Wheee!

Suckers all.

Republican Cao from Louisiana voted for this
Hell.

Breaking - budgets of small businesses across America.

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Wheee!

Throw me a strawberry, would ya? I'm on the next vine over.

Hmmm, the senate is the final hurdle.
CALL, WRITE, email as a last resort!

What's that ancient Chinese curse?
"May you live in interesting times."

Yes, well, this is an interesting development...

MichelleBachmanGlennBeckTeaParty!
/Wow, this is working out great

Oh yay! And they already passed cap and trade, too! Why not cram throught card check and make it the shitty tri-fecta?

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Wheee!

So the man is the public and the two tigers Congress and the President?

re: #7 Killgore Trout

MichelleBachmanGlennBeckTeaParty!
/Wow, this is working out great

*whack*

Not sure what Cao was thinking. Must have been in the "History calls" mode of Olympia Snow. I was surprised that one of the blue dogs couldn't have the courage of his or her convictions. Wonder what the bribe was.

If I really knew what were in it I could probably tell you whether I am for it or against it...

re: #11 mcrognale

Not sure what Cao was thinking. Must have been in the "History calls" mode of Olympia Snow. I was surprised that one of the blue dogs couldn't have the courage of his or her convictions. Wonder what the bribe was.

His district voted for over 70% for Obama. He's only there because rep Jefferson was ridiculously corrupt.

re: #9 solomonpanting

Not really. I'm the man, everyone else are tigers and rats.

Those tea parties and chants of "death panels" were just so effective in stopping this...

//

Sounds like New Years Eve on cspan ...

Did I miss Christmas already ?>???

re: #12 Thanos

Umm...doesn't the fact that they're voting on it in the middle of the night on the weekend kind of reek of desperation and urgency in and of itself?

re: #11 mcrognale

Not sure what Cao was thinking. Must have been in the "History calls" mode of Olympia Snow. I was surprised that one of the blue dogs couldn't have the courage of his or her convictions. Wonder what the bribe was.

Campaign donations. My Congresscreep got 63K from Pelosi to change his tune on Cap'n Trade.

re: #12 Thanos

That should be enough for you to make the call, don't you think?

re: #10 Floral Giraffe

*whack*

thank you.
He needed that.

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Wheee!

I will no go have a strawberry milkshake.

I will pay for the milkshake.

Some minuscule amount of fat from that strawberry milkshake will come to be deposited on the lining of my arteries. At some point in the future I will suffer a cardiac event requiring hospitalization and extensive treatment.

It appears from tonight's vote that someone else will pay for my medical care. Probably my yet born grandchildren through their taxes paying down the debts we accumulate today.

But I will drink that strawberry milkshake today.

What is it that prevents this kind of vote from not happening within a few seconds?

Who were the last hangers-on who couldn't make their minds up until they saw where the flock was going, or decide to go the other way?

Hooray for people being forced to support others!

re: #11 mcrognale

Not sure what Cao was thinking. Must have been in the "History calls" mode of Olympia Snow. I was surprised that one of the blue dogs couldn't have the courage of his or her convictions. Wonder what the bribe was.

When I read about Cao before he was elected, on his webpage where he talked about what his positions were, there were some things that had me scratching my head.

I guess I was right to be scratching my head.

nancy certainly has earned her Dog Herder license today

re: #17 Fenway_Nation

Umm...doesn't the fact that they're voting on it in the middle of the night on the weekend kind of reek of desperation and urgency in and of itself?

Nope. It tells me that they want to get it passed, and now have the votes they needed due to the victory conservatives handed them on a platter in NY 23. With that and another seat fill, they actually gained two votes for it.

Well I guess I can cancel my policy now. I mean why pay now when I can sign up when I need it?

one step at a time comrade...slowly but surly

Shocker about Cao -- never heard of the guy. I'm guessing he'll be square in the wingnuts crosshairs tomorrow

re: #21 karmic_inquisitor

I never hear strawberry milkshakes used as a philosophical analogy before.

I have very mixed feelings on this. It's kind of a lose-lose situation where doing nothing hurts and doing something hurts.

Mostly I'm worried about the eugenics glenn beck said was and wasn't coming. ///

Thank you, House, for ruining my children's future lives.

Yes, the health care bill has passed the House. The Senate is the final hurdle.

Biii111iii111iii111iii111iiig M f'n hurdle.

re: #29 kellygrrrl

Shocker about Cao -- never heard of the guy. I'm guessing he'll be square in the wingnuts crosshairs tomorrow

From Louisiana - took William Jefferson's seat.

I thank the "real conservatives" who :

1) stayed home when a sex scandal disgusted them in 2006 thereby handing Nancy Pelosi the speaker's gavel

2) stayed home because they could not bring themselves to vote for RINO John McCain.

How are those principled stances working out for you, assholes?

re: #29 kellygrrrl

Shocker about Cao -- never heard of the guy. I'm guessing he'll be square in the wingnuts crosshairs tomorrow

You bet he will, even though he's representing his district and what he thinks they want.

$1.2 trillion and a few thousand broken small businesses is a small price to pay to ensure that trial lawyers remain free to sue doctors and their insurers into oblivion on a whim. Come on, dedicated physicians or parasitic lawyers...who would YOU side with? For the left, the choice is easy.

wonder if Batshit Bachmann is ready to put her "blood brothers" plan into action -- what was that she said about cutting of wrists?

re: #31 Sharmuta

I have very mixed feelings on this. It's kind of a lose-lose situation where doing nothing hurts and doing something hurts.

Mostly I'm worried about the eugenics glenn beck said was and wasn't coming. ///

the Camp will straighten it all out for you...be patient

I read something the other day that said they are counting on fines for not getting health care to pay for a portion of the government heath care.

