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1 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 11:07:15pm

More suction feeding?

2 freetoken  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 11:09:29pm

Sandpipers are the least lazy of birds... they never stop, never hesitate, to go about their business... avoiding the waves as much as loving the sand.

Christmas (which is 45 shopping days away) will pass them by with nary a notice by them ... their heads to ground.

3 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 11:12:59pm

Well...gotta jet.

Night all!

4 freetoken  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 11:13:39pm

re: #3 Fenway_Nation

g'night...

5 Raryn  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 11:15:32pm

I've just discovered the LGF spy. Amazing little tool...

Makes following fast-moving threads so much easier.

6 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 8, 2009 11:22:03pm

re: #5 Raryn

The spy was the single greatest tech addition to LGF after the new comments button. I love them both. Blogs that lack a new comments button suck.

7 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:00:30am
8 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:32:24am

Wow, some kids parents are a bit extreme I guess.

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Reggie Turner stopped by a growing memorial to 11 victims of an alleged serial killer because he knew one of the women. Michelle Lee came to pay her respects as a mother and grandmother. Mark Mason and two buddies rode their motorcycles to just take a look.

The street corner opposite the home dubbed Cleveland's "House of Horrors' buzzes with visits from mourners, well-wishers, politicians and the curious.

"We wanted our children to understand what has occurred, to understand how people go missing," said Cliff Westwood, who brought his 9-year-old daughter and 6-year-old son by the house late Saturday afternoon.

"So remember kids when a trash picking metal recycler invites you back to his place to drink and do heavy drugs don't go. He just wants to rape and kill you and then bury you in his basement!"
Is that what Cliff is telling his kids, or is he turning this into a chance to spread more false "stranger danger" stories so that his kids grow up distrusting everyone. Hmm?

9 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:01:40am

Gene Ray, the guy with the awesomest site evar, Timecube. (ok, the craziest site)

Now has a Twitter *NSFW* account *NSFW* which he is using to keep his mass of appalled fans up to speed with his derangement. (The crazy is strong there, racism, homophobia, bigotry against the "Jew God", narcissism, etc.)

Could this be a sign of the end times?

10 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:07:12am

re: #9 ausador


I was into Gene Ray ten years ago, before he was cool! But I did not know he had a Twitter.

*looks at his twitter feed*

This is the greatest gift ever bestowed upon mankind. From a grateful species...thank you.

11 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:17:29am

re: #9 ausador

Could this be a sign of the end times?

I was right! According to a very reliable (well, he has only been wrong about a dozen times before) source we only have two days left. (warning site color scheme may induce seizures)

12 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:32:51am
13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:56:14am

re: #11 ausador
The great thing about religious fanatics predicting the end of times is that when the predictions don't come true they say God sparred us. So for them it's a win-win.

14 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:15:26am
15 blueherron  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:26:44am

re: #14 freetoken

Thank you. Both selections hit the spot first thing in the early morning.

16 celticdragon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:40:13am

Oh my God.

Holocauast survivor Elie Wiesal critisized some of the teabag signs showing pictures from Dauchau...and the teabaggers went into unhinged holocaust denying, Rothschild conspiracy insanity at Polotico.com.

[Link: www.americablog.com...]

[Link: www.politico.com...]


Eli Wiesel should just go back to Indonesia. I don't see him condemnig the terrorist shooter at Fort Hood.

Elie is a whiner. She should stop her whining. You didn't not complane when the libs were calling Bush Hitler.


You know what? The fact is that at a time in history, The Rosthchild family controlled practically everything.This is a fact. Not anti semitic. I resent the Jewish outrage at everything. I am a tea partier. obama is a Marxist and takes his orders from George Soros... it is similar and these people need to get a life., Why any Jew would support the Obama administation is a mystery anyway. He is a Muslim sympathizer and the greatest threat to Israel ever to sit in the White House. Wake up Jewish community. Take off the blinders.

Elie, how did that whole Madoff thing work out for you?

This hollowcost thing is totally overblown by the jewish.


That was as far as I cared to go into this swamp.

17 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:18:41am

Good Morning Lizards.

James Taranto's recent Socialized Medicine quip.

Great Moments in Socialized Medicine

Europeans like to think of America as racked by street crime, and also as neglecting its citizens' medical needs. But this story from London's Daily Telegraph suggests there may be an element of projection in this stereotype:

Nearly 170,000 violent incidents take place in England's NHS hospitals each year, data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act has revealed.
Labour's laws on 24-hour drinking are being blamed for alcohol-fuelled violence in accident and emergency departments in particular.

There have been several murders and rapes at hospitals in recent years and thousands of attacks annually involve the use of knives and other weapons.

Almost one in four attacks results in injury, yet only a fraction of them are ever reported to the police.

The statistics reveal the dangers that doctors, nurses, paramedics, patients and visitors face in our hospitals on a daily basis.

Some hospital A & E [accident and emergency] departments have been described as "war zones" on a typical Friday or Saturday night.

Meanwhile, the Daily Mail reports that "the decision to designate patients as 'do not resuscitate' is falling to junior doctors in one in five cases, a report has revealed":

Usually a consultant should make the final decision--after talking to the family--in cases where elderly patients are not expected to survive.
But senior doctors were involved in dealing with just one in three patients admitted to hospital shortly before dying, says the report from the National Confidential Enquiry into Patient Outcome and Death. . . .

The findings come amid continuing controversy over elderly patients near the end of their lives being assigned to "death pathway" schemes.
Experts claim doctors and nurses need more training in how to care for people who are dying, because wrong diagnoses can result in withdrawal of food and fluids when they might otherwise have survived.

Then again, according to former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, "In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false."

18 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:30:40am

re: #17 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Lizards.

James Taranto's recent Socialized Medicine quip.

Great Moments in Socialized Medicine

Europeans like to think of America as racked by street crime, and also as neglecting its citizens' medical needs. But this story from London's Daily Telegraph suggests there may be an element of projection in this stereotype:

Nearly 170,000 violent incidents take place in England's NHS hospitals each year, data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act has revealed.
Labour's laws on 24-hour drinking are being blamed for alcohol-fuelled violence in accident and emergency departments in particular.

There have been several murders and rapes at hospitals in recent years and thousands of attacks annually involve the use of knives and other weapons.

Almost one in four attacks results in injury, yet only a fraction of them are ever reported to the police.

The statistics reveal the dangers that doctors, nurses, paramedics, patients and visitors face in our hospitals on a daily basis.

Some hospital A & E [accident and emergency] departments have been described as "war zones" on a typical Friday or Saturday night.

Meanwhile, the Daily Mail reports that "the decision to designate patients as 'do not resuscitate' is falling to junior doctors in one in five cases, a report has revealed":

Usually a consultant should make the final decision--after talking to the family--in cases where elderly patients are not expected to survive.
But senior doctors were involved in dealing with just one in three patients admitted to hospital shortly before dying, says the report from the National Confidential Enquiry into Patient Outcome and Death. . . .

The findings come amid continuing controversy over elderly patients near the end of their lives being assigned to "death pathway" schemes.
Experts claim doctors and nurses need more training in how to care for people who are dying, because wrong diagnoses can result in withdrawal of food and fluids when they might otherwise have survived.

Then again, according to former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, "In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false."

"It's football hooliganism. The government should really keep Man U fans from sharing wards with Chelsea fans, and so on."

19 Expand Your Ground  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:47:56am

The level of social interaction in the UK is a topic unto itself, it has really taken a nosedive in recent decades...

If you are taken to an emergency room in the US, you will receive necessary treatment, but you will also receive a bill for it. If you are not insured and do not have the means to pay it, you will be compelled to declare bankruptcy.

In other words, the costs will be socialized.

Is this the kind of after-the-fact "socialized" medicine we want, or should we adopt a market-based approach in which insurance risks are socialized?

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:49:42am
Nidal Malik Hasan apparently attended the same Virginia mosque as two Sept. 11 hijackers in 2001, at a time when a radical imam preached there.

Early Monday morning... and I'm pissed...

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:50:42am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Early Monday morning... and I'm pissed...

Already?

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:53:43am

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

GAH!

23 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:56:11am
24 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:02:06am

re: #16 celticdragon

Why did you quote that shit here?

25 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:22:49am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What a motherfucker.

26 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:24:24am

re: #25 TheMatrix31

What a motherfucker.

I think Joe Liberman is the only person to actually call it terrorism.

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:29:49am

Oh! Cowboys win!

28 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:31:26am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Early Monday morning... and I'm pissed...

Is this the article? Tradewind posted it on Saturday.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:35:05am

re: #28 MandyManners

Yep. Was news to me.

Now, just because its news to me, doesn't mean it is a surprise to me.

30 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:36:47am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Was news to me.

Now, just because its news to me, doesn't mean it is a surprise to me.

But, but, Obama said we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:37:26am
32 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:37:39am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Was news to me.

Now, just because its news to me, doesn't mean it is a surprise to me.

I posted a link to an article yesterday about the imam at his regular mosque in Texas. He sounded genuinely upset and hurt.

33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:38:06am

re: #30 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, Obama said we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

And he's right. But now, we're not really jumping... are we? We're finding some uncomfortable shit out.

34 Expand Your Ground  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:40:08am

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And he's right. But now, we're not really jumping... are we? We're finding some uncomfortable shit out.

If one wants confirmation of one's preconceived notions, then this te killer has just provided them in Spades. If you want to be in a position to lern from this, you have to take a deep breath and look further.

But who has the patience for that nowadays?

35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:42:44am

re: #34 ralphieboy

What can we learn from this Ralphie? Please, what can we learn?

36 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:45:57am

We were hit by a terrorist attack on Thursday, November 5th, 2009.

37 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:51:06am

re: #36 TheMatrix31

We were hit by a terrorist attack on Thursday, November 5th, 2009.

No, siwwy. We experienced a human-caused tragedy.

38 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:51:53am

re: #37 MandyManners

No, siwwy. We experienced a human-caused tragedy.

Man-made disaster?

39 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:52:55am

Good Morning LGF.
What's the latest spin?

40 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:53:29am

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

Man-made disaster?

I think I quoted what the BHO-approved term is for terrorism.

41 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:53:54am

re: #37 MandyManners

Argh.

42 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:55:26am

I Googled but couldn't find that term.

Anyone?

43 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:56:24am

re: #37 MandyManners

No, siwwy. We experienced a human-caused tragedy.

Would that be similar to anthropogenic global warming cessation of life?

44 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:57:07am

Man-caused disasters.

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:57:45am

re: #44 MandyManners

Man-caused disasters.

How about murder?

46 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:58:34am

re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar

How about murder?

No, that might offend CAIR.

47 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:58:44am

re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar

How about murder?

How about sugarcoated bullshit?

48 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:59:30am

Ask Janet Napolitano.

49 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:59:43am

re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What can we learn from this Ralphie? Please, what can we learn?

Ralphie - I'm also interested to know - what can we learn?

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:00:25am

re: #49 reine.de.tout

Ralphie - I'm also interested to know - what can we learn?

Hey, just wondering how close to the coast are you?

51 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:01:29am

A key U.S. senator called Sunday for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs that the man accused of opening fire at Fort Hood had embraced an increasingly extremist view of Islamic ideology.

Sen. Joe Lieberman's call came as word surfaced that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan apparently attended the same Virginia mosque as two Sept. 11 hijackers in 2001, at a time when a radical imam preached there. Whether Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, associated with the hijackers is something the FBI will probably look into, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Classmates participating in a 2007-2008 master's program at a military college complained repeatedly to superiors about what they considered Hasan's anti-American views. Dr. Val Finnell said Hasan gave a presentation at the Uniformed Services University that justified suicide bombing and even told classmates that Islamic law trumped the U.S. Constitution.

Lieberman, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, wants Congress to determine whether the shootings constitute a terrorist attack.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance," Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, said on "Fox News Sunday." "He should have been gone."

SNIP

52 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:02:29am

re: #49 reine.de.tout

Ralphie - I'm also interested to know - what can we learn?

*crickets*

53 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:02:46am

re: #34 ralphieboy

If one wants confirmation of one's preconceived notions, then this te killer has just provided them in Spades. If you want to be in a position to lern from this, you have to take a deep breath and look further.

But who has the patience for that nowadays?

What was this, a fucking teachable moment?

The only thing we need to learn is why this fucker was still in the position to do what he did.

54 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:02:57am

re: #50 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey, just wondering how close to the coast are you?

In Louisiana, about 60 miles or so inland. Ida is heading to Florida, I believe, and will be a very nasty tropical storm with lots of rain it looks like - damage could be extensive from flooding.

55 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:04:07am

re: #54 reine.de.tout

In Louisiana, about 60 miles or so inland. Ida is heading to Florida, I believe, and will be a very nasty tropical storm with lots of rain it looks like - damage could be extensive from flooding.

Someone forgot to take the hurricane machine away from Cheney.

56 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:04:41am

re: #37 MandyManners

No, siwwy. We experienced a human-caused tragedy.

Ralphie was talking about the dead and injured being a human-caused tragedy, correct?

57 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:04:41am

re: #53 TheMatrix31

What was this, a fucking teachable moment?

The only thing we need to learn is why this fucker was still in the position to do what he did.

I hope Lieberman kicks ass.

58 RogueOne  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:04:55am

Morning all, hope everyone had a good weekend.

59 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:05:21am

re: #56 reine.de.tout

Ralphie was talking about the dead and injured being a human-caused tragedy, correct?

No. I was snarking on Matrix's No. 36.

60 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:05:31am

Morning, lizards. Looks like today's open thread is going to be a heated discussion already. Today dawned cool and clear, with the flags hanging sadly at half mast from their poles.

61 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:05:52am

re: #43 Spare O'Lake

Would that be similar to anthropogenic global warming cessation of life?

Yeah, man. Humanity is teh eevel.

62 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:06:17am

re: #57 MandyManners

I hope Lieberman kicks ass.

He needs to break some backs on this. Go Joe!

63 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:06:17am

re: #59 MandyManners

No. I was snarking on Matrix's No. 36.

Ah. I thought you were snarking on Ralphie's 34.

64 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:06:46am

re: #62 TheMatrix31

He needs to break some backs on this. Go Joe!

This PC shit has got to go.

65 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:07:50am

re: #63 reine.de.tout

Ah. I thought you were snarking on Ralphie's 34.

All I deigned to do with that is to down-ding his pretensious ass.

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:08:34am

Ralphie is obviously preparing a many paragraph treatise on what we are to learn from this.

Looking forward to reading it. I'd love to gather some knowledge from this tragedy.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:10:14am

How could anyone miss the signs of islamic extremism.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.

Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.

And the fact that he attended the same mosque that a few 9-11 terrorists did and listened to the same radical bullshit from their imam is all I need to hear.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:10:23am

re: #34 ralphieboy

I am waiting for teh down-dinging.

Seriously, Ralphie; I am teachable.

71 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:11:10am

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ralphie is obviously preparing a many paragraph treatise on what we are to learn from this.

Looking forward to reading it. I'd love to gather some knowledge from this tragedy.

Sometimes it takes the most heinous evil to bring out the greatest good.

/we salute you, Kimberley Munley.

72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:12:12am

re: #70 MandyManners


Pvt. Francheska Velez, 21, of Chicago

And her unborn child.

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:12:36am

re: #71 laZardo

Sometimes it takes the most heinous evil to bring out the greatest good.

/we salute you, Kimberley Munley.

CHICK COPS ROCK!

74 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:13:06am

Gotta' go wage war on The Kid. bbl

75 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:14:02am

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CHICK COPS ROCK!

Don't forget those IDF babes. Hubba hubba.

76 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:16:59am

Justa guess, but:
Betcha ralphieboy finds some way to "Blame America First"

77 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:17:30am

Also want to salute Officer Mark Todd, who helped to take down Hasan.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:18:46am

re: #77 laZardo

Also want to salute Officer Mark Todd, who helped to take down Hasan.

DUDE COPS ROCK!

79 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:19:53am

re: #42 MandyManners

I Googled but couldn't find that term.

Anyone?

From march 2009:
Obama-Speak: Homeland Security Secretary Replaces 'Terrorism' With the Term 'Man-Caused Disaster'

Terrorism Is a 'Man-Caused' Disaster?

From november 2007:
Terrorism a man-made disaster, says PM

Branding terrorism as a 'man-made' disaster, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images] on Wednesday said the scourge was looming large over Asian countries and could trigger disasters across the borders.
[snip]
80 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:19:56am

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DUDE COPS ROCK!

Let's just skip to the short version:

COPS ROCK!

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:22:57am

Love it when new lizards post the uber-lib kum bah yah shit and find out that they are posting in a nest of hawks...

"I'M A CHICKEN HAWK!"

82 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:23:08am

re: #80 thedopefishlives

Let's just skip to the short version:

COPS ROCK!

OK, but the show "Cop Rock" sucked.

83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:23:38am

re: #80 thedopefishlives

Let's just skip to the short version:

COPS ROCK!

