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1 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:12:08pm

Whoa.

2 brookly red  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:17:38pm

creepy for the sake of creepy.

3 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:18:38pm

It was filmed really well. He relied on "Jump scare" a little too much. Still pretty creepy.

4 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:19:23pm

Superb use of depth of field. looks like it might have been shot with a DSLR.

5 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:20:43pm

Anything with chem warfare goes creepy fast.

6 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:21:45pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Anything with chem warfare goes creepy fast.

Or giant lawn bags full of stuff that can move by itself.

7 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:22:01pm

Just when one thought Halloween was over.

8 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:22:40pm

I saw The Invention of Lying today. Well worth it for Ricky Gervais fans. Has a lot of folks from Arrested Development in it. The movie has a nice BBC production feel to it (in a good way).

9 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:23:40pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I saw The Invention of Lying today. Well worth it for Ricky Gervais fans. Has a lot of folks from Arrested Development in it. The movie has a nice BBC production feel to it (in a good way).

I love Arrested Development. Was George Michael in it?

10 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:26:07pm

Does this type thread have a topic? As in (OT).

11 brookly red  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:26:47pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

Does this type thread have a topic? As in (OT).

creepy?

12 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:26:47pm

I'm watching Catch me if you Can about Frank Abagnale. Bizarre!

13 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:27:56pm

re: #9 Sharmuta
Not sure. I wasn't really a fan of the show enough to know the characters names. Jason Bateman was in it and the father from the show had a good role. I recognized a few other folks too.

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:29:13pm

Ed Morrisey sez...
Conference call with Hoffman campaign

The American Conservative Union’s PAC arranged for a conference call with media and bloggers this evening to discuss the events of the last 48 hours. Among the participants — Matt Burns, a former spokesperson for Dede Scozzafava. Stacy McCain and Eric Odom, who first broke the news of Scozzafava’s withdrawal from the race yesterday, joined as “special guests” of the call.
15 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:30:44pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Wow!

16 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:30:53pm

I ask if anyone is getting creepy (or inane) fortune cookie phrases
from the space above the "google custom search" box in the
upper right hand screen. Mine now says "left-wing neo-con philosemitic
fascist hedonists".

17 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:31:18pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Hot Airhead sez...

And Eric Odom made a mess and basically destroyed the Chicago Tea Party movement. I could write a book.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2009 at 8:23 PM


Heh.

18 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:32:03pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

I ask if anyone is getting creepy (or inane) fortune cookie phrases
from the space above the "google custom search" box in the
upper right hand screen. Mine now says "left-wing neo-con philosemitic
fascist hedonists".

Those are the rotating titles. Funny and/or odd expressions that have popped up on LGF over the years.

19 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:32:27pm

Dis is deh weird.

20 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:32:46pm

From the Blogs That Hate Me file: tonight's attack from the kooky right is that I hate America because I pointed out (thanks to simoom!) that NY-23 candidate Doug Hoffman signed one of Glenn Beck's weird blood-brother pledge things, and one of the pledges is: "1. America is Good."

That means I hate America. There's no other explanation. That's just how evil I am.

21 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:32:59pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

Ah!

22 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:35:40pm

re: #20 Charles

Just wait until you dig up a fraudulent letter.. Was it like this during Rathergate? This vitriolic I mean?

23 Irenicum  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:35:41pm

re: #20 Charles

Bwahaha!!!

24 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:36:13pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey sez...
Conference call with Hoffman campaign

Hoffman's special guests?!

25 Irenicum  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:36:15pm

I for one welcome my lizard overlord!

26 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:39:09pm

re: #20 Charles

From the Blogs That Hate Me file: tonight's attack from the kooky right is that I hate America because I pointed out (thanks to simoom!) that NY-23 candidate Doug Hoffman signed one of Glenn Beck's weird blood-brother pledge things, and one of the pledges is: "1. America is Good."

That means I hate America. There's no other explanation. That's just how evil I am.

Just when you thought their logic couldn't get more pathetic...

27 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:39:17pm
28 Irenicum  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:39:44pm

BTW, the movie was creepy cool. Kinda ghostyish.

29 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #24 MandyManners

Hoffman's special guests?!

Yup, RSM has even been posting pics of him palling around with Hoffman's staff.

30 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:41:59pm

re: #27 Racer X

ROFL

31 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:42:02pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Yup, RSM has even been posting pics of him palling around with Hoffman's staff.

If Hoffman doesn't know about RS's racism, he should. There's no excuse for not knowing.

32 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:42:57pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey sez...
Conference call with Hoffman campaign

The American Conservative Union’s PAC arranged for a conference call with media and bloggers this evening to discuss the events of the last 48 hours. Among the participants — Matt Burns, a former spokesperson for Dede Scozzafava. Stacy McCain and Eric Odom, who first broke the news of Scozzafava’s withdrawal from the race yesterday, joined as “special guests” of the call.

The neo-Confederate/nativist wing is getting frisky.

33 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:43:40pm

re: #31 MandyManners

I don't think Hoffman is the sort of guy who'd be bothered by it. He signed Glenn "Obama hates white culture" Beck's pledge. RSM's racism probably isn;t going to bother him much.

34 Gus  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:43:42pm

Headline!

Neo-confederate Robert Stacy McCain in conference call with Hoffman campaign.

STOP

Add usual backgrounder on RSM.

STOP

Just an idea.

35 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:44:50pm

re: #32 Charles

The neo-Confederate/nativist wing is getting frisky.

They're getting frisky and if this works it might launch a few careers in "mainstream" Republican politics.

36 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:45:22pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Yup, RSM has even been posting pics of him palling around with Hoffman's staff.

A few years ago, there might not have been time for this sort of thing
to sway the election. Things move much faster now, and this might
bite Hoffman.

37 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:46:24pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

I hope you are right.

38 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:46:52pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

A few years ago, there might not have been time for this sort of thing
to sway the election. Things move much faster now, and this might
bite Hoffman.

Oh, I hope so.

39 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:47:01pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Sarc or serious?

40 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:47:20pm

Lizard disguised as autumn leaf

A Satanic leaf-tailed gecko, a type of lizard that can camouflage itself to resemble a shrivelled autumn leaf, has been captured on camera in a stunning image.

41 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:47:37pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Things move much faster now, and this might bite Hoffman.


I kinda doubt it. We might get a thread about it here on LGF but the Tea Party crowd is very comfortable with RSM and Odom. The MSM probably won't pick it up so average Joe moderates will never hear about it.

42 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:48:05pm

re: #39 Rightwingconspirator

Sarc or serious?

I'm fairly confident Stacy McCain doesn't want to stay a no-name blogger.

43 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:49:26pm

re: #39 Rightwingconspirator

Sarc or serious?

SRSLY. If guys like Odom and RSM are seen as instrumental in getting a Tea Party candidate elected other politicians are going to want their services. It could work out very well for them.

44 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:49:33pm

re: #42 Sharmuta

I'm fairly confident Stacy McCain doesn't want to stay a no-name blogger.

Good. The more his shit gets around, the more people can see it and be repulsed!

45 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:49:55pm

re: #40 Racer X

Nice!

46 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:50:40pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I kinda doubt it. We might get a thread about it here on LGF but the Tea Party crowd is very comfortable with RSM and Odom. The MSM probably won't pick it up so average Joe moderates will never hear about it.

The Dems have taken "quick reaction" as a mantra. They show some
skill with the intertubes.

47 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:52:27pm

You know, if Owens and the Democrats are out there watching, they would try to exploit the McCain link, showing just how out on the fringe Hoffman and his supporters are.

In a tight race, something like that would be fair game.

48 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:52:50pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

The Dems have taken "quick reaction" as a mantra. They show some skill with the intertubes.


Good point. I forgot about those liburals with their functioning websites. They might be able to make some hay out of this.

49 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:54:05pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Good point. I forgot about those liburals with their functioning websites. They might be able to make some hay out of this.

Yeah, Linux-driven.

50 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:54:12pm

It's almost too late unless there's a bigger bombshell out there. A well done youtube vid in an email campaign focused on NY-23 might do the trick.

/it would be fair considering what Hoffman and crew pulled against Scozzafava

51 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:57:38pm

If you are going to buy someone a coffee table art book for Christmas, this is the one:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Amazon link

52 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:58:03pm
53 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:58:48pm

re: #50 Thanos

(snip)

/it would be fair considering what Hoffman and crew pulled against Scozzafava

I don't really like the "pallin around" shtick, even w/ neo-confederates,
but the Beck pledge would be fair in any fight.

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:59:03pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Good point. I forgot about those liburals with their functioning websites. They might be able to make some hay out of this.

Somebody ought too. If the "Twue Conserbatibs" refuse to police their own, I guess it's up to the "Commie Libruls" to do it for them.

Too bad one couldn't charge billable hours for such a thing. Seems to be enough work for a full time job lately.

55 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 5:59:53pm

re: #51 Thanos

If you are going to buy someone a coffee table art book for Christmas, this is the one:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Amazon link

I see Amazon also has the one on the National Parks. That one is beyond spectacular. Beautiful from front to back.

56 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:02:13pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

I don't really like the "pallin around" shtick, even w/ neo-confederates,
but the Beck pledge would be fair in any fight.

But, Hoffman IS palling around with McCain.

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:04:41pm

Casting Call of Cthulhu

"Ricky" reminds me of G. Beck for some reason.

58 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:05:20pm

What's That Stuff?

Ever wondered about what's really in hair coloring, Silly Putty, Cheese Wiz, artificial snow, or self-tanners? C&EN presents a collection of articles that gives you a look at the chemistry behind a wide variety of everyday products.

59 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:05:46pm

re: #56 MandyManners

But, Hoffman IS palling around with McCain.

Very true, but it still smacks of guilt by association. I would hate to be
judged by the company I've kept. That's why the Ayers thing didn't
move me.

60 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:06:25pm

Robert Stacy McCain just tweeted:

"Does Charles Johnson hate America?"

That must be it. There's no other explanation.

61 brookly red  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:06:51pm

re: #58 Racer X

What's That Stuff?

Ever wondered about what's really in hair coloring, Silly Putty, Cheese Wiz, artificial snow, or self-tanners? C&EN presents a collection of articles that gives you a look at the chemistry behind a wide variety of everyday products.

wtf? silly putty isn't natural?

62 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:07:39pm

re: #60 Charles

Does RSM hate interracial marriage?
/yes

63 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:09:43pm

Does RS McCain hate everyone but straight, white people?

64 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:09:44pm

re: #60 Charles

Did someone that stupid actually run a newsroom?

65 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:10:39pm

re: #63 MandyManners

Does RS McCain hate everyone but straight, white people?

He knows some non-white people, to which there are witnesses.

66 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:10:44pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Did someone that stupid actually run a newsroom?

You'd be surprised at how stupid some of the ones were I useta' work with.

67 sagehen  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:10:44pm

re: #55 Sharmuta

I see Amazon also has the one on the National Parks. That one is beyond spectacular. Beautiful from front to back.


Is it connected to the Ken Burns documentary?

68 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:11:39pm

re: #67 sagehen

Not sure.

69 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:11:45pm

re: #60 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain just tweeted:

That must be it. There's no other explanation.

What about #8 of the Glenn Beck's "rules"

8. It is not un-American to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion...

Freaks

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:12:37pm

re: #65 Sharmuta

He knows some non-white people, to which there are witnesses.

Is that the origin of the "to which there are witnesses" phrase? I've seen it pop up here a few times, and I am on the outside of this inside joke.

71 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:12:54pm

Ray Comfort defends his creationist version of Darwin's Origin of Species:
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

Eugenie Scott takes, shall we say, a different view:
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

Apparently this is going to play out as a "debate".

Heh.

72 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:13:18pm

Sorting through RSM tweets must be something like this...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

73 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:13:40pm

Zut Alors... Shh-Iraq was corrupt? Who knew...
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

74 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:14:30pm

re: #71 negativ

Ray Comfort defends his creationist version of Darwin's Origin of Species:
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

Eugenie Scott takes, shall we say, a different view:
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

Apparently this is going to play out as a "debate".

Heh.

I want to see him debate the little Romanian kid.

75 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:14:40pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Whoa.

Number 9...Number 9...Number 9...

