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Jon Stewart is Glenn Beck

Humor | Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:01:09 pm PST

Jon Stewart totally devours the scenery in a dead-on parody of the Glenn Beck Comedy Hour.

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1 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:03:16pm

Organs? Organize?!

LMAO!

2 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:04:37pm

This ought to be good.

3 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:04:50pm

You know who else didn't answer medical questions? Hitler.

LMAO!

4 countrockulot  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:05:21pm

Nice try, but everything on the chalkboard appears to be spelled correctly. I can only suspend disbelief so much.

5 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:08:13pm

He was dead on with his impersonation. DEAD ON. !!

6 Baier  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:08:53pm

Hooray! I'm glad you saw this video Charles!

7 wozzablog  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:10:16pm

comedy central have Canned UK access to Colbert and Stewart clips online :-(

BUT - i saw the whole daily show on the teevee box... ohhh yesss.

one of my moments of the year so far.

8 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:11:24pm

Wow. That was a long segment and he kept it from getting stale for 8 minutes. That was impressive.

9 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:11:55pm

And 3 herbs and spices.

10 Baier  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:12:12pm

"Apparently the medicine that was good enough for our founding fathers is now considered politically or medically incorrect."

11 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:12:38pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

Ketchup, salt and pepper.

12 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:13:11pm

I just peed my pants.

Thanks Charles, thanks a lot.

/epic funny!

13 Summer  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:13:16pm

That was brilliant and worth an award. =)

14 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:14:05pm

re: #8 Bloodnok

I think Stewart has mastered the entire portfolio of Beck gestures.

15 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:15:54pm

Taking his glasses off, putting them back on, taking them back off... can't stop laughing

16 fantasmaguero  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:16:22pm

Outstanding stuff. Thanks for the clip, Charles. Stewart just gets better and better.

17 Baier  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:17:09pm

re: #14 jaunte

I think Stewart has mastered the entire portfolio of Beck gestures.

And the vocal patterns. It's a great impression, and Jon Stewart is not known for impressions.

18 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:18:17pm

re: #14 jaunte

I think Stewart has mastered the entire portfolio of Beck gestures.

Yep. I'm not a big fan of John Stewart, but he did great here. He made it clear just what a loon Beck really is and he did without being nasty.

19 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:18:51pm

re: #14 jaunte

I think Stewart has mastered the entire portfolio of Beck gestures.

I wonder how many in the studio audience were even familiar with Beck enough to realize how dead-on it was. But it was funny enough even if you didn't know Beck's inflection and his gestures.

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:19:43pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Yep. I'm not a big fan of John Stewart, but he did great here. He made it clear just what a loon Beck really is and he did without being nasty.

At least he waited 'til Beck was in the hospital for an emergency appendectomy. Classy.

21 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:20:10pm

re: #14 jaunte

I think Stewart has mastered the entire portfolio of Beck gestures.

His weeping over Beck's internal organs was priceless.

22 simoom  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:21:05pm

re: #7 wozzablog

comedy central have Canned UK access to Colbert and Stewart clips online :-(

I think UK viewing can be done through Channel 4 on demand:
[Link: www.channel4.com...]

And for Canada, the Comedy Network:
[Link: watch.thecomedynetwork.ca...]

23 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:22:52pm

re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar

At least he waited 'til Beck was in the hospital for an emergency appendectomy. Classy.

By the time he did this skit, it was known by all that Glen Beck would make a full recovery. He didn't do this while the man's life was in danger or some such thing.

24 wozzablog  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:23:35pm

re: #22 simoom

good stuff. seems to work

i'd avoided C4 on demand since their software killed my pc a year or so back. But if they have iplayer format now it's all groovy

25 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:25:24pm

another Beck...A Day In The Life

27 wozzablog  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:26:45pm

re: #26 countrockulot

Classy.

///

28 Charles  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:27:26pm

I'm flabbergasted tonight to discover that the LGF web server has been running PHP 5, when I thought we were still using version 4. Apparently the new server was set up that way about a year ago, even though I thought we were staying at version 4.

I'm like a kid in a candy shop. PHP 5! New functions! Native JSON support! Simple XML! Cleaner object oriented code. Ahem. OK, I'll calm down.

29 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:27:39pm

Whoever added "Purity of Essence" as a balloon on the blackboard deserves an Emmy.

Just a perfect summation of teh crazy that is Beck.

30 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:28:35pm

Stewart is simply playing to his audience, which rarely watches Beck except in YouTube or similar formats. Its because Glenn Beck is an incredibly distinctive character and that Jon Stewart is a very talented actor that makes this so convincing, yet I've only seen a few clips of Beck (at his worst or course); all of the gestures and characterizations that Stewart portrayed of his were instantly recognizable. A job well done!

31 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:30:25pm

re: #28 Charles

I'm flabbergasted tonight to discover that the LGF web server has been running PHP 5, when I thought we were still using version 4. Apparently the new server was set up that way about a year ago, even though I thought we were staying at version 4.

I'm like a kid in a candy shop. PHP 5! New functions! Native JSON support! Simple XML! Cleaner object oriented code. Ahem. OK, I'll calm down.

Deep breaths!! It'll be okay!!

32 wozzablog  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:30:53pm

re: #28 Charles

and...relax

33 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:32:54pm

Charles and his toys...

34 webevintage  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:34:07pm

Brilliant.
I think that goes up there at the top of the list with the "Paste eaters and tiger petters" he and John Oliver did during the election.

35 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:34:17pm

re: #28 Charles

I'm flabbergasted tonight to discover that the LGF web server has been running PHP 5, when I thought we were still using version 4. Apparently the new server was set up that way about a year ago, even though I thought we were staying at version 4.

I'm like a kid in a candy shop. PHP 5! New functions! Native JSON support! Simple XML! Cleaner object oriented code. Ahem. OK, I'll calm down.

So the XML code makes more robust calls to the Backend Database?
Sweet! Are you using MySQL on the backend?
You have the best frontend code I have ever seen on a blog..Clean, Readable and functional code...Great coding...

36 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:37:49pm

re: #28 Charles

New toys!
Wheee!

37 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:38:30pm

re: #33 albusteve

Is Charles really in this one?

38 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:40:59pm

Just because!


[Link: www.dooney.com...]

39 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:41:58pm

Susan Tedeschi...covers John Prine...very tasty

40 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:42:18pm

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Just because!

[Link: www.dooney.com...]

Wha?

41 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:42:47pm

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Well, THAT was the wrong link...

42 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:43:22pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Is Charles really in this one?

yeah, he toured with Double Trouble for a couple of years...doing all the SRV licks for him...Stevie was ill at the time, so it worked out for everyone

43 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:43:31pm

Truly inspired. Thank God for John Stewart! I had to make sure I didn't laugh too hardd and wake my suite mates up. Absolutely fabulous!!!

44 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:43:53pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

Wha?

Big WHOOPS on my part!
(Hey, it wasn't Pr0n...)

45 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:46:19pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

Big WHOOPS on my part!
(Hey, it wasn't Pr0n...)

Sooner or later some lizard is going to hit the wrong button. I have
1 May 2010.

46 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:46:53pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

Big WHOOPS on my part!
(Hey, it wasn't Pr0n...)

It looked like you'd been looking at my browsing history!

47 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:48:32pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

TMI!

48 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:48:33pm

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Just because!

[Link: www.dooney.com...]

Nice..A few years ago I was down in Mexico shopping and saw a Dooney Burke purse for like a hundred bucks.. I was bored so I asked the dude..this can't be right? Yes..I'll sell it to you for 85 dollars..You buy..
Well I don't need a purse
60 dollars!
Really dude..I don't need a purse
50 dollars!
no really I don't want a purse
40 dollars
Do I look like I need a Dooney-Burke...
30 Dollars!
Dude I don't need need a purse
20 dollars!
So this is real?
It's real! 15 dollars...
no..no I don't need a ...
10 dollars.. My final offer!

Well..I didn't buy it...But what a bargain for a real Burke purse
/Bet I could have got him down to 5 dollars..
*wink*

49 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:48:52pm

Charles, or Stinky PLEASE delete my 38!
( I am very embarassed...)
Help?

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Just because!


[Link: www.dooney.com...]

50 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:49:45pm

re: #49 Floral Giraffe

Does that mean I should avoid clicking it at all costs?

51 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:49:46pm

re: #47 Irenicum

TMI!

It's a handbag!
Really - tmi?

52 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:50:42pm

re: #49 Floral Giraffe

Report it.

53 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:50:57pm

re: #51 reine.de.tout

Sorry. Time to clean the gutter between the ears again!

54 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:51:58pm

more ladies...Grace Potter

55 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:52:01pm

re: #53 Irenicum

My ears that is.

56 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:52:12pm

I was looking for a work tote in leather for my sister.
SIGH.

PIMF.
PIMF.

I just completely FAILed on this.
(It's a nice bag, if you need that sort of thing...)

Well, I'm the Lizard embarassement of the night, I guess.
Back to cooking dinner.
Slinks off...

57 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:53:14pm

re: #39 albusteve

Susan Tedeschi...covers John Prine...very tasty

[Video]

I love this guy. Just today I listened to this.

One of my favorites.

Sorry for the audio quality.

58 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:53:52pm

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

I think I've got ya beat on the embarrassment thing tonight, I should just go back to bed.

59 SteveC  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:54:41pm

HoosierHoops

News on both my friends - the one who might have heart surgery: They're going to adjust her medication and try a Brachoscopy (?) before deciding on the surgery.

My other friend got a surgical date in January. She quickly got tired of the waiting and asked the surgeon if she could reschedule earlier. Now she's set for Nov 16.

60 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:54:42pm

I think I'm going to post the Stewart Beck skit every day on my FB just because everyone NEEDS to see it!

61 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:54:57pm

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

I was looking for a work tote in leather for my sister.
SIGH.

PIMF.
PIMF.

I just completely FAILed on this.
(It's a nice bag, if you need that sort of thing...)

Well, I'm the Lizard embarassement of the night, I guess.
Back to cooking dinner.
Slinks off...

Aw shucks. It wasn't so bad. I think I remember someone actually linking to pr0n (by mistake) once a year or two ago. Don't be embarrassed.

62 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:55:01pm

I need some help!
There are a couple of sections of the cookbook containing 13 recipes each that need to be proofed. I haven't heard from the people who said they would do these, and I haven't gotten any responses to my e-mails.

I'm doing one of the sections - is there anyone here who would volunteer to proof the other one - please? If you can do it, click my nic, please and send an e-mail to the address there - it'll be in the right hand column, you may have to scroll down a bit.

63 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:55:34pm

re: #57 solomonpanting

I love this guy. Just today I listened to this.

One of my favorites.

Sorry for the audio quality.

cool...he's an icon, a real American handbag

64 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:57:11pm

Well, as long as folks are throwing SRV up here, take a listen to this little piece of live guitar heaven:

65 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:57:36pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

I need some help!
There are a couple of sections of the cookbook containing 13 recipes each that need to be proofed. I haven't heard from the people who said they would do these, and I haven't gotten any responses to my e-mails.

I'm doing one of the sections - is there anyone here who would volunteer to proof the other one - please? If you can do it, click my nic, please and send an e-mail to the address there - it'll be in the right hand column, you may have to scroll down a bit.

SOMEONE HELP THIS WOMAN OR I WILL YELL AGAIN.

66 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:57:40pm

re: #59 SteveC

HoosierHoops

News on both my friends - the one who might have heart surgery: They're going to adjust her medication and try a Brachoscopy (?) before deciding on the surgery.

My other friend got a surgical date in January. She quickly got tired of the waiting and asked the surgeon if she could reschedule earlier. Now she's set for Nov 16.

I updated the prayer list my friend...My God grant healing and grace to your dear friends

67 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:57:40pm

re: #30 Surabaya Stew

A job well done - and very funny.

What I would give for a fresh Durian.

Last time I was in Surabaya was after a week up in Tretes and then caught the ferry to Bali. Back in the 70s.

68 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:58:35pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

Done.

69 recusancy  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:59:10pm

Debate on healthcare live on CSPAN right now. If anyone wants to really woop it up on a Friday night. haha

70 SteveC  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:59:14pm

re: #66 HoosierHoops

I updated the prayer list my friend...My God grant healing and grace to your dear friends

Thank you!

71 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:59:48pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

Are any skills required, like cooking, or reading?

72 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:59:52pm

re: #66 HoosierHoops

I updated the prayer list my friend...My God grant healing and grace to your dear friends

Did you get me email concerning Beekiller?

73 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:00:54pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

Did you get me email concerning Beekiller?

No- I'm not trying to talk like a pirate. But this is why I'm not allowed to help Reine proofread.

74 Rightwingconspirator  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:01:18pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

Send it to me...

75 Rightwingconspirator  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:02:38pm

re: #65 Sharmuta

Okay see my 74

:)

76 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:03:43pm

re: #74 Rightwingconspirator

Send it to me...

You spelled "my" wrong.

77 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:05:59pm

re: #72 Sharmuta

Did you get me email concerning Beekiller?

Uh oh...No I didn't see it...But I haven't looked at yahoo for a week or so..
I'll check it this weekend.. You should email me at work, although I get a 1000 emails at work every day I at least read EVERY SINGLE ONE...Yahoo...Not so much.. I blame Charles..LGF cuts into my reading time
*wink*

78 Rightwingconspirator  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:06:15pm

re: #76 Sharmuta

Nah
R.D.T. has my email already

79 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:06:57pm

re: #77 HoosierHoops

I sent it to your yahoo account because I wasn't sure if prayer list stuff was cool to send to you at work, Sweetie.

80 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:09:39pm

re: #64 austin_blue

Well, as long as folks are throwing SRV up here, take a listen to this little piece of live guitar heaven:


certainly a classic...I've posted it many times

81 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:11:33pm

Stewart is an American genius.
OT~I appreciate President Obama ordering the federal flags around the country to be flown at half mast through Veteran's Day in honor of the slain at Ft. Hood.

82 nanook37  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:12:04pm

I love how hard he is trying just not to break out in laughter particularly in the first 4 minutes - Jon has done some really good bits before but this might be the best "acting" he has done on the Daily Show he just nails Beck's mannerisms and and cadence

83 ryannon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:12:43pm

@Killgore:

More Hippie Homebuilding Hijinks:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Be sure to check out the slideshow.

"Solar greenhouses" - what will these loons think of next?

84 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:13:40pm

re: #53 Irenicum

Sorry. Time to clean the gutter between the ears again!

Great! Just great! And where exactly am I supposed to keep my stuff now?
/homeless again

85 boyo  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:15:38pm

no oligarhy???

86 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:15:50pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

I sent it to your yahoo account because I wasn't sure if prayer list stuff was cool to send to you at work, Sweetie.

You should always email me at work my friend.. I use Yahoo for all the crap emails.. ( you know who I am talking about)
Kind regards..
As a system Admin I still get spam about how I could get the bigger thang
and buy Viagra cheap from Canada...I call our proofpoint Admin and give him crap about my spam email..
Dude...When the email has the word Penis in the title..Do you think your filters can catch that once in a while?
It's a running joke..I think he does it on purpose...

87 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:17:01pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Done.

Thank you!

88 nanook37  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:18:26pm

re: #48 HoosierHoops

Nice..A few years ago I was down in Mexico shopping and saw a Dooney Burke purse for like a hundred bucks.. I was bored so I asked the dude..this can't be right? Yes..I'll sell it to you for 85 dollars..You buy..
Well I don't need a purse
60 dollars!
Really dude..I don't need a purse
50 dollars!
no really I don't want a purse
40 dollars
Do I look like I need a Dooney-Burke...
30 Dollars!
Dude I don't need need a purse
20 dollars!
So this is real?
It's real! 15 dollars...
no..no I don't need a ...
10 dollars.. My final offer!

Well..I didn't buy it...But what a bargain for a real Burke purse
/Bet I could have got him down to 5 dollars..
*wink*

When I was down in my honeymoon in Jamaica, I wanted to rent a Jet ski and the resort didn't own one so the guy at the aquatic center told me to ask the guy buzzing around the docs if I cold rent his. He told me I could rent it for $80 which I told him was to much as I was a poor kid on his honeymoon. He replied $80 and a bunch of weed to which I replied I really couldn't spend that much cash and I didn't smoke weed. His response... OK $80 and even more weed... so I didn't choose to rent the jet ski...

89 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:18:30pm

re: #80 albusteve

certainly a classic...I've posted it many times

Are you familiar with this cat? Maybe the best little known guitarist in the States:

My buds Roscoe Beck and Tommy Taylor toured with him for years. Much more appreciated in Europe.

90 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:18:49pm

re: #74 Rightwingconspirator

Send it to me...

hey!
I've got you on hold for the next batch! THANKS for your help on the first section you did!

91 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:19:26pm

re: #83 ryannon

@Killgore:

More Hippie Homebuilding Hijinks:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Be sure to check out the slideshow.

"Solar greenhouses" - what will these loons think of next?

Wow! That some cool shit. I could happily live here. A little room for me and a lot of room to grow food. Thanks for posting that.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:19:47pm

re: #81 prairiefire

Stewart is an American genius.
OT~I appreciate President Obama ordering the federal flags around the country to be flown at half mast through Veteran's Day in honor of the slain at Ft. Hood.

Good. That's fitting.

93 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:20:47pm

re: #88 nanook37

Ya Man!
Jamaican music on the beach..Forget the speed boats bra...
*wink*

94 simoom  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:21:29pm

Kos and Tom Tancredo on with David Schuster to debate about Bachmann's healthcare protest. Tancredo walks off the set after Kos brings up his deferment and then doesn't apologize (jump to 2:55 for the juicy bit):

I'm not a fan of Tom Tancredo, but after Kos responded that he himself was a veteran, the depression deferment crack seemed an uncalled for and unnecessary escalation.