UGH! Remember that TV show, Cop Rock?

*shudder*

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:24:06am

re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar

MMTA

85 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:25:47am

re: #83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

UGH! Remember that TV show, Cop Rock?

*shudder*

You both mentioned that show, but I've actually never seen it. I must be too young for that.

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:27:12am

re: #85 thedopefishlives

Shut up.
/

87 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:27:20am

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MMTA

Mediocre minds?

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:27:38am

re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar

heh

89 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:27:56am

Radical 9/11 Cleric Linked to Fort Hood Shooter: Nidal Hasan is a Hero

It was reported on Saturday that the Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Hasan, attended the same mosque in Great Falls, Virginia in 2001 as two of the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 attacks. From the Telegraph:

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

Hasan’s eyes “lit up” when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki’s teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday’s horrific shooting spree.

Late this evening, al-Awlaki, who is now based in Yemen, commented on the shootings on a blog posting with the heading “Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing“:

Nidal Hassan [sic] is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier. The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges.

Motherfuckers.

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:28:36am

re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar

I always "Pity da fool" that thinks like me.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:29:24am

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

Ralphie?

Comments?

What are we learning here? Seriously.

92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:29:45am

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always "Pity da fool" that thinks like me.

We're just both repulsed by the same things.

93 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:30:12am

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

Son of a fucking bitch.

94 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:30:39am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We're learning a whole helluva lot, just not what that guy thinks we should be learning.

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:30:46am

re: #75 laZardo

Yeah, but they're looking for nice Jewish boys.

96 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:30:52am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ralphie?

Comments?

What are we learning here? Seriously.

Been almost an hour. Ralphie does not appear to be logged in at the moment.

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:34:20am

re: #96 reine.de.tout

If you're gonna drop one in the punchbowl, you should stay around to watch it float, if you ask me.

98 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:35:31am

re: #42 MandyManners

re: #79 abolitionist

An even older ref:
Development of a module on terrorism and other man-made disasters

WHO is working with the United Nations Disaster Management Training Programme to develop a preparedness training module, based on risk management principles. In addition to chemical and biological risks, the module covers radionuclear materials and structural incidents. This training module is being developed with Emergency Management Visions International, a non-profit consultancy with experts from Harvard University.[snip]
This project started in 2002 and there is a plan for field testing the draft modules in 3 countries in 2003.
99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:37:21am

re: #96 reine.de.tout

Been almost an hour. Ralphie does not appear to be logged in at the moment.

He must be talking to Olbermann to get a pithy response.

100 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:37:29am

Here's the obituary of one of Russia's greatest 20th century physicists who died yesterday. His views on democracy, terrorism, secular humanism, AIDS, poverty and the Russian Orthodox Church are interesting.

Vitaly Ginzburg dies at 93

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:45:07am

re: #100 John Neverbend

Slab Hardpecs.

102 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:51:18am

GN all

103 Mike DeGuzman  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:52:17am

The folks at Walter Reed Army Medical Center really missed all the red flags on Maj Hasan's radical and extreme views. They knew about it and did nothing for the sake of political correctness! Maj Hasan was there at WRAMC for 6 years. As a result, 13 dead and more than 2 dozen wounded, 10 of which are in critical condition. They need to hold accountable and discipline those people in charge at WRMAC for this fiasco! I was wondering, does the "don't ask, don't tell" policy applies to the radical islamic extremist muslims in the Army?

104 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:55:36am

Seems like some people are trying very hard to ignore the elephant in the room and find other excuses.
Time:
Hasan's Therapy: Could "Secondary Trauma" Have Driven Him to Shooting?


As an army psychiatrist treating soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, Major Nidal Malik Hasan had a front row seat on the brutal toll of war. It is too early to know exactly what may have triggered his murderous shooting rampage Thursday at Fort Hood — Hasan is accused of killing 12 people and wounding 32 others before he was wounded by a police officer — but it is not uncommon for therapists treating soldiers with Post Trumatic Stress Disorder (P.T.S.D.) to be swept up in a patient's displays of war-related paranoia, helplessness and fury.

The we have government officials are worried about a backlash against muslims.
Army Chief Concerned for Muslim Troops

General George Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, said on Sunday that he was concerned that speculation about the religious beliefs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of killing 12 fellow soldiers and one civilian and wounding dozens of others in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, could “cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers.”

“I’ve asked our Army leaders to be on the lookout for that,” General Casey said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union. “It would be a shame — as great a tragedy as this was — it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well.”

Napolitano Warns Against Anti-Muslim Backlash


ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates -- U.S. Homeland Security officials are working with groups around United States to head off any possible anti-Muslim backlash following the shootings at Fort Hood in Texas, the agency's chief said Sunday.

The comments by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano also appeared part of efforts to reassure the Arab world that U.S. authorities were taking measures to quell anti-Islam sentiments after last week's rampage by an American-born Muslim serving as U.S. Army psychiatrist.

"This was a terrible tragedy for all involved," Napolitano told reporters in the United Arab Emirates' capital Abu Dhabi. "Obviously, we object to -- and do not believe -- that anti-Muslim sentiment should emanate from this."

Backlash? Exuse me but I haven't read one story where a muslim has as much as a scratch. Here is the scorecard:

US soldiers murdered - 13
US soldiers wounded - 38

muslims hurt by backlash - 0

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:58:54am

re: #103 Mike DeGuzman

Maybe that was what Ralphieboy was talking about. Maybe PC is making us overlook some frightening things. Way to go Ralphie. We should be less PC!
/

106 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:01:05am

Angela Merkel now crossing the first bridge to be opened when the Wall fell 20 years ago today.

107 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:02:55am

Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Frequented Local Strip Club

KILLEEN, Texas — The Army psychiatrist authorities say killed 13 people and wounded 29 others at the Fort Hood Army Base Thursday was a recent and frequent customer at a local strip club, employees of the club told FoxNews.com exclusively.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan came into the Starz strip club not far from the base at least three times in the past month, the club's general manager, Matthew Jones, told FoxNews.com. Army investigators building their case against Hasan plan to interview Jones soon.

"The last time he was here, I remember checking his military ID at the door, and he paid his $15 cover and stayed for six or seven hours," Jones, 37, said.

His imams must be very disappointed.

108 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:04:00am

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Frequented Local Strip Club


His imams must be very disappointed.

IIRC, some of the 9/11 terrorist got prostitutes before the attacks.

109 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:04:17am

re: #106 laZardo

...along with Gorbachev and Walesa.

/wonder if Reagan would've taken part today too if he were still alive.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:04:35am

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

They "like-a do the cha cha" don't they.

Talk about cognitive dissonance...

I hope he got drunk too.

111 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:04:39am

Second Hand Institutional Trauma...?
SHIT?
Great! Just one more thing to worry about!
I'm begining to think I'd rather go into battle and share
a "foxhole"With Nancy Pilosi than a convert to Islam...
I know It's not PC but ...
When I last came on to LGF we ,as yet did not know the shooters name...But I believe we all feared the same thing!

112 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:10:05am

From Drudge...
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

113 Frogmarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:10:12am

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

US soldiers murdered - 13
US soldiers wounded - 38

muslims hurt by backlash - 0

I'm reporting you to the politically correct sensitivity police.
This poor muslim was a victim. It's our fault. The sooner you realize that the sooner you will learn to love our new government run health insurance program. Where glorious Single Payer is just 10 years away!

114 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:12:53am

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, some of the 9/11 terrorist got prostitutes before the attacks.

Tried I think, but (Atta & company) decided against partly because of costs; they did go to a night club/bar on or about about sep 10.

(Not defending the monsters)

115 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:13:37am

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, some of the 9/11 terrorist got prostitutes before the attacks.

Probably preparing themselves for the afterlife?

/little did they know that their "heaven" suspiciously resembled a Star Trek convention.

116 Mike DeGuzman  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:16:41am

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, some of the 9/11 terrorist got prostitutes before the attacks.

What about the 72 virgins that they were promised?!

117 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:16:51am

I wish we could develope the senses of a dog!
Dogs are ,with out a doubt ,the best judges of caracter!

I'll bet Hasan's been bit several times!!

118 Frogmarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:18:11am

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Frequented Local Strip Club

His imams must be very disappointed.

Was he fantasizing about cutting throats?

It's beginning to look as if major warning sings were ignored.

119 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:19:16am

Obama didn't go to the Berlin Wall (I assume he will during his 2012 campaign), but Hilary is there.

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

120 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:20:51am

November 9 is an odd anniversary for Germany.

On the one hand, it commemorates the fall of the Berlin Wall.
On the other, Kristallnacht.

121 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:20:57am

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love it when new lizards post the uber-lib kum bah yah shit and find out that they are posting in a nest of hawks...

"I'M A CHICKEN HAWK!"

Well remember. That guy is the same poster who spouted off about the Throbbing memo being real and Dan Rather being the victim of a smear campaign... yes he did this here of all places.

122 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:22:43am

re: #121 ArchangelMichael

Well remember. That guy is the same poster who spouted off about the Throbbing memo being real and Dan Rather being the victim of a smear campaign... yes he did this here of all places.

Amongst giant roosters with thick Southern accents.

/i say, i say...

123 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:23:54am

ooo!
Black Helicopters in the News.

CBS2 news just reported that military black hawk helicopters scheduled for overseas duty-will be overflying the San Fernando Valley today to practice coordinating with... wait for it...
The Los Angeles Police Department!

I'm looking forward to the paranoid heads popping today.

124 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:24:53am

re: #123 Rightwingconspirator

Shades of Blue Thunder.

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:26:01am

re: #123 Rightwingconspirator

I am definitely gonna listen to Coast to Coast this week!!

126 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:28:40am

re: #121 ArchangelMichael

Well remember. That guy is the same poster who spouted off about the Throbbing memo being real and Dan Rather being the victim of a smear campaign... yes he did this here of all places.

Yes, indeed, he did.

Charles' response.

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:31:13am

re: #126 reine.de.tout

And yet Ralphieboy is still here. Charles is a bigger man then me.

128 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:33:17am

“ Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009”


Page 29.

129 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:33:58am

re: #128 Ben Hur

Link?

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:34:44am

re: #109 laZardo

I was just thinking the other day of how grateful I am to Nancy for viciously protecting their privacy as Mr. Reagan's health declined.

131 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:36:46am
132 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:37:09am

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Link?

[Link: www.gwumc.edu...]

133 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:37:12am

hello all-- driving by at the moment but will be back tonight I think-- has this been posted? showed up on memeorandum about 30 min ago:


Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect with Terrorists

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan tried to make contact with people linked to al Qaeda.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

vid and more at link

134 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:38:13am

re: #98 abolitionist

re: #79 abolitionist

An even older ref:
Development of a module on terrorism and other man-made disasters

I'm glad okay with that terminology.

135 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:38:23am

re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee

Obama didn't go to the Berlin Wall (I assume he will during his 2012 campaign), but Hilary is there.

Under a hail of gun fire?

136 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:38:47am

Before I get cornered into doing some work and can't get back to ya'll...
I want wish all the Vet's a great day and say Thankyou for your service to this great nation!
A debt we cannot repay!
I'll be off Veterans Day and be driving to the big city for warranty
service on the truck!
Lots to do...
BBL

137 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:39:26am

re: #135 CommonCents

Under a hail of gun fire?

I hate German snipers.
/

138 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:40:03am

re: #103 Mike DeGuzman

The folks at Walter Reed Army Medical Center really missed all the red flags on Maj Hasan's radical and extreme views. They knew about it and did nothing for the sake of political correctness! Maj Hasan was there at WRAMC for 6 years. As a result, 13 dead and more than 2 dozen wounded, 10 of which are in critical condition. They need to hold accountable and discipline those people in charge at WRMAC for this fiasco! I was wondering, does the "don't ask, don't tell" policy applies to the radical islamic extremist muslims in the Army?

I'm all for that as long as not one iota of blame is shifted from Hasan.

139 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:41:16am

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Frequented Local Strip Club


His imams must be very disappointed.

Didn't the terrorists of 9-11 spend the night before at a strip club?

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:41:17am

re: #133 iceweasel

Thanks, Ice. Hope your Soros' meetings are going well.
/

141 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:42:06am
142 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:42:25am

re: #111 reloadingisnotahobby

Second Hand Institutional Trauma...?
SHIT?
Great! Just one more thing to worry about!
I'm begining to think I'd rather go into battle and share
a "foxhole"With Nancy Pilosi than a convert to Islam...
I know It's not PC but ...
When I last came on to LGF we ,as yet did not know the shooters name...But I believe we all feared the same thing!

Hasan was NOT a convert. Born and bred.

143 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:06am

re: #139 MandyManners

Didn't the terrorists of 9-11 spend the night before at a strip club?

Mohamed Atta did.

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:07am

re: #141 Mad Al-Jaffee

Circle of life...

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:34am

re: #141 Mad Al-Jaffee

I can haz venison burger?

People rooted for the deer. I would have rooted for the lions.

146 Frogmarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:52am

re: #103 Mike DeGuzman

The folks at Walter Reed Army Medical Center really missed all the red flags on Maj Hasan's radical and extreme views. They knew about it and did nothing for the sake of political correctness! Maj Hasan was there at WRAMC for 6 years. As a result, 13 dead and more than 2 dozen wounded, 10 of which are in critical condition. They need to hold accountable and discipline those people in charge at WRMAC for this fiasco! I was wondering, does the "don't ask, don't tell" policy applies to the radical islamic extremist muslims in the Army?

Indeed:

From the Telegraph

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.

Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.

It was the latest in a series of "red flags" about his state of mind that have emerged since the massacre at Fort Hood, America's largest military installation, on Thursday.

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:53am

"W.T.F.. Why The Face?"

148 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:44:24am

re: #134 MandyManners

I'm glad okay with that terminology.

*sigh*

149 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:44:49am

re: #135 CommonCents

Under a hail of gun fire?

ROFLMAO!

150 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:45:30am

Obama snubs Ft. Hood to relax at Camp David (updated)

Dan Riehl checks the President's schedule and learns that Obama's not going to Fort Hood, but rather to Camp David for the weekend. In an update, Dan notes that his predecessor is more sensitive to the situation.

Fox Reports GWB and Laura spent a few hours at Fort Hood, no photo ops. Now that's a CIC.

Are you kidding me? Camp frickin' David? What, does he have a tee time close by? For heaven's sakes, he's the CIC. And he's taking the weekend off? This guy simply doesn't care. Unbelievable via Fox.

11:25AM THE PRESIDENT addresses the House Democratic Caucus - Cannon House Office Building

2:30PM THE PRESIDENT makes a statement to the press on Health Care - Rose Garden

2:45PM THE PRESIDENT and THE FIRST LADY depart The White House en route Camp David - South Lawn


That Dancing with the Indians conference must have really worn the poor guy out so much he can't spare time to comfort the survivors of the jihadi Major's massacre.

Update: Obama now plans to visit Ft. Hood Tuesday for the memorila service. We're glad he could squeeze it in sometime this week, just to show how much he cares.

151 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:45:57am

re: #143 CommonCents

Mohamed Atta did.

Is it okay to call him a fucking hypocrite?

152 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:46:59am

re:
re: #142 MandyManners

I'm aware of that Mandy...
I was covering a broad spectrum ..ie Nation of Islam or any
other Muslim sect...Convert or otherwise.
May have not givin alot of thought to the Nancy Pelosi reference tho!That would be brutal...

153 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:47:27am

re: #148 MandyManners

You invited a search; I searched. I don't agree with the newspeak.

154 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:48:00am

Gotta go take my kid to the heath dept for a pig flu shot. SNAFU last Friday at school made her miss the shots.

Later.

155 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:48:16am

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

Cheers.

156 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:48:28am

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, Ice. Hope your Soros' meetings are going well.
/

Hey FBV! How are you sweetie?
They're going fabulously. :) I will have some news tonight, I think. Thanks for asking!

This Fort Hood situation looks worse and worse all the time. How was this guy not already in custody or treatment or under surveillance or something? In my undisclosed underground meeting location I've been away from most of the news so I'm out of the loop on everything...

157 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:48:43am

re: #141 Mad Al-Jaffee

Fatally injured...??
HA HA!! No SHIT??

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:49:27am

re: #156 iceweasel

I think he was being watched for 6 months.

159 Frogmarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:50:31am

re: #139 MandyManners

Didn't the terrorists of 9-11 spend the night before at a strip club?

"What is with jihadists and strip joints? Before they hijacked planes and attacked New York and Washington, some of the hijackers spent time in strip joints. Maybe they realize that their actions are not religious at all, but just madness."

160 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:51:32am

I hope Major Hasan gets life in solitary without parole.

/remember, he is a crazed jihadi.

161 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:09am

re: #160 laZardo
...He needs the needle!

163 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:18am

Fred Phelps assholes (redundant, I know) protesting against Jews and Israel in DC:

[Link: www.princeofpetworth.com...]

