Party with Bachmann in DC

C-SPAN 3 is covering the Michele Bachmann anti-health care tea party swarm right now; as I write, Jon Voight is speaking on the steps of the Capitol.

I’d estimate the crowd at between 7.3 and 8.2 million people. At least.

UPDATE at 11/5/09 10:03:39 am:

The word of the day on the house callers’ signs is … “Mao.”

UPDATE at 11/5/09 10:32:49 am:

Slogans suggested so far today:

“Kill the bill!”
“No, you can’t!”
“NO NO NO NO NO, etc.”

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611 comments

1 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:35:38am
I’d estimate the crowd at between 7.3 and 8.2 million people. At least.

LOL

2 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:35:55am

Twitter estimate rumors range from 2,000 to 30,000.

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:37:27am

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Twitter estimate rumors range from 2,000 to 30,000.

That’s quite a big range there.

4 akarra  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:37:43am

Ugh. Another reason why I don’t watch C-SPAN.

5 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:38:38am

Obama’s been “subcounciously programed” to hate America?

6 StillAMarine  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:38:48am

Ron Paul estimates about 350 000 000. Must be a lot of foreigners there.

7 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:38:48am

CSPAN live stream here

cspan.org

8 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:39:25am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Obama’s been “subcounciously programed” to hate America?

Did Voight say that?

9 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:39:52am

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Twitter estimate rumors range from 2,000 to 30,000.

I just took that hashtag and added it to a retweet of this post.

10 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:39:57am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Obama’s been “subcounciously programed” to hate America?

Why don’t you pass the time by playing a little Solitaire?

11 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:40:10am

The Dems are getting in on the act with a counter protest . It looks like 100,000 at least in Lieberman’s office. //

12 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:40:17am

Pence speaking now, Boehner in background

13 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:40:30am

re: #8 Stanley Sea

Did Voight say that?

I didn’t catch who the speaker was.

14 Big Steve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:41:03am

I love the tags that pop up for this post…noticing the last one “sex clinics”

15 subsailor68  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:41:27am

re: #4 akarra

Ugh. Another reason why I don’t watch C-SPAN.

Heh. Actually, there are some areas of coverage (I personally like Prime Minister’s Question Time) that are pretty cool, but I can’t remember which comedian it was who said something like:

“Next up, continuing House coverage here on CSPAN - or as we like to call it, the security camera.”

16 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:42:22am

re: #14 Big Steve

I love the tags that pop up for this post…noticing the last one “sex clinics”

It’s Thanos fault for typing in the word “Boehner”.

17 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:42:22am

It’s too bad those opposed to this cluster of a health care bill are represented by foaming-at-the-mouth activists. It’s no longer about the message, it’s all about the messenger (and the MSM uses it like a hammer).

18 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:42:27am

Taxes on wheelchairs?

19 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #4 akarra

Ugh. Another reason why I don’t watch C-SPAN.

I know, they are so right winged biased.

20 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:42:46am

There’s a good sign: “Kiss Mao Ass”.

21 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:43:08am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Taxes on wheelchairs?

Medical appliances and devices over a certain dollar value were listed as items to be taxed for revenue-generation purposes.

22 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:44:20am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Yes, taxes on wheelchairs and any other durable medical equipment over $100. In other words, they want to tax medical items like wheelchairs, pacemakers, stents, etc. so as to make them… more affordable (which is pretzel logic under the most favorable conditions).

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:44:20am

And now comes radio screamer Mark Levin.

24 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:44:39am

re: #17 badger1970

It’s too bad those opposed to this cluster of a health care bill are represented by foaming-at-the-mouth activists. It’s no longer about the message, it’s all about the messenger (and the MSM uses it like a hammer).

But we’re not represented by foaming at the mouth activists as much as the left and MSM would love to portray that. The last time I checked I was represented by a (R) Congressman and (R) Senator who are crafting alternative legislation (which the MSM would have you think consisted of the word NO).

25 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:44:51am

re: #21 Guanxi88

Medical appliances and devices over a certain dollar value were listed as items to be taxed for revenue-generation purposes.

Grandma is going to be taxed on her free Scooter from the Scooter Store? ///

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:45:14am

Levin got the biggest applause so far.

27 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:45:27am

re: #21 Guanxi88

Medical appliances and devices over a certain dollar value were listed as items to be taxed for revenue-generation purposes.

I thought the intent was to reduce medical costs - not turn them into revenue generators.

28 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:45:47am

I see Boehner. They are standing proudly behind this.

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:46:09am

re: #25 badger1970

Grandma is going to be taxed on her free Scooter from the Scooter Store? ///


Yes, but then she can go to the store, The Grand Canyon, the Statue of Liberty..I’ve seen the commercials.
/

30 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:46:22am

re: #25 badger1970

Grandma is going to be taxed on her free Scooter from the Scooter Store? ///

Well, the manufacturers and distributors would be the ones taxed, but I’m sure that this tax, like all others ever assessed, will not be passed on the consumer.

31 subsailor68  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:46:37am

re: #21 Guanxi88

Medical appliances and devices over a certain dollar value were listed as items to be taxed for revenue-generation purposes.

Yep, it was after the medical device association reps went to the White House and voiced their concerns about the legislation. The response was,

“Thanks for dropping by. We’ll certainly take your concerns into account. Hey, here’s an idea. We’ll tax the crap out of your products. How do ya like them apples?”

32 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:46:55am

re: #27 SixDegrees

I thought the intent was to reduce medical costs - not turn them into revenue generators.

yes, and there’s no better way to do that than to levy a tax on it.

33 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:47:09am

re: #25 badger1970

Grandma is going to be taxed on her free Scooter from the Scooter Store? ///

No; but the Scooter Store will be taxed on it, so the amount that Grandma saves by getting it for free will go up.

34 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:47:10am

re: #27 SixDegrees

I thought the intent was to reduce medical costs - not turn them into revenue generators.

You just hit on a profound insight into government budgeting and taxing logic. Unfortunately no matter how it is couched the bottom line comes out of our pockets, our children’s pockets and our grandchildren’s pockets.

35 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:47:12am

It’s like Levin has forgotten who was in charge of the government for 8 years under Bush and a GOP Congress. Hello-ooo?

36 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:47:35am

Death panels!

37 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:48:10am

re: #33 SixDegrees

No; but the Scooter Store will be taxed on it, so the amount that Grandma saves by getting it for free will go up.

Well, the amount billed to the Medicare or “public option” will just go up.

38 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:48:13am

re: #35 Sharmuta

It’s like Levin has forgotten who was in charge of the government for 8 years under Bush and a GOP Congress. Hello-ooo?


Bush had a GOP congress for 8 years? I did not know that.

39 akarra  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:48:44am

re: #15 subsailor68

Heh. Actually, there are some areas of coverage (I personally like Prime Minister’s Question Time) that are pretty cool, but I can’t remember which comedian it was who said something like:

“Next up, continuing House coverage here on CSPAN - or as we like to call it, the security camera.”

That is a good joke. There are specific things on CSPAN I’ve learned from, but it’s almost always the case that to get in a few points of substance things drone on. And keep droning.

40 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:49:07am

re: #37 Guanxi88

Well, the amount billed to the Medicare or “public option” will just go up.

Right. Like I said the other day, the government’s current understanding of economics resembles nothing so much as a dog licking it’s own balls.

41 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:49:24am

Looks like a pretty decent sized crowd for a thursday afternoon.

42 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:49:33am

re: #4 akarra

You have a problem with reality tv?
C-Span is the only real-time watchdog/check on our Senators and Reps, not that it works as well as it should, but at least it makes it a little harder for them to hide.

43 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:49:50am

re: #40 SixDegrees

Right. Like I said the other day, the government’s current understanding of economics resembles nothing so much as a dog licking it’s own balls.

They spend because they can?

44 Dynomite  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:50:15am

I see more press than attendees

45 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:50:15am

They just panned acros the crowd — no more than a few hundred people. Almost as many media weasels as tea partiers.

46 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:50:20am

re: #38 DaddyG

That’s some really creative rewriting of history. Wonder if Houghton-Mifflin has picked up on it yet?

47 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:50:43am

Lot of 3 percenter flags in the crowd

48 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:50:50am

re: #42 tradewind

You have a problem with reality tv?
C-Span is the only real-time watchdog/check on our Senators and Reps, not that it works as well as it should, but at least it makes it a little harder for them to hide.


…and most of the time it makes a great sleep aid. Especially those late night sessions where the Jr. Senator from South Dakota is reading his innermost thoughts into the record. /

49 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:51:09am

re: #45 Charles

I told you… I live in the middle of what should be their ground zero, and I’ve never met one.

50 TDG2112  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:51:15am

re: #26 Charles

Levin got the biggest applause so far.

Ughh! He is the BORINGEST talk show host since Larry King. At least with Rush you get some entertainment. But Mark Levin?! I’ve actually sat through 30 minutes waiting for something interesting. The anti-health care people can have him.

51 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:51:28am

re: #38 DaddyG

Bush had a GOP congress for 8 years? I did not know that.

The GOP held Congress before Bush was elected. If you want I can go grab the total breakdown, but I think my point still stands. Fiscal conservatism got the boot from the GOP when they kicked Newt to the curb. The republicans held one or more branches of government before January, and it’s as though Levin wants to blame Obama for all of it. That’s dishonest.

52 subsailor68  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:51:57am

re: #39 akarra

That is a good joke. There are specific things on CSPAN I’ve learned from, but it’s almost always the case that to get in a few points of substance things drone on. And keep droning.

Well, yeah, gotta admit that Special Orders can be a little taxing on the old entertainment meter. Some congress critter up there passionately arguing a point and when the camera widens he’s the only one there except for the poor sucker who drew chair duty - and is generally lookin’ almost comatose.

53 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:52:03am

re: #42 tradewind

And Wal-mart has security camera, but does that stop shoplifting?

And being far from the smartest person in the world, it’s hard for me to understand the congress-critters blow-hard-ese.

54 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:52:09am

Boehner didn’t get much applause.

55 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #48 DaddyG

It’s second only to a good PGM match beamed into your house from somewhere sunny on a rainy Sunday afternoon.

56 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:52:43am

re: #42 tradewind

You have a problem with reality tv?
C-Span is the only real-time watchdog/check on our Senators and Reps, not that it works as well as it should, but at least it makes it a little harder for them to hide.

I’d like to introduce legislation requiring all members of Congress and the President to have a small webcam with microphone implanted in their foreheads that they would have to leave uncovered at all times, day or night, and assign each and every one of them a web page featuring live feeds, archived unto eternity.

The searing revulsion of having images of Barney Frank naked floating around on the Web would be outweighed by the public good of greater transparency. I think.

57 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:52:57am

re: #22 lawhawk

Yes, taxes on wheelchairs and any other durable medical equipment over $100. In other words, they want to tax medical items like wheelchairs, pacemakers, stents, etc. so as to make them… more affordable (which is pretzel logic under the most favorable conditions).

Don’t forget the ridiculousness of the first premise of this whole issue: We’re putting politicians in charge of making doctors cheaper.

58 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #51 Sharmuta

The GOP held Congress before Bush was elected. If you want I can go grab the total breakdown, but I think my point still stands. Fiscal conservatism got the boot from the GOP when they kicked Newt to the curb. The republicans held one or more branches of government before January, and it’s as though Levin wants to blame Obama for all of it. That’s dishonest.


I was giving you a hard time… Yes you have a good point. The GOP didn’t do us any favors by substituting tax and spend with borrow and spend.

59 abbyadams  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:53:25am

re: #51 Sharmuta

Didn’t you get the memo that EVERYTHING BAD happened after 2006?

/

60 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:53:31am

re: #54 Charles

Boehner didn’t get much applause.

he’s pretty conservative, therefore not popular…you knew that tho

61 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:53:51am

He holds up the Constitution and then recites the Declaration of Independence!

What a moron.

62 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:53:52am

i like how he has to read the preamble

63 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:15am

re: #43 RogueOne

They spend because they can?

Looks that way. Here we have a system where Medicare pays for granny’s scooter, then collects a tax - from itself - for the scooter purchase.

Think about that for a while. Stop if you feel a headache coming on.

64 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:19am

re: #62 ohpleaseno

i like how he has to read the preamble

To a different document!

65 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:32am

re: #53 badger1970
I’m not sure how to respond to the Wal*Mart/C-Span analogy, so I’ll let it go.
Don’t worry… you’re probably smarter than at least half of the people speaking. And they’re not even all that good at the parliamentary procedure nowdays, depending on who’s in the presiding seat.

66 ArbitraryName  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:35am

re: #22 lawhawk

Yes, taxes on wheelchairs and any other durable medical equipment over $100. In other words, they want to tax medical items like wheelchairs, pacemakers, stents, etc. so as to make them… more affordable (which is pretzel logic under the most favorable conditions).

Hm, factcheck.org is saying that’s not entirely true:
factcheck.org

“It makes a downright false claim that ordinary wheelchairs would be among “medical supplies” subject to a proposed tax on manufacturers and importers. That’s not true: Wheelchairs and roughly half of all other medical devices would be exempt. (When we pointed this out, an RNC official said the ad would be modified, however.)”

67 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:44am

Heh. This is comedy.

68 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:51am

re: #62 ohpleaseno

i like how he has to read the preamble

Public school education. /

69 avanti  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:55am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Taxes on wheelchairs?

No, not really.

BS story.

70 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:57am

re: #58 DaddyG

I was giving you a hard time… Yes you have a good point. The GOP didn’t do us any favors by substituting tax and spend with borrow and spend.

Bush stabbed us in the back and I won’t forget it

71 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:54:59am

re: #27 SixDegrees

I thought the intent was to reduce medical costs - not turn them into revenue generators.

Government can hold down prices, but not costs. G-d Himself can’t hold down costs. Price and cost are not the same thing. Prices are what pay for costs.

72 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:55:25am

re: #64 Sharmuta

I just realized that! Even better!

73 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:55:25am

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Heh. This is comedy.

… and an appropriate conterpoint to the tragedy happening inside.

74 akarra  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:55:38am

re: #50 TDG2112

Ughh! He is the BORINGEST talk show host since Larry King. At least with Rush you get some entertainment. But Mark Levin?! I’ve actually sat through 30 minutes waiting for something interesting. The anti-health care people can have him.

I don’t know much about the guy, but something about the conservative books industry makes me gag (i.e. “Culture of Corruption,” “Liberty and Tyranny,” the Joe the Plumber book etc.) and so I’m wondering - is that boringness actually endearing him to some people, who think that stuff is intellectual?

75 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:55:39am

re: #56 SixDegrees

Oh, bite your tongue. I’d rather be forced to watch nonstop reruns of ’ I’m a Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here’.
///

76 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:55:58am

re: #45 Charles

They just panned acros the crowd — no more than a few hundred people. Almost as many media weasels as tea partiers.

LIAR!!! LIAR!!! THERE ARE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS THERE, AND NONE OF THEM WERE KOOKS, EITHER, JUST ORDINARY CONCERNED AMERICANS…

/ Major.

77 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:56:17am

re: #69 avanti

No, not really.

BS story.

That’s why I don’t even bother investigating anti-healthcare claims anymore.

78 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:56:47am

re: #76 SixDegrees

LIAR!!! LIAR!!! THERE ARE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS THERE, AND NONE OF THEM WERE KOOKS, EITHER, JUST ORDINARY FREEDOM LOVING CONCERNED AMERICANS…

/ Major.

79 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:56:49am

I’m really disappointed in some of the republican leaders playing along with this.

80 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:57:05am

re: #59 abbyadams

I heard it again today from some Dem hack… Obama is still struggling with the Legacy of Bush.
Wonder when that statute is gonna run…
Oh wait… never…

81 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:57:06am

this is pretty bad

82 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:57:24am

re: #77 Killgore Trout

That’s why I don’t even bother investigating anti-healthcare claims anymore.

Will that include the one that says the Repub plan won’t insure 53 million people!?!?!

just sayin!

83 StillAMarine  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:57:28am

re: #79 Sharmuta

I’m really disappointed in some of the republican leaders playing along with this.

You KNOW that’s right.

84 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:57:40am

re: #53 badger1970

And Wal-mart has security camera, but does that stop shoplifting?

And being far from the smartest person in the world, it’s hard for me to understand the congress-critters blow-hard-ese.

It doesn’t completely eliminate it. But it arguably reduces it - and it unquestionably makes it much easier to prosecute successfully.

85 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:00am

Yelling in the crowd about RINOs.

86 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:06am

re: #79 Sharmuta

I’m really disappointed in some of the republican leaders playing along with this.

they be in some sort of shock…Birchers in their face and all

87 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:07am

re: #62 ohpleaseno

i like how he has to read the preamble

I guess he was not paying attention to School House Rock.

Youtube Video

88 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:16am

re: #81 ohpleaseno
How does it compare with say, Code Pink’s demonstrations outside Walter Reed?

89 abbyadams  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:24am

re: #80 tradewind

Well, at this point, any Dem that is still pushing everything on Bush isn’t going to get my support, but neither is any Repub that claims that everything’s Obama’s fault.