95 nanook37  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:21:34pm

re: #64 austin_blue

Well, as long as folks are throwing SRV up here, take a listen to this little piece of live guitar heaven:


[Video]

Right before he died he canceled a concert in Minneapolis that I couldn't make it to but I didn't check if I could make the make up date... He died about 6 days after the make up date and I have kicked myself ever since...

96 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:21:39pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

That looks like I imagine your home...
Excellent!

97 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:21:40pm

re: #89 austin_blue

Are you familiar with this cat? Maybe the best little known guitarist in the States:


My buds Roscoe Beck and Tommy Taylor toured with him for years. Much more appreciated in Europe.

nice...it's cool to know musicians...I get a big kick outa that stuff

98 abbyadams  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:22:05pm

re: #29 austin_blue

Huge fan of "Hammer and SICKle," myself. Less subtle, maybe. I loves me a good pun, tho'.

99 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #83 ryannon

The kid seemed to like the loft. Have you looked at Earthship houses?

100 Existential_Donuts  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:24:02pm

It suggests to me that Beck's shtick is an affectation. Beck may really believe what he is saying, but the melodrama is just there to stroke his knuckle dragging followers.

I honestly think Beck may not have all of his marbles, in a clinical sense. Not that I am in the least qualified to make that assessment.

101 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:24:39pm

re: #95 nanook37

Right before he died he canceled a concert in Minneapolis that I couldn't make it to but I didn't check if I could make the make up date... He died about 6 days after the make up date and I have kicked myself ever since...

My friend went to his last concert in Wisconsin. SRV & Eric Clapton on stage together...dueling guitars. He said it was unreal. I wish a video would come out.

102 ryannon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:25:01pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Wow! That some cool shit. I could happily live here. A little room for me and a lot of room to grow food. Thanks for posting that.

Yes indeed. Hobbit-like, but unaffectedly so: everything serves a purpose and nothing is 'decor'. Brilliant use of available resources.

Glad you liked it. And that greenhouse looks like hydroponics heaven...

103 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:26:01pm

re: #100 Existential_Donuts

It suggests to me that Beck's shtick is an affectation. Beck may really believe what he is saying, but the melodrama is just there to stroke his knuckle dragging followers.

I honestly think Beck may not have all of his marbles, in a clinical sense. Not that I am in the least qualified to make that assessment.

I get home from work on turn on Fox..pop open a cold beer and yell at the TV..
CRY BECK..Come on CRY BECK! Let me see those tears Glenn!
Clown TV

104 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Hi, do you have any areas of the cookbook that are Lean and need Beefing up? I have a few favorites in my arsenal.

105 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:27:36pm

Texas...that means some Delbert McClinton...encore

106 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:27:39pm

Babalu is reporting Cuban bloggers are being detained and 'beaten severely'.

Penultimos Dias has word that Yoani Sanchez and other Cuban bloggers have been arrested in Havana.

Yoani Sánchez, Orlando Luis Pardo, Ciro Díaz and Claudia Cadelo among those arrested. Cadelo is reported to have already been released. Details on whereabouts of other dissident bloggers are still sketchy.

107 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:27:44pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

All I know of Glenn Beck, I have learned on LGF.
My TV is still clean :)
Well, of Glenn Beck, at least!

108 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:27:59pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Hi Slumbering, talk to me about tri-tip. Is it more tender than an eye of round? Do you marinate it and grill it or roast?

109 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:28:11pm

re: #83 ryannon

Earthships

www.earthships.com

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:29:00pm

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

Babalu is reporting Cuban bloggers are being detained and 'beaten severely'.

Crap.

111 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:29:10pm

re: #104 prairiefire

Hi, do you have any areas of the cookbook that are Lean and need Beefing up? I have a few favorites in my arsenal.

Click her nic and check out the cookbook blog. She has a list there of what the book is lacking.

112 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:29:18pm

re: #94 simoom

Battle of the douchebags. Kos "screw them" Zungia is hardly someone to lecture people on tasteless behavior. Kos definately got the better of that exchange. Tancredo lost his cool, it's a shame the opponents of healthcare reform can't find better spokespeople. It's a godsend to the Dems.

113 albusteve  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:29:30pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

My friend went to his last concert in Wisconsin. SRV & Eric Clapton on stage together...dueling guitars. He said it was unreal. I wish a video would come out.

he played Kalamazoo the night before he died...I was there

114 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:30:31pm

re: #96 Floral Giraffe

That looks like I imagine your home...
Excellent!

She can water my plants any time.

115 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:30:50pm

re: #104 prairiefire

Hi, do you have any areas of the cookbook that are Lean and need Beefing up? I have a few favorites in my arsenal.

soups/stews
beverages/refreshments
salads

Those are the 3 categories we're a bit short in.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:31:11pm

re: #113 albusteve

he played Kalamazoo the night before he died...I was there

Jealous. He is one of the few musicians I wanted to see but missed.

117 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:31:35pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Battle of the douchebags. Kos "screw them" Zungia is hardly someone to lecture people on tasteless behavior. Kos definately got the better of that exchange. Tancredo lost his cool, it's a shame the opponents of healthcare reform can't find better spokespeople. It's a godsend to the Dems.

LOL! One is a douchebag, the other is a turd sandwich. lol

118 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:33:10pm

re: #115 reine.de.tout

soups/stews
beverages/refreshments
salads

Those are the 3 categories we're a bit short in.

Even after a year of lurking, I don't know much about the cookbook.
Is there a CB101?

119 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:33:14pm

re: #115 reine.de.tout

soups/stews
beverages/refreshments
salads

Those are the 3 categories we're a bit short in.

I have your "beverage/refreshment" category covered.

120 Nanook37  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:33:25pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

My friend went to his last concert in Wisconsin. SRV & Eric Clapton on stage together...dueling guitars. He said it was unreal. I wish a video would come out.

That was I think 3 days after the concert in Minneapolis I should have gone to. How cool would have the SRV/EC gig been...

121 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:35:23pm

re: #119 MandyManners

I have your "beverage/refreshment" category covered.

heh. Wish we could use those.
We've been askeerd of using anything that we know has been published elsewhere.

122 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:37:49pm

Beverages/Refreshments

The Mandy

submitted by MandyManners

1 lowball glass
1 bottle of Basil Hayden's

Step one: Remove cap from bottle
Step two: pour contents of bottle in glass
Step three: Drink

123 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:38:09pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Even after a year of lurking, I don't know much about the cookbook.
Is there a CB101?

If you click my nic, it will take you to the COOKBOOK BLOG!
You can read back and see what we did for Volume 1, how it was handled, etc.

The cookbook is priced to make a $5 "profit". The profits are split 50/50 between LGF and Soldier's Angels.

There is a link at the blog, you can take a look at Volume 1 and BUY A COPY if you want (they are printed to order). Pay attention to the artwork for Volume 1, our own Jaunte did that! It's worth the price of the cookbook all by itself.

124 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:38:24pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

Do you have the classic 7 layer salad?
Also, I've got a classic Italian w/ red onions and artichoke hearts.

125 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:38:46pm

re: #119 MandyManners

I have your "beverage/refreshment" category covered.

BUT - we have managed to include your Egg Goop in this copy.
With a special note.

126 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:38:59pm

re: #124 prairiefire

Do you have the classic 7 layer salad?
Also, I've got a classic Italian w/ red onions and artichoke hearts.

Send 'em on!

127 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:39:39pm

re: #124 prairiefire

Do you have the classic 7 layer salad?
Also, I've got a classic Italian w/ red onions and artichoke hearts.

Oooo!

128 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:39:41pm

I pity any fool that watches Beck and can't see that the guy is doing a gigantic put on. Its all a show for $$$.

Too bad people eat it up like pro wrestling.

129 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:39:49pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

I'm an engineer. Keep your proofs as far away from me as possible!

130 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:40:14pm

re: #105 albusteve

Texas...that means some Delbert McClinton...encore


[Video]

Delbert is 69 now.

131 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

OK, I will send to your email by Sunday. I have to check with my sis in law on the Italian.

132 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:40:23pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout

Got your links and they work fine. I have about 2-3 weeks of relative calmness around here before I get insanely busy. I'll take a look at them this weekend or early next week.

133 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:41:08pm

re: #131 prairiefire

Send it to Reine- I'm just the Cookbook Brute Squad.

134 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:41:11pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Got your links and they work fine. I have about 2-3 weeks of relative calmness around here before I get insanely busy. I'll take a look at them this weekend or early next week.

Thank you!

135 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:42:32pm

re: #130 austin_blue

Delbert is 69 now.

I love Delbert! I ripped everything he has done from the net
/Don't judge me!
*wink*

136 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:42:55pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

Will Do!

137 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:43:07pm

Chocolate chip cheese crisp. My favorite recipe.

138 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:43:11pm

Barney Frank present during marijuana bust

FOX25 has learned that Congressman Barney Frank was present during a marijuana arrest at James Ready's home in Ogunquit, Maine. Ready is well-known for his relationship with Congressman Frank.

According to a police report, police charged Ready with marijuana possession, cultivation and use of drug paraphernalia in August of 2007. Ready admitted to civil possession and paid a fine. The remaining charges were dismissed in 2008.

Sources tell FOX25 that when Frank was questioned he told police that he did not live in the house and that he only smoked cigars.

Congressman Frank tells FOX25 that he was surprised and disappointed with what police found. He also tells us that he wouldn't recognize a marijuana plant if he saw one because he is, "not a great outdoorsman," and ,"wouldn't recognize most plants."

139 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:43:15pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout

If you click my nic, it will take you to the COOKBOOK BLOG!
You can read back and see what we did for Volume 1, how it was handled, etc.

The cookbook is priced to make a $5 "profit". The profits are split 50/50 between LGF and Soldier's Angels.

There is a link at the blog, you can take a look at Volume 1 and BUY A COPY if you want (they are printed to order). Pay attention to the artwork for Volume 1, our own Jaunte did that! It's worth the price of the cookbook all by itself.

Thanks--Newbies need sekrit info.

140 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:43:17pm

re: #136 prairiefire

Indeed- or I will yell at you. ;)

141 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:44:08pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. My dinger is still broken.

142 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:44:24pm

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

Barney Frank present during marijuana bust

heh, is it 4:20 already?

143 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:44:29pm

re: #140 Sharmuta

Somehow I think you would do it in a nice way, maybe just loudly!

144 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:44:36pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. My dinger is still broken.

Too easy.

145 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:44:57pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

heh, is it 4:20 already?

It always is somewhere.

146 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:45:54pm

I can Ding!! Ding~A~Ling~A~Ding~Dong!

147 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:45:54pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. My dinger is still broken.

TMI

148 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:46:34pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

heh. Wish we could use those.
We've been askeerd of using anything that we know has been published elsewhere.

Why not ask the makers of Basil Hayden's if it would be okay to recommend it or the other bourbons they sell?

Heck, fire! It neve hurts to ask.

149 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:48:51pm

You know that commercial that has a down syndrome girl voted in as the homecoming queen?

Life imitating art.

Outgoing autistic student EHS homecoming king

Disabilities like autism can create a barrier from the world making it difficult to reach out and socialize with others.

In an inspiring embrace of acceptance on a mass scale, students at Ellison High School elected Jesse McKenzie their homecoming king, a young man with autism and an infectious outgoing attitude.

As Ellison's three candidates for homecoming king and queen walked to the middle of the football field at halftime of Friday's game, the packed student section chanted Jesse's name.

After the two runners-up were announced, Verna McKenzie embraced her son and friend Kyle Skinner clapped his hands in support.

McKenzie smiled widely as he bore the crown. The fans cheered their approval.

After standing for several photos on the sideline, Jesse indicated he was surprised and pleased and that he knew the sea of students cheering him on really cared about him.

150 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:49:37pm

re: #148 MandyManners

Why not ask the makers of Basil Hayden's if it would be okay to recommend it or the other bourbons they sell?

Heck, fire! It neve hurts to ask.

yeah, I'll ask!
If I use their brand name . . . it's publicity for them.

151 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:50:11pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

Beverages/Refreshments

The Mandy

submitted by MandyManners

1 lowball glass
1 bottle of Basil Hayden's

Step one: Remove cap from bottle
Step two: pour contents of bottle in glass
Step three: Drink

Step one: Open bottle.
Step two: pour a bit into the glass.
Step three: Sip and savor. (This is not "drinking" stuff. This is Basil Hayden's.)

152 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:50:47pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

yeah, I'll ask!
If I use their brand name . . . it's publicity for them.

See if they'd like to buy a full page ad.

153 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:50:49pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

BUT - we have managed to include your Egg Goop in this copy.
With a special note.

Fookin'-A!

154 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:51:33pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

BUT - we have managed to include your Egg Goop in this copy.
With a special note.

BTW, what's that last bit about?

155 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:51:52pm

(Brutally yanking the thread back on topic) Stewart starting in my time zone.
The Beck bit was such an effort, there will probably be backblast.
'Night All.

156 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:52:09pm

re: #130 austin_blue

Delbert is 69 now.

You fucking pervert!

157 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:52:18pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

yeah, I'll ask!
If I use their brand name . . . it's publicity for them.

Talk to their PR person; show them that they're already on the cover of Cookbook 1, and ask if they'd like to contribute to Soldier's Angels in exchange for a back cover ad...

158 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:52:39pm

The Astro Zombies is on instant play on Netflix (I know there are some b-movie aficionados out there). Currently at minute 3:00. Doesn't look like it's going to disappoint. :)
I'll stop talking to no one now.

159 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:52:55pm

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

Frank was questioned he told police that he did not live in the house and that he only smoked cigars.

Is that the latest slang?

160 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:54:18pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Um yes. I think I agree. And I'll leave it at that.

161 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:54:18pm

re: #154 MandyManners

BTW, what's that last bit about?

Special acknowledgment of our error and prominent display of your recipe.

162 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:54:20pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Is that a good Bourbon? My husband usually drinks Maker's Mark or Wild turkey.

163 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:54:30pm

re: #67 Bobibutu

A job well done - and very funny.

What I would give for a fresh Durian.

Last time I was in Surabaya was after a week up in Tretes and then caught the ferry to Bali. Back in the 70s.

Ah, the Durian...haven't developed a taste for them yet, although the smell doesn't bother me much anymore. You may be glad to know that they do have them shipped in nowadays to chinatowns across the USA, though I have been told that they're not quite the same as the original item. (Be prepared to spend about 3 dollars a pound.) It sounds like you have fond memories of your time in Indonesia, (albeit well before my day) so give one a try again...the scent and taste may bring back way more memories!

As for Surabaya, I visited every year between 2004 and 2008...you may be surprised that the core of the old town is still relatively intact, although the city has sprawled far beyond it's 70's boundaries. For a city with very few visitor attractions, there's something about it that makes it so easy to to meet and make friends. Hope to go back there on my Indonesian sojourn next year, finances permitting.

164 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:55:08pm

re: #157 jaunte

Talk to their PR person; show them that they're already on the cover of Cookbook 1, and ask if they'd like to contribute to Soldier's Angels in exchange for a back cover ad...

OK.
Not a bad idea.

165 Nanook37  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:57:05pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Too easy.

Does it involve a rope?

166 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:57:18pm

re: #108 prairiefire

Hi Slumbering, talk to me about tri-tip. Is it more tender than an eye of round? Do you marinate it and grill it or roast?

I honestly don't know how it compares to an eye of round, I mostly get Tri-Tip for the price and the fact that it's easy to cook. I always grill it, but I suppose you could roast it as well.

The benefit I get from grilling is that I buy it untrimmed as it is cheaper per pound. It will have about a half inch thick layer of fat on one side. I sear it on the lean side for a bit, then cook it the rest of the way on the fat side, which grills off most of the fat. Direct heat. I keep a squirt gun handy for the inevitable fat/flame flare up.

Sometimes I marinate with some of this mixed with some red wine vinegar, olive oil, and some cloves of crushed garlic. The amounts I use depend on the size of the cut. I marinate no more than 24 hours, as the vinegar starts to really break down the fat after that.

Sometimes I use a simple Pappy's rub, easy and tasty.

I grill until the internal temp reads about 140-145, then take it off and cover it for about 20-30 minutes. This helps the meat reabsorb the juices. Slice it against the grain as this makes for smaller fibers in the meat, which makes it more tender. I use an Appalachian Bow Saw, which can cut sandwich style thin slices.

One of these days, when I get brave, I may try out this paste:

1/2 cup grate Parmesan cheese
1/4 cup olive oil
1/4 cup red wine vinegar
2 tablespoons dried basil
2 tablespoons dried oregano
1 tablespoon seasoned pepper
4 cloves minced garlic

/Wow. Who knew that all it took to get me to blab on at length was to ask me about friggin' Tri-Tip?

167 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:57:59pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

yeah, I'll ask!
If I use their brand name . . . it's publicity for them.

Why not look into it?

168 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:59:19pm

re: #167 MandyManners

Why not look into it?

Yes, Sharmuta and Jaunte both suggested getting them to either buy the back cover for an ad, or get the ad for a donation to Soldier's Angels.

I'll get in touch with 'em.

Great ideas.

169 Rightwingconspirator  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:59:21pm

re: #153 MandyManners
Distant movie-cookbook reference
"Standstill you fooking praawwn"
Favorite line from District 19.

170 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:59:43pm

re: #161 reine.de.tout

Special acknowledgment of our error and prominent display of your recipe.

Oh, no.

No.

171 Nanook37  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:59:56pm

re: #162 prairiefire

Yes Basil Hayden is some pretty nice stuff - I like my Makers Mark but BH is a cut above (along with Bakers, Bookers, etc...)

172 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:00:50pm

re: #162 prairiefire

Is that a good Bourbon? My husband usually drinks Maker's Mark or Wild turkey.

Maker's is good stuff. So is WT 101.

