1 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:10:27pm

Those kids are never going to win the sand castle contest that way.

2 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:20:55pm

Eeek, naked babies! I'm calling the cops.

3 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:21:39pm

Mississippi John Hurt - Spike Driver Blues (John Henry)

The dialog before the song is with Pete Seeger.

4 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:23:24pm

re: #3 Conservative Moonbat

Nice, I knew I liked you.

{Conservative Moonbat}

(I linked this last week as well)

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:24:09pm

re: #2 Bagua

Eeek, naked babies! I'm calling the cops.

There are people who do call the police when they see photos like that. There are still semi-regular stories of people getting arrested after some busybody decided they were a pervert.

6 freetoken  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:26:37pm

Oh, to be a child again... the only worry is where to play... and with whom... to dig the sand, to chase the birds, to wonder why the ocean is blue... and to actually look forward to Christmas, waiting in anticipation...

/53 days

7 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:28:09pm

re: #4 Bagua

Cool, I knew you had redeeming qualities. :-)

Heard this version? (Jesse Fuller)

I kinda collect John Henry recordings

8 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:36:31pm

Lightnin´Hopkins... My starter won´t start this morning

Best song about impotence ever written

9 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:43:53pm

re: #8 Conservative Moonbat

Yikes, my soul sister!

Lightnin' is the king of blues.

10 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:46:39pm

re: #8 Conservative Moonbat

That Special Streamline - Bukka White

(Not exactly John Henry but definitely a train song)

11 Bagua  Sun, Nov 1, 2009 11:50:11pm

re: #7 Conservative Moonbat

Cool, I knew you had redeeming qualities. :-)

Heard this version? (Jesse Fuller)

I kinda collect John Henry recordings

Yes I have that, beautiful.

I'm sure your have this, one of the greats!

Furry Lewis John Henry

12 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:01:28am

Blast Near Pakistan Army Headquarters Kills 20

Pakistani police say a suicide bomber has killed at least 20 people near the country's army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where gunmen kept up a nearly 24-hour hostage-taking assault last month.

Police say Monday's blast occurred in the parking lot of the Shalimar hotel, just a few kilometers from the capital, Islamabad. Television stations showed ambulances and police vehicles racing to the scene.

The blast comes as the United Nations announced it was withdrawing its international staff from northwestern Pakistan due to security concerns.

13 Bagua  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:02:45am

re: #12 Sharmuta

Note that in India the papers are talking about when Pakistan will fall apart and fragment, not if.

14 freetoken  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:02:53am
15 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:03:36am

Iran in no hurry to cut nuclear deal [Duh- this game keeps working -ed]

If Western leaders were still puzzling over Iran's approach to nuclear talks, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad offered a timely tutorial.

It came complete with a dismissive sound bite — comparing Iran's foes to a mosquito — a bit of boasting about Iran's prestige and a touch of self-analysis. Iran's president said Sunday that Tehran doesn't trust the West to keep its promises.

Added together, it helps explain Iran's zigzag reactions last week to a U.N.-drafted nuclear pact, and why Iran is in no hurry to cut a deal.

For days, Iran had hinted that it would back the essential element of the U.N. offer — to send about 70 percent of its low-enriched uranium stockpile out of the country — but wanted some changes to the formula.

Those changes turned out to be more like a full counter proposal.

16 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:08:29am

Limbaugh Assails Obama's 'Radical' Agenda, Predicts One-Term Presidency

"I'm really, really worried. We've never seen this kind of radical leadership at such a high level of power in the country," Limbaugh said. "I don't think we're better off in any way it could be measured."

Limbaugh is one of the administration's fiercest critics and has often found himself in the White House crosshairs as a result. Top White House aides blasted Limbaugh earlier in the year for saying he wanted Obama to fail as president.

Months later, Limbaugh has only doubled down on his criticism.

"He's immature, he's inexperienced -- in over his head," Limbaugh said of the president. He repeated former Vice President Dick Cheney's charge that Obama is "dithering" on deciding a strategy for the war in Afghanistan.

And Limbaugh scoffed at the administration's claim that hundreds of thousands of jobs have been saved or created by February's economic stimulus package, saying the government has become the job engine -- not the private sector.

"I believe that the economy is under siege," he said.

17 Bagua  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:13:58am

re: #12 Sharmuta

Many What-ifs in Pakistan

What if Pakistan breaks up? It's a question a friend asked recently. He is a former diplomat, a man of wide international experience
who holds reasoned opinions. "Why should we Indians be worked up? If it breaks up, let it go," he said.

We had a cracking debate about it that evening. I wondered whether strategy shops in India, in government and out, had drawn up alternative scenarios of the consequences of such a calamity. "There's no need," he said. "It won't be any different from what we have to face today. If anything, it will be a little easier."

18 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:14:30am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Limbaugh Assails Obama's 'Radical' Agenda, Predicts One-Term Presidency

Huff po has video too:

Host Chris Wallace let Limbaugh tee off on all facets of the Obama agenda, domestic and foreign. The radio talk show accused the president of not caring about success in Afghanistan. "I know this is going to sound controversial but I don't think he cares," he said, before accusing Obama of "dithering" on whether or not to send more troops to the theater. "If he cared about it, Chris if he cared about it we've got soldiers and their families worrying about what we are going to do."

That's a pretty harsh thing to say about the President considering he's increased the number of troops in Afghanistan. Just more partisan hackery on the part of Rush.

19 Bagua  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:17:09am

re: #18 Sharmuta

That's a pretty harsh thing to say about the President considering he's increased the number of troops in Afghanistan. Just more partisan hackery on the part of Rush.

It's just nonsense at this point. There is a great deal to consider before deploying more troops to serve as targets. Obama is correct in taking time to consider all options.

20 freetoken  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:31:37am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Limbaugh Assails Obama's 'Radical' Agenda, Predicts One-Term Presidency

"I believe that the economy is under siege," he said.

Limbaugh is staying on message, as is his characteristic.

The pushing of the military terms is not an accident. It plays directly in revanchism, with the "loss" of "our" country being couched in military conflict.

Quickly searched the Townhall pimped pundits for their latest revanchism along these same lines:

Mike Adams: " [Beck] understands that the downfall of America will not come from the outside."

Carol Liebau: Obama is ashamed of America's "victory".

Ultimately I believe it will be shown that so much of what has passed as "conservatism" in these days is nothing more than fear masked by hypertrophied militarism.

21 checked08  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:35:24am

re: #16 Sharmuta

"He's immature, he's inexperienced


Someone who regularly makes poop jokes is calling someone else immature. Hilarious

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:19:27am

Those poor people in Cleveland. Not talking about the Browns either.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

23 freetoken  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:42:43am
24 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:43:32am

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Those poor people in Cleveland. Not talking about the Browns either.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

He's been caught.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:49:47am

CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #248

I believe that Newton's first law of motion is the reason we will emerge from our current economic woes. That law states that an object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. How does that relate to the financial #$%*storm we're now cowering under? Allow me to explain. There are slightly less than seven billion people on this planet. Assuming that roughly half that number are either too young, too old, too lazy, or too loaded to work, that still leaves almost three and a half billion people getting up in the morning to chase the almighty dollar, the transcendent rupee, the zen yen,the dear ol' euro, the what's goin' on yuan, the... well, you get the idea. Now, call me crazy (and many have called me far worse), but I happen to think that three and a half billion motivated people is one big damn object in motion. And the only thing acting against that object is the friction caused by a small bunch of greedy, dumbass, screw-the-pooch, Ivy League pot stickers (the unbalanced force). I therefore assert that the unbalanced force (you know who you are, shame on you), will eventually be overwhelmed by the object in motion (three and a half billion people with pluck, aka pluckers), thus allowing the object in motion to continue its relentless journey forward, thriving and conniving until it is once again slowed down by other unbalanced forces, or a very large meteorite. Or a plague. Or fundamentalists with nukes. Or atmosphere-eating nanobots. Or a super volcano. Or Skynet. Or Cylons.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:50:58am

re: #24 MandyManners

Good. I was sure it would be a white guy. Don't know why, but the serial murderer guys always seem to be white guys.

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:52:34am

re: #23 freetoken

What up, Toke!

28 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:56:24am

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good. I was sure it would be a white guy. Don't know why, but the serial murderer guys always seem to be white guys.

Remember Wayne Williams?

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:58:31am

re: #28 MandyManners

Yeah, and the DC Snipers... but, most serial murderers I've ever heard of were white guys.

Not that I have anything against whites. I have some very good white friends.

30 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:07:21am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, and the DC Snipers... but, most serial murderers I've ever heard of were white guys.

Not that I have anything against whites. I have some very good white friends.

I bet you even have witnesses.

I don't see Muhammad and Malvo as typical serial killers.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:08:49am

re: #30 MandyManners

Yeah, but I don't know how to categorize mass murdering fucks.

32 freetoken  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:10:44am

re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What up, Toke!

33 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:11:29am

AP and its stupid, fucking "militants".

A suicide bomber killed 30 people outside a bank near Pakistan's capital Monday, as the U.N. said spreading violence had forced it to pull out some expatriate staff and suspend long-term development work in areas along the Afghan border.

Islamist insurgents have carried out numerous attacks in Pakistan in recent weeks, killing some 250 people in retaliation for an army offensive in the Pakistani Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan, also along the frontier shared with neighboring Afghanistan.

Several U.N. personnel have been among those killed, and the organization's decision to suspend development work could imperil Western goals of reducing the allure of extremism by improving Pakistan's economy.

Monday's attack in Rawalpindi, a garrison city just a few miles (kilometers) from Islamabad, occurred as many people waited outside the National Bank on pay day to could collect their salaries.

The bank is close to the army's headquarters, and a majority of the people waiting in line were from the military, said Mohammad Mushtaq, a soldier wounded in the attack. Militants raided the headquarters last month in a siege that lasted 22 hours and left 23 people dead.

SNIP

34 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:12:00am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but I don't know how to categorize mass murdering fucks.

Terrorists in my book.

35 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:15:51am

Evening honcos. How goes it?

36 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:17:46am

re: #30 MandyManners

I bet you even have witnesses.

I don't see Muhammad and Malvo as typical serial killers.

Don't forget, blacks are still a minority in the USA: just look to Africa: Idi Amin, Mobutu, Savimbi, plenty of mass murderers there...

37 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:21:01am

re: #36 ralphieboy

Don't forget, blacks are still a minority in the USA: just look to Africa: Idi Amin, Mobutu, Savimbi, plenty of mass murderers there...

Seial killers are not the same as mass murderers.

However, whatever the color of the skin, evil is evil.

38 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:32:23am

What a bleak morning.
Nucular Pakistan has its daily dose of barbarism.
Afghanistan continues to circle the drain with karzai the krook as the only game in the whole filthy stinking dump.
North Korea's militarization and nucularization continues unabated.
Iran's centrifuges hum while they keep stalling the impotent UN and IAEA and thumbing their islamofascist noses at the West.
The CIT bankruptcy is being pooh-poohed even though it is the 5th largest in history, and unemployment continues to rise,
AND MEANWHILE...DITHER, DITHER, DITHER, DITHER, DITHER, DITHER

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:47:31am

re: #38 Spare O'Lake

Mr. Dithers?

40 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:48:50am

re: #38 Spare O'Lake

Why did Abdullah withdraw?

41 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:51:25am

At the edge of the Indravati River, hundreds of miles from the nearest international border, India effectively ends. Indian paramilitary officers point machine guns across the water. The dense jungles and mountains on the other side belong to Maoist rebels dedicated to overthrowing the government.

“That is their liberated zone,” said P. Bhojak, one of the officers stationed at the river’s edge in this town in the eastern state of Chattisgarh.

Or one piece of it. India’s Maoist rebels are now present in 20 states and have evolved into a potent and lethal insurgency. In the last four years, the Maoists have killed more than 900 Indian security officers, a figure almost as high as the more than 1,100 members of the coalition forces killed in Afghanistan during the same period.

If the Maoists were once dismissed as a ragtag band of outdated ideologues, Indian leaders are now preparing to deploy nearly 70,000 paramilitary officers for a prolonged counterinsurgency campaign to hunt down the guerrillas in some of the country’s most rugged, isolated terrain.

For India, the widening Maoist insurgency is a moment of reckoning for the country’s democracy and has ignited a sharp debate about where it has failed. In the past, India has tamed some secessionist movements by coaxing rebel groups into the country’s big-tent political process. The Maoists, however, do not want to secede or be absorbed. Their goal is to topple the system.

SNIP

42 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:53:43am

re: #40 MandyManners

Why did Abdullah withdraw?

I don't know. He claimed the runoff was already fixed by Karzai.

43 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:56:34am

re: #42 Spare O'Lake

I don't know. He claimed the runoff was already fixed by Karzai.

Sounds rather petulant to me.

44 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:01:51am

Karzai's been declared the winner.

45 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:04:04am

Good Morning, LGF!

Organ Donation "a pre-existing condition"

A Texas hospital official said organ donors are told, but only orally, that having one kidney may be a pre-existing condition affecting insurance.

Whoever thought of this idea can not donate a brain or a heart, they have neither.

46 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:05:11am

re: #44 MandyManners

Karzai's been declared the winner.

This is what we call "spreading democracy" and "nation building".

47 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:08:48am

re: #46 ralphieboy

This is what we call "spreading democracy" and "nation building".

WE? You got a mouse in your pocket there, Ralphie? I say things are FUBAR.

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:12:54am

re: #47 SteveC

"I love that expression ding".

49 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:13:52am

re: #46 ralphieboy

This is what we call "spreading democracy" and "nation building".

Abdullah did NOT have to pick up his toyes and go home.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:14:13am

re: #47 SteveC

WE? You got a mouse in your pocket there, Ralphie? I say things are FUBAR.

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

51 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:15:30am

North Korea has again pressed the United States for a decision about starting bilateral talks, with a diplomat warning Monday that the North was “ready to go our own way” with its nuclear weapons program.

“Now that we have shown the generosity of stating the position that we would be willing to talk to the United States and hold multilateral talks including the six-way talks, it is time for the United States to make a decision,” an unidentified spokesman for the North’s Foreign Ministry told its official news agency, K.C.N.A.

SNIP

52 akarra  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:21:23am

Good morning! Not happy with the Phillies (I live near Philadelphia), but very happy with the Eagles. Checking the various links people have brought up here...

53 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:22:57am

re: #52 akarra

Good morning! Not happy with the Phillies (I live near Philadelphia), but very happy with the Eagles. Checking the various links people have brought up here...

Did the Phillies beat the Rockies out of their chance to advance to the World Series? The Kid hates the Phillies for some reason.

54 akarra  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:23:58am

re: #53 MandyManners

Yeah, the Phillies beat the Rockies and the Dodgers to squander the opportunity to be repeat champs.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:24:22am

re: #52 akarra

Next week's game'll be fun. Cowboy fan here...

56 akarra  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:25:45am

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Next week's game'll be fun. Cowboy fan here...

Yours is a really good team: lots of talent on defense and offense, and the Eagles have some giant holes in the offensive line still (although: they didn't show up very much yesterday).

Do you read football outsiders? Their analysis is excellent: [Link: www.footballoutsiders.com...]

