Fort Hood Shooter Identified As a Major

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ABC News reports an identity for the Fort Hood shooter.

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

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UPDATE at 11/5/09 3:08:42 pm:

More information from CBS News:

CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper reports that Hasan, 39, is a licensed psychiatrist from Silver Spring, Md.

A Fort Hood press release confirmed that “more than one shooter fired shots into the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and Howze Theater on Fort Hood.”

According to Cone, the shooting began at 1:30 p.m. in the Soldier Readiness Center, a facility where soldiers receive medical treatment and fill out paperwork in preparation for deployment.

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1357 comments
1 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:37:47pm

God have mercy.

2 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:37:53pm

Yeah- he’s a major asshole.

3 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:39:03pm

Major malfunction.

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:39:23pm

One shooter still at large!

5 spirochete  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:39:25pm

“probably two shooters”

15 rounds, 4 guns?

6 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:39:42pm

When I hear “Major” I think of my dad, who retired from the Marines as a Major. It is unfathomable to me that a man of equal rank to my dad could do something like this. Guess you never know.

7 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:39:55pm

Interesting, Fox is saying they have a name but are not saying it until it is thoroughly confirmed. A little un-Fox-like.

8 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:40:56pm

re: #7 cliffster

Interesting, Fox is saying they have a name but are not saying it until it is thoroughly confirmed. A little un-Fox-like.

They’re saving it for Beck’s show so he can stem out all about it.

9 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:41:06pm

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

10 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:41:24pm

I am waiting for the facts to come in. before I have anything to say.

11 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:41:36pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

It’s an interesting name for a convert if you ask me. But what do I know eh.

12 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:41:49pm

re: #5 spirochete

“probably two shooters”

15 rounds, 4 guns?

Earlier CNN reported that the shooter that was killed had two handguns. With the numbers, that doesn’t jibe with a single shooter.

Typically, officers have sidearms and average enlisted soldiers only have a rifle issued to them.

13 abu boo boo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:42:06pm

I think we need to start recognizing the threat posed by Majors.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:42:11pm

Oh, goodness! I am just hearing about this!

15 recusancy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:42:12pm

re: #7 cliffster

Shep is a little un fox like

16 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:42:43pm

The two other people in custody are also army.
If they are also Islamic converts, this will not be good at all…

17 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:42:55pm

re: #6 bosforus

When I hear “Major” I think of my dad, who retired from the Marines as a Major. It is unfathomable to me that a man of equal rank to my dad could do something like this. Guess you never know.

Big brother is USAF Lt. Colonel. I’ve watched his colleagues “grow up” since College ROTC and commissioning. I’ve never met one I wouldn’t trust my life or the keys to a nucelar missile to. This is weirdness beyond my experience.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:07pm

Please no jokes. Please.

Oh my God.

19 jamie  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:09pm

Whoever it was, it’s bad enough when we lose our soldiers in war. This is tragedy beyond immediate comprehension…for me, anyway.

20 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:15pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

He is reported to be a convert.

21 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:30pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

Interesting. Even given his position as a Major, I still would not rule out jihadism just quite yet. There’s much we don’t know about this guy and his cohorts.

22 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:38pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

It’s pretty generic as far as Islamic names go, without specialized spellings so family origin could be from anywhere. E.G. There are Hezbollah and Palestinians named that as well.

23 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:43pm

re: #13 abu boo boo

I think we need to start recognizing the threat posed by Majors.

I recognized the threat at 14 years old when my dad successfully shot an orange three times in a row as it rolled down an embankment from 15 yards.

24 andres  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:45pm

Damn. What a tragedy. My prayers to all the victims and their families.

25 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:43:58pm

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

If true, no shock. Converts tend to be fairly fanatical, irrespective of faith.

26 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:44:09pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, goodness! I am just hearing about this!

12 dead including the shooter. 2 more people in custody as suspects. No children were killed.

27 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:07pm

re: #11 enoughalready

It’s an interesting name for a convert if you ask me. But what do I know eh.

It’s a pretty standard Muslim name. He is probably from Pakistan, possibly a translator.

28 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:25pm

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

Converts tend to be the most radical of the radicals. When did he convert, if indeed he converted?

29 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:31pm

Fucking fuckity fuck fuck…so this wasn’t some homesick E2 who just got a dear John letter from his girl back home and snapped.

That much was clear when miltiple shooters were announced.

30 DaddyG  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:40pm

re: #25 Guanxi88

If true, no shock. Converts tend to be fairly fanatical, irrespective of faith.


You know as a convert to a faith I can agree with that. Fortunately not many faiths in the West advocate killing for God. (no sarcasm- it really is better for those of us who believe in the irrational to advocate allowing others their own brand of irrationality.)

31 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:42pm
32 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:46pm

Apparently none of the victims were armed.

33 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:49pm

Here’s a link that leads to a live feed from Killeen…

kxxv.com

34 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:59pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

(I tend to think Shiite…Lebanese Shiite, etc., not Pakistani, sunni..)

35 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

It’s a pretty standard Muslim name. He is probably from Pakistan, possibly a translator.

A convert from Pakistan?

36 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:46:08pm

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

Source?

37 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:46:24pm

re: #28 Honorary Yooper
Senator Hutchison just said he was reported to be a ’ recent convert’. I don’t know what that means, if it is true.

38 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:46:42pm
39 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:46:44pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

KBH speaking to Shep Smith.

40 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:46:59pm

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

Fucking fuckity fuck fuck…so this wasn’t some homesick E2 who just got a dear John letter from his girl back home and snapped.

That much was clear when miltiple shooters were announced.

One shooter- he’s dead. 2 others in custody as possible suspects, but let’s go easy here before assuming there was plot or something.

41 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:47:14pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

He is reportedly from Virginia.

42 infidel4ever  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:47:23pm

ABC’s Brian Ross: Shooter identified as Maj Malik Hassan, convert to Islam.

twitter.com

43 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:47:35pm

re: #39 tradewind

Ah, I’ll keep an eye out for that.

44 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:04pm

re: #42 infidel4ever

Ah, thanks.

45 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:08pm

re: #37 tradewind

Senator Hutchison just said he was reported to be a ’ recent convert’. I don’t know what that means, if it is true.

It could mean he became a Major then converted. We’ll have to wait and see.

46 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:22pm

Rick Perry just said ’ Three shooters, one killed two in custody’.

47 eastsider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:22pm

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

Convert to what from what?

48 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:30pm

Three shooters. No info directly about them…nothing confirmed, inappropriate to make speculations.

49 sandbox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:32pm

Gov. Perry says here were 3 shooters—so a conspiracy.

50 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:34pm
51 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:37pm

“3 shooters, one dead, two in custody.” Gov. Rick Perry on CNN

52 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:44pm

Gov. Perry says there were 3 shooters.. 1 dead 2 in custody

53 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:48:56pm

It sure sounds a lot like a case of domestic terrorism to me.

Am I just paranoid?

54 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:02pm

re: #32 Bagua

I can’t speak for Ft. Hood, but when I was stationed in Georgia the only time we were armed and had live ammo was when we were out on the ranges.

/That was infantry- MPs might be another matter.

55 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:11pm

re: #52 HoosierHoops

Shooters or mere suspects?

56 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:20pm

re: #47 eastsider

Oh Duh.
Convert to Pentecostal Snake handler.

57 infidel4ever  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:27pm

suspects

58 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:27pm

re: #53 really grumpy big dog johnson

It sure sounds a lot like a case of domestic terrorism to me.

Am I just paranoid?

Think it was a Tea Partier?

59 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:30pm

Noticing with trepidation that they are withholding the names of the other two terrorists.

60 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

Shooters or mere suspects?

He plainly said 3 shooters

61 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:49:43pm

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

Shooters. “Three shooters.”

62 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:01pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

re: #61 J.S.

Thats very bad. Oh boy.

63 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:08pm

I’m going to stick with the military guy from Fort Hood that there was one shooter, he’s dead, and two others were taken into custody.

64 eastsider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:16pm

re: #50 D.C. Law

This is shaping up to be another jihadi shooting. Not the first time (remember the Empire State building shooter?) and not the last.

Its not shaping up to anything yet. Its been 2 hours, and all you have is a name.

65 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:21pm

re: #53 really grumpy big dog johnson

It sure sounds a lot like a case of domestic terrorism to me.

Am I just paranoid?

No, you’re not paranoid. It could foreign infiltration as well as the Major was apparently a recent convert.

66 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #40 Sharmuta


What the hell are you saying? The fact that there were multiple shooters is indicative of a plot in and of itself.

67 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:26pm

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

I can’t speak for Ft. Hood, but when I was stationed in Georgia the only time we were armed and had live ammo was when we were out on the ranges.

/That was infantry- MPs might be another matter.

I expect that policy will be reconsidered in the coming days.

68 abu boo boo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:26pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

One shooter- he’s dead. 2 others in custody as possible suspects, but let’s go easy here before assuming there was plot or something.

You mean assume for now that the other two were not involved?

69 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:31pm
70 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:35pm

re: #63 Sharmuta
I would imagine that the governor has been given the latest information.

71 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:50:54pm

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator

Yep. and, I’m figuring it could get even worse…(depending, of course).

72 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #70 tradewind

I would imagine that the governor has been given the latest information.

I would imagine the guy on the scene who saw it with his own eyes knows a little better.

73 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:51:36pm

re: #68 abu boo boo

Assume a suspect is a suspect. “postal” shooting are very common compared to jihads shootings in our military.

74 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:51:39pm

re: #33 tradewind

Here’s a link that leads to a live feed from Killeen…

[Link: www.kxxv.com…]

Good link. Thanks. I recommend it to others.

75 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:05pm

re: #50 D.C. Law

This is shaping up to be another jihadi shooting. Not the first time (remember the Empire State building shooter?) and not the last.

And you know this?

76 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:07pm

re: #68 abu boo boo

You mean assume for now that the other two were not involved?

My understanding is that they were not shooters. They ran from the scene, were found in another building and were taken into custody for questioning.

77 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:09pm
78 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:10pm

Despite the apparently coordinated, multiple attacks and the fact that at least one of the shooters is presumptively Muslim, CNN still has this non sequitur in its reporting:

Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues.

In June, Fort Hood’s commander, Lt. Gen. Rick Lynch, told CNN that he was trying to ease the kind of stresses soldiers face. He has pushed for soldiers working a day schedule to return home for dinner by 6 p.m., and required his personal authorization for anyone working weekends. At the time, two soldiers stationed there had committed suicide in 2009 — a rate well below those of other posts.

These guys could have been shooting up the place from an APC built out of Korans and CNN would still likely try to imply that it’s just PTSD.

79 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:17pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Perry just said he got his information from the uprange commander and the downrange commander.

80 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:18pm

Back to that FBI statement about extreme right wing groups in regards to terrorist acts. Was this they had in mind?

G-d bless the victims and their families.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:19pm

re: #56 tradewind

Oh Duh.
Convert to Pentecostal Snake handler.

I deleted about five jokes that flitted across my mind with that. Each was more tasteless than the last.

82 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:20pm

It will almost surely get worse. With 12 reported killed and 31 injured, there’s a lot of wiggle room for this to get a whole lot worse.

83 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:20pm

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

The fact that there were multiple shooters is indicative of a plot in and of itself.


It’s not an established fact yet. I think it’s unlikely that he was the lone gunman but the other two are suspects, nothing confirmed yet.

84 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:31pm

re: #69 D.C. Law

Oh, and don’t forget the New Jersey jihadis who targeted American soldiers and were stopped only because the idiots made a video and a clerk happened to see the thing and call the FBI.

Yeah…but those fucking idiots weren’t given the rank of Major in the Uited States Army.

85 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:38pm

It’s possible that the Governor does not have the specifics on the people in custody. It would probably be best to wait until they give out the information in a few hours (or perhaps tomorrow).

As far as a Major not being able to advance if he was an Islamic radical - they really don’t pursue this unless there is a reason to do so. Any soldier with a clearance would have to answer questions that, if honestly answered, would reveal something. I would imagine that an Islamic radical would not be truthful about his proclivities, though.

I retired after 20 years in the Army and I can’t figure out how they would detect this before the attack.

86 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:52:53pm

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

So does jumping to conclusions when you don’t know all of the facts.

87 researchok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:02pm

re: #76 Sharmuta

My understanding is that they were not shooters. They ran from the scene, were found in another building and were taken into custody for questioning.

Perry just said they were shooters.

He have misspoke, though.

88 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:06pm

Just imagine the incredible political pressure to “manage” this story. Let’s hope the MSM is up to the challenge.

89 kellygrrrl  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:29pm

wouldn’t he have had to be in military at least 8 years to be Major?

sounds like he was about to be deployed. BBC has better coverage than US media — per yoosh

90 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:44pm

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

Damn straight. Why, we ought to be forcing Muslims to wear yellow armbands so we can easily identify and target them if any of ‘em decide to get, you know, uppity.

/ Dripping.

91 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:48pm

Member of silence being observed in Congress.

92 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:50pm

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

And your attitude is that of a bigot. And we treat people in this country innocent until proven guilty. SOmeone with the screen name D.C Law should have some small understanding of that point… well, maybe not.

93 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:51pm

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

I can’t speak for Ft. Hood, but when I was stationed in Georgia the only time we were armed and had live ammo was when we were out on the ranges.

/That was infantry- MPs might be another matter.

Exactly - someone in the previous thread was implying that the military has been so de-funded that they had to rely on local police to take care of this. Obviously this person has never been in - it seems that most civilians think that soldiers always carry around their weapons.

94 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:53pm

SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT!

Has anybody heard from soxfan4life!?

95 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:56pm

re: #87 researchok

Perry just said they were shooters.

He have misspoke, though.

Yeah- I’m leaning towards the military guy being a bit more anal about his facts.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:53:59pm

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

Link?

97 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:54:26pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

I kind of posted before thinking there, but the question was just a little too rhetorical for a serious response.

98 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:54:28pm

re: #76 Sharmuta

Wolf Blitzer is just doing an update. He stated that the two being held are still at this point being called “suspects” (and not “shooters” — although that’s what Perry called them, “three Shooters.”)

99 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:54:43pm

re: #94 Fenway_Nation

Why? Is he there?

100 kellygrrrl  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:54:49pm

looks like Gov Goodhair finally got his coiff on so he can be present

101 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:54:55pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

Tend to disagree with eye witness accounts until they are all put together and analyzed. Rashomon.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:54:56pm

re: #80 badger1970

Back to that FBI statement about extreme right wing groups in regards to terrorist acts. Was this they had in mind?

G-d bless the victims and their families.

Yes, God bless them. However, there have been several tragic recent examples of ‘what they had in mind’.

103 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:55:06pm

re: #94 Fenway_Nation

Is he @ Fort Hood?

104 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:55:08pm

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

I kinda doubt that a comment on this blog is going to get anyone killed.

105 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:55:21pm

good Lord!!! This is very, very bad.

106 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:55:42pm

re: #87 researchok

The two in custody could have been armed and ID’d as shooters whether or not they were able to inflict any damage. Hopefully if they were involved, they were arrested first.

107 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:55:58pm

I remember after 9/11 how we stood ready to give blood, but there were no wounded to give blood to.

May the wounded get the blood they need.

108 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:07pm

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator


Yes- 1st Cav- Ft. Hood, TX

109 tom112  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:10pm

Thoughts and prayers!

110 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:12pm

New update from military spokesman. Click on live link on top of page:
kxxv.com

111 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:27pm

Well, it’s been two hours, and that appears to be enough time for the bigots and speculators and the outright fools to have put their Mickey’s down and saunter over to the keyboards and start posting vile comments on the internets, comments which have no basis in facts, dishonest statements and plain old hatred. prepackaged, pre-canned and ready to fling, like monkeys flinging their shit.

Welcome!

112 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:30pm

This makes NO sense. Why would the army let a vocal malcontent who is also an officer be deployed?

113 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:35pm

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

Yes- 1st Cav- Ft. Hood, TX

Oh shit.

114 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:40pm
115 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:56:45pm

re: #98 J.S.

Wolf Blitzer is just doing an update. He stated that the two being held are still at this point being called “suspects” (and not “shooters” — although that’s what Perry called them, “three Shooters.”)

He also nominates creationists to the school board and thinks national healthcare is a reason to secede from the Union.

116 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:57:19pm

re: #110 HelloDare

New update from military spokesman. Click on live link on top of page:
[Link: www.kxxv.com…]

NOPE. That was from an hour ago. Sorry.

117 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:57:24pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

lol. Yep…

118 eastsider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:57:51pm

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

hey, like six people beat me to my response, thanks all. Gotta love the LGF community for its rationality.

119 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:57:57pm

re: #78 Diamond Bullet

Despite the apparently coordinated, multiple attacks and the fact that at least one of the shooters is presumptively Muslim, CNN still has this non sequitur in its reporting:


These guys could have been shooting up the place from an APC built out of Korans and CNN would still likely try to imply that it’s just PTSD.


Actually, this is normal for CNN. They modify individual paragraphs of their online stories as new information becomes available. The paragraphs here are from the original posting, and the editors apparently haven’t made their periodic “full sweep” of the story to reorganize it in light of all the new information that’s flowed in since the first posting.

I don’t see any attempt to push the PTSD angle even here. The story notes that the suicide rate at the base was below average. When I read that a couple hours ago, my take away was that PTSD was one of the more unlikely possibilities.

120 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:58:00pm

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

Yes- 1st Cav- Ft. Hood, TX

Have you been trying to raise him via other means?

121 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:58:25pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

re: #117 J.S.

Perhaps we should extend the same avoidance of partisan snark towards Perry as we did towards Obama?

122 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:58:25pm

re: #116 HelloDare

The information is starting to loop and echo. We may get hours of that. Remember balloon boy… hours of the same repetitive echoes bereft of new information.

123 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:58:37pm

Kay Bailey Hutchenson just said that he was getting ready to be deployed to Iraq and was upset about it. I’m only passing on because the Sen. from TX said it.

124 William of Orange  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:58:52pm

I wonder how long it will take for the Becks, Coulters and Malkins before they will blame this aweful incident on Obama, Acorn or the Democrats. Really, it’s in their nature, their twisted mind.


Time starts… Now!

125 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:59:08pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

I thought this wasn’t the time for political statements and digs?

126 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:59:23pm

re: #121 cliffster

My vote is for no snark, no sarc on these two (so far) threads. Just out of respect to the families etc.

127 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:59:54pm

re: #120 Dreader1962

No…about the only way we hear from each other regularly is here or via my blog.

128 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:00:06pm

re: #125 TheMatrix31

The governor is pushing false information. It’s a little different then the slams on Obama, don’t you think?

129 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:00:28pm

re: #124 William of Orange

I wonder how long it will take for the Becks, Coulters and Malkins before they will blame this aweful incident on Obama, Acorn or the Democrats. Really, it’s in their nature, their twisted mind.


Time starts… Now!

Day ain’t over yet. Give them some time, I’m sure they’re not exactly the fastest typists in the West.

130 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:00:55pm

Maj. General Robert Cone - Fort Hood Commanding General says that there were witness accounts that more and one shooter was involved leading to two suspects being arrested. {paraphrased}

131 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:01:07pm

Perry said all three were shooters; Blitzer says that two in custody are suspects. Semantics aside, it’s too soon to tell what role each played in this or why the dead major (or two others arrested as suspects) engaged in mass murder.

132 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:01:26pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

He also nominates creationists to the school board and thinks national healthcare is a reason to secede from the Union.

I wouldn’t put much stock in people’s individual words at this point. They’re speaking out of uncertainty and under stress, and misstatments are common. Even under ordinary circumstances, no one’s speech would withstand the sort of micro-syllabic parsing being performed here.

133 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:01:32pm

Just getting back in and depressed as hell.

I am wondering how the guy got his hands on a sniper rifle. But an officer can get to weapons in an armory or stored at the provost more easily than an enlisted man.

134 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:01:43pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

How do you know what’s false or what’s not false at this moment in time?

135 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:01:48pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

And you know this is false…how?

136 eastsider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:01:55pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

So does jumping to conclusions when you don’t know all of the facts.

Also, if you’re throwing around accusations of “PC Crap” leading to murder, the implication you’re making in this scenario would be that the United States Army’s negligent “PC Crap” attitude led to 12 people’s deaths. The man was a major. I’m siding w/ the army until the point comes where its revealed that they should have known better.

How about for today, or hell, even for the next few hours, you hold off on the knee-jerk, borderline racist reaction and just express some reverence for the fallen.

My prayers are with their families.

137 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:02:04pm

Twelve Soldiers Killed in Fort Hood Shooting - ABC News

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, told Fox News that military sources informed her that the gunman was about to be deployed to Iraq.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.

The general said there were “eyewitness accounts of more than one shooter,” and the others were tracked to an adjacent facility.

138 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:02:11pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

There was an incident at the theater and one simultaneously at the medical area… how does this involve only one shooter?
At the very least, it indicates coordination.
It will probably be a while before we know because there must be some really tight security going on.

139 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:02:12pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

It’s Perry for Pete’s sake, another politician up for office trying to get the inside track on KBH. Why do you think she’s being so vocal all of a sudden?

140 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:02:36pm

re: #133 karmic_inquisitor

Just getting back in and depressed as hell.

I am wondering how the guy got his hands on a sniper rifle. But an officer can get to weapons in an armory or stored at the provost more easily than an enlisted man.

Was it a rifle? CNN reported two handguns earlier. Apparently the shooting occurred in a crowded, restricted area; I don’t think it was in the open.

141 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:02:48pm

re: #132 SixDegrees

I wouldn’t put much stock in people’s individual words at this point. They’re speaking out of uncertainty and under stress, and misstatments are common. Even under ordinary circumstances, no one’s speech would withstand the sort of micro-syllabic parsing being performed here.

Yes- but some people are leaping to conclusions based on these mis-statements. For now I’m relying on the military press conference we saw with people actually on the scene as being the most reliable.

142 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:02:58pm

In case no one has linked this yet, it’s streaming:

myfoxdfw.com

143 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:02pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

The governor is pushing false information. It’s a little different then the slams on Obama, don’t you think?

Except that creationism and healthcare are not the current issue right now, this shooting is. Same as some people on the last thread were asked to keep other topics out of this.

144 KernelPanic  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:18pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

The governor is pushing false information. It’s a little different then the slams on Obama, don’t you think?

I can’t stand Perry but I did watch him live. He was not pushing false information or doing anything really political. In addition to the “three shooters” misquote he also said “7 dead and 20 wounded” which is information that was “current” about 90 minutes earlier. My impression was that he was just providing (old) information from his own briefs and did not realize that events had outpaced his own information.

145 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:23pm

re: #137 Charles


Thank you- that’s the statement myself and others were looking for.

146 spirochete  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:27pm

There were two simultaneous shootings? Link?

147 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:29pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

Is General Cone a good enough source? Because he just reported eyewitness accounts of two other ’ shooters’.

148 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:35pm

re: #134 TheMatrix31

How do you know what’s false or what’s not false at this moment in time?

re: #135 Fenway_Nation

And you know this is false…how?

I’ve been following along for hours.

149 William of Orange  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:42pm

In any case, keep the heads cool!

A lot of speculation is going on in the media. Details are not known about this.

150 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:45pm

re: #124 William of Orange

I wonder how long it will take for the Becks, Coulters and Malkins before they will blame this aweful incident on Obama, Acorn or the Democrats. Really, it’s in their nature, their twisted mind.

Time starts… Now!

They won’t do that. They’ll put the blame where it belongs: On Radical Islam. I hope that Obama learns a lesson from this about the nature of the threat we face.

151 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:47pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

Yes- but some people are leaping to conclusions based on these mis-statements. For now I’m relying on the military press conference we saw with people actually on the scene as being the most reliable.

Completely agree.

152 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:03:47pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Wolf Blitzer just replayed another segment from law enforcement — and there are supposedly eye-witness reports about a second shooter — but this hasn’t been confirmed, and the two “suspects” — their involvement — has yet to be determined (did they engage in any shooting? or did they assist the main gunmen in some other way? etc.).

153 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:04:17pm

Everyone -

A Major Malik Nidal Hasan appears to be “the Shooter” - Res Ipsa Loquitor.
Reminds me of the event just before Iraqi Freedom of the Sgt. who rolled a grenade into a tent in Kuwait.
Fox has just confirmed the name, finally!

-S-

154 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:04:25pm

CNN is going on about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

155 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:04:44pm

A newsreader just said that the shooter worked in the psychiatric department of the bases hospital.

Another doctor, like the Glasgow Airport terrorists?

156 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:04:51pm

re: #139 badger1970

Uh, because she was being questioned?
She said very little, as a matter of fact, with a distinct lack of political spin.

157 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:05:09pm

I just scheduled an appointment to give blood. Won’t be for a bit, but they’ll need blood then, too.

Stop snarking and—if you can— get bled for America. Really, most of us, it’s all we can do.

158 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:05:15pm

re: #144 KernelPanic

I can’t stand Perry but I did watch him live. He was not pushing false information or doing anything really political. In addition to the “three shooters” misquote he also said “7 dead and 20 wounded” which is information that was “current” about 90 minutes earlier. My impression was that he was just providing (old) information from his own briefs and did not realize that events had outpaced his own information.

So I shouldn’t correct people here when they base their opinions off faulty information? I can’t mention the previously sloppy thinking of the politician who made these inaccurate comments?

159 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:05:16pm

re: #149 William of Orange

In any case, keep the heads cool!

A lot of speculation is going on in the media. Details are not known about this.

The media is in full frenzy mode. Off-the-cuff statements by reporters begin to be picked up and circulated by other reporters, producing a circle-jerk of misinformation.

Time to tune out for a few hours.

160 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:05:36pm

re: #153 Dr. Shalit


Sgt. Hassan Akhbar- a convert to Islam. Remind me again why that piece of shit is wasting our precious oxygen.

161 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:05:46pm

re: #154 Bagua

More like post induction orders.

162 arethusa  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:02pm

CBS News says Hasan was a psychiatrist from Maryland.

163 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #136 eastsider

Since when is Islam a race? The concern is here is with a religion, not with a race.

164 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:14pm

re: #156 tradewind

Sorry. Hate got in front of common sense.

165 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:15pm

re: #155 HelloDare

That would jibe with reports mentioning that part of the incident occurred in a traumatic brain injury clinic on base (possibly building 42006). Do you have a link to your source?

166 vbspurs  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:16pm

May God rest the souls of all who died at the hands of Major Malik Hassan, and any of his accomplices, as yet unknown. It’s a tragic day for America, when one of those charged to protect us, instead makes his countrymen his targets…

167 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #155 HelloDare

A newsreader just said that the shooter worked in the psychiatric department of the bases hospital.

Another doctor, like the Glasgow Airport terrorists?

Holy shit! Curiouser and curiouser…

168 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:27pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout
It is a common name in the Arabic world.

Sincere condolences to the victims families.

169 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:06:51pm

If he is a convert he probably changed his name to Malik Nadal Hassan.

170 sandbox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:00pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

If there are other shooters, then this is a conspiracy—so probably a jihad attack.

171 KernelPanic  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:05pm

re: #158 Sharmuta

So I shouldn’t correct people here when they base their opinions off faulty information? I can’t mention the previously sloppy thinking of the politician who made these inaccurate comments?

I had no such grand suggestions in mind, just wanted to give you my take as someone who watched it live.

172 researchok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:06pm

I’m thinking about the widows and orphans.

For too many, this day will be remembered for a lifetime.

173 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:19pm

Wolf Blitzer — dead shooter a mental health professional according to Associated press.

174 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:29pm

Questions not asked as far as I can tell-That should be
Was he recently divorced?
Passed over for promotion?
Under investigation for any reason?
Oathkeeper?

175 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:35pm

re: #154 Bagua

CNN is going on about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

They’re spewing BS. At best, this is liable to be Sudden Jihad Syndrome. At worst, this is an Al Qaeda plot.

176 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:36pm
177 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #162 arethusa

CBS News says Hasan was a psychiatrist from Maryland.

Curiouser and curiouser…
A Major, recent convert, psychiatrist and about to be deployed to Iraq.

178 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:07:46pm

re: #172 researchok

Luby’s?

179 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:08:12pm

re: #148 Sharmuta

I’ve been following along for hours.

Maybe it’s better for all to just ease back a bit and follow the news reports. There is no need for anyone to become overly invested in a particular hypothesis at this point, is there?
I think I’ll get some fresh air.
BBL.

180 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:08:16pm

re: #165 lawhawk

That would jibe with reports mentioning that part of the incident occurred in a traumatic brain injury clinic on base (possibly building 42006). Do you have a link to your source?


Somebody posted this link earlier. Click on the live feed. The news reader was quoting a military source.

kxxv.com

181 researchok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:08:40pm

re: #178 badger1970

Luby’s?

Today’s events in addition to Luby’s.

182 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:08:55pm

re: #176 D.C. Law

I generally make it a practice not to take history lessons from bigots.

I’ll be certain to apply that practice here.

183 Quilly Mammoth  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:08:57pm

So if the guy was a recent convert and was very upset why would they still deploy him? If they need help in a combat zone they could have sent him over to the DMZ.

Does anyone know if the Brits allowed Catholics to opt out of Belfast deployments?

184 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:09:01pm

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

Sgt. Hassan Akhbar- a convert to Islam. Remind me again why that piece of shit is wasting our precious oxygen.

Fenway_Nation -

Legal Process - SOME, Political Correctness - MOSTLY. Too Bad Eddie Slovik was born too soon. That is all.

-S-

185 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:09:18pm

re: #176 D.C. Law

Go away Troll, this is not the time.

186 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:09:18pm

re: #154 Bagua

CNN is going on about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

That’s because they are jackasses.

187 Idle Drifter  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:09:27pm

An officer involved in the shootings! WTF! Mom’s trying to get hold my younger brother. He’s not at Fort Hood though no doubt the military is in full locked down mode. Hope everyone is getting in contact with friends and family members currently serving. BRB.

188 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:09:28pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel
There are a number of doctors that have been implicated in jihadist attacks elsewhere. Sort of shoots down the poor uneducated terrorist theory.

189 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:09:45pm

Cowardly sons of bitches. It’s pretty evident what went on here, assassins at work, but I will put a cork in it for now.

190 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:10:08pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

They’re spewing BS. At best, this is liable to be Sudden Jihad Syndrome. At worst, this is an Al Qaeda plot.

I think you are spot on in that analysis, Dark_Falcon. I think I’d prefer SJS over the later…

191 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:10:37pm

re: #186 cliffster

That’s because they are jackasses.

Yes, egregious hacks.

192 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:10:44pm

re: #140 Dreader1962

Was it a rifle? CNN reported two handguns earlier. Apparently the shooting occurred in a crowded, restricted area; I don’t think it was in the open.

I must be going on old info. Hand guns are easier to own on a military base. Still have to be registered with the Provost and subject to being stored at the Provost’s arms room but generally not required.

193 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:10:46pm

re: #189 The Shadow Do

Cowardly sons of bitches. It’s pretty evident what went on here, assassins at work, but I will put a cork in it for now.

Too late, we can already smell it.

194 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:10:49pm

More info from hospital, Temple, Texas. urgent appeal for blood has gone out.

195 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:10:52pm

re: #186 cliffster

That’s because they are jackasses.

I’m sure the doctors involved in the Glasgow airport attack had PTSD. too./

196 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:11:12pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon
We have been told over and over about the lone actor theory for acts of terror… that there will be incidents springing out of apparently nowhere. The problem is that these are almost impossible to stop.

197 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:11:18pm

“outburst of violence”? How does he know it was an outburst?

198 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:11:22pm

this makes me literally sick in my guts…I just want to cry…SJS

199 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:11:26pm

re: #172 researchok

I’m thinking about the widows and orphans.

For too many, this day will be remembered for a lifetime.

We should all remember this day. Those who died were killed by the same totalitarian hatered that drove the 9/11 hijackers. WE should always remember the dea, and work to finish the task tthey have begun. Armistice Day is not for another 6 days, but here is a poem often posted on that day:

In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army

In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

200 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:11:46pm

re: #173 J.S.

He’s a licensed psychiatrist originally from Silver Springs MD.

201 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:11:47pm

re: #176 D.C. Law

I’ll tell you what. You’re kind of bullshit is not going to fly on LGF. You can have an opinion without insulting other Lizards. And Lizards can have opinions that are opposite yours, and not have to expect your kind of shit in return.

We tend to debate here, use our critical thinking skills, agree to disagree. You evidently would have trouble doing that here.

A suggestion… git.

202 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:12:10pm
203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:12:19pm

re: #194 J.S.

They’ll have donors lined up for miles. I love Texans!

204 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:12:19pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

I was going to save that one for…*counts fingers*…six days from now.

205 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:12:46pm

Wow, CAIR must really be neutralized . A year or so ago they would already have been spinning all over every network.
So glad we are being spared the sight and sound of Ibrahim Hooper.

206 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:12:52pm

Can’t rule out PTSD at this point…(a shooter with PTSD goes berserk— could be the explanation at this point.)

207 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:12:59pm

re: #190 really grumpy big dog johnson

I wouldn’t. If this was SJS, that means that there was a conversion and brainwashing going on. If there was that, and this guy was a mental health professional as being rumored, then who else has this guy’s “message” reached?

208 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:13:11pm

re: #176 D.C. Law

You had a good post until those last two lines.

209 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:13:13pm

re: #200 lawhawk

Dammit. The DC Sniper’s same area.

210 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:13:21pm

re: #192 karmic_inquisitor

I must be going on old info. Hand guns are easier to own on a military base. Still have to be registered with the Provost and subject to being stored at the Provost’s arms room but generally not required.

The number of casualties argues against handguns, but it also argues against a single shooter. I think the main focus will be getting all witness statements and going over the scene in detail with witnesses.

A benefit will be that the military will be able to get there hands on any witnesses needed and most of them will give more detailed reports than typical witnesses.

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:13:23pm

re: #202 D.C. Law

Really? You’re here to argue?

NOW?

