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The shore... waves splash against their boundaries... blue kisses tanned yellows... where water meets rock... a place to contemplate life when one has nothing else to do ... which reminds me of a special Christmas tune that seems quite appropriate wrt the last thread:
The shore... waves splash against their boundaries... blue kisses tanned yellows... where water meets rock... a place to contemplate life when one has nothing else to do ... which reminds me of a special Christmas tune that seems quite appropriate wrt the last thread:
[Video]/you only got 55 days left...
I don't start my Christmas shopping until November as a matter of principle.
Off I go to bed. The kids were already in near-meltdown today over Halloween; I have to be ready for an early start to a long day of costume-wearing and candy-gathering anticipation. Happy Evil-Spirit's Eve to All!
Sheesh! Earlier tonight I talked with my antivax friend who contracted the flu after he steadfastly refused to get the vaccine. He and his 10 year old son are recovering fairly well. I forebore mentioning the vaccine.
Unfortunately, the dad also has a very bad case of ODS.
He launched into a bitter denunciation of Obama's trip to Dover to meet our returning war dead, calling it a "photo op" and gloating that some of the famlies allegedly refused to be photographed with the President. (It might not have occurred to Mr. Antivax/ODS that the families did not want to be photographed at all on such an occasion, POTUS or not.)
Now, I am not a big fan of Obama, and I didn't vote for him, but I just do not understand those on the right who seem to be eaten alive with hatred for the man. They are not a loyal opposition, they are more like a pack of rabid dogs. To them, Obama literally can't do anything right. For example, I asked Mr. Antivax how Obama's visit to Dover would have been different if it had been a pure act of humanity and compassion rather than a cynical political ploy. His answer: If someone other than Obama had done it.
Sheesh! Earlier tonight I talked with my antivax friend who contracted the flu after he steadfastly refused to get the vaccine. He and his 10 year old son are recovering fairly well. I forebore mentioning the vaccine.
Unfortunately, the dad also has a very bad case of ODS.
He launched into a bitter denunciation of Obama's trip to Dover to meet our returning war dead, calling it a "photo op" and gloating that some of the famlies allegedly refused to be photographed with the President. (It might not have occurred to Mr. Antivax/ODS that the families did not want to be photographed at all on such an occasion, POTUS or not.)
Now, I am not a big fan of Obama, and I didn't vote for him, but I just do not understand those on the right who seem to be eaten alive with hatred for the man. They are not a loyal opposition, they are more like a pack of rabid dogs. To them, Obama literally can't do anything right. For example, I asked Mr. Antivax how Obama's visit to Dover would have been different if it had been a pure act of humanity and compassion rather than a cynical political ploy. His answer: If someone other than Obama had done it.
That last sentence really does sum up any Derangement Syndrome in a nutshell (pun intended). The person who is the target if the craziness comes to represent utter evil and must always be opposed no matter what they do. Its deeply sick and very sad to see.
I absolutely agree on the creepiness of ODS. To me, it looks the same as BDS. I'm beginning to sense a pattern here and it worries me to death. We have seen almost a decade of the opposition perfectly willing to tear down just about anything, so long as the party in power gets hurt in the process.
It was unpatriotic when Bush was president and it's unpatriotic now. If it goes on much longer, it could suck beyond our wildest imagination.
It was unpatriotic when Bush was president and it's unpatriotic now. If it goes on much longer, it could suck beyond our wildest imagination.
I'll tread lightly on this but something seems more remarkable about Obama hate than Bush hate. I mean Bush started a pre-emptive war. Right or wrong, whether or not you support it, that's a huge fucking deal and you know it will trigger radical response. I think anyone who knows anything about American politics knows that war can be a flash-point for even the moderate lefties and its going to bring out the crazies in full force. Look what happened to Lyndon Johnson.
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
This isn't about one president deserves it and one doesn't, but it just seems like many on the right are trying to use this period as payback for the bush-era.
Again, I'm trying to ask this question delicately, and I'm not saying Bush deserved the hate, but just that you might expect it if you know how the left reacts.
I'll tread lightly on this but something seems more remarkable about Obama hate than Bush hate. I mean Bush started a pre-emptive war. Right or wrong, whether or not you support it, that's a huge fucking deal and you know it will trigger radical response. I think anyone who knows anything about American politics knows that war can be a flash-point for even the moderate lefties and its going to bring out the crazies in full force. Look what happened to Lyndon Johnson.
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
This isn't about one president deserves it and one doesn't, but it just seems like many on the right are trying to use this period as payback for the bush-era.
Again, I'm trying to ask this question delicately, and I'm not saying Bush deserved the hate, but just that you might expect it if you know how the left reacts.
He won, plain and simple. And after listening to the BDS crowd for 8 years he simply became the target of pent up anger.
It might help if major politicians would make more of an effort to show that they like and respect each other personally, as most of them actually do. Obama and McCain did some of this during the campaign during the campaign last year but it was not enough to register on their crazier supporters.
At one time, it was taken for granted that the great men of politics, at least at the national level, could be friendly personally while remaining political adversaries. The classic example might be John F. Kennedy and Barry Goldwater. They were polar opposites politically, sharing almost nothing but a mutual detestation of communism, but they were great friends personally and spent a great deal of time drinking, fishing, and generally socializing together.
During the summer of 1963, when it first seemed likely that Goldwater might be JFK's opponent in the 1964 election, the two hatched a plan to conduct the campaign as a kind of joint whistle-stop tour. They would criss-cross the country on the same train, holding debates at every stop along the way. Since they were both notable party animals, it could have been an interesting trip indeed and it might have permanently changed the tone of American politics. Alas, it was not to be.
I'll tread lightly on this but something seems more remarkable about Obama hate than Bush hate. I mean Bush started a pre-emptive war. Right or wrong, whether or not you support it, that's a huge fucking deal and you know it will trigger radical response. I think anyone who knows anything about American politics knows that war can be a flash-point for even the moderate lefties and its going to bring out the crazies in full force. Look what happened to Lyndon Johnson.
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
This isn't about one president deserves it and one doesn't, but it just seems like many on the right are trying to use this period as payback for the bush-era.
Again, I'm trying to ask this question delicately, and I'm not saying Bush deserved the hate, but just that you might expect it if you know how the left reacts.
I kinda agree but Bush was hated even before any war. People hated him before he was inaugurated! Remember why Jeffords bailed? Remember all the filibusters even before 9/11? Remember how 2 of Bush's first 11 judicial appointments were ones Clinton had tried to appoint and they were quickly confirmed but most of the rest either never got confirmed or were part of the "gang of 14" plan 4 years later?
And Clinton was hated before that, and Bush 1 before that. I don't want to pin this on any one side. It's been building for decades. It seems to get a bit worse every administration. Imagine if it keeps rising!
Hatred of any Republican President is endemic since Nixon. The media and the 60's types remember longingly that victory and lust for a repeat. The OBS appears much more grass roots, with the exception of the influence of FOX, but even then it is not the latent type we see in the rest of the MSM and left.
WANTAGE, N.J. (AP) - Police in New Jersey are trying to determine who fired a bullet that struck CNN commentator Lou Dobbs' home as his wife stood nearby. State police Sgt. Stephen Jones says Dobbs' wife and driver were outside the home Oct. 5 when they heard the gunshot. Jones says the bullet didn't penetrate the siding and fell to the ground outside.
Dobbs mentioned the bullet earlier this week on CNN and his radio show.
Dobbs says he had been receiving threatening phone calls for weeks. On his radio show, he connected the gunshot to his advocacy for a crackdown on illegal immigration and to his opponents' rhetoric.
The home is on a farm in Wantage, about 50 miles northwest of New York City.
It is small-game hunting season, but no hunters were seen in the area.
Not to minimize this incident, but it does seem that Dobbs is jumping to conclusions. Sniper attacks just aren't the batshit left's style, they are more into bombs, probably a result of being outside the gun culture and consequently lacking the necessary skills. If it was a small game hunter who realized he had bagged a house rather than a varmint, he would almost certainly have skeddaddled before the state police could arrive.
