1 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:21:41pm

Hmm...wonder what PMSNBC and CNN are going to focus more on? the outcome of NY-23 or the gubenetorial races in Virgnina and New Jersey.

/It's not like voters in a VERY blue state just elected a Republican or anything...

2 checked08  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:34:43pm

Republicans won in blue territories, a Democrat won in a red territory, and gays were denied their rights in Maine. Seems to me everyone lost.

3 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:35:45pm

Oh...and one way to make the baseball season seem like it's dragging on forever and ever is have the World Series extend into November.

Another way to agonizingly prolong the baseball season is to have the Yankees in the World Series. Feel the days, weeks and months that you're never getting back slide away while the vapid announcers gush over how 'clutch' players like Nick Swisher, Phil Coke or Joba Chamberlain are...by the time the inning's over, you'll be wondering what year it is and who's birthday you missed or which one of your relatives are still alive...but- surprisingly- only a few minutes have elapsed!

Or better yet- combine the two! You'll have this compacted mass of tedium and suck that's compressed so tightly that not even light can escape.

4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:42:13pm

re: #3 Fenway_Nation

Only slightly off topic: Did you ever read Hunter Thompson's suggestions on how to improve baseball? Glorious and insane. :D

5 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:42:59pm

re: #3 Fenway_Nation
I've been a Sox fan all of my adult life, but always hated the fact that they're in the American League.

6 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:49:16pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

I was profoundly disappointed in them last month...

At the end of September, they were within striking distance of the AL East pennant...then they just seemed to be phoning it it from that final regular-season series against the Yankees to the ALDS.

7 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:51:28pm

Vicente Padilla Shot In Leg

Dick Cheney, perhaps? Maybe Plaxico Burress

/

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:53:31pm

re: #7 TheMatrix31

Vicente Padilla Shot In Leg

Dick Cheney, perhaps? Maybe Plaxico Burress

/

I say Cheney. So far Plaxico has demonstrated no ability to shoot anyone except himself. And a 'hunting accident'...very fishy.

/

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:54:15pm

re: #7 TheMatrix31

Plaxico is one of the most awesome names in all of sports. See also Coco Crisp. See also Dick Butkus.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:55:27pm

re: #9 WindUpBird

Plaxico is one of the most awesome names in all of sports. See also Coco Crisp. See also Dick Butkus.

It is a good name.

11 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:56:35pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

Yea- but C'mon! Cheney could've shot a bird or a dog...but he shot a lawyer fer Chrissakes.

/Much better than busting a cap in your own appendage.

12 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:58:18pm

re: #9 WindUpBird

Plaxico is one of the most awesome names in all of sports. See also Coco Crisp. See also Dick Butkus.

NASCAR famous Dick Trickle ring any bells?

13 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:59:24pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my favorite things lately is watching Monday Night Football with my partner (who is a Real football fan, goes to local college games) and picking out the amazing unintentional euphemisms for intercourse that the commentators make. And then twittering them.

I am also rooting for the currently unstoppable Saints. Because I want New Orleans to kick ass.

14 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:59:37pm

re: #12 Capitalist Tool

It so does! :D :D

15 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:03:26am

Medical Marijuana passed in Maine anyway, and by a large margin.

I think it's interesting that it's not being reported on.

16 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:03:55am

re: #15 Conservative Moonbat


Reporters are too distracted by the contact high...

/

17 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:07:33am

A musical interlude while I wait on my test call...

18 freetoken  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:08:29am

re: #15 Conservative Moonbat

Medical Marijuana passed in Maine anyway, and by a large margin.

I think it's interesting that it's not being reported on.

Yup, me too.

19 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:08:42am

re: #15 Conservative Moonbat

No one gives a shit about that when two blue states got rocked.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:09:36am

Medical pot is one of those things I support because there's no reason not to, and have absolutely no interest in. And honestly, many of its supporters irritate the hell out of me.

Can we just legalize, already, and stop having this stupid repetitive national conversation about it?

21 freetoken  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:11:22am

re: #17 Thanos

re: #17 Thanos

Music? Did someone say "music"?

We got some music right here:

/only 50 days left to shop for those gifts to put under the tree onto which fall people may fall ...

22 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:11:59am

re: #19 TheMatrix31

I don't think Viginia is as 'blue' as some make it out to be...

23 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:14:27am

re: #21 freetoken

That reminds me of another song

24 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:23:41am

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

'Virginia', too...

25 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:28:41am

re: #15 Conservative Moonbat

Medical Marijuana passed in Maine anyway, and by a large margin.

I think it's interesting that it's not being reported on.

There were gay marriage proposals on ballots in two states - Washington and...? Any word on how they fared?

26 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:29:04am

One of the more resonant scenes from "Wild at Heart" :

27 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:39:54am

re: #25 SixDegrees

Looks like the measure in Maine failed to pass, while the referendum in Washington succeeded, although it was weaker than the Maine bill, being a sort of "everything but marriage" statement that supports civil unions.

Another vote of support for my idea that the contracts granted by states called "marriage licenses" ought to be replaced across the board with civil contracts for all. If you want a marriage, go to your church. If you want the legal recognition and rights granted by the state contract, go get a civil contract. It's what everyone has to do anyway right now, it's just a matter of renaming the state-issued contract to reflect it's true nature.

28 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:41:27am

Out, probably until much later. We're having a mysterious LGF blackout at work that has lasted for several days, so no posting until I return home unless it's been resolved.

29 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:44:37am

Nas Nedogonyat

30 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 12:51:18am

Let's Pretend We're Bunny Rabbits

31 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:02:04am

re: #30 iceweasel

32 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:12:29am

And now for something completely different - Stuart Lee on the heartbreak of Scotchness :)

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:18:07am

Completely off topic, regarding that George Hutchins Constitution Party candidate and his amazing technicolor website, a friend of mine showed me this:

*** YEAH CAPSLOCK!!!

It just brings it all home. I haven't laughed this hard at an image macro for a month.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:46:30am
35 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:52:58am

One for the Republicans

[Link: vodpod.com...]

But the two they won were just regular elections, not a power play involving the extreme right.

But Hoffmann already blamed it on ACORN and "the troops".

36 freetoken  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:00:32am
37 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:32:59am

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Medical pot is one of those things I support because there's no reason not to, and have absolutely no interest in. And honestly, many of its supporters irritate the hell out of me.

Can we just legalize, already, and stop having this stupid repetitive national conversation about it?

Are you meaning medical marijuana, or marijuana in general? First the government would have to figure out how much to tax it, how to subsidize low income families from it, and how to test drivers for being under the influence. And this administration would have to figure out how to give it to people for free.

38 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:36:34am

re: #35 ralphieboy

One for the Republicans

[Link: vodpod.com...]

But the two they won were just regular elections, not a power play involving the extreme right.

But Hoffmann already blamed it on ACORN and "the troops".

The TPers set up the race in the 23rd as an iconic battle between themselves and everything they oppose - and they lost. They're trying to salvage victory from other results, but they stepped in it big time in the 23rd, handing that seat to a Democrat for the first time since the Civil War and eliminating GOP participation in the race.

Not quite their Waterloo, but given enough time they'll probably manage to screech themselves out of existence.

39 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:40:35am

Morning, soxfan4life...

Just musing about how 1 year ago today...

I had a job.

40 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:46:50am

re: #39 Fenway_Nation

I cant believe this nightmare is already potentially 25% over.

41 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:47:21am

re: #39 Fenway_Nation

Morning, soxfan4life...

Just musing about how 1 year ago today...

I had a job.

Hang in there my friend.. it will come. Of course it might be in something completely different. If you're interested in contract work for the Army there is alot here at Fort Hood. Email me if you want some more info, I can give you some names, numbers, etc..

42 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:48:15am

re: #40 TheMatrix31

I cant believe this nightmare is already potentially 25% over.

Midterms next year could put a huge roadblock in his path.

43 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:51:34am

re: #42 soxfan4life

Ahh...if only.

44 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:53:48am

re: #43 TheMatrix31

Ahh...if only.

If Republicans take a lesson from McConnell and don't try to make NY-23 into some kind of moral victory they can pick up ground in 2010.

45 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:55:17am

re: #40 TheMatrix31

I cant believe this nightmare is already potentially 25% over.

And I can't belive it's not butter!//

re: #41 soxfan4life

Awesome...a change of scenery might be just what I need. Appreciate that.

I was going to to a blog entry on 'the grim milestone', but I'm not sure how I should go about it. Lord knows there's plenty to choose from, but I'm trying to decide if I should be snarky or sincere.
To be fair, I rattled off a list of things that he likely had a hand in that I wholeheartedly endorse (involves dead jihadis around the Horn of Africa and Hindu Kush)...

Low hanging fruit from there on out, tho'

46 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:56:42am

Thing is, the Reps are bound to recover next year, a victory in NY-23 would've supported the untra-right's argument that it was "sticking to principles" that won it for them, rather than the natural political cycle of incumbents losing ground in a weak economy.

Have not looked into the FOx, Rush and RNC spin on their major political gaffe.

47 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:58:14am

re: #44 soxfan4life

If Republicans take a lesson from McConnell and don't try to make NY-23 into some kind of moral victory they can pick up ground in 2010.

The amount of spinning taking place over at Malkin's could be used to enrich uranium. The turned that race into a circus and made it an icon of their position - and they lost. Now, they're trying on every excuse available to find one that makes this look like a slightly less epic fail, and the search isn't going well.

48 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:00:59am

re: #44 soxfan4life

NY-23 is and forever shall be the Highway I take when heading over from Massachusetts to visit the FASNY Fire Museum.

49 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:01:28am

re: #45 Fenway_Nation

At least he signed the stimulus and kept unemployment from reaching near double digits. Oops. Well he stood behind his commitment to more troops in Afghanistan. Nooo.Came home empty handed on his Olympic bid. But he did manage to stand up the MOH recipients and their inaugural ball.

50 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:04:52am

re: #46 ralphieboy

Thing is, the Reps are bound to recover next year, a victory in NY-23 would've supported the untra-right's argument that it was "sticking to principles" that won it for them, rather than the natural political cycle of incumbents losing ground in a weak economy.

Have not looked into the FOx, Rush and RNC spin on their major political gaffe.

Hoffman himself set the tone for what's to come: he's blaming his defeat on ACORN and hinting at election fraud. Apparently, now there's a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy out there. Other pundits, who were proclaiming the race in the 23rd to be the defining moment of the TPers where certain victory would proceed to wash over the entire country are now suddenly silent on the race, preferring to suddenly take interest in a couple of GOP victories that are, frankly, boringly unremarkable. "WOO HOO! We won against the most corrupt, incompetent Democrat EVAH!" isn't much of a rallying cry, but it's all they've got left.

51 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:07:02am

re: #49 soxfan4life

Don't forget his scathing condemnation of Iran's mullahs after their militias arbitrarily beat, shot and detained protestors in Tehran FOX news, the US Chamber of Commerce and the thugs and tyrants at...Edmunds

52 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:09:06am

re: #51 Fenway_Nation

He knows who the true enemies of the state are. There was also his whole hearted show of support for police officers in general and in Cambridge specifically.

53 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:10:21am

re: #50 SixDegrees

Well...there IS ACORN involvement rampant everywhere, so it's a legitimate complaint. Me? I don't give a shit about NY-23, I'm celebrating the ass beatings in VA and NJ.

54 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:11:14am

re: #51 Fenway_Nation

Don't forget his scathing condemnation of Iran's mullahs after their militias arbitrarily beat, shot and detained protestors in Tehran FOX news, the US Chamber of Commerce and the thugs and tyrants at...Edmunds

One of these days, those tactics are gonna' back-fire on BHO on day.

55 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:11:26am

re: #53 TheMatrix31

Well...there IS ACORN involvement rampant everywhere, so it's a legitimate complaint. Me? I don't give a shit about NY-23, I'm celebrating the ass beatings in VA and NJ.


How very butthurt conservative of you.

56 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:12:09am

re: #55 soxfan4life

Only butthurt because we keep being fucked in the ass by Obama and Congress.

57 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:13:09am

re: #56 TheMatrix31

*WHACK*

58 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:14:44am

I see the NY-23 race not going away anytime soon just because Hussein Dolt's cheerleaders in the MSM won't have to discuss the GOP winning one of the bluest states there is and a state that's been trending blue for a decade...both 'aided' by multiple campaign appearences by the TOTUS himself.

59 sngnsgt  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:16:22am

re: #57 MandyManners

LOL! Hi Mandy...

60 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:16:36am

re: #57 MandyManners

Sorry, where are my Manners! :)

61 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:17:55am

Good Morning LGF.
I trust everyone is ready for the whining lefty spinfest that is certain to follow yesterday's election results.

62 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:19:14am

re: #58 Fenway_Nation


Wonder how the GOP will do in next years regular election in NY-23. That would tell a lot about the district, more than the clusterfuck this special election turned into.

63 sngnsgt  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:20:17am

re: #61 Spare O'Lake

Morning, they'll start with, "It's Bushs' fault."

64 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:21:23am

re: #61 Spare O'Lake

It has begun...apparently the Governorships of Virginia & NJ are completely unimportant.

/kinda like how being Governor of Texas was a do-nothing job that hardly qualified Bush for POTUS, whereas being governor of much larger and more populous states like Arkansas or Georgia were harder work and made Clinton and Carter better suited for the job...//

65 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:23:45am

re: #53 TheMatrix31

Well...there IS ACORN involvement rampant everywhere, so it's a legitimate complaint. Me? I don't give a shit about NY-23, I'm celebrating the ass beatings in VA and NJ.

I don't understand how it's a complaint, though. There's nothing wrong with promoting political causes. And as far as I'm aware, ACORN has little presence in upstate New York, and there haven't been any allegations of fraud leveled against anyone. What, exactly, is there to complain about?

I don't care for ACORN - see my many previous posts detailing my personal experience with them - but they're not "everywhere," they have no more influence in politics than any other political interest group, and even the allegations of fraud and misconduct are massively exaggerated.

I agree that the focus belonged elsewhere. Malkin, Beck, et all, however, decided to make the 23rd their Ground Zero - and got their asses handed to them.

As I said earlier, NJ is a welcome victory, but it isn't exactly earth shattering. If a damp dishtowel wasn't able to win against an incompetent corruptocrat like Corzine, it would bring shame to damp dishtowels everywhere.

VA is the closest thing to an actual referendum of sorts on Democratic policy, and early exit polling analyses seem to indicate that the continuing under-performing economy is taking it's toll on the party in power. The GOP could best capitolize on this by putting forward concrete economic plans and legislative counterproposals of it's own, to show that they are not only capable of saying "No!" but can also provide positive leadership on the issues. We'll see if they're able to build on that win over the next few weeks and months.

66 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:24:29am

.re: #64 Fenway_Nation

A Dem losing NJ should be huge news. Saddam Hussein could have run as a D in NJ and won.

67 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:25:18am

re: #63 sngnsgt

Morning, they'll start with, "It's Bushs' fault."

Dem default setting - blame Bush.

68 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:27:16am

re: #66 soxfan4life

Yea- I kinda had Corzine pegged as Joisey version of Mayor Daley.

'Sure he's a corrupt, unethical scumbag, but he's our corrupt unethical scumbag and he's not going anywhere'

69 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:27:49am

4 words- Robert Gibbs press confrence:)

70 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:27:49am

re: #62 soxfan4life

Wonder how the GOP will do in next years regular election in NY-23. That would tell a lot about the district, more than the clusterfuck this special election turned into.

They'll have to actually run a candidate to find out. One selected though the primary process, rather than by appointment.

At the moment, I don't think the party brand has been affected one way or the other; there's nothing blocking a GOP candidate from running and winning that seat. But things will still be at least a bit inflamed over the just-comleted special election.

71 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:28:40am

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

Corrupt, unethical, scumbag is just experience in the cesspool of NJ politics.

72 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:30:21am

re: #71 soxfan4life


Wonder if Pauly Walnuts was canvassing for Corzine.

73 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:31:04am

re: #66 soxfan4life

.

A Dem losing NJ should be huge news. Saddam Hussein could have run as a D in NJ and won.

The news over the last few weeks was that Corzine was doing as well as he was. His disastrous handling of the state's business, his massive corruption and his attempt to do everything but explicitly buy votes by throwing truckloads of money at his campaign have all generated very negative feelings among voters - and the press. A win by Corzine would have been bigger news than his loss, frankly; the actual results have been anticipated and telegraphed by the press for some time now.

74 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:31:44am

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

Speaking of special elections, what is happening in the Commonwealth and the replacement for Ted Kennedy? I know they bypassed the law and appointed a replacement, but I thought there still had to be a special election sometime soon.

75 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:32:01am

re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar

4 words- Robert Gibbs press confrence:)

Too early to scare the shit ouf of me.

76 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:33:23am

re: #75 MandyManners

Too early to scare the shit ouf of me.

The guy can't talk when he knows what he is saying. This is gonna be a language chop fest.

77 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:34:04am

Israel seized a container ship filled with weapons bound for Hizb'allah, including Katusha rockets.

