washed up in British Columbia..(the seventh thus far).

172 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #162 JasonA

It’s an interesting development but I don’t trust DKos polls. They have an interest in seeing Republicans destroy themselves. They might be inflating Hoffman’s numbers just to encourage his supporters.

173 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:39:17am

re: #143 webevintage

Yep that sucks.
We had to get both a washing machine and a dishwasher ealier this year when they both gave up the ghost within a month of each other.
arrrggghhh
The dishwasher we had planned on, but not the washer (I loved my washing machine and had had it repaired a few times)…for some reason mu husband refused to buy me the $1100 washer with the steam level. I think there is a small deduction (if i remember from doing the taxes last year) for getting energy star appliances.?

Some states have small tax incentives. I think mine does, but it’s also tied to income and the calculation is complicated, so it’s hard to figure what it’s actually worth.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:39:23am

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Good luck with that, Walter.

“I’ve seen shit that will turn you white!”
-Winston Zeddemore

175 rwdflynavy  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:40:12am

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good luck with that, Walter.

“I’ve seen shit that will turn you white!”
-Winston Zeddemore

Dogs and Cats living together! Real Wrath of God type stuff!

176 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:40:15am

re: #171 J.S.

OT

Another foot has washed up in British Columbia..(the seventh thus far).

Remember hearing about these sortsa things from time to time. Whaddaya make of it? Me? I’m suspecting folks falling overboard or getting washed up from accidents elsewhere.

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #170 Guanxi88

This kind of “missing” is not in my best interest.

178 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Hey, point me in the direction of any poll from the last few days that has Dede in anything other than dead last and I’ll feel better.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:42:28am

Dr. Egon Spengler: Well, let’s say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning’s reading, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
Winston Zeddemore: That’s a big Twinkie.

Ernie Hudson is totally ignored, but he was great in that movie. So damn understated.

180 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:43:22am

re: #168 The Sanity Inspector

But it is Detroit!

Actually, Dearborn is a completely separate city.

And the burning of abandoned homes that were being turned into crack dens - or worse - isn’t exactly an activity I can criticize. At the peak of media attention to this problem, when there were hundreds of fires set, there was an interview with a resident of one of the most heavily plagued neighborhoods, and I will never, ever forget his simple statement:

“If the city would come in and tear these places down, we wouldn’t have to burn them down.”

Word.

181 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can you imagine having those guys seriously looking for you? Would really, really suck.

Like they say, “Sucks to be you!”

182 Kragar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dr. Egon Spengler: Well, let’s say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning’s reading, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
Winston Zeddemore: That’s a big Twinkie.

Ernie Hudson is totally ignored, but he was great in that movie. So damn understated.

If there’s a steady paycheck involved, I’ll believe anything you say.

183 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:43:57am

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He (or, rather, the character he played) got killed on Heroes recently.

184 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:45:20am

re: #175 rwdflynavy

Dogs and Cats living together! Real Wrath of God type stuff!

There wouldn’t be a problem except for dickless here!

Wait… is this true?

It’s true, this man has no…

185 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:45:33am
186 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:46:16am

re: #176 Guanxi88

It’s a huge mystery — there have been all sorts of proposed explanations, but no one has solved it thus far (with one foot, the forensics people were able to do a DNA analysis, and by sheer luck, the deceased was identified — his relatives had filed a missing person’s report, and they believe it was a suicide…but all the other feet remain a mystery…)

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #184 SteveC

re: #185 JasonA

Heh. 13 seconds.

188 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:46:39am

Transvestites on trial for theft

SHANGHAI (Reuters) – Five Filipino transvestites have gone on trial in Shanghai, accused of drugging men with adulterated foods before robbing them in a city with a reputation for an adventurous nightlife.

Prosecutors told a Shanghai court on Tuesday the five men “dressed as women and, after leading the victims into taxis or hotel rooms, induced them to eat chocolate and other foods laced with sleeping drugs,” the Xinhua news agency reported on Wednesday.

The men then robbed their victims, taking mobile phones, credit cards, and a Rolex watch. They then uses the cards to buy perfume and gold, the prosecutors said.

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:46:49am

By the way, Bill Murray is in the movie “Zombieland”. His time on the screen alone is worth the price of the admission to the movie.

190 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #175 rwdflynavy

Dogs and Cats living together! Real Wrath of God type stuff!

Dr. Raymond Stantz: Everything was fine until our power grid was shut off by Dickless here.
Walter Peck: They caused an explosion!
Mayor: Is this true?
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yes, it’s true… This man has no dick.

