Westboro Baptist Cult Pickets Obama Girls’ School

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The Westboro Baptist Church cult is notorious for their ultra-fundamentalist anti-gay stunts, but this one crosses another line for them — as they picket a school attended by the Obama children.

Westboro Baptist Church, the fringe-of-the-fringe anti-gay group famous for protesting at military funerals and claiming that God is punishing the country for its tolerance of homosexuality, was spotted this morning protesting outside Sidwell Friends, the school attended by Sasha and Malia Obama.

One of the cultists posted a photo on Twitter.

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:52:51pm

Self-loathing shits.

2 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:55:26pm

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Self-loathing shits.

That's no way to talk about shit.

3 kellygrrrl  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:56:09pm

Good Christian Loving Family Values on full display.

there's a special place in Hell for the hypocrites who use religion to mask hate

4 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:56:12pm

Proof God doesn't like you, He puts assholes like the Westboro Baptists on the Earth.

/

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:57:52pm

re: #4 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

That a new avatar? Fantastic!

6 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:58:13pm

"GOD IS YOUR ENEMY"

What a great message to put in front of children.

7 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:58:45pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

"GOD IS YOUR ENEMY"

What a great message to put in front of children.

just thinking that...oh boy

8 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:59:07pm

Shouldn't that sign read "God is my enemy"?

9 Baier  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:59:19pm

What horrible rotten stinking putrid disgusting creatures!

10 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:59:45pm

Inbreeding is not healthy.

11 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:59:55pm

re: #3 kellygrrrl

Good Christian Loving Family Values on full display.

there's a special place in Hell for the hypocrites who use religion to mask hate

Please don't mistake Westboro Baptist for anything resembling Christianity.

12 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:00:12pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That a new avatar? Fantastic!

Couple weeks old.

13 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:00:39pm

She spelled "Behead Those Who Insult Islam" wrong.

14 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:00:44pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

"GOD IS YOUR ENEMY"

What a great message to put in front of children.

Hi Sharm! The sign actually reads:

"YMENE RUOY SI DOG"

which is appropriate, as the moron in the picture is standing in front of a mirror.

15 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:00:49pm

re: #10 Eowyn2

Inbreeding is not healthy.

Family Reunions should not double as a singles mixer.

16 bj  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:00:51pm

What on earth can be this nutty group's justification for doing this? They don't have to like zero but leave his children alone. Feh!

17 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:01:28pm

re: #7 albusteve

I think it's a very bad message to send to children that God considers them to be enemies when it was Jesus who praised the faith of children and would not have them kept from Him. WTH is wrong with these people?

18 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:01:29pm

I can't help but think, once again, that sooner or later the 1st is gonna take a hit...maybe for something like this display of harmful idiocy...maybe we need a 500ft rule here

19 simoom  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:01:50pm

Acording to a link in the TPM article, it seems Randal Terry and Operation Rescue also decided the children's school was an appropriate place to hold one of their protests. Back in September:

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was released today by Randall Terry, Director, Operation Rescue Insurrecta Nex:

On Thursday, 9/17 and Friday 9/18, various pro-life groups will stage protests at high schools from Noon to 1:00 P.M., showing pictures of aborted and healthy babies - the same pictures Jim Pouillon was showing when he was gunned down.

One protest will occur at Sidwell Friends School in Washington DC, where many
high powered politicos send their children.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:01:54pm

Music can fight teh ugly...

21 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:02:34pm

They recently visited San Diego and even visited my son's school.

[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]

22 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:02:42pm

Are these assholes planning to picket the funerals of the Ft. Hood victims?

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:02:58pm

re: #4 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Proof God doesn't like you, He puts assholes like the Westboro Baptists on the Earth.

/

They're just here to test our faith. Me, I have faith that they are going to get the taste slapped out of their mouths at the Pearly Gates.

24 hicsuget  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:03:04pm

Lucretius (99 BC - 55 BC) called religion "the oldest enemy of mankind." The verbiage on the sign in the photo reminds one of this dictum, but I doubt it's the meaning the protester had in mind.

25 sffilk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:03:35pm

Why am I NOT surprised?

Eejits!

26 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:03:51pm

Teachable moment! Sidwell Friends is packed with the DC/VA/MD elite (Chelsea Clinton also went there, among others) so they'll have a field day with these loons.

27 Larisa  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:04:02pm

Okay, wagers on how many of these dim-wits are actually and unfortunately gay (I say unfortunately, because they dress for shite)?

28 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:04:08pm

re: #22 Alouette

Are these assholes planning to picket the funerals of the Ft. Hood victims?

I can't imagine them passing up the opportunity to do so.

29 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:04:13pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

I think it's a very bad message to send to children that God considers them to be enemies when it was Jesus who praised the faith of children and would not have them kept from Him. WTH is wrong with these people?

the mind boggles at the quadrillion things wrong with these people.

30 kellygrrrl  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:04:30pm

re: #11 Lee Coller

I don't -- I'm just pointing to the fact that they USE Christianity to hide behind while they spew their evil

31 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:04:33pm

re: #21 karmic_inquisitor

They recently visited San Diego and even visited my son's school.

[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]

You Will Eat Your Babies?
WTF? I hope you proved them wrong.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:04:56pm

re: #16 bj

What on earth can be this nutty group's justification for doing this? They don't have to like zero but leave his children alone. Feh!

They picketed Clinton's mother's funeral, and funerals of soldiers killed in action. Class is not a Westboro value.

Can the Secret Service do something about this?

33 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:05:28pm

re: #22 Alouette

Are these assholes planning to picket the funerals of the Ft. Hood victims?

Given the size of Ft. Hood and the folks who make up the population there, I'd really recommend these idiots think twice about that.

Sigh, but I doubt they will.

34 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #27 Larisa

Okay, wagers on how many of these dim-wits are actually and unfortunately gay (I say unfortunately, because they dress for shite)?

Not many - the congregation is probably fewer than 10 in number.

35 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:05:59pm

re: #22 Alouette

Are these assholes planning to picket the funerals of the Ft. Hood victims?

doubtful, they are essentially cowards and though they scream that they will be here, there, and everywhere protesting, I dont see them showing up at any of the Ft Hood funerals.

36 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:06:10pm

so what's to be done with them?...somebody needs to get creative here

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:06:31pm

re: #19 simoom

Acording to a link in the TPM article, it seems Randal Terry and Operation Rescue also decided the children's school was an appropriate place to hold one of their protests. Back in September:

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Gghhhahhh. (Don't know how to spell what I just said. That was phonetic.)

38 arethusa  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:07:02pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

They picketed Clinton's mother's funeral, and funerals of soldiers killed in action. Class is not a Westboro value.

Can the Secret Service do something about this?

I think if they're just protesting, no. If they start making threats or carrying weapons, they should crack down on them fast. I'm sure the Secret Service is tracking these loons very carefully.

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:07:07pm

re: #22 Alouette

Are these assholes planning to picket the funerals of the Ft. Hood victims?

Probably. It would fall in line with their past actions.

40 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:07:10pm

re: #33 subsailor68

Given the size of Ft. Hood and the folks who make up the population there, I'd really recommend these idiots think twice about that.