Victory for leeches of society everywhere

re: #35 karmic_inquisitor

Cue Mandy.

re: #35 karmic_inquisitor

How about those of us who stayed home because of Palin?
/I'm concerned, yet hopeful (just in case you're wondering)

Don't worry, Obama promised not to sign it if it even added 10 cents to the deficit.
/?

re: #31 Sharmuta

I have very mixed feelings on this. It's kind of a lose-lose situation where doing nothing hurts and doing something hurts.

Mostly I'm worried about the eugenics glenn beck said was and wasn't coming. ///

LMFAO! *dies*

re: #27 redshirt

Well I guess I can cancel my policy now. I mean why pay now when I can sign up when I need it?

You Red Shirts don't need health insurance. Your big injury always kills you but spares Capt. Kirk.

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Biii111iii111iii111iii111iiig M f'n hurdle.

It'll pass. It passed the House. Everyone is all in when it comes to screwing the "commoners."

re: #25 kellygrrrl

More like herding cats.

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

You Red Shirts don't need health insurance. Your big injury always kills you but spares Capt. Kirk.

Yeah, we have early retirement.

To me, the scariest part is the pricing, that I have seen quoted.
I currently buy, as an individual, $300 a month health insurance.
That's $3600 a year.
It's basic, and catastrophic oriented.
IF, the numbers I have seen thrown around, are that this healthcare bill will cost $15,000 a year.

I am just afraid.

Very afraid.

Not what you would call a bi-partisan effort all republicans voted nay except for one and the vote only past by 5 votes.

Now things are really going to heat up when it gets to the senate.

re: #38 kellygrrrl

wonder if Batshit Bachmann is ready to put her "blood brothers" plan into action -- what was that she said about cutting of wrists?

We're doin' fer America!

re: #44 redshirt

Don't worry, Obama promised not to sign it if it even added 10 cents to the deficit.

But 11 cents and up? That's cool.

If the senate passes this, say good by to America,

re: #44 redshirt

Don't worry, Obama promised not to sign it if it even added 10 cents to the deficit.
/?

This bill will cost a little bit more than a dime.

CBO: New House Health Bill Spending Estimate, $3 Trillion over 10 Years

re: #23 cliffster

Hooray for people being forced to support others!

Those people have absolutely no way to provide for themselves. Obviously. Or they would have done it by now. They are completely without skills, and therefore are unemployable. They are utterly hopeless and know this and have no desire to move forward in their lives. They have absolutely no opportunities to advance in this life. This is why others, we, have to support them. Because of their inevitable, sad state.

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cue Mandy.

She isn't here, but I'll say it:

I hope that everyone who refused to vote for John McCain because he wasn't conservative enough is fucking happy now!

America will never be the same. I am justifiably saddened.

re: #51 lrsshadow

Not what you would call a bi-partisan effort all republicans voted nay except for one and the vote only past by 5 votes.

Someone on ABC is already calling it bipartisan because of that one R. yea vote. Seems like the opposition was way more bipartisan than that.

I just did my benefits renewal at work, 300 bucks more per year for slightly poorer plan. {more copay, etc.)

re: #34 reine.de.tout

From Louisiana - took William Jefferson's seat.

You can take the politician out of Louisiana, but you can't take the Louisiana out of the politician.

re: #23 cliffster

Hooray for people being forced to support others!

Uh- we already are forced to support others... Social Security, Medicare, etc.

FUCK this shit.

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

OMG! RedState? They're really honest! We're fucked! IhateObamaSocialistFascism-dot-Com made a graph showing that we're all going to FEMA Camps! Iyeee!

re: #56 bosforus

Well, you support them then. By choice.

re: #50 Floral Giraffe

And if you don't pay you go to jail.

re: #27 redshirt

Look at it this way. Those of us who pay for our own healthcare will probably get even better treatment as multitudes of providers will tell all of the freeloaders to go elsewhere as they will not participate in this bureaucratic monstrosity. The upcoming lawsuits should tie this thing up for years anyway. As always, the lawyers are the ones who really win here.

It's going to be a fun week on the wingnut blogs.

Does this mean that Karl Marx is back in vogue? commies, and all that? and just in time for the 20th anniversary of the Fall of the Berlin Wall? yah, OK, comrades!

re: #64 Killgore Trout

OMG! RedState? They're really honest! We're fucked! IhateObamaSocialistFascism-dot-Com made a graph showing that we're all going to FEMA Camps! Iyeee!

I'm due at FEMA camp Delta 3 for punishment.

re: #64 Killgore Trout

OMG! RedState? They're really honest! We're fucked! IhateObamaSocialistFascism-dot-Com made a graph showing that we're all going to FEMA Camps! Iyeee!

You need another
*whack*

re: #54 Ziggy

re: #58 rhythman

Put down the straight razors. If it's a screwup, we'll fix it. We always do.

re: #54 Ziggy

If the senate passes this, say good by to America,

Smart money says that the Senate will pass it, but tone it down to where it's not "medpocalypse now"

re: #64 Killgore Trout

OMG! RedState? They're really honest! We're fucked! IhateObamaSocialistFascism-dot-Com made a graph showing that we're all going to FEMA Camps! Iyeee!

This coming from someone who regularly posts links to DKos & HuffPo.

re: #65 cliffster

Well, you support them then. By choice.

I'd rather not.
(sarc tag intended on my previous post)

re: #50 Floral Giraffe

To me, the scariest part is the pricing, that I have seen quoted.
I currently buy, as an individual, $300 a month health insurance.
That's $3600 a year.
It's basic, and catastrophic oriented.
IF, the numbers I have seen thrown around, are that this healthcare bill will cost $15,000 a year.

I am just afraid.

Very afraid.

Do I get to add elective/cosmetic surgery for that price?
Maybe some on SanFranNans botox?
Liposuction?
Boobjob?
Sheesh!
The options for $12,000 a year could just go on & on & on!

