Video: Tea Party, The Documentary Film
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:43:05pm |
The voiceover is hilarious. I didn’t know the Real Men of Genius voiceover guy was still getting work.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:43:06pm |
Bad, deadly, sick. When I see large rallies talking about “Judgment Day” I get very scared. That seems to me a sign that something very nasty is coming. I pray that the Lord will give me the strength to face it.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:47:01pm |
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ulmsey123 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:47:55pm |
The “voice over” a bit over the top. But the content? Hard to fathom why there are Tea Parties. After all, no countries ever fell into the power of despots and tyrants. And certainly not here. Could you imagine rounding up American citizens into camps? Well…maybe that little thing FDR did. Does that count?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:48:50pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
Bad, deadly, sick. When I see large rallies talking about “Judgment Day” I get very scared. That seems to me a sign that something very nasty is coming. I pray that the Lord will give me the covering fire to face it.
Also.
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jdog29 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:49:52pm |
Why this movie will be shown in Social Studies classes in every Middle School in America just like “Inconvenient Truth” has in every science class.///
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:51:44pm |
re: #6 ulmsey123
It can happen here, you are right about that. But I don’t see a risk of that happening right now. Nor do I see a reason for titling rallies Countdown to Judgment Day other than to inflame people against the government. There are reasons to hold rallies, but those rallies are being organized by nuts and attended by people holding racist and extreme anti-government views. Sane people should avoid the Tea Parties.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:52:17pm |
Here’s an earlier video from the Teapartymovie Youtube account. The description reads:
This is the opening video which was presented at 1PM on the steps of the US Capitol for the 9-12 March on Washington. If you were not able to hear or see the screens, please enjoy. Keep up the fight!
The video I’m referring to here is also a Ground Floor LLC production.
The kicker is that at 0:50 they show a man with a megaphone wearing a t-shirt for “Freedom Fighter Radio” while the narrator says, “and across this great nation, a new generation of patriots is standing ready for her [USA’s] defense.” This is the same phrase used in the Tea Party Documentary trailer posted in this article.
Freedom Fighter Radio is a conspiracy laced site run by a seriously unstable crackpot that goes by the name of Jim Stachowiak. He was also the “masked man calling for the mass protest of G-20” and can be heard ranting like a mad man on another radio program.
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Bloodnok Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:53:48pm |
I’m curious to see how the rightosphere inflates the viewing figures for this film as they did with the attendance. I’m guessing this will be said to have been bigger than Titanic and the M*A*S*H final episode combined.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:54:46pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
Screenshot at 0:50 which I refer to in my post.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:54:58pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Sane people should avoid the Tea Parties.
I can remember KT (Thanks Be Unto Him) catching significant flak for that.
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jdog29 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:55:33pm |
re: #11 Bloodnok
I’m curious to see how the rightosphere inflates the viewing figures for this film as they did with the attendance. I’m guessing this will be said to have been bigger than Titanic and the M*A*S*H final episode combined.
It’ll be a bomb at the box office just like the left propaganda films are bombs too. The box office receipts are just subsidizing the effort.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:55:43pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
Bad, deadly, sick. When I see large rallies talking about “Judgment Day” I get very scared. That seems to me a sign that something very nasty is coming. I pray that the Lord will give me the strength to face it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:56:16pm |
re: #11 Bloodnok
I’m curious to see how the rightosphere inflates the viewing figures for this film as they did with the attendance. I’m guessing this will be said to have been bigger than Titanic and the M*A*S*H final episode combined.
1.7 to 2 million viewers, at least.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 6:59:21pm |
re: #15 Spare O’Lake
Sort of, but if it is in fact the Last Day, then I don’t hold out much hope for myself. I’m a sinner and an asshole, and at this point I would fully expect damnation.
/No sarc, just my honest assessment of myself
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ulmsey123 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:01:17pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
So it can happen here, as you say. But not at this time. So when should we be concerned? What’s the tipping point?
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jdog29 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:02:22pm |
re: #18 ulmsey123
So it can happen here, as you say. But not at this time. So when should we be concerned? What’s the tipping point?
The release of this film.///
Oh, I thought you meant the tipping point for me running into the night screaming, :-)
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deadletterboy Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:04:18pm |
I’m not sure if the voice over or the ‘planning’ shots at the beginning are the best part.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:04:54pm |
Wow, that’s funny… I think the voice over guy is the same one that Southpark used to make fun of Rob Schneider… (He has been a dog, a pirate, but now, Rob Schneider is a STAPLER!!!)
I have to believe that any credibility these tea party folks had they flushed away with the over dramatic voiceover dude.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:05:17pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
Ugh. Fucking Paulians.
That’s what I figured.
Here’s a cached link to “Freedom Fighter Radio.” Those guys are seriously off their rocker.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:06:52pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
Here’s an earlier video from the Teapartymovie Youtube account. The description reads:
The video I’m referring to here is also a Ground Floor LLC production.
The kicker is that at 0:50 they show a man with a megaphone wearing a t-shirt for “Freedom Fighter Radio” while the narrator says, “and across this great nation, a new generation of patriots is standing ready for her [USA’s] defense.” This is the same phrase used in the Tea Party Documentary trailer posted in this article.
Freedom Fighter Radio is a conspiracy laced site run by a seriously unstable crackpot that goes by the name of Jim Stachowiak. He was also the “masked man calling for the mass protest of G-20” and can be heard ranting like a mad man on another radio program.
Dude, check out the logo on the t-shirt at 0:50. That’s damn close to Odin’s Cross.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:07:54pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude, check out the logo on the t-shirt at 0:50. That’s damn close to Odin’s Cross.
Yep, I noticed that. Here’s a screenshot which I posted above.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:08:06pm |
re: #23 Gus 802
Some nice anti-vax stuff too. Yeesh.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:08:43pm |
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Racer X Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:08:51pm |
Got this in email:
The year is 1909.
One hundred years ago.
What a difference a century makes! Here are some statistics for the Year 1909 :
*** *** *** ***
The average life expectancy was 47 years.
Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.
Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.
There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles of paved roads.
The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.
The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower
The average wage in 1909 was 22 cents per hour.
The average worker made between $200 and $400 per year …
A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year,
A dentist $2,500 per year,
A veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year,
A mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.
More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME.
Ninety percent of all doctors had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION!
Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press AND the government as ‘substandard’.
Sugar cost four cents a pound.
Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.
Coffee was fifteen cents a pound.
Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.
Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from entering into their country for any reason.
Five leading causes of death were:
1. Pneumonia and influenza
2. Tuberculosis
3. Diarrhea
4.. Heart disease
5. Stroke
The American flag had 45 stars.
The population of Las Vegas , Nevada was only 30!!
Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and ice tea hadn’t been invented yet.
There was no Mother’s Day or Father’s Day.
Two out of every 10 adults couldn’t read or write.
Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school.
Marijuana, heroin,and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists said, “Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and bowels and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health.” (shocking?)
Eighteen percent of households had at least one full-time servant or domestic help.
There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE U.S.A.!
Now I’m forwarding this to someone else without typing it myself. From there, it will be sent to others all over the WORLD - all in a matter of seconds!
Try to imagine what it may be like in another 100 years.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:09:29pm |
re: #18 ulmsey123
So it can happen here, as you say. But not at this time. So when should we be concerned? What’s the tipping point?
We should be concerned right now, but the answer is sane opposition to Obama. Apply smart pressure to Senators and Congressmen. Propose better bills than the White House. Overwrought rhetoric about “Judgement Day” Does Not Help. It makes those opposing Obama look like dangerous crazies. Moreover, if he was planning a left-wing takeover, which I do not believe he is doing, rallies like this would only give him a justification for action. Even if the Tea Party crowd were right, their actions fail to deal with the situation intelligently.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:09:50pm |
re: #6 ulmsey123
The “voice over” a bit over the top. But the content? Hard to fathom why there are Tea Parties. After all, no countries ever fell into the power of despots and tyrants. And certainly not here. Could you imagine rounding up American citizens into camps? Well…maybe that little thing FDR did. Does that count?
Are we at war with Japan and Germany again? You must of missed that little part… right jerk?
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:10:09pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Nice.
Regarding the documentary. Like they say, you can put lipstick on a pig…
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Kruk Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:10:41pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
The voiceover is hilarious. I didn’t know the Real Men of Genius voiceover guy was still getting work.
Heh. I was getting horror movie flashbacks with that voiceover. “It began…”
Seriously though, this is starting to be noticed outside the US as well. This article on “Disloyal Opposition In The US” is very interesting, and I’d appreciate Lizards’ thoughts on it.
[Link: www.scoop.co.nz…]
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:11:32pm |
re: #32 Kruk
I would watch the vide a second time, but I just stopped laughing about the voiceover just now, and I don’t want another fit of giggles.
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saik0max0r Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:12:52pm |
zomgwtfbbq teh koolaid iz served.
This is either genius or stupidity. For some reason it reminds me of Michael Moore… It’s crap.. but it’s mass appeal crap.
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keithgabryelski Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:13:26pm |
someone is going to do a *beautiful* redub of the voice-over on that.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:13:53pm |
re: #34 saik0max0r
zomgwtfbbq teh koolaid iz served.
This is either genius or stupidity. For some reason it reminds me of Michael Moore… It’s crap.. but it’s mass appeal crap.
Moore has mass appeal?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:14:04pm |
re: #32 Kruk
Disloyal oppositions are, by definition, unprincipled. Not because they lack conviction in their beliefs (some do), but because of their disrespect for the rules of the democratic game. Their view of political rules and procedures is purely instrumental: if they suit the pursuit of ideological or policy objectives they can be used. If not, they can be circumvented. The goal is to bring down the government of the day regardless of cost or consequence. Hence disloyal oppositions hold little regard for established rules and institutional norms even if it suited them when in government or as a historical precedent.
Yeah, I think he nailed it.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:14:11pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:14:47pm |
re: #39 jeremy0114
Amen… Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd only works for Rush…
///ducks!
What do you mean, sir?
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fat.elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:15:45pm |
Always felt mild embarrassment to slight horror at the tea parties and wouldn’t feel comfortable at one. But that doesn’t mean anyone who ever attended a tea party or town hall is an idiot or insane. My parents, for instance.