78 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:34:22am

re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar

The guy can't talk when he knows what he is saying. This is gonna be a language chop fest.

I thought GWB was out of the White House.///

79 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:35:17am

re: #56 TheMatrix31

Only butthurt because we keep being fucked in the ass by Obama and Congress.

Misuse of the word, propagating the false notion it has something to do with sodomy. It does not. FYI.

80 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:35:30am

re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar

The guy can't talk when he knows what he is saying. This is gonna be a language chop fest.

Imagine trying to diagram his sentences.

81 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:37:13am

re: #73 SixDegrees


If it was such a foregone conclusion, why did the TOTUS himself go up there and campaign for Corzine?

Patterson's a lost cause and the TOTUS pretty much told him to f*ck off.

82 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:38:22am

re: #81 Fenway_Nation

If it was such a foregone conclusion, why did the TOTUS himself go up there and campaign for Corzine?

Patterson's a lost cause and the TOTUS pretty much told him to f*ck off.

I wonder if BHO sees this as a personal rebuke.

83 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:39:29am

re: #74 soxfan4life


I think that's coming up still- I'm seeing campaign ads on NESN, but they all seem to be for Dems- I'm not sure if it's for Kennedy's vacant seat or seats that are going to be contested in 2010 anyways.

84 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:40:34am

re: #83 Fenway_Nation

I think that's coming up still- I'm seeing campaign ads on NESN, but they all seem to be for Dems- I'm not sure if it's for Kennedy's vacant seat or seats that are going to be contested in 2010 anyways.

How's Christy Mihos doing on his run for Governor?

85 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:40:47am

re: #82 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO sees this as a personal rebuke.

If so he'll never say it publicly.

86 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:41:14am

re: #82 MandyManners

Addendum-

If Corzine's loss was such a foregone conclusion, why did the TOTUS procrastinate on meeting w/senior level commanders re; Afghanistan to campaign for Corzine?

87 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:42:18am

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

If so he'll never say it publicly.

I wonder if there will be any hints, be it from him or his people or through policy changes.

88 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:42:39am

re: #70 SixDegrees

They'll have to actually run a candidate to find out. One selected though the primary process, rather than by appointment.

At the moment, I don't think the party brand has been affected one way or the other; there's nothing blocking a GOP candidate from running and winning that seat. But things will still be at least a bit inflamed over the just-comleted special election.

The Dem victory should serve as a wake-up call to the GOP - a very clear message to nominate mainstream slightly-right-of-centre candidates, instead of socialistas like Scuzzafava or socons like Hoffman.

89 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:43:30am

re: #86 Fenway_Nation

It provided convenient cover? Why is he going to Wisconsin today to discuss healthcare? As much as he's running from him, McChrystal might very well catch Osama before he gets a commitment from Obama.

90 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:43:46am

re: #84 soxfan4life


Honestly- I don't know...

91 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:43:59am

re: #86 Fenway_Nation

Addendum-

If Corzine's loss was such a foregone conclusion, why did the TOTUS procrastinate on meeting w/senior level commanders re; Afghanistan to campaign for Corzine?

It's easier for him to do the latter since he's in perpetual campaign mode.

92 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:46:55am

re: #81 Fenway_Nation

If it was such a foregone conclusion, why did the TOTUS himself go up there and campaign for Corzine?

Because Corzine was obviously in trouble and needed all the help he could get. And unlike the current leadership in the GOP, 0bama - as de facto leader of the Democratic Party - seems to understand that every Democrat in office is an advantage to the party as a whole, and is willing to spend political capitol to fill as many positions with Democrats as possible.

That Corzine lost will take some of the wind out of 0bama's sails - but not much. He's actually up slightly in approval ratings over the last week or two; I doubt the NJ race will have much impact.

93 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:47:34am

Police clashed with supporters of Iran's opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi in Tehran on Wednesday when a rally marking the 30th anniversary of the storming of the U.S. embassy turned violent, witnesses said.

A reformist website, Mowjcamp, said police opened fire on protesters at Haft-e Tir square, but there was no independent confirmation. "Some people were injured," Mowjcamp reported.

Thousands of Iranian security forces had assembled on the streets of Tehran to prevent any opposition gathering.

SNIP

94 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:48:03am

re: #88 Spare O'Lake


Nobody explained to me exactly how a vote for Scozzafava would've been a vote for Cap & Trade, Card Check, 0bamacare, etc.

How would it have benefitted the GOP to run someone who would've rubber-stamped the Dems policy proposals?

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:48:45am

re: #73 SixDegrees

In retrospect, I'll bet Corzine is thinking... "I shouldn't have called the dude fat."

It couldn't have helped.

96 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:49:20am

re: #93 MandyManners


Wow...who could've guessed that would've turned violent?

/

97 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:49:58am

The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday that crucifixes should be removed from Italian classrooms, prompting Vatican anger and sparking uproar in Italy, where such icons are embedded in the national psyche.

"The ruling of the European court was received in the Vatican with shock and sadness," said Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi, adding that it was "wrong and myopic" to try to exclude a symbol of charity from education.

The ruling by the court in Strasbourg, which Italy said it would appeal, said crucifixes on school walls -- a common sight that is part of every Italian's life -- could disturb children who were not Christians.

SNIP

98 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:50:47am

Right on schedule, Hoffman backers are reworking the rhetoric: Losing Ny-23 is winning!

Hours before the polls closed, Hoffman backers were echoing the pundits’ spin–this race would be a referendum on President Obama, and a victory for Hoffman would put the brakes on health care reform by making Democrats worry about challenges to their re-elections in 2010. As a Hoffman victory became more and more remote, the rhetoric changed. The message became the message of two weeks ago. This election wasn’t about showing Republicans that conservatives could win. It was about showing Republicans that they couldn’t win without conservatives.

“People are fed up,” said Saranac Lake activist Russ Finley. “The Tea Party people are serious. The 9/12 people are serious. I’d hate to say that a loss is a good thing, but this is a good thing.”



Conservatives Rework Rhetoric After Loss in NY-23

99 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:50:58am

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well...now Corzine can speed off into the sunset/

100 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:51:28am
101 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:51:40am

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

The Dem victory should serve as a wake-up call to the GOP - a very clear message to nominate mainstream slightly-right-of-centre candidates, instead of socialistas like Scuzzafava or socons like Hoffman.

I agree. It remains to be seen whether that will happen, but I can hope.

The religious right - I can't call them socons, because they aren't even remotely Conservative - isn't going to learn from this or shut up, however. They're going to redouble their efforts. Historically, the party out of power makes gains in the midterms, and the rr is going to do everything it can to take credit for any gains and claim momentum so they can push their own candidates onto the ticket.

102 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:53:52am

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In retrospect, I'll bet Corzine is thinking... "I shouldn't have called the dude fat."

It couldn't have helped.

LOL.

103 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:54:16am

A 35-mile rift in the desert of Ethiopia will likely become a new ocean eventually, researchers now confirm.

The crack, 20 feet wide in spots, opened in 2005 and some geologists believed then that it would spawn a new ocean. But that view was controversial, and the rift had not been well studied.

A new study involving an international team of scientists and reported in the journal Geophysical Research Letters finds the processes creating the rift are nearly identical to what goes on at the bottom of oceans, further indication a sea is in the region's future.

The same rift activity is slowly parting the Red Sea, too.

SNIP

104 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:56:30am

re: #103 MandyManners

Global Warming!!

Climate Change!

105 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:57:00am

re: #94 Fenway_Nation

Nobody explained to me exactly how a vote for Scozzafava would've been a vote for Cap & Trade, Card Check, 0bamacare, etc.

How would it have benefitted the GOP to run someone who would've rubber-stamped the Dems policy proposals?

Well DeDe's hubby is a union guy, so that pretty much tells you how she would have voted as far as card check and Obamacare. Alot of those union health insurance plans are self funded and they are bleeding so much red ink they need Obamacare or they face going under.

106 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:57:53am

Body count up to 10 at home of Ohio rapist


A convicted rapist was charged with multiple murders on Tuesday after police dug up 10 corpses at his home, which produced a stench of death in the depressed Cleveland neighborhood.

Authorities searched the fetid property owned by Anthony Sowell with a backhoe, jackhammers, wall saws, and cadaver dogs. They planned to take the three-story house apart.

Four bodies were found in the back yard, while six others were discovered elsewhere on the property, including in the basement of the house. A skull wrapped in a paper bag in a bucket could be an eleventh victim.


SNIP

107 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:58:32am

re: #97 MandyManners

The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday that crucifixes should be removed from Italian classrooms, prompting Vatican anger and sparking uproar in Italy, where such icons are embedded in the national psyche.


SNIP

There has been a similar debate going on in Germany, where a Bavarian state law stipulates that each clasroom must display a crucifix.

But for chrissakes (literally) there are enough crucifixes on display in public places all over Europe, especially Italy, children aren't going to be affected either way if they are not present in every single school classroom.

108 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:58:32am

re: #104 Fenway_Nation

Global Warming!!

Climate Change!

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!

109 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:59:33am

re: #107 ralphieboy

There has been a similar debate going on in Germany, where a Bavarian state law stipulates that each clasroom must display a crucifix.

But for chrissakes (literally) there are enough crucifixes on display in public places all over Europe, especially Italy, children aren't going to be affected either way if they are not present in every single school classroom.

To me, that's not the point. Why not let Italians and Germans decide what they do in their countries? Fuck the EU.

110 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:00:01am

re: #105 soxfan4life

Well DeDe's hubby is a union guy, so that pretty much tells you how she would have voted as far as card check and Obamacare. Alot of those union health insurance plans are self funded and they are bleeding so much red ink they need Obamacare or they face going under.


Thanks...altho' I typo'ed.

Meant to say this:

a vote for Scozzafava would've been a vote for against Cap & Trade, Card Check, 0bamacare, etc.

111 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:00:42am

re: #98 iceweasel

Where's the rhetoric about NJ and VA getting rocked?

112 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:01:54am

re: #106 MandyManners

Isn't it time we withdrew from Cleveland?

/

113 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:01:58am

re: #111 TheMatrix31

Where's the rhetoric about NJ and VA getting rocked?

Shh! Stop harshing the buzz, man.

114 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:02:23am

re: #111 TheMatrix31

Those races aren't important. You silly butthurt conservative you.///

115 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:03:11am

Rhode Island is now the last state in the country to ban prostitution.

Last Wednesday and Thursday the Rhode Island House and Senate voted respectively to close an almost 30-year loophole in the state’s law that banned prostitution outdoors, but allowed it indoors. Rhode Island has long been the only state in the country in which prostitution was legal, along with parts of Nevada.

The bill would make solicitation a misdemeanor offense, regardless of where it occurs. Prostitutes would face a maximum six-month prison sentence for a first offense, while their customers could face up to a year. Landlords who knowingly allow prostitution could face up to five years in prison and $5,000 fines.

SNIP

116 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:04:26am

Am I the only one who thinks Corzine looks like a moonbat professor of English lit.?

117 soxfan4life  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:04:52am

re: #106 MandyManners

He might be right there with Chicago native John Wayne Gacy.

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:05:06am

re: #99 Fenway_Nation

Well...now Corzine can speed off into the sunset/

Maybe this time he'll wear his seat belt.

The jerk.

119 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:05:42am

re: #117 soxfan4life

He might be right there with Chicago native John Wayne Gacy.

They've not finished searching.

120 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:06:17am

re: #116 MandyManners

All those assholes look exactly the same.

121 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:06:28am

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe this time he'll wear his seat belt.

The jerk.

Wasn't a Corzine staffer busted recently for having Ecstasy in a campaign car?

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:06:43am

re: #109 MandyManners

To me, that's not the point. Why not let Italians and Germans decide what they do in their countries? Fuck the EU.

The case against school crucifixes in Bavaria was brought by an immigrant as well. And it is the EU Constitution that guarantees, like the US Constitution, the separation of Church and State and ensures religious neutrality.

This never used to be a topic of discussion: italy was almost entirely Catholic, Germany was equally divided between Lutherans and Catholics, but that picture is changing. There are inner-city schools where the majority of the pupils are not Christians.

From where I live I can see a twelve-foot tall crucifix on the hillside out my living room window, there are two even larger ones farther down the hillside, and a Catholic Church 300 yards down the road. There will be no lack of crucifixes or reminders of Europe's Christian heritage if crucifixes are removed from classrooms.

123 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:07:29am

re: #111 TheMatrix31

Where's the rhetoric about NJ and VA getting rocked?

Lots of people were wondering last night how the tea partiers were going to interpret or spin the NY-23 loss, and what message the GOP would draw from it, including on this thread. Hence posting Weigel's take on it (he was there covering it).

124 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:07:38am

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Well...by 'sunset', I meant 'reenforced concrete wall'

/

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:10:21am

Funny thing happened to me this morning... 5am standing in lobby of hotel in Fredericksburg, VA... guy was getting coffee wondering where the donuts were.

Front desk guy says, "Young Republicans just left a few minutes ago, they were hungry."
Other guy says, "I met a guy in the bar last night who said he was a campaign manager? These were Young Republicans?"
Front desk guys says, "Who do you think campaign managers screw?"

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:10:59am

re: #124 Fenway_Nation

Ahem... we wish him health and happiness.

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:12:06am

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, maybe it was because it was five A.M., but I thought it was frickin' hysterical!

128 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:12:26am

Link to a story I mentioned earlier.

Israel said on Wednesday its navy intercepted in the Mediterranean a container ship carrying rockets destined for Lebanon's Iranian-backed Hezbollah group and took the vessel to an Israeli port.

Israeli media reports said the weaponry was supplied by Iran.

"There were Katyusha (rockets), whose purpose is to hit civilians," Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai told Army Radio.

He did not give any quantities, saying the ship was still being unloaded in Israel and voicing doubt its crew knew munitions were on aboard.

Asked if the weaponry had been earmarked for Hezbollah, Vilnai said: "Yes. It strengthens (the group) and improves its long-range firing capability into Israel."


SNIP

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:12:49am

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just like our President. I wish him a long and healthy retirement.

130 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:13:02am

re: #123 iceweasel

Well, I'm wondering what the spin from the left is after they got their asses handed to them in Virginia and lost a hardcore blue calling card in New Jersey.

131 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:13:54am

re: #122 ralphieboy

The case against school crucifixes in Bavaria was brought by an immigrant as well. And it is the EU Constitution that guarantees, like the US Constitution, the separation of Church and State and ensures religious neutrality.

This never used to be a topic of discussion: italy was almost entirely Catholic, Germany was equally divided between Lutherans and Catholics, but that picture is changing. There are inner-city schools where the majority of the pupils are not Christians.

From where I live I can see a twelve-foot tall crucifix on the hillside out my living room window, there are two even larger ones farther down the hillside, and a Catholic Church 300 yards down the road. There will be no lack of crucifixes or reminders of Europe's Christian heritage if crucifixes are removed from classrooms.

Again, that's not the point. Giving up national sovereignity is the piont.

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:14:37am
133 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:15:45am

re: #130 TheMatrix31

Well, I'm wondering what the spin from the left is after they got their asses handed to them in Virginia and lost a hardcore blue calling card in New Jersey.

*crickets*

134 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:18:00am

re: #130 TheMatrix31

Well, I'm wondering what the spin from the left is after they got their asses handed to them in Virginia and lost a hardcore blue calling card in New Jersey.

It's weird that they'll be ending 2009 by further consolidating a Congressional majority.
But as Six Degrees said here, the Corzine loss was known to be coming. Personally I agree with his estimate of it there.
Thanos has some good links up in spinoffs about it all too (there's one from the hill)
As for the official lefty spin, dunno, haven't had my fax from Leftie HQ yet. :)

135 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:18:19am

Well...later, all. I was going to post a blog entry marking the 'grim milestone' of the 1-year anniv. of TOTUs' election. But it's late and I'm getting sleepy- so I'll try and post whem I'm more awake and alert.

But besides 0bamacare, cap & trade, card check, the stimulus, the Gates/Crowley fiasco, dithering on Afghanistan, high unemployment, the war against Fox news, the remaining sycophantic media outlets, skyrocketing commodity prices, a plummeting dollar, nationalizaion of banks, automakers and insurance companies, unelected left-wing hacks being appointed to various 'czar' positions and out of control spending- what do I have to complain about?/

136 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:18:39am

re: #133 MandyManners

*crickets*

Sorry I didn't type fast enough for you; lots going on today!

137 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:19:12am
138 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:20:53am

re: #135 Fenway_Nation

Good night, man.

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:21:48am

re: #136 iceweasel

Sorry I didn't type fast enough for you; lots going on today!

That Soros conference call?
/

140 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:22:24am

Atlanta Councilwoman Mary Norwood and state Senator Kasim Reed were headed for a Dec. 1 runoff after neither received more than half the votes cast for six candidates vying for mayor of Georgia’s largest city.

Norwood collected 46 percent of the votes with 69 percent of precincts reporting and Reed had 37 percent, according to the Associated Press’s election Web site. Lisa Borders, president of the city council, was third with 14 percent.