I'd like to thank everyone for keeping a relatively even keel on that last thread. Not every point was answered, not every slam was responded to. All in all, very civil. Thanks to the board!
And good night, my dear Lizards. I don't think a lot of the poster's here have any idea how singular this site is. Kudos to all involved, and my deepest regards.
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
The stimulus, Cap and trade and 0bamacare- bad, bad, god-awful policies that will harm the country and he's trying to pass through on the basis of his personality with no questions asked. Granted those crap-tastic ideas aren't his alone, but ultimately he gets to sign off on them and there's more in the pipeline (Card Check, a 2nd stimulus).
Bush won re-election by a wider margin than 0bama did, and one of the first things we heard the Fat Fuck From Flint Micheal Moore say was '56% isn't a mandate, Mr. Bush'...but apparently to these hypocrates on the left, 52% is a mandate when their guy won.
I have no problem when he does the right thing (Maersk Alabama; various predator drone strikes in Pakistan that I'm sure he signed off on at some point)...especially when they result in the enemies of the United States of America being killed. But the guy's a smarmy, thin-skinned Chicago hack who's barely been asked a difficult question by his MSM cheerleaders. I have zero faith or trust in the guy based on what he's trying to achieve domestically.
Bush won re-election by a wider margin than 0bama did, and one of the first things we heard the Fat Fuck From Flint Micheal Moore say was '56% isn't a mandate, Mr. Bush'...but apparently to these hypocrates on the left, 52% is a mandate when their guy won.
Note that GWB just got over half of the popular vote. It has been noted that his results were among the lowest for a sitting President who got re-elected, and especially during wartime seemed rather low.
If that makes me an 0DS sufferer, so be it.
Frankly, at times it does seem you have a mild case of ODS. I've never understood your hatred for Obama.
I think you're not who I'm talking about here. You at least acknowledge he's done some right things.
If you say, for instance, UHC would make us no better than Nazi Germany, you may have ODS.
Not to minimize this incident, but it does seem that Dobbs is jumping to conclusions. Sniper attacks just aren't the batshit left's style, they are more into bombs, probably a result of being outside the gun culture and consequently lacking the necessary skills. If it was a small game hunter who realized he had bagged a house rather than a varmint, he would almost certainly have skeddaddled before the state police could arrive.
I kinda agree but Bush was hated even before any war. People hated him before he was inaugurated! Remember why Jeffords bailed? Remember all the filibusters even before 9/11? Remember how 2 of Bush's first 11 judicial appointments were ones Clinton had tried to appoint and they were quickly confirmed but most of the rest either never got confirmed or were part of the "gang of 14" plan 4 years later?
I could be misremembering but that stuff seemed politics as usual. Opposition being the opposition.
The opposition took a sharp turn at the Patriot Act and went off the rails after Iraq.
William Ayers certainly didn't know anything about bombs- otherwise his weather udnerground buddies might still be alive instead of the GIs at Fort Dix their little ill-fated science project was intended for.
Oh wait...I guess Ayers is a foaming-at-the-mouth right winger.
Keep in mind that Bill Ayers's friends back in '70 did not blow themselves up with party balloons and you would have to be Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck to think of them as liberals.
The opposition took a sharp turn at the Patriot Act and went off the rails after Iraq.
IIRC the Patriot Act passed with only one senator voting against it. Anthrax.
The opposition party still authorized, and funded Bush's wars. I don't think that today's Republican opposition is the same as the Dems were under bush.
William Ayers certainly didn't know anything about bombs- otherwise his weather udnerground buddies might still be alive instead of the GIs at Fort Dix their little ill-fated science project was intended for.
Oh wait...I guess Ayers is a foaming-at-the-mouth right winger.
Ayers? Please.
Do we have anything within the last three decades?
Well, just one loose-knit gang, the animal rightists (not known for their rightist associations, however) at the Revolutionary Cells – Animal Liberation Brigade, have managed the following just since 2003:
The RCALB took credit for its first action on August 27, 2003, when two "pipe bombs filled with an ammonium nitrate" were placed at Chiron Corporation's offices in Emeryville, California...
In September 2003, the RCALB took responsibility for another bombing, this time at the offices of Shaklee Inc...
Incendiary device
On June 24, 2007, an explosive device was placed under a car belonging to Arthur Rosenbaum, a pediatric ophthalmologist who carries out animal experimentation with cats and rhesus monkeys...
Letter bombs
Although no suspicious packages have yet been found, RCALB claimed in January 2009 to Indybay that they sent two UC Davis animal researchers letter bombs...
Vehicle firebombed
In the early hours of March 7, 2009, the Animal Liberation Brigade once again targeted UCLA. This time setting ablaze and destroying a car belonging to a researcher.
It's to an article I linked to in the spinoff links...how the hell did it get set as my homepage in the process?
/Article quotes Taliban spokesfecalmatter as saying this week's Peshawar attacks were the work of Blackwater USA.
Actually, I've had that happen too. The last link I post in spin-offs will appear in the posting box as my homepage. Sometimes I have to delete it, after which my original homepage, NuclearSpace, will return by itself. Very odd.
This obituary for one of the WWII Navajo Code-Talkers is near and dear to me for some reason. Earlier it was just a link to the really short USA Today writeup, but I was able to link to the Navajo tribal newspaper that has a more detailed bio and some worthwhile quotes from an earlier interview.
I might tinker with the timestamp so it'll appear at the top of my blog for a little while.
/Here's to a life well-lived, Mr. Oliver. God bless and thank you!
I might tinker with the timestamp so it'll appear at the top of my blog for a little while.
Steady on mate, that's how it starts you know, tinker with a timestamp here and there, later a few stealth edits, next thing you know you're covering up all sorts of iniquity and adverts pimping gold start appearing on your blog.
It's a slippery slope and there's no turning back when you start fabricating data.
Disturbing details emerge on this sinister and shadowy group.
The Schroedinger Cat Liberation Front aims to save cats from cruel experiments carried out in all theoretical physics labs in the planet. As you may know there is a (thought, they say!)experimant that was devised by the Nazi scientist, Erwin Schrödinger, that occurres in the death of the cat 50% of the time. We cannot afford a loss of felines so high, we will take any action to liberate the cats by opening their little black boxes!
I do understand their grievance, I lost a cat under very suspicious circumstances once. The desire for revenge is there.
But what ennobles us as humans is the ability to put aside our rage and just accept that sometimes bad things happen to good cats and we can't protect them all... and in any case, must never resort to extreme measures to promote our political goals.
Ciavarella faces criminal charges that accuse him of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks from owners of private detention centers in exchange for placing juvenile defendants at their facilities, often for minor crimes.
In one reported case, a college-bound high school student served three weeks in juvenile detention for making fun of the school principal on a Web site.
The court said that it "cannot have any confidence that Ciavarella decided any Luzerne County juvenile case fairly and impartially while he labored under the specter of his self-interested dealings with the facilities," and called Ciavarella's actions a "travesty of juvenile justice."
The decision could impact up to 6,500 Pennsylvania youth, whose juvenile detention records will now be erased and their cases dismissed without the possibility of retrial.
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The ruling is the latest stunning development in a story of corruption that first shocked Luzerne County residents in January 2009. Federal prosecutors announced that respected county judges Ciavarella and Michael Conahan had pleaded guilty to tax evasion and honest services fraud. However, their plea deal and relatively light sentence were later rejected by a federal judge who ruled that Ciavarella and Conahan had failed to accept responsibility for their crimes. In fact, Ciavarella had previously told "20/20" that "we would never agree that [the kids' sentencing] was improper."
Now, the two former judges face much more serious federal racketeering, bribery, and extortion charges. All of this is the result of a lengthy investigation by the Internal Revenue Service and the FBI. Ciavarella and Conahan have pleaded not guilty.
"They sold their oath of offices to the highest bidders and engaged in ongoing schemes to defraud the public of honest services that were expected from them," Deron Roberts, chief of the FBI's Scranton office, said at a late January news conference announcing the case.
