I think the man in the car is a 'moderate' and the car is the 'fringe'...and we see who is driving...no one.

We desperately need a serious Republican party. This is just a pathetic comedy.

Live freakshow...
C-SPAN Live Stream

re: #2 Killgore Trout

We desperately need a serious Republican party. This is just a pathetic comedy.

FTFY :-)

As stated in the last thread, the minority leader asked Dingle how to go about objections. Dingle told him at the outset that the minority could object as each dem came up to give their unanimous consent.
During the dem parade to the mic. the repubs did just that. At that time Dingle changed the "rule" he set up

It did turn into a circus, but one that Dingle set up

They're voting on the cold war. Huh.

re: #2 Killgore Trout

We desperately need a serious Republican party. This is just a pathetic comedy.

I object!
///

I have Epilepsy was recently put on Medicare. Barry-Care is going to screw up the closest thing to health insurance I've had in years.

re: #8 sngnsgt

Sorry "Barry Care"??

"I object...I object...I object...I object"

Next up for the GOP Congress is the "making faces at the opposition speaker when they aren't looking and then stopping the moment they turn around" style of parliamentary procedure.

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

Sorry "Barry Care"??

Barack Obama "Health Care"= "Barry-Care"

''acting like boorish sexist pigs'' (???)

I think 1/2 of the children they save are female.

"I object...I object..."
"No we can't."
"No. No. No..."

Hooray!
/

re: #11 sngnsgt

This bill as written will screw up your coverage? Ouch.

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

This bill as written will screw up your coverage? Ouch.

The bill or bills as written or to-be-written, will almost certainly screw up everyone's coverage, Congress and POTUS excluded.

re: #14 Rightwingconspirator

This bill as written will screw up your coverage? Ouch.

I'm on Medicare, almost completely guts it. I go on gov't run health care like it or not.

your tax dollars at work, funding a dysfunctional, chaotic, cluster fuck...this is a good example of why I hate the feds...it's no wonder their job rating has been in the tank for so long

FINALLY,, bipartanship to the MAX

HR 892
(To deny certain Federal funds to any institution of higher education that admits as students aliens who are unlawfully present in the United States.)
Dems 251 Yea
Rebub 172 Yea (1 nay!! wtf??)

re: #13 Oh no...Sand People!

"I object...I object..."
"No we can't."
"No. No. No..."

Hooray!
/

I admit, it's not helpful, but, under these circumstances, nothing they can say or do will change or slow down the inevitability of a tremendously expansive reach of the federal government into a significant sector of the American economy. It will almost certainly be far more expensive than advertised (what isn't?), and will almost certainly discourage medical education and healthcare research and investment.

re: #5 sattv4u2

As stated in the last thread, the minority leader asked Dingle how to go about objections. Dingle told him at the outset that the minority could object as each dem came up to give their unanimous consent.
During the dem parade to the mic. the repubs did just that. At that time Dingle changed the "rule" he set up

It did turn into a circus, but one that Dingle set up

If you have been watching it from the beginning then you would note that the House Parliamentarian was guiding Dingle.
No rules were broken, I think this is the way things are done.

Once the Dems got done the Republicans began with "tyranny" "killing freedom" and "killing jobs" show and the Democrats allowed them to have their say without interrupting or yelling.

re: #18 sattv4u2

(1 nay!! wtf??)

Ron Paul?

re: #20 webevintage

If you have been watching it from the beginning then you would note that the House Parliamentarian was guiding Dingle.
No rules were broken, I think this is the way things are done.

Once the Dems got done the Republicans began with "tyranny" "killing freedom" and "killing jobs" show and the Democrats allowed them to have their say without interrupting or yelling.

Again, that was AFTER Dingle changed his own rule (state your objection as the speaker is at the podium)

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul?

Electronic voting

doesn't have the roll call up, just the numbers

there are 237 millionaires in congress, 44%...
as opposed to 1% in the gen pop...
House of the people my ass

Wow- that is really unbecoming.

I have seen similar legislative debates get as heated, and the minority side was unfairly silenced in that case, but they did not give in to unprofessionalism. They instead protested silently by duct taping their mouths (there were some great pics in the paper of this). But the bullying, and interruptions is ugly and uncalled for , and for them to think the American people would be impressed is just wrong. I want to know what all sides in this debate have to say, and this ugly tactic is wrong.

re: #24 albusteve

there are 237 admitted/proven millionaires in congress, 44%...
as opposed to 1% in the gen pop...
House of the people my ass

How many are secretly LOADED?

Speaking of Ron Paul...
"Did Ron Paul Really Sign This?" (via google)

Seems very... British...

re: #10 Bloodnok

"I object...I object...I object...I object"

Next up for the GOP Congress is the "making faces at the opposition speaker when they aren't looking and then stopping the moment they turn around" style of parliamentary procedure.

I thought we were all dropping our pencils at 1:30...?

re: #19 Guanxi88

I admit, it's not helpful, but, under these circumstances, nothing they can say or do will change or slow down the inevitability of a tremendously expansive reach of the federal government into a significant sector of the American economy. It will almost certainly be far more expensive than advertised (what isn't?), and will almost certainly discourage medical education and healthcare research and investment.

Agreed. I am just sick of the 'showmanship' so that during election time..."Look at how I fought for your rights!"

Me:"Really? By screaming 'object. object...object'...that's fighting for my rights? Why then did you vote 'yay' to every BS spending spree they sent your way..."

Get em all out.

re: #22 sattv4u2

Again, that was AFTER Dingle changed his own rule (state your objection as the speaker is at the podium)

There's a difference between saying "I object" once, to express your objection, and yelling it repeatedly to keep the speaker from being heard.

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many are secretly LOADED?

Well, the late Honorable Gentleman from Massachusetts almost certainly was for much of his career. Or are you talking about money?

I'm still trying to find out if the Stupek bills cuts all abortion funding or if abortions in the case of a woman's health will be allowed in the insurance programs when the woman gets a subsidy.

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many are secretly LOADED?

at least five are worth over $200m
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

re: #32 Guanxi88

Oh, leave Teddy alone.

the subject of this thread and the previous thread are stark examples of how the GOP turns off two major groups that COULD make it the leading party in the country. It's tin ear towards the sensitivities of many Jews as illustrated by the exploitation of the Holocaust (previous thread) is deadly when it comes to getting Jews to embrace the GOP. And it's hysteria regarding the abortion issue not only turns off appx 100% of liberal minded women (a group that mostly rejects the GOP), but also many sympathetic men who never want to see women in need of abortions forced to endure dangerous back alley procedures.

re: #33 webevintage

They'll let you know after they vote.

re: #30 Oh no...Sand People!

Agreed. I am just sick of the 'showmanship' so that during election time..."Look at how I fought for your rights!"

Me:"Really? By screaming 'object. object...object'...that's fighting for my rights? Why then did you vote 'yay' to every BS spending spree they sent your way..."

Get em all out.

Well, the figure they gotta do something, or they'll lose their phoney-baloney jobs and have to look for work in the lobbying sector.

I wouldn't mind a clean broom passing through Congress, but it'll never happen.

