Tech Note: Code Frenzy Continued

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As I mentioned yesterday, I recently discovered that the LGF server was running PHP 5, not PHP 4 as I thought, and I’ve been like a geek in a gadget store ever since.

For years, the RSS news and blog feeds in our left sidebar were driven by a PHP 4 class called Magpie RSS, but now I’ve rewritten the LGF code to use PHP 5’s native SimpleXML functions.

The RSS format was pretty straightforward, but ATOM feeds required a little more geekage, because to do it right you have to properly handle an XML feature called “namespacing” while parsing the feed. The PHP SimpleXML documentation is rather … ahem … sparse on exactly how to do this, but this article at IBM’s developerWorks was very helpful: SimpleXML processing with PHP. And this comment at the PHP website showed me how to auto-detect whether an XML file is RSS or ATOM.

And now, we return to our regularly scheduled open thread.

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458 comments
1 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:23:54pm

Still monkeying around with the code?

Youtube Video

Hat tip to you, Charles.

2 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:27:27pm

I was just about to guess that that's what you were doing... sure I was.

3 seamonkey  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:28:00pm

Very cool. Will you donate some time to help the RNC out in its latest web effort? Their site is still in beta.

4 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:29:15pm

Nobody told me I needed a code.

What's the code?

Do I get kicked out unless I have the code?

5 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:30:01pm

Jinkies!

The bug is back. Spinning status wheel when I post. I got crabs or sumpin.

6 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:30:02pm

re: #4 Racer X

Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, start.

7 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:30:48pm

re: #6 bosforus

Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, start.

Ahh! nintendo.

8 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:30:57pm

Sorry to off topic so soon, and but I guess you could say I've still got a bit of shell stuck to me...

Anyone following the satirical website against Glenn Beck? ...In early September, Beck's interests filed a claim against claiming that the site was registered in bad faith and violated trademark rules. The World Intellectual Property Organization ruled Oct. 29 in the site creator's favor. After proving his innocence to the WIPO panel, the creator wrote Beck and gave him control of the web site. The site has been taken down... Here's the letter the creator wrote to him:

[Link: big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...]

tried to link without huffington post, but couldn't. It's a good letter.

9 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:31:07pm

re: #1 MandyManners

Monkey Man

Youtube Video
10 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:32:10pm

re: #7 Guanxi88

Ahh! nintendo.

The Konami code!

11 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:35:32pm

I'm gonna' be in and out because I'm helping The Kid with a report on salmon. We're all over the place on this: Chinooks, Alaska, the Columbia River, EPA, recipes, labels from cans of salmon, descriptions of the canning process, drawings of those gilled bastards, et bloody cet.

12 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:35:58pm

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

Monkey Man


David Byrne, with his own Monkey man song, plus, a bonus feature "A Million Miles Away" - easily the best "I'm quitting this job and getting the hell out of here" tune ever:

Youtube Video
13 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:36:11pm

re: #11 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be in and out because I'm helping The Kid with a report on salmon. We're all over the place on this: Chinooks, Alaska, the Columbia River, EPA, recipes, labels from cans of salmon, descriptions of the canning process, drawings of those gilled bastards, et bloody cet.

Don't forget smoked!

14 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:37:41pm

BTW, what about the renewed rumors that Steven Tyler has quit?

15 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:37:56pm

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

Don't forget smoked!

I was about to say: great on a bagel!

16 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:38:24pm

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

Don't forget smoked!

Oh, long about now I'd LOVE to know about things to be smoked.

17 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:38:36pm

re: #10 bosforus

The Konami code!

I used that code a lot. Some Konami games were impossible to beat without it.

18 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:38:46pm

re: #11 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be in and out because I'm helping The Kid with a report on salmon. We're all over the place on this: Chinooks, Alaska, the Columbia River, EPA, recipes, labels from cans of salmon, descriptions of the canning process, drawings of those gilled bastards, et bloody cet.

Seems kinda fishy to me...

19 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:38:49pm

re: #15 bratwurst

I was about to say: great on a bagel!

Don't forget the cream cheese and red onion!

20 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:40:11pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

Seems kinda fishy to me...

On which scales do you weigh that opinion?

21 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:40:21pm

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

Monkey Man


cool...my turf

22 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:40:37pm

re: #15 bratwurst

I was about to say: great on a bagel!

My mom came down from NJ a few weeks ago and brought me fresh bagels with locks & cream cheese.

Yum!

23 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:40:44pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

I used that code a lot. Some Konami games were impossible to beat without it.

I never managed to beat Contra without it. Didn't know it was used in other games until a long time later. Great, now I've got the Contra intro music stuck in my head.

24 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:41:41pm

re: #21 albusteve

cool...my turf

I have that album.

25 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:41:48pm

re: #23 bosforus

I never managed to beat Contra without it. Didn't know it was used in other games until a long time later. Great, now I've got the Contra intro music stuck in my head.

Still got blisters on my thumbs from that one!

26 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:03pm

re: #25 Guanxi88

Still got blisters on my thumbs from that one!

Ha ha, Nintendo thumb hurt like a son of a b*tch! Somehow it seemed worth it.

27 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:43:26pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

I have that album.

heh...I played out a couple of them...all my vinyl is stored at my moms...been years since I've even seen them

28 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:44:15pm

re: #20 MandyManners

On which scales do you weigh that opinion?

Metric?

29 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:46:10pm

re: #27 albusteve

heh...I played out a couple of them...all my vinyl is stored at my moms...been years since I've even seen them

I want to transfer my albums to my computer. How hard can that be?

30 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:46:48pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

I have that album.

back in the 70s, in Denver I knew a guy that had like 4000 records...all on one big wall in the family room...he could walk up a pick any record you asked for in 2 seconds...maybe 3 seconds

31 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:48:05pm

I haven't been around for awhile and I'm sure the topic of the Ft. Hood massacre has been thoroughly discussed, but as I listen to all the excuse- making for what this man did, I must contrast him to my childhood hero.

In 1945, during the battle of Okinawa, a medic conscientious objector named Desmond Doss, who had been repeatedly abused during basic training because of his religious beliefs, responded to his tormentors in the following manner:

The President of the United States
in the name of The Congress
takes pleasure in presenting the
Medal of Honor
to

DOSS, DESMOND T.
Rank and organization: Private First Class, U.S. Army, Medical Detachment, 307th Infantry, 77th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Urasoe Mura, Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, 29 April-21 May 1945. Entered service at: Lynchburg, Va. Birth: Lynchburg, Va. G.O. No.: 97, 1 November 1945.
Citation: He was a company aid man when the 1st Battalion assaulted a jagged escarpment 400 feet high As our troops gained the summit, a heavy concentration of artillery, mortar and machinegun fire crashed into them, inflicting approximately 75 casualties and driving the others back. Pfc. Doss refused to seek cover and remained in the fire-swept area with the many stricken, carrying them 1 by 1 to the edge of the escarpment and there lowering them on a rope-supported litter down the face of a cliff to friendly hands. On 2 May, he exposed himself to heavy rifle and mortar fire in rescuing a wounded man 200 yards forward of the lines on the same escarpment; and 2 days later he treated 4 men who had been cut down while assaulting a strongly defended cave, advancing through a shower of grenades to within 8 yards of enemy forces in a cave's mouth, where he dressed his comrades' wounds before making 4 separate trips under fire to evacuate them to safety. On 5 May, he unhesitatingly braved enemy shelling and small arms fire to assist an artillery officer. He applied bandages, moved his patient to a spot that offered protection from small arms fire and, while artillery and mortar shells fell close by, painstakingly administered plasma. Later that day, when an American was severely wounded by fire from a cave, Pfc. Doss crawled to him where he had fallen 25 feet from the enemy position, rendered aid, and carried him 100 yards to safety while continually exposed to enemy fire. On 21 May, in a night attack on high ground near Shuri, he remained in exposed territory while the rest of his company took cover, fearlessly risking the chance that he would be mistaken for an infiltrating Japanese and giving aid to the injured until he was himself seriously wounded in the legs by the explosion of a grenade. Rather than call another aid man from cover, he cared for his own injuries and waited 5 hours before litter bearers reached him and started carrying him to cover. The trio was caught in an enemy tank attack and Pfc. Doss, seeing a more critically wounded man nearby, crawled off the litter; and directed the bearers to give their first attention to the other man. Awaiting the litter bearers' return, he was again struck, this time suffering a compound fracture of 1 arm. With magnificent fortitude he bound a rifle stock to his shattered arm as a splint and then crawled 300 yards over rough terrain to the aid station. Through his outstanding bravery and unflinching determination in the face of desperately dangerous conditions Pfc. Doss saved the lives of many soldiers. His name became a symbol throughout the 77th Infantry Division for outstanding gallantry far above and beyond the call of duty.

32 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:48:07pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

My mom came down from NJ a few weeks ago and brought me fresh bagels with locks & cream cheese.

Yum!

Bet they weren't the round bread kind of things that are called "bagels" in much of the country either!

33 albusteve  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:51:00pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

I want to transfer my albums to my computer. How hard can that be?

a friend of mine back home has done just that...transferred all his collection to digital...it can be done...he's a geek and I'm not sure how he did it, but I can find out tho with a fone call...he has the largest music collection imaginable...hundreds upon hundreds of boots...dozens of live gigs from every band imaginable...I'm in awe when I visit him...he's in Mt Clemens MI

34 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:17pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Don't forget the cream cheese and red onion!

And capers!

35 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:22pm

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36 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:45pm

re: #31 shiek al beif salami

Magnificent! Great point, shiek, and very well made.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:52:49pm

re: #32 bratwurst

Bet they weren't the round bread kind of things that are called "bagels" in much of the country either!

There is a Jewish bakery down the street from my mom's house. You can smell the fresh bagels a half mile.

38 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:53:31pm

re: #25 Guanxi88

Still got blisters on my thumbs from that one!

How about your fingers?


Youtube Video
39 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:54:55pm

"I’ve been like a geek in a gadget store ever since."

What fun!

I occasionally visit the original Fry's electronics.
I ALWAYS run into someone I know.
Last time, he was embarassed to be "caught geeking" as he put it!

40 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #33 albusteve

a friend of mine back home has done just that...transferred all his collection to digital...it can be done...he's a geek and I'm not sure how he did it, but I can find out tho with a fone call...he has the largest music collection imaginable...hundreds upon hundreds of boots...dozens of live gigs from every band imaginable...I'm in awe when I visit him...he's in Mt Clemens MI

I bet I could figure it out. My turntable has been gathering dust for years. I wonder if it still works.

41 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:00:47pm

re: #16 MandyManners

Oh, long about now I'd LOVE to know about things to be smoked.

Should I put on some Doobie Brothers?

42 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:01:38pm

re: #34 Floral Giraffe

And capers!

I've never heard of capers on bagels.

43 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:02:13pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

Should I put on some Doobie Brothers?

Got anything about black water keep on turning?

44 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

I bet I could figure it out. My turntable has been gathering dust for years. I wonder if it still works.

Pretty simple really, just plug your turntable into your audio card, open up a recording program and click: record.

45 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:02:37pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

It used to be that the better sound cards had stereo audio-in capability, and an ADC to digitize the signal.

However, these days I don't know if the cheap built in audio-in ports, intended for headsets, are very good.

You'd need to connect the pre-amp output from the turntable into the audio-in of the computer. Waaayy back when, we used to run down to Radioshack to pick up the misc parts. Today you'd probably need to order online.

46 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:03:31pm

re: #3 seamonkey

Very cool. Will you donate some time to help the RNC out in its latest web effort? Their site is still in beta.

Homey/ Code Monkey is Very Cautious About Betas - Including FireFox. 'Nuff said?

-S-

47 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:04:55pm

OT:
Fox 5 NY reported that white powder was found in several envelopes that were sent to 3 international missions to the UN located in the City. No motive is known at the present. A total of 25 people at the 3 missions, Uzbekistan, Austria, and France, were decontaminated as a precaution.