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Ciavarella and Conahan had allegedly devised a plot to use their positions as judges to pad their pockets. They shut down the old county-run juvenile detention center by first refusing to send kids there and, then, by cutting off funds, choking it out of existence.
They then replaced the facility with a cash cow -- a privately owned lockup built by the judges' cronies -- and forged a deal for the county to pay $58 million for a 10-year period for its use. At the time, Conahan was serving as president judge of the Luzerne County Common Pleas Court, a position that allowed him to control the county-court budget. Ciavarella was the Luzerne County juvenile court judge.
Definitely. Just about the worst kind of corruption and miscarriage of justice imaginable. Imprisoning juveniles for profit.
What perplexes is me is this:
"I think that we had a conspiracy of silence going on in Luzerne County," Levick said. "There were officers of the court, there were members of the district attorney's office, members of probation, private lawyers, public defenders, who were in the courtroom every day. And they had to know what was happening and whether it was by virtue of intimidation or an unwillingness to get involved. The fact remains that nobody stood up."
"I think that we had a conspiracy of silence going on in Luzerne County," Levick said. "There were officers of the court, there were members of the district attorney's office, members of probation, private lawyers, public defenders, who were in the courtroom every day. And they had to know what was happening and whether it was by virtue of intimidation or an unwillingness to get involved. The fact remains that nobody stood up."
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
Paraphrased, when I went to comments it disappeared, that's what I can remember.
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
Paraphrased, when I went to comments it disappeared, that's what I can remember.
Gotta run lizards. Time to start prepping for my squadron's ready room tailgate of the FL/GA Game. The keg of homemade Cherry Wheat is chilled and ready to go. Should be a fun day.
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
Paraphrased, when I went to comments it disappeared, that's what I can remember.
Just thought it was a little funny.
The whole "targeted ads" schtick is so much BS. All those algorithms do is count words, and stick ads on pages with high counts. They are completely unsophisticated in their selection, so if the word "creationism" pops up frequently, it'll get an ad targeting creationists, even if the page in question is a site wholly critical of the subject.
I would never pay more for such a service than I would for a service that simply placed ads at random.
The Doors (3 stars) 1991 Jim Morrison ( Val Kilmer) forms a band and turns tragic 1960's 1960s rock star.
I'm blown away by Val's performance in this movie. I guess I can't make fun of the ice-man any more. He played the part of Morrison of inspired genius.
He deserved an Oscar and I highly recommend this movie.
I'd rather see them in 23-hour lockdown for the rest of their lives.
Works for me, too, but that won't happen anywhere I know about. County jails, meanwhile, are usually a lot more "lenient" when it comes to things like salad tossing than the Feds are.
Heh. I was reading the thread downstairs, thinking that in honor of the new version of the Origin being peddled, I need to release a "special" edition of Genesis, leaving out the unimportant bits and including my own commentary...
Some other bad? Some of those kids were pretty frickin' guilty too.
But, I feel great sadness for those kids who were sold, I don't know another word for it than human trafficking.
How can guilt be determined in a hearing of less than five minutes' duration, especially when the court already had detemined the child was going to prison?
I posted that in yesterdays morning thread. I was sure there would be people who would try to explain how the judge has a hard job to do and he was just doing what he thought was best for the children, the millions exchanging hands is pure coincidence. 99.9% of judges are good people after all.
The Doors (3 stars) 1991 Jim Morrison ( Val Kilmer) forms a band and turns tragic 1960's 1960s rock star.
I'm blown away by Val's performance in this movie. I guess I can't make fun of the ice-man any more. He played the part of Morrison of inspired genius.
He deserved an Oscar and I highly recommend this movie.
Kilmer got the part after making a video of himself performing Doors material and playing it for Stone. He told Stone that songs were mixed up between his own singing and Morrison's. He asked Stone to tell them apart; after he made his guesses as to who was singing what songs, Kilmer admitted that the entire video was him singing.
Works for me, too, but that won't happen anywhere I know about. County jails, meanwhile, are usually a lot more "lenient" when it comes to things like salad tossing than the Feds are.
Typically, county jails hold defendants for trial and convicts serving 11/29 on state charges, and these are federal charges.
Kilmer got the part after making a video of himself performing Doors material and playing it for Stone. He told Stone that songs were mixed up between his own singing and Morrison's. He asked Stone to tell them apart; after he made his guesses as to who was singing what songs, Kilmer admitted that the entire video was him singing.
Just amazing piece of art...I always thought Val was a second rate actor.. No more.
I posted that in yesterdays morning thread. I was sure there would be people who would try to explain how the judge has a hard job to do and he was just doing what he thought was best for the children, the millions exchanging hands is pure coincidence. 99.9% of judges are good people after all.
The only people I can imagine who hold that attitude are the judges, their families and their attorneys. As for 99.9 per cent of judges being good people, in my career as a reporter and my work as a paralegal, I've found that to be generally true but, I've also seen some doozies on the bench!
Typically, county jails hold defendants for trial and convicts serving 11/29 on state charges, and these are federal charges.
Oh - I didn't realize they were Federal charges. So much for that idea, then.
My next hope is that he gets his ass sued, and all those millions he received go to his victims. Same with those running the institutions he was supplying.
Oh - I didn't realize they were Federal charges. So much for that idea, then.
My next hope is that he gets his ass sued, and all those millions he received go to his victims. Same with those running the institutions he was supplying.
I don't see how either can cloak themselves in governmental immunity.
The Supreme Court's Imbler opinion is quite broad. It grants prosecutors absolute immunity from § 1983 lawsuits even if they knowingly used perjured testimony at trial, deliberately withheld exculpatory information, or failed to make a full disclosure of all facts casting doubt upon the state's testimony.
If prosecutors have absolute immunity even if they make up evidence, what's to stop judges from enjoying the same kind of immunity?
If prosecutors have absolute immunity even if they make up evidence, what's to stop judges from enjoying the same kind of immunity?
Destroying a state institution (the juvenile lock up) in order to create an enterprise from which they would profit after giving no due process to the defendants? I just don't see GI going that far.
If prosecutors have absolute immunity even if they make up evidence, what's to stop judges from enjoying the same kind of immunity?
It isn't absolute immunity. It's immunity against civil lawsuits. They're still liable for a whole truckload of criminal and ethical charges.
Not to imply that this decision should stand, but it isn't an absolute roadblock to prosecution by any stretch. It does, however, stand in the way of allowing victims to seek damages from those responsible, a matter that ought to be revisited.
With countless examples of the media ignoring news that might damage Democrats, it seems this practice has bred a sense of security among the party's leaders. They even appear emboldened by their media allies as they get closer than ever to something they've craved for decades: complete control of the health care industry. To wit, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her band of Pelosheviks are compelled to tell us that things are not what we know they are. Last week, Pelosi said with a straight face (I've been waiting to use that line) that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts next year will not be a tax increase, but rather the "eliminating a tax decrease that was there." This would be funny stuff if she were not in charge of our nation's fiscal health. Don't hold your breath waiting for that kind of health reform.
With countless examples of the media ignoring news that might damage Democrats, it seems this practice has bred a sense of security among the party's leaders. They even appear emboldened by their media allies as they get closer than ever to something they've craved for decades: complete control of the health care industry. To wit, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her band of Pelosheviks are compelled to tell us that things are not what we know they are. Last week, Pelosi said with a straight face (I've been waiting to use that line) that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts next year will not be a tax increase, but rather the "eliminating a tax decrease that was there." This would be funny stuff if she were not in charge of our nation's fiscal health. Don't hold your breath waiting for that kind of health reform.
re: #99 SixDegrees
True. The judge who accepted the bribes in Pn will likely go to prison but the Pottawattamie v. McGhee case brings up an interesting question. if they have unqualified immunity for their actions before and during the trial what's to stop them from arguing the exchange of money is no worse than manufacturing evidence since the end result is the same.
the liberal left have turned into religious freaks that worship at the alter of control and indoctrination...they want it all regardless of whether it is good for America or not...they have become fanatic in their pursuit of power until reality has no meaning
“Frankly, it was a waste of my time,” said one assistant professor from the Fatima Jinnah Women’s University (FJWU) in Rawalpindi, who asked not to be named. “[Clinton] wasn’t interested in hearing the about the layman’s problems or the reality of our daily lives.”