Both leaders said they want to restore Atlanta’s police and fire departments, where the previous mayor, Shirley Franklin, eliminated jobs to close a $140 million deficit projected for fiscal 2010. Norwood and Reed also said they want to avoid new taxes after Franklin boosted property rates to add $55 million in the $541 million budget for the year that began July 1.

SNIP

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:23:32am

re: #140 MandyManners

Been a long time since "Whitey's" been mayor of Atlanta.

That's the story on Drudge.

142 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:23:32am

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #130 TheMatrix31

Oh, this pretty much sums up both sides today...

heh. True dat. Same as it ever was.

Have fun today Lizard Nation!
Some appropriate Ella Fitzgerald/Gershwin to start it off with:
The radio and the telephone
And the movies that we know
May just be passing fancies,
And in time may go !

But, oh my dear,
Our love is here to stay.

Our Love is Here to Stay.

143 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:24:14am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Been a long time since "Whitey's" been mayor of Atlanta.

That's the story on Drudge.

I had no idea about the color involved.

144 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:24:29am

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That Soros conference call?
/

That's scheduled for later. :)
Bye FBV! Have a great day all--

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:25:17am

re: #131 MandyManners

Again, that's not the point. Giving up national sovereignity is the piont.

There are arguments for and against the EU Constitution, just as there were arguments for or against the Confederate States of America.

But the EU Constitution guarantees freedom of travel, residence, trade and basic human rights throughout Europe, and makes another European among its members almost entirely impossible.

And member states can opt out of it any time they want.

146 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:26:02am

"another Eropean war" was missing from that one

147 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:26:29am

re: #145 ralphieboy

There are arguments for and against the EU Constitution, just as there were arguments for or against the Confederate States of America.

Oh, please. Utter rot.

148 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:27:46am

When was modern Europe a federation?

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:33:27am

re: #147 MandyManners

There are arguments for and against the EU Constitution, just as there were arguments for or against the Confederate States of America.

Oh, please. Utter rot.


Granted, poorly phrased. I meant that the US fought a war to determine the extent to which a central authority could impose its rule over member states. The EU is an attempt to resolve that question peacefully.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:34:42am

re: #143 MandyManners

I had no idea about the color involved.

For decades as white residents fled to the suburbs, Atlanta's black political establishment, led by a string of strong mayors, revived the moribund economy and so revamped the city's image that it earned a national reputation as "Hotlanta."

snip...

151 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:35:15am

re: #149 ralphieboy

Granted, poorly phrased. I meant that the US fought a war to determine the extent to which a central authority could impose its rule over member states. The EU is an attempt to resolve that question peacefully.

The states were already united before the Civil War. The nations of Europe were never united in modern times.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:35:16am

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here's the story...

153 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:35:57am

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess I blipped over that part.

154 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:38:50am

re: #151 MandyManners

The states were already united before the Civil War. The nations of Europe were never united in modern times.


No, but the states of Europe are uniting in that they are adopting a common currency, a common Constitution and a common Bill of Rights.

A large step over the Europe of 70 years ago.

155 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:40:04am

Well, Hoffman proved he's not a RINO, Republican in National Office.

156 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:41:13am

A vice president for UPS has been put on leave after being accused of rape by a woman in Bloomington, Ind.

Mark W. Samoline, 50, of Duluth, was accused of raping a 21-year-old woman in Bloomington, Ind., on Oct. 18, said Capt. Joe Qualters, a spokesman for the Bloomington Police Department. Samoline told detectives the sex was consensual, said Qualters, and has pleaded not guilty to Class B felony rape charges. He turned himself in to Bloomington police Monday and posted bail.

SNIP

UPS put Samoline on leave, Black said, pending an internal investigation. The company

has not yet decided if he will be paid during the leave, Black said.

SNIP

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:41:23am

re: #153 MandyManners

I find it funny, deeper into the story...


Black mayors have occupied City Hall since 1973, but this year, a white City Council member is leading in the polls, even though two black civic leaders urged black voters to unite against her.

Whew! I'm glad that's not racism.

158 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:42:25am

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I find it funny, deeper into the story...


Whew! I'm glad that's not racism.

Siwwy Bastard. It's only racism when white folks discriminate.

159 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:42:29am

re: #123 iceweasel

Lots of people were wondering last night how the tea partiers were going to interpret or spin the NY-23 loss, and what message the GOP would draw from it, including on this thread. Hence posting Weigel's take on it (he was there covering it).

There are a lot of lessons to be learned from ceding a 100-year Republican seat over to the D's, especially in this political climate. They should learn that the locals know best, that New York voters are not Mississippi voters, and that you cannot increase your vote totals by driving reasonable people out of your coalition.

But I expect them to put their fingers in their ears and scream "ACORN ACORN ACORN."

160 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:45:31am

re: #106 MandyManners

Body count up to 10 at home of Ohio rapist

Insert Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young here.

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:47:50am

re: #160 negativ

Huh?

162 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:48:54am

With any luck, Sarah and Glenn will come to TX and weave some of their magic into Rick Perry's re-election campaign.

163 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:48:58am

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Huh?


I think he/she was going for "4 dead in Ohio." I might be wrong.

164 razorbacker  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:49:12am

re: #160 negativ

What gave me pause was the report that neighbors had written off the foul odor as coming from a near-by sausage factory.

I'd like to know the name of that factory, so that I might be sure to avoid their products in the future.

165 gregb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:52:03am

Lol...quote of the morning. "All politicians should be limited to two terms. One in office, one in prison."

166 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:52:06am

re: #159 Soundboard Fez

There are a lot of lessons to be learned from ceding a 100-year Republican seat over to the D's, especially in this political climate. They should learn that the locals know best, that New York voters are not Mississippi voters, and that you cannot increase your vote totals by driving reasonable people out of your coalition.

But I expect them to put their fingers in their ears and scream "ACORN ACORN ACORN."

True, the diabolical ACORN conspirators will again be the most popular scapegoats, but the Beckistas will undoubtedly reserve a lot of the blame for dastardly RINO saboteurs as well.

167 gregb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:54:50am

re: #159 Soundboard Fez

There are a lot of lessons to be learned from ceding a 100-year Republican seat over to the D's, especially in this political climate. They should learn that the locals know best, that New York voters are not Mississippi voters, and that you cannot increase your vote totals by driving reasonable people out of your coalition.

But I expect them to put their fingers in their ears and scream "ACORN ACORN ACORN."

We had the same happen here for a seat in Orange County with the Sanchez sisters. Them Dems back east seem to win elections by nominating ex-military folks.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:56:16am

re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar

I go for jokes a lot, sometimes inappropriately... That's about Kent State, this is about a murdering rapist... neither are funny. Kent State is one of those things that decades later... still not funny.

This guy'll have John Wayne Gacy jokes about him soon enough. But, right now? Too soon...

169 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:56:20am

Reprocessing of nuclear fuel rods proceeds in North Korea. If you can believe the Norks' twitter feed, that is.

170 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:57:17am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Agreed.

171 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:57:56am

re: #166 shiplord kirel

As a rational person, I'm racking my brain to figure out how ACORN could have amassed such power to be basically running a shadow government, and control the outcome of every election that Republicans lose.

And on a budget of $100M too. That's less than half of my employer's, and our headquarters are in a dumpy industrial park. Pretty amazing.

I went to bed early in a pessimistic mood, and was very giddy to awake to the news to Christie beat Corzine, and Hoffman got spanked. Plus the Thrashers won. Gonna be a good day I think.

172 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:58:51am

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

10 dead in O-hi-o...

173 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 4:59:15am

re: #160 negativ

Insert Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young here.

Huh?

174 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:00:10am

re: #172 negativ

*WHACK*

Oh, for fuck's sake. Serial rape and murder ain't nothing to joke about.

175 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:01:06am

Man, I got some serious shorts in my sand.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:02:05am

re: #175 MandyManners

Man, I got some serious shorts in my sand.

"And they look MAHVELOUS DAHLING!"

177 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:02:07am

*sigh* Sand in my shorts. Whatever.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:02:48am

re: #177 MandyManners

*sigh* Sand in my shorts. Whatever.

(those look good too)

179 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:06:30am

re: #171 Soundboard Fez

As a rational person, I'm racking my brain to figure out how ACORN could have amassed such power to be basically running a shadow government, and control the outcome of every election that Republicans lose.

And on a budget of $100M too. That's less than half of my employer's, and our headquarters are in a dumpy industrial park. Pretty amazing.

I went to bed early in a pessimistic mood, and was very giddy to awake to the news to Christie beat Corzine, and Hoffman got spanked. Plus the Thrashers won. Gonna be a good day I think.

It has to be some of that sekrit alien mind control technology they back-engineered from the Roswell UFO. How ACORN managed to deploy this so effectively when even Karl Rove couldn't get it remains a mystery however.

180 albusteve  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:14:30am

the One Page Health Care Reform Proposal is getting a bit of traction...
[Link: www.smallbill.org...]

181 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:16:18am

re: #177 MandyManners

*sigh* Sand in my shorts. Whatever.

Got our tang tongueled up, have we?

182 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:21:45am

re: #180 albusteve

the One Page Health Care Reform Proposal is getting a bit of traction...
[Link: www.smallbill.org...]

That's ALL we fucking need.

183 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:22:11am

The Counter-ACORN: American Conservatives obliterating RINOs Nationwide!!!

184 Spider Mensch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:23:18am

re: #154 ralphieboy

No, but the states of Europe are uniting in that they are adopting a common currency, a common Constitution and a common Bill of Rights.

A large step over the Europe of 70 years ago.

in away I miss old europe..traveling around figuring how many of my french francs eqauled a dollar and how many lira I would end up with when I went from france into italy and changed my francs for Lira...lol...hmmm I have 50 francs which was about 8 usd..but when i get to italy I'll have like over 100,000 Lira! wow enough for a couple of beer peroni's and a plate of spagats and meatballs at mama's in naples...lol..ah the good old days!

185 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:25:15am

This date in 1980 - Ronald Reagan elected President of the United States.

186 albusteve  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:27:36am

In the run-up to the 2010 midterm elections, they don’t want to be forced to vote on climate change, immigration reform and gays in the military, which they say should be set aside so Congress can focus on jobs and the economy.

“It’s hard; the most important issue in front of us is the economy right now, and that’s where most of us really want to stay focused, the economy and jobs, that’s what our constituency is concerned about,” said Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D), who is facing a tough race next year in Arkansas.

[Link: thehill.com...]

do nothing and maybe they can save their necks?...

187 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:28:25am

re: #184 Spider Mensch

in away I miss old europe..traveling around figuring how many of my french francs eqauled a dollar and how many lira I would end up with when I went from france into italy and changed my francs for Lira...lol...hmmm I have 50 francs which was about 8 usd..but when i get to italy I'll have like over 100,000 Lira! wow enough for a couple of beer peroni's and a plate of spagats and meatballs at mama's in naples...lol..ah the good old days!

It's probably worth billions in Zimbabwean dollars.

188 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:29:08am

re: #185 TheMatrix31

This date in 1980 - Ronald Reagan elected President of the United States.

:)

189 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:31:32am

Morning lizards. Looks like I missed some interesting craziness yesterday.

190 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:32:07am

re: #188 NJDhockeyfan

If only I was around, haha.

191 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:34:47am
192 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:37:58am

re: #190 TheMatrix31

If only I was around, haha.

I served under Ronald Reagan. I miss him tremendously.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:44:16am

Reid Suggests Health Care Reform May Not Come This Year

Asked if health care reform legislation will pass this year, Senate Majority leader Harry Reid told reporters today that "we're not going to be bound by any timelines."

"We need to do the best job we can for the American people," he said. "We want quality legislation, and we're going to do that."

President Obama had set a deadline of the end of the year to pass health care reform, and advocates fear that further delay could hamper the legislation's chance of passage.

"We're going to do this legislation as expeditiously as we can, but we're going to do it as fairly as we can, also," Reid said. He later added that the Senate Democratic Caucus wants "Democrats to do this the right way, not the fast way."

194 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:45:04am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

Thaaat's a shame

/Seinfeld

195 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:49:52am

Congress Approves $500 Billion For Monument To Human Folly

WASHINGTON—In recognition of mankind's inherent propensity for tragically foolish decisions, Congress allocated nearly $500 billion Monday for the construction of a new national monument honoring human folly.

"From Hannibal's disastrous crossing of the Alps to Custer's humiliating defeat at Little Bighorn, human history has been plagued by senseless mistakes, and it is high time we built a memorial to honor that history," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said of the expensive and ill-advised monument. "My deepest hope is that future generations of Americans will one day look upon this pointless edifice and be filled with a sense of awe and wonder at mankind's utter lack of foresight."

"To think of all the ways our time and money could have been better spent," Pelosi continued. "I can imagine no more fitting tribute."

According to the bipartisan plan, the proposed monument will be built precariously over a Washington freeway overpass, and will require as many as 30 years of grueling labor to complete. As a representation of humanity's failure to learn from past mistakes, the project is being designed by the architecture firm of Ganz & Weiss, best known for their work on a series of dangerously constructed St. Louis public housing projects that were condemned in the late 1990s.

"Our goal is to create a structure that, like the human race itself, is doomed from the outset and plagued by innate flaws that can never be corrected," Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) said of the monument, which he claimed would eventually sink into the federally protected wetlands that surround it. "Not only will it be an aesthetic disaster, but it will also require constant, expensive maintenance just to ensure that the whole foundation doesn't topple suddenly and kill hundreds of innocent people."

...


/satire

196 SixDegrees  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:50:27am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

Reid Suggests Health Care Reform May Not Come This Year

Reid was seen later that afternoon on a bicycle, furiously peddaling backward after leaving the White House woodshed.

197 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:53:06am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

It's probably worth billions in Zimbabwean dollars.

I do miss the Dutch currency most of all: they had Guilders in bright blue for 10, pink for 25, tan for 100 and yellow for 250.

And strange coins: a tiny little dime that would fall into the cracks between a paving stone and a 2-1/2 Guilder piece the size of a pizza.

But I assure you, it was a pain in the butt having to change (and lose money on the deal) every time you crossed a border.

198 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 5:57:38am

re: #189 thedopefishlives
I make it a point to bring "Crazy" with me where ever I go!
What's in your wallet...kinda thing!

199 Spider Mensch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:02:37am

re: #197 ralphieboy

I do miss the Dutch currency most of all: they had Guilders in bright blue for 10, pink for 25, tan for 100 and yellow for 250.

And strange coins: a tiny little dime that would fall into the cracks between a paving stone and a 2-1/2 Guilder piece the size of a pizza.

But I assure you, it was a pain in the butt having to change (and lose money on the deal) every time you crossed a border.

I remember the guilder..I still have about 30 guilders..a 25 and a 5 I think. I have a jar full of old currency from my travels abroad, every once in awhile I come across it and spill it out and go through it, it brings back memories...especially the guilders..lol...Amsterdam..red light district...window girls, hash parlors...when I was young , senseless, fearless and not a worry in the world...lol

200 Joetheplumber  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:02:55am

re: #195 NJDhockeyfan

Congress Approves $500 Billion For Monument To Human Folly


/satire

Enjoyed that. You needn't have put the /satire at the end.

201 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:04:29am

re: #197 ralphieboy

re: #199 Spider Mensch

I'm 100% Dutch...
All your Guilders are belong to me!!
LOL

202 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:09:18am

re: #196 SixDegrees

Reid was seen later that afternoon on a bicycle, furiously peddaling backward after leaving the White House woodshed.

Nice one Harry.

"It's been a great opportunity to work with the white whore"

203 Spider Mensch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:11:41am

re: #201 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #199 Spider Mensch

I'm 100% Dutch...
All your Guilders are belong to me!!
LOL

do you get to go back to Netherlands often? I always liked your country. I haven't been there in years, all my trips now are either Austria or Germany because of family. maybe one of the future trips I'll get back over to the Netherlands for a few days.

204 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:14:54am

Nothing beats getting a root canal to start out your birthday, at least it went pretty quickly...sigh. :(

This is going to be a long day, at 11:30 I have to take dad to the hospital for a PET scan, so we will be there for at least three hours. Oh well, at least I know the day has to get better after that...right?

/knocks on closest available wood.

205 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:22:16am

re: #204 ausador

Nothing beats getting a root canal to start out your birthday, at least it went pretty quickly...sigh. :(

This is going to be a long day, at 11:30 I have to take dad to the hospital for a PET scan, so we will be there for at least three hours. Oh well, at least I know the day has to get better after that...right?

/knocks on closest available wood.

{ausador}
I hope your day gets better.

Is today your birthday?

206 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:35:41am

A great day for the conservative movement yesterday! Even Hoffman almost pulled it off. Woo Hoo!

207 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:35:56am

Yes, I turned...err...older today. :)

Thank you for the hug, this is not my ideal of how to spend ones birthday so far, but it will get better once I get dad taken care of. I just hope they find something fixable, the endless round of doctors visits and tests is getting old.

208 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:37:58am

re: #61 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
I trust everyone is ready for the whining lefty spinfest that is certain to follow yesterday's election results.

Here's my lefty spin:

Would like to have seen continued gains in VA, but it was a long shot.
Corzine got what he deserved.
NY23 is a triumph for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

If I can only have one, I got the one I want.