173 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:01:32pm

re: #135 HoosierHoops

I love Delbert! I ripped everything he has done from the net
/Don't judge me!
*wink*

Delbert was one of the first Lubbockians to move to Austin. Waylon, Joe Ely, Jimmy Dale Gilmore, they all made their way down here during the heyday of the Armadillo. I was a lowly Second Louie in pilot training when a classmate invited me to his wedding in Austin in the late 70's. We got there the night before- a Friday- and went to the 'Dillo. It was the damndest thing. A local group, Shiva's Headband, opened and Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen headlined. I vowed that I would live in this town. After I flew jets for a while and did a fair amount of international oil field work, I moved here in '89.

Haven't regretted a minute of it. Great little city.

174 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:01:41pm

re: #162 prairiefire

But, off-the-cuff advice: it's all shit if he has a problem with any of it.

175 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:02:49pm

re: #156 MandyManners

You fucking pervert!

Am I getting dinged for that?

176 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:03:08pm

re: #175 austin_blue

Am I getting dinged for that?

In bed.

177 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:03:49pm

re: #175 austin_blue

Am I getting dinged for that?

Her dinger is broken.

178 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:04:10pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

Yes, Sharmuta and Jaunte both suggested getting them to either buy the back cover for an ad, or get the ad for a donation to Soldier's Angels.

I'll get in touch with 'em.

Great ideas.

Well, that'll bring Corporate Amerika right into the middle of it all.

179 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:04:14pm

I've got to laugh about this...
Every couple of minutes Winston goes prancing across the room like he is the Cock of the walk...He looks at me like he is so spoiled...And prances on...
I never thought in my life I would own a Beverly Hills Chihuahua who is completely spoiled...And such a brat...You see him in my avatar? When it snows here I'm putting him in the hot tub with sunglasses on..A drink and a tiny robe nearby...Should be a classic avatar..Spoiled little dog!

180 von  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:04:22pm

re: #28 Charles

I'm flabbergasted tonight to discover that the LGF web server has been running PHP 5, when I thought we were still using version 4. Apparently the new server was set up that way about a year ago, even though I thought we were staying at version 4.

I'm like a kid in a candy shop. PHP 5! New functions! Native JSON support! Simple XML! Cleaner object oriented code. Ahem. OK, I'll calm down.

How do you not know? That's funny...

181 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:05:42pm

re: #169 Rightwingconspirator

Distant movie-cookbook reference
"Standstill you fooking praawwn"
Favorite line from District 19.

I have no idea what you're talking about but, I'm sure it's humorous to those who do know.

182 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:05:55pm

Last weekend I saw something at Larry's Pistol & Pawn Shop that sparked my interest. The occasion was our 15th anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my wife Julie. What I came across was a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse- sized Tazer.

Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn't be all that bad with only two triple-A batteries, right? There I sat in my recliner, my cat Gracie looking on intently (trusting little soul) while I was reading the directions and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh & blood moving target. I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie (for a fraction of a second) and thought better of it. She is such a sweet cat.

So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, and tazer in another. The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a major loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water. Any burst longer than three seconds would be wasting the batteries.

What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best.. .

I'm sitting there alone, Gracie looking on with her head cocked to one side as to say, 'don't do it dipshit,' reasoning that a one second burst from such a tiny little ole thing couldn't hurt all that bad. I decided to give myself a one second burst just for heck of it. I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and . .

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD . . WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ... . WHAT THE HELL!!!

I'm pretty sure Jessie Ventura ran in through the side door, picked me up in the recliner, then body slammed us both on the carpet, over and over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears in my eyes, body soaking wet, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position, and tingling in my legs? The cat was making meowing sounds I had never heard before, clinging to a picture frame hanging above the fireplace, obviously in an attempt to avoid getting slammed by my body flopping all over the living room.

Note: If you ever feel compelled to 'mug' yourself with a tazer, one note of caution: there is no such thing as a one second burst when you zap yourself! You will not let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor.. A three second burst would be considered conservative?

IT HURT LIKE HELL!!!
A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at that point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape. My bent reading glasses were on the mantel of the fireplace. The recliner was upside down and about 8 feet or so from where it originally was. My triceps, right thigh and both nipples were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, and my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs. I had no control over the drooling.

Apparently I pooped on myself, but was too numb to know for sure and my sense of smell was gone. I saw a faint smoke cloud above my head which I believe came from my hair. I'm still looking for my nuts and I'm offering a significant reward for their safe return!

P.S... My wife, can't stop laughing about my experience, loved the gift, and now regularly threatens me with it!


If you think education is difficult, try being stupid

183 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

In bed.

Yow! I get the feeling that Mandy might be a little high maintenance...

((ducks. good thing that dinger is busted))

184 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:07:42pm

re: #175 austin_blue

Am I getting dinged for that?

I'm not able to "DING".

185 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:08:20pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Your Whack!er still works, though.

186 Rightwingconspirator  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:09:50pm

re: #181 MandyManners

Sorry, took a shot that you had seen the recent movie "District 19". Prawns as movie character and cookbook ingredient double entendre that just epic FAILed. My bad :)

187 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:10:23pm

re: #149 NJDhockeyfan

I absolutely love those kinds of stories! Thanks for sharing. Very cool and inspiring.

188 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:10:59pm

re: #182 Racer X

Last weekend I saw something at Larry's Pistol & Pawn Shop that sparked my interest. The occasion was our 15th anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my wife Julie. What I came across was a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse- sized Tazer.

Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn't be all that bad with only two triple-A batteries, right? There I sat in my recliner, my cat Gracie looking on intently (trusting little soul) while I was reading the directions and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh & blood moving target. I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie (for a fraction of a second) and thought better of it. She is such a sweet cat.

So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, and tazer in another. The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a major loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water. Any burst longer than three seconds would be wasting the batteries.

What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best.. .

I'm sitting there alone, Gracie looking on with her head cocked to one side as to say, 'don't do it dipshit,' reasoning that a one second burst from such a tiny little ole thing couldn't hurt all that bad. I decided to give myself a one second burst just for heck of it. I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and . .

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD . . WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ... . WHAT THE HELL!!!

I'm pretty sure Jessie Ventura ran in through the side door, picked me up in the recliner, then body slammed us both on the carpet, over and over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears in my eyes, body soaking wet, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position, and tingling in my legs? The cat was making meowing sounds I had never heard before, clinging to a picture frame hanging above the fireplace, obviously in an attempt to avoid getting slammed by my body flopping all over the living room.

Note: If you ever feel compelled to 'mug' yourself with a tazer, one note of caution: there is no such thing as a one second burst when you zap yourself! You will not let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor.. A three second burst would be considered conservative?

IT HURT LIKE HELL!!!
A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at that point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape. My bent reading glasses were on the mantel of the fireplace. The recliner was upside down and about 8 feet or so from where it originally was. My triceps, right thigh and both nipples were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, and my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs. I had no control over the drooling.

Apparently I pooped on myself, but was too numb to know for sure and my sense of smell was gone. I saw a faint smoke cloud above my head which I believe came from my hair. I'm still looking for my nuts and I'm offering a significant reward for their safe return!

P.S... My wife, can't stop laughing about my experience, loved the gift, and now regularly threatens me with it!

If you think education is difficult, try being stupid

Well, the traditional 15th anniversary gift is crystal, but if meth is not available, a taser is right up there on the Romantic Gift List.

;-)

189 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:10:59pm

re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks, that paste looks excellent! We still have a broken outside grill and I use my Crueset grill pan inside on the stove with the Jen-Air on. Mostly that just works for sirloin shish-kabobs and filets as everything else is too greasy for the stovetop.
I knew you would like to talk about tri-tip, seeing as how you prefer it over Birthday Cake!!
Night, Lizards!

190 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:11:17pm

re: #182 Racer X

Good gravy.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:11:47pm

Lech Walesa: Tough interview

Journalists often like to start out an interview with a softball question to break the ice before moving on to controversial topics. This tactic clearly doesn't work on former Polish President and Solidarity leader Lech Walesa:

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Are you looking forward to travelling to Berlin on Monday for the 20th anniversary celebration of the fall of the Berlin Wall?

Walesa: It's not important whether I'm looking forward to it or not. I am a politician who played an important role in the reunification of Germany and I was invited to take part in the celebration. It's not like a piece of candy handed out to a sweet little boy.

192 talon_262  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:11:58pm

re: #182 Racer X

You in or around Huntsville, AL, Racer?

193 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:12:14pm

re: #156 MandyManners

How dare you say what I was thinking!

194 ryannon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:13:48pm

re: #149 NJDhockeyfan

You know that commercial that has a down syndrome girl voted in as the homecoming queen?

Life imitating art.

Outgoing autistic student EHS homecoming king

They've come a long way since "Carrie"

195 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:14:17pm

re: #193 Irenicum

How dare you say what I was thinking!

Gutter minds. All gutter minds. If we are fortunate, we will all be 69.

In which case, we will all be perverts.

Not that there is anything wrong with that!

196 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:14:22pm

Oh man. Markos just pw0ned Tom Tancredo on the Ed Show (w/ David Schuster hosting)

197 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:15:02pm

re: #187 Irenicum

I absolutely love those kinds of stories! Thanks for sharing. Very cool and inspiring.

I like these kinds of stories too.

BTW...did you happen to see this today?

(Have tissues handy)

198 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:15:05pm

re: #163 Surabaya Stew

Ah, the Durian...

Yes - they freeze them here. Not the same. But I will pick one up just for fun - it's been a looong time.
Fond memories. There is an old saying in SEAsia - "when the Durians go down, the sarongs go up."

Spent several years working and traveling from Sumatra to Irian Jaya. The islands in the Flores Sea are my favorite.

Do you travel to Surabaya while in Indonesia or is that your primary destination?

199 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:15:25pm

re: #192 talon_262

You in or around Huntsville, AL, Racer?

CA

200 mich-again  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:15:41pm

re: #182 Racer X

Note: If you ever feel compelled to 'mug' yourself with a tazer, one note of caution: there is no such thing as a one second burst when you zap yourself! You will not let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor..

Note: I thought everyone knew that.

201 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:15:58pm

re: #190 MandyManners

Good gravy.

He mentioned the poop.

202 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:16:02pm

re: #173 austin_blue

It's the one part of Texas I've always wanted to visit for exactly what you described. Very cool. And very jealous.

203 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:16:09pm

re: #184 MandyManners

I'm not able to "DING".

They have drugs for that now.

204 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:16:23pm

I don't give a rat's about Beck, but at least Fox has had the decency to refuse to buy into the absolute crap that's being broadcast on the other networks re the nutjob major and his secondhand PTSD.
It's cowardly and absurd that they will not just report the news without disclaiming themselves all to hell with this ' the military made him do it ' shiite.
We get it... they don't like that George Bush went into the ME. They don't like his wars.
This is a lame, lame way to stomp their feet.

205 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:16:32pm

re: #200 mich-again

Note: I thought everyone knew that.

Now you tell me.

206 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:16:36pm

re: #196 Conservative Moonbat

Oh man. Markos just pw0ned Tom Tancredo on the Ed Show (w/ David Schuster hosting)


[Video]

Pity. If those two are contesting, I'd hope they both lose.

207 mich-again  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:16:46pm

re: #201 bosforus

He mentioned the poop.

He got the brown note too?

208 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:16:55pm

re: #196 Conservative Moonbat

Oh man. Markos just pw0ned Tom Tancredo on the Ed Show (w/ David Schuster hosting)


[Video]

How tough a shot is that? Tancredo is an ideologue. No meat behind the rhetoric.

209 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:17:16pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Step one: Open bottle.
Step two: pour a bit into the glass.
Step three: Sip and savor. (This is not "drinking" stuff. This is Basil Hayden's.)

I gotta give that a try. I'm mostly a craft beer guy, but I occasionally have some Makers.

210 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:17:17pm

re: #182 Racer X

Thanks; now I know what to not get my fiance for Christmas under any circumstances!
:-D

211 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:18:26pm

re: #182 Racer X

Look at it this way... if you wanted to be a cop ( at least here), you'd have to get 'tased, bro. They all have to experience it during their training.

212 talon_262  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:18:29pm

re: #199 Racer X

Wasn't sure if your story was something you ran across or if it was something you actually did...there's a Larry's Pistol and Pawn in Huntsville that the company I work for has as a customer.

213 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:18:32pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Pity. If those two are contesting, I'd hope they both lose.

Here's another unlikely pair.

Sarah Palin, Barney Frank to headline Gridiron Club Winter Dinner

214 abolitionist  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:19:01pm

On the blackboard, is that a Feynman diagram between ACORN and Che?

215 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:19:08pm

re: #208 austin_blue

How tough a shot is that? Tancredo is an ideologue. No meat behind the rhetoric.

So is Mr. "Screw them". He's just better at debating. He's still not someone I'll ever root for.

216 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:19:53pm

Racer X, you are nuts! The last time I zapped myself on purpose it was 220 volts. I decided that was enough of that.

217 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:19:55pm

re: #182 Racer X

Next time you get creative set up a video camera. That one would have gone viral on Youtube. Hell you probably could have sold it for megabucks.

Missed opportunity.

218 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:20:01pm

re: #204 tradewind

I don't give a rat's about Beck, but at least Fox has had the decency to refuse to buy into the absolute crap that's being broadcast on the other networks re the nutjob major and his secondhand PTSD.
It's cowardly and absurd that they will not just report the news without disclaiming themselves all to hell with this ' the military made him do it ' shiite.
We get it... they don't like that George Bush went into the ME. They don't like his wars.
This is a lame, lame way to stomp their feet.

Uhhh...Fox News: Fort Hood subject may have suffered from compassion fatigue

All the major cable networks wedge a narrative in between the facts, occassionaly make up facts, and cast about for audience hooks.

219 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:20:04pm

re: #204 tradewind

I haven't noticed any of that in the network news reports on the issue, but then again I don't have cable.

220 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:20:11pm

re: #212 talon_262

Wasn't sure if your story was something you ran across or if it was something you actually did...there's a Larry's Pistol and Pawn in Huntsville that the company I work for has as a customer.

I got that in email - I've never done anything like that. OK well yes I have. The spud gun incident is still legendary.

221 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:21:24pm

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

Here's another unlikely pair.

Sarah Palin, Barney Frank to headline Gridiron Club Winter Dinner

As long as they don't debate. Frank vs. Palin is like a match between M2HB and a moose. The moose may seem impressive, but you know who's going to win.

222 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:21:24pm

re: #182 Racer X

You just made my night! My stomach hurts from laughing so hard!

223 negativ  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:21:42pm

re: #64 austin_blue

Well, as long as folks are throwing SRV up here, take a listen to this little piece of live guitar heaven:


I'm heretically not a big SRV fan, so I must ask: do actual SRV fans like any of his songs that weren't Hendrix covers? I'm going to go all the way out on the limb and say that I don't think Stevie Ray Vaughn was a particularly imaginative musician, and I doubt that there would be as much veneration directed his way if he were still alive.

224 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:22:21pm

re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth

I haven't noticed any of that in the network news reports on the issue, but then again I don't have cable.

Cable is becoming less and less necessary these days. Most of my favorite shows can be found on these internets.

225 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:23:09pm

re: #202 Irenicum

It's the one part of Texas I've always wanted to visit for exactly what you described. Very cool. And very jealous.

Yeah, well, it's referred to by the 'Pubs as the People's Republic of Travis County. Go figure. Low crime. Thriving arts scene (I attended a fund raiser with Richard Linklater last night- he's shorter than you would think). Solid growth. It's kind of a capitalist heaven. But hated by many of the people in this State.

Typical tag line:

"Steers and queers, nowhere but Austin."

226 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:23:10pm

re: #214 abolitionist

On the blackboard, is that a Feynman diagram between ACORN and Che?

Oh, bless you.

227 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:23:37pm

re: #223 negativ

I'm heretically not a big SRV fan, so I must ask: do actual SRV fans like any of his songs that weren't Hendrix covers? I'm going to go all the way out on the limb and say that I don't think Stevie Ray Vaughn was a particularly imaginative musician, and I doubt that there would be as much veneration directed his way if he were still alive.

Why do you have to go negative on SRV?

/Oh, the nickname.

228 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:24:05pm

re: #223 negativ

I'm heretically not a big SRV fan, so I must ask: do actual SRV fans like any of his songs that weren't Hendrix covers? I'm going to go all the way out on the limb and say that I don't think Stevie Ray Vaughn was a particularly imaginative musician, and I doubt that there would be as much veneration directed his way if he were still alive.

Music is like fine wine..
Every one can disagree and still be right..
It's a matter of taste..

229 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:24:49pm

re: #218 WindUpBird
It's not their fault that they have to report/ write news copy about what the other a---holes say.
I'm talking about their opinion shows, their talking heads. The Op/ed'ing on the other networks is sickening.
BTW... did we ever find out whether or not the aloha snackbar [sic] slogan was shouted , or was that a rumor?

230 mich-again  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:26:19pm

re: #205 Racer X

Now you tell me.

I bet that was somewhere in the owner's manual.

231 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:26:52pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

So is Mr. "Screw them". He's just better at debating. He's still not someone I'll ever root for.

It's not a matter of "root for". If a right wing ideologue can be taken to pieces in an open debate like that, one has to wonder what the basis of his supporter's faith entails! If the Emperor has no clothes, why is anyone listening to him when he flaps his jaws?

232 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:27:12pm

re: #225 austin_blue

Yeah, well, it's referred to by the 'Pubs as the People's Republic of Travis County. Go figure. Low crime. Thriving arts scene (I attended a fund raiser with Richard Linklater last night- he's shorter than you would think). Solid growth. It's kind of a capitalist heaven. But hated by many of the people in this State.

Typical tag line:

"Steers and queers, nowhere but Austin."

Thriving tech and game development scene as well. A lot of folks consider Portland and Austin to be sister cities. Texas can hate 'em all they want, there are brilliant minds in Austin.

234 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:28:43pm

re: #223 negativ

I'm heretically not a big SRV fan, so I must ask: do actual SRV fans like any of his songs that weren't Hendrix covers? I'm going to go all the way out on the limb and say that I don't think Stevie Ray Vaughn was a particularly imaginative musician, and I doubt that there would be as much veneration directed his way if he were still alive.