164 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:33am

re: #160 laZardo

I hope Major Hasan gets life in solitary without parole.

/remember, he is a crazed jihadi.

I hope he gets the hot shot.

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:36am

re: #160 laZardo

I hope Major Hasan gets life in solitary without parole.

/remember, he is a crazed jihadi.

Nope. Death. And military justice is swift.

166 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:53:28am

re: #151 MandyManners

Is it okay to call him a fucking hypocrite?

You mean like the drug dealing Taliban? Or the pure and holy Islamic "freedom fighters" that get all jacked up before detonating themselves? There is A LOT of hypocrisy going on there.

167 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:53:56am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes!
They should go all 'Black Jack' Pershing on his ass...IMHO!

168 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:54:18am

re: #166 CommonCents

You mean like the drug dealing Taliban? Or the pure and holy Islamic "freedom fighters" that get all jacked up before detonating themselves? There is A LOT of hypocrisy going on there.

Not if the infidel is buying/doing the drugs.

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:54:24am

re: #167 reloadingisnotahobby

Yes!
They should go all 'Black Jack' Pershing on his ass...IMHO!

AMEN!!! Stuff him!!

171 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:54:41am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nope. Death. And military justice is swift.

Really...

"If history is any judge, the Army will find it difficult to impose the death penalty on the accused killer in the bloodiest mass shooting on a U.S. military base in history.

Military experts say Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is almost certain to face capital charges before an Army court-martial. But they warn that death penalty cases are so rare in the military, and so prone to big mistakes, that death sentences rarely stick."

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

No, the military is become as PC as the rest of society.

172 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:55:07am

re: #168 Ben Hur

Not if the infidel is buying/doing the drugs.

Or, Jews are getting killed.

173 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:55:24am

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar
Your aware of Pershings methods???
I knew you were...

174 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:55:43am

re: #169 MandyManners

Well, thar she blows.

Will be ignored.

175 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:55:59am

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

Leavenworth, then. For the rest of his miserable existence.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:56:11am

re: #173 reloadingisnotahobby

Your aware of Pershings methods???
I knew you were...

Story is he let one go to tell the story of what he saw. Heh.

177 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:56:24am

re: #174 Ben Hur

Will be ignored.

Well, it was not a governmental body.

178 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:57:09am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think he was being watched for 6 months.


Hey CCA!
Not closely enough, clearly. Hadn't he just received orders to deploy? WTF?

179 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:57:18am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #164 MandyManners

He wants to be martyred. It'll fulfill him after bringing death to 14 innocent people (counting PFC Velez' unborn child) and he'll go with a smile on his face without regret like the Bali bombers did.

Let him rot in his insanity. He'll be a living lesson as to where such belief systems lead.

180 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:57:58am

It's something.

181 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:58:49am

re: #179 laZardo

Then let's have him make small rocks from large ones.

182 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:00:13am

re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar

Then let's have him make small rocks from large ones.


Chained to cute little Pot Bellied Pig!!!
...on second thought ... a big ugly sow!
Yea! That's the ticket!

183 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:01:22am

He needs treatment.

We should send him Saudi Arabia for rehab as soon as possible.

184 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:01:23am

re: #159 Frogmarch

"What is with jihadists and strip joints? Before they hijacked planes and attacked New York and Washington, some of the hijackers spent time in strip joints. Maybe they realize that their actions are not religious at all, but just madness."

No, I think the strip club issue actually is quite revealing of the underlying theocratic misogynist impulse there-- they go look at 'decadent' western values in action and tell themselves that these are the infidels or whatever that deserve death-- doubtless also yanking their crank over it at the same time. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they had lap dances etc as well. Total hypocrisy.

185 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:02:16am

re: #179 laZardo

re: #164 MandyManners

He wants to be martyred. It'll fulfill him after bringing death to 14 innocent people (counting PFC Velez' unborn child) and he'll go with a smile on his face without regret like the Bali bombers did.

Let him rot in his insanity. He'll be a living lesson as to where such belief systems lead.

Do you honestly think that "rotting" or a death sentence will bother this man? He will wear any punishment as a badge of honor, and relish the attention it brings to Allah and himself.

We are talking about someone who has been totally re-socialized by the radical elements of his religion and by morals that comport with a 7th century tribal mentality, not a 21st century sense of what encompasses human rights and modern justice.

What ever punishment he get, for him, it will be like paradise.

186 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:02:29am

have to run-- have a great day, folks!

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:02:34am

re: #184 iceweasel

Well stated.

188 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:03:19am

re: #183 Ben Hur

He needs treatment.

We should send him Saudi Arabia for rehab as soon as possible.

They'd promote him to imam, and send him to England or Canada.

189 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:03:28am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Do you honestly think that "rotting" or a death sentence will bother this man? He will wear any punishment as a badge of honor, and relish the attention it brings to Allah and himself.

We are talking about someone who has been totally re-socialized by the radical elements of his religion and by morals that comport with a 7th century tribal mentality, not a 21st century sense of what encompasses human rights and modern justice.

Spot on! Exactly-- later!

190 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:04:01am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Do you honestly think that "rotting" or a death sentence will bother this man? He will wear any punishment as a badge of honor, and relish the attention it brings to Allah and himself.

We are talking about someone who has been totally re-socialized by the radical elements of his religion and by morals that comport with a 7th century tribal mentality, not a 21st century sense of what encompasses human rights and modern justice.

What ever punishment he get, for him, it will be like paradise.

So, what do with do with him?

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:05:38am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Can we send Pat Robertson to his cell daily? Something?

192 Mike DeGuzman  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:06:27am

re: #190 MandyManners

So, what do with do with him?

Put him in a cell with Chuck Norris!

193 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:06:57am

re: #190 MandyManners
Well ...I just think he needs a group hug!!
At a Leaper Colony...

194 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:07:17am

re: #190 MandyManners

So, what do with do with him?


Fry him and send him on his way.

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:07:20am

re: #193 reloadingisnotahobby

heh... Leaper... heh

196 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:08:20am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

For him in his deluded fantasies, perhaps he'll be unrepentant. But we've seen how actually dying (e.g. the hijackers, Zarqawi) can very much make one immortal in the eyes of a fellow fanatic.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured alive and confessed to 9/11, for example. I wonder how many of his comrades still sing praises to him now.

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:08:26am

re: #193 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What did the leaper tell the hooker? Keep the tip.
/I have no class

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:09:04am

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What did the leaper tell the hooker? Keep the tip.
/I have no class

IT'S LEPER! Haven't you seen Ben Hur?

199 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:09:31am

re: #190 MandyManners

So, what do with do with him?

Force him to star in gay porn movies.

200 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:09:43am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Spell check didn't pick it up!!
*pimf*

201 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:10:07am

re: #150 NJDhockeyfan

Bush lives in Tx - and as immediate past CIC it seems apt.

The sitting president should have been their the day after before eevrything is known and all the facts are in...? and to do what- a huge speech, a photo-op...?

He's going to be there for the memorial - will probably speak to some people when he is there.

I imagine the base is trying to get back to normal as soon as possible - and two presidential trips - one in the immediate aftermath and another for the memorial would have hampered that.

It's doubtless a difficult call to make - but if he is in and out of there everyother day it'll turn things even more upside down.

202 KenJen  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:10:09am

re: #190 MandyManners

Britney Spears 24/7.

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:10:29am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IT'S LEPER! Haven't you seen Ben Hur?

I thought the spelling looked funny. Oh, well.

204 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:11:11am

Reduce his carbon footprint to zero.

205 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:11:21am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IT'S LEPER! Haven't you seen Ben Hur?

Yeah, he's back up at #183.

/captain obvious moment

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:11:58am

re: #205 laZardo

I sets 'em up!

207 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:14:14am

re: #190 MandyManners

So, what do with do with him?

I'd say the appropriate punishment would be to force him to endure our decadent 21st-century lifestyle as the "infidels" enjoy it. Put on cable TV, fill his jail cell with racks of racy magazines, have his food and water administered by a beautiful and uncovered female guard. Eventually, his head will explode.

208 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:14:40am

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

Lieberman made some excellent points the other day...I believe he's calling for an investigation. (On Anderson Cooper a fellow classmate in a graduate course on environmental health detailed what was going on in the classroom with this Hasan fellow -- just unbelieveable. There apparently was another student who reported Hasan's behavior, saying the guy was a "ticking time bomb." And what did the instructors do? nothing, of course. Someone -- based on these allegations -- certainly dropped the ball here...)

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:15:05am

re: #207 thedopefishlives

I'd say the appropriate punishment would be to force him to endure our decadent 21st-century lifestyle as the "infidels" enjoy it. Put on cable TV, fill his jail cell with racks of racy magazines, have his food and water administered by a beautiful and uncovered female guard. Eventually, his head will explode.

Or make him watch Keith Oberman.

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:16:19am

re: #34 ralphieboy

If one wants confirmation of one's preconceived notions, then this te killer has just provided them in Spades. If you want to be in a position to lern from this, you have to take a deep breath and look further.

But who has the patience for that nowadays?

Oh... everybody... just a reminder for when he comes back.

211 Mike DeGuzman  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:16:32am
212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:16:36am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or make him watch Keith Oberman.

GET HIM OFF MY FOOTBALL! IT BURNS!

213 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:17:01am

re: #207 thedopefishlives

I'd say the appropriate punishment would be to force him to endure our decadent 21st-century lifestyle as the "infidels" enjoy it. Put on cable TV, fill his jail cell with racks of racy magazines, have his food and water administered by a beautiful and uncovered female guard. Eventually, his head will explode.

Is that supposed to be a pun?

214 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:17:06am

re: #196 laZardo

For him in his deluded fantasies, perhaps he'll be unrepentant. But we've seen how actually dying (e.g. the hijackers, Zarqawi) can very much make one immortal in the eyes of a fellow fanatic.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured alive and confessed to 9/11, for example. I wonder how many of his comrades still sing praises to him now.

Bullshit. Have you ever dealt with people who have been re-socialized by a theology, a philosophy or a "higher calling?"

And since you have no actual facts about how fellow comrades fell about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, that point is worthless.

Guess what? No... "we can't just all get along" even though you want to turn this into some positive.

Forget it.

215 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:05am

re: #207 thedopefishlives

I'd say the appropriate punishment would be to force him to endure our decadent 21st-century lifestyle as the "infidels" enjoy it. Put on cable TV, fill his jail cell with racks of racy magazines, have his food and water administered by a beautiful and uncovered female guard. Eventually, his head will explode.

I always hope for karmic justice and that they will be reincarnated in their next life as a muslim woman.

216 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:19am

re: #182 reloadingisnotahobby

Chained to cute little Pot Bellied Pig!!!
...on second thought ... a big ugly sow!
Yea! That's the ticket!

Give him a pair of these for Christmas?

217 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:31am

re: #208 J.S.

Lieberman made some excellent points the other day...I believe he's calling for an investigation. (On Anderson Cooper a fellow classmate in a graduate course on environmental health detailed what was going on in the classroom with this Hasan fellow -- just unbelieveable. There apparently was another student who reported Hasan's behavior, saying the guy was a "ticking time bomb." And what did the instructors do? nothing, of course. Someone -- based on these allegations -- certainly dropped the ball here...)

I wasn't debating who did or didn't drop the ball. I agree that the ball was dropped big time, and there should be all out shit hitting the fan throughout the military.

They've got some fixin' to do.

218 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:42am

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can we send Pat Robertson to his cell daily? Something?

Cruel and unusual punishment?

219 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:42am

re: #215 Sharmuta

I always hope for karmic justice and that they will be reincarnated in their next life as a muslim woman.

Even though I don't go for the whole reincarnation thing, I think that would be absolutely poetic.

220 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:59am

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

Fine. No need to flare up at me about it.

221 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:19:10am

re: #192 Mike DeGuzman

Put him in a cell with Chuck Norris!

I'd not do that to Norris.

222 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #190 MandyManners

So, what do with do with him?

What ever is with in the law.

223 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:19:45am

re: #220 laZardo

Fine. No need to flare up at me about it.

That wasn't a flare up. That was facts.

224 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:19:47am

re: #193 reloadingisnotahobby

Well ...I just think he needs a group hug!!
At a Leaper Colony...

He'd just fall to pieces.

225 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:20:06am

re: #194 Spare O'Lake

Fry him and send him on his way.

Hot shot.

226 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:20:54am

re: #215 Sharmuta

I always hope for karmic justice and that they will be reincarnated in their next life as a muslim woman.

I always hope for reality and hope that people like Hasan are eliminated from the face of this planet.

227 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:21:22am

re: #202 KenJen

Britney Spears 24/7.

Now you're thinking.

228 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:22:14am

re: #207 thedopefishlives

I'd say the appropriate punishment would be to force him to endure our decadent 21st-century lifestyle as the "infidels" enjoy it. Put on cable TV, fill his jail cell with racks of racy magazines, have his food and water administered by a beautiful and uncovered female guard. Eventually, his head will explode.

Nah. He might start to like it.

229 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:22:29am

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

I agree, fixing is definitely needed...(by the way, I hear that these types, once convicted typically wind up in a Super Max prison -- I've read about these places -- it's solitary confinement -- no sound, no talking, no interaction with other human beings, along with 24 hour surveillance -- the United Nations has complained about Super Max prisons...this could be Hasan's fate...Some allege it's worse than death.)

230 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:22:36am

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Well, I wasn't suggesting "we should all get along." I just figured that life in solitary would be a better punishment for someone so obsessed with death as he is.

And how the hell was I calling the shootings a "positive?"

231 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:22:50am

re: #219 thedopefishlives

Hope you're well today, Fishie. Obviously none of us can know what happens in the after-life, but islamists sure make me hope reincarnation is possible.

232 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:22:53am

re: #213 CommonCents

Is that supposed to be a pun?

Yeah, I thought about going there but I refrained.

233 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:23:47am

This is nice to see. Three restaurant chains are offering free meals to veterans and members of the military.

[Link: www.walletpop.com...]

234 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:22am

re: #224 MandyManners

He'd just fall to pieces.

Like Patsy Cline?

235 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:34am

re: #226 Walter L. Newton

But please be sure to pitch a fit if someone suggests in a comment on this blog that Zawahiri gets taken out. You should report your own comment for advocating violence.

236 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:25:19am

re: #229 J.S.

I agree, fixing is definitely needed...(by the way, I hear that these types, once convicted typically wind up in a Super Max prison -- I've read about these places -- it's solitary confinement -- no sound, no talking, no interaction with other human beings, along with 24 hour surveillance -- the United Nations has complained about Super Max prisons...this could be Hasan's fate...Some allege it's worse than death.)

I know, we have the most famous one about 50 miles from where I live. Nice place, great for picnics in the summer. :)

237 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:25:34am

re: #230 laZardo

Well, I wasn't suggesting "we should all get along." I just figured that life in solitary would be a better punishment for someone so obsessed with death as he is.

And how the hell was I calling the shootings a "positive?"

Simple question... are you for the death penalty?

238 KenJen  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:25:51am

re: #224 MandyManners

He'd just fall to pieces.

ROFLMAO! Oh sh*t my ass just fell off.

239 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:26:08am

re: #208 J.S.

Lieberman made some excellent points the other day...I believe he's calling for an investigation. (On Anderson Cooper a fellow classmate in a graduate course on environmental health detailed what was going on in the classroom with this Hasan fellow -- just unbelieveable. There apparently was another student who reported Hasan's behavior, saying the guy was a "ticking time bomb." And what did the instructors do? nothing, of course. Someone -- based on these allegations -- certainly dropped the ball here...)

A key U.S. senator called Sunday for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs that the man accused of opening fire at Fort Hood had embraced an increasingly extremist view of Islamic ideology.

Sen. Joe Lieberman's call came as word surfaced that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan apparently attended the same Virginia mosque as two Sept. 11 hijackers in 2001, at a time when a radical imam preached there. Whether Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, associated with the hijackers is something the FBI will probably look into, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Classmates participating in a 2007-2008 master's program at a military college complained repeatedly to superiors about what they considered Hasan's anti-American views. Dr. Val Finnell said Hasan gave a presentation at the Uniformed Services University that justified suicide bombing and even told classmates that Islamic law trumped the U.S. Constitution.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:26:18am

re: #207 thedopefishlives

I'd say the appropriate punishment would be to force him to endure our decadent 21st-century lifestyle as the "infidels" enjoy it. Put on cable TV, fill his jail cell with racks of racy magazines, have his food and water administered by a beautiful and uncovered female guard. Eventually, his head will explode.

Do that to me please.

241 Mike DeGuzman  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:26:54am

re: #215 Sharmuta

I always hope for karmic justice and that they will be reincarnated in their next life as a muslim woman.

Even better give him a sex change and make him a woman and give him to his iman in Yemen

242 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:28:03am

re: #241 Mike DeGuzman

Even better give him a sex species change and make him a woman goat and give him to his iman in Yemen

243 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:28:04am

re: #233 Mad Al-Jaffee

This is nice to see. Three restaurant chains are offering free meals to veterans and members of the military.