209 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:41:51am

re: #205 reine.de.tout

My favorite birthday sarc that I always send to relatives and friends on their 'big day.'

Image: PBF032-Todays_My_Birthday.gif

/cruel yet funny.

210 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:42:33am

Quote of the day "The 1900 page health care bill is now pulp"

211 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:43:29am

re: #210 filetandrelease

Quote of the day "The 1900 page health care bill is now pulp"

Wouldn't that be nice.

212 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:44:38am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

Reid Suggests Health Care Reform May Not Come This Year

...So Reid has a chance in hell to get re-elected, Reid is promising Nevada that it can opt-out of this pile of government strangulation and madness.
You know- because 2000 pages of big government garbage is good enough for you, but if Reid needs out to save his bacon... well, you get the idea.

213 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:46:50am

re: #211 thedopefishlives

Wouldn't that be nice.

You can be sure the blue dogs will running for the hills.

214 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:47:53am

re: #210 filetandrelease

Quote of the day "The 1900 page health care bill is now pulp"

But, but, that will disappoint the faith healers and magic crystal people who want to get paid by the government for their services. We can't allow that to happen...

//

215 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:48:08am

re: #213 filetandrelease

You can be sure the blue dogs will running for the hills.

How many blue dogs do you suppose will have Obama campain for them?

216 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:49:06am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

How many blue dogs do you suppose will have Obama campain for them?

Hehe, it worked so well in NJ...

217 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:52:49am

Yahoo front page news has nothing about elections. Interesting.
Corzine (D), the jackass leftist who bought his way into politics, has just been sent packing by one of the bluest states.

Heh.

218 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:53:09am

re: #142 iceweasel

heh. True dat. Same as it ever was.

Have fun today Lizard Nation!
Some appropriate Ella Fitzgerald/Gershwin to start it off with:
The radio and the telephone
And the movies that we know
May just be passing fancies,
And in time may go !

But, oh my dear,
Our love is here to stay.

[Video]Our Love is Here to Stay.

Nice :)

219 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:53:14am

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Here's my lefty spin:
NY23 is a triumph for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

That is just super, man.

220 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:53:47am

Morning all.

Police set up roadblocks in central Israel following terror alert

Police were blocking roads in the Sharon area in central Israel following warnings that a terror attack might be perpetrated, Wednesday afternoon.

Police officers set up roadblocks and were inspecting vehicles at entries to cities and on main junctions.

Magen David Adom also instructed its paramedics to raise their level of alert to the highest.

The number of ambulances and paramedics at the ready has been consequently doubled.

221 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:53:50am

Reid is toast come the 2010 election anyway, both the leading Republican candidates are leading him in the polls already. Whichever one wins the primary will should have no problem with him in the general election.

You'd think he would go ahead and fall on his sword by pushing healthcare harder, it isn't like it can hurt him any.

222 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:55:26am

re: #217 FrogMarch

Yahoo front page news has nothing about elections. Interesting.
Corzine (D), the jackass leftist who bought his way into politics, has just been sent packing by one of the bluest states.

Heh.

That is probably one of the best things I've heard in a long, long time. Perhaps there's a semblance of voter awareness returning to this country. I've long said that people who pay attention and are informed on the issues are the keystone of our electoral system.

223 badger1970  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:58:02am

re: #221 ausador

I don't think Reid is as honorable as Cato when coming to falling on said sword and ripping entrails out.

224 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:59:15am

re: #221 ausador

I don't think Reid has a sword.

225 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:59:16am

Mornin all, I have just enough time to say "hey"

226 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 6:59:18am

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Here's my spin. Obama's coattails are in tatters, and his judgment in supporting Corzine was misguided. There was so much palpable dislike (hatred) in NJ for Corzine that people turning out for the Corzine-Obama rallies were really there for Obama, not Corzine. No amount of money was going to get people to vote for Corzine.

Yet, Obama could have helped across the river in NYC, where Bill Thompson nearly pulled off the biggest upset in recent history. He came close to taking out Bloomberg, who spent nearly $100 million (to less than 10% of that amount spent by Thompson). It came down to GOTV efforts, and had Obama done at least a campaign stop for Thompson, it might have invigorated Thompson's efforts.

It clearly sets Thompson up for a run in 4 years time.

NY-23 will have limited impact nationally; the mess was caused by the State GOP and they have to clean up their act in a serious way if they want to regain the seat in a year. This was a special election, so turnout was lighter than usual. GOTV efforts played a role there as well.

227 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:01:02am

re: #223 badger1970

I don't think Reid is as honorable as Cato when coming to falling on said sword and ripping entrails out.

Hairy Reed makes me laugh.

228 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:02:11am

Good morning, folks, from a chilly yet bright day in the sprawls of DC.

So now, there was a sweep in the VA elections yesterday. It appears the top spots in the gubernatorial race were swept by the Republican party. I can't much say that I'm surprised by this result. After heavy endorsements for the Democratic side, the GOP just walked right over them.

It's going to be an interesting couple of years here.

229 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:07:59am

re: #226 lawhawk

Here's my spin. Obama's coattails are in tatters, and his judgment in supporting Corzine was misguided. There was so much palpable dislike (hatred) in NJ for Corzine that people turning out for the Corzine-Obama rallies were really there for Obama, not Corzine. No amount of money was going to get people to vote for Corzine.

Yet, Obama could have helped across the river in NYC, where Bill Thompson nearly pulled off the biggest upset in recent history. He came close to taking out Bloomberg, who spent nearly $100 million (to less than 10% of that amount spent by Thompson). It came down to GOTV efforts, and had Obama done at least a campaign stop for Thompson, it might have invigorated Thompson's efforts.

It clearly sets Thompson up for a run in 4 years time.

NY-23 will have limited impact nationally; the mess was caused by the State GOP and they have to clean up their act in a serious way if they want to regain the seat in a year. This was a special election, so turnout was lighter than usual. GOTV efforts played a role there as well.

We agree in part. I wish Pres. Obama had not wasted mana on NJ.
NY23 was not a local election. It was a proxy war.

Charlie Crist wins in NY23.

230 soundboard fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:09:16am

re: #228 MrSilverDragon

McDonnell's not my favorite, but it was a huge relief to see that VA has not crossed irrevocably into blue territory.

231 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:09:37am

heheh.
Text message from my daughter:

"I need $15 for t shits for spanish club"

I think $15 for a t-shit is a little high.

232 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:10:14am

re: #231 reine.de.tout

heheh.
Text message from my daughter:


I think $15 for a t-shit is a little high.

Is it in english?

233 bosforus  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:10:23am

Morning, lizards. Has most of the heat died down from last night?

234 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:10:32am

re: #231 reine.de.tout

heheh.
Text message from my daughter:

I think $15 for a t-shit is a little high.

Mierda.

235 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:10:54am

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is it in english?

supposed to be.

236 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:11:41am

re: #233 bosforus

Morning, lizards. Has most of the heat died down from last night?

Mornin', bosforus.
Seems to have settled down.
It usually does. For awhile.

237 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:12:32am

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is it in english?

Oh, you mean is the t-shit in English?
I reckon not.

238 bosforus  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #236 reine.de.tout

Mornin', bosforus.
Seems to have settled down.
It usually does. For awhile.

Oh goody. And while we're (well, some of you, not me) on the subject of mana and Spanish, I give you Maná Very good song, with fun lyrics... in Spanish.
se me olvido otra vez

239 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:14:39am

re: #237 reine.de.tout

Oh, you mean is the t-shit in English?
I reckon not.

A local high school down here sold millennium Tshirts in 1999. They spelled millennium wrong. My rival school. Heh.

240 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:14:59am

re: #222 thedopefishlives

That is probably one of the best things I've heard in a long, long time. Perhaps there's a semblance of voter awareness returning to this country. I've long said that people who pay attention and are informed on the issues are the keystone of our electoral system.

It also helps to have relatively decent and electable candidates. It seems pushing the economy off the edge with the promise of unfriendly and restrictive government regulations and high job-killing tax rates is not a recipe for success. Enter stage left: the fawning press. Politicians can proudly proclaim they have "created or saved" so many jobs (with government funds), or that they will not add to the deficit (when they already have), or that taxation will not hit the middle class (oh no - just tax those evil job-created rich people) , but if it's a lie, I sincerely hope the electorate will throw the bums out.

241 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:16:09am

OT

Five British soldiers in Afghanistan were shot dead by a "rogue" Afghan policeman.

242 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:16:57am

What's more telling than NY-23 (apparently the power seat of world sovereignty), VA and NJ, is that liberal Westchester County (home of the Clinton's and other NY elites) went GOP pretty much across the board. Same with Nassau County - and the guy essentially ran unchallenged.

243 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:18:38am

re: #241 J.S.

OT

Five British soldiers in Afghanistan were shot dead by a "rogue" Afghan policeman.

Damn it.

That sh*t happened in Israel the day the second Intifada started.

Joint patrol. The Pali police turned on the Israelis.

May they rest in peace and their blood avenged.

244 akarra  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:20:01am

Good morning all. Just searching the comments for interesting links. How is everyone?

245 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:20:48am

Maine Voters Reject Gay Marriage Law


PORTLAND, Maine -- Voters in the northeastern state of Maine repealed a state law that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.

Gay marriage has now lost in every single state -- 31 in all -- in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine -- known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate -- and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.

Wow.

And you thought New England was Scandinavia.

246 badger1970  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:20:52am

re: #243 Ben Hur

We are talking about once-Great Britain. Stern words and a talking down too would be in order.

May G-d bless those fighting to protect the innocent from evil.

247 akarra  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:21:17am

re: #225 RogueOne

Mornin all, I have just enough time to say "hey"

*waves*

Hope all is well - hope the busyness isn't terribly stressful.

248 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:21:58am

Here's some fuzzy Obamamath.

I know it sounds impossible to quantify jobs saved, but President Obama contends that he can.

But just as incredibly, the Associated Press figured out a way to check that “fact.”

Apparently, giving someone a pay raise is counted as a job saved.

I suppose giving a person a pay raise does mean his job is safe.

Much easier to discredit was the president’s claim that he saved 935 at the Southwest Georgia Community Action Council.

The council employs 508 people.

Heh.

249 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:22:23am

I've had entirely too much coffee this morning.

I'm wigging.

BBIAB before a set my keyboard on fire.

250 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:23:19am

re: #249 Ben Hur

I've had entirely too much coffee this morning.

I'm wigging.

BBIAB before a set my keyboard on fire.

Burn one to offset the coffee.
//

251 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:23:46am

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

a "mainstreamer" would still have faced teaparty challenge.

252 filetandrelease  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:23:59am

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

Burn one to offset the coffee.
//

Wake and bake

253 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:24:08am

re: #241 J.S.

OT

Five British soldiers in Afghanistan were shot dead by a "rogue" Afghan policeman.

This British hero was killed during what was to be his final mission before taking leave.

254 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:25:16am

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #252 filetandrelease

Wake and bake

I was just writing that!

Would love to, but can't.

Work, and all.

255 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:26:00am

Morning everyone. I guess, being a lizard, I should have watched V last night, but I skipped it. Never saw the original series either. I'm still on season 3 of The 4400. Maybe after that I'll start Galactica or Firefly (or Serenity - I forget which comes first.)

256 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:26:03am
257 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:27:58am

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee

Morning everyone. I guess, being a lizard, I should have watched V last night, but I skipped it. Never saw the original series either. I'm still on season 3 of The 4400. Maybe after that I'll start Galactica or Firefly (or Serenity - I forget which comes first.)

I don't think the WH is going to like 'V'.

'V' aims at Obamamania

Imagine this. At a time of political turmoil, a charismatic, telegenic new leader arrives virtually out of nowhere. He offers a message of hope and reconciliation based on compromise and promises to marshal technology for a better future that will include universal health care.

The news media swoons in admiration -- one simpering anchorman even shouts at a reporter who asks a tough question: "Why don't you show some respect?!" The public is likewise smitten, except for a few nut cases who circulate batty rumors on the Internet about the leader's origins and intentions. The leader, undismayed, offers assurances that are soothing, if also just a tiny bit condescending: "Embracing change is never easy."

So, does that sound like anyone you know? Oh, wait -- did I mention the leader is secretly a totalitarian space lizard who's come here to eat us?

Welcome to ABC's "V," the most fascinating and bound to be the most controversial new show of the fall television season. Nominally a rousing sci-fi space opera about alien invaders bent on the conquest (and digestion) of all humanity, it's also a barbed commentary on Obamamania that will infuriate the president's supporters and delight his detractors.

258 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:28:23am

re: #248 NJDhockeyfan

Here's some fuzzy Obamamath.


Heh.

Is he lying or is he ignorant?

259 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:29:01am

re: #258 MandyManners

Is he lying or is he ignorant?

Yes.

260 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:29:09am

re: #258 MandyManners

Is he lying or is he ignorant?

Yes.

261 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:29:20am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

I thought Hollywood loved BHO.

262 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:29:36am

re: #258 MandyManners

Is he lying or is he ignorant?

Multi Tasking , he could be both!

263 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:30:02am

re: #259 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes.

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Yes.

Excellent GMTA within just eight seconds.

264 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:30:19am

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee

Morning everyone. I guess, being a lizard, I should have watched V last night, but I skipped it. Never saw the original series either. I'm still on season 3 of The 4400. Maybe after that I'll start Galactica or Firefly (or Serenity - I forget which comes first.)

It was well done, if you like CGG. The new lizard queen really projects
the same vibe as her predecessor.

265 badger1970  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:30:24am

re: #248 NJDhockeyfan

He made a mistake. That was ACRON reporting 935 registered voters out of 508 eligible.

266 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:30:29am

re: #261 MandyManners

I thought Hollywood loved BHO.

I am sure that was in preproduction before Obama had won.

267 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:31:11am

re: #262 sattv4u2

Multi Tasking , he could be both!

What was is Sharmuta said yesterday about polticians talking and lying at the same time?

268 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:31:21am

Jeez, it is a sci-fi tv show, why does everything have to somehow be about Obama? Please don't feed the egomaniac...

269 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:31:43am

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee

I skipped V as well, and have fond memories of watching the original miniseries (which had a Holocaust meme running throughout). However, the V leader is a hottie - though her appearance on Stargate SG-1 as the Ori leader Adria shows off her power that much better. I guess I like the longer hair.

270 gegenkritik  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:31:59am

Charles, why linking to PajamasMedia is blocked? It was you who founded this?

271 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe now I will watch it. I guess the pilot will be on Hulu soon.

272 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:32:38am

re: #270 gegenkritik

They've changed over time and Charles no longer has any connections to pjmedia. He's completely disassociated himself from that project.

273 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:32:45am

re: #270 gegenkritik

They're running Robert Stacy McCain and other rabid kooks.

274 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:32:53am

re: #271 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe now I will watch it. I guess the pilot will be on Hulu soon.

I think after 8 days.

275 gegenkritik  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:33:20am

re: #273 Sharmuta
Has Charles no more control over this?

276 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:33:31am

re: #271 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe now I will watch it. I guess the pilot will be on Hulu soon.

I recorded it on my DVR. Gonna watch it tomorrow night unless Philly wins tonight.

277 gegenkritik  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:33:46am

re: #272 lawhawk
Ok thanks, just read this.

278 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:34:12am

re: #269 lawhawk

I don't know why I didn't watch the original one. I was in my early teens then, and into sci fi. Probably my older brother didn't want to watch it and we only had one tv.

279 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:34:24am

re: #236 reine.de.tout

Mornin', bosforus.
Seems to have settled down.
It usually does. For awhile.

Is it okay if I call you "reine" instead of reine.de.tout? It's a lot less typing, but I don't want to violate terms of service either.

[eye roll]

280 gegenkritik  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:34:51am

Really sad, since there are decent persons like John Rosenthal writing regulary. Who's in control of PM now?

281 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:36:23am

Mornin' all! I just think Thomas Sowell should be considered a national treasure!

The "Costs" of Medical Care

I mean, you've got to love a guy who starts a column on the cost - and to an extent the consequences of - the proposed health "reform" legislation this way:

Although it is cheaper to buy a pint of milk than to buy a quart of milk, nobody considers that to be lowering the price of milk.

Thank you Dr. Sowell!

282 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:37:41am

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

A local high school down here sold millennium Tshirts in 1999. They spelled millennium wrong. My rival school. Heh.

The local university here put out some self-promotional window clings, but spelled it "Unversity." They didn't notice until after they distributed them.

283 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:38:15am

re: #279 Sharmuta

I don't get it...(?)

284 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:38:56am

re: #283 J.S.

At the end.

285 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:41:10am

Here is an interesting read from Der Speigel.

How Israel Destroyed Syria's Al Kibar Nuclear Reactor

It is 7 pages long.

286 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:42:05am

re: #282 wrenchwench

The local university here put out some self-promotional window clings, but spelled it "Unversity." They didn't notice until after they distributed them.

You wood think they could proophreed.
/

287 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:42:43am

Pelosi’s Health Care Bill Would Regulate Snack Machines at Estimated Cost of $56 Million the First Year

(CNSNews.com) – The House health-care reform plan unveiled last week by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) would do more than regulate insurance companies – it would even regulate vending machines.