Damn- the deeper into the video, the worse it gets. If they're so concerned with the damned time, quit interrupting everything!

re: #20 webevintage

re: #22 sattv4u2

Again, that was AFTER Dingle changed his own rule (state your objection as the speaker is at the podium)

NOTE ,, I already stated it turned into a farce, but from the outset that was Dingles doing in stating
A) how / when to object and
B) from the beginning the Repubs were asking for a moment of clarification which Dingle ignored by calling up the "unanimous consent" calls led by the majority

IF he had heard the objections beforehand and THEN ruled how it would proceed, it would not have turned into the circus, imho

re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, leave Teddy alone.

I can't hurt him, and I kinda miss the old doofus. Mass politics are funny like that - I never voted for the guy, opposed him on damned near every point, and felt genuine sorry when he fell ill and passed. He was like that uncle we all have - you know he's dead wrong on everything, and he frustrates you no end, but you can't help liking him.

re: #40 sattv4u2

re: #22 sattv4u2

NOTE ,, I already stated it turned into a farce, but from the outset that was Dingles doing in stating
A) how / when to object and
B) from the beginning the Repubs were asking for a moment of clarification which Dingle ignored by calling up the "unanimous consent" calls led by the majority

IF he had heard the objections beforehand and THEN ruled how it would proceed, it would not have turned into the circus, imho

It was very stupid of Dingles to assume Republican members of Congress would behave like grown-ups, I admit.

re: #31 mikhailtheplumber

There's a difference between saying "I object" once, to express your objection, and yelling it repeatedly to keep the speaker from being heard.

Again, Dingle told them to state their objection as each speaker went to the mic. When a congressperson objects (s)he should be recognized at that time by the chair. If not, the objection continues until recognized

re: #29 Sharmuta

I thought we were all dropping our pencils at 1:30...?

LMAO

re: #41 Guanxi88

I can't hurt him, and I kinda miss the old doofus. Mass politics are funny like that - I never voted for the guy, opposed him on damned near every point, and felt genuine sorry when he fell ill and passed. He was like that uncle we all have - you know he's dead wrong on everything, and he frustrates you no end, but you can't help liking him.

I disliked him immensely, that will never change

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They'll let you know after they vote.

It is just chapping my hide that we've been yelling for bills being up for 72 hours, but then they will be voting on an amendment and you can't take a look at it.
I understand that pro-life folks don't want abortions paid for.
I'm pro-choice but am willing support his amendment IF it follows the Hyde formula and gets pro-life dems to vote for the house bill.
I just want the process to move forward.

re: #45 albusteve

I disliked him immensely, that will never change

Mary Joe Kopechne could not be reached for comment.

re: #42 mikhailtheplumber

It was very stupid of Dingles to assume Republican members of Congress would behave like grown-ups, I admit.

Yeah ,, it was stupid of him to think the repubs would follow the rule that Dingle laid out!

re: #24 albusteve

there are 237 millionaires in congress, 44%...
as opposed to 1% in the gen pop...
House of the people my ass

My favorite method, in which we would be jailed for 'insider trading'...

Senate: "Oh, a (input calamity of choice here) in (input country of choice here), we gotta send in the human relief supplies...Now who are we going to award the (input industry of choice here) contract for the (input product of choice here)?"

Senator calling accountant, "Hey, I need us to purchase XXX amount of shares in (insert industry of choice here)".

*Spit*

re: #42 mikhailtheplumber

It was very stupid of Dingles to assume Republican members of Congress would behave like grown-ups, I admit.

It's stupid to assume any member of Congress would behave like a grown-up.

re: #41 Guanxi88

I can't hurt him, and I kinda miss the old doofus. Mass politics are funny like that - I never voted for the guy, opposed him on damned near every point, and felt genuine sorry when he fell ill and passed. He was like that uncle we all have - you know he's dead wrong on everything, and he frustrates you no end, but you can't help liking him.

Teddy received many "free passes" over the years because everyone felt bad about what happened to his older brothers. He was not an evil guy, but had MAJOR flaws such as what happened on the Cape in 1969.

"There is no advantage to be had by making all of this fuss."

Exactly- it's a disadvantage really, because now republicans look like whining brats who can't let anyone else speak their position. Shameful.

re: #51 _RememberTonyC

re: #47 Guanxi88

Mary Joe Kopechne could not be reached for comment.

My god it's like watching a 3 year old cover his ears and go LA LA LA LA LA LA and throwing a temper tantrum.

re: #52 Sharmuta

"There is no advantage to be had by making all of this fuss."

Exactly- it's a disadvantage really, because now republicans look like whining brats who can't let anyone else speak their position. Shameful.

It's shameful, but what of it? The bill will pass, and there's not a damned thing that can be done to stop it. And we'll all have to live with it for the rest of our lives.

"It's a pier six brawl out there, Mean Gene! George "The Animal" Steel is in the ring! HE'S EATING THE TURNBUCKLE!!"

re: #49 Oh no...Sand People!

My favorite method, in which we would be jailed for 'insider trading'...

Senate: "Oh, a (input calamity of choice here) in (input country of choice here), we gotta send in the human relief supplies...Now who are we going to award the (input industry of choice here) contract for the (input product of choice here)?"

Senator calling accountant, "Hey, I need us to purchase XXX amount of shares in (insert industry of choice here)".

*Spit*

congress may not be corrupt by the word of the law, but morally and ethically they are felons of the worst sort...spit

re: #53 Guanxi88

re: #47 Guanxi88

exactly ... Teddy never really had was called to account for that, unless you consider never being POTUS the price he paid.

re: #56 WindUpBird

"It's a pier six brawl out there, Mean Gene! George "The Animal" Steel is in the ring! HE'S EATING THE TURNBUCKLE!!"

Takes me right back to the days when I'd sit with my father and watch professional wrestling. He'd have a beer in one hand, and a pipe full of cheap-ass tobacco in the other, and we'd just howl in laughter.

re: #59 Guanxi88

Takes me right back to the days when I'd sit with my father and watch professional wrestling. He'd have a beer in one hand, and a pipe full of cheap-ass tobacco in the other, and we'd just howl in laughter.

I miss the Road Warriors...

re: #56 WindUpBird

"It's a pier six brawl out there, Mean Gene! George "The Animal" Steel is in the ring! HE'S EATING THE TURNBUCKLE!!"

I've got Big John Stud's autograph!
...somewhere...

re: #59 Guanxi88

Takes me right back to the days when I'd sit with my father and watch professional wrestling. He'd have a beer in one hand, and a pipe full of cheap-ass tobacco in the other, and we'd just howl in laughter.

My parents thought I was insane for liking it as a kid. 8-) But they still took me to some of the events!

re: #56 WindUpBird

"It's a pier six brawl out there, Mean Gene! George "The Animal" Steel is in the ring! HE'S EATING THE TURNBUCKLE!!"

Man- that takes me back.

And now that I think on it, perhaps Bobby Heenan would be a good Congressman...

re: #60 Oh no...Sand People!

I miss the Road Warriors...

I think I was 7 or 8 when, inspired by these athletes, I swung a folding chair at my father. Later, on the ride home from the ER, the Deep Magic of professional wrestling was explained to me.

re: #64 Guanxi88

I think I was 7 or 8 when, inspired by these athletes, I swung a folding chair at my father. Later, on the ride home from the ER, the Deep Magic of professional wrestling was explained to me.

Bwaahaaa!