That caused many, such as Shazia Marri, the information minister of the Sindh province, to leave the meeting frustrated that their concerns were not heard. “Emancipated women in Pakistan have a clear point of view that did not come across,” she said.
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It didn’t help that many women objected to the format of the discussion, which was moderated by five female news anchors. Before Clinton arrived, one State Department representative explained that the format aimed to imitate the popular talk show, ‘The View.’
But it seems the women were not all convinced that the show is what the meeting most closely mirrored. “This meeting was as micromanaged as our country’s internal affairs,” quipped the FJWU professor. “[The Americans] were trying to retain the upper-hand in the conversation.”
the liberal left have turned into religious freaks that worship at the alter of control and indoctrination...they want it all regardless of whether it is good for America or not...they have become fanatic in their pursuit of power until reality has no meaning
This is the group that has worked hard to deconstruct reality in education, to foist moral equivalence on us.
As a matter-of-fact, I had a buddy who lived a couple blocks from a radio station where Alice was doing an interview the day before a show. We decided to go down and see if he'd sign some shirts for us. This was late 80's, I think he was pimping the Poison album. There were only 2 groups of people waiting, us and some others, maybe 8 people total. He came out and signed autographs, took pics, and chatted for a solid 15 mins, he was very nice about it.
This is the group that has worked hard to deconstruct reality in education, to foist moral equivalence on us.
diversity, choice, world community, redistribution, consenting adults, cultural pluralism, anti military, reduction of American status...and I get slammed for calling them sick fuckers...too bad
The Dems have a huge problem looming in their future - the ever-increasing deficit, already at record levels, is only going to get bigger under their leadership. This is already causing grumbling within their own ranks, and outright terror everywhere else, as the unsustainability of their policies becomes apparent.
And the Dems are hamstrung by 0bama's pronouncement, reminiscent of Bush I, of no tax increases. The Dems simply don't know how to cut spending, only increase it; and they're forbidden to raise revenue through tax increases. What to do?
Well, you can employ various stealth measures like this one, allowing tax decreases with time limits on them to expire, then claiming it wasn't really an increase but a "restoration" of ordinary taxation. You can increase a host of fines, fees, mandates and other things that technically aren't taxes, but that walk and quack just like them all the same. And, finally, you can selectively raise taxes on vilified groups, like "the rich," while constantly re-defining exactly what constitutes this class until it includes anyone in the middle class.
The other stone around the Dem's neck is the economy. Any increase in taxes, fees or other source that transfers money from consumer's pockets to government trousers will be a drag on a recovery that looks anemic, at best. And the political price that such increases will command is probably too high for the Dems to bear.
diversity, choice, world community, redistribution, consenting adults, cultural pluralism, anti military, reduction of American status...and I get slammed for calling them sick fuckers...too bad
The Dems have a huge problem looming in their future - the ever-increasing deficit, already at record levels, is only going to get bigger under their leadership. This is already causing grumbling within their own ranks, and outright terror everywhere else, as the unsustainability of their policies becomes apparent.
So what? All the Dems have to do is get as many people as possible into a program where the government supplies their needs. Then every election cycle, just keep reminding the faithful exactly which party it is that makes sure the good times keep rolling.
well said...but will voters respond?, after the election of BO I've lost all confidence...you should save this post for another time
What'll more likely happen in next year's elections is Democrats will be able to point to a recovery of sorts and claim credit for it - and people will accept that explanation.
Maybe. I saw a report yesterday that job growth may not resume until 2012. A lot of economic indicators are not pointing in the right direction, and people understandably vote their wallets first and foremost.
Well Thank Goodness the Terrorists at Gitmo will get the H1n1 flue shot before all of our kids in America...I toss and turn at night worrying about a hardened Terrorist might get the swine flu. Hell Let's give them a chit for a Hilton hotel stay and get it over with Mr President.
Morning, LGF nation. Happy Halloween. Random poetry interval:
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove.
O no, it is an ever-fixèd mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wand'ring bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
Well Thank Goodness the Terrorists at Gitmo will get the H1n1 flue shot before all of our kids in America...I toss and turn at night worrying about a hardened Terrorist might get the swine flu. Hell Let's give them a chit for a Hilton hotel stay and get it over with Mr President.
I can almost understand prisoners there an in the CONUS getting the shots because it is the ultimate closed society, and we are responsible for their care. H1N1 would spread like the proverbial wildfire in prison and the death toll likely would be astounding.
What'll more likely happen in next year's elections is Democrats will be able to point to a recovery of sorts and claim credit for it - and people will accept that explanation.
Maybe. I saw a report yesterday that job growth may not resume until 2012. A lot of economic indicators are not pointing in the right direction, and people understandably vote their wallets first and foremost.
simply redefine recovery and let the MSN pound away for a year...like hypnosis
Starkle starkle little twink,
Who the Hell are you I think,
I'm not under what you call,
the alcofluence of incohol.
I'm just a little slort of sheep,
I'm not drunk like thinkle peep.
I don't know who is me yet,
but the drunker I stay the longer I get.
So one more drink to fill up my cup,
I got all day sober to Sunday up.
I can almost understand prisoners there an in the CONUS getting the shots because it is the ultimate closed society, and we are responsible for their care. H1N1 would spread like the proverbial wildfire in prison and the death toll likely would be astounding.
Now, pardon me while I go rob a bank.
The Military should get a shot...But Child care centers are really the breeding ground for the flu.. After all the kiddies get a shot...Then give it the animals at Gitmo.. IMO
The Military should get a shot...But Child care centers are really the breeding ground for the flu.. After all the kiddies get a shot...Then give it the animals at Gitmo.. IMO
Not everyone at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
Speaking of driving fast.. I flew my dad out from Cali to drive an Indy race car
on the Indy Track for a Christmas Present...You too can drive on the track really fast for 500 bucks..Sign up here Lizards.
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Speaking of driving fast.. I flew my dad out from Cali to drive an Indy race car
on the Indy Track for a Christmas Present...You too can drive on the track really fast for 500 bucks..Sign up here Lizards.
[Link: www.indyracingexperience.com...]
they are not criminals...they are illegal combatants
An unlawful combatant or unprivileged combatant/belligerent is a civilian who directly engages in armed conflict in violation of International Humanitarian Law (IHL) and may be detained or prosecuted under the domestic law of the detaining state for such action
I never did that, but probably should have.
I just get nervous and then I would get all chatty and drive everyone near me absolutely berserk.
You'd love flying with me.. When the Gov't sent 300 of us Nuke workers to Pearl Harbor for 3 years, I flew with a couple of lady Fellow workers who were terrified of Flying.. We sat in the bar in SFO and got completely trashed before take off...We boarded and they passed out on my left and right shoulder.. I woke them up when we landed...
You really need to fly with the Hoopster.. *wink*
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
(Snip)
Is that some kind of soy thing you use to stretch "Pre-mortial Soup"?
I vote we release all the prisoners at Gitmo. If someone will take them in a foreign land, they can fly there. If no one will take them, we can fly them back to their home country. Or maybe they can bunk with the people who vote to release them in this country.
Ciavarella faces criminal charges that accuse him of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks from owners of private detention centers in exchange for placing juvenile defendants at their facilities, often for minor crimes.
I vote we release all the prisoners at Gitmo. If someone will take them in a foreign land, they can fly there. If no one will take them, we can fly them back to their home country. Or maybe they can bunk with the people who vote to release them in this country.
Send them to Hollywood.. Plenty of space in the Star's home...Sean Penn could take in dozens...And Angela Jolie could stop adopting kids
I don't deny that we cannot turn the whole fight against terrorism into a criminal investigation. The problem is that the designation "enemy combatant" is itself not clearly defined in law. By nature, it does not require proof of the sort that would be required in criminal law. But if we are having a global war on terrorism, then any non-citizen accused of terrorism could essentially be convicted without due process. That is troubling.