212 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:13:40pm
213 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:13:41pm

re: #202 D.C. Law

Stop insulting the posters here. We are discussing something serious here.

214 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:13:42pm

re: #200 lawhawk

And served at Walter Reed Hospital also (according to CNN).

215 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:14:06pm

re: #178 badger1970

Think that was a cafeteria massacre.

216 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:14:11pm

The update confirms multiple shooters:

A Fort Hood press release confirmed that “more than one shooter fired shots into the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and Howze Theater on Fort Hood.”

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:14:16pm

re: #107 EmmmieG

I remember after 9/11 how we stood ready to give blood, but there were no wounded to give blood to.

May the wounded get the blood they need.

I’m sure people in the area will step up.

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:14:40pm

re: #212 werewolf_in_florida

They ain’t “peeps”.

219 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:14:45pm

re: #216 Thanos

Thank you.

220 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:06pm

re: #6 bosforus

When I hear “Major” I think of my dad, who retired from the Marines as a Major. It is unfathomable to me that a man of equal rank to my dad could do something like this. Guess you never know.

Well, you don’t think of particle physicists as being terrorists either, yet…

221 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:07pm

Not SJS. Not if there are what looks like three, at minimum, involved. This is a murderous conspiricy if that proves true. A capital crime as opposed to acting on some sudden rage.

222 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:12pm

re: #202 D.C. Law

Calm down dude. While I agree with what you say, there’s no need for insulting.

223 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:26pm

re: #206 J.S.
Really???

224 badger1970  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:32pm

re: #209 tradewind

When’s that bastard’s sentence going to be carried out?

225 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:33pm

re: #202 D.C. Law

Pray tell, where is the bigotry? And lord knows, a little history wouldn’t hurt you. Then, maybe, you wouldn’t say such silly, silly things. Also, you too might want to read and do some research.

Putz (I assume you know what that means…)

hi, I’m albusteve…you’re an asshole, and I dislike you already

226 EastSider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:41pm

re: #176 D.C. Law

Look, you’re exercising really poor timing right now. You’re trying to make a political point hours after a tragedy. I’m in Austin right now, and the sun hasn’t even set on this awful day.

Stop for a second and think about how you would respond to someone making any of the following arguments right now:

-Guns should be illegal because 12 people are dead
-Guns should be handed to everyone because 12 people are dead
-The military should not have any Muslim members
-The Army is incompetent because this man was able to kill 12 people

You might just be really angry, either because you disagree with some of those positions, or, if you’re sane, because ITS 4 HOURS AFTER 12 SERVICEMEN/WOMEN WERE KILLED.

Regardless of your tenuous and bigoted position, exercise some tact and please stfu for a little while.

227 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:47pm

I have a sickening feeling of deja vu about all this in that how the news is unfolding here is so much like that of the Virginia Tech massacre and all the other mass murders in recent history and how reports continued to vary for hours (and motives remain a mystery for quite a long time after that).

228 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:48pm

re: #219 Sharmuta

Thank you.

Thank Charles, he posted the update

229 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:15:55pm

re: #222 gegenkritik

Calm down dude. While I agree with what you say, there’s no need for insulting.

Then why did you up ding him? Birds of a feather?

230 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:16:03pm

re: #224 badger1970
Shocka. It’s being appealed on grounds of ineffective counsel.
/spit/

231 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:16:07pm

re: #202 D.C. Law

Pray tell, where is the bigotry? And lord knows, a little history wouldn’t hurt you. Then, maybe, you wouldn’t say such silly, silly things. Also, you too might want to read and do some research.

Putz (I assume you know what that means…)

‘Bye, now.

232 William of Orange  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:16:15pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

They won’t do that. They’ll put the blame where it belongs: On Radical Islam. I hope that Obama learns a lesson from this about the nature of the threat we face.

I think we won’t have to expect a comment from Beck. He was in hospital for an operation and is recovering now.

glennbeck.com

233 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:16:18pm

re: #206 J.S.

Can’t rule out PTSD at this point…(a shooter with PTSD goes berserk— could be the explanation at this point.)

That’s quite a stretch with two suspects in custody and one dead.

234 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:16:21pm

soxfan4life’s last post was 4:30 AM Pacific time.

Hope he’s OK and just incommunicado for now.

If you’re reading this, let us know that you’re OK as soon as you’re able to.

235 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:16:30pm

re: #202 D.C. Law

Charles, may I suggest a time-out for this fellow? He’s badly out of sorts and and I fear he’s going to get himself banned for good.

236 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:16:53pm

re: #216 Thanos

If there were three shooters in different areas, it would seem like a Mumbai set up.

237 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:17:03pm

We have multiple shooters confirmed, looking more like a coordinated attack.

238 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:17:30pm

re: #237 Thanos

confirmed? Link?

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:17:47pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

They won’t do that. They’ll put the blame where it belongs: On Radical Islam. I hope that Obama learns a lesson from this about the nature of the threat we face.

I really hope you are right. I’m not sure all of the wackier fringe can identify the enemy any more.

240 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:17:55pm

re: #228 Thanos

I was not aware.

241 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:11pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Charles, may I suggest a time-out for this fellow? He’s badly out of sorts and and I fear he’s going to get himself banned for good.

no you may not…MYOB

242 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:18pm

re: #238 Rightwingconspirator

confirmed? Link?

See Charles’ update above, press release from the base

243 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:23pm

re: #223 tradewind

You’d have to confirm more than one shooter, etc. (that’s yet to be done at this point…If there’s but one shooter, then PTSD becomes a possibility. If there were mutlitple shooters, then it’s less likely to be PTSD.)

244 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:24pm

re: #221 The Shadow Do

Not SJS. Not if there are what looks like three, at minimum, involved. This is a murderous conspiricy if that proves true. A capital crime as opposed to acting on some sudden rage.

Really doesn’t seem much like al-Qaeda’s style, either…

245 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:29pm
246 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:38pm

re: #233 The Shadow Do

Well, you know, they could have all snapped simultaneously///
/heavy sarc/

247 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:44pm

re: #242 Thanos

Thx!

248 abu boo boo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:18:48pm

re: #237 Thanos

We have multiple shooters confirmed, looking more like a coordinated attack.

Who shot the Major?

249 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:19:12pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Charles, may I suggest a time-out for this fellow? He’s badly out of sorts and and I fear he’s going to get himself banned for good.

Class of 2004, 206 comments and -18 karma, and he picks this even to bait and insult on?

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:19:31pm

re: #174 Rightwingconspirator

Questions not asked as far as I can tell-That should be
Was he recently divorced?
Passed over for promotion?
Under investigation for any reason?
Oathkeeper?

I’m sure all those questions will be asked.

251 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:19:44pm

re: #245 D.C. Law

I’ve been on this board since 9/11. I don’t need you telling me what to do or what to say.

And you, btw, were the one who threw around the insults. The problem is you really, really don’t know what your are talking about. That’s fine, you’re entitled to say whatever you want, but you shouldn’t slam others as bigots without any understanding of the underlying facts.

Jihadism is a major ideological current in the Muslim community, in America and elsewhere. That is a fact. The “mainstream” Muslims, for the most part (and there are notable exceptions) do not do a damn thing to counter it or stop it. That too, is a fact. Start, for bedtime reading, with the FBI transcripts of taped meetings from the leadership conference of the people who now lead nearly all the major Muslim organizations in America. They are publicly available. Or do you prefer ignorance and baseless self-rightousness?

GAZE.

252 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:19:44pm

re: #216 Thanos

The update confirms multiple shooters:

It’s terrorism. The day may not be over.

253 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:01pm

re: #232 William of Orange

I think we won’t have to expect a comment from Beck. He was in hospital for an operation and is recovering now.

[Link: www.glennbeck.com…]

What a story to hear while you’re trying to rest. Given how hyper Glen Beck is (I should know, since I’m often the same way (ADHD)), he’ll probably need to be put in a coma to keep him from getting worked up over this. That’s not a snipe at him, because this is the sort of story that makes your blood boil.

254 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:06pm

re: #248 abu boo boo

Who shot the Major?

A police officer, who was also killed.

255 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:19pm

Wolf Blitzer again repeats right now that we don’t yet know why the other two have been detained…(i’m listening/viewing CNN — this is what CNN is reporting…)

256 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:23pm

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

It seems more like the grenade roller’s style.

257 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:24pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton
Because of this part: “While I agree with what you say […]”.

258 Izzyboy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:24pm

Malik Nadal Hasan.

Huh.

Crazy Taoists.

259 EastSider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:31pm

re: #245 D.C. Law

I’ve been on this board since 9/11. I don’t need you telling me what to do or what to say.

And you, btw, were the one who threw around the insults. The problem is you really, really don’t know what your are talking about. That’s fine, you’re entitled to say whatever you want, but you shouldn’t slam others as bigots without any understanding of the underlying facts.

Jihadism is a major ideological current in the Muslim community, in America and elsewhere. That is a fact. The “mainstream” Muslims, for the most part (and there are notable exceptions) do not do a damn thing to counter it or stop it. That too, is a fact. Start, for bedtime reading, with the FBI transcripts of taped meetings from the leadership conference of the people who now lead nearly all the major Muslim organizations in America. They are publicly available. Or do you prefer ignorance and baseless self-rightousness?

Registered since: Jun 16, 2004 at 4:51 am
No. of comments posted: 207
No. of links posted: 0

Okay so you’re more senior than me, but that’s not the kind of history to trot out for defense.

260 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:20:49pm

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

It could be a plot along the lines of the Fort Dix Six - shooting up a base facility at an opportune time. Multiple attackers coordinating in some fashion suggests something other than SJS.

261 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:21:14pm

re: #248 abu boo boo

Military Police, I believe.

262 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #260 lawhawk

It could be a plot along the lines of the Fort Dix Six - shooting up a base facility at an opportune time. Multiple attackers coordinating in some fashion suggests something other than SJS.

That’s where I am leaning as well, but it’s too soon to say.

263 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:21:56pm

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

Really doesn’t seem much like al-Qaeda’s style, either…

But it does resemble what happened in Pakistan a few weeks ago and what happened in Mumbai last year. Gun attacks by multiple coordinated shooters.

264 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:21:59pm

re: #255 J.S.
Wolf Blitzer is, out of all three or four networks I’m following, the least credible person IMO.
And CNN is usually very good at the breaking/hard news coverage… it’s just that he is not. He has to backtrack more than almost anyone there.

265 Kruk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:21:59pm

This is the only story I’ve been reading today, and it makes me sick to my stomach. My thoughts and prayers for the families of those who were killed, and for a quick and complete recovery for those who were injured.

I don’t know how much coverage this has gotten in the US, but the British also lost five soldiers to a shooting by a Afghan policeman yesterday. It’s been a tragic week.

timesonline.co.uk

266 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:22:15pm

re: #245 D.C. Law

You need to back off. Your arguments entire basis relies solely on the murderer’s name. You need to wait until we know what the hell happened before you assign motives.
Gaze, kthxbai.

267 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:22:28pm

The nutosphere is going absolutely apeshit over this and it is going to get much worse. The “false flag” idiocy is the worst.

(Paraphrased and condensed)Since Hasan is from Maryland, close by DC, he has obviously been conspiring with fellow Muslim Barack Obama to carry out this attack in order to justify martial law and a crackdown.
(I am not making that up but I won’t pollute this board with a link.)

Crackdown on whom? Muslim psychiatrists?

268 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:23:16pm

re: #264 tradewind

He tends to be cautious — also, don’t forget it was Wolf Blitzer who revealed the Balloon boy hoax…it was through his questioning…

269 infidel4ever  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:23:23pm

the FBI transcripts of taped meetings from the leadership conference of the people who now lead nearly all the major Muslim organizations in America. They are publicly available.

Are they available online?

270 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:23:23pm

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

Really doesn’t seem much like al-Qaeda’s style, either…

I agree with that. Need a new adjetive to go with Jihad Syndrome however. This does not look particulary sudden at this point. Are these bastards self radicalized or is there someone(s) somewhere outside these three to look for their ‘inspiration’? I hope the FBI digs deep.

271 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:23:33pm

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel

Who gives a fuck about the nutosphere right now? Let’s stick to news.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:23:37pm

re: #176 D.C. Law

1. It ain’t hate if its true.
2. Clearly, you don’t know squat about Muslim extremism in the US, or the extent to which jihadism is common currency. Have you taken the time to read any of the evidence made public in U.S. v. HolyLand Foundation, for example? Do a little research and come talk with me.
3. And yes, PC crap gets people killed. Its getting our boys killed in Afghanistan now, for example.

Oh, and six degrees - re your statement:


You likely don’t know this, but Nazi practice of making Jews wear yellow armbands was taken directly from the Muslims, for whom this had been a common custom for hundreds of years.

So, with all respect, STFU you moron.

? Go screw yourself.

No, the Nazi practice of making Jews wear yellow stars was taken directly from longstanding European Christian practice. Circular and star-shaped badges, badges in the shape of the Tablets of the Law, and in the shape of a “Jew’s hat”, mostly in yellow or red, were commonly imposed.

There were various impositions of badges and clothing laws related to Jews in the Muslim world as well, but saying that the Nazis got it from them is pure, revisionist, BS.

Calm down.

273 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:23:42pm

re: #257 gegenkritik

Because of this part: “While I agree with what you say […]”.

What he says hold no note if he is going to insult and berate Lizards. If that works for you, fine, have at it.

And his assumptions that I have no idea what we are dealing with in regards to radical Islam just shows his ignorance of who I am and my long time connection with the issue and it’s various flavors.

So, I don’t care if he is Allah himself, I have no time for that sort of arrogance.

274 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:23:43pm

re: #260 lawhawk

It could be a plot along the lines of the Fort Dix Six - shooting up a base facility at an opportune time. Multiple attackers coordinating in some fashion suggests something other than SJS.

handguns would not be the most effective way of doing it…but with security maybe that’s all they had…imagine the damage otherwise

275 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:24:31pm

re: #266 Varek Raith

Gaze, kthxbai.

Nice addition to the usual GAZE.

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:24:37pm

re: #252 Canadian Guy

It’s terrorism. The day may not be over.

Many good, honorable American Soldiers who are Muslim are getting stared at on every base in America right now. And I am sure that bases are on high alert.

I am thankful for their service to our Country.

277 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:24:41pm

MSNBC still trying to push the pstd meme, with the help of Joe Sestak.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:24:53pm

re: #188 tradewind

There are a number of doctors that have been implicated in jihadist attacks elsewhere. Sort of shoots down the poor uneducated terrorist theory.

The poor and uneducated tend to need to work. This cuts down on the amount of time they have for jihad.

279 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:24:56pm

re: #245 D.C. Law

I’ve been on this board since 9/11. I don’t need you telling me what to do or what to say.
{gaze}


Your 200 comments in eight years earn you nothing. No one is interested in your tripe.

280 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:25:18pm

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel

The nutosphere is going absolutely apeshit over this and it is going to get much worse. The “false flag” idiocy is the worst.

(Paraphrased and condensed)Since Hasan is from Maryland, close by DC, he has obviously been conspiring with fellow Muslim Barack Obama to carry out this attack in order to justify martial law and a crackdown.
(I am not making that up but I won’t pollute this board with a link.)

Crackdown on whom? Muslim psychiatrists?

We’ll need to get more information before planning a response. I’m not going to call for action until we know more about how this happened.

281 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:25:23pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

No, D.C.Law is right:

en.wikipedia.org

282 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:25:32pm

re: #176 D.C. Law


You likely don’t know this, but Nazi practice of making Jews wear yellow armbands was taken directly from the Muslims, for whom this had been a common custom for hundreds of years.
blockquote>

yeah, it was taken directly from islam and adopted by christians way before

re: #176 D.C. Law

1. It ain’t hate if its true.
2. Clearly, you don’t know squat about Muslim extremism in the US, or the extent to which jihadism is common currency. Have you taken the time to read any of the evidence made public in U.S. v. HolyLand Foundation, for example? Do a little research and come talk with me.
3. And yes, PC crap gets people killed. Its getting our boys killed in Afghanistan now, for example.

Oh, and six degrees - re your statement:


You likely don’t know this, but Nazi practice of making Jews wear yellow armbands was taken directly from the Muslims, for whom this had been a common custom for hundreds of years.

So, with all respect, STFU you moron.

? Go screw yourself.

hello rodan

283 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:25:49pm

re: #248 abu boo boo

Who shot the Major?

It was reported above to be local Law Enforcement. Unfortunately he was one of the victims as well.

284 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:25:56pm

A briefing is expected from Fort Hood, shortly…

285 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:26:10pm

re: #277 tradewind

MSNBC still trying to push the pstd meme, with the help of Joe Sestak.

Disgusting

286 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:26:17pm

re: #284 J.S.

A briefing is expected from Fort Hood, shortly…

Is there a feed?

287 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:26:21pm

Just how sorry do you feel for them?

militaryfamily.org

uso.org

soldiersangels.org

288 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:26:54pm

KXXV is talking about how 30 woulded is a lot for two pistols.

KXXV just now is reporting the Major was distraught by a hate crime vandalism incident on his car.

289 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:27:16pm

re: #286 Sharmuta

I imagine there might be — from CNN (?). But, off hand, I haven’t got a link…

290 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:27:21pm

re: #282 spacejesus

hello rodan

It does have that frothiness about it…

291 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:27:37pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

KXXV is talking about how 30 woulded is a lot for two pistols.

KXXV just now is reporting the Major was distraught by a hate crime vandalism incident on his car.

Whoa, that just does not compute… :(

292 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:27:38pm

re: #281 gegenkritik

No, D.C.Law is right:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]


no he isn’t. hitler didn’t take it directly from islam. the yellow badge had already been in use by christians prior to hitler. it’s not like hitler opened up a book about jews in muslim countries and decided, ‘hey, this yellow thing seems like a great and novel idea.’

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:27:42pm

re: #227 lawhawk

I have a sickening feeling of deja vu about all this in that how the news is unfolding here is so much like that of the Virginia Tech massacre and all the other mass murders in recent history and how reports continued to vary for hours (and motives remain a mystery for quite a long time after that).

We get the first reports so fast these days, that it’s impossible to sort out fact from not-fact for some time.

294 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:27:43pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The good news is they’re not going to be rounded up.
(Sucked for the Nisei, under another democratic Change president)…

295 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:27:45pm

From CNN …

Ten of the other dead also were soldiers, while the remaining one was a civilian police officer who was working as a contractor on the base, Cone said.

Two of the injured were in “very serious” condition, Fort Hood spokesman Christopher Hogue said.

More than one shooter may have been involved, Cone said.

“All the casualties took place at the initial incident, that took place at 13:30 [1:30 p.m. CT], at the soldier readiness facility,” Cone said.

The primary shooter had two weapons, both handguns, he said.

“The local police response forces were there relatively quickly and killed the confirmed shooter,” Cone said.

cnn.com

296 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:28:15pm

re: #224 badger1970

When’s that bastard’s sentence going to be carried out?

badger -

“Inshallah” - Next Wednesday. AND - If I recall, it will be DNC Chair/VA Gov. Kaine who will have to agree to carry it out. Verry Interesting.

-S-

297 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:28:27pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

Bulllshiiit

298 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:28:29pm

Local news down there just reported that that according to a civilian policeman, the shooter recently had the word “allah” keyed into his car. He filed a hate crime report. Live feed: kxxv.com

299 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:28:40pm

Here is his public VA med board/licensure info:

vahealthprovider.com

300 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:28:50pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

KXXV is talking about how 30 woulded is a lot for two pistols.

KXXV just now is reporting the Major was distraught by a hate crime vandalism incident on his car.

And so it begins, poor fellow will be a leftist cause in less than a week if true.

301 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:29:16pm

Possible that the Shooter was from Jordan — but still speculation…Medical license from U.S.

302 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:29:26pm

re: #286 Sharmuta

Is there a feed?

myfoxdfw.com

303 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:29:28pm

re: #292 spacejesus

Thanks for taking the time and effort to write that. That discussion at this time is so inappropriate I can’t even take part in it.

304 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #291 really grumpy big dog johnson

Whoa, that just does not compute… :(

one hell of a shot to hit so many targets scrambling around trying to get away…30 rounds or so at best

305 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #292 spacejesus
Ok, I was wrong here. Of course the Nazi-invention of the Judenstern came from the European tradition.

I just wanted to make it clear that the yellow badge itself was an islamic idea.

306 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:29:39pm
307 EastSider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:29:43pm

re: #300 The Shadow Do

And so it begins, poor fellow will be a leftist cause in less than a week if true.

For some, he was a “rightist” (don’t want to insult rational people here) cause about 100 posts ago.

308 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:30:01pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

KXXV just now is reporting the Major was distraught by a hate crime vandalism incident on his car.


According to whose account?
Methinks a three man operation stems from something more than car vandalism.

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:30:08pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

But it does resemble what happened in Pakistan a few weeks ago and what happened in Mumbai last year. Gun attacks by multiple coordinated shooters.

My perception is that Big Tent Jihad has a lot of room for DIY and improvisation by small groups.

310 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:30:47pm

re: #301 J.S.
I thought from Virginia. Unlikely that a Jordanian would be a convert to Islam.

311 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:30:57pm

OK - so if the guy is pissed off about having “Allah” keyed into his car, why have accomplices?

Makes no sense.

I will wait on more info.

312 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:31:07pm

re: #308 bosforus

According to whose account?
Methinks a three man operation stems from something more than car vandalism.


Ignore that. News is coming too darned fast for me to even type!

313 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:31:10pm

Trying to infiltrate miiltary — a great concern. CNN (if from Jordan, then not a “convert.”)

314 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:31:19pm

re: #298 HelloDare

Local news down there just reported that that according to a civilian policeman, the shooter recently had the word “allah” keyed into his car. He filed a hate crime report. Live feed: [Link: www.kxxv.com…]

As my pops always says, that’s interesting but irrelevant.

315 Randy W. Weeks  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:31:28pm

Horrible beyond belief.

316 spirochete  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:31:34pm

I see his license was issued in 2005. Was that when he came to the US? I wonder if he was licensed in any other states.

317 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:31:49pm

re: #311 karmic_inquisitor

Red herring.

318 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:31:49pm

re: #271 TheMatrix31

Who gives a fuck about the nutosphere right now? Let’s stick to news.

The response to this is, and will be, a major concern of this board, and there is very little additional news just now anyway. If I hear anything else from my immediate family members who are at Fort Hood as we speak, I will be sure and post it.

319 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:32:10pm

new video from Dept of Defense. CNN

320 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:32:13pm

re: #308 bosforus

Just posting as it was spoken… I’m still with wait and see.

321 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:32:58pm

Wrong building was previously Identified…

322 EastSider  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:33:01pm

re: #306 D.C. Law

Fair enough. This fits the jihadi MO, though, and in case you hadn’t noticed, the FBI has recently broken up several major attacks, including a planned car bombing in Texas and a conspiracy to bomb a synagogue in New York. It is tremendously counter-productive to deny the facts.

The shooter(s) may be psychos. There will be huge political pressure to deny jihadism, for obvious reasons. But looking away or denying the truth won’t help anyone in the long run.

Agree to not ignoring facts, but you have to watch your logic flows.

“Many terrorists are Muslim” does not mean that “many (or all) Muslims are terrorists”

As for “looking away or denying the truth,” here’s to hoping that when the facts come out you practice what you preach. I for one am proud of the FBI for breaking up any terrorist ring, regardless of its motives, and also happy to say that I have multiple [non-terrorist!] Muslim friends.

323 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:33:03pm

#306
nobody is denying any facts…you’re hyperventilating, and too jacked up

324 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:33:22pm

School for Soldiers…in much smaller, confined space.

325 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:33:30pm
326 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:33:44pm

re: #245 D.C. Law

Much like the mainstream Christian churches “do nothing” to reel-in and control the End Times evangelicals? Is that sorta what you mean? They can’t, that kind of control does not exist in a religion split into multiple sects and with dozens of nationalities. The moderate Muslims have no more control or influence over the Jihadis than the Catholics have over any of the Protestant televangelists.

327 spirochete  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:33:47pm

Oh wait, reading further, he finished DO school in 2003, did his residency in Psychiatry and then a fellowship in Disaster psych.

328 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:33:53pm

re: #324 J.S.

The sheer number of wounded-Must have been crowded.

329 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

KXXV is talking about how 30 woulded is a lot for two pistols.

This is speculation: If where Hasan committed his shooting spree was crowded, and he used some of the more powerful pistols with full metal jacket ammo, each bullet could have easily wounded two or three people. Many pistols are sold that can hold 15 bullets or more and are quick and easy to reload.

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:34:16pm

re: #281 gegenkritik

No, D.C.Law is right:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

No, he’s not. If you note, that article describes the practice in both the Christian and Muslim world. Is there evidence that the Muslim, but not the Christian practice was the inspiration for the Nazi badge?

331 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:34:24pm

re: #273 Walter L. Newton
As I said before, while agreeing with him, I don’t like his insults either. But isn’t it a little bit hypocritical that you are complaining about them? I saw you more than once insulting other people here. Throw the first stone, you know.

332 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:34:33pm

The report of multiple shooters could also be fog of war confusion, so even though it’s in a base press release I’m still not certain that the “multiple” doesn’t reference return fire from the Police.

333 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:35:32pm

re: #325 BIG

So, all Muslims are killers in your mind?
Another one to Gaze.

334 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:35:54pm

re: #329 David IV of Georgia

This is speculation: If where Hasan committed his shooting spree was crowded, and he used some of the more powerful pistols with full metal jacket ammo, each bullet could have easily wounded two or three people. Many pistols are sold that can hold 15 bullets or more and are quick and easy to reload.


good point

335 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:35:59pm

It is reported that Major Hassan was a psychiatrist.
Would he have seen active duty? Just trying to make the stress connection.

336 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:36:06pm

re: #332 Thanos

The report of multiple shooters could also be fog of war confusion, so even though it’s in a base press release I’m still not certain that the “multiple” doesn’t reference return fire from the Police.

It doesn’t seem that we can rule out SJS for the moment.

337 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:36:12pm
338 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:36:32pm

It will take a few days to get the most relevant information released. Unfortunately, most minds will be made up by then. It is not wise to become too emotional or convinced of one side or the other until a plethora of information is made available. I recommend, as several have already done, to discuss this thing rationally and based on facts. And to make clear when you are simply stating a “possible scenario” as opposed to making an over-confident assumption that will likely be interpreted incorrectly.

339 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:36:36pm

re: #330 SanFranciscoZionist
As stated above, I made a mistake. Read the comments really fast and just wanted to prove that it was an islamic invention in the first place. Of course, the Nazis were inspired by European tradition.

340 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:36:41pm

re: #297 TheMatrix31

‘scuse me? Which or both?

341 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:36:52pm

re: #335 iceman1960

CNN stated that he (the shooter) was on active duty at the time of the incident.

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:37:26pm
343 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:37:31pm

re: #329 David IV of Georgia

This is speculation: If where Hasan committed his shooting spree was crowded, and he used some of the more powerful pistols with full metal jacket ammo, each bullet could have easily wounded two or three people. Many pistols are sold that can hold 15 bullets or more and are quick and easy to reload.

Yes, but there were 11 people killed and 30 wounded. It is not easy to make that many hits on that many people with just two pistols. Bear in mind that one is even more inaccurate with two pistols at once than with one (unlike what is portrayed in computer games).

344 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:37:48pm

re: #325 BIG

This is the reason the IDF doesn’t allow it’s Muslim citizens from joining. […]

Nonsense, you are either misinformed or lying.

345 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:12pm

re: #340 Rightwingconspirator

The “hate crime vandalism” nonsense.

346 arethusa  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:14pm

Here’s a link for Hutchinson’s statement that the major was upset about his deployment. In the same link, the AP has officials saying it isn’t yet clear what his religion was, and whether Hasan was his birth name or a conversion name change.

347 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:14pm

re: #290 wrenchwench

It does have that frothiness about it…

reminds me of the time he tried to pin African enslavement in America on Islam.

the guy is warped beyond all kinds of crazy.

348 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:24pm

re: #325 BIG

This is the reason the IDF doesn’t allow it’s Muslim citizens from joining. But the world calls them racists for not giving Muslims a easy way to kill soldiers when they are unarmed.

BIG -

The IDF Does, However, enlist the Druze. They are different enough from the “everyday Muslim” and have served with distinction in the IDF.

-S-

349 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:24pm

re: #344 Bagua

Nonsense, you are either misinformed or lying.

The IDF has Muslim soldiers. Just not a lot of them.

350 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:29pm

Correction: I won’t be posting any updates for a while. My mom called and asked me to have dinner with her. Under the circumstances, I really need to go. Stay cool, lizards, and many thanks for your thoughts and prayers.

351 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:37pm

re: #343 Dreader1962

Yes, but there were 11 people killed and 30 wounded. It is not easy to make that many hits on that many people with just two pistols. Bear in mind that one is even more inaccurate with two pistols at once than with one (unlike what is portrayed in computer games).

with a reload he could do it…but there would be witnesses if he had

352 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:51pm

re: #343 Dreader1962

There could easily be those wounded by the act of escape, glass shards etc. Chaotic rush…

353 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:52pm

re: #306 D.C. Law

Fair enough. This fits the jihadi MO, though, and in case you hadn’t noticed, the FBI has recently broken up several major attacks, including a planned car bombing in Texas and a conspiracy to bomb a synagogue in New York. It is tremendously counter-productive to deny the facts.

The shooter(s) may be psychos. There will be huge political pressure to deny jihadism, for obvious reasons. But looking away or denying the truth won’t help anyone in the long run.

Agreed. Just watch out for painting with too broad a brush.

354 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:38:57pm

re: #341 J.S.

CNN stated that he (the shooter) was on active duty at the time of the incident.

I need to rephrase that. I mean on the battlefield.

355 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:39:32pm

2 other suspects released.

statesman.com

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #325 BIG

This is the reason the IDF doesn’t allow it’s Muslim citizens from joining. But the world calls them racists for not giving Muslims a easy way to kill soldiers when they are unarmed.

Muslims serve in the IDF.

357 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:39:36pm

re: #335 iceman1960

It is reported that Major Hassan was a psychiatrist.
Would he have seen active duty? Just trying to make the stress connection.

Why? Would that reinforce your opinion of the military or some such?

358 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:39:55pm

According to MSNBC, can’t believe I’m watching it, the shooter’s specialty was PTSD. He was promoted to Major in May.

359 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:40:10pm

CNN — Shooter’s picture now released.

360 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:40:17pm

re: #325 BIG

The italicized statement on your profile:

There is no problem in the middle east that a few nukes couldn’t straighten out.

does not indicate a keen political thinker, IMHO.

361 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:40:33pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

2 other suspects released.

[Link: www.statesman.com…]

So we’re back to one shooter.

362 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:40:50pm

For the record:

Muslim and Christian Arab, and Beduin volunteers are accepted in the IDF,
Circassian and Druze men are drafted just like Israeli Jews.

Many of the volunteers serve with distinction, bravery and honour.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:40:52pm

re: #335 iceman1960

It is reported that Major Hassan was a psychiatrist.
Would he have seen active duty? Just trying to make the stress connection.

Probably saw everyone else’s active duty, secondhand. That could have broken him down over a period of time.

Seems weird that there would be other shooters in that case, though.

364 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:40:53pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

Whoa that’s big. If its a lone gunman we go back to postal, and away from many larger theories.

365 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:25pm

I do like the fact that cnn is now separating the gunman from the victims in their count.

366 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:31pm
367 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:31pm

re: #361 Sharmuta

So we’re back to one shooter.

And back to a distinct possibility of SJS.

BTW, I think the hate-crime vandalism thing is truly a red herring here.

368 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:32pm

re: #359 J.S.

CNN — Shooter’s picture now released.

It’s up on Drudge as well.

369 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:37pm

re: #361 Sharmuta

I hope that’s a safe source.

370 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:40pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

Great catch new guy!!! Well done.

371 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:44pm

re: #357 The Shadow Do

Why? Would that reinforce your opinion of the military or some such?

My father whom I loved was a Marine. That’s all I need to know about the military.

372 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:46pm
373 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:41:47pm

re: #360 wrenchwench

The italicized statement on your profile:

does not indicate a keen political thinker, IMHO.

I didn’t notice that! WTF, Big?! That’s advocating violence on a massive scale! WTF.

374 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:42:02pm

The Washington Post has also joined the PSTD wagon, with some random blathering about Fort Carlson, CO for some reason. Part of their live feed is:

In July, 2009, the Army released its findings (PDF). The Colorado Springs Gazette followed up with a special series on violence by soldiers stationed at the base that characterized the findings as: “Most Fort Carson soldiers who came home from war to commit murder had lives that were broken by combat stress, mental illness and drug and alcohol problems.”

The series can be read here:

• “Fort Carson report: Combat stress contributed to soldiers’ crimes back home”

• “Casualties of War, Part I: The hell of war comes home”

• “Casualties of War, Part II: Warning signs”

375 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:42:10pm

There is no way this guy wounds/kills nearly 45 people total by himself, if all he was armed with was two handguns.

376 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:42:23pm

re: #337 D.C. Law

And pray for the families you should.

We will find out what happened. Then we need to take the steps needed to ensure this does not happen again. That means a clear, honest, hard-headed analysis.

Again, agreed. Clear analysis means we need to not jump to conclusions either way. The probability is that this was a Jihadi attack. We need to figure out how this pack of scum came up with their plan for murder. Once we know that, then it will be time to take action.

377 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:42:31pm

re: #347 SpaceJesus

reminds me of the time he tried to pin African enslavement in America on Islam.

the guy is warped beyond all kinds of crazy.

He has simply decided that all human ills can be pinned on Islam. I know other people who do this with Christianity, or white people. It does require huge leaps of logic, but once people get the hang of it, it starts to seems natural to them.

378 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:42:39pm

re: #351 albusteve

with a reload he could do it…but there would be witnesses if he had

I’m not talking about the number of bullets, but the accuracy of shots. A 50% hit rate in that circumstance would be better than expected, and that would mean about 80 bullets. Also unknown if there are multiple hits on each target.