48 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:05:25pm

re: #45 freetoken

The headset port is an audio-out port, to record use the Line-in port. Even most onboard audio has a Line-in now. Certainly an add on sound card would.

49 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:05:30pm

re: #42 MandyManners

I've never heard of capers on bagels.

Everything bagel, toasted, cream cheese, capers, THIN slice of red onion, thin slice of tomato, lots of lox = HEAVEN!
Best done by the half. Not made as a sandwich.

50 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:05:44pm

re: #43 MandyManners

Got anything about black water keep on turning?

Youtube Video
51 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:06:30pm

re: #47 lawhawk

OT:
Fox 5 NY reported that white powder was found in several envelopes that were sent to 3 international missions to the UN located in the City. No motive is known at the present. A total of 25 people at the 3 missions, Uzbekistan, Austria, and France, were decontaminated as a precaution.

Post-marks?

52 avanti  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:06:57pm

re: #44 Bagua

Pretty simple really, just plug your turntable into your audio card, open up a recording program and click: record.

Not that simple. You need a preamp or receiver to amplify and correct the audio curve from a magnetic phono cartridge.

here.

53 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:07:25pm

re: #49 Floral Giraffe

Everything bagel, toasted, cream cheese, capers, THIN slice of red onion, thin slice of tomato, lots of lox = HEAVEN!
Best done by the half. Not made as a sandwich.

Eat a bagel as a sandwich?

*thud*

54 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:08:11pm

re: #48 Bagua

The headset port is an audio-out port,

By "headset" I meant the two-way kind, with the mic, which most people don't use because it looks geeky.

55 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:09:14pm

re: #45 freetoken

It used to be that the better sound cards had stereo audio-in capability, and an ADC to digitize the signal.

However, these days I don't know if the cheap built in audio-in ports, intended for headsets, are very good.

You'd need to connect the pre-amp output from the turntable into the audio-in of the computer. Waaayy back when, we used to run down to Radioshack to pick up the misc parts. Today you'd probably need to order online.

freetoken -

The "Cheap Built-In Ports" work OK at least as long as you use "Audacity."
How Many CD's do you want to burn from your LP/Cassette Collection? ION was happy with the Audacity Program - so am I.

-S-

56 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:09:28pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

[Video]

Oh, dearie me. Oh, dearie me, oh mine.

57 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:09:48pm

Take me by the hand, pretty Mandy. Dance with your Sharmie all night long.

58 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:10:57pm

re: #57 Sharmuta

Take me by the hand, pretty Mandy. Dance with your Sharmie all night long.

I ain't got no worries at all.

Why not?

59 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:11:33pm

re: #56 MandyManners

Oh, dearie me. Oh, dearie me, oh mine.

I have a Doobie Brothers album that opens up to a huge picture of the band naked on horses.

60 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:12:39pm

re: #57 Sharmuta

Take me by the hand, pretty Mandy. Dance with your Sharmie all night long.

You two feel free to dance. But let me know before you share a goodnight kiss so I can get my camera. ;)

61 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:13:06pm

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

I have a Doobie Brothers album that opens up to a huge picture of the band naked on horses.

Oh. Interesting.

62 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:13:20pm

re: #58 MandyManners

I could only imagine you and I out on a night on the town. God- that would be fun. We could do some serious damage.

63 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:13:46pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Oh. Interesting.

I forget the name of the album. It's in the attic with all the other albums.

64 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:14:11pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

You two feel free to dance. But let me know before you share a goodnight kiss so I can get my camera. ;)

Why, you fucking perv! This is dancing to a song!

65 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:14:21pm

re: #57 Sharmuta

Take me by the hand, pretty Mandy. Dance with your Sharmie all night long.

Gonna pack my bags fast as I can
And I'm headin' on down to the Holy Land
To the Land, Holy Land, pretty mama
Gonna sing at the kotel all night long.

66 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:15:21pm

Where is the rake?

67 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:16:49pm

I'm not a php guy but there appears to be a bug in the code in the comment by "charlie". Looks like the conditional in the first test isn't in the second.

function is_atom($feedxml) {
@$feed = new SimpleXMLElement($feedxml);
($feed->entry)?true:false;

I assume that conditionals parse and execute faster since php is interpreted

So the is_rss block might run faster as :


function is_rss($feedxml) {
@$feed = new SimpleXMLElement($feedxml);
return ($feed->channel->item) ? true : false;
}

68 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:17:32pm

re: #53 MandyManners

Eat a bagel as a sandwich?

*thud*

Hey, I'm in California.
Folks do weird stuff here!

69 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:17:51pm

re: #66 Racer X

Where is the rake?

Hilarious!

70 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:45pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

I could only imagine you and I out on a night on the town. God- that would be fun. We could do some serious damage.


Eh. The last time I had a serious "night on the town" was when I was graduated from college. I had $1,000.00 in varrious denominations.

SPREAD THE WEALTH.

71 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:18:55pm

re: #68 Floral Giraffe

Hey, I'm in California.
Folks do weird stuff here!

You guys are the reason why you have to specify "real" chutney in restaurants. Just ask for chutney, and they bring you some gosh-awful mixture of mango jelly and whatever the chef didn't throw away or sprinkle on the last poor sucker's food.

72 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:19:27pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

I forget the name of the album. It's in the attic with all the other albums.

SLACKER.

73 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:20:42pm

re: #68 Floral Giraffe

Hey, I'm in California.
Folks do weird stuff here!

Shrinks for dogs?

74 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:21:05pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

My mom came down from NJ a few weeks ago and brought me fresh bagels with locks & cream cheese.

Yum!

I made fresh baguettes today!

Awesome.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:22:15pm

re: #73 MandyManners

Shrinks for dogs?

In California, as the late Molly Ivins once observed, starting a new religion for you is just our way of saying 'hi'.

76 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:23:01pm

re: #64 MandyManners

Why, you fucking perv! This is dancing to a song!

Sorry, Mandy, I'm a guy. I won't even say something obscene or lewd, but I will make mild banter like that at times.

77 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:23:04pm

re: #65 Guanxi88

Gonna pack my bags fast as I can
And I'm headin' on down to the Holy Land
To the Land, Holy Land, pretty mama
Gonna sing at the kotel all night long.

From Shlockstock.
No, really, there is such an album.

78 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:23:16pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

I forget the name of the album. It's in the attic with all the other albums.

I apologize for my most recent comment.

I have a link SOMEWHERE to all kinds of album links that have been *ahem* adjusted.

79 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:23:28pm

NGC 2623: Galaxy Merger from Hubble

80 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:05pm

re: #54 freetoken

By "headset" I meant the two-way kind, with the mic, which most people don't use because it looks geeky.

You still want the line in, but the mic input will work as well but it is generally not good enough quality and never used for audio.

Depending on your Phonograph and sound card, you may need a pre-amp as Avanti mentioned, you can route through your normal amp and use the line out for this, or use a small pre-amp. Some audio cards will also have this feature.

81 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #79 Racer X

NGC 2623: Galaxy Merger from Hubble

The Hubble's quite the peeping Tom.

82 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:29pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

In California, as the late Molly Ivins once observed, starting a new religion for you is just our way of saying 'hi'.

I miss Herb Cain... Great journalist
That's why I always use 3 dots
RIP Herb

83 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:45pm

re: #74 Alouette

I made fresh baguettes today!

Awesome.

I made a nine-year-old boy squeal in frustration today.

Normal.

84 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:51pm

re: #79 Racer X

NGC 2623: Galaxy Merger from Hubble

Beautiful!

85 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:24:57pm

re: #77 Guanxi88

From Shlockstock.
No, really, there is such an album.

[Link: catalog.shlockrock.com...]

86 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:25:25pm

re: #77 Guanxi88

From Shlockstock.
No, really, there is such an album.

Schlock Rock or Rechnitzer Rejects?

87 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:26:32pm

re: #81 bosforus

The Hubble's quite the peeping Tom.

That image is very cool when you blow it up to full size!

88 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:26:51pm

re: #83 MandyManners

I made a nine-year-old boy squeal in frustration today.

Normal.

My #1 son (okay, I've only got one, but you have to leave room for the possibility) - anyone, son& heir met his first great dane (the dog, not hamlet) yesterday.

With great repidation, I watched a 3 year old, non verbal autistic boy totter over to this horse of a dog, wrap his arms around its neck, and bury his head on its shoulder. Dog just leaned over and sorta nuzzled him, and my little guy spent the rest of the time petting him and laughing. Amzaing, the way dogs just know.

89 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:27:16pm

Did somebody say monkey?

Youtube Video
90 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:28:22pm

re: #86 Alouette

Schlock Rock or Rechnitzer Rejects?

schlock rock.

91 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:29:42pm

And, from The Kinks:

Youtube Video
92 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:29:57pm

re: #88 Guanxi88

My #1 son (okay, I've only got one, but you have to leave room for the possibility) - anyone, son& heir met his first great dane (the dog, not hamlet) yesterday.

With great repidation, I watched a 3 year old, non verbal autistic boy totter over to this horse of a dog, wrap his arms around its neck, and bury his head on its shoulder. Dog just leaned over and sorta nuzzled him, and my little guy spent the rest of the time petting him and laughing. Amzaing, the way dogs just know.

Dogs get it.

And dogs, I bet, are less frustrated by 'non-verbal' than people are. You can still smell him, right? Lick him? OK. Communication is covered.

93 SteveC  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:30:04pm

Side by side comparison of the Pelosi bill and the Baucus bill

One will kill ya. The other one will just murder ya.

94 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:30:06pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

In California, as the late Molly Ivins once observed, starting a new religion for you is just our way of saying 'hi'.

EST, anyone?

95 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:30:27pm

re: #91 Mad Al-Jaffee

And, from The Kinks:


[Video]

There we go. Cool.

96 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:30:35pm

re: #87 Racer X

That image is very cool when you blow it up to full size!

Indeed it is. Beautiful. The Hubble is the shiznite! To put it one way.

97 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:31:03pm

The Monkey Speaks His Mind:

Youtube Video
98 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:31:07pm

plz, no mor lolz

99 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:32:26pm

re: #88 Guanxi88

My #1 son (okay, I've only got one, but you have to leave room for the possibility) - anyone, son& heir met his first great dane (the dog, not hamlet) yesterday.

With great repidation, I watched a 3 year old, non verbal autistic boy totter over to this horse of a dog, wrap his arms around its neck, and bury his head on its shoulder. Dog just leaned over and sorta nuzzled him, and my little guy spent the rest of the time petting him and laughing. Amzaing, the way dogs just know.

That's great!
The Alzheimers Care facility where I had a relative living, had retired racing Greyhounds ( MY gosh, but they're big!) As house pets. Such wonderful, gentle animals.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:33:19pm

re: #94 Floral Giraffe

EST, anyone?

God. I know a woman who was sent to an EST-inspired after school group as an elementary schooler. Not in California.

On the other hand, I also knew a lady of blessed memory--child survivor of the Holocaust, Dutch as Dutch can be--who, when she came to San Francisco as a young woman in the 60s/70s, was hired by one of the ESTy groups as an admin. They insisted all employees do the program. They tried to make her cry. I was told this story by a mutual friend, who paused at this point, and said "Well, as you can imagine, Miep wasn't the one crying when they were done..."

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:34:14pm

re: #96 bosforus

Indeed it is. Beautiful. The Hubble is the shiznite! To put it one way.

To put it another way, I read that as "The Hubble is the schnitzel."

102 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:18pm

re: #90 Guanxi88

schlock rock.

A little trip down memory lane, Mein Shtetl Belz:

Youtube Video

Perhaps you'd prefer a yiddish tango? Tsvey Shvartsen Oygen:

Youtube Video
103 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:35:24pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

To put it another way, I read that as "The Hubble is the schnitzel."

Mmmm, Hubble schnitzel...

104 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:37:43pm
Youtube Video
105 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:39:08pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

God. I know a woman who was sent to an EST-inspired after school group as an elementary schooler. Not in California.

