Elie Wiesel on Tea Partier Signs: ‘Indecent and Disgusting’

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Holocaust survivor and author Elie Wiesel condemned signs containing Holocaust imagery and antisemitic conspiracy theories, at Michele Bachmann’s “tea party” event last Thursday.

One sign at the rally contained images of dead Holocaust victims at the Dachau concentration camp under the banner “National Socialist Health Care.” Another sign said that President Barack Obama “takes his orders” from the Rothschilds, a family of Jewish bankers.

Wiesel commented through his eponymous foundation’s Twitter account:

Elie Wiesel on the GOP Tea Party’s anti-Semitism and Holocaust comparisons: “This kind of political hatred is indecent and disgusting.”

The National Jewish Democratic Council also issued a statement:

“The time has come for [John] Boehner, [Eric] Cantor, [Mike] Pence and other GOP leaders — especially those who were present today — to condemn these disgusting comparisons and anti-Semitism,” said NJDC President David Harris in a statement. “They must tell their base once and for all to cut out this despicable pattern of Holocaust imagery and rhetoric.”

This is the sign, which was reportedly directly in front of the podium and visible to every politician or pundit who spoke at Michele Bachmann’s event.

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103 comments
1 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:49:28am

“They must tell their base once and for all to cut out this despicable pattern of Holocaust imagery and rhetoric.”

Unfortunately, it will never happen as doing so would upset the "base"

2 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:51:00am

re: #1 Bubblehead II

“They must tell their base once and for all to cut out this despicable pattern of Holocaust imagery and rhetoric.”

Unfortunately, it will never happen as doing so would upset the "base"

It IS the base it seems.

3 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:53:10am

OK, I'll delay my signing off for a minute. That sign is absolutely vile. I don't like the public option, nor do I like Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi. But to equate it and them with the murder-by-starvation of Jews, Poles, and others at Dachau Concentration Camp is worse than moral confusion. It is nothing short of inflammatory moral blindness. Shame on anyone who spoke at the event and did not speak up about that sign. By ignoring, they enabled those who carried it.

BBT for real this time.

4 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:53:34am
“The time has come for [John] Boehner, [Eric] Cantor, [Mike] Pence and other GOP leaders — especially those who were present today — to condemn these disgusting comparisons and anti-Semitism,” said NJDC President David Harris in a statement. “They must tell their base once and for all to cut out this despicable pattern of Holocaust imagery and rhetoric.”

Exactly right. Using the Holocaust to score political points is a disgusting insult to those who died and survived. Shameful, and party leaders (from both sides) have to take a stand against it.

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:53:37am

Okay, this may sound self serving, but wouldn't a speaker to himself a great justice by pointing something like that out themselves and having it removed?

6 mj  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:53:37am

Eric Cantor also had something to say about it and Rush:

Cantor criticizes Rush for Hitler-Obama comparison

GOP leaders have been loathe to criticize Rush Limbaugh -- but House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) is taking issue with Limbaugh's claim that President Obama's push for health care was comparable to Hitler's stranglehold on Germany.

Cantor, the highest-ranking Jewish Republican elected official in the country, told Bloomberg News that his party needs to be more inclusive to regain power.

“The Republican Party in its roots is a party of inclusion and we ought to be promoting that and making sure that voices are heard,” Cantor, of Virginia, said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing today...

...A Cantor spokesman also said that signs at Thursday's Hill Tea Party showing murdered Jews at Dachau were "inappropriate."

[Link: www.politico.com...]

7 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:55:20am

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You forget its not about morals or values. It's about getting votes and beating the other team party. So they just look the other way.

8 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:56:28am

re: #2 Pepper Fox

Base behavior

9 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:58:01am

Can I just say "WTF?" at that banner...I mean, just fucking wow! Just when I thought the right-wing, Tea Partying wingnuts couldn't get any lower or act any worse, they pull some vile, stupid shit like this. I thought BDS was bad, but ODS is looking to be much worse in some respects...

/who in their right mind would support and approve of shit like this?

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:59:39am

Someone with some "Juice" needs to step forward and say, "Enough of that!".