I think I was the only kid in late elementary school who didn't like wrestling.

re: #64 Guanxi88

I think I was 7 or 8 when, inspired by these athletes, I swung a folding chair at my father. Later, on the ride home from the ER, the Deep Magic of professional wrestling was explained to me.

I've been a cynic and a pessimist ever since.

Dunderdome: Two clowns enter, one clown leaves.

re: #67 Guanxi88

I've been a cynic and a pessimist ever since.

Well if wrestling isn't real, who can you trust?

re: #58 _RememberTonyC

exactly ... Teddy never really had was called to account for that, unless you consider never being POTUS the price he paid.

and his ass kissing senate sycophants that worshipped the ground he walked are were just as bad...enablers who design their own reality, then live in it...worse than disgusting

re: #64 Guanxi88

I think I was 7 or 8 when, inspired by these athletes, I swung a folding chair at my father. Later, on the ride home from the ER, the Deep Magic of professional wrestling was explained to me.

Damn! All I did was occasionally jump off the couch into cushions.

re: #69 bosforus

Well if wrestling isn't real, who can you trust?

To quote Johnny Caspar, from Miller's Crossing:

If you can't trust a fix, what can you trust? It's a question of ethics.

re: #71 WindUpBird

Damn! All I did was occasionally jump off the couch into cushions.

If I did that, my mother'd punish me. I knew better.

re: #63 Sharmuta

Man- that takes me back.

And now that I think on it, perhaps Bobby Heenan would be a good Congressman...

Don't laugh, Sharm. One of he leading Republican challengers (as of now) to run against Chris Dodd next year is Linda McMahon. Linda is the wife of Vince McMahon, the head "honco" of the WWE Pro Wrestling organization.

Submitted as an example of the trust deserved by this administrations fixes

[Link: www.sacbee.com...]

Many California jobs 'saved' by stimulus funds weren't in jeopardy

re: #73 Guanxi88

If I did that, my mother'd punish me. I knew better.

I just sat quietly and built myself in to the corner of my room with Lego cities :P

re: #64 Guanxi88

Whoa! Dude!

re: #75 Rightwingconspirator

Jobist!

re: #75 Rightwingconspirator

Submitted as an example of the trust deserved by this administrations fixes

[Link: www.sacbee.com...]

Many California jobs 'saved' by stimulus funds weren't in jeopardy

"we've saved 9 out of every 5 jobs!"

re: #76 Pepper Fox

I just sat quietly and built myself in to the corner of my room with Lego cities :P

Oh, I did that too! The entire space underneath my bed was filled with trays of lego components.

re: #12 in excess

''acting like boorish sexist pigs'' (???)

I think 1/2 of the children they save are female.

Yes- they are acting like sexist pigs to stand there and object to a Congresswoman supporting more women getting into medical schools. What in the world is objectionable about that?!

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've waited my whole like for an ist on my view. Thanks!

PIMF "life"

re: #75 Rightwingconspirator

Submitted as an example of the trust deserved by this administrations fixes

[Link: www.sacbee.com...]

Many California jobs 'saved' by stimulus funds weren't in jeopardy

I wonder if this will have any effect on the claim that support for the President's policies is consistent with the goals and standards of the self-identified "reality-based" community.

Didn't President Obama give a shout out to former wrestling legend Chief Jay Strongbow the other day before he addressed the massacre at Ft Hood?

/

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

I've waited my whole like for an ist on my view. Thanks!

Does that post come with English subtitles??

//

re: #84 Guanxi88

I wonder if this will have any effect on the claim that support for the President's policies is consistent with the goals and standards of the self-identified "reality-based" community.

reality based?...bwahaha!

Gotta work on a picture. Later all.

re: #85 _RememberTonyC

Didn't President Obama give a shout out to former wrestling legend Chief Jay Strongbow the other day before he addressed the massacre at Ft Hood?

/

OMG! I remember Chief Wahoo McDaniel, the Iron Sheik, and all that crop of wrestlers.

The Camel Clutch!

re: #81 Sharmuta

I, personally like the idea of "qualified candidates" getting into medical school.

Just wait until the medical bill starts to "work". Like a requirement to not exclude pre existing condition patients. But no price cap. Sooo just take the regular rate, double the annual income of these uninsured people and call that the premium rate.

All fixed now.

re: #89 Guanxi88

Baron Von Rashkie!

re: #81 Sharmuta

What business is it of Congress on how many women are admitted into medical school? I happen to think the more the better, but really we need government to get a little less involved in everything.

re: #89 Guanxi88

When I was a kid it was female rollerball in the rink. Which may explain my taste in women for spouse and fiends.

The war of the Leaves is now entering it's second month, and I must bolster the Eastern front or surely the bulwarks will be whelmed, I'm off to haul out the blower. See you all a bit later on.

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Baron Von Rashkie!

The Claw!

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

When I was a kid it was female rollerball in the rink. Which may explain my taste in women for spouse and fiends.

Like the tough ones, eh?

Hell on wheels.

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

When I was a kid it was female rollerball in the rink. Which may explain my taste in women for spouse and fiends.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Just wait until the medical bill starts to "work". Like a requirement to not exclude pre existing condition patients. But no price cap. Sooo just take the regular rate, double the annual income of these uninsured people and call that the premium rate.

All fixed now.

No price cap?
Then it is great that the house bill will be merged with the bill in the Senate and this oversight can be dealt with.

Bruno Sammartino
Pedro Morales
Baron Sicluna
Black Jack Mulligan
Beautiful Bobby
Gorilla Monsoon
Haystack Calhoun
Killer Kowalski

Ah ... the memories

Many older male politicians in general are just not used to women in positions of authority. Condescending attitudes towards women in leadership tends to be a pattern. It's pathetic.

re: #96 Sharmuta
HA!

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

Bruno Sammartino
Pedro Morales
Baron Sicluna
Black Jack Mulligan
Beautiful Bobby
Gorilla Monsoon
Haystack Calhoun
Killer Kowalski

Ah ... the memories

Like heroes of ancient mythology,saints of the middle ages, roll-call of Valhalla's warrior - all this and more were they to me when I was about 7.

re: #99 webevintage
Do not bet on it. I dearly hope you are correct. The 5 billion set aside for uninsurable folks will last about a week.

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

Bruno Sammartino
Pedro Morales
Baron Sicluna
Black Jack Mulligan
Beautiful Bobby
Gorilla Monsoon
Haystack Calhoun
Killer Kowalski

Ah ... the memories

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

When I was a kid it was female rollerball in the rink. Which may explain my taste in women for spouse and fiends.

[Link: www.baycitybombers.com...]

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

Bruno Sammartino
Pedro Morales
Baron Sicluna
Black Jack Mulligan
Beautiful Bobby
Gorilla Monsoon
Haystack Calhoun
Killer Kowalski

Ah ... the memories

I met Rick (The Nature Boy) Flair once. I was a head taller than him. About knocked me down...

Couple other guys were with him... HUGE! As big as Pepper Fox!

re: #106 Thanos

Yes that's it!!! The things that stick in a young boys mind... I better stop there.

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I met Rick (The Nature Boy) Flair once. I was a head taller than him. About knocked me down...

Couple other guys were with him... HUGE! As big as Pepper Fox!

I actually read Ric Flair's book!

re: #106 Thanos

[Link: www.baycitybombers.com...]