Sigh, but I doubt they will.

why?...rousting them is just what they want...I don't think the are stoppable

41 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:07:12pm

re: #27 Larisa

Okay, wagers on how many of these dim-wits are actually and unfortunately gay (I say unfortunately, because they dress for shite)?

How about you don't make unfounded assumptions in the same way these nuts make unfounded assumptions.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:07:27pm

Well, Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Assembly. Freedom of Religion.

However?

Shit. I got nuthin...

43 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #34 Guanxi88

Not many - the congregation is probably fewer than 10 in number.

IIRC they are all related to each other.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:08:25pm

re: #27 Larisa

Okay, wagers on how many of these dim-wits are actually and unfortunately gay (I say unfortunately, because they dress for shite)?

I have my suspicions about Fred Phelps' sexuality, but teh asshole is far stronger in him than teh gay.

45 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:09:40pm

but i'm sure scott roeder and eric rudolph are just FINE in their little world.

46 Virginia Plain  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:09:43pm

This is the only appropriate response I have for them:

WBC gets Rick Rolled

Youtube Video
47 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:10:23pm

re: #43 karmic_inquisitor

IIRC they are all related to each other.

Well, we've all got family horror stories, but this takes the cake. Can you imagine what it must be like at Thanksgiving?

"G-D hates you, pass the turkey."

"Burn in Hell for your sins. Here's the potatoes.:

48 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:10:38pm

One would think that the gal in the photo is trying to get hit by a lightning bolt.

What an awful message.

49 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:10:57pm

cocktail hour!...I'm on vacation...who works?!

50 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:11:01pm

Just remember, the assholes in the family who aren't active protestors are lawyers. They hope they provoke someone into an assault and then they swoop in with a civil lawsuit and sue the crap out of the person. Its one of their methods of funding their efforts.

51 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:11:15pm

re: #43 karmic_inquisitor

IIRC they are all related to each other.

And they're all lawyers.

52 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #36 albusteve

so what's to be done with them?...somebody needs to get creative here

I think they best thing that can be done is for Americans to continue to support the Constitution and continue in the American tradition of correcting inequalities in our laws. So- support gay marriage. How's that for creativity?

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:11:32pm

re: #34 Guanxi88

Not many - the congregation is probably fewer than 10 in number.

What is their membership, anyone know? They've clearly got enough people and money to keep up a fairly busy schedule.

54 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:12:08pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

Well, we've all got family horror stories, but this takes the cake. Can you imagine what it must be like at Thanksgiving?

"G-D hates you, pass the turkey."

"Burn in Hell for your sins. Here's the potatoes.:

"Stuffing instead of Potatoes is the Devil's work."

55 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:12:11pm

God loves everyone.

56 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:12:18pm

re: #40 albusteve

why?...rousting them is just what they want...I don't think the are stoppable

Hi albusteve. Yeah, I'm sure their getting rousted would be what they were looking for, but given the emotion of the folks at Ft. Hood who've just lost friends - rousting may not be what they end up getting.

And that wouldn't be good for anyone. Better that they just decide to stay away - but you're probably right about the unstoppable part.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:12:59pm

re: #43 karmic_inquisitor

IIRC they are all related to each other.

Many are. Phelp's has numerous kids, many of whom are adopted, IIRC. (Talk about bad luck.)

58 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:13:10pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I think they best thing that can be done is for Americans to continue to support the Constitution and continue in the American tradition of correcting inequalities in our laws. So- support gay marriage. How's that for creativity?

heh...I already do...we're so old fashioned

59 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:14:43pm

God is Love.

These people hate. They do not know God.

60 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:14:53pm

re: #56 subsailor68

Hi albusteve. Yeah, I'm sure their getting rousted would be what they were looking for, but given the emotion of the folks at Ft. Hood who've just lost friends - rousting may not be what they end up getting.

And that wouldn't be good for anyone. Better that they just decide to stay away - but you're probably right about the unstoppable part.

freedom of expression has an ugly side and we just have to live with it...even tp speak out against these people gives them a stiffy...we need to ignore them

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

Well, we've all got family horror stories, but this takes the cake. Can you imagine what it must be like at Thanksgiving?

"G-D hates you, pass the turkey."

"Burn in Hell for your sins. Here's the potatoes.:

Remember the Blackadder episode where the Puritan relatives visit? Must be like that.

62 zelnaga  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:15:47pm

The Westboro Cult is also notorious for picketing the funerals and memorial services of fallen soldiers.

63 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:16:37pm

re: #22 Alouette

Are these assholes planning to picket the funerals of the Ft. Hood victims?

Talk show host Michael Reagan stopped them from picketing some other soldiers' funerals a couple of time. He bought them off by giving their spokes-zombie an hour of his show's airtime, in exchange for leaving the bereaved families alone.

64 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:17:13pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

God is Love.

These people hate. They do not know God.

They just do what God would do, if He knew the facts of the matter.
///

65 Pickles  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:17:41pm

These people are disgusting. I know we need to be aware of what the do, it just sickens me that they do this stuff.

66 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:18:08pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

God is Love.

These people hate. They do not know God.

I think they hate the people that love God...something fucked up internally there...as for me I just mind my own business, and beyond their despicable message (I'm agnostic), it's their intrusiveness that really pisses me

67 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember the Blackadder episode where the Puritan relatives visit? Must be like that.

Wicked Child!

68 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:19:05pm

re: #40 albusteve

why?...rousting them is just what they want...I don't think the are stoppable

they prefer small town funerals because the smaller the town, the least likely they will run into the Harley Riders who have effectively cut them off from all grieving family and friends. But even in the small towns, they cant get a break. the Local support comes from a hundred mile plus radius.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:19:13pm

I think I've mentioned this here before, but I have a passing acquaintance with a gay SFPD officer who was once put on the team in charge of keeping Fred Phelps and Friends from being killed at the SF Pride Parade.

Talk about fun assignments!

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:19:51pm

re: #68 Eowyn2

they prefer small town funerals because the smaller the town, the least likely they will run into the Harley Riders who have effectively cut them off from all grieving family and friends. But even in the small towns, they cant get a break. the Local support comes from a hundred mile plus radius.

The Freedom Riders have stepped up and aare very effective.

71 KernelPanic  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:19:54pm

I've mentioned this before but it is worth repeating.

Some members of this cult have a "business plan" that involves being as antagonistic/offensive as possible - ideally to the point of physical interaction at which point they file assault charges and pursue a civil claim against the "attacker". It's a fundraising mechanism for them.

Ignoring or mocking mercilessly them is the best thing to do - just don't make it physical or else you might end up funding their future efforts!

72 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:20:04pm

Ah, the joys of the First Amendment and the right to make a complete ass of oneself. These Westboro protesters have been busy in the NY metro area and when they didn't get the requisite attention, they decided to stalk outside the Sidwell Friends School?

Classy [NOT]. But we already knew that. It's what they do.

73 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:20:17pm

re: #60 albusteve

freedom of expression has an ugly side and we just have to live with it...even tp speak out against these people gives them a stiffy...we need to ignore them

Good point.