90 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:36am

So…
…how good does the MSM have to be to portray the angry white tea partiers as the prevailing direction of the GOP while simultaneously showing that a nationwide protest call from a GOP congresscritter only garnered a few hundred costumed crusaders on the eve of the Health Care vote?

91 Mauser  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:39am

Lou Dobbs and a Career-limiting report on CNN

Youtube Video

92 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:49am

Oh GOODY

Senator (barf) Al Franken is speaking on C-Span 2 !!

93 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:58:54am
I’d estimate the crowd at between 7.3 and 8.2 million people. At least.

THAT was funny.

94 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:59:03am

re: #66 ArbitraryName

Hm, factcheck.org is saying that’s not entirely true:
[Link: factcheck.org…]

“It makes a downright false claim that ordinary wheelchairs would be among “medical supplies” subject to a proposed tax on manufacturers and importers. That’s not true: Wheelchairs and roughly half of all other medical devices would be exempt. (When we pointed this out, an RNC official said the ad would be modified, however.)”

That’s why we’re talking about the motorized wheelchairs, as from the Scooter Store. Unless those aren’t wheelchairs.

Either way.

95 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:59:12am

Was watching on Fox about 20 minutes ago as they had an opening prayer and then a speaker. The speaker spent the entire time pandering to the Religious Right Fringe with the standard “one nation under God” and a “Christian nation” stuff. Sigh…it is a secular nation, that has a majority of Christians living within it. Why when they themselves are constantly accusing others of undermining the Constitution, do they make statements like that and expect no one else to object?

You want this to be a more Christian nation? Try practicing a little more of what Jesus taught, don’t say your going to alter the laws of this country to reflect your personal beliefs. (What happens then? “The war between the sects” becomes the new “war between the states?”)

96 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:59:30am

re: #89 abbyadams

Nothing can be Obama’s fault yet. He hasn’t really endorsed a plan.
He’s still in full-on campaign mode, running hard against Dubya.

97 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:00:07am

That was some nice war rhetoric. ///

98 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:00:28am

re: #92 sattv4u2

He’s so reminiscent of a reformed whore, trying to be all serious and Not A Former Second-rate Comic.

99 akarra  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:00:32am

re: #92 sattv4u2

Oh GOODY

Senator (barf) Al Franken is speaking on C-Span 2 !!

C’mon CSPAN, give me a reason to like you… sometime soon, please…

100 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:00:45am

re: #11 DaddyG

The Dems are getting in on the act with a counter protest . It looks like 100,000 at least in Lieberman’s office. //


Wow, he must have a really big office!

/

101 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:00:45am

re: #69 avanti

No, not really.

BS story.

Exactly. A motorized wheelchair is not a wheel chair.

102 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:00:50am

re: #92 sattv4u2

Oh GOODY

Senator (barf) Al Franken is speaking on C-Span 2 !!

Saturday Night Live reruns on C-Span?

103 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:00:51am

They are only given 1.4 minutes to talk. Smart move.

105 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:01:15am

Tony Perkins!

106 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:01:23am

re: #95 ausador
So One Nation Under God sucks?
Better get to work on a new pledge…

107 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:01:30am

re: #88 tradewind

just as bad

108 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:01:50am

re: #30 Guanxi88

Well, the manufacturers and distributors would be the ones taxed, but I’m sure that this tax, like all others ever assessed, will not be passed on the consumer.

And then we’ll all wonder why the heartless manufacturer relocated to Asia.

109 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:01:50am

Tony Perkins now - David Duke’s pal.

110 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:01:57am

re: #96 tradewind

Nothing can be Obama’s fault yet. He hasn’t really endorsed a plan.
He’s still in full-on campaign mode, running hard against Dubya.

all the while embracing many of Bush’s policies…

111 avanti  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:02:02am

re: #94 Guanxi88

That’s why we’re talking about the motorized wheelchairs, as from the Scooter Store. Unless those aren’t wheelchairs.

Either way.

Saw a report that medicare pays over twice retail for those scooters because Congress won’t allow competitive bidding. Many seniors like them, even if they don’t really need them.

112 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:02:16am

re: #76 SixDegrees

LIAR!!! LIAR!!! THERE ARE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS THERE, AND NONE OF THEM WERE KOOKS, EITHER, JUST ORDINARY CONCERNED AMERICANS…

/ Major.

I don’t see anyone with a slung AK yet either. Probably only because the accursed Bolsheviks who run DC have a law against it though.
/

113 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:02:40am

re: #106 tradewind

So One Nation Under God sucks?
Better get to work on a new pledge…

Could just use the one that was used till 1954. Just sayin…

114 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:02:42am

re: #94 Guanxi88

That’s why we’re talking about the motorized wheelchairs, as from the Scooter Store. Unless those aren’t wheelchairs.

Either way.


C’mon stop reminding us that the Health Care bill levys taxes on the same care they are preporting to make more affordable. We’re too busy having a pissing contest over the fact that the protestors talking points aren’t 100% accurate in all cases and using that to discount anything they say! /

115 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:02:45am

re: #90 DaddyG

So…
…how good does the MSM have to be to portray the angry white tea partiers as the prevailing direction of the GOP while simultaneously showing that a nationwide protest call from a GOP congresscritter only garnered a few hundred costumed crusaders on the eve of the Health Care vote?

Not exactly sure how those two statements are mutually exclusive. You can support the moderates purge within the GOP without showing up at Bachmann’s nutjob parade.

116 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:03:09am

re: #105 Sharmuta

Tony Perkins!

PSYCHO!…WOOK OUUUT!

117 abbyadams  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:03:20am

re: #96 tradewind

Someone should tell that to the GOP hacks, then.

118 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:03:23am

re: #107 ohpleaseno

just as bad

Well, let’s just say that tastes differ on this point. The spectacle of protestors is always amusing ad irritating, but I imagine that protesting in the immediate vicinity of those wounded in what your org conisders a criminal war might strike some folk as slightly more distasteful than a gaggle of geeks ranting to each other at the capitol.

Tastes differ.

119 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:03:31am

re: #105 Sharmuta

They should give a bronze star to any celebrity types brave enough to buck BigDem Hollywood. They’re risking their careers.

120 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:03:39am

This is in walking distance for me from work. I thought about going to see what kind of crowds would be there, but I brought my lunch today and didn’t feel like going out. Guess I didn’t miss much.

121 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:03:49am

re: #111 avanti

Saw a report that medicare pays over twice retail for those scooters because Congress won’t allow competitive bidding. Many seniors like them, even if they don’t really need them.

One of the biggest scams on the taxpayer in a long time. Ridiculous.

122 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:01am

re: #82 sattv4u2

Will that include the one that says the Repub plan won’t insure 53 million people!?!?!

just sayin!

I think the CBO is fairly reliable.

123 Dynomite  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:04am

re: #106 tradewind

So One Nation Under God sucks?
Better get to work on a new pledge…

You do realize, don’t you, that the “Under God” line was added over 60 years after the Pledge came into use?

See, they pandered to the religious right even in the 50s.

124 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:07am

re: #118 Guanxi88

bad is bad. varying degrees of style and taste, but bad.

125 Mauser  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:14am

re: #91 Mauser

Damn, should have checked the date on that video. Sorry, it’s from August. I’ll shut up now.

126 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:21am

re: #113 McSpiff

It’s the money that really needs revamping.
///

127 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:27am

I like how Tony Perkins interpreted “expanding coverage” for women could only mean expanding abortion. It couldn’t possibly mean expanded coverage for women’s health and birth control. What a hack.

128 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:44am

re: #106 tradewind

So One Nation Under God sucks?
Better get to work on a new pledge…

We could just go back to the one that was in use prior to 1954, when Congress stuck the words “under God” into the existing version as a slap at the Godless Communists.

129 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:55am

re: #111 avanti

Saw a report that medicare pays over twice retail for those scooters because Congress won’t allow competitive bidding. Many seniors like them, even if they don’t really need them.

since I’m crippled, I’ve been checking out the supercharged model…do they have shoulder harnesses?

130 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:04:56am

re: #106 tradewind

So One Nation Under God sucks?
Better get to work on a new pledge…

How about One nation under a groove?

131 avanti  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:05:06am

re: #101 Guanxi88

Exactly. A motorized wheelchair is not a wheel chair.

Yep, the damn things run you down at the casino. They’ll motor up to the slot machine, get out and walk a few asides, then zoom off in the scooter across the casino. I may rent one just to play bumper cars with them.

132 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:05:12am

re: #123 Dynomite

Who were They? I don’t know the story behind that revision.

133 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:05:23am

re: #50 TDG2112

Ughh! He is the BORINGEST talk show host since Larry King. At least with Rush you get some entertainment. But Mark Levin?! I’ve actually sat through 30 minutes waiting for something interesting. The anti-health care people can have him.

You can say about Mark Levin what someone once said about Bob Dole: No matter what he’s talking about, he sounds like the grouchy old man accusing the neighborhood kids for stealing his newspaper.

134 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:05:52am

re: #130 Mad Al-Jaffee

I might go for ’ in a rut ‘.

135 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:06:11am

re: #131 avanti

Yep, the damn things run you down at the casino. They’ll motor up to the slot machine, get out and walk a few asides, then zoom off in the scooter across the casino. I may rent one just to play bumper cars with them.

They’ve got nice drink-holders, though, and i imagine you could fit a case of cheap canned beer and a carton of tax-free smokes in the little basket on the front.

136 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:06:15am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

I think the CBO is fairly reliable.

Thats correct. So when you poo pooed a link the other day (yesterday?) because it was on a site you don’t care for, yet the REPORT on the site was from the CBO, does that count as “reliable” or not

I’M SOOO CONFUSED!!!

137 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:06:22am

re: #111 avanti

Saw a report that medicare pays over twice retail for those scooters because Congress won’t allow competitive bidding. Many seniors like them, even if they don’t really need them.

Right. So let’s let the government decide what they need, instead.

138 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:06:25am

Oh boy, Virginia Foxx.

139 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:06:31am

re: #66 ArbitraryName

This is the actual section of HR 3962 (Sec. 4061), which deals with the tax on medical devices:

(a) In General- There is hereby imposed on the first taxable sale of any medical device a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the price for which so sold.

`(b) First Taxable Sale- For purposes of this section—

`(1) IN GENERAL- The term `first taxable sale’ means the first sale, for a purpose other than for resale, after production, manufacture, or importation.

`(2) EXCEPTION FOR SALES AT RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS- Such term shall not include the sale of any medical device if—

`(A) such sale is made at a retail establishment on terms which are available to the general public, and

`(B) such medical device is of a type (and purchased in a quantity) which is purchased by the general public.

`(3) EXCEPTION FOR EXPORTS, ETC- Rules similar to the rules of sections 4221 (other than paragraphs (3), (4), (5), and (6) of subsection (a) thereof) and 4222 shall apply for purposes of this section. To the extent provided by the Secretary, section 4222 may be extended to, and made applicable with respect to, the exemption provided by paragraph (2).

`(4) SALES TO PATIENTS NOT TREATED AS RESALES- If a medical device is sold for use in connection with providing any health care service to an individual, such sale shall not be treated as being for the purpose of resale (even if such device is sold to such individual).

That’s the relevant section regarding taxes. If Factcheck claims that 50% of the products would not be taxed, that means that 50% of the items are still being hit with a 2.5% sales tax to fund this mess. That’s a tax hike that is designed to bring in billions over the life of the program. And once this tax is imposed, and revenues need to be hiked to fund the program, don’t think for an instant that Congress wont try to increase and expand the tax base further.

140 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:06:51am

oh geebus, Virginia Fox…

141 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:02am

Kill This Bill !


/lol …

142 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:04am

Kind of funny to use a vaccination analogy to a crowd that’s likely paranoid of vaccinations thanks to Glenn Beck.

143 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:11am

re: #132 tradewind

oldtimeislands.org

144 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:16am

Just added a picture of a couple of signs, up above.

145 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:17am

re: #134 tradewind

I might go for ’ in a rut ‘.

I take it you’re not a P-Funk fan.

146 Dynomite  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:22am

re: #132 tradewind

Who were They? I don’t know the story behind that revision.

Wikipedia may be full of all kinds of garbage, but in this case, it is your friend.

147 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:34am

re: #127 Sharmuta
There are plenty of free birth control clinics in my area, and no one who wants the information or coverage is denied it. That’s not the case nationally?

148 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:45am

re: #115 drcordell

Not exactly sure how those two statements are mutually exclusive. You can support the moderates purge within the GOP without showing up at Bachmann’s nutjob parade.


Perhaps you missed my dripping sarcasm. The left would love to portray the GOP as the party of wingnuts and radicals but when called upon to display their radicalism you can’t get more than a few hundred to show up at a capitol protest.

After the GOP supported Dede in NY and given their lackluster ability to support the most radical voices among them I suspect the great bulk of the center right who identify as life long GOPers aren’t anything like the nightmarish children of the corn scenareo we’re presented with again and again by the left and their media darlings.

149 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:07:50am

re: #136 sattv4u2

Thats correct. So when you poo pooed a link the other day (yesterday?) because it was on a site you don’t care for, yet the REPORT on the site was from the CBO, does that count as “reliable” or not

I’M SOOO CONFUSED!!!

Don’t try to figure out the logic… it’s sort of like Nacy Pelosi’s comment yesterday about the political races… “we won.”

150 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:08:08am

re: #94 Guanxi88

That’s why we’re talking about the motorized wheelchairs, as from the Scooter Store. Unless those aren’t wheelchairs.

Either way.

My mother has a motorized scooter and a modified van to haul it in. Guess I’d better get busy spending my inheritance before this passes.

151 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:08:23am

re: #128 SixDegrees

We could just go back to the one that was in use prior to 1954, when Congress stuck the words “under God” into the existing version as a slap at the Godless Communists.

Well, as long as it was aimed at Communists…that works.

152 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:08:27am

Oh, and sarc tag.

153 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:08:33am

LOL @ the Jersey accent. Sorry.

154 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:08:37am

this guys voice is killing me

155 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:09:01am

re: #143 recusancy

(I wouldn’t put any money on the version that says ’ born and unborn ’ making the cut)…

156 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:09:02am

This feed brings to mind the Orwellian word “Duckspeak”

157 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:09:44am

John Voight the actor or the periodontist?

158 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:09:54am

re: #156 McSpiff

PIMF The cspan feed, not this thread obviously.

159 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:10:03am

I’m loving this …


Never could get enough of the 2008 election season …

160 avanti  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:10:15am

re: #135 Guanxi88

They’ve got nice drink-holders, though, and i imagine you could fit a case of cheap canned beer and a carton of tax-free smokes in the little basket on the front.

I should be clear that there are seniors that really need those things to get around, but many just like a free scooter that are not disabled. A note from a doctor, and medicare buys you a decked out scooter with that nice beep-beep horn so they can beat you to the buffet line.

161 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:10:20am

re: #148 DaddyG

Perhaps you missed my dripping sarcasm. The left would love to portray the GOP as the party of wingnuts and radicals but when called upon to display their radicalism you can’t get more than a few hundred to show up at a capitol protest.

After the GOP supported Dede in NY and given their lackluster ability to support the most radical voices among them I suspect the great bulk of the center right who identify as life long GOPers aren’t anything like the nightmarish children of the corn scenareo we’re presented with again and again by the left and their media darlings.

You don’t see many right-wing rent-a-mobs, that’s for sure.

162 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:10:25am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Don’t try to figure out the logic… it’s sort of like Nacy Pelosi’s comment yesterday about the political races… “we won.”

Walter Walter Walter. How many times do I have to tell you. There were no “RACES” , there was only one!

163 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:10:53am

re: #156 McSpiff

This feed brings to mind the Orwellian word “Duckspeak”

Duckspeak is not always a bad thing…

Duckspeak is a Newspeak term meaning literally to quack like a duck or to speak without thinking. Duckspeak can be either good or “ungood” (bad), depending on who is speaking, and whether what they are saying is in following with the ideals of Big Brother. To speak rubbish and lies may be ungood, but to speak rubbish and lies for the good of “The Party” may be good. In the appendix to 1984, Orwell explains:

“ Ultimately it was hoped to make articulate speech issue from the larynx without involving the higher brain centres at all. This aim was frankly admitted in the Newspeak word duckspeak […]. Like various words in the B vocabulary, duckspeak was ambivalent in meaning. Provided that the opinions which were quacked out were orthodox ones, it implied nothing but praise, and when the Times referred to one of the orators of the Party as a doubleplusgood duckspeaker it was paying a warm and valued compliment. ”
—Orwell, 1984

An example of a skillful duckspeaker in action is provided in the beginning of chapter 9, in which an Inner Party speaker is haranguing the crowd about the crimes of Eurasia when a note is passed into his hand; he does not stop speaking for a moment, or change his voice or manner, but (according to the changed party line) he now condemns the crimes of Eastasia, which is Oceania’s new enemy.