Central Texas got 'em, too:

http://www.txrd.com/

Las Putas del Fuego are a popular team, as are the Holy Rollers

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

Bruno Sammartino
Pedro Morales
Baron Sicluna
Black Jack Mulligan
Beautiful Bobby
Gorilla Monsoon
Haystack Calhoun
Killer Kowalski

Ah ... the memories

I used to go to Kowalski's wrestling school in Malden Mass (no , not as a student ,, juts to look)

Depending on the day and if there was an event somewhere around Boston (N.H., Worcester, Providence, et al) some of the greats would be in there working on their acts moves

re: #103 Guanxi88

Like heroes of ancient mythology,saints of the middle ages, roll-call of Valhalla's warrior - all this and more were they to me when I was about 7.

Did you see that captain Lou Albano died a few weeks ago?

re: #110 Guanxi88

Central Texas got 'em, too:

http://www.txrd.com/

Las Putas del Fuego are a popular team, as are the Holy Rollers

That was actually the plot of a recent episode of King of the Hill.

re: #112 _RememberTonyC

Did you see that captain Lou Albano died a few weeks ago?

Yes, and I love that the memorial service turned into a riot. He'd have had it no other way.

re: #111 sattv4u2
Did you guys see?
[Link: www.thewrestlermovie.com...]

re: #113 Pepper Fox

That was actually the plot of a recent episode of King of the Hill.

Hell, I live in Austin, and I recognize, if no the characters, then certainly representatives of the types, all around me. Office Space was filmed about 200 yards from where I used to live.

re: #109 _RememberTonyC

I actually read Ric Flair's book!

Ric has a book? (I spelled it Rick, shoulda known better.)

re: #8 sngnsgt

I have Epilepsy was recently put on Medicare. Barry-Care is going to screw up the closest thing to health insurance I've had in years.

So you're not opposed to gov't health insurance on principle, you're just opposed to gov't health insurance for people who aren't you. That's sweet.

re: #111 sattv4u2

I used to go to Kowalski's wrestling school in Malden Mass (no , not as a student ,, juts to look)

Depending on the day and if there was an event somewhere around Boston (N.H., Worcester, Providence, et al) some of the greats would be in there working on their acts moves

Was Freddie Blassie there? I loved how he called people "pencil neck geeks."

re: #112 _RememberTonyC

I'll always dig that guy. He was Cyndi Lauper's dad in her videos! :D

re: #118 sagehen

How did you get that reading? Did we see the same post?!

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ric has a book? (I spelled it Rick, shoulda known better.)

yeah ... it was sent to me by the publisher a few years ago. they were trying to get me to book him for an interview so he could promote it. That was NOT gonna happen. I think I gave the book away after I read it.

re: #118 sagehen

What? That is nonsense.

I am opposed to government run healthcare for everybody. I have absolutely no problem with Medicare/Medicaid for those with health concerns that are not affordably insured through the private sector.

That was kind of mean.

re: #116 Guanxi88

I thought Office Space was filmed in Dallas...and yes KOTH is very accurate of centeral/north Texas.

re: #119 _RememberTonyC

Was Freddie Blassie there? I loved how he called people "pencil neck geeks."

Oh hell yes

At one time or another I saw every "name" in there. Some were just hanging around (what would you do in your spare time if you were a pro wrestler in town for a week or so doing 3-4 shows,,, you'd go Where EveryBody Knows Your Name )((apologies to Cheers))
Others would be "guest instructors", while still others were there to work out

I remember my Grandpa watch "Wrestling at the Chase" in the 60's and 70's, he would sit there in his Bar-co-Lounger smoking a pipe and drinking his Bud.
You did not walk in front of the TV.

He liked Roller Derby too...

re: #93 soxfan4life

What business is it of Congress on how many women are admitted into medical school? I happen to think the more the better, but really we need government to get a little less involved in everything.

And you think women's ability to get into med school is the battle to choose for your fight?

And it's besides the point I made that it looks petty to object to such a thing.

re: #120 WindUpBird

I'll always dig that guy. He was Cyndi Lauper's dad in her videos! :D

a classic character for sure ... with rubber bands in his beard ...

re: #124 Pepper Fox

I thought Office Space was filmed in Dallas...and yes KOTH is very accurate of centeral/north Texas.

Nope, over by the old IBM campus, now converted to high-end shops and condos:

[Link: www.movielocationsguide.com...]

re: #118 sagehen

So you're not opposed to gov't health insurance on principle, you're just opposed to gov't health insurance for people who aren't you. That's sweet.

what a stupid thing to say...congratulations

re: #128 _RememberTonyC

a classic character for sure ... with rubber bands in his beard ...

And pierced ears. he was, i think, the first man on whom I noticed an earring. It struck me as odd and frightening.

this wrestling discussion is why I love LGF. we can tackle the serious issues of the day, and also debate the merits of Beautiful Bobby's "figure four death lock."

Thanks Charles

re: #127 Sharmuta

And you think women's ability to get into med school is the battle to choose for your fight?

And it's besides the point I made that it looks petty to object to such a thing.

Sorry, Sharm, They weren't objecting to that. What each congressperson was supposeed to do was give their "unanimous consent". Thats what the objection(s) were too. Each congressperson (both sides, btw) took it upon themselves to pontificate on point or another of the bill
The "objection" was to the "unanimous consent"

re: #115 Rightwingconspirator

Did you guys see?
[Link: www.thewrestlermovie.com...]

I loved it.

re: #129 Guanxi88

Nope, over by the old IBM campus, now converted to high-end shops and condos:

[Link: www.movielocationsguide.com...]

Ah I looked it up and it was also shot in Dallas, the traffic mostly. Very accurate X.x and Mike Judge based KOTH off living in Garland, basically Dallas, but It is slightly more rural than that.

re: #132 _RememberTonyC

this wrestling discussion is why I love LGF. we can tackle the serious issues of the day, and also debate the merits of Beautiful Bobby's "figure four death lock."

Thanks Charles

Professional wrestling, like Beijing Opera, like Noh Plays from Japan, provide a perfect, non-political parallel to the ongoing nonsense in DC and environs.

re: #132 _RememberTonyC

Johnny Weaver's sleeper hold?

re: #135 Pepper Fox

Ah I looked it up and it was also shot in Dallas, the traffic mostly. Very accurate X.x and Mike Judge based KOTH off living in Garland, basically Dallas, but It is slightly more rural than that.

Love the episode where they learn the history of Arlen, and what it used to be called, and how many famous men had visited its establishments.

re: #127 Sharmuta

And you think women's ability to get into med school is the battle to choose for your fight?

And it's besides the point I made that it looks petty to object to such a thing.

I noticed no one yelled anything out while Debbie Wasserman Schultz gave her support to some breast cancer thing.
Maybe Joe Wilson was not there yet...

re: #134 Killgore Trout

I was just thinking that I still haven't seen that movie.

I've got a few to see before the weeks out. 12 Angry Men (Lee J. Cobb version) and The Wrestler.

re: #134 Killgore Trout

I loved it.

it was awesome ... mickey rourke was incredible

re: #139 webevintage
YOU LIE!

Was Freddy Blassie the guy who pulled out his tooth & used it as a weapon when the ref wasn't looking? The whole crowd yelling, "the tooth, the tooth!!!" he'd put it back in his mouth then the ref would come and look in his mouth & find nothing amiss???