74 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:20:33pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I've mentioned this here before, but I have a passing acquaintance with a gay SFPD officer who was once put on the team in charge of keeping Fred Phelps and Friends from being killed at the SF Pride Parade.

Talk about fun assignments!

Talk about integrity and dedication to one's duty! I tip my hat to anyone with the moral fibre to defend and protect the indefensible.

75 Baier  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:21:05pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

Well, we've all got family horror stories, but this takes the cake. Can you imagine what it must be like at Thanksgiving?

"G-D hates you, pass the turkey."

"Burn in Hell for your sins. Here's the potatoes.:

Haha!

"G-d hates your dry turkey, and so do I"
"Jesus died for your sins, but this pumpkin pie is too sinful for even him!"

76 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:22:47pm

Does anyone else have the thought still in the back of their head that these people are just really big trolls? Or a case of Poe's law?

77 SteveC  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

They're just here to test our faith. Me, I have faith that they are going to get the taste slapped out of their mouths at the Pearly Gates.

Dad-gum!

St. Peter: Let's sell tickets!

God: Why? I already own the cattle on a thousand hills, it's not like I need the money.

78 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:22:54pm

re: #75 Baier

Haha!

"G-d hates your dry turkey, and so do I"
"Jesus died for your sins, but this pumpkin pie is too sinful for even him!"

Reminds me of this fail. Christ died for our prices. ORLY

79 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:23:17pm

re: #75 Baier

Haha!

"G-d hates your dry turkey, and so do I"
"Jesus died for your sins, but this pumpkin pie is too sinful for even him!"

and fuck the cranberry sauce you rode in on

80 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:23:21pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

The Freedom Riders have stepped up and aare very effective.

Here's a photo I took of them, one Memorial Day.

81 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:23:34pm

re: #78 bosforus

Reminds me of this fail. Christ died for our prices. ORLY

Haha that's great, disgruntled employee.

82 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:25:05pm

re: #71 KernelPanic

I've mentioned this before but it is worth repeating.

Some members of this cult have a "business plan" that involves being as antagonistic/offensive as possible - ideally to the point of physical interaction at which point they file assault charges and pursue a civil claim against the "attacker". It's a fundraising mechanism for them.

Ignoring or mocking mercilessly them is the best thing to do - just don't make it physical or else you might end up funding their future efforts!

Seems to me they could alter their plan and set up a dunking booth or something at a carnival. They'd make it up in volume.

83 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

The beeb did an article on them a few yearsback, they had about 100 members then, 70 of those are related. A few were a camera man and his family who got sucked in doing a documentRy on the cult! They literaly believe that salvation and entrance into heaven requires belonging to their church-
sick bastard that Fed Phelps is...

84 arethusa  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #62 zelnaga

The Westboro Cult is also notorious for picketing the funerals and memorial services of fallen soldiers.

I believe they're also the people responsible for the "Thank God for 9/11" signs and protests after September 11. (I actually saw one of those protests a few months after the event. It was disgusting.) They're also anti-Semitic.

85 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:26:04pm

re: #81 Pepper Fox

Haha that's great, disgruntled employee.

Must have been.

86 jonik  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:26:11pm

re: #83 Surabaya Stew

At last something the country can get behind and believe in as a nation; that these people are incestuous idiots who don't have a clue.

87 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:26:17pm

Vanished Persian army said found in desert
50,000 soldiers believed buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C.

MSNBC Video

I don't know if y'all are interested, but I think this is fascinating.

88 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:26:34pm

I'm reminded of a campaign PETA had going a few years ago, trying to get fishing outlawed. They would send a guy dressed in a fish suit to stand outside a school - just off school property - and harangue students about the evils and cruelty of fishing as they were dismissed.

They tried that here in Detroit one day. The students were, of course, curious. At first. When they figured out that Mr. Fishy was basically an asshole, they started yelling insults at him. Then the shoving started. With Mr. Fishy on the ground, the kicking got going, as Mr. Fishy's normally dressed friends came to his rescue and got the hell out of Dodge.

PETA tried pressing charges, but everyone involved was way too young to prosecute as anything other than a juvenile, and because they were off school property the school district couldn't be held liable (PETA's search for deep pockets to shake down becoming rather obvious at this point.)

As far as I know, PETA has never tried such a moronic stunt again in Detroit.

Not that I'm encouraging the 0bama children or anyone else to emulate such behavior, of course. Just pointing out certain similarities.

89 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:26:52pm

re: #83 Surabaya Stew

Sorry for the disjointed typing; am on my iPhone until tomorrow!
:-D

90 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:27:10pm

re: #88 SixDegrees

I'm reminded of a campaign PETA had going a few years ago, trying to get fishing outlawed. They would send a guy dressed in a fish suit to stand outside a school - just off school property - and harangue students about the evils and cruelty of fishing as they were dismissed.

They tried that here in Detroit one day. The students were, of course, curious. At first. When they figured out that Mr. Fishy was basically an asshole, they started yelling insults at him. Then the shoving started. With Mr. Fishy on the ground, the kicking got going, as Mr. Fishy's normally dressed friends came to his rescue and got the hell out of Dodge.

PETA tried pressing charges, but everyone involved was way too young to prosecute as anything other than a juvenile, and because they were off school property the school district couldn't be held liable (PETA's search for deep pockets to shake down becoming rather obvious at this point.)

As far as I know, PETA has never tried such a moronic stunt again in Detroit.

Not that I'm encouraging the 0bama children or anyone else to emulate such behavior, of course. Just pointing out certain similarities.

There's so much that we can learn from children.

91 Locker  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:27:17pm

I'm gonna go ahead and say passing hateful judgment is much worse than being gay but even the wikipedia version of the 10 commandments has something to say on the sign pictured above:

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God

[Link:wikipedia.org... ]

92 Jack Burton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:27:19pm

re: #84 arethusa

They're also anti-Semitic.

A good portion of their 'protest tour' in San Diego was spent out in front of Jewish community centers.

93 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:27:21pm

re: #88 SixDegrees

I'm reminded of a campaign PETA had going a few years ago, trying to get fishing outlawed. They would send a guy dressed in a fish suit to stand outside a school - just off school property - and harangue students about the evils and cruelty of fishing as they were dismissed.

They tried that here in Detroit one day. The students were, of course, curious. At first. When they figured out that Mr. Fishy was basically an asshole, they started yelling insults at him. Then the shoving started. With Mr. Fishy on the ground, the kicking got going, as Mr. Fishy's normally dressed friends came to his rescue and got the hell out of Dodge.

PETA tried pressing charges, but everyone involved was way too young to prosecute as anything other than a juvenile, and because they were off school property the school district couldn't be held liable (PETA's search for deep pockets to shake down becoming rather obvious at this point.)

As far as I know, PETA has never tried such a moronic stunt again in Detroit.

Not that I'm encouraging the 0bama children or anyone else to emulate such behavior, of course. Just pointing out certain similarities.

That has nothing to do with PETA, that's just how Detroit is.

94 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:27:36pm

re: #76 Pepper Fox

Does anyone else have the thought still in the back of their head that these people are just really big trolls? Or a case of Poe's law?