76 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:15:06pm

Good news for Tackhead fans - they have reformed. New tune "Funky Obama" will be released in the new year. Here's an oldie for now - "Mind and Movement Control"

77 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #63 MandyManners

Does RS McCain hate everyone but straight, white people?

My best guess is he even hates straight white people as an over compensation for his inabilty to deal with his self-loathing.

78 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:16:44pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

Is that the origin of the "to which there are witnesses" phrase? I've seen it pop up here a few times, and I am on the outside of this inside joke.

It's from here:

Your citation repeats a common falsehood fostered by Signorile's erroneous 2003 column. For the record (a) I never contributed to the site "Reclaiming the South," which is operated by a white separatist named Dennis Wheeler with whom I quite strongly disagreed, and (b) I have neither any personal nor political interest in the marital preferences of others, have many friends of all races, some of whom are of mixed ancestry and some of whom are in mixed marriages. These are facts, to which there are witnesses.

-Stacy

He may have posted this at his blog too, but I would wish his page load on anyone, so I won't link him. Srsly- his page load is damn near as bad as pammycakes.

79 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:16:47pm

re: #60 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain just tweeted:

That must be it. There's no other explanation.

Robert Stacy McCain is a leading candidate for Biggest Douche in the Universe for 2009.

80 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:17:30pm

re: #63 MandyManners
I'm re-running an experiment this Thanksgiving at the gathering that I floated a few weeks ago and got zero response... asking every relative ' Who is Robert Stacy McCain?'
I'm betting the percentage of answers even approaching correct is well below one or two percent.

81 brookly red  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:18:30pm

re: #80 tradewind

I'm re-running an experiment this Thanksgiving at the gathering that I floated a few weeks ago and got zero response... asking every relative ' Who is Robert Stacy McCain?'
I'm betting the percentage of answers even approaching correct is well below one or two percent.

dang, how many relatives you got?

82 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:20:06pm

re: #79 ArchangelMichael

Robert Stacy McCain is a leading candidate for Biggest Douche in the Universe for 2009.

But, John Edward can't compete with the likes of that!11!
/southpark joke :)

83 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:20:23pm

re: #63 MandyManners

Does RS McCain hate everyone but straight, white people?

Including straight, white people who are Juice.

84 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:21:33pm

re: #83 Alouette

Including straight, white people who are Juice.

No Juice here. Will "carpetbagger" do?

85 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:22:36pm

re: #83 Alouette

Thats some blog you got going there. Nice.

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:22:40pm

re: #76 Jimmah

More into the Breakestra thing myself, but that was cool.

87 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #82 Varek Raith

But, John Edward can't compete with the likes of that!11!
/southpark joke :)

He was the first Human to receive that award. It used to almost always go to a Marklar or a Gelgamek before John Edward. RSM could win it this year though.

88 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:24:06pm

re: #81 brookly red
A bunch. And they like to talk politics, which means dessert is accompanied by a heaping helping of heartburn along with the coffee.

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:24:33pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

Thanks. Now I'm on the inside. :)

90 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:25:00pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

Who loves ya, Big Guy? ;)

91 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:25:30pm

re: #80 tradewind

I'm re-running an experiment this Thanksgiving at the gathering that I floated a few weeks ago and got zero response... asking every relative ' Who is Robert Stacy McCain?'
I'm betting the percentage of answers even approaching correct is well below one or two percent.

Gonna' educate them?

92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #90 Sharmuta

My mommy?
/I think.

93 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:27:55pm

re: #83 Alouette

Including straight, white people who are Juice.

I've never read anything by him that is anti-Semitic but, considering his milieu, I'd bet he's not overly found of the Joos.

94 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:28:15pm

re: #91 MandyManners
Not to the post-grad level. Since I'm pretty sure that none of them have heard of him yet, I don't want to bore 'em.
Besides, I'm not all that well informed myself. Everything I know about RSM I learned from LGF.

95 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:29:52pm

re: #94 tradewind

Not to the post-grad level. Since I'm pretty sure that none of them have heard of him yet, I don't want to bore 'em.
Besides, I'm not all that well informed myself. Everything I know about RSM I learned from LGF.

Well, talking about him might curddle the giblet gravy.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:30:14pm

re: #90 Sharmuta

BTW, I got my POS, hand-me-up 7-speed put back together, so I might not be much of a "Big Guy" for very long.

97 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:30:24pm

re: #80 tradewind

I'm re-running an experiment this Thanksgiving at the gathering that I floated a few weeks ago and got zero response... asking every relative ' Who is Robert Stacy McCain?'
I'm betting the percentage of answers even approaching correct is well below one or two percent.

The last time I floated an "experiment" at a Thanksgiving gathering, it certainly got something other than zero response.

98 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:30:46pm

re: #95 MandyManners

Well, talking about him might curddle the giblet gravy.

Leave the mans giblets outta it , will ya!

99 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:31:30pm

re: #97 negativ

Oyster stuffing?

100 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:32:31pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Oyster stuffing?

Worse

A bug hunka Tofu shaped like a turkey!

101 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:32:33pm

re: #85 Rightwingconspirator

Thats some blog you got going there. Nice.

Don't forget to stop by the Zionist Mall!

102 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:33:03pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

re: #100 sattv4u2

Worse

A bug hunka Tofu shaped like a turkey!

WITH faux oyster stuffing!

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:33:55pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

I've had that. Oyster and wild rice stuffing. Not too bad actually, but it loses it's appeal the more it cools down.

104 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:34:07pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

re: #102 sattv4u2

I'll still be thinking of that in 3 weeks.

105 webevintage  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:34:24pm

re: #63 MandyManners

Does RS McCain hate everyone but straight, white people?

RSM loves American he just hates most of the people in it.

106 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:34:58pm

re: #90 Sharmuta

BTW,, dinging ya up for any I may have missed whilst you've been carrying on the good battle recently!

We don't always agree, but I preciate your stand recently

107 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:35:57pm

re: #100 sattv4u2
Oh, gag. Next thing you know they'll try to get all fancy and create a Turfucken.

108 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:36:22pm

re: #105 webevintage

RSM loves American he just hates most of the people in it.

Well thats fair, no!?!?

Am equal opportunity hater!
/

109 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:37:00pm

re: #107 tradewind

Oh, gag. Next thing you know they'll try to get all fancy and create a Turfucken.

Seven Up just shot outta my nose!

110 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:37:38pm

Saturday's decision by Republican Dede Scozzafava to drop out of tomorrow's special Congressional election in upstate New York is a potentially big political moment that could help to return the GOP to first principles—or could lead to internecine ruin. Much will depend on how GOP leaders and conservative activists respond.

Picked by GOP elites without a primary and with a voting record to the left of many Albany Democrats, Ms. Scozzafava faced a revolt by local and national conservatives in favor of businessman Doug Hoffman, who was nominated on the Conservative Party line. The longtime GOP assemblywoman saw herself falling in the polls and yesterday endorsed Democratic lawyer Bill Owens, who could still win the GOP-leaning seat with a plurality.

The voter revolt ought to be a lesson to the GOP's backroom boys, especially in New York state, where the old Al D'Amato insider club has led the party to irrelevance. GOP state chairman Joe Mondello, now thankfully retired, and Beltway bigs misjudged public dismay against the Democratic agenda in Washington. Nominating a candidate who "can win" in the Northeast does not have to mean someone whose voting record is more liberal on taxes and unions than that of most Blue Dog Democrats.

But that lesson will be for naught if conservatives conclude that their victory is reason to challenge any candidate who doesn't agree with them on every issue. The truth is that some conservatives are as bloody-minded and intolerant of all dissent as the hard left is at the Daily Kos. A majority political party requires a far more diverse coalition than the audience for your average right-wing blogger or talk show host. Some of those voices prefer having Democrats in power because it drives up their own ratings.


SNIP

111 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:38:42pm

re: #105 webevintage

RSM loves American he just hates most of the people in it.

He loves a figment of his imagination.

112 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:38:43pm

re: #109 sattv4u2
I'm sorry...it just kind of flew onto the keyboard by itself..
:)

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:39:01pm

re: #107 tradewind

Turfucken

I don't even want to know, dude. I don't even want to know.

A well grilled turkey is sacrament IMO.

114 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:39:30pm

re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth

More into the Breakestra thing myself, but that was cool.

Great stuff! Nothin like a bit of funk. Back in the early 90's, in my bedroom remixer days, I did a mix of the Dallas theme tune featuring Tackhead and Margaret Thatcher. I'll have to go through all my old tapes but I have it somewhere. If I find it I'll stick on youtube.

115 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:39:43pm

Mudlarks, thief-takers, black-guards, bridle-culls, baggage-men, foot-scamperers and runagates.

I love that list of words.

116 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:39:56pm

re: #107 tradewind

Almost passed out...

117 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #107 tradewind

Oh, gag. Next thing you know they'll try to get all fancy and create a Turfucken.

That's:
Turducken

118 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:41:37pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

That's:
Turducken

This one started w/ tofu.

119 metrolibertarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:41:51pm

Does the Wall Street Journal parrot any right wing idiocy it hears, or are they just lazy?

Picked by GOP elites without a primary and with a voting record to the left of many Albany Democrats, Ms. Scozzafava faced a revolt by local and national conservatives in favor of businessman Doug Hoffman, who was nominated on the Conservative Party line.

Yeah the facts don't back that up:

Scozzafava’s score puts her in the 58th percentile of her party, which makes her slightly more conservative than the average Republican legislator in Albany, so she’s a conservative in her party.

120 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:42:16pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Careful now or somebody will submit Tradewinds version to the book...

121 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:42:53pm

re: #114 Jimmah

If I find it I'll stick on youtube.

Please do, I'd like to check it out.

re: #117 reine.de.tout

That's:
Turducken

Not the way Tradewind does it, apparently.
/still don't want to know

122 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:43:30pm

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

Careful now or somebody will submit Tradewinds version to the book...

No to Tofu!

123 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:44:11pm

Hah!
Agreed.

124 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:44:23pm

re: #122 reine.de.tout

No to Tofu!

Teapartying at Whole Foods?

125 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:44:59pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Carnivore party!

126 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:45:06pm

re: #107 tradewind

Oh, gag. Next thing you know they'll try to get all fancy and create a Turfucken.


What's the wish bone look like in one of those things?

127 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:45:15pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Teapartying at Whole Foods?

Oh, hell no!
No to Whole Foods!
('spensive, and underwhelming)

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:45:48pm

re: #126 MandyManners

What's the wish bone look like in one of those things?

DO. NOT. GOOGLE.

129 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:46:10pm

Machines made of Meat, hale, rokoko, nancy-boys, molly-boys, monads, phizz, mug of flip...

More fun words and phrases.

130 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:46:40pm

re: #127 reine.de.tout

Oh, hell no!
No to Whole Foods!
('spensive, and underwhelming)

And we have to drive 250 miles to the nearest.

131 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:47:11pm

re: #105 webevintage

RSM loves American he just hates most of the people in it.

There's a certain strain of wingnut that is absolutely convinced that anyone who doesn't share their opinion hates America, just as any deviation from their wingnut line converts one overnight into a 'radical leftist', etc.

The beginnings of this seem to start in the Bush Admin, where for the fringe right and those who formed a cult of personality around Bush, criticism of Bush was taken to be exactly the same as a criticism of America.
These are the same people who are now convinced that true patriotism and love of America means that you should call for civil war and secession.

The hot air/RSM/wingnut nexis, basically.

132 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:47:34pm

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

DO. NOT. GOOGLE.

I did

GOGGLE looked at me, and with a crinkled brow, said

Did you mean: turducken

133 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:48:10pm

re: #119 metrolibertarian

Does the Wall Street Journal parrot any right wing idiocy it hears, or are they just lazy?

Can't the answer be yes to both?

134 avanti  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:48:10pm

re: #119 metrolibertarian

Does the Wall Street Journal parrot any right wing idiocy it hears, or are they just lazy?

Technically, she is to the right of many, just not most in Albany. They could have been more accurate by saying "more conservative than most", but that would mess up the spin.

135 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:48:23pm

Footpads, bedswerving, schloss, raskolnik, libels, Kit-Cat Club...

Continuing with fun words...

