Tuesday Night Open
The wonkiest of all elections are now under way, off-season special elections and the like, but if you’re wonky enough to be following them, here’s an open thread for that purpose or any other…
The wonkiest of all elections are now under way, off-season special elections and the like, but if you’re wonky enough to be following them, here’s an open thread for that purpose or any other…
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:51:52pm |
Looks like the GOP is scoring the trifecta in Virginia.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:53:41pm |
And be sure to appreciate my restraint in not violating the last clause of the Third Commenting Directive, above. It's been quite a while since I've been in this coveted position.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:54:47pm |
re: #2 The Sanity Inspector
And be sure to appreciate my restraint in not violating the last clause of the Third Commenting Directive, above. It's been quite a while since I've been in this coveted position.
/what position is that?
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Gitarzan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:55:38pm |
re: #2 The Sanity Inspector
And be sure to appreciate my restraint in not violating the last clause of the Third Commenting Directive, above. It's been quite a while since I've been in this coveted position.
I'll say it for you...congratulations on being first in the thread!
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Sharmuta Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:56:49pm |
I posted this in a spinoff, but it's perfect for an open election night thread:
The GOP should dump the neocons
Limited-government conservatives have been undermined by big-government neoconservatives.
The founders envisioned a federal government constitutionally limited to defending our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For that to happen, we must have at least one political party that strongly advocates limiting the power of government. For much of the 19th century, that party was the Democrats. For the early part of the 20th century and from the early 1960s through 1988, that party was the Republicans.
Today, it is difficult to find noninterventionists in either party.
The Democrats demonstrate a disdain for capitalism, free trade and the validity of contracts. They cheer the restriction of certain types of speech on campus and in federal law, and think nation-building is our moral obligation, even when there is no discernible U.S. interest involved. Lately, the Democrats have been popularly associated with principled opposition to waging war in far-flung corners of the globe. But evidence on the ground today tells a somewhat different tale.
As for the GOP, it has outwardly abandoned the limited-government principles of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Little other evidence is needed than the Medicare prescription drug benefit -- with its $13-trillion unfunded liability -- passed with a strong-arm campaign by the Bush White House and a Republican congressional majority.
What happened to the Republicans? Well, the two Bush presidencies didn't help. Neither did the supply-side movement, focused on tax cuts and economic growth. Supporters of those ideas didn't talk about spending cuts, much less the proper role of government. They had the effect of replacing "liberty" as the motivating force behind the GOP with "growth," a somewhat less-inspiring ideal.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:57:41pm |
early results Corzine may go away... early results.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:58:18pm |
Repost
Tonight on NOVA: Becoming Human Pt. 1
Part 1 of 3. The evolutionary arc of humans is explored, beginning with what may have led to the split from the apes. The documentary details the discovery of Selam, a nearly complete child fossil.
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sergeant major Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:58:46pm |
This just in... Christopher Robin wins the Governors race over Tiger for the Hundred Acre Wood
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Racer X Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:59:01pm |
Americans are not as crazy as it seems. We all want a good job and a nice place to live with cool stuff. We want to feel safe from the crackheads down the block AND the assholes overseas.
We want the government use our taxes wisely - we worked hard for our paycheck - spend it on essential stuff only dammit!
Its all good.
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:59:24pm |
re: #5 Sharmuta
All I'm looking for is a rational party that stands for fical conservatism, limited government, and lower taxes.
Where can I find such a party because I don't want it to come loaded down with conspiracy theorist like Glenn Beck or wacky theocrats.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:59:45pm |
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:59:47pm |
re: #5 Sharmuta
I posted this in a spinoff, but it's perfect for an open election night thread:
The GOP should dump the neocons
Limited-government conservatives have been undermined by big-government neoconservatives.
Agreed with dumping big government conservatives--Bush Jr is one of them.
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Conservative Moonbat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 5:59:59pm |
You can track Maine election results here.
So far things are looking pretty good for prop 1.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:00:35pm |
re: #8 sergeant major
Nooo. Tiger HAS to win!
LOL!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:00:46pm |
Did anyone notice yet that the link hover color has gone green? It was blue-green for many years, but is now a tangy lime-green.
And the retweet button has moved to the upper right of the post area.
And yes, I'm still playing with ad placement and frequency. Opinions welcome...
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:01:08pm |
re: #8 sergeant major
This just in... Christopher Robin wins the Governors race over Tiger for the Hundred Acre Wood
Breaking News: Tigger claims Christopher Robin and his minions of ACORN workers stole the election; sends piglet and an army of lawyers to recount all ballots.
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:02:19pm |
re: #17 Jetpilot1101
Breaking News: Tigger claims Christopher Robin and his minions of ACORN workers stole the election; sends piglet and an army of lawyers to recount all ballots.
Don't forget the absentee military ballots. Those must be hidden in a trunk.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:02:45pm |
re: #16 Charles
I noticed the retweet button had moved. I do like the tangy lime green color, now that you point it out! You have the best looking & equipped site that I know of! Including that check spelling button!
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Conservative Moonbat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:02:51pm |
re: #17 Jetpilot1101
Breaking News: Tigger claims Christopher Robin and his minions of ACORN workers stole the election; sends piglet and an army of lawyers to recount all ballots.
Eeyore wants Obama to fail.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:03:29pm |
Christie - Corzine still too close to call.
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:03:49pm |
re: #21 Conservative Moonbat
Eeyore wants Obama to fail.
That's only because he bailed out "big honey" and helped Pooh and his union cronies.
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:04:01pm |
re: #9 Racer X
Not me, I want all the free stuff the government will give me.///
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avanti Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:04:03pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:04:38pm |
re: #16 Charles
And yes, I'm still playing with ad placement and frequency. Opinions welcome...
I think hot pastrami sandwiches are awesome, but that's just my opinion.
/sorry
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:04:44pm |
Spending in NY23:
National Republican Trust PAC $93,322.50
National Organization for Marriage $112,736.75
SEIU COPE $16,625.00
1199 SEIU $341,366.57
DCCC $1,111,136.24
Minuteman PAC INC $11,750.00
Life and Liberty PAC INC $84,106.91
Declaration Alliance PAC $13,633.93
Susan B. Anthony List $91,422.80
Gun Owners of America PAC $8,490.00
Family Research Council PAC $1,978.00
(VOTE/COPE) OF NYSUT $48,250.00
Club For Growth $236,513.65
Club For Growth PAC* $408,762*
NRCC $897,404.11
AFSCME P E O P L E $199,850.00
Campaign for Working Families $25,000.00
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:04:52pm |
re: #8 sergeant major
This just in... Christopher Robin wins the Governors race over Tiger for the Hundred Acre Wood
Oh, goody, a chance to post this again.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:05:48pm |
re: #16 Charles
Did anyone notice yet that the link hover color has gone green? It was blue-green for many years, but is now a tangy lime-green.
And the retweet button has moved to the upper right of the post area.
And yes, I'm still playing with ad placement and frequency. Opinions welcome...
I love limes.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:05:57pm |
re: #28 Thanos
Spending in NY23:
National Republican Trust PAC $93,322.50
National Organization for Marriage $112,736.75
SEIU COPE $16,625.00
1199 SEIU $341,366.57
DCCC $1,111,136.24
Minuteman PAC INC $11,750.00
Life and Liberty PAC INC $84,106.91
Declaration Alliance PAC $13,633.93
Susan B. Anthony List $91,422.80
Gun Owners of America PAC $8,490.00
Family Research Council PAC $1,978.00
(VOTE/COPE) OF NYSUT $48,250.00
Club For Growth $236,513.65
Club For Growth PAC* $408,762*
NRCC $897,404.11
AFSCME P E O P L E $199,850.00
Campaign for Working Families $25,000.00
I need to run for something...
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:06:22pm |
re: #28 Thanos
Didn't Hoffman get some money from SarahPAC?
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:06:31pm |
re: #30 MandyManners
I love limes.
Especially when they come in margaritas, rum and cokes, or gin and tonics.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:06:35pm |
re: #25 soxfan4life
Not me, I want all the free stuff the government will give me.///
F-R-E-E that spells Free
Obama's goverment's gonna give ME mo-ney!