They are hyer-calvinists.

95 jonik  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:28:46pm

re: #93 Pepper Fox

Good thing this incident didn't happen in Louisiana, some of these school kids might have tried to filet Mr. Fishy.

96 arethusa  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:28:58pm

re: #87 Pepper Fox

Vanished Persian army said found in desert
50,000 soldiers believed buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

I don't know if y'all are interested, but I think this is fascinating.

That is really cool if it pans out. It confirms yet again that Herodotus may be a reliable historian after all!

97 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

They are hyer-calvinists.

That should tell you all you need to know if you understand that.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

98 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

The Freedom Riders have stepped up and aare very effective.

Yeah, I've heard about them and their work. Huge applause for their help with these assholes. The Phelps seem to have moved on to other venues since the Freedom Riders started attending soldier's funerals.

99 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:29:09pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

What is their membership, anyone know? They've clearly got enough people and money to keep up a fairly busy schedule.

Last I heard there were 80 something members, most are members of the same large extended family.

100 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:29:47pm

Next I hope we can get a debate between phelps and Christopher Hitchens as to whether the Westboro Baptist Church has been a force for good. That would be entertaining.

101 sergeant major  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:30:10pm

I always thought insurgents/terrorists and anyone one that POTUS sent me to fight were my enemies... I guess I have be very very careful now///

102 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:30:10pm

re: #99 ausador

Last I heard there were 80 something members, most are members of the same large extended family.

They all operate out of Topkea, KS and not long ago they had to scale back cause of that huge lawsuit, but they seem to be coming back more lately.

103 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:30:13pm

re: #96 arethusa

That is really cool if it pans out. It confirms yet again that Herodotus may be a reliable historian after all!

Maybe? He has been shown to be reliable many times.

104 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:30:44pm

re: #93 Pepper Fox

That has nothing to do with PETA, that's just how Detroit is.

Detroit's reputation is way out in front of it's reality.

105 jayzee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:30:58pm

This crosses the line? I mean it's atrocious, but worse than soldier's funeral, or outside shul in Boro Park on Shabbat?

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:31:03pm

re: #87 Pepper Fox

Vanished Persian army said found in desert
50,000 soldiers believed buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

I don't know if y'all are interested, but I think this is fascinating.

Just when they ran out of more plots for "The Mummy" series...
/

Actually, very cool.

107 jonik  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:31:13pm

"God is your enemy"!, damn I hate being outgunned.

108 Locker  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:31:22pm

Additionally this crew has always made me think of the line:

One doth protest too much

I wonder how many of these kooks are actually closeted, self hating homosexuals.

109 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:32:39pm

re: #108 Locker

Additionally this crew has always made me think of the line:

I wonder how many of these kooks are actually closeted, self hating homosexuals.

Probably about 80% of "homophobes" I should try to find that arousal study they did where homophobes were more aroused by gay porn than anyone else in the study. Not sure how accurate that study was though, haven't read much in to it.

110 arethusa  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:33:33pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Maybe? He has been shown to be reliable many times.

Yes, but many people still think of him as the "Father of Lies," unfortunately. Just because he knew how to spin a good yarn, and was sometimes a little credulous in swallowing native tall tales.

111 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:34:09pm

re: #84 arethusa
it would have been supprising if they weren't anti-semetic!

112 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:34:33pm

re: #107 jonik

"God is your enemy"!, damn I hate being outgunned.

I think a good splash of holy water would send most of the Phelps up in a puff of smoke.

113 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:34:37pm

re: #108 Locker

Additionally this crew has always made me think of the line:

I wonder how many of these kooks are actually closeted, self hating homosexuals.

why would any of them be?...second time this has been asked...I don't get it

114 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:35:05pm

re: #108 Locker

Additionally this crew has always made me think of the line:

I wonder how many of these kooks are actually closeted, self hating homosexuals.

[Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...] There we go I think that's it

115 countrockulot  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:37:30pm

"And lo I am so glad thou have not let thy recent weight gain cause thou to stop eating normal portions. Good for thou."

GOD IS YOUR FRENEMY

116 Locker  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:37:36pm

re: #113 albusteve

why would any of them be?...second time this has been asked...I don't get it

Some folks that discover they have feelings of homosexuality and are so scared or angry about it that they lash out or attack other homosexuals in an effort to prove they aren't gay.

117 Locker  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:37:49pm

re: #114 Pepper Fox

[Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...] There we go I think that's it

Thanks man I'll check it out.

118 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:38:14pm

re: #116 Locker

Some folks that discover they have feelings of homosexuality and are so scared or angry about it that they lash out or attack other homosexuals in an effort to prove they aren't gay.

then become aroused?...I'm such a hayseed

119 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:40:02pm

re: #116 Locker

Some folks that discover they have feelings of homosexuality and are so scared or angry about it that they lash out or attack other homosexuals in an effort to prove they aren't gay.

Reminds me of the classic editorial in the Onion, "Why do all these Gay men keeping sucking my dick?"

120 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:41:16pm

re: #105 jayzee

This crosses the line? I mean it's atrocious, but worse than soldier's funeral, or outside shul in Boro Park on Shabbat?

Yes- I think it is. What do these kids have to do with this issue? They're innocent children, not policy makers. Are these people trying to harass the Obama girls in the hopes the President will side with them so as to leave his daughters alone? If so, I would consider that to manipulative, and it's bordering on evil to use children like that.

121 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:41:25pm

re: #119 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Reminds me of the classic editorial in the Onion, "Why do all these Gay men keeping sucking my dick?"

yuckzilla...

122 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:41:33pm

re: #116 Locker

Some folks that discover they have feelings of homosexuality and are so scared or angry about it that they lash out or attack other homosexuals in an effort to prove they aren't gay.

Rotten.com had a really gay pic of Phelps in a pastel cowboyhat...remindsme of this!

123 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:41:41pm

re: #63 The Sanity Inspector

Talk show host Michael Reagan stopped them from picketing some other soldiers' funerals a couple of time. He bought them off by giving their spokes-zombie an hour of his show's airtime, in exchange for leaving the bereaved families alone.

So they are extortionists, except that they extort for publicity and attention.

124 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:42:01pm

Do what we want or we'll harass your kids!

Great Christian values there.

125 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:42:03pm

re: #119 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Reminds me of the classic editorial in the Onion, "Why do all these Gay men keeping sucking my dick?"

I think we should find out where the next protest is, and all show up to counter-protest with one of these.

126 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:43:07pm

re: #118 albusteve

then become aroused?...I'm such a hayseed

Not exactly, but there is at least that one study that found that those that had the strongest stated anti-gay feelings prior to the testing showed more signs of arousal when viewing gay pornography than those who were more normal/indifferent to gays.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:43:50pm

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

They are hyer-calvinists.

If you took all of Cotton Mather's education away, and put him on acid...

128 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:45:16pm

re: #88 SixDegrees

I'm reminded of a campaign PETA had going a few years ago, trying to get fishing outlawed. They would send a guy dressed in a fish suit to stand outside a school - just off school property - and harangue students about the evils and cruelty of fishing as they were dismissed.