57 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:26:05am

With the possibility of finding survivors all but gone and the ocean search shifted from a rescue effort to a recovery mission, focus fell Monday on what caused a Marine Corps helicopter and U.S. Coast Guard plane to collide over the Pacific.

Petty Officer First Class Allison Conroy said there was little chance of finding survivors among the seven military personnel aboard the Coast Guard C-130 and the two in the Marine Corps AH-1W Super Cobra helicopter.

SNIP

58 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:26:27am

re: #50 MandyManners

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

It's a family website, ya know!

59 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:26:31am

re: #54 akarra

Yeah, the Phillies beat the Rockies and the Dodgers to squander the opportunity to be repeat champs.

That explains that!

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:26:52am

re: #56 akarra

Thanks. I'll read it now.

61 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:27:44am

re: #58 SteveC

It's a family website, ya know!

I'm in trouble, then.

62 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:29:09am

re: #51 MandyManners

North Korea has again pressed the United States for a decision about starting bilateral talks, with a diplomat warning Monday that the North was “ready to go our own way” with its nuclear weapons program.

SNIP

I could see why the Chinese would be tense. Shit hits the fan, their economy suffers. And for the largest holders of US debt that's not gonna be good.

63 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:30:52am

NASA's Mars rover Spirit is suffering a new bout of amnesia, one that comes after months of being stuck in deep Martian sand.

The 6-year-old rover's latest memory lapse occurred Oct. 24 and came more than six months after a series of four other amnesia events earlier this year. During the events, the plucky rover failed to record science observations in the part of its flash computer memory that stores information overnight when other systems are powered down.

"We still don't have information about what causes these amnesia events," said rover project manager John Callas at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., in an update.

SNIP

Little green critters!

64 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:32:04am

You remember that guy who bombed the plane that crashed in Lockerbie? You know the one who was terminally ill? He checked out of the hospital!

Abdelbaset Al Megrahi was freed from a Scottish jail on compassionate grounds in August after a medical assessment concluded he had only three months to live because of his prostate cancer.

But the 57-year-old former Libyan intelligence agent and his family now say that, while weak and terminally ill, he is not close to death, and continues to work on clearing his name.

//You infidels got PLAYED!

65 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:33:00am

re: #63 MandyManners

NASA's Mars rover Spirit is suffering a new bout of amnesia, one that comes after months of being stuck in deep Martian sand.

SNIP

Little green critters!

Damn thing keeps trying to knock over my satellite dish. So I just give it a prod with my stun ray and it just buzzes off for the day.

66 akarra  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:33:13am

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hope you enjoy it - I've loved that site for years. I wanted to blog on sports more to bring them some attention and clear up my own thoughts about things, but I just don't know enough about sports to post consistently.

67 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:33:33am

re: #62 laZardo

I could see why the Chinese would be tense. Shit hits the fan, their economy suffers. And for the largest holders of US debt that's not gonna be good.

I got a kick out of the NOKO spokesbot saying that they're being generous.

68 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:35:43am

re: #63 MandyManners

NASA's Mars rover Spirit is suffering a new bout of amnesia, one that comes after months of being stuck in deep Martian sand.

SNIP

Little green critters!

"That little... thing is still over there."

"Yes, but GrdSadveil managed to sneak up behind it and throw some dirt on it. It hasn't moved in quite a while."

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:36:23am

re: #56 akarra

Philly fans preferred Greg Luzinski, a portly slugger who played left field like a brontosaurus flailing in a tar pit.

heh

70 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:37:08am

I watched Forbidden Planet last night in its entirety for the first time. Psycho-thriller in space.

71 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:41:08am

WH visitor's log shows SEIU's chief Andy Stern was the most frequent visitor over the past six months. George Soros has been there twice.

72 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:42:18am

Funny how it was released Friday night.

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:42:59am

re: #71 MandyManners

How many times was Soros there when Bush was President?
/

74 akarra  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:43:07am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh

I just read that article - quite excellent, will have to post that link.

75 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:44:57am

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many times was Soros there when Bush was President?
/

I doubt any because he publicly declared he would try to defeat Pres. Bush.

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:47:17am

re: #75 MandyManners
Hence, the sarc tag.

77 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:49:05am

re: #71 MandyManners

WH visitor's log shows SEIU's chief Andy Stern was the most frequent visitor over the past six months. George Soros has been there twice.

"Well, it is the White House. Regardless of whether the President cares for the people it's still supposed to be a highly secure location. Apart from tours they don't just let anybody in."

/so I'm playing this Mafia game on Facebook and one of the unlockable henchmen is the "Corrupt Union Boss." Hmm...

78 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:49:41am

Morning All...

a new defination for the LGF dictionary, if you please...


"Snark Bait" - (Bloodsport). A Trap laid with a "Snark", bitten upon by someone who's knowledge runs no deeper than talking points. Trapped individual is then disembowled. publically
79 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:50:11am

re: #75 MandyManners

I doubt any because he publicly declared he would try to defeat Pres. Bush.

I could see how that comment could ruin a friendship!

//

80 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:51:54am

re: #78 wozzablog

Morning All...

a new defination for the LGF dictionary, if you please...

I thought up the term "Flooby" (abbr. "flouncer moby") out of the suspicion that most 'flouncers' these days are just the latest version of those one-post-and-go trolls.

81 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:52:40am
"Snark Bait" - (Bloodsport). A Trap laid with a "Snark", bitten upon by someone who's knowledge runs no deeper than talking points. Trapped individual is then disembowled. publically

Then roasted over an open flame and served with a Dark Ale. Salad Optional.

82 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:53:11am

re: #81 SteveC

Then roasted over an open flame and served with a Dark Ale. Salad Optional.

Slathered with sauce. Yummy.

83 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:54:28am

re: #82 laZardo

Slathered with sauce. Yummy.

Put the sauce on the side. I'm supposed to be watching my weight! :)

84 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:59:33am

The U.S. Navy says an American-flagged cargo vessel has escaped a brush with armed pirates off the coast of East Africa.

A spokesman for the U.S. 5th Fleet in Bahrain says the MV Harriette came under small arms fire from suspected pirates Monday aboard two skiffs about 360 nautical miles off Mombasa, Kenya.

Lt. Nate Christensen says pirates came within three feet (a meter) of the vessel, but were unable to board. He says no one on the U.S. ship was injured.

SNIP

85 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:11:42am

Sorry to drive-by post, but, here in Illinois, knowing a thing or two about corrupt pols, this US Supreme Court case, scheduled for testimony 12/8/09 is pretty darn huge:
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
"...The real show will not be televised. It is scheduled before the U.S. Supreme Court on Dec. 8. And rapt attention will be paid by senior bulls in the Cook County Democratic machine and their Republican Combine handmaidens and the political messenger boys of the Chicago Outfit.

The court is being asked to gut the "theft of honest services" provision of the federal mail fraud statute. Though it contains only 28 words, it is one of the most powerful political corruption fighting tools left to prosecutors. ..."

86 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:20:59am

re: #84 MandyManners

The U.S. Navy says an American-flagged cargo vessel has escaped a brush with armed pirates off the coast of East Africa.

SNIP

All hands on deck, prepare to repel boarders!

/Bring your cutlass and flintlock!

87 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:22:45am

Suzanne Somers, M.D.

So what Suzie is saying is that a glass of merlot that others had drunk without any adverse effects blew out her entire immune system in less than 5 minutes so that in less than 24 hours, her entire body was riddled with fungal tumors. I won't even begin to address this - I believe the idiocy speaks for itself.

88 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:27:56am

re: #87 SteveC

Suzanne Somers, M.D.

As bad as the American healthcare system is, I just cannot see how a universal healthcare system would be able to fiscally survive a good ol' American pop-health scare.

/just to put that out there.

//also, belated Happy Halloween

89 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:28:18am

Morning, lizards. Hope everyone had a safe and happy Halloween. What's the topic du jour?

90 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:28:42am

re: #78 wozzablog

Morning All...

a new defination for the LGF dictionary, if you please...
Snark Bait" - (Bloodsport). A Trap laid with a "Snark", bitten upon by someone who's knowledge runs no deeper than talking points. Trapped individual is then disembowled. publically

What do we do with such a person? Do we jump in immediately with the disembowelment, or do we first try to draw the person into a discussion to see if they have rational reasons for their POV (rational in this case meaning thought out, not just something everybody else agrees with).

91 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:29:29am

re: #89 thedopefishlives

Morning, lizards. Hope everyone had a safe and happy Halloween. What's the topic du jour?

Cooking. :9

92 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:32:03am

re: #89 thedopefishlives

Morning, lizards. Hope everyone had a safe and happy Halloween. What's the topic du jour?

re: #91 laZardo

Cooking. :9

Trolls - should you simmer them and let them baste in their own juices, or just roast their chestnuts over an open fire?

93 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:32:50am

re: #80 laZardo

I thought up the term "Flooby" (abbr. "flouncer moby") out of the suspicion that most 'flouncers' these days are just the latest version of those one-post-and-go trolls.

Well, we have the new term "flounce-a-pult" too.

94 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:33:19am

re: #92 SteveC

Trolls - should you simmer them and let them baste in their own juices, or just roast their chestnuts over an open fire?

Bah. I find them most appetizing when properly grilled. Brush them with olive oil and season to taste; I find using a strong seasoning salt works best to mask the, er, trollish flavor.

95 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:35:39am

re: #94 thedopefishlives

Bah. I find them most appetizing when properly grilled. Brush them with olive oil and season to taste; I find using a strong seasoning salt works best to mask the, er, trollish flavor.

I recommended serving Troll with a Dark Ale back in post #81. Salad on the side if you want it.

96 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:37:03am

re: #90 reine.de.tout

The Snark lays the trap by saying csome true yet eggregious...someone bites on the snark and then is gently drawn out - hoisted by the pettard of their own ignorance over several comments until they start to cry.

97 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:38:11am

re: #96 wozzablog

The Snark lays the trap by saying csome true yet eggregious...someone bites on the snark and then is gently drawn out - hoisted by the pettard of their own ignorance over several comments until they start to cry.

Yesss, the meat will be especially tender that way!

98 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:38:46am

re: #90 reine.de.tout

to fully enjoy the expreience it's a slow roasting process.

The "Talking pointer" usually betrays themself early on though with certain short hands - but they are getting subtler.

99 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:40:01am

re: #98 wozzablog

to fully enjoy the expreience it's a slow roasting process.

The "Talking pointer" usually betrays themself early on though with certain short hands - but they are getting subtler.

Not really. People reading from talking points usually wind up talking in circles. If they're trying to be especially sneaky about it, they'll occasionally throw in "But you still didn't address my original point XYZ..." to get back to the talking points.

100 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:40:17am

re: #96 wozzablog

i'm not evil by the way. at all. much.

watching the terminally feeble unable to differentiate "Malkin From Fact" is a simple plpeasure.

101 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:41:46am

Of course, you could prepare it like they do at Fat Jack's Bar and Grill in Philadelphia, Mississippi. Jack will say "Anybody want some 'Que?" and if enough people say yes, he'll grab his army surplus flamethrower, kick open the back door, and torch the nearest cow.

102 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:42:46am

BNP Candidate Charged with Firearms Offences

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Wow check this one out. Looks like Worzel Gummidge's evil twin.

103 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:43:46am

re: #99 thedopefishlives

People keeping up with the coversation just "know" in their gut - to use a Bushism - what is happening and how to enjoy the process. Generally if someone chimes in with a comment about popcorn or a big gulp it's a clue ;-)

I won't deny it gets more difficult as the easy pickings have already flounced - there are still a couple who.just.don't.know.when.to.stop. though.

104 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:44:51am

re: #100 wozzablog

i'm not evil by the way. at all. much.

watching the terminally feeble unable to differentiate "Malkin From Fact" is a simple plpeasure.

heh.
Of course not, we all enjoy a good take-down.

I was accused once of parrotting "talking points", and it thoroughly aggravated me because:
1. I was not
2. I was trying to have a polite discussion
3. The accusation itself served to effectively shut off discussion

re: #96 wozzablog

The Snark lays the trap by saying csome true yet eggregious...someone bites on the snark and then is gently drawn out - hoisted by the pettard of their own ignorance over several comments until they start to cry.

I would humbly suggest we be careful.

105 shutdown  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:46:05am

re: #1 Sharmuta

Those kids are never going to win the sand castle contest that way.

They aren't building a sand castle. They are digging a sand bunker to hide in until some of the craziness of the times subsides.

106 SeaMonkey  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:46:37am

How about that base running from Johnny Damon last night? Mercy.

107 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:46:38am

re: #103 wozzablog

People keeping up with the coversation just "know" in their gut - to use a Bushism - what is happening and how to enjoy the process. Generally if someone chimes in with a comment about popcorn or a big gulp it's a clue ;-)

I won't deny it gets more difficult as the easy pickings have already flounced - there are still a couple who.just.don't.know.when.to.stop. though.

I usually get here just late enough to miss being seated for the main meal. But usually a good Troll Roast distracts everyone and I can snitch an extra Fruit Cup.

108 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:48:40am

re: #107 SteveC

I usually get here just late enough to miss being seated for the main meal. But usually a good Troll Roast distracts everyone and I can snitch an extra Fruit Cup.

Eh, there's plenty of trolling going around in the later threads when Charles posts about something particularly controversial. Course, I'm not going to be around much today to heat the barbecue.

109 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:49:50am

re: #104 reine.de.tout

it's not something to do everyday. of course. this is just a fun riff like discussion and should not be carried too far over into heated threads - people do get angry. but sometimes it can't be helped/

agreed. it's best to tread carefully and acknowledge when someone is just having an off night or is actually sentient.

Watching a while now you never have a bad night and are very thorough in your commentary :-)
you are one of my favourite commenters - we don't always see eye to eye - but i normally give you an upding :-)

110 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:51:16am

re: #109 wozzablog

ladylike southern *blush*
I've enjoyed you, too!

111 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:53:38am

re: #109 wozzablog

it's best to tread carefully and acknowledge when someone is just having an off night or is actually sentient.

I don't have to worry about that. Except on questions about the heart and *some* healthcare issues, everyone knows I'm the class clown! :)

112 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:54:19am

re: #87 SteveC

So what Suzie is saying is that a glass of merlot that others had drunk without any adverse effects blew out her entire immune system in less than 5 minutes so that in less than 24 hours, her entire body was riddled with fungal tumors. I won't even begin to address this - I believe the idiocy speaks for itself.

Now that's what I would call a bad bouquet.

113 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:55:46am

re: #97 SteveC

Yesss, the meat will be especially tender that way!

re: #96 wozzablog

The Snark lays the trap by saying csome true yet eggregious...someone bites on the snark and then is gently drawn out - hoisted by the pettard of their own ignorance over several comments until they start to cry.

The crying pickles them in brine, and makes for a tasty and plump roast. :)

114 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:56:57am

re: #113 iceweasel

The crying pickles them in brine, and makes for a tasty and plump roast. :)

Good morning, {ice}. Now you've got me hankerin' for my mother's killer Italian beef.

115 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:57:29am

More news from the UK via Harry's Place - veteran gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell under fire :

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Well, it has happened again.