I really can't believe this is happening.

How long does it usually take for the roll call to be posted?

re: #71 reine.de.tout

I'm pissing up a rope just in case Mandy gets here.

re: #50 Floral Giraffe

To me, the scariest part is the pricing, that I have seen quoted.
I currently buy, as an individual, $300 a month health insurance.
That's $3600 a year.
It's basic, and catastrophic oriented.
IF, the numbers I have seen thrown around, are that this healthcare bill will cost $15,000 a year.

I am just afraid.

Very afraid.

I am too.

Afraid that the Republican party is in its death throes as evidenced by its complete inability to offer anything substantive during the process to reform health care in America.

Honestly, I don't think this is gonna happen.

CAKE IN THE SKY DUDE THAT I AM? I just don't think this'll happen.

(*fingers in ears...mmmMMMmmmMMMmmmMMM*)

re: #72 Decatur Deb

re: #58 rhythman

Put down the straight razors. If it's a screwup, we'll fix it. We always do.

There's no turning back from this type of healthcare system.

re: #73 Thanos

Then is it medpocaplyse later?

re: #74 NJDhockeyfan

Bipartisan fascism!

Is there room on the Escape Rocket? Oh shit, the GOVERNMENT owns that rocket!

39 times the amount of democrats voted nay as republicans who voted yah. wow.

re: #23 cliffster

Hooray for people being forced to support others!

This vote aside, that is a pretty crass comment (your sarc understood) .

Either we, as a people, support each other or we don't. You sound like you support everyman for themselves, which amounts to tribalism of the kind we otherwise pretend to disdain, given that all you say is screw anyone that doesn't have your benefits.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Bipartisan fascism!

LOL

re: #74 NJDhockeyfan

And Media matters.

re: #72 Decatur Deb

re: #58 rhythman

Put down the straight razors. If it's a screwup, we'll fix it. We always do.

The closest thing to eternal life on Earth is a government program. If passed, we're stuck with it.

People are stupid, they like their free stuff. And if anyone tries to take away the free stuff, they get angry.

re: #68 Killgore Trout

I hope you have a good time!

re: #75 bosforus

I'd rather not.
(sarc tag intended on my previous post)

Ah, well good then.

re: #41 cliffster

Victory for leeches of society everywhere

You really are an asshole tonight.

re: #90 Athens Runaway

The closest thing to eternal life on Earth is a government program. If passed, we're stuck with it.

People are stupid, they like their free stuff. And if anyone tries to take away the free stuff, they get angry.

Didn't Cali kill off welfare? Or did that not go through? I didn't hear much on that.

re: #71 reine.de.tout

You need another
*whack*

HIT HIM HARDER!
( I think he likes it!)
LOL!

re: #80 dugmartsch

I am too.

Afraid that the Republican party is in its death throes as evidenced by its complete inability to offer anything substantive during the process to reform health care in America.

Cuz they didn't offer up a viable alternative or anything...

//

re: #83 Dan G.

Then is it medpocaplyse later?

The way the plan's set up now, yes.

re: #68 Killgore Trout

It's going to be a fun week on the wingnut blogs.

Enjoy yourself. While you go around scouring for nonsense, normal people will be pissed off about what just happened.

re: #64 Killgore Trout

SMACK!

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Bipartisan fascism!

have your fun now Killgore...and kiss your Golden Boy on the way out the door...you are in it like the rest of us...there is life beyond the internet, and you are in for a rude awakening

re: #85 seamonkey

Is there room on the Escape Rocket? Oh shit, the GOVERNMENT owns that rocket!

There was a fuckin' bear in my seat.

re: #56 bosforus

Those people have absolutely no way to provide for themselves. Obviously. Or they would have done it by now. They are completely without skills, and therefore are unemployable. They are utterly hopeless and know this and have no desire to move forward in their lives. They have absolutely no opportunities to advance in this life. This is why others, we, have to support them. Because of their inevitable, sad state.

Some people just don't it that way. I do. To assume everyone that needs help is lazy is simply incorrect. People need help, we are a rich country and we should help.

Before I get lots of people telling me that the private industry can help better than the government, my subjective view of history and the basic principle of a for profit business leaves me skeptical.

re: #97 Thanos

I'm curious as to how this is going to affect med school applications and recruiting.

re: #98 TheMatrix31

Enjoy yourself. While you go around scouring for nonsense, normal people will be pissed off about what just happened.

Didn't you get the memo? Only buttnurt nirther wingnuts are opposed to this...///

Breaking news: Cellphone footage just taken out my window...

re: #98 TheMatrix31

Enjoy yourself. While you go around scouring for nonsense, normal people will be pissed off about what just happened.

Especially when you are threatened with pay of the pokey.

OK, I demand a 100% tax on McDonalds and all other fattening and unhealthy foods right now. An extra tax on the morbidly obese as well. If I am paying your health care, I can tell you how to be healthy.

re: #98 TheMatrix31

Enjoy yourself. While you go around scouring for nonsense, normal people will be pissed off about what just happened.

And you and I need to get busy making sure the Seante sends this bill from Capital Hill to Boot Hill.

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Breaking news: Cellphone footage just taken out my window...

[Video]

Oh shi-

I can't believe no one's posted "I OBJECT" yet.

re: #110 Sharmuta

I can't believe no one's posted "I OBJECT" yet.

I object to that

re: #110 Sharmuta

You just did.

re: #110 Sharmuta

I can't believe no one's posted "I OBJECT" yet.

I object to your disbelief!

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Do me a favor Killgore: Stuff a sock in it!

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Not cool.

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

And you and I need to get busy making sure the Senate sends this bill from Capital Hill to Boot Hill.

PIMF

re: #93 Naso Tang

You really are an asshole tonight.