[Link: www.walletpop.com...]

cool.
John Hinderaker and Joe Trippi are joining forces to support our veterans.
Nice.

244 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:28:23am

Hey Morning Lizards!

Well, I'm officially old. I got an iPhone and I still haven't made a phone call from it. I did manage a text message yesterday.

How are you-all?

245 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:29:00am

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do that to me please.

You and every other guy on this blog. The difference between us and guys like him is, we'd actually enjoy it.

re: #228 MandyManners

If I actually thought he was anything resembling a normal, healthy male (or would eventually become such), I wouldn't have suggested it.

246 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:29:53am

re: #225 MandyManners

Hot shot.

What's that? (It's not work-safe, is it?)

247 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:30:37am

re: #246 FrogMarch

What's that? (It's not work-safe, is it?)

I think she means the bug spray.

248 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:30:38am

re: #246 FrogMarch

What's that? (It's not work-safe, is it?)

Lethal injection.

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:31:38am

re: #244 ggt

Well, I'm officially old. I got an iPhone and I still haven't made a phone call from it. I did manage a text message yesterday.

WTF stands for "Why the face".

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:31:49am

re: #248 MandyManners

Lethal injection.

Oops. Me wrong.

251 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:32:10am

catha later

gotta do the housework. blah.

252 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:32:16am

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

Yes, but not for criminals that want to die. Executing their type just doesn't seem that much like a punishment.

JS' idea in #229 is more of what I was suggesting earlier, and let the UN complain all they want, that guy still murdered innocent people in cold blood.

253 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:32:31am

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

An investigation is most certainly warranted as to all the signs missed by his superiors, contemporaries, and odd behaviors, statements, and actions in the runup to the attack last week. Reports indicating that Hasan wanted to contact AQ should have caused great big red flags to go up among all those who were directly responsible for Hasan, and that if Hasan had expressed doubts about the US mission - combining that sentiment with his apparent desire to violate the oaths taken in joining the US Army (protect and defend the US Constitution), by affiliating with a mortal enemy of the US, then action was definitely warranted.

There are apparently communications breakdowns between all those who had relevant information and those who would have to act on it; his commanding officers and fellow soldiers who thought something was amiss.

254 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:32:41am

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WTF stands for "Why the face".

Really, is that what you tell your kids?

I thought it meant something else. Wrong again.

:)

255 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:32:49am

re: #184 iceweasel

No, I think the strip club issue actually is quite revealing of the underlying theocratic misogynist impulse there-- they go look at 'decadent' western values in action and tell themselves that these are the infidels or whatever that deserve death-- doubtless also yanking their crank over it at the same time. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they had lap dances etc as well. Total hypocrisy.

Misogynistic - yes. Madness, yes. What is it with these muslim extremists hiding behind their religion and then disobeying that religion hours before they kill people? I don't have any idea what is going on in their crazy minds.

256 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:32:54am

re: #243 FrogMarch

cool.
John Hinderaker and Joe Trippi are joining forces to support our veterans.
Nice.

the Korean War Memorial pic in that reminds me when I saw it...midnight, nobody around...dim lights shine up from under ground on a squad walking along...you can walk around and between them...very moving

257 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:33:04am

re: #235 Sharmuta

But please be sure to pitch a fit if someone suggests in a comment on this blog that Zawahiri gets taken out. You should report your own comment for advocating violence.

You have a point, and I will report that. I did go over the top. Agree.

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:34:06am

re: #253 lawhawk

PC run amok?

259 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:34:26am

re: #248 MandyManners

Lethal injection.

ah.

260 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WTF stands for "Why the face".

Accoring to South Park, it stands for Wrestling Takedown Federation.

261 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:10am

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

You have a point, and I will report that. I did go over the top. Agree.

Sharm... I reported my comment. It could have been taken that way since we have been discussing the death penalty.

262 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:16am

re: #260 Mad Al-Jaffee

Accoring to South Park, it stands for Wrestling Takedown Federation.

I think that is more like it!

:)

263 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:20am

Good morning, all. I see the conversation is already at a level that my brain activity has yet to catch up with, per usual.

264 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:25am

What if he had not done this, had gone to Afghanistan and then become a spy for the enemy?

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WTF stands for "Why the face".

Saw that this morning on a new sitcom. "Modern Family".

For those of you who watch TV? Funny as hell.

266 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:39am

re: #260 Mad Al-Jaffee

Accoring to South Park, it stands for Wrestling Takedown Federation.

In video games, it stands for Work Time Fun!

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:36:01am

Maybe someone knows this answer. When taken to Supermax prison, do they blindfold them on the way in?

268 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:37:10am

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

But wishing Hasan to be reincarnated as an islamic woman is not over the top.

/nuance

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:37:24am

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe someone knows this answer. When taken to Supermax prison, do they blindfold them on the way in?

Can they build a special cell, so that no matter which direction you are facing you are facing away from Mecca?

270 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:37:43am

re: #252 laZardo

Yes, but not for criminals that want to die. Executing their type just doesn't seem that much like a punishment.

JS' idea in #229 is more of what I was suggesting earlier, and let the UN complain all they want, that guy still murdered innocent people in cold blood.

And, if we start trying to get into the head of criminals like that, and sentence according to if they want to die or not, then I suspect we would have a lot more of these idiots claiming that they want to be killed, just to save their ass.

271 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:37:59am

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe someone knows this answer. When taken to Supermax prison, do they blindfold them on the way in?

Does Supermax hold military prisoners?

272 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:38:10am

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

I was prepared for a fight. You never cease to surprise me, Walter.

273 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:38:35am

President Obama appearing Sunday in the Rose Garden to call on senators to “take up the baton and bring this effort to the finish line.”

so it's a race...against growing criticism

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:39:02am

re: #271 MandyManners

Does Supermax hold military prisoners?

Was just a general question. Seems a security precaution.

275 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:39:18am

re: #256 albusteve

the Korean War Memorial pic in that reminds me when I saw it...midnight, nobody around...dim lights shine up from under ground on a squad walking along...you can walk around and between them...very moving

I've seen the memorials during the day, sharing them with many tourists. Sounds like you found the best way to experience them.

276 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:39:40am

re: #271 MandyManners

Does Supermax hold military prisoners?

I thought military prisoners went to Ft. Leavenworth.

277 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:39:56am

re: #264 MandyManners

What if he had not done this, had gone to Afghanistan and then become a spy for the enemy?

He was really unhinged. Between the whacko rhetoric and the what he must have encountered as an Army psychiatrist his mind was assaulted on all sides. Add to that, a "weak" or otherwise compromised mind, it's a recipe for psychosis. Unfortunately, in this case the psychosis came in the form of extreme violence.

I think we might learn a lot about the mindset of other terrorists and, perhaps be better able to intercept and treat those who are at risk.

I'm normally all for the death penalty in such cases unless I see a reason to keep the person alive for the benefit of society. In this case, I think we could learn from him.

The whole thing is sad.

278 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:40:12am

From the Islamofascist Imam Al Awlaki, who conducted Hasan's mother's funeral:

Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing
November 9, 2009 - الاثنين 22 ذو القعدة 1430 by Anwar alAwlaki
Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier. The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges.
Nidal opened fire on soldiers who were on their way to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. How can there be any dispute about the virtue of what he has done? In fact the only way a Muslim could Islamically justify serving as a soldier in the US army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal.
The heroic act of brother Nidal also shows the dilemma of the Muslim American community. Increasingly they are being cornered into taking stances that would either make them betray Islam or betray their nation. Many amongst them are choosing the former. The Muslim organizations in America came out in a pitiful chorus condemning Nidal’s operation.
The fact that fighting against the US army is an Islamic duty today cannot be disputed. No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut proofs that Muslims today have the right -rather the duty- to fight against American tyranny. Nidal has killed soldiers who were about to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in order to kill Muslims. The American Muslims who condemned his actions have committed treason against the Muslim Ummah and have fallen into hypocrisy.
Allah(swt) says: Give tidings to the hypocrites that there is for them a painful punishment –
Those who take disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do they seek with them honor [through power]? But indeed, honor belongs to Allah entirely. (al-Nisa 136-137)
The inconsistency of being a Muslim today and living in America and the West in general reveals the wisdom behind the opinions that call for migration from the West. It is becoming more and more difficult to hold on to Islam in an environment that is becoming more hostile towards Muslims.
May Allah grant our brother Nidal patience, perseverance and steadfastness and we ask Allah to accept from him his great heroic act. Ameen


[Link: www.anwar-alawlaki.com...]

*barf*
*spit*

279 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:40:26am

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was just a general question. Seems a security precaution.

Why the need for a blindfold? Supermax is as secure as they come.

280 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:40:52am

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can they build a special cell, so that no matter which direction you are facing you are facing away from Mecca?

That's gonna be tricky. You can't just reverse the guide arrow they have in those cells because then they'd still be facing Mecca going across the International Date Line instead of GMT.

Maybe rotate it 90 degrees to the center? Then they'd be facing Santa.

281 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:40:55am

re: #271 MandyManners

US military prisoners are generally detained in US military prisons, and those with sentences five years or longer (or commissioned officers) are sent to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth, KS.

282 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:41:09am

re: #271 MandyManners

Does Supermax hold military prisoners?

Didn't they talk about sending some of the Gitmo detainees there?

283 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:41:15am

re: #277 ggt

I really don't give a flying fuck about his mental state. He CHOSE TO KILL THOSE PEOPLE.

284 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:41:19am

re: #239 MandyManners
Anderson Cooper's CNN transcript (for Nov. 6):

COOPER: Some troubling clues, though, are already emerging, as I just said. I talked earlier today with a former classmate -- classmate of Hasan, Dr. Val Finnell. They were in a master's of public health program in Bethesda a couple years ago. Finnell says he saw plenty of red flags during the time he knew Hasan.
COOPER: Dr. Finnell, you took a class with Major Nidal Malik Hasan in 2007, 2008. What was he like? What was the first you noticed him?

FINNELL: Well, you know, we were in a master's degree program together. And he was a very outspoken opponent of the war on terror.
And he even equated the American war on terror with a war on Islam. And...
COOPER: That's what he said it was; he said it was a war against Islam?
FINNELL: Yes, he did.

COOPER: In what context did he say this?

FINNELL: He said it in a -- in a classroom environment, as part of a -- a presentation he was supposed to give in an environmental health class, a presentation that really didn't have anything to do with environmental health, yet, he proceeded to go ahead and do it.

COOPER: So, wait a minute. You guys are in an environmental health class, which I guess the kind of presentations most people would be give about, I don't know, mold or something.

FINNELL: Mold, ozone, yes, exactly, air quality, those kind of things.

COOPER: And, so, he gave a presentation instead on -- on the war on terror?

FINNELL: Exactly.
COOPER: Did that strike you as odd?
FINNELL: Very odd. And we were taken aback by that. And, in fact, I and several other people raised their hand at the end of that -- during that presentation and -- and openly questioned the instructor, and said, what does this have to do with environmental health?
And yet, you know, he was -- he continued to let him present his -- his topic.
COOPER: What kind of a guy was he? I mean, was that the -- was that the first time you had sort of had a sense of him?
FINNELL: Yes. That was really the -- because it was one of the first classes in the curriculum that we took. And so that was really the first experience that I had with those views, which -- but those views were a large part of his personality for the entire year.

And he would, you know, routinely get into discussions and arguments with people, you know, made himself a lightning rod for -- for that kind of criticism. COOPER: So, that's interesting. You're saying he -- he made himself a lightning rod, because, yesterday, you know, the first reports that we had from -- from a family member of his, a cousin of his, said that he felt that he was a victim of some sort of anti- Muslim harassment.
Did you see anything like that?
FINNELL: No, no. As a matter -- you know, our class was a very diverse class, people from many different backgrounds.
But, you know, Dr. Hasan made it a point to -- to be very vocal in his beliefs. He was very extreme in his views. And -- and, since he was a military officer, you know, he was questioned about those things. So, he sort of brought the criticism upon himself.

COOPER: Was one able to have conversations with him that did not involve this? Or, I mean, how vocal, how -- I don't know if militant is the right word, but how vocal was he throughout the course of this year?

FINNELL: Well, he was very vocal. You know, he talked about other things, of course. But this was -- this was a big topic for him. It was a dominating topic for him. I mean, he even did try to do his end-of-the-year project on something related to, you know, a climate survey on Muslims in the military.

So, it was a large part of what -- what his whole year was about there.
COOPER: I mean, I imagine -- I don't know if you or other people must kind have kind of been curious. It's not every day you see a guy in uniform who seems to be so against U.S. policy or against the -- the -- what the military is something.
FINNELL: Yes, that's -- that's exactly

285 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:41:27am
286 jaunte  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:41:40am

re: #276 MandyManners

Detained in the supermax facility in Colorado are Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993; Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; Ahmed Ressam, of the Dec. 31, 1999, Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate President George W. Bush; and Wadih el-Hage, convicted of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

287 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can they build a special cell, so that no matter which direction you are facing you are facing away from Mecca?

Actually, I don't find all this "humor" about punishment to be much better than sitting around the arena shouting "off with his head."

We have modern laws which takes human rights into consideration, and all these suggestions about torturous alternatives is base, in my opinion.

This is serious.

I hope, if he is guilty, that he receives the maximum sentence, whatever that is deemed to be.

But this is really not funny.

288 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:41:55am

re: #281 lawhawk

US military prisoners are generally detained in US military prisons, and those with sentences five years or longer (or commissioned officers) are sent to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth, KS.

So, he would go to Ft. Leavenworth.

289 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:42:06am

re: #270 Walter L. Newton

And, if we start trying to get into the head of criminals like that, and sentence according to if they want to die or not, then I suspect we would have a lot more of these idiots claiming that they want to be killed, just to save their ass.

Point. Unfortunately, good psychiatrists are rather sparse in an increasingly-PC environment.

290 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:42:26am

re: #279 MandyManners

Why the need for a blindfold? Supermax is as secure as they come.

psychological reasons--to further isolate the prisoner.

291 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:42:38am

re: #276 MandyManners

I thought military prisoners went to Ft. Leavenworth.

They do, we have the blind sheik in Super Max here in Colorado, and I believe Terry McNichols is also here.

292 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:42:56am

re: #275 FrogMarch

I've seen the memorials during the day, sharing them with many tourists. Sounds like you found the best way to experience them.

everyone should see the Mall and side streets deep into the night...hardly any traffic, no people...all the famous stuff lit up, pretty cool...I was armed tho

293 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:43:24am

re: #288 MandyManners

So, he would go to Ft. Leavenworth.

Here is a SuperMax list...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

294 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:43:50am

re: #284 J.S.

He loved to shove it down others' throats, didn't he?

295 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:44:06am

re: #283 MandyManners

I really don't give a flying fuck about his mental state. He CHOSE TO KILL THOSE PEOPLE.

I don't either...his mental state was exactly what he acted out...murderous revenge

296 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:44:08am

re: #283 MandyManners

I really don't give a flying fuck about his mental state. He CHOSE TO KILL THOSE PEOPLE.

Anyone that chooses to murder these people definitely, certainly is fucked in the head.

297 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:44:48am

re: #290 ggt

psychological reasons--to further isolate the prisoner.

Supermax has 23/7/365 isolation.

298 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:45:15am

re: #285 Conservative Moonbat

Teabaggers think Jews should "stop whining" about the "Hollowcaust"

Stunning.

Sickening.

299 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:45:17am

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

They do, we have the blind sheik in Super Max here in Colorado, and I believe Terry McNichols is also here.

They are not military prisoners. They're prisoners of the federal government.

300 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:45:39am

re: #141 Mad Al-Jaffee

I can haz venison burger?

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can they build a special cell, so that no matter which direction you are facing you are facing away from Mecca?

You could paint a helpful arrow on the floor, pointing the wrong way.

Oddly, this is what's done in hotel rooms all over the Middle East. They really do put an arrow in the rooms indicating the direction to face when praying. And the arrows really do point in apparently random directions, according to a survey done a few years ago.

301 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:45:59am

re: #299 MandyManners

They are not military prisoners. They're prisoners of the federal government.

I know, I was just passing on some info, fyi.

302 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:46:56am

re: #294 MandyManners

He seemed to be flaunting his extremism...almost daring someone to contradict it.

303 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:47:06am

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can they build a special cell, so that no matter which direction you are facing you are facing away from Mecca?

Would that be considered cruel and unusual punishment?

304 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:47:42am

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

I know, I was just passing on some info, fyi.

I know a bit about SuperMax and it's surroundings.

305 jaunte  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:48:23am

re: #303 Sharmuta

For taxpayers, yes.

306 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:48:53am

re: #304 MandyManners

I know a bit about SuperMax and it's surroundings.

Are you on that list?

307 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:48:58am

re: #297 MandyManners

Supermax has 23/7/365 isolation.

Yes, but going in in a hood is a great tactic. They don't even get to see the facility --no idea what is outside their cell door.