136 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:48:23pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth
I completely agree. I don't even care for the real thing, which is a turducken, although just after college, my Cajun roommates insisted there Was No Thanksgiving without one, so while we sat on reserve that day , I watched in semi horror as they stuffed a boneless duck inside a boneless chicken and then stuffed that into a turkey.

137 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:49:18pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

Footpads, bedswerving, schloss, raskolnik, libels, Kit-Cat Club...

Continuing with fun words...

Sounds like you're forming a garage band.

138 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:50:17pm

re: #126 MandyManners

What's the wish bone look like in one of those things?

Haha!
I just noticed - Andy Levy (who I've seen on Fox's "Red Eye") - his twitter avatar is the same as yours. He apparently lost a bet with somebody.

139 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:50:23pm

re: #126 MandyManners
I guess you'd have to imagine it. A turducken made of tofu is something I would wish upon no one...

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:50:30pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

GOGGLE looked at me, and with a crinkled brow, said

Did you mean: turducken

"Because if I show you the results of that... other thing... there is no going back. You cannot un-see what you have seen."

141 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:51:03pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Hi Reine! Recipe as promised :

Haggis Pakora :

The batter –

2 cupfuls of gram flour;

2 cloves crushed fresh garlic,

2 grams of fresh chopped ginger,

2 teaspoons of chilli powder;

salt to taste;

pinch of bicarbonate of soda;

1 tsp cumin powder,

1 tsp whole coriander seeds,

half tsp turmeric powder,

2 sprigs of fresh coriander

Mix with water to create a nice smooth batter. Roll haggis into pakora sized balls (about the size of a golf ball), coat in the batter and deep-fry in hot oil until brown and semi-crispy. Serve with spicy pakora dip.

142 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:51:08pm

re: #136 tradewind

I have thought of making that dish, apart from its enough food for about ten times as many folks as I ever cook for. Not that good huh? De boning bird is good for hazard pay in a kitchen. One slip and its off to get stitches.

143 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:51:33pm

re: #119 metrolibertarian

puts her in the 58th percentile of her party, which makes her slightly more conservative than the average Republican legislator in Albany, so she’s a conservative in her party.

No ,, it makes her "conservative" compared to ALBANY repubs,(58%tile) which are not as conservative as the "party" (national)

144 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:51:39pm

re: #138 reine.de.tout

Haha!
I just noticed - Andy Levy (who I've seen on Fox's "Red Eye") - his twitter avatar is the same as yours. He apparently lost a bet with somebody.

And had to post that avatar as his own?

145 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout
(yeah, of course... I just couldn't resist. Tofu... turkey...yech...)

146 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:52:28pm

re: #139 tradewind

I guess you'd have to imagine it. A turducken made of tofu is something I would wish upon no one...

I got enough soy food when I was in public schools--the burgers were part meat and part soy.

147 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:52:30pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Sounds like you're forming a garage band.

No... it's a advertisement... Footpads, bedswerving, schloss, raskolnik, libels, Kit-Cat Club, Machines made of Meat, hale, rokoko, nancy-boys, molly-boys, monads, phizz, mug of flip, Mudlarks, thief-takers, black-guards, bridle-culls, baggage-men, foot-scamperers and runagates.

It's a recommendation... read The Baroque Cycle

148 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:52:33pm

re: #141 Jimmah

Hi Reine! Recipe as promised :

Haggis Pakora :

The batter –

2 cupfuls of gram flour;

2 cloves crushed fresh garlic,

2 grams of fresh chopped ginger,

2 teaspoons of chilli powder;

salt to taste;

pinch of bicarbonate of soda;

1 tsp cumin powder,

1 tsp whole coriander seeds,

half tsp turmeric powder,

2 sprigs of fresh coriander

Mix with water to create a nice smooth batter. Roll haggis into pakora sized balls (about the size of a golf ball), coat in the batter and deep-fry in hot oil until brown and semi-crispy. Serve with spicy pakora dip.

HAGGIS!
Oh, noes!
You sure, eh?
OK, then.

149 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:52:56pm

re: #144 MandyManners

And had to post that avatar as his own?

apparently so.
LOL

150 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:53:16pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

puts her in the 58th percentile of her party, which makes her slightly more conservative than the average Republican legislator in Albany, so she’s a conservative in her party.

No ,, it makes her "conservative" compared to ALBANY repubs,(58%tile) which are not as conservative as the "party" (national)

It makes her conservative for NYS voters, is I think the point here.

151 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:53:28pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

Another Steptoe descendant eh?

152 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:54:20pm

re: #141 Jimmah

Hi Reine! Recipe as promised :

Haggis Pakora :

The batter –

2 cupfuls of gram flour;

2 cloves crushed fresh garlic,

2 grams of fresh chopped ginger,

2 teaspoons of chilli powder;

salt to taste;

pinch of bicarbonate of soda;

1 tsp cumin powder,

1 tsp whole coriander seeds,

half tsp turmeric powder,

2 sprigs of fresh coriander

Mix with water to create a nice smooth batter. Roll haggis into pakora sized balls (about the size of a golf ball), coat in the batter and deep-fry in hot oil until brown and semi-crispy. Serve with spicy pakora dip.

I should add - the haggis! Just buy some. One good sized (1 pound)haggis should be enough for about 20 pakora pieces. I recommend MacSweens if you can get it.

153 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:54:26pm

re: #150 iceweasel

It makes her conservative for NYS voters, is I think the point here.

Ms. Scozzafava faced a revolt by local and national conservatives

154 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #116 Rightwingconspirator
But if I had called it a' tof...that would have been even worse , on so many levels.

155 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:55:54pm

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Another Steptoe descendant eh?

Er, Shaftoe.

"Penn did not take his gaze away from the window, but squinted as if trying to hold back a mighty volume of flatulence, and shifted his focal point to a thousand miles in the distance. But this was coastal Holland and there was nothing out that window save the Curvature of the World"


"... I am seated near a window that looks out over a canal, and two gondoliers, who nearly collided a minute ago, are screaming murderous threats at each other... The Venetians have even given it a name: 'Canal Rage'."

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I am almost finished with the third and last book "The System of the World." I have never had so much fun learning about history than this series of books, it's 80 percent fact, mixed with a very clever 20 percent fiction and a 100 percent fun.

156 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:56:06pm

re: #141 Jimmah

How many does that serve?

157 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:56:43pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

read The Baroque Cycle

Don't blame me


I didn't ba rake it!
//

158 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:57:10pm

re: #153 sattv4u2
For some reason whenever I see Scozzofava, I start picturing a nice Chianti...

159 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:57:28pm

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

My son gave me the cycle, but the one-volume edition was unreadable
(physically). Perhaps it would work on the wife's Kindle.

160 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:57:35pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

How many does that serve?

I'd say 2 people - 10 good sized pieces each.

161 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:58:11pm

re: #153 sattv4u2

Ms. Scozzafava faced a revolt by local and national conservatives

Yes, we all know that. Point is, she was conservative by nys standards, she was the pick at the local level, and the national level over-rode that to see what kind of traction they can get running a tea-party ish candidate: so-con, theo-con agends. It's a trial run for how much traction they can get doing the same elsewhere esp on a national level.

162 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:58:41pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

How many does that serve?

Too many. :(

(afraid of haggis, me)

163 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:58:52pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout
(I think I'd add a little to that ' pinch of bicarb ' and reserve for after).

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:58:52pm

re: #136 tradewind

I grill the Thanksgiving bird every year, so the only things I stuff it with are quartered apples and onions, and some herbs/garlic.

The first year I suggested this, the family elders were beyond skeptical. "You go ahead and BBQ that turkey over there *snicker*. We'll just be over here with this one in the oven."

Now I am designated bird man. Always.

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:00:27pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm tofurkey man at my house, baby!

166 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:00:30pm

re: #159 Decatur Deb

My son gave me the cycle, but the one-volume edition was unreadable
(physically). Perhaps it would work on the wife's Kindle.

Well, the three books are large, about 1100, 900 and 875 pages total, but it's a wonderful read IMO.

167 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:00:31pm

Grill beats oven every time for major meat dishes. Heck, if you know what you are about you could do your casserole on a Weber with the lid on.

168 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:00:43pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

I grill the Thanksgiving bird every year, so the only things I stuff it with are quartered apples and onions, and some herbs/garlic.

The first year I suggested this, the family elders were beyond skeptical. "You go ahead and BBQ that turkey over there *snicker*. We'll just be over here with this one in the oven."

Now I am designated bird man. Always.

On an overseas assignment, our oven blew up, and the Army paperwork
for replacement wasn't worth it. Been doing 'em on a Weber ever since.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:00:44pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm tofurkey man at my house, baby!

I wonder why people avoid me.

170 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:00:46pm

re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth

"Because if I show you the results of that... other thing... there is no going back. You cannot un-see what you have seen."

Image: 1396214591_8732cbcb9b.jpg

171 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:01:03pm

re: #160 Jimmah

I'd say 2 people - 10 good sized pieces each.

OK, got it!

172 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:01:13pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm tofurkey man at my house, baby!

LOVE tofurkey!

173 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:01:14pm

PULP FICTION SOUND FX MASHUP IS LEGIT

This is a song created using only sound effects from Pulp Fiction, accompanied by video showing where each sound effect came from, all synched up and split screened so you can watch it in real time.

174 avanti  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:01:15pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

puts her in the 58th percentile of her party, which makes her slightly more conservative than the average Republican legislator in Albany, so she’s a conservative in her party.

No ,, it makes her "conservative" compared to ALBANY repubs,(58%tile) which are not as conservative as the "party" (national)

If the GOP sets a standard for candidates to be much more conservative than moderates in the north east, they'll become even more regionally isolated.

175 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:01:20pm

re: #161 iceweasel
So the WSJ article is accurate. My point
Thanks

176 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:01:42pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm stuck with it too. For some reason, turkey is scary to a lot of people. It's just a big roast chicken.
The best thing is to brine it (and add some herbs), which I just started a few years ago.. makes all the diff.

177 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

Print was just too small. I did read the other, set in WWII/Modern.

178 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:02:18pm

re: #167 Rightwingconspirator
Big Green Egg!
best. invention. evah.

179 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:02:24pm

re: #174 avanti

GOP setting standards of conservatism? Hah. Witness what happens to conservatives in California. Think food processor.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:02:32pm

re: #172 iceweasel

You. Are. So. Sexy. Right. Now.

181 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:03:36pm

re: #174 avanti

If the GOP sets a standard for candidates to be much more conservative than moderates in the north east, they'll become even more regionally isolated.

And if the people don't even have a say in an open primary process to decide which wing of the party they want for their region. thats okay too?

182 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:04:05pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well git you on a healthy diet one of these days, bro.
/Fat Bastard Omnivore?

183 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:04:49pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You. Are. So. Sexy. Right. Now.

Tofurkey is terrific. People should try it, honestly. Vegetarian gravy too. yum.

184 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:05:12pm

re: #7 Bagua

Just when one thought Halloween was over.

This sort of thing is inventive and everything, but not really for someone like me, whose idea of edgy is wearing an iridescent tie.

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:05:26pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Holy Moly

186 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:06:02pm

re: #178 tradewind

Lost me there. Huh?

187 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:06:15pm

re: #183 iceweasel

Tofurkey is terrific. People should try it, honestly. Vegetarian gravy too. yum.

I have canines for a reason.

188 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:06:15pm

K Kiddies

5 a.m comes very early

Gonna hit the hay with visions of a Turfucken in my head!

((hat tip to TradeWind))

189 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:06:25pm

re: #162 iceweasel

Too many. :(

(afraid of haggis, me)

Dinnae be feart ma wee lassie, they'll no bite ye ;)

190 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:06:37pm

re: #183 iceweasel

/Those are not the soybeans I knew/

191 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:07:35pm

re: #186 Rightwingconspirator

Oh, sorry... it's a grill. Charcoal. Made of ceramic stuff, indestructible, and cooks divinely.

192 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:08:38pm

re: #189 Jimmah

Dinnae be feart ma wee lassie, they'll no bite ye ;)

She can't take much more Captain!
/:)

193 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:08:52pm

re: #162 iceweasel

Too many. :(

(afraid of haggis, me)

I think dessert for that one should be Pepcid.