They tried that here in Detroit one day. The students were, of course, curious. At first. When they figured out that Mr. Fishy was basically an asshole, they started yelling insults at him. Then the shoving started. With Mr. Fishy on the ground, the kicking got going, as Mr. Fishy's normally dressed friends came to his rescue and got the hell out of Dodge.

PETA tried pressing charges, but everyone involved was way too young to prosecute as anything other than a juvenile, and because they were off school property the school district couldn't be held liable (PETA's search for deep pockets to shake down becoming rather obvious at this point.)

As far as I know, PETA has never tried such a moronic stunt again in Detroit.

Not that I'm encouraging the 0bama children or anyone else to emulate such behavior, of course. Just pointing out certain similarities.

Heh. I'd love to see PETA dress in sheep costumes and stand outside the mosques during Eid Al Adha.

I was accosted by a PETA when I was in Israel last September, passing out pamphlets in Jerusalem about "kapparos." I wasn't planning on performing kapparos in Jerusalem, but just because this PETA idiot reminded me, I went to the Mahane Yehuda market and did kapporos there.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:45:50pm

re: #105 jayzee

This crosses the line? I mean it's atrocious, but worse than soldier's funeral, or outside shul in Boro Park on Shabbat?

Sooner or later, the Phelpsers will hit everyone's buttons. They just need more time.

130 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #111 Surabaya Stew

it would have been supprising if they weren't anti-semetic!

anti-semetic? More like emetic.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:47:57pm

re: #126 ausador
"There were so many gay men in that bar, I told the guy I was dancing with, 'Let's get the hell out of here!'"

132 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:48:21pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

Sooner or later, the Phelpsers will hit everyone's buttons. They just need more time.

If we could find a way to insert them in the Middle East, the shared disgust at these folk might be enough to resolve the Israeli/Arab dispute.

133 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:48:23pm

re: #128 Alouette

Heh. I'd love to see PETA dress in sheep costumes and stand outside the mosques during Eid Al Adha.

I was accosted by a PETA when I was in Israel last September, passing out pamphlets in Jerusalem about "kapparos." I wasn't planning on performing kapparos in Jerusalem, but just because this PETA idiot reminded me, I went to the Mahane Yehuda market and did kapporos there.

Yeah, that seems to be their latest non-productive crusade. Brilliant.

Of course, we're talking about an organization whose founder, Ingrid Newkirk, wanted to sell tofu flavored with George Clooney's sweat. Which says a boatload about their overall rationality.

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:48:39pm

re: #128 Alouette

When was the last time PETA picketed a biker bar for leather.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:49:50pm

re: #126 ausador

Not exactly, but there is at least that one study that found that those that had the strongest stated anti-gay feelings prior to the testing showed more signs of arousal when viewing gay pornography than those who were more normal/indifferent to gays.

Some very extreme homophobes simply seem too fascinated with homosexuality. One recurrent theme I find fascinating is the guys who claim that if homosexuality is permitted by society, no one will be straight, and the population/family structure/etc. will plummet. I find this interesting, in that it seems to suggest that in their minds, no one is straight without social coercion.

136 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:50:06pm

The only difference between these people and the ones with the signs reading "Behead Those Who Insult Islam" is the holy book they prefer.

137 Jack Burton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:50:33pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

Sooner or later, the Phelpsers will hit everyone's buttons. They just need more time.

I expect them to be out in front of my house soon with signs saying "God Hates Agnostic Motorcycle Riding Computer Geek Sci-Fi fans" or some such.

138 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:50:42pm

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When was the last time PETA picketed a biker bar for leather.

They probably have, they just didn't live so you could hear about it.

139 Jack Burton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:51:00pm

re: #136 Cato the Elder

The only difference between these people and the ones with the signs reading "Behead Those Who Insult Islam" is the holy book they prefer.

There is one other difference. Their numbers.

140 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:51:30pm

I feel a Jamaican holiday coming on...a jolt of reality, in contrast to all this made up bullshit here in America...it pisses me off when people don't know good we have it here

141 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:52:34pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

Some very extreme homophobes simply seem too fascinated with homosexuality. One recurrent theme I find fascinating is the guys who claim that if homosexuality is permitted by society, no one will be straight, and the population/family structure/etc. will plummet. I find this interesting, in that it seems to suggest that in their minds, no one is straight without social coercion.

I wonder whether they don't have some polymorphous perversion, to use the old and discredited term. This could explain their fascination with that which they claim to abhor, and yet find attractive, as just a particularly boring paraphilia with neurotic fixation.

142 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:52:41pm

re: #139 ArchangelMichael

There is one other difference. Their numbers.

I agree. In America, the wacko Baptists are far more of a problem.

143 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:53:12pm

re: #140 albusteve

Amen to that!

144 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:54:44pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

Sooner or later, the Phelpsers will hit everyone's buttons. They just need more time.

so many people to hate, so little time.

The only people going to heaven are the Phelps' family.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:55:26pm

re: #144 Eowyn2

so many people to hate, so little time.

The only people going to heaven are the Phelps' family.

Just as well. Can you imagine being in heaven with the Phelpses?

146 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:55:28pm

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Classic!

147 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:55:37pm

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When was the last time PETA picketed a biker bar for leather.

They do have a tendency to avoid protesting against people who might beat the shit out of them.

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:56:27pm

re: #147 Alouette

They do have a tendency to avoid protesting against people who might beat the shit out of them.

Frankly, so do I!

149 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:56:34pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

I agree. In America, the wacko Baptists are far more of a problem.

I've gotta agree here. Between the various Phelps reports I see all too often and the anti-abortionists illegally blockading clinics and throwing blood-covered plastic baby dolls into passing traffic to the open, public murder of law-abiding doctors attending church services, I have to say that that they far outnumber the jihadists I've encountered.

And I live just a few miles from Dearborn.

150 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:56:43pm

birthers, nirthers, Birchers...the Crazy Triad...Beck and Rush and Bill O...I get tired of the whole mad dash from reality...we are becoming the Cartoon Culture

151 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:57:27pm

re: #144 Eowyn2

so many people to hate, so little time.

The only people going to heaven are the Phelps' family.

Wait - I thought it was the Mormons?

152 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:58:08pm

re: #141 Guanxi88

I wonder whether they don't have some polymorphous perversion, to use the old and discredited term. This could explain their fascination with that which they claim to abhor, and yet find attractive, as just a particularly boring paraphilia with neurotic fixation.

Are we trying to discover their pathology so we can offer them help? I think this all boils down to Archie Bunker Syndrome... they are fucking bigots and racists.

That will be 125 dollars please.

153 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:58:12pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Just as well. Can you imagine being in heaven with the Phelpses?

My question is this - if they're all together, and the only ones there, how will they know they're not in Hell?

154 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:58:45pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Just as well. Can you imagine being in heaven with the Phelpses?

Yea, sort of like being in heaven with Mohammed.

155 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:58:46pm

re: #149 SixDegrees

:) I call for a recount.
Have a nice vacation in the middle east or India, or the Phillipines, and see what your count looks like.