191 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:46:56am

For the lunch crowd that missed this early this morning… a snow picture for Thursday…

Play… find the FOUR cars in this picture?

192 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:47:49am

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #185 JasonA

Heh. 13 seconds.

Faster than a speeding bullet… able to pull movie quotes out of our asses in a single bound…

193 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:48:12am

I got my nephew Ghostbusters I and II on dvd for his 9th birthday. He likes them a lot, which is a good sign.

194 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:48:35am

re: #162 JasonA

If it’s not an R win it’s going to be hideously dificult.

Steele clearly is an empty suit paying lipservice to all areas of the party - but if Hoffman wins they may decide to replace him with a True Believer.

195 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:48:40am

re: #168 The Sanity Inspector

But it is Detroit!

heh…”I wanted to see Detroit win. I’ve been there. It’s like God took a shit on a parking lot. They deserve some good news.”

[Link: twitter.com…]

196 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:01am

re: #192 SteveC

And such a quotable movie it is.

Ray, when someone asks you if you’re a god, you say “YES”!

197 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:13am

re: #193 Mad Al-Jaffee

I got my nephew Ghostbusters I and II on dvd for his 9th birthday. He likes them a lot, which is a good sign.

Strong in him the Force will be, yes!

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:30am
199 Kragar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:42am

re: #190 Honorary Yooper

Dr. Raymond Stantz: Everything was fine until our power grid was shut off by Dickless here.
Walter Peck: They caused an explosion!
Mayor: Is this true?
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yes, it’s true… This man has no dick.

“So be good for goodness sake! Somebody’s coming!”

200 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:44am

re: #197 SteveC

Strong in him the Force will be, yes!

Funny you should say that - he’s also a Star Wars fan.

201 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:57am

re: #196 JasonA

Don’t cross the streams.

202 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:50:06am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

All of the sample sizes for NY-23 polling have involved less than 600 polled, that gives a margin of error far larger than one should be comfortable with - probably around +/- 5% (if using 625 polled)

Given that kind of margin of error, the results are within the margin - too close to call if you accept the Kos poll methodologies. The Hoffman backed polling uses an even smaller sample size, meaning a greater margin of error (pushing 6% margin of error on 300 sampled).

203 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:50:21am

re: #194 wozzablog

I’d feel better if Dede just came ahead of Hoffman, but hope’s slipping away.

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:50:46am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

That is terrible and beautiful at the same time. Stay warm, Walter!

205 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:51:02am

re: #196 JasonA

And such a quotable movie it is.

I don’t have to take this abuse. I have people all over town waiting to abuse me.

206 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:51:06am

Apparently Ghostbusters III is in development. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or not.

207 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:51:16am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Fox has been pushing polls from the Hoffman camp that has Hoffman out ahead. It’s going to be messy any way around.

208 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #52 MandyManners

And, there is no established link between Detroit yesterday and California today.

Sometimes juxtapositions like this are just examples of random statistical clustering. We see patterns because of the proximity in time, and one or two shared elements.

209 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:51:48am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

For the lunch crowd that missed this early this morning… a snow picture for Thursday…

Play… find the FOUR cars in this picture?

I found 8 Smart Cars. What do I win?

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:51:49am

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is terrible and beautiful at the same time. Stay warm, Walter!

He can make a bear skin coat if they keep fucking with his garbage cans!!

211 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:52:12am

Not good.

Police on heightened alert after followers’ threats

Hopefully they can trace these calls and round up all of them.

212 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:52:20am

re: #206 Mad Al-Jaffee

Apparently Ghostbusters III is in development. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or not.

Then the previous quote will change to:

Don’t … cross … the … streams …

213 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:53:17am

re: #205 SteveC

I don’t have to take this abuse. I have people all over town waiting to abuse me.

Are you the Gatekeeper?

214 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #212 imp_62

Then the previous quote will change to:

Don’t … cross … the … streams …

Viva Viagra, boys! See you on the other side!

215 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:53:36am

re: #54 Baier

I have a feeling Detroit is going to get much more scary. If you read Atlas Shrugged, the way the old car towns are described in the book is verisimilitudinous.

I dunno. For Europeans like Rand, the dark cloud of tyranny is forever descending upon America. But, in real life, it only ever touches ground in the Old Country. Detroit will find a way back, somehow.

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:54:13am

re: #209 Mad Al-Jaffee

Sure that wasn’t 80?

They ain’t that smart. Seen the youtube crash tests?