On the other hand, I also knew a lady of blessed memory--child survivor of the Holocaust, Dutch as Dutch can be--who, when she came to San Francisco as a young woman in the 60s/70s, was hired by one of the ESTy groups as an admin. They insisted all employees do the program. They tried to make her cry. I was told this story by a mutual friend, who paused at this point, and said "Well, as you can imagine, Miep wasn't the one crying when they were done..."

I regret only having one upding to give!

106 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:40:19pm

World's Largest Things

107 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:40:58pm
Youtube Video

Benny Goodman, with Martha Tilton, in a swinging, tight version of Bei mir bist du schoen

And who could forget the Barry Sisters?

Youtube Video

With moishe oysher's amazing talents:

Youtube Video
108 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:42:16pm
This photograph taken on Friday, Nov. 6, 2009 in Killeen, Texas, shows a copy of the Quran and a briefcase holding this business card that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan gave to his neighbor a day before going on a shooting spree at the Fort Hood Army Base.

Look closely at his business card, what do you see?

109 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:42:24pm

Crazy Electric Fiddle

Youtube Video

Rock on, dude.

110 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:44:15pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Look closely at his business card, what do you see?

Holy cows! He puts that right there on his cards, for everyone to see but no one to understand?

111 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:44:55pm

re: #106 Racer X

World's Largest Things

The Chicago Merchandise Mart--isn't a large chunk of that owned by the Kennedy family?

112 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:45:11pm

Nothing really matress

113 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:46:17pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Look closely at his business card, what do you see?

aol? He did have problems.

114 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:46:40pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Look closely at his business card, what do you see?

Wonder if we could get a larger image, to highlight it better. Might make the puzzle of his motive somewhat less puzzling.

115 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:46:48pm

re: #110 Guanxi88

Holy cows! He puts that right there on his cards, for everyone to see but no one to understand?

Yup, pretty bold don't ya think?

116 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:47:04pm

re: #110 Guanxi88

We All Live in a Yellow Submarine sung in Yiddish!

117 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:47:10pm

re: #115 NJDhockeyfan

Yup, pretty bold don't ya think?

A trail of breadcrumbs, this guy left. And no one noticed.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:47:45pm

re: #115 NJDhockeyfan

Yup, pretty bold don't ya think?

What are you seeing?

119 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:48:07pm
120 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:48:34pm

I cant see anything...whats there?

121 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:49:50pm

re: #119 NJDhockeyfan

Wow.

122 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:50:01pm
123 SteveC  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:50:21pm

Wildly off topic:

I filled out the required forms and asked Johns Hopkins Hospital for my records from my 1967 heart surgery back in February. I got them - about 100 pages - Saturday.

About half of them are the nurses notes: Input/output, what I'm doing, etc. "Patient tolerates food well," one note says - hell, that's true even now! Since they were pretty fanatical about the input/output I call those the Pee and Poop sheets.

Photocopies of EKG strips, Catherization reports, and X-ray reports. No X-rays, but rather the Radiologist's interpretation.

A note that "Dr. Taussig examined the patient and consulted with his parents." Helen Taussig practically invented Pediatric Cardiology and is responsible for suggesting the very first heart surgery, the Blalock-Taussig Shunt. She's a hero of mine. She retired in 1963 but she was an old warhorse, you couldn't keep her away from the fight. She stopped in once or twice a week and examined patients as a consultant. And my parents like to remind me that I greeted my hero by spitting up on her! (Hey, I was 5 months old!)

There's also the Operative Report -a lot of things I never knew. I was too young for the heart lung machine, so they stopped my heart by hypothermia - they placed me in ice until my body temperature dropped. (No wonder I don't like cold weather!) They did a Blalock-Hanlon procedure on me - I had no idea what that was, and I'm the guy who knows hearts! In the Blalock-Hanlon they cut into the heart and make a hole in the heart wall. You have to have a hole in the heart wall to survive my defect, and when they did the cath they didn't think it was big enough.

Not in any of the paperwork is the stories my parents have told - they got a room in a boarding house about a block away, (Its not there anymore - it has been replaced by a parking lot) and stayed there three weeks. There was no refrigerator in the room, but it was cold enough that they could leave perishables on the windowsill and they would stay cold.

On the last day, daddy looked around the room one last time before we left Baltimore. There was a Pepsi on the windowsill, so he grabbed it, dropped it in his coat pocket, and brought it home with him.

That 1967 Pepsi sitting on my shelf today.

Thanks for letting me tell you about a few stories.

124 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:51:11pm

re: #116 Alouette

We All Live in a Yellow Submarine sung in Yiddish!

Everything's better in yiddish!

An old prof of mine used to belong to a Yiddish Shakespearen society, and swore that Billy's plays sounded great in English, but were absolutely perfect in Yiddish. He'd bore me with recitations of Hamlet and Julius Caesar (especially Marc Antony's speech) for hours. How I miss the man.

Zayn oder nit zayn - dos iz de frag:

125 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:51:24pm
126 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:51:45pm
127 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:51:50pm

Magic Missile!

128 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:52:31pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

OK--if that's the correct interpretation, it's pretty interesting/alarming. Is that really what it means? I googled it and got only an avalanche of references to this card. Have the initials been used this way before?

Consistently used to render the abbreviation in Latin script.

129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:52:36pm

re: #94 Floral Giraffe

EST, anyone?

EST?

130 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:53:14pm

Before everyone goes off half-cocked with the latest Pamela Geller rumor, it would be nice to know if there's another organization with the initials "SoA," don't you think?

131 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:54:35pm

re: #130 Charles

Before everyone goes off half-cocked with the latest Pamela Geller rumor, it would be nice to know if there's another organization with the initials "SoA," don't you think?

Malkin is spewing that shit today...Talk about jumping the Shark

132 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:54:45pm

re: #123 SteveC

On the last day, daddy looked around the room one last time before we left Baltimore. There was a Pepsi on the windowsill, so he grabbed it, dropped it in his coat pocket, and brought it home with him.

That 1967 Pepsi sitting on my shelf today.

Thanks for letting me tell you about a few stories.

Oh, that is precious!

133 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:55:27pm

re: #130 Charles

Before everyone goes off half-cocked with the latest Pamela Geller rumor, it would be nice to know if there's another organization with the initials "SoA," don't you think?

Skip the SoA thing, the SWT is enough. SoA could be anything, and I doubt he'd use an english abbreviation at the head and wrap up with Arabic abbreviation in Latin Script.

134 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:55:34pm

The Acronym Finder has 88 definitions for SOA under Military and Government.

135 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:56:28pm

Speaking of bizarre.

Jim Carrey's web site

136 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:56:43pm

re: #130 Charles

Before everyone goes off half-cocked with the latest Pamela Geller rumor, it would be nice to know if there's another organization with the initials "SoA," don't you think?

There's Sons of Anarchy, but that's not real. And the full acronym is SAMCRO.

:)

137 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:57:08pm

re: #134 Charles

The Acronym Finder has 88 definitions for SOA under Military and Government.

Do any of them reference the name of the one after whose name or abbreviation it is customary to place the SWT? That's the tell, to me. When I saw it, I skipped SoA and went straight to SWT.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:57:36pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

EST?

Group awareness/training program that was wildly popular during the 70s. Trendy, attracted some truly unpleasant people.

139 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:57:53pm

re: #134 Charles

It also appears to be an Islamic rap group...
Muslim for life- S.O.A

Youtube Video

Doesn't seem something a middle aged psychiatrist would be into.
140 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:58:12pm

re: #133 Guanxi88

Skip the SoA thing, the SWT is enough. SoA could be anything, and I doubt he'd use an english abbreviation at the head and wrap up with Arabic abbreviation in Latin Script.

I get a down ding for agreeing that SoA doesn't necessarily mean anything in English, and is an unlikely formulation, given that the rest of the abbreviation is Arabic rendered in latin script? Tough audience.

141 carefulnow  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:59:09pm

re: #134 Charles

The Acronym Finder has 88 definitions for SOA under Military and Government.

It's SoA on the card, if it is his card, not SOA.
re: #133 Guanxi88

Skip the SoA thing, the SWT is enough. SoA could be anything, and I doubt he'd use an english abbreviation at the head and wrap up with Arabic abbreviation in Latin Script.

Why not? Sorta reminds me of some of the Spanglish I hear (and speak.)

142 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:59:13pm

re: #130 Charles

Before everyone goes off half-cocked with the latest Pamela Geller rumor, it would be nice to know if there's another organization with the initials "SoA," don't you think?

Good point. Anyone know what the SWT means?

143 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:00:03pm

re: #135 Racer X

Speaking of bizarre.

Jim Carrey's web site

Weird site, from a weird anti-vaxer.

144 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:00:11pm

re: #142 bosforus

Good point. Anyone know what the SWT means?

Wiki:

Subhanahu wa-ta'ala (Arabic: سبحانه وتعالى‎) is an Islamic Arabic phrase meaning, "glorious and exalted is He (Allah)." The phrase (often abbreviated to "swt") appears after the name of Allah in Islamic texts such as the Qur'an and the Hadith. Saying this phrase is seen as an act of reverence and devotion towards Allah among Muslims.

"Muslims believe that Allah is the only God, the Creator of the Universe. He does not have partners or children. Sometimes Muslims use other expressions when the name of Allah is written or pronounced. Some of which are: "'Azza Wa Jall": He is the Mighty and the Majestic; "Jalla Jalaluh": He is the exalted Majestic. S.W.T. These letters are abbreviations for the words of "Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala"." ([Link: www.muslimtents.com...]

145 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:00:33pm

re: #133 Guanxi88

Skip the SoA thing, the SWT is enough. SoA could be anything, and I doubt he'd use an english abbreviation at the head and wrap up with Arabic abbreviation in Latin Script.

The acronym SWT stands for South Warwickshire Tourism. Clearly he was a Shakespeare fan.

146 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:00:36pm

re: #130 Charles

Before everyone goes off half-cocked with the latest Pamela Geller rumor, it would be nice to know if there's another organization with the initials "SoA," don't you think?

Howzabout

SoA : "service-oriented architecture" and SWT: "standard widget toolkit".

147 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:00:41pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: www.esalen.org...]

I'm not POSITIVE the second link is related, but it's all original, before it had a name..New Age. Very California, in some ways. Reinvent yourself!

148 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:01:02pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Look closely at his business card, what do you see?

Society of Actuaries, South West Texas?

149 carefulnow  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:01:48pm

Gah - these acronyms are not funny.

150 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:02:44pm

re: #149 carefulnow

NFA's?
/Not Funny Acronym

151 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:02:48pm

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

Most interesting.

152 SteveC  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:03:00pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Weird site, from a weird anti-vaxer.

See, Children, this is what happens when you try to be Jenny McCarty's "Special Friend"!

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:04:36pm

SWT apparently also stands for Structured Writing Therapy.

154 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:05:01pm

re: #134 Charles

The Acronym Finder has 88 definitions for SOA under Military and Government.

The world has far too many TLA's.

155 carefulnow  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:05:18pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

It's horrifying, not funny, imho.

156 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:05:39pm

Damn! I got deleted. Anyways, assuming that SWT means what it customarily does when used by a muslim using a latin alphabet, it suggests, in this case, that whatever was abbreviated immediately before it contained some reference to the Author of creation.

157 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:06:25pm

What if Matrix was shot in the silent films' era

Youtube Video

Video from Russian actor's group "Big Difference" (Bolshaya Raznitsa / Большая Разница). They specialize mostly on Russian TV show parodies.

Now this is trippy. Very cool.

158 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:07:11pm

re: #155 carefulnow

It's horrifying, not funny, imho.

I agree: the SOA is quite a horrifying thought.

/Sarbanes-Oxley Act {shudder}

159 carefulnow  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:09:30pm

re: #158 Bagua

Ghouls!

160 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:10:07pm

God done shed His Grace.


Youtube Video
161 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:10:35pm

re: #159 carefulnow

Ghouls!

You have something to say class of 2004?

Don't be shy, share your feelings with the group.