Lunatics and fanatics are attempting to smear Peter Tatchell as a racist, and worse.

You might remember that, earlier this year, Peter Tatchell received an apology from an academic publisher, which put out a book called Out of Place which contained some very serious lies about Peter. Take a minute or so out to read the apology, and to remind yourself of the background to this business.

The three authors who published their lies about Peter Tatchell in an academic book are as follows:

- Dr Jin Haritaworn of the LSE’s Gender Institute

- Tamsila Tauqir of the Safra Project: “a resource project working on issues relating to lesbian, bisexual and/or transgender women who identify as Muslim religiously and/or culturally (Muslim LBT women).”. She was awarded an MBE last year.

- Esra Erdem, who appears to have been connected with Corpus Christi Oxford where she worked with Andrew Glyn: the dead Old Etonian economics guru of the revolutionary communist party, Militant Tendency.

Remember also that Peter - a man of principle - will not sue for libel to protect his reputation, but puts his faith instead in the power of argument. My guess is that:

- the campaign of lies is being orchestrated by these academics, or their supporters; and

- because they know full well that Peter Tatchell does not sue for libel, they feel free to take the piss in public

If you believe that the truth will flush out lies, take a moment to familiarise yourself which what is being said about Peter Tatchell.

Then go and rebut those slanders, wherever you find them.

116 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:57:54am

re: #88 laZardo

As bad as the American healthcare system is, I just cannot see how a universal healthcare system would be able to fiscally survive a good ol' American pop-health scare.

Easy...just raise the premiums for the Martians and the Romulans.
Belated boo to you too.

117 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:58:42am

re: #110 reine.de.tout

Shux Ma'am.

118 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:00:08am

re: #113 iceweasel

Ice, Ice, baby!
You're cool and you're bold!
You're our Iceweasel and
We like the way you roll! :)

119 enoughalready  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:03:15am

Yawn... I see the not-so-very-esteemed Mr Karzai managed to get himself "elected" president without holding an actual election. How nice.

120 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:04:00am

re: #116 Spare O'Lake

Easy...just raise the premiums for the Martians and the Romulans.
Belated boo to you too.

How about the Klingons?

*Warf tears up letter from insurance company* These people have no honor!

121 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:04:56am

re: #120 SteveC

They shall sing songs of Worfs bravey in going to war on Aetna...

122 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:05:44am

re: #121 wozzablog

They shall sing songs of Worfs bravey in going to war on Aetna...

*Warf reads policy* This is not a good way to die...

123 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:09:50am

re: #119 enoughalready

Yawn... I see the not-so-very-esteemed Mr Karzai managed to get himself "elected" president without holding an actual election. How nice.

Krooked Karzai's the only game left in town - and Hillary is now busy kissing his fraudulent vote-rigging ass.

124 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:11:08am

Tennant describes 'sad' farewell

David Tennant said he had to keep a "stiff upper lip" while filming his final scenes for Doctor Who.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

125 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:12:51am

re: #122 SteveC

Yeah - you can be rejected beacsue of any Parmackis past life indiscretions and also the sword of Kaless is counted as an assett liable to seizure. Today is not a good day to die.

126 enoughalready  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:13:21am

re: #123 Spare O'Lake

Krooked Karzai's the only game left in town - and Hillary is now busy kissing his fraudulent vote-rigging ass.

Well, we can't really blame Hillary for putting Karzai there in the first place. He was a crook back then and he is one now. Hardly a huge surprise.

(apparently the equally crooked presumed opponent was asked to remove himself from the election by some clan leaders...)

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:13:57am

I just read the previous thread title to be "Scozzofava Officially Buck Owens".

128 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:14:26am

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Careful now...

129 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:15:58am

re: #123 Spare O'Lake

Krooked Karzai's the only game left in town - and Hillary is now busy kissing his fraudulent vote-rigging ass.

In a country where the only choices are him or the Taliban, the only way to go is the "our sonofabitch" approach...

130 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:16:55am

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just read the previous thread title to be "Scozzofava Officially Buck Owens".

I've had that experience of reading something wrong!
Most recently with Killgore's noodle-pulling experiences.

I can't believe I said that, I'll just go ahead and give myself a *WHACK*.

131 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:17:19am

re: #126 enoughalready

Well, we can't really blame Hillary for putting Karzai there in the first place. He was a crook back then and he is one now. Hardly a huge surprise.

(apparently the equally crooked presumed opponent was asked to remove himself from the election by some clan leaders...)

Abdullah Abdullah crooked crooked too too?
Well bless my poppy!

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:19:07am

re: #109 wozzablog

Super dee dooper!

133 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:19:11am

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just read the previous thread title to be "Scozzofava Officially Buck Owens".

You don't know me but you don't like me
You say you care less how I feel
But how many of you that sit and judge me
Have ever walked the streets of the New York Twenty Third?

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:20:11am

re: #133 SteveC

heh.

135 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:21:14am

Never Forget...

136 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:21:48am

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just read the previous thread title to be "Scozzofava Officially Buck Owens".

...ewww.

/i accidentally...

137 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:29:32am

Good morning all. I'm liking getting up with the sun instead of in the dark. Gonna be a good day!

138 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:31:00am

re: #129 laZardo

Like we should have in Iran maybe...?

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:31:10am

re: #137 Rightwingconspirator

Until this afternoon when it's dark at four frickin thirty!

140 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:32:24am

re: #138 Rightwingconspirator

Like we should have in Iran maybe...?

Until a better alternative can be found/fostered, unfortunately.

141 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:35:30am

Perhaps a lesson the State dept. knows and rookie Presidents keep taking too long to learn. Nice guys fall fast in harsh countries.

142 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:41:37am

re: #114 thedopefishlives

Good morning, {ice}. Now you've got me hankerin' for my mother's killer Italian beef.

Hey fishie! How are you?
I blame reine and slumbering behemoth and all the people talking about thanksgiving recipes the other night...it's making me think of cooking!

And a special shoutout to FVB, who has got me obsessing on Tofurkey and mushroom gravy...

143 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:43:19am

catcha later everyone. too much to do, too little time.

144 Frogmarch  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:43:35am

re: #71 MandyManners

WH visitor's log shows SEIU's chief Andy Stern was the most frequent visitor over the past six months. George Soros has been there twice.

In bed.

Militant Unions will bring our manufacturing base to its knees. Oh well. "We can no longer manufacture stuff in the US with militant unions and rigid management." Again - oh well. Detroit for all. (The ignorance displayed by the pro-Militant Union folks is something to behold. -- A little taste in the comments)

145 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:45:22am

Somebody should look into the SEIU here and its effect on Arnie... Really a big player in the California budget lack of process.

146 Frogmarch  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:45:36am
147 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:46:26am

re: #144 Frogmarch

Anonymous said...

Only Seattle union members possess the jedi skills required to assemble aircraft, skills which nobody anywhere could possibly develop.

I see cat food in their future.

Zing!

148 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:48:33am

re: #143 wozzablog

catcha later everyone. too much to do, too little time.

No Time!

149 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:54:44am

Although local police agencies do not have the power to enforce federal immigration law, they can arrest people who drive without a license or who can't provide valid identification. Undocumented immigrants typically do not have valid Ohio driver's licenses or IDs.

so how do you say 'bummer' in Spanish?

[Link: www.dispatchpolitics.com...]

150 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:57:21am

re: #24 MandyManners

He's been caught.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

If guilty, he should be executed, and not twenty-five years from now, either.

151 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:58:49am

re: #149 albusteve

Although local police agencies do not have the power to enforce federal immigration law, they can arrest people who drive without a license or who can't provide valid identification. Undocumented immigrants typically do not have valid Ohio driver's licenses or IDs.

so how do you say 'bummer' in Spanish?

[Link: www.dispatchpolitics.com...]

I'm not sure how you pronounce it, but it's spelled ACLU./

152 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:59:03am

re: #149 albusteve

Except LAPD at least has policies to not engage even in this way. Special order 40 is just one facet of an illegal immigrant friendly policy. The stated rationale-They want everyone to feel free to report a crime or testify if needed.
The price angelinos pay is gang crime with felons that flit back and forth like flies on... Never mind its breakfast time.

153 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:59:24am

That's when Pennsylvania property owners will pay a lot more money to cover the generous pension bump state lawmakers awarded themselves, school employees and state workers in 2001.

sounds like some kind of skim to me...I wonder if the pentioners are unionized?...hahaha!

[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

154 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:00:01am

Gutenmorgen, jeder! Wie geht es Ihnen?

155 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:00:33am

re: #144 Frogmarch

In bed.

Militant Unions will bring our manufacturing base to its knees. Oh well. "We can no longer manufacture stuff in the US with militant unions and rigid management." Again - oh well. Detroit for all. (The ignorance displayed by the pro-Militant Union folks is something to behold. -- A little taste in the comments)

This will affect quite a few people I went to college with in Seattle but, at least one is fond of the South and she will love moving to South Carolina.

156 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:01:50am

re: #153 albusteve

this stuff is exactly how the Mafia operates...protection money

157 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:02:26am

re: #149 albusteve

Although local police agencies do not have the power to enforce federal immigration law, they can arrest people who drive without a license or who can't provide valid identification. Undocumented immigrants typically do not have valid Ohio driver's licenses or IDs.

so how do you say 'bummer' in Spanish?

[Link: www.dispatchpolitics.com...]

Que lastima!

158 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:03:09am

re: #150 The Sanity Inspector

If guilty, he should be executed, and not twenty-five years from now, either.

I wonder if he served all off his original sentence.

159 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:04:13am

re: #155 MandyManners

This will affect quite a few people I went to college with in Seattle but, at least one is fond of the South and she will love moving to South Carolina.

NM will be a stronghold when the country is divided up into mobs of angry govt lemmings or free, independent people...it's already happening

160 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:05:25am

re: #86 SteveC

All hands on deck, prepare to repel boarders!

/Bring your cutlass and flintlock!

The world needs more of these types of pirates:

161 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:05:33am

re: #158 MandyManners

I wonder if he served all off his original sentence.

the last person to do that was Frank James

162 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:06:23am

re: #154 MrSilverDragon

Gutenmorgen, jeder! Wie geht es Ihnen?

That reminds me, Inglourious Basterds is premiering this week over where I live. Should make a note to go out and see it.

163 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:07:20am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Polling shows Corzine losing to Christie in two major polls with just a day to go, but one of those polls shows the extreme level of distrust in the political process with many thinking that Corzine will manage to pull out a win by hook or crook.

There's even reports of a robocall in favor of Chris Daggett (the independent) that ends with a NJDemocratic Party tag line designed to lure GOPers from voting for Christie and to give the vote to Daggett, which would favor Corzine.

Meanwhile, President Obama was at two separate Corzine rallies yesterday and Corzine has to hope that remaining good will towards Obama will inure to Corzine.

That's all he's got left, because his record is atrocious.

164 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:09:46am

re: #144 Frogmarch

In bed.

Militant Unions will bring our manufacturing base to its knees. Oh well.

re: #155 MandyManners

This will affect quite a few people I went to college with in Seattle but, at least one is fond of the South and she will love moving to South Carolina.

We'll welcome them with open arms!

Boeing hiring 1000 workers in South Carolina

Of course, the unions are crying foul about the "low quality" work coming out of Charleston. Somebody call the Waaambulance!

165 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:09:53am

re: #162 laZardo

That reminds me, Inglourious Basterds is premiering this week over where I live. Should make a note to go out and see it.

Yep, I just LOVE WWII Nazi-killing movies.

166 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:09:59am

re: #163 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Polling shows Corzine losing to Christie in two major polls with just a day to go, but one of those polls shows the extreme level of distrust in the political process with many thinking that Corzine will manage to pull out a win by hook or crook.

There's even reports of a robocall in favor of Chris Daggett (the independent) that ends with a NJDemocratic Party tag line designed to lure GOPers from voting for Christie and to give the vote to Daggett, which would favor Corzine.

Meanwhile, President Obama was at two separate Corzine rallies yesterday and Corzine has to hope that remaining good will towards Obama will inure to Corzine.

That's all he's got left, because his record is atrocious.

This is embarrassing. What happened to the good old days in New Jersey, where a politician could get all the help he needed from the state mob leaders and not have to call in one of the Chicago Boys?

Obama needs to stay on his own turf.

167 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:10:13am

re: #159 albusteve

NM will be a stronghold when the country is divided up into mobs of angry govt lemmings or free, independent people...it's already happening

Dood. Can I have some of what you're smoking?

168 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:10:42am

Good morning lizards.

What do you make of this?

Explosion kills one at Fort Bragg

FORT BRAGG (WTVD) -- Military officials announced Sunday that a civilian was killed Friday in an explosion at Fort Bragg.

A limited news release stated the incident happened just after noon at an area called Observation Point 5 on post.

Officials say two civilians - who were not identified - were in the area at the time of the explosion. One was killed, the other was uninjured. The civilians were not Department of the Army employees. Officials did not say if they were male or female.

The explosion that officials called "unidentified" is under investigation by Fort Bragg law enforcement officials. It's unclear what the civilians were doing in the area at the time.

169 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:11:10am

re: #164 SteveC

That's workers that aren't getting hired in Everett, Washington because the business climate is unfavorable there - too high taxes and fees compared to SC.

170 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:11:55am

re: #161 albusteve

the last person to do that was Frank James

What's the number of that funk?


171 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:12:03am

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

Unexploded munitions on a firing range? Friendly fire incident? Not really sure without more information.

172 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:12:10am

re: #87 SteveC

Of course, the big bad mean pharmaceutical companies don't want anyone to get well. It says so right there in the ad for any given herbal potion.

People like Suzanne Somers are public menaces. She should read this.

173 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:12:53am

re: #169 lawhawk

That's workers that aren't getting hired in Everett, Washington because the business climate is unfavorable there - too high taxes and fees compared to SC.

Boeing's union played tough, thought they were too big to fail. Boeing found another neighborhood where the kids are friendlier.

174 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:13:03am

re: #164 SteveC

We'll welcome them with open arms!

Boeing hiring 1000 workers in South Carolina

Of course, the unions are crying foul about the "low quality" work coming out of Charleston. Somebody call the Waaambulance!

Fucking regional elitists.

175 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:13:57am

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

check this out...que lastima!

176 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:14:55am

re: #172 The Sanity Inspector

Of course, the big bad mean pharmaceutical companies don't want anyone to get well. It says so right there in the ad for any given herbal potion.

People like Suzanne Somers are public menaces. She should read this.

*Sigh* I long for the days when washed up stars and starlets declared themselves to be an expert in something and everyone understood they were talking out of their spandex covered ass.

177 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #167 MandyManners

Dood. Can I have some of what you're smoking?

it's available in both Detroit and LA

178 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:15:55am

re: #170 MandyManners

Ahh...A Gibson Les Paul run through a stack of vacuum tub Marshalls...could drop a charging rhino at 50 paces.

179 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:16:01am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

This is embarrassing. What happened to the good old days in New Jersey, where a politician could get all the help he needed from the state mob leaders and not have to call in one of the Chicago Boys?