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solomonpanting Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:06:49pm |
Millions worldwide would like to switch countries:
The most popular destination was the United States, where nearly a quarter of the 700 million -- around 165 million people -- said they would like to settle.
Please take a number.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:07:03pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:07:36pm |
re: #37 MandyManners
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Or, Delaware County Community College.
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Sharmuta Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:07:51pm |
And I'll repost this news:
Club For Growth Spent $1 Million in NY-23. Is This a Bad Omen for the GOP in 2010?
The Atlantic’s Chris Good has an interesting breakdown on who spent what on New York’s hotly-contested 23rd congressional district race. The big news: The Club for Growth spent more than $1 million in support of Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. That’s slightly less than the $1.1 million the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chipped in behalf of Democrat Bill Owens. Meanwhile, the National Republican Congressional Committee spent roughly $897,000—most of that money spent on ads directly challenging Owens, as opposed to building up Dede Scozzafava, a moderate Republican who dropped out of the race over the weekend.
The Club for Growth are the main supporters of the RINO hunting.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:08:13pm |
re: #37 MandyManners
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Wow..somewhat heavily invested were they?
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:08:20pm |
re: #37 MandyManners
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Just like Democrats, all that spending and damn little to show for it.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:08:40pm |
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Conservative Moonbat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:09:16pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
Drunken Congressmen cry constantly.
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Sergeant Major Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:09:39pm |
re: #23 Jetpilot1101
Rumor has it that Piglet has secretly enlisted Katherine Harris to recount votes.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:10:21pm |
re: #39 Sharmuta
And I'll repost this news:
Club For Growth Spent $1 Million in NY-23. Is This a Bad Omen for the GOP in 2010?
The Club for Growth are the main supporters of the RINO hunting.
They spent is so the Repubs didn't? Interesting how the money came in. The Democrat party plus unions on one side versus pretty much just the club for growth.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:10:22pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:11:02pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:11:05pm |
re: #44 Sergeant Major
Rumor has it that Piglet has secretly enlisted Katherine Harris to recount votes.
I heard Christopher Robin is associated with a suspected maoist Bear that makes Glenn Beck cry.
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:11:08pm |
re: #32 BryanS
I think Dem Congressional Campaign Committee? Just a guess
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:11:21pm |
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Idle Drifter Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:11:25pm |
Listening to the Wings/Bruins game. Politics has been too much of a headache lately.
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Conservative Moonbat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:12:05pm |
Looks like Maine might get medical marijuana
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:12:35pm |
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:12:46pm |
re: #16 Charles
Opinions welcome...
The hover color sort of clashes with the grey background...
The advertising bubbles are looking better, much cleaner.
The retweet button location makes sense.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:12:53pm |
I'm still not convinced that the Republican leadership can come back to the principles of conservatism, but I'm willing to listen, for now. I'm hoping for a return to small government and fiscal responsibility, but then I believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the essential goodness of human nature, too.
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lawhawk Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:13:19pm |
Election night is upon us. NY's polls just closed a few minutes ago and the votes are starting to come in from NJ, where polls were closed at 8pm.
VA looks like they're electing the GOPer for governor. NJ has Christie ahead but Hudson, Bergen, Passaic, and Essex counties have yet to report in serious numbers, so that early advantage is likely to evaporate. It is way too close to call at the moment.
It will probably be closer to 10pm EST when NY-23 results start coming in.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:13:39pm |
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:13:42pm |
If you look at that list, it's almost the entire SOCON pac spectrum, they are buying this election. The outspent them Dems by a lot if you add in the RNC etc PACs
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Idle Drifter Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:13:51pm |
re: #49 Sharmuta
It was the influx of Heffalumps that threw the election in Christopher Robin's favor many of whom are illegal aliens within the 100 Acre Woods.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:13:52pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:14:21pm |
re: #56 Odahi
I'm still not convinced that the Republican leadership can come back to the principles of conservatism, but I'm willing to listen, for now. I'm hoping for a return to small government and fiscal responsibility, but then I believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the essential goodness of human nature, too.
What about the Tooth Fairy?
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:14:50pm |
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:14:55pm |
re: #59 Thanos
If you look at that list, it's almost the entire SOCON pac spectrum, they are buying this election. The outspent them Dems by a lot if you add in the RNC etc PACs
Yeah--interesting how little actually comes from the Republican party.
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Idle Drifter Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:14:57pm |
re: #61 MandyManners
That comment is made of win.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:15:06pm |
re: #49 Sharmuta
I heard Christopher Robin is associated with a suspected maoist Bear that makes Glenn Beck cry.
That's just a smokescreen. Alex Jones scooped everyone with his bombshell. He revealed that Owl seeming useless collection of data was just a cover for a sekrit spy program. Owl is making the list of which residents of the Hundred Acre Wood will be sent to the internment camps!
///
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:15:06pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:15:20pm |
re: #47 MandyManners
Or, Dick Clark Cooking Contest.
That's just wrong. Who in their right mind would want to cook Dick Clark, much less make a contest out of it. I bet he isn't even that tasty.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:15:36pm |
re: #62 MandyManners
What about the Tooth Fairy?
Mr Deeds? He lost :) Ohh, you weren't watching Red Dragon.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:15:45pm |
re: #62 MandyManners
What about the Tooth Fairy?
I don't know... is dental coverd in the health care bill?
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:16:28pm |
Great Pumpkin pie! With whipped cream. Or lemon meringue. I like pie.
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:16:30pm |
re: #71 brookly red
I don't know... is dental coverd in the health care bill?
Obama will be pushing that in 2012 to get the trailerpark vote.
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countrockulot Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:16:47pm |
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:17:38pm |
I think he should be able to get married anywhere he wants.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:17:57pm |
re: #73 soxfan4life
Obama will be pushing that in 2012 to get the trailerpark vote.
/ fema camp vote
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:18:01pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
That's just a smokescreen. Alex Jones scooped everyone with his bombshell. He revealed that Owl seeming useless collection of data was just a cover for a sekrit spy program. Owl is making the list of which residents of the Hundred Acre Wood will be sent to the internment camps!
///
BREAKING NEWS: Orly Taitz just filed a lawsuit claiming that Christopher Robin isnt even a resident of the hundred acre wood. She has proof that he was in fact born in never never land.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:18:04pm |
re: #61 MandyManners
Delicious Cannibal Cooking Contest.
I think Mandy is hungry. Someone please feed her something. NOW!
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simoom Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:18:09pm |
Here's a goofy little distraction while we await the results:
NYT: What One Word Best Describes How You Feel a Year After President Obama's Election?
The words folks selected scroll across the page. You can filter by Republican submissions, Democrats submissions or show both. The size of the word corresponds to how frequently it was submitted.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:18:44pm |
re: #59 Thanos
If you look at that list, it's almost the entire SOCON pac spectrum, they are buying this election. The outspent them Dems by a lot if you add in the RNC etc PACs
Just four Democrat groups gave $1.6 milion.
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:18:55pm |
re: #46 BryanS
They spent is so the Repubs didn't? Interesting how the money came in. The Democrat party plus unions on one side versus pretty much just the club for growth.
The RCCC threw in around $850 K.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:19:44pm |
re: #72 Odahi
Great Pumpkin pie! With whipped cream. Or lemon meringue. I like pie.
YOU KILLED THE GREAT PUMPKIN?
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:20:32pm |
re: #85 MandyManners
It was the Sta-pufft marshmallow man, he did it.
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:21:08pm |
re: #82 MandyManners
Just four Democrat groups gave $1.6 milion.
The total spent was 4.5 million, the dems were way outspent.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:21:14pm |
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:21:37pm |
re: #83 austin_blue
Yeah...missed that. Following too many sites :) That's a bit more balanced. It is still interesting to see the obvious big special interest money from each side--unions versus fundies pretty much.
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Sharmuta Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:21:42pm |
re: #79 simoom
Here's a goofy little distraction while we await the results:
NYT: What One Word Best Describes How You Feel a Year After President Obama's Election?
The words folks selected scroll across the page. You can filter by Republican submissions, Democrats submissions or show both. The size of the word corresponds to how frequently it was submitted.
Interesting how different the words are when red vs blue.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:21:53pm |
re: #86 soxfan4life
It was the Sta-pufft marshmallow man, he did it.