Roadhouse blues is not for everyone, but as a practitioner, he was killer bee. I understand that it might not be your cup of tea.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:29:02pm

re: #182 Racer X

That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Thank you for sacrificing yourself for the amusement of lizards.

236 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:29:14pm

re: #232 WindUpBird

When I was in school at UT Austin, that line "Steers and queers, nowhere but Austin" came mostly from disappointed Aggies.

237 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:29:22pm

re: #229 tradewind

It's not their fault that they have to report/ write news copy about what the other a---holes say.
I'm talking about their opinion shows, their talking heads. The Op/ed'ing on the other networks is sickening.
BTW... did we ever find out whether or not the aloha snackbar [sic] slogan was shouted , or was that a rumor?

Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, the opinion shows are different. The only opinion show on any of the cable news networks I like is Rachel Maddow. And her mostly because her show is sort of half Daily Show.


(Aloha Snackbar XD)

238 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:29:37pm

re: #231 austin_blue
It's an individual-to-individual thing.
Try having Nancy Pelosi debate Newt Gingrich, and get back to us.

239 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:31:33pm

re: #238 tradewind

It's an individual-to-individual thing.
Try having Nancy Pelosi debate Newt Gingrich, and get back to us.

Not fair, Gingrich isn't in office. Gimme Gingrich versus HOWARD DEAN. I'd pay for tickets to that. I'd buy the foam #1 finger and the popcorn and the overpriced beer.

240 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:33:13pm

re: #232 WindUpBird

Thriving tech and game development scene as well. A lot of folks consider Portland and Austin to be sister cities. Texas can hate 'em all they want, there are brilliant minds in Austin.

Many of the smartest kids in Texas come to UT and get degrees. Then they look around and think: back to Abilene? Lubbock? Amarillo? Odessa? Laredo?

I think I'll just stay here.

There's a huge pool of educated talent in this town. Renewable energy is the next big growth node here.

241 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:33:36pm

re: #239 WindUpBird

Not fair, Gingrich isn't in office. Gimme Gingrich versus HOWARD DEAN. I'd pay for tickets to that. I'd buy the foam #1 finger and the popcorn and the overpriced beer.

Dean would be screaming in pain by the time that was over. Gingrich would mop the floor with him or Pelosi.

242 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:33:56pm

STOP THE PRESSES!

Michelle Obama has finally made a worst dressed list with this top. Finally.

243 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:33:59pm

re: #225 austin_blue

Maybe that's why it's the only part of Texas I'd actually like! I'm not gay, but I've always liked the arts scene and have typically found that the neighborhoods that they thrive in are also quite gay friendly. I guess it's that whole "acceptance" thang! And btw, that's a wonderful thang!

244 miclaine  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:35:11pm

re: #182 Racer X

I have tears in my eyes. I am sorry if you got hurt but that was hilarious!! I am going to send that story to everyone I know!

245 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:35:39pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Dean would be screaming in pain by the time that was over. Gingrich would mop the floor with him or Pelosi.

I could not disagree with you more. 8-) I think it'd be a matched fight. Pelosi? eh. But Dean is sharp as a tack.

I think Pelosi versus Boehner would be pretty funny. That could be the undercard.

246 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:35:56pm

re: #237 WindUpBird
/That must not be the Daily Show that I know/
I watch Morning Joe, and occasionally Way Too Early, if I am forced to be up at that time of day. The rest of MSNBC's broadcast day is hopeless.
Reasonable people may disagree, of course.
Except when it comes to KaYo. You can't knock Beck and leave out Olbermann , because while he's a different flavor, he's the same kind of insane.

247 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:36:18pm

re: #232 WindUpBird

So it's artsy and techy. Double cool with a strawberry on top!

248 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:37:08pm

re: #198 Bobibutu

Ah, the Durian...

Yes - they freeze them here. Not the same. But I will pick one up just for fun - it's been a looong time.
Fond memories. There is an old saying in SEAsia - "when the Durians go down, the sarongs go up."

"Ketika dudian jatuh... sarung nya naik" That saying still hold true for the locals, although before I got engaged, there was no need for Durians whenever the time for romance came around! The fruit is still primarily seen as a male aphrodisiac; women will encourage their mates to eat quantities of it before getting them to take Jamu for their "problems". Children prefer it in chip or cookie flavors...totally gross!

Spent several years working and traveling from Sumatra to Irian Jaya. The islands in the Flores Sea are my favorite.

Have only been to Java, Bali and Sulawesi; am getting jealous just thinking about how much fun all that traveling must have been! Was this more of a backpacker thing or for work?

Do you travel to Surabaya while in Indonesia or is that your primary destination?

Since 2004, Indonesia has been my primary destination when vacation time comes around. It was in fact on my first visit to Surabaya that year (on 9/11, ironically enough) that the rest of SE Asia faded away in importance. Somehow, I knew I'd be coming back there again and fate has continually led me there...

249 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:38:48pm

SRV tearing it up.

250 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:39:07pm

re: #182 Racer X

I can't remember laughing that hard before!

251 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:39:25pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

STOP THE PRESSES!

Michelle Obama has finally made a worst dressed list with this top. Finally.

I actually think it looks good on her.

252 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:40:35pm

re: #238 tradewind

It's an individual-to-individual thing.
Try having Nancy Pelosi debate Newt Gingrich, and get back to us.

Understood. But that was not what you saw live and in living color. You saw an anti-immigration and culture war ideologue, Tancredo, being taken apart. Your scenario is possible, perhaps even likely. But we will not know that unless it happens.

What you saw was not *potential* but actual.

Tancredo was incompetent at best and a complete idiot at worst. Hard to spin it any other way.

253 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:40:59pm

re: #230 mich-again

I bet that was somewhere in the owner's manual.

Education is when you read the fine print.
Experience is what you get when you don't.

254 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:41:34pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

RINO!
/

255 mich-again  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:41:38pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

That would be a good shirt to wear when you're painting a room.

256 bratwurst  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:42:43pm

Aw man...not one pro-Beck flounce over this?

257 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:42:52pm

There's a segment about NYC radical Muslims on Anderson Cooper's CNN show right now. Probably be uploaded to YouTube before the top of the hour.

258 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:42:53pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

I actually think it looks good on her.

It was ugly, imo. She has some ugly stuff, but a lot of decent stuff too. Not sure why everyone is gushing over her clothes, but at least they have the ability now to put her on the bad list when they think she's bombed. It's the first time I've seen her on yahoo's worst dressed of the week list, and there have been way worse get ups than that top.

260 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:43:42pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

STOP THE PRESSES!

Michelle Obama has finally made a worst dressed list with this top. Finally.

Is she whining again?

WAFL.

261 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:44:18pm

re: #259 Ojoe

Towercam?

262 wee fury  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:44:24pm

Funny clip. Am still laughing!

263 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:44:38pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon
I think she looks fine in it as well.
She amazes me because she can go from looking really, really polished and beautifully dressed in some photos to just ... tacky / frumpy in others. Maybe that makes her a typical American woman, I don't know, but for a First Lady, her style is remarkably inconsistent.

264 Ojoe  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:45:01pm

Yes, 261 works.

Goodnight.

265 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:45:38pm

re: #256 bratwurst

Aw man...not one pro-Beck flounce over this?

Was just thinking the same thing...perhaps the Beck-heads all think Jon Stewart's mockery is actually a show of flattery towards their hero!

266 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:47:47pm

re: #246 tradewind

/That must not be the Daily Show that I know/
I watch Morning Joe, and occasionally Way Too Early, if I am forced to be up at that time of day. The rest of MSNBC's broadcast day is hopeless.
Reasonable people may disagree, of course.
Except when it comes to KaYo. You can't knock Beck and leave out Olbermann , because while he's a different flavor, he's the same kind of insane.

Beck and Olbermann's techniques aren't totally dissimilar, there's some of that similar zaniness. Beck comes from morning zoo format shock jock radio. Olbermann comes from Sportscenter. They're both used to having their way as entertainers, they're both personalities first, and used to getting away with stuff.

But to be fair, Beck's rhetoric is nastier than Olbermann's, overall. Beck is arguably fucking up the GOP. Olbermann isn't really damaging the Democratic party, doesn't elevate completely implausible conspiracy theories (Rockefeller!) and does not have the influence Beck does.

if you want leftist rhetoric that is as harsh as Beck, I got just the dude. A guy named Mike Malloy who is screaming bonkers on syndicated talk radio and XM. Very angry, very conspiracy-theory minded. Like almost Alex-Jones levels. And thankfully fringey.

(I don't mind Scarborough. Don't usually agree with him, and I'm never up that early, but he's easy to watch. And he seems to intensely dislike the Gold-Standard-Beardo-Tshirt wing of his party)

267 Hector1980  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:49:06pm

I loved this clip, of course I may be a bit biased because I'm a huge Stewart (and Colbert) fan, but even though he's always been charming and witty, I never really considered him a good impersonator and he does a bang-up job with Beck.

It was sharply written satire delivered perfectly.

268 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:49:14pm

re: #247 Irenicum

So it's artsy and techy. Double cool with a strawberry on top!

The weather would KILL me though. I cannot deal with the heat and climate in Texas. I want my trees and rain and grunge and city-sized used bookstores.

269 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:49:43pm

re: #252 austin_blue
Both camps have within their ranks speakers who are eloquent and speakers who can barely string together a sentence.

270 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:49:53pm

re: #268 WindUpBird

Agreed. I'm a northerner by nature. I need my seasons!

271 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:50:44pm

re: #266 WindUpBird

Have you ever heard of the phrase: cock-sucking, mother-fucking son-of-a-bitch>

272 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:51:18pm

re: #271 MandyManners

Have you ever heard of the phrase: cock-sucking, mother-fucking son-of-a-bitch>

I have!

273 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:51:53pm

?

274 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:51:56pm

re: #196 Conservative Moonbat

I just watched the clip. As much as Tancredo is a nativist twit, Markos was being an asshole. He should apologize for that. It was shameful.

275 MikeySDCA  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:52:00pm

MSM rhetoric: On NBC Nightly New tonight, Brian Williams spoke of the "colossal death toll" at Fort Hood. If 13 dead is a colossal death toll, what are they going to call the next jumbo jet crash, the end of the world?

276 mich-again  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:53:06pm

Nice song and great story to go with it.

Robert Bradley's Blackwater Surprise - Once Upon A Time

277 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:53:12pm

8-Year-Old Guitar Prodigy Stuns Audiences

Eight-year-old Tallan Latz, of Elkhorn, is billed as the "youngest performing blues guitarist in the world." and is playing gigs and racking up endorsement deals.

278 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:53:14pm

re: #266 WindUpBird
We'll just have to disagree, as I find Olbermann particularly nasty and bordering on unhinged in his attacks on more than one occasion.
As have his bosses, reportedly... he has been advised to seek counseling before, and GE/NBC's powers that be have been known to not let him appear on the air if they're worried about the topic.

279 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:53:38pm

re: #266 WindUpBird

Agreed that Beck is in a league of his own; isn't Olbermann more like Bill O'Reilly though? Similar sports background, similar minimal influence on their party, similar mix of high intensity and mild insanity?

280 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:54:02pm

Night lizards. Have a great Saturday.

281 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:54:55pm

re: #243 Irenicum

Maybe that's why it's the only part of Texas I'd actually like! I'm not gay, but I've always liked the arts scene and have typically found that the neighborhoods that they thrive in are also quite gay friendly. I guess it's that whole "acceptance" thang! And btw, that's a wonderful thang!

Well, everybody knows (wink) that the only gay people in Texas live in Houston, Dallas, and Austin. Houston and Dallas have enclaves (the Montrose and Deep Elum/Lower Greeneville), but in Austin, not so much. I have lots of gay couples in my 'hood, and it is common throughout the City. Out in the 'burbs, it's different. Very Conservative out in Williamson County. But that is slowly changing, too.

282 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:55:10pm

re: #268 WindUpBird

Oh, and speaking of city sized used book stores. Strand Books in NYC is absolutely nirvana! I always go there when I'm in NY. Truly one of the greatest places on earth!

283 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:56:27pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

I actually think it looks good on her.

Yeah, not so bad. She doesn't look like a school marm.

284 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:57:18pm

re: #279 Surabaya Stew
Olbermann more like O'Reilly?
Uhm, no... but he wishes, and it has led him to launch a long running vendetta.

285 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:58:14pm

re: #278 tradewind

We'll just have to disagree, as I find Olbermann particularly nasty and bordering on unhinged in his attacks on more than one occasion.
As have his bosses, reportedly... he has been advised to seek counseling before, and GE/NBC's powers that be have been known to not let him appear on the air if they're worried about the topic.

I'm not a big fan of Olbermann, don't get me wrong. I don't like Olbermann's Special Comments. They make my skin crawl. And he's apparently a monster to work for, I definitely know all about that. I'm a geek for behind the scenes sausage-being-made stuff about TV and radio personalities.

Still, I think it's a matter of potential crazy versus fully realized crazy. Beck is at the top of the mountain, and his show's format is more "pure". It's him throwing everything he's got at the audience. Olbermann's show is sort of a bunch of disorganized scattered stuff, some FARK news-of-the-weird thrown in, some snarky zings, some pop culture riffing from guests. The show's not that focused.

286 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:58:30pm

re: #260 MandyManners

Is she whining again?

WAFL.

Now, now Mandy. Your loathing of the First Lady is well known. I think she's actually done a pretty good job.

287 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:59:09pm

re: #279 Surabaya Stew

Agreed that Beck is in a league of his own; isn't Olbermann more like Bill O'Reilly though? Similar sports background, similar minimal influence on their party, similar mix of high intensity and mild insanity?

I would say yes! Olbermann compares MUCH more closely to O'Reilly. Formats are closer, egoism and technique is closer.

288 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:59:37pm

re: #275 MikeySDCA
Just an example of the reporting. Newsweek has offered their valuable and helpful input with the headline ' Is this the tip of the iceberg? '
/This from a media that is sinking like the Titanic./

289 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:59:55pm

re: #281 austin_blue

Well, everybody knows (wink) that the only gay people in Texas live in Houston, Dallas, and Austin. Houston and Dallas have enclaves (the Montrose and Deep Elum/Lower Greeneville), but in Austin, not so much. I have lots of gay couples in my 'hood, and it is common throughout the City. Out in the 'burbs, it's different. Very Conservative out in Williamson County. But that is slowly changing, too.

Not so much in Austin? I thought Austin would have more gay people than Dallas or Houston.

Texas is all right for the most part, but we're lacking in gay people and Jews. We have a few, but not many.

290 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:00:26pm

re: #282 Irenicum

Oh, and speaking of city sized used book stores. Strand Books in NYC is absolutely nirvana! I always go there when I'm in NY. Truly one of the greatest places on earth!

This is my second home: Powell's City of Books

1.6 acres of bookstore!

291 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:00:58pm
292 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:00:59pm

re: #269 tradewind

Both camps have within their ranks speakers who are eloquent and speakers who can barely string together a sentence.

Agreed! But there's a little part of me that loves to see a Beck/Palin/Limbaugh hero get the shit kicked out of them for being an incompetent boob.

293 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:01:17pm

re: #287 WindUpBird

And ratings are ...
worlds apart. I'm not such an O'Reilly fan, but O'really... they are not exactly in the same league. One has millions of nightly viewers and lots of best selling books, the other one limps in with a few hundred thou and whines all the time about George Bush.

294 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:01:29pm

re: #284 tradewind

Olbermann more like O'Reilly?
Uhm, no... but he wishes, and it has led him to launch a long running vendetta.

Well, just in terms of background and demeanor and not accomplishments, as Olbermann is a generation removed from Papa Bear. And one can't help but notice that the "vendetta" has been good business for FOX and MSNBC.

295 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:02:13pm

re: #289 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not so much in Austin? I thought Austin would have more gay people than Dallas or Houston.

Texas is all right for the most part, but we're lacking in gay people and Jews. We have a few, but not many.

I didn't realise that there was a shortage, can anything be done to encourage more people to be gay?

/

296 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:02:45pm

re: #292 austin_blue
You need to get out more then... there are things that are way more fun.

297 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:03:35pm

re: #278 tradewind

So the take away message here is that Olbermann's bosses are more concerned for his mental health and the discussed topics than Beck's bosses are for same?

/

298 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:03:39pm

re: #282 Irenicum

Oh, and speaking of city sized used book stores. Strand Books in NYC is absolutely nirvana! I always go there when I'm in NY. Truly one of the greatest places on earth!

Still is great, and it seems to be holding up well in the recession.

299 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:03:53pm

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

That kid is unreal! I look forward to what he does in the years ahead.

300 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:04:13pm

re: #294 Surabaya Stew
I missed that part about the good for ratings. And since Olby's bosses told him to knock it off, I guess they missed it too.

301 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:05:05pm

re: #280 NJDhockeyfan

You too! Thanks for the links.

302 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:05:16pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

He was dead on with his impersonation. DEAD ON. !!

Must admit, that was inspired. I love impressions.

303 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:05:27pm

re: #297 Slumbering Behemoth

No, probably the message is that Beck's bosses know his schtick is a huge act, and Olbermann's are worried that his is not.
Then again, there's that pesky ratings thing, which might make them less tolerant.

304 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:06:36pm

re: #300 tradewind

Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I remember hearing that ratings for both men went up during their "feud", albeit Olbermann's from a lower base.

305 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:06:41pm

re: #289 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not so much in Austin? I thought Austin would have more gay people than Dallas or Houston.

Texas is all right for the most part, but we're lacking in gay people and Jews. We have a few, but not many.

I wasn't clear. Austin has a very healthy gay population, but they are not in "gay enclaves" like Houston and Dallas. They are disseminated throughout the town.

As far as the Jewish population is concerned, again, we have a healthy cohort here, active in politics and accepted as equal members of the polity. It's not an issue.

Which is very nice indeed.