They cut to black in the middle of the song as his daughter walked into the diner and now we'll never know what happened to him.

/DOOON'T STOP-

180 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:16:49am

re: #170 MandyManners

What's the number of that funk?

rockin the house!...easily one of my all time favorites...GET SOME!

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:16:54am

re: #142 iceweasel

Yeah, Baby, yeah!

182 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:17:03am

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards.

What do you make of this?

Explosion kills one at Fort Bragg

It's a big hunk of land to patrol.

183 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:17:12am

re: #63 MandyManners

"We still don't have information about what causes these amnesia events,"

Heavy drinking?

184 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:17:16am

re: #179 laZardo

They cut to black in the middle of the song as his daughter walked into the diner and now we'll never know what happened to him.

/DOOON'T STOP-

I have no idea what your comment is in reference to?

185 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:17:25am

re: #177 albusteve

it's available in both Detroit and LA

That shit is lethal. They smoked six packs a day in the Motor City and all that is left there worth having is a hockey team.

//They do have this Junior Varsity Football team...

186 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:17:43am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

I have no idea what your comment is in reference to?

The Sopranos finale.

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:18:23am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

Did you see it? It is amazing! Fantastic! Other adjectives!

188 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:18:53am

re: #183 DaddyG

Heavy drinking?

Romulan ale.

189 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:19:15am

re: #186 laZardo

The Sopranos finale.

Oh, ok... never watched an episode, so, don't know a thing about it.

190 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:19:25am

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards.

What do you make of this?

Explosion kills one at Fort Bragg

Wait & see, wait & see. Speculation, like nature, abhors a vacuum.

191 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:19:30am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

This is embarrassing. What happened to the good old days in New Jersey, where a politician could get all the help he needed from the state mob leaders and not have to call in one of the Chicago Boys?

Obama needs to stay on his own turf.

Obama's turf has been nationalized.

192 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:21:15am

re: #191 DaddyG

Obama's turf has been nationalized.

check out #175...

193 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:22:25am

re: #188 MandyManners

Romulan ale.

We got one more bottle - I bin savin' it.

What is that?

Romulan Ale.

What do you know about it?

*long pause* It's green!

194 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:22:44am

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

Oh, ok... never watched an episode, so, don't know a thing about it.

You might like season 1, which has a great narrative arc and can stand on its own without ever seeing the rest...although I wouldn't mind infecting you with the Sopranos bug, to pay you back for getting me into Lost. :)

195 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:22:48am

re: #192 albusteve Ouch, Obama needs to get out there and do what he does best.

Campaign.

Oh... yeah.

196 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:23:29am

re: #169 lawhawk

That's workers that aren't getting hired in Everett, Washington because the business climate is unfavorable there - too high taxes and fees compared to SC.

High taxes, militant anti-competitive whiny unions in the pocket of big government. Hard to fathom why industry wants to shed it like a case of herpes.

197 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:24:05am

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

Oh, ok... never watched an episode, so, don't know a thing about it.

Heh. I never watched it after the first few episodes, but someone happened into the family room and forced me to watch the finale.

198 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:24:31am

re: #155 MandyManners

This will affect quite a few people I went to college with in Seattle but, at least one is fond of the South and she will love moving to South Carolina.

It's a shame. When I think Boeing - I think Seattle.

199 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:25:00am

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

Yep, I just LOVE WWII Nazi-killing movies.

How about WWII Nazi-killing video games?

/classic 90s 3D shooter, got a new sequel this year.

200 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:25:12am

re: #195 DaddyG

Ouch, Obama needs to get out there and do what he does best.

Campaign.

Oh... yeah.

Actually that's a great idea. Let him get out there and burn up some political points campaigning for a scuzzbucket in a state where the seat should be safely Democratic.

201 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:26:21am

re: #194 iceweasel

You might like season 1, which has a great narrative arc and can stand on its own without ever seeing the rest...although I wouldn't mind infecting you with the Sopranos bug, to pay you back for getting me into Lost. :)

No I wouldn't, since I saw too much of that sort of reality growing up in Brooklyn and then New Jersey. Had family members who worked for the mob, I didn't like the people that hung around my relatives places, I didn't like the shit that went on in the neighborhoods and I didn't like the killing's I saw on the street and in businesses.

If there were mysterious planes crashing on my street in Brooklyn and then the people on my plane getting into fights with the locals and then casuing my whole neighborhood to start skipping around in time, I would watch LOST either.

I have no desire to watch that sort of show.

202 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:26:23am

re: #164 SteveC
I ran a business in South Carolina and never had trouble finding qualified workers for very reasonable wages. In fact I thought we weren't paying them enough but I wasn't the owner. The drug testing knocked out several candidates but I can't imagine that is any better in Washington State.

If the labor unions had any brains they would be down there organizing the work force not denegrating their work.

203 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:27:21am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

PIMF = WOULDN'T WATCH LOST...

204 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:27:39am

re: #198 FrogMarch

It's a shame. When I think Boeing - I think Seattle.

I still can't fathom why they want to risk losing such a job generating. tax producing cash cow like Boeing. It boggles the mind.

205 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:28:05am

re: #198 FrogMarch

It's a shame. When I think Boeing - I think Seattle.

there is a lineup...Washington is just to the right of CA...MI is at the far end

206 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:28:07am

re: #203 Walter L. Newton
It looks like you got caught in emotional typing.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:28:09am

re: #194 iceweasel

Opening episode... the kid says... "So what, no fucking ziti now?"

208 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:30:16am

re: #198 FrogMarch

It's a shame. When I think Boeing - I think Seattle.

When I think BMW, I don't think upstate South Carolina, yet there it is, right there between the peach orchards.

209 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:30:20am

re: #202 DaddyG

I ran a business in South Carolina and never had trouble finding qualified workers for very reasonable wages. In fact I thought we weren't paying them enough but I wasn't the owner. The drug testing knocked out several candidates but I can't imagine that is any better in Washington State.

If the labor unions had any brains they would be down there organizing the work force not denegrating their work.

Tea Partiers are far more dangerous than the Unions...oh look!--->

210 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:30:33am

re: #164 SteveC

We'll welcome them with open arms!

Boeing hiring 1000 workers in South Carolina

Of course, the unions are crying foul about the "low quality" work coming out of Charleston. Somebody call the Waaambulance!

Well, you know -those burger flipping hicks can't even tie their shoe-laces without the powerful all-loving union giving them a 10 minute break in-between.

211 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:32:00am

Holloween night report.

After carving pumpkins with my youngest children (kitty, shooting victim, Frankenstein and barfing jack-o-lantern) they all ran off to trick or treat then stay with friends over night.

The oldest daughters friend got sick so her plans fell through. As we sat with her watching food network she looked at us and said "nothing personal but being stuck home with my parents on Holloween night at he age of 18 is kind of pathetic." I gave her my leftover brownie cheesecake and that seemed to brighten her mood.

212 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:32:07am

re: #196 FrogMarch

High taxes, militant anti-competitive whiny unions in the pocket of big government. Hard to fathom why industry wants to shed it like a case of herpes.

And here they come after Wal-Mart. I can almost hear the Dems licking their chops, at the thought of the union dues of 1.3 million more workers being funneled into their war chest.

213 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:32:09am

re: #210 FrogMarch

Well, you know -those burger flipping hicks can't even tie their shoe-laces without the powerful all-loving union giving them a 10 minute break in-between.

for 5% of their take home pay, they will teach them tho...so all's well

214 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:32:20am

re: #208 The Sanity Inspector

When I think BMW, I don't think upstate South Carolina, yet there it is, right there between the peach orchards.

High Tech Bioengineering at Clemson University

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:32:26am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

Didn't know that about you. How interesting.

HEY! WALTER'S IN THE MOB!!

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:33:19am

re: #211 DaddyG

I gave her my leftover brownie cheesecake and that seemed to brighten her mood.

I've never heard of brownie cheesecake. Sounds delish!

217 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:33:22am

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't know that about you. How interesting.

HEY! WALTER'S IN THE MOB!!

Really not funny.

218 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:34:16am

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't know that about you. How interesting.

HEY! WALTER'S IN THE MOB!!

Walter crossed a lawyer with the Godfather. He made him an offer that he couldn't understand. :)

219 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:34:17am

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

Really not funny.

no

220 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:34:22am

re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well at least when I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, I didn't get egg noodles and ketchup.

221 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:35:19am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

No I wouldn't, since I saw too much of that sort of reality growing up in Brooklyn and then New Jersey. Had family members who worked for the mob, I didn't like the people that hung around my relatives places, I didn't like the shit that went on in the neighborhoods and I didn't like the killing's I saw on the street and in businesses.

If there were mysterious planes crashing on my street in Brooklyn and then the people on my plane getting into fights with the locals and then casuing my whole neighborhood to start skipping around in time, I would watch LOST either.

I have no desire to watch that sort of show.

Understood.
For what it's worth, I loathe mafia and mafia related movies for some similar reasons. Including the ones people rave about like Goodfellas and the Godfather. The Sopranos I liked--and I didn't expect to -- because it doesn't glamorise the mob the way virtually every other movie does. The schtick of the whole series involved this mob boss going to a therapist-- one of the events in the last season is the therapist refusing to treat him any longer, because she belatedly comes to the realisation that he's a sociopath.

The first season, the narrative arc I had in mind has to do with a revelation about exactly that: just as the viewer is lulled into liking this person, there are some spectacular reminders that this is a brutal man.
But given your own experiences, i certainly can't blame you for not wanting to be near it -- and it probably would piss you off.

222 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:35:29am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

No I wouldn't, since I saw too much of that sort of reality growing up in Brooklyn and then New Jersey. Had family members who worked for the mob, I didn't like the people that hung around my relatives places, I didn't like the shit that went on in the neighborhoods and I didn't like the killing's I saw on the street and in businesses.

If there were mysterious planes crashing on my street in Brooklyn and then the people on my plane getting into fights with the locals and then casuing my whole neighborhood to start skipping around in time, I would watch LOST either.

I have no desire to watch that sort of show.

You witnessed multiple gangland killings?

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:35:46am

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, pal. Whoops.

224 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:36:10am

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've never heard of brownie cheesecake. Sounds delish!


Marietta Diner (South of the Big Chicken) has lots and lots of great cakes and desserts. The brownie cheesecake has brownies baked into it and a stack of brownies on top just in case you don't get enough. The whole thing is on a chocolate graham craker crust and drizzled with chocolate sauce.

225 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:36:25am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

No I wouldn't, since I saw too much of that sort of reality growing up in Brooklyn and then New Jersey. Had family members who worked for the mob, I didn't like the people that hung around my relatives places, I didn't like the shit that went on in the neighborhoods and I didn't like the killing's I saw on the street and in businesses.

If there were mysterious planes crashing on my street in Brooklyn and then the people on my plane getting into fights with the locals and then casuing my whole neighborhood to start skipping around in time, I would watch LOST either.

I have no desire to watch that sort of show.

The great thing about the Sopranos - or one of them - is that it mocks the gangsters for their stupidity, crassness etc in a way that other shows/movies don't. The hypocrisy of sociopaths trying to pass themselves off as noble soldiers honouring venerable codes is of my favourite themes in it. Tony S. keeps telling himself that they don't touch 'civilians'; yet almost every civilian whose lives they touch is ruined one way or another.

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:37:42am

re: #224 DaddyG

Oh lord.

227 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:38:00am

re: #214 SteveC

High Tech Bioengineering at Clemson University

Yep, I grew up down the highway from Clemson, so its reputation precedes it. I'm just not used to seeing heavy industry in those parts. This, yes--but not BMW.

228 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:38:47am

re: #225 Jimmah

The great thing about the Sopranos - or one of them - is that it mocks the gangsters for their stupidity, crassness etc in a way that other shows/movies don't. The hypocrisy of sociopaths trying to pass themselves off as noble soldiers honouring venerable codes is of my favourite themes in it. Tony S. keeps telling himself that they don't touch 'civilians'; yet almost every civilian whose lives they touch is ruined one way or another.

Yes! Exactly! Well-put jim-ski. You made the point I was kinda groping towards ineffectually myself.
Clever laddie.

229 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:38:51am

re: #212 The Sanity Inspector

And here they come after Wal-Mart. I can almost hear the Dems licking their chops, at the thought of the union dues of 1.3 million more workers being funneled into their war chest.

Exactomundo. It's all about those dues. The Democrat/Militant Union alliance desperately wants Wal-mart. (They HATE WalMart - but they want it nonetheless.) Funny how they label removing the secret ballot as "Free Choice". Hey I know- lets get rid of ALL secret ballots and vote for our national elected leaders without the curtain, with some goon breathing down our collective necks. If it's good enough for the Unions- it's good enough for the entire nation.

230 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:39:15am

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh lord.

...and they serve you slices the size of your head. All of their servings are huge and the food is great. The place was featured on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives on Food Network.

I took MommyG there for a date Friday night and she was pleased!

231 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:39:23am

Just for lols - the Leotardo whacking :

232 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:39:28am

re: #221 iceweasel

Understood.
For what it's worth, I loathe mafia and mafia related movies for some similar reasons. Including the ones people rave about like Goodfellas and the Godfather. The Sopranos I liked--and I didn't expect to -- because it doesn't glamorise the mob the way virtually every other movie does. The schtick of the whole series involved this mob boss going to a therapist-- one of the events in the last season is the therapist refusing to treat him any longer, because she belatedly comes to the realisation that he's a sociopath.

The first season, the narrative arc I had in mind has to do with a revelation about exactly that: just as the viewer is lulled into liking this person, there are some spectacular reminders that this is a brutal man.
But given your own experiences, i certainly can't blame you for not wanting to be near it -- and it probably would piss you off.

In order of unfavorable movies or shows for me Gangster, war movies (except actual history shows), westerns, pure fantasy (such as "The Golden Compass").

Most everything else, ok.

233 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:40:10am

re: #221 iceweasel

Goodfellas hardly glamorized the Mob...just the opposite

234 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:40:10am

re: #211 DaddyG

Holloween night report.

After carving pumpkins with my youngest children (kitty, shooting victim, Frankenstein and barfing jack-o-lantern) they all ran off to trick or treat then stay with friends over night.

The oldest daughters friend got sick so her plans fell through. As we sat with her watching food network she looked at us and said "nothing personal but being stuck home with my parents on Holloween night at he age of 18 is kind of pathetic." I gave her my leftover brownie cheesecake and that seemed to brighten her mood.

Being sick on Halloween is the most sucktastic misfortune a child of any age can endure.

235 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:40:52am

re: #221 iceweasel

I too grew up in Brooklyn and lived in and around those who were all too likely involved in bad business. I know where many of the events portrayed in Good Fellas took place from personal experience - driving by them or knowing of them. To me, it's a history lesson, but Good Fellas does anything but glorify the mob life. It shows just how sinister and evil things can get, and how it can thoroughly destroy a person.

236 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:41:41am

re: #227 The Sanity Inspector

Yep, I grew up down the highway from Clemson, so its reputation precedes it. I'm just not used to seeing heavy industry in those parts. This, yes--but not BMW.

A friend of mine once said that when you're driving by the Gaffney Peach from one direction, it reminds him of a big tit. From the other direction, it looks as if someone's crack is showing.