Basically I think people should save their energy for the ballot box in 2010. I know I will.
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saik0max0r Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:16:22pm |
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jeremy0114 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:17:27pm |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
These people make themselves look like asses, and take perhaps people sympathetic with their cause and alienates them… I agree with the premise of some of their arguments, but to parade around in a hat? Call your congressman, get involved, DO SOMETHING constructive!
These folks alienated me with this stuff… Its absurdity. The Rush reference was just a joke… The word absurd reminds me of him.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:19:34pm |
That and the company you keep speaks volumes about yourself…
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SteveC Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:20:03pm |
Dad-gummit, I wish this rural area would get something other than dial up, so I could watch these videos.
How’s everyone doing?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:20:42pm |
re: #32 Kruk
Heh. I was getting horror movie flashbacks with that voiceover. “It began…”
Seriously though, this is starting to be noticed outside the US as well. This article on “Disloyal Opposition In The US” is very interesting, and I’d appreciate Lizards’ thoughts on it.
[Link: www.scoop.co.nz…]
In Canada the Loyal Opposition is the Party having the second-most elected members in the House of Commons.
Obviously they respect and work within the existing system.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:20:57pm |
re: #42 saik0max0r
touche.
Disclaimer: I live in Portland, Oregon.
LOL
I love Oregon…I turned 21 camping at whales cove…I’m just teasing you
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:22:44pm |
Hey look, SCA dudes! Awesome, I’ll go get my foam battle ax and my +1 greaves of protection!
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SteveC Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:24:27pm |
Here’s the latest brilliance from Medicare:
No foreplay, no condom, no roses afterward.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:24:36pm |
TeaPartyMovie “Bomb Threat!”
It might be a coincidence that they were filming when the bomb threat was called in. They blame the politicians in Washington for threatening them. Delusional idiots.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:25:17pm |
re: #48 WindUpBird
SCA?
www.sca-recovery.org
Is that what youre referring to?
//of course I’m kidding.. I think…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:25:27pm |
re: #37 HoosierHoops
Moore has mass appeal?
I don’t know if his brand has mass appeal, but Fahrenheit 9/11 grossed 222 mil, first day DVD sales of 2 million, not too shabby!
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:25:57pm |
They also have that nirth certificate rapper “Hi-Caliber.” Right at about 1:42 he shows that his idea of liberty is not unlike your average so-con.
See Birching the 912 Rally in DC and here.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:27:06pm |
re: #42 saik0max0r
touche.
Disclaimer: I live in Portland, Oregon.
Hey look, another Portlander! You can find me at the Horse Brass, tasting beers with extreme prejudice. :D
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jeremy0114 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:27:11pm |
re: #53 Gus 802
Gus, I like your avatar… I dont suppose you keep that in your backyard do you?
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:27:25pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
TeaPartyMovie “Bomb Threat!”
It might be a coincidence that they were filming when the bomb threat was called in. They blame the politicians in Washington for threatening them. Delusional idiots.
Matt Kibbe. The Paulian-Nader faker.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:27:29pm |
re: #30 Walter L. Newton
Walter -
Must have missed Pres. Wilson and the “Palmer Raids” as well. That is all.
-S-
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:28:17pm |
re: #55 jeremy0114
Gus, I like your avatar… I dont suppose you keep that in your backyard do you?
Nah. I wish I had a backyard let alone a P-51.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:29:44pm |
re: #57 Dr. Shalit
Reply to Self -
Revise and Extend -
For all of his Other Problems, Pres. Warren G. Harding freed Eugene V. Debs and invited him to the White House for an “Iced Tea.” That is all.
-S-
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jeremy0114 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:30:29pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
Ahh me too… (well I got a backyard…) The Collins foundation was at the local airport giving Mustang rides for 2500/ per 1/2 hour… If they lowered it by about 90 percent, well they would have had me as a customer!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:30:56pm |
re: #43 jeremy0114
These people make themselves look like asses, and take perhaps people sympathetic with their cause and alienates them… I agree with the premise of some of their arguments, but to parade around in a hat? Call your congressman, get involved, DO SOMETHING constructive!
These folks alienated me with this stuff… Its absurdity. The Rush reference was just a joke… The word absurd reminds me of him.
Fair enough. Point accepted and updinged.
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saik0max0r Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:31:50pm |
re: #54 WindUpBird
woohoo!
Horse Brass is truly an awesome establishment. Should definitely get the pdx lizard crew bar crawl thing going…
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:32:41pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
Nah. I wish I had a backyard let alone a P-51.
Gus 802 -
With enough wealth, I would own a BIG back yard and an F-86, even if just to look at. That is all.
-S-
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:34:55pm |
My initial impression of this was “Gee, they pulled this one out of their asses pretty quickly.”
Just a few months to edit down all the raw footage, get a distributor and try to get it into theaters?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:35:32pm |
re: #62 saik0max0r
woohoo!
Horse Brass is truly an awesome establishment. Should definitely get the pdx lizard crew bar crawl thing going…
Still my favorite bar in the city after living here for almost ten years. Though the Bonfire is pretty great too, it has fantastic food and that batcave ambience I like.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:37:00pm |
re: #64 Conservative Moonbat
My initial impression of this was “Gee, they pulled this one out of their asses pretty quickly.”
Just a few months to edit down all the raw footage, get a distributor and try to get it into theaters?
I think they’ve had this in the works since before the 912dc rally. It’s not really a documentary if you ask me. Seems more like an auto-documentary.
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mikhailtheplumber Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:38:02pm |
Mmmm… I wonder whether any fair and balanced news organization will give this any coverage.
On another note, I like how they went out of their way to find African-American Tea-partiers. I couldn’t find any on the TV coverage I saw.
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funky chicken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:40:36pm |
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:43:50pm |
re: #68 SteveC
Apollo 17 landing site, photographed by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
Oh that is COOL. I clicked through to the hi-res photos. Thanks!!
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Kruk Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:48:09pm |
re: #69 funky chicken
It kinda looks like one, to be honest.
That’s what happens when a group only listens to itself, and dismisses everyone else as misguided at best and evil at worst. They have no idea how they look to outsiders. A second American Revolution? Seriously?
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Existential_Donuts Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:53:34pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
I had the same feeling about the Oath Keepers. Who is going to be in charge of all the soldiers that refused orders? Who would ever feel safe leading these clowns?
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idioma Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:58:10pm |
re: #54 WindUpBird
Hey look, another Portlander! You can find me at the Horse Brass, tasting beers with extreme prejudice. :D
W00t I live in the Alphabet District, Keep Portland Beer’d!
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SteveC Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:01:57pm |
re: #71 Kruk
A second American Revolution? Seriously?
General, do we have a response plan for this event?
Yes, Mr. President. Operation Yougottabekiddingme kicks off in 2 minutes.
///
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:02:59pm |
Here is fox pimping ID hacks.
For anyone who thinks that Fox gives fair or balanced or sane reporting, count the bits of bullshit in this clip and then note that Fox is presenting this as truth.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:03:22pm |
re: #72 Existential_Donuts
I had the same feeling about the Oath Keepers. Who is going to be in charge of all the soldiers that refused orders? Who would ever feel safe leading these clowns?
Dating rule number 3: Never make serious plans with a cheater. If she cheated on him, she’ll cheat on you.
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saik0max0r Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:04:34pm |
re: #71 Kruk
“That’s what happens when a group only listens to itself, and dismisses everyone else as misguided at best and evil at worst. They have no idea how they look to outsiders. A second American Revolution? Seriously?”
Hmm… who has the merchandising rights to this American Rev 2.0 thing?
I generally view these things as a normal western civ cultural ritual… e.g. throwing tomatoes at the King, burning stuff in effigy… not exactly “rational” but pretty normal and not really dangerous.
Perhaps I’m just desensitized to political extremism / advocacy. I figure it’s fine for people to vent ambiguous frustrations and engage in these sorts of protests… what I really worry about is the people trying to turn it into a profession. Those people suck.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:05:48pm |
re: #4 Pepper Fox
I was totally expecting it to be a parody.
Me too. I’m still not totally sure it wasn’t.
(Your avatar has joined Floral Giraffe’s BTW, as the ones I always click because I want to see them full-sized and go “oooh” again.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:07:38pm |
re: #6 ulmsey123
The “voice over” a bit over the top. But the content? Hard to fathom why there are Tea Parties. After all, no countries ever fell into the power of despots and tyrants. And certainly not here. Could you imagine rounding up American citizens into camps? Well…maybe that little thing FDR did. Does that count?
1. Yes, countries have fallen to despots. The way to avoid that is to have an active democracy, not to run around acting like loons.
2. No one is getting rounded into camps. Nor have we reason to think they will be in the foreseeable future.
3. What do you think of Michelle Malkin? I cannot respond to your last comment without some clarity there.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:08:18pm |
re: #75 LudwigVanQuixote
Does Fox have to give a voice to all the wingnut talking points?
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:08:25pm |
re: #75 LudwigVanQuixote
Here is fox pimping ID hacks.
For anyone who thinks that Fox gives fair or balanced or sane reporting, count the bits of bullshit in this clip and then note that Fox is presenting this as truth.
Video: Discovery Institute Lies Promoted by Fox News
:) Hard to believe that was from May. Seemed like yesterday.
Luskin and Doocy, two fools in a pod.
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Mich-again Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:08:34pm |
I think the voice over should have started with “In a world where …”
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saik0max0r Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:08:56pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
“Yes, countries have fallen to despots. The way to avoid that is to have an active democracy, not to run around acting like loons.”
Hmmm… I detect recursion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:09:26pm |
re: #13 Decatur Deb
I can remember KT (Thanks Be Unto Him) catching significant flak for that.
He did, didn’t he? For ages.
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Existential_Donuts Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:10:12pm |
re: #76 SteveC
Dating rule number 3: Never make serious plans with a cheater. If she cheated on him, she’ll cheat on you.
what are rules 1 and 2? I like the “serious” caveat.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:11:51pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Sort of, but if it is in fact the Last Day, then I don’t hold out much hope for myself. I’m a sinner and an asshole, and at this point I would fully expect damnation.