306 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:07:37pm

re: #293 tradewind

And ratings are ...
worlds apart. I'm not such an O'Reilly fan, but O'really... they are not exactly in the same league. One has millions of nightly viewers and lots of best selling books, the other one limps in with a few hundred thou and whines all the time about George Bush.

Oh, that's true. Olbermann is the dog nipping at the heels of the big conservative hosts. If you want to know what the REAL cable liberal show is, it's The Daily Show. Because we want more entertainment with our opinion. 8-) Not as many viewers as O'Reilly, but they're in a much more valuable (younger) demographic.

307 Locker  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:07:58pm

Into this thread late but just wanted to say "Thanks Charles" for posting this video. I just happened to see this tonight on TV and thought it would be a wonderful LFG thread. Nice one.

308 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:08:04pm

re: #304 Surabaya Stew
You would think. People do supposedly like a good on-air fight.
Not something I would be interested in.

309 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:08:06pm

re: #248 Surabaya Stew

Have only been to Java, Bali and Sulawesi; am getting jealous just thinking about how much fun all that traveling must have been! Was this more of a backpacker thing or for work?

I had a contract with Pertamina. The country had never been surveyed. They sent me with a "portable" computer, a satellite receiver and a generator (the USNavy GPS satellite system had recently been partially declassified - Pueblo Incident w/NKorea) to set benchmarks for oil exploration and position offshore oil rigs. I lived on Bali at Kuta Beach (before it became popular) between trips. The Indonesian military provided most of my transportation and support.

I would love to go back to many of the places they sent me but it would be a logistical nightmare in cost and many of them inaccessible with just a tourist visa.

I understand your focus on Indonesia. I spent 12 years in SEAsia. There are great places in other countries however Indonesia is my favorite as well.

310 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:08:26pm

re: #303 tradewind

No, probably the message is that Beck's bosses know his schtick is a huge act, and Olbermann's are worried that his is not.
Then again, there's that pesky ratings thing, which might make them less tolerant.

I agree with this. Olbermann is more the believer, Beck is putting on a show.

311 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:09:26pm

re: #310 WindUpBird

I agree with this. Olbermann is more the believer, Beck is putting on a show.

I think Beck is delusional.

312 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:09:35pm

re: #303 tradewind

Money. If Olbermann made his bosses more of it than Beck does for his, the situation would be reversed.

313 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:09:43pm

re: #288 tradewind

Newsweak? Did you say Newsweak? Ptooey!

314 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:09:59pm

re: #291 solomonpanting

Is this for real?

Kid's got some pipes.

315 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:10:51pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Yep. I'm not a big fan of John Stewart, but he did great here. He made it clear just what a loon Beck really is and he did without being nasty.

He's still a tool for that Iran trip stunt his show perpetrated, though.

316 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:10:58pm

re: #308 tradewind

For all my talk on the issue, I don't even like either man! Guess they are more interesting as symbols of differing ends of the MSM then for their content...

317 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:11:20pm

re: #311 Sharmuta

I think Beck is delusional.

I'm more cynical, I think it's more or less an act.

318 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:11:29pm

re: #290 WindUpBird

If I ever make it out to that part of the country, I'll definitely check it out!

319 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:11:43pm

re: #275 MikeySDCA

You probably get close to that with a couple of flipped SUVs full of illegals in your neck of the woods.

320 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:12:36pm

re: #317 WindUpBird

I'm more cynical, I think it's more or less an act.

It's that or delusion or he's really a woman because there is no other excuse for a man his age to cry at Paul Anka. Srsly.

321 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:12:38pm

re: #311 Sharmuta

I think Beck is delusional.

Promotes Birchers, Paulian themes, and other styles of trooferistic conspiracy mongering. Yes, that qualifies as delusional.

322 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:12:56pm

What are the chances that we'll find out why the Army left this Hasan shooter in place to practice medicine after he gave them every reason to not only remove him but boot him out of the armed services altogether?
This is what is bothering me more than anything (except the sadness for the loss of life) about the Ft Hood tragedy. Who left him in place?

323 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:13:42pm

re: #316 Surabaya Stew

I'm pretty much there as well.

324 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:13:44pm

re: #291 solomonpanting

Is this for real?

Yup. An indictment of the west that stands and watches the starvation of children and the recruitment of children as child soldiers. That's pretty serious.

What was your question?

325 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:14:33pm

re: #320 Sharmuta
There's Vicks Vapo-Rub. There's your reason.///

326 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:14:37pm

re: #320 Sharmuta

Wow. Misogynist much?
///
;)

327 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:14:53pm

re: #305 austin_blue

Agreed.

328 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:15:37pm

re: #313 Irenicum

Sorry, my typo.///
:)

329 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:16:16pm

re: #322 tradewind

There will be investigations. Whether or not we hear the details is another story.

330 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:16:58pm

re: #305 austin_blueThat's good to hear.

Here in DFW all the gay people I've seen work at Whole Foods. ;) It's not often that I see (obviously) Jewish folk, either. We've got everything else but I get the sense there's a lot of prejudice against gay people and Jews around here, mainly because the locals don't know any. Being from the Northeast it took me a while to get used to the fact that there are tons of non-white people here, but hardly any Jews, and not that many Catholics either.

331 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:18:43pm

re: #320 Sharmuta

It's that or delusion or he's really a woman because there is no other excuse for a man his age to cry at Paul Anka. Srsly.

Hey, cut Paul Anka some slack.
Paul Anka: Smells Like Teen Spirit

332 mich-again  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:18:46pm

re: #322 tradewind

Who left him in place?

Indeed.

333 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:19:23pm

re: #295 Bagua

I didn't realise that there was a shortage, can anything be done to encourage more people to be gay?
/

Hm. Advertising? Emphasize the fashion and fun, maybe?

/

Seriously, to be almost perfectly diverse, we need more gay people and Jews. How's that for a Texas Tea Party Sign:

"SEND MORE GAYS AND JEWS"

334 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:25:02pm

re: #330 Pawn of the Oppressor

I lived in West Mich for 12 years and the lack of ethnic diversity was one of the toughest things for me to get around. I had been used to hearing 4/5 languages before I hit the next block walking to the neighborhood deli. I loved the people there, to be sure. And made many close friends. But it's nice to be back to a nice smorgasbord of people back east. vive la diference! (pardon the spelling!)

335 Locker  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:25:58pm

re: #330 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's good to hear.

Here in DFW all the gay people I've seen work at Whole Foods. ;) It's not often that I see (obviously) Jewish folk, either. We've got everything else but I get the sense there's a lot of prejudice against gay people and Jews around here, mainly because the locals don't know any. Being from the Northeast it took me a while to get used to the fact that there are tons of non-white people here, but hardly any Jews, and not that many Catholics either.

I don't know man I'm from Northern New Jersey and there are tons of Jewish folks and more importantly... I very large subset of fine ass Jewish girls. Not to mention the delis and bagel shops.

336 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:26:04pm

re: #333 Pawn of the Oppressor

From the Tea Party?

I get the sinking feeling it would sound an awful lot like "Send more cops".

337 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:26:27pm

re: #331 bosforus

All Smells Like Teen Spirit covers get +1 from me. Here's my favorite:

338 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:28:31pm

re: #330 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's good to hear.

Here in DFW all the gay people I've seen work at Whole Foods. ;) It's not often that I see (obviously) Jewish folk, either. We've got everything else but I get the sense there's a lot of prejudice against gay people and Jews around here, mainly because the locals don't know any. Being from the Northeast it took me a while to get used to the fact that there are tons of non-white people here, but hardly any Jews, and not that many Catholics either.

Ah, Dallas. A truly odd town. Everything you say is true, it's an odd dynamic. Come visit Austin. Really. Here's a cheap place to stay:

[Link: austinmotel.com...]

It's in my 'hood in 78704. A great place to decompress from the hell that is Dallas.

339 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:29:44pm

re: #28 Charles

I'm flabbergasted tonight to discover that the LGF web server has been running PHP 5, when I thought we were still using version 4. Apparently the new server was set up that way about a year ago, even though I thought we were staying at version 4.

I'm like a kid in a candy shop. PHP 5! New functions! Native JSON support! Simple XML! Cleaner object oriented code. Ahem. OK, I'll calm down.

Stainless steel flounce-a-pult!

340 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:30:26pm

re: #309 Bobibutu

I had a contract with Pertamina. The country had never been surveyed. They sent me with a "portable" computer, a satellite receiver and a generator (the USNavy GPS satellite system had recently been partially declassified - Pueblo Incident w/NKorea) to set benchmarks for oil exploration and position offshore oil rigs. I lived on Bali at Kuta Beach (before it became popular) between trips. The Indonesian military provided most of my transportation and support.

I would love to go back to many of the places they sent me but it would be a logistical nightmare in cost and many of them inaccessible with just a tourist visa.

I understand your focus on Indonesia. I spent 12 years in SEAsia. There are great places in other countries however Indonesia is my favorite as well.

WOW...just amazing! Such a journey could not replicated today as so many things have changed (for one, Pertamina had to raise gas prices 300% in the last 5 years, so local travel isn't quite the bargain it used to be); yet many of the wonderful places you saw are undoubtedly still around (albeit in a semi-westernized state). The Indonesian military is now a reduced presence in the country, as the rise of democracy during the past 10 years has (hopefully) put them permanently in their barracks. As for focusing on Indonesia, even though the place (and a few of its people) have given me a bit of anguish over the years, I happily consider it my second-favorite country in the world!

341 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:30:50pm

American Muslims Praising Murder - "Fort Hood: The Message of the Attack"

342 Locker  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:31:22pm

re: #335 Locker

Yea so I misread what you said.. which is that you are used to Jewish folks aren't as many in Dallas. Sorry man 18 holes of golf today made me loopy.

343 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:31:34pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

"... with a song about women's deodorant."

Heh, I nearly forgot about that aspect.

344 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:33:53pm

re: #342 Locker

If only I had the excuse of 18 holes of golf.

345 freetoken  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:35:39pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

Does LiveLeak let these videos be, or do they pull them?

346 cliffster  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:35:40pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Yup. An indictment of the west that stands and watches the starvation of children and the recruitment of children as child soldiers. That's pretty serious.

What was your question?

Oh give me a fucking break.

347 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:35:45pm

re: #342 Locker

BTW, I agree with you about Jewish girls from NY/NJ. I'm a better man because of one in particular. I will always miss her.

348 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:36:06pm

Well, it's official. The Astro Zombies completely sucks. If you're a MSTie, it might interest you to know that the mousey fellow in Girl in the Gold Boots is also in this movie. Took me half the movie to remember his face.

349 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:37:25pm

re: #345 freetoken

Does LiveLeak let these videos be, or do they pull them?

Liveleak is pretty chill. They let them sit.

350 austin_blue[deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:37:33pm
351 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:38:03pm

re: #348 bosforus

Wow. And I was about to buy the DVD! (sorry, couldn't resist!)
/

352 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:38:03pm

re: #346 cliffster

Oh give me a fucking break.

I'm sure you have a point?

353 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:38:43pm

re: #322 tradewind

What are the chances that we'll find out why the Army left this Hasan shooter in place to practice medicine after he gave them every reason to not only remove him but boot him out of the armed services altogether?
This is what is bothering me more than anything (except the sadness for the loss of life) about the Ft Hood tragedy. Who left him in place?


He apparently was a problem that no one would take ownership of.

354 bosforus  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:39:15pm

re: #351 Irenicum

Wow. And I was about to buy the DVD! (sorry, couldn't resist!)
/

That review was free. Next time I'm charging.

355 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:39:50pm

re: #350 austin_blue

I was thinking the same thing. I have difficulty remaining polite in such situations.

356 Sharmuta[deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:40:01pm
357 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:40:13pm

re: #345 freetoken

Does LiveLeak let these videos be, or do they pull them?

LiveLeak used to be Ogrish, which hosted much worse stuff than this. The place still draws some rough clientele.

358 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:40:26pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

American Muslims Praising Murder - "Fort Hood: The Message of the Attack"

Do you know where this video was shot?

359 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:40:34pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

Lots of people taking their fliers.

360 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:40:47pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

These are the creeps that were on Anderson Cooper tonight.

361 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:41:05pm

re: #350 austin_blue

Stand right in his face, eyeballing, until he put hands on me.

362 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:41:18pm

re: #358 jaunte

Probably NY. His accent is Brooklyn.

363 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:41:30pm

But what would I know? I'm part of the problem.

364 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:42:15pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Hard to tell if he was talking to an audience up against the building, or just to the people walking down the sidewalk.

365 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:42:41pm

re: #358 jaunte

Do you know where this video was shot?

Probably 96th St., New York City.

366 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:44:09pm

96th Street Mosque
[Link: stonewalk.org...]

367 cliffster[deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:44:52pm
368 cliffster  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:45:21pm

re: #352 austin_blue

I'm sure you have a point?

I'm actually just hoping you didn't.

369 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:46:25pm

re: #365 The Sanity Inspector

Probably 96th St., New York City.

If that's so, it looks like the message remains the same.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

370 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:46:33pm

re: #353 The Sanity Inspector

He apparently was a problem that no one would take ownership of.

Even offered to pay back the money they had invested in him to get out of the Army. There will be a lot of soul searching on this one. All the warnings were there.

By the way, flags are at half staff, the mood here in CenTex is definitely subdued, the wounded are scattered all over our trauma centers, and I left work a half hour early yesterday to give blood.

The least I could do.

371 The Sanity Inspector[deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:46:51pm
372 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:48:41pm

re: #370 austin_blue

Even offered to pay back the money they had invested in him to get out of the Army. There will be a lot of soul searching on this one. All the warnings were there.

By the way, flags are at half staff, the mood here in CenTex is definitely subdued, the wounded are scattered all over our trauma centers, and I left work a half hour early yesterday to give blood.

The least I could do.

Kudos to you for that. Good folks, you Texas types are.

373 Fenway_Nation[deleted]  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:49:48pm
374 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:50:24pm

re: #371 The Sanity Inspector

That is America, with Americans expressing their constitutional rights to freedom of speech. As stupid and infuriating as some of that speech may be.

375 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:51:39pm

re: #371 The Sanity Inspector

Nope. That isn't America, it's New York. A year after 9/11, they were hosting massive anti-war rallies, and wishing for "a million Mogadishus" to befall our troops.

Obviously, you don't know New York at all; blowing some sh*t someone said all out of proportion doesn't make us not part of America!

376 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:53:23pm

re: #375 Surabaya Stew

That 'somebody' calling for 'A Million Mogadishus' was a Columbia professor...exactly what context should that be taken in?

377 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:53:26pm

re: #374 Slumbering Behemoth

That is America, with Americans expressing their constitutional rights to freedom of speech. As stupid and infuriating as some of that speech may be.

I wasn't addressing the legitimacy of their speech. Obviously, it takes all kinds to make up a public. I meant that a beat-down of these creeps would not go unpunished, as many suppose it might elsewhere in our fair land.

378 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:54:01pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

As much as I would want to sucker punch this stupid asshole. And I mean I would REALLY want to do that. I would rather just stand in his face, as others have said, and just say ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE. Over and over again. Free speech can be a bitch. I still wish I could sucker punch that dick.

379 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:54:57pm

re: #376 Fenway_Nation

That 'somebody' calling for 'A Million Mogadishus' was a Columbia professor...exactly what context should that be taken in?

So what? 1 person out of a city of 8 million saying something stupid makes the other 7,999,999 guilty by association?

380 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:55:33pm

re: #376 Fenway_Nation

I would put that in the category of 'things that very few New Yorkers have said.'

381 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:56:28pm

re: #335 Locker

I don't know man I'm from Northern New Jersey and there are tons of Jewish folks and more importantly... I very large subset of fine ass Jewish girls. Not to mention the delis and bagel shops.

New Jersey is not the Northeast. My Northeast, as I learned it in Massachusetts, goes from eastern Connecticut to Maine. Youse guys are in your own world out there. :)

382 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:56:28pm

re: #370 austin_blue

Good for you. Thanks for giving.

383 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:56:39pm

re: #274 Irenicum

I just watched the clip. As much as Tancredo is a nativist twit, Markos was being an asshole. He should apologize for that. It was shameful.

It cracked me up. Tancredo had the audacity to talk about how vets feel about the VA when Markos is a vet and Tancredo got out on a lame deferment while strongly supporting the war.

384 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:57:12pm

re: #377 The Sanity Inspector

I get you. My point was that New York City is just as much "America" as any other city in the nation.

385 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:58:10pm

re: #379 Surabaya Stew

The point I was trying to make was that this was a 'pillar of the community' type versus some unkempt street preacher with an 'THE END IS NEAR sandwichboard randomly spouting off incoherent gibberish.

386 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:58:53pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

I was thinking the same thing. I have difficulty remaining polite in such situations.

How could you? Blaming the victims for the actions of a human who had lost his sanity?

(((Everything that follows is pure opinion and conjecture.)))

Make no mistake, this was not an act of terrorism. This was an act of a man who had toddled off the mental reservation. The *why* will be endlessly discussed, but this wasn't a Jihadist action, anymore than the shooter in Orlando today was a Jihadist.

Sometimes, people twist off. Did this guy twist off because he was a Muslim? I think maybe so. He was about to be deployed to (take your choice) and he just could not imagine ministering to shattered soldiers who had killed his fellow Muslims and were looking to him for help.

Again, pure opinion. But food for thought.

387 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:59:12pm

re: #383 Conservative Moonbat

Markos?

Screw Him.

388 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:59:20pm

re: #371 The Sanity Inspector

THe vast majority of the anti-war protesters came from outside New York, many of them from "red states" that wouldn't look kindly at such expressions of speech. As a native New Yorker, I am proud to live in a place that accepts dissent, no matter how disagreeable it might be...and the anti-war protesters certainly weren't the worst that I've seen!

389 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:00:16pm

re: #347 Irenicum

There are no girls like NYC Jewish girls. I'm still hung up on one. She was - and is - a revelation. One of these days I'm going to get back with her and make it right... We're trying to make it work but distance and money are our enemies right now.

