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1 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:08:10pm

Ry Cooder is just the best. I think he did the music for Rabbit Ears Radio presentation of Pecos Bill a while back..excellent stuff.

2 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:09:28pm

That being said, I'm still fighting the stupid virus I was working on all day Tuesday and most of last night. Some of these can be incredibly nasty.

3 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:09:58pm

"I, Flathead" is a song cycle about a guy, his car, his band, and some girl.

4 freetoken  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:12:46pm

re: #3 Charles

Listening to the previews on iTunes, I remain amazed at how Cooder's music can span different genres.

5 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:15:03pm

re: #2 PT Barnum

That being said, I'm still fighting the stupid virus I was working on all day Tuesday and most of last night. Some of these can be incredibly nasty.

What's a "stupid virus"? Is that the kind of virus that infects your brain forces you to post at The Deuce?

///

6 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:18:42pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

If this one was only that simple...

it's a patching virus which proceeds to infect damn near all of your system files.

On top of that the client had another virus that actively prevents running most antivirus and anti malware utilities.

Finally had to pull the hard drive, save the virus files as txt files and replace them with text files with .dll extensions so they couldn't load, but would look like they were still there so the virus wouldn't recreate them. That got it to the point where I could actually run the rootkit utility to clean up the remaining pieces.

Yeesh...Good thing I get paid by the hour for this stuff.

7 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:19:48pm

Ry Cooder did made an interesting record with Ali Farka Toure, including a version of this song, Diaraby (unfortunately the version with Ry Cooder seems to have been pulled from youtube):

8 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:21:10pm

re: #6 PT Barnum

If this one was only that simple...

it's a patching virus which proceeds to infect damn near all of your system files.

On top of that the client had another virus that actively prevents running most antivirus and anti malware utilities.

Finally had to pull the hard drive, save the virus files as txt files and replace them with text files with .dll extensions so they couldn't load, but would look like they were still there so the virus wouldn't recreate them. That got it to the point where I could actually run the rootkit utility to clean up the remaining pieces.

Yeesh...Good thing I get paid by the hour for this stuff.

That's a nasty one. Glad you know how to get rid of it. Now I know who I'm going to ask if I have a virus problem.

9 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:22:51pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

What's a "stupid virus"? Is that the kind of virus that infects your brain forces you to post at The Deuce?

///

There's one doing the rounds at the moment that causes the victim to remain here but pine weepily for the 'good people' who are posting over there now.

10 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:27:08pm

re: #9 Jimmah

There's one doing the rounds at the moment that causes the victim to remain here but pine weepily for the 'good people' who are posting over there now.

I contracted that virus briefly. Charles cured me by whacking me upside the head with a clue-by-four.

11 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:28:19pm

Tea Party Movement Returns, This Time with Much More Dangerous and Explicit Rhetoric

By Frank Schaeffer

According to the "Tea Party" website, Tea Party Express II: Countdown To Judgment Day" is underway.
...
If you buy the biblical spin of the Religious Right folks -- that make up the bulk of the Tea Party movement -- the implication is clear: Jesus will soon return, send all Democrats, gays, blacks, progressives, liberals, college-educated unbelievers, etc., to Hell, while saving what Sarah Palin calls "us" "Real Americans" -- in other words unreconstructed frightened and resentful white lower middle class Americans.

(As a former right wing evangelical anti-abortion leader who built a good career from these folks -- until I quit in disgust with myself, the anti-American nature of the movement and the takeover the Republican Party by extremists -- I know of what I speak.)

If you put the secular/right's "tree-of-Liberty-must-be-watered-by-the-blood-of-tyrants-Timothy McVeigh spin on the Judgment Day scenario; then there will soon be a hoped for bloody day of reckoning for the occupant of the White House.
...,
When the Tea Party folks say they want to "take back our country" who do they want to take it back from?

12 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:30:19pm

The Beat That My Heart Skipped, by Dan Le Sac and Scroobius pip.

This is the beat that my heart skipped when we first met
Now that I've heard it, it leaves me with a kind of regret
No disrespect
We just left a lot of people upset
And what we had wasn't really what we'd come to expect

13 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:32:01pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Tea Party Movement Returns, This Time with Much More Dangerous and Explicit Rhetoric

By Frank Schaeffer

Why do I get the feeling that the Bad Craziness is about to turn deadly?

14 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:33:58pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout


When the Tea Party folks say they want to "take back our country" who do they want to take it back from?

That is a good question. Who?

15 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:35:07pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I got the same feeling. It does not feel good.

16 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:36:02pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I'm very nervous about the passage of healthcare reform. There's a lot over over the top rhetoric and it seems like a possible trigger. Hopefully the wingnuts are getting numb to all the fascism hysteria. Glenn Beck can only get them so wound up before the audience gets burned out.

17 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:36:44pm

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

When the Tea Party folks say they want to "take back our country" who do they want to take it back from?

That is a good question. Who?

Me.

18 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:38:07pm

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

Democracy isn't working for the right anymore. That's why there's so much talk of revolution, coups, secession, etc. A victory at the ballot box is not an option for them these days.

19 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:39:25pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Yes. That is how some people feel.

20 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:39:29pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

I contracted that virus briefly. Charles cured me by whacking me upside the head with a clue-by-four.

You tend to listen to criticism and genuinely think about what is said to you, DF - a very commendable quality. One thing that unites virtually all the deucers is an inability to do that.

