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They're trying to find the suspect, and they're not confirming the status on the victims. The news reported said 2 dead, but the police won't confirm anything other than there are multiple victims.
And the out-of-work stats were released at what, ten percent today? Could be some sort of emotional trigger point for an ex -or-soon-to-be employee going postal...
Oh, tell me, who first declared, who first proclaimed that man only does nasty things because he does not know his own real interests; and that if he were enlightened, if his eyes were opened to his real normal interests, man would at once cease to do nasty things, would at once become good and noble because, being enlightened and understanding his real advantage, he would see his own advantage in the good and nothing else… . Oh, the babe! Oh, the pure, innocent child!
I lost the feed and can't get it back. It will be awhile til the smoke clears and we can figure out what happened here. Two days of this- not sure I can take it.
Witness reported that shooter is an ex -employee who just walked into the building and started shooting... so they know who he is.
Bet they don't find him alive.
[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]
That place is right in the center of all the action.. Courthouse, city hall, performing arts center...
Actually it is on the very North end of the Downtown area.
To the locals that have grown up in Orlando, most don't even consider it downtown as it is north of Hwy 50.
Now we have people flouncing off in anger because I'm trying not to jump to conclusions in the Fort Hood case.
Who needs facts? We're on the internet and are all-knowing/all-seeing.
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Just like all the speculation about the balloon boy. People should have patience and listen to what the police say, not go with speculation and allege conspiracy when the official story comes out contradicting the speculation.
PTSD drove him to an extreme view of his faith.
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But why is PTSD even being thrown out there? He had never been deployed. Not saying there aren't other sources for PTSD.
Now we have people flouncing off in anger because I'm trying not to jump to conclusions in the Fort Hood case.
The only conclusion that can be made right now is that the guy was psycho.
Not all terrorism is ideological and not all ideologues will engage in terror. There are plenty of examples of terrorists who were deliberately 'brainwashed' or forced into terror by way of manipulation. For example, some female suicide bombers were told to 'cleanse' the shame by engaging in terror. If they disagreed, their families were threatened.
For now, Hasans' motives and intent are unknown. That doesn't make his actions less sickening or despicable- we just don't know yet what those motives were.
WTF? What don't they understand about fact-checking and the 24-hour rule?
A lot of people have already neatly fit this story into their preferred narrative. Suggestions that we may not know everything, and should stand by for better information are seen as dangerous political correctness run amok.
There's a fuckton of things to say, but today is not that day.
Now is not that time.
I hope that everyone a lizzard knows comes home safe, and everyone they know, and everyone those people know.
Here in my city, the local mosque has been vandalized for the fourth time recently. This is just sick, sick behaviour.
This is not a time when I can guarantee my good behaviour, so am logging out. Thank you all, for your sensitivity in these difficult days.
A lot of people have already neatly fit this story into their preferred narrative. Suggestions that we may not know everything, and should stand by for better information are seen as dangerous political correctness run amok.
The only conclusion that can be made right now is that the guy was psycho.
Exactly. I know it sounds a little bizarre, but as I watching the news unfold yesterday, a quotation from Doctor Strangelove popped into my head. "There's nothing to figure out. This man is obviously a pyschotic." There's really nothing else I can say, based on the current amount of information that's been made available.
A spokesman for the Orange County Sherriff’s department has confirmed that the male suspect in the Orlando Gateway Center shooting is named Jason Rodriguez and is wearing a light blue polo shirt and jeans. The suspect is driving a 2002 silver Nissan SUV.
The shooting, in which eight victims were injured, happened on the eighth floor of the high-rise business block, which is now surrounded by SWAT teams.
I'm wondering as a psychologist what would he have been doing in Afghanistan. Doesn't seem like he would have been put on the front lines, but then again- I don't know.
I'm wondering as a psychologist what would he have been doing in Afghanistan. Doesn't seem like he would have been put on the front lines, but then again- I don't know.
More and more attention is being directed toward identifying servicemembers at risk for psychological conditions while they are in the field. The idea is to catch the condition before it gets fully developed, and either assist the servicemember in-theatre, or else get him/her out of there before things get any worse.
I'm wondering as a psychologist what would he have been doing in Afghanistan. Doesn't seem like he would have been put on the front lines, but then again- I don't know.
They said this morning he was gonna be fighting with a unit, not doing office work. I posted that this morning. Not sure if anything changed
I'm wondering as a psychologist what would he have been doing in Afghanistan. Doesn't seem like he would have been put on the front lines, but then again- I don't know.