Remember not to cross the streams.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:22:38pm |
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solomonpanting Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:22:55pm |
re: #74 countrockulot
What about the Tooth Fairy?
He may be able to get married in Maine soon.
Without equal rights the Tooth Fairy would be nothing more than an indentured servant.
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sagehen Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:23:07pm |
re: #8 sergeant major
This just in... Christopher Robin wins the Governors race over Tiger for the Hundred Acre Wood
Four legs good! Two legs better!!
(and just for the record, I think the Robin campaign's sleazy tactics cheapened the discourse. I don't for one minute believe they had no connection or coordination with the "independent" group that compared Tigger to a meth addict.)
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lawhawk Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:23:35pm |
Five reasons the NY-23 results don't matter (in the way that the pundits keep saying that it will), and some of the reasons are ones I've been saying for a while.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:23:39pm |
re: #82 MandyManners
Just four Democrat groups gave $1.6 milion.
Add in $137,000.00 from Susan B. Anthony List and VOTE COPE.
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Idle Drifter Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:23:53pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:25:13pm |
re: #100 Sharmuta
If you tell me you had a delicious, hot pastrami sandwich for dinner tonight, I am going to insist on a DNA test. We may well just be twins separated at birth or something.
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keithgabryelski Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:26:37pm |
I voted for the Phillies over the Yankees.
Vote counting will be finished in the next couple of days.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:27:19pm |
re: #99 lawhawk
The results may not matter as much as the process. In this case, large vested outside ideological groups pouring large amounts of money into an off-election, centered around a candidate who doesn't even live in the district.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:28:35pm |
re: #105 freetoken
The results may not matter as much as the process. In this case, large vested outside ideological groups pouring large amounts of money into an off-election, centered around a candidate who doesn't even live in the district.
the moon is full & we agree...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:29:48pm |
Hooray for hippies...
Cob House Built For Less Than $3,000
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:30:03pm |
Evening folks. I see the Democrats lost all three Virginia races. NJ & NY-23 next. I heard today that a California race may be closer than they originally thought. Any more interesting races going on?
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:30:34pm |
Looking at the NJ returns on the map at Politico.com, so far they have called two counties, one going (D) the other going (R).
However, compared to the 2005 results, the counties switched parties!
Strange. Perhaps a sign of a very, very close race?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:30:41pm |
re: #105 freetoken
The results may not matter as much as the process. In this case, large vested outside ideological groups pouring large amounts of money into an off-election, centered around a candidate who doesn't even live in the district.
My memory is a bit fuzzy. Didn't some people (pundits) make a gawt-awful stink about that sort of thing when H.R. Clinton ran for a senator's seat in N.Y.?
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:30:49pm |
Here to check on election returns with a glass of lemonade and a Peanut butter cookie!
Mom made cookies for a Senior Citizens gathering tomorrow, one is broken. I didn't want momma to be embarrassed, nor did I want the Seniors to see anything but perfect cookies.
I am a good son *chomp*
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Conservative Moonbat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:31:06pm |
re: #108 NJDhockeyfan
Look like Maine is going to get gay marriage and medical marijuana.
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Big Steve Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:31:07pm |
Does anyone know the origin of the term "wonk" and how it got to be applied to political junkies?
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:31:48pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Hooray for hippies...
Cob House Built For Less Than $3,000
property tax $6,800...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:31:53pm |
re: #113 Big Steve
Does anyone know the origin of the term "wonk" and how it got to be applied to political junkies?
Typo of wank?
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:31:56pm |
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
My memory is a bit fuzzy. Didn't some people (pundits) make a gawt-awful stink about that sort of thing when H.R. Clinton ran for a senator's seat in N.Y.?
It's a New York thing, Bobby Kennedy's "home" was a hotel suite.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:32:05pm |
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
Yes... and I thought it wrong for Mrs. Clinton to do the reverse-carpet-bagging... just like I think Hoffman is out to destroy traditional American polity.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:32:12pm |
re: #25 soxfan4life
Not me, I want all the free stuff the government will give me.///
Just keep the checks coming til I'm dead, then posterity can go hang.
/EU voter
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baier Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:32:21pm |
re: #16 Charles
And yes, I'm still playing with ad placement and frequency. Opinions welcome...
You place your ads very subtly within the content, but seem prominent enough to get clicks. I've clicked, and it seems you have some behaviors going on too. My wife was looking at white rugs on overstock, and there on LGF was a ad for white rugs on overstock. I don't feel like they distract from the LGF 'brand' you've built.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:32:31pm |
re: #114 brookly red
Penalties for violating building codes: Priceless.
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:33:25pm |
re: #113 Big Steve
Does anyone know the origin of the term "wonk" and how it got to be applied to political junkies?
[Link: www.etymonline.com...]
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:33:38pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
Typo of wank?
"overly studious person," 1954, Amer.Eng. student slang, popularized 1993 during Clinton administration in U.S.; perhaps a shortening of Brit. slang wonky "shaky, unreliable" (1919), which perhaps is from Ger. wankel- or from from surviving dialectal words based on O.E. wancol "shaky, tottering" (see wench). Or perhaps a variant of Brit. slang wanker "masturbator." It was earlier British naval slang for "midshipman" (1929).
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:34:35pm |
I heard Sean Hannity on the radio today say exit polls were showing Hoffman had NY-23 all wrapped up. That should make it so right.///
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:34:42pm |
"Wonk" may also come from "know" spelled backwards. Maybe some of all of them.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:35:08pm |
re: #121 Thanos
[Link: www.etymonline.com...]
Heh. Funny we came up with the same link at the same time. Jinx.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:35:41pm |
Twitter is saying Democrat Lorenzo Langford has been re-elected as Mayor of Atlantic City, New Jersey.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:35:54pm |
re: #117 freetoken
I'm with you, and at least you are consistent. I think some folks my be suffering from selective outrage, though. Not any one here in particular, but folks (and pundits/politicians) at large, in general.
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Conservative Moonbat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:36:36pm |
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:36:40pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:38:27pm |
re: #129 Conservative Moonbat
The Chamber has put forward an olive branch. Let's see if the Dems are willing to take it or if they just decide "no changes, it must be all our way).
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webevintage Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:38:49pm |
re: #112 Conservative Moonbat
Look like Maine is going to get gay marriage and medical marijuana.
Oh, to not live in the red South...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:39:04pm |
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:39:07pm |
re: #130 Thanos
Maybe :)
I've got it in my sidebar links at my site.
I did a quick google search for wonk and etymology.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:39:09pm |
re: #36 solomonpanting
Millions worldwide would like to switch countries:
Please take a number.
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
My memory is a bit fuzzy. Didn't some people (pundits) make a gawt-awful stink about that sort of thing when H.R. Clinton ran for a senator's seat in N.Y.?
Yes, and also when Bobby Kennedy did the same thing in '64. "Carpetbagger", they were called.
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:39:44pm |
re: #129 Conservative Moonbat
That could also be referred to a "Chamber of Commerce Agrees to Accept Reality".
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:39:56pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Hooray for hippies...
Cob House Built For Less Than $3,000
I don't see any hippies - just a very motivated young man willing to invest a year or so designing and building his own house for some people's yearly bar tab.
I don't see any Jews or Blacks or Marxist-Inspired Freedom Riders in the picture as well.
Do we get to throw stones at the 'hippies' (as if this were nineteen fucking sixty-nine in Alabama or something) and not the others? Hardly seems fair.
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:39:59pm |
If corzine bites it I'm going to be such a happy camper.
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simoom Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:39:59pm |
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sagehen Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:40:21pm |
re: #105 freetoken
The results may not matter as much as the process. In this case, large vested outside ideological groups pouring large amounts of money into an off-election, centered around a candidate who doesn't even live in the district.
Living out of the district is a semi-unfair call -- he's lived in that house forever, and the district boundaries moved during the last redistricting. He's only a few miles over the line.
Not caring about "parochial" local issues is a more serious charge.
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captdiggs Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:40:24pm |
re: #1 The Sanity Inspector
Looks like the GOP is scoring the trifecta in Virginia.
A landslide for McDonnell...20 points.
Far higher than any of the pre-election polls.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:40:31pm |
Democrat Dawn Zimmer has been elected the first female mayor of Hoboken, New Jersey with about 44 percent of the vote. Interim Mayor, first female mayor of Hoboken
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:40:45pm |
Bloomberg won a third term as mayor of Gotham City...