Of course, all of this is raw speculation, I admit. Time will tell. I was trying to remember when the last time I was on Fort Hood - I think it was about 3 years ago training soldiers on my company’s software. Never got to that post during my active duty years. I remember the processing center, though.

379 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #332 Thanos

There were apparently two separate areas of involvement though, fairly far apart… from the theater to a medical area.

380 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:42:54pm

Still do not know motive.

381 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:06pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

Good if true, I would not like to think there is some dangerous group doing this.

382 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:12pm
383 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:13pm

re: #372 dysolo

Wow. First post and a link to debka. Right.

384 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:22pm

re: #352 Rightwingconspirator

I was about to post something like that. From what I heard, the shooting took place in a crowded area, so trample injuries and flying debris could have injured others.

Thoughts and prayers to the fallen and injured.

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:38pm

re: #348 Dr. Shalit

BIG -

The IDF Does, However, enlist the Druze. They are different enough from the “everyday Muslim” and have served with distinction in the IDF.

-S-

The Druze (male only) are drafted, like Jews, Muslims sign up if they wish. That’s the key difference I’m aware of.

But the Druze made a formal alliance with the State of Israel very early on.

386 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:42pm

Wow, the shooter was a Hokie!
That’s too awful an irony.

387 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:51pm

re: #375 TheMatrix31

There is no way this guy wounds/kills nearly 45 people total by himself, if all he was armed with was two handguns.

I don’t think so…something is very fishy…3 or 4 concealed guns?

388 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:52pm

re: #362 Bagua

I remember some leftist group went after an Israeli soldier for shooting a British cameraman during a firefight. Turns out the IDF soldier was Bedouin…so the leftist groups immediately shifted gears and claimed that the IDF Bedouin was a patsy and tried going after his officers.

389 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:43:54pm

re: #375 TheMatrix31

Patience. We’ll see.

390 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:44:02pm
391 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:44:14pm

re: #380 J.S.

Still do not know motive.

Hard drives, texts, emails, phone logs. Might take a day or two to get that info.
Done for the day, be safe, Lizards!

392 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:44:28pm

Still no all clear at Ft Hood?
This is a very long time frame.

393 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:44:32pm
394 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:44:49pm

re: #343 Dreader1962

Yes, but there were 11 people killed and 30 wounded. It is not easy to make that many hits on that many people with just two pistols. Bear in mind that one is even more inaccurate with two pistols at once than with one (unlike what is portrayed in computer games).

I don’t know most of the details of what took place—I was speculating that if he opened up on a crowd one man with two pistols could easily get such a heinous number of victims. If he were aiming each shot, two pistols would be a detriment, as you said.

395 daddycrack  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:44:55pm

While I do think that it is significant that this man was a major. I think it is more telling that his name points to either growing up or converting to islam. Am I wrong?

396 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:44:59pm

re: #377 SanFranciscoZionist

He has simply decided that all human ills can be pinned on Islam. I know other people who do this with Christianity, or white people. It does require huge leaps of logic, but once people get the hang of it, it starts to seems natural to them.

he also likes to post videos of muslims being massacred in the balkans.

who needs facts or logic when you are a batshit crazy bigot?

397 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:45:01pm

Thanks RWC - found this twitterfeed

twitter.com

398 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:45:03pm

re: #372 dysolo

The attack was planned and executed by Muslim converts which is a disaster if US continues to regard it as a “deranged” or “angry” act. Check [Link: www.debka.com…] on this matter.

Debka is not a reliable source.

399 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:45:25pm

re: #364 Rightwingconspirator

Whoa that’s big. If its a lone gunman we go back to postal, and away from many larger theories.


I’d almost hope that’s the case- if there were multiple gunmen, that would mean they’d still be at large, wouldn’t it?

400 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:45:33pm

I think Stinky’s going to need a pot of coffee tonight.

401 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:45:35pm

re: #378 Dreader1962

I’m not talking about the number of bullets, but the accuracy of shots. A 50% hit rate in that circumstance would be better than expected, and that would mean about 80 bullets. Also unknown if there are multiple hits on each target.

Of course, all of this is raw speculation, I admit. Time will tell. I was trying to remember when the last time I was on Fort Hood - I think it was about 3 years ago training soldiers on my company’s software. Never got to that post during my active duty years. I remember the processing center, though.

spray and pray in a crowd could do it I think…fast, semi effective aiming but not with two guns

402 rike101  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:45:42pm

Wake up, folks.

403 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:46:11pm
404 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:46:13pm

re: #402 rike101

Wake up, folks.


to what exactly

405 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:46:30pm

re: #402 rike101

Wake up, folks.

Wish I could stick around for this one…

406 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:46:36pm

Some of the comments I’m seeing are almost fitting for the stalker site.

407 Right Brain  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:47:16pm

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, you don’t believe in religion or psychiatry. Got it. Big whoop.

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, you don’t believe in religion or psychiatry. Got it. Big whoop.

This is way over your head.

408 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:47:54pm

re: #402 rike101

Wake up, folks.

When people tell me to wake up it usually means that they subscribe to some twisted worldview consisting of white hats and black hats and/or ronpaulian economics.

409 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:47:56pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea
But they are still searching for another.
Wish this would sort itself out…

410 WarBicycle  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:48:11pm

Image: ht_hasan_hood_091105_main.jpg

Here’s a link to a photo of the Jerk.

411 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:48:29pm

re: #395 daddycrack

While I do think that it is significant that this man was a major. I think it is more telling that his name points to either growing up or converting to islam. Am I wrong?

I think his rank and station are pretty irrelevent. It’s the motivation and from whence derived is what is interesting.

412 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:48:30pm

re: #402 rike101

Wake up, folks.

Go back to sleep, sleeper.

23 rike1012/18/2009 9:32:30 am PST

the America I grew up in is gone.

413 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:48:38pm

Many hours are left in the 24 hour rule.

414 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:49:21pm

re: #388 Fenway_Nation

I remember some leftist group went after an Israeli soldier for shooting a British cameraman during a firefight. Turns out the IDF soldier was Bedouin…so the leftist groups immediately shifted gears and claimed that the IDF Bedouin was a patsy and tried going after his officers.

The Bedouin are excellent trackers. They’ve got a very prestigious record in the IDF.

415 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:49:25pm
416 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:49:38pm

re: #402 rike101

That’s a line oft used by Stormfronters and ilk.

417 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:49:43pm

re: #349 LudwigVanQuixote

The IDF has Muslim soldiers. Just not a lot of them.

I’m interested in the truth in this conversation. Israel has conscription. Everyone serves at some time. Why would not all Israeli Muslim be in the same boat then?

418 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:49:49pm

More info on background of Shooter — pulling files and seeing what they know about him — concern for law enforcement personnel as well — Fort Hood has paid particular attention to the mental health of people being deployed and returning…yet, why he’d do this is still a mystery. Key question how a medical professional came to have a fire arm…no need for firearm at Ft. Hood…major issue.

419 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:49:54pm

re: #402 rike101

re: #395 daddycrack

Facepalm. So many Gazes, so few eyes.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:50:04pm

re: #390 BIG

It is only the Druze that are allowed to serve. Not the Palestinian variety.

Palestinians are not Israeli Citizens. Muslim Israelis may serve.

421 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:50:12pm

re: #347 SpaceJesus

reminds me of the time he tried to pin African enslavement in America on Islam.

the guy is warped beyond all kinds of crazy.

Yeah, but I doubt DC Law is Rodan. If he were, Charles would have caught him by now.

422 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:50:29pm

re: #366 D.C. Law
Not really a good comparison. For example, most Muslims are victims of the atrociousness of Islam themselves. Not terrorism, but dreadful things like headscarf, misogyny, “virgin-cult”, homophobia and so on.

423 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:51:18pm

re: #418 J.S.

More info on background of Shooter — pulling files and seeing what they know about him — concern for law enforcement personnel as well — Fort Hood has paid particular attention to the mental health of people being deployed and returning…yet, why he’d do this is still a mystery. Key question how a medical professional came to have a fire arm…no need for firearm at Ft. Hood…major issue.

he walked up and bought one just like anyone else…lots of doctors must be shooters, why not?

424 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:51:20pm
425 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:51:24pm

Here’s a line lizards need to keep in mind tonight:

Quote not the troll lest it stick to your face.

426 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:51:27pm

two detained suspects have been released.

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:51:31pm

re: #406 Gus 802

Some of the comments I’m seeing are almost fitting for the stalker site.

Nah, no one has bashed Charles yet.

428 Right Brain  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:51:34pm

re: #415 Sharmuta

I don’t know- how can a person be both a woman and an engineer?

Non sequitor. Dummy.

429 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:51:50pm

re: #407 Right Brain

This is way over your head.

Gaze and giggle.

430 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:52:04pm
431 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:52:22pm

re: #390 BIG

It is only the Druze that are allowed to serve. Not the Palestinian variety.

You are incorrect. In addition to the Bedouin there are Muslim and Christian volunteers that volunteer and serve. They are not drafted but neither are they “not allowed to serve”.

432 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:52:23pm

re: #32 Bagua

Apparently none of the victims were armed.

Of course not…they were at the deployment center. Imagine a school registration center or something similar. Guys lined up at various tables carrying forms that had to be checked off before they could deploy. My husband has done it many times, and it always takes hours, and every time I ask him why the hell it isn’t all automated or available for online completion.

But it’s the military, and they do a lot of things the old fashioned way.

A lot of folks think everybody is armed on military bases, and it’s not true. It’s just like any other office environment, except for more run down and most folks are in uniform.

433 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:52:30pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah, no one has bashed Charles yet.

True. Although, they do wait for the thread to go dead before doing that.

434 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:52:32pm

My uncle was a psyre: #418 J.S.

Key question how a medical professional came to have a fire arm…no need for firearm at Ft. Hood…major issue.

He went to a gun show and bought one?
Maybe walked into a gun store, did the wait time and bought them?

435 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:52:49pm

re: #417 Naso Tang

I’m interested in the truth in this conversation. Israel has conscription. Everyone serves at some time. Why would not all Israeli Muslim be in the same boat then?

My understanding, is that Arab Muslims get an exemption from military service if they so choose.

Someone else could correct me on that if I am wrong.

I do know that even for Jews, there are a number of exemptions possible. There are also other public service choices that one could take other than serving in the military.

436 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:53:00pm

re: #419 Varek Raith

re: #395 daddycrack

Facepalm. So many Gazes, so few eyes.

I thought Vorlon encounter suits had only one eye.

437 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:53:17pm

re: #428 Right Brain

You’re the one who can’t reconcile how a person could be a muslim and a psychiatrist, so maybe it’s you.

438 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:53:26pm

re: #400 Sharmuta

I think Stinky’s going to need a pot of coffee tonight.

Sharmuta -

Coffee for Stinky, Beer for me, Water for Melech the Wonder Shepherd. That is all.

-S-

439 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:53:32pm

re: #426 Pepper Fox

two detained suspects have been released.

Looking more and more like they got some friendly fire mixed up with the shooter’s fire if they were released.

440 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:03pm
441 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:07pm

re: #432 funky chicken

Of course not…they were at the deployment center. Imagine a school registration center or something similar. Guys lined up at various tables carrying forms that had to be checked off

More like the DMV most of the time.

442 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:10pm

I’ve been to Fort Hood. It’s not secure at all. I’m just a regular civilian and went to see the museums, all I did was flash my drivers license at the guard (civilian contractor, unarmed) and drove right on in.

443 AuralityKev  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:32pm

I lurk a lot. I don’t say much at all. I think there may be a lot of other lizards like me. But this…

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone at Ft. Hood and their families.

I’ve been reading the posts, and reports, and I’ll admit that I’ve been jumping to conclusions I shouldn’t either. Many of them were echoed further up this thread. It’s embarrassing, and I’m embarrassed at my thought processes.

Maybe it’s fear? I have to ascribe a certain motive to the shootings to avoid being paralyzed again with the same shellshock as I was with 9-11? Knowable, despicable?

The rational part of me is screaming at me to wait for the rest of the story. There’s no good outcome from this event. There’s no motive that would be “less bad.” Nothing would make this tragedy any more bearable if these brave men and women serving our country were slain because of a mental defect instead of a religious cause.

This is horrible. It’s just horrible. I don’t want there to be a backlash that makes this even worse.

444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:32pm

re: #425 Thanos

Good advice which I often have a hard time following, cheers :)

445 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:38pm

re: #428 Right Brain

Non sequitor. Dummy.

I can’t believe you said that…

446 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:39pm

re: #393 D.C. Law

Are you serious? Jihadism and Christianity are the same thing? You can’t mean this.

Try again.

No. You know exactly what I said unless you are a moron or have reading comprehension issues. That is all I have to say on the subject.

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:48pm

re: #417 Naso Tang

I’m interested in the truth in this conversation. Israel has conscription. Everyone serves at some time. Why would not all Israeli Muslim be in the same boat then?

Israelis feel free to correct me, but my understanding is this: Jewish Israelis are required to serve, although there are some outs for the religious, etc. Druze men are also required to serve. Arab Israelis are permitted to serve but are not drafted.

448 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:54pm

Looks like a couple long lost individuals stumbled into the room.

449 philosophus invidius  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:55:06pm

re: #395 daddycrack

Maybe. But probably more likely that he went nuts.

450 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:55:35pm

re: #434 webevintage

For some reason B. Starr of CNN is maintaining that this will become a major issue…(they’re not supposed to own weapons? I don’t know how this works…have to find out more…but apparently, if you’re with a military medical health unit, you don’t (can’t?) own a weapon…(?) )

451 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #443 AuralityKev

I lurk a lot. I don’t say much at all. I think there may be a lot of other lizards like me. But this…

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone at Ft. Hood and their families.

I’ve been reading the posts, and reports, and I’ll admit that I’ve been jumping to conclusions I shouldn’t either. Many of them were echoed further up this thread. It’s embarrassing, and I’m embarrassed at my thought processes.

Maybe it’s fear? I have to ascribe a certain motive to the shootings to avoid being paralyzed again with the same shellshock as I was with 9-11? Knowable, despicable?

The rational part of me is screaming at me to wait for the rest of the story. There’s no good outcome from this event. There’s no motive that would be “less bad.” Nothing would make this tragedy any more bearable if these brave men and women serving our country were slain because of a mental defect instead of a religious cause.

This is horrible. It’s just horrible. I don’t want there to be a backlash that makes this even worse.

Great post!

452 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:55:48pm

re: #448 rwmofo

Looks like a couple long lost individuals stumbled into the room.

Problem is,, nobody has been looking for them NOR wanted to find them

453 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:55:52pm

re: #395 daddycrack

While I do think that it is significant that this man was a major. I think it is more telling that his name points to either growing up or converting to islam. Am I wrong?

Doctors go in as Captains, and making major in a critically undermanned field would have been almost automatic.

It would be a perfect placement for a sleeper, or for a lone nut with a grudge. It would have been easy for him to fly under the radar.

The guys who crashed the SUV into the Glasgow airport were all physicians too, so education apparently isn’t the perfect antidote to jihadism.

454 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:55:54pm

re: #448 rwmofo

Looks like a couple long lost individuals stumbled into the room.

On second thought, maybe more than a couple…

455 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:56:14pm

re: #418 J.S.

[…] Key question how a medical professional came to have a fire arm…no need for firearm at Ft. Hood…major issue.


Key observation, if the victims had been armed they could have defended themselves. It appears they were unarmed and slaughtered in mass.

It is clear there is a need for firearms at Ft. Hood.

456 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:56:15pm

re: #153 Dr. Shalit

Everyone -

A Major Malik Nidal Hasan appears to be “the Shooter” - Res Ipsa Loquitor.
Reminds me of the event just before Iraqi Freedom of the Sgt. who rolled a grenade into a tent in Kuwait.
Fox has just confirmed the name, finally!

-S-

Which was of interest to me as a Tennessean (and, at the time, a student at Austin Peay State University in Clarksville), since that incident involved the 101st Airborne.

457 sagehen  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:56:26pm

re: #366 D.C. Law

Of course not all Muslims are terrorists. But nearly all terrorists are Muslim. That is a fact.

The Tamil Tigers did decades of terrorism in Sri Lanka; not Muslim. They’re credited with inventing the suicide bombing belt.

In the 1970s, there was a rash of hijackings of US planes by Puerto Rican separatists. Not Muslim.

Timothy McVeigh. Terry Nichols. Eric Rudolph. Scott Roeder. Not Muslim.

The KKK, America’s oldest and most prolific terrorist organization, responsible for close to a hundred years of bombings, arsons, shootings, and hangings. Not Muslim.

458 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:56:58pm

re: #440 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

What would we do without you? :)

459 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:57:31pm

re: #452 sattv4u2

Problem is,, nobody has been looking for them NOR wanted to find them

Yeah, the BS Detector seemed a little sensitive…at first.

460 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:58:00pm
461 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:58:05pm

I’m gonna go back to lurking and working on animations. I think we need to call the Orkin man!

462 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:58:17pm

DC Law, I suspect you’d be more comfortable over at JW and Atlas Shrieks with the rest of the religious bigots.

463 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:58:29pm

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

I thought Vorlon encounter suits had only one eye.

Hence my conundrum. Though, I may be able to focus the total of the Vorlon consciousness on a massive, Universe shocking GAZE. :)

464 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:58:29pm

re: #410 WarBicycle

Okay, I am just saying… For any fans of 24, Day four, Marwan Habib? Life imitating art?
Image: interviews_arnold_large.jpg

465 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:58:42pm

re: #435 LudwigVanQuixote

My understanding, is that Arab Muslims get an exemption from military service if they so choose.

Someone else could correct me on that if I am wrong.

I do know that even for Jews, there are a number of exemptions possible. There are also other public service choices that one could take other than serving in the military.

With exception of the Druze who are conscripted and the Muslim Bedouin who have long been volunteers. There are also Muslim and Christian Arabs who volunteer.

466 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:58:53pm

re: #442 Pepper Fox


Fort Benning and Fort Stewart are set up the same way- pretty much anybody can drive onto base from one of the state highways that run through it. No gates- no sentries…

467 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:59:19pm

re: #245 D.C. Law

I’ve been on this board since 9/11.

What other socks have you used when you’re not posting at Jihad Watch or Atlas Shrugs?

468 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:00:13pm

re: #467 Alouette
(You don’t really think you’ll get an answer to that, do you)?

469 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:00:29pm

re: #438 Dr. Shalit

Prescribe me a shot of medicinal tequila please? A toast to our wounded.

470 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:00:52pm

re: #457 sagehen

You forgot the irish contestants (the IRA, the Real IRA, the whatever-they-were-called-something-Ulster), Rote Arme Fraktione, Baader-Meinhof, various italian and greek groups, ETA, Sendero Luminoso and so on and so forth and so on and so forth.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:00:57pm

re: #465 Bagua

With exception of the Druze who are conscripted and the Muslim Bedouin who have long been volunteers. There are also Muslim and Christian Arabs who volunteer.

It’s a culturally complicated society. Although, as one Palestinian-American comedian did once accurately point out, “Not only do we all look like each other, we look like Mexicans.”

472 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:01:02pm

re: #428 Right Brain

Wow. 12 down-dings so far on that comment. Joey Buttafuoco was just overheard saying “At least I’m more popular than that guy.”

473 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:01:36pm
474 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:01:47pm

re: #462 Thanos

DC Law, I suspect you’d be more comfortable over at JW and Atlas Shrieks with the rest of the religious bigots.

no doubt he is already there, thriving and bloating himself

475 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #468 tradewind

(You don’t really think you’ll get an answer to that, do you)?

I nailed this way up thread. He may have some points, we all know the dangers of radical Islam, but most of us also know the difference between bigot and rational and well informed concern.

He doesn’t.

476 Cygnus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:02:10pm

re: #162 arethusa

CBS News says Hasan was a psychiatrist from Maryland.

Physician, heal thyself.

477 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:02:15pm

re: #450 J.S.

For some reason B. Starr of CNN is maintaining that this will become a major issue…(they’re not supposed to own weapons? I don’t know how this works…have to find out more…but apparently, if you’re with a military medical health unit, you don’t (can’t?) own a weapon…(?) )

What I heard her say was that a physician, due to the nature of his job, would have no need of a weapon on base.

478 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:02:21pm

re: #176 D.C. Law

I cordially invite you to piss off…

/jackass

479 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:02:29pm

re: #456 talon_262
That was the first thought I had. He was a convert as well. Then his momma hired outside lawyers to advise the jags who played the ptsd card… how did that work for him?

480 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:02:46pm

re: #443 AuralityKev

Quite Concur. Many people will have hate-filled thoughts following an event like this. I know I do. The key is to keep those thoughts as thoughts. Don’t make things worse by being inflammatory.

481 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:03:02pm

re: #435 LudwigVanQuixote

(What started this was some poster who suggested that Muslims in Israel were prohibited from military service — that’s a canard, yet it’s frequently repeated. As most people know, it’s not that Muslims (Israeli Arabs) are prohibited from military service, it’s that they choose not to enter the IDF…)

482 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:03:12pm
483 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:03:16pm

re: #450 J.S.

For some reason B. Starr of CNN is maintaining that this will become a major issue…(they’re not supposed to own weapons? I don’t know how this works…have to find out more…but apparently, if you’re with a military medical health unit, you don’t (can’t?) own a weapon…(?) )

Hmmm. I’m sure they aren’t allowed to carry private firearms on base, but that’s true for all military bases and personnel, or was in the years where we considered living on base. I remember my husband’s saying we’d have to register weapons and perhaps even store them somewhere approved by the base security guys? This was way back during the WJC administration, so I could be halucinating about the latter.

But I know 100% that guys aren’t allowed to carry personal firearms to the office on military bases, and that doctors aren’t provided sidearms to carry stateside.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, most people are armed, so this guy wouldn’t have been able to kill so many. He would have gotten a few because of the surprise effect, but he would have gone down quicker and from lots of different angles.

That’s probably why he did it here, and at a deployment “fair.”

easy targets

484 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:03:20pm

re: #434 webevintage

My uncle was a psy

He went to a gun show and bought one?
Maybe walked into a gun store, did the wait time and bought them?

I live in TX. Wait time to buy a handgun if your record is clean = zero.

485 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:03:31pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a culturally complicated society. Although, as one Palestinian-American comedian did once accurately point out, “Not only do we all look like each other, we look like Mexicans.”

somewhat disquieting with our 1200 mi open border

486 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:03:45pm

re: #473 Gus 802

I’m serious… see Habib Marwan in #464 upthread…///
It’s uncanny.

487 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:04:14pm

re: #482 mikeysdca
Psychiatrists do have the highest suicide rate among physicians.

488 Right Brain  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:04:40pm

Okay let me get this straight: someone goes to four years of medical school and then does a residency studying psychotics and neurotics for three years and the writings of everyone from Freud to Piaget, and then pretends that the angel Gabriel perched on Mohammed’s shoulder for twenty-three years and dictated the Koran into his ear sixteen centuries ago, HOWEVER this nonsense somehow pertains to today’s world and the psychiatry that he has learned.

Is there anyone here this silly? Beside a “Muslim psychiatrist” of course.

489 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:05:08pm

re: #484 rwmofo

It depends on the stores policy. I worked at Academy and they had the 3 day wait. But I’ve heard most stores will throw that out if you are pretty clean.

490 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:05:19pm

re: #486 tradewind

I’m serious… see Habib Marwan in #464 upthread…///
It’s uncanny.

I think Nidal looks a lot, how do I say it, wider.

491 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:05:26pm

re: #463 Varek Raith

Hence my conundrum. Though, I may be able to focus the total of the Vorlon consciousness on a massive, Universe shocking GAZE. :)

Don’t do that! The last time you guys decided to try that you built a ship that blew up whole planets! ;)

492 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:05:53pm

re: #417 Naso Tang

I’m interested in the truth in this conversation. Israel has conscription. Everyone serves at some time. Why would not all Israeli Muslim be in the same boat then?

Not everyone serves. Certain special groups get deferments and exemptions.

493 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:06:44pm

re: #491 Dark_Falcon

Don’t do that! The last time you guys decided to try that you built a ship that blew up whole planets! ;)

Oh, yeah. We do tend to be a tad self-righteous, don’t we? :)

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:06:44pm

re: #488 Right Brain

Okay let me get this straight: someone goes to four years of medical school and then does a residency studying psychotics and neurotics for three years and the writings of everyone from Freud to Piaget, and then pretends that the angel Gabriel perched on Mohammed’s shoulder for twenty-three years and dictated the Koran into his ear sixteen centuries ago, HOWEVER this nonsense somehow pertains to today’s world and the psychiatry that he has learned.

Is there anyone here this silly? Beside a “Muslim psychiatrist” of course.

Now do my Uncle Larry! He’s a Jewish psychiatrist!

/over my head, right, got it

495 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:07:11pm

re: #490 Gus 802
Still. I guess you had to see the show. When I saw his picture, I freaked almost as much as when I read that he was a Hokie. Too weird.

496 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:07:13pm
497 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:07:21pm

re: #486 tradewind

I don’t think he looks like Marwan at all.

498 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:07:22pm

re: #488 Right Brain

Keep diggin’!

499 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:07:31pm

re: #483 funky chicken

absolutely true: no guns means only the criminals are armed, and the law abiding citizens, or Soldiers, are victims.

screw gun control.

500 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:07:40pm

re: #488 Right Brain

It’s no different than any other scientist who also belongs to a particular religious faith. You do nothing but display your bigotry with this line of “reasoning”.

501 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:07:46pm

re: #478 talon_262

I cordially invite you to piss off…

/jackass

He gets that a lot!

502 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:01pm

re: #488 Right Brain

Okay let me get this straight: someone goes to four years of medical school and then does a residency studying psychotics and neurotics for three years and the writings of everyone from Freud to Piaget, and then pretends that the angel Gabriel perched on Mohammed’s shoulder for twenty-three years and dictated the Koran into his ear sixteen centuries ago, HOWEVER this nonsense somehow pertains to today’s world and the psychiatry that he has learned.

Is there anyone here this silly? Beside a “Muslim psychiatrist” of course.

me, I believe just about anything can happen…it’s not as far fetched as you make it out to be…certainly not often likely but plausible nontheless

503 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:05pm

The suspected shooter is being shown as Nidal Hasan, this is his picture the local news has put up.

Image: hasan.png

504 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:06pm

re: #455 Bagua

You forgot your sarc tag…careful or people will get into the guns/no guns argument all night long. ;)

505 sagehen  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:11pm

re: #470 enoughalready

You forgot the irish contestants (the IRA, the Real IRA, the whatever-they-were-called-something-Ulster), Rote Arme Fraktione, Baader-Meinhof, various italian and greek groups, ETA, Sendero Luminoso and so on and so forth and so on and so forth.

[slaps forehead] How amnesiac of me, to forget two whole continents like that.

506 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:36pm

re: #497 TheMatrix31

I don’t think he looks like Marwan at all.

He looks more like this guy.

507 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:38pm

re: #488 Right Brain

Do me a favor. Save your atheist and bigoted crap for people who want to hear it. Nobody here wants to.

508 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:56pm

re: #488 Right Brain

Okay let me get this straight: someone goes to four years of medical school and then does a residency studying psychotics and neurotics for three years and the writings of everyone from Freud to Piaget, and then pretends that the angel Gabriel perched on Mohammed’s shoulder for twenty-three years and dictated the Koran into his ear sixteen centuries ago, HOWEVER this nonsense somehow pertains to today’s world and the psychiatry that he has learned.

Is there anyone here this silly? Beside a “Muslim psychiatrist” of course.

Yes… you… considering your analysis.

509 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:08:59pm

re: #485 albusteve

“Not only do we all look like each other, we look like Mexicans

.” Not so much.
Only in the broadest of terms, but I can see a comedian latching on to that.

510 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:09:01pm

re: #488 Right Brain

yep, the Psychiatrist needs a Psychiatrist

511 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:09:24pm

They reported on CNN that the two suspects have been released, but they are still holding a ‘person of interest’.

Anytime I hear that, I feel shorted - does this mean that since I’m not being detained that I’m not an interesting person?

512 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:09:34pm

re: #492 Alouette

I watched a short documentary (Israeli) film — an Israeli went around the entire country carrying an Israeli flag and asked people what they thought of it…whole variety of responses. (The Druze came out as extreme patriots. Other Israelis, less so…lol…the Israeli Arabs were polite, but chose to “opt out” — just as they do with respect to voting, they don’t/won’t vote.)

513 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:09:35pm

re: #481 J.S.

(What started this was some poster who suggested that Muslims in Israel were prohibited from military service — that’s a canard, yet it’s frequently repeated. As most people know, it’s not that Muslims (Israeli Arabs) are prohibited from military service, it’s that they choose not to enter the IDF…)

I think that is what I said. I know for a fact that Druze are drafted like everyone else. I know for a fact that there are Israeli Arab Muslims who serve in the IDF.

514 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:09:46pm

OT:

Mahmoud Abbas will not run for re-election as President of the good terrorists.

515 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:09:54pm

re: #489 Pepper Fox

It depends on the stores policy. I worked at Academy and they had the 3 day wait. But I’ve heard most stores will throw that out if you are pretty clean.

Makes sense that some stores have a waiting period. I bought a .380 a couple years ago on a Saturday (not at an Academy). Thought I’d have to come back. They did the background check in real-time, rang me up and sent me on my way.

516 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:08pm

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

Do me a favor. Save your atheist and bigoted crap for people who want to hear it. Nobody here wants to.

As an atheist, I take exception at that. He’s just a bigot. Nothing more.

517 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:12pm

re: #499 redc1c4

absolutely true: no guns means only the criminals are armed, and the law abiding citizens, or Soldiers, are victims.

screw gun control.

Quite Concur.

518 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:19pm

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

Do me a favor. Save your atheist and bigoted crap for people who want to hear it. Nobody here wants to.

I’m an atheist and think right (wrong) brain’s comments are stupid. ;)

519 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:28pm

re: #509 tradewind

.” Not so much.
Only in the broadest of terms, but I can see a comedian latching on to that.

Yeah, it doesn’t work perfectly, although there is a certain amount of overlap. Jews and Arabs don’t look Indio, but for some reason, many white people of Spanish descent look a little bit like us.

//odd, that

520 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:40pm

cstsonline.org here is the dead suspect’s profile on the CSTS site. He is currently id’d as the shooter.

521 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:46pm

re: #50 D.C. Law

re: #510 Werewolf_in_Florida

re: #488 Right Brain

Did we have an open registration for bigots today?

522 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:55pm

re: #457 sagehen
But the first suicide-bombings were committed by Hizb-Allah.

And by the way: the ideology behind the Tamil-Tigers suicide-attacks, this crisis-dynamics, is leading to what Hassan al-Banna called the “industry of death”. Islam as a religion simply offers the best “requirements” for something that is not strictly bound to a certain religion.

523 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:10:59pm

re: #513 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes. I was backing you up…(in a round about way)…

524 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:11:19pm

re: #488 Right Brain

So just to get your specific flavor of intolerant down, would that reasoning also apply to say Christians and Jews in your view, or does it just apply to Muslims?

I’m trying to get if you are a virulent atheist, or just and anti-Islamic.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:11:38pm

re: #512 J.S.

I watched a short documentary (Israeli) film — an Israeli went around the entire country carrying an Israeli flag and asked people what they thought of it…whole variety of responses. (The Druze came out as extreme patriots. Other Israelis, less so…lol…the Israeli Arabs were polite, but chose to “opt out” — just as they do with respect to voting, they don’t/won’t vote.)

Interesting.

526 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:11:53pm

bad news is the unit is the one my good friend’s husband belongs to, 20th Engineers, who are slated for the ‘stan in a month or so, last time we discussed it.

good news is, he’s ok, and so is she (she’s AGR TXNG).

prayers,etc, for the Soldiers and familys of the 20th wouold be appreciated.

urgent call for blood donors at the local hospitals, if you live near there.

527 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:11:53pm

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

re: #510 Werewolf_in_Florida

re: #488 Right Brain

Did we have an open registration for bigots today?

Either that or it’s Internet Privilege Night at the group home.

528 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:12:07pm

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

Do me a favor. Save your atheist and bigoted crap for people who want to hear it. Nobody here wants to.

I’m an atheist, and I never spout that kind of stuff and I am very respectable to people faiths.

529 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:12:17pm

Shepard Smith has a guest named Col. Terry Lee (Ret) on who served with this scumbag. From what Lee is saying, it looks like Hasan was a Islamist. I’d say Sudden Jihad Syndrome is now a probability.

530 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:12:50pm

A former Colonel who worked with Hasan is saying on Fox now that he said Muslims should rise up against U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan numerous times and his views were well known to his colleagues.

531 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:12:59pm

re: #527 WindUpBird

Either that or it’s Internet Privilege Night at the group home.

Oops, I up dinged you, stop saying things I agree with :)

532 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:13:02pm

re: #515 rwmofo

Makes sense that some stores have a waiting period. I bought a .380 a couple years ago on a Saturday (not at an Academy). Thought I’d have to come back. They did the background check in real-time, rang me up and sent me on my way.

In Georgia, I checked out in less than a minute on their system and bought a S&W XD(M) .40 caliber and a Ruger SR-556.

(They are very nice, by the way. The SR-556 is very much like an M-4, which is familiar to me.)

533 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:13:06pm

re: #513 LudwigVanQuixote

I think that is what I said. I know for a fact that Druze are drafted like everyone else. I know for a fact that there are Israeli Arab Muslims who serve in the IDF.

And you are correct. Non-Bedouin Muslim Arab volunteers are small in number, but they certainly exist and are not prohibited.

534 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:13:06pm

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

(He had to actually flee from one area…lol..I’ll let you guess which one that’d be..)

535 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:13:25pm

Per this site, he was not a convert.

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Austin, who has been briefed on the shootings, said Hasan was a physician who was born in Virginia to parents who hailed from Jordan.

statesman.com

536 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:13:27pm

Just switched off CNN. They’re filling airtime with guest expert blather until a schedule news conference convenes. Those who know aren’t talking at the moment, and those who are talking don’t know.