/No sarc, just my honest assessment of myself
That is not my assessment of you. You undoubtedly know yourself better than I. We’re all sinners, and many of us are assholes, but we have better qualities as well. You have many.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:12:46pm |
re: #18 ulmsey123
So it can happen here, as you say. But not at this time. So when should we be concerned? What’s the tipping point?
What is concerning YOU? And if you say health care reform, I may bite your ankle. This is fair warning.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:13:08pm |
re: #86 SteveC
Silly woman. Some men would pay her for that.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:13:46pm |
re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist
That is not my assessment of you. You undoubtedly know yourself better than I. We’re all sinners, and many of us are assholes, but we have better qualities as well. You have many.
I have some, but I fear that they’ll be overwhelmed by my misdeeds. I do thank you for the vote of confidence.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:15:12pm |
re: #85 Existential_Donuts
what are rules 1 and 2? I like the “serious” caveat.
Rule 1: Hair color, eye color, bra size mean nothing. Look for the heart of gold.
Rule 2: The quiet ones will steal your heart and go plumb fool crazy behind closed doors. Just relax, you’ll enjoy it.
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metrolibertarian Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:15:56pm |
This trailer is so fucking bad, and taking GOP.com into consideration, I’m starting to think if the right wants to use “technology” they should simply go back to recording themselves on vinyl, like the “good old days.”
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:16:48pm |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m as surprised as anybody that I ended up being right. I’m shocked that I actually underestimated the problem. Go figure.
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:17:27pm |
Maybe this goes back further-But when the Bush critics spent so many years with over the top shrill/extremist post 9/11 crap, they opened the door to more of the same the very minute the shoe switched feet. I lost the last of my patience with the shrill then, and therefore agree in full with the opposition to the shrill race baiting hyperbolic right. I’m done with shrill.
You folks know I went to the recent Tea Party in L.A. I expected a crazier scene. Some of you saw the pictures or the video. It has its extremists but was far more tame than DC or the documentary trailer. The tea party organizer got asked point blank-How do we legally change the government.
The man answered VOTE. I know of no better answer. Is that a revolutionary? Is that a threat? Its a call to vote.
As crazy as these people may get we have a natural continuance of a lack of respect for the office of the President and all it contains.
In part we have the left to blame for the errors of the right. In any case I’d love for the shrill to stop. Stop the partisan dogma. Start taking solutions. Our respective parties have abandoned this critical coping with opposition skill. Its a darn shame. At the end of the day we all have a choice-fight or work it out. Reagan and Tip O’Neill did it. Newt and Bill did it. Hey those in charge-Take notice of your mentors.
We see a glimpse of this here. I have seen some good lizards throw down pretty hard. Fair enough we are adults here. But again at the end of the day we are all here for a reason. A reason that shows we are more bound together than divided.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:18:38pm |
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:18:54pm |
re: #92 metrolibertarian
This trailer is so fucking bad, and taking GOP.com into consideration, I’m starting to think if the right wants to use “technology” they should simply go back to recording themselves on vinyl, like the “good old days.”
Parchment, perhaps.
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Kruk Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:20:34pm |
re: #92 metrolibertarian
This trailer is so fucking bad, and taking GOP.com into consideration, I’m starting to think if the right wants to use “technology” they should simply go back to recording themselves on vinyl, like the “good old days.”
The sad part is I remember the days when the web, usenet and talk radio were considered the media Conservatives were strong in. They just didn’t adopt well to Internet 2.0.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:22:49pm |
re: #97 Kruk
Does it maybe have something to do with a lack of young Republicans?
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funky chicken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:23:08pm |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
Eh, you forgot all of the serious lunatics during Bill Clinton’s time in office, with their crazy videos about all the supposed murders Hillary and Bill had committed in Arkansas, etc.
I’m not a WJC fan, and lots of military folks had terrible experiences with Hillary during those years, but the right wing went absolutely nutso when Clinton was president.
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philosophus invidius Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:23:17pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
The Oath Keepers and their ilk are the absolutely last people who could be trusted to prevent the persecution of a minority group. In fact, here is a quiz for ulmsey: which group of Americans today is most analogous to the Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor? And which group of protesters and their media supporters would be most likely to support restriction to the freedom of people (or deportation) on the basis of their membership in that group without any evidence of wrongdoing?
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:24:49pm |
re: #99 funky chicken
You are correct, I gave that this much credit only-Perhaps faint credit
“maybe this started earlier”
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:24:52pm |
re: #99 funky chicken
I’m not a WJC fan, and lots of military folks had terrible experiences with Hillary during those years, but the right wing went absolutely nutso when Clinton was president.
Quite concur. What we are seeing now might be slightly more crazy (just due to the added elements of the nirth cert and sekrit mooslim stuff), but the difference is not great,
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:25:27pm |
RoP in action…
Somali women beaten for violating Islamic law, officials say
Militants who control parts of Somalia’s capital city are beating women in broad daylight for violating their radical brand of Islamic law, according to local officials and witnesses in Mogadishu.“Just today, Al-Shabaab dispatched men with whips to the streets around Bakara market and they are flogging any woman who is found not wearing socks,” according to a female maize trader at the Mogadishu market, who spoke Thursday.
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:25:41pm |
re: #102 bratwurst
Yes indeed see my 101
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Kragar Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:26:02pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
RoP in action…
Somali women beaten for violating Islamic law, officials say
No socks? THE HARLOTS!
///
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:26:25pm |
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Existential_Donuts Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:27:31pm |
re: #97 Kruk
The sad part is I remember the days when the web, usenet and talk radio were considered the media Conservatives were strong in. They just didn’t adopt well to Internet 2.0.
My hunch is that many conservatives became complacent during the Bush years. In the internet and in everything else. Maybe they felt that the hard work was done and conservative leadership was on its way to becoming permanent.
For me, that’s why a healthy level of skepticism of both parties is necessary. As a liberal, I am under no illusions that my party leaders have our best interests at the top of mind, or that they will work hard to make a better existence for my family.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:27:58pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Stinky footed hussies!
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Kragar Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:28:54pm |
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:29:38pm |
re: #108 Killgore Trout
Earlier this month, Al-Shabaab militants whipped women for wearing bras in an area of northern Mogadishu that they control, shocking residents who have been besieged by the ongoing insurgency. The militants believe the female undergarments are a deception to men.
[deleted]
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:29:50pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Earlier this month, Al-Shabaab militants whipped women for wearing bras in an area of northern Mogadishu that they control, shocking residents who have been besieged by the ongoing insurgency. The militants believe the female undergarments are a deception to men.
So they’re supposed to wear a veil to hide their faces but can’t wear a bra because it’s deceptive.
My head hurts.
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SteveC Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:30:25pm |
re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
In some areas, that costs extra.
“Back home, you pay extra at the Kit-Kat Club for that.”
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:31:57pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
re: #102 bratwurst
So would you guys agree its time to stop all that and get real?
Absolutely. While I am left of center and think the current nuttiness will ultimately be an electoral boon to the Dems, I honestly do think the country is better off with a sane opposition party that has no time for John Birch Society types.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:32:52pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Bakara market, Mogadishu:
[Link: www.panoramio.com…]
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:34:07pm |
re: #14 jdog29
It’ll be a bomb at the box office just like the left propaganda films are bombs too. The box office receipts are just subsidizing the effort.
But, if it is a hit, think the MSM will trumpet that fact?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:34:59pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
RoP in action…
Somali women beaten for violating Islamic law, officials say
Al-Shabaab Delenda Est.
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solomonpanting Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:35:09pm |
Can you himagine the reaction if a liberal station aired such a booboo? Why, the silence would be deafening.
What?..///
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:35:12pm |
re: #113 bratwurst
Absolutely. While I am left of center and think the current nuttiness will ultimately be an electoral boon to the Dems, I honestly do think the country is better off with a sane opposition party that has no time for John Birch Society types.
As a Dem myself I have to say that I miss Republicans like Bush 41 and Bob Dole.
I can’t believe I said that…
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:35:19pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
No socks? THE HARLOTS!
///
The mayor of a town in Georgia was arrested for appearing in public wearing a bathing suit with no sleeves. That was in 1913, though.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:35:31pm |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
Respectfully, given the entire nature of Carl Rove and the smear campaigns put out by the GOP in that period, that is a very extreme case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Honestly the ugliness in American politics - in it’s present incarnation - started with the blow job witch hunt and backlash under Clinton.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:36:11pm |
re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist
What is concerning YOU? And if you say health care reform, I may bite your ankle. This is fair warning.
Did I mention I adore you!
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:36:55pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
RoP in action…
Somali women beaten for violating Islamic law, officials say
Let’s have a heartwarming RoP love story for a change…
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Racer X Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:37:05pm |
re: #120 LudwigVanQuixote
Respectfully, given the entire nature of Carl Rove and the smear campaigns put out by the GOP in that period, that is a very extreme case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Honestly the ugliness in American politics - in it’s present incarnation - started with the blow job witch hunt and backlash under Clinton.
Politics have always been nasty. Always.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:37:35pm |
re: #114 jaunte
Bakara market, Mogadishu:
[Link: www.panoramio.com…]
That was where our troops got into that ugly fight with Idid’s fighters in the Black Hawk Down incident in 1993. We suffered losses but we took out over a thousand of them in reply. Then Clinton pulled our guys out, and things got worse.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:38:00pm |
re: #123 Racer X
Politics have always been nasty. Always.
And I agree. However, there was a post war period where it wasn’t quite so obviously hysterical or gutter ball.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:38:05pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
RoP in action…
Somali women beaten for violating Islamic law, officials say
Here’s an attempted honor killing, with what I assume is a rare twist.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:38:51pm |
re: #122 The Sanity Inspector
She does not look happy about it.
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Racer X Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:39:14pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:39:52pm |
re: #126 The Sanity Inspector
That is rare but it does happen.
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Existential_Donuts Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:40:54pm |
re: #118 JasonA
As a Dem myself I have to say that I miss Republicans like Bush 41 and Bob Dole.
I can’t believe I said that…
I’m with you. My grandfather was an old school Republican. He said that Dems and Reps want the same things, they just take different roads to get there.