194 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:09:40pm

re: #190 tradewind

/Those are not the soybeans I knew/

heh. Really, I've served Tofurkey a couple of times at Thanksgivings when I had vegetarians attending-- this was after I'd stopped being vegetarian myself. Even if you're a meateater, it is surprisingly good!

195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:09:57pm

re: #176 tradewind

Success makes for more work, but it doesn't feel like work when you're doing what you love. And I love to grill.

I'm not normally one to toot my own horn, but I can say in all modesty that my Tri-Tip is the da bomb.

196 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:09:58pm

re: #178 tradewind

Big Green Egg!
best. invention. evah.

I've had one for ten years and I doubt I'll ever buy another grill or smoker.

197 avanti  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:11:38pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

So the WSJ article is accurate. My point
Thanks

Sure, just as accurate as saying the Redskins "won many games", but not mentioning the losing record.By her local standards, she was more conservative than most, and that should count for something in a local race.

198 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:12:22pm

re: #191 tradewind

Gotcha. The ceramic one. Expensive but really looks good. I can just imagine how it holds heat. I'm a Weber man myself.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:13:17pm

re: #194 iceweasel

heh. Really, I've served Tofurkey a couple of times at Thanksgivings when I had vegetarians attending-- this was after I'd stopped being vegetarian myself. Even if you're a meateater, it is surprisingly good!

Son is a strict vegan, I'm a vegetarian (I WAS FIRST DAMMIT!) The first time I prepared a "Tofurkey", it was for Thanksgiving. We timed our first bite staring at each other intently, we would bite at the same time...

The whole house stopped to watch (50 people, [all eating turkey] just staring at us) hoping one of us would puke.

We did bite down each at the exact same time... BOTH OF US LOVED IT!

(the wild mushroom gravy sets it off)...

200 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:14:06pm

re: #161 iceweasel

Yes, we all know that. Point is, she was conservative by nys standards, she was the pick at the local level, and the national level over-rode that to see what kind of traction they can get running a tea-party ish candidate: so-con, theo-con agends. It's a trial run for how much traction they can get doing the same elsewhere esp on a national level.

True, but the fact that she supports Card Check soured me on her. I don't like the people supporting Hoffman, but I like Card Check even less. If I could vote in that election, it would be a tossup between voting for Hoffman and staying home. I don't like either candidate.

201 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:16:22pm

Newsflash as per 60 minutes-
We have Bush43 to thank for big flu vaccine factories that can produce great quantities. First time (maybe) they ever had anything good to say about Bush43. Talking ab0out the anti vaxers too.

202 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:16:57pm
203 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:17:25pm

re: #178 tradewind

Big Green Egg!
best. invention. evah.

The Big Green Egg has piqued my interest, but I find it hard to justify spending at least 300-400 bucks on what amounts to a (kickass) charcoal grill...I've heard it's very good though.

204 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:17:53pm

re: #65 Sharmuta

He knows some non-white people, to which there are witnesses.

I'll bet he even lets them use his bathroom.

205 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:19:54pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian

not impressed.

206 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:20:08pm

re: #204 The Sanity Inspector

I'll bet he even lets them use his bathroom.

You have a good memory.

207 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:20:20pm

re: #204 The Sanity Inspector

I'll bet he even lets them use his bathroom.

It's a genteel and widespread tradition.

208 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:20:41pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian

Thats some pretty offensive references in there...

209 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:22:07pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian

How the idea that "Jesus is the son of God" really came about.

Not very funny, that.

/or original...

210 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:23:03pm

re: #209 talon_262

Do not go into the site. It gets much worse.

211 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:23:45pm

oh no-- dave Weigel just tweeted this:

Hoffman Leads by 16 points

The bottom line though is that Hoffman led by double digits during every segment of the poll, an indication that he may have been headed for a definitive victory regardless of Scozzafava's actions over the course of the weekend.

I don't know these public policy polling people. (and why do they have a free blogspot blog, anyway?) Avanti? You're poll guy--

212 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:24:15pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian

Remember this isn't DU.

213 avanti  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:24:36pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian

How the idea that "Jesus is the son of God" really came about.

I'm agnostic, and I find that offensive, just saying.

214 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:25:13pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian


um - did you think that was funny, or clever, or . . . what exactly?

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:25:18pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian

Just hysterical.

Any other people you hate around?

216 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:26:45pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Any Republican that supports card check union elections can go piss up a rope in my humble opinion. For crying out loud, that would put her to the left of George McGovern.

Former Democratic Senator and presidential candidate George McGovern continues to speak out against the so-called Employee Free Choice Act, which he has described as an effort to undermine workplace democracy, because it would replace secret ballot elections with a process known as “card check,” whereby union organizers ask employees to sign union cards out in the open.
217 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:27:15pm

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Mudlarks, thief-takers, black-guards, bridle-culls, baggage-men, foot-scamperers and runagates.

I love that list of words.

Mr. Lamarr, you use yer tongue prettier'en a ten dollar whore.

218 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:27:24pm

re: #214 reine.de.tout

I made the mistake of looking at the main site. Yeow!!! Anti religious and racist too. Not his linked image but the site. wow.

219 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:28:11pm

re: #202 metrolibertarian
Don't know what's in that link but not gonna click it... the night's been really lovely so far.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:28:31pm

re: #218 Rightwingconspirator

I made the mistake of looking at the main site. Yeow!!! Anti religious and racist too. Not his linked image but the site. wow.

He hates us, my precious...

221 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:29:33pm

Good Evening LGF.

222 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:29:48pm

re: #217 Alouette

Mr. Lamarr, you use yer tongue prettier'en a ten dollar whore.

[Bart, disguised as a Klansman, describes his qualifications as a villain]
Bart: Stampeding cattle.
Hedley Lamarr: That's not much of a crime.
Bart: Through the Vatican?
Hedley Lamarr: [smiling] Kinkyyy. Sign here.

;-P

223 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:29:49pm

re: #206 MandyManners
Don't you just love that phrase as the epitome of condescension?
It's way better than ' some of my best friends'.

224 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:29:52pm

re: #218 Rightwingconspirator

I made the mistake of looking at the main site. Yeow!!! Anti religious and racist too. Not his linked image but the site. wow.

I couldn't figure out how to get there; glad I didn't.
What was that all about, you suppose?
Why post something like that?
(I know you can't answer that; not expecting you to - just - take a nice thread and throw in some hateful stuff . . . weird).

226 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #221 Spare O'Lake

Good Evening LGF.

good evening, Spare O'Lake!

227 avanti  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #211 iceweasel

oh no-- dave Weigel just tweeted this:

Hoffman Leads by 16 points

I don't know these public policy polling people. (and why do they have a free blogspot blog, anyway?) Avanti? You're poll guy--

Public policy is a legit poll, Nate Silver looks at the race and comments on the poll.
N8.

228 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:30:31pm

re: #218 Rightwingconspirator

The blasphemy is one thing but the stuff on the main page is inexcusable.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:30:36pm

re: #224 reine.de.tout

HATEFUL! THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR...

230 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:31:54pm

re: #229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Right On FBV.

231 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:32:36pm

re: #114 Jimmah

Great stuff! Nothin like a bit of funk. Back in the early 90's, in my bedroom remixer days, I did a mix of the Dallas theme tune featuring Tackhead and Margaret Thatcher. I'll have to go through all my old tapes but I have it somewhere. If I find it I'll stick on youtube.

Funk? No knock against anyone's preferences, but everyone should know that funk didn't used to be a bunch of computers overdubbing each other with snippets of these guys:

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:32:46pm

My spider senses are tingling... bunch o' deletes a'comin'.

What a fuck-wad.

233 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:32:48pm

re: #216 Mich-again

Any Republican that supports card check union elections can go piss up a rope in my humble opinion. For crying out loud, that would put her to the left of George McGovern.

Quite Concur. Though, it should be noted that George McGovern has always favored the secret ballot for unionization. He's held the same position all his life and did not change it when the political winds shifted. I have never agreed with George McGovern on most issues, but he is a man of principal and integrity and that makes him a better man than most politicians.

234 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:34:12pm

Man, Winter pisses me off. I love the cooler weather and all, but this sunset at 6pm thing is just lame. My body clock is all whacked.

235 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:34:45pm

re: #231 The Sanity Inspector

One of my bandmates has a brother who has been playing with P-Funk for something like 20 years. The last time I saw them in Baltimore he got us backstage passes. Great show.

236 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:35:02pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

I have never agreed with George McGovern on most issues, but he is a man of principal and integrity and that makes him a better man than most politicians.

Agreed.

237 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:35:33pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

Man, Winter pisses me off. I love the cooler weather and all, but this sunset at 6pm thing is just lame. My body clock is all whacked.

Agreed. This messes me up twice a year.
/grumbling.

238 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:35:49pm

re: #222 talon_262

[Bart, disguised as a Klansman, describes his qualifications as a villain]
Bart: Stampeding cattle.
Hedley Lamarr: That's not much of a crime.
Bart: Through the Vatican?
Hedley Lamarr: [smiling] Kinkyyy. Sign here.

;-P

Greatest. Movie. Ever.

239 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:35:56pm

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My spider senses are tingling... bunch o' deletes a'comin'.

What a fuck-wad.

I didn't look at the main site when I quoted the offending post...I just thought the posted pic was lame and in bad taste, but there was apparently much worse stuff there.

240 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:36:00pm

re: #224 reine.de.tout

and... its a goner! What I did was chop off the end of the address to see what these guys were really into satire or what, It was Or What.

241 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:36:59pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

My body clock is all whacked.

Chocolate covered coffee beans. mmm. Thats my secret.

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:37:49pm

re: #237 Varek Raith

Heh. And when I say "cooler weather", I mean that it was just a little under 80 degrees here today. In November.

243 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:38:29pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth
I hate it too. I take that phrase ' rage, rage against the dying of the light' personally... it doesn't have to mean Death.
It's the torture of a shortened day. I start to cranky up right about now and I won't be really happy until daylight savings time kicks in again except for the few times when I can get somewhere really sunny and hot.

244 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:38:29pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

Man, Winter pisses me off. I love the cooler weather and all, but this sunset at 6pm thing is just lame. My body clock is all whacked.

What happened to autumn (or spring if you're down under)?

245 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:39:03pm

re: #241 Mich-again

Chocolate covered coffee beans. mmm. Thats my secret.

What do you do to get rid of the calories.

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:39:34pm

Okay.. just watched a DVR'd "Big Bang Theory". At the end of each "Chuck Lorre Production" (he's also the Two and a Half Men guy) there is a one second long screen of his "deep thought"? (for lack of a better word)...


I believe that inherent within the God-given right to the pursuit of happiness, is the equally God-given right to the pursuit of unhappiness. That is why I support gay marriage.
247 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:40:02pm

re: #243 tradewind

I was not liking leaving for work at a decent hour... in the dark. Harder to wake up and get sharp.

248 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:40:04pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

I was going to re-read '1984' but after all the crap about "card check" aka "the employee free choice act", the million and one euphemisims in the house health care bill and the new set of 'hate crimes' legislation tacked onto a funding bill I really don't find the idea of 'newspeak' all that amusing.

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia...

249 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:40:40pm

re: #231 The Sanity Inspector

Funk? No knock against anyone's preferences, but everyone should know that funk didn't used to be a bunch of computers overdubbing each other with snippets of these guys:


Computers don't overdub each other. Humans do that ;-)

But there are people who use computers in a very lazy way of course. But then there are others who use them in incredibly inventive ways, creating sounds and effects that wouldn't have been possible otherwise, with skill and talent.

Tackhead grew out of the Sugarhill Gang btw. They jammed with such luminaries as Bernie Worrel (of Parliament fame) and Jesse Rae.

250 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:41:29pm

re: #241 Mich-again

I used to eat those, but after my first day of vibrating my way through work, I had to give them up. They're even more potent than the Mt. Dew/Red Bull cocktail I used to start my day with.

251 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:41:42pm

re: #244 Spare O'Lake

What happened to autumn (or spring if you're down under)?

Ha ha ha! 'Round my parts, you'll miss spring and fall if you blink.

It's either "fucking HOT!" or "cold and foggy". I think we get about two to three weeks of spring and fall every year, combined.