164 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:11:01am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Here’s the CBO actual posting on the matter, which claims that the GOP effort would reduce uninsured by 3 million by 2019, leaving about 52 million uninsured. The results to the actual user would be as follows:

CBO anticipates that the combination of provisions in the amendment would reduce average private health insurance premiums per enrollee in the United States, relative to what they would be under current law-by 7 percent to 10 percent in the small group market, by 5 percent to 8 percent for individually purchased insurance, and by zero to 3 percent in the large group market. Those are averages, however, and they are subject to a great deal of uncertainty; some individuals and families in each market would see different results.
165 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:11:04am

LOL @ the Texan accent. Not sorry.

166 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:11:09am

What I think of when I hear the word “New Jersey“…sorry…and apologies to the normal people there.

167 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:11:16am

Why are the speakers screaming …?

I thought that was a microphone in front of them … !!

168 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:11:31am

A little perspective please.

What is potentially more harmful to our future as a nation?
A. What is going on outside the Capitol today
B. What is going on inside the Capitol today

Explain your answer___

169 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:11:33am

re: #162 sattv4u2

Walter Walter Walter. How many times do I have to tell you. There were no “RACES” , there was only one!

Sorry.

170 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:11:40am

Why do all the speakers seem like the old guy down the street who yells at kids to get off his lawn?

171 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:12:00am

Joe Wilson was right!

172 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:12:15am

re: #159 HC4BO

I’m loving this …

Never could get enough of the 2008 election season …

You own a leather bustier and riding crop don’t you? /

173 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:12:35am

re: #167 HC4BO

Why are the speakers screaming …?

I thought that was a microphone in front of them … !!

it’s a revolution…they have to sound frantic

174 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:12:40am

re: #165 Sharmuta

LOL @ the Texan accent. Not sorry.

Are you actually laughing at certain people because of their accents?

175 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:13:01am

re: #170 Charles

Why do all the speakers seem like the old guy down the street who yells at kids to get off his lawn?

Grass roots?

176 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:13:11am

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

Are you actually laughing at certain people because of their accents?


A Texas accent could be considered a speech impediment in certain parts of the country. /

177 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:13:33am

re: #131 avanti

Yep, the damn things run you down at the casino. They’ll motor up to the slot machine, get out and walk a few asides, then zoom off in the scooter across the casino. I may rent one just to play bumper cars with them.

Uh - this reminds me of the people who bitch about handicappers who park in their designated spaces and then manage to walk into the nearby store under their own power, seemingly spry, without realizing that there are a whole host of diseases that make walking a few hundred feet nearly impossible, without affecting the ability to cover shorter distances unimpaired.

Perhaps your plan would be to force all those college students who sign up for community service to work it off by manually pushing people in ordinary wheelchairs - who are unable to use their arms to operate the wheels themselves - around on their errands.

We wouldn’t want any of those old, non-taxpaying fucks being anything but completely dependent on the government, or the plan won’t work, I guess.

178 Locker  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

Are you actually laughing at certain people because of their accents?

Are you actually policing what other people laugh at?

179 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:13:39am

re: #145 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not such a fan of that Clinton, either.
Maybe once in a long run.

180 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:13:54am

re: #66 ArbitraryName

Welcome, hatchling.

181 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:14:19am

re: #153 Sharmuta

LOL @ the Jersey accent. Sorry.

re: #165 Sharmuta

LOL @ the Texan accent. Not sorry.

Okay ,, who are you and what have you done to Sharmuta?!?!?

182 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:14:30am

A quick statement from Roy ‘Eliminate the Monkey Problem’ Blunt.

183 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:14:32am

re: #178 Locker

Are you actually policing what other people laugh at?

the Chuckle Nazis are on the loose

184 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:14:58am

re: #178 Locker

Are you actually policing what other people laugh at?

I am actually asking a question. DId I really have to explain that to you? If you have any more confusion, just ask, I’ll try to clear it up (the best I can, considering).

185 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:15:00am

re: #178 Locker

Are you trying to police what people can police? errr…

186 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:15:18am

And they say liberals have no jobs …

I guess those “8.2 million” [lol] gathered at the capitol are all small business OWNERS !

187 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:15:31am

re: #178 Locker

Are you actually policing what other people laugh at?

Are you actually defending the practice?

188 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:15:39am

I thought the constitution started with the three words “When in the”

189 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:15:44am

re: #177 SixDegrees

Uh - this reminds me of the people who bitch about handicappers who park in their designated spaces and then manage to walk into the nearby store under their own power, seemingly spry, without realizing that there are a whole host of diseases that make walking a few hundred feet nearly impossible, without affecting the ability to cover shorter distances unimpaired.

My brother was with a partial amputee army buddy when someone yelled at him for parking in the handicapped space. The guy reached down twsited his artifical leg of and thunked it down on top of the car, then said “is that better?”

190 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:15:52am

re: #172 DaddyG

Youtube Video

191 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:16:00am

re: #178 Locker

Are you actually policing what other people laugh at?

It’s a tactic that I have seen progressives, that dismissive chuckle when one has nothing better to add to the discussion.

192 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:16:10am

I speak Texan sin accento.

193 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:16:25am

re: #176 DaddyG
Right in there with that upstate NY sound. For some reason, even the Bronx is easier on the ears down here.

194 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:16:25am

“that’s the day you killed healthcare!” applause

195 simoom  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:16:34am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Obama’s been “subcounciously programed” to hate America?

re: #28 Stanley Sea

I see Boehner. They are standing proudly behind this.

re: #79 Sharmuta

I’m really disappointed in some of the republican leaders playing along with this.

It actually is somewhat surprising the media hasn’t exacted some sort of price for members of Congress piggybacking onto the Tea Party movement.

Ordinarily when a politician attends an event where the discourse steps outside the boundaries of what is considered acceptable for those in higher office, the press loves to demand whether a politician endorses what was said or repudiates it. In the case of the Tea Parties, the press almost seems to be encouraging their behavior (with inordinate amounts of coverage and little criticism).

196 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:16:36am

ha ha


You Lie !

197 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:17:01am

Joe Wilson is running for President 2012 …

198 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:17:14am

re: #178 Locker

Are you actually policing what other people laugh at?

There have been threads dedicated to the inappropriateness of making fun of the way people talk in our storied history. Mostly related to speech impediments and Barney Frank in particular.

199 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:17:16am

re: #185 McSpiff

That sounds like a job for monitor lizards.

200 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:17:21am

thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

201 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:17:43am

Joe Wilson got a hero’s welcome!

202 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:17:51am

re: #189 DaddyG

My brother was with a partial amputee army buddy when someone yelled at him for parking in the handicapped space. The guy reached down twsited his artifical leg of and thunked it down on top of the car, then said “is that better?”

“Well, don’t I feel like a fucking asshole”

— Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men

203 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:18:04am

re: #45 Charles

They just panned acros the crowd — no more than a few hundred people. Almost as many media weasels as tea partiers.

No, no, no, that can’t be right - MIchelle Malkin is proclaiming that “thousands” are there.

Please get your talking points straight. /

204 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:18:04am

Rep. Paul Brown (R-Georgia):

Fellow patriots! Go tell yer congressman you’re not going to eat this rotten stinking fish that is … [unintelligible] health care! We’re going to put a stop sign in front of her steam roll o’ socialism. Go to it patriots!

Might have been drunk.

205 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:18:05am

re: #194 recusancy

Bye, Bye Slice of Medicaire pie

206 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:18:41am

re: #123 Dynomite

You do realize, don’t you, that the “Under God” line was added over 60 years after the Pledge came into use?

See, they pandered to the religious right even in the 50s.

Not to mention God!

207 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:18:47am

PIMF/ Medicare/

208 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:18:58am

Naderite/Paulian Matt Kibbe now. Sheesh. These are the stars.

209 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:19:13am

Joe Wilson gets loud applause.

210 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:19:18am

re: #198 DaddyG

There have been threads dedicated to the inappropriateness of making fun of the way people talk in our storied history. Mostly related to speech impediments and Barney Frank in particular.

That was my point. There has been a lot of damming Rush for making fun of Frank’s accent, and I was just wondering why accents in general, especially in the case of this news coverage, was suddenly so funny and acceptable?

211 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:19:18am

re: #127 Sharmuta

I like how Tony Perkins interpreted “expanding coverage” for women could only mean expanding abortion. It couldn’t possibly mean expanded coverage for women’s health and birth control. What a hack.

Come on, you know that the only reason us wimmins need “coverage” is to kill our bay-bays.
HORS!!!11111!!!
/

(I guess in anti-abortion circles “expanding coverage” is code for abortion…and we all know that these folks do not want birth control covered either)

212 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:19:54am

re: #195 simoom

Ratings baiters

213 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:20:05am

re: #209 Charles

Joe Wilson gets loud applause.

Is Valerie Plame there under cover?
//

214 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:20:06am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

I am actually asking a question. DId I really have to explain that to you? If you have any more confusion, just ask, I’ll try to clear it up (the best I can, considering).

I’ve always loved ethnic humor. With my heritage, if I didn’t I’d be plumb outta luck.

215 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:20:23am

re: #189 DaddyG

My brother was with a partial amputee army buddy when someone yelled at him for parking in the handicapped space. The guy reached down twsited his artifical leg of and thunked it down on top of the car, then said “is that better?”

LOL. How much crow did his accuser manage to consume?

216 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:20:38am

When is Palin speaking ???

217 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:20:40am

re: #210 Walter L. Newton

That was my point. There has been a lot of damming Rush for making fun of Frank’s accent, and I was just wondering why accents in general, especially in the case of this news coverage, was suddenly so funny and acceptable?

Thanks alot Buzz Killington…
/

218 avanti  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #177 SixDegrees

Uh - this reminds me of the people who bitch about handicappers who park in their designated spaces and then manage to walk into the nearby store under their own power, seemingly spry, without realizing that there are a whole host of diseases that make walking a few hundred feet nearly impossible, without affecting the ability to cover shorter distances unimpaired.

Perhaps your plan would be to force all those college students who sign up for community service to work it off by manually pushing people in ordinary wheelchairs - who are unable to use their arms to operate the wheels themselves - around on their errands.

We wouldn’t want any of those old, non-taxpaying fucks being anything but completely dependent on the government, or the plan won’t work, I guess.

Look, there is no question that medicare should provide scooters for those with limited mobility. My point is that many get them that don’t have a real need, and we pay way over retail for each one.
I’d bet a big percentage of scooter sales come from the TV ad’s from companies that scam medicare to buy overpriced or unneeded scooters.

219 Cineaste  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:21:08am

From Wikipedia:

The basic tenets of Maoism include revolutionary struggle of the vast majority of people against the exploiting classes and their state structures, termed a People’s War… a heavy emphasis on political transformation through the mass involvement of the basic people of the society.

[it is described as] a revolutionary concept against imperialism and feudalism.

Um, correct me if I’m wrong but that sounds WAY more like what the 9/12/-Teabagger movement is about than the administration, no? A people’s revolution against imperialism (big government) and the exploiting classes (wall street)?

220 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:21:11am

re: #165 Sharmuta

LOL @ the Texan accent. Not sorry.

A joke is in order. Back in the 1930s, a poor West Texas farm boy wins a scholarship to Harvard. On the first day of registration, he is naturally lost on the strane campus. He spots two upperclassmen, recognizable by their sweaters and general air of hauteur, and approaches them for directions.
“Excuse me, fellers, can you tell me where the library is at?”
One of the seniors eyes the Texan down his nose and responds, “Certainly my good man but, first, this is HARVARD and here at HARVARD, we do not end our sentences with a preposition.”
The Texan hesitates, then says. “Oh, ok then. Can you tell me where the library is at, ASSHOLE?”

221 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:21:20am

re: #210 Walter L. Newton

That was my point. There has been a lot of damming Rush for making fun of Frank’s accent, and I was just wondering why accents in general, especially in the case of this news coverage, was suddenly so funny and acceptable?

Never let hypocricy get in the way of scoring points in a discussion. It is the way of the blogs.

222 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:21:26am

re: #216 HC4BO

They couldn’t afford her.

223 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:21:34am

re: #197 HC4BO

Joe Wilson is running for President 2012 …

Any particular country?

224 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #197 HC4BO

Joe Wilson is running for President 2012 …

Was that the plumber?

225 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:22:27am

re: #148 DaddyG

Perhaps you missed my dripping sarcasm. The left would love to portray the GOP as the party of wingnuts and radicals but when called upon to display their radicalism you can’t get more than a few hundred to show up at a capitol protest.

After the GOP supported Dede in NY and given their lackluster ability to support the most radical voices among them I suspect the great bulk of the center right who identify as life long GOPers aren’t anything like the nightmarish children of the corn scenareo we’re presented with again and again by the left and their media darlings.

I think that’s just the point. Even though the theocrat crazies don’t have the votes to win a Congressional election in a solidly Republican district, the entire GOP is slowly bending to their will. For Christ sakes, the House Minority Leader is a speaker at Bachmann’s event and several other Reps have shown their support.

Nobody is denying that the teabagger crazies are a minority in this country. What’s terrifying is that they appear to have one of this nation’s two political parties by the balls.

226 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:22:34am

You definitely CAN NOT fix stoopid !

227 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:22:43am

re: #181 sattv4u2

Okay ,, who are you and what have you done to Sharmuta?!?!?

Just tickled my funny bone this morning. I had a friend from New Jersey who always said “wuter” for “water” and I always laughed at that. Sorry. He teased me back, like Hoops did at my accent, so it’s all good. I had a neighbor from Ireland whose husband was Polish- talk about a weird accent. I could listen to her for hours, and the ay she said some things cracked me up. Little children are funny like that too.

228 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:22:57am

re: #214 The Sanity Inspector

I’ve always loved ethnic humor. With my heritage, if I didn’t I’d be plumb outta luck.

And so do I. But I think the humor that some are finding in some accents have more to do with politics of “mocking” opponents rather then enjoying self-deprecating humor.

Cheap shots is what I think. But then again, there’s not much left to do when the GOP won yesterday…

229 duck of peace  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:23:22am

best line so far: “With your help we will beat Stupid.”

230 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:23:26am

re: #225 drcordell

I think that’s just the point. Even though the theocrat crazies don’t have the votes to win a Congressional election in a solidly Republican district, the entire GOP is slowly bending to their will. For Christ sakes, the House Minority Leader is a speaker at Bachmann’s event and several other Reps have shown their support.

Nobody is denying that the teabagger crazies are a minority in this country. What’s terrifying is that they appear to have one of this nation’s two political parties by the balls.

And since one of those parties has none…we know which one you speak of.

231 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:23:29am

re: #224 bosforus

Was that the plumber?

Joe Wilson from the “You Lie!” remark. It took me awhile to realize it wasn’t the yellowcake Wilson.

232 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:23:48am

re: #229 duck of peace

best line so far: “With your help we will beat Stupid.”

They all start brawling each other…
/

233 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:23:57am

re: #215 SixDegrees

LOL. How much crow did his accuser manage to consume?

Enough that they were at a loss for words. They just stumbled off red faced and silent according to my brother. I would have loved to witness the event. My brother tells the story much better than I.

I’ve been the recipient of many dirty looks when my seemingly healthy wife parks in the handicapped space and then borrows the electric scooter at the Wal Mart. She broke both her ankles 6 months ago and can’t go far on her own.

234 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #170 Charles

Why do all the speakers seem like the old guy down the street who yells at kids to get off his lawn?

Because they are…

235 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:24:01am

re: #226 HC4BO

You definitely CAN NOT fix stoopid !

Is that a personal problem complaint?

236 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:24:01am

Can’t keep up. Punching out.

237 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:24:19am

re: #218 avanti

Yeah, that’s it - it’s the company’s fault for selling a product people want and for employing a legally available means of financing.

But all that “scamming” will be fine and dandy once the government gets their cut.

238 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:24:30am

Wait… the guy holding the Mao sign is African American?
I thought that tea partiers were all bitter/clinger white guys.
///

239 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #218 avanti

Look, there is no question that medicare should provide scooters for those with limited mobility. My point is that many get them that don’t have a real need, and we pay way over retail for each one.
I’d bet a big percentage of scooter sales come from the TV ad’s from companies that scam medicare to buy overpriced or unneeded scooters.

The point is you have no fucking idea which people in the buffet line at the casino really needs that scooter. And unless you do know for sure, how the hell can you even suggest that they don’t need it, or you question their need?

240 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:25:47am

Boogeymen all over the place …


Obama is a chain smoker ???

Who knew … !?!

241 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:25:57am

re: #231 badger1970

Joe Wilson from the “You Lie!” remark. It took me awhile to realize it wasn’t the yellowcake Wilson.

Oh yeah, that guy.

242 Clemente  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:26:18am

OT - Apparently, there are some things Hollywood just won’t do for money:

The One Place on Earth Not Destroyed in ‘2012’


For “2012,” Emmerich set his sites on destroying the some biggest landmarks around the world, from Rome to Rio. But there’s one place that Emmerich wanted to demolish but didn’t: the Kaaba, the cube-shaped structure located in the center of Mecca. It’s the focus of prayers and the site of the Hajj, the biggest, most important pilgrimage in Islam.

“Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit,” the filmmaker told scifiwire.com. “But my co-writer Harald [Kloser] said, ‘I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie.’ And he was right.”

Emmerich went on: “We have to all, in the western world, think about this. You can actually let Christian symbols fall apart, but if you would do this with [an] Arab symbol, you would have … a fatwa, and that sounds a little bit like what the state of this world is. So it’s just something which I kind of didn’t [think] was [an] important element, anyway, in the film, so I kind of left it out.”

243 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:26:46am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

The point is you have no fucking idea which people in the buffet line at the casino really needs that scooter. And unless you do know for sure, how the hell can you even suggest that they don’t need it, or you question their need?

Cato the Elder and his dog being turned down to serve on jury duty comes to mind here…
Ah…the compassion of the left.

/ducks under desk…

244 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

The point is you have no fucking idea which people in the buffet line at the casino really needs that scooter. And unless you do know for sure, how the hell can you even suggest that they don’t need it, or you question their need?

and he’s a Platinum Loser or whatever, which allows him to cut to the front of the buffet line anyway…how ironic

245 HC4BO  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:27:05am

Wait… the guy holding the Mao sign is African American?

===


That guy is black ???

246 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:27:08am

re: #238 tradewind

Wait… the guy holding the Mao sign is African American?
I thought that tea partiers were all bitter/clinger white guys.
///

They are

except for people like Herman Cain, Eric Hunt, Jesse Lee Peterson, Snerdley, etc etc etc etc etc

247 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:27:14am

re: #210 Walter L. Newton

Thinking that Barney Frank’s speech pattern is more of an affectation than an impediment.

248 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:27:16am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

It’s a tactic that I have seen progressives, that dismissive chuckle when one has nothing better to add to the discussion.

Youtube Video

249 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:27:25am

re: #242 Clemente

OT - Apparently, there are some things Hollywood just won’t do for money:

The One Place on Earth Not Destroyed in ‘2012’

Because they are spineless cowards.

250 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:27:53am

re: #246 sattv4u2

Oh well… exception/proving rule/yada yada.

251 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:28:16am

Heritage claims 10,000 at the DC rally.

A photo from in the midst of the rally doesn’t really give you any idea of the size. Overhead shot would be a much better guide.

252 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:28:19am

Jean Schmidt? Was she the sekrit nirther?

253 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:28:42am

re: #247 tradewind

Thinking that Barney Frank’s speech pattern is more of an affectation than an impediment.

his lips are worn out, atrophied

254 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:28:47am

re: #247 tradewind

Thinking that Barney Frank’s speech pattern is more of an affectation than an impediment.

I normally don’t feel affectionate to Barney Franks…

255 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:28:51am

re: #245 HC4BO
I think person of color would be more accurate. I could be wrong.

256 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:29:21am

re: #252 Sharmuta

Jean Schmidt? Was she the sekrit nirther?

Yes. The whispering nirther.

257 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:29:21am

re: #254 Walter L. Newton

Chuckle. So there are times?…

258 duck of peace  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:29:38am

holy crap…just panned the “crowd”…anemic. This is almost hilarious, if it wasn’t so sad.

I frickin’ hate this health care bill, but these idiots are most of the problem. The idiot R reps and the drooling idiot followers who flew in (all 200 of them) because their favorite talk show host said today was the day of the Great Revolution!

If our side wasn’t surrounded by these idiots I doubt such an atrocious bill would have passed.

259 teh flowah  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:29:47am

Careful Charles,

The blogs are going to pounce on your crowd estimate figure and run with it with no substantiation. Not like it hasn’t happened before.

260 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:29:54am

re: #225 drcordell

My understanding is that Speakers and Minority Leaders are selected on the basis of seniority and relative safety from being defeated in their districts… Unless of course you want to make the argument that Nancy Pelosi and her views represent the mainstream of the Democratic party.

261 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:08am

re: #245 HC4BO

Wait… the guy holding the Mao sign is African American?

===

That guy is black ???

And? Can you try to include us in your conversation?

262 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:15am

re: #253 albusteve

his lips are worn out, atrophied

I thought ‘atrophy’ was the result from a ‘lack of’ use?

263 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:18am

re: #253 albusteve

/brain bleach/
I had not gone there.

264 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:20am

re: #237 SixDegrees

CNN did a report on a “scooter scam”..(right now I don’t have a link). They also covered rampant Medicare fraud in California — these were scams run by organized criminal gangs (and for all over the world — Russian mobsters, Nigerians, etc.). The “scam” is very, very easy to do, and it nets multi-millions of dollars (CNN described the scam.) Interestd in knowing how it works?

265 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:27am

Rep Mary Fallin (R-OK) “Let’s send a signal - No you can’t!” Now there’s a slogan for the GOP.

266 fizzlogic  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:51am

re: #251 lawhawk

I wonder how many out in the crowd are the congressmen’s staffers, 80% maybe? heh

267 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:57am

re: #262 Oh no…Sand People!

/details/

268 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:31:03am

re: #262 Oh no…Sand People!

I thought ‘atrophy’ was the result from a ‘lack of’ use?

I’m a Lip Doctor…don’t dispute me!

269 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:31:29am

I think we should hereby ban all links to lolcats because lolcats makes fun of cat accents.

Don’t be an anti-felinite.

270 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:31:41am

re: #258 duck of peace

If our side wasn’t surrounded by these idiots I doubt such an atrocious bill would have passed.

what bill “passed” !?!?!

271 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:31:42am

re: #672 Oh no…Sand People! from previous thread

We might be related if those forefathers of yours made a stop in Logan, UT. Any Maughans in your tree?

272 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:31:45am

“No you can’t”!?

*facepalm* I used to think we were the lead gladiators in the ‘Arena of Ideas’…but we aren’t even trying anymore…

273 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:31:45am

re: #265 Charles

“No you can’t!”
“We killed healthcare!”

yayyy “freedom lovers”!

274 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:16am

re: #238 tradewind

Wait… the guy holding the Mao sign is African American?
I thought that tea partiers were all bitter/clinger white guys.
///

African American like Theresa Heinz Kerry?
//

275 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:21am

re: #219 Cineaste

From Wikipedia:

Um, correct me if I’m wrong but that sounds WAY more like what the 9/12/-Teabagger movement is about than the administration, no? A people’s revolution against imperialism (big government) and the exploiting classes (wall street)?

Not even remotely close. Hell, not even in the same area code. Tea partiers are more of a populist movement, whereas Maoism is a people’s movement. There is a distinction, of course, between these two - populism purports to be a movement of the people and for the people, whereas a people’s movement purports to be a movement for the people of the vanguard. Very different things.

276 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:27am

If Fallin means ’ No You Can’t take over one sixth of our economy and mishandle it a’ la post office or FEMA ‘, then yeah… I hope No They Can’t.

277 duck of peace  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:35am

re: #270 sattv4u2

Sorry, jumping the gun there. But if this is the best the opposition party has, its pretty much a done deal.

278 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:39am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

And? Can you try to include us in your conversation?

From reading his posts ,…I’d rather not

279 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:42am

re: #242 Clemente

OT - Apparently, there are some things Hollywood just won’t do for money:

The One Place on Earth Not Destroyed in ‘2012’

Orsen Scott Card had Mecca as a radioactive crater in one of the Ender’s Game shadow novels.

280 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:54am

re: #165 Sharmuta

LOL @ the Texan accent. Not sorry.

This native Texan and Cornell grad takes umbrage.
What you are hearing is actually what I call a “poli-Texan” accent, an exaggerated drawl used by politicians in the mistaken belief that real people talk that way in this part of the world. It is an almost institutionalized variant of plain folks propaganda here. The obnoxious Phil Gramm (a professor of economics in real life) was a prime example.

Another one was a local DA candidate whose commercials featured him riding across the prarie on an apaloosa stallion and speaking in prime good ol’ boy poli-tex. In fact, the man was a British immigrant, he had an expensive public school education, and in private he spoke with a classic Oxonian accent. He lost the election.

281 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:55am

re: #264 J.S.

CNN did a report on a “scooter scam”..(right now I don’t have a link). They also covered rampant Medicare fraud in California — these were scams run by organized criminal gangs (and for all over the world — Russian mobsters, Nigerians, etc.). The “scam” is very, very easy to do, and it nets multi-millions of dollars (CNN described the scam.) Interestd in knowing how it works?

Sure.

282 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:32:56am

this whole “rally” is nothing but a bunch of congressmen quoting other people

283 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:33:00am

re: #265 Charles

Rep Mary Fallin (R-OK) “Let’s send a signal - No you can’t!” Now there’s a slogan for the GOP.


I prefer “We really wish you wouldn’t”

284 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:33:07am

re: #271 bosforus

from previous thread

We might be related if those forefathers of yours made a stop in Logan, UT. Any Maughans in your tree?

Begins as a Larsen, then over to an Anderson. Oxford, Clifton Idaho area etc.

But the wife is Logan / Smithfield / Hyrum progeny.

285 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:33:17am

re: #258 duck of peace

holy crap…just panned the “crowd”…anemic. This is almost hilarious, if it wasn’t so sad.

I frickin’ hate this health care bill, but these idiots are most of the problem. The idiot R reps and the drooling idiot followers who flew in (all 200 of them) because their favorite talk show host said today was the day of the Great Revolution!

If our side wasn’t surrounded by these idiots I doubt such an atrocious bill would have passed.

why are you so freaked out about 200 idiots?…are they powerful enough to hijack the GOP or not?…and no health bill has passed yet…relax and enjoy Americans doing what they do

286 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:33:58am

re: #274 rwdflynavy

She really did have the chutzpah with that one. What was it, Mozambique or Madagascar?

287 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:34:01am
288 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:34:18am

re: #274 rwdflynavy

African American like Theresa Heinz Kerry?
//

‘Continental’ no less…

289 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:34:32am

re: #260 DaddyG

My understanding is that Speakers and Minority Leaders are selected on the basis of seniority and relative safety from being defeated in their districts… Unless of course you want to make the argument that Nancy Pelosi and her views represent the mainstream of the Democratic party.

Uh, yes I would say that Nancy Pelosi by and large represents the mainstream of the Democratic Party. She’s the one charged with enacting their legislative agenda, so I would imagine it would be one that the majority of Democrats can get in line with.

You can honestly type with a straight face that GOP Congressional leadership figures are speaking at Bachmann’s teabag-fest, but aren’t endorsing the viewpoints she’s espousing? Keep digging.

290 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:34:56am

re: #280 shiplord kirel

This native Texan and Cornell grad takes umbrage.
What you are hearing is actually what I call a “poli-Texan” accent, an exaggerated drawl used by politicians in the mistaken belief that real people talk that way in this part of the world. It is an almost institutionalized variant of plain folks propaganda here. The obnoxious Phil Gramm (a professor of economics in real life) was a prime example.

Another one was a local DA candidate whose commercials featured him riding across the prarie on an apaloosa stallion and speaking in prime good ol’ boy poli-tex. In fact, the man was a British immigrant, he had an expensive public school education, and in private he spoke with a classic Oxonian accent. He lost the election.

I thought only Oprah/Obama did that.

291 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:35:02am

And Hillary.

292 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #284 Oh no…Sand People!

Begins as a Larsen, then over to an Anderson. Oxford, Clifton Idaho area etc.

But the wife is Logan / Smithfield / Hyrum progeny.

My great grand father was an Anderson from Oxford! Stopped at the cemetery there with my parents to check out some headstones last summer. Neat-o!

293 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:35:21am

re: #258 duck of peace

holy crap…just panned the “crowd”…anemic. This is almost hilarious, if it wasn’t so sad.

I frickin’ hate this health care bill, but these idiots are most of the problem. The idiot R reps and the drooling idiot followers who flew in (all 200 of them) because their favorite talk show host said today was the day of the Great Revolution!

If our side wasn’t surrounded by these idiots I doubt such an atrocious bill would have passed.

And you just made a point I don’t think you were attempting to make. The crowd was anemic… as in, these right wing loons do not make as much of a impact on things as the progressives want the country to think.

Yesterdays loss in NY23 and this turnout today, along with Steele statement yesterday proves my point.

This progressive meme that the loony right is going to bring down the GOP is a false flag operation and it is not being bared out by reality.

And, the left better start paying attention to what is happening with in their own party, because internally, they are loosing support for some of their pet projects.

The left was hoping that if they banged the loony rights meme loud enough, people would not pay attention to what crap they were trying to shove down our throats.

Didn’t work, the country is paying attention, very careful attention.

294 sagehen  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:35:24am

re: #127 Sharmuta

I like how Tony Perkins interpreted “expanding coverage” for women could only mean expanding abortion. It couldn’t possibly mean expanded coverage for women’s health and birth control. What a hack.

Poor ignorant Tony has obviously never spoken to a woman whose pregnancy panic is due to being a previous c-section, eclampsia, collapsed cervix, or other high-risk; that more expansive coverage would give her the reassurance to take that pregnancy to term.

295 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:36:12am

re: #271 bosforus

from previous thread

We might be related if those forefathers of yours made a stop in Logan, UT. Any Maughans in your tree?

You guys are all related. And odds are my grandchildren will be too. /only half sarcasm

296 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:36:22am

what is that guy screaming in the background?

297 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:36:53am

re: #287 Conservative Moonbat

One thing I really don’t think liberals want to start doing is comparing pictures from rallies with conservatives. There’s no upside in it for ‘em, ‘specially when the nekkid** ones start getting passed around…///
**(Use of nekkid vs naked deliberate here).

298 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:36:55am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

well said

299 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:37:34am

re: #292 bosforus

My great grand father was an Anderson from Oxford! Stopped at the cemetery there with my parents to check out some headstones last summer. Neat-o!

My grandfather was one of 6 Harolds, at the time, in Oxford / Clifton, he was born in 1897. 10 kids in his family, many ended up in the Pocatello Idaho area. Could be…could be…

Small world…as I type from the Philippines…

300 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:37:34am

re: #280 shiplord kirel

Perhaps that’s why I found it humorous. It struck me as exaggerated, and theatrical, and this is political theatre. I laughed. I enjoy accents, and don’t take offense when people laugh at mine. It’s not something I mock people for, but finding humor in the way people say things is a long running theme in the halls of comedy.

301 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:37:46am

“Your efforts to stop this bill are being heard loud and clear,” Cantor told the thousands gathered at the base of the Capitol in what some billed as a smaller reunion of the 9/12 rallies. “Be assured not one Republican will vote for this bill.”

Yeah, that really sounds like someone who doesn’t speak for the GOP as a whole…

302 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:37:46am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton
Oooh, good point…

303 abbyadams  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:38:21am

re: #287 Conservative Moonbat

Wow. Let’s just jump right into the deep end. Offensive.

304 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:38:36am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Well said Walter.

305 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #300 Sharmuta

Perhaps that’s why I found it humorous. It struck me as exaggerated, and theatrical, and this is political theatre. I laughed. I enjoy accents, and don’t take offense when people laugh at mine. It’s not something I mock people for, but finding humor in the way people say things is a long running theme in the halls of comedy.

Ever been to Baltimore? I love the way they talk there.

306 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Yesterdays loss in NY23 and this turnout today, along with Steele statement yesterday proves my point.

This progressive meme that the loony right is going to bring down the GOP is a false flag operation and it is not being bared out by reality.

And, the left better start paying attention to what is happening with in their own party, because internally, they are loosing support for some of their pet projects.

The left was hoping that if they banged the loony rights meme loud enough, people would not pay attention to what crap they were trying to shove down our throats.

Didn’t work, the country is paying attention, very careful attention.

The Left spends a huge amount of effort telling the Right who the Right is and what the Right believes.

307 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:39:30am

re: #281 SixDegrees

Ok. What you do is 1) first, you steal identities — specifically doctor identities OR you recruit “bad” doctors. 2) You scout out an impoverished inner city slum area. (you’re looking for poor people — hopefully drug addicts or alcoholics in need of drug/alcohol — but who also have a Medicare card.) 3) You set up an “office” — that’s your “clinic” — consisting of desk/table/telephone. 4) get a P.O drop box.That’s where the govt will be mailing in all your checks. 5) Get the drunks/addicts to drop by (you pay them 100 dollars per “visit” to drop by your “office.”) 6) Bill medicare. (and you’ll be rolling in dough…so long as the FBI doesn’t catch you…The latest FBI bust caught a group of Nigerians.)

308 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:39:30am

re: #306 cliffster

But something makes me think I’m watching it live.

309 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:39:49am

Heh, use this card as a debit care, not as a credit card. That is a great slogan.

310 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:39:54am

re: #306 cliffster

The Left spends a huge amount of effort telling the Right who the Right is and what the Right believes.

You’re right. Michelle Bachmann is a sekrit librul. It’s a vast left-wing conspiracy I tells ya!

311 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:40:03am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

And you just made a point I don’t think you were attempting to make. The crowd was anemic… as in, these right wing loons do not make as much of a impact on things as the progressives want the country to think.

Yesterdays loss in NY23 and this turnout today, along with Steele statement yesterday proves my point.