I am very glad these idiots are so few. I am aghast at how many jihadis show up for a fight when one is on.

156 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:58:59pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Are we trying to discover their pathology so we can offer them help? I think this all boils down to Archie Bunker Syndrome... they are fucking bigots and racists.

That will be 125 dollars please.

Will you accept an out-of-state, post-dated, third party check drawn on my new business account in Lagos, Nigeria, in Somaliand shillings. They're starter checks...

157 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:59:13pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

Next I hope we can get a debate between phelps and Christopher Hitchens as to whether the Westboro Baptist Church has been a force for good. That would be entertaining.


Um, that would be a dance between Baryshnikov and a three-legged hippo.

I suppose entertaining would be the word.

158 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:59:19pm

re: #153 Guanxi88

My question is this - if they're all together, and the only ones there, how will they know they're not in Hell?

And just wait till one of them slips up and outs himself to the others...

159 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:59:29pm

if there is a heaven, which I doubt, all these assholes will be there...what a party that will be...Allah Snackbar!

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:00:12pm

re: #156 Guanxi88

Will you accept an out-of-state, post-dated, third party check drawn on my new business account in Lagos, Nigeria, in Somaliand shillings. They're starter checks...and I left my ID in my other pants.

161 jayzee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:00:16pm

re: #150 albusteve

birthers, nirthers, Birchers...the Crazy Triad...Beck and Rush and Bill O...I get tired of the whole mad dash from reality...we are becoming the Cartoon Culture

i think we could debate the Beck-Rush comparison, but I won't. However, while I don't like him, I think Bill O is different-he's anti death penalty, but pro choice for example. Just sayin

162 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:00:36pm

re: #155 Rightwingconspirator

:) I call for a recount.
Have a nice vacation in the middle east or India, or the Phillipines, and see what your count looks like.

I am very glad these idiots are so few. I am aghast at how many jihadis show up for a fight when one is on.

Cato's comment was specifically about the US.

163 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:00:59pm

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rich SOB, with two pairs of pants!

164 Merryweather  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:02:50pm

I find the word 'evil' to be overused, but it really is the only word to describe the Phelps family. These people are disgusting, hate-filled pieces of human trash. The media really ought to stop referring to them as the Westboro Baptist Church though - it's not a church, it's one deranged, inbred family.

Apparently, one of these charmers called the Obama girls 'Satanic spawn'. Hate to break it to them, but Fred Phelps is not Sasha and Malia's father. //

165 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:03:24pm

OT - I'll be slipping out of here in a few minutes. This afternoon starts what is know in the theatre business as "hell week." Mixing in the tech and dress rehearsals... until opening Friday. And then it's happy holidays until Dec. 20th.

Does anyone think that Nov. 13th is a little early to start a Christmas show? I just don't need that much holiday cheer.

166 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:03:42pm

re: #161 jayzee

i think we could debate the Beck-Rush comparison, but I won't. However, while I don't like him, I think Bill O is different-he's anti death penalty, but pro choice for example. Just sayin

not with me personally...I don't give a shit about any of them or what they have to say...they are all media whores...WHORES!

167 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:03:53pm

re: #133 SixDegrees
that is just gross.

168 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:04:15pm

The Phelper cult has nothing to do with politics or religion, except for using them as a vehicle and shield for their outrageous conduct. At the same time, they are not at all an isolated phenomenon, they are merely an extreme and novel manifestation of a tendency that is common throughout society: That of equating abuse, provocation, and general unpleasantness with power and (in many cases) of deriving psycho-sexual gratification from it. These people are everywhere. A distinguished researcher, Robert Sutton, has even written a book about them: The No Asshole Rule: Building a Civilized Workplace and Surviving One That Isn't
Of course, Sutton wrote this in the context of business but his principles and analysis are widely applicable elsewhere. One crucial insight is that assholes are not more successful or effective than decent people, they merely appear to be in some cases because their habits tend to thwart competition and accountability.

For many years, Southwest Airlines was consistently rated as the best company in America to work for and they are still in the top ten. It also happens that Southwest was an early proponent of the "no asshole rule" though obviously they didn't put it in those terms.
It was their policy that rude, abusive, nasty, and personally dishonest types just were not hired or retained, regardless of their qualifications and alleged achievements. In particular, applicants were carefully monitored when they arrived for interviews. If they were rude or surly to anyone on the property, security guards, janitors, or the receptionist, they were automatically rejected and told so in plain terms.

169 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:04:44pm

Thou.Shalt.Love.Thy.Neighbor.As.Thyself.

Short words. In English. None have more than two syllables. Is that one syllable too many?

170 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:05:18pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

OT - I'll be slipping out of here in a few minutes. This afternoon starts what is know in the theatre business as "hell week." Mixing in the tech and dress rehearsals... until opening Friday. And then it's happy holidays until Dec. 20th.

Does anyone think that Nov. 13th is a little early to start a Christmas show? I just don't need that much holiday cheer.

I hate Christmas...ALLAH SNACKBAR!

171 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:05:20pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

OT - I'll be slipping out of here in a few minutes. This afternoon starts what is know in the theatre business as "hell week." Mixing in the tech and dress rehearsals... until opening Friday. And then it's happy holidays until Dec. 20th.

Does anyone think that Nov. 13th is a little early to start a Christmas show? I just don't need that much holiday cheer.

You're late. The local Borders decked their halls with holiday regalia the day after Halloween this year.

Enjoy the maelstrom.

172 jayzee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:05:29pm

re: #166 albusteve

i think we could debate the Beck-Rush comparison, but I won't. However, while I don't like him, I think Bill O is different-he's anti death penalty, but pro choice for example. Just sayin

not with me personally...I don't give a shit about any of them or what they have to say...they are all media whores...WHORES!

That's the definition of media no? All about the Benjamins.

173 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:06:10pm

re: #167 Eowyn2

that is just gross.

Yes. Yes, it is.

174 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:06:26pm

It seems to me the old saying about protesting too much applies here, in every sense.

What do you want to bet Fred Phelps is a raging closet case who has a particular thing for buff Olympic swimming champions?

175 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:07:07pm

Sorry Mr. Sinatra...
-Strangers in the night

Baptists in my yard
exchanging glances
Baptists in my yard
What were the chances
We'd be sharing hate
Before the night was through?

Something on your sign
was so revolting
Something that you said
It's like you are trolling
Something in my heart
Told me..I must hit you

Baptists in my yard
Just lonely people
There are Baptists in my yard

176 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:08:05pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

It seems to me the old saying about protesting too much applies here, in every sense.

What do you want to bet Fred Phelps is a raging closet case who has a particular thing for buff Olympic swimming champions?

He strikes me as more of a Vienna Boy's Choir aficionado.

177 Merryweather  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:08:21pm

re: #169 EmmmieG

Well if you're self-loathing, as so many of these extremists obviously are, 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' becomes a bit of a problem. That and I don't think these people have ever actually read the Bible.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:09:02pm

I'll tell you what Jesus would do!

179 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:09:18pm

re: #151 SixDegrees

Wait - I thought it was the Mormons?