He noticed my liberal wiring early and was able to impart the importance of being a good citizen without devolving into partisan rhetoric. Ahh, the good old days.
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:41:56pm |
re: #120 LudwigVanQuixote
Okay lets remember FISA (warrant-less spying) started after Newt and Bill worked it out together. This to prevent a dismissal of a high profile case against a very big spy… The fog of partisanship-We forget the Iraq regime change policy dates to Clinton. Not Bush.
Fair enough. Is it time to stop it?
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solomonpanting Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:43:10pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:43:29pm |
re: #131 Rightwingconspirator
The FISA courts were started in the 70’s.
I have no idea where you get this idea.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:48:32pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
I’ll be back -needing to check for a link. For Clintons part in FISA see
[Link: mediafilter.org…]
I may have taken this moment as the start of FISA, my bad.
I have to check further to verify Newts role in sorting this out with the Republicans of the time. Bear with me its a few years back!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:52:59pm |
Come on, guys! Tea parties are serious business!
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:53:26pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
A bit more on the 90’s era FISA.
[Link: www.cnss.org…]
Newt and Bill did work on other things-S/S and Medicare showing a now long departed spirit of working together. The key point I wish to espouse here. Its time to set aside the grand partisan fight. For the economy, for health reform, for AGW…
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doubter4444 Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:55:39pm |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
You are in LA.
So am I.
But that is not the rest of the country.
I think the moderateness of CA is different from the rest of the country.
And I’m glad
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Existential_Donuts Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:55:49pm |
re: #137 Rightwingconspirator
A bit more on the 90’s era FISA.
[Link: www.cnss.org…]
Newt and Bill did work on other things-S/S and Medicare showing a now long departed spirit of working together. The key point I wish to espouse here. Its time to set aside the grand partisan fight. For the economy, for health reform, for AGW…
Well said, and I will also add ‘for the good of our country’ to your list, if that’s cool.
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:57:55pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
I withdraw the point on Newt, FISA and Clinton. I have a recollection I can’t verify online now. I may have mixed up a couple facts, I can only hope the point stands despite an error.
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:59:44pm |
re: #138 doubter4444
Could it be California republicans can show the way to real work? Arnold got a tough budget through. Everybody hates it. Must be about right!
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saik0max0r Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:02:06pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
Not FISA… perhaps a reference to the Aldrich Ames case. The political hair splitting on the issue is insanely stupid, but the basic idea is that the executive can conduct search and seizure operations without a warrant. FISA of course, has a huge loop hole (by design) to allow the NSA to intercept any thing floating over the airwaves (satellites) without restriction. Congress has now bi-partiscised it to cover other access methods (fiber optic taps and eschelon type “we spy on you, you spy on us”) so they’ve covered their legal bases just-in-case.
In any event, the whole warrantless wire tapping / signals intelligence controversy was a lot of sound and fury… but it’s definitely not a privacy win.
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Jimmah Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:03:02pm |
Scientologists lose Paul Haggis but gain Peaches Geldof:
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org…]
‘I’ve been one for a while now,’ she admits. ‘It’s like, I was confused about what path to go through and I feel like I needed a spiritual path.
‘I felt I was lacking something when I didn’t have a faith. In the end, all it’s about is making yourself a better person.While the controversial organisation, popular in Hollywood with the likes of Tom Cruise, has many critics, Peaches’ father Bob Geldof is supportive of her interest in it.
She says: ‘My father says anything that makes me feel like a better person and makes me happy is a good thing’.
While the Live Aid organiser is clearly full of encouragement, he’s not quite so generous with cash.
‘My dad is literally the biggest tight-a***,’ Peaches complains. ‘He’s a miser, and Irish potato famine miser.’
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:03:48pm |
re: #141 Rightwingconspirator
Could it be California republicans can show the way to real work? Arnold got a tough budget through. Everybody hates it. Must be about right!
Probably not. Arnold is regarded as a RINO, anything he says to the Tea Party crowd would likely just be shouted down with chants of “Purge the RINOs!”
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:04:20pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
RoP in action…
Somali women beaten for violating Islamic law, officials say
Socks? Great, socks.
I heard a great story a few years ago, about a very pompous rabbi who was asked to speak at an extremely Orthodox girls’ school. Before entering a room with the students, he asked the principal of the school (also a rabbi, of course), if the girls were required to wear OPAQUE stockings, with SEAMS.
“I don’t know,” the principal replied. “I don’t look at the girl’s legs.” Pause “Do you?”
End of discussion.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:05:10pm |
re: #143 Jimmah
Scientologists lose Paul Haggis but gain Peaches Geldof:
‘My dad is literally the biggest tight-a***,’ Peaches complains. ‘He’s a miser, and Irish potato famine miser.’
That is one of the NICER things I have heard said about Sir Bob Geldof!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:05:21pm |
re: #143 Jimmah
Scientologists lose Paul Haggis but gain Peaches Geldof:
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org…]
Uhhh… $cientology…
Enlightenment for the low low cost of $998,678 (or at least it was back in 2004 when some friends and I got curious about them and summed up the costs of their “tech” listed in their fliers).
| 148 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:06:26pm |
Actually, just to be clear… I make no bones at all about my disgust at $cientology, and no, they are a cult, not a religion.
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Existential_Donuts Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:07:40pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
Probably not. Arnold is regarded as a RINO, anything he says to the Tea Party crowd would likely just be shouted down with chants of “Purge the RINOs!”
It seems like anything short of unquestioned allegiance to the Tea Party mindset is grounds for RINO status with a lot of these guys. It is out of control. (Seems like a bit of an understatement as I proofread this, but sometimes words just fail to express what is going on.)
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:08:08pm |
re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote
I hope Geldof is smart enough to keep his daughter clear of them before they get their hooks in too deep.
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Jimmah Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:13:27pm |
re: #150 jaunte
I hope Geldof is smart enough to keep his daughter clear of them before they get their hooks in too deep.
The signs are not looking good:
She says: ‘My father says anything that makes me feel like a better person and makes me happy is a good thing’.
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Van Helsing Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:13:57pm |
On the rare occasion that Obama tries to cut spending, the pork-plookers in congress prevent it - LA Times
Some things never change.
BTW, I may be missing something but the Judgment Day referred to on the teaparty website was election day in 2010. Where congress will be judged by the voters.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:14:02pm |
re: #149 Existential_Donuts
It seems like anything short of unquestioned allegiance to the Tea Party mindset is grounds for RINO status with a lot of these guys. It is out of control. (Seems like a bit of an understatement as I proofread this, but sometimes words just fail to express what is going on.)
It is both out of control and a deliberate attempt to take control. Dede Scofalaza is the canary in the mine: If she loses and Hoffman is elected, then the Tea Party crowd will be able to dictate who can win elections as a Republican. Think of them as Stalin’s NKVD back during World War II: If you do not do exactly what they order you to do, no matter how insane, they’ll cut you down from behind.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:15:25pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
FISA has been around forever. Bush wanted to bypass even that minimal check placed on executive authority so he did. The law was changed to make the current practices of the executive branch legal (and grant immunity to all the telecoms who broke the law by spying on their customers.)
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:15:49pm |
re: #151 Jimmah
Too bad; she’ll be another storefront celebrity drawing in the unwary to be fleeced.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:17:50pm |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
Socks? Great, socks.
I heard a great story a few years ago, about a very pompous rabbi who was asked to speak at an extremely Orthodox girls’ school. Before entering a room with the students, he asked the principal of the school (also a rabbi, of course), if the girls were required to wear OPAQUE stockings, with SEAMS.
“I don’t know,” the principal replied. “I don’t look at the girl’s legs.” Pause “Do you?”
End of discussion.
Quoted, so I can read it & laugh,
again!
Hit my funny bone!
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:22:20pm |
re: #156 Floral Giraffe
From the sidebar: A Language of Smiles
[Link: judson.blogs.nytimes.com…]
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ryannon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:22:23pm |
re: #13 Decatur Deb
I can remember KT (Thanks Be Unto Him) catching significant flak for that.
I think many of those people have since flounced their way out of here. Have you noticed how the aggressivity level has gone down lately?
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Jimmah Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:25:33pm |
re: #155 jaunte
Too bad; she’ll be another storefront celebrity drawing in the unwary to be fleeced.
They really trade on the notion of the ‘spiritual wisdom’ of celebrities don’t they?
Of course we all know celebs are the kind of people who wouldn’t endorse something unless there really was something to it…/
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:26:43pm |
re: #157 jaunte
LOL!
Can you say “eee”?
That was a nice cheerful lift.
Thanks, Jaunte!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:28:14pm |
re: #161 jaunte
Goes along whith Wheee!
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webevintage Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:30:27pm |
Now that’s a movie just begging for the MST treatment…
| 164 |
Existential_Donuts Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:30:30pm |
Quick question. Can someone tell me what the ‘karma’ stat indicates on a profile? I assume the number gets higher if you are not a complete ass, or more specifically if someone updings you?
This is quite a website, the stats link is really interesting.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:34:37pm |
re: #164 Existential_Donuts
It’s the net total of your up dings to down dings.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:36:02pm |
re: #164 Existential_Donuts
The updings balanced by the down-dings. You’re right, if you’re not a complete ass, and argue your positions/opinions convincingly (and with links and evidence) you wind up with a higher karma stat.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:36:36pm |
re: #164 Existential_Donuts
Click on your nic & see the Karma you have received!
It’s a net number of up & down dings.
A good tracking tool for our Lizard Overlord, FYI.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:49:30pm |
Fine.
Here’s my WaPo Joshua Bell Violing music again.
I like it a lot!
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:50:12pm |
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:50:20pm |
re: #158 ryannon
I think many of those people have since flounced their way out of here. Have you noticed how the aggressivity level has gone down lately?
aggressivity level?…whoa
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:50:22pm |
Heh.
“violing”
Violin.
Must be time for me to go!
Or, at least lurk…
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:50:59pm |
Comment on the Tea Party film trailer; I think the prop master made a serious mistake in trying to maintain a serious tone when he used a flaming tiki torch in the shot. Eeee!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:51:40pm |
re: #170 albusteve
LOL!