And speaking of the virus, there's a particularly nasty strain in which the victim lashes out at those they feel are responsible for the loss of their deuce buddies (whereas of course the only people really responsible for their being there is themselves).

21 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:40:33pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I'm very nervous about the passage of healthcare reform. There's a lot over over the top rhetoric and it seems like a possible trigger. Hopefully the wingnuts are getting numb to all the fascism hysteria. Glenn Beck can only get them so wound up before the audience gets burned out.

I believe that issue will be far lessened if that passage does not contain a "public option". People are justly scared of such a thing and intend to contribute towards its defeat.

22 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:42:48pm

Oh my the Phillies and Yankees are tied at 1. I am trying to keep an eye on the score and this thread.

23 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:43:50pm
24 Pepper Fox  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:46:05pm

I usually love the music up here, but this I just didn't really like : the voice bothered me and it sounded a tad country. Anyone else think so?

25 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:46:37pm

re: #24 Pepper Fox

I usually love the music up here, but this I just didn't really like : the voice bothered me and it sounded a tad country. Anyone else think so?

26 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:48:24pm

Excellent tune-age.

Thanks!

27 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:51:36pm

re: #24 Pepper Fox

I usually love the music up here, but this I just didn't really like : the voice bothered me and it sounded a tad country. Anyone else think so?

I just cannot believe you said that about Ry Cooder. What did you expect?

28 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:52:41pm

re: #20 Jimmah

Sharmuta - I'm puzzled - why would you downding that? You are upset that I would criticise those kind of people?

29 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:54:18pm

re: #28 Jimmah

You are upset that I would criticise those kind of people?

No- just mischaracterizing a person who is savagely abused by those people as having any sympathy for them. Your hyperbole needs reigning in.

30 TedStriker  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:56:18pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Democracy isn't working for the right anymore. That's why there's so much talk of revolution, coups, secession, etc. A victory at the ballot box is not an option for them these days.

I agree mostly, but with a caveat...not all on the right are f**ked-in-the-head End Times fundies, Paulians, racists, or bigots, although it's getting real hard to dispute that with all of the ruckus the aforementioned f**ktards have been raising ever since the election.

31 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:00:01pm

re: #30 talon_262

I agree mostly, but with a caveat...not all on the right are f**ked-in-the-head End Times fundies, Paulians, racists, or bigots, although it's getting real hard to dispute that with all of the ruckus the aforementioned f**ktards have been raising ever since the election.

Goodness knows that human beings cannot make up their own bloody, fucking minds without the MFM/Internet directing their every move.

32 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:00:19pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

I believe that issue will be far lessened if that passage does not contain a "public option". People are justly scared of such a thing and intend to contribute towards its defeat.

I'm not convinced that a public option is de facto scary-- I think it's more like there's a lot of inchoate anxiety and anger out there for various reasons and the public option happens to be something the wingnuts have seized on to frighten people. If it hadn't been that, it would have been something else (Death panels! Euthanasia! etc.)

It's remarkable how little informed discussion has been taking place about a public option (or anything else). Instead we get scared senior citizens on medicare bussed into townhalls and crying that they don't want government run health care. (!) -- and weirdos carrying weapons to townhalls and pretending it's no big deal while GOP congressmen defend the practice or encourage it. It's scary.
There are good discussions to have about the viability and sustainability of a public option. For the most part, they haven't been happening.

33 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:01:27pm

Reaping is not always pleasant.

34 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:03:10pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

You are upset that I would criticise those kind of people?

No- just mischaracterizing a person who is savagely abused by those people as having any sympathy for them. Your hyperbole needs reigning in.

Excuse me? You got all that from where? Because it's not in my post. I made a very general observation of a pattern of behaviour we have seen many many times here. Evidently you identify this pattern of behaviour with someone you know.

35 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:03:44pm

re: #7 Jimmah

Ry Cooder did made an interesting record with Ali Farka Toure, including a version of this song, Diaraby (unfortunately the version with Ry Cooder seems to have been pulled from youtube):


[Video]

Nice!

36 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:05:21pm

re: #34 Jimmah

No- you were being coy. I made assumptions, which I shouldn't have done, but perhaps instead of being coy, you'd like to name these people who you seem to think are sympathetic to 2.

37 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:05:40pm

re: #35 Racer X

Nice!

Indeed! Ali Farka Toure was rated no 77 in the Rolling Stone greatest guitarists of all time list :)

38 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:06:58pm

I got to get up early tomorrow. Good Night Fellow Lizards.

39 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:09:21pm

But, hey! Soros is here to save the day! He's giving $50,000,000.00 to SAVE US FROM FREE MARKETS!!!

"Large swaths of economics are going to have to be rethought on the basis of what's happened." So said Larry Summers, President Obama's chief economic adviser, in an interview in the weeks after the markets crashed a year ago. Yet to a remarkable degree, economic thinking hasn't changed very much at all.

Now financier George Soros is announcing a $50 million effort to speed things along. This week Soros is gathering some of the leading practitioners of the market-skeptic school, who were marginalized during the era of "free-market fundamentalism," among them Nobelists Joseph Stiglitz, George Akerlof, Michael Spence, and Sir James Mirrlees. He's also creating an "Institute for New Economic Thinking" to make research grants, convene symposiums, and establish a journal, all in an effort to take back the economics profession from the champions of free-market zealotry who have dominated it for decades, and to correct the failures of decades of market deregulation. Soros hopes matching funds will bring the total endowment up to $200 million. "Economics has failed not only to predict and explain what happened but has also failed to protect society," says Robert Johnson, a former managing director at Soros Fund Management, who will direct the new institute. "That's what the crisis revealed. The paradigm has failed. There is no guidance."