308 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:49:21am

re: #302 J.S.

He seemed to be flaunting his extremism...almost daring someone to contradict it.

And everyone seemed to ignore him. The link in my No. 239 says that classmates repeatedly complained about him to their superiors.

309 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:49:49am

re: #300 SixDegrees

You could paint a helpful arrow on the floor, pointing the wrong way.

Oddly, this is what's done in hotel rooms all over the Middle East. They really do put an arrow in the rooms indicating the direction to face when praying. And the arrows really do point in apparently random directions, according to a survey done a few years ago.

Ack - my quoting got badly effed up. I loathe IE.

This was in response to FBV's post.

310 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:49:50am

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

Are you on that list?

HA! Yes, I'm posting from Florence, Colorado, in a secure location.

311 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:50:17am

re: #307 ggt

Yes, but going in in a hood is a great tactic. They don't even get to see the facility --no idea what is outside their cell door.

That *might* be considered cruel and unusual.

312 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:50:18am

re: #308 MandyManners

And everyone seemed to ignore him. The link in my No. 239 says that classmates repeatedly complained about him to their superiors.

Everyone is so afraid of being non-PC. It's scary.

313 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:50:25am

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

Are you on that list?

She must be the Warden.

314 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:51:10am

re: #313 laZardo

She must be the Warden.

Beware of Warden Mandy and her ClueBAT!

315 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:51:53am

re: #313 laZardo

She must be the Warden.

Now that would be cruel and unusual punishment.
/

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:52:29am

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

Life in Fort Leavenworth is what I am expecting.

317 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:52:30am

re: #314 ggt

Beware of Warden Mandy and her ClueBOT!

318 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:52:38am

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I don't find all this "humor" about punishment to be much better than sitting around the arena shouting "off with his head."

We have modern laws which takes human rights into consideration, and all these suggestions about torturous alternatives is base, in my opinion.

This is serious.

I hope, if he is guilty, that he receives the maximum sentence, whatever that is deemed to be.

But this is really not funny.

And, fucking with his religious beliefs would be un-American. No matter how despicable someone is, the government cannot violate their rights under the First Amendment.

319 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:52:55am

re: #313 laZardo

She must be the Warden.

Wanna' see my big keys?

320 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:53:06am

re: #305 jaunte

For taxpayers, yes.

I'm just thinking of the field day a lawyer would have with that. They'd probably win too.

321 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:53:06am

re: #308 MandyManners

Yeah. The Anderson Cooper transcript was a snippet (the last bit was truncated...) Here's the last bit:

FINNELL: Yes, that's -- that's exactly correct.

And, you know, military officers take an oath to uphold the Constitution and to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So, you have to wonder, if someone is this conflicted, what was he doing as a military officer?

COOPER: Did -- I mean, did his rhetoric ever concern you? Did you ever think, like, I should talk to somebody about this, or is somebody noticing this?

FINNELL: At times. And I know another student actually approached the faculty about him and -- and called him a ticking time bomb. [emphasis added]

COOPER: Really?

FINNELL: And that -- you know, that student was concerned because of a PowerPoint presentation that Dr. Hasan gave in the human behavior class which justified suicide bombing.

COOPER: Wait. He actually gave a PowerPoint presentation in a class justifying suicide bombing?

FINNELL: That's what I understand.

COOPER: You understand that from, what, another student has told you that?

FINNELL: Yes, from another student, exactly.

COOPER: When -- when you heard he was a suspect in the Fort Hood attack, what went through your mind?

FINNELL: Well, I was shocked. You know, I was shocked that these things happen. But, also, at the same time, I really was not surprised, given -- given his rhetoric.

COOPER: It's got to be a sickening feeling to have had this interaction with him years ago, and to know that other people had the same kind of thoughts and raised questions...

FINNELL: Yes.

322 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:53:26am

re: #319 MandyManners

Wanna' see my big keys?

In bed.

323 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:53:49am

re: #318 MandyManners

And, fucking with his religious beliefs would be un-American. No matter how despicable someone is, the government cannot violate their rights under the First Amendment.

This right here is what separates us from such countries as Iran, Saudi Arabia and the former Soviet Union.

324 jaunte  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:54:24am

re: #322 Sharmuta

In bed.

Witnesses...

325 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:54:32am

Against this background, the Democrats' relatively liberal policies on cultural issues don't seem to have much appeal, as was plain in Virginia. Certainly not enough to bring many young voters to the polls. Obama posters and T-shirts are no longer selling well, and chants of "hope and change" now seem dated.

regarding republicans...

The challenge for them is to come up with policies that they can argue will enable young Americans to choose their future — policies that will again produce the bounteous economic growth that provides opportunities for work that can be productive, creative and satisfying.

[Link: www.creators.com...]

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:54:54am

bbl

327 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:54:58am

re: #321 J.S.

Some people's hides need to be nailed to the wall.

328 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #324 jaunte

I'm never going to get tired of that.

329 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:56:57am

re: #328 Sharmuta

I'm never going to get tired of that.

Bed witnesses?

330 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:57:50am

re: #329 ggt

Bed witnesses?

Better than bed wetnesses.

331 jaunte  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:57:50am

re: #327 MandyManners
Our religious freedoms should not be used an excuse to let a military officer turn himself into a traitor to his country with abundant witnesses standing around watching it happen.

332 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:58:21am

re: #327 MandyManners

(I believe that if these allegations are borne out, there should be civil suits launched...It's outrageous that this level of incompetence of the instructors should be tolerated. A human behavior class and you allow a student to give a power-point presentation glorifying suicide bombers?; or an environmental health class and the presentation is on the War on Terror/Muslims?)

333 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:58:38am

Based on a few of President Obama’s statements, this was not a particularly good week for the administration. In a disturbing pattern, we are beginning to learn far more about Obama in his impromptu moments, in periods of national crisis, or in off-the-record reported bantering, than in his set teleprompted speeches. Consider some of the things the President said the past week—and then imagine what he might have said.

VDH...on fire, as usual

334 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:58:53am

re: #285 Conservative Moonbat

Teabaggers think Jews should "stop whining" about the "Hollowcaust"

Stunning.

This is exactly why the Tea Parties should have spoken out against neo-Nazis recruiting at Tea Parties. By saying nothing they essentially hung out the welcome sign for these creeps.

335 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:58:56am

re: #329 ggt

It's a Stacy McCain joke.

336 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:59:05am

re: #331 jaunte

Our religious freedoms should not be used an excuse to let a military officer turn himself into a traitor to his country with abundant witnesses standing around watching it happen.

He's allowed to spout off about his beliefs BUT the military should have stuck an electron microscope up his butt when he talked of violence.

337 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:59:40am

re: #323 MandyManners
So ...can we take him where the First Amendment will not apply?
Oh ...wait...;-)

338 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:59:55am

re: #332 J.S.

(I believe that if these allegations are borne out, there should be civil suits launched...It's outrageous that this level of incompetence of the instructors should be tolerated. A human behavior class and you allow a student to give a power-point presentation glorifying suicide bombers?; or an environmental health class and the presentation is on the War on Terror/Muslims?)

Where these military instructors? Can a member of the military/survivors thereof sue over this?

339 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:00:43am

re: #331 jaunte

Our religious freedoms should not be used an excuse to let a military officer turn himself into a traitor to his country with abundant witnesses standing around watching it happen.

While I agree, I have to wonder what the alternative is? How can we screen for these people without grossly infringing on the rights?

Although in this case there were signs and concerns probably weren't documented.

Is there a "policy" for what an individual is to do when they suspect a terrorists. Obviously reporting the person to "officials" in a school doesn't work. Doesn't the FBI have an online form one can submit?

I have a feeling that if the FBI had a clue what this guy was doing in the classroom, they would have had a file on him.

340 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:01:05am

re: #337 reloadingisnotahobby

So ...can we take him where the First Amendment will not apply?
Oh ...wait...;-)

Just follow due process. Then, carry out the sentence.

341 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:01:57am

re: #318 MandyManners

And, fucking with his religious beliefs would be un-American. No matter how despicable someone is, the government cannot violate their rights under the First Amendment.

My point.

342 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:02:47am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

This is exactly why the Tea Parties should have spoken out against neo-Nazis recruiting at Tea Parties. By saying nothing they essentially hung out the welcome sign for these creeps.

My thoughts on teabagging: What happens in video games stays in video games.

343 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:04:07am

BTW ,,, anyone remember these people??

Iran charges three detained Americans with espionage

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Hillary ,,, Bueller,,, Bueller

344 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:04:16am

I saw on that List of Supermax inmates that Walter posted that a majority oof them are those were terrorists of some kind--White Nationalists & Jihadi's.

Both of these groups attract young men of (I think) the same profile. Those needing a "group" to belong to --to feel they are part of a greater good.

How do we get to these young men before they commit? I'd like to save the lives of their victims.

345 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:04:47am

re: #338 MandyManners

the graduate-level courses were taken at some school in Bethesda, Maryland...(I'm assuming it was under the auspices of the US miltary...I don't know if the relatives of the survivors can sue -- but, it sure seems just, if they were able to do so...)

346 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:06:12am

re: #345 J.S.
Who were the Instructors??
Ward Churchill??
FU%^ !!

347 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:06:31am

re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think Joe Liberman is the only person to actually call it terrorism.

Everyone else is acting like, so long as he isn't carry his al-Qaeda membership card, he isn't a terrorist.

348 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:06:57am

re: #344 ggt

I saw on that List of Supermax inmates that Walter posted that a majority oof them are those were terrorists of some kind--White Nationalists & Jihadi's.

Both of these groups attract young men of (I think) the same profile. Those needing a "group" to belong to --to feel they are part of a greater good.

How do we get to these young men before they commit? I'd like to save the lives of their victims.

we can't, unless they do something to expose themselves, like this recent killer

349 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:07:56am

re: #346 reloadingisnotahobby

And to think that this bozo, Hasan, must have received passing grades...(o brother.)

350 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:08:11am

ggt- this is where the "witnesses" joke started:

Your citation repeats a common falsehood fostered by Signorile's erroneous 2003 column. For the record (a) I never contributed to the site "Reclaiming the South," which is operated by a white separatist named Dennis Wheeler with whom I quite strongly disagreed, and (b) I have neither any personal nor political interest in the marital preferences of others, have many friends of all races, some of whom are of mixed ancestry and some of whom are in mixed marriages. These are facts, to which there are witnesses.

-Stacy

351 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:08:31am

re: #345 J.S.

the graduate-level courses were taken at some school in Bethesda, Maryland...(I'm assuming it was under the auspices of the US miltary...I don't know if the relatives of the survivors can sue -- but, it sure seems just, if they were able to do so...)

Even if the instructors were civilians, I would reckon that they were covered by governmental immunity.

352 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:08:41am

re: #350 Sharmuta

ggt- this is where the "witnesses" joke started:

-Stacy

I missed the RSM joke's origin too. Greenheart'd for reference.

353 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:08:49am

re: #348 albusteve

we can't, unless they do something to expose themselves, like this recent killer

They start with Nation of Islam...Find that they are not militant or commited enough...and go down hill from there...Maybe?

354 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #347 The Sanity Inspector

Everyone else is acting like, so long as he isn't carry his al-Qaeda membership card, he isn't a terrorist.

Didn't we have this discussion the other day?

Is he a terrorist or just a really sick person?

I was interacting with a young salesperson the other day and the topic came up--the salesperson was under the impression that they stories this guy heard from returning vets pushed him over the edge. It was if he felt sorry for him --that he couldn't handle the job of being a psychiatrist.

I was wondering if it was PC gone too far or if this is the mindset of the youth? Always giving the benefit of the doubt.

355 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:09:40am

re: #347 The Sanity Inspector

Everyone else is acting like, so long as he isn't carry his al-Qaeda membership card, he isn't a terrorist.

word games...terrorism, hate crime...whatever, what difference does it make?

356 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:10:31am

re: #354 ggt

Didn't we have this discussion the other day?

Is he a terrorist or just a really sick person?

I was interacting with a young salesperson the other day and the topic came up--the salesperson was under the impression that they stories this guy heard from returning vets pushed him over the edge. It was if he felt sorry for him --that he couldn't handle the job of being a psychiatrist.

I was wondering if it was PC gone too far or if this is the mindset of the youth? Always giving the benefit of the doubt.

Thank the MFM and fucking PC, touchy-feely public school system.

357 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:10:42am

re: #343 sattv4u2

It's not like they're the only ones being held by the Iranians either. The Alaei brothers are also being held, having been convicted by a kangaroo court for seeking to overthrow the government.

The mullahs are clearly enjoying tweaking the President and his Administration.

Meanwhile, anyone else catch the fact that Tom Friedman finally has realized the futility of a peace process when one of the parties to the process has no intention of ever seeking peace? Well, that may be overstating things just a bit, but he thinks the peace process is dead. Welcome to the party pal.

358 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:10:42am

re: #353 reloadingisnotahobby

They start with Nation of Islam...Find that they are not militant or commited enough...and go down hill from there...Maybe?

we don't profile...not PC

359 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:10:53am

re: #351 MandyManners

hmm...it'll be interesting to see how this all works out...(personally, I know what I'd do with the "instructors." They'd be expelled, their teaching certificates/degrees revoked, and never, ever allowed inside a classroom again).

360 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:11:40am

re: #355 albusteve

I wonder if the media was confused about the "Allah Akbar"
before he started shooting??
That right there is a preaty good CLUE!!!

361 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:12:54am

re: #357 lawhawk

What about that former FBI officer who was providing security for a movie shoot in Iran? He's Jewish.

362 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:12:55am

re: #358 albusteve

We??
I profile!!
What kind of hunter would I be if I didn't!??

363 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:13:14am

re: #362 reloadingisnotahobby


I'd be a poacher!!

364 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:13:34am

re: #360 reloadingisnotahobby

I wonder if the media was confused about the "Allah Akbar"
before he started shooting??
That right there is a preaty good CLUE!!!

To my knowledge, that has been reported but has not been confirmed by the military.

365 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:14:42am

re: #348 albusteve

we can't, unless they do something to expose themselves, like this recent killer

I guess I'm thinking even more basic.

Identifying the "loner" boys in school and encouraging them to get more involved in some club or team. Same with church and family gatherings. Getting them out of themselves and feeling like they are part of the larger community --so they aren't susceptible to the fringe.

I wonder if all the emphasis on girls and "women's empowerment" in the last couple of decades hasn't left some young men out of the loop.

Just some of the random thoughts floating around my brain right now.

366 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:14:50am

re: #357 lawhawk

THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Heh,,,LOVE his opening line
The Israeli-Palestinian peace process has become a bad play
"HAS BECOME!"

Tommy ,,, HAS BEEN for decades !

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:15:02am

Can the victims' families sue for wrongful death if the military didn't stop this guy when they should have?

368 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:15:23am

re: #359 J.S.

hmm...it'll be interesting to see how this all works out...(personally, I know what I'd do with the "instructors." They'd be expelled, their teaching certificates/degrees revoked, and never, ever allowed inside a classroom again).

All I know is that his fellow students reported it to their superiors (see No. 239). I don't know what that means.

369 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:15:42am

re: #364 MandyManners

Local radio(Utah) had a father tell of his conversation with his daughter who was standing next to a MURDERED Soldier !
10 ft from the shooter!
I believe her!

370 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:15:58am

re: #364 MandyManners

News outlets are reporting it as fact, including the NYT:

Six hours later, Major Hasan walked into a processing center at Fort Hood where soldiers get medical attention before being sent overseas. At first, he sat quietly at an empty table, said two congressmen briefed on the investigation.

Then, witnesses say, he bowed his head for several seconds, as if praying, stood up and drew a high-powered pistol. “Allahu akbar,” he said — “God is great.” And he opened fire. Within minutes he had killed 13 people.

371 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:17am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Can the victims' families sue for wrongful death if the military didn't stop this guy when they should have?

I don't think servicemembers or their survivors can sue the military.

372 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:22am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Can the victims' families sue for wrongful death if the military didn't stop this guy when they should have?

I doubt it. It's really tough to sue the military.

373 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:24am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Not sure, but I would guess sovereign immunity would get in the way.

374 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:48am

re: #364 MandyManners

CNN this morning interviewed the eye witness who (tentatively believes) he heard the assailant shout "allahu akbar". (the eyewitness was also shot.) The media was reluctant to report this because military authorities didn't confirm it...(the military doesn't want to cause/create an anti-Muslim backlash.)

375 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:57am

re: #364 MandyManners

To my knowledge, that has been reported but has not been confirmed by the military.

what...they need a tape recording?...either he did, or he didn't and more than one person said he did I think...the again,what difference does it make?...he could scream "gung ho! muther fuckers!"...same result

376 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:57am

re: #367 Sharmuta

377 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:17:04am

re: #369 reloadingisnotahobby

Local radio(Utah) had a father tell of his conversation with his daughter who was standing next to a MURDERED Soldier !
10 ft from the shooter!
I believe her!