162 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:11:20pm

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

You're right. I used to troll participate in some Islamic forums in the months after 9/11, and they always put "swt" after Allah's name. When they mentioned The Prophet, the honorific they used was SAW or SAAW. It means "salle alaa hu alaihi wa sallim", which is the Arabic for Peace Be Upon Him, or PBUH.

163 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:11:24pm

SWT could be Special Weapons Team, but that seems unlikely for inclusion on a civilian card, which does not otherwise reference his service.

SoA could be school of Americas, but that's for foreign personnel, and, again, is an unlikely thing to put on a civilian card.

164 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:11:52pm

SoA

Secretary of the Army?

165 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:12:14pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

SoA

Secretary of the Army?

Thought he was a major.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:12:16pm

Odd.

167 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:12:55pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

SoA

Secretary of the Army?

Special Office Assistant?

168 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:12:56pm

re: #161 Bagua

You have something to say class of 2004?

You rang?

169 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:13:20pm

More odd.

Sammy Sosa's Lighter Skin Revealed In New Pictures

170 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:13:27pm

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

171 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:13:32pm

Islands as seen from outer spaceIt looks even better than modern art.

172 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:13:43pm

re: #130 Charles

Before everyone goes off half-cocked with the latest Pamela Geller rumor, it would be nice to know if there's another organization with the initials "SoA," don't you think?

Shrieking harpy or no, she may be right this time.

173 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:14:54pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

It also appears to be an Islamic rap group...
Muslim for life- S.O.A


Doesn't seem something a middle aged psychiatrist would be into.

True enough.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:14:57pm

re: #172 The Sanity Inspector

Shrieking harpy or no, she may be right this time.

She may, but I'd like for a coworker of his to take a look at the card before we accept her interpretation as God's truth--which it already appears to be on Google.

175 SteveC  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:15:00pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

Hate to hear that, Falcon. My thoughts are with you.

176 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:15:37pm

My website (the Zionist Mall, not the Vicious Babushka) has the Hebrew acronym BSD בסד on every page. It stand for "B'siyata dishmaya" which is Aramaic for "With G-D's Help"

It's hosted on a Windows platform, but you can't imagine the amount of Unix BSD spam and postal junk mail that I get.

177 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:41pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

It also appears to be an Islamic rap group...
Muslim for life- S.O.A


Doesn't seem something a middle aged psychiatrist would be into.

They're associated with Hizb ut-Tahrir, a sunni revolutionary group preaching pan-islamism.

178 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:16:45pm

re: #168 Mich-again

You rang?

Not you, the sleeper cells.

179 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:17:33pm

Amazing wheelbarrow race.

Youtube Video
180 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:17:35pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

Be well. Do something that is good. Then do something that you will enjoy.
Heck, do something in honor of your friend. We're all mortal, here.
Life is short, and precious.
{{DF}}

181 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:17:47pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

That's tough, DF. I'm sorry to hear that.

182 cliffster  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:18:32pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

Sorry DF.

183 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:18:37pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

Addendum: I am hearing that he died of the flu. Don't know if it was H1N1. Here's a link:

RIP

184 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:18:50pm

re: #167 Guanxi88

Special Office Assistant?

State of Alaska?

Maybe he's a Palin fan.

185 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:19:08pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

My condolences to all concerned.

186 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:19:37pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

Sorry to hear that. I hope his family is ok.

187 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:19:53pm

{DF} I'm sorry for your loss. My his family and friends be comforted.

188 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:20:09pm

re: #180 Floral Giraffe

Be well. Do something that is good. Then do something that you will enjoy. Heck, do something in honor of your friend. We're all mortal, here.
Life is short, and precious.

Good advice.

189 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:20:30pm

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

State of Alaska?

Maybe he's a Palin fan.

Damn Tea Partiers!

190 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:20:53pm

re: #176 Alouette

My website (the Zionist Mall, not the Vicious Babushka) has the Hebrew acronym BSD בסד on every page. It stand for "B'siyata dishmaya" which is Aramaic for "With G-D's Help"


I was thinking of this or "B'ezrat hashem" which I often see on religious documents.

191 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:21:13pm

re: #42 MandyManners

I've never heard of capers on bagels.


Haven't you read "Sherlock and the Bagel Caper"?

192 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:21:31pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

Damn Tea Partiers!

If I see IHSV on a card from a Christian, I know it's a religious message, and go looking for the Cross. I see SWT on anything written by or for a muslim, I look for the name of the creator.

193 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:21:40pm

Son of Allah! /

194 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:22:05pm

I'm getting frog-marched off the 'puter, so the SO can watch her blinker-blankin' Korea soap operas some more. grrr!! Nightskies.

195 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:22:16pm

re: #191 Stuart Leviton

Haven't you read "Sherlock and the Bagel Caper"?

I just saw a commercial for a new Sherlock Holmes movie.

196 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:22:24pm

re: #186 Racer X

Sorry to hear that. I hope his family is ok.

I don't know. His mother is dead, but I know he had siblings. I hope they make it through this in decent shape. My prayers will be for him and them tonight.

197 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:22:30pm

re: #193 Mich-again

Son of Allah! /

That may be the very meaning! In which case it's innocuous, and even to be expected.

198 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:22:43pm

re: #193 Mich-again

Son of Allah! /

"He begetteh not, nor is he begotten."

199 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:23:15pm

re: #193 Mich-again

Son of Allah! /

Wait, though, Allah has no sons

200 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:23:30pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I just found out that a friend of mine has died. I don't how yet. He was younger than I am. That leaves me thinking a lot of my own mortality.

I hope it will make you pay attention to taking care of yourself.
Finish up unfinished business.
Heal anything in your life, that you think needs healing.

And, above all, be thankful for every day, that you wake up & the sun is in the sky.

(This from one, who has buried 3 elders in the past 3 years.)

201 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:08pm

Six-legged goat to grab eyeballs at goat exhibition

Call it birth defect or wish of the Almighty, a goat with six legs, four testicles and three penis will be spared from holy sacrifice
on the occasion of Id-ul-Juha (Bakrid) this year.

While the black-coloured goat, barely one-year-old and weighing around 10 kg, is all set to attract attention during the goat exhibition prior to the festival, the owner of the goat has ruled out any chances of sacrifice of the unique goat on the auspicious day.

"This goat is a gift of God and the sacrifice of such a goat is not allowed in Islam," said Sher Mohammed, the owner of the goat, while talking to TOI on Sunday. "The goat can be displayed during Bakrid exhibition, but sacrifice of the goat is strictly prohibited," he added.

Saying the goat was born with six legs, four testicles and three penis a year ago, the owner adds it can walk freely and normally like other goats. "It faces problems in defecating and urinating, as discharge of urine is witnessed after frequent intervals from different penis. But still, it is a special goat that attracts attention of people," he added.

His neighbour Sarfaraz maintained that such a goat was rare in the city and had not been witnessed till date in any parts of the region. "I have seen goats with the name of Allah or the holy number 786 on their bodies, but a goat with six legs is definitely unique and special," he said.

202 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:14pm

re: #194 The Sanity Inspector

Whats a SO?

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:32pm

re: #199 Guanxi88

Wait, though, Allah has no sons

Lam yalid, w'lam yulad...but does that rule out people from being called His children in the Muslim tradition?

204 cliffster  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:36pm

Don't be distracted by criticism. Remember- the only taste of success some people have is when they take a bite out of you.

205 bosforus  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:43pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I don't know. His mother is dead, but I know he had siblings. I hope they make it through this in decent shape. My prayers will be for him and them tonight.

If you know how to get in to contact with them a phone call or any kind of message would undoubtedly go a long way.

206 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:24:51pm

re: #202 Mich-again

Significant Other

207 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:25:18pm

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

State of Alaska?

Maybe he's a Palin fan.

Speaking of the Palin family:

Levi Johnston Filing For Joint Custody Of His Son

208 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:25:49pm

Investigators say Fort Hood suspect acted alone

The Army psychiatrist accused of the Fort Hood massacre is believed to have acted alone despite repeated communications — monitored by authorities — with a radical imam overseas, U.S. officials said Monday. The FBI will conduct an internal review of its handling of the information, they said.

An investigative official and a Republican lawmaker said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was in contact with Anwar al-Awlaki, an imam released from a Yemeni jail last year, 10 to 20 times. Despite that, no formal investigation was opened into Hasan, they said.

Investigative officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case. Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said it was his understanding Hasan and the imam exchanged e-mails that counterterrorism officials picked up.

209 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:26:39pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Lam yalid, w'lam yulad...but does that rule out people from being called His children in the Muslim tradition?

Maybe something to that. They swipe so much else from the Judaic tradition, why not this as well.

Then it is Son of Allah (SWT). If so, nothing else can be read into it other than he's indicating, to muslim patients, that he is aware of and sensitive to their concerns.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:26:42pm

re: #202 Mich-again

Whats a SO?

Significant Other.

211 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:27:59pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

GMTA!

And, may I have the pleasure of a story from your school?
They're really heart warming!

212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:28:24pm

re: #205 bosforus

If you know how to get in to contact with them a phone call or any kind of message would undoubtedly go a long way.

I don't but, I'll try to see if there is an address I can send my condolences to.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:28:36pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of the Palin family:

Levi Johnston Filing For Joint Custody Of His Son

Oh, good grief.

214 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:29:23pm

re: #208 Sharmuta

Acted alone, after being influenced by a cult.

215 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:29:33pm

You may not like Krugman, but this column is spot on.

Read paragraph five. Then read it again:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Hoo boy.

216 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:29:42pm

re: #208 Sharmuta

I wonder if there was a file on him from before this all happened.

217 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:29:46pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of the Palin family:

Levi Johnston Filing For Joint Custody Of His Son

What a fucking circus.

218 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:30:06pm

re: #216 Mich-again

I wonder if there was a file on him from before this all happened.

If not, somebody needs to get fired.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:30:28pm

re: #214 Racer X

Acted alone, after being influenced by a cult.

Bingo.

220 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:30:35pm

re: #217 NJDhockeyfan

What a fucking circus.

Wasilla hillbillies!

Whee!!

221 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:30:54pm

re: #191 Stuart Leviton

Haven't you read "Sherlock and the Bagel Caper"?

Is that the case where he defeats Dr. Morri Artyberg, the 10 millionth most dangerous man in London, in an argument over a point of Talmud?

222 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:31:53pm

re: #214 Racer X

Acted alone, after being influenced by a cult.

You mean Levi Johnston?

223 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:32:25pm

re: #218 Guanxi88

If not, somebody needs to get fired.

And if there is, someone needs to get fired.

224 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:32:51pm

Hello Night Lizards!

I'm really glad Charles works so hard to keep LGF up-to-date. I just don't understand anything he says when he shares it with us.

How are you-all?

225 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:33:17pm

re: #216 Mich-again

I wonder if there was a file on him from before this all happened.

Yes. Earlier news reports indicated that not only had he asked to separated from the Army, before his deployment, but he had offered to reimburse the gov't for his training.

Stop loss strikes again.

226 Racer X  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:33:41pm
Something may come through' dimensional 'doors' at LHC

A top boffin at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) says that the titanic machine may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena, or "unknown unknowns" - for instance "an extra dimension".

"Out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it," said Sergio Bertolucci, who is Director for Research and Scientific Computing at CERN, briefing reporters including the Reg at CERN HQ earlier this week.


Um, not today

Baguette Dropped From Bird's Beak Shuts Down The Large Hadron Collider (Really)

The Large Hadron Collider, the world's most powerful particle accelerator, just cannot catch a break. First, a coolant leak destroyed some of the magnets that guide the energy beam. Then LHC officials postponed the restart of the machine to add additional safety features. Now, a bird dropping a piece of bread on a section of the accelerator has, according to the Register, shut down the whole operation.

The bird dropped some bread on a section of outdoor machinery, eventually leading to significant over heating in parts of the accelerator. The LHC was not operational at the time of the incident, but the spike produced so much heat that had the beam been on, automatic failsafes would have shut down the machine.