Not uncommon. Pretty smart actually
Someone thats trained in Psych would be more able to see if a soldier on or near the front lines was showing signs of too much stress and needed to be taken out of that situation
cleared out his belongings, handed out Korans to neighbors, shouting Allahu Akbar, admired the Little Rock, AR shootings
that ain't PTSD
I'm all for waiting for the facts to come out -- as long as it also applies the MSM and their fixation on cramming this round peg into the square PTSD hole. I've lost track of how many articles I've already read that assumed this was some sort of PTSD, with a guy who hasn't even deployed. This HuffPo one is particularly nauseating:
None of the Pentagon's efforts has stemmed the rising tide of soldiers murdering themselves. And now as Hasan has allegedly shown, an off the edge soldier murdering other American soldiers. The army's main concern as always is to keep the bodies moving as quickly as possible to bases, new assignments, deployments, and, of course, the battlefields. Hasan was one of those bodies.
More and more attention is being directed toward identifying servicemembers at risk for psychological conditions while they are in the field. The idea is to catch the condition before it gets fully developed, and either assist the servicemember in-theatre, or else get him/her out of there before things get any worse.
Which is an improvement over the First World War, when we just waited until they went catatonic.
Humans were not meant to make war like this. It's too great a strain on the psyche.
I'm wondering as a psychologist what would he have been doing in Afghanistan. Doesn't seem like he would have been put on the front lines, but then again- I don't know.
Wouldn't a forward base be a good place for a shrink to help de-stress combatants?
PTSD drove him to an extreme view of his faith.
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But why is PTSD even being thrown out there? He had never been deployed. Not saying there aren't other sources for PTSD.
"Second hand" PTSD.
Last night I peeked at the DailyKos thread just to see what they were saying about this. The usual crap that we have grown to know from DK, they're even assuming the shooter was an AQ symp and still defending him: "it's not terrorism when we go in and attack AQ facilities in Afghanistan, so why should it be 'terrorism' if they come here and attack our military facilities?" Immoral equivalence at its "finest." *spit*
I'm wondering as a psychologist what would he have been doing in Afghanistan. Doesn't seem like he would have been put on the front lines, but then again- I don't know.
He may have been assigned to encourage reluctant troops and to encourage them to be fully committed to their job. He may have found that very problematic.
Last night I peeked at the DailyKos thread just to see what they were saying about this. The usual crap that we have grown to know from DK, they're even assuming the shooter was an AQ symp and still defending him: "it's not terrorism when we go in and attack AQ facilities in Afghanistan, so why should it be 'terrorism' if they come here and attack our military facilities?" Immoral equivalence at its "finest." *spit*
All I can say to that too, is damn. The stupid is really getting to me today. Makes me want to bite someone.
He may have been assigned to encourage reluctant troops and to encourage them to be fully committed to their job. He may have found that very problematic.
You've watched Patton and A Few Good Men too mahny times
Army Psychs do NOT "encourage reluctant troops and to encourage them to be fully committed to their job"
The fact is that anyone who is praising terrorism should not be allowed in the military, hold a government job and should probably be put on a no fly list. That includes praise for Palestinian terrorism, killing abortion doctors and "Watering the Tree of Liberty." No exceptions, it's just common sense.
I'm also repulsed by the wingnut reaction attempting to exploit this tragedy to make Obama look like a douche. It's tasteless ODS. I would not be at all surprised if the wingnuts try to exploit this new shooting as well.
Wouldn't a forward base be a good place for a shrink to help de-stress combatants?
Being completely ignorant of anything military, aren't FOBs actually on the front line[s], in the middle of the shit? Wouldn't a shrink be best safer behind an FOB?
/I know nothing about this stuff.
Last night I peeked at the DailyKos thread just to see what they were saying about this. The usual crap that we have grown to know from DK, they're even assuming the shooter was an AQ symp and still defending him: "it's not terrorism when we go in and attack AQ facilities in Afghanistan, so why should it be 'terrorism' if they come here and attack our military facilities?" Immoral equivalence at its "finest." *spit*
By some definitions of terrorism, the target has to be civilian, FWIW.
That's right. They're there to tend to soldiers' mental health first.
A doctor I know pointed out to me last night that - contrary what you would expect - psychiatrists have the highest incidence of suicide and other mental disorders among MDs. Military psychiatrists must get a double dose of stress from their work and from their proximity to combat.
Last night I peeked at the DailyKos thread just to see what they were saying about this. The usual crap that we have grown to know from DK, they're even assuming the shooter was an AQ symp and still defending him: "it's not terrorism when we go in and attack AQ facilities in Afghanistan, so why should it be 'terrorism' if they come here and attack our military facilities?" Immoral equivalence at its "finest." *spit*
Being completely ignorant of anything military, aren't FOBs actually on the front line[s], in the middle of the shit? Wouldn't a shrink be best safer behind an FOB?