Glad I wasn't driving when he said that. The car would be in the ditch or wrapped around a tree!

237 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:41:41am

re: #225 Jimmah

The great thing about the Sopranos - or one of them - is that it mocks the gangsters for their stupidity, crassness etc in a way that other shows/movies don't. The hypocrisy of sociopaths trying to pass themselves off as noble soldiers honouring venerable codes is of my favourite themes in it. Tony S. keeps telling himself that they don't touch 'civilians'; yet almost every civilian whose lives they touch is ruined one way or another.

Maybe you don't catch what I'm saying. I was very close to some shit that came down in the 50's in Brooklyn. I saw how some of that "stupidity" got people hurt and killed, people I know.

That is not interesting to me at all.

238 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:42:22am

re: #235 lawhawk

I too grew up in Brooklyn and lived in and around those who were all too likely involved in bad business. I know where many of the events portrayed in Good Fellas took place from personal experience - driving by them or knowing of them. To me, it's a history lesson, but Good Fellas does anything but glorify the mob life. It shows just how sinister and evil things can get, and how it can thoroughly destroy a person.

We knew each other, right?

239 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:43:06am

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

We knew each other, right?

Shhh... Don't blow his witness protection ID. //

240 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:43:52am

I'm stopping with the mob jokes now. >_>

241 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:44:26am

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

I think we're at least a generation apart but we probably crossed paths once or twice. You can leave Brooklyn, but Brooklyn never leaves you...

242 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:44:27am

re: #235 lawhawk

I too grew up in Brooklyn and lived in and around those who were all too likely involved in bad business. I know where many of the events portrayed in Good Fellas took place from personal experience - driving by them or knowing of them. To me, it's a history lesson, but Good Fellas does anything but glorify the mob life. It shows just how sinister and evil things can get, and how it can thoroughly destroy a person.

Hmm, my problem is that so many people seem to take the opposite lesson from Goodfellas, and also, i think maybe I hate the mob so much I just automatically hated that movie. If you think it's worthwhile I'll try giving it another shot.

243 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:45:51am

re: #241 lawhawk

I think we're at least a generation apart but we probably crossed paths once or twice. You can leave Brooklyn, but Brooklyn never leaves you...

Don't I know that. I think you know I was back there in Sept. for the first time in about 25 years, and I was actually homesick (and started talkin' like dis', if yous know what I mean).

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:46:02am
245 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:47:10am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SONUVABITCH!

Yes, FORD who didn't take any stimulus money. Bad news for the administration.

246 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:47:20am

re: #239 DaddyG

Shhh... Don't blow his witness protection ID. //

From the TV show Wings: Lloyd sees something he shouldn't and has to go into witness protection.

... so they gave me a chance to stop by and say goodbye.

Brian: Where are you going?

Lloyd: They won't tell me!... would you?

The US Marshal leans in close and whispers in Lloyds ear.

Lloyd: DUDE! Hawaii?

Marshal (Throwing up his hands): Better bring an overcoat!

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:47:39am

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

First time I ever ate handmade pasta was in Brooklyn.

Oh. My. Goodness. Was it good.

248 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:48:35am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SONUVABITCH!

No, no, no, when you send the spokesman/spokeswoman out, she should say "We're all quietly pleased."

249 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:48:40am

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

Yes, FORD who didn't take any stimulus money. Bad news for the administration.

BO has spin on his side...wait for the reverse doublebabble...something about collateral effect or whatever

250 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:49:22am

NY-23: ‘No Right Wing! No Right Wing!’

“Glenn Beck?” she said. The crowd booed. “Rush Limbaugh?” The crowd booed again. “Sean Hannity? They don’t live here. You live here! [State Sen.] Darrell Aubertine lives here! Dede Scozzafava lives here!”

The smallish crowd of around 250 people — who had passed a crowd of around 20 conservative protesters on the way in — cheered along with a speech that was largely about sending a message to the GOP. “We can not afford to let right-wing extremists make a point in this district.”

Good luck with that.

251 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:49:27am

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First time I ever ate handmade pasta was in Brooklyn.

Oh. My. Goodness. Was it good.

Rolled on the thigh of an Italian princess...

252 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:49:32am

re: #249 albusteve

BO has spin on his side...wait for the reverse doublebabble...something about collateral effect or whatever

It will involve cash-4-clunkers and Ford's lineup of more fuel efficient cars. Wait for it...

253 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:49:34am

I once saw a guy get a wedgie near Buffalo.
Gotta run...

254 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:49:35am

re: #231 Jimmah

Retirement, mob style.

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:49:36am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Best frickin' news I've heard in a long time. Wonder what they would've cleared without CFC. The United States would've probably hemorrhaged a little less.

256 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:50:35am

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They gained an edge from the Reptilian Conspiracy, which kindly offered to bail them out for the price of lizard-izing one of their vehicles.

/bwahahahaha

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:51:14am

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Now I'm hungry and horny. Thanks, Walter.

Wait, the leg hairy?

258 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:51:35am

re: #204 SteveC

I still can't fathom why they want to risk losing such a job generating. tax producing cash cow like Boeing. It boggles the mind.

The power-drunk pendulum has swung to far - so business seeks a friendlier environment. As we understand, that's just how it works.

259 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:51:36am

re: #242 iceweasel

Here's the thing about Good Fellas. It portrays a wise guy Henry Hill, who starts out at a messenger boy and sees all the money flowing and only much later finds out the problems that come from all his actions - the running from the law, the worry that the mob will be out to whack him for going against his crew and the boss (Castellana, as played by Paul Sorvino).

The scene where Henry and Karen sleep on the bed, with guns in their hands epitomize the problems that they put themselves in; they were no longer safe. They had no where left to turn, and didn't know who or when the end would come.

Hill was running drugs and guns, and that eventually got him in real trouble with the feds; they put him into protective custody to testify against the crew, but his criminal ways didn't end there; he eventually got arrested for drug possession again, was thrown out of witness protection, and still has occasional run ins with the law.

260 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:51:38am

re: #224 DaddyG

Marietta Diner (South of the Big Chicken) has lots and lots of great cakes and desserts. The brownie cheesecake has brownies baked into it and a stack of brownies on top just in case you don't get enough. The whole thing is on a chocolate graham craker crust and drizzled with chocolate sauce.

I think I gained two pounds just reading that.

261 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:52:17am

re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Best frickin' news I've heard in a long time. Wonder what they would've cleared without CFC. The United States would've probably hemorrhaged a little less.

Wait until Cash for Clunkers blows up in their face. Just like houses, a lot of folks ran out and bought a car they had no business buying because the government said they could. Give it a year or two and you'll be able to buy a good late model repo, nooo problem!

262 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:52:23am

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

Yes, FORD who didn't take any stimulus money. Bad news for the administration.

They'll still try to take credit.

263 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:52:28am

It looks like Ford woke up just in time. I wish GM had been a little less dense when it came to their financial and sales situation so they could have averted the need for a huge government hand out.

Don't discount the Ford sales being due to people not happy about the path GM and the Federal govt. took. I am one of those people who used to buy GMs almost exclusively and will now be looking to Ford for my next car. Those glass top Mustangs look pretty sweet.

264 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:52:50am

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

Ha... funny thing is that I never had a Brooklyn accent; mom was an English teacher and didn't stand for it. Proper English or none at all.

265 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:53:12am

re: #260 The Sanity Inspector

I think I gained two pounds just reading that.

Save some room for the roasted Snark Bait!

266 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:53:17am

Conservatives urge 'House call' on Thursday

Some House conservatives are encouraging constituents to visit the Capitol on Thursday, the earliest day on which a health bill vote could be held.

A group of five GOP lawmakers, led by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), are hoping voters make a "House Call" on the Capitol this week before a highly-anticipated vote on House healthcare reform legislation.

"Speaker Pelosi is putting her bill on fast track to a vote – and it remains to be seen if the House will even get a chance to vote on the commonsense Republican alternatives," Bachmann said in a statement. "The people need to make a House Call on Washington this week and tell their Representatives to vote no to a government take-over of one-fifth of our economy."

I thought this was funny:

It's not clear how Bachmann's call for constituent visits will lead to the voters confronting lawmakers, a charge she issued on Friday.

Maybe they could all yell, "you lie!" and see what that gets them.

267 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:53:45am

More Late Data on NY-23

We now have the final Siena poll out for the NY-23 special election. Like last night's PPP poll, it has Conservative party candidate Doug Hoffman in the lead. But by a far smaller margin. PPP had a 16 or 17 point margin, depending on whether Dede Scozzafava (the regular GOP nominee who has now left the race) is included. Siena has it at Hoffman 41%, Owens 36% with fully 18% undecided.

268 SteveC  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:54:57am

Time to run! Hope everyone has a good day!

269 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:55:50am

re: #260 The Sanity Inspector

I think I gained two pounds just reading that.


Here is Marietta Diner's regular menu. The food really does overflow the plate like that and the plates are those big oval serving trays.

270 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:56:50am

re: #264 lawhawk

Ha... funny thing is that I never had a Brooklyn accent; mom was an English teacher and didn't stand for it. Proper English or none at all.

It was my acting training that got rid of my accent. But a word or two slips out now and then. I actually have to think about how I say "idea" since it comes out "idear."

271 charlz  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:57:00am

re: #252 DaddyG

Ford already said that cash-4-clunkers played a large part.
This from _Forbes_:
Cash For Clunkers helps automaker earn 26 cents a share.
Forbes

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:58:01am

re: #269 DaddyG

Butterfinger Cheesecake?

273 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:58:51am

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Butterfinger Cheesecake?

Sounds delicious. I love cheesecake.

274 jaunte  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:59:19am

Life imitates Japanese sci-fi movie:

The trawler, the Diasan Shinsho-maru, capsized off Chiba`as its three-man crew was trying to haul in a net containing dozens of huge Nomura's jellyfish.


Japanese fishing trawler sunk by giant jellyfish

275 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 7:59:45am

Conservatives take aim at leaders, Charlie Crist, other races

“I don’t give a crap about party,” said Jennifer Bernstone, a tea party organizer for Central New York 912, which helped to lead the anti-Scozzafava charge. “Grass-roots activists don’t care about party.”

Says Everett Wilkinson, a tea party organizer in Florida: “We are not going to allow our [movement] to be stolen by the GOP or by any political party.”
...
“If you look at other bellwether races, we’re still going to be on opposing sides,” said Brandon, who pointed to the Florida Senate race, where a conservative former state House speaker is taking on GOP-establishment-backed Gov. Charlie Crist as the next major conservative electoral stand.

“There are going to be other conflicts,” said Brandon. “We have a lot of work to do. The [Doug] Hoffman campaign was the beginning. It was not the climax.”

276 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:00:05am

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Butterfinger Cheesecake?

Yup... I almost tried the Baclava cheesecake too but the brownies won me over. It is a good thing the diner is a 30 minute drive away or I'd be in trouble.

277 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:00:19am

re: #266 Sharmuta

Conservatives urge 'House call' on Thursday

Maybe they could all yell, "you lie!" and see what that gets them.

at least a struggling House GOP is trying to be heard...something is more than nothing...seems like a good idea to me, even tho it's futile, to dismiss alternatives by vote...they are at least representing their constituants

278 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:01:16am

re: #273 Sharmuta

Sounds delicious. I love cheesecake.

Here you go

279 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:02:15am

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Here's the actual poll, which includes various breakouts.

Hoffman leads comfortably among GOPers, who make up the majority of the district's voters. Owens gets a plurality of votes among Independents, but that's not enough to give him a win IMO.

Favorable/unfavorable favors Hoffman (47-33), while Owens is viewed unfavorably by more people than those who view him favorably (37-38).

606 likely voters, margin of error is 4.

Here's what has to happen for Owens to win:
Clinton/Essex/Franklin/Fulton/Hamilton must vote overwhelmingly for Owens and modest turnout in Madison/Oneida/Oswego for Hoffman gives Owens the win; Jefferson/Lewis/St. Lawrence are toss up with both candidates even.

Clinton/Essex/Franklin/Fulton/Hamilton already heavily favor Owens, but he has to do extremely well there in his base to win.

For Hoffman to win, he has to do the opposite of Owens; he has to win with good turnout in Madison, Oneida, and Oswego, while hoping Clinton, Essex, Franklin, Fulton, and Hamilton don't show at the polls, while the muddle of Jefferson, Lewis, and St. Lawrence remain a tossup.

Another scenario puts the onus on Hoffman and Owens to get the toss up votes in Jefferson, Lewis, and St. Lewis to break to them. From the cross tabs, it appears that Scozzafava's support in those three counties split evenly between Owens and Hoffman.

280 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:02:19am

re: #275 Killgore Trout

I don’t give a crap about party,”

Seems like no one gives a crap about the party now. Even the chairman thinks when another party wins it's good for the party.

281 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:03:01am

All this talk about food is making me hungry.

Brb, ice cream.

282 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:03:34am

re: #271 charlz

Ford already said that cash-4-clunkers played a large part.
This from _Forbes_:
Cash For Clunkers helps automaker earn 26 cents a share.
Forbes

that blurb explains nothing...what does 'break out the contribution" even mean?

283 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:03:36am

re: #280 Sharmuta

Seems like no one gives a crap about the party now. Even the chairman thinks when another party wins it's good for the party.

Party should trump candidate, right?

284 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:03:39am

re: #280 Sharmuta

Seems like no one gives a crap about the party now. Even the chairman thinks when another party wins it's good for the party.

I never liked parties. I guess I was just a natural wallflower with two left feet.

/k, actually gettin' snack.

285 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:04:13am

re: #280 Sharmuta

The true irony is he could be right...

286 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:04:59am

Party affiliation aside I wonder if Scozzafava endorsing the opposing party candidate will actually hurt his chances. Something in American politics tends to savage "turncoats" or "traitors". Look what happened to Zell Miller and Joseph Lieberman.

287 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:07:01am

Whoever thought cheese-cake-filled Hershey Kisses was a good idea needs to be fired.

288 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:07:17am

re: #286 DaddyG

Party affiliation aside I wonder if Scozzafava endorsing the opposing party candidate will actually hurt his chances. Something in American politics tends to savage "turncoats" or "traitors". Look what happened to Zell Miller and Joseph Lieberman.

Concur.

289 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:07:34am

re: #286 DaddyG

Party affiliation aside I wonder if Scozzafava endorsing the opposing party candidate will actually hurt his chances. Something in American politics tends to savage "turncoats" or "traitors". Look what happened to Zell Miller and Joseph Lieberman.

so what?...those guys did alright with their careers feasting off the taxpayers...that's what it is all about...staying in office and keep the pipeline open, that's the bottom line...switch parties if you have to

290 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:07:54am

re: #287 MandyManners

Whoever thought cheese-cake-filled Hershey Kisses was a good idea needs to be fired.

That is backwards isn't it? /

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:08:40am

re: #287 MandyManners

Uh... WHERE!?!?!?

292 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:09:08am

re: #290 DaddyG

That is backwards isn't it? /

Nope. It's a waste of chocolate and foil wrappers.

293 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:09:27am

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh... WHERE!?!?!?