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:40:45pm |
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:40:48pm |
re: #129 Conservative Moonbat
That's not really a cave. Before the Yes man hoax they had similar statements up at their site. They are still against Cap and Trade bill as envisioned by Waxman.
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:41:49pm |
Larry King has Jesse Ventura on. I didn't realize they were both still alive.
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:42:01pm |
re: #135 BryanS
Etymology almost always gets you the OED site, it's good to bookmark
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:42:07pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:42:19pm |
re: #147 RogueOne
Larry King has Jesse Ventura on. I didn't realize they were both still alive.
Jesse doesn't have time to die.
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Conservative Moonbat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:42:20pm |
re: #146 Thanos
That's not really a cave. Before the Yes man hoax they had similar statements up at their site. They are still against Cap and Trade bill as envisioned by Waxman.
The current stance is better than flat-out denialism.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:42:22pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Hooray for hippies...
Cob House Built For Less Than $3,000
Before I'd let my family live in that thing, I'd give 'em all allergy shots first. Sheetrock was invented for a reason, you know.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:42:28pm |
re: #146 Thanos
I suspect they are actually against doinh anything wrt AGW, but with all the bad press they have gotten by the likes of Apple, Nike, and various utility groups pulling out of the organization they probably felt they had to put on a new face.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:43:05pm |
re: #144 Charles
Bloomberg won a third term as mayor of Gotham City...
I was mad about the term limits thing, but have gotten over it.
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:43:13pm |
re: #146 Thanos
That's not really a cave. Before the Yes man hoax they had similar statements up at their site. They are still against Cap and Trade bill as envisioned by Waxman.
As we all should be, it's nothing but a job killing government money grab. Climate change is a real thing, now we need a real solution.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:44:01pm |
re: #140 simoom
Damn it! You only get one chance to type something in there. I should have typed "Itchy". Or maybe "grape". Bummer.
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:44:15pm |
re: #147 RogueOne
Larry King has Jesse Ventura on. I didn't realize they were both still alive.
The jury is still out on Larry. Like Keith Richards, his brain may have not kept up with his corpse.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:44:16pm |
CNN is saying Michael Steele flying to NJ.
MTV is saying Michael Jackson is still dead.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:44:27pm |
Well, Politico just made a liar out of me... they change one of their NJ county colors from blue to red...
It's beginning to look like the GOP might take the governorship of NJ. Can't say I'd be surprised, being how notorious Corzine has become.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:44:35pm |
re: #147 RogueOne
Larry King has Jesse Ventura on. I didn't realize they were both still alive.
How can you tell?
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:45:02pm |
re: #151 Conservative Moonbat
The current stance is better than flat-out denialism.
They were never at flat out denialism, they've always called for congress to act on climate change. Anyone portraying them as deniers is flatly wrong.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:45:25pm |
re: #144 Charles
Bloomberg won a third term as mayor of Gotham City...
He paid enough for it. I heard it was something like $100 million of his own money.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:45:45pm |
re: #138 ryannon
Do we get to throw stones at the 'hippies' (as if this were nineteen fucking sixty-nine in Alabama or something) and not the others?
No, we do not get to throw stones at the 'hippies', only clay. Duh!
/
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WinterCat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:45:51pm |
Corzine was exceptionally disgusting with his thinly veiled digs about Christie's weight. I hope Corzine loses big time.
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:45:54pm |
re: #152 The Sanity Inspector
Before I'd let my family live in that thing, I'd give 'em all allergy shots first. Sheetrock was invented for a reason, you know.
So the Chinese could poison us with it?
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Sergeant Major Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:46:36pm |
re: #160 MandyManners
They look like an older version of TWINS (Danny Devito/Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:46:51pm |
re: #164 WinterCat
Corzine was exceptionally disgusting with his thinly veiled digs about Christie's weight. I hope Corzine loses big time.
Quite Concur.
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:47:01pm |
re: #153 freetoken
I suspect they are actually against doinh anything wrt AGW, but with all the bad press they have gotten by the likes of Apple, Nike, and various utility groups pulling out of the organization they probably felt they had to put on a new face.
No, I linked their statement on Climate Change way back in September. They are not denialists.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:47:14pm |
re: #159 freetoken
Well, Politico just made a liar out of me... they change one of their NJ county colors from blue to red...
It's beginning to look like the GOP might take the governorship of NJ. Can't say I'd be surprised, being how notorious Corzine has become.
Repubs thought they could pick up Torricelli's seat. Alas, the state has proven difficult to pick off any seats nomatter the level of corruption.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:47:30pm |
re: #162 NJDhockeyfan
He paid enough for it. I heard it was something like $100 million of his own money.
I was gonna vote for the other guy but then Obama went and endorsed him :)
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:47:47pm |
The headline is "Red Flags in Jersey over absentee ballot surge" - but the website is "Liberty's Army" and it looks like a bunch of wild eyed true believers.
Probably just noise.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:47:48pm |
re: #135 BryanS
I did a quick google search for wonk and etymology.
Thereby engaging in the subject you studied.
"An entomologist is not a bug." --KR
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:47:54pm |
re: #152 The Sanity Inspector
Before I'd let my family live in that thing, I'd give 'em all allergy shots first. Sheetrock was invented for a reason, you know.
Don't worry, not a chance that either you or your family will ever live in a house like that.
As for the people who will, you might find that they're allergic to sheet-rock. Different strokes for different folks.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:48:00pm |
I read somewhere that Bloomberg was spending $37,000 an hour to get re-elected. Don't know if it's true, but if it is- wow. He must REALLY think he's the right one to help his city.
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:48:02pm |
re: #164 WinterCat
Corzine was exceptionally disgusting with his thinly veiled digs about Christie's weight. I hope Corzine loses big time.
Of course his record of higher taxes, corruption, and no jobs shouldn't want us to hope he loses.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:48:23pm |
re: #164 WinterCat
Corzine was exceptionally disgusting with his thinly veiled digs about Christie's weight. I hope Corzine loses big time.
I wonder how many portly people voted against Corzine just for that remark.
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webevintage Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:49:00pm |
Ok, finished V.
Liked it.
Don't see what my fellow libs are bitching about.
So was the Bush administration one of the V's terror cells to usher in our alien overlord of hope and change...oh and "universal" health care?
That made the hubby and I laugh...
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wee fury Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:49:09pm |
re: #177 MandyManners
Portly is a good word. Upding for that.
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jayzee Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:49:36pm |
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webevintage Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:49:50pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:50:05pm |
re: #138 ryannon
I don't see any hippies - just a very motivated young man willing to invest a year or so designing and building his own house for some people's yearly bar tab.
I don't see any Jews or Blacks or Marxist-Inspired Freedom Riders in the picture as well.
Do we get to throw stones at the 'hippies' (as if this were nineteen fucking sixty-nine in Alabama or something) and not the others? Hardly seems fair.
Lighten up, hippie.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:50:22pm |
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wee fury Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:50:51pm |
I had nothing or anyone to vote for in my area. I feel so left out.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:51:16pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Upding (soon I'll be able to!) for the "Stripes" reference.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:51:37pm |
re: #175 Odahi
I read somewhere that Bloomberg was spending $37,000 an hour to get re-elected. Don't know if it's true, but if it is- wow. He must REALLY think he's the right one to help his city.
Ah, found it.
How Bloomberg Got Away With Buying New York
Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City has spent over $100 million on his reelection campaign against Democrat Bill Thompson. No candidate has ever spent more of his private fortune on a single political campaign. (This does not make it the most expensive campaign--President Barack Obama raised, and presumably spent, $150 million in a single month of his 2008 campaign.) Bloomberg, an independent candidate, has spent $245 million of his $16 billion fortune on this and his previous two mayoral campaigns. He has also come under fire for using political leverage to circumvent term limits that would have precluded the third term he is now all but guaranteed.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:51:49pm |
re: #183 MandyManners
Persons of Exaggerated Heft?
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:52:08pm |
re: #176 soxfan4life
Of course his record of higher taxes, corruption, and no jobs shouldn't want us to hope he loses.
gee how can you hold corruption against a pol?