/I know nothing about this stuff.
I was thinking he wouldn't be sitting behind a desk.
That's right. They're there to tend to soldiers' mental health first.
A doctor I know pointed out to me last night that - contrary what you would expect - psychiatrists have the highest incidence of suicide and other mental disorders among MDs. Military psychiatrists must get a double dose of stress from their work and from their proximity to combat.
I've never known a shrink professionally or socially who didn't haver her or his own shrink.
In the United States, that's not the case. hence when the US Marine barracks were rammed by a truck full of explosives in Lebanon -- and the marines were asleep at the time -- that was/is a TERRORIST act. And, that terrorist act is still remembered by Americans.
A lot of people have already neatly fit this story into their preferred narrative. Suggestions that we may not know everything, and should stand by for better information are seen as dangerous political correctness run amok.
True. But if this story goes the "We are all innocent until proven crazy" route in the press, I'm going to be sick[er].
I'm pretty sure (not 100% thought) that all psychiatrists have to go to therapy in order to practice. They need to talk to another professional because of all the stuff they deal with in their work.
Such a sad world we live in some days.
Crazy, hate filled people kill folks in a church because the members are loving and accept everyone including gays, Kill police because they think the gov't wants to take their guns away, kill the head of the Democratic party in Arkansas for no reason, kill military guys outside of a recruiting office, kill anti-abortion guys because the killer has a list of people who pissed him off, they go to a business and kill people who they used to work with...
I won't speculate on yesterdays shooting...
It is all so sad, so much hate, so much anger, so much pain...
On Fort Hood-
CNN shows it was a female police officer that stopped the attack with four hits on the shooter, and got wounded herself. That's damn fine work on her part, I'm upset she got hit. And thrilled she lives.
When I see 4 hits and a survivor I think 9mm. We'll see. I trained with a police instructor/shooting investigator. We used to carefully track all the handgun shootings we could to develop better tactics and procedures. There has been pressure to upgrade the caliber from various sources, (see NH Bank robbery etc) and opposite pressure from those who see bullets as excessive force.
He may have been assigned to encourage reluctant troops and to encourage them to be fully committed to their job. He may have found that very problematic.
His job was to counsel soldiers who were already PTSD'd, to listen to the most awful things that happened to them their entire tour, the stuff they were agonizing over and couldn't sleep because of -- so even though he hadn't seen or done any of it himself, his head was full of 300 guys' worth of most traumatic memories.
His job was to counsel soldiers who were already PTSD'd, to listen to the most awful things that happened to them their entire tour, the stuff they were agonizing over and couldn't sleep because of -- so even though he hadn't seen or done any of it himself, his head was full of 300 guys' worth of most traumatic memories.
His job was to counsel soldiers who were already PTSD'd, to listen to the most awful things that happened to them their entire tour, the stuff they were agonizing over and couldn't sleep because of -- so even though he hadn't seen or done any of it himself, his head was full of 300 guys' worth of most traumatic memories.
That's true, but that is only part of the job.
Front line shrinks are a lot like front line chaplains. They are there for their men both before and after they see action.
Its tougher on them to argue anti gun for the military. Not that they always make sense. Some want cops to leave their guns at work, and go/live/ at home unarmed, despite the enemies they acquire. Geez!
This Florida thing though will be a clarion call by lunch here in Cal.
Almost everything naturally happens in clusters. Weird math but its true. Ludwig or some science Lizard can explain it far better than I. Fractal/chaos math.
Such a sad world we live in some days.
Crazy, hate filled people kill folks in a church because the members are loving and accept everyone including gays, Kill police because they think the gov't wants to take their guns away, kill the head of the Democratic party in Arkansas for no reason, kill military guys outside of a recruiting office, kill anti-abortion guys because the killer has a list of people who pissed him off, they go to a business and kill people who they used to work with...
I won't speculate on yesterdays shooting...
It is all so sad, so much hate, so much anger, so much pain...
While we cry, some will find comfort in the delusion that their god is just a little bit better than others...
And if there is a God, he may agree that he is great, but also all powerful and the shooter will be screwed.
I have this fantasy that one day, a great big booming voice will be heard throughout the world. "Will you idiots stop killing people in my name? If I want someone struck down, I'm well capable of doing it myself!"
On another note, I just saw the news about the Orlando shooting. I think I'll join Noam Saying and Mandy Manners in taking a break from this depressing real world for a while. I treated myself to to my first new book in ages yesterday, the true story of an RAF crew and a Luftwaffe night-fighter pilot battling each other over Germany. Reading that sounds like a good way of spending a saturday afternoon.
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