The main point here is not that they should be treated as innocent, but rather than we shouldn't just call them and treat them like animals. Maybe a few did nothing wrong.
They may (not "shall") be tried - they have no right to a trial. Their only "right" is to be treated humanely while in custody.
These bastards are lucky to be alive, and they owe that to the good graces of the US armed forces and the US government, since they could have been captured and killed on the spot.
The reason for their continued detention is presumably to enhance the security interests of the US, and I assume that is why the POTUS is no longer in such a rush to close GITMO.
IMO.
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.
I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.
I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.
I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
sounds like Murtha and his House cronies under investigation
As Muslims prepare for a funeral today in Detroit for Islamic leader Luqman Ameen Abdullah, his family and a coalition of Muslim organizations are calling for an independent investigation into his death in a reported shootout with FBI agents in Dearborn.
Yada yada disproportionate response yada.. This is my favorite part of the story. They handcuffed him after shooting him 18 times (allegedly) and were more worried about trying to save the FBI dog than the Imam.
Omar Regan, 34, one of Abdullah's sons, said his family was told by authorities that after he was shot 18 times, Abdullah was handcuffed and placed on a stretcher. He complained that the FBI airlifted a police dog that had been shot while no medical helicopter was brought in for his father.
i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear; and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it's you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is you
here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows
higher than the soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that's keeping the stars apart
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.
I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
Morning.
There was a TV series episode based on this not too long ago. One of the more popular detective/legal shows. However this type of thing does make me question the competence of many many many people in the city government assuming they had nothing to do with the scheme.
I don't deny that we cannot turn the whole fight against terrorism into a criminal investigation. The problem is that the designation "enemy combatant" is itself not clearly defined in law. By nature, it does not require proof of the sort that would be required in criminal law. But if we are having a global war on terrorism, then any non-citizen accused of terrorism could essentially be convicted without due process. That is troubling.
The main point here is not that they should be treated as innocent, but rather than we shouldn't just call them and treat them like animals. Maybe a few did nothing wrong.
it's an old argument I don't want to rehash...if they stay right where they are for another twenty five years, I'll be satisfied
Sometimes old arguments are good ones. I think you can see the force of the argument without having to say that gitmo prisoners are entitled to all the same rights as one would have in a civil court.
I also don't see what would be so bad about treating the ones caught in Afghanistan as POWs. When the Taliban surrenders, then they can go home.
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The weather here is overcast and gray, with drizzle putting a damper on my plans to go out and move leaves around. That will have to wait until tomorrow... maybe.
But as drab as things are here, they don't compare to the situation in Yemen. The US State Department has had to intervene in a sticky situation there.
Rising anti-Semitism has threatened the last remnants of the once thriving Jewish population. The State Department is helping relocate those last Jews to the US and Israel.
There are only about 350 Yemeni Jews living in Yemen. There were once hundreds of thousands. Most resettled to Israel during Operation Magic Carpet following Israel's independence because of pogroms and riots that killed dozens of Yemeni Jews.
Think about that a moment. A population of 350 Jews can't survive in a Islamic country where Muslims outnumber Jews by more than 23 million. Where's the tolerance we hear so much about there?
IIRC, one of the youths who was sentenced to one of those privately run detention centers by the crooked judge for some very minor crime committed suicide.
If you are superstitious you'll never step on cracks.
When you see a ladder you will never walk beneath it.
And if you ever spill some salt you'll thrown some 'cross your back,
And carry' round a rabbit's foot just in case you need it.
You'll pick up any pin that you find lying on the ground,
And never, never, ever throw your hat upon the bed,
Or open an umbrella when you are in the house.
You'll bite your tongue each time you say
A thing you shouldn't have said.
You'll hold your breath and cross your fingers
Walkin' by a graveyard,
And number thirteen's never gonna do you any good.
Black cats will all look vicious, if you're superstitious,
But I'm not superstitious (knock on wood).
Sometimes old arguments are good ones. I think you can see the force of the argument without having to say that gitmo prisoners are entitled to all the same rights as one would have in a civil court.
I also don't see what would be so bad about treating the ones caught in Afghanistan as POWs. When the Taliban surrenders, then they can go home.
better enlarge Gitmo then...the Taliban will never surrender, but I could live with that idea
It's that time of year again...
Time for the 5th annual Denver Gorilla Run.
This year they are expecting over 1000! A new world record.
That's just - I don't know what to say. I though the high heel race in DC (transvestites in high heels running, a couple of days before Halloween) was pretty unique, but that's pretty interesting. Love the photo of the dogs in gorilla costumes.
It would not surprise me if Walter were in that race...
Walter...Have you dug out of the snow yet?
I think Walter works at the theater on weekends? I hope he's not stuck somewhere. Actually - we had a lot of nice melting yesterday with the warm chinook winds.
That's just - I don't know what to say. I though the high heel race in DC (transvestites in high heels running, a couple of days before Halloween) was pretty unique, but that's pretty interesting. Love the photo of the dogs in gorilla costumes.
those jolly, fun loving Americans...dissing gorillas like that
IIRC, one of the youths who was sentenced to one of those privately run detention centers by the crooked judge for some very minor crime committed suicide.
That's on that judge's conscience, then. And I hope it haunts him
It would not surprise me if Walter were in that race...
Walter...Have you dug out of the snow yet?
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
Rep. Ron Paul, the 11-term Republican congressman from Texas, who mobilized millions of supporters and about $35 million for his unsuccessful presidential run last year, has added the federal government's faltering flu immunization program to his list of things worthy of denunciation.
A medical doctor himself, Paul, who at 74 is older even than John McCain, sees the Obama administration's oft-delayed H1Ni1 swine flu immunization plan as typical of many government-run programs -- poorly planned, overloaded, inefficient, too expensive, late and quite possibly not even necessary.
Just another government grab for more federal power, as he puts it in a video (see it just below here), newly-posted for supporters by his Campaign for Liberty. Paul calls this year's vaccine distribution "a total failure" because some 120 million doses were to have been available by mid-October and only about 10% of that were.
Paul says reports of 1,000 U.S. deaths from the H1N1 may be true but...
...come from the same federal government running the vaccine program and remain unverified.
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
And here I thought it was just an excuse for a party.
There was a TV series episode based on this not too long ago. One of the more popular detective/legal shows. However this type of thing does make me question the competence of many many many people in the city government assuming they had nothing to do with the scheme.
There are usually some sort of signs that a person is behaving dishonorably and in this case, criminally. Sometimes they are so subtle it's hard to pick up on; but they're there.
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
so what are you going as this year?...a scaly old curmudgeon?
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The weather here is overcast and gray, with drizzle putting a damper on my plans to go out and move leaves around. That will have to wait until tomorrow... maybe.
But as drab as things are here, they don't compare to the situation in Yemen. The US State Department has had to intervene in a sticky situation there.
Rising anti-Semitism has threatened the last remnants of the once thriving Jewish population. The State Department is helping relocate those last Jews to the US and Israel.
There are only about 350 Yemeni Jews living in Yemen. There were once hundreds of thousands. Most resettled to Israel during Operation Magic Carpet following Israel's independence because of pogroms and riots that killed dozens of Yemeni Jews.
Think about that a moment. A population of 350 Jews can't survive in a Islamic country where Muslims outnumber Jews by more than 23 million. Where's the tolerance we hear so much about there?
These disgusting anti-Semitic genocidal situations are the proof of the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish State and the non-negotiable need to preserve it as a homeland for the Jewish people.
My question is where was the oversight? How could this go on for so long without someone stepping in? Its not just the two crooked judges who are at fault, but their superiors' fault as well for letting this BS go on for so long. People above them in the hierarchy should be removed from their office as well for their gross incompetence.