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Johnny Weaver's sleeper hold?

Haystack Calhoun's "Big Splash?"

re: #131 Guanxi88

And pierced ears. he was, i think, the first man on whom I noticed an earring. It struck me as odd and frightening.

Mr. Clean had one.

re: #133 sattv4u2

I'm sorry but when people hear "IobjectIobjectIobjectIobject!" to people saying they support more women getting into med school, you think they're really going to take the time to understand it to your extent, or are people just going to see pettiness?

I say they'll see the pettiness.

gotta run ... BBL

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mr. Clean had one.

I don't count product personifications. I never could figure him out, that Mr. Clean guy. He's bald, and somehow, that, too, bothered me. Perhaps I saw on his shiny scalp a hint and suggestion of what the passage of time would do to my own hair.

re: #146 Sharmuta

I'm sorry but when people hear "IobjectIobjectIobjectIobject!" to people saying they support more women getting into med school, you think they're really going to take the time to understand it to your extent, or are people just going to see pettiness?

I say they'll see the pettiness.

good thing so few people are watching the...well maybe not on second thought

Pathetic.

That's the word that comes to mind. Utterly pathetic.

re: #150 enoughalready

Pathetic.

That's the word that comes to mind. Utterly pathetic.

look, it's not my fault. i didn't start talking about wrestling.

re: #146 Sharmuta

I'm sorry but when people hear "IobjectIobjectIobjectIobject!" to people saying they support more women getting into med school, you think they're really going to take the time to understand it to your extent, or are people just going to see pettiness?

I say they'll see the pettiness.

It looked baaaddd.
Then the contrast of the Dems sitting by politely while the Republicans all said pretty much the same thing was quite an ad waiting to be made.

re: #146 Sharmuta

I'm sorry but when people hear "IobjectIobjectIobjectIobject!" to people saying they support more women getting into med school, you think they're really going to take the time to understand it to your extent, or are people just going to see pettiness?

I say they'll see the pettiness.

Again, no matter WHAT the dem congressperson at the mic was pontificating about (beyond the unanimous consent) the calls of objection were heard
When one stated it would cut costs, increase coverage, lower the deficit, make it affordable,, ALL the talking points. It wasn;t THAT that they objected too. It was the consent

re: #152 webevintage

It looked baaaddd.
Then the contrast of the Dems sitting by politely while the Republicans all said pretty much the same thing was quite an ad waiting to be made.

What part of THEY HAD TOO because Dingle changed the "rules" (the rules he paid out, btw) midstream didn't you get?

re: #153 sattv4u2

You don't suppose this little parliamentary stunt was intended to produce this spectacle for later use, do you? Simply ignore the objections, compelling the one objecting to repeat his objection, in accordance with procedure, until recognized.

re: #149 albusteve

good thing so few people are watching the...well maybe not on second thought

I'm listening with one ear while I do work, just waiting to hear what crazy Michelle Bachman is gonna say. It would be nice if more people took an interest in the work of the gov't.

re: #153 sattv4u2

Did you read what I wrote? It doesn't matter- it's the image that will be remembered- the image of republicans saying "I object" over and over to reasonable comments from Congresswomen.

It. Looks. Petty.

re: #155 Guanxi88

You don't suppose this little parliamentary stunt was intended to produce this spectacle for later use, do you? Simply ignore the objections, compelling the one objecting to repeat his objection, in accordance with procedure, until recognized.

Thats what I stated in the last thread. One has to state an objection until recognized. If not, one re-states the objection. Dingle didn't "recognize" the objection

That said, what the repubs SHOULD have down is walk out except for the minority leader who would ONCE EACH time quietky object until the conga line of dems finished

re: #157 Sharmuta

Did you read what I wrote? It doesn't matter- it's the image that will be remembered- the image of republicans saying "I object" over and over to reasonable comments from Congresswomen.

It. Looks. Petty.

I already said it turned into a circus, but much of that lays at the feet of what Dingle did at the beginning

Right now, they are standing up one at a time for a minute apiece, 1st a dem, then a repub, then a dem, then a repub, etc etc and at the OUTSET it was stated no objections/ interruptions

re: #151 Guanxi88

look, it's not my fault. i didn't start talking about wrestling.

Bruce Lee vs. Chuck Norris after the commercial break on G4. MST.

ugh ,, Rangle at the mic

Maybe if he pays the taxes he owes we'll be able to afford this bill!!

//kinda

We have 4 hours of debate, then I think they will vote on the Republican bill and the Stupak amendment which I found:

[Link: docs.google.com...]

I gotta go wrestle a 100 gallon aquarium and stand out of my place. See ya all later!

re: #163 Rightwingconspirator

I gotta go wrestle a 100 gallon aquarium and stand out of my place. See ya all later!

It'll be a tad easier if you drain it 1st!

(just sayin!)

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am opposed to government run healthcare for everybody.

It's my understanding that the Public Option, in the form it is in the the Reid compromise legislation, would have such strict elegibilty limitations that only something like 10% of the workforce would have it as a choice. That would be pretty unfortunate IMO, but in its current incarnation, definitely not government run healthcare for everybody.

I have absolutely no problem with Medicare/Medicaid for those with health concerns that are not affordably insured through the private sector.

Do that many people really feel their health concerns are affordably addressed through their private insurer? Especially for those who find out how much of their work compensation is going to their health care, those who purchase their own insurance, those who know the recission and claims denial rate of their insurer (which really upends the peace-of-mind aspect of insurance), or who have experienced a large donut hole deductible followed by an anemic coinsurance rate, or have hit their maximum annual cap / lifetime cap.

re: #164 sattv4u2
Oh yeah... Gotta do that

:)

re: #160 bosforus

Chuck Norris Facts

re: #157 Sharmuta

What will be remembered is that the worst bill in the history of the republic is being force-fed down our throats by the most corrupt and despicable Congress of all time.

Unless of course you think that 2000 pages of inane gobbledygook is great for our nation. Just a peek:

"(a) Outpatient Hospitals - (1) In General - Section 1833(t)(3)(C)(iv) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395(t)(3)(C)(iv)) is amended - (A) in the first sentence - (i) by inserting "(which is subject to the productivity adjustment described in subclause (II) of such section)" after "1886(b)(3)(B)(iii); and (ii) by inserting "(but not below 0)" after "reduced"; and (B) in the second sentence, by inserting "and which is subject, beginning with 2010 to the productivity adjustment described in section 1886(b)(3)(B)(iii)(II)".

Yeah, I can see healthcare costs dropping dramatically and the quality of care going through the roof.

Whatever. I give up. I'm a dinosaur. Makes me wonder how the ENTIRE foundation of our federal government and unified nation was handwritten on five pages. We've lost our way and I don't think it's recoverable at this point.

re: #168 borgcube

So- because I think the republicans behaved themselves poorly today, that means I support this legislation?

Isn't this how they conduct business in the British parliament?

re: #170 jordash1212

Isn't this how they conduct business in the British parliament?

OR

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seems very... British...