537 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:13:34pm

re: #522 gegenkritik

No no no no no. Look up russian anarchists. Please stop now.

538 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:13:38pm

re: #528 Walter L. Newton

I’m an atheist, and I never spout that kind of stuff and I am very respectable to people faiths.

us heathens deserve more respect

539 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:14:09pm

re: #526 redc1c4
Even if you don’t live right there, you may want to donate, because your local bank may be shipping out supplies of blood and need to replenish your local supplies.
I’m O/neg, so I am going to donate tomorrow.

540 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:14:34pm

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

I’m a bigot because a Doctor believes in “invisible” people ?

How about open Registration for Reality ?

541 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:14:57pm

“Hasan”?

Why am I not surprised at the name?

542 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:02pm

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

Shepard Smith has a guest named Col. Terry Lee (Ret) on who served with this scumbag. From what Lee is saying, it looks like Hasan was a Islamist. I’d say Sudden Jihad Syndrome is now a probability ONE OF MANY POSSIBILITIES.

WAY too early to say

We know nothing of whats happening at home (divorce?? financial problems???) at ‘work” ( as a psych, he may have had it up to his ears with horror stories from returning vets)) Hell, for all we know, he may just have gotten sick and tired of being sick and tired

543 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:17pm

re: #535 Stanley Sea

Per this site, he was not a convert.

I thought it sounded like a weird name for a convert.

544 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:18pm

Shooting suspect became more and more “agitated” about U.S. involvement in Iraq.

545 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:26pm

I don’t get how this fucker became a United States Army Major.

546 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:44pm

Wall Street Journal reports -


Military officials said that Maj. Hasan was a psychiatrist who had been recently promoted to major and transferred to Fort Hood from Washington’s Walter Reed Medical Center. Maj. Hasan’s professional specialties included post-traumatic stress disorder, combat stress and other emotional issues common to the troops implicated in earlier incidents of military fratricide.

A defense official said that there “were some signs that this might be an Akbar-type event,” a reference to a bloody incident in early 2003 when Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar threw grenades into tents occupied by fellow members of the 101st Airborne Division.

Two officers were killed in the 2003 attack in Kuwait, which wounded 14 others. Military prosecutors said that Sgt. Akbar, who was ultimately sentenced to death, was motivated by anger at the deaths of Iraqi civilians at the hands of U.S. troops.

Other shooting incidents have been linked to combat stress and and emotional problems many soldiers are suffering after long, repeat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. With the military stretched thin by the long wars, many troops have done three and in some cases four tours to the war zones.

So this guy is an expert on PTSD. The article implies that PTSD is common among those who have seen repeated tours. Yet there is no mention of whether Hasan has been deployed there before. Was this his first deployment? Are we looking at Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder?

547 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:45pm

re: #516 Dreader1962

As an atheist, I take exception at that. He’s just a bigot. Nothing more.

re: #528 Walter L. Newton

I’m an atheist, and I never spout that kind of stuff and I am very respectable to people faiths.

Sorry if I was overbroad. You two are respectful to those who disagree with you on religion. Right Brain is not. His denigration of faith and seeming denial that one could be a man of science and a man of faith at the same time were the targets of my ire, not atheism per se. It’s all right if you do not believe in God, as long as you respect my beliefs and I respect yours. Both of you admirably meet that standard.

548 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:48pm

re: #438 Dr. Shalit

Beer for me!

549 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:15:52pm

re: #530 Canadian Guy

It’s inconceivable that he would be allowed to remain in a deployment area, much less treat personnel who were about to be deployed. Something is very wrong there.

550 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:16:03pm

re: #530 Canadian Guy

A former Colonel who worked with Hasan is saying on Fox now that he said Muslims should rise up against U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan numerous times and his views were well known to his colleagues.

And reported up the chain as it should have been he claims. This man, Hassan, should have been isolated at least and probably drummed out based on the statements he apparently made. Some brass has some ‘splainin to do I think.

551 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:16:04pm

re: #484 rwmofo

I live in TX. Wait time to buy a handgun if your record is clean = zero.

Note to non-Texans: if your record is clean you still have to pass an ATF screening, whether at a store or at a gun show. But yes, if you pass, you can walk away with a gun.

552 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:16:09pm

re: #544 Canadian Guy

I think he’s a few years late with his bitching.

553 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:16:13pm

re: #546 karmic_inquisitor

cstsonline.org in case y’all didn’t see it. Here is is profile, before it is taken down.

554 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:16:37pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Then you haven’t been over there lately.

555 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:16:45pm

re: #546 karmic_inquisitor

Wall Street Journal reports -

So this guy is an expert on PTSD. The article implies that PTSD is common among those who have seen repeated tours. Yet there is no mention of whether Hasan has been deployed there before. Was this his first deployment? Are we looking at Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder?

Maybe it’s second-hand PTSD, like second-hand smoke.

556 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:17:20pm

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

Oops, I up dinged you, stop saying things I agree with :)

heehee, it has been known to happen! :)

557 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:17:26pm

re: #546 karmic_inquisitor

Has Akbar been executed yet, or is that a ridiculous question…

558 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:17:32pm

re: #545 TheMatrix31

I don’t get how this fucker became a United States Army Major.

Lets see

US Citizen
Degree in Psych

The military NEEDS doctors with Psych degrees

uummm,,, 2 ,, plus 2 ,, eqauls ,,,

559 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:17:34pm

re: #546 karmic_inquisitor

Wall Street Journal reports -

So this guy is an expert on PTSD. The article implies that PTSD is common among those who have seen repeated tours. Yet there is no mention of whether Hasan has been deployed there before. Was this his first deployment? Are we looking at Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder?

He’s dead, so we’re not going to be able to get an evaluation from him. It’s possible he was upset from dealing with soldiers with this condition, and snapped.

560 Waste93  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:17:37pm

@ 457
America’s first war. Barbary Pirates - Muslim.

Your example are fair. However in the modern era, or should we say in the past couple of decades a fair amount of terrorism is Muslim related. Muslims make up about 20% of the Worlds population. Islamic terrorist groups make up about 50% of the terrorist groups.

So though there are non Muslim terrorism groups, they make up a larger proportion than their share of the population would seem to indicate. If you limited it to religious based terrorism groups that number would be a lot higher.

Islam has a terrorism problem. It’s a fact that is to often white washed or excused. But ignoring that problem won’t make it go away nor lessen the consequences when it happens. And for the record the most common victim of Muslim violence is other Muslims.

561 arethusa  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:17:41pm

re: #544 Canadian Guy

Yes, the colonel/co-worker being interviewed on Fox just now is providing a lot of insights: the major was asocial, opposed to involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, had issues with other soldiers, etc.

562 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:17:46pm

re: #551 David IV of Georgia

Handguns can only be purchased in the state of your residency. Guns are 100% legal to sell without a check if its a private sale. I can sell you a gun right now just like if I was selling you a lawn mower.

563 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:18:27pm

re: #561 arethusa

Yes, the colonel/co-worker being interviewed on Fox just now is providing a lot of insights: the major was asocial, opposed to involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, had issues with other soldiers, etc.

Then how the heck did he remain employed as a psychiatrist to help soldiers?

564 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:18:46pm

The shooting suspect was fighting against his redeployment to Iraq at the end of this year.

565 arethusa  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:18:48pm

re: #545 TheMatrix31

I don’t get how this fucker became a United States Army Major.

He was ROTC at Virginia Tech, Shepard Smith said. I assume his medical degree may have helped him advance, too.

566 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:18:54pm

re: #552 TheMatrix31

I think he’s a few years late with his bitching.

Go to Walter Reed and talk to some who have been there for years, THEN come back and talk to us about “latant” feelings

567 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:08pm

re: #553 Pepper Fox
Site must be crashing… not loading.

568 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:15pm

re: #561 arethusa

Yes, the colonel/co-worker being interviewed on Fox just now is providing a lot of insights: the major was asocial, opposed to involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, had issues with other soldiers, etc.

Indeed. That lends credence to the SJS theory.

569 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:27pm

re: #564 Canadian Guy

The shooting suspect was fighting against his redeployment to Iraq at the end of this year.

That explains a lot.

570 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:37pm

re: #558 sattv4u2

You’re right, I suppose the appropriate question is here—

littlegreenfootballs.com

571 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:42pm

re: #545 TheMatrix31

I don’t get how this fucker became a United States Army Major.

Wasn’t this addressed upthread? He entered as a M.D. which means he starts as a captain and can easily become a major. I could be wrong but that’s how I understood it.

Also, people can’t actually predict the future and all that.

572 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:42pm

re: #564 Canadian Guy

The shooting suspect was fighting against his redeployment to Iraq at the end of this year.

well, he’s deployed now for sure

573 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:45pm

re: #547 Dark_Falcon

Sorry if I was overbroad. You two are respectful to those who disagree with you on religion. Right Brain is not. His denigration of faith and seeming denial that one could be a man of science and a man of faith at the same time were the targets of my ire, not atheism per se. It’s all right if you do not believe in God, as long as you respect my beliefs and I respect yours. Both of you admirably meet that standard.

Which is why I didn’t downding you, just Right Brain. I intuited that this was your position. Unfortunately, there are some atheists who go out of their way to ridicule other people and are simply jerks. I don’t dismiss people that easily, and am ever interested in what inspires other people to step beyond the norm, even if it is religion. I’ve met too many people who have absolutely no decency, so a decent person automatically commands my respect.

574 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:55pm

re: #559 Sharmuta

He’s dead, so we’re not going to be able to get an evaluation from him. It’s possible he was upset from dealing with soldiers with this condition, and snapped.

gmta (see 542)

575 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #554 Bubblehead II


re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Then you haven’t been over there lately.


re: #406 Gus 802

Some of the comments I’m seeing are almost fitting for the stalker site.

Nah, no one has bashed Charles yet.


OOPS! My bad you meant here at LGF I believe. Sorry about that

576 Phocid  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:19:57pm

TV news is reporting that Hasan was a Muslim convert with a hatred for America who quoted as saying he hoped somebody would blow himself up at Times Square. The notion that he was just some overworked nut who snapped under the pressure is fading fast. As such, contrary to earlier statements, it’s pretty obvious now that it was an act of terrorism.

577 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:20:07pm

re: #558 sattv4u2

that’s not how it works. If you’re a Psychiatrist (note that’s not the same as being a Psychologist), you have first a medical license — that means you’re an M.D. then, you go on to specialize in the field of Psychiatry…then, you get some added initials after the MD designation.

578 arethusa  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:20:20pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Then how the heck did he remain employed as a psychiatrist to help soldiers?

I wish I knew. He had transferred recently, maybe they felt he would be OK with a change of scene?

579 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:20:26pm

re: #573 Dreader1962

Which is why I didn’t downding you, just Right Brain. I intuited that this was your position. Unfortunately, there are some atheists who go out of their way to ridicule other people and are simply jerks. I don’t dismiss people that easily, and am ever interested in what inspires other people to step beyond the norm, even if it is religion. I’ve met too many people who have absolutely no decency, so a decent person automatically commands my respect.

Thank you for that, sir.

580 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:20:31pm

Austin American Statesman reports the shooter’s family came from Jordan

581 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:20:43pm

re: #561 arethusa

Yes, the colonel/co-worker being interviewed on Fox just now is providing a lot of insights: the major was asocial, opposed to involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, had issues with other soldiers, etc.

Equally as infuriating as “Gee he was such a nice, quiet guy…” is “He was an asshole and all his co-workers saw this coming.”

It would be really upsetting if his co-workers said “He was moderate, average, and just like the rest of us.” But no, apparently this was no mystery. When are we going to believe that people mean what they say? Is it just too scary to take somebody at face value when they say “I’m gonna kill you”?

582 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:21:01pm

re: #550 The Shadow Do

And reported up the chain as it should have been he claims. This man, Hassan, should have been isolated at least and probably drummed out based on the statements he apparently made. Some brass has some ‘splainin to do I think.

critically undermanned field

Thanks, W!

And yeah, Bush had 8 years to increase the size of the military. From 2002 until 2006 the GOP controlled congress and the White House. I still remember the day my husband came home in spring of 2006 and told me that the USAF was going to cut 40,000 active duty troops because of repeated budget cuts.

The Army and Marines got screwed for years and years by the GOP while they were out there saying that they “supported the troops” better than democrats.

Look up earmarks in Defence Department funding bills…

583 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:21:09pm

My “Whack-a-doo Detector” keeps going off.

584 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:21:18pm

re: #570 TheMatrix31

You’re right, I suppose the appropriate question is here—

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

And the appropraite answer is until today he obviously showed no signs of being incapable of performing his duties

585 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:21:49pm

re: #564 Canadian Guy

The shooting suspect was fighting against his redeployment to Iraq at the end of this year.

Makes sense. But we still have kooks on Hot Air going IT MUST BE JIHAD when we’re still in dervish-of-breaking-news-coverage mode.

586 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:21:54pm

re: #496 BIG

I seem to recall a doctor in Britain or Scotland that drove his car through an airport terminal. But I was wrong about the IDF thing, so what do I know?

You know enough to acknowledge when you are incorrect. That is an indication of intelligence and reason.

587 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:22:28pm

re: #577 J.S.

that’s not how it works. If you’re a Psychiatrist (note that’s not the same as being a Psychologist), you have first a medical license — that means you’re an M.D. then, you go on to specialize in the field of Psychiatry…then, you get some added initials after the MD designation.

Gee ,,thanks ,,, and here I thought I was being concise

You mean you can’t just get a Psych degree from Wal Mart???

588 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:22:32pm

re: #559 Sharmuta

He’s dead, so we’re not going to be able to get an evaluation from him. It’s possible he was upset from dealing with soldiers with this condition, and snapped.

I heard an interview on NPR a year or 2 ago with a PTSD therapist who went down to New Orleans for a year and at the end of the year he told a friend to leave him quickly because he had a strong urge to bludgeon him to death. The therapist said that you can start to dwell in the same place as those you treat and, in a sense, “catch it.”

At the time I thought the report to be a bit hyperbolic but now I fell compelled to find it. I wonder if it is the same thing.

589 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:22:37pm

re: #560 Waste93

@ 457
America’s first war. Barbary Pirates - Muslim.

Your example are fair. However in the modern era, or should we say in the past couple of decades a fair amount of terrorism is Muslim related. Muslims make up about 20% of the Worlds population. Islamic terrorist groups make up about 50% of the terrorist groups.

Excuse me but how exactly would have computed that? Are we talking current ones? Active? Named? Or just some number you happened to pull out of a hat?
If you go back 30 years in time islamic terrorist groups were virtually non-existent. That would certainly be defined as “in the modern era” as far as I am concerned. Terrorism back then was primarily politically motivated (maoist/marxist/anarchist) unless it was related to Ireland in which case they were killing each other over religion. So really it’s only in the last 20 years or so we have seen the real rise of the islamic terrorism and that will, just like maoist terrorism, fade into the background in time.

590 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:22:39pm

re: #456 talon_262

talon_262 -

Read and understood.

-S-

591 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:22:55pm

re: #559 Sharmuta

He’s dead, so we’re not going to be able to get an evaluation from him. It’s possible he was upset from dealing with soldiers with this condition, and snapped.

According to the Colonel Lee (I think that’s his name), who was just interviewed by Shepard Smith, Hasan was on record with multiple people present as saying that more Muslims needed to resist the aggressor (that would be you and me). He evidently went so far as to say that more Muslims should strap bombs to themselves and resist. The Colonel being interviewed worked along side Hasan at Walter Reed.

592 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:23:01pm

OMG…the cousin of the fucker is on FNC.

593 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:23:06pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Then how the heck did he remain employed as a psychiatrist to help soldiers?

critically undermanned field

594 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:23:13pm

the media is making me sick right now. it’s like 9/11 redux, except instead of saying it happened because of our foreign policy, theyre saying it happened because we send troops on too many tours overseas. umm. no. it happened because this hasan guy was a crazy radical muslim freak. just like…oh, i dunno…mohammed atta?

595 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:23:34pm

re: #587 sattv4u2

No. You get in cereal boxes.

596 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:23:48pm

re: #576 Phocid

TV news is reporting that Hasan was a Muslim convert with a hatred for America who quoted as saying he hoped somebody would blow himself up at Times Square. The notion that he was just some overworked nut who snapped under the pressure is fading fast. As such, contrary to earlier statements, it’s pretty obvious now that it was an act of terrorism.

I am not finding any of this information on the internet! Got any links? Which TV news? Which affiliate? Which station? Cable or local?

597 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:24:11pm

Since the guy’s profile on CSTS is down by now, here is the cache for y’all

cstsonline.org

598 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:24:12pm

re: #595 J.S.

No. You get in cereal boxes.

Cracked Up Jacks?
/

599 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:24:21pm

re: #576 Phocid

TV news is reporting that Hasan was a Muslim convert with a hatred for America who quoted as saying he hoped somebody would blow himself up at Times Square. The notion that he was just some overworked nut who snapped under the pressure is fading fast. As such, contrary to earlier statements, it’s pretty obvious now that it was an act of terrorism.

DING DING DING. poor chris matthews won’t be able to blame this on america. (our foreign policy, our overworked troops, etc.) amazing how so patterns just keep repeating themselves…

600 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:24:39pm

Just as in the case of the laptop of Moussaoui not being investigated because no one was willing to be that un P C and risk being accused of profiling, it may turn out that no one at Ft Hood was willing to risk being accused of profiling a muslim and so his actions went unreported. You’d think this would be impossible at a military base, but Teh PC is strong.

601 steve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:24:56pm

Already have my rifle. DPMS Panther 6.8spc, 1500 rounds of ammo and 6 25 round mags. Working on getting more mags

602 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:25:12pm

Shep Smith - cousin says he was always a Muslim, born a Muslim. Cousin name is Nader Hasan

603 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:25:13pm

re: #597 Pepper Fox
Is it down? Safari just said that the site was way overloaded.
You can only imagine///

604 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:25:14pm

re: #559 Sharmuta

He’s dead, so we’re not going to be able to get an evaluation from him. It’s possible he was upset from dealing with soldiers with this condition, and snapped.

I don’t know if he actually had done any counseling yet, he finished that part of his degree in 2009

605 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:25:41pm

The shooter’s cousin is telling Fox he was dealing with harrassment from colleagues. And he’s not a Muslim convert. He’s always has been a Muslim.

606 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:25:54pm

re: #190 really grumpy big dog johnson

I think you are spot on in that analysis, Dark_Falcon. I think I’d prefer SJS over the later…

They’re both nightmare scenarios. If it’s an AQ cell, then it’s scary that they’ve made it to the homeland. If it’s Sudden Jihad Syndrome, then a cloud of suspicion will float over every Muslim in the country.

However, I’ll double down that there will be no anti-Muslim “backlash”, just as there was no backlash after 9/11, despite what libs & CAIR kept insisting. Individually and nationally, we are better people than other peoples and nations who do that.

607 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:25:56pm

re: #601 steve

Lol 6.8 is an awesome round but sooo hard to find in a decent stockpile without paying out the ass. I’d rather stick to a more common round for the time being.

608 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:01pm

This guy’s cousin’s a moron too. He doesn’t love his country if he can do this.

609 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:04pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

Shep Smith - cousin says he was always a Muslim, born a Muslim. Cousin name is Nader Hasan

But FOX isn;’t a real news organization! Pay no attention to them

610 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:20pm

re: #557 tradewind

Has Akbar been executed yet, or is that a ridiculous question…

Did he even go to trial yet?

611 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:31pm

re: #539 tradewind

Even if you don’t live right there, you may want to donate, because your local bank may be shipping out supplies of blood and need to replenish your local supplies.
I’m O/neg, so I am going to donate tomorrow.

Correct. The blood bank is a national system, with areas in need supplied from across the country if required. So even if you’re nowhere near Texas, your donation will still help.

612 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:35pm

re: #608 TheMatrix31

HEY COUSIN—STOP SAYING HES A GOOD AMERICAN!

613 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:39pm

Thanos: Nothin’ to see here. Sudden Jihad Syndrome? No, we’re over that, because of Obama.

614 Baldy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:42pm

His cousin is talking to Shep Smith on Fox News now. Says he was born Muslim, upset about bigotry, liked being in military, was born and raised here in US…

615 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:52pm

re: #610 The Sanity Inspector

Did he even go to trial yet?

He can have one after the execution!

/

616 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:58pm

usuhs.mil

Go to page 4.

1st column, row 5.

617 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:26:58pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

Shep Smith - cousin says he was always a Muslim, born a Muslim. Cousin name is Nader Hasan

From Jordan. Many Jordanians are also Palestinian, so there could be a Hamas connection.

618 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:01pm

re: #609 sattv4u2

But FOX isn;’t a real news organization! Pay no attention to them

Ok… let me change the channel… BBC.. no… Iran News Agency… no… Pravda… got it…

619 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:05pm

re: #601 steve

Already have my rifle. DPMS Panther 6.8spc, 1500 rounds of ammo and 6 25 round mags. Working on getting more mags

who you gonna shoot with that get up?…do you live in a war zone?

620 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:06pm

re: #592 TheMatrix31

OMG…the cousin of the fucker is on FNC.

He just said his now dead cousin was “a good American”.

621 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:13pm

re: #600 tradewind

Just as in the case of the laptop of Moussaoui not being investigated because no one was willing to be that un P C and risk being accused of profiling, it may turn out that no one at Ft Hood was willing to risk being accused of profiling a muslim and so his actions went unreported. You’d think this would be impossible at a military base, but Teh PC is strong.

very, very strong

my husband attends many flavors of “sensitivity training,” all mandatory

622 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:20pm

His cousin says the shooter was “a good American.”

623 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:24pm

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

From Jordan. Many Jordanians are also Palestinian, so there could be a Hamas connection.

That’s a reach, I think.

624 dadaist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #366 D.C. Law

Of course not all Muslims are terrorists. But nearly all terrorists are Muslim.

This is one of the most spectacularly ignorant statements I’ve seen posted here.

In Ireland alone there’s been the Provisional IRA, the Official IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Real IRA, the INLA, the IPLO, Saor Eire, Saor Uladh, Oglaigh na hEireann (a recent Real IRA split), the Red Hand Commando, the Ulster Volunteer Force, the Ulster Defence Association and the Loyalist Volunteer Force, to name just the major players. None of these organisations are exactly noted for their Islamic piety.

625 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:30pm

re: #562 Pepper Fox

Handguns can only be purchased in the state of your residency. Guns are 100% legal to sell without a check if its a private sale. I can sell you a gun right now just like if I was selling you a lawn mower.

True. Guns purchased at stores or shows always involve background checks—unless the seller wishes to commit a felony. Private sales do not have to have any background check, but if it can be proven that the seller knows that the gun is to be used for a crime or that the buyer is forbidden by law from owning a gun, the seller commits a felony.

626 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:32pm

re: #593 funky chicken

re: #582 funky chicken

I’d happily pay 8% more in taxes for direct support to military bases, family support, housing, and services. I’ve lived around bases all my life and I’ve always thought they could use more support. Especially the regular enlisted guy’s housing.

627 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:41pm

re: #614 Baldy

His cousin is talking to Shep Smith on Fox News now. Says he was born Muslim, upset about bigotry, liked being in military, was born and raised here in US…

“upset about bigotry?” im upset this freak just attacked FORT HOOD

628 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:49pm

His cousin says ’ WE’re blown away?
Not so much, buddy.
This is just normal family spin… I feel for him, but you have to consider the source.

629 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:27:55pm

re: #616 Gus 802

cstsonline.org

630 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:28:00pm

Hassan has never been to Iraq so he can’t be redeployed.

631 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:28:10pm

re: #624 dadaist

This is one of the most spectacularly ignorant statements I’ve seen posted here.

In Ireland alone there’s been the Provisional IRA, the Official IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Real IRA, the INLA, the IPLO, Saor Eire, Saor Uladh, Oglaigh na hEireann (a recent Real IRA split), the Red Hand Commando, the Ulster Volunteer Force, the Ulster Defence Association and the Loyalist Volunteer Force, to name just the major players. None of these organisations are exactly noted for their Islamic piety.

Nor are they noted for particularly high bodycounts or ongoing operations.

632 Baldy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:28:10pm

cousin had to go VERY quickly… ended call

633 steve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:28:12pm

re: #607 Pepper Fox

Lol 6.8 is an awesome round but sooo hard to find in a decent stockpile without paying out the ass. I’d rather stick to a more common round for the time being.

I reload and Silver State Armory has lots of ammo. $16.00 a box and up from there depending on what you want and how much you order.

634 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:28:25pm

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

Ok… let me change the channel… BBC.. no… Iran News Agency… no… Pravda… got it…

Are they interviewing iceweasal!?!?!?
//
ICE ,, I tease, because I love!!

635 Dante41  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:28:47pm

re: #628 tradewind

His cousin says ’ WE’re blown away?
Not so much, buddy.
This is just normal family spin… I feel for him, but you have to consider the source.

Dude. The man just found out his cousin just went and killed eleven people. Don’t you think that he might still be in shock?

636 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:00pm

re: #633 steve

Ouch, pricy!

637 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:04pm

re: #622 Canadian Guy

His cousin says the shooter was “a good American.”

Up until the day he started shooting, perhaps.

638 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:05pm

re: #632 Baldy

cousin had to go VERY quickly… ended call

Not unusual

There are probably 150 other news orgs waiting to talk to him

639 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:20pm

rsquare seems to have a ding obsession.

640 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:21pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

Shep Smith - cousin says he was always a Muslim, born a Muslim. Cousin name is Nader Hasan

that “cousin” sounded like a fake to me … I think FOX might have been tricked

641 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:28pm

re: #614 Baldy

His cousin is talking to Shep Smith on Fox News now. Says he was born Muslim, upset about bigotry, liked being in military, was born and raised here in US…

The cousin may well be covering for him. And harassment cannot be used to justify this.

642 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:33pm

re: #621 funky chicken
Our police department is dealing with this now… they are often more afraid of departmental backlash than of arresting criminals. When an alert goes out for a suspect, the media is not given the ethnicity of the perp, because it might contribute to profiling.

643 steve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:35pm

re: #619 albusteve

who you gonna shoot with that get up?…do you live in a war zone?


No one. Why do you ask?

644 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:48pm

Cousin says the shooter has never been sent to Iraq.

645 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:59pm

re: #632 Baldy
LOS
(lawyer over shoulder).///

646 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:30:04pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

Up until the day he started shooting, perhaps.

Typical, like the, ‘He was a quiet man…’ statements from the neighbors of many serial killers.

647 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:30:08pm

re: #639 Sharmuta

rsquare seems to have a ding obsession.

RSQUARE ,
Stop that, or you’ll go blind and get hairy palms

648 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:30:15pm

re: #540 Werewolf_in_Florida

I’m a bigot because a Doctor believes in “invisible” people ?

Christian doctors do, why not Muslim ones? (although the proper word is supernatural, not invisible)

One of the really interesting things about the human brain is the ability to simultaneously believe in two seemingly contradictory things, heh, kinda neat really. ;)

649 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:30:19pm

Jesus, guys. Give the guy’s cousin a break. He’s probably grieving and in shock. He’s not going to be saying a whole lot of stuff that makes sense right now.

650 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:30:20pm

Page 78.

HASAN, Nidal, MD, MPH, CPT, USA, MC

usuhs.mil

651 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:30:30pm

Something’s fishy.

652 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:30:54pm

re: #488 Right Brain

I’ll tell you what I told D.C. Law…I cordially invite you to piss off.

/if you only had a brain…

653 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:31:00pm

re: #614 Baldy

His cousin is talking to Shep Smith on Fox News now. Says he was born Muslim, upset about bigotry, liked being in military, was born and raised here in US…

liked being in the military, huh? shaking head.

654 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:31:25pm

re: #635 Dante41
Yes, of course.
My point was that you can’t really take anything he says at face value.

655 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:31:28pm

re: #640 _RememberTonyC

that “cousin” sounded like a fake to me … I think FOX might have been tricked

Possibly. The cousin is trying to lay down the grounds that this scumbag was driven crazy by the hostility he received. I call BS on this.

656 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:31:29pm

re: #630 iceman1960

Hassan has never been to Iraq so he can’t be redeployed.

That is what I don’t get.

Is this becoming a “teachable moment” on PTSD? From what info is available the guy had yet to experience the trauma that would normally have to predicate a diagnosis for PTSD.

657 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:31:36pm

re: #624 dadaist

This is one of the most spectacularly ignorant statements I’ve seen posted here.

In Ireland alone there’s been the Provisional IRA, the Official IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Real IRA, the INLA, the IPLO, Saor Eire, Saor Uladh, Oglaigh na hEireann (a recent Real IRA split), the Red Hand Commando, the Ulster Volunteer Force, the Ulster Defence Association and the Loyalist Volunteer Force, to name just the major players. None of these organisations are exactly noted for their Islamic piety.

Most serial killers are men. Therefore we need to be wary of all men.

Just trying to keep up with the lesson.

/

658 John Neverbend  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:31:45pm

re: #651 TheMatrix31

Something’s fishy.

He was going to be posted to Iraq, and apparently he was trying his hardest to avoid it.

659 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:04pm

re: #649 WindUpBird

I will not give him a break for calling his cousin, who murdered twelve American soldiers and injured 30 others, a good American.

660 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:15pm

re: #628 tradewind

His cousin says ’ WE’re blown away?
Not so much, buddy.
This is just normal family spin… I feel for him, but you have to consider the source.

I agree. What do people expect him to say? “Oh, yeah, my cousin was a crazed jihadist; we all knew it was only a matter of time before he snapped and took everyone within arm’s reach with him”?

This is the sort of thing that close friends and family always say after some horrible event like this.

661 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:24pm

re: #648 ausador

Christian doctors do, why not Muslim ones? (although the proper word is supernatural, not invisible)

One of the really interesting things about the human brain is the ability to simultaneously believe in two seemingly contradictory things, heh, kinda neat really. ;)

Also “people” is not the right word either.
supernatural beings.

662 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:25pm

re: #658 John Neverbend

I don’t buy it.

663 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:29pm

re: #640 _RememberTonyC

that “cousin” sounded like a fake to me … I think FOX might have been tricked

I have no idea. But, if the information he gave is accurate, then I have a rally bigger issue here, and that is, what is going on with in the ranks of the military.

If this guy was as vocal about his dislikes as his “cousin” related, then what the fuck is going on? Do the other folks he works with just ignore all this stuff, do they laugh it off, do they think he was kidding, I mean, some are saying that there was open confentation between him and others.

Does this just go on unsupervised, unreported and uncontrolled?

Houston, we have a problem.

664 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:39pm

Kay Bailey Hutchison is now saying that she’s been told that the shooter was targeting people he knew at the beginning of the rampage.

665 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:54pm

re: #537 enoughalready
Not sure if you understood my post. The point is: there’s a reason that most suicide-attacks are committed by Muslims. This religion offers the perfect fundament for a special kind of hatred: the ideology of abnegation, that hates life and praises death, that is strictly opposed to physical pleasure, consequently leads in the end to the hatred of the own body. The final fight, the explosion that destroys not only the “total enemies”, but also the own body, unites the “small” and the “big” jihad.
To understand this dynamics, it is recommended to read the “father” of the suicide-bombings, Carl Schmitt and his ideology about a “total enemy”.

666 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:56pm

re: #613 Cato the Elder

Thanos: Nothin’ to see here. Sudden Jihad Syndrome? No, we’re over that, because of Obama.

hey Cato, Quit stuffing ridiculous words in my mouth you childish bozo, or link to exactly where I said such a thing.

667 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:32:56pm

re: #643 steve

No one. Why do you ask?

I’m into home D, that’s all…didn’t mean to sound flip, I love guns and shooting…a shotgun is a must for me…I have a Stoeger P350 but I really want a cut down 20ga autofeed…screw the feds

668 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:33:15pm

re: #648 ausador

Christian doctors do, why not Muslim ones? (although the proper word is supernatural, not invisible)

One of the really interesting things about the human brain is the ability to simultaneously believe in two seemingly contradictory things, heh, kinda neat really. ;)

Aptly named doublespeak.

669 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:33:44pm

re: #635 Dante41

Dude. The man just found out his cousin just went and killed eleven people. Don’t you think that he might still be in shock?

Or full of shit. He started the interview saying Hasan loved the military and in the space of minutes closed, quickly, by detailing his disdainment for it.

670 Dotcoman  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:33:55pm

re: #622 Canadian Guy

His cousin says the shooter was “a good American.”

Heavy emphasis on the

was

Of course Benedict Arnold was once a good American too.

671 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:34:22pm

re: #664 Canadian Guy

Kay Bailey Hutchison is now saying that she’s been told that the shooter was targeting people he knew at the beginning of the rampage.

You gotta link stuff like that.

672 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:34:31pm

re: #648 ausador
re: #648 ausador

Like believing “Santa” for adults ;)

673 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:34:35pm

re: #639 Sharmuta

And a interesting graphic for his nic. Class of 2004 as well

674 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:34:38pm

re: #664 Canadian Guy

Kay Bailey Hutchison is now saying that she’s been told that the shooter was targeting people he knew at the beginning of the rampage.

This is sounding less like Jihad and more like Columbine.

675 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:34:52pm

re: #639 Sharmuta

No, I just don’t like what you have to say, ever.

676 Baldy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:34:56pm

As others, I assumed the caller was possibly a fake. We shall see.

677 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:16pm

Did I just hear from Shep on Fox that the other two suspects have been released??

678 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:18pm

RSQUARE

Please Down Ding this comment

It deserves it

RSQUARE IS AN ASSHOLE!

((oh ,, wait ,,, thats not fair to assholes!!))

679 John Neverbend  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:20pm

re: #662 TheMatrix31

I don’t buy it.

You mean you don’t think that his imminent posting to Iraq was what set him off? That may be true, and I don’t think it’s been alleged that this was the cause, at least not in any of the news that I’ve heard.