Maybe. But that's me talking. Not me asking that other people be forced to pay my way in life.

re: #107 redshirt

Kiss my ass! WOO HOO!

Whoa. Double post. Sorry.

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I don't think I own socks. I'm not big on pants or shoes either.

All this angst and big picture stuff!
I'm watching for a personal reason too. The reality on the ground in this game will matter under my roof. My wife is a juvenile rheumatoid arthritis patient. A childhood illness gets you a lifetime of pre existing condition status. Unemployed. She needs coverage and does not trust this bill to get it done, at all. Not sure, time will provide the reality. I'll be reporting back as we see it. Oh first report- No H1N1 vaccine for her yet.

Not a great omen there...

re: #107 redshirt

OK, I demand a 100% tax on McDonalds and all other fattening and unhealthy foods right now. An extra tax on the morbidly obese as well. If I am paying your health care, I can tell you how to be healthy.

That angry soccer mom in the "no tax on juice drinks and sodas" commercial will have something to say about that!

re: #120 Killgore Trout

I don't think I own socks. I'm not big on pants or shoes either.

I thought "pants" was a verb.

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kiss my ass! WOO HOO!

Your ass better fit into size 34 pants or I'm ordering an audit of your pantry.

re: #107 redshirt

Oh, why comrade, we but need to also impose stringent taxation upon the capitalist smokers, the beer drinkers, the profit mongers, the consumers of all that is wont to give (shall we say?) pleasure! Ai, tax, tax, tax, and, and, perhaps a little will be left over for the -- ah -- enforcers?

re: #98 TheMatrix31

I'm not sure "normal" people is the appropriate word. Let's just say that the people who actually pay any real taxes (fewer and fewer of us) are going to be just a wee bit upset.

re: #123 Sharmuta

I thought "pants" was a verb.

No, pork is a verb. I'm pretty sure "pants" are fiction.

cash rules...I pity the people that are bogged down with debt, their investments on paper, no where to go and no where to hide...you are at the mercy of the feds and they will eat you for lunch...sorry folks, I feel for you

Just because assholes, freaks, goons and nuts oppose Obamacare doesn't create a compelling reason to support it.

There are assholes, goons freaks and nuts who supported it too.

Bad policy is bad policy.

At some point America will actually have to set about figuring out how to create a hyperproductive economy that will pay for all this shit. A "Facebook Economy" of slackers bitching about why no one has given them the job they want so they run a cyber cafe instead ain't gonna do it.

re: #105 Killgore Trout

B&W? You need a new phone.

re: #121 Rightwingconspirator

Oh. And so sorry about the pain meds.
/
(Sorrow sarcasm ding)

I'm truly sorry about her condition.

re: #120 Killgore Trout

I don't think I own socks. I'm not big on pants or shoes either.

You have at least one sock.

re: #127 Killgore Trout

No, pork is a verb. I'm pretty sure "pants" are fiction.

Welcome to my LMAO favorites.

re: #107 redshirt

OK, I demand a 100% tax on McDonalds and all other fattening and unhealthy foods right now. An extra tax on the morbidly obese as well. If I am paying your health care, I can tell you how to be healthy.

Hey cool why don't I start a new business while I'm at it, when your house is burning down, I'll buy it from you for 10% of market price, then sell it back to you for 100% of market price! It's 100% non-gov't controled!

///

re: #132 reine.de.tout

You have at least one sock.

Yeah- but it stinks.

re: #123 Sharmuta

I thought "pants" was a verb.

Only if you met me.

(rawr)

re: #67 borgcube

Look at it this way. Those of us who pay for our own healthcare will probably get even better treatment as multitudes of providers will tell all of the freeloaders to go elsewhere as they will not participate in this bureaucratic monstrosity. The upcoming lawsuits should tie this thing up for years anyway. As always, the lawyers are the ones who really win here.

The federal commissioners in the bill will make the decisions as to what care is covered and what insurance is legal. The commissioners will also have the ability to shut down health care providers if they don't take the insurance approved by the government. If this gets through the Senate we will all be subject to the whims of unelected commissioners in the federal government.

re: #120 Killgore Trout

I don't think I own socks. I'm not big on pants or shoes either.

TMI!!!

re: #126 borgcube

A smidge?

re: #27 redshirt

Well I guess I can cancel my policy now. I mean why pay now when I can sign up when I need it?

Read this.

• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

re: #125 J.S.

Oh, why comrade, we but need to also impose stringent taxation upon the capitalist smokers, the beer drinkers, the profit mongers, the consumers of all that is wont to give (shall we say?) pleasure! Ai, tax, tax, tax, and, and, perhaps a little will be left over for the -- ah -- enforcers?

Why not, if this passes, we have decided to give the government power to do pretty much whatever they want. So much for the limitation of powers.

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Breaking news: Cellphone footage just taken out my window...

[Video]

Sorry, that many horses is just not credible.
/

what are the odds Harry Reid's spinal infusion has taken hold?

Eh, I don't have a whole lot of trust for government programs - that said I have even less trust for industry & none for insurance vampires.

I'll be more interested in seeing what comes out of the conference committee.

William

re: #128 albusteve

cash rules...I pity the people that are bogged down with debt, their investments on paper, no where to go and no where to hide...you are at the mercy of the feds and they will eat you for lunch...sorry folks, I feel for you

I blew ever cent I ever made.

SUCK ON THAT AMERICA!

/

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks friend. That little poll I tried there was just about a tie. This will be a hot running topic tonight. Folks are pissed.

Democrats just love spending our money.

Democrats use grim unemployment numbers to call for more spending

Democrats seized on Friday's report that the nation's unemployment rate has reached a 26-year high of 10.2 percent to call for further tax and spending measures to bolster the economy.