390 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:01:11pm

re: #385 Fenway_Nation

The point I was trying to make was that this was a 'pillar of the community' type versus some unkempt street preacher with an 'THE END IS NEAR sandwichboard randomly spouting off incoherent gibberish.

"Pillar of the community"? In a small college town, perhaps. In the mega-city that is New York, this clown in question is nothing but a grain of sand on the beach at Coney Island!

391 tradewind  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:01:14pm

Sometimes it helps to have a visual aid when you're trying to make a point...
[Link: www.gop.gov...]

392 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:04:24pm

re: #368 cliffster

I'm actually just hoping you didn't.

Ah, you don't then. Honest question asked, not answered.

393 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:04:41pm

Hey Night Lizards!

It's been a disturbing few of days. Starting with the elections . . .

Here's to the FNDT!!!

and how are you-all?

394 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:04:43pm

re: #389 Pawn of the Oppressor

There are no girls like NYC Jewish girls. I'm still hung up on one. She was - and is - a revelation. One of these days I'm going to get back with her and make it right... We're trying to make it work but distance and money are our enemies right now.

Even though I haven't dated one since high school, will agree with you 100% about our Jewish gals...they're in a class of their own and quite capable of causing major hang-ups! Well, good luck with all that...
;-)

395 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:06:09pm

re: #393 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

It's been a disturbing few of days. Starting with the elections . . .

Here's to the FNDT!!!

and how are you-all?

I'll bite. FNDT?

396 freetoken  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:06:13pm

re: #393 ggt

It's been a disturbing few of days. Starting with the elections . . .

???

397 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:06:30pm

re: #389 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hope it works. And I hope she can change your world like mine did me. We all need more happiness.

398 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:07:17pm

re: #389 Pawn of the Oppressor

There are no girls like NYC Jewish girls. I'm still hung up on one. She was - and is - a revelation. One of these days I'm going to get back with her and make it right... We're trying to make it work but distance and money are our enemies right now.

What about those Midwest Girls?

399 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:07:36pm

re: #395 austin_blue

I'll bite. FNDT?

Fresh Neonates Die Trying.

400 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:07:54pm

re: #386 austin_blue

How could you? Blaming the victims for the actions of a human who had lost his sanity?

(((Everything that follows is pure opinion and conjecture.)))

Make no mistake, this was not an act of terrorism. This was an act of a man who had toddled off the mental reservation. The *why* will be endlessly discussed, but this wasn't a Jihadist action, anymore than the shooter in Orlando today was a Jihadist.

Sometimes, people twist off. Did this guy twist off because he was a Muslim? I think maybe so. He was about to be deployed to (take your choice) and he just could not imagine ministering to shattered soldiers who had killed his fellow Muslims and were looking to him for help.

Again, pure opinion. But food for thought.

Well, if it was terrorism, then it was the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. I've got no more problem calling it terrorism that I do a suicide nail-bomber blowing himself up in a Tel Aviv shopping center. He doesn't have to be Special Operative 007 of the DFW Al-Qaeda cell in order to be a terrorist.

401 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:08:50pm

re: #395 austin_blue

I'll bite. FNDT?

Friday Night Drinking Thread

402 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:08:52pm

re: #388 Surabaya Stew

THe vast majority of the anti-war protesters came from outside New York, many of them from "red states" that wouldn't look kindly at such expressions of speech. As a native New Yorker, I am proud to live in a place that accepts dissent, no matter how disagreeable it might be...and the anti-war protesters certainly weren't the worst that I've seen!

Well, so long as you're there, I'll think well of the place. How 'bout that?

403 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:08:56pm

re: #394 Surabaya Stew

Even though I haven't dated one since high school, will agree with you 100% about our Jewish gals...they're in a class of their own and quite capable of causing major hang-ups! Well, good luck with all that...
;-)

WARNING!!! INAPPROPRIATE JOKE FOLLOWS!!!

How do you keep a Jewish girl from having sex?

Marry her.

404 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:09:55pm

re: #401 ArchangelMichael

Friendly Neighbors Don't Tell.

/dude, you spoiled it

405 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:10:01pm

re: #395 austin_blue

I'll bite. FNDT?

How long have you been here?

Friday Night Drinking Thread.

406 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:10:23pm

re: #390 Surabaya Stew

Ah Coney Island! I learned how to drive there. I still miss the bumper cars!

407 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:10:39pm

re: #340 Surabaya Stew

When you get back take a drive up to Tretes. About an hour or so up in the mountains from Surabaya. Old Dutch resort.

The Dutch built it there for good reason.

One hotel is built over a stream - it runs thru the lobby. Fascinating place to kick back - explore, whatever. I would imagine they still rent horses - if you're into riding this is one of the best places on the planet to do it.

I've been putting off writing a book for over 30 years. This weekend seems a good time to begin. Thanks for the jump-start!

408 freetoken  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:11:05pm

re: #395 austin_blue

I'll bite. FNDT?

Frosty The Snowman's


Noel

Drinking
Thread

/47 shopping days...

409 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:11:22pm

re: #396 freetoken

???

The past few years --I've found elections disturbing, or rather the hoopla surrounding elections to be disturbing.

Maybe it's age . . .

410 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:11:24pm

re: #405 ggt

Arrgh! You two are spoiling my fun. :(

411 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:11:49pm

re: #393 ggt

Very glad it's a Friday night!

412 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:12:04pm

re: #386 austin_blue

Make no mistake, this was not an act of terrorism. This was an act of a man who had toddled off the mental reservation. The *why* will be endlessly discussed, but this wasn't a Jihadist action, anymore than the shooter in Orlando today was a Jihadist.


I think yeas and no; yes, he had 'toddled off' some time ago; no, because jihad ideology provided an internal framework in which he could view his suicidal actions as sane and correct.

413 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:12:06pm

re: #402 The Sanity Inspector

Well, so long as you're there, I'll think well of the place. How 'bout that?

I'll take that as a compliment...but what will you think of my city when I leave it to go on vacation to Indonesia?
:-D

414 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:12:47pm
415 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:12:58pm

re: #404 Slumbering Behemoth

Friendly Neighbors Don't Tell.

/dude, you spoiled it

Doh, I didnt know the first rule of Fight Club applied.

416 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:13:04pm

#410 Slumbering

I am sorry :"(

My reply/quote buttons only work if I refresh. Maybe it's age . . .

417 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:13:53pm

re: #403 austin_blue

WARNING!!! INAPPROPRIATE JOKE FOLLOWS!!!

How do you keep a Jewish girl from having sex?

Marry her.

Heh Heh Heh...reminds me of this one:


Scientists have discovered a food that will reduce a woman's sex drive by 90%.

It's called a wedding cake.

418 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:13:54pm

re: #393 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

It's been a disturbing few of days. Starting with the elections . . .

Here's to the FNDT!!!

and how are you-all?

Three guys take a jug of special home-brewed hooch behind the barn to play a drinking game. What is it. They pass the jug around a few times, and then one of them gets up and leaves. The other two try to guess which one it was that left.

419 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:14:26pm

re: #412 jaunte

I think yeas and no; yes, he had 'toddled off' some time ago; no, because jihad ideology provided an internal framework in which he could view his suicidal actions as sane and correct.

I thought all the terrorists had "toddled off" the mental reservation. ???

420 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:15:08pm

re: #400 The Sanity Inspector

Well, if it was terrorism, then it was the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. I've got no more problem calling it terrorism that I do a suicide nail-bomber blowing himself up in a Tel Aviv shopping center. He doesn't have to be Special Operative 007 of the DFW Al-Qaeda cell in order to be a terrorist.

I'll disagree. The actions of a crazed individual is not terrorism. That's lazy, and you know it.

George Hennard drove his truck into the front of a Luby's restaurant in Killeen (just outside of Fort Hood) in 1991 and shot 23 people to death. Was that terrorism or just nuts?

421 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:15:14pm

re: #400 The Sanity Inspector

[Link: warintel.blogspot.com...]

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 06, 2009
Malik Nadal Hasan is a terrorist.

Malik Nadal Hasan is a terrorist.
By Gerald Internet Anthropologist Think Tank.


Our paradigm intel strongly classifies him as a terrorist.
A question remains was he home grown or did he have a handler?

The has been a lot made about a posting he made comparing some one that throws himself on a grenade to a Suicide bomber.

His statement is factual and correct.
That is what THEY think.
What I've seen on the net he never
embraces suicide bombing.
The statement it's self is not
a threat of endorsement.

There is no indication of terrorist
intent, he generalizes the statement.
he doesn't say American, he says
the Islamic enemy, applicable to
any time frame in history.

Alot more can be gleaned from his
blog, we sure would like to analyze it.
It will tell if he had a handler or was
self ordained. Any one have the URL?

Fort Hood seems to functioned during
this crisis as a well oiled machine.

Fast heavy reaction team,
universal warning to all on the fort
to stay inside via PA system, and sirens
so the notice couldn't go unnoticed.

A good example for other cities to study.

The biggest fault may also indicate its
triaged focus.

These troops are battle field immunized.
In their expert experience those type wounds are fatal.

There isn't much doubt their focus was
very practical, and battle field oriented.
..
Move out the wounded, clear out the area
and bring over whelming force to the play.

After the job was done they discovered
the perp wasn't dead.

And they dispatched a CID agent with
the perp at all times.

OUTSTANDING JOB.


Back to Malik Nadal Hasan.
He targeted troops in the position,
location that represented those
troops going overseas on deployment.
This may speak to his terrorist motivations.
Shooting people he knew?
Patients?

He had just been ordered to Iraq.
Paradigm Intelligence indicates he was afraid of what other Muslims in Iraq would think of his work and position with the US Army. No indications he was afraid of death in Iraq.

He had two weapons and had to reload
several times. That indicates planning.

He was an American, lived in America
all his life.
He served eight years as an enlisted soldier.
He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg.
He received a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

Key will be tracking his radicalization,
and if one person was prominent in his
Bastardization of Islam.
That person is the Handler.
See if the handler has connections
to al Qaeda.

The videos of him earlier in the day
show him in traditional Muslim garb.
Functioning normally and making
transactions.

That tape tends to rule out a psychotic
break. A personality break maybe?

He spent 6 years helping those troops
with the heaviest psychological burdens
and listening to the worst of the worst
in heavy war disasters.

Before the new counseling program,
Fort Hood had 10 suicides, sounds heavy duty.

The paradigm intel suggests a split between his military side and the Bastardized Muslim side, the Muslim part that got twisted real bad.

Something that argues for a handler
is the method of attack.
The previous 5 attacks in America
all involved explosives.

This attack was with two side arms.
Expect more of same.

Was it a tactic transition to avoid
detection or something else.

There is no question about his intelligence
and the higher the intelligence the more
severe the reaction.

His blog, computer, phone records
purchase of weapons and defense
methods will explain most of our
questions

Gerald
Anthropologist

Some chatter about Gov removing his Face book page.

422 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:15:15pm

The best part of the Stewart blackboard is the Feynman Diagram of quarks and electrons exchanging virtual Z bosons. It's right under the acorn picture. Is he implying that Acorn is a weak force?

/geek moment

423 jaunte  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:15:22pm

re: #419 ggt

Yes, I don't think he was a unique case.

424 jonik  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:15:49pm

re: #409 ggt

i hate the fact that politicians never stop compaigning and raising money. They never seem to have enough time to legislate

425 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:15:58pm

re: #401 ArchangelMichael

Friday Night Drinking Thread

Thankee!

426 jonik  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:17:12pm

re: #421 Bobibutu

let's just hang him and be done with it

427 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:17:43pm

re: #418 The Sanity Inspector

Three guys take a jug of special home-brewed hooch behind the barn to play a drinking game. What is it. They pass the jug around a few times, and then one of them gets up and leaves. The other two try to guess which one it was that left.

I got it!

The three guys were Congress Critters.

What do I win?

428 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:18:27pm

re: #406 Irenicum

Ah Coney Island! I learned how to drive there. I still miss the bumper cars!

An interesting place for that learning experience, as many of the local properties are still vacant lots or housing projects. Hey, remember this place? And did you ever get a chance to watch this?

429 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:19:14pm

re: #414 Slumbering Behemoth

OK, that's officially and inappropriately hysterical!

430 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:19:32pm

re: #413 Surabaya Stew

I'll take that as a compliment...but what will you think of my city when I leave it to go on vacation to Indonesia?
:-D

Then I'll regret NYC's loss, and be indifferent to Indonesia somewhat less.

When are you going? We may be in the same timezone at the same time. I'll be in Korea over Thanksgiving.

431 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:19:59pm

If the purpose of Terrorism is to produce Chaos--and the purpose of Chaos is to produce a power vacuum . . .

Then, yes, I think this guy meets the requirements of a terrorist, as his actions are contributing to the production of Chaos.

432 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:20:18pm

re: #425 austin_blue

Don't listen to him, man. He's leading you astray. FNDT really means...

Frayed Napsacks Drop Things.

433 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:21:13pm

re: #424 jonik

i hate the fact that politicians never stop compaigning and raising money. They never seem to have enough time to legislate

I wish that were true for the likes of 0bama, Pelosi, Boxer, Kerry, Reid...et, al. If they didn't have time to legislate, the rest of us wouldn't have to worry about things like Card Check, Cap & Trade or 0bamacare.

434 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:22:25pm

re: #429 Irenicum

Perhaps you would also like:

5 Popular Zombie Survival Tactics (That Will Get You Killed)

435 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:23:21pm

re: #426 jonik

let's just hang him and be done with it

Right after we get the rest of the story from him.

I hope he survives and comes out of coma.

436 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:23:38pm

re: #417 Surabaya Stew

Heh Heh Heh...reminds me of this one:

Scientists have discovered a food that will reduce a woman's sex drive by 90%.

It's called a wedding cake.

No matter how much a woman loves her husband, she can't help but occasionally hope that her daughter will land a better one.

No joke.

437 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:25:29pm

re: #430 The Sanity Inspector

Then I'll regret NYC's loss, and be indifferent to Indonesia somewhat less.

When are you going? We may be in the same timezone at the same time. I'll be in Korea over Thanksgiving.

NYC won't miss me that much, LOL. Worldwide indifference to Indonesia is nothing new, so thats just fine with me (gives me more of the place to myself!) Thanksgiving is when I usually travel over there; sadly this year, my finances do not permit such an excursion, so you'll have to remember to share your Korea stories when you return.
:-)

438 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:25:50pm

I, somehow, "earned" $10 in Borders Bucks.

What should Im spend it on?

439 ausador  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:25:51pm

Almost everyone has forgotten about Michelle Bachman's little anti-healthcare Tea Party at the Capitol because of the other events that day. It did finally manage to get a few mentions in the press, mainly by those surprised that the GOP leadership had joined in.

When John Boehner, the Republican leader of the House, appeared at the Tea Party rally at the Capitol on Thursday afternoon, it was a dramatic signal: The wing-nuts have taken over the GOP.

Think I'm being harsh? The angry folks at the protest -- which attracted several thousand conservatives -- held up signs with messages of hate: "Get the Red Out of the White House," "Waterboard Congress," "Ken-ya Trust Obama?" One called the president a "Traitor to the U.S. Constitution." Another sign showed pictures of dead bodies at the Dachau concentration camp and compared health care reform to the Holocaust. A different placard depicted Obama as Sambo. Yes, Sambo. Another read, "Obama takes his orders from the Rothchilds" -- a reference to the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory holding that one evil Jewish family has manipulated events around the globe for decades.

(snip)

A recent poll found that only 25 percent of Americans have a positive opinion of the Republican Party (compared to 42 percent for the Democrats). Hanging out with "Nazi"-shouters who wave racist and hateful signs is not likely to boost the popular appeal of congressional Republicans. Boehner and company are not merely playing to the base; they're saddling up with the worst elements of the right. It won't be a pretty ride.

In the middle of the column he talks about Virginia and NewJersey and what was done right in the wins there. Not a bad assesment really.

440 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:26:34pm

re: #436 The Sanity Inspector

No matter how much a woman loves her husband, she can't help but occasionally hope that her daughter will land a better one.

No joke.

Now that's the truth!

441 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:26:37pm

re: #426 jonik

Part of what it means to be American is to presume innocence until proven guilty. What you are advocating is exactly anti-American. Prove him him guilty. Then execute his ass.

442 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:28:29pm

re: #421 Bobibutu

[Link: warintel.blogspot.com...]

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 06, 2009
Malik Nadal Hasan is a terrorist.

Malik Nadal Hasan is a terrorist.
By Gerald Internet Anthropologist Think Tank.

Some chatter about Gov removing his Face book page.

Oh, My Gaw! I am suddenly feeling very nervous about the Pakistanis who run the convenience store down the block!

They're Muslims! Despite the fact that they have been there since before I moved into this 'hood in 1997, they may have it out for me! Perhaps my my best option is to kill them before they kill me!

///

I just can't put enough of those tags on this board.

I mean, really, how fucking stupid is that shit?

And how fucking stupid is it to posit that the shooter at Fort Hood was acting for a larger group without a single shred of evidence? Sometimes, you just have to suck it up and accept the fact that he was just ca-ca-crazy!

443 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:28:39pm

I hit the "new comments" button and I'm taken back to the front page.

I can only use reply/quote buttons if I "refresh"

And some other wierd things.

Is is my computer or LGF?

444 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:29:54pm

Now every button I hit is taking me back to the front page.

Will someone be kind enough to report this to Charles for me?

445 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:30:07pm

re: #442 austin_blue

Oh, My Gaw! I am suddenly feeling very nervous about the Pakistanis who run the convenience store down the block!

They're Muslims! Despite the fact that they have been there since before I moved into this 'hood in 1997, they may have it out for me! Perhaps my my best option is to kill them before they kill me!

///

I just can't put enough of those tags on this board.

I mean, really, how fucking stupid is that shit?

And how fucking stupid is it to posit that the shooter at Fort Hood was acting for a larger group without a single shred of evidence? Sometimes, you just have to suck it up and accept the fact that he was just ca-ca-crazy!