See the end of the thread downstairs!
“Agressivity” defined!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:52:34pm |
re: #172 jaunte
Do you think we can make “eee” the new smile maker?
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:53:07pm |
re: #174 Floral Giraffe
If everyone will agree to say it out loud, I think it will work.
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:56:24pm |
re: #173 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
See the end of the thread downstairs!
“Agressivity” defined!
personally I like alot of aggressivity…debate is what makes this primo blog what it is…some one gets poopie then so be it
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:59:46pm |
re: #177 albusteve
LOL!
Lotsa of “poopie” downstairs.
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ryannon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:02:03pm |
re: #177 albusteve
personally I like alot of aggressivity…debate is what makes this primo blog what it is…some one gets poopie then so be it
Informed intelligence and wit are much of what makes this blog what it is.
The trouble with people getting poopie is that they tend to start flinging it around. Personally, I’ve never liked shit storms.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:03:51pm |
Sorry if this was linked previously:
Pataki endorses Hoffman
Former New York Gov. George Pataki endorsed Conservative party candidate Doug Hoffman tonight, the clearest sign yet that even the most establishment New York Republicans now view Hoffman as having the best shot at preventing a Democrat from winning next Tuesday’s special election.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:08:14pm |
Goodnight all.
Sleep
that knits up the ravelled sleave of care,
The death of each day’s life,
sore labour’s bath,
Balm of hurt minds,
great nature’s second course,
Chief nourisher in life’s feast.
— William Shakespeare
| 182 |
Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:13:33pm |
re: #180 jaunte
Sorry if this was linked previously:
Pataki endorses Hoffman
That actually surprises me since he’s pretty moderate himself.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:13:42pm |
re: #180 jaunte
Sorry if this was linked previously:
Pataki endorses Hoffman
Pataki seems so much unlike Hoffman. Then again, he is a politician at heart. I guess now that he’s “retired” he can freelance.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:15:53pm |
re: #177 albusteve
personally I like alot of aggressivity…debate is what makes this primo blog what it is…some one gets poopie then so be it
I like a spirited debate, but when it devolves into ad hominem I tend to get bored.
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Randall Gross Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:17:23pm |
re: #25 Gus 802
Yep, I noticed that. Here’s a screenshot which I posted above.
Stochowiak’s the nutball we found when we were digging into the 4409 militia guys that showed up at the Obama speech with the AR15. There’s a group militia collective blog you can find him at as well as his own site.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:18:14pm |
re: #182 Conservative Moonbat
That actually surprises me since he’s pretty moderate himself.
Hoffman was a no show at the debate. Odd, since most politicos do everything possible to appear at political debate. Of course, he’s really just an accountant that’s going to single handedly reverse Roe. v. Wade and return American to its traditional moral values.
/
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:19:46pm |
re: #185 Thanos
Stochowiak’s the nutball we found when we were digging into the 4409 militia guys that showed up at the Obama speech with the AR15. There’s a group militia collective blog you can find him at as well as his own site.
I missed that. Frankly I couldn’t listen to the whole audio clip. Stochowiak is clinically disturbed. I would even say after listening to what I did he’s probably crazier than Alex Jones. Now that’s an accomplishment.
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Randall Gross Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:21:00pm |
re: #187 Gus 802
Nope you’ve got that right. I think Alex is in it for the money, Stochowiak’s a true believer.
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Randall Gross Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:23:18pm |
Time for me to get some sleeps, this looks like it’s going to be good.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:23:44pm |
re: #188 Thanos
Nope you’ve got that right. I think Alex is in it for the money, Stochowiak’s a true believer.
Of course. I think Alex Jones says Stachowiak is cointelpro.
Who would have thought that people could attain fame (or is that infamy) and sometimes earn a living while being a pathological psychopath in this day and age.
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:24:17pm |
Repost from downstairs: Did people see KT’s link to this article there?
Tea Party Movement Returns, This Time with Much More Dangerous and Explicit Rhetoric
It’s really good, I thought. It’s by that ex-fundie/anti-abortion guy Frank Schaffer. I think he really nails the dynamic behind the ‘judgement day’ rhetoric:
When the Tea Party folks say they want to “take back our country” who do they want to take it back from? It turns out it’s going to be taken back from the democratic process itself. The effort here is to reverse the last election result.
In this scenario any time there is not a white, wealthy, far right Republican in the White House and any time Congress isn’t controlled by the far (white) right of the Republican Party, then the country has been “stolen” from “us” “Real Americans.”
Since democracy is not so easily undone, the implication is that to “take back” America must needs involve, not votes but “Judgment Day.” In the view of the right Democracy Herself has failed “we” good God-fearing, “birther” “deather” “he lied!” “Obama is Hitler!” Americans. So we must now turn to “other means.”
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:24:42pm |
re: #184 Conservative Moonbat
I like a spirited debate, but when it devolves into ad hominem I tend to get bored.
I went back and read that thread…it’s about time some people got called out for their subterfuge…I don’t really like to take sides but for months there has been a bad vibe going down on this blog and it always points back to the same posters…some people have a mean streak that is sugar coated…I don’t fall for it, but for that I don’t much fit in to the love fest that breaks out here and there…
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:25:52pm |
re: #191 iceweasel
Repost from downstairs: Did people see KT’s link to this article there?
Tea Party Movement Returns, This Time with Much More Dangerous and Explicit Rhetoric
It’s really good, I thought. It’s by that ex-fundie/anti-abortion guy Frank Schaffer. I think he really nails the dynamic behind the ‘judgement day’ rhetoric:
i read it and its quite good. Well worth a read. I’ve to get to bed. I have a meeting at 7:30AM. Goodnight all.
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:26:48pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
i read it and its quite good. Well worth a read. I’ve to get to bed. I have a meeting at 7:30AM. Goodnight all.
Bye DF. Take care.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:31:09pm |
re: #191 iceweasel
I think it’s pretty clear. In order to be a part of the Tea Party clique one has to be a neo-fundie homophobe that’s also opposed to all forms of abortion. So one might think they’re joining a “club” committed to limited government and fiscal conservatism but it also includes those old fashioned so-con virtues circa 1983.
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Thirty Eight Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:33:17pm |
re: #32 Kruk
Heh. I was getting horror movie flashbacks with that voiceover. “It began…”
Seriously though, this is starting to be noticed outside the US as well. This article on “Disloyal Opposition In The US” is very interesting, and I’d appreciate Lizards’ thoughts on it.
[Link: www.scoop.co.nz…]
Interesting article but I think it’s problematic to compare Obama to Salvador Allende, seeing as Allende actually WAS a Marxist whereas Obama is only called one by his opponents. I also disagree that disloyal opposition is necessarily “unprincipled”, unless the “playing within the rules of the game” supercedes all other principles. IMO Allende’s government was an example of where disloyal opposition is justified.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:34:44pm |
re: #191 iceweasel
Saw that. Alternet publishes some questionable stuff sometimes but this seems to be right on the money.
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:36:39pm |
Is it safe to come out now?
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:38:48pm |
it’s nice to see people posting more music..even tho a lot of it is pure crap, it does take the edge off a bit
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:39:15pm |
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:39:44pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
I think it’s pretty clear. In order to be a part of the Tea Party clique one has to be a neo-fundie homophobe that’s also opposed to all forms of abortion. So one might think they’re joining a “club” committed to limited government and fiscal conservatism but it also includes those old fashioned so-con virtues circa 1983.
Yep. And a healthy dose of that old-time religion.
I think that insofar as any actual strategising and long range planning is going on, a decision has been made to take the GOP backwards. That is, Reagan was elected in part because he made an unholy alliance with the religious right. They emerged as a political force then and we saw the rise of the Moral Majority and operation rescue. Those people were disappointed by Reagan, and Bush Sr, because neither of them had any intention of fulfilling the theocrats dreams of theocracy and implementing the so-con agenda for real.
When GWB was elected, they were over the moon— here was one of their own, finally, they thought. But Bush was likewise a disappointment to them in that way— they didn’t get anything but the appt of a couple of SCOTUS justices.
McCain being nominated was the final blow. Palin was picked as running mate precisely to appease those people— and yet he was still defeated.
And they’re furious. The party strategists seem to be reacting by clinging to that voting bloc, the one that gave them power before— but the world has changed now. That is why all those old actors are back on the scene, like Operation rescue, like Randall terry. The GOP seems to have decided that the solution is to go more Palin, and less McCain— that is, more populist, more theocrat, more so-con, and not moderate.
I think it’s a terrible move, both politically for people on the right (i don’t think it’s a winning strategy) and the nation.
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Bagua Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:42:17pm |
re: #201 freetoken
Oh… we’ll “get through it”… all the way to Christmas… which is only 56 shopping days away!
Sacrilege!
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:42:19pm |
The Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker -Live
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:42:33pm |
re: #202 iceweasel
Looking back (heh… hindsight is wonderful) the GOP was doomed anyway. Gore proved more popular than Bush in 2000, and in 2004, in the midst of a war the sitting President barely got re-elected.
I wonder if the GOP has gotten the memo yet?
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Bagua Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:46:10pm |
re: #206 freetoken
Eeek!
First the heresy of counting the sabbath as a shopping day. {shudder}
Now this whimsical music!
This is unbearably subversive, fire up the Flounce-O-meter.
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Jimmah Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:47:05pm |
re: #204 Conservative Moonbat
The Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker -Live
Ah - Grangemouth’s finest :)
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:48:14pm |
re: #207 Bagua
First the heresy of counting the sabbath as a shopping day. {shudder}
Once you realize the Earth is a sphere, it follows that no matter what day is the “sabbath” for you there is somewhere on the globe that is on a different day!
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:48:51pm |
There will come a time in the near future when I will contribute to liberal war on Christmas by downdinging all Christmas music posts other than John Lennon’s “So this is Christmas (War is Over)”
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:48:57pm |
re: #202 iceweasel
Quickly I would say that Reagan had the background of having been not only a labor leader but having worked with a diverse group of actors and actresses. Reagan was more worldly then any of the current crop of bucolic bumpkin prancing about today holding up a manufactured meme and ideology of “Constitutionalism” and “Patriotism.” The latter of which they always refer to their brothers in arms as patriots.