SNIP

Yeah. The same man who is not allowed in France and who trashed the Bank of England. And, the same whom some would call a "KAPO" for what he did to Hungarian Jews. Oh, and let's not forget about his blaming anti-Semitism on the U.S.'s policies in Israel.

I wonder how many reporters at Newsweek have been treated to sabbaticals financed by Soros.

40 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:11:46pm

re: #32 iceweasel

I think that the "public option" is scary for a lot of people, for a couple of reasons.
1) They don't really know what "public option" means, having always had private insurance.
2) They DO know what "public option" means, having had Medicare experience.

Myself, I am very skeptical that the government can do anything better than the private sector. Particularly when it comes to spending MY money.

But, hey, it's just my opinion.

41 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:12:39pm

re: #28 Jimmah

Sharmuta - I'm puzzled - why would you downding that? You are upset that I would criticise those kind of people?

A pretty odd comment (or sentiment) to take issue with, unless someone is looking for a fight.

In any case-- have you read the alternet link Killgore posted above? It's by that guy Frank Schaffer, the ex-fundie/anti-abortion guy. Good stuff:

When the Tea Party folks say they want to "take back our country" who do they want to take it back from? It turns out it's going to be taken back from the democratic process itself. The effort here is to reverse the last election result.

In this scenario any time there is not a white, wealthy, far right Republican in the White House and any time Congress isn't controlled by the far (white) right of the Republican Party, then the country has been "stolen" from "us" "Real Americans."

Since democracy is not so easily undone, the implication is that to "take back" America must needs involve, not votes but "Judgment Day." In the view of the right Democracy Herself has failed "we" good God-fearing, "birther" "deather" "he lied!" "Obama is Hitler!" Americans. So we must now turn to "other means."

I think that totally nails it.

42 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:12:40pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

No- you were being coy. I made assumptions, which I shouldn't have done, but perhaps instead of being coy, you'd like to name these people who you seem to think are sympathetic to 2.

No, I made a general observation that up until a few days ago you would have updinged. What changed?

Btw most of the ones who exhibited the pattern of behaviour I described flounced, or were blocked and are over there now. And in the behaviour I am talking about the issue is almost always couched in terms of a defence of specific 2.0 posters, not the site as a whole.

43 flywheel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:13:55pm

re: #3 Charles

Are you familiar with some southern faire like Bruce Hampton (the Col. retired)? Just curious.

44 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:13:57pm

re: #37 Jimmah

Indeed! Ali Farka Toure was rated no 77 in the Rolling Stone greatest guitarists of all time list :)

Ali Farka Touré 'Amandrai'

45 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:14:13pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

I think that the "public option" is scary for a lot of people, for a couple of reasons.
1) They don't really know what "public option" means, having always had private insurance.
2) They DO know what "public option" means, having had Medicare experience.

Myself, I am very skeptical that the government can do anything better than the private sector. Particularly when it comes to spending MY money.

But, hey, it's just my opinion.

hey cutie! What's up?
And yours is a very good opinion too. I don't think I can disagree with it, personally.

46 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:16:33pm

re: #41 iceweasel

A pretty odd comment (or sentiment) to take issue with, unless someone is looking for a fight.

That would be your friend who started talking about other Lizards.

re: #42 Jimmah

Again- you don't bring an actual example of who is displaying this behavior, but you did reference someone's comment- didn't you. You're hyperbole is still out of control. Carry on with you character assassination- I'm not playing along with you on this subject anymore.

47 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:17:08pm

All is good here in LALA Land.
And with you?
Soros taking care of you?
///

48 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:20:31pm

re: #39 MandyManners

But, hey! Soros is here to save the day! He's giving $50,000,000.00 to SAVE US FROM FREE MARKETS!!!

"Large swaths of economics are going to have to be rethought on the basis of what's happened." So said Larry Summers, President Obama's chief economic adviser, in an interview in the weeks after the markets crashed a year ago. Yet to a remarkable degree, economic thinking hasn't changed very much at all.

SNIP

Yeah. The same man who is not allowed in France and who trashed the Bank of England. And, the same whom some would call a "KAPO" for what he did to Hungarian Jews. Oh, and let's not forget about his blaming anti-Semitism on the U.S.'s policies in Israel.

I wonder how many reporters at Newsweek have been treated to sabbaticals financed by Soros.

Quite Concur. Soros has never liked economic freedom much, and now he's out to destroy it. It is imperative that that $50 be tracked and anyone taking it be exposed. Soros must be stopped.

49 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:20:38pm

re: #47 Floral Giraffe

All is good here in LALA Land.
And with you?
Soros taking care of you?
///

Heh. Yep, between the Soros checks and the seekrit Obama funds I'm feeling frisky!

50 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:20:58pm

re: #47 Floral Giraffe

All is good here in LALA Land.
And with you?
Soros taking care of you?
///


spew

51 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:21:54pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

That would be your friend who started talking about other Lizards.

re: #42 Jimmah

Again- you don't bring an actual example of who is displaying this behavior, but you did reference someone's comment- didn't you. You're hyperbole is still out of control. Carry on with you character assassination- I'm not playing along with you on this subject anymore.

Sorry to say, the only person I've seen talking about specific other lizards here would be...you.