252 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:42:04pm

re: #239 talon_262

I didn't look at the main site when I quoted the offending post...I just thought the posted pic was lame and in bad taste, but there was apparently much worse stuff there.

I'm an atheist and I just didn't find it witty or even mildly amusing. Lame.

And there is a horrible and racist post right on the main site, three posts down. I didn't look any further, but there was no need too at that point for sure.

253 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:42:04pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

It's a wash... the caffeine speeds up your metabolism///

254 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:42:46pm

re: #243 tradewind

I won't be really happy until daylight savings time kicks in again except for the few times when I can get somewhere really sunny and hot.

What is this "sun" thing you mentioned?

255 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:43:04pm

re: #238 Alouette

Greatest. Movie. Ever.

Jim: Well, it got so that every piss-ant prairie punk who thought he could shoot a gun would ride into town to try out the Waco Kid. I must have killed more men than Cecil B. DeMille. It got pretty gritty. I started to hear the word "draw" in my sleep. Then one day, I was just walking down the street when I heard a voice behind me say, "Reach for it, mister!" I spun around... and there I was, face-to-face with a six-year old kid. Well, I just threw my guns down and walked away. Little bastard shot me in the ass. So I limped to the nearest saloon, crawled inside a whiskey bottle, and I've been there ever since.

Mel Brooks, Cleavon Little, Gene Wilder, Madeline Kahn, Harvey Korman, and Slim Pickens (along with Richard Pryor's screenwriting)...all in their prime and on their game in Blazing Saddles.

/and it's a movie that'd never be made in this day and age...but, damn, it's a comedy classic!

256 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:43:45pm

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay.. just watched a DVR'd "Big Bang Theory". At the end of each "Chuck Lorre Production" (he's also the Two and a Half Men guy) there is a one second long screen of his "deep thought"? (for lack of a better word)...

It's best if you just skip reading those. One of them (not sure which episode, obviously something pre-Nov '08) is an absolutely ridiculous, gushing love letter to our not-yet-then-elected current CINC.

257 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:43:50pm

re: #227 avanti

Public policy is a legit poll, Nate Silver looks at the race and comments on the poll.
N8.

Great-- thanks. I knew you'd have the goods. :)

258 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:43:53pm

re: #176 tradewind

I'm stuck with it too. For some reason, turkey is scary to a lot of people. It's just a big roast chicken.
The best thing is to brine it (and add some herbs), which I just started a few years ago.. makes all the diff.

Scary? Turkey?

259 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:44:17pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

What do you do to get rid of the calories.

It only takes a few! If you ate a handful of them you might not sleep for a couple days.

260 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:44:26pm

re: #254 Mich-again

What is this "sun" thing you mentioned?

Oh shit! Did I just accidentally launch my trilithium torpedo?!
/nerd joke :P

261 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:45:14pm

re: #206 MandyManners

You have a good memory.

I like to take note of lame-ass excuses, in case I ever need them for personal use.

262 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:45:56pm

re: #259 Mich-again

At least you have the energy to nervously toothpick all the coffee bean bits from between your teeth!

263 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:45:58pm

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Re-reading what you posted - yeah, that is pretty funny. :) But like I said, I quit reading them after the Obama one. I don't care if it had been a love letter to Sarah Palin or John McCain, leave that stuff out of my funny TV shows.

264 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:46:30pm

re: #235 Mad Al-Jaffee

One of my bandmates has a brother who has been playing with P-Funk for something like 20 years. The last time I saw them in Baltimore he got us backstage passes. Great show.

Sounds like a real treat!

265 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:46:49pm

re: #238 Alouette

Greatest. Movie. Ever.

Blazing Saddles was the greatest movie ever?

266 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:46:50pm

re: #260 Varek Raith

Oh shit! Did I just accidentally launch my trilithium torpedo?!
/nerd joke :P

Should it worry me that I know what you are referring to?

267 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:47:18pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

Man, Winter pisses me off. I love the cooler weather and all, but this sunset at 6pm thing is just lame. My body clock is all whacked.

My body clock gave up the ghost some time ago. Sunset here is 4:30 just now btw.

268 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:47:20pm

re: #265 Spare O'Lake

Blazing Saddles was the greatest movie ever?

Yes.

269 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:47:37pm

re: #254 Mich-again
(You have to get on de plane and fly South to it. Way South).
This has been a miserable weather year... we usually have a very warm spring and a lovely clear and dry fall. This year... chilly as crap all spring... fifties, sixties... it really screwed up the tomatoes, and wet... soaking... all this fall. Didn't even get one decent hundred degree couple of days in a row this summer.

270 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:47:49pm

re: #255 talon_262

Damned straight. Although I think Brooks went down hill after the two classics Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles. Although History of the World had it's moments. "it's good to be da king!"

271 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:48:46pm

re: #270 PT Barnum

"Count DeMonay" Count the money.

272 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:48:49pm

re: #258 The Sanity Inspector

Dammit, that's a big one.

273 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:49:08pm

re: #255 talon_262

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:49:29pm

re: #270 PT Barnum

Young Frankenstein was written by Gene Wilder, who asked Mel to direct. Just sayin'.

275 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:50:24pm

re: #268 Van Helsing

Yes.

Oy.

276 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:50:32pm

re: #263 Pawn of the Oppressor

Re-reading what you posted - yeah, that is pretty funny. :) But like I said, I quit reading them after the Obama one. I don't care if it had been a love letter to Sarah Palin or John McCain, leave that stuff out of my funny TV shows.

Brings to mind Letterman declining to crack wise about Obama because he's "too competent".

277 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:50:36pm

re: #270 PT Barnum

Damned straight. Although I think Brooks went down hill after the two classics Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles. Although History of the World had it's moments. "it's good to be da king!"

Brooks had some later flashes of genius...for what it's worth, I love Spaceballs (with a great cast and some good gags) and Robin Hood: Men in Tights had it's moments too.

278 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:50:50pm

re: #264 The Sanity Inspector

Sounds like a real treat!

One of the best shows I've ever been to. I stood inches from Clinton before he walked onto the stage.

279 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:50:52pm

re: #267 Jimmah

My body clock gave up the ghost some time ago. Sunset here is 4:30 just now btw.

My body clock is set much more by LGF and work than by the sun. I stay up when there's a good discussion going and I get up based on the time I have to get to work.

280 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #269 tradewind

We had an unusually cool Summer here. We went weeks on end without turning on the AC and that was nice saving the cash on the electric bill. But I never thought I would say I missed the occasional 100 degree day, heck I'm not sure we even hit 90 this year.

281 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:52:39pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

I didn't know that...Young Frankenstein is an absolute classic too.

Spaceballs was good, but I think Blazing Saddles will always be Brooks' masterpiece.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:52:39pm

That just me... or did Utley just knock the shit out of that?

283 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:53:11pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

Young Frankenstein was written by Gene Wilder, who asked Mel to direct. Just sayin'.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:53:21pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

Really?

285 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:53:23pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That just me... or did Utley just knock the shit out of that?

Did it land yet?

286 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:54:08pm

re: #12 MandyManners
(Just saw this up at the top of the thread)... I loved that movie, and there's a new tv series that is kind of a takeoff on it, called White Collar, on USA... the same kind of thing, only the guy is already caught, and now he's working with the Fed who busted him.
(It doesn't suck that he's gorgeous, either).

287 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:54:47pm

re: #265 Spare O'Lake

Blazing Saddles was the greatest movie ever?

Greatest comedy ever.

288 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:55:38pm

re: #287 Alouette

Greatest comedy ever.

This.

289 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:55:53pm

re: #278 Mad Al-Jaffee

One of the best shows I've ever been to. I stood inches from Clinton before he walked onto the stage.

An old roommate of mine used to work at a grocery store in Atlanta, when George Clinton came into his line. My friend asked if he was indeed George Clinton. "Well," he chuckled, "I'm spending his money!"

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:56:48pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

Young Frankenstein was written by Gene Wilder, who asked Mel to direct. Just sayin'.

IMDB sez

Writing credits
Mel Brooks (screenplay) &
Norman Steinberg (screenplay) &
Andrew Bergman (screenplay) &
Richard Pryor (screenplay) &
Alan Uger

291 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:56:54pm

Monty Python's Life of Brian: Second Greatest Comedy Ever.

292 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #281 PT Barnum

I didn't know that...Young Frankenstein is an absolute classic too.

Spaceballs was good, but I think Blazing Saddles will always be Brooks' masterpiece.

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really. Though it seems I have screwed up one detail:

After Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex* (*But Were Afraid to Ask), Wilder began working on a script he called Young Frankenstein. After he wrote a two-page scenario, he called Mel Brooks, who told him that it seemed like a "cute" idea but showed little interest.[22] A couple of months later, Wilder received a call from his then-agent, Mike Medavoy, who asked if he had anything where he could include Peter Boyle and Marty Feldman, his two new clients. Having just seen Feldman on television, Wilder was inspired to write a scene that takes place at Transylvania Station, where Igor and Frederick meet for the first time. The scene was later included in the film almost verbatim. Medavoy liked the idea and called Brooks, asking him to direct. Brooks was not convinced, but having spent four years working on two box office failures, he decided to accept.

Linky.

294 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:58:09pm

re: #291 Alouette

Monty Python's Life of Brian: Second Greatest Comedy Ever.

Have to throw in a vote for the Holy grail here too, btw...

295 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:58:10pm

re: #291 Alouette

If nothing else than it offended everyone and nobody learned the lesson from it lol, I love that film though.

296 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:58:17pm

Bed time here, or an hour before bed time, or somethin...

297 Aye Pod  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:58:18pm

re: #288 talon_262

This.

You mean this?

298 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:58:48pm

re: #294 iceweasel

Ni!

299 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:59:04pm

BBIAB

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:59:16pm

re: #285 Mich-again

Did it land yet?

"Wouldn't've made it out of some parks. Yosomite? Yellowstone?"

301 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:59:19pm

re: #292 talon_262

When will then be now?

302 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:59:41pm

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IMDB sez

Writing credits
Mel Brooks (screenplay) &
Norman Steinberg (screenplay) &
Andrew Bergman (screenplay) &
Richard Pryor (screenplay) &
Alan Uger

That would be for Blazing Saddles...the directing/writing credits for Young Frankenstein are:

Directed by Mel Brooks
Written by Gene Wilder & Mel Brooks

303 tradewind  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:59:53pm

re: #276 The Sanity Inspector
Okay, I'm convinced now. There's Gore Vidal on the record as saying that Obama is too smart for America, and now Letterman says he's too competent for comedy.
Waiting on the Vatican. How long does that canonization thing take?///

304 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:00:23pm

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Umm...

Writing credits
Gene Wilder (screen story and screenplay) and
Mel Brooks (screen story and screenplay)

305 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:01:10pm

re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:01:30pm

re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth

FANTASTIC! (I was thinking Blazing Saddles, not Young Frankentstein)

Cool tidbit.

I bow before you, you sleeping big fella.

307 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:01:48pm

re: #294 iceweasel

You don't need me!
Crowd: We don't need you!
You're all individuals!
Crowd: We're all individuals!
One Guy: I'm not

Best line ever

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:02:13pm

re: #302 talon_262

Brain was confused... Bowed before the big monster already.

309 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:03:30pm

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Too late. I hate you now.

Aw, I can't stay angry at you, big guy. {FBV}
/

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:03:54pm

re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth

SEE? I keep telling folks you can get lit on "Coors Light"!

311 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:04:38pm

re: #295 Pepper Fox

If nothing else than it offended everyone and nobody learned the lesson from it lol, I love that film though.

There were some offensive parts in "Life of Brian" but they made me think, "Mel Brooks would have found a way to make this so funny that nobody would even think about how offensive it was."

312 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:04:57pm

Since we're on the topic I cracked open a bottle of Holy Grail Ale :3 good stuff

313 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:05:09pm

re: #311 Alouette

The Shoe! Follow the Shoe!

314 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:05:46pm

re: #303 tradewind

Okay, I'm convinced now. There's Gore Vidal on the record as saying that Obama is too smart for America, and now Letterman says he's too competent for comedy.
Waiting on the Vatican. How long does that canonization thing take?///

Not even the Vatican could top this.