11 Summer Seale  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:59:53am

The Conservatives appear to have descended into the same anti-semitic conspiracy hatred and, at the same time, denial as Muslim fanatics. They decry the horror of the Holocaust and Nazism and, in the same breath, accuse the Jews of the same things which the Nazis accused the Jews of doing to perpetrate this crime.

That is sheer lunatic insanity.

12 sagehen  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:00:03am

the House is debating health care on C-Span right now...

13 Hengineer  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:00:29am

re: #11 Summer

The Conservatives appear to have descended into the same anti-semitic conspiracy hatred and, at the same time, denial as Muslim fanatics. They decry the horror of the Holocaust and Nazism and, in the same breath, accuse the Jews of the same things which the Nazis accused the Jews of doing to perpetrate this crime.

That is sheer lunatic insanity.

These aren't normal conservatives, though, they appear to be in the same vein as Paulians.

14 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:01:34am

re: #12 sagehen

Any word from Alan Grayson yet? That man rocks, the only democrat with balls.

15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:02:23am

re: #12 sagehen

I knew I sensed a disturbance in the force...

16 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:02:51am

Alright, denounce the crazies, focus on ideas and solutions, and kick some political butt.

Let's roll.

17 filetandrelease  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:04:24am

As a tea party supporter, that is just vile and disgusting. It also adds nothing to the movement while taking away significant credibility where credibility is scant to be found. Idiots.

18 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:05:08am

re: #14 Pepper Fox

Any word from Alan Grayson yet? That man rocks, the only democrat with balls.

Hmmm,,, I just looked up the word BALLS in several dictionaries and not one of them stated
"bat shit off your rocker"

There was a mention of NUTS though!

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:05:19am
"I'm going to make a protest sign. What will make my point? Hmmm. Perhaps if I display the bodies of murdered Jews it will make people agree with me."


Is that the thought process?

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:06:27am

re: #17 filetandrelease

This is precisely the kind of stuff that stopped me from being a "tea party supporter".

21 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:07:18am

re: #18 sattv4u2

The dude stood up in a session and started naming off the number of people who died of lack of healthcare in each Republican's district. Even when the Republicans tried to force him off he wouldn't stop. That is awesome.

22 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:08:03am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is precisely the kind of stuff that stopped me from being a "tea party supporter".

Exactly...when the Paulians pulled rank and the bigots joined the fray, it hurt any message the "movement" had to offer.

23 abbyadams  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:08:08am

Worse, IMO, these "leaders" (note use of quotes there, because I think that the only thing some of these people should be leading is a line to the john,) missed votes to attend:

Reps. Steve King of Iowa, Trent Franks of Arizona, Randy Forbes of Virginia, Jim Jordan of Ohio, and Louie Gohmert and Ted Poe of Texas all showed up at the Tea Party -- and all missed Patriot Act votes that took place at about the same time. Some of the votes on Republican-sponsored amendments to the reauthorization of the Patriot Act were close enough that they might have passed had more GOPers bothered to show up.

So, Tea Partying is more important than your job that you were elected to do? Nice.

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:08:13am

The wingnuts were calling for another Tea Party today. Did anyone show up?

25 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:09:07am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

It probably turned in to a klan rally.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:09:13am

re: #21 Pepper Fox

Pretty short fuckin' list ain't it?

27 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:09:39am

re: #21 Pepper Fox

The dude stood up in a session and started naming off the number of people who died of lack of healthcare in each Republican's district. Even when the Republicans tried to force him off he wouldn't stop. That is awesome.

I see. So if a whack job has a lucid moment that makes him "awesome". I'll remember that the next time you're critical of someone you disagrewe with. i'm sure I can fond an example of their lucidity and when I do, i'm SURE you'll call them "awesome"

28 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:09:41am

I have switched parties one time in my life. Monday the count will be number two.

29 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:10:07am

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not really when 40,000 people die a year for lack of affordable health insurance in the US.

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:12:09am

re: #29 Pepper Fox

Lack of healthcare was your first post.

31 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:13:22am

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

I registered independent and I'm sooo glad I did.

32 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:13:31am

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lack of healthcare was your first post.