I agree. He was a ca-ca-crazy Muslim.

446 little boomer  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:30:41pm

re: #441 Irenicum

Part of what it means to be American is to presume innocence until proven guilty. What you are advocating is exactly anti-American. Prove him him guilty. Then execute his ass.

Quite so, give him a fair trial, then execute him, if necessary, we can wait.

447 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:30:46pm

re: #438 ggt

Hookers? No, wait... yeah, hookers.

/don't expect quality for that price, though

448 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:30:46pm

re: #432 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't listen to him, man. He's leading you astray. FNDT really means...

Frayed Napsacks Drop Things.

Well, yes, they do...

Oh dear...

Very confused.

Damn this Single Malt...

449 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:31:08pm

Finally Nude; Don't Touch

450 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:31:17pm

re: #428 Surabaya Stew

I never got to see a Coney Island hot dog eating contest. Though I have watched it on TV. The Cyclone. Oh...My...Goodness! That scared the shit out of me when my dad and I would take the train there. I rode it once. Never again. Nonetheless, I will always treasure Coney Island.

451 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:31:37pm

OK, I'm going to restart my computer and switch the laundry over.

If I don't come back, you know what happened.

Just in Case--weet dreams all!

452 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:32:57pm

When the Israelis attempted to do joint patrols with their peace partners there were problems because some times the PA policeman would start to shoot at his "comrades".

Other attacks are opportunity based, such as hikers caught in rural locations.

Are these not terrorism and jihad?

IIRC there have been similar problems in Iraq and Afghanistan, are these all just mentally ill people?

453 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:33:49pm

re: #430 The Sanity Inspector

I'll be in Korea over Thanksgiving.

Seoul or elsewhere?

I know a great little watering hole and B&B ;-) in Daegu if it's still there.

454 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:33:59pm

re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks for the "heads" up!

455 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:34:22pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

I agree. He was a ca-ca-crazy Muslim.

Yup. This whole Jihadi thing is nuts.

Y'all digging out of the snow?

456 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:34:24pm

re: #449 Racer X

If any of you ladies don't like Racer X's offering, may I submit:

Finally Nude; Definitely Touch

457 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:35:49pm

re: #452 Bagua

A thought just occured to me now. A good portion of last month's attacks by the Taliban in Pakistan targeted military and police instillations. How much (if any) inspiration do you think Hasan drew from that?

458 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:35:59pm

re: #442 austin_blue

I think you missed the point.

The question begs - how did he get radicalized and did he have a handler.

459 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:36:36pm

re: #407 Bobibutu

When you get back take a drive up to Tretes. About an hour or so up in the mountains from Surabaya. Old Dutch resort.

The Dutch built it there for good reason.

One hotel is built over a stream - it runs thru the lobby. Fascinating place to kick back - explore, whatever. I would imagine they still rent horses - if you're into riding this is one of the best places on the planet to do it.

I've been putting off writing a book for over 30 years. This weekend seems a good time to begin. Thanks for the jump-start!

Tretes sounds really nice, kind of like how Bogor is to Jakarta. Hadn't heard of it before, but will be sure to add it to my itinerary next year, sans the horses as I get nightmares of ending up like Christopher Reeve due to my excess height and partiality to clumsiness. (Actually, google shows that it had gained notoriety as a red-light district...interesting...)

No doubt a book (with lots of photos, hopefully) would be a great way to tell the best of your Indonesia stories! Its never too late to get started on a good thing, and if I can be of assistance in any way, would be glad to lend a hand.
:-)

460 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:36:42pm

re: #420 austin_blue

I'll disagree. The actions of a crazed individual is not terrorism. That's lazy, and you know it.

George Hennard drove his truck into the front of a Luby's restaurant in Killeen (just outside of Fort Hood) in 1991 and shot 23 people to death. Was that terrorism or just nuts?

I guess we're just perceiving this incident differently, then. I've heard so many excuses rationales for terrorism over the years. Poverty. Ignorance. Anger at injustice, or our foreign policy. Mental instability. Anything to avoid facing the implications of the possibility that we are in a war with a dispersed, aggressive, resurgent Jihad.

461 little boomer  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:36:59pm

Ca-ca-razy muslim and sudden jihadi syndrome are not mutually exclusive.

462 checked08  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:37:38pm

Creepy

463 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:38:19pm

re: #460 The Sanity Inspector


Oh- now you're just jumping to conclusions...

//

464 sngnsgt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:39:37pm

Oh great, on top of having Epilepsy, I found out today I have high blood pressure. I'll probably wind up on meds for that too! I was recently put on disability and can't work or drive. Gee, what's next? Life has been getting really fun lately. I'll bet the high blood pressure is because of the meds I take for my Epilepsy.

465 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:39:50pm

re: #449 Racer X

Inappropriate chuckle has been induced!

466 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:39:51pm

re: #456 Slumbering Behemoth

If any of you ladies don't like Racer X's offering, may I submit:

Finally Nude; Definitely Touch

Rosie O'Donnel says she's intruiged and will be right over.

467 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:41:23pm

re: #458 Bobibutu

I think you missed the point.

The question begs - how did he get radicalized and did he have a handler.

You watch Beck a lot, don't you?

The easy answer can never be correct, can it? It is always some kind of shadowy conspiracy. You know, sometimes the obvious probable cause is correct. This guy showed all the signs, from long ago, that he had significant problems.

468 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:42:23pm

re: #450 Irenicum

I never got to see a Coney Island hot dog eating contest. Though I have watched it on TV. The Cyclone. Oh...My...Goodness! That scared the shit out of me when my dad and I would take the train there. I rode it once. Never again. Nonetheless, I will always treasure Coney Island.

Actually, the hot dog eating contest requires far more waiting than action; its the kind of thing (like spending New Year's Eve in Times Square) that you do only once for the experience. I've ridden several other wooden coasters, and none of them compare to the Cyclone, particularly that 2nd drop so soon after the 1st! The next 10 years promises lots of new development at the old joint, so you may want to come over and see it before it changes for good...

469 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:42:29pm

Feeling Naughty - Disturbing Trend

470 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:42:41pm

re: #421 Bobibutu

Wow. That makes Debka sound lucid.

471 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:42:58pm

re: #457 Fenway_Nation

With the few facts we have in this case, we could draw any number of conclusions.

The incident is ugly enough itself. I don't want to add to the ugliness with any of my unfounded speculation.

472 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:43:55pm

re: #464 sngnsgt

Oh great, on top of having Epilepsy, I found out today I have high blood pressure. I'll probably wind up on meds for that too! I was recently put on disability and can't work or drive. Gee, what's next? Life has been getting really fun lately. I'll bet the high blood pressure is because of the meds I take for my Epilepsy.

{{{sngnsgt}}}

473 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:43:57pm

re: #453 Bobibutu

Seoul or elsewhere?

I know a great little watering hole and B&B ;-) in Daegu if it's still there.

Visiting in-laws in the southwest, Jeollanam-do province.

474 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:44:17pm

re: #466 Fenway_Nation

Yarr! A true challenge it be, then! My mast is at the ready.

475 little boomer  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:44:37pm

re: #464 sngnsgt

Oh great, on top of having Epilepsy, I found out today I have high blood pressure. I'll probably wind up on meds for that too! I was recently put on disability and can't work or drive. Gee, what's next? Life has been getting really fun lately. I'll bet the high blood pressure is because of the meds I take for my Epilepsy.

Sorry to hear that, my bro has seizures.

476 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:45:11pm

re: #469 Racer X

Feeling Naughty - Disturbing Trend

Fox News -- ...darnit, can't think of a good punchline.

477 freetoken  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:46:50pm

re: #476 The Sanity Inspector

Fox News -- ...darnit, can't think of a good punchline.

Fox News Derangement Thread?

478 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:47:10pm

re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth

There aren't enough hops in the world to power the beer-enhanced opticsts and get anybody's mast ready for that particularly weighty cargo.

479 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:47:55pm

Fuzzy Navel- Double Time.

480 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:48:14pm

All is not well, Restart didn't help.

If I hit any button, the writing in the tab of the page I have open goes from "Little Green Footballs --name of thread" to "Little Green Footballs###"

WTF?

I bet it's the Scrabble game I downloaded. This happened before with a Scrabble game --a couple of years ago, so I took it off. I was hoping the latest version had the bubs worked out.

guess not.

hmmm--Now I have to choose --

Scrabble or LGF.

I haven't even decided how to spend my hard "earned" $10 in Borders Bucks yet.

Friday Nights never used to be so hard.

Well, weet dreams all and a pleasant tomorrow.

481 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:48:53pm

re: #459 Surabaya Stew

Yes - the red light gig was operational back in the 60s and 70s - but very, very low key. I have no idea how it is now.

Alas - Kodachrome and Ektachrome had problems that Kodak was unaware of back then. Of the thousands and thousands of photographs I took only about 200 remain. I had them digitized by a great little co in San Francisco - Digital Pickle. Angkor Wat, Babo Airfield in Irian Jaya (Japanese WWII) and my flights out to Yankee Station during Vietnam are all that survived.

Thanks for the offer - I may take you up on it.

482 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:49:00pm

Furries Need Downy Threads

483 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:50:07pm

re: #460 The Sanity Inspector

I guess we're just perceiving this incident differently, then. I've heard so many excuses rationales for terrorism over the years. Poverty. Ignorance. Anger at injustice, or our foreign policy. Mental instability. Anything to avoid facing the implications of the possibility that we are in a war with a dispersed, aggressive, resurgent Jihad.

Concur. This guy had serious issues and its possible he might have snapped anyway, but Radical Islam was, by all indications, a major factor in how and when he snapped. It also probably increased the chances for a breakdown by pumping murderous propaganda into his head. Even if Al Qaeda had never heard of this scumbag, their ideology inspired him to commit mass murder.

484 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:50:16pm

re: #468 Surabaya Stew

Thanks! I may have to take one last ride. It would definitely be a trip down memory lane.

485 ggt  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:51:09pm

Wait a minute --when did the "Log Out" button appear?

Maybe it has something to do wiht that?

Someone, please hit the "!" report button for me on my "problem" posts --maybe Charles should be aware.

Night again.

486 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:51:16pm

Fenway Nation Detests Trolls.

487 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:52:18pm

re: #486 Fenway_Nation

Super up-ding!

488 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:52:42pm

re: #420 austin_blue

I'll disagree. The actions of a crazed individual is not terrorism. That's lazy, and you know it.

George Hennard drove his truck into the front of a Luby's restaurant in Killeen (just outside of Fort Hood) in 1991 and shot 23 people to death. Was that terrorism or just nuts?

Obviously it is a form of terrorism when someone drives their truck through a restaurant window and proceeds to kill 23 random people.

Islamic terrorism is its own sub-category, sometimes organized and sometimes freelance. Sometimes political, religious, national, or just for "man-hood".

Should a skinhead be out with his mates and randomly come across a gay black man and kick him to death, is that not a hate crime? Or were they just nuts.?

When an Israeli drives into the wrong area and gets lynched that is terrorism also, not the work of the metaly ill.

489 freetoken  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:53:20pm

re: #486 Fenway_Nation

Fenway Nation Digs Trains

?

490 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:53:21pm

re: #481 Bobibutu

Yes - the red light gig was operational back in the 60s and 70s - but very, very low key. I have no idea how it is now.

Alas - Kodachrome and Ektachrome had problems that Kodak was unaware of back then. Of the thousands and thousands of photographs I took only about 200 remain. I had them digitized by a great little co in San Francisco - Digital Pickle. Angkor Wat, Babo Airfield in Irian Jaya (Japanese WWII) and my flights out to Yankee Station during Vietnam are all that survived.

Thanks for the offer - I may take you up on it.

Post them up on Flickr! And this is why I try to take b/w pictures from time to time: less fear of them vanishing altogether with age.

491 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:53:34pm

re: #464 sngnsgt

Oh great, on top of having Epilepsy, I found out today I have high blood pressure. I'll probably wind up on meds for that too! I was recently put on disability and can't work or drive. Gee, what's next? Life has been getting really fun lately. I'll bet the high blood pressure is because of the meds I take for my Epilepsy.

My doc put me on Omega 3 (prescription grade) and Niacin. I complained bitterly about the statins etc.

My last blood test was phenomenal. Ask your doc about it for you.

492 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:54:37pm
493 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:54:59pm

re: #480 ggt

You might have the "scrabble virus". What was the name of the game you downloaded?

494 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:55:15pm

re: #470 The Sanity Inspector

Wow. That makes Debka sound lucid.

Gerald is a piece of work - he does come up with good questions tho.

495 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:55:31pm

Bedtime for me. Best to all lizardoids & happy weekend.

496 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:56:14pm

Fenway Nails Delectible Temptress

497 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:56:22pm

re: #484 Irenicum

Thanks! I may have to take one last ride. It would definitely be a trip down memory lane.

Thats a great idea! Not that the Cyclone is going away (as it is an official NYC landmark), but changes to the old-time Coney Island atmosphere finally seem inevitable with the recent change in the neighborhood's zoning. That, and the rest of the city is still a great place to visit (if ever more impossible to afford.) Do you live close by, or would it be a major excursion to drop in?

498 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:56:27pm

Hairs-a-splittin'.

The fucker's in a coma, and there's a lot of hearsay. It will all come out in the wash.

499 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:57:03pm

re: #496 Fenway_Nation

Liar.

/hater off

500 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:57:34pm

re: #490 The Sanity Inspector

Post them up on Flickr! And this is why I try to take b/w pictures from time to time: less fear of them vanishing altogether with age.

A capital suggestion (and wise advise); would love to see them!

501 freetoken  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:57:38pm

Fenway Naughtily Delights Trollops?

502 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:58:00pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I think you're right. He was clearly unstable. But he seems to have been just as much influenced by radical jihadist ideas that pushed him even further towards extremism. Extremist ideology, whether religious or secular, is always appealing to unstable minds.

503 ausador  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 10:59:59pm

Wow, if you want to see how bad unemployment is getting compared to other recessions take a look at this graph.

Source article.

504 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:00:51pm

re: #499 Slumbering Behemoth

/Fenway Needs Discreet Treatments.

505 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:01:42pm

re: #504 Fenway_Nation

/Fenway Needs Discreet Treatments.

Treatments by the ladies? Those tend be costly. [snicker]

506 WindUpBird  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:02:29pm

I am drinking Aventinus, but I'm off guys :D

507 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:02:33pm

Test your reaction time

0.2402 Seconds

508 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:02:39pm

re: #490 The Sanity Inspector

Post them up on Flickr! And this is why I try to take b/w pictures from time to time: less fear of them vanishing altogether with age.

Thanks - I'll check it out. So many toys on the net.

509 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:03:19pm

For None, Death Turns

510 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:04:46pm

re: #497 Surabaya Stew

I live just north of Boston. I was thinking of visiting NYC next weekend. NYC is a short trip for me.

511 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:04:56pm

Fear Nothing, Death Trumps

512 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:04:59pm

re: #500 Surabaya Stew

A capital suggestion (and wise advise); would love to see them!

OK - I'll see if I can figure it out. ;-)

513 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:05:03pm

re: #505 Dark_Falcon

/I'm really client-9

514 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:06:39pm

re: #481 Bobibutu

Yes - the red light gig was operational back in the 60s and 70s - but very, very low key. I have no idea how it is now.

Sounds like its worth investigating, no? ;-)

Alas - Kodachrome and Ektachrome had problems that Kodak was unaware of back then. Of the thousands and thousands of photographs I took only about 200 remain. I had them digitized by a great little co in San Francisco - Digital Pickle. Angkor Wat, Babo Airfield in Irian Jaya (Japanese WWII) and my flights out to Yankee Station during Vietnam are all that survived.

That's a real shame...my jaw dropped when I read that...feel sad just thinking about the loss of memories and period documentation...

Thanks for the offer - I may take you up on it.

You're quite welcome, and would like to hear more about your experiences. May I assume that the Lizard grapevine/magic portal would take care of things like contact info and such? As a young Lizard, am not sure how that all works...

515 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:07:17pm

re: #458 Bobibutu

I think you missed the point.

The question begs - how did he get radicalized and did he have a handler.

Let me put it more plainly:

Sixty miles north of Fort Hood is an outlet mall in Hillsboro. If he was *handled*, why wouldn't he attack the general populace? If the point was a terror attack, what could be more viscous than an attack on grandma and grandpa looking for deals on winter coats? With no real security, he could have walked through that mall and killed several dozens.

No, he attacked the source of his pain. The fact was that he had a psychic break and he killed what was closest to his pain. Handlers? They would have done a much better job.

Here's a really sad fact. I apologize for mentioning it, but it's a hard fact. I'm a military guy, and I know it's true. The fact that this attack took place at Fort Hood will soften the affect on the population in general. If there had been an attack on a shopping mall, people's heads would be on fire. As long as it was restricted to a military base, the general population will be sheeple, in the long run. They're give a shit factor will last about five days.

Soldiers are expected to die. Yes it sucks. Big time.

516 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:08:10pm

re: #510 Irenicum

I live just north of Boston. I was thinking of visiting NYC next weekend. NYC is a short trip for me.

Not in Winthrop perchance?

517 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:08:26pm

Fair Notions Deemed Threatening

518 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:08:52pm

re: #507 Racer X

Test your reaction time

0.2402 Seconds

Ha!

O.2236 seconds - Bobbing bobcat

My mousefu is powerful!

519 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:09:28pm

re: #512 Bobibutu

OK - I'll see if I can figure it out. ;-)

If you do, I'll have to follow up with the Toraja burial caves... :-D

520 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:09:38pm

re: #511 Racer X

I would have said "Triumphs", but "Trumps" works just as well.

521 ausador  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:09:40pm

Fear Not Dead Terrorists?

522 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:10:15pm

re: #516 Surabaya Stew

Nope.