In the garbage now.

294 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:10:26am

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

Party should trump candidate, right?

That all depends. Voters are free to vote however they so choose, but it's different when we're talking about the party chairman. His job is to support the party and the party's candidates. As for voters feeling there are no candidates worthy of supporting, they should consider getting involved with the party of their choice and work towards getting better candidates on the ballots. Democratic forms of government require some work on the part of the people too.

295 avanti  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:10:41am

re: #175 albusteve

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

check this out...que lastima!

Rasmussen will have to correct itself soon, they are looking silly by showing numbers 8-9 points lower than other polls with their odd polling of strongly approve/disapprove. They agree with Gallup that Obama has been stable since Aug, just 9 points lower.

Gallup.

296 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:10:47am

re: #287 MandyManners

Whoever thought cheese-cake-filled Hershey Kisses was a good idea needs to be fired.

That sounds nasty.

297 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:10:49am

re: #293 MandyManners

In the garbage now.

Get them out of the garbage... QUICK! That sounds wonderful...

298 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:11:01am

re: #282 albusteve

Ford did not separate out the effect of CFC on its profits for the quarter. Moreover, it appears that $200 of the $357 million were the result of restructuring and reducing debt, not profit. CFC may have helped Ford by reducing the need for the company to spend on expensive rebates of its own, and instead pushed the cost onto taxpayers (just as all the other car companies did to lesser effect). Ford's big problem is the UAW which now wants a bigger piece of the pie, even as they've helped bring the downfall to the US auto industry (and which has a say in ownership of GM, Ford's competitor).

299 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:12:14am

re: #293 MandyManners

But!...But!...

300 Dreader1962  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:12:29am

I saw this linked from Drudge:

Islam goes to Hollywood...

Another film that is supposed to "...educate people about the true meaning of Islam." - that will not show Muhammad at all.

They also mention that someone wants to remake 'The Message'; a movie that sparked protests, hostage taking and killing. The movie was so 'careful' that it not only didn't show Muhammad, it didn't have him speaking and didn't show any of his wives or immediate family. I suggest for the new film, they should follow the method used for adults speaking in the Charlie Brown cartoons.

It is backed by the Qatar-based production company Alnoor Holdings, who have installed the Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi to oversee all aspects of the shoot.

Does this scholar have any background that is known?

301 vxbush  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:13:01am

re: #299 fat bastard vegetarian

But!...But!...

I'm with Mandy on this one. Cheesecake? In Hershey's Kisses? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

302 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:15:13am

re: #301 vxbush

I'm with Mandy on this one. Cheesecake? In Hershey's Kisses? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

They've just gotten out of hand with their filled kisses idea they do seasonally. I can see peanut butter, and minty fillings, but the cherry cream was borderline, and cheesecake is right out.

303 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:16:09am

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

Maybe you don't catch what I'm saying. I was very close to some shit that came down in the 50's in Brooklyn. I saw how some of that "stupidity" got people hurt and killed, people I know.

That is not interesting to me at all.

I've experienced gangsters first hand myself, Walter. Had to move out of my flat under threat of torture and death (no exaggeration) because I didn't give in to their extortion demands.

I know what a bunch of sociopathic, moronic fuckheads these kind of people are, that's one reason why I enjoyed the Sopranos.

304 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:16:24am

re: #296 Sharmuta

That sounds nasty.

With a capital "N".

305 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:16:42am

re: #301 vxbush

I'm with Mandy on this one. Cheesecake? In Hershey's Kisses? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

"If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right."
-Barbara Mandrell

306 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:16:47am

re: #297 Walter L. Newton

Get them out of the garbage... QUICK! That sounds wonderful...

They're not.

307 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:17:34am

re: #304 MandyManners

With a capital "N".

Thank you for this public service. I will know to avoid these.

308 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:17:37am

re: #279 lawhawk

Thanks for the perspective. This is going to be interesting.

309 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:18:02am

re: #299 fat bastard vegetarian

But!...But!...

I didn't know what I was biting. I saw the Kiss, ripped off the wrapper, bit down and spat it out very quickly.

310 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:18:49am

re: #309 MandyManners

Surprise Cheesecake? And you're not ecstatic?

311 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:19:19am

re: #300 Dreader1962

I saw this linked from Drudge:

Islam goes to Hollywood...

Another film that is supposed to "...educate people about the true meaning of Islam." - that will not show Muhammad at all.

They also mention that someone wants to remake 'The Message'; a movie that sparked protests, hostage taking and killing. The movie was so 'careful' that it not only didn't show Muhammad, it didn't have him speaking and didn't show any of his wives or immediate family. I suggest for the new film, they should follow the method used for adults speaking in the Charlie Brown cartoons.


Does this scholar have any background that is known?

A new load of PC bullshit?

312 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:19:24am

re: #295 avanti

Rasmussen will have to correct itself soon, they are looking silly by showing numbers 8-9 points lower than other polls with their odd polling of strongly approve/disapprove. They agree with Gallup that Obama has been stable since Aug, just 9 points lower.

Why get down on Rasmussens methodology? They are very clear that their ratio reflects strongly approve vs strongly disapprove. This is a valid methodology and one that we use in customer service all the time. Your ratio of 1-2 and 9-10 on a ten point scale tells you more than a simple mean score.

If you have issues with their sampling that is one thing but even there the weighting of the Dem, Rep, Ind can be debated.

I take all polls with a grain of salt (and even elections in Chicago) but your partisanship is showing with your distaste for this particular polling institution.

313 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:20:15am

re: #310 fat bastard vegetarian

Surprise Cheesecake? And you're not ecstatic?

I like cheesecake but, this was just horrific.

314 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:20:29am

re: #310 fat bastard vegetarian

Surprise Cheesecake? And you're not ecstatic?

Fake surprise cheesecake that's been inside a chocolate kiss for who knows how long? Ecstatic, no- I'd be pissed someone f*cked with my chocolate.

315 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:20:34am

re: #295 avanti

Rasmussen will have to correct itself soon, they are looking silly by showing numbers 8-9 points lower than other polls with their odd polling of strongly approve/disapprove. They agree with Gallup that Obama has been stable since Aug, just 9 points lower.

38, 39, whatever it takes...bottom line...BO is tanking, and he should be...it's a good thing, trust me

316 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:20:48am

re: #311 MandyManners

A new load of PC bullshit?

Yep, that looks to be about the size of it.

317 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:21:52am

re: #309 MandyManners

I didn't know what I was biting. I saw the Kiss, ripped off the wrapper, bit down and spat it out very quickly.


That's what she said...

In bed...

318 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:22:48am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Yep, that looks to be about the size of it.

Instead of ruffled feathers and whining, violating this code could lead to seething and real violence.

319 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:23:14am

re: #317 DaddyG

That's what she said...

In bed...

Ouch.

320 Danny  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:23:19am

Did somebody say cheesecake?

321 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:23:33am

re: #317 DaddyG

That's what she said...

In bed...

HA!

322 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:23:51am

re: #319 laZardo

Ouch.


Sorry... too much time with the teenagers. ;-)

323 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:25:34am

I'm supposed to be reviewing detailed planning documents. Is anyone else having trouble concentrating today? (I suppose the after Halloween 1/2 price chocolate bars I've been snarfing don't help.)

324 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:26:10am

re: #298 lawhawk

That inherent conflict of interest is just fascinating in a train wreck kinda way.

325 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:26:50am

re: #320 Danny

Mandy got surprise cheesecake, and she's mad...

326 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:27:49am

re: #325 fat bastard vegetarian

Mandy got surprise cheesecake, and she's mad...

That sounds like a dirty website.

327 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:28:03am

Europe’s Obama Thrill Turns to Disappointment
Charm, it seems, can only get you so far.

Pam Meister at PJM...read the whole thing Avanti

328 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:28:08am

re: #323 DaddyG

I'm supposed to be reviewing detailed planning documents. Is anyone else having trouble concentrating today? (I suppose the after Halloween 1/2 price chocolate bars I've been snarfing don't help.)

Huh? What? You were saying...?

329 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:28:22am

re: #298 lawhawk

Ford did not separate out the effect of CFC on its profits for the quarter. Moreover, it appears that $200 of the $357 million were the result of restructuring and reducing debt, not profit. CFC may have helped Ford by reducing the need for the company to spend on expensive rebates of its own, and instead pushed the cost onto taxpayers (just as all the other car companies did to lesser effect). Ford's big problem is the UAW which now wants a bigger piece of the pie, even as they've helped bring the downfall to the US auto industry (and which has a say in ownership of GM, Ford's competitor).

Morning lawhawk! I remember thinking when it was announced that UAW got some "ownership" in GM and Chrysler as part of the bailout - okay, since Ford didn't take the money, and UAW didn't get a "piece" 'cause Ford wasn't playing, wouldn't UAW have a stake in favoring GM and Chrysler over Ford in the marketplace?

Guess I have my answer now.

330 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:28:34am

re: #286 DaddyG

Party affiliation aside I wonder if Scozzafava endorsing the opposing party candidate will actually hurt his chances. Something in American politics tends to savage "turncoats" or "traitors". Look what happened to Zell Miller and Joseph Lieberman.

What do you mean? Zell Miller was at the end of his political career anyway, and Joe Lieberman was re-elected as an independent.

331 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:29:30am

re: #324 Rightwingconspirator

That inherent conflict of interest is just fascinating in a train wreck kinda way.

a 30 year train wreck...it's no wonder the Unions and the dems are inseperable...twins

332 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:29:51am

re: #330 The Sanity Inspector

What do you mean? Zell Miller was at the end of his political career anyway, and Joe Lieberman was re-elected as an independent.


They were savaged as turncoats in the media and by their former party colleagues. That was the effect I was referring to. I don't know what impact that will have among voters in the NY race- that was what I was musing about.

333 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:30:15am

re: #318 MandyManners

Instead of ruffled feathers and whining, violating this code could lead to seething and real violence.

The movies shouldn't be made. Anything other than a whitewash of Mohammad will trigger riots and terrorism. If the movie has to be a whitewash, better it not be made at all. Tell the truth or don't speak.

334 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:30:27am

re: #330 The Sanity Inspector

What do you mean? Zell Miller was at the end of his political career anyway, and Joe Lieberman was re-elected as an independent.


More to your point Lieberman was able to get elected as an independent so that may be my answer.

335 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:30:41am

re: #329 subsailor68

Morning lawhawk! I remember thinking when it was announced that UAW got some "ownership" in GM and Chrysler as part of the bailout - okay, since Ford didn't take the money, and UAW didn't get a "piece" 'cause Ford wasn't playing, wouldn't UAW have a stake in favoring GM and Chrysler over Ford in the marketplace?

Guess I have my answer now.

yup, they want their 17% payback now...

336 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:31:05am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

The movies shouldn't be made. Anything other than a whitewash of Mohammad will trigger riots and terrorism. If the movie has to be a whitewash, better it not be made at all. Tell the truth or don't speak.

I just don't see the market for it.

337 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:32:35am

re: #323 DaddyG

I'm supposed to be reviewing detailed planning documents. Is anyone else having trouble concentrating today? (I suppose the after Halloween 1/2 price chocolate bars I've been snarfing don't help.)

Here...

338 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:33:31am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

The movies shouldn't be made. Anything other than a whitewash of Mohammad will trigger riots and terrorism. If the movie has to be a whitewash, better it not be made at all. Tell the truth or don't speak.

Even rumors of disrespectful content in the film will probably set off some RoPers, somewhere.

339 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:33:32am

re: #337 The Sanity Inspector

Here...

Do those come with a dark chocolate coating? /

340 albusteve  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:34:27am

I'm out like Ernie Shavers

341 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:35:15am

It's my evening to work, so I'm off. I'd have to be, to work where I do...

342 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:35:22am

re: #338 The Sanity Inspector

Even rumors of disrespectful content in the film will probably set off some RoPers, somewhere.

Y'think? I would suspect calls for death and much seething would follow the release.

343 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:36:23am

Any plans for the Satanic Verses to be made into a movie?

344 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:36:50am

re: #343 DaddyG

Any plans for the Satanic Verses to be made into a movie?

Tempting fate this morning? LOL!

345 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:37:00am
346 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:37:28am

re: #336 MandyManners

I recall watching a PBS series about the life of Mo...this was at least a decade or more ago...and whenever they needed a depiction of The Prophet, there would be this blurry dark figure (like some fleeting, dark ghost) racing around the scene...imo it was really, really bad...

347 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:38:19am

re: #345 mikeysdca

I'm not sure that our somewhat Girl Scout standards are relevant in a place like Afghanistan, or, for that matter, a place like the real world.

...or Chicago.

348 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:38:54am

Good Morning Lizards!

I've been gone a couple of days --anything exciting happen?

AND, How are you-all?

349 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:40:25am

re: #348 ggt

fair to middlin'...yourself? (nothin' much happenin' -- probably good news?)

350 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:41:07am

re: #348 ggt

Good Morning Lizards!

I've been gone a couple of days --anything exciting happen?

AND, How are you-all?


Mornin! Doing well thank you.

351 Dreader1962  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:41:35am

re: #338 The Sanity Inspector

Even rumors of disrespectful content in the film will probably set off some RoPers, somewhere.

It did for 'The Message' and that was in the '70s - it would be worse today. That movie went out of its way to respect the tenets of Islam, but it didn't matter.

As a point of comparison, look at the response to 'The Da Vinci Code' or 'The Last Temptation of Christ' - sure there are protests, but nowhere near what occurs if Islam is the subject.

I agree that the movies shouldn't be made, but the response may be 'educational' for Hollywood.

352 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:42:56am

re: #349 J.S.

fair to middlin'...yourself? (nothin' much happenin' -- probably good news?)

Hangin' in there --enjoying a sunny morning. It was suppossed to have rained.

Thanks! for askin'.

353 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:43:50am

I bought a Dutch canned ham in response to the cartoon protests and boycotts. For the life of me I can't think of a single thing I'd want to buy to support Hollywood. I'm sure I'll think of something if this hits the fan.

354 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:43:52am

re: #351 Dreader1962

It did for 'The Message' and that was in the '70s - it would be worse today. That movie went out of its way to respect the tenets of Islam, but it didn't matter.

As a point of comparison, look at the response to 'The Da Vinci Code' or 'The Last Temptation of Christ' - sure there are protests, but nowhere near what occurs if Islam is the subject.

I agree that the movies shouldn't be made, but the response may be 'educational' for Hollywood.

The problem is that 'education' is liable to get people killed who don't deserve to die (I dislike using the term "innocent people" to refer to adults).

355 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:44:21am

I'm dissappointed over Scozzofava. Any glimmer of hope I had for the Republican Party in 2010 is now gone.

356 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:45:07am

re: #353 DaddyG

I bought a Dutch canned ham in response to the cartoon protests and boycotts. For the life of me I can't think of a single thing I'd want to buy to support Hollywood. I'm sure I'll think of something if this hits the fan.

Every time a fatwa is issued against Salman Rushdie, I buy a copy of the Satanic Verses. I've yet to read it, although I have a few copies.

357 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:45:10am

re: #355 ggt

I'm dissappointed over Scozzofava. Any glimmer of hope I had for the Republican Party in 2010 is now gone.