This incident won't delay the reactivation of the facility later this month, but exposes yet another vulnerability of the what might be the most complex machine ever built. With freak accident after freak accident piling up over at CERN, the idea of time traveling particles returning from the future to prevent their own discovery is beginning to seem less and less far fetched.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:34:36pm

re: #209 Guanxi88

Maybe something to that. They swipe so much else from the Judaic tradition, why not this as well.

Then it is Son of Allah (SWT). If so, nothing else can be read into it other than he's indicating, to muslim patients, that he is aware of and sensitive to their concerns.

Maybe. I'd like to hear from another shrink about what they think it might represent, and another Muslim.

228 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:34:43pm

re: #215 austin_blue

You may not like Krugman, but this column is spot on.

Read paragraph five. Then read it again:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Hoo boy.

Sadly, I'm forced to conclude that Paul Krugman has a point here. The GOP has got to diminish the influence of the crazy right. Otherwise, the GOP becomes a rump party and ultimately that isn't good for anyone.

229 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:36:43pm

re: #226 Racer X

A top boffin...says that the titanic machine may possibly create ..."unknown unknowns"

Interesting. Is his name Donald Rumsfeld?

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:36:46pm

re: #211 Floral Giraffe

GMTA!

And, may I have the pleasure of a story from your school?
They're really heart warming!

We were off today for Veteran's Day! But last week, we were in Faith Families, trying to choose a service day project.

"I think we should choose the soup kitchen or something, because we need to, like, stretch ourselves as Christians and do the thing we don't think will be as much fun. Did Sister leave any candy in here?" says one kid in a rush, and leaps out his seat to look for Tootsie Rolls.

"Dude. ADD much?" says another student.

231 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:37:08pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I'm forced to conclude that Paul Krugman has a point here. The GOP has got to diminish the influence of the crazy right. Otherwise, the GOP becomes a rump party and ultimately that isn't good for anyone.

Don't be sad. Facts are facts.

232 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:37:44pm

bbiab

233 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:38:51pm

re: #225 austin_blue

Yes. Earlier news reports indicated that not only had he asked to separated from the Army, before his deployment, but he had offered to reimburse the gov't for his training.

In my opinion, that alone wouldn't lead to an assumption that he was potentially a psychopath, but if you combine that with the pro-jihadi arguments he publicly made, it should have set off a 5-alarm fire bell.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:39:24pm

re: #221 John Neverbend

Is that the case where he defeats Dr. Morri Artyberg, the 10 millionth most dangerous man in London, in an argument over a point of Talmud?

There's an hilarious episode of Keen Eddie--a truly great show that was cancelled too soon--where the main character's love interest's coworker's kid brother (you got that?) runs away from home to get out of his bar mitzvah. He shows up at the main character's love interest's apartment in London with a guitar, a pot plant, and a volume of Talmud.

"What's that?" she demands, pointing.

"It's the Talmud."

"NO, in your other hand!"

235 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:39:54pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Otherwise, the GOP becomes a rump party.

Does that mean that they'll be the butt of all political jokes?

236 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:40:28pm

re: #235 John Neverbend

Does that mean that they'll be the butt of all political jokes?

SMACK!

237 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:42:00pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Politics is like a Lava Lamp.

238 Athens Runaway  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:42:48pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Don't be sad. Facts are facts.

Why should we listen to the guy who recommended creating economic bubbles?

It seems to me that after that boner, he'd shut up and people would take what he said and do the opposite.

239 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:42:54pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Don't be sad. Facts are facts.

I am sad, because the facts are quite grim. I fear for the future, and that makes me said. A rump GOP does not help anyone, not even partisan Democrats. Ultimately, the two parties need each other reasonably healthy, if only to keep each other honest.

240 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:43:14pm

re: #233 Mich-again

In my opinion, that alone wouldn't lead to an assumption that he was potentially a psychopath, but if you combine that with the pro-jihadi arguments he publicly made, it should have set off a 5-alarm fire bell.

No duh. Brilliant decision by the Army, yes? He begged to get out and repay the gov't for his training.

Gov'ts response? Fuck off. You are in as long as we need you.

Bang bang bang.

241 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:44:11pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

There's an hilarious episode of Keen Eddie--a truly great show that was cancelled too soon.

Alas, I never saw it. Are you a Holmes fan? I am, which is why I don't think I'll be seeing the new movie with Robert Downie Jr.

242 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:44:55pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of the Palin family:

Levi Johnston Filing For Joint Custody Of His Son

1.) Were I ever, let's say injudicious enough to be in his shoes I would do the same, only a hell of a lot sooner than this.

2.) So far he has really only been exploiting himself in the pursuit of dry-humping his fifteen-minutes into cold cash, whereas Sarah quit her job and lives on scaring old people into believing Obama's death panels are going to swallow their souls.

243 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:44:56pm

re: #240 austin_blue

No duh. Brilliant decision by the Army, yes? He begged to get out and repay the gov't for his training.

Gov'ts response? Fuck off. You are in as long as we need you.

Bang bang bang.

Klinger on MASH wanted out too. Are you trying to say everyone who wants out before their deployment is a potential mass murderer if they don't get their way?

244 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:45:54pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

A rump GOP does not help anyone, not even partisan Democrats.

Agreed, they're doing a really bum job at being a credible party.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:46:10pm

re: #241 John Neverbend

Alas, I never saw it. Are you a Holmes fan? I am, which is why I don't think I'll be seeing the new movie with Robert Downie Jr.

I have never actually read the Holmes stories, although I have been exposed to them through fans...

Have to say, the new movie's trailer looked hilarious.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:47:26pm

re: #243 Mich-again

Klinger on MASH wanted out too. Are you trying to say everyone who wants out before their deployment is a potential mass murderer if they don't get their way?

Klinger was considered sane and able to function by his coworkers, though.

247 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:48:01pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

I have never actually read the Holmes stories, although I have been exposed to them through fans...

Have to say, the new movie's trailer looked hilarious.

Any exposure to Sherlock Holmes is good (oo-er, that sounds a bit rude).

248 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:48:46pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

Klinger was considered sane and able to function by his coworkers, though.

As was Yossarian.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:50:09pm

re: #248 John Neverbend

As was Yossarian.

Good point.

250 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:50:41pm

re: #238 Athens Runaway

Why should we listen to the guy who recommended creating economic bubbles?

It seems to me that after that boner, he'd shut up and people would take what he said and do the opposite.

One column from 2005? C'mon!

Here's another hero:

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George Bush March 18, 2003

All in all, Krugman has been much more accurate than Bush, wouldn't you say?

251 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:51:15pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

Klinger was considered sane and able to function by his coworkers, though.

I think austin_blue says the Army f'ed up by not letting him out of his commitment because he told them he wanted out and would even repay them for the training. I think they f'ed up by ignoring all the pro-jihadi crapola he spewed.

253 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:53:31pm

re: #251 Mich-again

Refusing to be in pictures with women should have been a huge flag, imo.

254 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:54:07pm

re: #243 Mich-again

Klinger on MASH wanted out too. Are you trying to say everyone who wants out before their deployment is a potential mass murderer if they don't get their way?

No. Klinger, as you may recall, was a fictional character in a fucking sit-com. This guy was a no shit Sunni Baptist Muslim who really really didn't want to have anything to do with American Muslims having anything to do with killing foreign Muslims. He twisted off.

255 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:54:13pm

re: #253 Sharmuta

Refusing to be in pictures with women should have been a huge flag, imo.

That and the psychology presentation that had nothing to do with psychology, but focused on islam instead.

256 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:54:57pm

re: #250 austin_blue

Oh yeah, cuz it was only Bush who said that.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything, anyway?

257 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:55:09pm

re: #251 Mich-again

I think austin_blue says the Army f'ed up by not letting him out of his commitment because he told them he wanted out and would even repay them for the training. I think they f'ed up by ignoring all the pro-jihadi crapola he spewed.

Thank you. Sanity on the board!

258 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:55:34pm

re: #240 austin_blue

No duh. Brilliant decision by the Army, yes? He begged to get out and repay the gov't for his training.

Gov'ts response? Fuck off. You are in as long as we need you.

Bang bang bang.

Blame the Government? Blame the Army? Anything to let the actually terrorist of the hook.

259 Athens Runaway  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:56:36pm

re: #256 TheMatrix31

Oh yeah, cuz it was only Bush who said that.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything, anyway?

Apparently, Liberal Superhero Krugman is the Smartest Man In The World.

Oh, and HURHURHURHUR BUSH IS TEH DUMB HAHAHA!!!1!!!

261 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:56:59pm

re: #250 austin_blue

All in all, Krugman has been much more accurate than Bush, wouldn't you say?

Bush derangement syndrome is so last year.

262 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:57:15pm

re: #254 austin_blue

What is a Sunni Baptist Muslim??

263 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:58:13pm

re: #258 Bagua

Blame the Government? Blame the Army? Anything to let the actually terrorist of the hook.

That's what the press has been trying to do. ABC, to their credit, have been doing a good job but the rest have been trying to victimize the shooter.

264 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:58:41pm

re: #256 TheMatrix31

Oh yeah, cuz it was only Bush who said that.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything, anyway?

You know what? I screwed up by being sidetracked by a complete non-sequiter and responding. Read the article. Forget that post. Just read the article and argue the merits.

265 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:58:43pm

re: #262 Mich-again

What is a Sunni Baptist Muslim??

Fiction.

266 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 8:59:42pm

re: #257 austin_blue

Thank you. Sanity on the board!

The thing is that had he been allowed to leave, he might well have done something similar somewhere else. This man needed to be incarcerated, not simply discharged.

267 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:00:36pm

I'm back to say, I can't stay.

Life keeps interfering with my LGF time.

Have a restful evening all!

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:01:45pm

Bad accident on the Bay Bridge tonight.

269 Athens Runaway  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:01:59pm

re: #264 austin_blue

You know what? I screwed up by being sidetracked by a complete non-sequiter and responding. Read the article. Forget that post. Just read the article and argue the merits.

I'm just saying that anything Krugman says needs to be taken with a big chunk of salt. Sorry for offending your delicate sensibility by questioning one of the Heroes of the Left.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:02:12pm

re: #262 Mich-again

What is a Sunni Baptist Muslim??

I'm not sure. I know what a Shiite Baptist Christian is.

271 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:02:19pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

How long was it open for before the accident?

272 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:03:05pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

Have they gotten the Oakland Bridge open yet?

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:03:16pm

re: #269 Athens Runaway

I'm just saying that anything Krugman says needs to be taken with a big chunk of salt. Sorry for offending your delicate sensibility by questioning one of the Heroes of the Left.

Oh, for heaven's sakes. Read the article! Or don't!

274 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:03:53pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

This man needed to be incarcerated, not simply discharged.

Yep.

275 AmeriDan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:04:06pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure. I know what a Shiite Baptist Christian is.

You don't know Shiite.

/Sorry, couldn't resist. Back to lurking :)

276 Girth  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:05:06pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Six-legged goat to grab eyeballs at goat exhibition

On that note, I saw Men Who Stare at Goats tonight. Very disappointing.

277 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:05:12pm

re: #258 Bagua

Blame the Government? Blame the Army? Anything to let the actually terrorist of the hook.

I think the point was seeing what practices can be altered so that this is less likely to happen again, vengence notwithstanding.

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that had he been allowed to leave, he might well have done something similar somewhere else. This man needed to be incarcerated, not simply discharged.

That's a tough one, crypto-jihadi thought crime is still thought crime.

278 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:05:26pm

Nite folks. See ya in the morning.

279 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:06:34pm

re: #258 Bagua

Blame the Government? Blame the Army? Anything to let the actually terrorist of the hook.

Yes and yes. Letting him off the hook? Don't be a complete asshole.
(Hate to do this, but...)

EVERY FUCKING SIGN WAS THERE.

280 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:06:46pm

re: #277 goddamnedfrank


I think the point was seeing what practices can be altered so that this is less likely to happen again, vengence notwithstanding.

That would be the sensible point, not what I was commenting on.