I do, too, but, until it is confirmed by the military or law enforcement, it cannot be treated as "fact".

378 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:17:40am

re: #370 lawhawk

News outlets are reporting it as fact, including the NYT:

Witnesses say it but, have authorities confirmed it?

379 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:17:48am

re: #376 reloadingisnotahobby

WTF happened there...
Hasn't worked with DUI victims I'm aware of...

380 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:18:34am

re: #368 MandyManners

At graduate school, you have a "supervisor" -- these "supervisors" are the people who oversee your obtaining an advanced degree.

381 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:18:40am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Can the victims' families sue for wrongful death if the military didn't stop this guy when they should have?

bad idea...that would require instructors to be analysts

382 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:18:43am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Can the victims' families sue for wrongful death if the military didn't stop this guy when they should have?

Not sure, but it could open a can of worms we may not want to touch

Someone could extrapolate "wrongful death" as any death while in service.
What about training accidents if a piece of equipment was faulty. COuld be argued that the instructors didn't take all due diligence

383 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:19:38am

re: #380 J.S.

At graduate school, you have a "supervisor" -- these "supervisors" are the people who oversee your obtaining an advanced degree.

The article refers to superiors, not supervisors.

384 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:20:37am

re: #380 J.S.

At graduate school, you have a "supervisor" -- these "supervisors" are the people who oversee your obtaining an advanced degree.

Are they a chain of command? ARe they they administrators who handle the nut and bolt stuff --personnel issues, toilet paper needed in the bathroom, harrassment?

385 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:20:38am

re: #383 MandyManners

The article refers to superiors, not supervisors.

The word "superior" brings to mind a very formal chain of command.

386 laZardo  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:20:47am

Headin' to bed. G'night.

387 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:21:00am

re: #384 ggt

GMTA.

388 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:21:54am

The brutal massacre of thirteen unarmed soldiers and the wounding of dozens more at Fort Hood, Texas is another terrorist act on American soil that could have been prevented if not for an insidious cloud of political correctness that has taken this country hostage.

Bob Weir at AT

389 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:21:55am

re: #387 MandyManners

GMTA.

I've noticed a lot of the young people I know, have NO idea about the concept of "chain of command".

390 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:22:37am

re: #385 MandyManners
Then again...He was a Superior...a Maj..
Hard to go spreading who suspicions about an Officer..I'd think!

391 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:23:42am

re: #379 reloadingisnotahobby

WTF happened there...
Hasn't worked with DUI victims I'm aware of...

Most certainly establishments that over-serve people alcohol are opened to wrongful death suits. I know this not only as a former employee in the liquor industry, but also as the plaintiff in a wrongful death suit involving alcohol. I won.

392 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:23:56am

re: #389 ggt

I've noticed a lot of the young people I know, have NO idea about the concept of "chain of command".

Of course not. They're not fully entrenched in corporate culture yet.

393 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:12am

re: #390 reloadingisnotahobby

Then again...He was a Superior...a Maj..
Hard to go spreading who suspicions about an Officer..I'd think!

If he had been sexually harassing students --what procedure would they follow? Who would they report it to?

Wouldn't it be the same for this situation?

394 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:19am

re: #390 reloadingisnotahobby

Then again...He was a Superior...a Maj..
Hard to go spreading who suspicions about an Officer..I'd think!

I don't think he was a major at the time.

395 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:20am

re: #392 MandyManners

Of course not. They're not fully entrenched in corporate culture yet.

Their rude awakening will come soon enough.

396 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:25:34am

re: #395 thedopefishlives

Their rude awakening will come soon enough.

Ha! And, yes, it will be a RUDE awakining.

No fun with cell phones while working, no weird hair or jewelry . . .

397 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:25:47am

re: #391 Sharmuta
I was refering to Judges and or courts that allow multiple offenders to drive again..
And,Very sorry for your loss Sharm...

398 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:26:13am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

This is exactly why the Tea Parties should have spoken out against neo-Nazis recruiting at Tea Parties. By saying nothing they essentially hung out the welcome sign for these creeps.

Do comments on some blog constitute a welcome sign by the GOP for holocaust deniers?

399 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:26:56am

This month I have identified 27 examples of Muslim violence in 10 countries resulting in 118 deaths and 268 injuries ranging from a 33 year old man being stoned to death in Somalia for adultery to the rampage in TX killing 13 and injuring 31.

Although that is terrible, to keep it in perspective, during 2007-08 almost 8500 Mexicans were executed by the drug cartels. And in Chicago in 2008 there were over 500 murders.

I wanted to point this out due to a post I made last week suggesting Muslims may want to reconsider their faith because of the violence being perpetuated by Muslims around the world. Sharmuta suggested I try to put in perspective.

In so doing I must admit that Muslims certainly do not have a monopoly on violence because clearly violence is a propensity of man.

Yet this muddles the mind, how do you compare the Taliban brutally shooting to death two female school teachers in Pakistan because they are women who have the nerve to teach girls, to gang violence in Chicago or a Federal judge being executed in Mexico for attempting to uphold the law.

In the end maybe it is not the quantity of violence that makes the violence committed by Islamist so reprehensible, but their effort to morally justify it.

400 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:27:00am

re: #395 thedopefishlives

Their rude awakening will come soon enough.

As it does to many.

401 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:27:17am

re: #394 MandyManners

Really?
That's how the news refered to him as soon as they released his name!
I could be wrong...but not likely!;')

402 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:28:00am

re: #384 ggt

No these are academic supervisors who oversee your program (make sure you're on track..etc.) Every graduate school (as much as I'm aware) uses supervisors. I'm wondering who was Hasan's academic supervisor?

403 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:28:46am

re: #402 J.S.

No these are academic supervisors who oversee your program (make sure you're on track..etc.) Every graduate school (as much as I'm aware) uses supervisors. I'm wondering who was Hasan's academic supervisor?

And why the students didn't go to the proper chain of authority to report the incidents?

404 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:28:56am

re: #399 filetandrelease

Excellent!

405 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:29:38am

re: #378 MandyManners

As of the 6th, Gen. Cone said that the Army had not confirmed Hasan said Allahu Akbar.

Other reports are indicating that law enforcement is investigating connections between radical imam Awlaki and Hasan. Awlaki has gone on the record as championing Hasan's actions and that those Muslims who denounce Hasan are betraying their fellow Muslims. Awlaki was an imam at a mosque where two of the 9/11 hijackers prayer prior to the attacks.

406 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:29:46am

re: #399 filetandrelease

Well said!

407 ggt  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:30:50am

It's time for my morning nap. The Recliner, the dogs and the cat say so.

Have a great day all!

408 dugmartsch  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:30:57am

re: #113 Frogmarch

I'm reporting you to the politically correct sensitivity police.
This poor muslim was a victim. It's our fault. The sooner you realize that the sooner you will learn to love our new government run health insurance program. Where glorious Single Payer is just 10 years away!

I think it's important to both be worried about how this guy came to go so long giving off warning signs all over the place and be worried that we might alienate the Muslims in our response who want to help us and are critical to our success in stamping out radical Islam.

If you want to call that 'Being PC' that's cool i'll take the hit if it serves the interests of our country. These interests are in tension, no doubt, but they are not mutually exclusive.

409 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:31:15am

re: #401 reloadingisnotahobby

Really?
That's how the news refered to him as soon as they released his name!
I could be wrong...but not likely!;')

I was speaking about the time he spent in that class in 2007-2008. IIRC, he was given a promotion rather recently.

410 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:31:25am

re: #405 lawhawk

they shoulds share a cell...Sounds like they already were "cell"mates...

411 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:31:34am

re: #403 ggt

What makes you think the students didn't make complaints appropriately? According to the Anderson Cooper transcript, students were reporting this to the Faculty members. Yet nothing,apparently, was done. And, obviously, it isn't the students' job to oversee other students.

412 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:31:54am

re: #409 MandyManners

Ah! Got it!

413 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:32:05am

re: #397 reloadingisnotahobby

Thanks.

As far as liquor establishments are concerned though, this is why bars, restaurants and liquor stores refuse service. It's our butt in the sling if a drunk person ends up killing themselves or others because of the alcohol we'd served them.

414 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:32:23am

re: #405 lawhawk

As of the 6th, Gen. Cone said that the Army had not confirmed Hasan said Allahu Akbar.

Other reports are indicating that law enforcement is investigating connections between radical imam Awlaki and Hasan. Awlaki has gone on the record as championing Hasan's actions and that those Muslims who denounce Hasan are betraying their fellow Muslims. Awlaki was an imam at a mosque where two of the 9/11 hijackers prayer prior to the attacks.

I hope he stays in Yemen.

415 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:33:18am

re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar

People rooted for the deer. I would have rooted for the lions.

At least it was a deer and not some nutburger human this time.

416 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:33:34am

re: #398 Spare O'Lake

Do comments on some blog constitute a welcome sign by the GOP for holocaust deniers?


No but the ADL put out a press release about neo-Nazis recruiting at Tea Parties. None of the Tea Party leadership, bloggers or pundits denounced the neoNazis or made an attempt to keep them out. White Nationalists are a welcome addition to the Tea Party movement.

417 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:33:47am

re: #256 albusteve

the Korean War Memorial pic in that reminds me when I saw it...midnight, nobody around...dim lights shine up from under ground on a squad walking along...you can walk around and between them...very moving

Funny story about that memorial. When I was stationed at the 5 sided wind-tunnel, I used to jog around the monuments. One foggy morning I ran past the Lincoln and was trying to figure out who those guys where all standing in the early morning fog. Kinda weird until I realized (duh) that it was the Korean Memorial!

418 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:34:40am

re: #399 filetandrelease

Good stats, filet! Not knowing how you collected such data I realize there must have been some logistical limitations. I suspect the "Muslim violence" might be higher if you were to look at local police records of Muslim countries as I'm sure there have been cases of "Muslim [inspired] violence" that have been not so "spectacular" to gain international attention.

419 Mike DeGuzman  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:35:33am

re: #367 Sharmuta

Can the victims' families sue for wrongful death if the military didn't stop this guy when they should have?

No they can't. It's call the Ferris Doctrine.
Amazingly, the Ferris Doctrine, which is a 1950s Supreme Court decision that basically does not allow military members while on active service or their family members, who have injuries as a result of active service in the military, from being able to sue the government.

420 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:36:02am

re: #419 Mike DeGuzman

Thanks!

421 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:36:21am

re: #388 albusteve

The brutal massacre of thirteen unarmed soldiers and the wounding of dozens more at Fort Hood, Texas is another terrorist act on American soil that could have been prevented if not for an insidious cloud of political correctness that has taken this country hostage.

Bob Weir at AT

Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead?

422 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:36:50am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

No but the ADL put out a press release about neo-Nazis recruiting at Tea Parties. None of the Tea Party leadership, bloggers or pundits denounced the neoNazis or made an attempt to keep them out. White Nationalists are a welcome addition to the Tea Party movement.


To bad you never went to one to see how "welcome" they were. In Atlanta and another in a northern suburb, Ron Paul signs and confederate flag posters were ignored. There weren't hordes of people gathering around the holders of those signs listening to what they had to say, taking fliers, ect
Fire Hydrants were getting more attention. At least people could sit on them and take a rest!

423 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:38:48am

re: #418 bosforus

The internet is an amazing resourse. It is sometimes difficult to verify the accuracy of infomation, but here I was looking for a general quantity analysis.

424 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:39:05am

re: #9 ausador

Cube, Cube2, and Cube Zero were all great movies.

Other than that, no clue what that site is about.

425 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:39:14am

re: #419 Mike DeGuzman

What about graduate schools and incompetent instructors?

426 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:41:03am

re: #425 J.S.

What about graduate schools and incompetent instructors?

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Unemployed Woman sues college for Tuition.

427 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:41:06am

re: #357 lawhawk

It's not like they're the only ones being held by the Iranians either. The Alaei brothers are also being held, having been convicted by a kangaroo court for seeking to overthrow the government.

The mullahs are clearly enjoying tweaking the President and his Administration.

Whatever happened to those lost hikers who were arrested by the Iranians? click, clickety... Ah, they've just been charged with espionage.

428 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:41:08am

re: #422 sattv4u2


To bad you never went to one to see how "welcome" they were.


The Paulians are the leadership of the Tea Parties. It's been well established. The rally at the capitol was lead by Paulian disciple Michelle Bachman. There's a reason why signs about the Rothschilds show up. This is not a coincidence.

429 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:41:35am

re: #399 filetandrelease

I really appreciate you looking into that after our conversation, and I agree with your assessment.

430 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:42:37am

re: #428 Killgore Trout

The Paulians are the leadership of the Tea Parties. It's been well established. The rally at the capitol was lead by Paulian disciple Michelle Bachman. There's a reason why signs about the Rothschilds show up. This is not a coincidence.

Too bad you didn't read and/ or understand what I posted


Oh well

431 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:42:47am

re: #426 gregb

(well, I suspect that one will be thrown out...)

432 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:42:49am

re: #421 Mad Al-Jaffee

Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead?

he's a pundit now...Micky Hart posts there too

433 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:43:00am

re: #429 Sharmuta

I really appreciate you looking into that after our conversation, and I agree with your assessment.

Thank you, I must admit, the number of killings by the drug cartels was a bit of a surprise.

434 Mike DeGuzman  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:43:09am

re: #425 J.S.

What about graduate schools and incompetent instructors?

Since they are technically part of the Army, it would be very hard to sue them.

435 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:43:16am

re: #423 filetandrelease

The internet is an amazing resourse. It is sometimes difficult to verify the accuracy of infomation, but here I was looking for a general quantity analysis.

Most definitely. I used to have about 20 Google Alerts with terms related to suicide bombings, ied's, things like that, trying to keep up with everything. I completely understand.

436 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:43:33am

re: #399 filetandrelease

In the end maybe it is not the quantity of violence that makes the violence committed by Islamist so reprehensible, but their effort to morally justify it.

Excellent point.

Speaking of morally reprehensible, the Westboro Church folks are in the DC area to protest outside schools including the one the Obama girls go to.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Ugh and...ugh.

437 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:44:06am

re: #431 J.S.

(well, I suspect that one will be thrown out...)

Closer to home, there is a grad student who has sued the university three times to prevent from being thrown out for not making progress.

///That's a good way to win friends and influence people--to sign your dissertation.

438 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:44:12am

re: #399 filetandrelease

[...]
In the end maybe it is not the quantity of violence that makes the violence committed by Islamist so reprehensible, but their effort to morally justify it.

Right. Under American and Mexican law, gang-banging and judicial assassination are against the law. Under the terrorists' interpretation of Sharia, slaying infidels is the law.

439 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:44:15am

Oops

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
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Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan tried to make contact with people linked to al Qaeda.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

440 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:44:37am

re: #433 filetandrelease

Thank you, I must admit, the number of killings by the drug cartels was a bit of a surprise.

Indeed- it's a shocking number. And that's just the Mexican cartel?

441 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:45:14am

re: #436 webevintage

Excellent point.

Speaking of morally reprehensible, the Westboro Church folks are in the DC area to protest outside schools including the one the Obama girls go to.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Ugh and...ugh.

Well, if they're looking for trouble, going to the president's kids' school is definitely going to get the job done. Wack-o's!

442 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:45:47am

re: #427 The Sanity Inspector

Whatever happened to those lost hikers who were arrested by the Iranians? click, clickety... Ah, they've just been charged with espionage.

I loved the reporting of their behavior too..."We're supposed to be here!" Kind of reinforces that stereotype about American tourists.

443 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:46:06am
444 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:46:35am

re: #436 webevintage

Excellent point.

Speaking of morally reprehensible, the Westboro Church folks are in the DC area to protest outside schools including the one the Obama girls go to.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Ugh and...ugh.

It seems Islam doesn't even have a monopoly on moral reprehensibleness.

445 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:46:42am

re: #399 filetandrelease

well, of course, one would have to know just how you came up with the 10 countries? what criteria did you use? (one could, for example pick ten countries which have zero or under 1 percent Muslims -- I'm not saying you did this, but clearly this could be done to "cook the stats").

446 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:46:50am

I'm back. My 7 year old daughter got her shot and didn't cry. Tough kid.

:)

447 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:47:04am

re: #434 Mike DeGuzman

That's unfortunate.

448 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:47:09am

re: #438 The Sanity Inspector

Right. Under American and Mexican law, gang-banging and judicial assassination are against the law. Under the terrorists' interpretation of Sharia, slaying infidels is the law.

That's the most concise summation of the problem I've seen recently.

449 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:47:35am

re: #439 Walter L. Newton

Er, ok, someone posted this a few hours ago up thread.

450 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:47:53am

re: #440 Sharmuta

Yes, and just in Mexico. It doubled in 2008 over 2007. From over 2500 to over 5000.

451 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:48:13am

re: #443 The Sanity Inspector

Free The Hikers

///I wonder if Iran will obey the Geneva convention for non-uniformed, non-combatants they claim are spies.