The bill, which is posted online, would require that vending machine operators either create new machines that allow the customer to view nutrition facts or post nutritional information for each product near “each article of food or the selection button.”

The regulation could wind up costing vendors millions of dollars to make the changes, according to industry estimates.

...NAMA estimated that the first year start-up cost to comply with the basic disclosure would be $56.4 million.

288 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:42:58am

re: #1 Fenway_Nation

Hmm...wonder what PMSNBC and CNN are going to focus more on? the outcome of NY-23 or the gubenetorial races in Virgnina and New Jersey.

/It's not like voters in a VERY blue state just elected a Republican or anything...

And what was your first clue? Look around. What's on the internets?

289 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:43:20am
290 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:43:23am

re: #285 Bubblehead II

I'm reading a book about the Six Day War (Six Days of War, by Michael Oren) and I'm amazed by the IDF's and IAF's planning, training, strategy and tactics. Their destruction of the Egyptian Air Force was breathtaking to read about.

291 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:43:27am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Hmmm Freedom?//

292 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:46:32am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Pelosi’s Health Care Bill Would Regulate Snack Machines at Estimated Cost of $56 Million the First Year

That's right 'cause I eat junk for for my health!

Nanny State Nonsense.

293 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:46:33am

re: #290 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm reading a book about the Six Day War (Six Days of War, by Michael Oren) and I'm amazed by the IDF's and IAF's planning, training, strategy and tactics. Their destruction of the Egyptian Air Force was breathtaking to read about.

When one defeat will result in national extermination, it tends to focus your efforts.

294 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:47:42am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Pelosi’s Health Care Bill Would Regulate Snack Machines at Estimated Cost of $56 Million the First Year

I foresee an underground economy of bootleg Cool Ranch Doritos (TM) before this is over.

295 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:47:54am

re: #290 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm reading a book about the Six Day War (Six Days of War, by Michael Oren) and I'm amazed by the IDF's and IAF's planning, training, strategy and tactics. Their destruction of the Egyptian Air Force was breathtaking to read about.

The way they blew them away with the pilots in the planes?

296 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:48:49am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

...NAMA estimated that the first year start-up cost to comply with the basic disclosure would be $56.4 million


"Dad, can I have a dollar so I can buy a bag of chips out of that machine?"

"well Timmy, you better look again. Thanks to our new Free Health Care you're going to need a twenty"

297 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:48:55am

re: #294 The Sanity Inspector

I foresee an underground economy of bootleg Cool Ranch Doritos (TM) before this is over.

I'm hording Cheetos. Should be worth a small fortune soon.

298 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:49:59am

re: #290 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm reading a book about the Six Day War (Six Days of War, by Michael Oren) and I'm amazed by the IDF's and IAF's planning, training, strategy and tactics. Their destruction of the Egyptian Air Force was breathtaking to read about.

Oren's Power, Faith and Fantasy is good, too.

299 badger1970  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:50:04am

re: #297 MandyManners

You may need baby-wipes to clean the evidence from your fingers and keyboard /

300 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:50:34am

re: #295 MandyManners

The way they blew them away with the pilots in the planes?

The way they planned for the attack, their intelligence (they knew the name and rank of every Egyptian pilot), and the way they flew in low to avoid detection and attacked.

The incompetence and lack of planning by Egypt had a lot to do with it - they had all of their aircraft sitting in the open, unprotected, and the radar that did detect the incoming planes didn't have the proper communications with the Egyptian AF.

301 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:52:10am

Okay, stupid question time - what is Retweet? (and no speech impdediment jokes please)

302 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:53:12am

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

Okay, stupid question time - what is Retweet? (and no speech impdediment jokes please)

What reid is doing with the healthcare bill?

303 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:53:46am

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

It's a repost of what someone else said.

304 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:54:17am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Pelosi’s Health Care Bill Would Regulate Snack Machines at Estimated Cost of $56 Million the First Year

Isn't there a market for healthy snacks?
Kids certainly should be encouraged to eat healthy. When I was a kid, my mom was a nut case with the healthy eating. The problem isn't the vending machines - it's lazy parents. (IMO)
Why spend $56 million dollars on something that the market and parents should take care of? Geeez - congress is obsessed with spending our money - because it feels good. Times are tight, Nancy. Get a grip.

305 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:54:34am

re: #299 badger1970

You may need baby-wipes to clean the evidence from your fingers and keyboard /

Hey, man, I don't use the product. I just *snifff* deal it.

306 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:54:35am

Newsweek.com - last poll before election independents were jumping the hoffman ship his lead with them turned into a deficit 43-37 and going away all the time.

I take it that would have been after the press interviews and armey intervention...

307 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:54:38am

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

Okay, stupid question time - what is Retweet? (and no speech impdediment jokes please)

It's where one person on twitter "forwards" a tweet posted by somebody else. Everyone has a different grouping of people they follow or that follows them - it's a way of getting word passed around.

308 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:54:45am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

It's a repost of what someone else said.

It's a repost of what someone else said.
//sorry

309 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:54:49am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

It's a repost of what someone else said.

On Twitter? I've never used Twitter and have barely read anything on it.

310 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:55:57am

re: #292 MandyManners

At what cost per deferred purchase?

Because I can imagine there's like maybe 3 people who don't understand that vending machines sell crap. And 2 of those are maybe even intelligent enough to read the nutritional info on the package after it comes out.

311 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:56:15am

Old line: Do you .com here often?

New line: Nice tweets.

312 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:56:18am

re: #300 Mad Al-Jaffee

The way they planned for the attack, their intelligence (they knew the name and rank of every Egyptian pilot), and the way they flew in low to avoid detection and attacked.

The incompetence and lack of planning by Egypt had a lot to do with it - they had all of their aircraft sitting in the open, unprotected, and the radar that did detect the incoming planes didn't have the proper communications with the Egyptian AF.


Didn't the IAF go in under radar and then pop up so that the pilots would scramble to their planes? (It's been a while since I took the Arab-Israeli Conflict in college.)

313 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:56:22am

re: #309 Mad Al-Jaffee

On Twitter? I've never used Twitter and have barely read anything on it.

I find twitter has limited usefulness for most of us.
But in situations where it's useful, it's very very good at getting word out.

314 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:57:32am

Obama campaigned for Corzine and Deeds...they both lost.
Obama didn't campaign for Owens...he won.

Obama has lost his bottle of magic pixie dust.

315 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:57:46am

laters all. have to go buy lil sis a birthday present

316 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:57:46am

re: #304 FrogMarch

Isn't there a market for healthy snacks?
Kids certainly should be encouraged to eat healthy. When I was a kid, my mom was a nut case with the healthy eating. The problem isn't the vending machines - it's lazy parents. (IMO)
Why spend $56 million dollars on something that the market and parents should take care of? Geeez - congress is obsessed with spending our money - because it feels good. Times are tight, Nancy. Get a grip.

It's just one more example of the Liberals thinking they know better than the people, thinking that GOVERNMENT is the solution to every problem.

317 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:58:00am

re: #313 reine.de.tout

I find twitter has limited usefulness for most of us.
But in situations where it's useful, it's very very good at getting word out.

Like Iran.

318 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:58:14am

re: #312 MandyManners

Didn't the IAF go in under radar and then pop up so that the pilots would scramble to their planes? (It's been a while since I took the Arab-Israeli Conflict in college.)

Something like that, but more compex. Don't have time to re-read that part right now.

319 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:58:31am

re: #304 FrogMarch

It's probably a bogus story. We've seen enough of this crap to know that people are just making up stuff. What's telling is that critics are focusing on some vending machine provision. I assume that means they are having trouble finding serious flaws with the bill.

320 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:59:04am

re: #313 reine.de.tout

I find twitter has limited usefulness for most of us.
But in situations where it's useful, it's very very good at getting word out.

I've read some of the "Shit My Dad Says" tweets. Pretty funny stuff.

321 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:59:09am

re: #310 Soundboard Fez

At what cost per deferred purchase?

Because I can imagine there's like maybe 3 people who don't understand that vending machines sell crap. And 2 of those are maybe even intelligent enough to read the nutritional info on the package after it comes out.

But, Nanny State Nancy wants to spend all that money to save that one person from himself.

322 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:59:32am

re: #313 reine.de.tout

I find twitter has limited usefulness for most of us.
But in situations where it's useful, it's very very good at getting word out.

I used it a little bit yesterday to find election news. It's actually pretty good at tracking breaking stories.

323 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 7:59:36am

re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've read some of the "Shit My Dad Says" tweets. Pretty funny stuff.

LOL!
Yes it is, that's one of the 22 that I "follow".

324 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:00:04am
325 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:00:21am

re: #314 NJDhockeyfan

Corzine - books will be written about how he managed to throw away New Joisy

Deeds - bad candidate against a strongly "religious republican" who had an energised base. Deeds didn't have a story for voters to latch onto and had nothing for the Obama dust to sprinkle onto.

326 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:00:26am

Speaking of Iran, Planet Iran has been following the latest chaos in Iran.

327 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:00:33am

re: #313 reine.de.tout

I find twitter has limited usefulness for most of us.
But in situations where it's useful, it's very very good at getting word out.

I agree. I don't think Twitter is cut out for me, even though I joined, so there is no point in me retweeting things- they will go to no one. But for those with followings, who Twitter is more geared for, will have the ability to spread really good articles from LGF on to others who may again retweet it and spread the news very quickly. I think it will catch on for LGF with a little time.

328 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:00:47am

re: #318 Mad Al-Jaffee

Something like that, but more compex. Don't have time to re-read that part right now.

Very efficient to get not just the planes which could be replaced but, also the pilots who take a long time to train.

329 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:00:51am

re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've read some of the "Shit My Dad Says" tweets. Pretty funny stuff.

I check that daily.

330 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:00:56am

re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've read some of the "Shit My Dad Says" tweets. Pretty funny stuff.

I joined for shitmydadsays.

331 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:01:25am

re: #312 MandyManners

[Link: www.chabad.org...]

332 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:01:52am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

It's probably a bogus story. We've seen enough of this crap to know that people are just making up stuff. What's telling is that critics are focusing on some vending machine provision. I assume that means they are having trouble finding serious flaws with the bill.

If true, that proposal *is* a serious flaw. It illustrates the delusion that we need the government to tell us how to live our lives down to that detail.

333 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #328 MandyManners

Very efficient to get not just the planes which could be replaced but, also the pilots who take a long time to train.

And the runways. The runways were some of their primary targets.

334 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:03:25am

re: #316 MandyManners

It's just one more example of the Liberals thinking they know better than the people, thinking that GOVERNMENT is the solution to every problem.

Indeed.
Maybe if we give congress a years furlough, we might be able to climb out of debt. No more ideas- thanks. Too Expensive.
Good parenting is free.

335 cliffster  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:04:04am

re: #329 Ben Hur

I check that daily.

RT @shitmydadsays Nobody is that important. They eat, shit, and screw, just like you. Maybe not shit like you, you got those stomach problems

336 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:04:21am

re: #331 Mad Al-Jaffee

[Link: www.chabad.org...]

As I said, it's been a long time since I studied that topic. I could've sworn, though, that many Egyptian pilots were in their planes.

337 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:04:37am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

We can start a collection here to pay for his bypass, and maybe she will agree to drop it from the bill.

338 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:04:46am

re: #333 Mad Al-Jaffee

And the runways. The runways were some of their primary targets.

Massive potholes.

339 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:04:53am

re: #334 FrogMarch


Good parenting is free.

Best Joke Ever

340 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:05:14am

re: #336 MandyManners

As I said, it's been a long time since I studied that topic. I could've sworn, though, that many Egyptian pilots were in their planes.

Most who made it to their planes were shot down. Go Isreal!

341 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:05:30am

re: #334 FrogMarch

Indeed.
Maybe if we give congress a years furlough, we might be able to climb out of debt. No more ideas- thanks. Too Expensive.
Good parenting is free.

Nooo ooo. It takes a village!!

342 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:05:43am

re: #304 FrogMarch

The problem isn't the vending machines - it's lazy parents. (IMO)


Agree, and how to encourage better parenting? I note that BHO has given talks encouraging dads to stay with their families as absent fathers are a problem, especially in some groups. So he gets some plus points from me for that encouragement.

343 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:05:48am

re: #335 cliffster

RT @shitmydadsays Nobody is that important. They eat, shit, and screw, just like you. Maybe not shit like you, you got those stomach problems

My favorite is about the lawn belonging to the dog.

Avoid shitmydadtakes though.

SOmething else entirely.

344 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:06:22am

re: #341 MandyManners

Village go away, that's my job.

345 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:07:03am

re: #338 MandyManners

Massive potholes.

Let's not discuss the roads in DC.

346 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #334 FrogMarch

Indeed.
Maybe if we give congress a years furlough, we might be able to climb out of debt. No more ideas- thanks. Too Expensive.
Good parenting is free.

Morning FrogMarch! LOL! Not a bad idea. Here in Texas, our "lege" only meets every other year - for six months. Even that short period of time can result in some loony-tunes legislation. Imagine the damage they could do if they met every year - all year!

Oh yeah - we have an example. The U.S. Congress.

;-)

347 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #342 Ojoe

Agree, and how to encourage better parenting? I note that BHO has given talks encouraging dads to stay with their families as absent fathers are a problem, especially in some groups. So he gets some plus points from me for that encouragement.

Totally. And Michelle's garden is nice as well.

348 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:07:40am

re: #340 Mad Al-Jaffee

Most who made it to their planes were shot down. Go Isreal!

Somewhere I have a link about why Arab armies lose.

349 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:07:57am

re: #338 MandyManners

In precise locations on the runways too, so that transports could still land.

350 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:08:19am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of Iran, Planet Iran has been following the latest chaos in Iran.

As has Tehran Bureau.

351 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:08:22am
352 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:08:41am

re: #347 FrogMarch

Yes, extra points for the veggie garden. Now, get some photovoltaic panels on the White House roof.

353 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:09:47am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Pelosi’s Health Care Bill Would Regulate Snack Machines at Estimated Cost of $56 Million the First Year

As somebody noted the other day (I think it was Walter), many of the politicians who insist that Government stay out of people's bedrooms (as it should), have no problem whatsoever insisting that government has a place in our kitchens.

354 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:10:21am

re: #348 MandyManners

After Israel's attack, Egyptian radio claimed that Israel's AF was destroyed and the Arabs would easily win the war. I wonder if that guy from Iraq was their propaganda chief in 67?

355 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:10:35am

re: #351 Ben Hur

Climate change belief given same legal status as religion

Well there's a slippery slope, and it will likewise fuel AGW denialists to continue to call science a religion.

356 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:10:56am

re: #351 Ben Hur

re: #353 reine.de.tout

When I was a kid I put a coin into a vending machine at the YMCA and it gave me TWO marshmallow cups instead of one.

Jackpot!

358 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:11:50am

re: #348 MandyManners

Somewhere I have a link about why Arab armies lose.

[Link: meria.idc.ac.il...]

359 bosforus  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:11:51am

In 1914 H.G. Wells wrote the book The World Set Free. A brief summary from online-literature.com

Every intelligent person in the world felt that disaster was impending and knew no way of averting it, but few of us realised in the earlier half of 1914 how near the crash was to us. The reader will be amused to find that here it is put off until the year 1956.

It's been a good listen so far (audio book to get through work). The first hour or so is a run up of the important discoveries of man leading up to, obviously, the harnessing of atomic energy. Then it dives right into a European engulfing nuclear war.

Those used by the Allies were lumps of pure Carolinum, painted on the outside with unoxidised cydonator inducive enclosed hermetically in a case of membranium. A little celluloid stud between the handles by which the bomb was lifted was arranged so as to be easily torn off and admit air to the inducive, which at once became active and set up radio-activity in the outer layer of the Carolinum sphere. This liberated fresh inducive, and so in a few minutes the whole bomb was a blazing continual explosion. -Wikipedia

After their plug has been pulled and they're dropped from an airplane they explode in the air, cause large columns of purple fire to disintegrate anything that it touches and creates, like Wiki says, a continually exploding volcano of radioactivity on the ground.
Sidenote: not sure how it's escaped me all these years of reading Wells but he was apparently a huge Socialist. Go figure.

360 bosforus  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:12:20am

Be back later...

361 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:12:23am

re: #355 Sharmuta

Well there's a slippery slope, and it will likewise fuel AGW denialists to continue to call science a religion.

Well according to this judge it now is a religion. All hail Gaia!

362 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:12:37am
363 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:13:13am

re: #356 Ojoe

re: #353 reine.de.tout

When I was a kid I put a coin into a vending machine at the YMCA and it gave me TWO marshmallow cups instead of one.

Jackpot!

When the nuns were done with me, I found myself saying "thank you"
to vending machines. It faded.

364 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:13:16am

re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee

After Israel's attack, Egyptian radio claimed that Israel's AF was destroyed and the Arabs would easily win the war. I wonder if that guy from Iraq was their propaganda chief in 67?