52 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:22:13pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Soros has never liked economic freedom much, and now he's out to destroy it. It is imperative that that $50 be tracked and anyone taking it be exposed. Soros must be stopped.

Follow the money.

53 Blue Fin  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:22:47pm

Wasn't Cooder the guitarist that actually played the slide during the duel scene in the Cross Roads movie back in 1986? Good movie great duel

54 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:22:57pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

That would be your friend who started talking about other Lizards.

re: #42 Jimmah

Again- you don't bring an actual example of who is displaying this behavior, but you did reference someone's comment- didn't you. You're hyperbole is still out of control. Carry on with you character assassination- I'm not playing along with you on this subject anymore.

Please tell me what comment I am supposed to be referencing, then we'll discuss how much of my comment applies to it.

55 cliffster  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:23:11pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Democracy isn't working for the right anymore. That's why there's so much talk of revolution, coups, secession, etc. A victory at the ballot box is not an option for them these days.

So what you're saying is that the entire right is characterized by talk of revolution, coups, and secession? And that victory at the ballot box is out of the question give the, what, 4 years its been since Republicans controlled both Congress and the White House?

56 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:29:11pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

That would be your friend who started talking about other Lizards.

re: #42 Jimmah

Again- you don't bring an actual example of who is displaying this behavior, but you did reference someone's comment- didn't you. You're hyperbole is still out of control. Carry on with you character assassination- I'm not playing along with you on this subject anymore.

That's not what they are doing Sharm. My comment was:

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

I contracted that virus briefly. Charles cured me by whacking me upside the head with a clue-by-four.

It refers to an incident where I praised Iron Fist here, and got in trouble with Charles for so doing. I did not respect his rules and I praised someone who treats good people like dirt, so Charles was right to call me out for it. My post was intended to humorously call attention to the fact that I had gotten into trouble for doing what Jimmah had mentioned.

57 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:30:25pm

Soros at LGF.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

58 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:31:12pm

re: #55 cliffster

So what you're saying is that the entire right is characterized by talk of revolution, coups, and secession? And that victory at the ballot box is out of the question give the, what, 4 years its been since Republicans controlled both Congress and the White House?

I think all he was saying is that the electoral prospects for the GOP look pretty grim at the moment, and rather than regrouping and reorganising in a sensible fashion, they've chosen a path that alienates the sane right and sane conservatives, and doublesdown on the extremist rhetoric-- pandering to nirthers and teapartiers.
Least, that's how I read the comment.

59 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:31:27pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

This has nothing to do with you, DF. They know what they're doing, and think they're clever enough no one else is picking up on it.

60 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:31:39pm

re: #51 iceweasel

Sorry to say, the only person I've seen talking about specific other lizards here would be...you.

That's not quite accurate, I don't think.
This comment by Jimmah:

re: #9 Jimmah

There's one doing the rounds at the moment that causes the victim to remain here but pine weepily for the 'good people' who are posting over there now.

where he talks about "at the moment", and quotes "good people", is, I believe, a clear reference to this comment by Irish Rose made earlier today.

61 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:33:44pm

re: #60 reine.de.tout

where he talks about "at the moment", and quotes "good people", is, I believe, a clear reference to this comment by Irish Rose made earlier today.

Thanks for linking that, it reminded me to downding it. The rageball reading is high tonight.

62 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:34:06pm

I've only had 2 glasses of Guinness, but I'm aware of a disturbance in the force here. I've updinged Jimmah because of the Ali Farka Touré video, and Sharmuta is in a pissing match with both Ice and Jimmah. I feel weird.

No matter.

You go Sharm!

63 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:34:41pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

This has nothing to do with you, DF. They know what they're doing, and think they're clever enough no one else is picking up on it.

I've been saying that for months.

64 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:38:07pm

re: #63 Racer X

I've been saying that for months.

Soros is probably behind it. /

65 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:38:59pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

This has nothing to do with you, DF. They know what they're doing, and think they're clever enough no one else is picking up on it.

What are they doing?

66 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:39:21pm

re: #62 Racer X

I've only had 2 glasses of Guinness, but I'm aware of a disturbance in the force here. I've updinged Jimmah because of the Ali Farka Touré video, and Sharmuta is in a pissing match with both Ice and Jimmah. I feel weird.

No matter.

You go Sharm!

Must it be personal and not ideological?

67 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:41:16pm

Someone who attacks me because I speak out against George Soros.

68 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:41:43pm

Just what the previous post said.

69 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:45:06pm

re: #67 MandyManners

Someone who attacks me because I speak out against George Soros.

Neither FG nor myself was attacking you about Soros here, Mandy. The use of FG's goodnatured sarc tags should have been a big clue. It's pretty common for me to joke that Soros pays me to post here, and very common for others to joke about it too. (The paranoid types who believe it are all over at stalker blogs). It's not any kind of reference to you.

70 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:46:07pm

re: #67 MandyManners

Someone who attacks me because I speak out against George Soros.

I know, Mandy, I saw what was written, and I got whined at for pointing it out.

Ice, be honest with yourself for once.

71 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:46:32pm

re: #67 MandyManners

Updinged your 66, btw. In case it wasn't already clear I had, or that I agree with the sentiment.

72 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:47:22pm

re: #71 iceweasel

Updinged your 66, btw. In case it wasn't already clear I had, or that I agree with the sentiment.

Problem is, you do make it personal, Ice. I've watched it with several commentors.