This progressive meme that the loony right is going to bring down the GOP is a false flag operation and it is not being bared out by reality.

And, the left better start paying attention to what is happening with in their own party, because internally, they are loosing support for some of their pet projects.

The left was hoping that if they banged the loony rights meme loud enough, people would not pay attention to what crap they were trying to shove down our throats.

Didn’t work, the country is paying attention, very careful attention.

I have but only 1 ding to give…

312 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:40:13am

re: #306 cliffster

The Left spends a huge amount of effort telling the Right who the Right is and what the Right believes.

right here on this very blog…LUNATICS!

313 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:40:42am

re: #306 cliffster

As does The Right. In politics, thats half the battle.

314 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:40:57am

Knowing is the other half.

315 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:04am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Then why are these leaders of the party pandering to these people?

316 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #295 DaddyG

You guys are all related. And odds are my grandchildren will be too. /only half sarcasm

True. But we’re generationally so far apart now that it’s fun to find each other in the dark and dreary world of teh internets.


re: #299 Oh no…Sand People!

Didn’t bring my genealogy folder to work or we could really pinpoint this thing right now. Guess we should go to Disneyland or something to celebrate our possible brotherhood. There’s so much to catch up on. /

317 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:10am
318 baier  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:24am

re: #306 cliffster

The Left spends a huge amount of effort telling the Right who the Right is and what the Right believes.

To be fair, the Right does the same thing.

319 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:28am

re: #305 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ever been to Baltimore? I love the way they talk there.

I love Southern accents.

320 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #300 Sharmuta

Perhaps that’s why I found it humorous. It struck me as exaggerated, and theatrical, and this is political theatre. I laughed. I enjoy accents, and don’t take offense when people laugh at mine. It’s not something I mock people for, but finding humor in the way people say things is a long running theme in the halls of comedy.

’S ok then. Y’all carry on.

321 subsailor68  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #300 Sharmuta

Perhaps that’s why I found it humorous. It struck me as exaggerated, and theatrical, and this is political theatre. I laughed. I enjoy accents, and don’t take offense when people laugh at mine. It’s not something I mock people for, but finding humor in the way people say things is a long running theme in the halls of comedy.

Hi Sharmuta! I agree with you. If it’s not mean-spirited, it’s not a problem for me. I may have posted this joke before, but it makes the point. It was told to me by an old friend who grew up in Georgia:

A good-old Southern boy is zipping along the highway doing about 90. He’s pulled over by a state trooper.

The trooper walks up to the car, taps on the window and says, “Son, you got an ID?”

And the good-old boy says, “Bout what?”

322 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:41:55am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

And you just made a point I don’t think you were attempting to make. The crowd was anemic… as in, these right wing loons do not make as much of a impact on things as the progressives want the country to think.

Yesterdays loss in NY23 and this turnout today, along with Steele statement yesterday proves my point.

This progressive meme that the loony right is going to bring down the GOP is a false flag operation and it is not being bared out by reality.

And, the left better start paying attention to what is happening with in their own party, because internally, they are loosing support for some of their pet projects.

The left was hoping that if they banged the loony rights meme loud enough, people would not pay attention to what crap they were trying to shove down our throats.

Didn’t work, the country is paying attention, very careful attention.

You can try to pin the teabag movement on “the left” all you want, but that won’t make it true. Look towards Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity et al. for starting this lunacy.

323 Dynomite  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:00am

re: #206 rwdflynavy

Not to mention God!

Luckily, mine doesn’t require pandering. Just daily animal sacrifice.

324 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #306 cliffster

The Left spends a huge amount of effort telling the Right who the Right is and what the Right believes.

We see it all the time.

325 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:02am

re: #312 albusteve
There was a cartoon showing some democrats having a nightmare of Sarah Palin as president with Veep Michelle Bachmann. Not happening, but the left would love to convince us that it will.

326 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:30am

Yeah, yeah. You get five Mormons together in a room, and three of the five know someone in common and the other two are related.

(Actually, my husband and my sister’s husband are distant cousins, so it really is sort of true.)

327 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:31am

re: #307 J.S.

Ok. What you do is 1) first, you steal identities — specifically doctor identities OR you recruit “bad” doctors. 2) You scout out an impoverished inner city slum area. (you’re looking for poor people — hopefully drug addicts or alcoholics in need of drug/alcohol — but who also have a Medicare card.) 3) You set up an “office” — that’s your “clinic” — consisting of desk/table/telephone. 4) get a P.O drop box.That’s where the govt will be mailing in all your checks. 5) Get the drunks/addicts to drop by (you pay them 100 dollars per “visit” to drop by your “office.”) 6) Bill medicare. (and you’ll be rolling in dough…so long as the FBI doesn’t catch you…The latest FBI bust caught a group of Nigerians.)

Steps 1 - 4 of your outline of the scam sound like start-up instructions for a medically-oriented community organizer.

328 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:32am

re: #319 Sharmuta

I love Southern accents.

Baltimore’s not really the south, hon.

329 sagehen  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:32am

re: #147 tradewind

There are plenty of free birth control clinics in my area, and no one who wants the information or coverage is denied it. That’s not the case nationally?

No, it’s not.

And some of the places that do have such clinics, if it’s the only one within 100 miles and your church is there picketing every day, how comfortable is it to walk in the front door? Anti-abortion extremists don’t seem to realize that Planned Parenthood offers a whole range of services; women going for pap smears or prenatal vitamins have to make their way through a gauntlet of chopped-up barbie dolls slathered in ketchup.

330 mikhailtheplumber  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:38am

re: #90 DaddyG

So…
…how good does the MSM have to be to portray the angry white tea partiers as the prevailing direction of the GOP while simultaneously showing that a nationwide protest call from a GOP congresscritter only garnered a few hundred costumed crusaders on the eve of the Health Care vote?

Why, yes. All the problems the GOP is facing can be blamed on the MSM.

If only. Sadly, conservatives have brought this upon themselves.

331 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:38am

re: #315 Sharmuta

Then why are these leaders of the party pandering to these people?

Outside of what it means to do so on this blog, you actually consider Michelle Bachman a leader of the Republican party?

This is her event, which is why the #’s are so low.

Her own staff is bailing on her.

332 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:42:45am

re: #316 bosforus

True. But we’re generationally so far apart now that it’s fun to find each other in the dark and dreary world of teh internets.

re: #299 Oh no…Sand People!

Didn’t bring my genealogy folder to work or we could really pinpoint this thing right now. Guess we should go to Disneyland or something to celebrate our possible brotherhood. There’s so much to catch up on. /

Next July is when we are going. You should join in. Wife’s side of the family…so anyone that can help me keep my sanity is welcome…wait…did I just type that?…heh.

333 fizzlogic  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:43:09am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

So when do you think this message will be received by those speaking on the podium?

334 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:43:11am

re: #315 Sharmuta

Then why are these leaders of the party pandering to these people?

because they are weak or lack sound conservative principles?…they will go down with the ship then

335 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:43:12am

re: #320 shiplord kirel

’S ok then. Y’all carry on.

{SK}

336 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:43:37am

re: #328 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not even close.
Used to be, I think. Now it’s just a bedroom of DC.

337 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:43:39am

re: #323 Dynomite

Luckily, mine doesn’t require pandering. Just daily animal sacrifice.

Mmm…bacon…

338 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #289 drcordell

Uh, yes I would say that Nancy Pelosi by and large represents the mainstream of the Democratic Party. She’s the one charged with enacting their legislative agenda, so I would imagine it would be one that the majority of Democrats can get in line with.

You can honestly type with a straight face that GOP Congressional leadership figures are speaking at Bachmann’s teabag-fest, but aren’t endorsing the viewpoints she’s espousing? Keep digging.


My own words are enough for my mouth, you don’t need to add yours to them. I was “espousing” that the 200 people on the Captiol steps including the Minority leader do not represent the GOP or those who traditionally consider themselves center-right conservative. They may be a vocal bunch but as events in New York 23 showed they do not yet run the party or reflect the broader population of those who consider themselves conservative. In fact I just said above that I hoped Steele got the message from the last election that neither RINOs or Wingnuts will succeed in 2010 and its time to start governing the GOP with that in mind.

I repeat my question above… Which is more dangerous to the national future: the events inside or outside of the Capitol?

339 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:43:54am

re: #333 trendsurfer

So when do you think this message will be received by those speaking on the podium?

Yeah, how dare that “leftist” Eric Cantor impose his liberal views on the GOP.

340 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:44:00am

re: #328 Mad Al-Jaffee

Baltimore’s not really the south, hon.

I was just mentioning a kind I enjoy. I’ve never been to Baltimore, so I will take your word for it.

341 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:44:05am

re: #327 Guanxi88

Steps 1 - 4 of your outline of the scam sound like start-up instructions for a medically-oriented community organizer.

ACORN calls that the #7.

342 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:44:17am

re: #325 tradewind

There was a cartoon showing some democrats having a nightmare of Sarah Palin as president with Veep Michelle Bachmann. Not happening, but the left would love to convince us that it will.

No, but how entertaining would a primary with Bachman, King, Palin and old Huck-A-Buck be?

343 baier  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:44:41am

re: #328 Mad Al-Jaffee

Baltimore’s not really the south, hon.

It’s bellow the Mason-Dixon line.

344 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:44:45am

re: #321 subsailor68

A bus stops and two Italian men get on. They seat themselves, and engage in animated conversation. The lady sitting behind them ignores their conversation at first, but her attention is galvanized when she hears one of the men say the following;

“Emma come first. Den I come. Den two asses come together. I come once-a-more. Two asses, they come together again. I come again and pee twice. Den I come one lasta time.”

“You foul-mouthed swine,” retorted the lady indignantly. In this country we don’t talk about our sex lives in public!”

“Hey, coola down lady,” said the man. “Who talkin abouta sexa?
Imma justa tellun my frienda how to spella ‘Mississippi.’”

345 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:45:02am

It’s the party of the angry white guy

346 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:45:10am

Man, I’d hate to have Mario Diaz Balart yelling at me to get out of his yard. Looked like he was going to pop a vein in his forehead.

347 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:45:32am

re: #342 webevintage

Not so much.
I guess Huckabee was gov next door long enough for me to be not amused. Besides, he’d have to take a real pay cut.
Do you mean Peter King?

348 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:45:32am

re: #307 J.S.

Ok. What you do is 1) first, you steal identities — specifically doctor identities OR you recruit “bad” doctors. 2) You scout out an impoverished inner city slum area. (you’re looking for poor people — hopefully drug addicts or alcoholics in need of drug/alcohol — but who also have a Medicare card.) 3) You set up an “office” — that’s your “clinic” — consisting of desk/table/telephone. 4) get a P.O drop box.That’s where the govt will be mailing in all your checks. 5) Get the drunks/addicts to drop by (you pay them 100 dollars per “visit” to drop by your “office.”) 6) Bill medicare. (and you’ll be rolling in dough…so long as the FBI doesn’t catch you…The latest FBI bust caught a group of Nigerians.)

So this doesn’t involve anyone getting a scooter. Avanti’s complaint sinks like the Titanic into the cold, icy water of reality.

A couple of points. First, this sounds more like Medicaid than Medicare fraud, given the population involved. A minor quibble. Second, there’s a damn good reason a lot of companies won’t ship to a P.O. box or other drop box - fraud is a huge risk in such cases, and I’m stunned to find out that the government hasn’t figured this out and will happily mail checks to such an address. It actually makes the idea of letting these clowns run an even larger portion of the medical system more terrifying than it already was.

349 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:45:51am

re: #338 DaddyG

I was “espousing” that the 200 people on the Captiol steps including the Minority leader do not represent the GOP

Right. So Eric Cantor doesn’t represent the GOP anymore. When he guarantees the crowd in his speech that not one Republican will vote for this bill, he’s just making that up? Not authorized to speak for the GOP despite the fact that he is a member of the party leadership?

If the House Minority Whip doesn’t speak for the GOP’s official positions, who does?

350 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:45:52am

re: #289 drcordell

Keep digging.

…was that last jab really necessary?

351 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:46:00am

re: #315 Sharmuta

Then why are these leaders of the party pandering to these people?

Because they are politicians and they are not just playing the game you want them to play. Doesn’t make them right, but it doesn’t make it the end of the GOP. They will learn, or they will lose, even good comes out of these things, as seen in the loony right defeat yesterday in NY23 and Steeles remarks, but don’t worry, the GOP is not going away, sorry.

352 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:46:05am

re: #331 Ben Hur

Outside of what it means to do so on this blog, you actually consider Michelle Bachman a leader of the Republican party?

This is her event, which is why the #’s are so low.

Her own staff is bailing on her.

Cantor and Boehner were there.

353 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:46:22am

re: #340 Sharmuta

I was just mentioning a kind I enjoy. I’ve never been to Baltimore, so I will take your word for it.

the Inner Harbor is awesome, very cool…a few blocks away and you better be armed

354 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #327 Guanxi88

A number of years ago there was a scam like this in Canada — only the fraudsters were billing Ontario “medicare”, and the “clinic” was based in the United States. (I believe it was to “cure” Canadian drug addicts or something like that…but it was a scam.)

355 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:46:53am

Well, gotta go all. Airport beckons.

356 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:47:02am

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

Why would you apologize to me for telling me my party isn’t dying?

357 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #333 trendsurfer

So when do you think this message will be received by those speaking on the podium?

Some of them got it yesterday, in NY23 race.

358 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #11 DaddyG

The Dems are getting in on the act with a counter protest . It looks like 100,000 at least in Lieberman’s office. //

crazies to the left of me, crazies to the right. I guess it’s the best way to know you’re in the correct place.

359 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:47:27am

re: #322 drcordell

You can try to pin the teabag movement on “the left” all you want, but that won’t make it true. Look towards Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity et al. for starting this lunacy.

Walter’s point has nothing to do with that, as far as I can tell.

360 duck of peace  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:47:32am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

And you just made a point I don’t think you were attempting to make. The crowd was anemic… as in, these right wing loons do not make as much of a impact on things as the progressives want the country to think.

Yesterdays loss in NY23 and this turnout today, along with Steele statement yesterday proves my point.

This progressive meme that the loony right is going to bring down the GOP is a false flag operation and it is not being bared out by reality.

And, the left better start paying attention to what is happening with in their own party, because internally, they are loosing support for some of their pet projects.

The left was hoping that if they banged the loony rights meme loud enough, people would not pay attention to what crap they were trying to shove down our throats.

Didn’t work, the country is paying attention, very careful attention.

You make a good point, however if it is a conspiracy to try and make the entire GOP look retarded, then most of the R congress reps are in on it too. Where is a die hard conservative politician that is willing to trash tea parties ? How about abortion clinic bombers = terrorists? I know they are out there somewhere…right?

361 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:47:50am

yay! word counts!

362 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:01am

re: #356 Sharmuta

Why would you apologize to me for telling me my party isn’t dying?

I apologize. I’m not a Republican and sometimes I forget that there are a few of them out there, and I get cocky… sorry.

363 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #340 Sharmuta

I was just mentioning a kind I enjoy. I’ve never been to Baltimore, so I will take your word for it.

Watch some John Waters movies (esecially the early ones) for great Bawlmore talk.

364 subsailor68  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:20am

re: #346 Charles

Man, I’d hate to have Mario Diaz Balart yelling at me to get out of his yard. Looked like he was going to pop a vein in his forehead.

Heh. Guess his favorite movie is Clint Eastwood’s “Gran Morono”.

365 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:32am

re: #352 Sharmuta

Cantor and Boehner were there.

Ah.

I’m surprised that they would go anywhere near her.

Not smart by a long shot.

366 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:33am

re: #352 Sharmuta

Every Democrat running in the last election went to the nutroots convention and spoke to/bowed at the altar of Kos with the exception of Biden, for which I give him credit.
It’s just part and parcel of the pander.

367 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:36am

i thought they didn’t want to be the party of no

368 baier  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:50am

re: #363 Mad Al-Jaffee

Watch some John Waters movies (esecially the early ones) for great Bawlmore talk.

Pink Flamingo is burned into my brain…I’ll never look at chickens the same way.

369 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #330 mikhailtheplumber

Why, yes. All the problems the GOP is facing can be blamed on the MSM.

If only. Sadly, conservatives have brought this upon themselves.

I never said or implied that. The GOP has created a lot of their own problems and the MSM is only happy to report them. However how do they continue the simultaneous memes of “the GOP is run by loonies” along with showing the evidence that the GOP can’t get a decent sized crowd of loonies together on a good day for protests?

370 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:49:02am

re: #347 tradewind

Not so much.
I guess Huckabee was gov next door long enough for me to be not amused. Besides, he’d have to take a real pay cut.
Do you mean Peter King?

Oh no, I mean Steve King from Iowa. Bachman told him the other day she thought he would make a great President.
Huck was a good gov’ner, I really did not have many issues with him except his love of “love offerings” in the form of gifts and his PAC. He managed not to screw things up and even pissed off The Club For Growth folks.
I still think he seems more of a nut when running for Pres.
and you are probably right he will never want to give up that FOX gig now that he is used to the $$$ he gets.