House Appropriations Committee Chairman Rep. David Obey (D-Wis.) said the unemployment news was confirmation that February's $787 billion fiscal stimulus was not big enough.

We're broke so lets spend more money! Weee!!!

re: #143 kellygrrrl

what are the odds Harry Reid's spinal infusion has taken hold?

Just in time for him to get run out of the Senate in 12 months.

The CBO says that the interest payments on our debt will go from $170 Billion in 2009 to $799 Billion in 2019, whats to worry about?

///

re: #141 redshirt

Yes, Yes, and Just in Time for the Fall of the Berlin Wall, 20 years hence! (ah, the irony of reversals...)

re: #134 Pepper Fox

Hey cool why don't I start a new business while I'm at it, when your house is burning down, I'll buy it from you for 10% of market price, then sell it back to you for 100% of market price! It's 100% non-gov't controled!

///

Why don't I cancel my insurance, then call my agent and reinstate when my house is on fire.

Roll call.

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

Democrats just love spending our money.

Democrats use grim unemployment numbers to call for more spending

We're broke so lets spend more money! Weee!!!

I assume by your tone you are ok with the amount of your money Republicans spend?

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I blew ever cent I ever made.

SUCK ON THAT AMERICA!

/

your're fucked...simple as that...I hope you have a job and work real hard

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

Democrats just love spending our money.

Democrats use grim unemployment numbers to call for more spending

We're broke so lets spend more money! Weee!!!

Because we all know the Republicans were no different.
/Both parties are full of shit.

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

Good thing we have that stimulus that passed earlier- otherwise unemployment would be above 10% by now...

/wait...what?

re: #153 Existential_Donuts

I assume by your tone you are ok with the amount of your money Republicans spend?

No I am not. Why do you ask?

re: #117 cliffster

Maybe. But that's me talking. Not me asking that other people be forced to pay my way in life.

Give me a break. I don't know whether this bill is sensibly structured or not, but I do know that what we have is bullshit with nothing but loopholes for profit at someone's expense.

You already pay for other' peoples way in life and so do I, and I know plenty, personally, that I would object to doing that for.

But your comments, tonight, suggest that you don't see yourself as living in a society that has to deal with the good and the bad; you are just another "not in my neighborhood" tribalist.

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I blew ever cent I ever made.

SUCK ON THAT AMERICA!

/

(oh, and then some!)
hee hee!

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fair enough FBV, a smidge it is. Not that this describes your contributions to the tax base however I'm sure!

re: #156 Fenway_Nation

Good thing we have that stimulus that passed earlier- otherwise unemployment would be above 10% by now...

/wait...what?

Without the stimulus it unemployment would have been at like, 20%.
/

re: #140 solomonpanting

My name Jose Jiminez!

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

Democrats just love spending our money.

Democrats use grim unemployment numbers to call for more spending

We're broke so lets spend more money! Weee!!!

That is so stupid. The insanity coming out of Congress is greater than that produced by Glen Beck!

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Breaking news: Cellphone footage just taken out my window...

[Video]

Heh. "Montagues and Capulets" from Romeo and Juliet.

Ironically apropos, Kilgore.

re: #158 Naso Tang

Give me a break. I don't know whether this bill is sensibly structured or not, but I do know that what we have is bullshit with nothing but loopholes for profit at someone's expense.

You already pay for other' peoples way in life and so do I, and I know plenty, personally, that I would object to doing that for.

But your comments, tonight, suggest that you don't see yourself as living in a society that has to deal with the good and the bad; you are just another "not in my neighborhood" tribalist.

I don't need DC to tell me to do good for my fellow Man. I do it on my own. What about you?

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Breaking news: Cellphone footage just taken out my window...

[Video]

dude you really should get an I Pod your cell phone camera is all grainy and only in black and white.

re: #160 borgcube

Fair enough FBV, a smidge it is. Not that this describes your contributions to the tax base however I'm sure!

Well, a smidge more than a smidge.

Redstate.com has crashed. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

No small feat.

re: #152 The Sanity Inspector

May we all remember this list like we remember how they voted on Iraq.

re: #27 redshirt

Well I guess I can cancel my policy now. I mean why pay now when I can sign up when I need it?

I don't know why you would say that. The whole point of the individual mandate is to get people into the system before they need care.

re: #140 solomonpanting

yah and it is up to the IRS to confirm you have applicable healthcare. Just who I want involved in my health care... the IRS... oh man

This could be a blessing in disguise for the Repubs. This bill was crammed down the throats of the House without enough time to pick it apart. There will be plenty of time to pick it apart between now and when the Senate votes on their version. We'll be able to run against a socialist bill that barely had enough Dems to support it instead of a likely more moderate version that would come out of the Senate.

Good old Pelosi--she's great at passing things that never make it through the Senate.

re: #171 JustMyView

I don't know why you would say that. The whole point of the individual mandate is to get people into the system before they need care.

Stop making sense. People here are upset about the money, the details of the actual plan seem not to matter at all.

re: #161 bosforus

Reagan and Clinton probably saved or created one quadzilliongabillion jobs using Obama's metrics.

re: #174 Existential_Donuts

Stop making sense. People here are upset about the money, the details of the actual plan seem not to matter at all.

Apparently they didn't to the plans authors...so why start now?

re: #173 BryanS

This could be a blessing in disguise for the Repubs. This bill was crammed down the throats of the House without enough time to pick it apart. There will be plenty of time to pick it apart between now and when the Senate votes on their version. We'll be able to run against a socialist bill that barely had enough Dems to support it instead of a likely more moderate version that would come out of the Senate.

Good old Pelosi--she's great at passing things that never make it through the Senate.

She's a command-and-control big-government liberal. The phrase "real compromise" is not in her vocabulary.