281 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:07:23pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Fare thee well, fanatic of the Newark, NJ-based NHL franchise persuasion.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:07:46pm

re: #271 Fenway_Nation

How long was it open for before the accident?

Opened last Monday I think (I don't use it, so wasn't following so close.)

Yesterday--I didn't understand the news right--a truck crashed onto the guard rails, going too fast, and went over the edge, down to Yerba Buena island.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:08:07pm

re: #272 Floral Giraffe

Have they gotten the Oakland Bridge open yet?

Yes, but then this happened.

284 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:08:10pm

re: #262 Mich-again

What is a Sunni Baptist Muslim??

Whack. Totally devoted to scripture. Intransigent. Radical.

285 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:08:33pm

re: #279 austin_blue

Yes and yes. Letting him off the hook? Don't be a complete asshole.
(Hate to do this, but...)

EVERY FUCKING SIGN WAS THERE.

Charming. Be profane and hysterical if you must, but it doesn't help your logic. Are you saying that he should have been incarcerated? Short of that he would still have been a terrorist threat.

286 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:09:18pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

There's an hilarious episode of Keen Eddie--a truly great show that was cancelled too soon--where the main character's love interest's coworker's kid brother (you got that?) runs away from home to get out of his bar mitzvah. He shows up at the main character's love interest's apartment in London with a guitar, a pot plant, and a volume of Talmud.

"What's that?" she demands, pointing.

"It's the Talmud."

"NO, in your other hand!"

I liked the episode of South Park where Kyle goes a yeshiva named Jewlliard. It was the "Biggest Douche in the Universe" episode.

287 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:09:23pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

GAH!
Limited access places SUCK when accidents shut down some of the access.
Sounds like you avoid most of it!
HOORAY!

288 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:09:27pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that had he been allowed to leave, he might well have done something similar somewhere else. This man needed to be incarcerated, not simply discharged.

For what crime?

289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:10:11pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

I want to transfer my albums to my computer. How hard can that be?

The easy way is to get one of these: USB/Ipod Dock Turntable

No pre-amp and gain wrangling, all the hard recording mojo is taken care of, all you need to do is export to MP3 and tag the tracks.

290 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:10:52pm

OK the ambien is kicking in. It's off to bed so I don't do anything really stupid.

weet dreams!

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:10:53pm

re: #287 Floral Giraffe

GAH!
Limited access places SUCK when accidents shut down some of the access.
Sounds like you avoid most of it!
HOORAY!

I don't drive, so the ongoing bridge saga has not affected me much. One of my coworkers lives in SF and normally drives to Richmond, however, and she has been having a bad time of it.

292 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:11:34pm

re: #288 austin_blue

For what crime?

Exactly, he would have been free to murder other innocent victims.

293 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:11:49pm

re: #277 goddamnedfrank

That's a tough one, crypto-jihadi thought crime is still thought crime.

He tried to contact Al Qaeda, and he corresponded with a Jihadi Imam. That should be enough to jail him for something.

294 AmeriDan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:12:22pm

re: #288 austin_blue

For what crime?

Connected dots... isn't that what Bush should have done... rounded up the 9/11 highjackers before 9/11?

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:12:27pm

re: #288 austin_blue

For what crime?

That's the problem. There's not really a section of the criminal code that covers "disaster coming down the pike, everyone can tell".

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:13:20pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

He tried to contact Al Qaeda, and he corresponded with a Jihadi Imam. That should be enough to jail him for something.

Maybe. I don't think corresponding with a Jihadi Imam is actually a crime. The al-Qaeda stuff might have been enough, if they had hard evidence.

297 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:14:28pm

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

Different yardstick with the Universal Code of Military Justice.

Having said that, the UCMJ isn't exactly in my wheelhouse.

298 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:14:37pm

re: #289 WindUpBird

The easy way is to get one of these: USB/Ipod Dock Turntable

No pre-amp and gain wrangling, all the hard recording mojo is taken care of, all you need to do is export to MP3 and tag the tracks.

That is a good, easy to use way to go. But many people with a good vinyl collection already have a turntable, often with an expensive needle.

299 AmeriDan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:15:13pm

re: #294 AmeriDan

Connected dots... isn't that what Bush should have done... rounded up the 9/11 highjackers before 9/11?

I was in liberal mode there... but I'm much better now.

300 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:15:46pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

That's the problem. There's not really a section of the criminal code that covers "disaster coming down the pike, everyone can tell".

Hindsight is 20/20 when one has the Government or Military to blame, and a few beers no doubt.

301 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:16:08pm

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe. I don't think corresponding with a Jihadi Imam is actually a crime. The al-Qaeda stuff might have been enough, if they had hard evidence.

If there was not enough evidence, then he should have been given a General Discharge and kept under close surveillance.

302 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:16:32pm

re: #285 Bagua

Charming. Be profane and hysterical if you must, but it doesn't help your logic. Are you saying that he should have been incarcerated? Short of that he would still have been a terrorist threat.

Aargh. So willfully obtuse, aintcha?

Well played!

How bout getting him out of the environment where he would twist off?

AGAIN, TO RISK BEING PROFANE AND UPSETTING YOUR SENSIBILITIES although this really doesn't upset you at all does it? It's all false shock!! ...shock!!.. You are too smart for that...EVERY FUCKING SIGN WAS THERE.

I apologize to Mandy for stealing her adjective.

303 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:17:24pm

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe. I don't think corresponding with a Jihadi Imam is actually a crime. The al-Qaeda stuff might have been enough, if they had hard evidence.

The correspondence with the Imam was reported as questions of religious codes relative to his research, only problematic because of who the Imam was, not the content. (Based upon the reports in the MSM so far.)

304 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:17:25pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

He tried to contact Al Qaeda, and he corresponded with a Jihadi Imam. That should be enough to jail him for something.

Agreed. Sounds to me like he was prime for an FBI sting operation that never went down. I think there will be many lessons here.

305 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:17:33pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that had he been allowed to leave, he might well have done something similar somewhere else. This man needed to be incarcerated, not simply discharged.

Assuming he was being watched/monitored, such monitoring would likely have required much more resources if he were discharged, and free to travel wherever as a civilian. That may have been a consideration in not letting him quit.

306 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:17:56pm

re: #292 Bagua

Exactly, he would have been free to murder other innocent victims.

Shit stirrer.

307 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:19:19pm

re: #306 austin_blue

Knock it off, austin. Insults do not help discussion. All they do is ensure that things get nasty and stay nasty.

308 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:19:27pm

I don't need no doctor

Youtube Video
309 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:19:53pm

re: #303 Bagua

The correspondence with the Imam was reported as questions of religious codes relative to his research, only problematic because of who the Imam was, not the content. (Based upon the reports in the MSM so far.)

Yeah--if I decide I want to ask halachic advice from some Kahane Chai loon with smicha, I don't think it's criminal, although Lord knows it should raise eyebrows. But maybe for military, different issue.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:20:28pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

Agreed. Sounds to me like he was prime for an FBI sting operation that never went down. I think there will be many lessons here.

They may have been waiting, and not realizing the instability of the subject's mental state.

311 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:20:45pm

re: #302 austin_blue

Aargh. So willfully obtuse, aintcha?

Well played!

How bout getting him out of the environment where he would twist off?

AGAIN, TO RISK BEING PROFANE AND UPSETTING YOUR SENSIBILITIES although this really doesn't upset you at all does it? It's all false shock!! ...shock!!.. You are too smart for that...EVERY FUCKING SIGN WAS THERE.

I apologize to Mandy for stealing her adjective.

That is because you are so painfully gullible as to assume it is "the environment" that twisted him off. That he turned out to be a terrorist suggests he was a danger regardless of his enlistment status.

And what is with the ALL CAPS and emotion tonight? A bit drunk are we?

And yes, I am "smart" enough not to assume easy answers based upon sketchy information in the MSM.

312 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:21:24pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

DF, I hope that you can find some peace with the loss of your friend.
Be well.

313 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:21:47pm

re: #311 Bagua

When you insult austin, you're just keeping the nasty cycle going. Cool it.

314 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:21:48pm

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah--if I decide I want to ask halachic advice from some Kahane Chai loon with smicha, I don't think it's criminal, although Lord knows it should raise eyebrows. But maybe for military, different issue.

Exactly right, and that particular Imam was reported to be his Imam in a mosque he attended.

315 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:22:30pm

re: #311 Bagua

Do we have to do this?
It is, in a long gone, dear freinds terminology...
Most, unattractive.

316 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:22:44pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

When you insult austin, you're just keeping the nasty cycle going. Cool it.

I will, but to have someone repeatedly swearing at me and making numerous insults deserves mention.

317 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:23:30pm

re: #316 Bagua

I like GAZE for that kinda mention.
But, that's just me...

318 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:24:30pm

re: #316 Bagua

I will, but to have someone repeatedly swearing at me and making numerous insults deserves mention.

Yes, it does deserve mention. But reply without insults, I've found that that is more likely to end the argument.

319 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:24:51pm

Everyday I Have The Blues

Youtube Video
320 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:25:27pm

re: #317 Floral Giraffe

I like GAZE for that kinda mention.
But, that's just me...

The problem with GAZE is that austin_blue is not a troll, and GAZE is linked to the idea of not "feeding the troll".

321 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:25:39pm

re: #317 Floral Giraffe

I like GAZE for that kinda mention.
But, that's just me...

OK, I'll ignore him.

But should we really tolerate such behaviour?

322 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27:45pm

Is anyone else's LGF experience extremely slow and painful tonight? Dings not loading, new comments barely, slow posting, etc.

323 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:28pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

The problem with GAZE is that austin_blue is not a troll, and GAZE is linked to the idea of not "feeding the troll".

Well, I think of GAZE as not feeding the insanity, not JUST Trolls.
Feeding teh krazies just encourages teh behavior. IMHO.
So, I use GAZE for more than teh Trolls...
I don't do LOLSpeek well.

324 AmeriDan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:34pm

re: #322 TheMatrix31

OK here.

325 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:44pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

The problem with GAZE is that austin_blue is not a troll, and GAZE is linked to the idea of not "feeding the troll".

Not just for trolls, DF. Sometimes people try to provoke others (not saying that's going on here) and when a person feels they might be getting provoked, the best response is GAZE- posted or otherwise.

326 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:28:48pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

Knock it off, austin. Insults do not help discussion. All they do is ensure that things get nasty and stay nasty.

He's pulling all of our chains. The Army had every indication this guy was going to twist off. Every indication. Numerous coworkers reported it. Their warnings were not acted upon. The brass did not act.

Bagua's insinuation that he would have attacked innocent civilians in a shopping mall is bullshit. He attacked what he perceived as the guilty.

Is he bugshit? Yes. Is he a terrorist? I don't know.

All I know is that 30 miles north of Fort Hood is an outlet mall where he could have killed 100 people in 15 minutes, no problem. He didn't. There's a reason he attacked where he did. That's where his pain was.

327 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:29:58pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

Not just for trolls, DF. Sometimes people try to provoke others (not saying that's going on here) and when a person feels they might be getting provoked, the best response is GAZE- posted or otherwise.

Agreed, some posters have a habit of going into troll mode from time to time. It can be a behaviour as well as an identity.

328 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:00pm

re: #321 Bagua

OK, I'll ignore him.

But should we really tolerate such behaviour?

Tolerate does not mean condone, or encourage it.
Ignore works wonders!

But, then, I'm not fond of a fight.
That's just me!
Your mileage may vary!

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:09pm

re: #326 austin_blue

He's pulling all of our chains. The Army had every indication this guy was going to twist off. Every indication. Numerous coworkers reported it. Their warnings were not acted upon. The brass did not act.

Bagua's insinuation that he would have attacked innocent civilians in a shopping mall is bullshit. He attacked what he perceived as the guilty.

Is he bugshit? Yes. Is he a terrorist? I don't know.

All I know is that 30 miles north of Fort Hood is an outlet mall where he could have killed 100 people in 15 minutes, no problem. He didn't. There's a reason he attacked where he did. That's where his pain was.