371 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:49:21am

As they cram each politician into shorter and shorter speeches, trying to get them all in front of the cameras before it’s over, they’re boiling it down to the essential issues — populism, social conservatism, and nativism. No federal funding for abortions, no health care for illegal immigrants.

372 Dynomite  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #337 Oh no…Sand People!

Mmm…bacon…

Not on the menu. Just the soy stuff.

373 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:50:21am

re: #359 SixDegrees

Walter’s point has nothing to do with that, as far as I can tell.

“The crowd was anemic… as in, these right wing loons do not make as much of a impact on things as the progressives want the country to think.”

“The left was hoping that if they banged the loony rights meme loud enough, people would not pay attention to what crap they were trying to shove down our throats.”

I don’t know how else to interpret that other than “the left is the driving force behind hyping the teabag lunacy.”

374 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:50:25am

Wow, these loons are still ranting?

375 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:50:25am

I guess we have to hang out for the grand finale - Bachmann.

376 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:50:43am

re: #348 SixDegrees

CNN also did another report (as I noted earlier) on how the scooter scam operates. That scam typically involves a company which builds scooters, promoting their “sales” of extraordinarily over priced items, and, basically, getting their asking price. (for the details, i’d have to look that one up on CNN’s website.)

377 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:50:45am
no health care for illegal immigrants.

That makes total sense to me.

378 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:51:22am

re: #371 Charles

And compassion? where is that?

379 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:51:24am

re: #375 Stanley Sea

I guess we have to hang out for the grand finale - Bachmann.

Time to pop that popcorn…

380 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:51:44am

Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD) had the crowd chanting “NO NO NO NO… etc.”

381 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:52:24am

re: #371 Charles

As they cram each politician into shorter and shorter speeches, trying to get them all in front of the cameras before it’s over, they’re boiling it down to the essential issues — populism, social conservatism, and nativism. No federal funding for abortions, no health care for illegal immigrants.

Let’s see, not enough H1N1 vaccine on hand. All we need now is a mobile underclass of people who can’t get vaccinations.
/

382 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:52:36am

re: #378 Ojoe

That’s a dirty word, along with empathy.

383 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:52:37am

re: #365 Ben Hur

Ah.

I’m surprised that they would go anywhere near her.

Not smart by a long shot.

exactly…and maybe they have less support for her than people assume…nothing is for certain

384 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:52:44am

Man, this is the parade of the fossils.

385 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:52:57am

re: #353 albusteve

the Inner Harbor is awesome, very cool…a few blocks away and you better be armed

Fells Point is much better than Inner Harbor (nice to visit once for tourists, but it’s all tourist stuff there.) And the city isn’t as dangerous as Homicide and The Wire made it out to be. Violent, yes, with lots of crime, like most cities. But the bad parts are easy to avoid.

386 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:00am

It is a anti-health reform rally.

Are they supposed to yell “Yes” to something they don’t want?

387 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:03am

re: #360 duck of peace

You make a good point, however if it is a conspiracy to try and make the entire GOP look retarded, then most of the R congress reps are in on it too. Where is a die hard conservative politician that is willing to trash tea parties ? How about abortion clinic bombers = terrorists? I know they are out there somewhere…right?

And you take everything I said, and spin it into a new universe. I never used the word “conspiracy.” It’s called politics, Political Malice, Political Libel, you know, what goes on all the time between political opponents, and has been going on for 800 years or more, since the rise of political parties.

And how many conservative politicians, any politicians, left or right who are cheering abortion clinic bombers? You tell me who they are. It’s certainly not the norm if any politician is cheering them on.

388 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:06am

re: #373 drcordell

“The crowd was anemic… as in, these right wing loons do not make as much of a impact on things as the progressives want the country to think.”

“The left was hoping that if they banged the loony rights meme loud enough, people would not pay attention to what crap they were trying to shove down our throats.”

I don’t know how else to interpret that other than “the left is the driving force behind hyping the teabag lunacy.”

Think harder.

389 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:16am

re: #380 Charles

No chanting please.

390 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:32am

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Wow, these loons are still ranting?

They paid for an all day parking pass.

391 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:35am

re: #367 ohpleaseno

i thought they didn’t want to be the party of no

Then the party in power should give us something to say YES too!

392 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:43am

Go git ‘em!

393 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:53:54am

Door prizes!

394 baier  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:54:00am

re: #377 Ben Hur

That makes total sense to me.

/just catapult them over the border.

395 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:54:11am

re: #388 SixDegrees

Think harder.

get the aspirine ready

396 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:54:43am

re: #394 baier

/just catapult them over the border.

I didn’t say that.

397 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:54:51am

Ahhh.. There’s the token black guy.

398 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:54:51am

re: #349 drcordell

Right. So Eric Cantor doesn’t represent the GOP anymore. When he guarantees the crowd in his speech that not one Republican will vote for this bill, he’s just making that up? Not authorized to speak for the GOP despite the fact that he is a member of the party leadership?

If the House Minority Whip doesn’t speak for the GOP’s official positions, who does?


Monority and majority whips are the enforcers who get the party votes in line. Please make a distinction between lead and represent the majority view. When fellow lizards use phrases like “all conservative s think like…” or “the entire GOP is…” that just reflects ignorance about the fact that in the last analysis the people who lead our government are “the people”. The election of center right Governor’s this week and the rejection of extreme politics in NY 23 should be a very good illustration.

If I were left of center I’d be a lot more worried about what Speaker Pelosi is doing with her very real power base and the continued theme of “We Won” so we get to dictate the bills than what a few thousand Republican rabble rousers are doing on the Capitol steps.

399 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:54:54am

I feel like the major theme has been the trillions of dollars debt that are going to be placed on our children. That is a good theme, like the speakers or not.

400 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:54:58am

re: #384 Charles

Man, this is the parade of the fossils.

I suspect a lot of people in this crowd would take great offense at a heretical remark like that.

401 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:01am

DEATH PANELS!

402 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:16am

Death panels!

403 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:17am

Bachmann is asking the crowd to harass their representatives.

404 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:20am

re: #388 SixDegrees

Think harder.

I’m thinking plenty hard. And I think it’s ridiculous to try and pin the blame on “progressives” for the lunacy that has overtaken the GOP this year.

405 baier  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:37am

re: #401 Charles

DEATH PANELS!


DRINK!

406 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:40am

re: #394 baier

/just catapult them over the border.

Can we charge them for the ride?
//

407 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:52am

AntiChrist!

408 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:55:57am

Benediction by Pastor Broden from Dallas Texas: DEATH PANELS!

409 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:05am

re: #404 drcordell

I’m thinking plenty hard. And I think it’s ridiculous to try and pin the blame on “progressives” for the lunacy that has overtaken the GOP this year.

If that’s what Walter was doing, I’d agree.

He’s not.

410 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:08am

It’s anti-Christ!

411 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:36am

re: #408 Charles

He called it death care.

412 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:41am

re: #404 drcordell

I’m thinking plenty hard. And I think it’s ridiculous to try and pin the blame on “progressives” for the lunacy that has overtaken the GOP this year.

I’m blaming the progressives on blowing up the impact of the loony right way beyond it’s measure.

413 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:43am

BBL.

414 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:43am

re: #410 Sharmuta

It slices! it dices! [babies].

///Too far?

415 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:53am

Death Panels = Less Fossils.

416 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:56:54am

Wow, now that’s some kinda benediction there.

Yowza.

417 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:05am

Oh no! They’re singing God Bless America! They’re loons!

418 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #385 Mad Al-Jaffee

Fells Point is much better than Inner Harbor (nice to visit once for tourists, but it’s all tourist stuff there.) And the city isn’t as dangerous as Homicide and The Wire made it out to be. Violent, yes, with lots of crime, like most cities. But the bad parts are easy to avoid.

I drove around the city for an hour or so and landed in the Harbor for the afternoon…just a tourist, buts it’s amazing how old a rundown many neighborhoods are…I’m not dissin Balti…that’s all I know of it and I loved the waterfront

419 duck of peace  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:28am

re: #387 Walter L. Newton

calm down son. I said you made some great points. Lets keep the happy feelings flowing. The comment on abortion clinic bombers != terrorist is a reference to a Palin interview where she seemed unwilling to do just that. She didn’t cheer the murderer, but she seemed unwilling to call it what it was. Naked terrorism.

420 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

I’m blaming the progressives on blowing up the impact of the loony right way beyond it’s measure.

Like I said Walter, I think I’m watching it live.

421 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:39am

Wow.

422 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:49am

Speaking of accents, Your text to link…John Hillerman, who played Higgins on Magnum PI, was a native of Denison Texas.
In some of the espisodes, he also played Higgins’s Texan cousin Jim Bob. Remarkably to many fans, Jim Bob’s drawl was actually Hillerman’s everyday, natural speaking voice, while Higgins’s much better-known British accent was complete acting.

423 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:49am

There’s those 3 Percenter flags again.

424 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:57:54am

re: #370 webevintage
I didn’t think he was a good governor, but that’s just me. And probably the family of the woman that (one of ) his commuted-sentence rapist(s) murdered.

425 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:58:05am

An anagram for death panel is heated plan.

BBL

426 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:58:14am

re: #417 cliffster

Oh no! They’re singing God Bless America! They’re loons!

Everyone knows they added God to the Bless America song in the 50’s to pander to the religious right!!!
//

427 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:58:30am

re: #380 Charles

Funny thing is that when Christie won the other night, his crowd was chanting…

wait for it…

Yes… We Can! (skip to 1:15)

Youtube Video

428 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:58:52am

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Wow, these loons are still ranting?

Yes and congress is still debating on the best way to spend a Trillion dollars to reengineer 7% of our economy in order to gain a 15% increase in health care insurance coverage. Which one scares you more right now?

429 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:58:52am

And the Lee Greenwood cherry on top!

430 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:58:53am

It’s over. Go git ‘em!

431 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:02am

re: #426 rwdflynavy

Everyone knows they added God to the Bless America song in the 50’s to pander to the religious right!!!
//

New York Yankee Fascists.

432 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:35am

re: #428 DaddyG

The overspending is the key problem facing the country IMHO.

433 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:36am

He’s making it rain… haha

434 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:39am

re: #420 Stanley Sea

Like I said Walter, I think I’m watching it live.

Fine. What are you looking at? 2000 people bitching. Didn’t help them win NY 23 yesterday, did it.

435 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #431 Ben Hur

New York Yankee Fascists.

That’s World Champion New York Yankee Fascists to you. ///

436 baier  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:48am

re: #417 cliffster

Oh no! They’re singing God Bless America! They’re loons!

It must be the 7th inning.

437 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:57am

If only the Republicans would share around the explanations provided by Thomas Sowell for why this health care bill is a bad idea. But nooo, we have to act out rather than give cogent reasons against the thing.

When it passes, in some version or another, and the price becomes slowly evident to one and all, then maybe we can say “we told you so”.

Oops. We won’t have.

438 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:59:58am

re: #404 drcordell

I’m thinking plenty hard. And I think it’s ridiculous to try and pin the blame on “progressives” for the lunacy that has overtaken the GOP this year.

Walter didn’t…you are spinning

439 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:00:05am

That was a hell of a benediction.

440 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:00:07am

re: #398 DaddyG

Monority and majority whips are the enforcers who get the party votes in line. Please make a distinction between lead and represent the majority view. When fellow lizards use phrases like “all conservative s think like…” or “the entire GOP is…” that just reflects ignorance about the fact that in the last analysis the people who lead our government are “the people”. The election of center right Governor’s this week and the rejection of extreme politics in NY 23 should be a very good illustration.

If I were left of center I’d be a lot more worried about what Speaker Pelosi is doing with her very real power base and the continued theme of “We Won” so we get to dictate the bills than what a few thousand Republican rabble rousers are doing on the Capitol steps.

DaddyG. Let me explain this again. When I say “the GOP” I don’t mean all GOP voters, and I don’t mean all conservatives. I mean the GOP’s current crop of elected officials and leaders. And those leaders are actively stoking the teabagger madness.

I understand that the “center-right” voting population as a whole has rejected this lunacy. But that doesn’t change the fact that the GOP leadership is completely beholden to the loonies. The rejection of Hoffman in NY-23 proves this point. Nearly every GOP bigshot (sans Gingrich) flocked to endorse Hoffman, to placate the national teabagger contingency. And yet Hoffman got his ass kicked in the actual election. Because the teabaggers are a crazed minority that can’t win elections. Yet they can still influence the GOP leadership to endorse losing candidates. That is the power they have.

441 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:00:07am

re: #427 lawhawk

Christie and McDonnell are models for GOP candidates in the future. Hope they take notice.
Bob McDonnell is very conservative socially, but he did not make it a centerpiece of his campaign. Good plan.

442 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:00:08am

re: #428 DaddyG

Which one scares you more right now?


I’m terrified of the loons with the anti-government militia flags. Let’s hope everybody stays safe.

443 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:00:20am

re: #418 albusteve

I drove around the city for an hour or so and landed in the Harbor for the afternoon…just a tourist, buts it’s amazing how old a rundown many neighborhoods are…I’m not dissin Balti…that’s all I know of it and I loved the waterfront

Before (I Believe) the mid/late 70’s, inner harbor was just as bad as those neighborhoods.

You can find much better restaurants/bars/etc. in places outside the harbor. I usually go to Inner Harbor about once a year, when my band has an outdoor gig there.

444 ohpleaseno  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:00:48am

I hope they clean up that mess they’re throwing all over the place

445 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:00:53am

re: #439 Charles

That was a hell of a benediction.

I think he might have mixed a little politics into his religious message.

446 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:01:01am

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

It’s a little scary when some of those 2000 are in leadership positions, like id argue the party whip is.

447 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:01:21am

Pastor Broden is a 9/12 Project radical pastor.

448 baier  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #439 Charles

That was a hell of a benediction.


I like my eggs benediction runny with extra hollandaise sauce.

449 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #416 Charles

Wow, now that’s some kinda benediction there.

Yowza.

It’s the new political trend started at the inauguration. Dueling radical preachers. /

450 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:02:24am

As others have said, I’m more concered about what is going on inside the capital.

451 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:02:42am

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

I’m blaming the progressives on blowing up the impact of the loony right way beyond it’s measure.

How have progressives forced the GOP Congressional leadership to attend teaparties?

452 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #449 DaddyG

What radical preacher was at the inauguration?

453 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:03:07am

re: #449 DaddyG

If they had been fair and balanced, they’d have included Rev Wright or one of his understudies for some perspective.
///

454 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:03:35am

Whacko Clincher Alert:
The closing “prayer” speaks volumes:
* The legislation has death panels and rationed death care.
* Abortion is anti-Christ.

455 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:03:39am

Here’s a crowd shot. 3 Percenter flags in the center right.

456 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:03:49am

re: #450 rwdflynavy

You do know what the little “(R-XX)” means after a name right? Those nut cases are in congress.

457 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:03:54am

re: #452 recusancy

What radical preacher was at the inauguration?

Rick Warren, an anti-choice zealot!!!
//

458 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:04:15am

re: #443 Mad Al-Jaffee

Before (I Believe) the mid/late 70’s, inner harbor was just as bad as those neighborhoods.

You can find much better restaurants/bars/etc. in places outside the harbor. I usually go to Inner Harbor about once a year, when my band has an outdoor gig there.

of course but I only spent a day there…I was impressed, I’ve seen renewal there, Cleveland, St Louis, Pittsburg, Louisville etc…start with the tourists!

459 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:04:22am

re: #452 recusancy

There was an imam…think he had ties to the Blind Sheikh?

460 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:04:25am

Back from my conf calls, ugly thing still going?

Saw this earlier:
Arrests at Hart Bldg:

voices.washingtonpost.com

461 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:04:36am

re: #440 drcordell
Thanks for making that more clear. Given what happened in New York, New Jersey and Virginia I suspect the GOP will be a little less beholden to the loonies. Steeles recent comments reflect that.

462 rwdflynavy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:04:38am

re: #451 drcordell

How have progressives forced the GOP Congressional leadership to attend teaparties?


Obtuse is just what you do isn’t it?

463 mikhailtheplumber  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:04:41am

re: #369 DaddyG

I never said or implied that. The GOP has created a lot of their own problems and the MSM is only happy to report them. However how do they continue the simultaneous memes of “the GOP is run by loonies” along with showing the evidence that the GOP can’t get a decent sized crowd of loonies together on a good day for protests?

That happens in part because the GOP leadership (with the possible exception of Steele) have been bending over to accommodate the demands and talking points of the crazy wing-nuts. The fact that the lunatic fringe is not in fact demographically determinant (just yells really, really loud) only makes its power over the GOP politicians even sadder.

The MSM is reporting that without noticing the contradiction because they have no power of analysis. They just repeat talking point and babble nonsense, they cowardly follow trends. This is just another incarnation of what we saw when the MSM endorsed the “Sadam has WMD” meme.

464 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:05:38am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

What is this “3 percenter” business?? (don’t get it.)