315 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:06:01pm

re: #311 Alouette

Eh that's just how British humor usually goes lol it's just different.

316 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:06:02pm

I think Caddyshack, Airplane, Life of Brian, Harlem Nights and Easy Money were funnier than Blazing Saddles.

Caddyshack stands alone. Thats the Gold Standard.

317 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:06:04pm

Freetoken posted a great rebuttle to Freakanomics in the science links.

[Link: www.realclimate.org...]

The good professor, now being painted as a hero of the denier crowd, a professor of economics made some very terrible, and silly mathematical errors in his book - as in the kind that basic arithmetic would show false.

I am once again convinced that if an economist says something in relation to science, I should default assume (s)he is wrong.

I was trying to explain that seeding SO2 would cause acid rain recently. Seeding SO2 is another thing devout followers of this book think is just too clever.

There wold have been a simple chemistry thought there to apply as well. Having not read the book though, I was not aware of the tragic failures in basic arithmetic that are even worse.

It reminds me of an exercise we gave some students in a science for the very uninterested course. It was simply, convert the speed of light into miles per hour. The idea was o get them to see it in units they knew and get the idea it is really quite fast.

One kid reported it was 27 mph.

I asked him if that made any sense at all before he handed it in.

He said that's what he got on the calculator.

I asked him if he noticed blue shifts when riding a bike on campus.

I asked him if he ever noticed anything funny when he drove a car on the freeway.

Again, the way that people do not get the idea that science always has to relate to the real world is astonishing and disappointing.

318 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:06:28pm

re: #312 Pepper Fox

Is it good? I saw that at the store but declined to buy as I thought it was overpriced.

We have a store by where I used to work that carried 40 some different varieties of beer ala carte...was nice for poker night, as I'd pick up a couple of 12 packs and we'd all sample.

319 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:06:38pm

re: #307 PT Barnum

You don't need me!
Crowd: We don't need you!
You're all individuals!
Crowd: We're all individuals!
One Guy: I'm not

Best line ever

Heh. I just laughed out loud remembering that. Love it!

320 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:07:29pm

re: #316 Mich-again

Sorry...I just didnt' think Caddyshack was that funny...but then again, I've never liked Bill Murray all that much.

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:07:31pm

re: #291 Alouette

Cheesemakers scene made me think... 5000 people trying to listen to one guy?

Wonder what they thought he said.

Had never, ever occurred to me before...

322 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:07:42pm

re: #316 Mich-again

I think Caddyshack, Airplane, Life of Brian, Harlem Nights and Easy Money were funnier than Blazing Saddles.

Caddyshack stands alone. Thats the Gold Standard.

I'm updinging you just because I agree that Caddyshack is special. :)

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:08:27pm

re: #316 Mich-again

How am I supposed to disagree with opinion.

Opinion is always right. Even when it is completely wrong.

324 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:08:40pm

re: #318 PT Barnum

It is overpriced, but it's worth being seen drinking lol I just happened to have some left in my fridge. It's more of a novelty thing. Now if you want some good everyday beers my favs are Shiner Bock (I'm Texan, it flows like water here) Tilburg's Dutch Brown Ale, and De Koninck. Good luck finding those last two!

325 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:08:49pm

re: #322 iceweasel

Now Airplane stands in a place by itself...first of the so many gags so fast that you had to watch it 3 times just to get them all..

Guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue..

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:09:13pm

re: #320 PT Barnum

Then, you should see "Zombieland".

327 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:09:14pm

re: #317 LudwigVanQuixote
One kid reported it was 27 mph.

Damn! I go > warp speed down I-95?!
/freakin' awesome!

328 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:10:04pm

re: #317 LudwigVanQuixote

Science for the very uninterested class? Imagine hiring a post grad.

329 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:10:28pm

re: #325 PT Barnum

Now Airplane stands in a place by itself...first of the so many gags so fast that you had to watch it 3 times just to get them all..

Guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue..

What about Stripes?

"I'm okay...I just shouldn't have drunk all that cough syrup earlier..."

330 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:10:29pm

re: #286 tradewind

(Just saw this up at the top of the thread)... I loved that movie, and there's a new tv series that is kind of a takeoff on it, called White Collar, on USA... the same kind of thing, only the guy is already caught, and now he's working with the Fed who busted him.
(It doesn't suck that he's gorgeous, either).

Vanity Fair has a slick, two-page ad for it this month. He's more than gorgeous.

331 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:10:55pm

re: #324 Pepper Fox

Normally I don't stoop to drinking the mass produced American stuff, but I've been rather fond of Amber Bock and some of the other Budweiser specialty beers.

Best beer I had recently was Chimay trappist ale...

oh man that was good...

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:11:05pm

Zapped.

G'night Mary Ellen.

333 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:11:13pm

re: #317 LudwigVanQuixote

Again, the way that people do not get the idea that science always has to relate to the real world is astonishing and disappointing.

I know what you mean. There is checking the math and there is the "sniff test" that doesn't require a calculator. Like when you figure out the static load on a bridge and its a negative number. Forget partial credit for just getting the sign incorrect.. How could you write down that the net load was in an upward direction? Same for writing down the speed of light is 27 mph. Hello!

334 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:12:07pm

Whatever kind of comedy movie list this thread is morphing into, Time Bandits deserves an honorable mention.

335 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:12:33pm

re: #331 PT Barnum

Yes Chimay is the best. Red is my favorite. I just don't like spending that much on beer. Another good beer is Dogfish Head IPU 60min if you like bitter.

336 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:12:33pm

re: #329 iceweasel

Stripes was okay, but still Murray just ruined it for me.

But then I never thought Jim Carey or Adam Sandler were all that funny either.

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:13:00pm

re: #334 The Sanity Inspector

"ish" ding...

338 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:13:11pm
339 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:13:57pm

re: #335 Pepper Fox

My brother in law buys my father in law (who's 93) 12 and 24 packs of really good beer, and I generally get to share since my father in law doesn't drink it fast enough. Ohterwise I couldn't afford the $15 a bottle for Chimay either.

340 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:14:47pm

re: #334 The Sanity Inspector

Yeah...though Brazil has it's moments. Too bad it's such a damn bummer as well.

The scene with the sliding desk is classic.

341 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:15:11pm

re: #333 Mich-again

I know what you mean. There is checking the math and there is the "sniff test" that doesn't require a calculator. Like when you figure out the static load on a bridge and its a negative number. Forget partial credit for just getting the sign incorrect.. How could you write down that the net load was in an upward direction? Same for writing down the speed of light is 27 mph. Hello!

This pic comes to mind when I read your example.
/sad, but true.

342 albusteve  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:15:38pm

re: #334 The Sanity Inspector

Whatever kind of comedy movie list this thread is morphing into, Time Bandits deserves an honorable mention.


[Video]

so would Trains, Planes and Automobiles...imo

343 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:15:45pm

re: #335 Pepper Fox

For me its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, or the recent extra hearty Anniversary Ale.

344 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:16:16pm

re: #339 PT Barnum

345 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:17:09pm

re: #339 PT Barnum

Shiner puts out good stuff, recently one called smokehaus, which is mesquite smoke flavored. I usually use it for cooking.

346 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:17:32pm

re: #342 albusteve

Yeah...

"Those aren't pillows!"

347 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:18:14pm

While we're on the subject of old movies, I have an old, analog CRT TV, which is hooked up to Comcast Cable. Ever since the changeover from analog to digital, Comcast told me everything would be cool, but whenever I want to watch TV or watch a DVD (rented from Netflix or from my own collection) I get a big blacked out area in the middle of the screen.

I did a Google search to see if anyone else is experiencing this problem, couldn't find anything. If I switch to a channel, it broadcasts fine for about 10 seconds, then the black screen comes up. This happens whether I am watching a TV channel or a movie.

Anyone else have this happen? I think I'm going to call Comcast in the morning. They will probably try to talk me into buying a big screen HDTV which I can't afford.

348 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:18:15pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SEE? I keep telling folks you can get lit on "Coors Light"!

Go with this stuff. It tastes like crap, but it will get you lit faster, and you will consume fewer calories while doing so.

I'm not a big fan of Mel's work, though I do like some of his stuff. Young Frankenstein stands out from his other stuff precisely because it was conceived and written (mostly) by someone else. It's like prozac for me, the movie never fails to cheer me up when I am feeling bummed.

It also doesn't hurt that Madeline Kahn was totally *growl* worthy back in the day. She gave a wee, young Behemoth more than a few things to fantasize about.

349 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:19:19pm

re: #345 Pepper Fox

ooh..that sounds interesting..might go good in my chili...

My chili isn't for purists, but it gets good ratings otherwise...

I use stew meat rather than hamburger and throw in both beans and niblet corn at the tail end...

that and cornbread and it's good stuff..

The beer just adds a bit of body

350 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:19:20pm

re: #317 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey did you happen to see the links I found about a day late after our Gingrich-FISA chat? I just hate it when I find stuff late.

351 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:19:50pm

re: #338 Racer X

The guy that says "We aint found shit!" was also Tuvok in Star Trek Voyager.

352 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:20:13pm

re: #349 PT Barnum

Up ding for real meat in there.

353 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:20:20pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

I thought she was funnier in Blazing Saddles as Lilly Von Shtup..

I'm tiahd...tiahd of being admiahd...

354 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:20:43pm

re: #327 Varek Raith

re: #328 Rightwingconspirator

The worst and most painful class I ever taught was physics for elementary ed majors.

To be fair, there were a couple of really good kids there that would make excellent teachers and who were really stellar people.

The rest were dumb as bricks.

Before you jump on me for being harsh, please let me explain just how stupid, stupid can be, and then lament, gnash your teeth and wail, that most of those kids are going to go on to teach.

There was no mathematical requirement for the class. The goal was to tell them stories enough that they didn't completely lie to their kiddies when they were teachers themselves.

However, there was homework. In one, they had to find the area of a 3 by 5 rectangle.

They whined piteously that there was not supposed to be any math in the class. They said they would not have to know this, because they weren't going to be scientists, they were going to be teachers. I explained to them that they would have to teach this in 3rd grade to the average kids and first grade to the bright ones.

So I explained multiplication patiently. I drew five rows of three dots in columns. I explained that 5X3 was literally taking the number 3 five times and adding it all up.

I had them count the dots.

I expanded the idea into squares and motivated the notion of area.

They were looking at me like lobsters were coming out of my ears.

I asked what was wrong.

One of the brave ones asked "Shouldn't it be 3X5 instead of 5X3?"

Indeed the problem listed the 3 first.

I asked if they thought it would make a difference. Almost all raised their little hands. The fact that it was on the board in geometric form for why it would not escaped them.

So I asked well what is 3X5. They took out their calculators and got 15. I asked so what is 5X3? Again with the calculators, never mind that the answer was there, and why it was the answer was on the board. Of course it was also 15.

One asked, "will that always happen?"

After you get done lamenting that these are future teachers, we can lament that these people vote too.

355 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:20:57pm

re: #331 PT Barnum

Normally I don't stoop to drinking the mass produced American stuff

Normally I do. I appreciate a finely crafted macro-brew.

356 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:21:16pm

re: #287 Alouette

Greatest comedy ever.

I will give it the best fart scene ever.

357 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:21:33pm

re: #334 The Sanity Inspector

It's evil, don't touch it!

358 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:22:00pm

re: #349 PT Barnum

Yes I use it for my chili, or I'll use a general beer for cooking my German sausage. For chili I would suggest no beans and trying sliced mushrooms. Ground chuck for meat.

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:22:01pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

I love Madeline.

I blame Gene Wilder for Madeline and Gilda.

Totally not fair... but I blame him...

360 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:22:21pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

Although she doesn't hold a candle to Terri Garr...I would have gone for a roll in the hay with her anytime...

Roll roll, roll in ze hay...

361 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:23:24pm

re: #353 PT Barnum

I thought she was funnier in Blazing Saddles as Lilly Von Shtup..

I'm tiahd...tiahd of being admiahd...

yes!



I'm tired
Sick and tired of love
I've had my fill of love
From below and above
362 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:23:32pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

Shudders at the thought!
{{LVQ}}

363 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:23:39pm

Remember The Stuntman?

364 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:23:48pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

Argh! It burnsss! Those people would give me a migraine in no time.
Still burns.
They teach?!