523 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:10:26pm

re: #488 Bagua

Obviously it is a form of terrorism when someone drives their truck through a restaurant window and proceeds to kill 23 random people.

Islamic terrorism is its own sub-category, sometimes organized and sometimes freelance. Sometimes political, religious, national, or just for "man-hood".

Should a skinhead be out with his mates and randomly come across a gay black man and kick him to death, is that not a hate crime? Or were they just nuts.?

When an Israeli drives into the wrong area and gets lynched that is terrorism also, not the work of the metaly ill.

A form of terrorism?

What form would that be?

How about just bull-goose crazy?

524 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:12:33pm

Jihad.

525 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:13:49pm

re: #522 Irenicum

Nope.

Ah, thats ok; was just wondering since I have family from that town. Remember, if you need any advice re: NYC I'd be happy to help.
:-)

526 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:14:19pm

re: #515 austin_blue

Let me put it more plainly:

Sixty miles north of Fort Hood is an outlet mall in Hillsboro. If he was *handled*, why wouldn't he attack the general populace? If the point was a terror attack, what could be more viscous than an attack on grandma and grandpa looking for deals on winter coats? With no real security, he could have walked through that mall and killed several dozens.

No, he attacked the source of his pain. The fact was that he had a psychic break and he killed what was closest to his pain. Handlers? They would have done a much better job.

Here's a really sad fact. I apologize for mentioning it, but it's a hard fact. I'm a military guy, and I know it's true. The fact that this attack took place at Fort Hood will soften the affect on the population in general. If there had been an attack on a shopping mall, people's heads would be on fire. As long as it was restricted to a military base, the general population will be sheeple, in the long run. They're give a shit factor will last about five days.

Soldiers are expected to die. Yes it sucks. Big time.

Ack !!!

Their vs. They're

PIMF

527 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:15:39pm

re: #524 Racer X

Jihad.

Easy for you to say.

528 JasonA  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:15:48pm

re: #515 austin_blue

Let me put it more plainly:

Sixty miles north of Fort Hood is an outlet mall in Hillsboro. If he was *handled*, why wouldn't he attack the general populace? If the point was a terror attack, what could be more viscous than an attack on grandma and grandpa looking for deals on winter coats? With no real security, he could have walked through that mall and killed several dozens.

No, he attacked the source of his pain. The fact was that he had a psychic break and he killed what was closest to his pain. Handlers? They would have done a much better job.

Here's a really sad fact. I apologize for mentioning it, but it's a hard fact. I'm a military guy, and I know it's true. The fact that this attack took place at Fort Hood will soften the affect on the population in general. If there had been an attack on a shopping mall, people's heads would be on fire. As long as it was restricted to a military base, the general population will be sheeple, in the long run. They're give a shit factor will last about five days.

Soldiers are expected to die. Yes it sucks. Big time.

I try not to use fiction to make a real-world point, but I'm reminded of the Joker telling Harvey Dent how it's "all part of the plan."

I completely agree with you. Imagine what the Christmas shopping season would look like if the populace was deathly afraid of going to the mall.

529 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:16:13pm

re: #515 austin_blue

He doesn't need a "handler" to be a terrorist. A psychic break does not explain his preparation and effective execution. He was well prepared, armed, trained and picked a location were he could commit an intentional massacre.

This inner child stuff doesn't apply to jihadis. They kill because that is what they do. His personal grievance was against the military killing his people.

530 Racer X  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:17:45pm

re: #527 austin_blue

Easy for you to say.

There is no other explanation given what we currently know. That may change as more facts come in. All signs point to Jihad. IMHO

/yes he is crazy. Jihad does that to you.

531 JasonA  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:18:00pm

re: #529 Bagua

He doesn't need a "handler" to be a terrorist. A psychic break does not explain his preparation and effective execution. He was well prepared, armed, trained and picked a location were he could commit an intentional massacre.

This inner child stuff doesn't apply to jihadis. They kill because that is what they do. His personal grievance was against the military killing his people.

Agreed. If some of us (myself included) can slap the terrorist label on Scott Roeder, then I see no reason this... Major (can't be stripped of his rank soon enough if you ask me) should get it, too.

532 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:19:40pm

The whole issue of how we define "terrorism" is huge. We can define it individually, and ignore the collective influence on each persons' psyche. or we can overstretch it so that the individuality involved is not taken seriously. We should take each seriously; while acknowledging that the issue is supremely complicated. "Terrorism" is never simple.

533 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:20:36pm

re: #515 austin_blue

I hear you. And soldiers are not expected to die. They are expected to make the bad guys die.

Your points are well taken tho.

534 JasonA  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:22:44pm

re: #531 JasonA

Agreed. If some of us (myself included) can slap the terrorist label on Scott Roeder, then I see no reason this... Major (can't be stripped of his rank soon enough if you ask me) should get it, too.

shouldn't get it, too.

PIMF

535 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:22:47pm

re: #529 Bagua

He doesn't need a "handler" to be a terrorist. A psychic break does not explain his preparation and effective execution. He was well prepared, armed, trained and picked a location were he could commit an intentional massacre.

This inner child stuff doesn't apply to jihadis. They kill because that is what they do. His personal grievance was against the military killing his people.

Glad you feel that way. My understanding from the literature I have read is that psychic breaks can in fact incorporate all of those things.

I assume you have specific training in this field?

536 shai_au  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:23:33pm

I always love it when Stewart almost cracks up during something like this. It's just a second or so that you can see him smiling, then he corrects himself and gets back to deadpan.

I don't know how anyone could say this stuff with a straight face, but Stewart mostly does. And so does Colbert, apart from the banana incident.

537 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:24:26pm

re: #525 Surabaya Stew

Sorry for the short reply. It's late, and I'm cautious. I live in a suburb of Boston. And right now that cool with me. Thanks for the links you've provided. And like you, I love NY. We're cool.

538 JasonA  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:25:36pm

re: #536 shai_au

I always love it when Stewart almost cracks up during something like this. It's just a second or so that you can see him smiling, then he corrects himself and gets back to deadpan.

I don't know how anyone could say this stuff with a straight face, but Stewart mostly does. And so does Colbert, apart from the banana incident.

They make me laugh my butt off every time they break. It doesn't happen often but when it does it's worth the wait :)

539 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:26:10pm

re: #536 shai_au

I always love it when Stewart almost cracks up during something like this. It's just a second or so that you can see him smiling, then he corrects himself and gets back to deadpan.

I don't know how anyone could say this stuff with a straight face, but Stewart mostly does. And so does Colbert, apart from the banana incident.

you mean this incident?
;-D

540 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:27:39pm

re: #530 Racer X

There is no other explanation given what we currently know. That may change as more facts come in. All signs point to Jihad. IMHO

/yes he is crazy. Jihad does that to you.

Nice to see that there are no other options for you! Your mind is made up! Your brain is locked and loaded!

Well done!

That is *so* smart.

541 shai_au  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:28:50pm

re: #539 Surabaya Stew

you mean this incident?
;-D

I sure do! It's a classic precisely because they crack up.

542 ausador  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:29:35pm

re: #529 Bagua

He doesn't need a "handler" to be a terrorist. A psychic break does not explain his preparation and effective execution. He was well prepared, armed, trained and picked a location were he could commit an intentional massacre.

This inner child stuff doesn't apply to jihadis. They kill because that is what they do. His personal grievance was against the military killing his people.

That about sums up my opinion, such as it is, based on everything we know to date, the mans religious zealotry overcame him. We have already heard a lot of information that supports this view from past and present associates and co-workers. It seems that this was building up over time, the man didn't just 'snap' one day and start shooting anyone present around him, nor was he legally insane (crazy). He planned for it, gave possessions away, said goodbye to friends, brought weapons and ammo onto the base, went to where there were a lot of targets, and then shot methodically and very competently everyone he could before he was disabled.

This was a lone religious zealot, one who decided that Islamic martyrdom was the correct course of action against the infidel westerners who were waging war against Islam. I'll be very surprised if anything else we learn changes that view at all.

543 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:30:32pm

re: #532 Irenicum

And btw, I say this as someone who has very close friends on base there. As soon as I heard about it, I wondered about their well being. Thank God they're well. I say what I say in light of the fact that we live in a deeply complicated world.

544 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:32:26pm

re: #535 austin_blue



Glad you feel that way. My understanding from the literature I have read is that psychic breaks can in fact incorporate all of those things.

I believe you misunderstand, a person having a psychotic episode may in-fact commit a crime, such as murder, rape or pedophilia. He is still a murderer, rapists and pedophile.

In this case, Major Malik Hasan chose to commit a terrorist act, his exact mental state is of secondary importance. He clearly knew what he was doing and did it will precision and preparation.

545 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:32:51pm

re: #541 shai_au

I sure do! It's a classic precisely because they crack up.

Just finished cracking up for the 100th time watching Stewart and Colbert crack up...this has to be one of the all time greats!

546 Bobibutu  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:34:46pm

re: #539 Surabaya Stew

Geeze - I had a Flicker account and had forgotten about it.

Here are a couple from Babo.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

547 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:35:46pm

Rhetorical question:

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a US citizen now in custody is discovered to have prepared some follow up terrorist attack. Some time-bomb he has left in an apartment building according to plans found in his house.

Would it be wrong to use enhanced interrogation to prevent further slaughter?

548 shai_au  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:39:54pm

re: #547 Bagua

Rhetorical question:

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a US citizen now in custody is discovered to have prepared some follow up terrorist attack. Some time-bomb he has left in an apartment building according to plans found in his house.

Would it be wrong to use enhanced interrogation to prevent further slaughter?

My knowledge of the movie "Face/Off" tells me that there will be no way to find out the code in time without someone going undercover. Deep undercover.

549 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:40:15pm

re: #544 Bagua

I believe you misunderstand, a person having a psychotic episode may in-fact commit a crime, such as murder, rape or pedophilia. He is still a murderer, rapists and pedophile.

In this case, Major Malik Hasan chose to commit a terrorist act, his exact mental state is of secondary importance. He clearly knew what he was doing and did it will precision and preparation.

He chose to *act*. Any adjective you choose to put upon it is personal, isn't it?

Take two steps back. Take a deep breath.

Okay?

Now, what was his motIvation?

He had a reason for walking into that space and opening fire.

What do you think that might have been?

550 JasonA  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:40:40pm

re: #548 shai_au

My knowledge of the movie "Face/Off" tells me that there will be no way to find out the code in time without someone going undercover. Deep undercover.

I was going to go with a Jack Bauer joke but it didn't gel in my mind quick enough. Ah well, might be time for bed.

551 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:42:13pm

G'nite all. Be real. Be cool. Be real cool.

552 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:42:20pm

re: #544 Bagua

I believe you misunderstand, a person having a psychotic episode may in-fact commit a crime, such as murder, rape or pedophilia. He is still a murderer, rapists and pedophile.

In this case, Major Malik Hasan chose to commit a terrorist act, his exact mental state is of secondary importance. He clearly knew what he was doing and did it will precision and preparation.

No, he chose to commit a violent act.

Terrorism cannot be connected with it.

553 JasonA  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:43:51pm

re: #552 austin_blue

No, he chose to commit a violent act.

Terrorism cannot be connected with it.

I usually agree with you, but I'm curious about why you're so hesitant to call this terrorism.

554 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:44:31pm

And I have *got* to get some sleep. Good night, dear friends, sleep tight and sweet dreams.

555 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:44:35pm

re: #552 austin_blue

No, he chose to commit a violent act.

Terrorism cannot be connected with it.

You rule out and individual act of Terrorism with certainty? That is ridiculous at this point.

556 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:48:30pm

re: #546 Bobibutu

Geeze - I had a Flicker account and had forgotten about it.

Here are a couple from Babo.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Hey, those are great! Were you one of the first to find the downed aircraft, or were those known about before hand?

PS-Baruch must have been one heck of a friend... :-)

557 Bagua  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:49:06pm

re: #549 austin_blue

He chose to *act*. Any adjective you choose to put upon it is personal, isn't it?

Take two steps back. Take a deep breath.

Okay?

Now, what was his motIvation?

He had a reason for walking into that space and opening fire.

What do you think that might have been?

I don't need to take a deep breath, I'm perfectly calm.

What was his motivation? I can suggest several that would be likely in a freelance jihadist.

It seems clear he wanting into that carefully chosen space with the intention of killing US soldiers, as many as possible.

558 ausador  Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:49:47pm

re: #552 austin_blue

A violent act intended to instill fear within a population or demographic IS terrorism.

How does what he did fail to qualify?

You can possibly say that it wasn't foriegn directed terrorism, but saying that this wasn't terrorism, period, shows a willful disregard of fact.

559 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 12:10:44am

re: #556 Surabaya Stew

Hey, those are great! Were you one of the first to find the downed aircraft, or were those known about before hand?

PS-Baruch must have been one heck of a friend... :-)

Japan controlled the area with this airfield during WII. In June of 43? The Allies had enough and began bombing around the clock for weeks on end. Thus the moonscape.

A few Aussie oil workers had been there before me. I spent a month in the area and would have my chopper pilot drop me off when I had the time.

All the aircraft were salvaged during the 80s .. I heard it's now a golf course.

The planes were not shot down - they were on the ground.
I put up a few more. Thot I had one of a Zero with folding wing tips from a carrier ... nuts can't find it.

Baruch was an amazing animal. 453 commercial airline flights - an ambassador for Service Dogs back in the 90s.

My nick is blue. You may get my email address there.

560 theheat  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 12:24:01am

re: #414 Slumbering Behemoth

Hands down, the best thing online today.

561 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 12:27:17am

re: #559 Bobibutu

Japan controlled the area with this airfield during WII. In June of 43? The Allies had enough and began bombing around the clock for weeks on end. Thus the moonscape.

A few Aussie oil workers had been there before me. I spent a month in the area and would have my chopper pilot drop me off when I had the time.

All the aircraft were salvaged during the 80s .. I heard it's now a golf course.

The planes were not shot down - they were on the ground.
I put up a few more. Thot I had one of a Zero with folding wing tips from a carrier ... nuts can't find it.

Baruch was an amazing animal. 453 commercial airline flights - an ambassador for Service Dogs back in the 90s.

My nick is blue. You may get my email address there.

Just amazing...sounds like much of your time there was a total blast! And kudos to Baruch too, I'm sure thats a story that my EST head will have to hear another day...have a great night! Will contact you tomorrow...

PS-thanks for inspiring me to get on flickr
:-)

562 littleugly  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 5:22:26am

re: #552 austin_blue

A violent act is slapping your brother, your friend, running into your neighbors' car on purpose.
This individual did not shoot someone in the foot, he did not go after a law enforcement officer, he killed a whole lot of people.
You really think it was not terrorism?

563 ulmsey123  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 5:39:31am

Regarding Jon Stewart and Beck...When logic fails and arguments are absent, its a good idea to make fun and call names. Try it. Its fun. Call the Tea Party protesters jerks and Nazis.
Makes ya feel all smart and all. Laugh. Like Jon Stewart.
Because no leader(s) has ever tried to misuse power.

564 dugmartsch  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 5:52:48am

re: #274 Irenicum

I just watched the clip. As much as Tancredo is a nativist twit, Markos was being an asshole. He should apologize for that. It was shameful.

Apologize for the fact that Tancredo is a hypocrite and a draft dodger, and also makes shit up (I talked to veterans groups and they all say...) when he doesn't have any supporting facts?

Maybe if he answers the question honestly and doesn't try to dissemble he doesn't get smacked down, and maybe he enrolls in the army and serves his country in a war he supported.

565 Ray in TX  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:25:00am

re: #564 dugmartsch

Apologize for the fact that Tancredo is a hypocrite and a draft dodger, and also makes shit up (I talked to veterans groups and they all say...) when he doesn't have any supporting facts?

Maybe if he answers the question honestly and doesn't try to dissemble he doesn't get smacked down, and maybe he enrolls in the army and serves his country in a war he supported.

I agree with this. For years, I have been disgusted with these politicians who jump on the military bandwagon for support when in reality they were the first ones to abandon the military when it was their time to serve.

The GOP has been pro-military for years but has been inexplicably infested with draft dodgers who think it's fine for everyone but themselves to serve.

Tancredo was like a cockroach last night that scurried off when someone shined a flashlight on him. I was too busy laughing at his exposed hypocrisy to really care much whether Markos bruised his pampered ego.

566 fire at night  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:29:38am

As much as Stewart normally annoys me, I have to admit that was pretty good.

567 TDG2112  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:54:19am

re: #182 Racer X

I SO saw that coming. I was busting up before you confirmed it, by which time I was doing my embarrassing snorting kind of laugh when I'm trying not to laugh but can't help it and that my wife thinks sounds like sobbing and came out to see what was wrong.

She doesn't get it. Funny, she's the one with the medical degree.

568 BigPapa  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:36:13am

re: #566 fire at night

As much as Stewart normally annoys me, I have to admit that was pretty good.

It was. He nailed it, very funny.

569 KernelPanic  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:59:15am

re: #563 ulmsey123

Regarding Jon Stewart and Beck...When logic fails and arguments are absent, its a good idea to make fun and call names. Try it. Its fun. Call the Tea Party protesters jerks and Nazis.
Makes ya feel all smart and all. Laugh. Like Jon Stewart.
Because no leader(s) has ever tried to misuse power.

You failed to make any sort of point with that word salad of a comment. Might make more sense if Beck actually used logic instead of shtick.

570 wozzablog  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:05:29pm

re: #558 ausador

A lone nut murdering 13 people and seriously wounding 30 is not terrorism.

If he had bombed a subway train or a building or attacked a civillian building leaving purposeful evidence that others may follow - those are when i believe it meets the test for terrorism.

There is not a fine line between "going postal" and terrorism.

If it's proven to be some plot to aid the establishment of the Caliphate or hasten the "great satans" pull out from Afghanistan - then call it terrorism. Until then it's someone who went over the edge with a loaded weapon.

Once you call this terrorism - you have to call every massacre of co-workers terrorsim. thats a bad road.


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