There’s one where a Smart car is totaled by a gnat.

217 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:55:45am

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sure that wasn’t 80?

They ain’t that smart. Seen the youtube crash tests?

There’s one where a Smart car is totaled by a gnat.

View, watch, be horrified.

218 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:55:58am

re: #213 Honorary Yooper

He slimed me!

219 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:56:13am

re: #180 SixDegrees

Actually, Dearborn is a completely separate city

Dearborn was one of the last cities to desegregate and was virtually all white in the early seventies.
It’s population today is only about 1% African American and is 30% Arab, with a majority of those being Lebanese. Source

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:56:21am

re: #213 Honorary Yooper

Are you the Gatekeeper?

“Do you want this body?”
“Is that a trick question?”

221 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:56:29am

I have started reading the most recent Terry Pratchett book, Unseen Academicals. It is a sad commentary indeed on current affiars when politics, theology and science on the Disc World make more sense than here on Earth.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:57:16am

Okay, back to our boyz! the FBI.

Hooray!

223 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:57:57am

Whatever you do, don’t look at the trap.

I looked at the trap, Ray.

224 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:06am

re: #218 Mad Al-Jaffee

He slimed me!

That slime is positively charged. He’ll wake up feeling like a million bucks

225 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:14am

re: #215 The Sanity Inspector

I dunno. For Europeans like Rand, the dark cloud of tyranny is forever descending upon America. But, in real life, it only ever touches ground in the Old Country. Detroit will find a way back, somehow.

Not back. Detroit is never going to return to what it once was.

It may very well remake itself into something new. But those who perennially tout a “rebirth” are full of it.

For examples of successes, however, Cleveland leaps to mind. So does Pittsburgh. Both are still rough around the edges, but they’ve hauled themselves up tremendously over the last few years. So we know it’s possible.

Flushing the entire City Council down the toilet and replacing them with people who can read above a third grade level would be an excellent start.

226 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:17am

re: #221 imp_62

the Patrician for VP…

Cthullu/Patrician 2012

227 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:26am

re: #223 Ben Hur

I fixed your link to the CAIR story, btw.

228 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:31am

We interrupt our regularly scheduled movie quote contest to be serious for just a moment…

The Letter

February 25, 1967

We have just returned from the hospital. We talked with one of our doctors and he seemed pleased with Steven’s progress…I am beginning to feel a little better about him now.

A Heart Dad for five months, my father had already done what was needed: driven me from South Carolina to Johns Hopkins, the best hospital in world, in the middle of a terrible snowstorm.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:42am

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

HOW DARE YOU BRING GHOSTBUSTERS II INTO THIS!?!?
/

230 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:59:00am

re: #227 imp_62

I fixed your link to the CAIR story, btw.

Thank you.

What was the problem?

231 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:59:08am

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sure that wasn’t 80?

They ain’t that smart. Seen the youtube crash tests?

There’s one where a Smart car is totaled by a gnat.

And the gnat walked away!

232 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #230 Ben Hur

Thank you.

What was the problem?

I have no clue. Sometimes the url for a story will change following editing.

233 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #223 Ben Hur

Maybe now you’ll never slime a guy with a positron collider huh?

234 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:01:35am

re: #229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HOW DARE YOU BRING GHOSTBUSTERS II INTO THIS!?!?
/

I thought it was a good movie. And I saw the sequel before I saw an unedited version of the original.

235 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:01:36am

re: #231 SteveC

And the gnat walked away!

This one is interesting from a design standpoint regarding small cars.

236 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:02:22am

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is terrible and beautiful at the same time. Stay warm, Walter!

I’m warm. I have a radiant heater next to my desk and a table top fan behind it to turn it into a blowing heater… the house is relatively ok… about 60 degrees.

It’s currently 18 degrees outside and still snowing lightly. Most of the heavy part of the storm is now moving east into the Colorado plains… blizzard conditions out there.

237 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:03:27am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That’s the bedroom, but nothing ever happened in there.
What a crime. /Venkman

She’s not my girlfriend. I find her interesting because she’s a client and she sleeps above her covers … four feet above her covers!

/IN BED!

238 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:03:48am

“I like her because she sleeps above the covers. Four feet above the covers.”

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:04:15am

Ever seen the TV show “After People”? They use Detroit as an example of what happens when towns are abandoned.

Not the exact stat (don’t know where to look for it) but something like of the 150 square miles that make up the city of Detroit, 60 are completely abandoned.

SixDegrees? That about right?