680 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:22pm

re: #663 Walter L. Newton

I have no idea. But, if the information he gave is accurate, then I have a rally bigger issue here, and that is, what is going on with in the ranks of the military.

If this guy was as vocal about his dislikes as his “cousin” related, then what the fuck is going on? Do the other folks he works with just ignore all this stuff, do they laugh it off, do they think he was kidding, I mean, some are saying that there was open confentation between him and others.

Does this just go on unsupervised, unreported and uncontrolled?

Houston, we have a problem.

I believe it was a former co-worker @ Walter Reed saying those things, not his cousin.

681 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:24pm

re: #675 rsquare

No, I just don’t like what you have to say, ever.

What your nic at the stalker blog?

682 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:35pm

re: #671 Stanley Sea

You gotta link stuff like that.

She’s being interviewd on Fox. No link.

683 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:39pm

I think we can probably all agree on one thing. Hassan was a f#ckin nutcase.
If you don’t want to deploy go friggin AWOL don’t kill a bunch of innocent people.

684 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:44pm

re: #659 TheMatrix31

I will not give him a break for calling his cousin, who murdered twelve American soldiers and injured 30 others, a good American.

Fine, then don’t. I am sure you are a perfect majestic gleaming robot made entirely of right angles with flawless programming that never says anything strange or wrong out of emotion, shock or grief.

Does your superior amazing cyborg brain run Linux, Windows, DOS, or MacOS?

685 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:53pm

re: #674 JasonA

This is sounding less like Jihad and more like Columbine.

With the limited info we have, and if it keeps playing out in the direction it appears to be going, you could be right.

686 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:35:59pm

re: #624 dadaist

This is one of the most spectacularly ignorant statements I’ve seen posted here.

In Ireland alone there’s been the Provisional IRA, the Official IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Real IRA, the INLA, the IPLO, Saor Eire, Saor Uladh, Oglaigh na hEireann (a recent Real IRA split), the Red Hand Commando, the Ulster Volunteer Force, the Ulster Defence Association and the Loyalist Volunteer Force, to name just the major players. None of these organisations are exactly noted for their Islamic piety.

What part of “nearly all” don’t you understand? There’s only one terrorist movement that kills Jews in Israel, Buddhists in Thailand, Hindus in India, Christians in Pakistan and Nigeria, insufficiently pure Muslims in Algeria, and Americans and Europeans wherever they may be found. If you hear of a bus bombing or a throat slitting on the news you may not be able to guess where it happened. But you’ve got decent odds of guessing who did it.

There’s really no good that can come from adamantly remaining in a sensitivity coma about this.

687 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:36:07pm

re: #656 karmic_inquisitor

That is what I don’t get.

Is this becoming a “teachable moment” on PTSD? From what info is available the guy had yet to experience the trauma that would normally have to predicate a diagnosis for PTSD.

Um, please. This isn’t about PTSD. Guys with PTSD don’t calmly walk into a deployment fair and start killing soldiers who are standing in lines waiting to get their papers punched.

You are close to insulting a lot of folks who are struggling with after-effects of wartime service.

Don’t fall for stupid anti-military messages, which hysteria about soldiers with PTSD really is, IMHO.

688 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:36:11pm

re: #656 karmic_inquisitor

He was a coward.

689 steve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:36:31pm

re: #667 albusteve

I’m into home D, that’s all…didn’t mean to sound flip, I love guns and shooting…a shotgun is a must for me…I have a Stoeger P350 but I really want a cut down 20ga autofeed…screw the feds

Mossberg 835, pump 12ga, 24inch unrifled slug barrel with iron sights, ported, and use #8 bird shot. Clears hallways and does not penetrate sheetrock in the back ground.

690 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:36:35pm

re: #684 WindUpBird

Fine, then don’t. I am sure you are a perfect majestic gleaming robot made entirely of right angles with flawless programming that never says anything strange or wrong out of emotion, shock or grief.

Does your superior amazing cyborg brain run Linux, Windows, DOS, or MacOS?

Oh shut the fuck up with that nonsense.

691 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:37:19pm

re: #675 rsquare

Posts can’t all be like this GEM of yours !!

littlegreenfootballs.com

692 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:37:36pm

re: #682 Canadian Guy

Missed it, thanks.

693 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:37:42pm

re: #673 Bubblehead II

its a beer logo,
and Ive been coming here since 2002, before the current registration model.

694 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:37:49pm

re: #641 Dark_Falcon

The cousin may well be covering for him. And harassment cannot be used to justify this.

But never fear, it will be, by some thick somebody or other.

695 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:37:55pm

re: #680 Stanley Sea

I believe it was a former co-worker @ Walter Reed saying those things, not his cousin.

There was a man, on the phone with Fox, who said he was his cousin and name was Nader Hasan… that’s all I know.

696 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:38:35pm

re: #690 TheMatrix31

Oh shut the fuck up with that nonsense.

mmm, yes. Do you agree or disagree that people occasionally say strange things they may regret in a time of crisis?

The nonsense, it is not on my end.

697 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:39:00pm

re: #687 funky chicken

Um, please. This isn’t about PTSD. Guys with PTSD don’t calmly walk into a deployment fair and start killing soldiers who are standing in lines waiting to get their papers punched.

You are close to insulting a lot of folks who are struggling with after-effects of wartime service.

Don’t fall for stupid anti-military messages, which hysteria about soldiers with PTSD really is, IMHO.

Dude - that is my point. PTSD is in about half of the articles up right now on the incident.

I don’t buy it. The “teachable moment” comment was intended to use a very PC term with a high degree of skepticism. The media seem to have settled on PTSD when it should be obvious that it is something different.

698 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:39:00pm

re: #675 rsquare

No, I just don’t like what you have to say, ever.

hahaha!…ever?…what a narrow minded jerk

699 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:39:14pm

I’m falling trap to too much news, too many different stories.

24 hours Stan. 24 hours.

700 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:39:37pm

re: #686 The Sanity Inspector

careful, reality is frowned upon here

701 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:39:51pm

re: #698 albusteve

hahaha!…ever?…what a narrow minded jerk

“I like kittens.”

“NO YOU DON’T! RINO!” :D

702 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:39:59pm

re: #696 WindUpBird

There’s a difference between not making sense and blatantly, multiple times, going out and saying this guy was a good American.

703 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:40:05pm

re: #681 Sharmuta

just because I don’t like you doesn’t mean I go to those stalker blogs, ask Charles if I do.

I’ve been posting here longer than you, just not as prodigiously as you.

704 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:40:12pm

re: #700 Werewolf_in_Florida

careful, reality is frowned upon here

No… bigots are.

705 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:40:20pm

re: #693 rsquare

and Ive been coming here since 2002, before the current registration model.

That and a buck fifty will get you a bottle of Coke.

706 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:40:35pm

re: #693 rsquare

its a beer logo,
and Ive been coming here since 2002, before the current registration model.

Did you have more to say then than
littlegreenfootballs.com

Because that, sir, is sheer poetry!!

707 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:40:59pm

re: #697 karmic_inquisitor

(it may not be one or the other — that is “it’s either PTSD or SJS” — perhaps some degree of overlap? a little of both? mixed together in some way?)

708 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:40:59pm

Can it be PTSD if you’ve never been deployed???

709 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:06pm

re: #705 Sharmuta

That and a buck fifty will get you a bottle of Coke.

That and a hundred bucks would get a little baggie of coke

710 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:10pm

You can tell Glenn Beck has the day off today.

711 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:21pm

re: #703 rsquare

No one gives a shit how long you’ve read this site.

712 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:23pm

re: #700 Werewolf_in_Florida

Would you hurry up and flounce already?

713 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:27pm

re: #706 sattv4u2

LOL,

someone doesn’t agree with you, better circle the wagons.

714 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:30pm

re: #697 karmic_inquisitor

Dude - that is my point. PTSD is in about half of the articles up right now on the incident.

I don’t buy it. The “teachable moment” comment was intended to use a very PC term with a high degree of skepticism. The media seem to have settled on PTSD when it should be obvious that it is something different.

Cable news needs a narrative, and this is the handiest narrative that they’re prepared for. It makes for good TV to bring in experts on PTSD, fills up the space in between breaking developments, keeps people watching.

There’s the news, and there’s the news product. The PTSD I think is more the latter.

715 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:48pm

Oh brother…

716 gegenkritik  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:50pm

re: #624 dadaist
Equalizing the IRA or ETA with al-Qaida is a bizarre belittlement of jihadism.

717 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:52pm

Shep Smith’s interview with Hasan’s co-worker:

718 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:41:55pm

re: #697 karmic_inquisitor

OK…it would be great if the idiot media learned something. I’m just a natural pessimist, and years of being married to a military guy hasn’t helped that much.

719 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:42:05pm

re: #650 Gus 802
Interesting that a psychiatrist would be also degreed in public health, with implications of epidemiology, biohazards, etc.

720 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:42:07pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

but I’ve seen you pull up registration info to prove someone is an unworthy noobie

721 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:42:15pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

and you are judge and jury ?

722 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:42:23pm

re: #703 rsquare

just because I don’t like you doesn’t mean I go to those stalker blogs, ask Charles if I do.

I’ve been posting here longer than you, just not as prodigiously as you.

124 comments. You have 124 comments, and you drop in here and make smart assed comments to other Lizards, like you fucking own this place.

124 comments. You’re right. That not prodigious, it’s more like taking a piss in your pants.

Smile :)

723 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:42:40pm

re: #666 Thanos

hey Cato, Quit stuffing ridiculous words in my mouth you childish bozo, or link to exactly where I said such a thing.

So why exactly did you downding my non-surprise at the perp’s name?

724 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:42:54pm

re: #689 steve

Mossberg 835, pump 12ga, 24inch unrifled slug barrel with iron sights, ported, and use #8 bird shot. Clears hallways and does not penetrate sheetrock in the back ground.

I have the 18inch, pistol grip model…all dbl ought buck…I’m isolated and live alone, and only care about target penetration…lots of lead flying around for sure

725 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:43:09pm

Boy, this thread sure did bring ‘em out.

726 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:43:20pm

re: #683 iceman1960

I think we can probably all agree on one thing. Hassan was a f#ckin nutcase.
If you don’t want to deploy go friggin AWOL don’t kill a bunch of innocent people.

Being a mean, vindictive son of a bitch does not equate to a nutcase.

727 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:43:45pm

re: #714 WindUpBird

Cable news needs a narrative, and this is the handiest narrative that they’re prepared for. It makes for good TV to bring in experts on PTSD, fills up the space in between breaking developments, keeps people watching.

There’s the news, and there’s the news product. The PTSD I think is more the latter.

It also perpetuates a certain distant perspective that many take on returning troops. And that sucks for the troops.

728 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:01pm

re: #726 The Shadow Do

Being a mean, vindictive son of a bitch does not equate to a nutcase.

It’s true - I am the former, but not the latter.

729 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:06pm

re: #693 rsquare

its a beer logo,
and Ive been coming here since 2002, before the current registration model.

And only

Karma: 30


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123 posts. In my opinion, you are a Troll/Sock Nothing more nothing less. As for the graphic, mayhap you speak the truth. What Brand?

730 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:15pm

I hope we know more when I come back from work in a few hours.

731 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:18pm

re: #703 rsquare

just because I don’t like you doesn’t mean I go to those stalker blogs, ask Charles if I do.

I’ve been posting here longer than you, just not as prodigiously as you.

so what?…to dismiss a poster of Sharmuta’s caliber only tends to make you irrelevant…

732 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:20pm

re: #720 rsquare

Looks like you’re going to have to take this battle up with Walter now.

Poor thing. So many Lizards here who are younger than you, so little time.

733 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:30pm

re: #708 Canadian Guy

A week or so ago there was a report that PTSD (was this a Canadian study? I forgotten) can, in fact, be “acquired” through immersion in — listening to, etc. — traumatic stories…so mental health personnel would also be susceptible…ie, they can also be “damaged.”

734 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:31pm

re: #674 JasonA
Except for the unfortunate Akbar similarity.
And the three teens in a pact.
And the antidepressants.
And the stockpiling weapons in their parents’ garages.
And the diaries detailing how they wanted to be remembered as going out in a blaze.
Just the same, only different.

735 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:45pm

re: #719 tradewind

Interesting that a psychiatrist would be also degreed in public health, with implications of epidemiology, biohazards, etc.

perfect sleeper training, frankly

I sure hope somebody investigates all his contacts over the years.

736 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:47pm

re: #719 tradewind

Interesting that a psychiatrist would be also degreed in public health, with implications of epidemiology, biohazards, etc.

Yeah. A psychiatrist does the pre-med route and then specialize in psychiatry.

737 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:54pm

re: #729 Bubblehead II

Cerveza Imperial, from Costa Rica, truly delicious.

738 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:08pm

re: #713 rsquare

LOL,

someone doesn’t agree with you, better circle the wagons.

Oh please, enlighten me with another of your
“duuude,, is that where you live” posts of literary brilliance

739 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:15pm

re: #734 tradewind

Zackly.

Nothing to see here.

740 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:26pm

re: #702 TheMatrix31

There’s a difference between not making sense and blatantly, multiple times, going out and saying this guy was a good American.

I’ve said truly abominable and ludicrous things during bad times in my life a hundred times that I woke up the next day and could not believe. People are capable of amazing self-delusion in times of great stress. You are coming at this from logic as a dispassionate observer, the human brain does not work that way in these circumstances.

it’s happened to me, it’s happened to members of my family. So I’m not surprised at anything this guy says.

741 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:31pm

re: #731 albusteve

Aww. For that, here’s another version of the John Mayer Trio doing Come When I Call just for you:

742 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:32pm

re: #675 rsquare

As with D.C. Law and right brain before you, I cordially invite you to piss off as well.

/the morons, the ignorant, and the crazies are going all out today…

743 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:42pm

re: #725 Varek Raith

Boy, this thread sure did bring ‘em out.

Bigots, racist and plain old jerks feed off of this kind of news. It is like a drug, since they cannot get the confirmation they want from others around them, since most people are rational and intelligent.

This is like a cheap drunk for them.

744 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:49pm

re: #713 rsquare

LOL,

someone doesn’t agree with you, better circle the wagons.

You said you didn’t like Sharmuta, not that you didn’t agree.

If you are motivated by emotional bias you should keep your opinions to yourself.

745 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:45:57pm

re: #728 Guanxi88

It’s true - I am the former, but not the latter.

LOL!

746 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:46:00pm

re: #723 Cato the Elder

I ding down people who jump to what they think are the obvious conclusions like they are mind readers. I suspect we don’t know everything about this yet.

747 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:46:27pm

re: #714 WindUpBird

Cable news needs a narrative, and this is the handiest narrative that they’re prepared for. It makes for good TV to bring in experts on PTSD, fills up the space in between breaking developments, keeps people watching.

There’s the news, and there’s the news product. The PTSD I think is more the latter.

Um, please. This isn’t about PTSD. Guys with PTSD don’t calmly walk into a deployment fair and start killing soldiers who are standing in lines waiting to get their papers punched.

You are close to insulting a lot of folks who are struggling with after-effects of wartime service.

Don’t fall for stupid anti-military messages, which hysteria about soldiers with PTSD really is, IMHO.

748 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:46:33pm

re: #729 Bubblehead IIre: #738 sattv4u2

that was on an open thread, and I was commenting on a beautiful picture Charles took, and I was jealous of the environment.

749 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:46:34pm

re: #725 Varek Raith

Boy, this thread sure did bring ‘em out.

This story makes people angry. When they get angry, this is one of the places where people go to voice their anger.

750 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:46:58pm

re: #725 Varek Raith

Boy, this thread sure did bring ‘em out.

I’m surprised the Kahanists haven’t shown up.

Yet.

751 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:47:02pm
752 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:47:02pm

re: #736 Gus 802

A psychiatrist is a regular M.D., whose specialty is psychiatric. This guy had a post-doc in public health, and the curriculum that was posted seems heavy on the epidemiological emphasis.

753 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:47:04pm

re: #743 Walter L. Newton

Bigots, racist and plain old jerks feed off of this kind of news. It is like a drug, since they cannot get the confirmation they want from others around them, since most people are rational and intelligent.

This is like a cheap drunk for them.

Some people feel more ‘real’ when others are talking about them.

Even when it’s because they are being twits on a blog.

754 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:47:49pm

re: #751 Werewolf_in_Florida

GAZE.

755 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #741 Sharmuta

Aww. For that, here’s another version of the John Mayer Trio doing Come When I Call just for you:


[Video]

well thanks for that…I’m not into flattery, but some people just deserve some back up…not many tho

756 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:48:19pm

We’re going to need extra charcoal tonight.

757 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:48:20pm

re: #751 Werewolf_in_Florida
Not such a great comment when there might be posters who deal with just that situation in a family.
Just saying.

758 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:48:28pm

Fox is reporting another suspect has been picked up…
This story is unbelievable

759 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:48:30pm

re: #708 Canadian Guy

Can it be PTSD if you’ve never been deployed???

PTSD isn’t limited to combat trauma. Police, hostages and accident victims can also suffer from it. It isn’t limited to the military, although that’s where it was first identified. And within the military, as noted, it isn’t necessarily limited to the battlefield, although the sort of trauma that normally induces it wouldn’t be common in non-deployed assignments.

760 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:48:57pm

re: #755 albusteve

Thank you, {Albu}. I appreciate your support.

761 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:03pm

re: #751 Werewolf_in_Florida

re: #743 Walter L. Newton

wow.. imagine what life would have been like, if you’d gotten enough oxygen at birth ?

For someone who has a cousin that was deprived of enough oxygen at birth (cord wrapped around his neck) and who for the past 40 years has lived with severe handicaps and to this day has not ONCE complained about it, I must say

YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE

762 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:12pm

re: #713 rsquare

The avatar however is fine, a great beer.

But hostility towards Sharmuta is no fine, it’s weird.

763 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:29pm

re: #747 funky chicken

Um, please. This isn’t about PTSD. Guys with PTSD don’t calmly walk into a deployment fair and start killing soldiers who are standing in lines waiting to get their papers punched.

You are close to insulting a lot of folks who are struggling with after-effects of wartime service.

Don’t fall for stupid anti-military messages, which hysteria about soldiers with PTSD really is, IMHO.


Oh, for the love of God. You didn’t read a damn word I said! I agree with you! I will put it in capslock so it gets by whatever filter you are wearing

I AM SPEAKING OF THE MEDIA AND SPECIFICALLY CABLE NEWS ***FORCING*** A PTSD NARRATIVE ON A SUBJECT THAT IS NOT PTSD FOR PURPOSES OF KEEPING PEOPLE WATCHING CABLE NEWS.


DO YOU UNDERSTAND? FINALLY?

764 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:34pm

The soldiers who are reporting multiple gunshots and different types of weapons fired might be a little more reliable than your average bystander.

765 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:37pm
766 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:39pm

re: #758 HoosierHoops

Fox is reporting another suspect has been picked up…
This story is unbelievable

That’s consistent with what CNN said a while back about another ‘person of interest’ separate from the two who were initially picked up.

767 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:47pm

re: #710 Gus 802

You can tell Glenn Beck has the day off today.

His appendix realized whose abdomen it was in and tried to commit suicide. I’m sure Glenn is taking notes during his recovery, however.

768 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:56pm

re: #751 Werewolf_in_Florida

re: #743 Walter L. Newton

wow.. imagine what life would have been like, if you’d gotten enough oxygen at birth ?

It is a sign of mental illness when a person (look in the mirror) continues to try to bring negative attention to themselves, like you keep doing. Instead of debating or trying to use some critical thinking about the issues, and our opinions of your comments, you simply keep coming back acting like a jerk.

I understand negative attention is better than no attention, but really, go to a doctor and get that fixed.

769 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:49:58pm

re: #757 tradewind

your right I apologize. Just pissed off for being called a Bigot, because I have a hard time with a man of supposed Science believing in a 7th Century Religion.

770 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:50:07pm

re: #761 sattv4u2

Rare up ding for profantiy.

771 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:50:09pm

re: #757 tradewind

Not such a great comment when there might be posters who deal with just that situation in a family.
Just saying.

Thanks (see 761)

772 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:50:35pm

re: #758 HoosierHoops

Fox is reporting another suspect has been picked up…
This story is unbelievable

Yes, it’s one of those things where you don’t know if they are picking up an accomplice to terror or a harasser. Who Knows? Not me.

773 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:50:36pm

re: #767 SixDegrees

His appendix realized whose abdomen it was in and tried to commit suicide. I’m sure Glenn is taking notes during his recovery, however.

That’s funny!! :)

774 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:50:38pm

re: #741 Sharmuta

Aww. For that, here’s another version of the John Mayer Trio doing Come When I Call just for you:


whoa…playing a big old hollow body jazz guitar…with suits…a nod to tradition…you just gotta love these guys…I wonder if rsquared digs Mayer?…probably not, heh

775 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:50:45pm
776 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:50:52pm

re: #765 MandyManners

What you said.

777 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:51:01pm

re: #765 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

We’re runnin’ outta rope!!!

778 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:51:11pm

re: #765 MandyManners

You said that before.. need new material

779 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:51:21pm
780 Bloodnok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:51:37pm

re: #775 rsquare

Sharmuta flounce!

781 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:51:42pm

John Carter (Texas Congressman) is saying another suspect has been picked up for questioning

782 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:51:54pm

New person here, gotta ask - whats sjs?

783 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:01pm

re: #769 Werewolf_in_Florida

your right I apologize. Just pissed off for being called a Bigot, because I have a hard time with a man of supposed Science believing in a 7th Century Religion.

Don’t try to justify - just move on.

784 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:01pm

re: #763 WindUpBird

yes, yes, yes

However, other readers might not get it, so I’m going to forcefully counter the silly PTSD stuff.

785 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:09pm

re: #782 Stanley Sea

New person here, gotta ask - whats sjs?

Sudden
Jihad
Syndrome

786 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:15pm
787 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:19pm

re: #751 Werewolf_in_Florida

FOAD

788 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:39pm

i think that my faith in fox news has just been restored. cnn and msnbc are tripping over themselves to turn this into an issue of troop fatigue. shameful. its an issue of murder. after all these weeks and months of teabaggers, glenn beck, etc. which made me question my political affiliation, this horrible act today reminded me again why I am indeed a Republican.

789 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:47pm

re: #721 Werewolf_in_Florida

Do the letters F.O. mean anything to you?

/just sayin’…

790 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:47pm

re: #786 MandyManners

I love you…

791 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:50pm

K Kiddies

The drive home beckons

Cya All later

Please people ,,,

24 hours on this one

It’s a heinous act, no doubt, 100%

But let the investigators sort it out

792 lizzel  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:52:53pm

re: #686 The Sanity Inspector

What part of “nearly all” don’t you understand? There’s only one terrorist movement that kills Jews in Israel, Buddhists in Thailand, Hindus in India, Christians in Pakistan and Nigeria, insufficiently pure Muslims in Algeria

Also Catholics in the Philippines

793 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:53:09pm

re: #779 MandyManners

Wouldn’t SJS go out the window if there’s more than one?

only have to drop the first S…

794 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:53:26pm

re: #785 Guanxi88

tks

795 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:53:26pm

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

Your the one who threw the first punch.. you are amazingly full of yourself

796 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:53:57pm

re: #778 Werewolf_in_Florida
Sometimes the golden oldies just fit, and this was one of those times. Just take the medicine like a man.

797 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:54:04pm

re: #767 SixDegrees

His appendix realized whose abdomen it was in and tried to commit suicide. I’m sure Glenn is taking notes during his recovery, however.

I’m sticking with my story about ACORN putting the mojo on him on their way back from stealing the election from Hoffcon.

Link

One can’t disprove mojo, it’s magical.

798 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:54:24pm

re: #795 Werewolf_in_Florida

Your the one who threw the first punch.. you are amazingly full of yourself

Stand down…This isn’t the time or the place

799 Jack Burton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:54:25pm

re: #756 Sharmuta

We’re going to need extra charcoal tonight.

We’re going to need a bigger boat.

800 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:54:34pm

re: #782 Stanley Sea

Sudden Jihad Syndrome…

801 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:54:39pm

re: #764 tradewind

The soldiers who are reporting multiple gunshots and different types of weapons fired might be a little more reliable than your average bystander.

Not in my experience (admittedly almost 20 years ago). If caught by surprise, they tend to be very human.

Note I’m not saying they’re wrong. I’m saying the 24 hour rule should be applied.

802 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:54:47pm

re: #788 rollwave87

i think that my faith in fox news has just been restored. cnn and msnbc are tripping over themselves to turn this into an issue of troop fatigue. shameful. its an issue of murder. after all these weeks and months of teabaggers, glenn beck, etc. which made me question my political affiliation, this horrible act today reminded me again why I am indeed a Republican.

pathetic that CNN and MSNBC make it so damn easy

803 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:54:49pm
804 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:55:09pm

re: #785 Guanxi88
Then again, there’s
Sleeper
Jihad
Syndrome.

805 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:55:10pm

Hey - here is something I don’t get.

Is it now verboten to associate what is obviously a violent, criminal act against US uniformed personnel with the perpetrators faith (Islam) and speculate that jihad might be a motivation?

Is that bigotry?

I mean, the guy went and slaughtered 9 people and tried to kill another 30 at a processing center for an Iraq deployment. Because his car was keyed?

I am not willing to embrace the notion that this is Mohammed Atta II, but I am not going to scream “bigot” at anyone who says it might be SJS.

Now someone who goes off on “of course it is jihad because all Muslims want to kill infidels” garbage - yes. You’ve got a bigot.

But SJS is a distinct and yet disproved motivation. And a Pentagon Official is quoted in a WSJ article I posted upthread as saying that this may be another Hasan Akbar incident. SJS in that case.

806 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:55:12pm
807 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:55:15pm

re: #797 Bagua

I’m sticking with my story about ACORN putting the mojo on him on their way back from stealing the election from Hoffcon.

Link

One can’t disprove mojo, it’s magical.

True, that.

808 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:55:32pm

re: #788 rollwave87

i think that my faith in fox news has just been restored. cnn and msnbc are tripping over themselves to turn this into an issue of troop fatigue. shameful. its an issue of murder. after all these weeks and months of teabaggers, glenn beck, etc. which made me question my political affiliation, this horrible act today reminded me again why I am indeed a Republican.

Quite Concur.

809 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:55:52pm

re: #799 ArchangelMichael

We’re going to need a bigger boat.

And a new thread - this one is not moving well for me …

810 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:56:37pm

re: #784 funky chicken

yes, yes, yes

However, other readers might not get it, so I’m going to forcefully counter the silly PTSD stuff.

I am countering it as well, dude. And I do not dig the inference that I am coming close to insulting anyone in crisis. I have worked in health care myself, with people with debilitating mental illnesses and pervasive developmental handicaps.

It’s important to have some awareness about the actual media role in spreading memes and disinformation in the midst of breaking news. We’re all being fed it right at this very moment. When I see cable news doing Bad Things (like spreading this PTSD meme) I want to talk about it.

811 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:56:54pm

re: #809 reine.de.tout

And a new thread - this one is not moving well for me …

I dig fast threads, but I get behind pretty quick

812 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:57:31pm

re: #795 Werewolf_in_Florida

Your the one who threw the first punch.. you are amazingly full of yourself

Yes, I called you a bigot. I am an atheist, have been most of my life. I am very capable of making my point about my denial of the supernatural, but I don’t have to resort to derogatory terms like “invisible people” and “Psychiatrist needs a Psychiatrist,” which is certainly bigoted rhetoric.

You didn’t go into a logical debate of the supernatural, you simply put this man down with snide and bigoted remarks.

Yes, you are a bigot, when you use terms like that, when you peg people like him with terms like that, that’s bigoted.

You don’t know anything about this person, yet you dismiss him with “invisible people” and “Psychiatrist needs a Psychiatrist.”

Bigot. Go look up the term.

813 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:57:32pm

I’d rather see the press conference than O’Reilly. For that matter, I’d rather see commercials. Ugh.

814 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:57:58pm

re: #811 albusteve

I dig fast threads, but I get behind pretty quick

Thread is jerky, gets hung up … by the time I see something to respond to, thread is 100 posts ahead of me.

815 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:58:16pm

re: #805 karmic_inquisitor

I think you’ve made the important distinctions there. Seems too hard for some to grasp.

816 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:58:17pm

re: #799 ArchangelMichael

We’re going to need a bigger boat.

…and bigger grills, and more catapults.

817 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:58:45pm

re: #737 rsquare

OK, the Avatar checks out, for now. But the rest of your history is still questionable in my book.

818 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:59:03pm

So had this Major been deployed once before or was this to be his first deployment.

819 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:59:26pm

re: #810 WindUpBird

[…]

It’s important to have some awareness about the actual media role in spreading memes and disinformation in the midst of breaking news. We’re all being fed it right at this very moment. When I see cable news doing Bad Things (like spreading this PTSD meme) I want to talk about it.

Bravo!

820 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:59:37pm

re: #813 bosforus

I’d rather see the press conference than O’Reilly. For that matter, I’d rather see commercials. Ugh.

I think O’Reilly is OK when he’s off screen and not talking.

821 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:59:44pm

My prediction, there will be no other suspects. He acted alone as a muslim convert and a COWARD.

Shit, this guy was a freakin medical Doctor!!

WHAT A WASTE.

822 tradewind  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:59:44pm

Prayers for the injured and those caring for them.
Discernment and good judgement for those trying to get the gist.
Goodnight ya’ll, and remember that ’ we sleep safe in our beds because rough men (and women!) stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. ‘

823 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:59:45pm

The pain of having to say thank G_d my son is in Iraq where he’s safer than at his home base of Ft Hood.

My prayers for the families fwiw.

This is just nuts.

824 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:59:51pm

Lock down has been lifted.
-Fox News

825 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:00:17pm

Good summary by Smith about what the Colonel who worked with the shooter and the shooter’s cousin told him this past hour.

826 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:00:20pm

re: #817 Bubblehead II

Well, gee whiz, I’m so very glad we have you to be a keeper of truth here at LGF.

I can just feel the truthiness.

just poop.

Does Charles pay you to police his blog, or are you a freelancer?

827 infidel4ever  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:00:22pm

Interview with an ex-colleague

Interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

828 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:00:32pm

Shep does a good job in times of crisis.

829 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:00:50pm

re: #814 reine.de.tout

Thread is jerky, gets hung up … by the time I see something to respond to, thread is 100 posts ahead of me.

my typing skills are so limited, I can’t afford to get windy…so my posts are direct and efficient, word wise…you snooze, you looze

830 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:01:02pm

re: #788 rollwave87

i think that my faith in fox news has just been restored. cnn and msnbc are tripping over themselves to turn this into an issue of troop fatigue. shameful. its an issue of murder. after all these weeks and months of teabaggers, glenn beck, etc. which made me question my political affiliation, this horrible act today reminded me again why I am indeed a Republican.

So because they’re covering one issue in a way you approve of, that makes them credible?

Cable news, ANY cable news, should be taken with a thousand bavarian soft pretzels’ worth of salt. Fox News’ target demo would respond better to the murder angle (which I also agree is a better angle, BTW) MSNBC’s target demo would respond better to psuedo-science. It’s a product. Like a box of Cheerios or a Lexus.

And Fox News should have nothing to do with your political affiliation. I know dyed in the wool Republicans who would rather eat their own hair than watch FNC.

831 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:01:09pm
832 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:01:15pm

re: #818 bosforus

So had this Major been deployed once before or was this to be his first deployment.

I can’t find a prior deployment but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been. Before he was at Hood he was at Walter Reed. He was recently promoted to Major.

833 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:01:21pm

re: #829 albusteve

my typing skills are so limited, I can’t afford to get windy…so my posts are direct and efficient, word wise…you snooze, you looze

So booze! :)

834 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:01:37pm

re: #831 Ojoe

Sunset on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Towercam, Pacific time zone.

Nature break. You know you need it.

Beautiful!
But I want to see that moon again.

835 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:01:37pm

CNN just ramped into their ‘Main Story’ mode. I hate it when they add special graphics, strange cuts and filters and theme music.

Just do the news straight. It makes them look like Fox News.

836 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:01:43pm

re: #818 bosforus

So had this Major been deployed once before or was this to be his first deployment.

His cousin says he was never deployed.

837 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:02:02pm

re: #833 Walter L. Newton

So booze! :)

that too

838 seamonkey  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:02:34pm

Horrible, horrible. My uncle was stationed at Fort Hood for many years. I have all his envelopes with the return address. Plus a cool one that says Operation Desert Shield.

839 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:02:35pm

re: #836 Canadian Guy

His cousin says he was never deployed.

So apparently do the military authorities. This was to be his first deployment.

840 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:02:49pm

re: #826 rsquare

GAZE

841 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:02:55pm

re: #828 cliffster

Shep does a good job in times of crisis.

I am so proud of our Military tonight…They do a GREAT JOB in time of crises

842 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:05pm

re: #834 reine.de.tout

It rises about 1 hour later every night.

843 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:19pm

re: #810 WindUpBird

OK, I misread your comment. Sorry.

844 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:19pm

re: #826 rsquare

Yawn.

845 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:25pm

re: #826 rsquare

Well, gee whiz, I’m so very glad we have you to be a keeper of truth here at LGF.

I can just feel the truthiness.

just poop.

Does Charles pay you to police his blog, or are you a freelancer?

not cool dragging Charles into your personal problem here…you seem unsalvagable

846 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:33pm

He got a poor evaluation at Walter reed.

847 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:36pm

re: #831 Ojoe

Sunset on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Towercam, Pacific time zone.

Nature break. You know you need it.

Even with all the shit, it’s still a wonderful world. Thanks for reminding us.
Louie Armstrong

848 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:52pm

re: #843 funky chicken

OK, I misread your comment. Sorry.

It’s all good, apology accepted. I’m on your side here! 8-)

849 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:03:52pm

re: #831 Ojoe

duuude, that is an awesome sight. Is that close to your view?
ooop, my literary skills might not be up to snuff for some.


but I really do like that webcam shot.