That's just - I don't know what to say. I though the high heel race in DC (transvestites in high heels running, a couple of days before Halloween) was pretty unique, but that's pretty interesting. Love the photo of the dogs in gorilla costumes.
It's for charity. I like the idea of mixing teh crazy with the charity.
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Friday that a victory by Doug Hoffman, the third-party candidate in the Nov. 3 New York special election, is a win for the GOP.
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
Jeez Walter.. Glad to see you are ok...
You actors get to pretend to be someone else every night.. We vain people only get to pretend once a year...
*wink*
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Friday that a victory by Doug Hoffman, the third-party candidate in the Nov. 3 New York special election, is a win for the GOP.
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Friday that a victory by Doug Hoffman, the third-party candidate in the Nov. 3 New York special election, is a win for the GOP.
Explain then George Pataki's support for Hoffman? Pataki was a weak-kneed GOPer who is in part responsible for the demise of the GOP in the state (wait, maybe that is the reason that he's now supporting Hoffman?).
Pataki must be reading tea-leaves, as is Steele and all the rest who don't want NY-23 to go to the Democrats because of an internecine fight between GOPers and conservatives, even if Hoffman isn't a resident of the district he's hoping to represent.
The new bar I went to last night would have made Michael Jackson happy. And I mean the late beer guru, not the late pop star. They have 55 draught beers, 5 of them in casks, and a menu with 500 bottles. I'm glad we got there early and found a table because by around 6:30 it was wall to wall people. There were people lining up outside to get in when we left.
Good times, and I got to hang out with a beer geek friend who's heading out of town next week.
But the impact of those candidacies on the high-profile contests points to an anti-incumbent, anti-establishment sentiment that could be a prevailing theme in the 2010 congressional elections and beyond.
"What it says is the public is looking for less self-interested parties and candidates who can reflect the needs of a very frustrated public," said Douglas Astolfi, a history professor at Florida's St. Leo University. "We have two wars and we're in a recession that neither party seems to address in any positive way. There's a deep sense that government has abandoned the common man. People are frustrated and angry."
I think this is part of the process of cleaning house, and in a few election cycles, we'll hopefully see an improved GOP.
Think about that a moment. A population of 350 Jews can't survive in a Islamic country where Muslims outnumber Jews by more than 23 million. Where's the tolerance we hear so much about there?
Tragically, it seems tolerance is a one way street.
An Iowa social conservative group said Friday that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin declined its invitation to headline a fall fundraiser in Iowa next month, but noted the Republican's desire to address members another time.
Palin, mentioned as a potential 2012 presidential prospect, turned down the offer to make what would be her first appearance since last year's election in the leadoff presidential caucus state, citing her long-planned national tour to promote her memoir.
"We extended our invitation knowing she would be in the middle of her book tour and the chances of her being able to accept any invitations were extremely slim," policy center spokesman Bryan English said in a news release.
That was not the optimistic tone the group's chairman, former state Rep. Danny Carroll, expressed on Wednesday. Carroll said he thought Palin would accept and that only a few details needed to be worked out before she could be confirmed.
In the meantime, some Iowa Republican activists had complained the policy center and a pro-Palin group based in Washington, D.C. were raising money for her to attend the fundraiser.
Not everyone No one at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
But that's the problem.
GITMO has 1) people who are innocent 2) people who may be guilty, may be innocent, and 3) people who are definitely guilty.
The massive fuckup and the reason why they've been held for years without trial, and the reason why it is such a civil liberties and judicial nightmare is because the evidence gathering and the prosecution were so completely bungled. That's why all these people have been held in limbo for years without charge or trial.
The Obama admin is trying to introduce a new system, whereby dangerous detainees can be held even without conviction or beyond the term assignedl. That's to cover the GITMO detainees that are in that third category (definitely guilty), but can't be successfully prosecuted.
I'm a bit distracted at the moment but can give links later.
In the meantime, some Iowa Republican activists had complained the policy center and a pro-Palin group based in Washington, D.C. were raising money for her to attend the fundraiser.
A conservative Iowa group’s effort to lure Sarah Palin to its banquet next month has had an unintended effect: Rather than exciting conservatives about the prospect of a visit from the former Alaska governor, the group’s plan to raise a six-figure sum to bring her to the state has GOP activists recoiling at the thought of paying to land a politician's speaking appearance.
The Iowa Family Policy Center’s effort to cobble together $100,000 for Palin would represent a striking departure from customary practice in the first-in-the-nation state, these Republicans say, noting that a generation of White House hopefuls has paid their own way to boost their party and presidential ambitions.
My question is where was the oversight? How could this go on for so long without someone stepping in? Its not just the two crooked judges who are at fault, but their superiors' fault as well for letting this BS go on for so long. People above them in the hierarchy should be removed from their office as well for their gross incompetence.
Jeez Walter.. Glad to see you are ok...
You actors get to pretend to be someone else every night.. We vain people only get to pretend once a year...
*wink*
Fine, but we had 417 drunk "only get to pretend once a year" adults arrested last halloween... that's a problem in my mind.
IIRC, one of the youths who was sentenced to one of those privately run detention centers by the crooked judge for some very minor crime committed suicide.
Would they forbid a Jewish man to wear a yamulke? A Sikh a turban?
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
Fine, but we had 417 drunk "only get to pretend once a year" adults arrested last halloween... that's a problem in my mind.
Addendum to my statement above : Drunk DRIVING adults. Maybe arrested early in the evening, when children are trick and treating ont he streets, some with kids in their car.
I'm just getting a kick out out of the "If the GOP candidate loses, it's a win for the GOP" illogic.
LOL. Don't you know how progressive and liberal blogs have always mocked that spin for two years now? For years, every repub defeat was spun as 'this is bad news for Dems!" Concern trolling the Dems was (and is) rampant. Here's an example of when it became a mockery meme:
Not exactly a Halloween song, but I hope it'll do.
There ain't no rest for the wicked
Money don't grow on trees
I got bills to pay; I got mouths to feed
There ain't nothing in this life for free
I can't slow down; I can't hold back
Although you know I wish I could
There ain't no rest for the wicked
Til we close our eyes for good
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
Why is that so hard for some people to understand.
"The 40 Iranians landed in Israel on Tuesday after a secret journey to the Jewish state. No details about their route of exit from Iran were given, but it was assumed they came through a third country."
So the 40 Jews cannot travel openly. but they are safe!
*ok*.
"Yehiel Eckstein, a rabbi who founded the fellowship, said each immigrant receives $10,000 from the group to help get them started in Israel. He has warned that the situation facing Iranian Jews is critical, because of the attitude of Ahmadinejad, who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map.""
"Though Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Iranian citizens are not legally authorized to travel to the Jewish state, Morsathegh insisted Jews in Iran are not in danger."
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
Answering my own question, now that I've thought about it. It is different, in that in the Home Depot incident, there was no religious requirement that the guy wear the pin; whereas in this case, the headscarf is a requirement of her religious beliefs.
I wonder why they have a "no headgear" requirement at this place?
Fine, but we had 417 drunk "only get to pretend once a year" adults arrested last halloween... that's a problem in my mind.
I hear ya bro..
In Indiana if you are a convicted sex offender you must go to a meeting from 6 to 9pm tonight...I really like that idea...The streets are safer and if they don't go to the meeting they go to jail...
I think it should be a national policy
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
I can't find the link right now but, he was fired for refusing to come into work for six days.
Dede Scozzafava (R) announced "that she is suspending her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District and releasing all her supporters," the Watertown Daily Times reports.
However, she has not thrown her support to either Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, or Bill Owens (D)
I can't find the link right now but, he was fired for refusing to come into work for six days.
I sort of thought through it a bit more - and there is a difference, anyhow, in the cases.
In one case - there was no religious requirement to wear the pin, it was just the guy's personal desire to wear it.
In the other case - although headcovering is NOT required in Islam, it seems to be standard practice to use the headcovering, so a case could be made that this is a requirement of her faith.
Today's hotly anticipated Siena poll confirms the race for the seat vacated by former Rep. John McHugh in NY-23 has become a too-close-to-call fight between Democratic nominee Bill Owens and Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman, who are tied at 36-35.