365 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:24:03pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

So I asked well what is 3X5. They took out their calculators and got 15. I asked so what is 5X3? Again with the calculators, never mind that the answer was there, and why it was the answer was on the board. Of course it was also 15.

One asked, "will that always happen?"

You have got to be kidding. How old were these kids?

366 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:24:16pm

re: #357 Slumbering Behemoth

It's evil, don't touch it!

Greatest scene ever... "I would have started with lasers... 8 o'clock day 1!"

367 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:24:50pm

re: #333 Mich-again

I know what you mean. There is checking the math and there is the "sniff test" that doesn't require a calculator. Like when you figure out the static load on a bridge and its a negative number. Forget partial credit for just getting the sign incorrect.. How could you write down that the net load was in an upward direction? Same for writing down the speed of light is 27 mph. Hello!

Oh yeah. Just pause and think! Sometimes it's just shocking. In general, any time you get a negative mass, it's an issue. If you get a speed over C, it's an issue. If you get that energy is not conserved, it's an issue.

I can forgive missing a factor of "i" in a non-intuitive calculation. I can forgive missing a factor of 2. I can not forgive handing in an answer that should be obviously wrong if thought about for 2 minutes - unless they write a note that goes, "I know this can't be right, but I've checked my work three times and I don't see where I messed up." Then OK. I'll give them more partial credit than otherwise.

368 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:24:54pm

re: #353 PT Barnum

She certainly wore a hotter wardrobe.

369 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:24:57pm

re: #365 Racer X

You have got to be kidding. How old were these kids?

They were teaching majors at a university if I read it correctly.

370 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:25:17pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

So I asked well what is 3X5. They took out their calculators and got 15. I asked so what is 5X3? Again with the calculators, never mind that the answer was there, and why it was the answer was on the board. Of course it was also 15.

That story is as scary as any horror film I've seen. Yikes. I might have gotten fired right there. Good thing I'm not employed teachin physics to dummies.

371 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:26:28pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

I could share a similar story or two about explaining karat gold math. That is simple proportions of adding master alloy to 24 kt to make it exactly 14kt. The explanation or the lesson is not so funny. But when that math goes wrong and the metals are mixed-Now that's the funny part.

372 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:27:04pm

re: #365 Racer X

You have got to be kidding. How old were these kids?

They were 18-20 year old college kids in a state university.

373 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:27:10pm

re: #347 Alouette

Anyone else have this happen? I think I'm going to call Comcast in the morning. They will probably try to talk me into buying a big screen HDTV which I can't afford.

Doesn't have to be big screen, you know. Did you get a converter box?

374 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:28:47pm

re: #360 PT Barnum

To each their own. I'd take a growling red-head over a submissive blonde any day of the year.

375 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:30:05pm

re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote

They were 18-20 year old college kids in a state university.

How did you hold back from telling them all to get the hell out and come back when they have brains?

A calculator - to figure out 3x5. And then wondering if 5x3 was the same. Amazing. What makes these people think they are in any way qualified to tech others?

376 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:30:06pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

It also doesn't hurt that Madeline Kahn was totally *growl* worthy back in the day. She gave a wee, young Behemoth more than a few things to fantasize about.

You and me both.

377 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:30:28pm

re: #367 LudwigVanQuixote

Luckily, I went to Engineering school back when calculators were first getting very powerful so many of the professors banned calculators altogether from the exams rather than try to figure out who was using them to look up saved formulas or example problems. If you made the right assumptions and figured out the equations correctly, the math at the end was typically easy enough to do in your head. If the equations yielded some difficult math, you just knew something was wrong upstream.

378 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:30:47pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

CALCULATOARS TO FIGURE OUT 3x5?

379 The Left  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:30:53pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #328 Rightwingconspirator

The worst and most painful class I ever taught was physics for elementary ed majors.

I don't find that hard to believe at all. I'll have to go dig up the figures, but elementary ed majors as a group score lower than any other major on the GRE IIRC.
In many places elementary ed is perceived as (and actually is) the 'easiest' major, so right off the bat the people going into it are often lazy and not very bright.

(BTW, this shouldnt be taken as an indictment of all teachers, but of the people majoring in education as undergrads. I think a good chunk of them never go on to teach).

380 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:31:33pm

re: #317 LudwigVanQuixote

Freetoken posted a great rebuttle to Freakanomics in the science links.

[Link: www.realclimate.org...]

The good professor, now being painted as a hero of the denier crowd, a professor of economics made some very terrible, and silly mathematical errors in his book - as in the kind that basic arithmetic would show false.

I am once again convinced that if an economist says something in relation to science, I should default assume (s)he is wrong.

I was trying to explain that seeding SO2 would cause acid rain recently. Seeding SO2 is another thing devout followers of this book think is just too clever.

There wold have been a simple chemistry thought there to apply as well. Having not read the book though, I was not aware of the tragic failures in basic arithmetic that are even worse.

It reminds me of an exercise we gave some students in a science for the very uninterested course. It was simply, convert the speed of light into miles per hour. The idea was o get them to see it in units they knew and get the idea it is really quite fast.

One kid reported it was 27 mph.

I asked him if that made any sense at all before he handed it in.

He said that's what he got on the calculator.

I asked him if he noticed blue shifts when riding a bike on campus.

I asked him if he ever noticed anything funny when he drove a car on the freeway.

Again, the way that people do not get the idea that science always has to relate to the real world is astonishing and disappointing.

The Wall Street Journal has given print space to the CO2 saturation argument. They could have fact-checked.

The "CO2 is already saturated" argument is a crock, but it's a subtle crock. Real scientists fell for it in the early 1900's:
realcimate says
and real climate says moreover:
realclimate sayeth Thanks, gavin, for the tip.

381 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:31:51pm

I ken speel. awnest.

382 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:31:55pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

[snip]
After you get done lamenting that these are future teachers, we can lament that these people vote too.

Let us hope that none of them count votes. I suspect they would not find a calculator as helpful as for the 3x5 problem.

383 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:32:41pm

re: #378 MandyManners

Best response to the post. #1

384 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:32:42pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

And they'll be unfireable, and join the teachers' unions and vote Democratic en bloc.

385 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:32:57pm

re: #376 The Sanity Inspector

Great scene. Leaves off the "He got some smarts from you, what did you get from him" part, though.

386 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:33:26pm

re: #378 MandyManners

CALCULATOARS TO FIGURE OUT 3x5?

Yes... college students...

We need to clone Jaime Escalante and send the clones to every high school in America.

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:33:48pm

re: #381 Racer X

I ken speel. awnest.

Ur li-uhn.

388 McSpiff  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:34:10pm

re: #377 Mich-again

As someone currently in engineering (Computer/electrical if it matters) I can say that overall I have been allowed calculators in maybe 50% of my classes. Some ban graphing calculators, almost all banned HP (known for ad hoc wireless), and one (an economics class) provided freshly wiped basic calculators. YMMV, etc,etc.

389 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:34:26pm

re: #378 MandyManners

CALCULATOARS TO FIGURE OUT 3x5?

*sigh*

390 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:34:59pm

re: #388 McSpiff

I've got some antique Heathkits, some with magnetic strips. You should bring one in just to fuck with a prof.

391 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:35:21pm

*slinking off to hide*

392 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:35:30pm

The Holy Grail, Annie Hall, My Cousin Vinny, Take the Money and Run and Life of Brian are a few of my favourites which I feel are funnier than Blazing Saddles.

393 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:36:13pm

re: #385 Slumbering Behemoth

Found this in the process of looking up another scene...

for all you GOPers..

394 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:36:24pm

My gast is flabbered.

"Higher Education" must refer to reefer.

395 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:37:41pm

re: #375 Racer X

How did you hold back from telling them all to get the hell out and come back when they have brains?

A calculator - to figure out 3x5. And then wondering if 5x3 was the same. Amazing. What makes these people think they are in any way qualified to tech others?

The honest answer is they get a 3.5 average or above in the education department courses that include such things as how to cut out those decorations for the classroom.

The thing with a state school; is that they, by mandate, take lots and lots of people, even the flagship campuses.

To be certain, if you look at the typical state school out side of California, (places like Berkley, UCSD and UCLA are far from typical) you will find that the smartest kid there is just as smart as the smartest kid at an Ivy or MIT or Stanford or Johns Hopkins or U. Chicago. However, the dumbest kids at those schools would still be in the top 5% at the state schools.

The kids in teh elementary class were passed up and through a broken Highschool system, no child was left behind, and then they come through the sdoors of the state school, which will not let them have a real major, but will none the less take heir parent's money and give them something to do so they get some sort of degree.

Most of the ones in the education dept were frankly the sorts of young women who saw teaching as a sort of glorified form of babysitting. Again to be fair, there are still some great teachers out there. There are also some very bright people who go into it for idealistic reasons. Unfortunately, they are the minority.

396 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:37:44pm

re: #384 The Sanity Inspector

The guys in my example are eminently fire-able. That's when the math skills sharpened up. See if you could figure out the proportions you could add metals to get the days castings done without making your boss spend $1025 per ounce to replace the gold you suddenly need to refine back to pure.

397 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:37:49pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #328 Rightwingconspirator

The worst and most painful class I ever taught was physics for elementary ed majors.

To be fair, there were a couple of really good kids there that would make excellent teachers and who were really stellar people.

The rest were dumb as bricks.

Before you jump on me for being harsh, please let me explain just how stupid, stupid can be, and then lament, gnash your teeth and wail, that most of those kids are going to go on to teach.

There was no mathematical requirement for the class. The goal was to tell them stories enough that they didn't completely lie to their kiddies when they were teachers themselves.

However, there was homework. In one, they had to find the area of a 3 by 5 rectangle.

They whined piteously that there was not supposed to be any math in the class. They said they would not have to know this, because they weren't going to be scientists, they were going to be teachers. I explained to them that they would have to teach this in 3rd grade to the average kids and first grade to the bright ones.

So I explained multiplication patiently. I drew five rows of three dots in columns. I explained that 5X3 was literally taking the number 3 five times and adding it all up.

I had them count the dots.

I expanded the idea into squares and motivated the notion of area.

They were looking at me like lobsters were coming out of my ears.

I asked what was wrong.

One of the brave ones asked "Shouldn't it be 3X5 instead of 5X3?"

Indeed the problem listed the 3 first.

I asked if they thought it would make a difference. Almost all raised their little hands. The fact that it was on the board in geometric form for why it would not escaped them.

So I asked well what is 3X5. They took out their calculators and got 15. I asked so what is 5X3? Again with the calculators, never mind that the answer was there, and why it was the answer was on the board. Of course it was also 15.

One asked, "will that always happen?"

After you get done lamenting that these are future teachers, we can lament that these people vote too.

I can top that. I had a student who was having trouble with the idea of volume, and we regressed to area of rectangles, and I drew a 3 by 4 grid and asked the student to count the squares, and they lost track and couldn't count them. Not even in several tries. Arrgh. This, in college. But thank G-d, not as a general phenomenon.

398 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:38:24pm

In case Ojoe doesn't show up:

Moonlight on Mt Wilson.

399 McSpiff  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #390 Pepper Fox

Had to hit wikipedia, but that stuff looks pretty cool. A lot of the profs try and keep that type of gear working, just because it can be so much easier to explain what's going on in a visual manner. They also love to throw in a few "Make this work" labs a year.

400 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:39:22pm

re: #398 Racer X

Gorgeous moon tonight too. Maybe I should step out with the 40D. Hmmm

401 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:40:21pm

well, gnite all...s'been fun...

402 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:40:50pm

re: #384 The Sanity Inspector

And they'll be unfireable, and join the teachers' unions and vote Democratic en bloc.

Actually no. You would be surprised how many of them were a-political or even Republican. Not that they could tell you why they were Republican politically or economically, but they associated themselves that way usually for religious reasons.

As to the teachers union - I wish we took them seriously. If we set real standards, and paid teachers real wages, so as to attract talented people to the job, we'd have much better primary education.

403 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:41:10pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

That story, in a nutshell, is why I stopped at the M.S. and decided to get shit done for a living.

/ex-wife taught 8th grade.