I don't think he would have attacked randomly, but I do think he would have attacked. And I don't think that someone that unstable would have stabilized with a discharge.

330 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:33pm

re: #322 TheMatrix31

That happens to me alot, but surprisingly not tonight. I must not be downloading as much girl on girl p0rn yummy chocolate chip cookie recipies in the other window.

331 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:39pm

re: #322 TheMatrix31

LGF loading ok for me. Possibly our host is tinkering. Try refreshing the page, or restarting your browser.

332 webevintage  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:30:59pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

Sorry to off topic so soon, and but I guess you could say I've still got a bit of shell stuck to me...

Anyone following the satirical website against Glenn Beck? ...In early September, Beck's interests filed a claim against claiming that the site was registered in bad faith and violated trademark rules. The World Intellectual Property Organization ruled Oct. 29 in the site creator's favor. After proving his innocence to the WIPO panel, the creator wrote Beck and gave him control of the web site. The site has been taken down.

Brilliant.
His lawyers brief was a thing of beauty.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
and very entertaining.

333 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:32:27pm

re: #326 austin_blue

{gaze}

334 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:33:22pm

re: #327 Bagua

Agreed, some posters have a habit of going into troll mode from time to time. It can be a behaviour as well as an identity.

Sometimes people just have a knack for bringing out the worst in someone, and vise versa. I think you might know a bit about that. ;)

335 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:33:54pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think he would have attacked randomly, but I do think he would have attacked. And I don't think that someone that unstable would have stabilized with a discharge.

It's highly unlikely he would have. He has been infected with Radical Islam and given his budding hatred of America, an attack was likely only a matter of time. And, bad as Ft. Hood was, it was not the worst thing that could have happened. Imagine if he had gone to Afghanistan and provided intel on one of our bases to Al Qaeda.

336 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:34:56pm

re: #334 Sharmuta

Sometimes people just have a knack for bringing out the worst in someone, and vise versa. I think you might know a bit about that. ;)

If you're talking about Ludwig, he has a knack at going off on people in general, not only I.

337 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:35:17pm

re: #326 austin_blue

Sooo...because he opened up on a building full of unarmed GIs filling out forms instead of some unarmed mall walkers and store clerks proves that this wasn't terrorism?

338 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:36:39pm

re: #336 Bagua

If you're talking about Ludwig, he has a knack at going off on people in general, not only I.

He is very worried about AGW, and that concern leaves him wound a bit tight.

339 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:37:36pm

re: #326 austin_blue

He's pulling all of our chains. The Army had every indication this guy was going to twist off. Every indication. Numerous coworkers reported it. Their warnings were not acted upon. The brass did not act.

Bagua's insinuation that he would have attacked innocent civilians in a shopping mall is bullshit. He attacked what he perceived as the guilty.

Is he bugshit? Yes. Is he a terrorist? I don't know.

All I know is that 30 miles north of Fort Hood is an outlet mall where he could have killed 100 people in 15 minutes, no problem. He didn't. There's a reason he attacked where he did. That's where his pain was.

His pain my ass...

Terrorism - Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] At present, there is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

and from the ultra-conservative New York Times...

"The officials said the communications did not alter the prevailing theory that Major Hasan acted by himself, lashing out as a result of combination of factors, including his outspoken opposition to American policy in Iraq and Afghanistan and his deepening religious fervor as a Muslim."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

So, what do you think he was, little fucking Mary Sunshine?

340 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:37:42pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

It's highly unlikely he would have. He has been infected with Radical Islam and given his budding hatred of America, an attack was likely only a matter of time. And, bad as Ft. Hood was, it was not the worst thing that could have happened. Imagine if he had gone to Afghanistan and provided intel on one of our bases to Al Qaeda.

DF- wether they meant to or not, I think the MSM has provided any aspiring jihadi that just happens to have a sattelite dish with a treasure trove of intel regarding US military bases and their security strengths and weaknesses than they could've ever accomlished through weeks and months of survailence.

341 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:38:16pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

He is very worried about AGW, and that concern leaves him wound a bit tight.

Jeepers, it's make excuses for everybody's bad behaviour night.

How about people take responsibility for themselves and act properly?

342 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:38:59pm

Who Did You Think I Was

Youtube Video
343 AmeriDan  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:39:06pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

He is very worried about AGW, and that concern leaves him wound a bit tight.

He has a heck of a way of trying to bring people around to his way of thinking.

BBL

344 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:39:09pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

His pain my ass...

Terrorism - Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] At present, there is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

and from the ultra-conservative New York Times...

"The officials said the communications did not alter the prevailing theory that Major Hasan acted by himself, lashing out as a result of combination of factors, including his outspoken opposition to American policy in Iraq and Afghanistan and his deepening religious fervor as a Muslim."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

So, what do you think he was, little fucking Mary Sunshine?

Channeling Mandy, are we? ;)

345 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:40:39pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Channeling Mandy, are we? ;)

Oh my goodness, she's in my brain...

346 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:41:40pm

re: #341 Bagua

Jeepers, it's make excuses for everybody's bad behaviour night.

How about people take responsibility for themselves and act properly?

I'm all for that. I'm just trying to understand the dynamics of Ludwig's interactions with the group. I try to understand how the group interacts with a view towards preventing and ending conflicts. And I just realized that I'm sounding like a liberal social worker.

SELF-SMACK!

347 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:42:17pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think he would have attacked randomly, but I do think he would have attacked. And I don't think that someone that unstable would have stabilized with a discharge.

Maybe. The fact is that we will never know. What's done is done.

348 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:43:32pm

re: #337 Fenway_Nation

Sooo...because he opened up on a building full of unarmed GIs filling out forms instead of some unarmed mall walkers and store clerks proves that this wasn't terrorism?

That isn't what I said.

349 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:43:57pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

I try to understand how the group interacts with a view towards preventing and ending conflicts.

Sometimes, that's best left to Stinky. Otherwise, at times it's best to let people keep going and allow them to resolve it themselves. You're sweet to want to keep the peace, DF, but sometimes trying to play peacemaker puts you in the middle of a conflict you don't need to be a part of.

350 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:44:49pm

re: #348 austin_blue

That isn't what I said.

Yes it was.

351 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:46:32pm

re: #349 Sharmuta

Sometimes, that's best left to Stinky. Otherwise, at times it's best to let people keep going and allow them to resolve it themselves. You're sweet to want to keep the peace, DF, but sometimes trying to play peacemaker puts you in the middle of a conflict you don't need to be a part of.

I know. That happen to me last week, when you and ice both warned me away from an argument you were having. Thank you for that, I saved me a lot of hassle and trouble.

352 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:47:14pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe. I'd like to hear from another shrink about what they think it might represent, and another Muslim.

Just got word from a Pakistani in London, MD. his take on SoA(SWT)
Servant
of
Allah

SWT

says he's seen it before among english-speaking muslims. Seems the likeliest explanation.

Servant of Allah (SWT) is what SoA(SWT) probably meant on his card, as Servant of Allah is a standrd self-descriptor for Muslims.

353 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:47:21pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

He is very worried about AGW, and that concern leaves him wound a bit tight.

Apparently Maj. Hasan was very worried about a few things as well. Same pass?

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

And agreed regarding Ludwig, I enjoy him most of the time which is why I take the trouble to work things through with him.

But appeasement is certainly not my thing. I suppose one could make the argument that a cute teen girl dressed provocatively is "stirring up" the bad behaviour of the rapist/molester.

My choice is to reach for the baseball bat and correct the bad behaviour. Walking on eggshells just gives a pass to the bad eggs.

354 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:47:54pm

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

Yes it was.

No. It wasn't.

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:48:55pm

re: #352 Guanxi88

Just got word from a Pakistani in London, MD. his take on SoA(SWT)
Servant
of
Allah

SWT

says he's seen it before among english-speaking muslims. Seems the likeliest explanation.

Servant of Allah (SWT) is what SoA(SWT) probably meant on his card, as Servant of Allah is a standrd self-descriptor for Muslims.

Thank you.

Dang. I know this is petty, but I really would have loved for Pam to be SOOO wrong.

356 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:49:05pm

re: #349 Sharmuta

Sometimes, that's best left to Stinky. Otherwise, at times it's best to let people keep going and allow them to resolve it themselves. You're sweet to want to keep the peace, DF, but sometimes trying to play peacemaker puts you in the middle of a conflict you don't need to be a part of.

Agreed, getting in the middle can be hazardous duty, ask any police officer who has responded to a domestic dispute and finds both parties attacking him.

357 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:49:25pm

I hereby submit "servant of allah (SWT)" as my current decryption of SoA(SWT) from Hassan's card. Pam can go to hell, and Michelle can drive the bus.

358 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:50:08pm

re: #354 austin_blue

No. It wasn't.

Good night everyone...

(yes it was... :)

359 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:50:44pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you.

Dang. I know this is petty, but I really would have loved for Pam to be SOOO wrong.

Yeah, but Servant of Allah just means muslim, so, it's a way of nodding to muslim patients, the same way a bakery hangs out a sign about shomer Shabbat.

360 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:51:29pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you.

Dang. I know this is petty, but I really would have loved for Pam to be SOOO wrong.

If it does mean that, can we say that makes him a terrorist suspect? Many religious people who have no intention of committing a crime may use such acronyms.

361 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:51:50pm

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

Yes it was.

Unless you consider this a terrorist act. Oh, just down the street.:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In both cases, men killing their pain by killing others.

Discuss.

362 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:52:30pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you.

Dang. I know this is petty, but I really would have loved for Pam to be SOOO wrong.

Besides, she is wrong in this case. SoA is just an abbreviation for muslim, for those who would understand it. Nothing malicious or ominous in its use at all. My buddy Rohit (in London) has it on his cards for distribution to his "asian" patients in London.

363 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:53:29pm

re: #356 Bagua

My Dad was on a grand Jury, many years ago, which was a case of domestic violence, in which the husband came home drunk, and threatened his wife with a kitchen knife. She defended herself, with another kitchen knife. He died. She was tried for murder. The trial lasted months. Dad came home positively sick, over the pictures that had been shown in court. IIRC, she was let off on "self defense" but neither Dad, nor the other members of the jury, were the same again.

So, folks, hug your families, and be aware of, and grateful for the good times!

364 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:53:44pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think he would have attacked randomly, but I do think he would have attacked. And I don't think that someone that unstable would have stabilized with a discharge.

I don't know if it is an indicator that this was a more sudden and confused event that it could have been, or just my own tendency to imagine the worst case scenario, but I am deeply grateful that Hasan did not factor in an M.D's knowledge of (bio)chemistry into his plans.

re: #341 Bagua

Jeepers, it's make excuses for everybody's bad behaviour night.

How about people take responsibility for themselves and act properly?

I agree, why dog on a Lizard by name in a thread which they are not participating to defend themselves? Seems lame.

365 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:55:05pm

re: #359 Guanxi88

Yeah, but Servant of Allah just means muslim, so, it's a way of nodding to muslim patients, the same way a bakery hangs out a sign about shomer Shabbat.

Thank you. Exactly correct. It's like a Christian having a fish bumper sticker on their car. Self-identifying and nothing more ominous than that.

Unless of course, you are looking for motive...

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:56:01pm

re: #360 Bagua

If it does mean that, can we say that makes him a terrorist suspect? Many religious people who have no intention of committing a crime may use such acronyms.

No, I think it's innocuous, except of course, that nothing connected with this guy is innocuous anymore.

But I would have loved for it to mean something like "Shrink of Acuity", just to make the loons look loony.

I don't know why I think this matters.

367 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:56:25pm

re: #361 austin_blue

Unless you consider this a terrorist act. Oh, just down the street.:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In both cases, men killing their pain by killing others.

Discuss.

When Radical Islam is part of the killer's justification, its a terrorist act. Period.

368 cliffster  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:56:51pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

I agree, why dog on a Lizard by name in a thread which they are not participating to defend themselves? Seems lame.

My mom always says, if you can't say something nice, STFU.

369 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:57:37pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you.

Dang. I know this is petty, but I really would have loved for Pam to be SOOO wrong.