Nope, their on the Phelps hate list
Mormons
Catholics
Jews
Gays
More Gays
More Jews
Lutherans
Other Baptists
More Gays
Military personnel
More Catholics
Many more Jews
More gays
Protestants
Church of Christ
Eastern Orthodox (just fancy Catholics)

180 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:10:05pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel

The Phelper cult has nothing to do with politics or religion, except for using them as a vehicle and shield for their outrageous conduct. At the same time, they are not at all an isolated phenomenon, they are merely an extreme and novel manifestation of a tendency that is common throughout society: That of equating abuse, provocation, and general unpleasantness with power and (in many cases) of deriving psycho-sexual gratification from it. These people are everywhere. A distinguished researcher, Robert Sutton, has even written a book about them: The No Asshole Rule: Building a Civilized Workplace and Surviving One That Isn't
Of course, Sutton wrote this in the context of business but his principles and analysis are widely applicable elsewhere. One crucial insight is that assholes are not more successful or effective than decent people, they merely appear to be in some cases because their habits tend to thwart competition and accountability.

For many years, Southwest Airlines was consistently rated as the best company in America to work for and they are still in the top ten. It also happens that Southwest was an early proponent of the "no asshole rule" though obviously they didn't put it in those terms.
It was their policy that rude, abusive, nasty, and personally dishonest types just were not hired or retained, regardless of their qualifications and alleged achievements. In particular, applicants were carefully monitored when they arrived for interviews. If they were rude or surly to anyone on the property, security guards, janitors, or the receptionist, they were automatically rejected and told so in plain terms.

Interesting. I work in an environment populated with people holding advanced degrees in science, engineering and mathematics. And I've always maintained that you can tell everything you need to know about someone by how they treat the people who clean the toilets and empty the trash. We've had only a very few who were condescending toward those folks, and none of them lasted long.

181 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:10:10pm

re: #179 Eowyn2

Nope, their on the Phelps hate list
Mormons
Catholics
Jews
Gays
More Gays
More Jews
Lutherans
Other Baptists
More Gays
Military personnel
More Catholics
Many more Jews
More gays
Protestants
Church of Christ
Eastern Orthodox (just fancy Catholics)

Col. Sanders

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:10:14pm

re: #153 Guanxi88

My question is this - if they're all together, and the only ones there, how will they know they're not in Hell?

They'll be confident, I'm sure. Regardless.

183 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:10:36pm

when does the bar open?

184 hicsuget  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:11:04pm

re: #179 Eowyn2

Atheists didn't make the list?

185 Merryweather  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #179 Eowyn2

That pretty much covers the whole of mankind.

186 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:11:38pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

OT - I'll be slipping out of here in a few minutes. This afternoon starts what is know in the theatre business as "hell week." Mixing in the tech and dress rehearsals... until opening Friday. And then it's happy holidays until Dec. 20th.

Does anyone think that Nov. 13th is a little early to start a Christmas show? I just don't need that much holiday cheer.

24/7 baby 24/7

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:12:40pm

re: #179 Eowyn2

Nope, their on the Phelps hate list
Mormons
Catholics
Jews
Gays
More Gays
More Jews
Lutherans
Other Baptists
More Gays
Military personnel
More Catholics
Many more Jews
More gays
Protestants
Church of Christ
Eastern Orthodox (just fancy Catholics)

Presidents of the United States.
The children of presidents of the United States.
The United States.

188 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:12:55pm

re: #162 SixDegrees

My bad...

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:13:24pm

re: #181 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Col. Sanders

"How can they hate the Colonel?"

190 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #184 hicsuget

Atheists didn't make the list?


He seems to be more irate to religious adherents than non-adherents. I am sure that there is plenty of evidence that he hates Atheists and Agnostics as well.

191 theheat  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #179 Eowyn2

Sex outside of the immediate family.

192 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:15:32pm

re: #183 albusteve

when does the bar open?

1 hour 45 minutes.

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:15:56pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Break a leg.

194 Merryweather  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:16:26pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh come on. Anyone can see that his 11 Secret Herbs And Spices(TM) is an attempt to subvert the 10 Commandments.

195 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:17:27pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

"How can they hate the Colonel?"

Because he puts a secret ingredient in his chicken which makes ya crave it fortnightly, Smartass!

196 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:17:57pm

re: #183 albusteve

when does the bar open?

The bars are always open.

Youtube Video
197 badger1970  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:18:25pm

re:

198 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:19:22pm

If God is your enemy, then a Friend of the Devil is a Friend of mine...

199 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #16 bj

What on earth can be this nutty group's justification for doing this? They don't have to like zero but leave his children alone. Feh!

There is none.
These are the assholes who picket the funerals of soldiers who die in Iraq and Afghanistan because of the sin of homosexuality in the USA.
They are a blight on humanity...

200 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

"How can they hate the Colonel?"

Its the new rotisserie chicken. It was bad enough when they came out with 'crispy' recipe but Lord help us, 'rotisserie chicken' bah.

201 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:22:00pm

re: #180 SixDegrees

Interesting. I work in an environment populated with people holding advanced degrees in science, engineering and mathematics. And I've always maintained that you can tell everything you need to know about someone by how they treat the people who clean the toilets and empty the trash. We've had only a very few who were condescending toward those folks, and none of them lasted long.

Getting rid of assholes will work wonders in any organizational environment. It is a top down process unfortunately and requires a level of perception that many leaders lack, especially since a lot of them reached their positions by being assholes in the first place.
The idea of the hard-driving, mean, egotistical type as someone who can "get results" is deeply ingrained in western culture. Knowing better, and applying that knowledge, can confer a genuine competitive advantage though.

202 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:23:21pm

re: #180 SixDegrees

Interesting. I work in an environment populated with people holding advanced degrees in science, engineering and mathematics. And I've always maintained that you can tell everything you need to know about someone by how they treat the people who clean the toilets and empty the trash. We've had only a very few who were condescending toward those folks, and none of them lasted long.

It's also a good test for a future spouse. See how he or she treats wait-staff, cabbies, store clerks, that kinda thing. cause that's about how they'll treat you.

203 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:26:56pm

re: #87 Pepper Fox

Vanished Persian army said found in desert
50,000 soldiers believed buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

I don't know if y'all are interested, but I think this is fascinating.

Totally fascinating...
My son said "cool".

204 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:27:16pm

re: #202 Guanxi88

Southwest interviewer: "Well, Captain, we are certainly impressed with your record; 17000 hours, distinguished navy record, and even the Collier Trophy for heaven's sake. Unfortunately, though, we have learned that you are a complete, prime, gold-plated, grade A asshole and we therefore don't need you. Have a nice day."

I'm told that this is almost literally how it went at times.

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #203 webevintage

Totally fascinating...
My son said "cool".

Probably God's punishment for allowing gays...

/

206 Kruk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:32:59pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

Getting rid of assholes will work wonders in any organizational environment. It is a top down process unfortunately and requires a level of perception that many leaders lack, especially since a lot of them reached their positions by being assholes in the first place.
The idea of the hard-driving, mean, egotistical type as someone who can "get results" is deeply ingrained in western culture. Knowing better, and applying that knowledge, can confer a genuine competitive advantage though.