73 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:49:21pm

re: #60 reine.de.tout

where he talks about "at the moment", and quotes "good people", is, I believe, a clear reference to this comment by Irish Rose made earlier today.

I actually didn't imagine that Rose was thinking about people on 2.0 when she referred to "good people" - but apparently you and Sharm did, since you identified it with a comment I made specifically about those who defend 2.0 posters.

But if that is the case and Sharm thought Rose was referring to 2.0 posters as "good people" then how can she also say that it is hyperbole to suggest she had sympathy for 2.0 posters - which is apparently why she downdinged me?

This is kind of freaky. There seems to be a lot of hostility and resentment here, and I think its almost all personal, not really about politics or anything at all. I'm out now on this topic - time to get back to the music again.

74 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:50:31pm

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

I know, Mandy, I saw what was written, and I got whined at for pointing it out.

Ice, be honest with yourself for once.

Jesus christ. I'll be off talking with the sane people now, about politics, rather than indulging the aching butthurt here.

re: #72 Honorary Yooper

Problem is, you do make it personal, Ice. I've watched it with several commentors.

This is an extremely instructive thread in terms of that accusation, where several butthurt people are repeatedly trying to 'make it personal' -- but not me.

75 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:50:33pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Falcon--

Someone has to go in there with the tranquilizer darts. I'm too young.
Where's RedShirt?

76 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:51:47pm

re: #73 Jimmah

re: #74 iceweasel

had noticed for couple of weeks now, particularly as I would look at what went on during overnight threads, that there seemed to be an attempt to bait and pile onto certain posters who seem to be those with a more conservative outlook. Mandy seems to be the particular target recently.

A lot of what went on at LGF when Iceweasel first registered came, of course, with posters who did their own baiting and squabbling. I didn’t like it when they piled onto Ice; and I don’t like it when I see Ice and Jimmah (and a few of the newbies who’ve picked up on it) doing it to some of the known conservatives remaining at LGF. Then when they respond, here comes the “butthurt” deflection and distraction from the topic or the issue.


There’s the baiting, and there’s also the putting words into people’s mouths, with snarky follow-up comments like, “Oh, so I guess you’re OK with thus & such evilness”, when the person NEVER SAID any such thing. It’s happened with me with some of the newer folks, and it’s not an honest attempt at communication nor is it an honest attempt to clarify what the person meant - it’s simply a way to plant a seed that perhaps the person being spoken of falls into the Beck-Malkin type of kookiness. I make an assumption that people say what they say in good faith, and I try not to read between the lines - but lately, the same courtesy is not being extended to those of us who have a more conservative outlook. And it’s made me more than a bit cranky.

So through my own observations, I’ve come to the conclusion that you and Jimmah (and perhaps a few of the newer ones) aren’t at LGF for the purpose of honestly hearing any point anyone else wants to make that doesn’t agree completely with your own. And now that the louder and more articulate conservative voices are gone (and make no mistake about it – I am sorely disappointed in those folks’ post-LGF behavior, regardless of what I thought about them while they were at LGF) – at any rate, now that the louder and more articulate voices are gone, there seems to be an effort to go after the remaining conservatives there. And I don’t like it. It’s dishonest.

77 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:52:23pm

re: #73 Jimmah

Again- no examples of who is doing this behavior you're describing. If you don't have an example, how can I be sure what you're talking about?

78 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:52:31pm

re: #74 iceweasel

Butthurt? You're the one trying to dole out butthurt, Ice. Apparently you either don't read what you wrote or you just don't care.

You pick fights and choose to go after specific commentors. It is your way, and you are not honest with yourself in failing to admit to it.

Piss off.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:53:35pm

re: #39 MandyManners

And, the same whom some would call a "KAPO" for what he did to Hungarian Jews.

I would not.

This is not a defense of Soros.

But as I have stated before, I am not OK with using the circumstances of his survival--as a young teenager--against him.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:54:52pm

re: #42 Jimmah

No, I made a general observation that up until a few days ago you would have updinged. What changed?

Btw most of the ones who exhibited the pattern of behaviour I described flounced, or were blocked and are over there now. And in the behaviour I am talking about the issue is almost always couched in terms of a defence of specific 2.0 posters, not the site as a whole.

I don't see a good outcome for this line of discussion.

81 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:56:17pm

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Thank you for that.

I've been feeling the same way but could not articulate it.

82 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:57:22pm

"This creature is not what she appears to be"
- Q

83 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:57:59pm

re: #76 reine.de.tout

re: #74 iceweasel
So through my own observations, I’ve come to the conclusion that you and Jimmah (and perhaps a few of the newer ones) aren’t at LGF for the purpose of honestly hearing any point anyone else wants to make that doesn’t agree completely with your own.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. You have yours. The best way I can disprove your opinion is to refuse to engage with people who are doing the baiting and piling on-- like Yooper, above.

As mentioned, I'll be off talking to the sane people about politics now upstairs, rather than contributing to a thread which is filled with comments that really aren't making LGF appealing to new readers, or to the vast majority of people who don't come here to read about the endlessly fascinating personal squabbles.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:58:44pm

re: #76 reine.de.tout

re: #74 iceweasel

had noticed for couple of weeks now, particularly as I would look at what went on during overnight threads, that there seemed to be an attempt to bait and pile onto certain posters who seem to be those with a more conservative outlook. Mandy seems to be the particular target recently.

I'm concerned as well, and I'm not remotely conservative. But I've watched several threads develop ugly edges out of nowhere. As a group, we have enough to fight about without adding to it.