In a previous life, Baghdad Bob was Egyptian Edward.

365 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:13:41am

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

It's British...

366 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:14:08am

re: #357 Killgore Trout

A bad move by Reagan. The whole solar ing was neglected for 20 years & we would be in a better position now had it been encouraged.

367 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:14:16am

re: #352 Ojoe

Yes, extra points for the veggie garden. Now, get some photovoltaic panels on the White House roof.

I happen to know that the solar panels at DIA are not hooked up to anything.
Hook em up!

368 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:14:29am

re: #338 MandyManners

Massive potholes.

Could we please leave Rosie's butt out of this?

369 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:15:17am

re: #356 Ojoe

re: #353 reine.de.tout

When I was a kid I put a coin into a vending machine at the YMCA and it gave me TWO marshmallow cups instead of one.

Jackpot!

Hi Ojoe! Ooh, brings back bad memories for me. When I was a little boy, my folks took me to a petting zoo called Lollipop Farm. There was a vending machine in the middle of the enclosure where, for a nickel, you could buy rye crisp to feed the cute little sheep and goats.

I put my nickel in and pulled the handle. It kinda got stuck. I kept pulling, harder and harder. Finally, it released, and a whole lot of rye crisps came tumbling out. The cute little sheep and goats beat the living crap out of me to get to those rye crisps.

Now I hunt.

370 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:15:23am

OT ,,,

Election continuation

Here in Atlanta non of the 6 (3 legit candidates ,,, 3 fringe ones) that were running for the Mayors seat (the incumbent was not running,,, term linits) got 50% of the vote, so there will be a runoff Dec 1st between the top 2 finishers

One is a city of Atlanta councilwoman who got 46% of the vote yesterday.
The other is a member of the Georgia State Senate who got 36%

Here's where it gets interesting

If the councilwoman, Mary Norwood, were to win she would be the 1st non African American to be mayor of Atlanta in 30 years. There were less than 100K total votes cast

In 2008 between the 3 counties that encompass Atlanta there were more than 500K votes cast

Could be an interesting 3 weeks

371 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:15:34am

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

Well according to this judge it now is a religion. All hail Gaia!

Exactly. This judge just set science back.

372 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:15:39am

re: #368 Spare O'Lake

Could we please leave Rosie's butt out of this?

OMG.
Not nice whatsoever, but I am LMAO!

373 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:15:52am

re: #358 MandyManners

[Link: meria.idc.ac.il...]

Along these lines, Kenneth Pollack concludes his exhaustive study of Arab military effectiveness by noting that “certain patterns of behavior fostered by the dominant Arab culture were the most important factors contributing to the limited military effectiveness of Arab armies and air forces from 1945 to 1991.” (16) These attributes included over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior officer level.

374 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:16:07am

re: #365 J.S.

It's British...

Yes, where Jedi Knight is on the list of religions on the UK census.

Jedi makes the census list

375 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:16:17am

re: #369 subsailor68

Deer are such pests.

376 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:16:27am

re: #346 subsailor68

Imagine the damage they could do if they met every year - all year!

Oh yeah - we have an example. The U.S. Congress.

;-)

:-)

377 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:16:45am

Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:

* * That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.

* * That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.

* * That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.

* * Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)

378 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:17:29am

re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee

The 6 Day war can be distilled as follows:

Egypt blocks Straits of Tiran - an act of war.
Israel responds by destroying the Egyptian air force largely the ground via the IAF, whose drilling on turnaround of sorties allows pilots to engage multiple targets on multiple sorties far in excess of the number of aircraft Israel had in its possession. The timing of the initial raids killed many of the Egyptian pilots and/or destroyed many planes that were closely situated in revetments and use of Durendals to destroy runways prevented surviving Egyptian aircraft to take off.

Egypt's leadership doesn't understand extent of its military defeat or chose to engage in propaganda to (depends on who you listen to) call on its allies in Damascus and Jordan to attack. Jordan does, despite Israel's warnings to stay out. Israel eventually takes the West Bank, but the heaviest fighting and sustained military effort by the Arabs comes from Jordan, who had to weight inaction with a possible Palestinian insurrection; they sided with Egypt in part to avoid a civil war. They lost the West Bank in the bargain.

Damascus dragged its feet, but when it did engage Israel, they too were wiped out fairly quickly despite having terrain advantage. They lost the Golan for their effort.

Israel came out with the Sinai, Golan, West Bank and all of Jerusalem. And the seething by the Arabs and Palestinians has been unending.

379 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:17:49am

re: #359 bosforus

In 1914 H.G. Wells wrote the book The World Set Free. A brief summary from online-literature.com

After their plug has been pulled and they're dropped from an airplane they explode in the air, cause large columns of purple fire to disintegrate anything that it touches and creates, like Wiki says, a continually exploding volcano of radioactivity on the ground.
Sidenote: not sure how it's escaped me all these years of reading Wells but he was apparently a huge Socialist. Go figure.

In 1903, a religious S/F writer (Benson?) did "Lord of the World." He
described bombing aircraft, "volars", and village-annihilating bombs.
There are references to it on the 'net.

380 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:17:59am

Man accidentally ejects himself from plane

Ben Hur.

Providing a service.

381 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:18:09am

re: #369 subsailor68

ROFLMAO too.


***


BBL

382 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:18:14am

re: #374 NJDhockeyfan

omg...everytime I think "now I've seen everything" from the UK...it just gets worse...

383 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:18:19am

re: #369 subsailor68

Hi Ojoe! Ooh, brings back bad memories for me. When I was a little boy, my folks took me to a petting zoo called Lollipop Farm. There was a vending machine in the middle of the enclosure where, for a nickel, you could buy rye crisp to feed the cute little sheep and goats.

I put my nickel in and pulled the handle. It kinda got stuck. I kept pulling, harder and harder. Finally, it released, and a whole lot of rye crisps came tumbling out. The cute little sheep and goats beat the living crap out of me to get to those rye crisps.

Now I hunt.

LOL!
When I was young, on a visit to my grandparents in N.O., they took my little brother and me to the park to feed the geese, brought along some old bread.

So, we're holding the bread in our hands, breaking off small pieces - the geese get wind of the fact that we had bread - and completely surrounded us, pecking at the bread - scared us to death! We have an old 8mm movie of that somewhere . . .

384 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:18:27am

re: #364 MandyManners

In a previous life, Baghdad Bob was Egyptian Edward.

Then came Jenin Jack.

385 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:19:52am

re: #377 Conservative Moonbat

Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

Could you explain what it all means?

386 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:20:28am

re: #357 Killgore Trout

So, Carter installed 'em. Reagan took them out. That's the focus, but Bush installed another solar system (which critics call ineffective or insufficient because of the climate/angling of the White House roof, etc.)?

Curious. Very curious.

Bush's efforts go unremarked upon other than to say that they were done under the media radar.

So what exactly is Obama going to do to bring solar power to the White House? It's not like he's going to change the roof pitch.

387 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:21:00am

re: #373 MandyManners

Along these lines, Kenneth Pollack concludes his exhaustive study of Arab military effectiveness by noting that “certain patterns of behavior fostered by the dominant Arab culture were the most important factors contributing to the limited military effectiveness of Arab armies and air forces from 1945 to 1991.” (16) These attributes included over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior officer level.

Could be culture, but those were the exact problems of the Soviet army
that trained and equipped them. Probably self-reinforcing.

388 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #378 lawhawk

Thanks for the spoilers! I still have about 100 pages left in the book! :)

389 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:21:47am

re: #386 lawhawk

You just have to tilt the individual panels. No one would see them behind the balustrade.


BBL really.

390 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:21:50am

re: #383 reine.de.tout

LOL!
When I was young, on a visit to my grandparents in N.O., they took my little brother and me to the park to feed the geese, brought along some old bread.

So, we're holding the bread in our hands, breaking off small pieces - the geese get wind of the fact that we had bread - and completely surrounded us, pecking at the bread - scared us to death! We have an old 8mm movie of that somewhere . . .

LOL back at ya! You guys were lucky - geese can be real mean critters! And don't get me started on swans!

391 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:23:00am

re: #378 lawhawk

Hey, don't blame me for spoiling the book - all the juicy details Oren provides flesh out the basic outline I provided - there's a reason he wrote the book after all. :)

392 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:23:25am

The Berlin Wall: How The Wall Fell

When the Berlin Wall came down 20 years ago, it did not fall from sheer wear and tear of tyranny. People actively chose to destroy it. They tore down that iconic wall not only with pickaxes, hammers and bare hands, but as a culminating act of decades of sacrifice, courage, determination and a complex, globally contested war of ideas.

Many of the vital battles were fought by people living far from Berlin. They were fought by people who persisted in the face of everything from ridicule to misguided Utopianism to violence, imprisonment and the hot wars that flared along the front lines of the Cold War.

The wall itself, built in 1961, stood for 28 years, and was just a small part of the massive iron curtain with which the Soviet empire penned in the people of Eastern Europe. But the wall became a symbol of the far larger divide that split the world for much of the 20th century, partitioning great swathes of the globe into spheres of influence in which the basic trajectories were free vs. unfree, capitalist democracy vs. command-and-control Communism.

A generation later, that may all sound very simple and old-fashioned. It is easy to assume that our world today is more complex, more flexible, more multicultural in the doing and multipolar in the making--and that the Cold War has little to teach.

Perhaps this helps explain why President Barack Obama, who dropped by Berlin to deliver a campaign speech last year, cannot find time to attend the 20th anniversary of the wall's fall, Nov. 9, in Berlin. That is a terrible mistake.

393 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:25:47am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

The Berlin Wall: How The Wall Fell

Perhaps this helps explain why President Barack Obama, who dropped by Berlin to deliver a campaign speech last year, cannot find time to attend the 20th anniversary of the wall's fall, Nov. 9, in Berlin.

Because it won't be about him!

394 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #382 J.S.

omg...everytime I think "now I've seen everything" from the UK...it just gets worse...

They have a website.

Become a Jedi; a real Jedi. We are not fictional Jedi from the wonderful Star Wars movies, neither are we role playing; we are the Real Jedi Religion in this Galaxy in this Multiverse. Jediism is not the same as that which is portrayed within the Star Wars Saga by George Lucas and Lucasfilm LTD. George Lucas' Jedi are fictional characters that exist within a literary and cinematic universe.

The Jedi discussed within this website refer to real people within this world that live or lived their lives according to Jediism, of which we recognize and work together as a community to both cultivate and celebrate. Jedi Apprentices, Knights, Scholars, Masters, and High Councilors embrace Jediism as a real living, breathing religion, and sincerely strive to seek out and emulate real life examples of Jediism in the long rich history of mankind. Jediism bases less of its focus on myth and fiction, and more upon those real life examples of Jediism.

We believe in Peace, Justice, Love, Learning and using our abilities for Good so it's unlikely our way conflicts with your beliefs and traditions.
On December 25, 2005 we received our charter as a Texas non-profit religious and educational corporation and donations to us are US income tax deductible as we are an international online church and interfaith initiative in the process of building local communities. We are tax exempt under the provisions of 501(c)3[po].

395 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:26:36am

re: #388 Mad Al-Jaffee

Thanks for the spoilers! I still have about 100 pages left in the book! :)

MAJOR SPOILER:

The Israelis won.

396 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:28:30am

re: #395 MandyManners

MAJOR SPOILER:

The Israelis won.

Dammit!

Next you're going to tell me that something happens to the ship in Titanic!

397 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:29:44am

re: #395 MandyManners

MAJOR SPOILER:

The Israelis won.

LOL! One of my favorite spoilers of all time:

Crime and Punishment, by Dostoevsky.

Raskolnikov did it.

398 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:30:20am

re: #395 MandyManners

MAJOR SPOILER:

The Israelis won.

HAHAHAHHAH!

399 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:31:36am

Michelle Malkin on fiscal responsibility...

National Republican Party officials dumped nearly $1 million into the race on behalf of radical leftist GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava, who then turned around, endorsed Owens and siphoned off 5 percent of the vote with her name still on the ballot after she dropped out.
...
One thing is guaranteed at the conclusion of the NY-23 special congressional election: The Beltway Republicans who endorsed radical leftist Dede Scozzafava are going to have indelible egg stains on their faces. And GOP establishment fund-raising organizations will be the poorer for it.


Waste a million and secure a seat of the Dems? Tea Party!

400 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:32:13am

re: #396 Mad Al-Jaffee

Dammit!

Next you're going to tell me that something happens to the ship in Titanic!

Kate Winslet lost a pretty jewel.

401 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:32:43am
402 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:32:46am

re: #397 subsailor68

LOL! One of my favorite spoilers of all time:

Crime and Punishment, by Dostoevsky.

Raskolnikov did it.

That's one book I passed on. Maybe I'll read it this winter.

403 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:32:48am

re: #386 lawhawk

So what exactly is Obama going to do to bring solar power to the White House? It's not like he's going to change the roof pitch.

Maybe Obama can have some of those Al Gore meters installed...(There's an article on the front-page of the National Post, by Nick Allen, which reads: "Former vice-president Al Gore has been accused of profiting from the climate-change agenda after claims he is on course to become the first 'carbon billionaire.' Mr. Gore, who is in line to make a large profit from a firm producing smart meters that monitor household electricity use, has denied the claims."

404 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:33:01am

re: #400 MandyManners

Molly Brown didn't sink.

405 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:33:05am

re: #395 MandyManners

MAJOR SPOILER:

The Israelis won.

Too bad they were stymied by the USA from finishing the war to its logical military conclusion, including unconditional surrenders from Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. There could then have been a real peace treaty.
*sigh*

406 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:34:32am

re: #404 lawhawk

Molly Brown didn't sink.

She was too tough to sink.

407 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:35:02am

re: #405 Spare O'Lake

Too bad they were stymied by the USA from finishing the war to its logical military conclusion, including unconditional surrenders from Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. There could then have been a real peace treaty.
*sigh*

I wasn't aware that we meddled.

408 Baier  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:35:04am

re: #366 Ojoe

A bad move by Reagan. The whole solar ing was neglected for 20 years & we would be in a better position now had it been encouraged.

Solar is highly inefficient, and even more so during Reagan's time. Not to mention the fact that there is not enough high grade silicone being produced to keep up with demand. With current technology, solar is a waste of money.

409 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:35:17am

re: #402 MandyManners

That's one book I passed on. Maybe I'll read it this winter.

It's not exactly a light-hearted romp. And that's not exactly a spoiler, since ya find that out on about page two.

;-)

410 jaunte  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:35:39am

King Kong didn't get the girl.

411 oldegeezr  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:36:13am

Things heating up again in Iran...pigs beating woman at the 18 second mark...

Republican Guard heros’...!
412 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:36:20am

The New York Times On Virginia's Elections then and now

In 2005, on a candidate who won 52-to-46-percent:

RICHMOND, Va., Nov. 8 - Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, a Democrat, won the race for governor in Virginia tonight, scoring a major political victory for his mentor, Gov. Mark Warner, and sending a powerful message that President Bush's political standing has fallen in this reliably Republican state.

vs

2009, on a candidate who won just shy of an astounding 60-to-40-percent:

RICHMOND, Va. — Robert F. McDonnell, a Republican and a former state attorney general, won a decisive victory in Virginia’s governor’s race Tuesday, a stark reversal of fortune for Democrats who have held control in Richmond for the past eight years.

[Then, skipping down an unprecedented 20 paragraphs...]

Democrats fought hard to avoid a rout. Though the Obama administration initially expressed quiet reservations about Mr. Deeds, the president campaigned twice for him, helped him raise money, appeared in his advertisements and extended the support of his political campaign arm, Organizing for America.

413 gegenkritik  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:36:38am

re: #405 Spare O'Lake
It was the UN-SC who stopped Israel from annihilating a whole Egyptian army (the same SC who was silent when Egypt prepared for war against Israel).

414 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:37:05am

...and in world economic news, India trades dollars for gold...

Gold extends record high on India purchase

Gold prices continued to rise on Wednesday extending the all-time highs which followed India’s central bank bought 200 tonnes of the precious metal, swapping dollars for bullion as the country’s finance minister warned the economies of the US and Europe had “collapsed”.

India’s decision to exchange $6.7bn for gold equivalent to 8 per cent of world annual mine production sent the strongest signal yet that Asian countries were moving away from the US currency.

The purchase by New Delhi’s Reserve Bank from the International Monetary Fund pushed gold prices to a record $1,090.90 per troy ounce, up 2.6 per cent on the day, as traders bet that other central banks would also become buyers.

Pranab Mukherjee, India’s finance minister, said the acquisition reflected the power of an economy that laid claim to the fifth-largest global foreign reserves: “We have money to buy gold. We have enough foreign exchange reserves.”

He contrasted India’s strength with weakness elsewhere: “Europe collapsed and North America collapsed.”

415 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:39:27am

Breaking OT:
Italy Convicts 23 Former CIA Agents in Renditions Trial

416 jaunte  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:39:27am

re: #412 Ben Hur

I think that independent fis-cons don't like some Republican so-con tendencies, but they like excessive spending even less.