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:52:17pm |
re: #164 WinterCat
Corzine was exceptionally disgusting with his thinly veiled digs about Christie's weight. I hope Corzine loses big time.
Really? Extremely disgusting? The last fat president was William Howard Taft. The polity sees fat people as lacking self-control. Take a look at your elected representatives- local, State, and Federal.
See a trend?
I agree it's distasteful, don't get me wrong, but it's an easy punch in the mouth. You want disgusting? See the Nirthers.
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lawhawk Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:52:28pm |
re: #143 SteveC
I was walking through Hoboken heading to Carlo's bakery (Cake Boss show on TLC); Zimmer's people were out in force on all the street corners urging people to vote.
Oh, and Carlo's pastries... they are good. real good.
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:52:52pm |
re: #189 brookly red
gee how can you hold corruption against a pol?
That's On the Job Training for most.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:53:10pm |
re: #138 ryannon
Also from the same site: Welcome Republicans!
...there seems to be republican bloggers filling this board with antienvironment posts...I would like to say to all republicans visiting this site welcome. If there ever was an issue that shouldn't be red or blue, it's the environment. But please take a few minutes to read opposing point views while you're here. I have had my opinions changed by well argued posts and if you, and everyone else, tries reading with an open mind you might as well.
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:53:35pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Lighten up, hippie.
I just get pissy when I see generally well-meaning people being objectified in such simplistic ways.
Fucking hydroponics.
Ought to be registered with the police for the molestation of under-age plants.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:54:14pm |
re: #185 SteveC
NY 23: 8% in Owens up 51-42
Still too soon to be sure. If Owens is still up like that at 25%, then we can start to think he's got it.
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Mich-again Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:54:30pm |
re: #195 ryannon
Ought to be registered with the police for the molestation of under-age plants.
What the hell does that mean?
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:54:40pm |
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:54:49pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:54:51pm |
re: #195 ryannon
I am guilty of kumquat abuse. They were my first experiments so they've endured a lot.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:55:02pm |
re: #190 austin_blue
Really? Extremely disgusting? The last fat president was William Howard Taft. The polity sees fat people as lacking self-control. Take a look at your elected representatives- local, State, and Federal.
See a trend?
I agree it's distasteful, don't get me wrong, but it's an easy punch in the mouth. You want disgusting? See the Nirthers.
Exactly. Huckleberry's interest in running for president curiously trends with his weight loss.
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wee fury Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:55:26pm |
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WinterCat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:55:37pm |
re: #190 austin_blue
I agree it's distasteful, don't get me wrong, but it's an easy punch in the mouth. You want disgusting? See the Nirthers.
Um. How did the Nirthers enter into this? Sheesh. And, no, I don't want disgusting. That was my point.
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:55:43pm |
re: #200 Killgore Trout
I am guilty of kumquat abuse. They were my first experiments so they've endured a lot.
Stockholm syndrome. The poor dears are going to need years of therapy. Years and years...
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:55:45pm |
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Mich-again Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:56:17pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:56:35pm |
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Learned Mother of Zion Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:56:44pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Hooray for hippies...
Cob House Built For Less Than $3,000
I wouldn't want to live there even if I was Bilbo Baggins.
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:57:28pm |
The bloomberg race is really close. Have they called it?
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:57:37pm |
AP with 9% of precincts reporting in NY-23: Owens: 5,501, Hoffman: 4,633; Scozzafava: 437
(From Twitter)
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:57:38pm |
re: #174 ryannon
Don't worry, not a chance that either you or your family will ever live in a house like that.
As for the people who will, you might find that they're allergic to sheet-rock. Different strokes for different folks.
FWIW, I have spent a little time around Habitat for Humanity houses that are intended for Third World use. They are humble but adequate little abodes. Some are made of cinderblock, some out of locally made brick, but none are made of this dirt/straw matrix, SFAIK.
Maybe a spray-on sealant would be a good compromise, w/o busting the budget or ruining the Earth Day vibe.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:58:03pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:58:40pm |
re: #204 WinterCat
Um. How did the Nirthers enter into this? Sheesh. And, no, I don't want disgusting. That was my point.
Pointing out a personal weakness is fair game in politics. Making shit up isn't.
Simple enough?
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:58:55pm |
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:03pm |
re: #212 SteveC
AP with 9% of precincts reporting in NY-23: Owens: 5,501, Hoffman: 4,633; Scozzafava: 437
(From Twitter)
that is less people than on my subway home...
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:14pm |
re: #210 Alouette
I wouldn't want to live there even if I was Bilbo Baggins.
In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:25pm |
re: #216 The Sanity Inspector
"Corpulent!" /expectant gaze/...
A substantial member of the community...
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:47pm |
re: #209 NJDhockeyfan
Dem Strategist Pat Caddell Accuses Democrats of Dirty Tricks In New Jersey Governor's Race
[Video]
No fucking shit.
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lawhawk Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:48pm |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
Not necessarily. It will depend on which counties are reporting. It's the same story in NJ; some of the big counties haven't reported sufficiently to give a sense of how the state is going.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:54pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
Good deal for the Four Seasons Hotel! And kudos to the Cob House guy, too. I wouldn't want to live in it, but I respect his commitment.
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wee fury Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:57pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:59:57pm |
re: #194 SteveC
I think I'll start referring to myself as "Disproportionately Beer Enhanced".
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:00:04pm |
re: #210 Alouette
I wouldn't want to live there even if I was Bilbo Baggins.
There's a 68 yr old straw mansion in AL.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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austin_blue Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:00:22pm |
re: #218 MandyManners
In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.
Nice...
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Gus Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:00:30pm |
NJ GOV: Christie Continues To Lead
November 3, 2009 9:48 PM %P% Permalink %P% Comments (0) %P%
With 58% of precincts reporting, ex-U.S. Atty Chris Christie (R) is leading Gov. Jon Corzine (D) by 6 points, 50%-44%, with ex-EPA regional admin. Chris Daggett (I) getting 5%. In Bergen Co., a must-win for GOPers in a statewide contest, Christie is still up by some 1K votes with 439 of 553 precincts reporting. It's not an insurmountable lead, but Dems in NJ and DC are nervous.
Meanwhile, Daggett is currently delivering a concession speech from his Basking Ridge HQ.
(SEAN J. MILLER)
:)
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:00:34pm |
re: #217 brookly red
How weird would it be if the repubs swept everything but NY23.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:00:46pm |
re: #218 MandyManners
In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.
Upding for Mr. Tolkien!
The road goes ever onward...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:00:47pm |
Cristie is now up by 6.1 (49.9-43.8) with 66.8% reporting.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:00:54pm |
I am trying to get revenge for those "Do Not Call List" violators.
I admit it, my broomstick has been recently tuned.
We've been getting 2-3 solicitations a day.
I'm reporting their patooties & hoping they get hit with a $1500 fine, PER CALL!
All you need is the name of the company, and a call-back number ( lots won't give you that). I like adding the name of the employee who called (Yes, I know, they're grateful to have a job.) I'm sick of this.
[Link: complaints.donotcall.gov...]
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:01:05pm |
re: #218 MandyManners
I used to have that memorized, when I still had a memory. Frodo lives!
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:01:07pm |
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:01:17pm |
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:01:23pm |
re: #213 The Sanity Inspector
FWIW, I have spent a little time around Habitat for Humanity houses that are intended for Third World use. They are humble but adequate little abodes. Some are made of cinderblock, some out of locally made brick, but none are made of this dirt/straw matrix, SFAIK.
Maybe a spray-on sealant would be a good compromise, w/o busting the budget or ruining the Earth Day vibe.
Like adobe, those materials were meant to 'breathe'. A spray-on sealant is just about the worse thing you could put on it, just after latex-based paint.