404 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:42:01pm

re: #395 LudwigVanQuixote

I thought "no child left behind" put pressure on the teachers. I did not realize it pushed the dumb kids right on through.

405 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:42:04pm

re: #373 The Sanity Inspector

Doesn't have to be big screen, you know. Did you get a converter box?

I have a converter box, don't know how to get it set up with the Comcast cable connected.

406 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:43:53pm

re: #404 Racer X

I thought "no child left behind" put pressure on the teachers. I did not realize it pushed the dumb kids right on through.

It's puts pressure on the teachers to see to it that the kids pass standardized tests (which have been terribly dumbed down). It reinforces memorization, not learning.

407 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:44:05pm

re: #405 Alouette

I have a converter box, don't know how to get it set up with the Comcast cable connected.

Um, Alouette. You don't need a DTV converter box if you already have cable.

Are you talking about a DTV converter box?

408 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:44:58pm

re: #405 Alouette

I have a converter box, don't know how to get it set up with the Comcast cable connected.

Phone them and ask. If they blow you off, ask to speak to a supervisor. You're paying them & should receive good service for it.

409 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:45:51pm

Well, good night all.

410 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:46:52pm

re: #388 McSpiff

When I was in college we used slide rules and you had to have your own idea of where the decimal point was, which meant that in engineering problems you had to have a real intuitive feel for the actual quantities involved.

About half way through, electronic calculators came in, and they were very expensive, so I didn't buy one.

411 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:47:20pm

re: #408 The Sanity Inspector

Phone them and ask. If they blow you off, ask to speak to a supervisor. You're paying them & should receive good service for it.

What they said! Call them!!!
You're paying for the service...

412 spirochete  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:47:22pm

re: #379 iceweasel

Back at Texas A&M there was an elem. ed major who tutored the engineering students in Diff. EQ. She was awesome. Forget her name but I'm sure she did well.

413 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:47:27pm

Good night all.

414 Pepper Fox  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:48:24pm

re: #399 McSpiff

I have to do the same thing with beat-to-hell out of date medical equipment because it's all our school can afford.

415 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:49:04pm

re: #412 spirochete

Back at Texas A&M there was an elem. ed major who tutored the engineering students in Diff. EQ. She was awesome. Forget her name but I'm sure she did well.

There are like I said a few very bright ones who take the job for idealistic reasons.

G-d bless her.

Think back at your own school experiences. I don't know for certain, but I think it would be a good bet that most of your teachers were pretty terrible - save one or two who really made a difference.

416 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:49:07pm

re: #407 Slumbering Behemoth

Nevah mind, Alouette. I just read your post that started this convo.

re: #408 The Sanity Inspector

Phone them and ask. If they blow you off, ask to speak to a supervisor. You're paying them & should receive good service for it.

What he said.

417 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:50:46pm

re: #406 LudwigVanQuixote

The American school system is designed more around helping kids with an IQ of 80 than challenging those with an IQ of 120. I think a big part of the problem in our schools is that too many kids are bored and then become behavior problems.

418 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:52:00pm

BTW,

I recently got into quite an argument with a junior rabbi at a Jewish religious school. He was teaching that the universe was literally 5769 years old and that the dinosaurs were a test of faith.

I pointed out that when we say, G-d is truth twice a day, it implies that G-d would not set up the whole universe as a lie.

Of course he heard nothing.

However, many kids and parents did.

419 spirochete  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:53:49pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep, that's entirely true. I only had one teacher tell me "if you want to learn more about this, go to college and take the class there"

I'm now 15 years out of my doctorate and going back to fill the empty spaces.

420 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:55:24pm

re: #417 Mich-again

The American school system is designed more around helping kids with an IQ of 80 than challenging those with an IQ of 120. I think a big part of the problem in our schools is that too many kids are bored and then become behavior problems.

Oh that is is for certain. I could not agree more.

This is one of the major reasons I keep arguing for hiring more teachers with better pay.

If you put a teacher in a room with 30 kids, they are constrained to teach to the middle. They have little time to help the ones who are struggling, and the bright ones are assumed to be able to just be good and take care of themselves.

The biggest reason, IMHO, that math is so poorly understood in this country is that because of our system, kids are held back from interesting things for too long. By the time they see anything interesting, math has already become something tedious and awful. It would be grand of course if those teaching the math knew it as well and could explain it, rather than quoting dictums from books without reasons and expecting memorization.

421 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:56:29pm

re: #418 LudwigVanQuixote

You misunderstand, LVQ. It was not G*d who planted those bones to test our faith, but the Angel of Light who did so, to make us stray.
/

422 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:56:59pm

Saturn at equinox

Awesome images!

423 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:59:53pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

For Freshman honor physics I had a professor who had some obscure astral physics equation named for him. At first I was a bit intimidated he would be too smart to teach Freshmen, but it turned out he understood everything so well he could make it all seem so simple. We had to memorize only one formula.. F=ma. Derive the rest.

424 spirochete  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:01:26pm

re: #420 LudwigVanQuixote

My father and I have had a theory about teaching math to children for awhile. He has a doc. in Mech. Eng and mine is in medicine. We have long thought that algebra could be taught to 4th graders if done correctly. My daughter just started 5th grade and we have her up to where she gets the idea of functions. I have taught her the importance of tangents, rates of change, graphing and other things. It has morphed into cool fun time for us.

And she really enjoys it.

425 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:03:11pm

re: #423 Mich-again

For Freshman honor physics I had a professor who had some obscure astral physics equation named for him. At first I was a bit intimidated he would be too smart to teach Freshmen, but it turned out he understood everything so well he could make it all seem so simple. We had to memorize only one formula.. F=ma. Derive the rest.

And that is how the pro's do it.

There are two ways to do undergrad physics for no-majors.

Way one: Learn 5 basic principles, how to apply them and derive as you need.

Way two: Memorize every special case you can cram into your head, then get frustrated when given a problem you don't have a recipe for.

Pretty much everyone tries way two, because calculus is just "scary."

426 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:05:32pm
427 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:06:38pm
428 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:07:19pm

re: #420 LudwigVanQuixote

By the time they see anything interesting, math has already become something tedious and awful.

I volunteer in a science and math program from the SAE in a Detroit public school. I always spend the first class just trying to get kids fired up for how cool math is. Like showing the math behind the notion that to make a 12 ounce can from the least amount of aluminum the height has to be twice the diameter. Ha. Then after showing how the math works, you show them 3 cans of Pepsi to prove that the math really does work and an aluminum can is really made in that shape to use the least amount of aluminum and impress on them that the companies who make millions of cans every year really do hire people who understand math. And its not really that hard to understand.

429 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:08:05pm

re: #395 LudwigVanQuixote

The honest answer is they get a 3.5 average or above in the education department courses that include such things as how to cut out those decorations for the classroom.

Scissors are hard, ya' know!

Seriously, teachers at The Kid's school have to have a minimum of a Master's degree, and a high percentage of them have PhD's.

430 spirochete  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:08:43pm

re: #427 MikeySDCA

She clearly comes from a family of very clever folks and is doubtless quite bright. What can happen in such cases is not necessarily applicable to the general population. Pity. She does sound a dear.

Thank you. We also play Sonic the Hedgehog on the Wii and she creams me.

431 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:09:02pm

re: #423 Mich-again

For Freshman honor physics I had a professor who had some obscure astral physics equation named for him. At first I was a bit intimidated he would be too smart to teach Freshmen, but it turned out he understood everything so well he could make it all seem so simple. We had to memorize only one formula.. F=ma. Derive the rest.

Force = mass x acceleration?

432 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:10:02pm

re: #431 MandyManners

Force = mass x acceleration?

Yes it does!

433 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:10:57pm
434 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:11:03pm

re: #424 spirochete

My father and I have had a theory about teaching math to children for awhile. He has a doc. in Mech. Eng and mine is in medicine. We have long thought that algebra could be taught to 4th graders if done correctly. My daughter just started 5th grade and we have her up to where she gets the idea of functions. I have taught her the importance of tangents, rates of change, graphing and other things. It has morphed into cool fun time for us.

And she really enjoys it.

Honestly it depends on the kid. Some would go much further than that. The point is to keep them engaged and to find problems that are always challenging, but doable for them. This requires one on one attention that comes best from parents or dedicated teachers.

In my experience, I have met exactly three "average" kids who I felt would just never be able to learn calculus. I've met hundreds who thought they could never do it however. I started tutoring it at 12.

Now before you think I am just bragging, I'd like to tell you a funny story where I got quite the come-uppance.

Back when I was in graduate school, and I was doing string theory, my advisor was bragging that he had learned calculus at 13. I said nothing, but he knew from my face... well we had a laugh. Please note, the man is so much smarter than me it hurts, and I suspect that when he thinks hard enough things move... Also note, he was setting me up.

A little later, I was invited to his house where I met his then seven year old daughter.

She was very polite and very sweet and she said that her dad told her I would be glad to talk about math with her. I said sure! What math would you like to talk about?

She said Laurent series. She went on to say that calculus was easy, but complex analysis was tricky.

My advisor laughed at me. I laughed too.

435 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:15:10pm

re: #432 Mich-again

Yes it does!

I was one of those girls who bought into the notion that math and sciences were not for girls. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my childhood.

436 spirochete  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:16:46pm

re: #434 LudwigVanQuixote

That's really awesome! What a great story.

437 spirochete  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:18:04pm

Night all. Thanks for the conversation. Uplifting.

438 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:20:17pm

re: #435 MandyManners

That was the stereotype back when I was a kid too. I think its changed?

439 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:25:52pm

re: #435 MandyManners

I was one of those girls who bought into the notion that math and sciences were not for girls. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my childhood.

It's a sad fact that many people think that way and that many women believe it.

Even in the most feminist and "modern" households there is the issue that math is hard - even for the bright kids, male or female. In those times, the kids need to be pushed when they get a little frustrated. All to often, if it is a boy, there is no question of the boy having to do the math. However, for a little girl, the parents default assume that math maybe just wan't for her.

It's an absolute crime.

440 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:30:16pm
441 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:30:41pm
442 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:41:17pm

re: #441 Racer X

The Salute

Good, a POTUS should show respect for the men he sends to combat. There is a human dimension to sending troops into combat.

443 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:54:03pm

As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials.
- Newt Gingrich

444 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:57:29pm

re: #443 Racer X

Regardless, it is President Obama now, it is good to see him taking his responsibility as Commander-in-Chief with the gravitas the position deserves.

445 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:59:37pm

re: #444 Bagua

Regardless, it is President Obama now, it is good to see him taking his responsibility as Commander-in-Chief with the gravitas the position deserves.

Did you read the entire article linked in #441?

446 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 10:01:28pm

re: #445 Racer X

Yes, it was a highly partisan hitjob, the blogger has a serious case of ODS.

My reaction is different.

447 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 10:04:44pm

re: #446 Bagua

Yes, it was a highly partisan hitjob, the blogger has a serious case of ODS.

My reaction is different.

Any of what was posted make you go "huh"? Or was it an immediate "Brick Wall!" "ODS alert!"

Because I went "huh."

448 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 10:10:17pm

re: #447 Racer X

No, at first it looked like an analysis of his salute with examples from other Presidents.

What clued me was this little tidbit:

To me there is no speculation; this was an orchestrated event. Obama stalks bodies like some sort of ghoul until he strikes paydirt and gets the photo, but anybody who calls him on it is a sicko for daring to suggest those bodies were used as props.

449 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 10:15:10pm

re: #433 Racer X

World Animal Day 2009

Nice pix, but I don't trust those friggin' giraffes. They're super-freaks.

450 Racer X  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 10:17:11pm

re: #448 Bagua

Yes that quote is pretty bad. I must have missed it. But I am wondering why the President would go to Dover AFB with the WH press pool and a bunch of photographers?

451 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 10:26:30pm

re: #450 Racer X

Yes that quote is pretty bad. I must have missed it. But I am wondering why the President would go to Dover AFB with the WH press pool and a bunch of photographers?

Well, as the Commander in Chief who is the commander of his forces deployed in battle, it is important for him to show he respects the human sacrifice involved and realised these are real men and women he is sending in harms way. This is confidence building for the troops and helps reassure the citizens that he is taking his responsibility seriously.

452 fire at night  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 12:28:39am

Good lord, that actually was creepy.


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