850 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:04:24pm

It’s looking more and more like a single shooter. It’s infuriating that this single guy, in one short bit of time, has a higher kill rate that the entire enemy force on a typical day in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

851 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:05:03pm

Targeted people he knew.
-CNN

852 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:05:08pm

re: #845 albusteve

Oh noes, I got a GAZE and a YAWN too.

853 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:05:14pm

re: #849 rsquare

No, it is not close to my view. I grew up near Mt. Wilson (the towercam is on the top of Mt. Wilson) but now I live about 500 miles north of there.

854 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:05:15pm

re: #769 Werewolf_in_Florida

Are you a supposed man of Science who believes in a 1st Century religion?

/just turning your “argument” in another direction…

855 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:05:28pm

re: #821 Sheepdogess

He’s not a convert. He’s Jordanian:

Mr. Hasan is a graduate of Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

According to the Austin American Statesman, Mr. Hasan’s parents were born in Jordan. The newspaper quoted Representative Michael McCaul of Austin, who has been briefed on the shootings at Fort Hood, as saying that Mr. Hasan “took a lot of advanced training in shooting.

856 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:06:09pm

re: #850 Dreader1962

It’s looking more and more like a single shooter. It’s infuriating that this single guy, in one short bit of time, has a higher kill rate that the entire enemy force on a typical day in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

It is infuriating but I’m sure you understand why. They are over there to fight. We are here to live in peace, ideally.

857 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:06:20pm

re: #852 rsquare

Oh noes, I got a GAZE and a YAWN too.

Here, you can add a “whatever” to your list. Now… take your words and go to bed.

858 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:06:25pm

re: #853 Ojoe

I lived in the mountains, now I live in the suburbs.

859 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:06:32pm

I gotta go. When soxfan4life shows up, tell him I said hi.

860 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:06:38pm

re: #854 talon_262

no… but thanks for asking.

861 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:06:42pm

re: #746 Thanos

I ding down people who jump to what they think are the obvious conclusions like they are mind readers. I suspect we don’t know everything about this yet.

Yeah. His name could turn out to be Major Schmidt.

862 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:07:01pm

re: #857 Walter L. Newton

Are you the thread police? Is there a whole force?

863 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:07:05pm

re: #847 Van Helsing

Thanks for posting Louie.

864 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:07:48pm

re: #862 rsquare

Are you the thread police? Is there a whole force?

Unmarked.

865 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:08:00pm

re: #852 rsquare

Oh noes, I got a GAZE and a YAWN too.

you are quickly becoming irrelevant, the kiss of death if you want to participate…you will be posting to yourself

866 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:08:03pm

re: #851 bosforus

Targeted people he knew.
-CNN

Sounds more like postal than SJS then.

867 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:08:04pm

re: #366 D.C. Law

Of course not all Muslims are terrorists. But nearly all terrorists are Muslim. That is a fact. Not all Germans were Nazis, but from the standpoint of political analysis, so what? Therefore, if we are going to deal with the problem effectively we must acknowledge this. Also, we must acknowledge the fact that the Muslim leadership in the US (and possibly the Muslim “street”, depending on how you read the data) has utterly failed to spit out jihadism. And we must deal with that as well. These are hard questions, and there are no easy answers, but denial and cover-up is not the way to go.

I think the point that you are missing, and earning you a lot of minuses, is that this blog is not about conspiracy theories before facts are known, nor is it about Muslim bashing for it’s own sake. Chances are you will have reason to be critical of CAIR in due course. Wait for it.

868 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:08:10pm

re: #862 rsquare

Thin skin much?

869 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:08:55pm

I’m tuning out O’Reilly because 7 minutes into his show he’s covering a Tea Bagger protest.

870 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:08:57pm

re: #855 Sharmuta

One of the things I’m curious about is whether or not his parents might have been Baathists. Today was the day Sadaam Hussein received a sentence of death.

871 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:09:02pm

re: #863 Ojoe

Thanks for posting Louie.

Thank you for your picture links.
And I’ll try to remember that it’s Louis. Next time…

872 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:09:18pm

re: #847 Van Helsing

Unless it was your hero son/daughter, husband/wife, brother/sister, father/mother, friend who was brutilly murdered today.

I hope you and yours are safe tonight.

Humanity sucks.

873 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:09:22pm

re: #868 bosforus

Why thin skin?
I was just asking if there was a whole thread police force, or just freelancres?

Are you a thread police cadet?

874 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:09:27pm

re: #861 Cato the Elder

Don’t be ridiculous.

875 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:09:33pm

re: #870 Thanos

One of the things I’m curious about is whether or not his parents might have been Baathists. Today was the day Sadaam Hussein received a sentence of death.

Very interesting, Thanos. Thanks for pointing that out.

876 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:09:36pm

re: #826 rsquare

“Well, gee whiz, I’m so very glad we have you to be a keeper of truth here at LGF.”

Nope, not a keeper of any sort, Just someone who has his own opinions about the subject matter and those who comment. Don’t like what I post. scroll over it. But I will note that those who have been here longer than either of us and who have posted more than either of us have so far found little to take me to task for. You?

I can just feel the truthiness.

just poop.

Does Charles pay you to police his blog, or are you a freelancer?

/// Well I am still waiting for my Zionist check to show up. Charles?

877 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:10:10pm

re: #817 Bubblehead II

Not an imaginative flounce for a five year old sleeper account. Good luck in the ether.

878 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:10:37pm

re: #866 enoughalready

Sounds more like postal than SJS then.

What I mean by that is that the things I am hearing so far tells me that this is a somewhat disturbed individual (asocial etc). I am quite sure there may be an SJS component to it but if you start killing people you know then it’s a bit more complex than it appears.

879 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:10:50pm

CNN is still reporting that the second suspect is still in custody (this person’s involvement is still unknown — waiting for Press Conference to find out more)…

880 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:10:53pm

re: #855 Sharmuta

Even more depressing.

Thanks.

881 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:11:30pm

Press Conference is scheduled to begin in less than five minutes.

882 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:12:03pm

re: #850 Dreader1962

It’s looking more and more like a single shooter. It’s infuriating that this single guy, in one short bit of time, has a higher kill rate that the entire enemy force on a typical day in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

There was a second shooter, according to a military spokesperson Christopher Hogue (sic) now being interviewed on CNN. Military news conference in 5 minutes.

883 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:12:11pm

re: #881 J.S.

Press Conference is scheduled to begin in less than five minutes.

Streaming link?

884 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:12:23pm

re: #877 Bagua

Not an imaginative flounce for a five year old sleeper account. Good luck in the ether.

I’m going to be banned?

885 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:12:47pm

re: #878 enoughalready

What is SJS?

886 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:07pm

re: #885 bosforus

What is SJS?

Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

887 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:09pm

re: #885 bosforus

sudden jihadi syndrome

888 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:10pm

re: #848 WindUpBird

It’s all good, apology accepted. I’m on your side here! 8-)

OK :-) I’ve said on a previous thread that we have a friend with terrible PTSD from Hurricane Andrew. He and his dog survived in a coat closet; after the storm the rest of the house was debris. It was tough on him when the dog passed away from old age many years later.

889 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:12pm

re: #885 bosforus

What is SJS?

Sudden Jihad Syndrome!

890 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:19pm

re: #885 bosforus

sudden jihad syndrome.

891 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:35pm

re: #884 rsquare

I’m going to be banned?

Lord willing and the creeks don’t rise

892 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:39pm

re: #883 Thanos

Streaming link?


Here

893 Canadian Guy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:51pm

re: #885 bosforus

What is SJS?

In Canada it’s short for San Jose Sharks. On LGF it’s Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

894 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:13:57pm

re: #892 Bagua

Thanks

895 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:14:00pm

re: #852 rsquare

Oh noes, I got a GAZE and a YAWN too.

Do you have anything of interest to add, or are you just on some sort of hate-fest here?

896 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:14:03pm

Aha. Second shooter. Well, then we’re back to JS again.

897 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:14:28pm

Roger that. Thank you.

898 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:14:39pm

re: #873 rsquare

Are you a thread police cadet?

Actually- we all are. The community around here polices itself much better than back when you commented in 2002 forward. We have report buttons so we can alert Stinky and the Monitor Lizards there is a problem, and many lizards are known to speak out against trolls and mobys. We are not ashamed to be “cadets” so I’m not sure why you’re trying to smear people for fact checking asses, and calling out bullsh*t.

899 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:14:54pm

re: #830 WindUpBird

it looks like this Hasan person had never even been deployed before. and CNN/MSNBC were turning this into an issue of troop deployment. that doesnt outrage you??? come on.

I remember you from the other night and the gay marriage debate and I remember we agreed on that. I guess it’s a testament to the LGF readership that on another issue we are on such different pages.

900 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:14:59pm

re: #873 rsquare

Why thin skin?
I was just asking if there was a whole thread police force, or just freelancres?

Are you a thread police cadet?

unless you and your 130+ comments since you have been here have anything meaningful to add here in the middle of this tragedy I would shut the hell up and stand down…Many of us have had children and love ones serve in the Military and quite frankly aren’t interested in your piss ass comments right now..
Stand down and go back to wherever you came from…
I’m serious pal…Shut up now

901 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:15:10pm

re: #883 Thanos

Will this work — up at the top, there’s a link to “Rampage…” etc.

902 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:16:11pm

re: #884 rsquare

I’m going to be banned?

well you’re ratting yourself out pretty good…whatever happens is self inflicted

903 brookly red  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:16:23pm

re: #882 Spare O’Lake

There was a second shooter, according to a military spokesperson Christopher Hogue (sic) now being interviewed on CNN. Military news conference in 5 minutes.

if true that changes everything

904 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:16:46pm

re: #812 Walter L. Newton

Seriously, your upset that I just put this mass murderer down.. by saying the “Psychiatrist needs a Psychiatrist” ..

//and you did say “him”

905 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:16:53pm

re: #872 Sheepdogess

Unless it was your hero son/daughter, husband/wife, brother/sister, father/mother, friend who was brutilly murdered today.

I hope you and yours are safe tonight.

Humanity sucks.

Just some of it Sheepdogess…

Sorry, but the picture reminds me of what I have to be thankful for.

My son deployed from Hood to Iraq last February for his second tour and told me today that his re-enlistment papers finally went through.

As a 11B he’s been in the middle of the shit everyday and so far been safe.
I’m very thankful for that and I’m overwhelmed with sorrow for the families of the soldiers that POS murdered.

906 saik0max0r  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:17:08pm

Based on the evidence, this was a highly premeditated act of terrorism: It occurred in an environment where mass casualties would be a given, likely using weapons from a personal arsenal. The suspect appears to be highly educated and ideologically driven… I just don’t see an officer doing this any other way.

Let’s just hope he was a self activated jihadibot and not the networked kind.

I bet Obama will hasten his pull out in Afghanistan, Iraq, and will start an immediate withdrawal from Texas… seeing as the military build up there is obviously creating more terrorists.

907 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:17:19pm

re: #884 rsquare

I’m going to be banned?

You already asked to have your account deleted because you don’t like me.

908 simoom  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:17:24pm

Personally, I was impressed by what the cousin did.

He clearly was concerned his relation was going to be pigeon-holed as an Islamic radical (a kind of foreign threat from within) and used to tar the entire Muslim-American community, so early in the development of the media narrative, he called in and spoke to the largest and most cynical audience he could find - the Fox News viewership.

He stressed that his cousin was born in America, attended American schools and wanted to serve his country by joining the military (over the objections of his parents). He said his cousin was disenchanted with the war effort after the stories he was hearing, in his capacity as a psychiatrist, from returning war veterans and that his greatest fear was to be deployed. He did mention harassment but quickly added it in no way excused what he had done.

Major Malik Nadal Hasan was a murderer who went on a killing spree. I’ve yet to see evidence that he was also a religious extremist. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that all I’ve seen is speculation.

909 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:17:48pm

re: #765 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

So many pissers. So little rope.

910 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:18:11pm

re: #877 Bagua

All the good stuff has been used up.

911 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:18:17pm

From twitter, according to the AP:

RT @FtHoodShootings: Fort Hood suspect drew attention of authorities 6 mos. ago for Internet posts, according to the AP.

912 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:18:19pm

re: #884 rsquare

I’m going to be banned?

Not unless you want to be…you’ve been needlessly antagonistic tonight, which doesn’t sit well with most of us.

913 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:18:28pm

SJS isn’t very likely if there’s a second shooter now is it?re: #896 enoughalready

Aha. Second shooter. Well, then we’re back to JS again.

No, SJS is a lone guy who pops. This looks more like a planned terror event if there’s an accomplice.

914 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:18:45pm

re: #906 saik0max0r

That’s quite the last paragraph.

915 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:18:56pm
916 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:19:06pm

re: #913 Thanos

SJS isn’t very likely if there’s a second shooter now is it?

No, SJS is a lone guy who pops. This looks more like a planned terror event if there’s an accomplice.

JS. Just Jihadi Syndrome.

917 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:19:24pm

What is it about a thread like this that attracts trolls?

918 jones  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:19:36pm

Can anyone CCW on a base? Could the second shooter be return fire?

919 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:19:43pm

re: #906 saik0max0r

WTF @ your last paragraph.

920 rwmofo  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:19:49pm

Well, gotta softball game and beer to drink.

Buenos dildos ya’ll.

921 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:19:54pm

re: #898 Sharmuta

Thanks.

922 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:20:12pm

re: #904 Werewolf_in_Florida

Seriously, your upset that I just put this mass murderer down.. by saying the “Psychiatrist needs a Psychiatrist” ..

//and you did say “him”

You’re not addressing my comments on purpose, you know what I have said, you know my position, your are being dishonest by avoiding the subject and making vague and useless comebacks.

We are done.

Gaze.

923 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:20:26pm

re: #899 rollwave87

it looks like this Hasan person had never even been deployed before. and CNN/MSNBC were turning this into an issue of troop deployment. that doesnt outrage you??? come on.

I remember you from the other night and the gay marriage debate and I remember we agreed on that. I guess it’s a testament to the LGF readership that on another issue we are on such different pages.

It does outrage me. I said so! If you read what I said, I actually said the Fox News tack makes more sense. I just hate Fox News because in general they’re yellow journalism garbage. If you read my exchange with Funky Chicken, I made it pretty clear that I am in general disgusted with cable news. I don’t like Fox, I don’t like MSNBC, I don’t like CNN. I do not like Green Eggs and Ham, I do not like them, Sam I am.

I do not believe anyone should tie their political affiliation to a cable news network. Cable news in general is garbage. Sometimes it’s fun garbage, but it’s garbage. Just because the garbage is being marketed to your demographic, doesn’t mean you should accept it.

Honestly, read what I’ve said upthread. I think we’re on the same page.

924 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:20:27pm

re: #907 Sharmuta

No, I asked that stinky go back and look at what I’ve said here, and if I’ve ever said anything worthy of banning. I haven’t. I just don’t agree with anything you, or several other poster here say. It’s not like I’m nodroG or anything.

925 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:20:28pm

re: #917 Charles

What is it about a thread like this that attracts trolls?

STS…there is no expanation

926 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:20:29pm

re: #884 rsquare

I’m going to be banned?

You have already had one comment disappear into the ether, one suspects the rest are not long for this virtual world.

927 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:20:44pm

re: #917 Charles

It’s a perfect troll storm.

928 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:20:53pm

re: #900 HoosierHoops

Many of us have had children and love ones serve in the Military and quite frankly aren’t interested in your piss ass comments right now..


Thanks for that. It’s a shame that horrific murders like this immediately bring out the public wankers and violent revenge fantasists.

929 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:21:08pm

re: #924 rsquare

Your flounce was deleted.

930 Werewolf_in_Florida  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:21:22pm

re: #922 Walter L. Newton

You didn’t go into a logical debate of the supernatural, you simply put this man down with snide and bigoted remarks.

Yes, you are a bigot, when you use terms like that, when you peg people like him with terms like that, that’s bigoted.

You don’t know anything about this person, yet you dismiss him with “invisible people” and “Psychiatrist needs a Psychiatrist.”

Your words… not mine

931 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:21:26pm

Am I really THAT unusual in that I violently distrust ALL cable news?

932 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:21:50pm

re: #917 Charles

I’m a troll?
I downdinged what Sharmutra had to say because I didn’t agree.
I thought that’s what the upding/downding was for.

933 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:22:20pm

re: #917 Charles

What is it about a thread like this that attracts trolls?

I don’t know Charles..There are literally thousands of family and friends in tears and mourning tonight.. My heart is broken in grief..
And trolls come out to play

934 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:22:30pm

re: #924 rsquare

No, I asked that stinky go back and look at what I’ve said here, and if I’ve ever said anything worthy of banning. I haven’t. I just don’t agree with anything you, or several other poster here say. It’s not like I’m nodroG or anything.

nothing, no credit ever?…you are a crackpot, nothing nearly as special as you think you are

935 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:22:49pm

re: #870 Thanos

One of the things I’m curious about is whether or not his parents might have been Baathists. Today was the day Sadaam Hussein received a sentence of death.

huh

936 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:23:24pm

hmmm…seems that the Press Conference is under some delay…

937 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:23:24pm

re: #932 rsquare

I’m a troll?
I downdinged what Sharmutra had to say because I didn’t agree.
I thought that’s what the upding/downding was for.

You prevaricate.

938 saik0max0r  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:23:33pm

re: #919 Varek Raith

JOKE PEOPLE! Apologies if I’ve offended your sensibilities.

939 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:24:14pm

re: #938 saik0max0r

JOKE PEOPLE! Apologies if I’ve offended your sensibilities.

Sarc tags are your friend. ;)

940 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:24:16pm

re: #938 saik0max0r

JOKE PEOPLE! Apologies if I’ve offended your sensibilities.

There’s an invention for that. Just below your right pinky.

941 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:24:54pm

re: #909 Alouette

So many pissers. So little rope.

Plenty of rope, it’s the pissing that comes up short.

942 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:24:54pm

re: #932 rsquare

I’ll go get the grill ready. Charles is about to clean house.

943 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:25:05pm

re: #931 WindUpBird

Am I really THAT unusual in that I violently distrust ALL cable news?

Well, we could both be weirdos, I guess. But, the guy on Shep Smith sounds legit, unfortunately.

944 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:25:35pm

re: #908 simoom

Personally, I was impressed by what the cousin did.

He clearly was concerned his relation was going to be pigeon-holed as an Islamic radical (a kind of foreign threat from within) and used to tar the entire Muslim-American community, so early in the development of the media narrative, he called in and spoke to the largest and most cynical audience he could find - the Fox News viewership.

He stressed that his cousin was born in America, attended American schools and wanted to serve his country by joining the military (over the objections of his parents). He said his cousin was disenchanted with the war effort after the stories he was hearing, in his capacity as a psychiatrist, from returning war veterans and that his greatest fear was to be deployed. He did mention harassment but quickly added it in no way excused what he had done.

Major Malik Nadal Hasan was a murderer who went on a killing spree. I’ve yet to see evidence that he was also a religious extremist. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that all I’ve seen is speculation.

If the chicken fuck didn’t want to be deployed he should have shot himself, not others. And you find admirable his cousin who claims the murdering traitorous fuck was the victim of anti-Islamic hate.
I call steaming bullshit.

945 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:25:54pm

re: #931 WindUpBird

Am I really THAT unusual in that I violently distrust ALL cable news?

it’s good to be a skeptic. im watching fox news right now, and they’re doing some segment attacking the governor of kentucky for ‘killing christmas.’ its nauseating television. i know that theyre just appealing to they’re base now. im not stupid. but at the same time, there’s something about rushing to blame american military policy when a mass murder occures at fort hood that i think goes way beyond just trying to appeal to your audience.

946 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:26:04pm
947 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:26:10pm

re: #932 rsquare

I’m a troll?
I downdinged what Sharmutra had to say because I didn’t agree.
I thought that’s what the upding/downding was for.

you are a jerk…not all jerks are trolls, but all trolls are jerks

948 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:26:11pm

re: #935 funky chicken

huh

Sadaam was the prime Baathist leader, there are Baathist’s throughout the ME, but mostly they are in Iraq, Syria, and Jordan. The shooter’s parents are from Jordan. When I see a potential planned terror event I always check historic dates, this was the day that Sadaam Hussein was sentenced to death. In Iraq in past years there’s usually an uptick in incidents on this day.

949 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:26:21pm

re: #918 jones

Can anyone CCW on a base? Could the second shooter be return fire?

No. Personal weapons need to be checked into and out of the armory according to my kid.
However some will keep a weapon in their personal vehicles.

950 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:26:43pm

Interesting info. about Hasan:

He is a graduate of Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

951 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:26:59pm

re: #946 Sean

Where the hell is the bridge these posters are crawling out from under???

952 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:27:23pm

re: #874 Thanos

Don’t be ridiculous.

Whatevs.

953 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:27:33pm

re: #951 Varek Raith

Where the hell is the bridge these posters are crawling out from under???

Just outside the Gates of Vienna?

954 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:27:46pm

re: #946 Sean

I wonder if this was caused by racist republicans. What could I have done to have made him so angry? If only I understood his Islamic faith better!

not going to upding this post, but im not sure it deserves the downdings either. if you look at msnbc or cnn, he’s not far off from how the left actually thinks. as if we didnt know that already after the last 8 years.

955 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:28:13pm

re: #946 Sean

Wow, who knew there were that many trolls left from the class of 2004?

956 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:28:18pm

I wish that news conference would begin.
I think having that open is what’s causing my computer to move so slow.

957 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:28:40pm

re: #924 rsquare

You’re so vain, you probably think this thread is about you.

958 jones  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:28:44pm

re: #949 Van Helsing

Thanks, just running through scenarios.

959 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:29:06pm

re: #952 Cato the Elder

Now there’s a reply with lots of thought and content, so well worth reading.

/

960 NervyNews  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:29:16pm

Why isn’t the Ft. Hood press conference happening? What’s the delay? /nervously refreshing page

961 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:29:37pm

re: #943 funky chicken

Well, we could both be weirdos, I guess. But, the guy on Shep Smith sounds legit, unfortunately.

Oh, he may very well be. I mean in the macro sense. That there’s a sculpted narrative being broadcast. There are nuggets of “real” news in the graphics-heavy stream of cable news, of course there must be. But it’s all folded and massaged into the narrative.

But if I want real news and not infotainment, I triangulate from boring sources that don’t have video game graphics between commercial breaks. And I wait. Because ya gotta wait for it to be borne out whether the breaking news is accurate.

962 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:29:52pm

re: #957 Alouette

You’re so vain, you probably think this thread is about you.

heh…good one…he thinks he’s Mick Jagger up at Saratoga

963 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:30:06pm

re: #960 GNIDAthe#seCond

Why isn’t the Ft. Hood press conference happening? What’s the delay? /nervously refreshing page

Perhaps because they don’t want to look like they are speculating on a blog somewhere?

964 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:30:16pm
965 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:31:25pm

re: #917 Charles

What is it about a thread like this that attracts trolls?

To be quite honest and blunt/insensitive about it. Death/violence, nothing more and nothing less. These people live to revel in the misery of others. Why, I do not know, but I find it to be a disease that is rapidly spreading throughout our and other cultures. I fear for the survival of Mankind if it spreads further.

966 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:31:35pm

Jokers who don’t care how their audience receives the joke are wankers.

967 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:32:15pm

re: #964 Sean

I am a troll? Really.

I don’t think you’re a troll. not really sure why everyone’s jumping all over you. a few years ago your post would’ve gotten more updings than the number of downdings its gotten now.

is saying that the liberal response to terrorism is the whole ‘religion of peace’ line really that controversial?

968 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:32:16pm

re: #964 Sean

How else is one to interpret your previous post?
/rhetorical

969 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:32:54pm
970 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:32:57pm

re: #945 rollwave87

it’s good to be a skeptic. im watching fox news right now, and they’re doing some segment attacking the governor of kentucky for ‘killing christmas.’ its nauseating television. i know that theyre just appealing to they’re base now. im not stupid. but at the same time, there’s something about rushing to blame american military policy when a mass murder occures at fort hood that i think goes way beyond just trying to appeal to your audience.

Nobody can kill Christmas! It cannot be destroyed by any craft a mortal can wield. It’s actually spreading further, if you ask me. There are only 250 shopping days left!

But yeah, man, we’re in agreement here. The rushing to blame american military policy is scummy yellow journalism that’s meant to confirm suspicions of the audience. They’re in the business of selling advertisements.

When the smoke clears, it may wind up that this guy was planning this as a terrorism act. Or it could be that he snapped, went Postal and the case has more to do with VA Tech or Columbine. But for now, we wait and see.

971 enoughalready  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:33:15pm

re: #966 jaunte

Jokers who don’t care how their audience receives the joke are wankers.

“It was just a joke” is the pathetic excuse of someone who wouldn’t know a joke if it bit them in their ample posterior.

972 Sergeant Major  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:33:57pm

His rank is irrelevant… the bottom line is.. he is fucking murderer. Other than that I am at a loss for words.
If he had been deployed prior and was upset about going back there is a fix for that it’s called resigning your commission. As for him having PTSD give me a fucking break.

Sorry for all of the F bombs.

973 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:34:07pm

re: #946 Sean

I wonder if this was caused by racist republicans. […]

Troll comment slipping in a gratuitous swipe at the blogs subjects.

974 NervyNews  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:34:10pm

Is the press conference at Ft. Hood cancelled? Seems like all the reporters left.

975 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:34:24pm

re: #957 Alouette

I got attacked before I was through reading the thread.
I downdinged Sharmuta because I didn’t agree with what she said.

My 1st post was going to be:

“24 hour rule applies here more than ever”

but I never got a chance to say that before Sharmuta noticed that I was downdinging her and commented on that:

639 Sharmuta Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:20pm replyquote

* 2
* down
* up
* favorite
* report

rsquare seems to have a ding obsession.

976 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #968 Varek Raith

How else is one to interpret your previous post?
/rhetorical

SARCASM.

Although this is not the thread for sarcasm or jokes.

977 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:35:45pm

re: #964 Sean

I am a troll? Really.

It’s sort of a rough thread to be getting your cuties off in. Context is important when you’re being sarcastic about a mass murder.

978 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:35:48pm

re: #972 Sergeant Major

His rank is irrelevant… the bottom line is.. he is fucking murderer. Other than that I am at a loss for words.
If he had been deployed prior and was upset about going back there is a fix for that it’s called resigning your commission. As for him having PTSD give me a fucking break.

Sorry for all of the F bombs.

Agreed, especially since the only way the services can keep Dr’s for any length of time is to promote them so they get a pay grade nearer what civilian Dr’s make.

979 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:36:43pm

re: #976 Racer X

SARCASM.

Although this is not the thread for sarcasm or jokes.

Sorry, even if it was sarcasm (which I don’t buy), then I’d still ding down that post.

980 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:36:51pm

re: #975 rsquare

I got attacked before I was through reading the thread.
I downdinged Sharmuta because I didn’t agree with what she said.

My 1st post was going to be:

“24 hour rule applies here more than ever”

but I never got a chance to say that before Sharmuta noticed that I was downdinging her and commented on that:

639 Sharmuta Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:29:20pm replyquote

* 2
* down
* up
* favorite
* report

rsquare seems to have a ding obsession.

get it through your head…nobody gives a fuck about you…you dismiss posters for no rational reason…

981 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:36:52pm

re: #976 Racer X

SARCASM.

Although this is not the thread for sarcasm or jokes.

agreed and agreed. did people downding that auburn guys post because they thought he was being serious? im confused now. i guess i should just butt out lol.

982 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:37:24pm

re: #905 Van Helsing

I too, have a kid in the military. God bless you and yours.

983 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:37:35pm

re: #980 albusteve

get it through your head…nobody gives a fuck about you…you dismiss posters for no rational reason…

Then why do you keep attacking me?

984 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:37:53pm

re: #975 rsquare

Should we call the whaaambulance for you?

You dinged me down on some pretty innocuous comments- I thought it was obsessive. Sure enough, you post you don’t like me. Whatever- enjoy nursing your grudge.

985 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:37:54pm
986 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:38:05pm

re: #975 rsquare

Quit whining.

987 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:38:27pm

He walked into the party, like he was walking on to a yacht..

988 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:38:30pm

re: #983 rsquare

Then why do you keep attacking me?

because I don’t like you and the thread is dead…

989 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:38:40pm

re: #982 Sheepdogess

I would wager that most here have friends/family in the military.
I’m sure they appreciate your prayers.

990 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:38:55pm

re: #985 Sean

Yes. It now seems that we may not have such opinions.

Stop whining.

991 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:39:25pm

re: #972 Sergeant Major

His rank is irrelevant… the bottom line is.. he is fucking murderer. Other than that I am at a loss for words.
If he had been deployed prior and was upset about going back there is a fix for that it’s called resigning your commission. As for him having PTSD give me a fucking break.

Sorry for all of the F bombs.

Amen Sir..My son was in 1st platoon 3/5 Marines…True grunts and warriors
I’m sure they really didn’t want to put down Fallujah.. They faced death every minute of the day.. They sure as hell weren’t shrinks crying about hanging out in the green zone…F*ck him.
Hail our Heros

992 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:40:22pm

re: #982 Sheepdogess

Thank you, and the same to you ma’am.

993 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:41:19pm

First video by soldier journalists inside Fort Hood.

video.ap.org

994 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:41:28pm

I’m still curious about the third suspect detained, and whether or not there were two shooters.

995 Mauser  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:41:43pm

Shep just reported that the Major made a blog post 6 months ago comparing suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on grenades.

Make of that what you will.

996 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:42:01pm

re: #994 Thanos

It appears to have just been a single shooter. There were 2 detained, and later released.

997 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:43:20pm

CNN:
He targeted people he knew.
He had been watched 6 months previously for posting on the internet about suicide bombing.

Sounds like a lovely fellow.
*spitting blood*

998 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:43:42pm

re: #995 Mauser

Shep just reported that the Major made a blog post 6 months ago comparing suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on grenades.

Make of that what you will.

If true, that is seriously fucked up. This guy is deranged.

999 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:43:55pm

re: #995 Mauser

Shep just reported that the Major made a blog post 6 months ago comparing suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on grenades.

Make of that what you will.

From twitter, it seems they are still trying to confirm he was the author of that blog.

1000 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:43:58pm

re: #996 Pepper Fox

It appears to have just been a single shooter. There were 2 detained, and later released.

Yes but someone upthread said that there was a news conference coming up and that there was a third suspect detained?

1001 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:44:24pm

re: #983 rsquare

Then why do you keep attacking me?

You’ve been working on your martyr cookie for sometime this evening…if you want to stay here, chill out and STFU for a while.

1003 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:44:34pm

Also the AP vid above is labeled “Dual attacks”

1004 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:44:57pm

re: #1002 Bagua

Looks like the news conference at Ft. Hood is about to start

Been hearing that for an hour now.

1005 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:45:02pm

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1006 Sean  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:45:29pm

OK. Here’s the non-sarcastic opinion:

This was a religiously-inspired attack. The killer did it for his version of a God-image. His belief system told him this was a good way to go to an afterlife of pleasure. He may have had helpers. Islam inspires many such behaviors. The cousin may be engaging in taqqiyah(sic) which is an Islamic belief that deliberate lying to a kaffir(sic) [non-believer & enemy] is permissible to forward the expansion of the religion.

Occams razor seems to support me at this point in time.

1007 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:45:51pm

re: #1003 Thanos

Have to wait for the Press Conference…hugely conflicting reports…they contradict each other every other minute…first it’s 3 arrested, then no, it’s two arrested, then it’s 2 were released, one held; then all released, etc.

1008 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:46:31pm

re: #964 Sean

I am a troll? Really.

Let it go already, dweeb, the thread is not about you.
BTW, trolls often try to hijack threads.

1009 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:46:41pm
1010 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:46:59pm

Evening lizards. I heard about the shocking murder rampage and I am at a loss for words. I was at a customer’s house when he told me. The first thing I told him was it sounded like something the NJ Six were planning.

God help those poor victims. May the Islamic shithead who killed those people burn in Hell.

1011 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:47:37pm

re: #1009 Sean

Hey, just downding me so I feel the sting!

fuck you and your ding sensitivity

1012 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:47:40pm

re: #996 Pepper Fox

It appears to have just been a single shooter. There were 2 detained, and later released.

Reports of there being at least a third guy detained at present. Also interesting that some on site reported automatic weapons fire evidently. That is certainly distinct from pistol shots.

1013 allegro  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:48:11pm

re: #1006 Sean

This was a religiously-inspired attack. The killer did it for his version of a God-image. His belief system told him this was a good way to go to an afterlife of pleasure. He may have had helpers. Islam inspires many such behaviors. The cousin may be engaging in taqqiyah(sic) which is an Islamic belief that deliberate lying to a kaffir(sic) [non-believer & enemy] is permissible to forward the expansion of the religion.

With no factual support for any of it at this point.

Occams razor seems to support me at this point in time.

Occams razor isn’t what I’d call it.

1014 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:48:34pm

I suggest we do not validate the “dialog” of some on this thread by simply ignoring them.

1015 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:48:35pm

re: #1012 The Shadow Do

Well I haven’t heard the 3rd suspect but I just spent an hour at the grocery store. As for the automatic weapon fire, that was probably the shooter getting gunned down by SWAT.

1016 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:48:38pm

re: #1004 reine.de.tout

Mike check at the moment. Lots of reporters gathering, sitting on the ground.

1017 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:49:03pm

re: #1012 The Shadow Do

Reports of there being at least a third guy detained at present. Also interesting that some on site reported automatic weapons fire evidently. That is certainly distinct from pistol shots.

one guy can’t do that much damage without pretty good shooting and reloading…there has to be more to it imo

1018 Sean  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:49:05pm

re: #1011 albusteve

At a loss for really expressive words?

1019 saik0max0r  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:49:42pm

Cracking morbid jokes is one thing, but IMHO it’s sanitized political media commentary that make me shudder.