465 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:05:50am

re: #442 Killgore Trout

I’m terrified of the loons with the anti-government militia flags. Let’s hope everybody stays safe.

there you go again…do you recall the anti-war demonstrations in the late 60’s?…this is just a little afternoon outing in comparison…harmless

466 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:06:23am

re: #442 Killgore Trout

I’m terrified of the loons with the anti-government militia flags. Let’s hope everybody stays safe.

That is one distinction between the left and right. The left puts more weight in intentions and the right banks on actions.

Between you and me I fear the actions of Congress today more than the intentions of a few flag waving goofs.

467 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:06:30am

re: #464 J.S.

It is a group of rightists pledge to defend the constitution in a kind of scary way.

468 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:06:52am

re: #287 Conservative Moonbat

Here’s a couple charming pics from the protest.

Sigh…that is truly sad, not to mention being disgustingly overinflated hyperbole.

469 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:06:53am

Pastor Broden and Glenn Beck:

Youtube Video

470 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:07:20am

re: #465 albusteve

I’m terrified of the loons with the anti-government militia flags. Let’s hope everybody stays safe.

there you go again…do you recall the anti-war demonstrations in the late 60’s?…this is just a little afternoon outing in comparison…harmless

You and all your damned perspective on things. Killjoy.

471 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:07:42am

re: #451 drcordell

How have progressives forced the GOP Congressional leadership to attend teaparties?

good lord…are you really that inspired as to twist Walters words like that?…you are becoming comical now

472 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:07:44am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Here’s a crowd shot. 3 Percenter flags in the center right.

Looks to be about 5 million.

473 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:08:07am

re: #467 Ojoe

Oh, ok. (is there any signficance with the “3 percent?” why 3 percent?)

474 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:08:09am

re: #452 recusancy

What radical preacher was at the inauguration?


Youtube Video

475 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:08:11am

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

Fine. What are you looking at? 2000 people bitching. Didn’t help them win NY 23 yesterday, did it.

Walter, NY-23 is besides the point. The point is, Eric Cantor himself is addressing the 2,000 assembled crazies. Along with dozens of other GOP elected representatives. If the GOP isn’t embracing “teh crazy” why the hell is their Minority Whip addressing the crowd?

476 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:08:19am

re: #399 cliffster

I feel like the major theme has been the trillions of dollars debt that are going to be placed on our children. That is a good theme, like the speakers or not.

it is a a good theme. the problem is that it’s sandwiched inbetween so much nativism and pining for a return to the ‘good old days’ of the damn 19th century, the keeping spending within reasonable means message gets totally obfuscated. that’s why speaking up for moderate Repubs is so crucial. they’re the only ones who can transmit the small gov’t message to average Americans. from bachmann, beck, etc. all most citizens hear is loony hate.

477 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:08:34am

re: #464 J.S.

Oathkeepers. Note the results from sites like “white civil rights”, stormfront, etc. They’re an anti-government militia.

478 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:09:18am

re: #473 J.S.

There is some connection with some revolutionary war statistic I believe. Another Lizard may know more.

479 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:09:26am

re: #475 drcordell

Walter, NY-23 is besides the point. The point is, Eric Cantor himself is addressing the 2,000 assembled crazies. Along with dozens of other GOP elected representatives. If the GOP isn’t embracing “teh crazy” why the hell is their Minority Whip addressing the crowd?

Freedom of speech?

480 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:09:43am

re: #472 Sharmuta

Looks to be about 5 million.

they are way over in Arlington…wow!

481 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:09:59am

re: #474 DaddyG

Dr Lowery’s radical?? Really?

482 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:10:10am

re: #451 drcordell

How have progressives forced the GOP Congressional leadership to attend teaparties?

I’m ignoring you unless you intend to question me on something I actually said. I’m not responding to the imaginary spin coming from you.

483 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:10:33am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Here’s a crowd shot. 3 Percenter flags in the center right.

That looks like more than 200 people.

484 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:10:58am

re: #469 Charles

Darwin Atheists are trying to change the country!

485 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:11:10am

re: #481 recusancy

Dr Lowery’s radical?? Really?

Did you listen to the benediction?

486 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:11:18am

re: #437 lostlakehiker

There’s a reason effective written communication is written at a 3rd grade level. Most of Sowell’s points would fly high and far over most people’s heads.

487 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:11:32am

re: #484 Sharmuta

Darwin Atheists are trying to change the country!

I am?

488 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:11:41am

re: #367 ohpleaseno

i thought they didn’t want to be the party of no

Depends on what they’re saying “no” to.

489 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:11:47am

bbl (meeting)

490 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:12:00am

re: #473 J.S.

Their slogan is “The War Was Won By Three Per Cent.”

491 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:12:29am

re: #485 DaddyG

Ya… What’s radical about it?

492 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:13:05am

Kooks love other kooks. They validate each other.

493 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:13:45am

re: #30 Guanxi88

Well, the manufacturers and distributors would be the ones taxed, but I’m sure that this tax, like all others ever assessed, will not be passed on the consumer.

Sometimes a sarc tag is your friend./

494 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:00am

re: #490 jaunte

hmmm. Three percent of what, though?

495 drcordell  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:00am

re: #482 Walter L. Newton

I’m ignoring you unless you intend to question me on something I actually said. I’m not responding to the imaginary spin coming from you.

In #342 you referred to the assembled crowd as just “2,000 people bitching.” Yet those 2,000 people have been addressed by the GOP house leadership, and nearly a dozen elected GOP reps. Explain that.

496 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:06am

re: #475 drcordell

Walter, NY-23 is besides the point. The point is, Eric Cantor himself is addressing the 2,000 assembled crazies. Along with dozens of other GOP elected representatives. If the GOP isn’t embracing “teh crazy” why the hell is their Minority Whip addressing the crowd?

People got upset at the attempt to tie Obama to Rev. Wright. That is nothing compared to the attempts to tie every Republican to right wing radicals. It was an Anti Healthcare Reform rally. He is against the proposed Healthcare Reform. That’s why.

497 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:25am

re: #490 jaunte

Their slogan is “The War Was Won By Three Per Cent.”

This is not a sentiment that puts a high value on democratic voting.

498 subsailor68  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:30am

re: #484 Sharmuta

Darwin Atheists are trying to change the country!

And when asked about their platform, they responded, “It’s evolving even as we speak, no such thing willing!”

499 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:46am

re: #486 badger1970

There’s a reason effective written communication is written at a 3rd grade level. Most of Sowell’s points would fly high and far over most people’s heads.

It’s the KISS principle, stupid.

500 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #494 J.S.

Google ‘three percenter’

501 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:53am

re: #492 Sharmuta

Kooks love other kooks. They validate each other.

Kookdom…it’s an entire realm

502 abolitionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:14:59am

re: #188 ohpleaseno

I thought the constitution started with the three words “When in the”

Declaration of Independence

503 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:15:24am

re: #499 Naso Tang

It’s the KISS principle, stupid.

Is that something Gene Simmons wrote?

504 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:16:50am

re: #502 abolitionist

Hehe, oopsie

505 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:17:11am

re: #491 recusancy

Ya… What’s radical about it?

“And while we have sown the seeds of greed — the wind of greed and corruption, and even as we reap the whirlwind of social and economic disruption, we seek forgiveness and we come in a spirit of unity and solidarity to commit our support to our president by our willingness to make sacrifices, to respect your creation, to turn to each other and not on each other.”

“Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get back, when brown can stick around — (laughter) — when yellow will be mellow — (laughter) — when the red man can get ahead, man — (laughter) — and when white will embrace what is right.”

From the transcript of Dr. Lowery’s speech.

506 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:17:14am

I missed the live feed. Were there any Guy Fawkes masks being worn? The timing seems more than a little strange. Though I doubt Bachmann would ever know the significance of today’s date.

507 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:17:26am

re: #500 recusancy

(I did that..at first I thought “the war” referred to the Civil War, but no, it’s about the Revolutionary War…I’ll continue to look it up…wiki should have something.)

508 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:18:07am

re: #505 Guanxi88

That’s radical?

509 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:18:53am

re: #494 J.S.

hmmm. Three percent of what, though?

It’s reference to the Revolutionary War period, when, in reality, most colonists settlers were on the fence about independence from Britain.

They claim to be analogous to the assumed 3% of the settler population that was hard core anti-British and pro-independence.

The modern 3%s really put the anal in analogous.

510 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:19:30am

re: #503 Mad Al-Jaffee

Too deep for me. I can only do one level of connection, maybe two if KISS is applied.

511 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:20:09am

Have they stormed Congress yet?

512 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:20:30am

re: #506 Irenicum

Good obscure observation, however, I doubt that crowd would actively participate in blowing up Congress.

513 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:20:37am

I see this guy in his wacky truck several days a week:

wonkette.com

514 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:20:48am

re: #511 webevintage

Have they stormed Congress yet?

NO.

Just Joe Leiberman’s office.

515 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:20:57am

Count me amongst the unafraid when it comes to the Oathkeepers. Cops taking an oath not to violate the civil rights of the citizenry? Not real scary. Like I said before, cops should have to take that oath every day before they go out on the streets, just as a reminder.

516 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:21:07am

re: #509 Ben Hur

It’s reference to the Revolutionary War period, when, in reality, most colonists settlers were on the fence about independence from Britain.

They claim to be analogous to the assumed 3% of the settler population that was hard core anti-British and pro-independence.

The modern 3%s really put the anal in analogous.

elitist…and a recognition that their numbers are small…it’s just something cool to put on a poster

517 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:21:26am

re: #508 recusancy

That’s radical?

Why ought it to be necessary to suggest that the election of Obama was a reversal of all the horrible trends and worst instincts of the American people’s many sins?

And why ought the benediction to include the hope that each of the races should be beneficiaries of the yet-to-be attained hope that “white will embrace what is right?”

Still, I suppose if one customarily robes leftist revanchism in religious garb, there’s no controversy at all.

Here, see the class he displayed at the Widow King’s funeral:

We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there. But Coretta knew and we know that there are weapons of misdirection right down here. Millions without health insurance. Poverty abounds. For war billions more but no more for the poor!

No, no radicalism at all there.

518 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:21:28am

re: #492 Sharmuta

Kooks love other kooks. They validate each other.

They’re the luckiest people in the world.
//
Youtube Video

519 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:21:48am

re: #511 webevintage

Have they stormed Congress yet?

no, they have not even spray painted the doors…sissies

520 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:21:49am

re: #506 Irenicum

I missed the live feed. Were there any Guy Fawkes masks being worn? The timing seems more than a little strange. Though I doubt Bachmann would ever know the significance of today’s date.

I love this. You didn’t watch the feed, but let’s ask if there was any Guy Fawkes masks just to link the image of a violent radical to this event and then end up with a slam against Bachmann, suggesting she wouldn’t know the history behind a mask that you have no idea was present in the crowd.

I’ve never seen so much spin in three sentences. I have to give you credit for being about as disingenuous as I have ever seen.

521 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:21:50am

re: #514 Ben Hur

NO.

Just Joe Leiberman’s office.

He’s a wannabe RINO! Git ‘im!

522 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:22:02am

re: #516 albusteve

elitist…and a recognition that their numbers are small…it’s just something cool to put on a poster

Yes. The leaders of the Rev had the most to lose.

523 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:22:32am

re: #521 Sharmuta

He’s a wannabe RINO! Git ‘im!

Rinowitzenbergenstein?

/only I can say that.

524 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:23:05am

re: #521 Sharmuta

He’s a wannabe RINO! Git ‘im!

RINO, Lieberman style..

RINO
In
Name
Only

525 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:23:21am

re: #484 Sharmuta

Darwin Atheists are trying to change the country!

The Horror!

526 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:24:02am

re: #517 Guanxi88

Dude likes to rhyme

527 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:24:51am

re: #517 Guanxi88

He’s trying to make “radical” into code for something else.

528 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:25:18am

re: #512 badger1970

I agree that none of the speakers would have an idea as crazy as that. Stoking conspiracy theories though does feed those who do think that way.

529 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:25:46am

If the three percenters had a better grasp of history they would name themselves after Chesnut, sent by Beauregard to demand the surrender of Ft. Sumter: en.wikipedia.org

530 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:25:55am

re: #517 Guanxi88

And why ought the benediction to include the hope that each of the races should be beneficiaries of the yet-to-be attained hope that “white will embrace what is right?”

That’s just a poor and Beckian interpretation of what he said. He didn’t say that all the races should be beneficiaries OF whites… He was naming all races and saying they should and will all progress.

Not seeing what was radical about what he said at the funeral.

531 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:26:13am

I suppose a Darwin Atheist could be read as person who refuses to accept the existence of Darwin. (I know, I know, A=without, theist=belief in God).

532 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:26:13am

re: #520 Walter L. Newton

Why thank you!

533 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:26:41am

re: #519 albusteve

no, they have not even spray painted the doors…sissies

Not even a Ninety-Five Theses nailed to the door?
Jeez, what kind of revolution is this…

534 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:26:59am

re: #520 Walter L. Newton

I love this. You didn’t watch the feed, but let’s ask if there was any Guy Fawkes masks just to link the image of a violent radical to this event and then end up with a slam against Bachmann, suggesting she wouldn’t know the history behind a mask that you have no idea was present in the crowd.

I’ve never seen so much spin in three sentences. I have to give you credit for being about as disingenuous as I have ever seen.

Any Guy Fawkes masks in public should be locked up.

535 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:27:00am

re: #464 J.S.

What is this “3 percenter” business?? (don’t get it.)

The whackadoos who pledge to defend against Obama’s shock troops with violence believe that three percent of the population will take up arms with them.

536 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:27:06am

re: #531 EmmmieG

Or a godless Aussie.

537 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:27:12am

bbl

538 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:27:28am

re: #533 webevintage

Not even a Ninety-Five Theses nailed to the door?
Jeez, what kind of revolution is this…

a velvet revolution…at best

539 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:27:31am

re: #511 webevintage

Have they stormed Congress yet?

No dammit, I wanted to see the secret service and capitol police in action!

540 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:27:48am

re: #538 albusteve

a velvet revolution…at best

Kinky.

541 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:27:54am

re: #533 webevintage

They were a few days late then!

542 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #530 recusancy

That’s just a poor and Beckian interpretation of what he said. He didn’t say that all the races should be beneficiaries OF whites… He was naming all races and saying they should and will all progress.

Not seeing what was radical about what he said at the funeral.

Ahh, the reductio ad beckham, again!

And, as I noted, claoking one’s politics in religious language does not seem radical to those who share the ideology, and so it is pointless to attempt to persuade you of the underlying radicalism inherent in taking the opportunity of a funeral oration to take a swing at the sitting president, there with others to pay their honor and respects to the family.

543 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:28:23am

re: #540 Sharmuta

A tinfoil fist in a velvet glove.

544 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:28:49am

re: #539 ausador

No dammit, I wanted to see the secret service and capitol police in action!

FIX BAYONETS!…STEADY MEN!

545 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:29:17am

re: #534 Spare O’Lake

Any Guy Fawkes masks in public should be locked up.

Fine. What does that have to do with Irenicum’s statement and my response?

546 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:29:56am

re: #534 Spare O’Lake

Any Guy Fawkes masks in public should be locked up.

Those masks would make me think that Anonymous had infiltrated the teaparty movement.
Or someone was making a movie…

547 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:30:00am

re: #530 recusancy

That’s just a poor and Beckian interpretation of what he said. He didn’t say that all the races should be beneficiaries OF whites… He was naming all races and saying they should and will all progress.

Not seeing what was radical about what he said at the funeral.

I’ll add that no other racial group designated by Dr. Lowery was required to do anything other than to take their place among their equals, whereas it was “white” who must embrace right, suggesting that this had not happened yet. Again, though, if one thinks that white needs to do this thing, no controversy.

548 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:31:20am

re: #546 webevintage

I suppose it was inevitable that it would b/ mentioned. And “teh coolest movie in history”, V.

549 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:32:12am

Uh oh, couscous in the keyboard.

550 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:32:29am

re: #542 Guanxi88

Yes. It’s a conclusion that Beck/Malkin would and did come to.

At the funeral. He wasn’t making a personal swipe at the pres. He was making a political statement about how we spend on wars but not the poor. You can agree with his politics or not but it’s not radical.

551 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:32:33am

re: #545 Walter L. Newton

It might be a reference to the movie. Not totally sure. I love the movie, even with its lefty tripe. Just having fun. And yes, I’m not a huge fan of Bachmann.

552 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:32:44am

Overhead crowd pic

Looks like maybe 1,000 people.

553 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #534 Spare O’Lake

Any Guy Fawkes masks in public should be locked up.

well that would be sorta antiAmerican wouldn’t it?…what about a cool Benedict Arnold mask?…to the gallows?

554 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:33:39am

re: #551 Irenicum

It might be a reference to the movie. Not totally sure. I love the movie, even with its lefty tripe. Just having fun. And yes, I’m not a huge fan of Bachmann.

V for Vendetta? Couldn’t stand it.

555 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:34:58am

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Overhead crowd pic

Looks like maybe 1,000 people.

and Pelosi ID’d them all…open the camps!