It's Saturday
(college football, and all)
Movable Goal Posts

33 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:13:31am

The GOP Health Care Plan: "I Object!" - Feat. Rep. Tom Price (R-GA)

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:14:32am

re: #32 sattv4u2

Who plays today? Anything good?

35 KingKenrod  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:15:49am

The GOP leadership knows what kinds of signs show up at these rallies, smart leadership would have a sign ban in effect or at least sent some staffers out into the crowd to do some quality control.

36 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:15:52am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

The GOP Health Care Plan: "I Object!" - Feat. Rep. Tom Price (R-GA)

[Video]

I was watching that from the beggining. Dingle opened up by saying "If there are any objections, you can state the m as each speaker comes to the podium"
As each Dem came up for their "unanimous consent" moment, a repub would object, to which Dingle would call them OUT OF ORDER

This, after he stated thats what to do!!

37 boyo  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:16:22am

Eric Cantor excuses the ugly signs as "frustration"


*spit*

2:28

38 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:17:04am

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who plays today? Anything good?

Looks like LSU at Alabama, Navy at Notre Dame, Oklahoma State at Iowa State. And later Oklahoma at Nebraska.

39 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:17:42am

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who plays today? Anything good?

Lesssee ,,, right now I'm doing
NorthWestern/ Iowa, for ESPN
Virginia/ Miami for RAyCom
Tennessee Tech/ Georgia for ISP Sports

Got a few 4 o'clock games also

40 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:17:47am

re: #21 Pepper Fox

The dude stood up in a session and started naming off the number of people who died of lack of healthcare in each Republican's district. Even when the Republicans tried to force him off he wouldn't stop. That is awesome.

It's disgusting. If they truly believe there is a health care crisis, than making political points like that with it instead of passing the legislation is wrong. The Democrats need absolutely 0 support from Republicans to pass any legislation, so it would seem that even their fellow Dems think their ideas suck big time. Did he read the names of people in the Democrats districts who are opposed to this bill? How awesome would that be? Or is the GOP the only ones to blame for every problem?

41 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:17:50am

re: #37 boyo

Eric Cantor excuses the ugly signs as "frustration"

*spit*


2:28

Frustration? Really? That's just asinine.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:17:58am

re: #38 Pepper Fox

Looks like LSU at Alabama, Navy at Notre Dame, Oklahoma State at Iowa State. And later Oklahoma at Nebraska.

Ohio State gets to go to Happy Valley!

Good. A good day.

43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:18:28am

re: #40 soxfan4life

Yup.

44 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:20:02am

re: #40 soxfan4life

Bipartisanship is only when republicans agree with dems

When dems join republicans to block bad legislation , that NOT bipartisan

ggeeezzz!!

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:20:03am

re: #36 sattv4u2

Here's a longer version of the temper tantrum...
Unruly Republicans Disrupt Health Care Debate

46 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:20:10am

re: #39 sattv4u2

Lesssee ,,, right now I'm doing
NorthWestern/ Iowa, for ESPN
Virginia/ Miami for RAyCom
Tennessee Tech/ Georgia for ISP Sports

Got a few 4 o'clock games also

//ooh mister fancy "I don't need an antenna to watch TV" :P

I wish I could afford cable and stuff but Time Warner has a monopoly on the area and gouges prices like crazy. I can barely afford net.

47 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:21:01am

re: #35 KingKenrod

The GOP leadership knows what kinds of signs show up at these rallies, smart leadership would have a sign ban in effect or at least sent some staffers out into the crowd to do some quality control.

Amen. This was not a huge rally, it would have been very easy to do discreetly. The fact nobody there seems to have realized the sign was way over the line speaks volumes.

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:21:15am

Back to work. So I can afford to pay for my Healthcare Insurance.

Two of the 90 hours that I will work this week to afford my Healthcare insurance.

At the job that I worked very hard to get good at.

49 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:21:39am

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like football but I'm not a huge fan. I only turn it on for Texas usually.

50 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Here's a longer version of the temper tantrum...
Unruly Republicans Disrupt Health Care Debate

[Video]

As I've stated, I've had it in front of me since 09:30 (I'm at work and feeding C Span to CNN)

Dingle started it off just as I stated, then changed the "rules"

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #46 Pepper Fox

SATTV RUNS THE SPACE SATELLITES!