It's nothing like British Parliament. Rather, it's the Republican party putting on a version of a famous Groucho Marx song.

re: #171 sattv4u2

OR

Taiwan's parliament is also home to some very vigorous debates:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Here's a compilation of some of the best from 2008:

re: #170 jordash1212

re: #173 Guanxi88

or South Korea'

[Link: www.break.com...]

re: #169 Sharmuta

Of course not. But how the Republicans handled themselves today isn't the real problem or what should be getting everyone's attention on the floor in the House right now. It's irrelevant when compared to what's about to happen.

re: #168 borgcube

Yeah, what a bunch of nonsense. Here's some more:

`(a) EIGHT-YEAR LIMITATION- Notwithstanding section 3282, no person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for any noncapital offense involving a violation of any provision listed in section 2332b(g)(5)(B), or a violation of section 112, 351(e), 1361, or 1751(e) of this title, or section 46504, 46505, or 46506 of title 49, unless the indictment is found or the information is instituted within 8 years after the offense was committed. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, offenses listed in section 3295 are subject to the statute of limitations set forth in that section.

Talk about gibberish! All those section numbers and cross-references...oh, wait...that's from the PATRIOT Act. Does that law suck too?

re: #176 JanglerNPL

Yes, it does.

re: #170 jordash1212

Isn't this how they conduct business in the British parliament?

No, it's like this:

More troops may not be the answer to Nato's Afghanistan problems, a key adviser to President Barack Obama has said.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

decision still weeks away...he said he had a plan last March and I can't say how upsetting this is to me...this is a game where you die if you lose...

re: #177 borgcube

I applaud your consistency, at least.

re: #176 JanglerNPL

Yeah, what a bunch of nonsense. Here's some more:

Talk about gibberish! All those section numbers and cross-references...oh, wait...that's from the PATRIOT Act. Does that law suck too?

so because (in your view) the Patriot Act sucks and is filled with gibberish it's okay to pass ANOTHER sucky gibberish act?

You really want to stick with that "logic"?

re: #168 borgcube

What will be remembered is that the worst bill in the history of the republic is being force-fed down our throats by the most corrupt and despicable Congress of all time.

Interesting. So the Democrats also get to act like the Marx Brothers.

re: #181 sattv4u2

I *don't* think the PATRIOT Act was sucky and filled with gibberish. That's borgcube's position. I'm just saying that posting a random inscrutable snippet of text from a law isn't a very persuasive argument for the merits or demerits of the law.

re: #169 Sharmuta

So- because I think the republicans behaved themselves poorly today, that means I support this legislation?

I don't know how anyone could support the Dems POS health care bill.

I was just watching this video of a small group of the Bachmann 'House Call' Tea Partiers questioning Chris Murphy's (D-CT) Chief of Staff (they seem to have posted it to make a point about an Aetna exec being at some event):

I also like the guy who says, "I don't even keep my money in a bank anymore because I don't trust you guys."

I'm still waiting for crazy Michelle to tell us how health care reform will give us FEMA re-education camps, turn our pets into Nazis and take away ALL OUR FREEDOMS!!!1111!!!

Nice stunt Shadegg bringing the grandkid up. I've had my LOL for the hour...I wish Matty had thrown up on him. Still funny and everyone laughed.

March, 27...

“So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaida in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future,” the president said.“That is the goal that must be achieved,” Obama added. “That is a cause that could not be more just. And to the terrorists who oppose us, my message is the same: we will defeat you.”

over seven months ago and he has done exactly nothing while our servicemen die...

re: #184 sngnsgt

I don't know how anyone could support the Dems POS health care bill.

people that voted for and support BO feel obligated to get behind this bill...they cannot admit how bad it is or the dismal quality of leadership coming from congress and the WH

re: #186 webevintage

I'm still waiting for crazy Michelle to tell us how health care reform will give us FEMA re-education camps, turn our pets into Nazis and take away ALL OUR FREEDOMS!!!1111!!!

Nice stunt Shadegg bringing the grandkid up. I've had my LOL for the hour...I wish Matty had thrown up on him. Still funny and everyone laughed.

What the health care reform bill will do is plenty scary without all that stuff!

re: #189 rwdflynavy

What the health care reform bill will do is plenty scary without all that stuff!

Yeah- some folks might get medical treatments. How awful is that?

re: #180 JanglerNPL

The intent of these bills is usually admirable. In most cases, the Patriot Act included, there were already sufficient methods and laws in place to get the job done. Pretty much everything spewed out of Congress for decades now is pure unadulterated gibberish, nothing by fodder for lawyers.

While we sit here and argue about which party looks worse, who is a bigger kook than the next kook, etc., the federal government is about enact an entitlement so far beyond the scope of our founding documents that it's not even viewable by the Hubble Telescope. Forget about the obvious realities that it will massively fail by default on all fronts, that's a given.

I will not play anymore. I will do what I have to do as I see fit and frankly, my fellow panhandling citizens (about 50% of us now) can go screw themselves as I'm going to do everything legally possible to make sure that I do not give them another cent when they stick their filthy little hands in my face. I hope they enjoy their latest free government shit that never materializes as our society continues its slide into fiscal ruin.

Of course, feel free to continue pointing out that Democrat so and so is a real jerkoff and Republican so and so is a scary moron.

re: #190 Sharmuta

Yeah- some folks might get medical treatments. How awful is that?

I'm thinking of the 1.1 Trillion dollar bill.

As I've said before, my family is covered under the Tricare system for the military. I pay a premium to avoid using military medicine for my wife and 3 kids. The "free" healthcare the military provides is too expensive for my family.

re: #192 rwdflynavy

It will be 1.1 trillion, not over ten years, but per year in about half a decade or so. Just watch.

re: #191 borgcube

I will not play anymore. I will do what I have to do as I see fit and frankly, my fellow panhandling citizens (about 50% of us now) can go screw themselves as I'm going to do everything legally possible to make sure that I do not give them another cent when they stick their filthy little hands in my face. I hope they enjoy their latest free government shit that never materializes as our society continues its slide into fiscal ruin.

Is that how you feel about old folks and disabled on Medicare?
You do realize that many of those "panhandling citizens" with "filthy hands" are people who work hard everyday but cannot afford health insurance? Does it mean nothing to you that 40,000 people die each year from a lock of health insurance?
You do know that people who choose to use the option of a public option would pay a premium just like anyone does when they get insurance, that the gov't will subsidize just those who cannot afford it but make too much to get help on medicade?

and the CBO scored this bill as saving money.

re: #191 borgcube

The intent of these bills is usually admirable. In most cases, the Patriot Act included, there were already sufficient methods and laws in place to get the job done. Pretty much everything spewed out of Congress for decades now is pure unadulterated gibberish, nothing by fodder for lawyers.

While we sit here and argue about which party looks worse, who is a bigger kook than the next kook, etc., the federal government is about enact an entitlement so far beyond the scope of our founding documents that it's not even viewable by the Hubble Telescope. Forget about the obvious realities that it will massively fail by default on all fronts, that's a given.

I will not play anymore. I will do what I have to do as I see fit and frankly, my fellow panhandling citizens (about 50% of us now) can go screw themselves as I'm going to do everything legally possible to make sure that I do not give them another cent when they stick their filthy little hands in my face. I hope they enjoy their latest free government shit that never materializes as our society continues its slide into fiscal ruin.

Of course, feel free to continue pointing out that Democrat so and so is a real jerkoff and Republican so and so is a scary moron.