One of the saving graces of Bush was that he turned out to be more moderate then advertised. I’m glad “the archaic ones” were let down by him. I get a chuckle out of reading how some of the devout practitioners of young Earth creationism were offended by Bush’s statement that evolution is an accepted science. Even though he also made a plug for creationism at the same time.
Right now I think we’re seeing a great deal of political opportunism from the theocrats of the decades old right wing Falwellian base. They see it as a chance to bring back that old time religion into politics in their hopes for a return to power. The conservative movement is still hurting from their losses in 2006 and 2008 are so desperate for a chance to return to power that they wind up leaving themselves open to being co-opted. To that end, the far right extremists and the theocrats are succeeding.
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:34pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
I think it’s pretty clear. In order to be a part of the Tea Party clique one has to be a neo-fundie homophobe that’s also opposed to all forms of abortion. So one might think they’re joining a “club” committed to limited government and fiscal conservatism but it also includes those old fashioned so-con virtues circa 1983.
There will be an issue. The only completely common thread among that crowd is they are conspiratorial minded and lack perspective. They are concerned about increasing government control over issues that are outside the scope of government, which is a valid issue, but they think we are living in the Progressive Socialist Reich right now, which is insane. This insanity is really the only common thread. What will happen is eventually the Paleo-Cons & Christo-kooks will start to butt heads with the secular libertarians and it will get ugly. The people who think they are joining a club committed to limited government and fiscal conservatism, if they are not also sympathetic to the so-con baggage of the movement, will be impure to the So-Cons. I can see both “sides” trying to “purge” the other out of the new “Patriot” movements within a year.
Get your popcorn.
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:49:59pm |
re: #205 freetoken
Looking back (heh… hindsight is wonderful) the GOP was doomed anyway. Gore proved more popular than Bush in 2000, and in 2004, in the midst of a war the sitting President barely got re-elected.
I wonder if the GOP has gotten the memo yet?
multiple trillions in spending, men dying in Afghanistan and a looming tax nightmare?…no the GOP has not got the memo…abortion is the new pink again
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:50:38pm |
re: #205 freetoken
Looking back (heh… hindsight is wonderful) the GOP was doomed anyway. Gore proved more popular than Bush in 2000, and in 2004, in the midst of a war the sitting President barely got re-elected.
I wonder if the GOP has gotten the memo yet?
It’s extremely weird, isn’t it? Looking back seems to be the only thing the GOP can do, but they’re drawing all the wrong conclusions from it— look back to a time when they bragged about a ‘permanent majority’, look back to a time when their messaging machine was incredibly effective, look back to a time (and an America) where the so-con agenda and the religious right were dominant.
The world has changed. Those electoral results you mention were heralding it. Gallup says that the only demographic where the GOP hasn’t taken heavy losses is older, white, male, Christian conservatives who attend church at least once a week. That’s a demographic that is literally dying out. Yet they’re apparently building a party exclusively for it.
For someone on the left, it used to seem like the GOP was invincible in terms of messaging. They couldn’t put a foot wrong and the Dems were (as always) constantly hopping around on one foot with the other permanently stuck in their mouth. They’ve completely collapsed. i still don’t fully understand it.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:51:58pm |
re: #212 ArchangelMichael
Good point. I’m still waiting to hear from the so called secular libertarians. Oddly enough the clarion call of the movement includes Ayn Rand’s John Galt. The author who was a rather strict atheist. I see a lot of double standards with this movement.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:53:22pm |
re: #214 iceweasel
I’m sure we’ll get the Rockefeller Republicans back once this nonsense dies out. I have to believe that.
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:53:57pm |
re: #210 Conservative Moonbat
There will come a time in the near future when I will contribute to liberal war on Christmas by downdinging all Christmas music posts other than John Lennon’s “So this is Christmas (War is Over)”
heh. Upding. But what about this? Can’t we make an exception?
BTW, this is also posted for Jim-ski.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:54:07pm |
re: #217 JasonA
I’m sure we’ll get the
RockefellerGoldwater Republicans back once this nonsense dies out. I have to believe that.
FIFY
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:54:08pm |
re: #208 Jimmah
Cool. I love all the old shoegaze stuff
Galaxie 500 - When Will You Come Home (Live)
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:54:57pm |
re: #217 JasonA
I’m sure we’ll get the Rockefeller Republicans back once this nonsense dies out.
Wall St. is now the domain of the Democrats… at least much more so than in the days of the Rockefeller clan.
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:55:02pm |
re: #210 Conservative Moonbat
BTW, also agree with you about alternet. they do have a lot of questionable stuff, but every once in a while a gem turns up.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:55:41pm |
re: #214 iceweasel
The GOP is almost at the same place when the DNC was faced with the Howard Dean movement. Unlike the DNC, the GOP seems to have decided to embrace their own version of Howard Dean and I think her name is Sarah Palin.
I was looking at the Gallup numbers. It’s interesting that while most Americans seems to be topping out as identifying themselves as conservative but at the same time party affiliation is still in favor of the Democratic Party.
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:55:50pm |
re: #216 Gus 802
Good point. I’m still waiting to hear from the so called secular libertarians. Oddly enough the clarion call of the movement includes Ayn Rand’s John Galt. The author who was a rather strict atheist. I see a lot of double standards with this movement.
a lot of confusion and radical rhetoric…BO has unleashed a shitstorm eh?
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Jack Burton Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:56:48pm |
re: #216 Gus 802
Good point. I’m still waiting to hear from the so called secular libertarians. Oddly enough the clarion call of the movement includes Ayn Rand’s John Galt. The author who was a rather strict atheist. I see a lot of double standards with this movement.
When I was all but a card carrying LP member back in the day, many of them were what I referred to as firebrand athiests who would not put up with any dominionist bullshit. I think the problem is that they are mostly computer geeks that live in their grandmother’s basements with a lot of bark but no bite. The Paleo-cons are steamrolling them and keeping them quiet by name dropping Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine along the way.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:57:34pm |
Whoa, and I thought that the OneNewsNow site was bad…until I found this mass of dribbling insanity called CovenantNews. (I don’t dare link, Charles might not be happy)
Latest Prolife News and Headlines
•Scott Roeder Defense Wants Jurors Abortion Stance Taken Into Account
•Is eBay Being Unfair To Roeder Supporters?
•Abortionists Widow Praises Serial Killer Protection Law
•Coming Soon: Planned Parenthoods Inalienable Right - Sexual Freedom for Children
•Witches Are Murderers Of Both The Born And The Unborn By Abortion
•Gardasil/Cervarix Sham Revealed
•Gardasil Researcher Admits Vaccine May Be More Dangerous than the Disease
•House Democrats Unveil $894 Billion Abortion Health Care Bill
•County Judge Denies Abortion Regulation from Going Into Effect
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:31pm |
re: #221 freetoken
Wall St. is now the domain of the Democrats… at least much more so than in the days of the Rockefeller clan.
certainly…congressional donks are richer than even those skinflint republican now
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Bagua Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:58:43pm |
re: #209 freetoken
Once you realize the Earth is a sphere, it follows that no matter what day is the “sabbath” for you there is somewhere on the globe that is on a different day!
Such thoughts confuse Santa’s brain, leading to…
Tea Party Santa!
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 10:59:13pm |
re: #223 Gus 802
The GOP is almost at the same place when the DNC was faced with the Howard Dean movement. Unlike the DNC, the GOP seems to have decided to embrace their own version of Howard Dean and I think her name is Sarah Palin.
I was looking at the Gallup numbers. It’s interesting that while most Americans seems to be topping out as identifying themselves as conservative but at the same time party affiliation is still in favor of the Democratic Party.
conservatives don’t vote in huge numbers
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:01:11pm |
re: #229 albusteve
Self identifying with such a common label as “conservative” is bound to lead to confusion in polling. One would have to ask specific questions about issues, I think.
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:01:44pm |
re: #223 Gus 802
The GOP is almost at the same place when the DNC was faced with the Howard Dean movement. Unlike the DNC, the GOP seems to have decided to embrace their own version of Howard Dean and I think her name is Sarah Palin.
I was looking at the Gallup numbers. It’s interesting that while most Americans seems to be topping out as identifying themselves as conservative but at the same time party affiliation is still in favor of the Democratic Party.
yes! Completely agree with you vis-a-vis the analogy with the DNC and Dean. I made this point a lot when I first got here and was met with a lot of hostility for it. The fact is the Dems started winning elections when they started marginalising their nuts— and the Dean netroots organisation was still in plave waiting to be tapped into by the next candidate. Which it was, spectacularly so. The GOP could learn a lot from looking at the Dem trajectory.
As for the Gallup numbers— it’s been the case for a long time that Americans will identify as conservative in far greater numbers than they will liberal, but that says something about how they feel about the labels as opposed to mapping strictly onto voting patterns (a mistake Kristol makes, and deliberately, in his most recent column, I think.)
The number the GOP (and everyone) ought to be watching is the boom in people identifying as independent. The fact is no part can win without a sizeable chunk of those folks, and a sizable chunk of the middle. But those are the people the GOP is driving away right now— and if they vote at all they’ll wind up voting Dem now, out of the lack of an alternative.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:02:22pm |
re: #216 Gus 802
Good point. I’m still waiting to hear from the so called secular libertarians. Oddly enough the clarion call of the movement includes Ayn Rand’s John Galt. The author who was a rather strict atheist. I see a lot of double standards with this movement.
That would be fragmentation within the base. Most Ron Paul disciples support him in spite of his fundamentalism. That whole wing will never support theocratic candidates.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:02:59pm |
re: #226 ausador
Whoa, and I thought that the OneNewsNow site was bad…until I found this mass of dribbling insanity called CovenantNews. (I don’t dare link, Charles might not be happy)
Linking directly to that site will lead to deletion of the post. If you must link to sites like that, use the Google cache.
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Jimmah Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:03:29pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
heh. Upding. But what about this? Can’t we make an exception?
BTW, this is also posted for Jim-ski.