417 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:39:51am

re: #412 Ben Hur

It depends on what they ask in the exit polls...
Exit polls: Mixed bag for GOP, Dems

In New Jersey exit polls, 60 percent of voters said Obama did not figure into their decision, while 57 percent of the Virginia electorate echoed that sentiment, numbers that could potentially calm some Democrats' fears of a backlash against the administration heading into next year's mid-term elections.
418 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:40:04am

re: #411 oldegeezr

Things heating up again in Iran...pigs beating woman at the 18 second mark...

obama ya ba oona ya ba ma 13 aban iran 4 nov

“Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?”


419 avanti  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:40:54am

re: #353 reine.de.tout

As somebody noted the other day (I think it was Walter), many of the politicians who insist that Government stay out of people's bedrooms (as it should), have no problem whatsoever insisting that government has a place in our kitchens.

That's one part of the bill that I certainly oppose. I was not nuts about calorie charts at fast food restaurants at first, but that made some sense with 800 calorie salads. If you can't figure out that a Snickers is a high calorie snack, you would not be able to figure out how to use a vending machine.

420 Baier  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:44:46am

re: #419 avanti

That's one part of the bill that I certainly oppose. I was not nuts about calorie charts at fast food restaurants at first, but that made some sense with 800 calorie salads. If you can't figure out that a Snickers is a high calorie snack, you would not be able to figure out how to use a vending machine.

/Supermarkets should be forced to install tunnels to fatty foods. The fattier the food, the narrower the tunnel you'd have to fit through to get to the food.

421 jaunte  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:45:03am

re: #419 avanti

Our food delivery system is perhaps unfortunately focused on ease of distribution and preserving shelf life, rather than health.

422 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:46:15am

re: #353 reine.de.tout

(I'd also note, that government regulators don't just want to confine themselves to the kitchens...they're far more ambitious...they want to control the amount of water consumption (smart meters, which have cut-offs), how hot your living-room will be in the winter time; how much electricity you'll be able to consume, etc.)

423 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:46:28am

re: #419 avanti

That's one part of the bill that I certainly oppose. I was not nuts about calorie charts at fast food restaurants at first, but that made some sense with 800 calorie salads. If you can't figure out that a Snickers is a high calorie snack, you would not be able to figure out how to use a vending machine.

"DANGER - Yummy Munchies Very Bad"

424 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:46:59am

re: #419 avanti

That's one part of the bill that I certainly oppose. I was not nuts about calorie charts at fast food restaurants at first, but that made some sense with 800 calorie salads. If you can't figure out that a Snickers is a high calorie snack, you would not be able to figure out how to use a vending machine.

I love having nutritional info available for restaurants. But I agree that it's not the government's mandate to make.

At most, incentivize it. Tax credits for restauranteurs and vending machine operators who post nutritional info. Tax credits for restaurants and bars that ban smoking. Let proprietors figure out the market and the economics.

425 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:47:20am

re: #418 Ben Hur

obama ya ba oona ya ba ma 13 aban iran 4 nov

“Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?”

I think they know the answer to that already.

Obama Stops Funding For Iran Watchdog

426 webevintage  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:47:48am

re: #332 MandyManners

If true, that proposal *is* a serious flaw. It illustrates the delusion that we need the government to tell us how to live our lives down to that detail.

States have all kinds of laws about vending machines in schools now and what can be sold in them...even in Arkansas. Personally I don't care if folks want to let their kids rot their guts out by drinking Coke, but the Legislature here seems to think it is a big deal.

It is a stupid regulation to have in any of the bills, But I like these kind of side things being put in the HC bills because it is something that can be taken out to please the Republicans (who are not going to vote for Health Care Reform no matter what is done to any bill short of gutting it) and make them fill like got a "win".
Same thing with anything that says anything about abortion or illegal aliens.
Let the conservatives win their little battles, I say, just as long as in the end there is health care reform this year.

BTW, Congratulations Republicans on VA and NJ...no spin from me.

427 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:49:29am
428 oldegeezr  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:49:35am

re: #418 Ben Hur

President Barack Obama noted the anniversary of the takeover of the U.S. Embassy and urged the two countries to move beyond the "path of sustained suspicion, mistrust and confrontation."
The hostage crisis "deeply affected the lives of courageous Americans who were unjustly held hostage, and we owe these Americans and their families our gratitude for their extraordinary service and sacrifice,"

429 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:50:31am

re: #428 oldegeezr

I read a report yesterday that the opposition party in Iran was set to apologize to the US over the embassy.

430 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:50:35am

re: #419 avanti

That's one part of the bill that I certainly oppose. I was not nuts about calorie charts at fast food restaurants at first, but that made some sense with 800 calorie salads. If you can't figure out that a Snickers is a high calorie snack, you would not be able to figure out how to use a vending machine.

It was me darling.

431 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:50:46am

re: #426 webevintage

States have all kinds of laws about vending machines in schools now and what can be sold in them...even in Arkansas. Personally I don't care if folks want to let their kids rot their guts out by drinking Coke, but the Legislature here seems to think it is a big deal.

Schools are the one place I'm okay with it. I'm pretty careful about what my kids eat and drink, i.e., I don't let them rot their guts out by drinking Coke except on special occassions. But I'm not in the school with them either.

432 deadletterboy  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:51:07am

Congratulations Maine, on being a whole bag of assholes.
(I'm sure there has been a similar post or two, but I felt I needed to drop my two cents.)

433 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:52:14am

re: #432 deadletterboy

Congratulations Maine, on being a whole bag of assholes.
(I'm sure there has been a similar post or two, but I felt I needed to drop my two cents.)

What? Clarify?

434 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:52:21am

re: #426 webevintage

States have all kinds of laws about vending machines in schools now and what can be sold in them...even in Arkansas. Personally I don't care if folks want to let their kids rot their guts out by drinking Coke, but the Legislature here seems to think it is a big deal.

It is a stupid regulation to have in any of the bills, But I like these kind of side things being put in the HC bills because it is something that can be taken out to please the Republicans (who are not going to vote for Health Care Reform no matter what is done to any bill short of gutting it) and make them fill like got a "win".
Same thing with anything that says anything about abortion or illegal aliens.
Let the conservatives win their little battles, I say, just as long as in the end there is health care reform this year.

BTW, Congratulations Republicans on VA and NJ...no spin from me.

I'm all for that because parents cannot hold their kids' hands every day but, from what I gathered, this proposal is about machines available to adults.

435 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:52:32am

Bob Cardi of CBC radio did an investigative report (this was years ago) on the water meters (these were meters put into individual homes) in London...then, people who defaulted (couldn't pay up) had their water cut off etc. Then they'd have to put money into the meter to receive a measured allotment...

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:53:15am

re: #401 lawhawk

Odd polling place incident of the week: guy strips naked in front of a Brooklyn polling place claiming he's the son of Jesus Christ.

If that were true, why would it necessitate taking off his clothes in front of a polling place in Brooklyn?

(My polling place is boring. All we had out front were some dogs tied up to bike racks, and a flag.)

437 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:53:30am

re: #424 Soundboard Fez

I love having nutritional info available for restaurants. But I agree that it's not the government's mandate to make.

At most, incentivize it. Tax credits for restauranteurs and vending machine operators who post nutritional info. Tax credits for restaurants and bars that ban smoking. Let proprietors figure out the market and the economics.

Um, I think you're contradicting yourself a bit here. In your first paragraph, you don't want government to mandate it, but in your second you propose to use tax credits (a government function) to modify behavior, then call on proprietors to figure out the market - which has been artificially affected by government mandated behavior via the tax code.

I do think I understand your basic point though - and I too prefer the use of tax credits to fees, penalties, and the like.

438 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:54:21am

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

If that were true, why would it necessitate taking off his clothes in front of a polling place in Brooklyn?

(My polling place is boring. All we had out front were some dogs tied up to bike racks, and a flag.)

Maybe he meant Christie?

439 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:54:31am

I have an IT question-We have downsized the office quite a bit.
I must replace our "server". In 2002 it was installed with server 2000 software.

Server is in quotes because there are only 3 of us who access it via our PC workstations. As I understand it 3 workstations accessing will not come close to triggering a need for dedicated server software. It's not easy to get an XP based PC new anymore. Vista is not an option.

Should I trust 7 to reliably get the job done and just by a fairly powerful workstation and let it be the server?

440 oldegeezr  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:54:36am

Attribution for the quote in #428...

441 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:55:31am

re: #435 J.S.

Bob Cardi of CBC radio did an investigative report (this was years ago) on the water meters (these were meters put into individual homes) in London...then, people who defaulted (couldn't pay up) had their water cut off etc. Then they'd have to put money into the meter to receive a measured allotment...

Payment ahead of time?!

442 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:56:27am

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

I have an IT question-We have downsized the office quite a bit.
I must replace our "server". In 2002 it was installed with server 2000 software.

Server is in quotes because there are only 3 of us who access it via our PC workstations. As I understand it 3 workstations accessing will not come close to triggering a need for dedicated server software. It's not easy to get an XP based PC new anymore. Vista is not an option.

Should I trust 7 to reliably get the job done and just by a fairly powerful workstation and let it be the server?

SHOOT IT ALL!

443 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:57:03am

Heh, I like this take on the NY-23 spin by David Weigel:

Hours before the polls closed, Hoffman backers were echoing the pundits’ spin–this race would be a referendum on President Obama, and a victory for Hoffman would put the brakes on health care reform by making Democrats worry about challenges to their re-elections in 2010. As a Hoffman victory became more and more remote, the rhetoric changed. The message became the message of two weeks ago. This election wasn’t about showing Republicans that conservatives could win. It was about showing Republicans that they couldn’t win without conservatives.

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

444 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:58:12am

re: #435 J.S.

Bob Cardi of CBC radio did an investigative report (this was years ago) on the water meters (these were meters put into individual homes) in London...then, people who defaulted (couldn't pay up) had their water cut off etc. Then they'd have to put money into the meter to receive a measured allotment...

That's pretty much how we bought our first B&W TV. It got both channels.

445 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:58:25am

re: #433 Walter L. Newton

What? Clarify?

"Maine" voted against a same sex marriage state amendment

446 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:58:31am

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

Have you considered going Linux (Debian?) (HP offers free courses -- they're quite brief -- I believe they have a course on Servers 101).

447 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:58:51am

re: #437 subsailor68

Um, I think you're contradicting yourself a bit here. In your first paragraph, you don't want government to mandate it, but in your second you propose to use tax credits (a government function) to modify behavior, then call on proprietors to figure out the market - which has been artificially affected by government mandated behavior via the tax code.

I do think I understand your basic point though - and I too prefer the use of tax credits to fees, penalties, and the like.

I have a big problem with the government telling me "thou shalt." Not so much with the government using "should" to encourage responsible behavior, even if it does artificially enhance the market.

In any event, if I went to Applebees and bought a salad that was 1200 calories without my knowledge, that's not exactly a pure free market choice anyway.

448 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:59:34am

re: #424 Soundboard Fez

BTW, I wasn't being snarky in my response to ya. As I said, I too prefer tax credits. I guess my point was more concerned with government using the tax code to modify behavior. Generally it falls into two categories:

Tax credits or incentives are designed to "reward" good behavior (as perceived by government).

Fines or penalties are designed to "punish" bad behavior (as perceived by government).

Both are mandates, and both use government force to drive decision making - as opposed to market forces.

449 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:59:38am

re: #441 MandyManners

yes. The customers who had a bad credit history, had to be on a "pay as you go" plan...no "free water."

450 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:59:47am

re: #433 Walter L. Newton

Maine voters apparently agree with President Obama and rejected a gay marriage referendum.

Maine became the 31st state to block same-sex marriage through a public referendum, a result that will force supporters to rethink their national strategy at a crucial time for the movement. With 84 percent of precincts reporting early Wednesday, the repeal proposal had 53 percent of the vote, even though polls had indicated the race was a dead heat.

This year three other states — Iowa, New Hampshire and Vermont — joined Massachusetts and Connecticut in allowing same-sex marriage, but only through court rulings and legislative action. Maine, with its libertarian leanings, had seemed to offer an excellent chance of reversing the long national trend of voters rejecting marriage equality at the ballot box.

Some said the loss was a sign that the state-by-state approach favored by the largest gay-rights groups had failed and that the focus should move to reversing the federal ban on same-sex marriage, which Congress can reverse without voter approval. Others argued that the defeat only reinforced the need to keep winning grassroots support.

451 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:59:49am

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

I have an IT question-We have downsized the office quite a bit.
I must replace our "server". In 2002 it was installed with server 2000 software.

Server is in quotes because there are only 3 of us who access it via our PC workstations. As I understand it 3 workstations accessing will not come close to triggering a need for dedicated server software. It's not easy to get an XP based PC new anymore. Vista is not an option.

Should I trust 7 to reliably get the job done and just by a fairly powerful workstation and let it be the server?

Never buy a Microsoft product until at least one service pack has been released, good rule to live by.

452 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 8:59:50am

re: #442 MandyManners

Tempting,tempting.
Ever heard about the guy who shot his PC /Windows ME? He shoots it, the cops show up, they arrest him for the illegal firing of a hand gun etc etc.

He goes up to the judge and pleads guilty. The Judge says-I have ME too he says. I'm inclined to dismiss the charges with a stern warning but the reload and the extra ten shots fired...

1 year informal probation and court costs.

453 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:00:10am

re: #443 ausador

And either way it's not winning because of the socons: either because they split the vote, or because people won't vote for the Republican socon.

454 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:00:57am

re: #447 Soundboard Fez

(snip)
In any event, if I went to Applebees and bought a salad that was 1200 calories without my knowledge, that's not exactly a pure free market choice anyway.

An awful lot of behavioral science went into getting you outside that salad.

455 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:02:49am

re: #448 subsailor68

BTW, I wasn't being snarky in my response to ya. As I said, I too prefer tax credits. I guess my point was more concerned with government using the tax code to modify behavior. Generally it falls into two categories:

Tax credits or incentives are designed to "reward" good behavior (as perceived by government).

Fines or penalties are designed to "punish" bad behavior (as perceived by government).

Both are mandates, and both use government force to drive decision making - as opposed to market forces.

What market forces would encourage power plant operators to lower emissions, for example? There are many situations where the free market just doesn't come into play.

I don't view credits as mandates. We are free to take or leave them. It's a sliding scale from Credits>Fines>Criminalization.

456 jaunte  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:03:04am

re: #454 Decatur Deb

Mostly it goes "if we sell a cup of bacon and cheese on top of some lettuce, people will feel full, and we can call it a salad."

457 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:03:46am

re: #451 ausador
That is good advice.
My rule here has been 1 year in service before I'll buy it. If I go for an XP machine, it will be one of the last on the shelf I think. The one nobody wanted. Ouch.

458 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:03:59am

re: #447 Soundboard Fez

I have a big problem with the government telling me "thou shalt." Not so much with the government using "should" to encourage responsible behavior, even if it does artificially enhance the market.

In any event, if I went to Applebees and bought a salad that was 1200 calories without my knowledge, that's not exactly a pure free market choice anyway.

LOL! I'm with ya on the salad thing - although I wonder what the heck you put in a salad to get that puppy to 1200 calories!

"Can you tell me what's in the Applebee's Special Salad?"

"Oui, madame. We start with a bed of the freshest garden vegetables available. Then we add a layer of oreos. Next, a generous helping of fried twinkies, all topped with a dollop of Reddi-Whip."

"Oh. Could I just have the double bacon and fried pork chop beef burger?"

459 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:04:08am

re: #445 sattv4u2

re: #450 lawhawk

Thanks.

I think it's unfair for #432 deadletterboy to call the voters "assholes." I would have voted in favor of it, but I certainly wouldn't want someone calling me "asshole" for supporting it.

Deadletterboy... that stop being a jerk.

460 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:04:39am

re: #432 deadletterboy

re: #450 lawhawk

Those uptight far right wingnuts in Maine

How DARE they agree with President Obamas conservative agenda!!

((oh ,, wait ,,, nevermind!!))

461 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:05:38am

re: #456 jaunte

Mostly it goes "if we sell a cup of bacon and cheese on top of some lettuce, people will feel full, and we can call it a salad."

Cheesecake Factory posts its calorie content online--heartstopping read.

462 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:05:46am

re: #458 subsailor68

[Link: health.yahoo.com...]

On the Border’ Grande Taco Salad w/Taco Beef and Smoked Chipotle Vinaigrette Dressing
1,680 calories
121 g fat (40 g saturated)
2,660 mg sodium

Chevy’s Fresh Mex’s Tostada Salad with Chicken
1,551 calories
94 g fat (37 g saturated)
2,840 mg sodium

Macaroni Grill’s Seared Sea Scallops Salad
1,320 calories
91 g fat (25 g saturated)
2,860 mg sodium

The 1200 was a little too conservative I guess. Ack!

463 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:06:00am

re: #458 subsailor68

LOL! I'm with ya on the salad thing - although I wonder what the heck you put in a salad to get that puppy to 1200 calories!

"Can you tell me what's in the Applebee's Special Salad?"

"Oui, madame. We start with a bed of the freshest garden vegetables available. Then we add a layer of oreos. Next, a generous helping of fried twinkies, all topped with a dollop of Reddi-Whip."