Word. Bad staff (at any level, but especially management) tend to drive out the good, especially when the people who are good at their jobs are in demand. I once had a manager who treated the people under her like dirt, and then acted all surprised and hurt when literally half the staff jumped ship at the end of the year.

207 abbyadams  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #151 SixDegrees

Upding for admittedly old South Park reference!

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:44:48pm

Speaking of teh ghey...

Ellen's wife is sooo pretty.

209 funky chicken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:00:08pm

Who funds these freaks?

210 Kragar  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:02:01pm

re: #209 funky chicken

Who funds these freaks?

Lawsuits

211 funky chicken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:05:09pm

re: #161 jayzee

i think we could debate the Beck-Rush comparison, but I won't. However, while I don't like him, I think Bill O is different-he's anti death penalty, but pro choice for example. Just sayin

Bill O'Reilly is not pro choice.

212 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:15:09pm

re: #124 Sharmuta

Do what we want or we'll harass your kids!

Great Christian values there.

Since Sidwell is a cool Quaker school, I'd bet the staff is generating a
month's worth of really good teaching points.

213 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:18:15pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Break a leg, do theater people still say that? Is it the Christmas Carol?

214 MtnCat  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:30:10pm

A simple metaphor for such hateful people, "...and the slanderous accusations that have been made by the people who profess to be Jews but are really members of the synagogue of Satan".
Just sayin.

215 Summer Seale  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:33:56pm

Louis Theroux did an amazing hour long piece on the WBC several years ago:
The Most Hated Family in America


For those who don't know Louis's work, you really should. He's an amazing presenter who hunted down some of the craziest extremists, from Nazis to WBC and Black Supremacists. At one point when he was at a house with Nazis all around him, they asked him if he was Jewish. They thought that he was and he refused to answer (he isn't). He stood his ground against them on a moral point and they backed down after a few minutes.

I don't know too many who would have done that.

You can find lots of his episodes online and I really suggest you watch them.

216 Summer Seale  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:36:31pm

Oh and for the more entertainment-inclined, he's also done shows about people who run in demolition derbies, faith healers, and other such "non-mainstream" things. He doesn't just stick to dangerous extremists. =)

217 Summer Seale  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:37:54pm

Oh and here's a link to that episode of the WBC on Atheist Nation (you can watch the whole episode there):

[Link: www.atheistnation.net...]

218 Lidane  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:39:32pm

re: #22 Alouette

Are these assholes planning to picket the funerals of the Ft. Hood victims?

Of course they are. They picket at the funerals of the soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Why would the soldiers killed at Ft. Hood be any different in their eyes?

In the WBC's warped theology, they alone are God's chosen elite and everyone who isn't in their little cult will be sent to Hell while they stand at God's side in judgment of the rest of humanity. They're insane, so expect them to do crazy things like protesting outside Sasha and Malia Obama's schools, or at the funerals of soldiers. =/

219 Locker  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:04:37pm

re: #108 Locker

Hmm a down ding for this Walter? Did you feel personally attacked?

220 jaunte  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:07:57pm

re: #219 Locker

Walter is often dubious of unsupported speculation.

221 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:00:11pm

re: #209 funky chicken

Who funds these freaks?

I'm so glad you asked.

Phelps was a prominent civil rights lawyer for many years, arguing and often winning cases where black plaintiffs complained of illegal discrimination. "God hates fags," he says. "He doesn't hate blacks." In 1987, Phelps received an award from the local branch of the NAACP, recognizing his "undauntedness" and "steely determination for justice". More recently, however, "black" has become part of Phelps' glossary of insults, with press releases attacking various leaders as "black whores", "black faggots", and so on.

He was suspended from the practice of law for two years beginning in 1969, on three counts of professional misconduct. He was disbarred in 1979 for showing "little regard for the ethics of his profession", after several of his court filings seemed to be increasingly at odds with the facts of the assorted matters. The family's law firm continues to operate. Of Phelps' children, all adults, at least 11 are lawyers, and several work for the family firm.

Their whole schtick is to go out of their way to be so incredibly over-the-top offensive that somebody on the street will confront them, then they will goad that poor sucker into some kind of physical contact, a shove, brush by, whatever. Then the Phelps family law firm will threaten to sue that poor bastard into oblivion until he settles with them. The term tar-baby seems ironically apropos here, especially considering Phelps' history as a kind of corrupted and now toxic ex-civil rights attorney.

Hope this helps.

222 mikhailtheplumber  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:22:21pm

Isn't it criminal to do that in front of children? It's almost as bad as if they were flashers.

223 3kids3dogs  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:53pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

Many are. Phelp's has numerous kids, many of whom are adopted, IIRC. (Talk about bad luck.)

I find the idea that these hateful idiots are allowed to adopt children chilling. Something is very wrong when you add in the fact that in many places in this country loving gay couples aren't allowed to adopt.

224 BLBfootballs  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:00:09pm

Ehh. This kind of stuff is pretty average for Westboro Baptist. No red lines with those guys. The elder Phelps really sounds likes he's mentally ill and been harboring it for years.

I hope the FBI's keeping a close watch on them. IMO those are the kinds of nuts who're probably crazy enough to do something.

Reminds me of the true American oath: to defend the Constitution "against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Westboro Baptist qualifies with spades.

225 hicsuget  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:07:09pm

re: #218 Lidane

In the WBC's warped theology, they alone are God's chosen elite and everyone who isn't in their little cult will be sent to Hell while they stand at God's side in judgment of the rest of humanity. They're insane,...

Is that not the theology of everyone who has a theology? All that differs in this case is the degree of intolerance they are permitted to show on earth, and the range of people to whom they show it.

226 Lidane  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:37:53pm

re: #225 hicsuget

Is that not the theology of everyone who has a theology?

No, and I say that as someone who's an agnostic at best.

Other faiths at least offer their own versions of conversion, compassion, and/or redemption for non-believers, even the fundamentalist, "Repent or Die!" types. For the WBC, there is no redemption for anyone who isn't in their little cult. You're either fully on board with them now or you're destined for Hell, no matter what kind of life you lead. Period. That's a far cry from every other established religion that comes to mind.

All that differs in this case is the degree of intolerance they are permitted to show on earth, and the range of people to whom they show it.

No, not really. Their theology really is warped because it IS intolerance. That sign about God being the enemy is how they see things. For them, God is just as hateful and vengeful as they are without any compassion or mercy at all. It's why they picket funerals-- the soldiers are defending a country the WBC sees as hellbound, so their deaths should be celebrated rather than mourned. That's how sick these people are.

Also, they show that intolerance equally to everyone who disagrees with them. It's not just gays, or liberals, or whoever. It's everyone who's not in their cult. You could be the most devout, sincere, churchgoing person who tries to do right by your family and your faith and they'd *still* send you to Hell just for thinking they go too far or that they're out of line for picketing funerals.

227 Sacred Plants  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:28:00am

Do you see the real message?

228 Yashmak  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:30:20am

The picture up top looks like the Unabomber carrying a protest sign.

229 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:57:59pm

Now we see the danger of lawyers interbreeding.


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