Just about my favourite tune just now ice-ski :)
When themes collide : Cocteau Twins - Frosty the Snowman
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:05:35pm |
re: #225 ArchangelMichael
When I was all but a card carrying LP member back in the day, many of them were what I referred to as firebrand athiests who would not put up with any dominionist bullshit. I think the problem is that they are mostly computer geeks that live in their grandmother’s basements with a lot of bark but no bite. The Paleo-cons are steamrolling them and keeping them quiet by name dropping Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine along the way.
It’s a great deal of re-enactment. In fact they even employ re-enactors in this movement. There is a great deal of name dropping and it includes Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and I would add John Adams. The atheists and the secularists have no voice while at the same time they try to employ the secularists of American history they concurrently denounce secularism. I find this odd within the context of the so called “anti-Jihadist bloggers” since secularism is the best means towards stabilization of the Middle East and Jihadism.
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albusteve Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:07:16pm |
re: #230 freetoken
Self identifying with such a common label as “conservative” is bound to lead to confusion in polling. One would have to ask specific questions about issues, I think.
yes, taxation and the runaway budget is the key…but they simply do not get off their butts and vote
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:07:25pm |
re: #219 Sharmuta
Just give me a party that can bring balance to the force. :P
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:07:26pm |
re: #231 iceweasel
The largest demographic remains with independents. The lowest demographic is Republican. The Republicans can get nowhere without attracting independents. To that end and in light of recent events, they are on a path to failure.
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Sharmuta Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:08:27pm |
re: #238 JasonA
Just give me a party that can bring balance to the force. :P
Ooo! A Jedi Party. I actually want to be a Jedi when I grow up, so maybe I should look into that.
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lazardo Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:09:12pm |
re: #231 iceweasel
yes! Completely agree with you vis-a-vis the analogy with the DNC and Dean. I made this point a lot when I first got here and was met with a lot of hostility for it. The fact is the Dems started winning elections when they started marginalising their nuts— and the Dean netroots organisation was still in plave waiting to be tapped into by the next candidate. Which it was, spectacularly so. The GOP could learn a lot from looking at the Dem trajectory.
As for the Gallup numbers— it’s been the case for a long time that Americans will identify as conservative in far greater numbers than they will liberal, but that says something about how they feel about the labels as opposed to mapping strictly onto voting patterns (a mistake Kristol makes, and deliberately, in his most recent column, I think.)
The number the GOP (and everyone) ought to be watching is the boom in people identifying as independent. The fact is no part can win without a sizeable chunk of those folks, and a sizable chunk of the middle. But those are the people the GOP is driving away right now— and if they vote at all they’ll wind up voting Dem now, out of the lack of an alternative.
The DNC can more than afford to take them in anyway with their centrist stance, while a new leftist party can form to take in the more progressive thinkers.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:09:53pm |
re: #226 ausador
Whoa, and I thought that the OneNewsNow site was bad…until I found this mass of dribbling insanity called CovenantNews. (I don’t dare link, Charles might not be happy)
•House Democrats Unveil $894 Billion Abortion Health Care Bill
Because that’s the part of the health care bill that’s really important to point out.
//
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:12:30pm |
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:14:11pm |
re: #244 freetoken
The government is coming to take away your
pornFair and Balanced News sources!/
With GM-Ayers-Marxist-Maoist-Alinsky-Wright!
//Just don’t mention Hank Paulson.
/
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:14:29pm |
re: #225 ArchangelMichael
When I was all but a card carrying LP member back in the day, many of them were what I referred to as firebrand athiests who would not put up with any dominionist bullshit. I think the problem is that they are mostly computer geeks that live in their grandmother’s basements with a lot of bark but no bite. The Paleo-cons are steamrolling them and keeping them quiet by name dropping Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine along the way.
Which is especially ironic as Paine was the first secular progressive, really. I don’t think the paleo-cons would necessarily sign on to his whole agenda.
BTW, loved your song suggestion of the internationale last night. I think I’m adding that to my profile now for a while just for laughs— I found a version of Billy Bragg doing it.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:16:45pm |
re: #246 iceweasel
Which is especially ironic as Paine was the first secular progressive, really. I don’t think the paleo-cons would necessarily sign on to his whole agenda.
BTW, loved your song suggestion of the internationale last night. I think I’m adding that to my profile now for a while just for laughs— I found a version of Billy Bragg doing it.
[Video]
Paine is like required reading when one makes the transition to American atheist. That of course is something that is rejected by paleo-cons and dominionists.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:17:00pm |
re: #240 Sharmuta
Ooo! A Jedi Party. I actually want to be a Jedi when I grow up, so maybe I should look into that.
I think this guy wants to be a Jedi too.
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sngnsgt Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:17:15pm |
re: #244 freetoken
The government is coming to take away your
pornFair and Balanced News sources!/
They’ll never take away my porn, I have DVD’s!
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:18:08pm |
re: #241 lazardo
The DNC can more than afford to take them in anyway with their centrist stance, while a new leftist party can form to take in the more progressive thinkers.
The Green Party is already there for that purpose.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:19:35pm |
re: #226 ausador
Holy $#!&! There’s an article on there titled “Put Homosexuals to the Sword!” This is one scary little site you’ve dredged up!
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lazardo Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:19:49pm |
re: #250 Conservative Moonbat
The Green Party is already there for that purpose.
Perhaps if the Green Party decided to broaden their horizons away from simply going for the Presidency and stick in more City, State and Congressional appointees, then they could do a much better job than they’re doing now.
Oh, and they oughta chuck Cynthia McKinney.
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Cheechako Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:20:08pm |
iceweasel
Jimmah
Gus 802
I think you’ve nailed down the problems with the GOP tonight. I agree with everything you’ve posted.
I do think the theocrats and so-cons will destroy themselves from within. Just hope it happens before the 2010 elections. The major issues in the next election will be the economy and the bloated government spending. Just remember, the Bush “tax cuts” will expire at the end of 2010 and will be a major issue leading up to the election.
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:20:36pm |
re: #248 Conservative Moonbat
I think this guy wants to be a Jedi too.
[Link: pixelatedgeek.com…]
Awww… I couldn’t yell at that adorable TK421 for not being at his post.
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lazardo Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:21:47pm |
re: #252 lazardo
Candidates, not appointees. No freudian slip intended.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:22:23pm |
re: #252 lazardo
Perhaps if the Green Party decided to broaden their horizons away from simply going for the Presidency and stick in more City, State and Congressional appointees, then they could do a much better job than they’re doing now.
Oh, and they oughta chuck Cynthia McKinney.
Going for the presidency is a pretty new thing. There are plenty of greens in local offices. Up until Nader it was their strategy to stick to local races. Incidentaly, I supported them up until Nader.
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:24:25pm |
re: #248 Conservative Moonbat
I think this guy wants to be a Jedi too.
[Link: pixelatedgeek.com…]
Believe it or not, the UK does have a Jedi party…
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
A former town clerk is making a stand against party politics by standing in the May local elections as a Jedi Knight.
And best of all, there’s this:
Jedi Census Phenomenon
In England and Wales 390,127 people (almost 0.8 percent) stated their religion as Jedi on their 2001 Census forms, surpassing Sikhism, Judaism, and Buddhism, and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country.[12] In the 2001 Census 2.6 percent of the population of Brighton claimed to be Jedi.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:25:26pm |
re: #253 Cheechako
iceweasel
Jimmah
Gus 802I think you’ve nailed down the problems with the GOP tonight. I agree with everything you’ve posted.
I do think the theocrats and so-cons will destroy themselves from within. Just hope it happens before the 2010 elections. The major issues in the next election will be the economy and the bloated government spending. Just remember, the Bush “tax cuts” will expire at the end of 2010 and will be a major issue leading up to the election.
If they drop the theocratic tendencies and the so-con agenda then they might stand a chance. Otherwise, I think it’s a no go. Unless of course they play it using a stealth role which they have done before to promote the intelligent design agendas (as an example) on the state level.
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lazardo Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:27:43pm |
re: #257 iceweasel
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
It’s a better 20th-century-founded belief than Scientology. :D
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lazardo Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:29:47pm |
re: #256 Conservative Moonbat
Going for the presidency is a pretty new thing. There are plenty of greens in local offices. Up until Nader it was their strategy to stick to local races. Incidentaly, I supported them up until Nader.
Don’t some people think it was really Nader’s fault Bush got elected? q;
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Four More Tears Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:29:51pm |
re: #259 lazardo
It’s a better 20th-century-founded belief than Scientology. :D
And they’re both complete science fiction!
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simoom Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:31:52pm |
re: #152 Van Helsing
On the rare occasion that Obama tries to cut spending, the pork-plookers in congress prevent it - LA Times
Some things never change.
Some things do. Pres Obama and Sec Gates managed to get a lot of the weapon system cuts they were after into the defense spending bill the President just signed into law. A pretty rare victory over the military lobby and all those they pressured in congress:
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:45:06pm |
re: #260 lazardo
Don’t some people think it was really Nader’s fault Bush got elected? q;
It 100% is. Assuming the Nader voters in Florida would have voted for Gore otherwise, Nader gave the election to Bush.
Until we have election reform and switch to something like IRV in place of the current “first past the post” system, 3rd parties will always be spoilers.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:48:52pm |
re: #264 Conservative Moonbat
Assuming the Nader voters in Florida would have voted for Gore otherwise,…
Disinterested voters they may have become. It isn’t that unusual that even if a voter shows up on election day they skip voting for certain offices, including President.
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iceweasel Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:51:00pm |
re: #258 Gus 802
If they drop the theocratic tendencies and the so-con agenda then they might stand a chance. Otherwise, I think it’s a no go. Unless of course they play it using a stealth role which they have done before to promote the intelligent design agendas (as an example) on the state level.
Sadly, they don’t look like they’re doing that at all. The opposite.
re: #253 Cheechako
I do think the theocrats and so-cons will destroy themselves from within. Just hope it happens before the 2010 elections. The major issues in the next election will be the economy and the bloated government spending. Just remember, the Bush “tax cuts” will expire at the end of 2010 and will be a major issue leading up to the election.
I really hope you’re right about the mutual destruction. I’m absolutely certain you’re right about the rest. Barring a terrorist attack on US soil, the driving force behind the voting patterns is going to be the economy for sure, and spending right behind that.