Next up:
Stim II, Immigration Reform, Cap and Trade

All I know is...I hope this ensures that my sister won't be denied her 18 months of chemo treatments.

re: #178 Thanos

I think you're missing a bailout or nationalization in that list.

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

She's a command-and-control big-government liberal. The phrase "real compromise" is not in her vocabulary.

This is compromise. If there were no compromise this would be a single payer bill.

re: #29 kellygrrrl

Shocker about Cao -- never heard of the guy. I'm guessing he'll be square in the wingnuts crosshairs tomorrow

Young man, IIRC, first Vietnamese-American congressman. Has two small daughters, who are cute as can be.

re: #12 Thanos

If I really knew what were in it I could probably tell you whether I am for it or against it...

It probably doesn't matter what it says; in actual practice it will expand like a gas to fill every nook & cranny it can get into.

re: #178 Thanos

Next up:
Stim II, Immigration Reform, Cap and Trade

what a fun guy...it's incremental, like a small leak

re: #174 Existential_Donuts

Stop making sense. People here are upset about the money, the details of the actual plan seem not to matter at all.

What are the details? Did you read the 1990 pages? Did anyone who actually voted? It should have been out for weeks for people to study and comment on. I can guarantee that it is full of shit that you wouldn't even believe.
And yes, I am worried about the money. all 1.8 trillion of it. And the huge increase in my premium that is coming, ans well as my taxes, and the deficit.

re: #179 beekiller

All I know is...I hope this ensures that my sister won't be denied her 18 months of chemo treatments.

All the best hopes for your sister winning her battle, but that could have happened without the government taking over health care.

re: #155 Varek Raith

Because we all know the Republicans were no different.
/Both parties are full of shit.

Difference being is that we'd be inundated with denunciations of the Republicans' heartlessness for not breaking the bank soon enough.

re: #178 Thanos

Next up:
Stim II, Immigration Reform, Cap and Trade

And if all of those are passed into law, I'm going to walk in front of a train, since the country I grew up in will be no more.

re: #181 recusancy

This is compromise. If there were no compromise this would be a single payer bill.

Good point. The bill is getting hammered by the far left.

re: #178 Thanos

I have this lingering warm feeling in my stomach at that thought.

Oh wait...that's my lunch trying to find it's way back up.

re: #181 recusancy

This is compromise. If there were no compromise this would be a single payer bill.

A compromise of sorts, I suppose. It was a compromise between the far left and the moderate left.

re: #78 McJenny50

How long does it usually take for the roll call to be posted?

It's up now. Check upthread.

re: #179 beekiller

All I know is...I hope this ensures that my sister won't be denied her 18 months of chemo treatments.

Perhaps she'll be eligible within 18 months.
(Sorry to hear she's ill.)

re: #184 albusteve

what a fun guy...it's incremental, like a small leak

Or like a very large SBD.

re: #173 BryanS

This bill was crammed down the throats of the House without enough time to pick it apart.

The basic structure of this bill has been known for months. Various cut-offs, subsidy levels, and such have been modified, but there is little that anyone who has been paying attention wouldn't have known a long time ago.

'The Senate is the final hurdle hurl '.
FTFY///

re: #191 BryanS

A compromise of sorts, I suppose. It was a compromise between the far left and the moderate left.

Well... Someone has to compromise because there's no moderate right at the moment.

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

And if all of those are passed into law, I'm going to walk in front of a train, since the country I grew up in will be no more.

Which is why the Republicans should have tackled the latter two while they had control. Now we get the Dem crafted solutions because the nativists revolted in our party.

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

She's a command-and-control big-government liberal. The phrase "real compromise" is not in her vocabulary.

She's actually very good at compromise - compromising my childrens' future

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

And if all of those are passed into law, I'm going to walk in front of a train, since the country I grew up in will be no more.

Oh, come on, DF. Don't make us live without you.

re: #165 cliffster

I don't need DC to tell me to do good for my fellow Man. I do it on my own. What about you?

What, you want a competition on who donated the most turkeys for the poor at thanksgiving, or clothes to the Salvation Army (with tax deductible receipts)? Who paid the most taxes? What?

Your words suggest you resent having a system that helps other citizens. We have had such systems for years. Do you object to being forced to pay unemployment insurance, disability insurance, social security insurance, road tax, car insurance, taxes and more?

Health insurance is the biggest remaining hole in the principle, and while I can accept that one system or another may have flaws, your attitude of absolute rejection on some principle that ignores what you already do on the same principle...well it irritates me because you are not contributing to the argument.

Go drink some tea .

It'll be interesting to see how the stock market reacts on Monday. My guess is that it will be driven lower on the news.

I would be less opposed to these "health care reforms" if our elected leaders were participating in the new plans. Kind of like the citizens?
So, if Nancy Pelosi, and Barbara Boxer have the same public health care plan, that I, as a citizen of California have, I MIGHT buy into this.

re: #181 recusancy

This is compromise. If there were no compromise this would be a single payer bill.

Compromise? Amending hasn't even started. The foot is in the door.

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

And if all of those are passed into law, I'm going to walk in front of a train, since the country I grew up in will be no more.

nice...c'ya

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Don't give up just yet.

If this thing gets past it is going to destroy health care, because it completely eliminates any direct finical responsibility from the participants. Once that becomes a problem then it will be in the public's interest to dictate a healthy life style and there goes our freedom. I also heard that there was a 5 cent a can tax on soda.

All health insurance is collectivism regardless of who pays the premium.

re: #203 Floral Giraffe

I would be less opposed to these "health care reforms" if our elected leaders were participating in the new plans. Kind of like the citizens?
So, if Nancy Pelosi, and Barbara Boxer have the same public health care plan, that I, as a citizen of California have, I MIGHT buy into this.

You will have the same options they have. That's part of the plan.

The irony of them doing this two days before the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall is so thick that one could probably swim through it.