Either leave it shit-brown or whitewash it. The boy's no Frank Lloyd Wright, but it's his first try. Once you master materials like that, you can do beautiful things.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:01:23pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:01:58pm |
RCP Blog:
9:51 -- Nearly an hour after polls closed in NY, results are coming in at a snail's pace. The NYT page has 8% reporting, with Owens winning 53% to Hoffman's 42% and Scozzafava at 4%. But that's a total of less than 10,000 votes. Leaked exits (via Ben Smith's twitter account) had Hoffman leading Owens 50-47, with Scozzafava at 2.5%. At this rate, it'll be tomorrow before we know who won. --TOM BEVAN
9:46 -- NYT fixed Sussex County. 58% in, Christie leads by 90,000 votes. I don't think there's enough votes out there for Corzine to win. --SEAN TRENDE
9:45 -- Daggett takes stage. We don't know who won, "but we know it's not us." -- MIKE MEMOLI
9:43 -- Hudson County, where Corzine ran up huge margins in '05, reporting just 36% turnout tonight -- MIKE MEMOLI
9:40 -- Setting the scene at Corzine HQ: music turned off and NJN coverage being piped in. Much of the crowd is taking advantage of the cash bar and soggy water dogs outside the ballroom. -- MIKE MEMOLI
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:02:05pm |
re: #230 SteveC
Upding for Mr. Tolkien!
The road goes ever onward...
Don't forget your pocket kerchiefs!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:02:39pm |
re: #232 Floral Giraffe
I am trying to get revenge for those "Do Not Call List" violators.
I admit it, my broomstick has been recently tuned.
We've been getting 2-3 solicitations a day.
I'm reporting their patooties & hoping they get hit with a $1500 fine, PER CALL!All you need is the name of the company, and a call-back number ( lots won't give you that). I like adding the name of the employee who called (Yes, I know, they're grateful to have a job.) I'm sick of this.
[Link: complaints.donotcall.gov...]
I tell them to hold on then put the phone down.
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brookly red Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:02:40pm |
re: #229 RogueOne
How weird would it be if the repubs swept everything but NY23.
area 23, area 51, whatever...
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:02:41pm |
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rollwave87 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:03:15pm |
looking good in NY-23 so far...this whole mess will have been worth it if the voters upstate send a big loud 'get lost' to the teabaggers. anyone have any data on Maine? thats probably the most important election, big big picture wise...
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:04:27pm |
9:55 -- A GOP source in Bergen sends these updated numbers from key NJ county: 84% reporting, Christie has 650-vote edge -- MIKE MEMOLI
9:54 -- Corzine music update: "It's Not Over" replaces NJN feed. --MIKE MEMOLI
9:54 -- According to Virginia blogger Not Larry Sabato, with three races uncalled, Democrats are down four seats in the Virginia House of Delegates. If they lose five seats, I think they'll breathe a sigh of relief. --SEAN TRENDE
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:04:31pm |
re: #237 freetoken
That''s a lovely, relaxing piece. Thank you.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:04:33pm |
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:04:46pm |
re: #243 rollwave87
In Maine they just found a new use for sheep...wool.
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jvic Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:05:17pm |
re: #229 RogueOne
How weird would it be if the repubs swept everything but NY23.
If those North Country voters don't vote the way Palin told them to?
Say good-bye, Sarah.
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Shiplord kirel Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:06:08pm |
Speaking of hippies, I practically am one here in the armpit of Texas, Lubbock. No, I don't wear tie-dye or smoke illegal plants, and my hair (such as it is) is still cut to military regulation, but I do speak distinctly in standard English and sometimes articulate well thought-out and even intellectually-grounded opinions. This, of course, is profoundly theatening to the yokels who have taken over this place since I was a child here in the 50s. I've managed to arouse the suspicion of the police more than once like this in fact. I am also sick of cops and other imperious lackeys who routinely violate the law and abuse the people for whom they allegedly work. The metastasizing mass of orange traffic cones doesn't make it any better.
I have two months to go in this hellhole, then it's back to a place where American principles more or less prevail.
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rollwave87 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:06:57pm |
re: #248 soxfan4life
In Maine they just found a new use for sheep...wool.
yeahhh...was actually referring to the whole civil rights referendum thing. but thanks. and go yankees.
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lawhawk Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:07:01pm |
re: #238 NJDhockeyfan
Exit polls were too close to call, but it looks like whatever margins Corzine was hoping for in Essex, Bergen, Passaic, Union, and Hudson aren't happening.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:07:12pm |
re: #242 ryannon
There's a lot of interest in urban rooftop gardening. Even beekeeping.
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MandyManners Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:07:42pm |
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:08:02pm |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
I know they're even finding falcons (maybe eagles too) nesting on high-rises.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:08:25pm |
re: #253 lawhawk
Exit polls were too close to call, but it looks like whatever margins Corzine was hoping for in Essex, Bergen, Passaic, Union, and Hudson aren't happening.
Looks like the gangbangers & drug dealers can't save Corzine from defeat.
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:08:32pm |
re: #238 NJDhockeyfan
NYT has more recent numbers it appears, 21 pct reporting:
N.Y. District 23
N.Y. District 23 Candidate Party Votes Pct.
Bill Owens Dem. 15,724 51.5%
Doug Hoffman Con. 13,195 43.2
Dede Scozzafava Rep. 1,627 5.3
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:09:04pm |
re: #253 lawhawk
Christie is still up by 100,000 votes, with probably 6x many left to count. It's beginning to look like Corzine has no hope left.
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rollwave87 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:09:35pm |
re: #260 Thanos
NYT has more recent numbers it appears, 21 pct reporting:
N.Y. District 23
N.Y. District 23 Candidate Party Votes Pct.
Bill Owens Dem. 15,724 51.5%
Doug Hoffman Con. 13,195 43.2
Dede Scozzafava Rep. 1,627 5.3
liking what im seeing...so far.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:09:51pm |
re: #258 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks- One of my favorite quotes- "Because they don't make a forty-six." Although they do now...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:10:32pm |
re: #260 Thanos
Wow, if the Dems actually pick up up a solidly red district that'll be pretty significant. Either way the Tea Party crowd will be happy with the result.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:11:07pm |
10:07 -- 22% reporting in Maine and the "Nos" (those who don't want to repeal the gay marriage law) are hanging on to a slim 51-49 lead. --TOM BEVAN
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:11:45pm |
re: #266 Rightwingconspirator
Nope, just ex-military and a fan of the caliber.
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rollwave87 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:12:55pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Wow, if the Dems actually pick up up a solidly red district that'll be pretty significant. Either way the Tea Party crowd will be happy with the result.
Id love to see the teabaggers try and spin a Hoffman loss. It was a solidly Republican seat going back to Lincoln's day, they squeezed the GOP nominee out of the race, and handed it to a Dem...that's a victory?
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:13:37pm |
re: #232 Floral Giraffe
I am trying to get revenge for those "Do Not Call List" violators.
I admit it, my broomstick has been recently tuned.
We've been getting 2-3 solicitations a day.
I'm reporting their patooties & hoping they get hit with a $1500 fine, PER CALL!All you need is the name of the company, and a call-back number ( lots won't give you that). I like adding the name of the employee who called (Yes, I know, they're grateful to have a job.) I'm sick of this.
[Link: complaints.donotcall.gov...]
When we moved into our new facility at work, we were given phone numbers that had recently belonged to residences. So, we get robo-calls alll dayyy looonnng!! The weirdest one yet was an offer from a medical tourism outfit.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:13:42pm |
Unofficial Results sorted by race for 2009 November Election contested races updated at 9:54 PM on Tuesday, November 3, 2009. 132 of 605 (22 %) of precincts have been reported. 767252 of 942825 ( 81%) registered voters have participated in this election.
81% in an off year? holy cow if that's right! (does participated == voted?)
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soxfan4life Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:13:42pm |
re: #267 NJDhockeyfan
10:07 -- 22% reporting in Maine and the "Nos" (those who don't want to repeal the gay marriage law) are hanging on to a slim 51-49 lead. --TOM BEVAN
Wonder what the crying will about if Yes wins. Seems as though all states that do allow same-sex marriage have done so without a public vote.
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:14:31pm |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
There's a lot of interest in urban rooftop gardening. Even beekeeping.
Damn straight. If I weren't so lazy, I'd set up a few hives myself. Great idea. For me, gardening in the big city, not so much. Truck gardens just outside of the city, somewhat more.
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Randall Gross Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:14:43pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Wow, if the Dems actually pick up up a solidly red district that'll be pretty significant. Either way the Tea Party crowd will be happy with the result.