52 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:21:56am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Ugh, what a mess.

53 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:23:20am

BTW ... 10 Dems (so far) have voted NAY
8 Not Voting

((but it's the Repubs that are "blocking it"))

54 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:24:20am

re: #53 sattv4u2

BTW ... 10 Dems (so far) have voted NAY
8 Not Voting

((but it's the Repubs that are "blocking it"))

((the vote, btw, was on one of the questiosn,, not the bill itslef,,, but usually the votes on the questions will reflect the vote on the bill

55 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:25:22am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Here's a longer version of the temper tantrum...
Unruly Republicans Disrupt Health Care Debate


[Video]

Oh brother.

56 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:25:22am

re: #54 sattv4u2

How can the Dems vote no when the GOP is the party of no?

57 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:26:21am

re: #46 Pepper Fox

//ooh mister fancy "I don't need an antenna to watch TV" :P

I wish I could afford cable and stuff but Time Warner has a monopoly on the area and gouges prices like crazy. I can barely afford net.

Don't get all puffy. I'm at work and HAVE to "watch" because here is where the cable/ satellite companies/ local channels get the games from

58 boyo  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:26:40am

re: #56 soxfan4life

How can the Dems vote no when the GOP is the party of no?

the party of "object" :)

59 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:27:08am

re: #57 sattv4u2

Lol hince the // I'm just messin' with ya.

60 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:27:38am

re: #58 boyo

see #36

61 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:28:01am

Those images should be held sacred. Exploiting concentration camp images for politics is just horrible. Eric Cantor sounds just like the anti Bush crowd, when the Hitler images were being used against another President. A less popular president. It seems both the left and right are prepared to accept "frustration" as an excuse. Base support indeed.

Seeking attention via outrageous imagery? The act of a desperate movement. Maybe the universe needed something to make Cindy Sheeham seem less crazed.

Can it be stopped before it happens again?
A reminder this cuts both ways.
[Link: earthhopenetwork.net...]

62 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:28:16am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Ugh, what a mess.

It's about abortion, of course.

63 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:29:36am

Debate Rules vote

7 dems already voting no

64 Pepper Fox  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:30:12am

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator

Those images should be held sacred. Exploiting concentration camp images for politics is just horrible. Eric Cantor sounds just like the anti Bush crowd, when the Hitler images were being used against another President. A less popular president. It seems both the left and right are prepared to accept "frustration" as an excuse. Base support indeed.

Seeking attention via outrageous imagery? The act of a desperate movement. Maybe the universe needed something to make Cindy Sheeham seem less crazed.

Can it be stopped before it happens again?
A reminder this cuts both ways.
[Link: earthhopenetwork.net...]

Ouch that site looks like it was set up when Clinton was president.

65 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:30:44am

re: #6 mj

Eric Cantor also had something to say about it and Rush:

Cantor criticizes Rush for Hitler-Obama comparison

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Too bad he didn't do that the other day when this sign was right in front of him.

66 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:32:34am

re: #55 Charles

Oh brother.

I object!
/Wingnut

67 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:32:47am

I wonder whether Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) regrets saying this last Monday:

I believe we have more to fear from the potential of that bill passing than we do from any terrorist right now in any country.

I haven't found any follow-up statements.

68 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:32:59am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

You Lie! ///

69 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:33:53am

re: #68 Sharmuta

I object!
I object!
Parliamentary Procedure!
I object!

70 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:34:34am

re: #67 wrenchwench

I wonder whether Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) regrets saying this last Monday:

I haven't found any follow-up statements.

Except by fellow Republican, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Wash, who responded Tuesday when asked about it:

But when pressed on whether the bill represented something as grave as a terrorist attack, McMorris Rodgers drew a line between the nature of terrorism and the effect of the Democratic proposal.

“I would say it’s the difference between an internal versus an external attack. Yes,” McMorris Rodgers said. The Democratic bill “is internal. This is rocking our foundation.”

71 jaunte  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:34:37am

Some Representatives heard a different spelling when Dingell called for comity.