I did it, and what "oddities" there are in my tax situation I payed for and am done with it...it's taken six years but I could not have done it without the help of two family members...I am legally broke and do not have one cent of debt to account for...and best of all the IRS is off my back...I hate those guys

re: #195 webevintage

and the CBO scored this bill as saving money.

[CITATION NEEDED]

re: #195 webevintage

Is that how you feel about old folks and disabled on Medicare?
You do realize that many of those "panhandling citizens" with "filthy hands" are people who work hard everyday but cannot afford health insurance? Does it mean nothing to you that 40,000 people die each year from a lock of health insurance?
You do know that people who choose to use the option of a public option would pay a premium just like anyone does when they get insurance, that the gov't will subsidize just those who cannot afford it but make too much to get help on medicade?

and the CBO scored this bill as saving money.

and the moon is made out of green cheese

re: #187 albusteve

over seven months ago and he has done exactly nothing while our servicemen die...

No massive ramp up in Pakistan drone attacks? No initial Afghanistan troop surge, a near doubling, to be ready for the summer months and then the elections? No pressuring of Pakistani leadership to crack down on the Taliban in Swat Valley and Waziristan?

It's hard to see how Obama's posture here can be seen as doing nothing, instead of as a serious escalation in the AfPak conflict (over where it stood during the previous administration).

re: #198 albusteve

and the moon is made out of green cheese

[Link: cboblog.cbo.gov...]

[Link: www.cbo.gov...]

re: #196 albusteve

...and best of all the IRS is off my back...I hate those guys

You think you hate them now, just wait until they're the ones confirming that you're enrolled in an acceptable health insurance plan.

re: #199 simoom

No massive ramp up in Pakistan drone attacks? No initial Afghanistan troop surge, a near doubling, to be ready for the summer months and then the elections? No pressuring of Pakistani leadership to crack down on the Taliban in Swat Valley and Waziristan?

It's hard to see how Obama's posture here can be seen as doing nothing, instead of as a serious escalation in the AfPak conflict (over where it stood during the previous administration).

the 13000 troops he sent there were requested and approved during the Bush administration...the WaPo story a month or so ago that credited BO was retracted, they were wrong...in March he put 4000 troops over there, but they were not combat units...the stepup in drone attacks is all he's called for...brilliant eh?, tough decision...whatever pressure he put on Pakistan is yet to show it's successes...the situation in Afghanistan has rapidly deteriorated...he needs to shit or get off the pot, not play games with Biden and opinion polls

re: #16 sngnsgt

I'm on Medicare, almost completely guts it. I go on gov't run health care like it or not.

And right now you are are on...?

re: #195 webevintage

Medicare as a failure as well. It has nothing to do with how I feel about old folks for Pete's sake.

Healthcare is so expensive now BECAUSE government got involved in the first place. In fact, Medicare was the biggest culprit that kick-started the skyrocketing costs. The government has caused this mess. By design. The bureaucrats are about to get what they've dreaming about for decades.

More people die from auto accidents. Let's just ban cars. In fact, let's have a bill that does just that. Think of all the lives we could save!

You're simply gullible beyond belief if you believe this healthcare boondoggle entitlement is going to save money. How much in unfunded liabilities do we now have from Medicare alone? Something like 30 trillion? Great, let's expand that excellent track record to the other 7/8 of Americans. Party on!

It's all about freedom for me webevintage, that's all. This bill in every single way denies freedom. Period.

re: #201 Guanxi88

You think you hate them now, just wait until they're the ones confirming that you're enrolled in an acceptable health insurance plan.

I am and get excellent care...six operations in 14 months...16 days in the hospital total...etc

re: #66 Pepper Fox

I think I was the only kid in late elementary school who didn't like wrestling.

My husband used to describe the WWF as his soap opera.

re: #200 webevintage

[Link: cboblog.cbo.gov...]

[Link: www.cbo.gov...]

From the report and the blog posting:

"Those estimates are all subject to substantial uncertainty."

And, though long, here's a nice little bit:

"The bill would put into effect (or leave in effect) a number of procedures that might be difficult to maintain over a long period of time. It would leave in place the 21 percent reduction in the payment rates for physicians currently scheduled for 2010. At the same time, the bill includes a number of provisions that would constrain payment rates for other providers of Medicare services. In particular, increases in payment rates for many providers would be held below the rate of inflation (in expectation of ongoing productivity improvements in the delivery of health care). Based on the extrapolation described above, CBO expects that Medicare spending under the bill would increase at an average annual rate of roughly 6 percent during the next two decades—well below the roughly 8 percent annual growth rate of the past two decades, despite a growing number of Medicare beneficiaries as the baby-boom generation retires. Based on the same extrapolation, Medicare spending per beneficiary under the bill would increase by roughly 4 percent per year, on average, during the next two decades—compared with a 7 percent average growth rate (excluding the effect of establishing Part D) during the past two decades."

re: #205 albusteve

I am and get excellent care...six operations in 14 months...16 days in the hospital total...etc

You managed to get all that without a two thousand page bill, endless harangues from the political leadership, and without having to use the tax code? You're doing better than Congress is right now.

re: #200 webevintage

[Link: cboblog.cbo.gov...]

[Link: www.cbo.gov...]

if you trust the govt to save you money, you are gullible...how's that stimulus working out?...or SS? Medicare/Medicaid? Fanny/Freddie?...this scam is nothing but another unfunded mandate that will cost America the shirt off it's back

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

And right now you are are on...?

it's a secret...if I told you, you'd have to buy me pizza...but you can easily figure it out

re: #208 Guanxi88

You managed to get all that without a two thousand page bill, endless harangues from the political leadership, and without having to use the tax code? You're doing better than Congress is right now.

the govt works for me...millions of people seem to feel otherwise...and it took awhile but I got them to do what I needed them to do for me

re: #209 albusteve

if you trust the govt to save you money, you are gullible..

Then color me gullible.
I want something done and I'm willing to trust that once this bill is passed and it is combined and voted on by the Senate that we will have something that will make sure that Americans no longer die because they do not have insurance, that they no longer have to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills, insurance that is portable, that they no longer wait until they are so sick they have to use the emergency room and that people like my friend do not have to turn to strangers on the internet to raise money to pay for treatment of her breast cancer.

re: #212 webevintage

Then color me gullible.
I want something done and I'm willing to trust that once this bill is passed and it is combined and voted on by the Senate that we will have something that will make sure that Americans no longer die because they do not have insurance, that they no longer have to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills, insurance that is portable, that they no longer wait until they are so sick they have to use the emergency room and that people like my friend do not have to turn to strangers on the internet to raise money to pay for treatment of her breast cancer.

so would I, but this bill is not the way to accomplish that...and don't believe all the statistics that you read...alot of people have alot riding on this bill, so many that their interests come first, not yours

re: #202 albusteve

...he needs to shit or get off the pot, not play games with Biden and opinion polls

I either want us all in with as many people as are needed (do we even have enough people in the military to do that?) to win this and get it over with or leave.

and really I understand this:
"and don't believe all the statistics that you read...alot of people have alot riding on this bill, so many that their interests come first, not yours"

I'm so tired of being a cynical bitch and just want to believe, for once, in a long time, that a bill will pass that actually works for the folks who need it and will help lower costs.

re: #214 webevintage

I either want us all in with as many people as are needed (do we even have enough people in the military to do that?) to win this and get it over with or leave.