556 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:35:45am

re: #554 SanFranciscoZionist

V for Vendetta? Couldn’t stand it.

You must not be a 15 year old boy who romanticizes the idea of an anonymous violent government overthrow. What’s wrong with you?
/

557 subsailor68  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:35:57am

OT, just posting this to see what folks here think of it. I’m not sure how I feel about it.

Senate blocks census US-citizenship question

Those opposed cite four things:

1. It would discourage immigrants from participating in the census.
2. It would be hugely expensive.
3. Apportionment of seats is based on number of persons living in each state, whether they are citizens or not.
4. There is already another survey that collects this data.

Would it really discourage legal immigrants from participating? I don’t know.
Why would it be “hugely expensive” to add a question to the survey (unless the forms have already been printed - which could be the case)?
Number three, is a little bothersome to me, as I suppose I’d prefer apportionment to be based on citizens (and legal immigrants).
Not sure what the “other survey” is, when and how it is (was) conducted, and what the results were. (If the problem is that immigrants won’t participate in the census if that question is there, why would anyone assume they actually participated in this “other” survey?

As I say, I don’t know how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

558 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:36:06am

re: #552 Killgore Trout
At a glance
Thats about twice as large as the Griffith park Tea Party. Maybe 2/3rds.

559 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:36:13am

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Wow. The biggest…crowd…EVER!!!

560 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:36:36am

re: #557 subsailor68

I think the senate is a stealth “open borders” body.

561 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:36:58am

re: #556 bosforus

You must not be a 15 year old boy who romanticizes the idea of an anonymous violent government overthrow. What’s wrong with you?
/

Set to the William Tell Overture

563 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:38:23am

re: #558 rightwingconspirator

At a glance
Thats about twice as large as the Griffith park Tea Party. Maybe 2/3rds.

the caption says it was the beginning of the assembly…so it could have grown by a few hundred thousand easily

564 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:38:29am

re: #562 Killgore Trout

OK, now THAT’S funny!

565 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:38:38am

re: #551 Irenicum

It might be a reference to the movie. Not totally sure. I love the movie, even with its lefty tripe. Just having fun. And yes, I’m not a huge fan of Bachmann.

Your comment was a prime example of what I have been saying up thread about the progressives and trying to push the meme of the effect of the loony right.

Any way you have to spin it, go ahead and spin it, as long as we make the loony right look important, frighting and powerful.

Even if there is no truth in it.

566 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:38:57am

re: #562 Killgore Trout

LOL! I really thought this was going to link to an anti LGF guy. Oh man that was funny here.

567 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:39:02am

re: #564 Irenicum

Behead those who insult the lizards!

568 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:39:09am

re: #550 recusancy

Yes. It’s a conclusion that Beck/Malkin would and did come to.

At the funeral. He wasn’t making a personal swipe at the pres. He was making a political statement about how we spend on wars but not the poor. You can agree with his politics or not but it’s not radical.

I’d point out, however, that the two named were by no means the only ones to come to this conclusion, nor were they the originators of the proposition that these were fairly radical beliefs.

As for not taking a swipe at the president at the funeral, at whom, then, might these accusations of lying about the presence of WMD’s in Iraq be directed if not at President George W. bush, who was in attendance?

569 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:39:25am

re: #554 SanFranciscoZionist

V for Vendetta? Couldn’t stand it.

Loved it.
Pretty buildings blowing up to pretty music.

But I wish they had stuck with the original symbolism of the Thatcher gov’t and not made it more about the Bush administration.

570 gregb  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Obama’s been “subcounciously programed” to hate America?

The Maochurian candidate. Where’s Denzel when you need him?

571 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #569 webevintage

Vendetta or Visitor?

572 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:42:06am

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Behead those who insult the lizards!

Death to all lizard juice!

573 gregb  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:42:07am

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Twitter estimate rumors range from 2,000 to 30,000.

My old surfing friend from Australia would respond any time someone called some windblown slop, double overhead.

“You keep calling them like that, mate, yer gonna run outta numbers.”

574 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:42:52am

re: #562 Killgore Trout

The remake actually has the V grafitti being done by pro-V people, unlike the original… so that guy is probably a fan of the original - not the remake.

575 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:43:01am

re: #550 recusancy

Yes. It’s a conclusion that Beck/Malkin would and did come to.

Jeff Greenfield came to a similar conclusion:

cnn.com

576 KingKenrod  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:44:33am

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Overhead crowd pic

Looks like maybe 1,000 people.

More than that. Probably several thousand. I think the area in front of the reflecting pool holds 25000 when packed.

577 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:45:23am

Just a note on one path all this is taking: I just listened to a local public radio interview with Arianna Huffington. Not surprisingly, she spent most of her time bitching about the GOP and reveling in the recent spike in crazy emanating from the party. The interesting bit, though, was that she was leveraging her remarks to deliver another, pointed message: to all those Republicans who are disenchanted with the direction their party is mistakenly taking, you’ll find yourselves welcome among Democrats.

Not that I believe any of this, but it’s an obvious tack for the Dems to take - rope in those who are fed up with the rise of theocracy, anti-science and bigotry gushing forth from the religious right and build them into part of the Democratic Party. They’re willing to compromise their ideological principles enough to welcome more votes in their column - instead of purging their party of anyone who strays from the strict liberal rank and file.

It’s a full year until the midterms, and the Dems are already out in front on recruiting efforts like this. The Republicans, meanwhile, continue to flounder and to flirt with throwing as many people out of the party as they can. This does not bode well for next November.

578 Lidane  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:46:15am

re: #546 webevintage

Those masks would make me think that Anonymous had infiltrated the teaparty movement.

I would laugh if Anonymous weaseled their way into the tea party movement. That would be glorious. Just think of the internet memes they could spawn.

579 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:46:23am

re: #568 Guanxi88

I don’t think racial equality is radical anymore. So I guess I’m just going to have to disagree with you on that one and leave it at that.

There were no weapons of mass destruction and we don’t spend close to as much helping the poor. Nothing false about those statements. They were not exaggerated. I think you are confusing radical with ‘political statement i don’t appreciate’.

580 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:46:23am

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

I agree that the “crazy right” isn’t as big as some on the left would have it. But I would definitely still argue that the crazy right has been energized since the election in a way I haven’t seen in many years. And Beck has mainstreamed conspiracy nuttiness in ways that can’t be good. I know people who believe patently false nonsense b/c they “heard it on good authority” from either Beck or a Beck type of entertainer. These are people who, in years past, have been generally mainstream in their thinking. That’s my concern. And btw, all of this applies just as equally to the looney left.

581 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:46:24am

/re: #562 Killgore Trout

“The Lizards don’t really want to help us”

They are correct, at least when it comes to this lizard anyway, the tea partiers and I don’t share a whole lot in common.

582 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:46:31am

re: #570 gregb

The Maochurian candidate. Where’s Denzel Laurence Harvey when you need him?

The remake was insult to the original.

Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

583 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:47:27am

well so far, the Republic still stands, in spite of this ruthless Storming of the Capitolre: #577 SixDegrees

Just a note on one path all this is taking: I just listened to a local public radio interview with Arianna Huffington. Not surprisingly, she spent most of her time bitching about the GOP and reveling in the recent spike in crazy emanating from the party. The interesting bit, though, was that she was leveraging her remarks to deliver another, pointed message: to all those Republicans who are disenchanted with the direction their party is mistakenly taking, you’ll find yourselves welcome among Democrats.

Not that I believe any of this, but it’s an obvious tack for the Dems to take - rope in those who are fed up with the rise of theocracy, anti-science and bigotry gushing forth from the religious right and build them into part of the Democratic Party. They’re willing to compromise their ideological principles enough to welcome more votes in their column - instead of purging their party of anyone who strays from the strict liberal rank and file.

It’s a full year until the midterms, and the Dems are already out in front on recruiting efforts like this. The Republicans, meanwhile, continue to flounder and to flirt with throwing as many people out of the party as they can. This does not bode well for next November.

this reiterates what Walter said upthread

584 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:49:47am

re: #579 recusancy

I don’t think racial equality is radical anymore. So I guess I’m just going to have to disagree with you on that one and leave it at that.

There were no weapons of mass destruction and we don’t spend close to as much helping the poor. Nothing false about those statements. They were not exaggerated. I think you are confusing radical with ‘political statement i don’t appreciate’.

Who said racial equality was radical? The snide imputation of racism is not appreciated by any means, and is, in this context, wholly inappropriate.

Dr. Lowery directly accused the President, who was there for the funeral, of deliberately lying about the presence of these weapons, and then used this as a demonstrative proof in support of the claim that we value warfare more than we do the poor of this nation.

I think, perhaps, you are confusing “political statement I appreciate” with non-controversial, mainstream, and true.

585 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:50:13am

re: #580 Irenicum

I agree that the “crazy right” isn’t as big as some on the left would have it. But I would definitely still argue that the crazy right has been energized since the election in a way I haven’t seen in many years. And Beck has mainstreamed conspiracy nuttiness in ways that can’t be good. I know people who believe patently false nonsense b/c they “heard it on good authority” from either Beck or a Beck type of entertainer. These are people who, in years past, have been generally mainstream in their thinking. That’s my concern. And btw, all of this applies just as equally to the looney left.

nobody knows if Beck mainstreamed anything…his show and net blogs hardly reflect all of conservative America…wait and see next election cycle…until then talk of mainstreaming is hyperbole imo

586 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:51:00am

re: #484 Sharmuta

Darwin Atheists are trying to change the country!

The atheists from Perth are probably more progressive.

587 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:52:01am

well, the Republic still stands in spite of this ruthless assault of raving maniacs…

I’m out like Sonny Liston

588 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:54:16am

re: #585 albusteve

When a crazy conspiracy book (5000 Year Leap) gets mentioned (hawked) on your show and it shoots to number one in sales, that’s mainstreaming extremism. Elections aren’t the only measure..

589 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:55:56am

re: #587 albusteve

Oh harsh! But funny.

590 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:56:49am

re: #545 Walter L. Newton

Any Guy Fawkes masks in public should be locked up.


Fine. What does that have to do with Irenicum’s statement and my response?

Why nothing, of course. But maybe I better stop being a Guy who Fawkes around so much.

591 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:57:09am

Well, I gotta split like light refracted. See you evil lizards later!

592 Lidane  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:57:23am

re: #580 Irenicum

I know people who believe patently false nonsense b/c they “heard it on good authority” from either Beck or a Beck type of entertainer. These are people who, in years past, have been generally mainstream in their thinking. That’s my concern.

It’s an entirely valid concern.

Here in Austin, I can’t even begin to count how many Ron Paul bumper stickers I see on a daily basis, along with Alex Jones inspired Truther nonsense. It’s aggravating and also tends to cross party lines, since otherwise sensible people on both sides seem to be drawn to that sort of nutty stuff.

Personally, I don’t understand it. I can’t wrap my head around how people can willingly believe some of the more outlandish things being said on both sides these days. It just doesn’t make any sense to me.

593 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:57:35am

re: #590 Spare O’Lake

Oh, that is completely Fawked up!

594 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:58:00am

re: #592 Lidane

78745 in da house!

595 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:58:06am

re: #584 Guanxi88

Who said racial equality was radical? The snide imputation of racism is not appreciated by any means, and is, in this context, wholly inappropriate.

Then why was what Dr Lowery said radical to you? It was a statement on racial equality.

Dr. Lowery directly accused the President, who was there for the funeral, of deliberately lying about the presence of these weapons, and then used this as a demonstrative proof in support of the claim that we value warfare more than we do the poor of this nation.

Well… We do put more money into war then the poor. If he had said this at another persons funeral, someone not an activist for the poor, then I would agree that it’s classless. He didn’t go to an event, invited by the president. He was making a statement that most in the room, and presumably the one in the casket would agree with.

596 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:00:24pm

re: #595 recusancy

Well… We do put more money into war then the poor. If he had said this at another persons funeral, someone not an activist for the poor, then I would agree that it’s classless. He didn’t go to an event, invited by the president. He was making a statement that most in the room, and presumably the one in the casket would agree with.

And it was a crass and wholly unnecessary swipe at those assembled, and at least as political a funeral speech as Marcus Antonius’.

As for spending more for warfare - well, it’s an expensive thing, you know. And wars end someday - poverty never does.

597 Lidane  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:00:26pm

re: #594 Guanxi88

78745 in da house!

78704 here. SoCo represent! Hehe. ;)

598 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:04:17pm

re: #595 recusancy

Then why was what Dr Lowery said radical to you? It was a statement on racial equality.

It was a statement of the sins of the white man, and the deprivations of all the other groups named. A plea for equality and brotherhood, it wasn’t.

Again, the only group for whom a prayer was offered up that they should mend their ways, was “white”. All others had their prayers such that they should be permitted to enjoy X, Y, or Z. Evidently, the sins of whites are worthy of rhyming imprecations to the Almighty to precisely the degree that the deprivations of the non-white are to be brought to His attention.

599 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #592 Lidane

Actually, I’m looking forward to having some of my graduate work be focused on just that issue. As much as it bothers me, I find it utterly fascinating. When it’s a tiny fringe, it’s interesting. When it’s becomes mainstream enough to become policy, it’s dangerous. Now mind you, I’m not saying that “mainstream enough” even needs to be a majority viewpoint. It just needs to be large enough to upset the process. Typically that number usually hovers around 25 to 35%. It’s when belief in a conspiratorial worldview gets that high that serious instability gets injected into the system. I worry we’re getting closer to those numbers.

600 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:29:03pm

re: #571 rightwingconspirator

Vendetta or Visitor?

Vendetta.

Though we did enjoy the show the other night.
Even laughed at the “hope and change” and “universal health care” lines.
My husband said “so the Bush administration was one of the V’s terror cells?”

I really don’t see what other libs are bitching about.

601 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:29:55pm

foxnews.com

At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

602 dugmartsch  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:30:51pm

re: #577 SixDegrees

I think the Democrats have been pretty sensible in their strategy. Liberal districts should have liberal representatives, and moderate districts should have moderate representatives. Owens might be a Dem but he’s no liberal.

“He’ll fight to keep Fort Drum strong, attract new business, protect our farmers and their families, invest in jobs programs locally including training and placement programs for veterans, and attract alternative energy industries to create good-paying “green collar” jobs.”

Pretty standard moderate political noises. He’s for health care reform, but not single payer, no taxes on health insurance, etc. He could easily have an (R) before his name in a state like New Jersey or Connecticut if the GOP weren’t dead set on destroying people like him. That’s why the GOP is going to be the minority party for a long time. That’s why they might not survive as a national party 20 years from now.

603 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:31:37pm

re: #578 Lidane

I would laugh if Anonymous weaseled their way into the tea party movement. That would be glorious. Just think of the internet memes they could spawn.

Hello teabaggers. We are Anonymous. Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of misinformation…

Yes.
It would be a thing of beauty.

604 checked08  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:58:24pm

re: #70 albusteve

Bush stabbed us in the back and I won’t forget it


ALL PRAISE HOOVER. He was a REAL Conservative.

605 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 1:28:38pm

re: #12 Thanos

Pence speaking now, Boehner in background

good lord

606 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 1:30:57pm

re: #12 Thanos

Pence speaking now, Boehner in background

It’s really hard to argue that these folks are just a fringe movement with no real power in the GOP when they get that kind of attendance from GOP leaders.

607 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:41:19pm

Beating up on Code Pink is sorta losing its luster these days, ain’t it?

608 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:31pm

re: #578 Lidane

I would laugh if Anonymous weaseled their way into the tea party movement. That would be glorious. Just think of the internet memes they could spawn.

Channers would probably have more traction if they aimed at tea partiers rather than Scientologists. The zoo-like atmosphere of the protests would be right up their alley.

LONGCAT IS LOOONG

609 Cheechako  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:55:12pm

re: #513 Mad Al-Jaffee

I see this guy in his wacky truck several days a week:

[Link: wonkette.com…]


White-wall tires? How 1950ish.

610 lrsshadow  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:23:56am

I am in DC now and have been for a couple of days working on Afghanistan policy with the senators and congressman. In between meetings I went out yesterday to see the rally.

I would have estimated the number of people to be 65,000 to 120,000. I also have panaramic pictures of the entire crowd which I will post later. Most of the people who were there seemed to be normal people and I did see a few who I would say were “radical”

Many people brought their children along which I thought was peculiar. All in all most of those who attended did not seem to be very well informed on the issue. There were a few who were well informed and concise in the arguments presented, but most were upset at any attempt to “governmental” health care and emotional about it.

A number of legislators have said that they have never seen anything like this. After the rally they protesters flooded the senate and congress office buildings to meet with their senators. Many of the legislators offices had 20 plus constituents wanting to meet with them. Some were very vocal and a few were almost as bad as the anti war anti military crowd. (yelling screaming type of stuff in the offices.)

611 lrsshadow  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:28:27am

re: #609 Cheechako

White-wall tires? How 1950ish.

Yah I saw this guy driving around a lot. There were a few hard core anti-abortion protesters around also but they seemed to be more on the south side of the Cannon House Office Building by the Metro Station and not with the rally up by the capital.


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