They do seem intent on riding that neo-confederate lemming over the cliff.

358 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:45:33am

re: #353 DaddyG

I bought a Dutch canned ham in response to the cartoon protests and boycotts. For the life of me I can't think of a single thing I'd want to buy to support Hollywood. I'm sure I'll think of something if this hits the fan.

I got a Danish pastry. :B

359 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:46:05am

re: #343 DaddyG

Any plans for the Satanic Verses to be made into a movie?

Seethapalooza!

360 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:47:44am

re: #346 J.S.

I recall watching a PBS series about the life of Mo...this was at least a decade or more ago...and whenever they needed a depiction of The Prophet, there would be this blurry dark figure (like some fleeting, dark ghost) racing around the scene...imo it was really, really bad...

Reminds me of those prison shows on MSNBC where a lot of the inmates' faces are blurred.

361 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:49:20am

I watch the previews for Little Mosque on the Prairies (a CBC production), and (I've never actually watched an episode), now they've got (lol) an Anglican minister in the series...(on one of the previews, a Muslim fears that the Anglican minister is trying to convert him -- actually looked pretty funny.)

362 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:50:46am

re: #361 J.S.

I watch the previews for Little Mosque on the Prairies (a CBC production), and (I've never actually watched an episode), now they've got (lol) an Anglican minister in the series...(on one of the previews, a Muslim fears that the Anglican minister is trying to convert him -- actually looked pretty funny.)

Don't both faiths require conversion attempts from their clergy?

363 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:51:06am

Totally OT--well it is an ocean thread.

Coincidence really. I decided to start reading some of the books I actually have. The one of the books I picked is called The White Witch of RoseHall. It is based on the Jamaican Legend of Annie Palmer --which is mostly BS and now used for marketing purposes. I had no idea of this legend.

Anyway, it was the day before Halloween that I started reading and I finished it on Halloween. The PERFECT thriller for the season. And not a bad read either.

364 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:51:21am

re: #353 DaddyG

I bought a Dutch canned ham in response to the cartoon protests and boycotts. For the life of me I can't think of a single thing I'd want to buy to support Hollywood. I'm sure I'll think of something if this hits the fan.

This is from Hollywood.

365 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:51:37am

re: #360 MandyManners

except on this one, they'd mostly show his entire figure (or his legs/feet) and it'd be all black and blurry as The Prophet scurried by...(I wonder if YouTube has any of that footage...)

366 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:52:14am

re: #364 MandyManners

This is from Hollywood.

Gulp... =8-o

367 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:52:32am

re: #362 jdog29

Don't both faiths require conversion attempts from their clergy?

All Christians are commanded to go forth and preach the Gospel.

368 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:52:53am

re: #364 MandyManners

This is from Hollywood.

There was a time in this country when THAT would have been blurrred.

369 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:53:12am

re: #365 J.S.

except on this one, they'd mostly show his entire figure (or his legs/feet) and it'd be all black and blurry as The Prophet scurried by...(I wonder if YouTube has any of that footage...)

"Scurried"? *snicker*

370 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:53:34am

re: #367 MandyManners

All Christians are commanded to go forth and preach the Gospel.

Isn't there something about "preaching" by action and deed--not necessarily words?

371 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:54:17am

re: #343 DaddyG

Any plans for the Satanic Verses to be made into a movie?

I tried reading that book when it first came out. Complete incomprehensible gibberish. I was told that you have to be a Muslim to really understand it and what makes it so offensive. I couldn't get past the first chapter. It was just a suckfest of bad writing. What a crappy way to earn a lifetime of hiding out in safe houses.

372 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:54:44am

re: #367 MandyManners

All Christians are commanded to go forth and preach the Gospel.

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:12

373 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:55:11am

re: #370 ggt

Isn't there something about "preaching" by action and deed--not necessarily words?

I take it as a kind of "all of the above" thing. But there are verses implying actions speak louder than words.

374 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #362 jdog29

Yes, I believe both religions are locked in a kind of battle -- it comes up on this program (Little Mosque on the Prairies). and the Anglican gets the short end..(in another preview the Anglican is shown reading: "The Life of Allan." and needs to be corrected, that it's "Allah", and that the final letter is an "h", not an "n." etc.)

375 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:55:30am

re: #367 MandyManners

All Christians are commanded to go forth and preach the Gospel.

What chapter and verse is that found?

376 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #370 ggt

Isn't there something about "preaching" by action and deed--not necessarily words?

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15.

377 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:56:14am

re: #372 Sharmuta

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:12

Tree Hugging is an abomination! /radical right wing young earth creationist

378 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:57:49am

re: #376 MandyManners

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15.

I thought that only applied to those actually hearing the instructions.?

379 Soundboard Fez  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:57:54am

re: #377 DaddyG

Tree Hugging is an abomination! /radical right wing young earth creationist

**making a note to myself to remind Andrew Schlafly to write liberal pro-tree verse out of new conservapedia bible**

380 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:58:34am

re: #371 Alouette

I've read what makes the book offensive (and, I don't think you'd ahve to be Muslim to understand the offensiveness...basically it involves a certain someone in a brothel, etc.)

381 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 8:59:25am
382 suchislife  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:00:02am

...

383 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:00:17am

re: #375 jdog29

What chapter and verse is that found?

Matthew 28 too...

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

384 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:00:25am

Remember this chick? Things make a lot more sense when you learn she had a head injury. Yet, I always had some admiration for her --anyone that can live in a tree for over 2 years--because of ideals--I guess is rather committed.

385 avanti  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:01:21am

re: #367 MandyManners

All Christians are commanded to go forth and preach the Gospel.

I like this quote on that issue:

So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
For me, faith is a private issue, and it's
none of my business how you practice it.

386 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:01:27am

re: #381 MikeySDCA

I used to think that Chicago was part of the real world. Doubts are seeping in. BTW, would you care to contemplate what it must have been like going through junior high school with "Hoh" on your gym shorts?

I grew up in the Chicago suburbs during the Daily-Burns-Washington struggles over the Machine. The first 15 minutes of every newscast was a mix of murders and aldermen misbehaving.

On the plus side I was very familiar with the setting of the Blues Brothers movie.

Yeah- that whole "Hoh" thing could make you bitter.

387 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:01:29am

re: #383 fat bastard vegetarian

Matthew 28 too...

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

Is there a Islamic equivalent?

388 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:01am

re: #382 suchislife

...


You are looking very elliptical today. /

389 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:13am

re: #378 jdog29

I thought that only applied to those actually hearing the instructions.?

re: #378 jdog29

I thought that only applied to those actually hearing the instructions.?

*blink*

390 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:16am

re: #384 ggt

Remember this chick? Things make a lot more sense when you learn she had a head injury. Yet, I always had some admiration for her --anyone that can live in a tree for over 2 years--because of ideals--I guess is rather committed.

Or should be. In a sane and decent society, people like her would be spending their days in art therapy and walking around the gardens on sunny days.

391 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:23am
392 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:41am

re: #380 J.S.

I've read what makes the book offensive (and, I don't think you'd ahve to be Muslim to understand the offensiveness...basically it involves a certain someone in a brothel, etc.)

So was he the pimp, or the john or was he the whore? All all three all at the same time?

393 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:42am

re: #391 MikeySDCA

Breaking: SF Bay Bridge is reopening right now.

You first.

394 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:46am

re: #381 MikeySDCA

I used to think that Chicago was part of the real world. Doubts are seeping in. BTW, would you care to contemplate what it must have been like going through junior high school with "Hoh" on your gym shorts?

First you must understand that in Chicago, people don't pay Taxes, they pay Tribute.

395 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:02:49am

This is an interesting read:

Battle over face veil brewing in Egypt

Egypt, unlike other Muslim states Saudi Arabia and Iran, does not require women to cover their heads with a scarf. But the millions of Egyptians who have lived or worked in Gulf states such as Saudi Arabia are believed to be a source for the spread of Wahhabi ideology.

Just 30 years ago, women attended Egypt's flagship Cairo University wearing miniskirts and sleeveless tops. They strolled along the beaches of Alexandria in skimpy swimsuits at a time when society was seemingly more liberal and tolerant.

Analysts say the headscarf, or hijab, was seen as a status indicator and was prevalent among lower-income classes. Women from upper and middle classes rarely veiled at a young age and those who did usually followed fashionable interpretations of hijab. The niqab was uncommon at that time.

But the niqab has become more prevalent. Women in flowing black robes are a common sight strolling through Egypt's fanciest shopping malls and five-star hotels, as well as in shanties.

Analysts say challenging the stricter interpretations of Islam could be a long journey that requires, in particular, introducing reforms on an educational system that has allowed women in niqab to teach small children.

"These decisions have to be accompanied with ideological procedures and requires challenging the ideology so there will be moderate ideology," Mustafa said.

396 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:03:04am

re: #387 jdog29

I think it's

"I KEEEL YOU!"
-Achmed, The Dead Terrorist.

397 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:03:16am

Controversial New Video of Obama’s Pastor

A new video of Jeremiah Wright has surfaced, showing Barack Obama's pastor of 20 years praising Marxism and discussing his ties to communists in El Salvador and Nicaragua and the Libyan government. Equally important, Wright is being introduced in the video by Robert W. McChesney, co-founder of Free Press, an organization which has come under scrutiny for its links to the Obama Administration and dedication to the transformation and control of the private media in the U.S.

In an article in the socialist Monthly Review, "Journalism, Democracy, and Class Struggle," McChesney declared, "Our job is to make media reform part of our broader struggle for democracy, social justice, and, dare we say it, socialism."

In the video, which captures Wright's appearance at a September 17, 2009, anniversary celebration of Monthly Review, Wright said that while the "corporate media" provide a "binary lens" of the world, in such terms as "communist versus Christian," Monthly Review offers what it calls "no-nonsense Marxism."

He added: "You dispel all the negative images we have been programmed to conjure up with just the mention of that word socialism or Marxism."

He called America "land of the greed and home of the slave."

398 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:03:44am
399 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:03:44am

re: #389 MandyManners

*blink*

... at the time the instructions were given.

400 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:04:06am

re: #390 Guanxi88

Or should be. In a sane and decent society, people like her would be spending their days in art therapy and walking around the gardens on sunny days.

Instead she gets a film starring Rachel Weisz.

401 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:04:09am

re: #393 Guanxi88

You first.

re: #398 MikeySDCA

No, you.

Like penguins on the edge of an ice floe. No one wants to go in first.

402 suchislife  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:04:12am

re: #225 Jimmah

The great thing about the Sopranos - or one of them - is that it mocks the gangsters for their stupidity, crassness etc in a way that other shows/movies don't. The hypocrisy of sociopaths trying to pass themselves off as noble soldiers honouring venerable codes is of my favourite themes in it. Tony S. keeps telling himself that they don't touch 'civilians'; yet almost every civilian whose lives they touch is ruined one way or another.

In maybe my favorite scene (first season) they also mock the viewers who glamorize mob life. IIRC, Tony gets acquainted with some of his neighbors, who are exactly the kind of white collar youngish "normal" guys who would think a thug with a gun and no scruples is cool. At first he thinks they like him, but when he realize they fetishize his mob background, he scrares the crap out of them.

403 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:04:40am

re: #384 ggt

Remember this chick? Things make a lot more sense when you learn she had a head injury. Yet, I always had some admiration for her --anyone that can live in a tree for over 2 years--because of ideals--I guess is rather committed.

Wikipedia lost me here...

Hill learned survival skills while living in Luna, such as "seldom washing the soles of her feet, because the sap helped her feet stick to the branches better."

404 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:05:18am

re: #400 laZardo

Instead she gets a film starring Rachel Weisz.

I'd sit in a tree for a couple years for Ms. Weisz there.

405 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:06:18am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

Controversial New Video of Obama’s Pastor

Robert W. McChesney, co-founder of Free Press, an organization which has come under scrutiny for its links to the Obama Administration and dedication to the transformation and control of the private media in the U.S.

I bet he and Lloyd are buddies.

406 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:06:32am
407 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:07:47am

re: #404 Guanxi88

I'd sit in a tree for a couple years for Ms. Weisz there.

Everybody loves the freak, I guess.

/ :B

408 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:07:57am

re: #399 jdog29

... at the time the instructions were given.

If so, are only those who were alive and who heard Christ speak bound to His words? What about the future?

409 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:08:03am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

Controversial New Video of Obama’s Pastor


Can we say the radicals are taking over the Democratic party yet?

410 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:08:03am

re: #401 Guanxi88

Like penguins on the edge of an ice floe. No one wants to go in first.

I changed the fuel pump in an old pontiac Grand Am once and since it is inside the fuel tank a REAL funny wave of something goes across you when turn the key in the ignition to test if there won't be an arc on a loose connection or something..."Here, honey could you start the car while I take the kids trick or treating?"

411 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:08:10am

re: #405 MandyManners

Robert W. McChesney, co-founder of Free Press, an organization which has come under scrutiny for its links to the Obama Administration and dedication to the transformation and control of the private media in the U.S.

I bet he and Lloyd are buddies.

This is interesting:

Ironically, McChesney's Free Press organization has received at least $1 million from the Open Society Institute of billionaire George Soros, a mega-capitalist who seems to have dedicated his life to overturning the system that made him wealthy.

412 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:08:18am

re: #401 Guanxi88

Like penguins on the edge of an ice floe. No one wants to go in first.

*shove*

413 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:08:19am

re: #406 MikeySDCA

Nobody ever said that Wikipedia would always make sense. If it's cuckoo, edit it.

Then watch as it gets edited back within five minutes.

414 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:08:51am

re: Satanic Verses...

I suspect most of those who were calling for Rushdie's death never even bothered to read the book, and that it was incomprehensibly dense and tough to read if you were so inclined.

415 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:09:03am

re: #409 DaddyG

Can we say the radicals are taking over the Democratic party yet?

TEAPARTYTEAPARTYTEAPARTY

416 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:09:09am

re: #392 Alouette

He uttered words which were deemed to support pagan goddesses...it was considered a rupture from his strictly monotheistic faith...(Salmon Rushdie put the scene into a dream sequence...)

417 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:09:14am
418 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:09:28am

re: #402 suchislife

In maybe my favorite scene (first season) they also mock the viewers who glamorize mob life. IIRC, Tony gets acquainted with some of his neighbors, who are exactly the kind of white collar youngish "normal" guys who would think a thug with a gun and no scruples is cool. At first he thinks they like him, but when he realize they fetishize his mob background, he scrares the crap out of them.

I met a fellow years ago who was, I believe, mobbed up to one degree or another with some of his fellow countrymen from Mother Russia. He struck me as easily one of the most dull and unethical people I'd ever met. The protection money he collected was, to his mind, identical to insurance premiums, and he sort of thought of himself as an insurance salesman without a license.

419 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:10:04am

re: #412 MandyManners

*shove*

Do not trust the "shover penguin".

420 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:10:06am

re: #406 MikeySDCA

Nobody ever said that Wikipedia would always make sense. If it's cuckoo, edit it.


What if it is Cuckoo and true?

421 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:10:11am

re: #403 DaddyG

Wikipedia lost me here...