240 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:04:31am

re: #225 SixDegrees

For examples of successes, however, Cleveland leaps to mind. So does Pittsburgh. Both are still rough around the edges, but they’ve hauled themselves up tremendously over the last few years. So we know it’s possible.

There was an opinion piece written by Newt Gingrich a few months ago about how Cleveland had rebuilt itself with a lot of the new jobs coming from the Medical Industry field. High tech medicine (In other words, the Cleveland Clinic) is attracting highly educated, high income healthcare workers who know how to run/monitor/adjust all the new medical wizardry.

Pittsburgh is coming back in the same way. They aren’t as well known, but if you need a Liver Transplant, Pittsburgh is high on the list of places to go.

241 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:04:33am

re: #225 SixDegrees

Flushing the entire City Council down the toilet and replacing them with people who can read above a third grade level would be an excellent start.

Electing someone like Bing is a good start however.

242 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

I thought it was a good movie. And I saw the sequel before I saw an unedited version of the original.

243 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:05:48am

re: #237 lawhawk

That’s the bedroom, but nothing ever happened in there.
What a crime. /Venkman

She’s not my girlfriend. I find her interesting because she’s a client and she sleeps above her covers … four feet above her covers!

/IN BED!

OVER THE BED!!

244 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:07:33am

re: #221 imp_62

I have started reading the most recent Terry Pratchett book, Unseen Academicals. It is a sad commentary indeed on current affiars when politics, theology and science on the Disc World make more sense than here on Earth.

And for those with the hopefully temporary misfortune of not knowing who Terry Pratchett is…

“The best thing you can do with peasants is leave them alone. Let them get on with it. When people who can read and write start fighting on behalf of people who can’t, you just end up with another kind of stupidity. If you want help them, build a big library or something somewhere and leave the door open.” -
_Interesting Times_

- “DID YOU SAY HUMANS PLAY IT [bridge] FOR FUN?”
- “Some of them get to be very good at it, yes. I’m only an amateur, I’m afraid”
- “BUT THEY ONLY LIVE EIGHTY OR NINETY YEARS!”
— The Light Fantastic

A Thaum is the basic unit of magical strength. It has been universally established as the amount of magic needed to create one small white pigeon or three normal sized billiard balls.
— ibid

He moved in a way that suggested he was attempting the world speed record for the nonchalant walk.
— ibid

Something small and distant broke through the cloud layer, trailing shreds of vapour. In the stratospheric calm the sounds of bickering came sharp and clear. “You said you could fly one of these things!” “No I didn’t; I just said you couldn’t!”
— ibid

The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that’s where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won’t do if they don’t know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight.
— Eric

The shortest unit of time in the multiverse in the New York Second, defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green and the cab behind you honking.
— Lords and Ladies

In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
— ibid

Of course, just because we’ve heard a spine-chilling, blood-curdling scream of the sort to make your very marrow freeze in your bones doesn’t automatically mean there’s anything wrong.
— Soul Music

245 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:08:16am

re: #229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HOW DARE YOU BRING GHOSTBUSTERS II INTO THIS!?!?
/

I blame myself.

246 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:09:54am

re: #245 The Sanity Inspector

I blame myself.

So do I.

247 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:09:57am

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever seen the TV show “After People”? They use Detroit as an example of what happens when towns are abandoned.

Not the exact stat (don’t know where to look for it) but something like of the 150 square miles that make up the city of Detroit, 60 are completely abandoned.

SixDegrees? That about right?

I haven’t heard any actual statistics, but that sounds about right. There are huge tracts of what were once neighborhoods that now look like Beirut after the war. The same is true for areas that were once business districts and industrial centers.

The city is currently enjoying an up and coming industry - Hollywood. We’ve become the favorite spot for directors who want that post-apocalyptic look on a low budget.

248 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:11:27am

re: #241 Honorary Yooper

Electing someone like Bing is a good start however.

I agree. And ousting Conyers was another.

249 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:11:58am

re: #180 SixDegrees

Actually, Dearborn is a completely separate city.

Don’t make it sound as if they’re totally disjointed. A jaunt east on Michigan Ave from the center of Dearborn and you’re in Detroit as soon as you go under I 75

250 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:12:00am

re: #247 SixDegrees

I haven’t heard any actual statistics, but that sounds about right. There are huge tracts of what were once neighborhoods that now look like Beirut after the war. The same is true for areas that were once business districts and industrial centers.

The city is currently enjoying an up and coming industry - Hollywood. We’ve become the favorite spot for directors who want that post-apocalyptic look on a low budget.