“…a horrific outburst of violence…” “Our hearts go out…”

Like it was some accidental car wreck rather than what it truly was, a ruthless assault on our military personnel. I know all the pols use this sort of passive voice lingo (it’s not ODS.. step away from the ding button. Yes, you. ) but the narrative isn’t inspiring.

Anyway, I’ll keep it brief and won’t go into my long rant on their constant misuse of the word ‘Tragedy’ .. I’ll save that for a later date.

1020 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:50:18pm

re: #997 Spare O’Lake

CNN:
He targeted people he knew.
He had been watched 6 months previously for posting on the internet about suicide bombing.

Sounds like a lovely fellow.
*spitting blood*

Well, if it’s the post comparing suicide bombers to American soldiers throwing themselves atop grenades I have one recommendation for the military command: zero tolerance. No being watched for 6 months or whatever. Perform the required investigation and boot them out of the military period and ASAP.

1021 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:50:43pm

re: #1006 Sean

That’s nothing but speculation on your part. We have no idea at this point what inspired him to attack.

1022 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:51:01pm

re: #1018 Sean

At a loss for really expressive words?

not at all…what can you contribute?…spit it out, if you don’t like me just say so…you want another thread?…you want attention?

1023 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:52:25pm

This has all the markings of Jihad.

1024 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:52:45pm

re: #1021 Sharmuta

(there have been hints — CNN’s Campbell Brown noted that the shooter was under observation due to Internet postings…he was being watched for some radical statements…but, again, have to wait.)

1025 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:53:10pm

re: #1023 Racer X

This has all the markings of Jihad.

Lots of indicators that direction, but 24 hr rule is a good one.

1026 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:53:14pm

re: #1023 Racer X

This has all the markings of Jihad.

maybe…it’s only fair to get all the facts first tho

1027 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:53:30pm

re: #1023 Racer X

This has all the markings of Jihad.

The first thing I thought of was Sudden Jihad Syndrome. This was before they identified the shooter.

1028 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:53:50pm
1029 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:54:15pm

re: #1027 NJDhockeyfan

My first thought was White KKK winger racist…

1030 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:54:41pm

re: #1025 Thanos

Lots of indicators that direction, but 24 hr rule is a good one.

Agreed. We’ll know more in a few days. There is lots of speculation floating around and the majority of it is on Jihad.

1031 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:54:48pm

re: #1015 Pepper Fox

Well I haven’t heard the 3rd suspect but I just spent an hour at the grocery store. As for the automatic weapon fire, that was probably the shooter getting gunned down by SWAT.

Definitely wait and see time. The source fora possible third person being detained was Senator Hutchison, I believe. She has been in touch with base officials throughout the day.

1032 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:55:54pm

re: #1020 Gus 802

Well, if it’s the post comparing suicide bombers to American soldiers throwing themselves atop grenades I have one recommendation for the military command: zero tolerance. No being watched for 6 months or whatever. Perform the required investigation and boot them out of the military period and ASAP.

Very possible his complaints about ‘harassment’ were due to the attention from this investigation. As someone on CNN just said, it’s hard to believe that junior soldiers ‘harassed’ him, and the idea that his fellow officers would harass him is unlikely, too.

1033 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:55:55pm

re: #1028 Sean

Because people who think they are omniscient mind readers and who state their opinion as fact usually have unrecoverable biases. A modifier of “Probably” and I wouldn’t have dinged you upthread for instance. You could very well be right, but it doesn’t make you less biased or less of an ass.

1034 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:56:22pm
1035 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:56:52pm

Seems to be a good roundup of events here, NY Times.

1036 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:56:59pm

re: #1028 Sean

I didn’t say I was offended, did I? I also don’t watch television, so you’re little insult about where I get my information was wasted. It’s possible his religion did play a role. It’s possible it was something else. We’ll know more in the coming days and weeks, but you go on and demonize his faith.

1037 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:57:34pm

re: #577 J.S.

that’s not how it works. If you’re a Psychiatrist (note that’s not the same as being a Psychologist), you have first a medical license — that means you’re an M.D. then, you go on to specialize in the field of Psychiatry…then, you get some added initials after the MD designation.

Actually, I heard a report that he was an osteopath before psychiatry…

1038 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:58:10pm

re: #1037 really grumpy big dog johnson

Actually, I heard a report that he was an osteopath before psychiatry…

Yeah, his cert for PTSD stuff just was given this year

1039 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:58:20pm

re: #975 rsquare

I’ll bet you think this thread is about you.
Don’t you? Don’t you?

1040 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:58:21pm

re: #1028 Sean

How about you stick to the story and stop pitching insults at Sharmuta? You’re not going to make any headway attacking her, all you’re going to do is spike the meter:

1041 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:58:23pm
1042 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:58:50pm

re: #1036 Sharmuta

I didn’t say I was offended, did I? I also don’t watch television, so you’re little insult about where I get my information was wasted. It’s possible his religion did play a role. It’s possible it was something else. We’ll know more in the coming days and weeks, but you go on and demonize his faith.

What Sean seems to be missing is that his posts have the hint that his actions are the inevitable result of his faith. If that’s not what he means, he should make it clear.

1043 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:58:51pm

re: #1036 Sharmuta

I’m trying not to jump in here, and doing a poor job.

I do not think “Jihad” has anything to do with “Faith”.

1044 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59:09pm

re: #1028 Sean

You don’t. I do. Why is it so offensive to believe that this monster acted from his belief system? Garbage in = garbage out.

But if you must assume that it’s all as CNN tells you…enjoy.

I assume CNN, MSNBC and Fox are mostly garbage. I assume what you say is mostly garbage too. I mean, why actually wait for real news when you can make it up, right?

I have a lot of art supplies here, I could loan them to you and you could make up your own chyrons and news graphics. Maybe doctor some photographs… it’ll be fun!

1045 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59:16pm

re: #1041 Sean

oh, so it’s a conspiracy now, I get it.

1046 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59:18pm

re: #1037 really grumpy big dog johnson

Really? wow…(I’d merely heard from a CNN report that he got his MD license in Virginia…)

1047 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59:33pm

re: #1032 Dreader1962

Very possible his complaints about ‘harassment’ were due to the attention from this investigation. As someone on CNN just said, it’s hard to believe that junior soldiers ‘harassed’ him, and the idea that his fellow officers would harass him is unlikely, too.

It is hard to believe that his junior were harassing him. I wonder if he filed official complaints and if so we may be hearing about them in the coming weeks. As others have mentioned this is a rather confusing event. I also read that he was under treatment for alcoholism and received a poor review in recent months.

1048 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59:45pm

re: #1041 Sean

Experience creates bias. I haven’t been an “Ass”. I haven’t done anything wrong. The MSM is sanitizing the facts.

No, you’ve been a bit of an ass here. Perception is everything.

1049 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 5:59:46pm

re: #1043 Racer X

Read 1028.

1050 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:00:21pm

re: #1043 Racer X

I’m trying not to jump in here, and doing a poor job.

I do not think “Jihad” has anything to do with “Faith”.

It does if your Muslim obviously.

1051 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:00:22pm

re: #1023 Racer X

This has all the markings of Jihad.

The officials, who had access to Hasan’s military record, said he received a poor performance evaluation while at Walter Reed.
The Virginia-born soldier was single with no children.

Obviously, married with children is a better risk.

///

1052 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:01:04pm
1053 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:01:12pm

re: #1050 The Shadow Do

It does if your Muslim obviously.

Dammit, it’s “you’re”, not “your.”

1054 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:01:15pm

The asshole had never been deployed, so how could he have been suffering from post combat stress?
And the bugger was a Major, so what is this bullshit about harassment?
Trying not to jump to conclusions, but these lame theories have the ring of a certain vaguely familiar victim mentality…

1055 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:01:28pm
1056 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:01:50pm

re: #1051 solomonpanting

And, here I thought it was having an XY pair (with that little piece missing from the Y chromosome.)

1057 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:02:04pm

re: #1055 Sean

Excuse me. GIGO referred to the idiot shooter’s belief system causing his behavior.
Wow.

Why so quick to defend a religion?

Why so quick to condemn a religion?

1058 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:02:29pm

re: #1020 Gus 802

I wonder if they are so stretched that the sort of immediate discharge isn’t available. Also, there is a lot of bureaucracy, chain of command in place. With the extra strain on the military, they should consider quicker interventions. I think they are trying. I admire Sec. Gates a huge amount.

1059 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:02:59pm

re: #1055 Sean

Why so quick to defend a religion?

Because your position is based on nothing but speculation. Maybe you should try Jihad Watch- it might be more to your liking.

1060 captdiggs  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:03:03pm

Hasan stated to fellow co-workers that “muslims should rise up”
breitbart.tv


This wasn’t just someone gone postal.

1061 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:03:17pm

re: #1055 Sean

Excuse me. GIGO referred to the idiot shooter’s belief system causing his behavior.
Wow.

Why so quick to defend a religion?

Why so quick to attack a religion instead of the perp?

1062 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:03:29pm

re: #1055 Sean

Excuse me. GIGO referred to the idiot shooter’s belief system causing his behavior.
Wow.

Why so quick to defend a religion?

Oh, gosh, I don’t know. Because I’m not a dick? And there’s a billion Muslims in the world, and I’m not okay with tarring them all because of one murderer?

1063 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:03:43pm

re: #1054 Spare O’Lake

The asshole had never been deployed, so how could he have been suffering from post combat stress?
And the bugger was a Major, so what is this bullshit about harassment?
Trying not to jump to conclusions, but these lame theories have the ring of a certain vaguely familiar victim mentality…

What I read was that having treated people for PTSD, he knew how bad it could be and didnt want to put himself in a situation where he may end up sufferening PTSD.

See the 8:17 update here

1064 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:04:12pm

re: #1053 WindUpBird

Dammit, it’s “you’re”, not “your.”

Shamed I am (old English major here too).

1065 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:04:23pm
1066 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:04:33pm

re: #1055 Sean

Excuse me. GIGO referred to the idiot shooter’s belief system causing his behavior.
Wow.

Why so quick to defend a religion?

Consider this…

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.

Now… go into the bathroom… now turn on the light… now look in mirror… surprise!

1067 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:04:39pm

I’m not a big Shepard Smith fan but I think he did an excellent job interviewing the murderer’s cousin.

1068 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:05:38pm

re: #1065 Sean

re: #1065 Sean

Goodbye.

1069 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:05:39pm

re: #1063 reine.de.tout

What I read was that having treated people for PTSD, he knew how bad it could be and didnt want to put himself in a situation where he may end up sufferening PTSD.

See the 8:17 update here

I’d say that was tenuous. It appears he was in practice for less than a year. I don’t believe it was ‘second-hand PTSD’ (if there is such a thing). I also don’t believe it was because he was afraid of being deployed - I mean, what he did was certain to bring about his death.

1070 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:05:59pm

Found a quote of what Nidal Hasan posted on the internet:

Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree?

Posted by Steve Huff, Nov 5, 2009

SNIP

Regarding the content of the document, “NidalHasan” wrote the following:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

SNIP

1071 Bloodnok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:06:02pm

re: #1065 Sean

Aww, the obligatory “Those were the days, my freind” post.

1072 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:06:14pm

someone on Larry King is saying there’s another suspect who may have assisted…

1073 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:06:19pm

re: #1069 Dreader1962

I’d say that was tenuous. It appears he was in practice for less than a year. I don’t believe it was ‘second-hand PTSD’ (if there is such a thing). I also don’t believe it was because he was afraid of being deployed - I mean, what he did was certain to bring about his death.

Oh, I put no faith in that explanation. I just was pointing out what his cousin said.

1074 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:06:22pm

re: #1065 Sean

LGF, it’s everything it never used to be.

Evolution.

Try it.

1075 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:06:23pm

re: #1065 Sean

Just flounce if you are going to, you know you’d rather be at Atlas Shrieks

1076 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:06:54pm

No one has yet sorted out if this was a terrorist incident or not…(could go either way).

1077 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:07:16pm

Pining for the good old days of Bigel and Minigun.
Image: stop-whining.jpg

1078 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:07:20pm

re: #1055 Sean

Excuse me. GIGO referred to the idiot shooter’s belief system causing his behavior.
Wow.

Why so quick to defend a religion?

why are you so quick to make your unfounded assumptions?…we are trying to be fair, are you?

1079 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:08:04pm

re: #1065 Sean

LGF, it’s everything it never used to be.

Why are you even here? Seriously. I know you think you’re very perceptive and intelligent so why don’t you ask yourself, why am I here?

1080 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:08:14pm

re: #1060 captdiggs

Hasan stated to fellow co-workers that “muslims should rise up”
[Link: www.breitbart.tv…]

This wasn’t just someone gone postal.

This isn’t news, this is my conjecture, my wacky idea: What if he went CRAZY and because he was CRAZY he started to go HRLGBLRG JIHAD and went on a rampage?

Sorta like how there are crazy people who are Christians, who fold hallucinations about Jesus into their actions and motivations? We don’t blame Christianity itself for every crazy person who believes Jesus is their savior and commits murder. Because that would make no sense.

What I am seeing is a reluctance to acknowledge that crazy people can easily take on the mantle of religious extremism and terrorism…because they’ve gone crazy. I have met these people. My friends and I have worked with these people. I may have this perspective because of my mental health care employment in the past. But there it is.

1081 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:09:06pm

re: #1065 Sean

Flounce!

1082 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:09:47pm

rsquare likes Sean. That’s so sweet.

1083 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:10:04pm

re: #1077 jaunte

Pining for the good old days of Bigel and Minigun.
[Link: samkerr.files.wordpress.com…]

I just wish I would have been here to read the Minigun meltdown as it happened. Even reading the archive was hilarious. Meant even more because I ran into those types in the Army every so often.

Do you have a link to the Bigel thread? I could use a laugh.

1084 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:10:05pm
1085 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:10:17pm

Time to call it a night. Perhaps in the oncoming hours we will learn more about todays tragic events, perhaps not. Until then L8R

1086 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:10:23pm

The Nidal Hasan post is still up at SCRIBD.

Dated 05/20/2009.

1087 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:10:42pm

re: #1080 WindUpBird

Someone at CNN suggested that the Shooter (this is all speculation, of course) may have been suffering from PTSD, Depression, etc., then turned to his religion…and been recruited into a radical strain.

1088 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:10:53pm

re: #1070 Gus 802

Found a quote of what Nidal Hasan posted on the internet:

Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree?

Posted by Steve Huff, Nov 5, 2009

Not yet certain that was the same Nidal Hasan.

1089 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:11:10pm

re: #1083 Dreader1962

Bigel wasn’t much fun. Mostly he wanted to nuke all of Europe in revenge for the Holocaust.

1090 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:11:53pm

Christ, the poor families…

1091 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:03pm

re: #1082 bosforus

rsquare likes Sean. That’s so sweet.

It’s a regular troll tango tonight.

1092 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:07pm

Shooter was making online threats for at least six months and the FBI knew The Associated Press reports:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

Looks like this time the FBI did not move fast enough, or perhaps they just failed to treat it seriously enough. Damn.

1093 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:11pm

re: #703 rsquare

just because I don’t like you doesn’t mean I go to those stalker blogs, ask Charles if I do.

What?

1094 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:26pm

re: #1089 jaunte

Bigel wasn’t much fun. Mostly he wanted to nuke all of Europe in revenge for the Holocaust.

now that he is long gone…Bigel was a major asshole

1095 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:27pm

re: #1060 captdiggs

Hasan stated to fellow co-workers that “muslims should rise up”
[Link: www.breitbart.tv…]

This wasn’t just someone gone postal.

Agreed. Check this out.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

1096 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:33pm

re: #1088 Bagua

Not yet certain that was the same Nidal Hasan.

True. But I wonder if the Army ever verified that if it was ever investigated.

1097 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:42pm

re: #1087 J.S.

Someone at CNN suggested that the Shooter (this is all speculation, of course) may have been suffering from PTSD, Depression, etc., then turned to his religion…and been recruited into a radical strain.

Take all cable news with lots of salt, and editorial comments with salt as well. But it’s true that mental illness puts people in a position to do terrible things, and that sometimes the mental illness can be disguised. Happens all the time.

1098 captdiggs  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:57pm

re: #1062 WindUpBird

Oh, gosh, I don’t know. Because I’m not a dick? And there’s a billion Muslims in the world, and I’m not okay with tarring them all because of one murderer?

Sorry, but there were a lot of good Germans in Germany in the 1930s also.
It didn’t mean that there wasn’t something bad emanating from Germany.
Pretending that Islam has no bearing on the global terror and mass murder emanating from those of that religion is naive.

1099 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:14:03pm

Jihad is the elephant in the room no one wants to admit I guess.

It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the reports in a restaurant today. Reading through Charles’ posts I still thought that. As I learned his identity I thought ‘yep’. Then I learned of his post on suicide and soldiers.

I am 90% certain this was Jihad.

I could be wrong.

1100 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:14:17pm

Fort Hood presser is about to start.

1101 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:14:18pm

Conference now starting up

1102 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:14:49pm
1103 Kilroy  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:14:57pm

re: #1097 WindUpBird
Was that the same reason for a war in 1967?

1104 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:08pm
1105 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:12pm

He’s alive.

1106 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:14pm

Single shooter, still alive

1107 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:16pm

Shooter in custody!

1108 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:17pm

re: #1098 captdiggs

Sorry, but there were a lot of good Germans in Germany in the 1930s also.
It didn’t mean that there wasn’t something bad emanating from Germany.
Pretending that Islam has no bearing on the global terror and mass murder emanating from those of that religion is naive.

This is going to become my standard boilerplate for these type of comments…

Consider this…

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.

Now… go into the bathroom… now turn on the light… now look in mirror… surprise!

1109 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:23pm

Shooter is alive!

1110 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:24pm

Wow- not dead!

1111 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:27pm

Holy smokes.

1112 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:27pm

He is alive.

1113 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:38pm
1114 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:41pm

PD officer alive Great news

1115 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:45pm

Shooter not dead!

1116 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:47pm

Wow! he isn’t dead

1117 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:50pm

Police woman NOT dead. Thank God.

1118 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:15:56pm

wow, he’s not dead

1119 saik0max0r  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:16:00pm

re: #1076 J.S.

What do you think it was? Com’on, throw out something you think is plausible based on available information.

“A Major ( a shrink no less!) who was afraid of deploying decides to kill a bunch of people in order to get himself killed so he wouldn’t have to deploy because of … (Does it really matter?. Srs.)”

If that is the proposed non-jihadi bot scenario?

1120 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:16:31pm

re: #1006 Sean

Let’s just wait until the authorities get the facts sorted out. And yes, I know that’s easier said than done. We spin cobwebs of speculation between the few & far between facts. Still…let’s wait.

1121 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:16:37pm

All right! Finally, the Press conference. preliminary reports say it was a single shooter. He was not killed as previously reported — not dead but in stable condition! ! Wow…Female Officer is Alive! number kiled 12, 31 injured. 3 areas focused on: wounded, security of installation, continue to operate in heightened security, focus on casualty assistance.

1122 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:16:54pm

God Bless our military.

1123 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:16:54pm

re: #1093 really grumpy big dog johnson

Charles pointed out a while ago that he knew which people had been posting on stalker blogs, and then banned them.

1124 sadhu  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:17:03pm

Wow!

1125 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:17:09pm

Single shooter, shot multiple times at the scene,… in custody and stable condition.

1126 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:17:13pm

re: #1115 The Shadow Do

Shooter not dead!

Hopefully, he will be dead after his sentence is carried out. Yes, I am advocating his lawful execution.

1127 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:17:19pm

re: #1092 ausador

Shooter was making online threats for at least six months and the FBI knew The Associated Press reports:

Looks like this time the FBI did not move fast enough, or perhaps they just failed to treat it seriously enough. Damn.

That’s huge if it’s true.

1128 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:17:20pm

good, they can get him healthy again, then put a needle in his arm in Terre Haute.

1129 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:17:34pm

Single shooter.

1130 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:17:56pm

re: #1126 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully, he will be dead after his sentence is carried out. Yes, I am advocating his lawful execution.

I wouldn’t mind if he got whacked in prison.

1131 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:02pm

Evidence indicates single shooter.

1132 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:05pm

Three were held — but single shooter.

1133 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:18pm

What is the death penalty, if any, in the military?

1134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:22pm

re: #1098 captdiggs

Sorry, but there were a lot of good Germans in Germany in the 1930s also.
It didn’t mean that there wasn’t something bad emanating from Germany.
Pretending that Islam has no bearing on the global terror and mass murder emanating from those of that religion is naive.

Muslims in the WORLD. We aren’t talking about one country under a nationalistic fervor. There’s A BILLION AND A HALF MUSLIMS. All over the world. I’ve worked with Muslim guys. I am not afraid of them.

Radical Islam and militant Islam is something to be taken seriously. But not all Islam is radical. Not even remotely. Not even close.

You want to talk about how shitty things are in Iran now? How bad gays and women have it under fundamentalist islamic rule? Sure.

But if you want to tar all Muslims with the same radical potential terrorist/murderer brush? Then I’m grabbing my suitcase and getting off your crazy train at the next stop.

1135 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:27pm

re: #1126 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully, he will be dead after his sentence is carried out. Yes, I am advocating his lawful execution.

And not twenty years from now, either.

1136 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:34pm

re: #1128 RogueOne

good, they can get him healthy again, then put a needle in his arm in Terre Haute.

Bring him here to Indiana…

1137 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:35pm

re: #1063 reine.de.tout

What I read was that having treated people for PTSD, he knew how bad it could be and didnt want to put himself in a situation where he may end up sufferening PTSD.

See the 8:17 update here

Ah, so he had Pre-Combat Stress Disorder.
That somehow explains killing your fellow soldiers?
Nah, I don’t think so, Reine, it just doesn’t follow.
//

1138 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:43pm

re: #1119 saik0max0r

What do you think it was? Com’on, throw out something you think is plausible based on available information.

“A Major ( a shrink no less!) who was afraid of deploying decides to kill a bunch of people in order to get himself killed so he wouldn’t have to deploy because of … (Does it really matter?. Srs.)”

If that is the proposed non-jihadi bot scenario?

I would hate to hell to have you on a jury.

1139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:18:57pm

re: #1130 NJDhockeyfan

I wouldn’t mind if he got whacked in prison.

I admire your spirit, but I would mind. I want him to be judged, not lynched.

1140 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:19:15pm

It’s looking more like SJS or a Planned lone wolf attack by the moment. I’m not ruling either out.

1141 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:19:52pm

re: #1126 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully, he will be dead after his sentence is carried out. Yes, I am advocating his lawful execution.

I don’t think either of us then will have a chance to serve on his jury…

1142 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:19:57pm

re: #1126 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully, he will be dead after his sentence is carried out. Yes, I am advocating his lawful execution.

You mean after he is lawfully convicted or murder… right?

1143 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:20:31pm

re: #1136 HoosierHoops

Go Hoosiers!

1144 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:20:44pm

I can only imagine the Doctors treating Hasan — Now that’s Professionalism!

1145 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:20:58pm

re: #1137 Spare O’Lake

Ah, so he had Pre-Combat Stress Disorder.
That somehow explains killing your fellow soldiers?
Nah, I don’t think so, Reine, it just doesn’t follow.
//

I’m not promoting that explanation!
Just passing the informtaion along.

1146 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:20:59pm

re: #1142 Walter L. Newton

You mean after he is lawfully convicted of murder… right?

Yes, that is what I mean.

1147 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:21:03pm

I hoped he was alive all along. Not for his life’s sake. Completely thrilled that the cop is alive!

1148 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:21:09pm

Sean go poof?

1149 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:21:10pm

re: #1065 Sean

This is what I see when I read your post:

Daddy Charles and all you other Lizards, I hate how LGF has changed (read: has not followed the other “right-wing” blogs off the krayzee cliff) and I hate your guts! Goodbye, cruel world…”

/you’re nothing more than an unoriginal bastard…

1150 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:21:14pm

re: #1133 Pepper Fox

What is the death penalty, if any, in the military?

I would assume he will answer to Texas law, but I could be wrong.

1151 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:21:34pm

re: #1140 Thanos

It’s looking more like SJS or a Planned lone wolf attack by the moment. I’m not ruling either out.

SJS can cover both:
Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Simmering Jihad Syndrome

1152 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:21:37pm

We’re back to the one-shooter scenario. The other suspects were apparently cleared.

1153 captdiggs  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:22:06pm

re: #1108 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, I’ve been in the middle east. I’ve read the Koran.
You go there some time.
Hopefully you won’t see the carnage I saw done in the name of Islam.

You don’t know me, nor my experiences. Making assumptions about “bigotry” only belies your own prejudices.

1154 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:22:26pm

Can’t rule out terrorism, but the evidence at this point doesn’t support it.

1155 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:22:56pm

Can we get a second thread for this?

1156 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:23:06pm

re: #1151 solomonpanting

SJS can cover both:
Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Simmering Jihad Syndrome

I like to differentiate the two — simply because one is unplanned, the other has real roots usually. Today was when Sadaam was sentenced to death, and this guy’s parents were from Jordan & there could be Baathism in his past.

1157 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:23:06pm

re: #1150 The Shadow Do

I would assume he will answer to Texas law, but I could be wrong.

No, military posts are federal land, and he is under military jurisdiction. There are cases where the military relinquishes jurisdiction, but this will not be one of them.

Applying my military justice experience - over 25 years later!

1158 jaunte  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:23:14pm

UCMJ, (10 USC Sections 886-934) #118 - Murder

The Uniform Code of Military Justice provides the death penalty as a possible punishment for 15 offenses (10 USC Sections 886-934), many of which must occur during a time of war. All 9 men on the military’s death row were convicted of premeditated murder or felony murder.


deathpenaltyinfo.org

1159 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:23:21pm

No indication military weapons used.

1160 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:23:53pm

re: #1154 J.S.

Can’t rule out terrorism, but the evidence at this point doesn’t support it.

I’ll be interested to see what they find at his home including his computer.

1161 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:24:06pm

re: #1153 captdiggs

Sorry, I’ve been in the middle east. I’ve read the Koran.
You go there some time.
Hopefully you won’t see the carnage I saw done in the name of Islam.

You don’t know me, nor my experiences. Making assumptions about “bigotry” only belies your own prejudices.

You can have all the experiences you want, but you can’t pull rank and pretend that because you’re been overseas that you have magical insight into 1.6 billion people. That is a deeply, deeply stupid thing to say.

1162 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:24:11pm

re: #1153 captdiggs

Sorry, I’ve been in the middle east. I’ve read the Koran.
You go there some time.
Hopefully you won’t see the carnage I saw done in the name of Islam.

You don’t know me, nor my experiences. Making assumptions about “bigotry” only belies your own prejudices.

We can only go by what you say, not arguments from authority.

You fail to convince. You certainly come off as a bigot.

1163 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:24:13pm

Death is not imminent for the major.

1164 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:24:15pm

He’s not speaking to invesitgators. He’s not in imminent death…

1165 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:24:33pm

Sounds like a single jihadist. Time will tell.

1166 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:25:06pm

re: #1157 Dreader1962

No, military posts are federal land, and he is under military jurisdiction. There are cases where the military relinquishes jurisdiction, but this will not be one of them.

Applying my military justice experience - over 25 years later!

Thank you

1167 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:25:07pm

re: #1163 Sharmuta

That’s a damn shame

1168 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:25:10pm

Soldiers do not carry weapons at Ft. Hood. Security will now be increased.

1169 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:25:15pm

How do they carry out death sentences in the military? injection? or do they still break out the firing squad?

1170 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:25:44pm

That was stunning

1171 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:25:48pm

Press Conference over.

1172 miguelj  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:25:49pm

One of the various info sites lists Hasan, plus his relatives’ names. Important only because they all seem to be surnamed ‘Hasan”—which suggests that, no, he was not a convert after all.

1173 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:26:03pm

Well it’s good to have more facts now.

1174 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:26:24pm

re: #1156 Thanos

I like to differentiate the two — simply because one is unplanned, the other has real roots usually. Today was when Sadaam was sentenced to death, and this guy’s parents were from Jordan & there could be Baathism in his past.

That’s fair. However, I can’t help but think that some who exhibits a “sudden” syndrome hasn’t been thinking and/or planning the carnage for some time.

1175 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:26:38pm

re: #1168 J.S.

Soldiers do not carry weapons at Ft. Hood. Security will now be increased.

Soldiers do not carry weapons at any stateside military post unless their duty calls for it (MPs, primarily) unless they are at training. They aren’t issued live ammo unless they are on the ranges. It’s very controlled.

1176 Racer X  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:26:39pm

re: #1170 HoosierHoops

That was stunning

Prime example of wait til all the facts are in.

1177 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:26:55pm

re: #1169 Pepper Fox

How do they carry out death sentences in the military? injection? or do they still break out the firing squad?

Good question. Google says the last one was 1961 and he was hanged.

1178 saik0max0r  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:27:14pm

re: #1138 Walter L. Newton

Egads knave!

Your Barrister sorcery has no power over me… begone foul wizard and cease your wicked incantations of dark eldritch origin!

1179 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:27:14pm

re: #1176 Racer X

Prime example of wait til all the facts are in.

No shit!

1180 iceman1960  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:27:24pm

Death is not imminent but should be

1181 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:27:28pm

re: #1175 Dreader1962

they apparently only had security guards at the base.

1182 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:27:29pm

re: #1177 RogueOne

Good question. Google says the last one was 1961 and he was hanged.

Hanging works for me.

1183 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:28:00pm

re: #1177 RogueOne

The only state that carries out hangings is Washington, and you can pick between injection and hanging. Only 6 people have been executed there since ‘76 and last hanging was in ‘96.

1184 researchok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:28:03pm

Hasan’s motives will determine whether or not this was a terrorist act.

The fact that he opened fire in a medical reception/waiting area underscores Hasan’s cowardly nature.

1185 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:28:28pm

re: #1174 solomonpanting

That’s fair. However, I can’t help but think that some who exhibits a “sudden” syndrome hasn’t been thinking and/or planning the carnage for some time.

Agreed, but there are also planned attempts sometimes passed off as SJS - with planned attempts even “lone wolves” usually have sympathizers, contacts, etc. that are good to follow up on

1186 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:28:29pm

re: #1182 NJDhockeyfan

Hanging works for me.

Worked for Saddam.

1187 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:28:31pm

re: #1135 The Sanity Inspector

And not twenty years from now, either.

Amen to that.

1188 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:29:33pm

re: #1183 Pepper Fox

The only state that carries out hangings is Washington, and you can pick between injection and hanging. Only 6 people have been executed there since ‘76 and last hanging was in ‘96.

If the army keeps him for trial, he’ll go to leavenworth. If the feds take it, he’ll go to Terre Haute.

1189 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:29:53pm

re: #1186 solomonpanting

Worked for Saddam.

Heh.

1190 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:30:05pm

re: #1181 J.S.

They have private contracted security at the gates, and a regular civilian police department working the base. It’s just like a neighborhood in there.

1191 sergeant major  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:31:19pm

re: #1150 The Shadow Do
There is the death penalty in the Military and he will be tried by the Military. This happened on an Army installation. The state of Texas does not have jurisdiction.

1192 miguelj  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:31:28pm

Someone saying his family came from Jordan originally. Palestinian, d’you suppose - or Bedouin? If Palestinian, that would explain a lot, right there.

1193 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:32:18pm

re: #1148 Racer X

Sean go poof?

Yes. His account go “Splat!” His gamey carcass has been placed on the grill.

1194 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:32:28pm

re: #1191 sergeant major

There is the death penalty in the Military and he will be tried by the Military. This happened on an Army installation. The state of Texas does not have jurisdiction.

No, the state couldn’t but the feds can.

1195 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:32:59pm

re: #1191 sergeant major

There is the death penalty in the Military and he will be tried by the Military. This happened on an Army installation. The state of Texas does not have jurisdiction.

Method is lethal injection, if it will be used. It’s been a while.

1196 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:34:23pm

re: #1190 Pepper Fox

They have private contracted security at the gates, and a regular civilian police department working the base. It’s just like a neighborhood in there.

Not at MINSY.. They were Federal police officers…And where I worked at Bld 690 nuclear refueling of subs there were Marines guarding the gate…

1197 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:34:33pm

Why was this guy about to be deployed with what the FBI knew about him?

1198 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:34:56pm

OK…now it’s time to turn off CNN…(they’re heavy into making the murderer into a sympathetic “hero”.)

1199 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:35:15pm

Larry King has an embarrassing confrontation between a Private and an Officer about who has more experience in a combat zone.

Pitiful.

1200 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:35:24pm

Well these things are frazzling, horrendous, and likely to occur again. Let’s thank god if we so believe, or thank humanity’s better instincts if we don’t, for that brave Policewoman and also wish her a speedy recovery.

1201 Mauser  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #1130 NJDhockeyfan

I wouldn’t mind if he got whacked in prison.

I would. We should not depend on prison lowlifes to carry out executions that we don’t have the will to carry out in our legal system. I know a lot of folks like to oppose the death penalty, and then wish for a shanking to keep their own hands clean, but that strikes me as moral cowardice.

1202 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:35:45pm

and, just to toss this out there, it WILL be Obama’s decision.

1203 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:36:02pm

re: #1198 J.S.

OK…now it’s time to turn off CNN…(they’re heavy into making the murderer into a sympathetic “hero”.)

You’re shittin’ me.

1204 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:36:43pm

What are the chances that Hasan the American terrorist will meet justice before KSM and his ilk getting fat in Gitmo?

1205 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:37:01pm

re: #1200 Thanos

Well these things are frazzling, horrendous, and likely to occur again. Let’s thank god if we so believe, or thank humanity’s better instincts if we don’t, for that brave Policewoman and also wish her a speedy recovery.

Who knows how many lives she may have saved. God bless her.

1206 Dreader1962  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:39:04pm

re: #1203 NJDhockeyfan

You’re shittin’ me.