I wanna know who the FUCK voted for this SHIT.

I have to say this...

My father in law's name is Don.

Don? I am so sorry you are even alive to watch this...

You have gone you entire life (born in the Oklahoma dustbowl years...) learned how to do without. Served to protect our country. Worked diligently to make sure that, while your family did not "suffer"; you did everything in your power to scrimp and save ever nickel you could to take care of your family...

...to see this new America.

I am sorry. I love you with all of my heart. And, I am really not sorry you are alive.

Despite all my annoying comments, my point is this; The wingnut/Tea Party rhetoric about "death panels" and the "crown jewel of socialism" watered down the criticism of the Dem's healthcare reform efforts. Reality based criticism would have been much more effective. The best team won. Being more insane isn't going to solve your problems. Get smart, stay realistic.

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Please don't!
You can have a sleepy place at my house.
We NEED you.
(Teddy Bears are extra...)

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

And if all of those are passed into law, I'm going to walk in front of a train, since the country I grew up in will be no more.

Whoa, DF. Deep breaths.

Joining the rest of Western Civilization on health care doesn't mean the end of the American Experiment. This country was based on the Social Contract. An expansion of that concept isn't necessarily the end of us.

re: #197 recusancy

Well... Someone has to compromise because there's no moderate right at the moment.

Perhaps, but the starting point was so far left, there never was any chance for any moderate right politicians to compromise.

re: #200 bosforus

Oh, come on, DF. Don't make us live without you.

hahaha!...in ten years it will be prohibitive to sit here and talk...but you will get by somehow

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Being more insane isn't going to solve your problems. Get smart, stay realistic.

Repeated for emphasis.

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

ACK! comrade, comrade, lighten up! -- all is not lost! Just think, you cam come to Canada when all else seems lost! ! !

re: #204 redshirt

Yes! Exactly.
Like the 24 hour rule on say Balloon Boy or the Ft Hood shootings. We have not seen anything real yet. It's all partisan vapors.

re: #185 redshirt

What are the details? Did you read the 1990 pages? Did anyone who actually voted? It should have been out for weeks for people to study and comment on. I can guarantee that it is full of shit that you wouldn't even believe.
And yes, I am worried about the money. all 1.8 trillion of it. And the huge increase in my premium that is coming, ans well as my taxes, and the deficit.

I don't have a fundamental distrust of the US government, and since my ideological views are represented by the majority, I am fine not reading the bill. I guess that makes me lazy.

I am not naive enough to think a complicated issue like health care can be summed up in a few pages, I would be much more dubious of a small bill.

I am not worried about the money, taxes to help people are good. Did I miss anything?

re: #174 Existential_Donuts

As if you understand the bill whatsoever. No one does. That's enough for me to know that it's even worse than imagined. All you care about is that you now expect your neighbors to pay for your healthcare. Right? That's the bottom line for anyone who really believes in this thing if they fessed up.

re: #209 recusancy

That is not true.
Elected "leaders" have their own, different health care plan.
Oh, and it's better than what they are proposing for "us".

Help us Glenn Beck. You're our only hope...

/sarcasm

re: #195 JustMyView

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re: #201 Naso Tang

I see you disagree with me. I was not an asshole to you, as you are being to me. Recall who called who an asshole.

re: #216 BryanS

Perhaps, but the starting point was so far left, there never was any chance for any moderate right politicians to compromise.

The starting point was the compromise position. That's how dems work.

re: #183 The Sanity Inspector

It probably doesn't matter what it says; in actual practice it will expand like a gas to fill every nook & cranny it can get into.

Yep.
Once the camels nose gets into the tent there is no keeping the rest of him out. That is what is going to happen here as tinker and "fix" things over the coming years. This is going to grow and grow until everyone is on governmentcare, how else can they afford to keep supporting medicare? Put everyone on it and while also reducing what it provides, that seems to be the ultimate goal for "healthcare reform."

re: #195 JustMyView

The basic structure of this bill has been known for months. Various cut-offs, subsidy levels, and such have been modified, but there is little that anyone who has been paying attention wouldn't have known a long time ago.

The basic form, yes. But 2000 pages tends to get a lot of crap thrown into it--a couple hundred of it slapped on in the last minute around midnight the day before the vote.

The mandate forbidding states/punishing them fr daring to cap damages on medical lawsuits was not known until recently.

re: #211 TheMatrix31

See #131

re: #203 Floral Giraffe

I would be less opposed to these "health care reforms" if our elected leaders were participating in the new plans. Kind of like the citizens?
So, if Nancy Pelosi, and Barbara Boxer have the same public health care plan, that I, as a citizen of California have, I MIGHT buy into this.

They are. Congress Critters choose from the same plans that other Federal employees do.

While they're fixing health, how about seeing to the nation's? How the hell was the the UK Telegraph able to know that the Ft Hood shooter hung out with radicals like the 9-11 terrorists but the US army was oblivious...
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

re: #193 solomonpanting

Perhaps she'll be eligible within 18 months.
(Sorry to hear she's ill.)

She actually has good insurance but is afraid they'll drop her since she isn't able to go back to work. They've already started denying some things but have paid for one chemo treatment.

Thank you.

re: #207 lrsshadow

If this thing gets past it is going to destroy health care, because it completely eliminates any direct finical responsibility from the participants. Once that becomes a problem then it will be in the public's interest to dictate a healthy life style and there goes our freedom. I also heard that there was a 5 cent a can tax on soda.

If only.
I'd love for tax on soda just to piss off that lady in those stupid "OMG my family will starve if we tax a can of soda" commercials.

I'm wondering how this will eliminate any direct fiscal responsibility from the participants since a large amount of those who chose the option of the public option health insurance will be paying premiums.

re: #231 austin_blue

Are they being forced into the "public option" or do they get to keep their current health care plan...