452 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:48:14am

re: #439 Walter L. Newton

Oops

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan tried to make contact with people linked to al Qaeda.

You know the guy here in Little Rock who shot the 2 soldiers outside that recruitment office had been on someones radar since a trip to Somlia(?) but was lost in the shuffle or just not considered to be of that much interest. Its be awhile since there has been any news on his case.

453 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:48:36am

Well, Hasan is now talking after having his respirator removed. No doubt that investigators will want to question him intently on his motives, what he said, did, etc., as they piece together the events on the base that day and in the days, weeks, and months leading up to the attack.

454 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:48:40am

re: #438 The Sanity Inspector

Right. Under American and Mexican law, gang-banging and judicial assassination are against the law. Under the terrorists' interpretation of Sharia, slaying infidels is the law.

Excellent point.

455 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:48:51am

re: #446 NJDhockeyfan

I'm back. My 7 year old daughter got her shot and didn't cry. Tough kid.

:)

They'll brave a lot of ouchies if there's a lollipop waiting for them at the end.

456 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:49:39am

re: #450 filetandrelease

Yes, and just in Mexico. It doubled in 2008 over 2007. From over 2500 to over 5000.

We had to abandon our summer house right on the best surf break in all of Baja due to mexican drug gangs. They just kind of took it over. You can't really show up on weekends and kick them out.

457 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:50:27am

re: #455 The Sanity Inspector

They'll brave a lot of ouchies if there's a lollipop waiting for them at the end.

She was happy with a Snoopy band-aid and a coloring book.

458 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:51:02am

re: #455 The Sanity Inspector

They'll brave a lot of ouchies if there's a lollipop waiting for them at the end.

Same for me. But, make it a bottle of Basil Hayden's.

459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:51:29am

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

Doesn't hurt to see it twice. If it's not re-posted, people can miss it.

460 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:52:32am

re: #445 J.S.

I don't think Filet is cooking the stats. He(?) looked into the numbers because I suggested that drug cartels had a similar amount of blood on their hands as islamists, and Filet took me up on that and looked into it and I appreciate that. If anything, Filet would have reason to get a higher number on the islamist than what was cited. Although- even I am surprised to learn the amount of deaths to which the cartels are responsible.

461 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:52:45am

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

She was happy with a Snoopy band-aid and a coloring book.

:D Mine wouldn't take her band-aid off for two days.

462 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:53:02am

re: #456 gregb

We had to abandon our summer house right on the best surf break in all of Baja due to mexican drug gangs. They just kind of took it over. You can't really show up on weekends and kick them out.

Betcha that wasn't awkward.
Sooo, you guys using our house for drugs and stuff? ...cool. Enjoy!
Sorry to make light. That seriously sucks.

463 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:54:36am

re: #450 filetandrelease

Yes, and just in Mexico. It doubled in 2008 over 2007. From over 2500 to over 5000.

Wow. I'm sure if you looked into the numbers in Columbia, we'd find the numbers to be similar, perhaps worse.

464 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:55:33am

re: #460 Sharmuta

I don't think Filet is cooking the stats. He(?) looked into the numbers because I suggested that drug cartels had a similar amount of blood on their hands as islamists, and Filet took me up on that and looked into it and I appreciate that. If anything, Filet would have reason to get a higher number on the islamist than what was cited. Although- even I am surprised to learn the amount of deaths to which the cartels are responsible.

it is a massive problem down there...it could even topple the Mexican govt...federalies move around in company sized units setting traps and making busts...it's on the magnitude of a small civil war, and the ruthless druggies stand and fight to the death

465 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:56:19am

re: #458 MandyManners

Same for me. But, make it a bottle of Basil Hayden's.

The whole bottle?? Wow. I like the lights, but I tend to the B's. Blanton's, Bernheim's (Wheat), or George T. Stagg (only if mixed).

466 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:56:50am

re: #460 Sharmuta

Yes. I'm not saying the poster "cooked the stats." I am saying, however, that if you don't know why 10 countries were chosen, and others countries were not, then you cannot draw any conclusions whatsoever. (GIGO). (btw, it's extremely difficult to make certain kinds of "comparisons" -- fraught with difficulties...)

467 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:57:00am

re: #456 gregb

That is so sad.

468 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:57:44am

re: #462 bosforus

Betcha that wasn't awkward.
Sooo, you guys using our house for drugs and stuff? ...cool. Enjoy!
Sorry to make light. That seriously sucks.

It was in 1999--well before any of the stuff was newsworthy.

It's more like, "Ummm...oops. Wrong house."

469 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:58:15am

re: #465 gregb

The whole bottle?? Wow. I like the lights, but I tend to the B's. Blanton's, Bernheim's (Wheat), or George T. Stagg (only if mixed).

I'm a Basil woman. That stuff is smoother than a baby's bottom.

470 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:58:52am

re: #467 filetandrelease

That is so sad.

It's not so bad. Two kids and 3 startups later, I haven't had any time to surf. Sometimes the memory is better that real life.

471 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:59:12am

re: #469 MandyManners

I'll have to give it a try. Not a big fan of bottoms, but...

472 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:59:34am

re: #470 gregb

It's not so bad. Two kids and 3 startups later, I haven't had any time to surf. Sometimes the memory is better that real life.

Did you get your money back?

473 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:59:50am

re: #469 MandyManners

I'm a Basil woman. That stuff is smoother than a baby's bottom.

I like something that growls when you drink it

474 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:59:50am

re: #471 gregb

I'll have to give it a try. Not a big fan of bottoms, butT...


ftfy

475 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:00:02am

re: #460 Sharmuta

The drug cartels are engaging in all kinds of carnage throughout Latin America and extending into the US as well. They are definitely a scourge. That doesn't minimize the violence and brutality seen among the Islamists either. If anything, the separating factor between the Islamists and the drug cartels is the abject brutality and misogyny engaged in by the Islamists. The drug cartels engage in a "it's a business thing" when going after those who infringe on their business murdering their rivals and even Mexican police when they get in the way, while the Islamists will stone adulterers, kill those who they think are apostate, and will engage in wanton mass murder (like various suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan for the sake of advancing their cause in the name of jihad.

The Islamists justify their actions by relying on the Koran; a religious edict demanding their violence - jihad.

Moreover, the drug gangs aren't exactly engaging in suicide attacks - their minions want to keep living to enjoy the fruits of their violence (money, guns, etc.) while the jihadi is content with blowing themselves up in seemingly random attacks around the world against a wide range of targets. The targets in the drug war are knowable - police, other drug cartels, etc.

The jihad targets anyone who isn't in the jihad along with them (and even some who are) - with the Islamists declaring those who die heroes and martyrs for the cause.

476 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:00:10am

re: #470 gregb

It's not so bad. Two kids and 3 startups later, I haven't had any time to surf. Sometimes the memory is better that real life.

Have you tried surfing in Costa Rica? Awesome, almost as good as the fishing.

477 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:00:10am

re: #473 albusteve

I like something that growls when you drink it

I dated a woman that did that!

478 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:00:21am

re: #472 MandyManners

For which?

479 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:00:33am

re: #473 albusteve

I like something that growls when you drink it

Well, I've been known to growl when drinking.

480 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:00:47am

I can't believe I just said that.

481 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:01:19am

re: #478 gregb

For which?

The house.

482 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:01:36am

re: #480 MandyManners

I can't believe I just said that.


Not me.

483 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:03:43am

re: #481 MandyManners

The house.

House is worthless. It's the land lease that's valuable. It was 25 years into a 99 year lease that was abandoned. I feel sorry for the poor slob who comes to collect--hey you haven't been paying your lease. It was right on the edge of two owned properties. One half was owned by a rich family in Northern Baja. The other half was owned by the state government.

It was a disaster waiting to happen. Public corruption versus private corruption versus each other. That's not something you want to be in the crossfire for...

484 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:04:10am

re: #477 sattv4u2

re: #480 MandyManners

You know each other?

485 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:04:20am

re: #466 J.S.


The countries were a coincidence of the violence.

486 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:05:40am

re: #483 gregb

House is worthless. It's the land lease that's valuable. It was 25 years into a 99 year lease that was abandoned. I feel sorry for the poor slob who comes to collect--hey you haven't been paying your lease. It was right on the edge of two owned properties. One half was owned by a rich family in Northern Baja. The other half was owned by the state government.

It was a disaster waiting to happen. Public corruption versus private corruption versus each other. That's not something you want to be in the crossfire for...

I love America.

487 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:05:44am

re: #485 filetandrelease

oookay...

488 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:06:14am

re: #484 Walter L. Newton

re: #480 MandyManners

You know each other?

HA! I don't think so.

489 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:06:14am

re: #475 lawhawk

The drug cartels are engaging in all kinds of carnage throughout Latin America and extending into the US as well. They are definitely a scourge. That doesn't minimize the violence and brutality seen among the Islamists either. If anything, the separating factor between the Islamists and the drug cartels is the abject brutality and misogyny engaged in by the Islamists. The drug cartels engage in a "it's a business thing" when going after those who infringe on their business murdering their rivals and even Mexican police when they get in the way, while the Islamists will stone adulterers, kill those who they think are apostate, and will engage in wanton mass murder (like various suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan for the sake of advancing their cause in the name of jihad.

The Islamists justify their actions by relying on the Koran; a religious edict demanding their violence - jihad.

Moreover, the drug gangs aren't exactly engaging in suicide attacks - their minions want to keep living to enjoy the fruits of their violence (money, guns, etc.) while the jihadi is content with blowing themselves up in seemingly random attacks around the world against a wide range of targets. The targets in the drug war are knowable - police, other drug cartels, etc.

The jihad targets anyone who isn't in the jihad along with them (and even some who are) - with the Islamists declaring those who die heroes and martyrs for the cause.

the cartels have killed informants, police chiefs, mayors, editors, all sorts of regional officials by the score...and one thing the have in common with jihadis...decapitation, and mutilation is very popular...I saw a picture on the net of dozens of body parts strewn about in piles...extremely gruesome

490 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:07:06am

re: #477 sattv4u2

I dated a woman that did that!

sometime you have to splash a little water on those types

491 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:07:54am

re: #480 MandyManners

I can't believe I just said that.

I was there, remember?...probably not

492 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:08:09am

re: #490 albusteve

sometime you have to splash a little water on those types

Just keep it out of my Basil.

493 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:08:31am

Oookay. bbiab

494 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:09:16am

re: #479 MandyManners

Well, I've been known to growl when drinking.

ftfy ;)

495 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:09:33am

Good morning lizards!

496 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:09:49am

re: #475 lawhawk

First- I don't disagree with a single thing you said.

The reason the cartels came up in conversation last week between Filet and I was because Filet said islamists were the most bloody force on earth (I'm paraphrasing, so if I'm misrepresenting Filet, my apologies- I'm working off memory). I suggested there were other groups that were engaged in violence that would rival the islamists, and Filet took me up on that offer to look into the numbers. This comparison was meant only in terms of numbers- not a comparison of reasoning. There is none, imo, and in fact it's easier for me (personally) to understand killing in the name of money than it is to kill in the name of religion. I obviously condemn both.

497 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:10:00am

I'm probably the only person who first thought of Mexican cartels upon hearing about the shootings at Ft. Hood. I had just been reading this:

A medic from Holloman Air Force Base may have been attempting to treat wounded victims in a shooting when he was targeted and killed by gunmen inside a Juárez strip club, a friend of the airman said.

Staff Sgt. David Booher, 26, was among six men killed just after midnight Wednesday in the Amadeus strip club, Chihuahua state police and Holloman Air Force Base officials said. Booher was with the 49th Fighter Wing.

Booher is the first active member of the U.S. military known to have been to be killed in Juárez since a drug cartel war began in January 2008 [...]

But it would have made more sense at Ft. Bliss than at Ft. Hood. Hard to control your "first thought" when you hear things like that.

498 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:10:28am

re: #489 albusteve

the cartels have killed informants, police chiefs, mayors, editors, all sorts of regional officials by the score...and one thing the have in common with jihadis...decapitation, and mutilation is very popular...I saw a picture on the net of dozens of body parts strewn about in piles...extremely gruesome

Southern Poverty Law Center wil probably call you 'nativist' now for pointing that out...

499 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:10:55am

Speaking of comparative stats, always an immensely fasciniating topic, Carnegie Mellon just published a Death Risk Rankings...(can also be used in comparative analysis of health care programs re: Europe vs U.S.) See the Tutorials.

500 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:11:41am

I'm just wondering if the fact that Hasan was not looked at more closely was because there is just not enough troops, not enough medical officers, too many guys being deployed over and over again, so no one is going to be allowed to leave if their superiors do not think they are a threat, or may be more willing to look the other way while saying a prayer under their breath.

That's the reality of waging two wars in an era without a draft.

501 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:11:53am

re: #497 wrenchwench

I'm probably the only person who first thought of Mexican cartels upon hearing about the shootings at Ft. Hood. I had just been reading this:

But it would have made more sense at Ft. Bliss than at Ft. Hood. Hard to control your "first thought" when you hear things like that.

Ft. Hood is pretty ghetto, it overflows from Killeen. Lots of rapes and burglary etc. Not sure about gangs *in* fort hood though.

502 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:12:10am

re: #497 wrenchwench

I'm probably the only person who first thought of Mexican cartels upon hearing about the shootings at Ft. Hood. I had just been reading this:


But it would have made more sense at Ft. Bliss than at Ft. Hood. Hard to control your "first thought" when you hear things like that.

You're not the only one. That was mine as well given the recent stories of the cartel paying soldiers to be hitmen across the border.

503 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:12:48am

re: #501 Pepper Fox

Ft. Hood is pretty ghetto, it overflows from Killeen. Lots of rapes and burglary etc. Not sure about gangs *in* fort hood though.

Your local perspective is invaluable. I appreciate it.

504 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:13:27am

re: #498 Fenway_Nation

Southern Poverty Law Center wil probably call you 'nativist' now for pointing that out...

I do smoke a peace pipe, now and then

505 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:13:49am

Defiant communists mark anniversary of Russian Revolution

Tens of thousands of Communists on Saturday turned out in Russia to mark the anniversary of the 1917 October Revolution, shrugging off the Kremlin's cancellation of the day as a national holiday.

Waving red hammer-and-sickle flags, thousands marched down Tversyaka Street in central Moscow to hold a meeting by the statue of Karl Marx close to the Bolshoi Theatre.

Some 154,000 people were expected to turn out across Russia for demonstrations marking the revolution while 10,800 members of the security forces were to be on hand to keep order, reported Agence France-Presse quoting Interfax news agency.

According to Interfax the leader of the far-left party Left Front Sergei Udaltsov and up to 20 of his activists were detained after the meeting but otherwise the rally appeared to pass peacefully amid a heavy police presence.

506 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:13:59am

re: #500 webevintage

I'm just wondering if the fact that Hasan was not looked at more closely was because there is just not enough troops, not enough medical officers, too many guys being deployed over and over again, so no one is going to be allowed to leave if their superiors do not think they are a threat, or may be more willing to look the other way while saying a prayer under their breath.

That's the reality of waging two wars in an era without a draft.

And of course it never crossed your mind that perhaps nobody wanted to touch it because they would have been labeled an Islamaphobe

nope ,,, that COULDN'T enter into it

Nuh uh ,,, no way ,,, not at all!

507 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:14:51am

re: #497 wrenchwench

I'm probably the only person who first thought of Mexican cartels upon hearing about the shootings at Ft. Hood. I had just been reading this:

But it would have made more sense at Ft. Bliss than at Ft. Hood. Hard to control your "first thought" when you hear things like that.

Count me in. I thought of it as well as a possibility, but it was not a strong one in my mind.

508 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:15:06am

re: #489 albusteve

Americans on or near the border are next. Firefights are going to spill over.

509 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:15:36am

re: #436 webevintage

Excellent point.

Speaking of morally reprehensible, the Westboro Church folks are in the DC area to protest outside schools including the one the Obama girls go to.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Ugh and...ugh.

God Hates Quakers?

510 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:16:10am

re: #502 CommonCents

You're not the only one. That was mine as well given the recent stories of the cartel paying soldiers to be hitmen across the border.

Or, in this case, to make a hit on this side of the border:

EL PASO -- Three men accused in the May slaying of a midlevel Juárez cartel member in East El Paso have been indicted on capital-murder charges.

Jose Daniel Gonzalez-Galeana, 37, was shot and killed outside his home in the 1300 block of Pony Trail in East El Paso.

According to court records made public Thursday, a grand jury indicted Ruben Rodriguez-Dorado, 31, whom police accuse of planning the hit; Army Pfc. Michael Jackson Apodaca, 18, the alleged shooter; and Christopher Andrew Duran, 17, the alleged getaway driver.

Police have also arrested two others in connection with Gonzalez-Galeana's death, a 16-year-old boy whose name has not been released, and Orlando Rafael Benavente, 31.