and really I understand this:
"and don't believe all the statistics that you read...alot of people have alot riding on this bill, so many that their interests come first, not yours"

I'm so tired of being a cynical bitch and just want to believe, for once, in a long time, that a bill will pass that actually works for the folks who need it and will help lower costs.

well I'm certainly not dissin your attitude...chin up!...I am the epitome of abuse and mistrust by the feds...as for Afghanistan, I feel so strongy about our fighting men that I'm thinking we should throw in the towel...we are getting picked off over there in unacceptable numbers...I want some foreward movement or call for the check

re: #209 albusteve

if you trust the govt to save you money, you are gullible...how's that stimulus working out?...or SS? Medicare/Medicaid? Fanny/Freddie?...this scam is nothing but another unfunded mandate that will cost America the shirt off it's back

People in the UK pay half as much per person as we do for their healthcare, and they have a higher life expectancy than we do. It looks to me like nationalized health care is a far better deal than privatized health care. The government doesn't have to charge extra on its premiums since there is no motivation for profit, the government can buy drugs in bulk for cheaper because its bargaining for the entire country and the government can give poor people preventative care so they wont have to go to the emergency room and cost us a lot of money.

At the minimum, providing the poor an absolutely basic level of preventative care will save us all money. When poor people go to the emergency room, they have no money to pay for expensive surgeries and treatments, so we ultimately pay for them. If we give them preventative care at a subsidized cost, they wont have to go to the emergency room and we wont have to spend money on their treatments.

Man, I'm glad my drinking game for the day does not include the word FREEDOM!!!1111!!! or I would be passed out by now.

Little wonder the GOP panders to the tea partiers - this behavior is just as bad as the TPs' at the townhalls.

I've always thought 'social conservative' is and always has been a contradiction in terms anyway - if the traditional conservative position is for individual rights, less government and to keep government out of our lives, then a conservative should actually come down on the pro-choice side in that it's not the place for government to tell a woman what she can do with her body. Same goes for gay rights.

re: #217 webevintage

I'm starting to think the Dems were wrong to label the Republican Party as the Party of Limbaugh - it's more like the Party of Mel Gibson. Methinks they've all watched Braveheart one too many times.

I'd love to ship every single Republican that cries freedom to N Korea, so they could find out what it really means to be deprived of freedom.

re: #217 webevintage

Man, I'm glad my drinking game for the day does not include the word FREEDOM!!!1111!!! or I would be passed out by now.

Man, if you'd had that game during the Bush era, you would've died from alcohol poisoning by now. :-D

re: #179 albusteve

Another article on the same subject from today:

Obama leaning toward 34,000 more troops for Afghanistan

As it now stands, the administration's plan calls for sending three Army brigades from the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Ky. and the 10th Mountain Division at Fort Drum, N.Y. and a Marine brigade, for a total of as many as 23,000 additional combat and support troops.

Another 7,000 troops would man and support a new division headquarters for the international force's Regional Command (RC) South in Kandahar, the Taliban birthplace where the U.S. is due to take command in 2010. Some 4,000 additional U.S. trainers are likely to be sent as well, the officials said.
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The officials, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss internal administration planning, cautioned that Obama's decision isn't final, and won't be until after administration officials discuss it with the NATO allies at a Nov. 23 meeting of the alliance's North Atlantic Council and its Military Committee.

re: #159 sattv4u2

I already said it turned into a circus, but much of that lays at the feet of what Dingle did at the beginning

Right now, they are standing up one at a time for a minute apiece, 1st a dem, then a repub, then a dem, then a repub, etc etc and at the OUTSET it was stated no objections/ interruptions

Let me see if I can rephrase your point through metaphor. If Dingle hadn't handed out too much rope at the beginning, then the Republicans would not have used it to tie a noose around the neck of their collective dignity. Therefore it is largely Dingle's fault that the Republicans weren't capable of responsibility handling the slack they were (improperly) given. Is that about right?

re: #218 Merryweather

Little wonder the GOP panders to the tea partiers - this behavior is just as bad as the TPs' at the townhalls.

I've always thought 'social conservative' is and always has been a contradiction in terms anyway - if the traditional conservative position is for individual rights, less government and to keep government out of our lives, then a conservative should actually come down on the pro-choice side in that it's not the place for government to tell a woman what she can do with her body. Same goes for gay rights.

You are correct. Getting right down to core principles, Conservatism demands that people be able to make their own decisions and that government stay the hell out of people's personal lives. Goldwater came to the same conclusion, stating unequivocally that adherence to core Conservative principles demanded support for gay rights.

He was also revulsed by the religious right and their intolerance to even the most minute departure from their dogma. Here, the objection was even simpler: what they want is at odds with the nation's Constitution at the most basic level. But he found arguing with them pointless - it was impossible to hold rational discussions with emotional juveniles who fled to faith whenever their brains were challenged.

We desperately need people of Goldwater's caliber. Bill Buckley, too, is sorely missed these days, and his sudden absence is partly responsible for the renewed zeal among the Birchers, in particular, and their hangers-on in general.

Blech. You linked to Think Progress. Their comment section is a fountainhead of bile and vitriol.

I have to admit this is so scandalous. Andrew Jackson would be outraged.

/sarc

Well this is interesting. Forgive if covered elsewhere.

[Link: republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov...]

re: #172 John Neverbend

Quality stuff.

re: #191 borgcube

(snip)
I will not play anymore. I will do what I have to do as I see fit and frankly, my fellow panhandling citizens (about 50% of us now) can go screw themselves as I'm going to (snip)

Would that be welfare mothers or AIG execs?

I love how the liberals/Democrats whine, cry and blabber how the mean old republicans are protesting and calling the president and Democrats names. For eight years, these same people were calling the President of the United States the most vile things. It amazes me that these same people (MSNBC is the obvious leader) could act outraged that it is being directed at President Obama.
The lesson learned is what goes around comes around. If you want your candidate treated with respect and dignity, you need to act with respect and dignity.
For the record I am a registered Libertarian so I like sitting on the sidelines and watching the two sides snipe at each other. As a 3d party observer though, I must say the Democrats are the biggest whiners.

re: #81 Sharmuta

Yes- they are acting like sexist pigs to stand there and object to a Congresswoman supporting more women getting into medical schools. What in the world is objectionable about that?!

I am not completely sure, but I thought this whole thing got started because the debate closure vote was going to fall at the 1pm-2pm time slot. This was the time of the anti-bill protest rally today which would require the members to enter back into the house to vote while the rally was going on.

Unless Charles has some information beyond the link to this video, the sexist comment is unwarranted.

re: #229 jonik

So you are saying that the official legislative chamber behavior, dignity and integrity expressed by elected Party B representatives today is properly preconditioned on the level of behavior, dignity and integrity expressed by Party A sided street-protesters, bloggers, and media supporters in the past? Pardon me if that comes off as a willful kind of false equivalence.

Stay classy GOP, stay classy.

re: #18 sattv4u2

Yeah, that one's gonna work///

re: #8 sngnsgt

I have Epilepsy was recently put on Medicare. Barry-Care is going to screw up the closest thing to health insurance I've had in years.

So let me get this straight, you're upset because the legislation for government run health care will change your government run health care? Why don't you have private insurance?