The Republicans' pick, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, who started out as the frontrunner, is now at 20 percent. Nine percent of voters remain undecided.
I sort of thought through it a bit more - and there is a difference, anyhow, in the cases.
In one case - there was no religious requirement to wear the pin, it was just the guy's personal desire to wear it.
In the other case - although headcovering is NOT required in Islam, it seems to be standard practice to use the headcovering, so a case could be made that this is a requirement of her faith.
Dede Scozzafava (R) announced "that she is suspending her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District and releasing all her supporters," the Watertown Daily Times reports.
However, she has not thrown her support to either Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, or Bill Owens (D)
Wow. Is this an effort by the sane part of the GOP to say Fuck Hoffman, we'd rather vote Dem than vote for him (and legitimise the teaparty folks)?
I ask because Scozzafava wasn't unconservative, (for NYS); she was challenged by someone who is merely a theocrat/so-con puppet...and NY-23 isn't lib by any means. even the Dems there aren't lib. Weird.
It's just crazy. Hoffman is a pawn. I have not read one thing that shows he has any capabilities for this position. I wonder if the actual residents of NY23 are going to speak out on how their representative election was hijacked. Damn.
It's just crazy. Hoffman is a pawn. I have not read one thing that shows he has any capabilities for this position. I wonder if the actual residents of NY23 are going to speak out on how their representative election was hijacked. Damn.
They have a chance to speak out on election day. I wouldn't vote for hoffman if they paid me.
It's just crazy. Hoffman is a pawn. I have not read one thing that shows he has any capabilities for this position. I wonder if the actual residents of NY23 are going to speak out on how their representative election was hijacked. Damn.
The election hasnt been hijacked.
What's been hijacked is the process-- the state-level and national level GOP intervened and forced a non-local 'conservative' candidate, over-riding what the locals wanted.
The dem candidates that run in that district arent far from the repubs. I suggest people talk to people who live there or who have lived there.
Hoffman was the outlier, in terms of representing what the district thinks-- not Owens.
I see that the Honduran government has decided to allow Zelaya back into office. Presumably they are hoping that he won't be able to do much damage before the elections on November 29. Apparently the US had warned that if the elections were held under the interim government, they wouldn't recognize them. I'm surprised that Micheletti didn't tell them to mind their own business.
The election hasnt been hijacked.
What's been hijacked is the process-- the state-level and national level GOP intervened and forced a non-local 'conservative' candidate, over-riding what the locals wanted.
The dem candidates that run in that district arent far from the repubs. I suggest people talk to people who live there or who have lived there.
Hoffman was the outlier, in terms of representing what the district thinks-- not Owens.
Answering my own question, now that I've thought about it. It is different, in that in the Home Depot incident, there was no religious requirement that the guy wear the pin; whereas in this case, the headscarf is a requirement of her religious beliefs.
I wonder why they have a "no headgear" requirement at this place?
I don't think that head scarves or for that matter any specific dress code is a requirement of any religion. In the case of Islam and women the word is "modesty", but modesty is relative and when in the USA...
Bottom line is that most, if not all, religious dress custom is just wearing a uniform that says "look at me, I'm different from you", or in the case when everyone else does it, "look at me, I'm as pious as you".
There's an expression that says "wearing one's religion on one's sleeve", and it is not a compliment.
Not really. There was no "primary" for the republican electorate to make the choice
I'm not saying they would have chosen Hoffman over Sozzaforra, just that they didn't have the opportunity
The election hasnt been hijacked.
What's been hijacked is the process-- the state-level and national level GOP intervened and forced a non-local 'conservative' candidate, over-riding what the locals wanted.
The dem candidates that run in that district arent far from the repubs. I suggest people talk to people who live there or who have lived there.
Hoffman was the outlier, in terms of representing what the district thinks-- not Owens.
Sort of like Obama did when he endorsed Bennet in Colorado, a person who is completely clueless, and even local Dems want him gone.
I have no problem with Gitmo "detainees" being tried under the military court-martial system. If it's good enough for our soldiers, it's good enough for them. Apparently, "military tribunals" are looked down upon in some circles, though, so now the detainees can rot in jail. If anyone has a better idea, I'll be glad to hear it. I'm not overly concerned either way. What's the latest figure on weight gain among these "political prisoners?" Last I heard they averaged 25 pounds heavier than when they were captured. Torture, my scrawny white butt.
Obama's assessment came a day after an independent federal board reported that nearly 650,000 direct jobs have been saved or created because of stimulus program money provided to businesses, contractors, state and local governments, nonprofit groups and universities.
350,000 more jobs saved OVERNIGHT!....if that's not an economy picking up steam, I don't know what is...
I don't think that head scarves or for that matter any specific dress code is a requirement of any religion. In the case of Islam and women the word is "modesty", but modesty is relative and when in the USA...
Bottom line is that most, if not all, religious dress custom is just wearing a uniform that says "look at me, I'm different from you", or in the case when everyone else does it, "look at me, I'm as pious as you".
There's an expression that says "wearing one's religion on one's sleeve", and it is not a compliment.
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
Not really. There was no "primary" for the republican electorate to make the choice
I'm not saying they would have chosen Hoffman over Sozzaforra Scozzafava, just that they didn't have the opportunity
I have no problem with Gitmo "detainees" being tried under the military court-martial system. If it's good enough for our soldiers, it's good enough for them. Apparently, "military tribunals" are looked down upon in some circles, though, so now the detainees can rot in jail. If anyone has a better idea, I'll be glad to hear it. I'm not overly concerned either way. What's the latest figure on weight gain among these "political prisoners?" Last I heard they averaged 25 pounds heavier than when they were captured. Torture, my scrawny white butt.
There you are! I was worried about you yesterday and last night. How did the driving go?
Fine, the roads were quite clear. The weather service snow total for our town up here was was 34 inches, the local weather guru on Channel Nine said 43. Either way, a lot of snow.
Seems like Sarah's original endorsement in NY 23rd proved to have some positive impact for the candidate she favors. 2010 will be an interesting election cycle.
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
My point was, do their holy books specify the clothing, or are these unwritten traditions?
Sure, a priest can have a uniform because it is a genuine mark of leadership position in a particular organization, but for the most part I contend that these are labels making sure that people, when in a multicultural society, see that they consider themselves different and, in many ways, apart.
Sort of like Obama did when he endorsed Bennet in Colorado, a person who is completely clueless, and even local Dems want him gone.
Birds of a feather.
That isn't at all what happened in NY-23.
NY-23 had an incumbant who was also the choice on the local level by the GOP. The state wide GOP and the national level decided to overide that and run a so-con alternative, who doesnt even live in the district, and has no record whatsoever.
Make no mistake, this was an attempt at seeing how the new GOP strategy of pandering to the crazy teapartying nirther populist 'base' would work.
I think the sane GOP called their bluff. If you know that district at all--this move won't bring Hoffman votes.
I don't think that head scarves or for that matter any specific dress code is a requirement of any religion. In the case of Islam and women the word is "modesty", but modesty is relative and when in the USA...
Bottom line is that most, if not all, religious dress custom is just wearing a uniform that says "look at me, I'm different from you", or in the case when everyone else does it, "look at me, I'm as pious as you".
There's an expression that says "wearing one's religion on one's sleeve", and it is not a compliment.
Well, what you've said there has been my experience.
There are Muslim women at the all-female fitness center that I belong to. There are a couple who wear the full Muslim headscarf even when working out in a room full of women, no man in sight. It's always been my feeling that those ladies were engaging in exactly what you're talking about.
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
Remember that one case in Florida a few years ago, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil to have her drivers license photo taken? It should be noted that we extend a level of religious freedom here that "they" would never dream of tolerating in their societies.
Thanks. My understanding of NY dynamics is foreshortened by spending my time watching California. And the thicker topics like Health care. Oh and that little AGW data thing :)
I went to NYC for a week each year for about 15 years. Manhattan may have only confused my grip on NY politics.