"Oh. Could I just have the double bacon and fried pork chop beef burger?"

A tablespoon of dressing can have 60 calories. If you consider how a lot of us (I'm guilty) pour on salad dressing, it can add up real quick.

464 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:06:15am

re: #446 J.S.

I have not previously just because of the time learning curve. However if golds stays at record levels I'll have plenty of time left to study Linux. DEAD Phones today at work. Nobody wants casting gold for Christmas rings at $1100!

465 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:07:38am

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

A tablespoon of dressing can have 60 calories. If you consider how a lot of us (I'm guilty) pour on salad dressing, it can add up real quick.

Hi Walter! Hope you're doing great today. Yeah, sigh, you and me both. And I suppose adding the bleu cheese crumbles doesn't help much either (a particular weakness of mine).

466 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:07:53am

re: #458 subsailor68

LOL! I'm with ya on the salad thing - although I wonder what the heck you put in a salad to get that puppy to 1200 calories!

"Can you tell me what's in the Applebee's Special Salad?"

"Oui, madame. We start with a bed of the freshest garden vegetables available. Then we add a layer of oreos. Next, a generous helping of fried twinkies, all topped with a dollop of Reddi-Whip."

"Oh. Could I just have the double bacon and fried pork chop beef burger?"

And a Diet Coke.

467 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:08:16am

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

A tablespoon of dressing can have 60 calories. If you consider how a lot of us (I'm guilty) pour on salad dressing, it can add up real quick.

I went to college with a lot of obese vegetarians. We used to sing "Salad Dressing Thighs" to the tune of "Bette Davis Eyes."

468 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:08:57am

re: #457 Rightwingconspirator

That is good advice.
My rule here has been 1 year in service before I'll buy it. If I go for an XP machine, it will be one of the last on the shelf I think. The one nobody wanted. Ouch.

You can buy a new copy of windows XP for about $40 now, just buy whatever machine you want and then load XP onto it.

469 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:08:59am

re: #466 Mad Al-Jaffee

And a Diet Coke.

ROFLMAO! That's perfect!

470 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:09:11am

re: #465 subsailor68

Hi Walter! Hope you're doing great today. Yeah, sigh, you and me both. And I suppose adding the bleu cheese crumbles doesn't help much either (a particular weakness of mine).

Oh shit... the hell with tossing blue cheese crumbles on the salad... I just shove them directly up my nose... cheese, France and me... a match made in...

471 badger1970  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:09:17am

re: #461 Decatur Deb

"You mean that whole cheesecake I ate was 2400 calories?" /

472 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:10:38am

re: #446 J.S.

Forgot to mention-Thanks for that link!

473 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:11:13am

re: #471 badger1970

"You mean that whole cheesecake I ate was 2400 calories?" /

You wish.

474 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:11:46am

Speaking of government overreach . . .. .

MA town makes it illegal to own more than three cats

DUDLEY, Mass. (AP) -- It's now illegal in one Massachusetts town to own more than three cats without getting a special license. Voters at a town meeting in Dudley on Monday night added language to a town bylaw that makes it illegal to own more than three cats without a $50 residential kennel license. Dudley is about 60 miles southwest of Boston.

The article was in response to a neighborhood feud over the 15 cats owned by Mary Ellen Richards.

The Telegram & Gazette of Worcester reports that one neighbor claimed the cats have ruined his yard.

Richards has put her home up for sale and says she plans to move to a "more cat-friendly community."

475 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:11:50am

You guys are making me hungry. Time for lunch. bbl.

476 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:12:03am

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

Oh shit... the hell with tossing blue cheese crumbles on the salad... I just shove them directly up my nose... cheese, France and me... a match made in...

Dere's Walter, doin a line a da blue.

477 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:12:07am

re: #468 ausador

That just might happen.
Reformat a 7 machine and drop in XP pro. Ironic.

478 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:12:12am

re: #466 Mad Al-Jaffee

And sweet n' lo for my coffee, with the pie a la mode.

479 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:12:40am

re: #464 Rightwingconspirator

Yep. Many years ago I tried out a Linux Red Hat install...(eventually abandoned it -- since it wouldn't run the Windows programs I liked, and it was all command lines -- a real pain.). I did do (recently) a Debian "live spin" CD...Debian has come a long way -- easy to install; much, much easier to use; lots of support...(I thinking of maybe installing Debian on one partition)...

480 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:14:23am

re: #479 J.S.

Yep. Many years ago I tried out a Linux Red Hat install...(eventually abandoned it -- since it wouldn't run the Windows programs I liked, and it was all command lines -- a real pain.). I did do (recently) a Debian "live spin" CD...Debian has come a long way -- easy to install; much, much easier to use; lots of support...(I thinking of maybe installing Debian on one partition)...

I've been using debian for five years and it's never disappointed me.

481 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:14:50am

re: #279 Sharmuta

Is it okay if I call you "reine" instead of reine.de.tout? It's a lot less typing, but I don't want to violate terms of service either.

[eye roll]

You just go on ahead and call me "reine".
It's not like I picked a nic that was a variation on my real name or anything.

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:15:26am

re: #460 sattv4u2

re: #450 lawhawk

Those uptight far right wingnuts in Maine

How DARE they agree with President Obamas conservative agenda!!

((oh ,, wait ,,, nevermind!!))

I wish they wouldn't have.

483 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:16:14am

Moonshine turns horse race rowdy

TODOS SANTOS CUCHUMATAN, Guatemala (Reuters) – Despite a drinking ban mayhem erupted at a traditional Mayan horse race on Sunday with riders falling off their horses and drunken spectators stumbling through the mountain village.

Hundreds of tourists and locals gathered for the annual spectacle in Todo Santos Cuchumatan on Sunday to cheer the dozens of riders charging back and forth along a 330-foot (100-meter) length of road for up to seven hours.

But the macho test of stamina was marred, as it has been in the past, by the copious amount of homemade spirits the riders consume, sometimes for days before the race.

At least two Mayan riders fell off their horses during this year's race, and one was carried away by bystanders after being trampled in the mud. Another man walked away from the track with a bloody face.

"People here aren't able to hold their drink, if they have one drink, they just continue until they're so drunk they want to hit someone," said Modesto Mendez, the mayor of the village.

Mendez banned the selling of hard alcohol in the village in May of last year to cut down on accidents, deaths and fighting.

But 18 months later, on the Day of the Dead celebrated throughout Mexico and Central America, drunken people were seen staggering through the village.

484 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:16:57am

Speaking of food, I got to try out Carlo's bakery in Hoboken. If the name sounds familiar, it's because it's featured on the TLC show Cake Boss. It doesn't have a pretentious air to the shop; I was there at 5pm and it was packed with moms toting around their kids and some were munching on various pastries and cookies.

The pastries we did try were very good. Rainbow cookies and chocolate puff pastries were excellent. For a change, the hype about the place matched the quality of the food.

485 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:17:01am

re: #479 J.S.

Interesting how if IT is your job by half or full time you have this great set of skills. IT is 10% of my job so I'm less up to date. I'll have to look up Debian! LOL. When I priced Red Hat I got Red Faced. 3 users! $3000 or some similar silliness. I think a switch that says "sell high" goes off the second you say "server" to a supplier.

486 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:18:00am

re: #474 Conservative Moonbat

Speaking of government overreach . . .. .

MA town makes it illegal to own more than three cats

Discrimination against...,you know what? Forget it.

487 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:18:20am

re: #474 Conservative Moonbat

Speaking of government overreach . . .. .

MA town makes it illegal to own more than three cats

Sheesh! From your snippet:

The article was in response to a neighborhood feud over the 15 cats owned by Mary Ellen Richards.

I'll never understand how politicians think.

"Okay, we've got a crazy lady who has 15 cats. What'll we do about it?"

"We need to pass a law."

"Good idea. What'll we make the max?"

"How about 14?"

"Naw, should be fewer than that."

"Hey, let's not make it illegal to own 'em - just tax the hell out of any more than - say - three!"

"Cool! That's the ticket."

Oh wait, I guess I do know how politicians think after all.

488 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:19:21am

re: #474 Conservative Moonbat

Speaking of government overreach . . .. .

MA town makes it illegal to own more than three cats

OK. Maybe this way:

First Maine, THEN THIS?!?!?!?!?

489 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:21:46am

re: #449 J.S.

yes. The customers who had a bad credit history, had to be on a "pay as you go" plan...no "free water."

I can see that being imposed here no matter what your credit history.

490 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #452 Rightwingconspirator

Tempting,tempting.
Ever heard about the guy who shot his PC /Windows ME? He shoots it, the cops show up, they arrest him for the illegal firing of a hand gun etc etc.

He goes up to the judge and pleads guilty. The Judge says-I have ME too he says. I'm inclined to dismiss the charges with a stern warning but the reload and the extra ten shots fired...

1 year informal probation and court costs.

Now, that's justice.

492 simoom  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:23:34am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

Wow, I didn't get that impression at all.

If anything it felt like it was poking fun that that crazy lizard/reptile people conspiracy theory, where the proponents believe the reptile people have infiltrated the highest levels of government and industry, and they use their influence to cause widespread dysfunction and strife. The believers in the global conspiracy look through photos and videos of the powerful for evidence of their reptilian nature slipping out.

493 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:23:41am

re: #488 Ben Hur

OK. Maybe this way:

First Maine, THEN THIS?!?!?!?!?

It's a little-known fact that an early draft of the Bill of Rights contained an amendment reading "the right of the people to keep and hoard cats shall not be infringed upon". It was axed only because Madison once lived next to a cat lady.

494 bosforus  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:25:39am

re: #493 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a little-known fact that an early draft of the Bill of Rights contained an amendment reading "the right of the people to keep and hoard cats shall not be infringed upon". It was axed only because Madison once lived next to a cat lady.

Probably had something to do with mice and rats.

495 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:25:48am

I just ate a one pound T-bone. Make sure Nancy knows it didn't come out of a vending machine.

496 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:26:31am

re: #493 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a little-known fact that an early draft of the Bill of Rights contained an amendment reading "the right of the people to keep and hoard cats shall not be infringed upon". It was axed only because Madison once lived next to a cat lady.

The odd part is that they limited it to cats. You can't have four cats but you can have 50 hedgehogs. I guess they couldn't limit it to 3 pets per household because that would fuck up aquariums and ant colonies.

497 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:28:17am

re: #484 lawhawk

Speaking of food, I got to try out Carlo's bakery in Hoboken. If the name sounds familiar, it's because it's featured on the TLC show Cake Boss. It doesn't have a pretentious air to the shop; I was there at 5pm and it was packed with moms toting around their kids and some were munching on various pastries and cookies.

The pastries we did try were very good. Rainbow cookies and chocolate puff pastries were excellent. For a change, the hype about the place matched the quality of the food.

Oooh, I love that show. How Buddy doesn't pop a cork every now and then is beyond me. I'd end up shoving a frosting bag up someone's nose. Did you see the one where the bride-to-be showed up and defaced her own cake?!

498 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:28:48am

re: #486 Ben Hur

Discrimination against...,you know what? Forget it.

Oh, c'mon.

499 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:29:53am

Attorney From Michael Savage 'Book Of Hate' Koran Suit Tapped By Muslim Mafia Authors


Daniel Horowitz, the attorney who represented shock jock Michael Savage in his recent copyright infringement suit against the Council on American-Islamic Relations, is set to go up against CAIR again as counsel for the co-author of Muslim Mafia.

And, Horowitz told TPMmuckraker in a phone interview this morning, he's relishing the opportunity for Round Two with the Muslim civil rights group.

A judge ruled mostly in CAIR's favor yesterday in a suit seeking to block Dave Gaubatz from publishing documents taken by his son Chris, who went undercover as a Muslim intern at CAIR.

Horowitz told us he thinks his clients have a good case.

"The big picture is that [Chris] took things from the garbage, which is not protected. ... And CAIR is a group formed by Hamas, there's no question about that. I think that puts what he did in a very different light -- it's not like he took from the Red Cross," Horowitz says. "He's looking at a group that kills people and exposing what they do."

500 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:29:58am

re: #492 simoom

Wow, I didn't get that impression at all.

If anything it felt like it was poking fun that that crazy lizard/reptile people conspiracy theory, where the proponents believe the reptile people have infiltrated the highest levels of government and industry, and they use their influence to cause widespread dysfunction and strife. The believers in the global conspiracy look through photos and videos of the powerful for evidence of their reptilian nature slipping out.

It's obviously an anti-LGF parable, perhaps produced by the media wizards
at the stalker site.

501 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:31:12am

re: #496 Conservative Moonbat

The odd part is that they limited it to cats. You can't have four cats but you can have 50 hedgehogs. I guess they couldn't limit it to 3 pets per household because that would fuck up aquariums and ant colonies.

I've always wanted to own 50 hedgehogs. Reckon I'll hafta' move to Massachusetts.

502 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:32:00am

Edmonton has had a limit on the number of adult cats per household (it's maximum 6) for years now...(cats also require a license, $250 fine for not licensing; and if a cat wanders onto someone else's private property, the cat owner can be fined 100 dollars).

503 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:33:33am

re: #502 J.S.

Edmonton has had a limit on the number of adult cats per household (it's maximum 6) for years now...(cats also require a license, $250 fine for not licensing; and if a cat wanders onto someone else's private property, the cat owner can be fined 100 dollars).

Wow. That's the nature of cats.

504 oldegeezr  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:34:58am

The leader of the Republican Party just informed the faithful that the loss in NY-23 was insignificant because...

1] Highest percentage of vote ever won by the GOP.
2] There was no primary...this would indict the Republicans, including Newt Gingrich.
3] They initially nominated a horrible candidate in Scuzzy.
4] Conservatism didn’t loose it was the Republicans.


OK, Hoffman wasn’t a socon he was a Republican; dear leader...?

505 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:37:46am

re: #502 J.S.

Edmonton has had a limit on the number of adult cats per household (it's maximum 6) for years now...(cats also require a license, $250 fine for not licensing; and if a cat wanders onto someone else's private property, the cat owner can be fined 100 dollars).

What do they do with all the extra cats? I have 4 cats, and one that showed up starving and so we feed him. Actually, 2 of the other 4 also were cats that just showed up.

Surely this restriction would lead to dumping of cats, and also killing of cats and kittens. We had someone here leave a bag full of kittens by the interstate hoping, I'm sure, that they would get hit and killed. Somebody saw the kittens and stopped and saved them. If there's a limit on cats, people be deliberately running them over. I can't imagine . . .

506 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:38:41am

re: #496 Conservative Moonbat

The odd part is that they limited it to cats. You can't have four cats but you can have 50 hedgehogs. I guess they couldn't limit it to 3 pets per household because that would fuck up aquariums and ant colonies.

I wish there would be a law like that about dogs. My next door neighbors have a pit bull factory and dogs are running around in their yard at all hours of the day and night, fighting with each other and they do. not. stop. barking.

I am afraid to call police with a nuisance call as these neighbors are also very tattooed and gangstery.

The neighborhood has sadly declined.

507 J.S.  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:53:48am

re: #505 reine.de.tout

There are an estimated 80,000 cats in Edmonton...The humane society here takes in cats (no questions asked, I believe)...There's also a by-law enforcement officer -- he rounds up feral or stray cats (those without a license); and if a cat does have a license, and the cat's caught off the owner's property, the owner could be fined. Basically, it keeps cats indoors. (There had been reports, though, about some cats being killed in west Edmonton -- the cats were apparently gruesomly tortured and killed. The police would not go into any details, just that the cats were not killed by coyotes.)

508 Bagua  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:56:15am

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

I have an IT question-We have downsized the office quite a bit.
I must replace our "server". In 2002 it was installed with server 2000 software.

Server is in quotes because there are only 3 of us who access it via our PC workstations. As I understand it 3 workstations accessing will not come close to triggering a need for dedicated server software. It's not easy to get an XP based PC new anymore. Vista is not an option.

Should I trust 7 to reliably get the job done and just by a fairly powerful workstation and let it be the server?

With three PC's why do you need a server? Presumably you need a file server to share files. You could simply put a second hard disk in one of the PCs and map it as a network drive that everyone shares. Alternatively, you could run a server in a virtual machine on one of the PCs.

Windows 7 has better sharing and syn capabilities. You can designate a network share that works offline and updates whenever it connects to the other PCs.

re: #451 ausador

Never buy a Microsoft product until at least one service pack has been released, good rule to live by.

That was true in the past, but Windows 7 is a different animal, it is good right out of the box. The only problems I've seen are the occasional program with a problem and the occasional driver issue. With the programs, it is possible to run XP mode if you have the right Win7 edition.

509 Soundboard Fez  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:56:33am

re: #504 oldegeezr

Historical Democratic performance in NY-23:

1996: 26%
1998: 0%
2000: 19%
2002: 0%
2004: 29%
2006: 37%
2008: 35%
2009: 49%

That last number sorta jumps out. I'm sure it has nothing to do with carpetbaggers running in to bring TRVE CONSERVATISM to New York.

/s

510 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Nov 4, 2009 1:35:09pm

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