72 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:35:47am

The broad brush is already being applied by the left and center, sometimes correctly. I don't always agree with the Feathered Bastard, but here he correctly identifies the overlap in Nativist and Nazi rallies. Mainstream Republicans better start walking back from these groups and the rhetoric if they plan on succeeding in 2010. In spinoffs above.

The irony-deficiency mentioned above exists because when it comes to immigration, there's not much that separates the nativists and the Nazis. Indeed, though I doubt any of the local nativists will attend this Saturday's neo-Nazi "America First" anti-immigration rally there's plenty of overlap between the two groups, whether it be in rhetoric or, occasionally, membership.

For example, it's well-known that Mesa neo-Nazi J.T. Ready was once embraced by United for a Sovereign America, and he and fiercely anti-Mexican state Senator Russell Pearce were pals previously.

73 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:37:44am

Once again, we see a similarity between the right and the left fringes: using Holocaust imagery and slogans to further their dishonest cause.

74 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:39:50am

re: #72 Thanos

I am not going to equate an anti ILLEGAL immigration sentiment and the Nazi's. Each and every movement has its fringe.

75 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #73 eclectic infidel

Once again, we see a similarity between the right and the left fringes: using Holocaust imagery and slogans to further their dishonest cause.

I don't necessarily agree the 'cause' is dishonest...but I do believe the 'method' in promoting it could be a lot better. Instead they, the fringe right, are going about it all...

76 jaunte  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:43:21am

re: #72 Thanos

The broad brush is already being applied by the left and center, sometimes correctly. I don't always agree with the Feathered Bastard, but here he correctly identifies the overlap in Nativist and Nazi rallies. Mainstream Republicans better start walking back from these groups and the rhetoric if they plan on succeeding in 2010. In spinoffs above.

Interesting video on J. T. Ready "Jews are subversive" here:
[Link: blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com...]

77 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:45:47am

re: #74 Rightwingconspirator

I am not going to equate an anti ILLEGAL immigration sentiment and the Nazi's. Each and every movement has its fringe.

I've researched the groups in detail behind the movement, and sorry while the rank and file isn't in sympathy with the Nazis, much of the nativist tea cup racialist leadership definitely is in sympathy with all forms of tribal supremacism and populist isolationism. I've got the links and the names to back this up, trust me you don't want to go here.

78 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #75 Oh no...Sand People!

These right wing jerks are incensed at the very idea of a national health care system promoted by a president who is pro-choice and in favor of eliminating the dont ask dont tell policy in the military. They are purposely using Holocaust imagery to convey the idea the Obama wants to kill people for his own nefarious ends. They don't have facts on their side, they have blind rage, and to be honest, I seriously doubt that the rage would be equal if Biden was in the chair instead of Obama. IMO, their cause is dishonest as is their tactics.

79 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:46:54am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Here's a longer version of the temper tantrum...
Unruly Republicans Disrupt Health Care Debate


[Video]

Dear lord. Who's the moron yelling "I object" over and over again to keep the others from speaking? He's like a bully in kindergarten.

80 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #79 mikhailtheplumber

Dear lord. Who's the moron yelling "I object" over and over again to keep the others from speaking? He's like a bully in kindergarten.

Another common antic: bully tactics. I swear, these right wingers are following from the same playbook as the anti-semitic leftists here in the Bay Area.

81 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:49:08am

re: #80 eclectic infidel

Another common antic: bully tactics. I swear, these right wingers are following from the same playbook as the anti-semitic leftists here in the Bay Area.

What works, works, and, sad to say, decent behavior is not yet as well-rewarded as it ought to be.

82 webevintage  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:49:13am

re: #50 sattv4u2

As I've stated, I've had it in front of me since 09:30 (I'm at work and feeding C Span to CNN)

Dingle started it off just as I stated, then changed the "rules"

If you have been watching it from the beginning then you would note that the House Parliamentarian was guiding Dingle.
No rules were broken.

Once the Dems got done the Republicans began with "tyranny" "killing freedom" and "killing jobs" show and the Democrats allowed them to have their say without interrupting or yelling.

83 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:53:36am

re: #76 jaunte

Wowser, that guy definitely has problems. Deep and disturbing problems.