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
I'm interested in knowing why this group has a dress code that includes "no headgear".
There may be health reasons for it.
Or, the requirement may be a stealth way around non-discrimination laws.
Remember that one case in Florida a few years ago, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil to have her drivers license photo taken? It should be noted that we extend a level of religious freedom here that "they" would never dream of tolerating in their societies.
Muslim women have been brainwashed for eons...wonder if she was SA?...how ironic would that be
Remember that one case in Florida a few years ago, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil to have her drivers license photo taken? It should be noted that we extend a level of religious freedom here that "they" would never dream of tolerating in their societies.
Seems like Sarah's original endorsement in NY 23rd proved to have some positive impact for the candidate she favors. 2010 will be an interesting election cycle.
Maybe some actual leaders for the conservative movement will emerge in this upheaval.
I don't think we're watching the same race. Scozz ran a horrific campaign over the last couple of weeks, there was zero chance she was going to win. The only voters scozzafava had left were party loyalists, at worst they just won't come out for hoffman but they sure won't vote for Owens. When the party decided it wasn't going to pour money down the drain she didn't have any options, she was already dead last in the polling with no way to come out.
I was sitting in my living room reading the newspaper last Tuesday evening (that alone tells you that I am in the tiniest of minorities) when the phone rang. A robocall from my Congressional Representative John Boozeman, wanting to know if I wanted to participate in a telephone town hall. Having nothing better to do, I remained on the line.
Seventy minutes later I hung up the phone in disgust, before my turn to spout my specific brand of nonsense.
Every freaking call was from some old fart or fartess (I'm well stricken with years myself) wanting to know how to get on this or that government teat or pleading for an increase in their current government check. Generally prefaced with a 'I appreciate how you're standing up to the big spenders in Warshintun'.
Not one single call from anyone raising youngsters. Not one call from anyone about job destruction. Not one call from anyone about federal encroachment on individual liberties. Not. One. Call.
No freaking wonder politicians pander to the lowest common demoninator in the body public. That's who they hear from. And I, by virtue of letting my disgust overpower my desire to comment, am an enabler.
I swear, by the time I'd listened to just over an hour of this pap, I wouldn't have bothered to spit on a senior citizen even had they been afire. A lifetime to prepare; decades to plan and accumulate assets and what did they want? Government cheese.
And this from the 'conservative Republican area' of the state!
10 Things That Sound Dirty On Halloween, But Arent...
1. So...What'd you get in the sack?
2. Once you get under the sheet, start moaning and groaning!!!
3. Just hop on that broomstick and ride it!
4. Those small suckers are gone in a few licks!
5. I got the best piece from that house.
6. Quit screwing around on the porch!!!
7. Stick your hand in and guess what you're feeling...
8. It was so filled and heavy, I had to use TWO hands!!
9. They'll suck you dry if they get their teeth in you.
10. I bobbed and bobbed, but couldn't get my mouth around it!
IMHO the Republican Party is caving to the Paulians because other than those freaks, they got nuthin'. NY23 is just another symptom of that. GOP.com is a bigger one.
So- I ask again- what IS the right answer? Does anyone in the CURRENT administration have a plan? Anyone? Bueller? Whatever you think of the method of their capture and continued imprisonment, what would you do? The Geneva Convention doesn't cover these guys. US law? Military justice? The Golden Rule? The modified Golden Rule (do unto them what they would do unto you)? What is the answer? The Bill of Rights does NOT apply to these guys, they aren't American citizens. Do we extend those rights to them, even though their own governments don't give them equivalent rights in their own country? What's the answer? I'm not being sarcastic here, but I'm tired of people complaining about the situation with no solution offered. If I'm truthful about it, I think "military tribunals" would more than fair in these cases. By rights, they could be shot on the battlefield at time of capture, as unlawful combatants. If they're in civilian clothes, NO uniform, firing toward our troops, that is a violation of the Geneva Convention. What's the solution?
Well now the SoCons will crow about their successful RINOcide in NY23.
Interesting irony here - these are the people who coined "Republican In Name Only" and established litmus tests for who is and isn't a real Republican. Then they go off an form a third party when it suits them. You know - as an act of party loyalty. the loyalty that they insist that Fiscal Conservatives show whenever a moronic Paleocon is running for dog catcher.
Their plan to save the GOP by destroying it is proceeding at a fine clip.
It appears to be what generates greater political capital for the administration. The current situation of considering a change seems to work fine. Same as the Afghan troops decision that's been under consideration for how long?
Well now the SoCons will crow about their successful RINOcide in NY23.
Interesting irony here - these are the people who coined "Republican In Name Only" and established litmus tests for who is and isn't a real Republican. Then they go off an form a third party when it suits them. You know - as an act of party loyalty. the loyalty that they insist that Fiscal Conservatives show whenever a moronic Paleocon is running for dog catcher.
Their plan to save the GOP by destroying it is proceeding at a fine clip.
This bloc of voters has been turned off by the Republican Party longtime strategy of "talk conservative, vote liberal". I doubt there will be any serious exodus from the GOP though, since third parties rarely rise above fringe status in this country. If we had a parliamentary style government, then there'd be no end to the havoc they could cause.
It appears to be what generates greater political capital for the administration. The current situation of considering a change seems to work fine. Same as the Afghan troops decision that's been under consideration for how long?
if and when there is a change, it will be in the best interests of BO
re: #295 sattv4u2
Hoffman is a small matter ... not inferring a Hoffman win would be inconsequential. It'll be an indicator in which to gauge public sentiment on the direction the country is heading. However, the real fight will begin to take shape in early 2010, particularly in Pa. If Tom Ridge throws his name into the hat during the primaries you'll have a ring side seat. Recall that Bush had to go into Pa, hat in hand, groveling for Arlen Specter. Need I mention the outcome? I think you'll see Toomey on the ticket next year.
Republican Dierdre Scozzafava (sko-zuh-FAH'-vuh) has suspended her campaign for the New York House and is encouraging supporters to embrace Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman.
Ed Morrisey praising Ron Paul Ron Paul this morning. Ugh.
Typical Ron Paul; edging briefly out of tinfoil hat territory to say one factual thing:
"1,000 deaths from H1N1 in 2009 is one-third of what the US sees in a typical month from the normal flu."
Of course, we're only into the first third of the anticipated course of this H1N1 virus, and don't have sufficient vaccine.
Typical Ron Paul; edging briefly out of tinfoil hat territory to say one factual thing:
"1,000 deaths from H1N1 in 2009 is one-third of what the US sees in a typical month from the normal flu."
Of course, we're only into the first third of the anticipated course of this H1N1 virus, and don't have sufficient vaccine.
Ron Paul is not a complete crack pot...his ideas of govt are no less crazy than the current admin...just on the opposite side of the fence
Regarding headgear and workplace dress codes: I have worked in numerous places that not only forbid headgear of all kinds, but also earrings, rings (to include wedding bands) and wristwatches. Facial hair as well.
Regarding headgear and workplace dress codes: I have worked in numerous places that not only forbid headgear of all kinds, but also earrings, rings (to include wedding bands) and wristwatches. Facial hair as well.
Think rotating machinery, close quarters, high voltages, and toxic chemicals. Can't get a respirator to seal over a beard. So I shaved mine. Grew it back after that job, though. The more of my face that's covered, the better I look.
Did you know that peanut butter is also an Atheist's Nightmare? AAHHH!
Another creationist sub-genius. That guy was also the largest share holder of Western Digital. I guess he didn't think about additives and preservatives that are added to most commercially sold peanut butter. There still can be growths which include various microorganisms but that's usually started with post-processing contamination. If it's a sealed container it will not be exposed to any oxygen, etc. Odds are there will be some bacterial growth (which is a life form even though I'm sure these bucolic bumpkins wouldn't think it as such).
Americans like to talk about (or be told about) Democracy but, when put to the test, usually find it to be an 'inconvenience.' We have opted instead for an authoritarian system disguised as a Democracy. We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a-government, let it push us around, and then wonder how all those assholes got in there.
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