85 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:59:01pm

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Sheer paranoia. I am happy to oppose instances of idiotarianism as they come up whatever their source, I do not sit and plot the elimination of conservative posters. Gosh the place could be pretty boring with no political variety at all.

86 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:59:12pm

re: #83 iceweasel

rather than contributing to a thread which is filled with comments that really aren't making LGF appealing to new readers, or to the vast majority of people who don't come here to read about the endlessly fascinating personal squabbles.

Which lately always seem to involve you, BTW. To the point threads have been closed because of you, so spare us the innocent routine. You're anything but, lady.

87 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:01:57pm

New readers to LGF are likely enthralled by the next to nightly discussions on "butthurt". [eye roll]

88 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:04:37pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

New readers to LGF are likely enthralled by the next to nightly discussions on "butthurt". [eye roll]

Yeah.

Sodomy is a real joke.

89 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:05:58pm

re: #77 Sharmuta

Again- no examples of who is doing this behavior you're describing. If you don't have an example, how can I be sure what you're talking about?

Reine has just told us she thought my comment about those who defend 2.0 posters was specifically referring to Roses comment about "good people" that ice has allegedly driven away. Is that what you thought too?

90 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:06:11pm

re: #86 Sharmuta

Which lately always seem to involve you, BTW. To the point threads have been closed because of you, so spare us the innocent routine. You're anything but, lady.

Because of me? I'm here...while the others who participated in those threads were banned or given timeouts.

It seems you think those weren't the right decisions. That isn't my problem. I'm not the person who makes the decisions.

I'm leaving this thread, and this conversation, now.

91 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:06:49pm

re: #76 reine.de.tout

However, it is Charles's blog.
Not yours, or mine, but Charles's.

92 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:07:06pm

re: #89 Jimmah

Examples are where?

93 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:07:10pm

re: #91 Floral Giraffe

However, it is Charles's blog.
Not yours, or mine, but Charles's.

Exactly.

94 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:07:24pm

re: #91 Floral Giraffe

However, it is Charles's blog.
Not yours, or mine, but Charles's.

Advice some wold be wise to remember.

95 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:09:33pm

re: #91 Floral Giraffe

However, it is Charles's blog.
Not yours, or mine, but Charles's.

YES it is.
I was strictly voicing my own opinion.

96 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:09:43pm

re: #86 Sharmuta

Which lately always seem to involve you, BTW. To the point threads have been closed because of you, so spare us the innocent routine. You're anything but, lady.

Hmmm. I wonder how many times ice and I will be attacked in the coming days by yourself, Rose, Reine, Yooper and Bloodnok - while claiming that WE are plotting.

97 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:10:21pm

re: #90 iceweasel

I apologized to Iceweasel & Jimmah last night for being offended at their use of the term "butthurt". And being the "word police".
It's MY problem if I'm offended at the words that other people use. If Charles is OK with those words, it is not my place to be correcting others.

Charles's blog, his rules.

Period.
End of discussion.

98 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:11:12pm

re: #96 Jimmah

Hmmm. I wonder how many times ice and I will be attacked in the coming days by yourself, Rose, Reine, Yooper and Bloodnok - while claiming that WE are plotting.

Jimmah, stop it. You're baiting people, again. I'm asking you nicely to stop it.

99 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:12:28pm

Ice and Jimmah:

Read #76 again, painful as that might be to you both.

She nails it.

Whether or not you have the intent, perception is everything. You may be wise to pay attention to how you are perceived.

/or not.

100 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:12:59pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

re: #93 iceweasel

re: #95 reine.de.tout

re: #96 Jimmah

Uhhh, can everyone chill please?

As one of the ones who can be quite acerbic and occasionally need to walk away and chill, I can say it takes one to know one.

This is a fight getting picked for no good reason.

Jimmah, Ice, I agree with you much more often then not. However, this honestly is starting to have the feel of a sandbox turf war. Arguing passionately and angrily about an issue is one thing. Arguing over who is the most appropriate type of Lizard and just stirring crap for the sake of it though is another matter.

101 plato  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:13:08pm

In the late 60's at Missouri University, I saw a concert by Arlo Guthrie. Ry Cooter was playing back up. After the show I hung around and spoke to Mr. Cooter.

He played slide acoustic guitar and I asked him about it. He said to get a brandy bottle with a flat neck, cut it off and don't listen to the contemporary guitar players but buy a album of some old black guy named Johnson and learn that way.

So I took a bottle to a car windshield place, had them cut and sand it, bought the record and played slide guitar.

102 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:14:14pm

re: #96 Jimmah

Hmmm. I wonder how many times ice and I will be attacked in the coming days by yourself, Rose, Reine, Yooper and Bloodnok - while claiming that WE are plotting.

Updinged, but I don't consider reine's comment an attack. Now I really am out of the thread.

103 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:14:26pm

re: #96 Jimmah

Hmmm. I wonder how many times ice and I will be attacked in the coming days by yourself, Rose, Reine, Yooper and Bloodnok - while claiming that WE are plotting.

OK there is a paranoia level here that is hard to fathom.

Let it go.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:14:47pm

re: #96 Jimmah

Hmmm. I wonder how many times ice and I will be attacked in the coming days by yourself, Rose, Reine, Yooper and Bloodnok - while claiming that WE are plotting.

Whooaaa. Bit of a leap there, no? Look at those names. You think they're all out to get you?