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Gus Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:58:11pm |
re: #266 iceweasel
I really hope you’re right about the mutual destruction. I’m absolutely certain you’re right about the rest. Barring a terrorist attack on US soil, the driving force behind the voting patterns is going to be the economy for sure, and spending right behind that.
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Gus Fri, Oct 30, 2009 12:00:02am |
re: #267 Gus 802
Footnote. Hot Air types like Carlin except for this video.
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iceweasel Fri, Oct 30, 2009 12:04:59am |
re: #268 Gus 802
Footnote. Hot Air types like Carlin except for this video.
That was brilliant. Favourited. Never saw it before. Thanks!
REM: Losing My Religion
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Gus Fri, Oct 30, 2009 12:13:40am |
re: #269 iceweasel
That was brilliant. Favourited. Never saw it before. Thanks!
REM: Losing My Religion
I was thinking about that song as well.
We must obey our overlords. I’m in the middle of moving. Last few days. I already invested over 60,000 in my apartment. I missed 800 so I have to go. It’s the American way. My reason for being is to serve my landlord investors, credit card companies, my insurance company, the tax man, etc. I lost my religion a long time ago. We are here to serve out debt and help the rich make a profit. If you miss a step you are said to deserve what comes to you even if you die.
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Bagua Fri, Oct 30, 2009 12:19:01am |
re: #270 Gus 802
We are here to serve out debt and help the rich make a profit.
Your efforts are appreciated. It’s tough making a profit these days.
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iceweasel Fri, Oct 30, 2009 12:30:27am |
re: #270 Gus 802
I was thinking about that song as well.
We must obey our overlords. I’m in the middle of moving. Last few days. I already invested over 60,000 in my apartment. I missed 800 so I have to go. It’s the American way. My reason for being is to serve my landlord investors, credit card companies, my insurance company, the tax man, etc. I lost my religion a long time ago. We are here to serve out debt and help the rich make a profit. If you miss a step you are said to deserve what comes to you even if you die.
Oh jesus christ. Gus, I am so incredibly sorry to hear that. fucking unbelievable that the bastards can do that to you! I’m appalled!
Ugh. I’m so sorry.
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freetoken Fri, Oct 30, 2009 1:08:10am |
re: #270 Gus 802
I’m in the middle of moving. Last few days. I already invested over 60,000 in my apartment. I missed 800 so I have to go. It’s the American way.
Seriously? You were late with one rent payment and they are evicting you? Given the vacancy rates in many areas, I’m surprised they didn’t want to work with you.
Hope it all turns out well.
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The Dude Fri, Oct 30, 2009 4:11:06am |
It’s interesting that while most Americans seems to be topping out as identifying themselves as conservative but at the same time party affiliation is still in favor of the Democratic Party.
I really don’t think it matters how people identify themselves ideologically. If people are affiliating themselves with the Democratic Party then they’re not conservative. They’re people who (surprise!) vote based on emotion rather than research and intellect.
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ulmsey123 Fri, Oct 30, 2009 4:53:37am |
re: #30 Walter L. Newton
So, when we were at war with Japan and Germany, you approve of the relocation of American citizens?
It’s interesting to see how society has shifted here. Once upon a time it was considered our civic duty to speak up; to voice our opinions. Now that many are speaking up, they are mocked and given nasty labels. The Government cannot be questioned and those who do are “jerks”.
Nice logic there. Good luck with that.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 30, 2009 5:16:45am |
I am impressed by the way they show the TP growing as a “grassroots” movement - without any involvement from Fox News…
The discussion of who would lead the Oath Keepers reminds me of a question raised by historians about the Confederacy: what would have happened to them if they had prevailed?
Would they have stayed together as a single Confederate States of America, or would they have started seceeding from each other, forming another dozen “sovereign” nations, permanently at loggerheads with each other?
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 30, 2009 6:20:03am |
re: #39 jeremy0114
You mean; if it only has the finest, tiniest, miniscule, shred of truth in it.
“It works for Rush.”
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The Dude Fri, Oct 30, 2009 6:37:22am |
The Government cannot be questioned and those who do are “jerks”.
You can only question those on the right whose views more closely resemble your own, even if you don’t agree with them 100% of the time. You can’t question the party on the left (or any of its members) that seeks a greater expansion of the federal government and its subsequent intervention into the economy and our way of life. If you question that then you’re a so-con, racist jerk apparently; regardless of your real motive for believing as you do.
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 30, 2009 6:48:48am |
re: #276 ulmsey123
FDR’s interment of American’s of Japanese decent was certainly more than unfortunate.
However; to compare those interments to supposed repression of the tea bagger’s complaints concerning TARP and the push for a Public Health Option is beyond ridicules. It appears to me the ‘bagger folks are alive and well and in full, robust bugle…
No repression there..!
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lrsshadow Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:03:59am |
re: #99 funky chicken
Eh, you forgot all of the serious lunatics during Bill Clinton’s time in office, with their crazy videos about all the supposed murders Hillary and Bill had committed in Arkansas, etc.
I’m not a WJC fan, and lots of military folks had terrible experiences with Hillary during those years, but the right wing went absolutely nutso when Clinton was president.
Yes, but don’t forget that the Right had much more to go nut-so over. Obama’s presidency has been pretty docile for the most part compared to the first year of Clinton. Under Clinton his first few months were rocked by Somalia (all his fault clearly, I am not being sarcastic it was all his fault), and Waco (all his fault clearly, I am not being sarcastic it was all his fault).
Under Obama we don’t see any overt action causing shame and loss of life to this country. With the new media however, access to information is more available and I would say that peoples threshold for putting up with the “idiots in washington” is much lower. If Obama is not careful he will find himself in the same position that Carter was in the 1980 election.
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lrsshadow Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:06:21am |
re: #278 oldegeezr
You mean; if it only has the finest, tiniest, miniscule, shred of truth in it.
That is why you should listen to Micheal Savage, he is always on point and says the most ridiculous stuff that is unimaginable, surprisingly though he is correct in most of his rants. That is the real scary part.
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:24:53am |
re: #282 lrsshadow
I used to listen to Michael Alan Weiner, whine on WHAS, Cincinnati.
They dumped Weiner and replaced him with another whiner, Mark Levin. Damn; when he goes rogue it’s like sharp fingernails on a blackboard…!
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celticdragon Fri, Oct 30, 2009 8:27:11am |
re: #282 lrsshadow
He is a hateful, homophobic mysogynistic ass.
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celticdragon Fri, Oct 30, 2009 8:30:37am |
re: #226 ausador
Whoa, and I thought that the OneNewsNow site was bad…until I found this mass of dribbling insanity called CovenantNews. (I don’t dare link, Charles might not be happy)
Oh my God. More of the “Gardisil has to be banned so that sluts who screw guys get their just punishment from God!!!” crowd.
Wow.
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 30, 2009 8:54:05am |
re: #285 celticdragon
“Oh my God. More of the “Gardisil has to be banned so that sluts who screw guys get their just punishment from God!!!” crowd.”
Right on, right on, right on…
mmm, mmm, mmm…!~~~El R.
“Girls they just wanna have fun”…!
You dah babe, CD…!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 30, 2009 1:39:56pm |
It comes across to me almost as if this was a satire of the tea party movement.
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Kruk Fri, Oct 30, 2009 2:50:26pm |
re: #257 iceweasel
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
I’m a die-hard Star Wars fan, but I never got this “Jedi as a religion” thing. The Jedi in both the movies and the expanded universe (books, comics, etc.) were an order of knighthood. The order required its members to have specific skills and personality traits in order to join, and to pass very rigorous tests in order to become a fully fledged Jedi Knight. Simply believing in the Force, being able to sense the Force, or even being able to manipulate the Force didn’t make you a Jedi. All of the people who referred to the Jedi as a religion in the movies (Han Solo, Moff Tarkin, the guy Vader Force-choked on the Death Star) had at best a very shallow knowledge of the Jedi and the Force. There were also “Force worshipers” in the expanded universe who were quite different from the Jedi.
Yes, I’m a geek. I made peace with that fact long ago. :)
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Political Atheist Fri, Oct 30, 2009 4:14:47pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
So Now I find the link the next day…Darn it!!
For example, on July 29, 1996, Bill Clinton unveiled a proposal to expand government surveillance by permitting the use of “roving wiretaps.”
Then-Speaker Newt Gingrich said he was willing to consider changes to the law, but vowed to do so “in a methodical way that preserves our freedoms.”
[Link: www.cato.org…]
Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches
Does anyone remember that?
In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has “inherent authority” to order physical searches — including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens — for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body.
“It is important to understand,” Gorelick continued, “that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities.”
Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against “a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power.”
The debate over warrantless searches came up after the case of CIA spy Aldrich Ames. Authorities had searched Ames’s house without a warrant, and the Justice Department feared that Ames’s lawyers would challenge the search in court. Meanwhile, Congress began discussing a measure under which the authorization for break-ins would be handled like the authorization for wiretaps, that is, by the FISA court. In her testimony, Gorelick signaled that the administration would go along a congressional decision to place such searches under the court — if, as she testified, it “does not restrict the president’s ability to collect foreign intelligence necessary for the national security.” In the end, Congress placed the searches under the FISA court, but the Clinton administration did not back down from its contention that the president had the authority to act when necessary.
[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 30, 2009 6:33:05pm |
re: #292 RightwingconspiratorOn this thread…with the “tea baggers” yeh wanna expand the discourse concerning…
“…government surveillance by permitting the use of “roving wiretaps.”
“Shall we dispose our ownselves …to the library for brandies…?”
“Yes indeed… why not…?”
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oldegeezr Fri, Oct 30, 2009 8:10:47pm |
“It is important to understand,” Gorelick continued, “that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities.”
I’ve always been under the impression that “Gorelich” …was the be and end all… of the total break down of inter-agency communications…with her insistence for inter-agency compartmintation, of ops and intel…?
Gotta stop listening to the radio…!
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Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 30, 2009 9:25:02pm |
Underwritten and sponsored by Fox News.
Meh.
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