84 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:57:12am

This WILL impact my future voting decisions.

85 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 11:17:18am

Eric Cantor can't comment on the sign, but his spokesman can call it "inappropriate".

Inappropriate? You've got to be kidding. A Republican can't show the guts to term that sign appropriately as obscenely vile, but his "spokesman" can soft-pedal the language of condemnation?

I'm sorry but I don't have appropriate words for my disgust...

86 Lidane  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 11:52:42am

re: #73 eclectic infidel

Once again, we see a similarity between the right and the left fringes: using Holocaust imagery and slogans to further their dishonest cause.

This is precisely why I can't stand the fringes on both sides.

I spent the better part of Bush's presidency yelling loudly and forcefully at anyone who pulled out the "Bush=Hitler" canard, and I didn't even like the guy. Loathed his politics when he was governor here, liked him even less as his presidency went on. I had absolutely no reason to defend him at all, just on principle. Still, using the Holocaust to try and score cheap political points is vile no matter who does it, left or right, so I pushed back against it.

I'd love to see Republican leaders forcibly push back against this sort of imagery and against the "Obama=Hitler" nonsense, but given how in thrall they are to the base and to the far right fringe, I don't hold out much hope of that happening. =/

No one should ever be allowed to exploit something as horrific as the Holocaust for their own agenda. It's beyond the pale, IMO.

87 Lateralis  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 12:24:30pm

Congress is an absolute joke on both sides.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 1:14:20pm

re: #37 boyo

Eric Cantor excuses the ugly signs as "frustration"


*spit*

[Video]

2:28

I once read an article in which that was used by a Russian tank commander to explain a particularly ugly atrocity in Chechnya. "Frustration" may cause many things, but it does not excuse any of them.

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 2:14:34pm

"Faxcist" is a word I use to describe anything I don't like

-a line from Woody Allan's "Manhattan"

In the end, it is good that these folks are proud to display the extent of their cognitive dissonance, they are digging their own mass grave with it.

90 aagcobb  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 3:17:23pm

re: #6 mj

Eric Cantor also had something to say about it and Rush:

Cantor criticizes Rush for Hitler-Obama comparison


[Link: www.politico.com...]

Has the countdown started on when Cantor will apologize to el Rushbo?

91 Kruk  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 3:20:43pm

This is very much an outsider's perspective on the US health care debate, but I find the level of fear and hate generated by this topic hard to understand. The changes that are being proposed, even with a public option, are a very long way short of single payer healthcare and are certainly not socialised medicine.

Besides, the US already has the single payer Medicare system for the over 65s, the people that are the heaviest consumers of healthcare, and that doesn't seem to arouse the same level of fear. The Veterans Adminstration Healthcare System meets the classic definition of socialised medicine (both owned and funded by the government), and it seems to be performing well.

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

So, my question is, what is about these changes (which seem a long way short of the government involvement seen in Mecdicare and the VA) that causes such opposition?

Full disclosure: I have a professional interest in this. I'm a PhD student who works on comparing international health care. My main area of interest is access to pharmaceuticals, but I also have a keen interest in the general health systems.

92 The Mongoose  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 3:35:58pm

Unbelievable that something this important gets derailed into childish name-calling so quickly. And the fact that the abortion issue is driving it is maddening. Republicans SHOULD be trying to stop this. Everyone should. But they should be doing it because government-run health care is an unmitigated disaster, and that point has somehow gotten completely lost.

93 WaveriderCA  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 3:39:59pm

re: #91 Kruk

People are getting into a rage, at least for me, because they abandoned by their government. What does 1 Trillion dollars buy you anyways? Whats the strategy behind everything? If you listened to any politician and had a drinking game involving the words "historic, necessary, and immediate" you would be out cold on your floor in under 5 minutes. How can a 2000+ page bill solve anything except reelection for certain politicians as they're doled out projects for their districts or passing rules to further prevent turnover in the legislature.

That being said republicans have done a horrible job stamping out idiocy like this and actually channeling public outrage into meaningful political momentum. Signs that are entirely insensitive, and out of line are big problems and should be instantly smacked down by repubs.