105 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:15:49pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

Examples are where?

It's ridiculous of you to pretend to be unaware of what I am talking about, but interesting to see how far you are prepared to take this game. Ok - I'll give you a prime example - buzzsawmonkey. He used to defend 2.0 posters like GOTC and attack those who exposed her. He's now posting on 2.0 himself, of course - perfect example of what I am talking about.

Now that game is over perhaps you'll answer my question in [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] ?

106 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:16:35pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Jimmah, stop it. You're baiting people, again. I'm asking you nicely to stop it.

Honestly, I am not - I am just pointing out an obvious hypocrisy.

107 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:16:43pm

re: #103 LudwigVanQuixote

OK there is a paranoia level here that is hard to fathom.

Let it go.

Thank you, Ludwig. Your voice can often be harsh, but it is always one of sanity.

108 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:17:06pm

I guess not.

109 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:17:35pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, Ludwig. Your voice can often be harsh, but it is always one of sanity.

Thanks DF. I do enjoy being called sane... It happens rarely. :)

110 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:17:38pm

re: #105 Jimmah

Nonsense. In your #9 you said:

There's one doing the rounds at the moment that causes the victim to remain here but pine weepily for the 'good people' who are posting over there now.

Who is this person? And if it's such an issue to you, why protect the friend of a stalker by not pointing it out, Jim?

111 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:19:20pm

re: #102 iceweasel

Updinged, but I don't consider reine's comment an attack. Now I really am out of the thread.

Ok ice you are right...I apologise to Reine for including her in that.

112 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:19:37pm

re: #105 Jimmah

It's ridiculous of you to pretend to be unaware of what I am talking about, but interesting to see how far you are prepared to take this game. Ok - I'll give you a prime example - buzzsawmonkey. He used to defend 2.0 posters like GOTC and attack those who exposed her. He's now posting on 2.0 himself, of course - perfect example of what I am talking about.

Now that game is over perhaps you'll answer my question in [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] ?

Dude, are you honestly trying to smear Sharm as a potential 2.0 person? Are you really that insane? You seriously need to take a breath and walk away a moment. Playing some kind of gotcha game with her - with Sharm of all people - is insane.

113 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:20:22pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Whooaaa. Bit of a leap there, no? Look at those names. You think they're all out to get you?

How many people have you ever seen me be "out to get"?
I've been here since june or july 2007.
How often has that ever happened?

114 Racer X  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:21:38pm

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude, are you honestly trying to smear Sharm as a potential 2.0 person? Are you really that insane? You seriously need to take a breath and walk away a moment. Playing some kind of gotcha game with her - with Sharm of all people - is insane.

Not the first time.

115 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:21:51pm
116 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:22:18pm

re: #113 reine.de.tout

None. I've not "seen you or SFZ go after anyone.
But, what do I know?
LOL!
Good people having good conversations, are what I enjoy most at LGF!

117 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:22:38pm

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude, are you honestly trying to smear Sharm as a potential 2.0 person?

That isn't how I read that comment.

118 jaunte  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:22:45pm

I'm out to get anyone who has not supported Soldier's Angels and LGF by buying LGF Cookbook Edition 1.
[Link: www.lulu.com...]

119 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:22:45pm

To hell with this personal grievance drama bullshit - I'm seriously outt of this conversation now. Apart from anything else, it must be hella boring for anyone who came here to listen to good music. Speaking of which... :)

120 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:23:12pm

re: #116 Floral Giraffe

None. I've not "seen you or SFZ go after anyone.
But, what do I know?
LOL!
Good people having good conversations, are what I enjoy most at LGF!

yep.
I also enjoy the good conversations, too, Flo!
And of course, I always love watching you come in and bounce around! A breath of fresh air, you are.

121 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:24:19pm

So Jimmah, are you now going to label anyone who dares criticize you and ice as Deuce sympathizers?

122 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:24:56pm

re: #117 iceweasel

That isn't how I read that comment.

Good, I am happy that it was not meant that way, because if it were it would be contrary to reason.

In the mean time, it would be a kindness to lower the snark by about 50 decibels. This goes out to all parties involved.

123 swamprat  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:35:02pm

Full moon?

124 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:36:12pm

re: #123 swamprat

Not yet, just bad vibes...

125 Jimmah  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:41:09pm

re: #121 Irish Rose

So Jimmah, are you now going to label anyone who dares criticize you and ice as Deuce sympathizers?

I know I said I was out, but really - I can't let this strawman stand. Here is the comment that seems to have triggered this reaction:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Notice how it says absolutely nothing about criticising me or ice. At no point since have I implied anything of the sort.

Now I'm really out of this thread.

126 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:45:18pm

re: #125 Jimmah

I know I said I was out, but really - I can't let this strawman stand. Here is the comment that seems to have triggered this reaction:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Notice how it says absolutely nothing about criticising me or ice. At no point since have I implied anything of the sort.

Now I'm really out of this thread.


[Video]

Jimmah - not quite accurate. This is the comment:

There's one doing the rounds at the moment that causes the victim to remain here but pine weepily for the 'good people' who are posting over there now.
127 iceweasel  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:47:12pm

re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote

Good, I am happy that it was not meant that way, because if it were it would be contrary to reason.

In the mean time, it would be a kindness to lower the snark by about 50 decibels. This goes out to all parties involved.

i hear that! Thanks. You are pretty sane, you know. :)

re: #123 swamprat

Full moon?

re: #124 Floral Giraffe

Not yet, just bad vibes...