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Get smart, stay realistic.

The potential hurt from the realistic implications of this bill is really gonna smart.

re: #67 borgcube

Look at it this way. Those of us who pay for our own healthcare will probably get even better treatment as multitudes of providers will tell all of the freeloaders to go elsewhere as they will not participate in this bureaucratic monstrosity. The upcoming lawsuits should tie this thing up for years anyway. As always, the lawyers are the ones who really win here.

DudeDudeDude, keep up, please! Health care is now a basic civil right. Things will swiftly evolve to the point where if a doctor refuses the charity cases, s/he will be sued on civil rights charges. How can you and your measly $300 per year co-insurance payment help the doctor make good on that?

re: #207 lrsshadow

Once that becomes a problem then it will be in the public's interest to dictate a healthy life style and there goes our freedom.

How do you think they will dictate a healthy lifestyle?

re: #226 cliffster

I see you disagree with me. I was not an asshole to you, as you are being to me. Recall who called who an asshole.

Your comment that I commented on was emotive and nothing else, but I apologize for my similar expression of emotion, notwithstanding that you haven't answered what I said.

Peace.

re: #221 Existential_Donuts

I don't have a fundamental distrust of the US government, and since my ideological views are represented by the majority, I am fine not reading the bill. I guess that makes me lazy.

I am not naive enough to think a complicated issue like health care can be summed up in a few pages, I would be much more dubious of a small bill.

I am not worried about the money, taxes to help people are good. Did I miss anything?

So you don't mind being lied to? We were promised that this would be deficit neutral, and Obama promised my taxes wouldn't go up one cent ( I am well below the 250K threshold).
But I am happy that you are willing to pay more in taxes. Good for you.

re: #211 TheMatrix31

You'll know, all right. And they'll probably have their excuses pre-written, unless they're representing a moonbat territory.
The laser beam is really going to focus in on the senate, though. Harder to hide there.

re: #171 JustMyView

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Bunch of comments, then you went away. Now? You're back?

Someone grilling chicken? Cause I smell some.

re: #235 Floral Giraffe

Are they being forced into the "public option" or do they get to keep their current health care plan...

Nobody's being forced into the public option. It's an option. Take it if you like or get something else.

re: #200 bosforus

Oh, come on, DF. Don't make us live without you.

It was mostly hyperbole. I'm just pissed at what Obama and Pelosi are doing and I'm terrified about the future.

re: #238 Mich-again

How do you think they will dictate a healthy lifestyle?

Through taxation.

re: #re: #103 Dan G.
I'm a college senior applying to medical school right now and this scares the hell outta me.

re: #233 beekiller

She actually has good insurance but is afraid they'll drop her since she isn't able to go back to work. They've already started denying some things but have paid for one chemo treatment.

Thank you.

I'm sorry about your Sister my friend...The road ahead is tough..God bless her

re: #246 uncle_walter87

I'm a Ph.D. Candidate in medical biochem/mol bio... (i.e. drugs and med tech). Me too.

re: #237 The Sanity Inspector
I can't wait to see them try to collect the first fifteen thousand dollar fine from a non-participant.

re: #246 uncle_walter87

Go dental. :)

re: #232 tradewind

wow. america is as bad/screwed up as the UK (I'd never have thought it..)

re: #243 recusancy

Nobody's being forced into the public option. It's an option. Take it if you like or get something else.

I know the concern for a lot of people is whether 'something else' will be available if (tax-supported) government service is one of the competitors in the market.

re: #250 Dan G.

Go dental. :)

Go plastic.

re: #239 Naso Tang

Peace. I don't want a goodwill pissing contest. I should have left "how about you?" off my comment.

re: #243 recusancy

Nobody's being forced into the public option. It's an option. Take it if you like or get something else.

The problem is that the government will use mandates and subsidies to push people into it. The "public option" is a Trojan Horse. It must not be let into our country.

re: #232 tradewind

While they're fixing health, how about seeing to the nation's? How the hell was the the UK Telegraph able to know that the Ft Hood shooter hung out with radicals like the 9-11 terrorists but the US army was oblivious...
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

They didn't. They said that his mother's funeral was held at the same mosque some of the 9/11 assholes attended and that he attended occasional services. They did *not* say he "hung out with radicals like the 9/11 terrorists".

Don't twist what was reported. It makes you look...

re: #249 tradewind

That will look just like a late tax collection enforcement action.

re: #243 recusancy

Nobody's being forced into the public option. It's an option. Take it if you like or get something else.

Not true. There is an 8% additional payrol tax the employer has to pay if they do not cover 75% of all health care costs for their employer. For many companies, it will be less expensive to drop health coverage altogether and force their employees into the "public option".

The Dems, ironically, are setting up a two tiered system of health care where all the poor and middle class will have no option but the public "option".

re: #243 recusancy

Nobody's being forced into the public option. It's an option. Take it if you like or get something else.

How much of an option is it now that private insurers now have to compete with somebody who has regulatory power over them, can change the rules on the fly or can shut them down whenever they want?

re: #248 Dan G.

I'm a Ph.D. Candidate in medical biochem/mol bio... (i.e. drugs and med tech). Me too.

I'm about to enter in to a career in biomedical equipment technology, this doesn't bother me one bit. I'm in the highest demand field in the nation!

re: #233 beekiller

She actually has good insurance but is afraid they'll drop her since she isn't able to go back to work. They've already started denying some things but have paid for one chemo treatment.

Thank you.

She should be vehemently supportive of this bill then. She is exactly the type of person this bill is trying to help.

re: #141 redshirt

Why not, if this passes, we have decided to give the government power to do pretty much whatever they want. So much for the limitation of powers.

"And so they gratefully accepted the manacles, to stop their hands from shaking."