Yeah, that dipshit coward who wouldn't answer Chrissy "leg tingle" Matthews pretty straight up questions will still get veto power over the Republican candidate in 2010. If the Dems win, they've got a lock on the district for a couple of election cycles unless Owens is a real dim bulb.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:15:00pm |
re: #268 Odahi
Thanks for serving, the best I could do to help was to train some very young troopers. I see you are past 50 comments-ding away! Long time lizard though...
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rollwave87 Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:15:10pm |
re: #272 soxfan4life
Wonder what the crying will about if Yes wins. Seems as though all states that do allow same-sex marriage have done so without a public vote.
seems as though voters in Louisiana wouldn't have voted to integrate schools 50 years ago...I guess if black people complained about that, they'd be 'crying.'
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:15:14pm |
re: #232 Floral Giraffe
I am trying to get revenge for those "Do Not Call List" violators.
I admit it, my broomstick has been recently tuned.
We've been getting 2-3 solicitations a day.
I'm reporting their patooties & hoping they get hit with a $1500 fine, PER CALL!All you need is the name of the company, and a call-back number ( lots won't give you that). I like adding the name of the employee who called (Yes, I know, they're grateful to have a job.) I'm sick of this.
[Link: complaints.donotcall.gov...]
if the calls are about political campaigns or referendums, anyone calling on behalf of those are exempt from the Do Not Call Regulations. :(
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:16:23pm |
re: #278 bloodstar
Get a can horn, like they use at ball games...
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sadhu Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:17:09pm |
re: #251 Shiplord kirel
great music out of that West Texas flatland
seen the movie Lubbock Lights?
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Gus Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:17:33pm |
Chris Christie wins N.J. governor race, defeats Jon Corzine 10:07 PM
With 71 percent of the N.J. election results counted, Christie has 50 percent of the vote to Corzine's 44 percent
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:17:41pm |
AP calls NJ
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:18:00pm |
It seems that every time I get ready to post on a thread, I read the same sentiments posted by others, and then I just wind up spending three hours reading the thread. Not that that's a bad thing.
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:18:14pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
wow, how incredible is that. Christie only has a 4% lead right now and quite a few votes still out there.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:19:01pm |
re: #285 RogueOne
Maybe 500,000 votes left to count, and Christie up by 100,000. Pretty easy to call, I think.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:19:48pm |
re: #270 The Sanity Inspector
When we moved into our new facility at work, we were given phone numbers that had recently belonged to residences. So, we get robo-calls alll dayyy looonnng!! The weirdest one yet was an offer from a medical tourism outfit.
WTF? "Come to India, have a blast, get your gallbladder removed!"
AND - no matter what Aunt Nancy says, when she has you sitting around the fire telling you ghost stories about how horrible our medical system is, so bad that people actually LEAVE THE COUNTRY to get medical care... remind her that there are 12 times more people entering the country for medical care!
/No more Ghost Stories, Aunt Nancy.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:19:52pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:20:13pm |
re: #285 RogueOne
wow, how incredible is that. Christie only has a 4% lead right now and quite a few votes still out there.
6 percent now.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:20:26pm |
re: #251 Shiplord kirel
Speaking of hippies, I practically am one here in the armpit of Texas, Lubbock. No, I don't wear tie-dye or smoke illegal plants, and my hair (such as it is) is still cut to military regulation, but I do speak distinctly in standard English and sometimes articulate well thought-out and even intellectually-grounded opinions. This, of course, is profoundly theatening to the yokels who have taken over this place since I was a child here in the 50s. I've managed to arouse the suspicion of the police more than once like this in fact. I am also sick of cops and other imperious lackeys who routinely violate the law and abuse the people for whom they allegedly work. The metastasizing mass of orange traffic cones doesn't make it any better.
I have two months to go in this hellhole, then it's back to a place where American principles more or less prevail.
How uncouth can a place like this really be?
Let me guess: they use the orange traffic cones as a cheap replacement for actual road improvements? I've had a whole Chinese emperor's terra cotta figurine army's worth of cones along the road outside my neighborhood for a year now.
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WinterCat Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:20:31pm |
re: #215 austin_blue
Attacking someone's physical attributes is not fair game in my book. That is a tactic of weak minds. And by the way, aggressive much? You should have that looked at by a professional.
Simple enough?
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njrob Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:21:17pm |
NJ is over. Christie has it. Remaining ballots would have to break more than 60% for Corzine. It's over.
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Millicent Islam Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:21:35pm |
re: #269 rollwave87
Id love to see the teabaggers try and spin a Hoffman loss. It was a solidly Republican seat going back to Lincoln's day, they squeezed the GOP nominee out of the race, and handed it to a Dem...that's a victory?
Yes, if you convince your followers that teh race wuz STOLEN by trickse Dems and Soros and ACORN.
/This is good news...for McCain!
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:22:10pm |
re: #294 SteveC
Oh, hell! We've seen this before!
I'd love to see bloomberg lose, never thought it would happen. It would be the cherry on the corzine loss. A great day for America damnit!
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:22:35pm |
re: #288 BryanS
Politico is reporting Bloomberg under 50% with 67.6% precincts reporting (49.4 versus 47.3%). Much closer than I thought it'd be at this point.
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ryannon Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:22:42pm |
re: #284 Odahi
It seems that every time I get ready to post on a thread, I read the same sentiments posted by others, and then I just wind up spending three hours reading the thread. Not that that's a bad thing.
No, it's quite normal. A sort of individuation process that many otherwise decent posters here go through before finding their very own awful forum selves.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:24:42pm |
I'm not a fan of Bloomberg (imagine that!). I find it fascinating that billionaires like Bloomberg and Soros really expect us to believe that they favor increasing the taxes on "the rich" by a huge amount. Same way the pols exempted themselves from the do-not-call list, they will find a way to avoid the taxes they raise on others.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:27:01pm |
re: #269 rollwave87
Id love to see the teabaggers try and spin a Hoffman loss. It was a solidly Republican seat going back to Lincoln's day, they squeezed the GOP nominee out of the race, and handed it to a Dem...that's a victory?
I am far from a teabagger. Like I have said before the only thing remotely conservative about me is my firearms collection, but I'll give it a try. I hear a lot of people talking about how NY 23 has been a Republican seat for so long, but I am starting to believe that this really is not Owens' race to lose.
In the 2008 Presidential election NY 23 voted thusly:
Barack Obama 57.1%
John McCain 41.6%
(Obama by 15.1%)
In a race, with a ridiculous level of national attention and Bible Spice deliberately backing Hoffman in an almost overt effort to create a national referendum on Obama's presidency, is it really all that surprising that the early returns are in favor of Owens by a comfortable margin.
I'm not calling the election and I'm fairly certain the numbers will narrow. I won't be surprised if Hoffman wins, but I absolutely believe Nate Silver of 538.com when he states that special elections are a different breed.
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captdiggs Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:27:42pm |
Networks calling the NJ election for Christie.
A major loss for Obama.
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jayzee Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:28:58pm |
ot-Just watching Keith at MSNBC pay no attention to the elections, but bad mouthing Lieberman. He's such a douche.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:30:45pm |
DOH! I should have linked Chuck Berry for my 50th post! You know- "My Ding-a-Ling!"
except I don't do links...
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:30:50pm |
Hmm...the Maine question on same sex marriage has turned around in the last few minutes. No was ahead previously...
But there are still only 28% of precincts reporting so it could go either way from here.
REJECT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LAW
Yes 74802 50.51%
No 73292 49.49%
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:30:58pm |
I so wish I knew where the results were coming from in NY 23 and Maine (where yes has just taken the lead with 28% of the precincts counted). If anyone has links I'd be most grateful!
As a local interest, Mary Norwood is within shouting distance of 50% in Atlanta.
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Gitarzan Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:31:52pm |
re: #304 captdiggs
Networks calling the NJ election for Christie.
A major loss for
Obamathe Donk candidates that were running.
FTFY...as much as some people want these elections to be a referendum on Obama's performance so far, it just ain't.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:33:03pm |
re: #304 captdiggs
Networks calling the NJ election for Christie.
A major loss for Obama.
Wait? Obama was running for the NJ Governorship? I must really not have been paying attention!
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:33:42pm |
re: #308 bloodstar
I so wish I knew where the results were coming from in NY 23 and Maine (where yes has just taken the lead with 28% of the precincts counted). If anyone has links I'd be most grateful!