Larry King has Dr. Phil, former POW Shoshanna Johnson, and some JAG officer (that’s Judge Advocate General - I wasn’t implying ‘some jag-off’). He’s saying that speculating that it was an ideological act was just as valid as speculating it was PTSD. The show is turning into the Jerry Springer Show.

1207 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:40:24pm

re: #1198 J.S.

OK…now it’s time to turn off CNN…(they’re heavy into making the murderer into a sympathetic “hero”.)

I was correct, I predicted that one way back at #300

And so it begins, poor fellow will be a leftist cause in less than a week …

My timing was off though.

1208 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:40:26pm

re: #1206 Dreader1962

Dr. Phil shut him up pretty quick though from what I saw (just turned it there before they went to commercial).

1209 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:40:29pm

re: #1182 NJDhockeyfan

Hanging works for me.

With an extra rough & itchy rope.

1210 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:40:55pm

re: #1206 Dreader1962

Larry King has Dr. Phil, former POW Shoshanna Johnson, and some JAG officer (that’s Judge Advocate General - I wasn’t implying ‘some jag-off’). He’s saying that speculating that it was an ideological act was just as valid as speculating it was PTSD. The show is turning into the Jerry Springer Show.

Let me know when the chairs start flying so I can tune in.

1211 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:40:59pm

Prayers for the families of ALL affected by this afternoons event.
For the wives, the children, and all whose lives are now, forever changed.

1212 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:41:35pm

re: #1211 Floral Giraffe

Prayers for the families of ALL affected by this afternoons event.
For the wives, the children, and all whose lives are now, forever changed.

Yes.

1213 saik0max0r  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:41:51pm

re: #1206 Dreader1962


“The show is turning into the Jerry Springer Show.”

After the teaparty/moveOn/assactivist convergence of fail, you could say the same for the entire country.

JERRY! JERRY!

1214 The Shadow Do  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:42:38pm

re: #1211 Floral Giraffe

Prayers for the families of ALL affected by this afternoons event.
For the wives, the children, and all whose lives are now, forever changed.

A lot of suffering tonight, so many lives changed forever.

1215 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:43:59pm

I wish there was this much outreach for the soldiers suffering the same fate overseas every day. We seem to forget that with this now 8 year long war that this is a near daily thing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

1216 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:45:06pm

re: #1213 saik0max0r

No thank you.
Cheap entertainment, is NOT what I would call today’s events.

1217 researchok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:45:07pm

NidalHasan scribbled: There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

1218 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:45:39pm

re: #1206 Dreader1962

Larry King has Dr. Phil, former POW Shoshanna Johnson, and some JAG officer (that’s Judge Advocate General - I wasn’t implying ‘some jag-off’). He’s saying that speculating that it was an ideological act was just as valid as speculating it was PTSD. The show is turning into the Jerry Springer Show.

They’re just filling airtime, same as with every sensational event.

1219 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:46:00pm

There are definately going to be some questions about how a ARMY MAJOR posting that stuff online was not immediately investigated. Why the hell not?

1220 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:46:16pm

re: #1215 Pepper Fox

I wish there was this much outreach for the soldiers suffering the same fate overseas every day. We seem to forget that with this now 8 year long war that this is a near daily thing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

and in too many cases the feds via the VA treat them like shit…I despise the feds

1221 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:47:00pm

re: #1215 Pepper Fox

I wish there was this much outreach for the soldiers suffering the same fate overseas every day. We seem to forget that with this now 8 year long war that this is a near daily thing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What is? Fratricide among our soldiers, you mean? Or the ordinary daily casualties?

1222 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:47:56pm

Rachel Maddow just said “anyone who commits a massacre is criminally insane, or just insane…or just criminal.” That sentence made my head hurt.

1223 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:48:02pm

re: #1220 albusteve

Now I’ve done some work in VA hospitals, and around here (Centeral Texas), they provide pretty good care.

1224 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:48:02pm

re: #1215 Pepper Fox

I wish there was this much outreach for the soldiers suffering the same fate overseas every day. We seem to forget that with this now 8 year long war that this is a near daily thing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is alot of outreach…We don’t hear about it..But when my son came home from Iraq the outreach was unbelievable..
Many rushed to help families and friends..I am deeply thankful

1225 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:48:07pm

re: #1199 Dreader1962

Larry King has an embarrassing confrontation between a Private and an Officer about who has more experience in a combat zone.

Pitiful.

You watch Larry King? Why?

1226 sergeant major  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:48:44pm

Lets see if I have this correct.
He came from Walter Reed received a poor OER (I doubt he is the only Officer that has ever received a poor OER)
Cousin states that he was being harassed (a Major Harassed I doubt it)
Cousin States that he “HIRED” a Army lawyer to help him because of Harassment … LIE you don’t “hire” an Army lawyer JAG is there for every soldier FREE of charge not to mention JAG does get involved with Complaints of this nature. You report “Harassment” to the IG which handles all formal complaints and investigates them thoroughly.
Lastly he was “concerned” about deploying again as stated in my previous post RESIGN your commission! These are nothing but excuses for a murderer.

1227 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:48:45pm

re: #1225 Naso Tang

You watch Larry King? Why?

He could make anyone feel young. That might be it.

1228 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:49:46pm

They should read the shooter this text, just prior to emtying that needle in his arm:




THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH: MODERN VERSION

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s knife or the chemist’s drug.

I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient’s recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.



Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.

Note: All emphases were mine.

1229 saik0max0r  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:50:47pm

re: #1216 Floral Giraffe

Agreed. Although I’m not the one on TV speculating about it between advertisements for diet coke and some new medications for diabeetus. That too me is a pretty perverse way to process today’s events.

1230 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:51:49pm

re: #1223 Pepper Fox

Now I’ve done some work in VA hospitals, and around here (Centeral Texas), they provide pretty good care.

I’m a high strung fed hater…can’t help it

1231 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:51:58pm

re: #1227 bosforus

He could make anyone feel young. That might be it.

He can make anyone feel brilliant is better.

1232 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:52:36pm

CAIR is already whining about possible backlashes against muslims.

Muslim groups fear backlash after Fort Hood shooting

1233 rsquare  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:52:39pm

re: #1215 Pepper Fox

And back in 2003 there was a 101st Sgt. that lobbed a grenade into the midst of his comrades in arms.

1234 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:52:41pm

re: #1230 albusteve

I’m a high strung fed hater…can’t help it

Why do you hate the US government?

/

1235 Eaglekeeper85  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:53:14pm

In this day and age of Political Correctness in the Military, there is no way he will be executed.

1236 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:54:21pm

re: #1232 NJDhockeyfan

CAIR is already whining about possible backlashes against muslims.

Muslim groups fear backlash after Fort Hood shooting

One has to wonder if the shooter, being a Dr. and all, didn’t consider that factor. Perhaps he was a a MINO?

1237 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:54:38pm
1238 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:55:44pm

re: #1237 Werewolf_in_Florida

Nice cut and paste from Wikipedia.. You will have the halls of academia buzzing for years to come

did you learn anything?…that’s the point

1239 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:56:24pm

re: #1237 Werewolf_in_Florida

Nice cut and paste from Wikipedia.. You will have the halls of academia buzzing for years to come

200 comments later…

1240 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:57:10pm

re: #1237 Werewolf_in_Florida

See that rope? Do what Mandy told you to do and piss up it!

1241 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:57:14pm

Larry King is demanding an explanation from the military for why they concealed from CNN the fact for 5 hours that the gunman was not killed, and in fact had announced that he was dead.

Go get the lyin’ army, Larry, you old fart - they probably spent the whole afternoon waterboarding the poor fellow! //

1242 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:58:10pm

re: #1237 Werewolf_in_Florida

You apparently didn’t take anything away from it, so you can just sit on it and rotate…

1243 Sheepdogess  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:58:14pm

re: #1228 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I believe the HIPPOCRATIC OATH has been, uh, tossed out by the medical community.

1244 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:58:19pm

re: #1230 albusteve

I’m a high strung fed hater…can’t help it

I’ve no great love for the federal government, but I’d don’t know if I’d put the energy into hating them. Just yet.

I would however, love and adore them if our beloved elected class were to have a sudden epiphany that the Constitution actually still does matter to alot of citizens and maybe they should start cutting things back that don’t fall within their Constitutional authority.

Oh yeah, let that happen and I might even check the box on my tax return to fund the next presidential election.

1245 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:58:42pm

re: #1217 researchok

See how this belief system can be used to amplify the worst aspects of human behavior. What bad instructions it has.

1246 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:59:40pm

re: #1232 NJDhockeyfan

CAIR is already whining about possible backlashes against muslims.

Muslim groups fear backlash after Fort Hood shooting

Kneejerk, and to be expected.

What’s strange is that they did get a bit of truth in; without the help of Muslims in Afghanistan and other theaters we are well and truly screwed if we really want to win:

“What we don’t need is people downrange sitting in foxholes (in Afghanistan or Iraq) questioning if you are a Christian, if you are a Muslim or if you are a Jew… that is not what we need as a nation.

“We need to fight the war on terror together,” he added.

1247 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:59:46pm

re: #1235 Eaglekeeper85

In this day and age of Political Correctness in the Military, there is no way he will be executed.

I wouldn’t bet on that. Unless there are demonstrable special circumstances that ameliorate this crime, I think it’s highly likely that he will be executed.

There aren’t a lot of good excuses for mass murder.

1248 Sergeant Major  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:00:30pm

re: #1241 Spare O’Lake

I will answer this for Larry.. Lets see Larry the US Army Answers to YOU? Last time I checked Larry wasn’t in my rating scheme.

1249 wee fury  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:00:34pm

re: #1241 Spare O’Lake

Larry King is demanding an explanation from the military for why they concealed from CNN the fact for 5 hours that the gunman was not killed, and in fact had announced that he was dead.

Go get the lyin’ army, Larry, you old fart - they probably spent the whole afternoon waterboarding the poor fellow! //

Like the Military owes Larry King anything, the old … guy.

1250 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #1249 wee fury

Like the Military owes Larry King anything, the old … guy asshat.

I’m not as kind as you.

1251 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:03:10pm

re: #1244 Van Helsing

I’ve no great love for the federal government, but I’d don’t know if I’d put the energy into hating them. Just yet.

I would however, love and adore them if our beloved elected class were to have a sudden epiphany that the Constitution actually still does matter to alot of citizens and maybe they should start cutting things back that don’t fall within their Constitutional authority.

Oh yeah, let that happen and I might even check the box on my tax return to fund the next presidential election.

it’s an old, lifelong vibe…I have my reasons…my disdain does not include the Coast Guard

1252 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:03:40pm

re: #1241 Spare O’Lake

Larry King is demanding an explanation from the military for why they concealed from CNN the fact for 5 hours that the gunman was not killed, and in fact had announced that he was dead.

Go get the lyin’ army, Larry, you old fart - they probably spent the whole afternoon waterboarding the poor fellow! //

I can answer that. They weren’t sure if the guy had accomplices or not. Portraying him as dead and not giving up intel makes a difference if there had been.

1253 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:05:25pm

re: #1246 Thanos

That feels like it is very much by accident. Since when has CAIR demonstrated this overt effort by the Muslim community toward fighting the war on terror, together?

The jarring sound of dischordant bells is rattling my brain…

1254 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:05:58pm
1255 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:06:02pm

re: #1252 Thanos

Yup. If you can;t see that, you’re pretty thick (Larry).

1256 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:06:36pm

can’t

PIMF

1257 webevintage  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:07:11pm

re: #1170 HoosierHoops

That was stunning

It’s like some crazy twist at the end of an Agatha Christie book.
I’m gobsmacked…

1258 Happy4LA  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:07:13pm

re: #1236 Naso Tang

The guy resorts to murder just to make Muslims look bad? I guess it’s not unprecedented right?

1259 researchok  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:07:15pm

re: #1245 Ojoe

See how this belief system can be used to amplify the worst aspects of human behavior. What bad instructions it has.

As I noted earlier, his intent will determine whether or not this was an act of terror.

His remarks seem to indicate in which direction his (very sick) mind was headed.

1260 Eaglekeeper85  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:08:14pm

re: #1247 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I wouldn’t bet on that. Unless there are demonstrable special circumstances that ameliorate this crime, I think it’s highly likely that he will be executed.

There aren’t a lot of good excuses for mass murder.

We shall see, it will take awhile, and I hope I am wrong. Something tells me I’m not. I had 23 years in the military and PC was one reason why I got out.

1261 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:08:53pm

re: #1254 Werewolf_in_Florida

Your shtick is quickly becoming old and tiring…give it up, because it only make you look like a pedantic ass.

1262 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:11:09pm
1263 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:11:55pm

The CNN set-up here is pretty clear. The victims of the crime (the soldiers at the base) will become the hated perps (after all, they’re the ones who drove Hasan crazy; it’s all their fault); and the actual perp will become the sorry, pathetic victim (“why, he was suffering — suffering, I tell you! and it was all because of the evil, U.S. military-industrial complex — that’s what drove him over the edge — and, and, he was suffering from a mental disease, hence he cannot be held morally accountable. Why, in fact, he’s innocent!”…etc., etc.) Scenario’s in the bag. Moral reversals.

1264 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:12:39pm

re: #1262 Werewolf_in_Florida

What the hell is your problem? Do you make a habit of going to various blogs just to pick fights with others?

1265 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:12:57pm

re: #1262 Werewolf_in_Florida

We’re not concerned with what the viewing public thinks of how we treat you. Get over yourself.

1266 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:14:26pm

re: #1263 J.S.

Well, they can’t say he was drafted and an unwilling tool of the infidel, now can they?

1267 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:14:38pm

re: #1264 NJDhockeyfan

re: #1265 bosforus

To borrow an Internet meme, obvious troll is obvious.

/or he could just be a garden-variety douchebag…

1268 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:14:43pm

re: #1204 The Shadow Do

What are the chances that Hasan the American terrorist will meet justice before KSM and his ilk getting fat in Gitmo?

The Obama admin is days away from laying out what they will do specifically with their detainees as they close Gitmo. You know - the pesky details involving what soil they will be tried on in what court under what procedure.

They will disclose who will go where and how they will be housed and what rights they will inherit the moment they set foot on US soil.

What was going to be a disclosure that they hoped would not attract attention will now get a great deal of scrutiny because of Ft Hood.

We are reminded that there are killers out there that feel justified in killing Americans en masse over vague and perceived injustices.

1269 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:15:21pm

re: #1241 Spare O’Lake

I’m not a Laura Ingram fan, but her phrase “Is Larry King still alive?” gets a chackle out of me, every time I hear it. He is one short stop short of a Zombie…

1270 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:15:35pm

Feed not the llort.

1271 Gus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:16:00pm

re: #421 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but I doubt DC Law is Rodan. If he were, Charles would have caught him by now.

I find it interesting that Nekama would have downdinged this comment.

1272 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:16:09pm

re: #1266 Van Helsing

Don’t worry, his persecution as a Muslim (the insults, the insults, i tell you) will be sufficient to claim “he had no choice”.

1273 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:16:37pm

re: #1267 talon_262

Thank you for that. I don’t know why I feed them. I know better.

1274 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:17:07pm

re: #1270 karmic_inquisitor

Feed not the llort.

Oh lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

1275 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:17:25pm

re: #1262 Werewolf_in_Florida

Seriously, you guys are just the best… “Sit on it and rotate” resonates brilliance.

You’re enjoying it?
Well, have at it!

1276 idioma  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:18:06pm

This is why we can’t have nice things.

1277 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:18:38pm

Barabara Starr is saying “He owed it to the military” in other words, he was forced to serve…forced I tell you. He had to pay back the US military since it’s the military where he received his education.

1278 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:20:01pm

re: #1272 J.S.

Good point. Some Muslims are pricklier than a Sinaloa cowboy when it comes to being ‘disrespected’.

1279 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:21:16pm

re: #1278 Van Helsing

(I trust, though, that you don’t buy into the argument that “he had no choice”.)

1280 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:21:21pm

re: #1277 J.S.

Oh good grief. Please tell me you’re kidding.
Smart enough to get through med school but too f***ing stupid to read the contract?

It’s not like the enlistment contract was the health care bill…

1281 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:22:14pm

re: #1279 J.S.

(I trust, though, that you don’t buy into the argument that “he had no choice”.)

No. I most definitely do not.

1282 J.S.  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:23:28pm

re: #1280 Van Helsing

Unfortunately, i’m not kidding…it’s what CNN is reporting…(they do the same thing at CBC, BBC, etc., any suicide bomber is — of course — driven, if not forced, forced, I tell you, to commit acts of murderous carnage.)

1283 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:28:24pm

re: #1277 J.S.

Barabara Starr is saying “He owed it to the military” in other words, he was forced to serve…forced I tell you. He had to pay back the US military since it’s the military where he received his education.

Involuntary servitude!

We are living in a society where so much prosperity has generated so much opportunity for so many people for so long that there are many who feel that they aren’t materially or morally bound by any commitments they have made.

1284 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:33:21pm

re: #1275 Floral Giraffe

You’re enjoying it?
Well, have at it!

blocked!

1285 albusteve  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:33:31pm

re: #1283 karmic_inquisitor

Involuntary servitude!

We are living in a society where so much prosperity has generated so much opportunity for so many people for so long that there are many who feel that they aren’t materially or morally bound by any commitments they have made.

on that note, I am redesigning a large portion of my life due to my new commitment as a new grandfather…my prosperity will take another huge hit I think…air fares, baby spoilage etc…I’m really digging my new situation

1286 bosforus  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:34:54pm

re: #1284 reine.de.tout

blocked!

He seemed so happy.

1287 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:37:17pm

re: #1285 albusteve

on that note, I am redesigning a large portion of my life due to my new commitment as a new grandfather…my prosperity will take another huge hit I think…air fares, baby spoilage etc…I’m really digging my new situation

Baby spoilage - it’s the reason grandparents exist.
go for it!

1288 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:37:24pm

re: #1263 J.S.

re: #1282 J.S.
re: #1252 Thanos

Lone gunman right? Basically a mental break. The tendency among media is to now attempt to fill the gap between what was all so breathlessly possible (Al Qaeda! Jihad! Conspiracy!) and the sad reality. They fill it with bull. Inventing theories and motives as fast as they can talk. As some trolls are doing with keyboards I see.

1289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:45:35pm

re: #1278 Van Helsing

Good point. Some Muslimspeople are pricklier than a Sinaloa cowboy when it comes to being ‘disrespected’.

FTFY

NNTTM

1290 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:46:00pm

re: #1284 reine.de.tout

blocked!

And so Sean comes off the grill and Werewolf_in_Florida (newly killed by Stinky’s Silver Ban Bullet) is put on in his place. Grilled troll is now being served! Come and get some Gamey Buttocks while they last!

1291 AlexRogan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:55:28pm

re: #1290 Dark_Falcon

And so Sean comes off the grill and Werewolf_in_Florida (newly killed by Stinky’s Silver Ban Bullet) is put on in his place. Grilled troll is now being served! Come and get some Gamey Buttocks while they last!

Troll/moby pathology is so wide and varied, but it’s so tiring trying to beat back trolls that are bound are determined to derail the topic at hand.

1292 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:55:41pm

re: #1277 J.S.

Barabara Starr is saying “He owed it to the military” in other words, he was forced to serve…forced I tell you. He had to pay back the US military since it’s the military where he received his education.

The sorry piece of shit went to the Armed Forces medical school—one of the hardest to get into in the country. He stole a slot from a more deserving student and became a murderer.

Sorry Piece of Shit.

From Fox News:

Federal law enforcement officials told the Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. The officials said they are still trying to confirm that he was the author.

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates homicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

They say an official investigation was not opened.

1293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 7:59:55pm

What a horrible day for the people at Ft. Hood and their family and friends. My heartfelt condolences go out to those who lost loved ones today at the hands of this psycho.

In instances like these it’s easy to jump to conclusions, sometimes even far fetched and totally off base conclusions. Two thumbs up and much respect for the many Lizards here who refused to jump to any conclusions before getting the facts.

To those who used this thread, this topic, as an opportunity to get attention by being antagonist and using over the top snark…

FUCK. YOU. I hope you come up short on your next roll for karma check, and open you stupid yaps in front of the wrong people.

1294 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:05:30pm
1295 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:09:08pm

re: #1294 a ziggen

Lame.

1296 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:10:40pm
1297 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:15:58pm

re: #1296 a ziggen

Great retort…

About as much of a retort as your #1294 deserves, IMO.

Lame indeed.

1298 soxfan4life  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:24:44pm

Just got home, they locked us down on post for several hours and the resultant traffic jam was brutal. May God look over the families of those killed and the soldiers who were injured too. As for Major Hassan fuck you, you killed 13 of my brothers and sisters today. There is no torment in hell befitting for you. Enjoy your time in federal lock up before you get the needle in your arm. And here’s hoping your ass is one of your brothers “72 virgins”.

1299 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:25:32pm
1300 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:26:16pm

re: #1298 soxfan4life

Folks were worried about you including Fenway and wrenchwench.

Glad you’re ok.

1301 Nekama  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:27:17pm

re: #1271 Gus 802

I find it interesting that Nekama would have downdinged this comment.

What’s so interesting?

1302 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:27:41pm

Can someone fill me in on where we are with SJS and religious motivation?

1303 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:32:16pm

re: #1298 soxfan4life

Glad you’re alive and well, Lizard. My condolences for the loss of your friends today. I can not begin to imagine the pain and the loss you feel right now.

1304 soxfan4life  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:34:47pm

re: #1300 Sharmuta

Folks were worried about you including Fenway and wrenchwench.

Glad you’re ok.

Thanks. Was a little crazy, but Ft. Hood is a big place. The place where the shooting occurred is where soldiers process through to make sure their medical records and shots are up to date, their legal papers are in order, and they get their mental health evals. No word on units here, but if the unit was preparing to leave they obviously have to stay at Hood for awhile, and if they were returning the tragedy is even more unbelievable.

1305 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:35:49pm

re: #1298 soxfan4life

Glad you are safe. What a frightening experience you must have had today.

1306 soxfan4life  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:37:00pm

re: #1303 Slumbering Behemoth

Glad you’re alive and well, Lizard. My condolences for the loss of your friends today. I can not begin to imagine the pain and the loss you feel right now.

We as a nation are feeling a great loss. Makes me want to go back to active duty and do what I love doing, train soldiers and lead them in combat.

1307 cliffster  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:37:08pm

re: #1298 soxfan4life

Real glad that you’re ok. Real, real sorry about those you lost. Words can’t describe, so I won’t try.

1308 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #1299 A Ziggen


Stunning quality of debate…

I hoped you could do better.

You come in here with a childish little story intended to smear an entire demographic of people for the actions of some, and then you presume to lecture on the quality of debate.

You hoped we could do better? Laughable.

1309 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:38:52pm

re: #1301 Nekama

What’s so interesting?

You don’t have to explain yourself to me, but I would ask what I said wrong.

1310 soxfan4life  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:39:49pm

re: #1307 cliffster

Real glad that you’re ok. Real, real sorry about those you lost. Words can’t describe, so I won’t try.


Thanks to all of you, thought it would be good to connect and vent some. Your well wishes are heart healing, everytime I hear of soldiers getting killed it tears me up inside, having it happen on friendly soil in my own backyard is beyond words.

1311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:44:11pm

re: #1310 soxfan4life

I’m sure we’ve found cause to disagree or argue with each other in the past, and may find such cause again in the future, but right now I just want to give you a hug. In a manly sort of way, of course.

{Soxfan4life}

1312 Lidane  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:49:17pm

My condolences to the friends and family of those who were killed. What an awful tragedy. :(

1313 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:51:30pm

re: #1271 Gus 802

I find it interesting that Nekama would have downdinged this comment.

Not to mention updinging 325. So, Nekama, what was wrong with my 266 and 333?

1314 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 8:59:59pm

5 bannings on this thread. This really brought out the jerks. Thankfully, Charles than proceeded to boot them.

1315 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:06:42pm

re: #1310 soxfan4life

Good to have you back in one piece mate, what an ugly day.

1316 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:08:51pm

re: #1298 soxfan4life

Enjoy your time in federal lock up before you get the needle in your arm.

One vote for a firing squad instead.

1317 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:10:29pm

Could be tried for treason?

1318 soxfan4life  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:13:18pm

re: #1315 Bagua

Good to have you back in one piece mate, what an ugly day.

One we all would like to get back.

1319 Bagua  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 9:17:38pm

re: #1318 soxfan4life

Amen.

1320 bittermelon  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:08:20pm

Hope the Army can contact the troops that this POS doctored and help them. I’ll bet he did as much damage to them, as he could.

1321 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:30:48pm

re: #1302 SFGoth

Can someone fill me in on where we are with SJS and religious motivation?

as of an hour ago, washington post had an article that was pretty detailed

parents are devout palestinians

1322 wiffersnapper  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:02:36pm

May God have mercy on their souls. RIP. And bring comfort to the wounded.

1323 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:24:21pm
1324 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:44:45pm

re: #1323 Wise Man

Guilty unless they can prove themselves innocent. Now there’s a great concept that’s sure to streamline out justice system.

We should probably start herding them all into particular areas of town - which could call them “ghettos” to distinguish them from the areas where the nice people live.

That way, they’ll be easy to find when we start marching them all into the “delousing” (wink wink) stations for their protection - and ours.

/// Dripping.

1325 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 12:10:59am

re: #1323 Wise Man

That was hardly wise.

1326 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 12:29:46am
1327 freetoken  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 1:00:15am

re: #1326 andreasb

SixDegrees was not speaking of the Major who committed this crime when discussing “herding”, but of overly broad-brushing muslims as a whole for crimes like this.

1328 shai_au  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 1:11:54am

Does this act qualify as “terrorism”, though? I’m a bit unclear on the definition here, as I’m sure a lot of people are.

1329 andreasb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 1:34:31am

re: #1327 freetoken

IMHO the comment of wiseman read something like this: If a muslim commits a terrorist crime one can safely assume that his motivation has something to do with his being a muslim. SixDegrees OTOH insinuated that Wiseman wanted to put muslims first in Ghettos and eventually in the Gas chamber. I have to give it to you that my first response was fired from the hip. But even if SD did not directly link major muslim scum to the Holocaust, he nevertheless wants to blur the simple truth that islam equates religion of violence, which more than a few muslims go all the way to prove, and SD tried to do so using an in no way admissible comparison.
This is not only beyond stupid it is tacky and offensive as well

1330 mili  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 4:08:38am

He had a problem with America invading Iraq. That’s the reason why he didn’t want to get deployed.

I heard this from an Albanian news channel. It might not be very true, but at least the media here doesn’t have any interest on spewing politically correct theories, such as the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder one.

1331 shai_au  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 4:18:44am

I couldn’t care less, really, about whether any particular theory is “politically correct” or not. If it’s correct, it’s correct. We can’t judge until the facts are in, but there’s nothing wrong with nominating “post-traumatic stress disorder” as a theory along with the “well, he’s a Muslim, so obviously he hates America and is a jihadist” theory.

1332 abu boo boo  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 5:45:03am

The media has discovered a new medical condition. You might call it PTSD, but in this case it stands for Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder.

BTW, witnesses report the shooter shouted “Allahu Akbar” before opening fire.

But we will do anything we can to avoid concluding that this was jihad.

1333 niallster  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 5:47:28am

Update from UK. BBC still almost entirely clueless as to why Osama Bin Jihad shot fellows soldiers however two theories are starting to emerge:

1. He was subject to racial abuse so of course anything he then did was justified; or

2. He was mentally ill.

The M word was used but of course that could have no relevance to his actions whatsoever.

1334 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 5:54:42am
1335 abu boo boo  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 5:56:39am

People who said yesterday that we should wait to draw conclusions were absolutely right. It turned out that much of the initial reporting was all wrong. The shooter survived, the two other suspects were released, and the shooter was wrongly pegged as a convert.

But we should avoid the other extreme, too. Now we know that the perpetrator was a devout Muslim; there is evidence that he sympathized with the forces fighting against us in Afghanistan and Iraq; and he apparently saw shooting people on a military base as means of defending his religion.

We have a problem. And given the number of Hezbollah supporters in Dearborn, Michigan alone, it’s amazing that such attacks are not more common.

1336 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:12:23am
1337 Sheepdogess  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:14:03am

Just heard from a soldier at the base he was shouting Allah as he blew away his “brothers”.

OT - this just in - Unemplyoment up at 10.2 percent.
I distinctly remember the left prattling on and on about the how bad the economy was when it was 4.2%. Their mantra was “It’s about the economy, stupid”.

Hope and change.

1338 Sheepdogess  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:19:10am

re: #1336 Abu Boo Boo

Indefensible.
He’s a disgrace.

1339 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:48:08am

Alright, so now the AP is reporting the circus freak was yelling “Allahu Akbar”…

I am shocked I tell ya. Shocked.

/and no offense to circus freaks intended…

1340 Abu Boo Boo  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:54:38am

Did anyone else find the interview with the Major’s cousin troubling?

The cousin said twice that the family was shocked and he just wanted everyone to know that the major was an ordinary American.

When the interviewer (Shepard Smith) asked if the Major had expressed any worrisome beliefs, the cousin suddenly announced that he had to go.

The interview left me feeling the cousin was saying “Hey, what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan can make even an ordinary American crack.”

While the cousin expressed sympathy with the victims, he did not distance himself from anger over US foreign policy, and excused himself when the questions turned in that direction.

Sort of like CAIR’s attitude. They’ve condemned the shooting. But do they feel the same way many of us feel, or is it a public relations move?

1341 captdiggs  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:56:29am

re: #1339 Oh no…Sand People!

Just remember, it is politically incorrect to suggest that his religion had anything to do with this.
His shouting “Allahu Akbar” while murdering his fellow soldiers was purely coincidental.
To suggest otherwise would have some here call you a “bigot”.

(sarc)

1342 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:22:21am
1343 charles_martel  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:01:21am

Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

1344 Captain America 1776  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:31:20am

So lets tally-up the facts on Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan:
1. Is a life-long devout muslim.
2. Believes muslims should “rise up against the aggressors”.
3. Has sympathies for and supported jihadi attacks and acts of terror.
4. Spoke of these beliefs to others both within and outside his military circle.
5. Was actively seeking an out from deployment to Iraq.
6. Researched various forms of suicide attacks.
7. Was giving away earthly possessions and Qurans the morning of attack, dressed in traditional white garb.
8. Was heard shouting “Allahu Akbar” as he went on his murderous shooting rampage.


So, we can’t make any assumptions or judgements based on his religion or beliefs? HORSE APPLES! Political gave him the opportunity to act on his beliefs. This was premeditated, this was an act of terrorism. I really hope they’re looking at his “circle” and also where he worshipped.

By the way, given that Nidal Malik Hasan, is a mental health physician, it might be a little tricky to try to sell us on the notion that he was mentally ill.

That is, apart from his (soon to be heavily downplayed) religious persuasion.

1345 Nekama  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:44:34am

re: #1313 Varek Raith

Not to mention updinging 325. So, Nekama, what was wrong with my 266 and 333?

What is your point in involving me?

1346 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:41:17am

It is NOT confirmed that Hasan shouted “Allah akbar.”

I think it’s pretty damned appalling how many people in this thread have pre-judged this incident, and are using it to confirm their very obvious anti-Muslim bigotry.

1347 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:43:00am

Also — it has NOT been confirmed that Hasan posted comments on the Internet about suicide bombings, either.

1348 Mr Chompers  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:52:17am

Infidel FYI: Taqiyah
The Taqiyah doctrine is based on the following verse from Qur’an 3:28: “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them”. Sunni commentator Ibn Kathir explained that “believers that fear for their safety from the unbelievers… are allowed to show friendship to the unbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly”.

1349 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:03:47am
1350 Alan K. Henderson  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:05:28am

One thing we do know is the pro-terrorist sympathies:

Terry Lee, a retired Army colonel who knew Hasan, told Fox News about a story he heard secondhand. He said a fellow colleague had told him that Hasan had made “outlandish comments” about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and US involvement in them and that “Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

“[He] made comments about how we shouldn’t be over there – you need to lock it up, Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor,” Lee added.

You’d think that talk like that would get you kicked out of the army.

The “allahu akbar” claim is attributed top Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the Fort Hood base commander.

news.google.com

Someone in the press should call the base to confirm the story.

1351 Mr Chompers  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:06:04am

Forgot this reply to post #85 “I would imagine that an Islamic radical would not be truthful about his proclivities, though.”

1352 captdiggs  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:06:04am

Two survivors, so far, are confirming the “Allahu Akbar”.
Per the LA Times.
latimesblogs.latimes.com

1353 Mr Chompers  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:14:57am

Is this Obama’s “We will never forget 10/5”. Maybe some golf this weekend?

1354 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:16:28am
1355 Alan K. Henderson  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:18:05am

Regarding media speculations on PTSD - can a poor performance review trigger PTSD? How big does a trauma have to get before it explodes

1356 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 12:21:05pm

re: #1345 Nekama

What is your point in involving me?

I think you know my point. You want to upding bigoted comments like the now blocked 325, be my guest. Since you seem to not want to elaborate as to why, I will just drop this.

1357 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:49:06am

From the Wall Street Journal:

Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the top commander at Fort Hood, said soldiers at the base have told investigators Maj. Hasan, a Muslim, shouted “Allahu Akbar,” Arabic for “God is great,” in the attack. One military official at the Pentagon who has been briefed on the investigation said officials are “close to 100%” certain Maj. Hasan authored an Internet posting defending suicide bombings.

At the same time, the authorities cautioned troops not to jump to conclusions about why one of their own may have chosen to go on a murderous rampage. It remains unclear what role Maj. Hasan’s religion played in Thursday’s events. Army officials said the alleged shooter’s fear and anger about his deployment to Afghanistan could have sparked the assault.

If the top commander of Fort Hood says that witnesses say they heard Hasan shout “Allahu Akbar!,” then I think this is more than a rumor.

Could they have heard wrong? It’s possible.

Could they be making this up? It’s possible, but unlikely.

Re: the allegation that Hasan made an Internet post sympathetic to suicide bombing, the answer may be found on his PC.


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Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
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