Hill learned survival skills while living in Luna, such as "seldom washing the soles of her feet, because the sap helped her feet stick to the branches better."

Yeah, I know. I learned about her from a documentary (PBS probably) I watched years ago. I guess they filmed a lot of the time she was in the tree. I'm still affected by it --she lived in a freakin' tree for over two years--all 4 seasons, storms etc --I would have died, blown out of the tree or something.

I just can't get past that. I think she is not quite in the "here and now".

422 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:10:23am

re: #415 MandyManners

TEAPARTYTEAPARTYTEAPARTY

If they're taking over the Democrats, it's:

STARBUCKSPARTYSTARBUCKSPARTYSTARBUCKSPARTY

423 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:12:35am
424 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:12:45am

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

Ironically, McChesney's Free Press organization has received at least $1 million from the Open Society Institute of billionaire George Soros, a mega-capitalist who seems to have dedicated his life to overturning the system that made him wealthy.

FUCKING-A! I knew there was a link before I even took time to Google it.

BTW, check this out.

"Large swaths of economics are going to have to be rethought on the basis of what's happened." So said Larry Summers, President Obama's chief economic adviser, in an interview in the weeks after the markets crashed a year ago. Yet to a remarkable degree, economic thinking hasn't changed very much at all.

Now financier George Soros is announcing a $50 million effort to speed things along. This week Soros is gathering some of the leading practitioners of the market-skeptic school, who were marginalized during the era of "free-market fundamentalism," among them Nobelists Joseph Stiglitz, George Akerlof, Michael Spence, and Sir James Mirrlees. He's also creating an "Institute for New Economic Thinking" to make research grants, convene symposiums, and establish a journal, all in an effort to take back the economics profession from the champions of free-market zealotry who have dominated it for decades, and to correct the failures of decades of market deregulation. Soros hopes matching funds will bring the total endowment up to $200 million. "Economics has failed not only to predict and explain what happened but has also failed to protect society," says Robert Johnson, a former managing director at Soros Fund Management, who will direct the new institute. "That's what the crisis revealed. The paradigm has failed. There is no guidance."

425 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:13:07am

re: #408 MandyManners

If so, are only those who were alive and who heard Christ speak bound to His words? What about the future?

Good point, many instructions are sometimes considered cultural applying only to those at the time; while some demand literal interpretation for everything... except of course gouging eyes out or cutting off hands...

...with all the insanity, it's hard to believe we don't have an eye gouging sect popping up somewhere.

426 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:13:57am

re: #419 fat bastard vegetarian

Do not trust the "shover penguin".

427 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:14:32am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

Controversial New Video of Obama’s Pastor

Good catch.

428 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #425 jdog29

Good point, many instructions are sometimes considered cultural applying only to those at the time; while some demand literal interpretation for everything... except of course gouging eyes out or cutting off hands...

...with all the insanity, it's hard to believe we don't have an eye gouging sect popping up somewhere.

Better eye-popping than the Skoptsi

429 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:16:44am

re: #428 Guanxi88

Better eye-popping than the Skoptsi

just lovely

/

430 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:18:07am

Watching "Some Like It Hot". Right now, Marilyn is singing "I Wanna Be Loved By You"...

RAWR!

She sure was a full figured gal.

Wolf!

431 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:20:07am

re: #428 Guanxi88

Better eye-popping than the Skoptsi

Or watching "Un chien andalou"

/you will wince.

432 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:21:15am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

Controversial New Video of Obama’s Pastor

Glen Beck and company are going to have a field day with this one. Wright seems to pop up at the worst times for his former parishioner. This time, he'll help ensure GOP turnout in all three elections tomorrow. I predict the GOp picks up a percentage point just from people who otherwise wouldn't vote being ticked at Obama for having associated with this nutcase. The GOP should thank Rev. Wright; by being him, he swells the number of Republican voters.

433 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:21:48am

Headin' to bed 'stead of jumping thread. Nighty.

434 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:22:13am

re: #392 Alouette

So was he the pimp, or the john or was he the whore? All all three all at the same time?


As I understand it, Rushdie protrayed his wives as prostitutes, in a brothel.

435 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:22:13am

re: #432 Dark_Falcon

Glen Beck and company are going to have a field day with this one. Wright seems to pop up at the worst times for his former parishioner. This time, he'll help ensure GOP turnout in all three elections tomorrow. I predict the GOp picks up a percentage point just from people who otherwise wouldn't vote being ticked at Obama for having associated with this nutcase. The GOP should thank Rev. Wright; by being him, he swells the number of Republican voters.


How many people read AIM's site who will be voting tomorrow?

436 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:22:30am

re: #431 laZardo

Or watching "Un chien andalou"

/you will wince.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

A fascinating piece of living history.

437 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:23:29am

Hoffman wants to slash funds to NY-23's largest employer

Just a reminder -- when the good folks in New York's 23rd District go to the polls tomorrow, they may want to consider this before pulling the lever for Doug Hoffman (TB-NY):

To obtain the endorsement, and campaign cash, of the conservative Club for Growth, Mr. Hoffman signed a statement promising not to request earmarks, which the group defines as any spending requested by only one chamber of Congress or not requested by the White House. By that definition, a total of $114 million in construction at Fort Drum — including weapons training facilities, improvements at Wheeler-Sack Army Airfield and a family support center — would not have been built this decade.

That includes the $44 million in earmarks former Rep. John McHugh secured for NY-23 before he left Congress, the lion's share of the money going to Fort Drum, the largest employer in the district.

438 Jimmah  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:23:34am

Random musical interval

439 laZardo  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:24:46am

re: #436 Guanxi88

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

A fascinating piece of living history.

Wow.

Really makes you rethink the value of things.

/if you know what I mean.

//k, actually sleepin.

440 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:24:51am

re: #435 MandyManners

How many people read AIM's site who will be voting tomorrow?

I bet the video will be played on some of the cable news channels today.

441 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:26:53am

re: #440 NJDhockeyfan

I bet the video will be played on some of the cable news channels today.

[Video]

Is there anyway to keep that before it's deleted?

442 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:27:54am

re: #435 MandyManners

How many people read AIM's site who will be voting tomorrow?

Not many, but it won't stay there. I'd expect that the footage has already been sent to Foxnews (and probably to MSNBC and CNN as well). I predict that Beck and Hannity will try to work it into their programs tonight. Ill watch the late broadcast of Hannity to confirm (I won't watch Glen Beck, the Bad Craziness is just too bad there).

443 simoom  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

Controversial New Video of Obama’s Pastor

At what point will Wright no longer be "Obama's Pastor"? Ignoring Obama's officially leaving the church, breaking all ties to Wright and outright repudiating him during the election, as a DC Senator, I'd imagine he already had a more local church where he spent most of his Sundays.

So how long will it be before RW activists no longer follow Wright's every word with bated breath, surreptitiously tape record any sermons he gives and make off with church bulletins to look for some bit of slime to extract and smear onto the President. Another year? Seven? A lifetime?

444 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:31:24am

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

Not many, but it won't stay there. I'd expect that the footage has already been sent to Foxnews (and probably to MSNBC and CNN as well). I predict that Beck and Hannity will try to work it into their programs tonight. Ill watch the late broadcast of Hannity to confirm (I won't watch Glen Beck, the Bad Craziness is just too bad there).

Same here but, I don't even watch Hannity.

I doubt CNN or MSNBC will show it.

445 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:31:57am

re: #443 simoom

At what point will Wright no longer be "Obama's Pastor"? Ignoring Obama's officially leaving the church, breaking all ties to Wright and outright repudiating him during the election, as a DC Senator, I'd imagine he already had a more local church where he spent most of his Sundays.

So how long will it be before RW activists no longer follow Wright's every word with bated breath, surreptitiously tape record any sermons he gives and make off with church bulletins to look for some bit of slime to extract and smear onto the President. Another year? Seven? A lifetime?

Since Obama spent 20 years in his church and defended him at first when the controversial videos hit the news he might never shake the association with Wright no matter how far he distances himself.

446 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:32:54am

re: #443 simoom

At what point will Wright no longer be "Obama's Pastor"? Ignoring Obama's officially leaving the church, breaking all ties to Wright and outright repudiating him during the election, as a DC Senator, I'd imagine he already had a more local church where he spent most of his Sundays.

So how long will it be before RW activists no longer follow Wright's every word with bated breath, surreptitiously tape record any sermons he gives and make off with church bulletins to look for some bit of slime to extract and smear onto the President. Another year? Seven? A lifetime?

Do you have a link to BHO doing that while he was a senator but before the shit hit the fan during his presidential campaign?

447 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:33:05am

Have a great day all!

448 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:33:20am

re: #441 MandyManners

Is there anyway to keep that before it's deleted?

There is Youtube video capturing software online. I don't have it but I've seen it online.

449 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

There is Youtube video capturing software online. I don't have it but I've seen it online.

Sounds like it's above my pay-grade.

450 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:37:33am

re: #444 MandyManners

Same here but, I don't even watch Hannity.

I doubt CNN or MSNBC will show it.

I don't think those networks will show the footage either, but it will be sent to them. I'll let you know tonight.

451 simoom  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:39:24am

re: #446 MandyManners

re: #443 simoom

At what point will Wright no longer be "Obama's Pastor"? Ignoring Obama's officially leaving the church, breaking all ties to Wright and outright repudiating him during the election, as a DC Senator, I'd imagine he already had a more local church where he spent most of his Sundays.

Do you have a link to BHO doing that while he was a senator but before the shit hit the fan during his presidential campaign?

No, I only stipulated, with certainty, that he officially left the church and broke ties with/repudiated Wright "during the election".

452 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:41:47am

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

I don't think those networks will show the footage either, but it will be sent to them. I'll let you know tonight.

Thanks!

453 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:42:11am

re: #451 simoom

No, I only stipulated, with certainty, that he officially left the church and broke ties with/repudiated Wright "during the election".

I didn't think you had that link.

454 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:44:44am

AGW-I've lost my skepticism about it only to find myself quite concerned about the proposed solutions... Her's why for one example...

[Link: www.sciencemag.org...]

Use of U.S. Croplands for Biofuels Increases Greenhouse Gases Through Emissions from Land-Use Change
Timothy Searchinger,1* Ralph Heimlich,2 R. A. Houghton,3 Fengxia Dong,4 Amani Elobeid,4 Jacinto Fabiosa,4 Simla Tokgoz,4 Dermot Hayes,4 Tun-Hsiang Yu4

Most prior studies have found that substituting biofuels for gasoline will reduce greenhouse gases because biofuels sequester carbon through the growth of the feedstock. These analyses have failed to count the carbon emissions that occur as farmers worldwide respond to higher prices and convert forest and grassland to new cropland to replace the grain (or cropland) diverted to biofuels. By using a worldwide agricultural model to estimate emissions from land-use change, we found that corn-based ethanol, instead of producing a 20% savings, nearly doubles greenhouse emissions over 30 years and increases greenhouse gases for 167 years. Biofuels from switchgrass, if grown on U.S. corn lands, increase emissions by 50%. This result raises concerns about large biofuel mandates and highlights the value of using waste products.

455 simoom  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:50:15am

re: #453 MandyManners

I didn't think you had that link.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you seem to be implying I made a claim that I couldn't back up with evidence. I never posted anything about Obama having repudiated Wright prior to the election.

456 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:51:01am

re: #449 MandyManners

Sounds like it's above my pay-grade.

sounds like it's above my brain grade. :-D

457 Bagua  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:51:06am

re: #405 MandyManners


He [Rev. Wright] called America "land of the greed and home of the slave."

A professor at the University of Illinois, where Bill Ayers is also employed, McChesney was an editor of Monthly Review but now serves as a contributor to the publication and a director of the Monthly Review Foundation

Ironically, McChesney's Free Press organization has received at least $1 million from the Open Society Institute of billionaire George Soros,

Amazing how Soros has his hand in everything.

458 suchislife  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:51:27am

re: #451 simoom

I don't really remember there being controversial quotes before that except for the 'God damn America' thing and some conspiracy stuff about HIV (I remember the church was very active about HIV outreach as well as other social issues). After the national spot light found him, Wright dug in and made things worse, and that's when Obama cut him loose, I think. (I always hated that 'throw under the bus' meme, which is combined with constant cries to repudiate people).
I liked that Obama had the audacity to react to this potential scandal by actually acknowledging that his allegiance to this church as well as the fervor behind the push back had to do with race. That impressed me to no end. It was the opposite of 'playing the race card'.
I do think, on the other hand, that their 20 year close allegiance makes bringing Wright up not something I would respect or condone, but certainly something I would expect as politics as usual. That's how it's done.

459 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:52:23am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

Controversial New Video of Obama’s Pastor

This was posted by Cliff Kincade - a birther.

460 suchislife  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:53:51am

re: #455 simoom

I read that as saying, "yes, but here's what he would have needed to do". I don't agree with that, btw, look at how they link him to Ayers, and always will. For nothing at all.

461 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:54:47am

re: #434 J.S.

As I understand it, Rushdie protrayed his wives as prostitutes, in a brothel.

Basically, that's what they were, with only one customer.

462 jdog29  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 9:54:48am

re: #459 Stanley Sea

This was posted by Cliff Kincade - a birther.

Yeah, but David Axelrod leaked it to him. ///

463 simoom  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 10:01:57am

re: #458 suchislife

I do think, on the other hand, that their 20 year close allegiance makes bringing Wright up not something I would respect or condone, but certainly something I would expect as politics as usual. That's how it's done.

I agree about the political realities of the situation. I was mainly objecting to the characterization of Wright as Obama's pastor and, by implication, that Obama will be responsible for every future outrage he provokes.

If I have a good friend who does something I find despicable, and I go so far as to publicly say that what he did was wrong and I can no longer be his friend, and then I proceed to avoid him from that point on, I would definitely object to anyone characterizing him as "simoom's friend" years later. Maybe "simoom's former friend", but even then I'd be wondering exactly what their point was.

464 suchislife  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 10:05:31am

re: #463 simoom

Couldn't agree more. Which is why I would not respect someone making such a claim as a good faith commenter. But I would certainly accept it as hard partisan politics, and that's fine by me.

465 J.S.  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 12:31:32pm

re: #449 MandyManners

There is Youtube video capturing software online. I don't have it but I've seen it online.

There are quite a few "streaming video" capture programs available. I use a free toolbar (which can capture YouTube videos, download them to your computer.) the toolbar (a while ago) was called "FreeCorder" (?) from Applian Software..the updated toolbar is now called "Ask & Record" toolbar (and that again, can capture streaming video and audio, save it to your hard drive -- all for free). So, if you wanted a copy of say, "Rahm Emanuel - the Musical" from YouTube, you could download it...(there's also that MIT website which is a repository of pulled Youtube videos.)

466 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:58:37pm

ok. i'm in a mood tonight.
'
going to get me in all sorts of trouble.

Will head off ti'll i cool my heels.

467 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 4:43:51pm

re: #466 wozzablog

yeah. that really didn't work.

468 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:14:16pm

re: #459 Stanley Sea

This was posted by Cliff Kincade - a birther.

So? Does that negate what Wright said?


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