As a local interest, Mary Norwood is within shouting distance of 50% in Atlanta.
The yes vote means what--yes, keep the law passed allowing same sex marriage?
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:34:00pm |
re: #309 talon_262
Maybe it is a referendum on Obama just a little bit. But it's way too early in the cycle to make any sweeping predictions, I'm thinking. Check back this time next year, I think we'll be seeing a referendum then.
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:34:53pm |
re: #310 bloodstar
Except the Obama camp took over the corzine campaign and Obama himself stumped there multiple times.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:34:54pm |
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:35:36pm |
re: #296 njrob
NJ is over. Christie has it. Remaining ballots would have to break more than 60% for Corzine. It's over.
Game over, man, game over!
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:35:52pm |
re: #311 BryanS
The yes vote means what--yes, keep the law passed allowing same sex marriage?
yes means repeal the law
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jayzee Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:36:22pm |
re: #309 talon_262
FTFY...as much as some people want these elections to be a referendum on Obama's performance so far, it just ain't.
Yeah it is. There are pictures of Obama and Corzine hugging each other all over this state. At the very least, it shows he star has dimmed.
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RogueOne Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:36:36pm |
re: #314 ausador
Here is the Maine results link
[Link: www.bangordailynews.com...]
Medical Marijuana is crushing! 62-38
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:36:50pm |
re: #311 BryanS
The yes vote means what--yes, keep the law passed allowing same sex marriage?
Nope, a yes vote means to repeal the same sex marriage law passed by the Maine legislature, banning same sex marriage again.
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Odahi Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:37:17pm |
re: #316 SteveC
+1 for that! Mrs. Odahi and I use that all the time too.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:37:26pm |
re: #308 bloodstar
I so wish I knew where the results were coming from in NY 23 and Maine (where yes has just taken the lead with 28% of the precincts counted). If anyone has links I'd be most grateful!
As a local interest, Mary Norwood is within shouting distance of 50% in Atlanta.
People are posting this stuff by county on Twitter, let me look. I have no idea about the NY geography so I'll just cut and paste.
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BryanS Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:38:19pm |
re: #317 bloodstar
yes means repeal the law
Sorry to ask again--and that law legalized same sex marriage? So a yes vote is a vote against same sex marriage?
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:39:20pm |
re: #323 BryanS
Sorry to ask again--and that law legalized same sex marriage? So a yes vote is a vote against same sex marriage?
Correct.
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captdiggs Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:40:11pm |
re: #310 bloodstar
Wait? Obama was running for the NJ Governorship? I must really not have been paying attention!
Both NJ and VA candidates ran on policies that are diametrically opposed to those of Obama. Less government, lower taxes, lower business taxes, against cap-n-trade, and in VA...for off shore oil drilling...among other things.
There is no way to separate these elections from Obama's policies, just one year after Obama won in both states.
Though the White House will do its best to spin this otherwise
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:40:52pm |
Returns from Jefferson County in #NY23 race: Owens: 7345, Hoffman: 6985.
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:42:10pm |
Owens 49.1% ; Hoffman 45.5%; Scuzzy 5.5% - 47% reporting (From Twitter)
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njrob Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:42:43pm |
I hope people realize that the reason many are calling these races a loss for Obama because it's going to make more squishy Democrats in Congress less likely to support his agenda because they would be afraid of getting GRIP'd.
That's a logical conclusion and people shouldn't really be trying to call out anyone making that logical statement.
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funky chicken Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:44:27pm |
re: #251 Shiplord kirel
Speaking of hippies, I practically am one here in the armpit of Texas, Lubbock. No, I don't wear tie-dye or smoke illegal plants, and my hair (such as it is) is still cut to military regulation, but I do speak distinctly in standard English and sometimes articulate well thought-out and even intellectually-grounded opinions. This, of course, is profoundly theatening to the yokels who have taken over this place since I was a child here in the 50s. I've managed to arouse the suspicion of the police more than once like this in fact. I am also sick of cops and other imperious lackeys who routinely violate the law and abuse the people for whom they allegedly work. The metastasizing mass of orange traffic cones doesn't make it any better.
I have two months to go in this hellhole, then it's back to a place where American principles more or less prevail.
where ya going?
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SteveC Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:51:50pm |
Owens 49% Hoffman 45% with 383 of 606 precincts reporting (63%)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:53:57pm |
re: #255 MandyManners
Freakin' bizarre.
Yeah. Not particularly funny, outside of the semi clever title, but your "show us your ti-" comment reminded me that I had seen that earlier in the week, so I figured I'd share it. I mean, why should I be the only one to suffer?
/
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 3, 2009 7:57:43pm |
re: #313 RogueOne
Except the Obama camp took over the corzine campaign and Obama himself stumped there multiple times.
Right, just like the Olympic bid. I see a narrative taking root.
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Dadaist Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:03:09pm |
re: #331 SteveC
Owens 49% Hoffman 45% with 383 of 606 precincts reporting (63%)
This is still too close to call, but as the votes come in Hoffman doesn't look like he's eroding Owens' lead fast enough.
If Owens does hold on that will be quite an accomplishment for the tea baggers: Putting a district that has been Republican since the Civil War into Democratic hands. The results this evening, in Virginia and New Jersey particularly, show that there are opportunities there for an opposition party. But if conservatives insist on driving out the moderates in an orgy of purging and instead decides to back fringe right wingers then they are very likely to blow that opportunity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:09:45pm |
re: #172 SteveC
The headline is "Red Flags in Jersey over absentee ballot surge" - but the website is "Liberty's Army" and it looks like a bunch of wild eyed true believers.
Probably just noise.
Ya know, 'Red flags over' still just sounds like a Commie takeover to me.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:11:55pm |
Wow... and here we thought the GOP was deader than usama bin laden.
Even New Jersey! Guess the corpus of Christie wasn't as scary as Corzine had tried to portray it.
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jvic Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:31:04pm |
Wrt Obama:
Recall that the last two successful Presidents (Clinton and Reagan) took office during economic turmoil, and each got zapped during the subsequent midterm election--and each was reelected resoundingly.
Here we are, a year before the midterms.
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hokiepride Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:32:41pm |
Three lessons tonight
1) McDonnell won by emphasizing taxes and transportation and dumping the socon talking points
2) Chris Christie won on the basis of taxes and corruption
Both candidates won on the basis of independents who are now increasingly important
3) Hoffman is in a bruising battle in a heavily republican district.
The path is clear, a moderate R candidate who campaigns on bread and butter issues wins, one who trots out socon fundie talking points, loses
GOP are you listening?
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tradewind Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:37:35pm |
re: #338 hokiepride
McDonnell had one slogan that carried him a very long way towards victory... ' Bob's 4 Jobs '.
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tradewind Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:41:14pm |
re: #338 hokiepride
There wasn't a Republican candidate who trotted out' Socon fundie ' talking points. .. there was a third party opportunist.
The Republican party in NY state is an oxymoron of its own, not to be confused with its counterpart nationally .
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hokiepride Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:48:33pm |
re: #340 tradewind
True, but Hoffman was endorsed by all the GOP bigwigs like Palin and Thompson and still Owens and him are locked in a dead heat. Christie won a 50-44% in spite of being outspent 3:1 and attacked non-stop. My point is that hopefully the GOP learns the right lessons from VA and NJ.
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njrob Tue, Nov 3, 2009 10:19:31pm |
re: #340 tradewind
Where did Hoffman trot out any social conservative talking points? And people are mentioning that he was endorsed by Fred Thompson and Sarah Palin, but they neglect to mention that Scozzoflava was endorsed by the Republican party establishment and Newt Gingrich. It was the voters in the district that repudiated her due to her liberal views.
It appears that Hoffman's lack of knowledge of local views and Scozzoflava's shameful endorsement of his opponent did just enough for Owens to win. Carpetbagging makes it difficult to win an election, unless your name is Clinton.
Hoffman was the only person in the race that was a fiscal conservative and not a big government liberal. Remember that before you decide that it's the social con's fault for this defeat.
Furthermore, which is more important to you? Your socially liberal views or your conservative economic views? There are choices that are going to need to be made as most candidate's won't share all your viewpoints (nor mine, but I still gladly supported Christie over Corzine).
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