Hoepfully just a temporary disturbance in the Force. Here's a music video to put the thread back on track: CCR: Bad Moon Risin (NOT directed at anyone or snarky! Just meant to be funny)

128 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:51:51pm

re: #127 iceweasel

and that I'll upding, because its a great song.

129 iceweasel  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 4:29:29am

re: #76 reine.de.tout

So through my own observations, I’ve come to the conclusion that you and Jimmah (and perhaps a few of the newer ones) aren’t at LGF for the purpose of honestly hearing any point anyone else wants to make that doesn’t agree completely with your own

I'm sorry to come back to an old thread, but I'm still upset by this and think it's important to set the record straight.

If I wanted to be at a blog that was a liberal echo chamber, I never would have been at LGF in the first place. There are a lot of places like that on the internet. I said just yesterday that the value of LGF for me personally lies in its being the only place I know of the net where you can genuinely find people from all across the spectrum to interact with-- and in particular, I value it because of the conservative voices here, not despite them.

Moreover, liberal posters here are very far from outnumbering conservatives. Some people are having difficulty with the shift in the commentariat, IMO, or, because LGF was predominantly a right of centre commentariat for so long, having a few outspoken libs around combined with the departure of some people who were on the right--(and I will have to beg to differ here, the people who were banned do not strike me as articulate at all except in abuse, and they are no loss) -- strikes people used to the 'old' LGF as being overwhelmed or invaded by libs. But I don't think that's happening.

In any case, it simply is not true and has never been true that I want to post in a place where everyone agrees with me.

130 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 6:41:21am

re: #129 iceweasel

I'm sorry to come back to an old thread, but I'm still upset by this and think it's important to set the record straight.

If I wanted to be at a blog that was a liberal echo chamber, I never would have been at LGF in the first place. There are a lot of places like that on the internet. I said just yesterday that the value of LGF for me personally lies in its being the only place I know of the net where you can genuinely find people from all across the spectrum to interact with-- and in particular, I value it because of the conservative voices here, not despite them.

Moreover, liberal posters here are very far from outnumbering conservatives. Some people are having difficulty with the shift in the commentariat, IMO, or, because LGF was predominantly a right of centre commentariat for so long, having a few outspoken libs around combined with the departure of some people who were on the right--(and I will have to beg to differ here, the people who were banned do not strike me as articulate at all except in abuse, and they are no loss) -- strikes people used to the 'old' LGF as being overwhelmed or invaded by libs. But I don't think that's happening.

In any case, it simply is not true and has never been true that I want to post in a place where everyone agrees with me.

I know what you've said about the value of LGF being unique in the blogosphere where people from across the spectrum can interact with each other, and I am in agreement with that assessment. It's also why I value my registration here. I am NOT one of the ones who had difficulty with any shift in focus here, nor in the addition of liberals to the board - that's all part and parcel of the shift in the political atmosphere in the nation and it's been very interesting and informative, imo.

My observations simply have to do with behavior and what appears to me to be an attempt to bait certain people into anger, followed by a deflection of their response with accusations of "butthurt" and a general piling on along those lines, which is different from a discussion, even a heated on, on the topic at hand.

As I said - I didn't like it when it was done to you; and I don't like seeing it happen now.

131 iceweasel  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 6:55:56am

re: #130 reine.de.tout

I am NOT one of the ones who had difficulty with any shift in focus here, nor in the addition of liberals to the board

I know that. I didn't have you in mind at all about that.

followed by a deflection of their response with accusations of "butthurt" and a general piling on along those lines, which is different from a discussion, even a heated on, on the topic at hand.

Alternatively, one might have observed deflections in the form of people suddenly bringing up how much they hate the word butthurt in the middle of a thread where no one has used that word, and using a piling on of complaints about it to pile on those who have used the word. You are not doing that here, nor would I characterise this thread as one where it's happened-- but it absolutely has happened in the very recent past, and elsewhere.

As I said - I didn't like it when it was done to you; and I don't like seeing it happen now.

And I value that in you. I'm quite confident in your powers of judgement, I know you to be fair, and I have confidence in the ability of others as well to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

132 iceweasel  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:00:25am

re: #130 reine.de.tout

BTW, this:

that's all part and parcel of the shift in the political atmosphere in the nation and it's been very interesting and informative, imo.

strikes me as exactly right. Spot-on.

133 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:22:37am

Why do I keep thinking of Joe Wilson?

134 iceweasel  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:47:03am

re: #133 Sharmuta

Why do I keep thinking of Joe Wilson?

My guess is that it's your way of calling me a liar without actually having the courage to come out and say it, so you're taking out your aggression by downdinging a perfectly reasonable post like this one and making snide Joe Wilson comments instead.

That's all I have to say on this thread now, for real this time.

135 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:49:59am

re: #134 iceweasel

That's all I have to say on this thread now, for real this time.

You keep saying that, but you have yet to do it. And yes- you lie.

136 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 8:18:30am
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/For the record- for real this time.

137 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 10:06:07am

re: #3 Charles

"I, Flathead" is a song cycle about a guy, his car, his band, and some girl.

And there's an audio slideshow to go with it. There's another link to it (in case that didn't work--it's supposed to be a pop-up window) at this article. There's a musical playlist, too, not all from Ry. The article's a good read, too.

138 Cato the Elder  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 9:28:55pm

re: #34 Jimmah

"reining in"

"reigning" = something else


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