511 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:16:24am

re: #509 Mad Al-Jaffee

God Hates Quakers?

But I love Quakers :C they are such good parrots, cute too.

512 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:16:54am

re: #506 sattv4u2

And of course it never crossed your mind that perhaps nobody wanted to touch it because they would have been labeled an Islamaphobe

nope ,,, that COULDN'T enter into it

Nuh uh ,,, no way ,,, not at all!

And you would be wrong since that has also crossed my mind.

513 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:17:32am

I forgot to post this last week, Gutfeld on Hollywood's cowardice when it comes to Islam.

My favortie line from it begins, "And as my guinea pig Captain Whiskers might say..."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:18:16am

re: #506 sattv4u2

Nah.

515 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:18:16am

re: #512 webevintage

And you would be wrong since that has also crossed my mind.

Yet you went a different way.

516 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:18:17am

re: #509 Mad Al-Jaffee

God Hates Quakers?

I suspect God loves the Quakers.
It's the Westboro bunch that seems to hate everybody except themselves.

517 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:18:31am

OPEN BORDERS!

518 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:18:59am

re: #508 Rightwingconspirator

It's inevitable...but you know what will singlehandedly stop the Mexican narcocartels?

Stricter gun control laws here. I mean...it's not like the police and military are working on the sides of the cartels down there and they have access to any kinds of weapons in Mexico or anything. Apparently the Juarez cartels do all their shopping for heavy weaponry at Tom's Coin & Gun exchange.
///

519 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:19:30am

re: #479 MandyManners

Well, I've been known to growl when drinking.

in bed?

520 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:19:44am

re: #517 albusteve

OPEN BORDERS!

You're just begging to get down-dinged, aren't you?

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:19:55am

re: #516 reine.de.tout

I suspect God loves the Quakers.
It's the Westboro bunch that seems to hate everybody except themselves.

I'm guessing there is more than a little "self-hate" going on there.

522 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:20:43am

re: #513 Mad Al-Jaffee

I forgot to post this last week, Gutfeld on Hollywood's cowardice when it comes to Islam.

My favortie line from it begins, "And as my guinea pig Captain Whiskers might say..."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

It's true, it's aggrevating, yet very humorous. I love it.

523 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:21:15am

re: #517 albusteve

OPEN BORDERS!

What? Is your karma getting to big for you?

524 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:21:32am
525 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:22:08am

re: #520 bosforus

You're just begging to get down-dinged, aren't you?

it's true we ripped off Mexico for CA and the entire southwest, but that is so yesterday...

526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:22:54am

re: #525 albusteve

Oh. I thought you were sitting outside of a closed bookstore.

527 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:23:00am

re: #523 CommonCents

What? Is your karma getting to big for you?

I've never looked...I'm scared to

528 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:23:57am

re: #527 albusteve

I just did. You're at -1. Trust me.

529 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:24:04am

re: #525 albusteve

it's true we ripped off Mexico for CA and the entire southwest, but that is so yesterday...

Asi es la vida, cruel y jodida.

530 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:24:33am
531 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:24:36am

re: #528 CommonCents

I just did. You're at -1. Trust me.

re: #528 CommonCents

I just did. You're at -1. Trust me.

I deserve it

532 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:25:09am

There's only one way to stop the cartels, and no one wants to discuss it.

533 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:25:18am

re: #529 bosforus

Asi es la vida, cruel y jodida.

hasta la pizza to you too buddy

534 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:25:26am

re: #527 albusteve

You got a positive Karma -- in the thousands...

535 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:25:48am

re: #524 Killgore Trout

Right-Wing Unleashes Racism on Rep Cao

OOOooo...a think progress link. I'm impressed

/

536 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:25:59am

News Note:
iran plans to try three American hikers as spies.

The Reality:
this is "iran hostage crisis II."

Question:
Will the response by our leadership resemble that of jimmy carter?

The Fear:
Sadly, yes

537 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #532 Sharmuta

There's only one way to stop the cartels, and no one wants to discuss it.

Legalization of cocaine?

538 filetandrelease  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:26:02am

re: #532 Sharmuta

There's only one way to stop the cartels, and no one wants to discuss it.

Make them honest brokers?

539 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:26:12am

re: #531 albusteve

By the way, congrats on the 'Boys bouncing back against Philly. I was pleased the Buccaneers finally got one. Ironic it took the creamsicle uniforms to do it.

540 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:26:14am

re: #532 Sharmuta

There's only one way to stop the cartels, and no one wants to discuss it.

read 'Killing Pablo'...that's how you do it

541 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:26:44am

re: #532 Sharmuta

There's only one way to stop the cartels, and no one wants to discuss it.

I'm game. Bring a bigger junkyard dog to the fight?

542 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27:13am

re: #529 bosforus

Asi es la vida, cruel y jodida.

Wow, Google really drops the f-bomb on that translation. Where I learned that phrase, joder was not so strong.

543 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27:25am

re: #526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. I thought you were sitting outside of a closed bookstore.

He he... that was kinda of funny... well... a little... er, yea... lame really...

544 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27:31am

re: #537 MandyManners

Well, of course not. It's legalize all narcotics, legalize all opiate drugs.

545 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27:33am

re: #535 Fenway_Nation

Way to ignore the problem.
/

546 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27:41am

re: #536 _RememberTonyC

I was technically alive but don't remember that much from the Carter admin.

Yet this time last year, I somehow knew comparisons between him and 0bama would be inevitable yet adequate.

547 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27:59am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

The Martian landscape or alien art?

Mother Nature is the best artist in the universe.

548 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:12am

re: #535 Fenway_Nation

OOOooo...a think progress link. I'm impressed

/

Not tough when it's favorited!
/

549 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:18am

re: #532 Sharmuta

There's only one way to stop the cartels, and no one wants to discuss it.

Beer summit?

550 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:18am

re: #534 J.S.

You got a positive Karma -- in the thousands...

I don't want to know...seriously...I've never clicked my avatar or dinged anybody...I'm just a stripped down poster that only answers to Charles, maybe a couple others

551 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:36am

re: #549 NJDhockeyfan

Beer summit?

Who did you know? ;)

552 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:56am

re: #551 Sharmuta

CRAP! HOW did you know.

Need more coffee.

553 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:19am

re: #540 albusteve

read 'Killing Pablo'...that's how you do it

Looks like the movie is coming out in 2011. Sweeet.

554 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:24am

re: #545 Killgore Trout

Way to ignore the problem.
/

Yup,, because the ENTIRE "RIGHT WING" (as the headline states) is doing it

555 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:37am

re: #539 CommonCents

By the way, congrats on the 'Boys bouncing back against Philly. I was pleased the Buccaneers finally got one. Ironic it took the creamsicle uniforms to do it.

ahh!...the NFL!...Cowboys need to clean it up and play consistant...they made the Eagles look second rate...I hate the Eagles with a passion...PASSION!...if hate were a country I'd be China

556 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:41am

re: #532 Sharmuta

There's only one way to stop the cartels, and no one wants to discuss it.

I'm not sure where you are going with that, but I will enter my opinion. It's going to turn into arm conflict, between the US and the cartels.

In the vein of the open battles that you saw against US gangsters in the past.

557 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:31:01am

re: #483 gregb
Any beach south of the border is a hot zone if it has a landing strip...
That sucks!I used to fly down there years ago with friends who had a place!
Towed a big ass trailer down there for them in 1982?

558 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:31:42am

re: #545 Killgore Trout

I'll take thinkprogress seriously the instant you take Fox seriously, Killgore. not a nanosecond earlier.

559 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:32:26am

re: #553 CommonCents

Looks like the movie is coming out in 2011. Sweeet.

no shit?...really cool story, would make for a great movie

560 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:32:51am

re: #558 Fenway_Nation

I'll take thinkprogress seriously the instant you take Fox seriously, Killgore. not a nanosecond earlier.

But thinkprogress is so much more fair than Fox News.

//

561 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:33:14am

re: #559 albusteve

no shit?...really cool story, would make for a great movie

I went to google the book and the intellisense popped up "Killing Pablo Movie".

562 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:33:41am

re: #556 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure where you are going with that, but I will enter my opinion. It's going to turn into arm conflict, between the US and the cartels.

In the vein of the open battles that you saw against US gangsters in the past.

where's Elliott Ness when you need him?

563 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #560 NJDhockeyfan


And they refrain from using a broad brush, too!

//

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:34:22am

re: #543 Walter L. Newton

He he... that was kinda of funny... well... a little... er, yea... lame really...

(best Elvis)

Thank you. Thank you very much.

565 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:34:37am

re: #560 NJDhockeyfan

But thinkprogress is so much more fair than Fox News.

//

You mean this is not a fair and non-partisan group?

"The Center for American Progress is a liberal[1][2][3][4] public policy research and advocacy organization. Its website describes it as "... a nonpartisan research and educational institute dedicated to promoting a strong, just and free America that ensures opportunity for all."[5]

Its President and Chief Executive Officer is John Podesta, who served as chief of staff to then U.S. President Bill Clinton. Located in Washington, D.C., the Center for American Progress has a campus outreach group, Campus Progress, and a sister advocacy organization, the Center for American Progress Action Fund. Citing the significant number of its staff and former staff that have been appointed to positions in the Obama Administration, Time magazine recently declared that there is "no group in Washington with more influence at this moment in history."[6][7]"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

566 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:07am

re: #559 albusteve


Gotta wonder where it would be filmed, tho'.

Loved the book...still trying to figure out who exactly was behind Los Pepes.

567 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:08am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(best Elvis)

Thank you. Thank you very much.

That was your best?

568 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:18am

Just throwing this out here.
If you are a BSG geek we watched "The Plan" last night and it was a satisfying addition.
Cylons, things blow up...cool.

I need to save some cash up to buy the fraking set now and watch it all over again. That and The Wire set.

569 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:19am

re: #531 albusteve
OPEN BORDERS= OPEN SEASON!!
FTFY Steve!

570 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:29am

re: #542 bosforus

Wow, Google really drops the f-bomb on that translation. Where I learned that phrase, joder was not so strong.

Babelfish declined to translate it. Guess I'm going Google!

571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:32am

re: #567 Walter L. Newton

Kinda lame too, huh.

572 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:48am

re: #563 Fenway_Nation

And they refrain from using a broad brush, too!

//

Are we allowed to link to them?

573 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:57am

re: #556 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure where you are going with that, but I will enter my opinion. It's going to turn into arm conflict, between the US and the cartels.

In the vein of the open battles that you saw against US gangsters in the past.

Prohibition isn't working. That's where I was going.

574 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:36:31am

re: #561 CommonCents

I went to google the book and the intellisense popped up "Killing Pablo Movie".

read the book, really...Bowden is a terrific writer...he does not judge the 'irregularities' of the thing...Los Pepe's etc...just spells it out the way it went down

575 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:37:55am

re: #570 wrenchwench

Babelfish declined to translate it. Guess I'm going Google!

It's true because it rhymes.

576 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:38:02am

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

The Center for American Progress is classified as a 501(c)(3) organization under U.S. Internal Revenue Code. The institute receives approximately $25 million per year in funding from a variety of sources, including individuals, foundations, and corporations. From 2003 to 2007, the center received about $15 million in grants from 58 foundations. Major individual donors include George Soros, Peter Lewis, Steve Bing, and Herbert M. Sandler. The Center receives undisclosed sums from corporate donors.[5]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

577 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:38:05am

re: #566 Fenway_Nation

Gotta wonder where it would be filmed, tho'.

Loved the book...still trying to figure out who exactly was behind Los Pepes.

no one will ever know...it's just to dangerous to expose those guys, man they were ruthless

578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:39:04am

Day off. Watching "Five Easy Pieces".

Karen Black looks a lot like Charro! in this.

579 CommonCents  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:39:13am

re: #574 albusteve

read the book, really...Bowden is a terrific writer...he does not judge the 'irregularities' of the thing...Los Pepe's etc...just spells it out the way it went down

It's already in my Amazon queue. I can't wait until 2011 for the movie. Plus winter is coming fast, I'll have plenty of time to read.

580 Lidane  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:39:27am

re: #508 Rightwingconspirator

Americans on or near the border are next. Firefights are going to spill over.

Don't remind me. I'm originally from the border and still have family down there, in both Texas and Mexico.

I'm more worried about the cartels than I am about groups like Al Qaeda. Maybe it's just the proximity to danger, I don't know. But I can't help it. =/

581 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

The Center for American Progress (CAP) describes itself as "a nonpartisan research and educational institute" aimed at "developing a long-term vision of a progressive America" and "providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals."

Robert Dreyfuss reports in the March 1, 2004 edition of The Nation: "The idea for the Center began with discussions in 2002 between [Morton] Halperin and George Soros, the billionaire investor. … Halperin, who heads the office of Soros' Open Society Institute, brought [former Clinton chief of staff John] Podesta into the discussion, and beginning in late 2002 Halperin and Podesta circulated a series of papers to funders."

Soros and Halperin recruited Harold Ickes -- chief fundraiser and former deputy chief of staff for the Clinton White House -- to help organize the Center. It was launched on July 7, 2003 as the American Majority Institute. The name was changed to Center for American Progress (CAP) on September 1, 2003. The official purpose of the Center was to provide the left with something it supposedly lacked -- a think tank of its own.

582 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:40:51am

re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Day off. Watching "Five Easy Pieces".

Karen Black looks a lot like Charro! in this.

Can I have a side orders of toast?

583 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:41:24am

re: #581 MandyManners

At least they aren't Fox News.

584 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:41:38am

re: #573 Sharmuta

Prohibition isn't working. That's where I was going.

like I've said before (and you too)...pot will be legalized when it's politically expedient, not because it's the right thing to do

585 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:44:35am

I'm out like Sonny Liston

586 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:50:25am

re: #571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kinda lame too, huh.

On the subject of humor (and shameless self-promotion), this coming Friday, we open our Christmas show "It's a Wonderful Life: The Radio Play." It's like being in a radio studio in 1947 and having 5 actors (and one stage manager character - me) do all 125 voices of the characters from the movie and all the sound effects.

Dialog is almost verbatim from the movie. And the actors and myself pull off all the sound effects, just like in an old fashioned radio show (complete with jingle loaded commercials).

The script has no real directions in it as to what the director can do with the "actors" playing the radio station stars, so our director has built in some on stage conflicts and comedy going on between the "actors."

In some sense, the radio station "actors" start playing out some of the "conflicts" and comedy in the Wonderful Life story. Sort of like Art reflecting Art reflecting life.

As an example, when Potter offers George a cigar, one of the two female radio "actors" has some interesting playful ways to try to drive the "George" radio "actor" crazy. And the "actors" playing George and Mary are really falling in love.

Just let's say no one has seen this "It's a Wonderful Life Life" in this light. It's not that we are parodying the story, but when you have 2 hours 20 minutes of 6 people on stage doing a radio script, you have to give the audience something to look at. It's clever fun, and not too over the top.

And the actor play Clarence and all the other comedic voices is worth the price of a ticket.

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

587 J.S.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:58:37am

re: #584 albusteve

In British Columbia, they want to open medically supervised crack houses. The Globe and Mail had an editorial about how Smoking is a restricted substance, unless of course, you're smoking crack cocaine. (very, very odd times in which we live -- truly harmful substances are becoming legalized, while things like sugar are becoming regulated...very odd.)

588 simoom  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:13:10am

re: #150 NJDhockeyfan

Obama snubs Ft. Hood to relax at Camp David (updated)

Wow. Both American Thinker's Clarice Feldman and Dan Riehl are completely shameless in those posts. I especially like how Feldman updates with a sarcastic quip about Obama finally deciding to attend the memorial services, when that fact was announced days earlier than her tirade (that the President and the First Lady were attending the Fort Hood Memorial service and that he'd be delaying the start of his Asia trip, if necessary, to work within the bereaved families schedules).

re: #333 albusteve

Based on a few of President Obama’s statements, this was not a particularly good week for the administration. In a disturbing pattern, we are beginning to learn far more about Obama in his impromptu moments, in periods of national crisis, or in off-the-record reported bantering, than in his set teleprompted speeches. Consider some of the things the President said the past week—and then imagine what he might have said.

VDH...on fire, as usual

I think VDH has this backward. This week, both during and in the wake of a national trauma, has taught us a whole lot about the character of some of the CiC's political opposition. They've demonstrated that no tragedy is too great, and no time is too soon, during and after, to wield it as a partisan club to hammer political opponents with. In the aftermath they have gleefully, with no credible evidence, impugned the President's motives, his support of the military and even his patriotism.

589 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:59:02am

re: #517 albusteve

OPEN BORDERS!

According to Forbes.

[Link: www.forbes.com...]

590 gregb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:00:23am

re: #476 filetandrelease

Have you tried surfing in Costa Rica? Awesome, almost as good as the fishing.

I've been threatening to go surfing there for years, but the plans fell off. My wife wants to go there for her 40th. I doubt I'll get much surfing in.


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