94 ulmsey123  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 3:54:23pm

Some folk have rocks in their heads. Or less.
The wave of protests are comprised of many groups all over the country. There is no single organization writing down what their members should think. As such, there will be a few crazies in the mix. We "evil monger" Tea Party people need to remind the jerks that they are jerks and that they should stand by themselves somewhere else. Because if they get their stupid signs in a picture, everybody starts condemning the cause as if EACH participant agrees with the nut bags.
Obviously, only narrow minded fools would condemn a political position and a massive revolt based upon the actions of a few dolts.
Argue the argument. It requires thinking, but the pain passes after a while.
And I hope all the opposition out there helps keep it looking good. Take down the bad signs.

95 lrsshadow  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 5:50:11pm

I just looked a the panoramic pictures that I took at the rally and this sign is no where to be found during the rally. Also there were no other signs like it. Now I am not saying it wasn't there, but it certainly was anything other then the norm. I will be back home tomorrow and will post many pictures from both rallies (Thursday and Saturday) and post the link. Being the Saturday Rally was very small (600-1,500) I literally took a picture of every sign I could find, so once I post the link you can see for yourself.

The norm were sings like "kill the bill" "no government health care" "obama's tip of the week invest in soylent green now"
"don't lie to me don't steal from me don't waste my time don't jerk me around"
"The constitution is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
"hey congress keep you law off my body" "house call on congress"
"stop big government" "can you here us now?"

Some from the LaRouche PAC [Link: www.larouchepac.com...] had Obama with a Hitler style mustache, but these guys show up at all kinds of rallies and believe we are still under threat of colonialism from Britain and the UK was responsible for 911.

Thursdays rally had appx. 100,000 people and to take two people as a representative of the norm is irresponsible and intellectually dishonest.

The sign is disgusting, but the left when protesting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan used all kinds of viral pictures and signs to include holocaust pictures, but this was the norm in their protests and not a very extreme exception.

96 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:31:16pm

re: #40 soxfan4life

ok. the GOP had several years of all branches of government to do something about the gaps in healthcare coverage. they did nothing.

It really isn't that some Dems object to the bill - if you check the Orange blog and some other hideouts of the netroots they knew the names of the Dems who would oppose long before the legislation came forward...

(hint, the names the netroots were dropping were all the highest ecipients of healthcare campaign dollars...and guess what?... the dems who think the ideas "are bad"... are the ones who made the most money from the companys these ideas will affect... Oo)

97 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:32:47pm

it's not the people turning up with the offensive signs i get angry at with these events - its the hundreds of poeple who mill around and do or say NOTHING... except "good job bubba"... or "hey them there writings on that paper os is mighty purdy".

gach.

98 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:43:38pm

re: #95 lrsshadow


Thursdays rally had appx. 100,000 people

Right...give or take 80,000 or so.

99 lrsshadow  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:29:45pm

re: #98 bratwurst

Right...give or take 80,000 or so.

Well from being at bonnaroo and seeing what 85,000 people looks like. I will post the pictures when I get back tomorrow and post a link you can judge for yourself.

100 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:00:47pm

re: #95 lrsshadow

Thursdays rally had appx. 100,000 people...

Oh, for Pete's sake. That's ridiculous.

101 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 7:42:04am

Seeing the American flag waving in front of that sign makes me want to burn the flag. It's been contaminated.

102 ulmsey123  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 9:55:15am

re: #96 wozzablog

"ok. the GOP had several years of all branches of government to do something about the gaps in healthcare coverage. they did nothing."

Agreed that neither party has anything to be proud of regarding fixing the problems in the health care system.
Regardless of what SHOULD be done, I do not want to see our government doing things it SHOULDN'T.
My big beef with government on all levels is the scope, size, and centralization of power. Not to mention corruption, legal and otherwise. Also, government has no business being in business. I see the government owning real estate, car companies and banks. Next they want to get into the insurance business. How can companies in the private sector compete against a company that can print its own money?
Why should the people bankroll government business?

103 lrsshadow  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:07:20pm

re: #100 Charles

Maybe I am wrong then but any how here are the pics from the two rallies you can take a look for yourself [Link: www.flickr.com...]


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