Sounds like what the Bronx had become 25 years ago… the movie “Wolfen” was filmed all over the rotted out districts and apartment buildings… same with the movie “Batteries Not Included.”

251 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:13:36am

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Detriot?
200 years later?
No people?
Did it look any better than it does now?
//

252 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:14:49am

This is my favourite quote (sa far) from Invisible Academics:

He was irreplaceable, just like every other Candle Knave before him.

253 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:14:54am

re: #248 SixDegrees

I agree. And ousting Conyers was another.

John Conyers was ousted? When ??

254 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:16:57am

EarthQuake on the Afghan/ Paki border

Hope LOTS AND LOTS of Al Quada are were there

255 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:18:07am

re: #249 sattv4u2

Actually, Dearborn is a completely separate city.

Don’t make it sound as if they’re totally disjointed. A jaunt east on Michigan Ave from the center of Dearborn and you’re in Detroit as soon as you go under I 75

Sure. But the same is true of Ferndale, Grosse Pointe, Hazel Park and many other cities that border on or are very close to Detroit. The problems Detroit has that so often catapult it into the national spotlight are largely unique to the city of Detroit itself, and aren’t shared by the surrounding cities.

256 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:19:40am

re: #253 sattv4u2

John Conyers was ousted? When ??

No - his idiot wife, Monica, former Detroit City Council member. Guilty of fraud in the use of city funds.

John was nowhere in sight during the whole nasty affair. Didn’t want to get any on him.

257 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:26:43am

re: #256 SixDegrees

No - his idiot wife, Monica, former Detroit City Council member. Guilty of fraud in the use of city funds.

John was nowhere in sight during the whole nasty affair. Didn’t want to get any on him.

He doesn’t need any on him. He’s odious enough all on his own

258 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:30:09am

re: #257 sattv4u2

He doesn’t need any on him. He’s odious enough all on his own

I was really, really hoping the Feds would be able to connect his wife’s misdeeds to John. But no such luck.

Yet.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:30:16am

re: #55 albusteve

I was being snide…so that shooting was a hate crime against Jews…I hope it’s prosecuted that way…I learned alot last night

All the news items I’ve seen say that it will be prosecuted as a hate crime.

260 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:33:28am

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

All the news items I’ve seen say that it will be prosecuted as a hate crime.

And it should be.

261 rwdflynavy  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:34:53am

re: #237 lawhawk

That’s the bedroom, but nothing ever happened in there.
What a crime. /Venkman

She’s not my girlfriend. I find her interesting because she’s a client and she sleeps above her covers … four feet above her covers!

/IN BED!


OK, so she’s a dog.

262 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:38:18am

re: #258 SixDegrees

I was really, really hoping the Feds would be able to connect his wife’s misdeeds to John. But no such luck.

Yet.

Hell,,, if they won’t even bust (or in congress, even censure) Rangle, well,,, I won’t go on as I value my LGF account!

263 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:41:54am

re: #137 Killgore Trout

That was my first reaction too. He’s really nutty but he says he reported it to the police so if he’s lying someone will check the police report and bust him. He’s extreme enough that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that some people might want to threaten him. I’m sure Beck gets lots of death threats too.

I don’t know one way or another, but so far the only “story” I’ve seen is really a PR release from an anti-immigration pac. Anyone see a story from real press on this?

264 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:48:06am

re: #263 Thanos

I don’t know one way or another, but so far the only “story” I’ve seen is really a PR release from an anti-immigration pac. Anyone see a story from real press on this?

Update: It is a real story posted one thread up, police were called, and slug was retrieved.

265 Eowyn2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:16:36pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Not good.

Police on heightened alert after followers’ threats

Hopefully they can trace these calls and round up all of them.

I’m getting a “night Chicago died” feeling with all this.

266 Pepper Fox  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:38:13pm

I find it interesting that a lot of black males are converting to Islam. I don’t know if they are a higher proportion of extremist level of Islam, but it sure seems to be. Is this the new generation’s version of the black panthers? I’d like to research more in to the trend sometime.

267 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:36:37pm

I remember the topic of Lewis Farrakhan’s speech at the “Million Man March”: get a job, get off the drugs, start taking a bigger role in raising your families.

If American Islam is promoting values like that among young black males, then I have no problem with it.

268 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:44:56pm

So, fighting terrorism by old school legal methods is effective? We can ratchet down the “tired of swatting at flies” efforts of total war? Gee, who would have had so much faith in US federal methods? Oh, I know! Democrats!


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