Uh- pammycakes would be wrong since she said it stood for Soldier of Allah. Servant of Allah makes more sense, as Guanxi88 said- it would just mean he's a muslim. pammy had to inject her own hyperbole and make it soldier.

370 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:58:24pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

I agree, why dog on a Lizard by name in a thread which they are not participating to defend themselves? Seems lame.

I'm not dogging on him, it was brought up by Sharm and we were discussing it. But I agree, best not to mention names, just kinda obvious in this case.

As to the point about the MD knowledge, yes and no, a more "cold blooded" attack could have had more casualties, or not. But Maj Hasan obviously got a thrill out of being a first person shooter.

371 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:59:04pm

re: #363 Floral Giraffe

Good to hear the correct party lived to face the jury.

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:01:31pm

OK, going to bed.

373 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:03:01pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

Good night!

374 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:03:18pm

re: #370 Bagua

I'm not dogging on him, it was brought up by Sharm and we were discussing it. But I agree, best not to mention names, just kinda obvious in this case.

As to the point about the MD knowledge, yes and no, a more "cold blooded" attack could have had more casualties, or not. But Maj Hasan obviously got a thrill out of being a first person shooter.

A lot of jihadis want to see their victims. They want the "infidels" to see their rage and run from their "holy mission". It rather reminds me of a serial killer. The same sort of pathology at work.

375 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:05:50pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

When Radical Islam is part of the killer's justification, its a terrorist act. Period.

I disagree. He hasn't made that justification, has he? You have. Others have.

Might we have have the opportunity, since he is still alive, to hear what he has to say? My best bet is that his justification will be that instead of killing infidels (radical Islam motive) that he just couldn't cope with the possibility of counseling troopers who had killed Muslims and felt remorse during PTSD counseling sessions with him. He just could not imagine being neutral himself in those sessions. It drove him over the edge.

I'll agree up front that that is a whack reason for twisting off, but it would not surprise if that is not the defense.

But again. This guy should not have been in an Army uniform last week.

376 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:08:43pm

re: #375 austin_blue

I disagree. He hasn't made that justification, has he? You have. Others have.

Might we have have the opportunity, since he is still alive, to hear what he has to say? My best bet is that his justification will be that instead of killing infidels (radical Islam motive) that he just couldn't cope with the possibility of counseling troopers who had killed Muslims and felt remorse during PTSD counseling sessions with him. He just could not imagine being neutral himself in those sessions. It drove him over the edge.

I'll agree up front that that is a whack reason for twisting off, but it would not surprise if that is not the defense.

But again. This guy should not have been in an Army uniform last week.

His attempts to justify himself mean less than nothing to me. He's a terrorist murderer, and as such should be found guilty of treason and executed.

377 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:09:33pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

A lot of jihadis want to see their victims. They want the "infidels" to see their rage and run from their "holy mission". It rather reminds me of a serial killer. The same sort of pathology at work.

I agree, there is often a lot of machismo involved. Much of the propaganda I've seen paints the terrorists as a real man who is brave and ready to fight, whereas the US/Israel rely on airpower, machines and technology. The direct implication is that the more manly terrorist would win the fight if it was "fair".

In this case, the terrorist obviously made significant preparations, training and planning to execute an attack with so many casualties. Sure he could have tried something different, but what he did do was clearly in his skill set.

378 cliffster  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:11:04pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

His attempts to justify himself mean less than nothing to me. He's a terrorist murderer, and as such should be found guilty of treason and executed.

Why would anyone listen to any bullshit that came out of his mouth, especially any kind of, "why did you do this?" question. I second your terrorist murderer description, and any argument otherwise is made simply because it's fashionable among some to play devil's advocate with this sort of thing.

379 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:15:31pm

Well, it's kinda silly,
BUT
I love LGF.
And the LGF'rs that Charles has attracted & maintained.

(And some of you are HIGH MAINTENENCE!)
LOL!

Thanks for enlivening my day!

380 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:16:15pm

re: #379 Floral Giraffe

Seconded!

S'up, FG?

381 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:17:39pm

re: #379 Floral Giraffe


I know- I rock, azure aphid!

382 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:17:50pm

re: #380 iceweasel

Hey Ice, how goes the battle?

383 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:18:08pm

re: #379 Floral Giraffe


(And some of you are HIGH MAINTENENCE!)

Somewhat of an understatement.

384 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:18:20pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

His attempts to justify himself mean less than nothing to me. He's a terrorist murderer, and as such should be found guilty of treason and executed.

Murderer, yes. Terrorist? I'm not so sure. Any more than George Hennard was:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

You have to be careful about how you throw these terms around. Treason? Again, a loaded word that assumes a lot.

385 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:19:44pm

If you only read one spinoff link tonight, make it this one:

Random Strangers Fill Funerals for Forgotten Vets

386 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:21:06pm

re: #382 Bagua

Hey Ice, how goes the battle?

Swimmingly! :)

How are you? What have I missed around here?

BTW, for travelling lizards, if you absolutely must have a long layover, I can enthusiastically endorse the Amsterdam airport.

387 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:22:16pm

re: #380 iceweasel

Das Weas!
(Is that how it should be spelled? You KNOW I'm a spelling Nazi!)
All is good here!
How goes it with you?
Hope it's all just fun & games!

388 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:23:31pm

re: #383 freetoken

Well, pot, meet kettle!
LOL!

389 cliffster  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:25:06pm

re: #384 austin_blue

Murderer, yes. Terrorist? I'm not so sure. Any more than George Hennard was:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

You have to be careful about how you throw these terms around. Treason? Again, a loaded word that assumes a lot.

Would you be more comfortable with "traitor"?

390 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:25:27pm

re: #387 Floral Giraffe

Das Weas!
(Is that how it should be spelled? You KNOW I'm a spelling Nazi!)
All is good here!
How goes it with you?
Hope it's all just fun & games!

Das Giraffen! (I just made that up)
I don't know, we'd have to ask Cato; that cranky old Roman would be able to help!
Things are just nifty here. Should have some news in a bit...

391 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:26:12pm

Vultures

Youtube Video
392 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:27:10pm

Hi folks! :)

Youtube Video
393 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:30:07pm

re: #384 austin_blue

Terrorist? I'm not so sure.

I suppose we could get into a long technical discussion of what is "terrorism" and what is a "terrorist", but for now I simply accept that the doctor in question committed mass murder. And, in doing so on a military base while part of the military, has succeeded in raising some doubts on our military's capability to carry out all their duties.

Whether that was his intent we may never know, yet it is an action that shouts a statement beyond the "I just hate people and want to kill them" that one would ascribe to the normal sociopath.

394 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:31:54pm

re: #385 Sharmuta

If you only read one spinoff link tonight, make it this one:

Random Strangers Fill Funerals for Forgotten Vets

Diamond Bullet, come on down! Put up a post so we may upding you for that fantastic link!

395 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:32:48pm

re: #386 iceweasel

Schiphol is a joy, as is the quick train downtown. Definitely one of the most convenient cities to fly in and out of.

Beyond that I can "enthusiastically endorse" a number of places in the Dam itself depending on your predilections ;).

Last time I was there I rented a houseboat on the Amstel River. Gorgeous views and the Amstel froze over briefly which was a sight to behold.

Love that city.

396 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:33:12pm

So, for all the LGF'ers right now.
May I suggest you do a couple of things?
Because I can?
Hug someone you love. NOW. While you can.
Hug someone you don't love, because it means a lot to you and to them.
Think about doing something nice for someone.
Plan it. Do it.
Because you can.

Life is short.
Do your best to make it sweet.
For yourself and others.

Because it'll make you feel like a million bucks.
And more.

See y'all later.
{{your name here}}
Because I can!

397 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:33:18pm

re: #392 Jimmah

Hi folks! :)


Hide the children! The entire team is onsite.

398 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:35:00pm

re: #388 Floral Giraffe

Well, pot, meet kettle!

Me? Heck, I'm one of the lowest maintenance people around here... after all, who else could be made happy by simply listening to Christmas music?

399 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:35:56pm

re: #398 freetoken

Me? Heck, I'm one of the lowest maintenance people around here... after all, who else could be made happy by simply listening to Christmas music?

So say you! Do you have any idea the time it takes to encode an MP3 facility just for you?

400 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:36:15pm

re: #375 austin_blue

I disagree. He hasn't made that justification, has he? You have. Others have.

Might we have have the opportunity, since he is still alive, to hear what he has to say? My best bet is that his justification will be that instead of killing infidels (radical Islam motive) that he just couldn't cope with the possibility of counseling troopers who had killed Muslims and felt remorse during PTSD counseling sessions with him. He just could not imagine being neutral himself in those sessions. It drove him over the edge.

I'll agree up front that that is a whack reason for twisting off, but it would not surprise if that is not the defense.

But again. This guy should not have been in an Army uniform last week.

I've held off all week in saying his motivations were related to his religion, but it's become nearly impossible to deny. After the NPR report and the report from ABC today, and now the confirmation I posted earlier that he was in touch with a radical imam, I'm going to stick with Charles' assessment. Hasan was trying to kill the enemies of the ummah.

401 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:37:42pm

re: #389 cliffster

Would you be more comfortable with "traitor"?

Not really. He gave up no secrets, did he? He just murdered people. Heinous act. But we don't know the *why* of it. I suspect that his actions made perfect sense to him last week, insane as they were were.

Reminds me of this:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Crazy is as crazy does.

Thousands of Muslims have served honorably in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't fear that the guy who runs the C-store down the block is going to go all postal on his American customers.

The volume on this board can be really loud. The shooter at Ft. Hood lost his mind. He killed a bunch of innocents. That is not the act of a sane human.

Let's not broad-brush Muslims in this country or in the military, please.

402 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:37:47pm

re: #397 Bagua

Hide the children! The entire team is onsite.

Hi Bagua - hope you are well! Stay tuned; Jimmah-ice productions will have a special announcement shortly :)

403 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:38:23pm

re: #384 austin_blue


You have to be careful about how you throw these terms around. Treason? Again, a loaded word that assumes a lot.

US Constitution -


Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

I think a reasonable case can be made to reasonable people that Hasan -

1) Made war on the United States in firing on a room full of soldiers awaiting deployment because they were going off to "kill muslims"

2) adhered to US enemies by killing American soldiers as called for in multiple fatwas issued by multiple Islamist clerics.

And there are more than two witnesses.

404 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:38:41pm

re: #400 Sharmuta

I've held off all week in saying his motivations were related to his religion, but it's become nearly impossible to deny. After the NPR report and the report from ABC today, and now the confirmation I posted earlier that he was in touch with a radical imam, I'm going to stick with Charles' assessment. Hasan was trying to kill the enemies of the ummah.

And your position was commendatory and rational all along. Well done.

405 cliffster  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:39:31pm

re: #401 austin_blue

So a Major in the military opened fire and killed 13 fellow soldiers, wounding many others, and you are not particularly comfortable calling him a traitor. That is an interesting position.

406 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:39:37pm

re: #402 Jimmah

Hi Bagua - hope you are well! Stay tuned; Jimmah-ice productions will have a special announcement shortly :)

Yikes! My butt still hurts from the last ones...

407 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:39:49pm

re: #404 Bagua

Thanks. And again- thank you for your support a few days ago. It meant a lot to me.

408 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:42:55pm

re: #401 austin_blue

Not really. He gave up no secrets, did he? He just murdered people. Heinous act. But we don't know the *why* of it. I suspect that his actions made perfect sense to him last week, insane as they were were.

Reminds me of this:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Crazy is as crazy does.

Thousands of Muslims have served honorably in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't fear that the guy who runs the C-store down the block is going to go all postal on his American customers.

The volume on this board can be really loud. The shooter at Ft. Hood lost his mind. He killed a bunch of innocents. That is not the act of a sane human.

Let's not broad-brush Muslims in this country or in the military, please.

I'm not broad brushing. However, Hasan's actions certainly could be categorized as levying war against the United States, and it could be argued that by seeking out and contacting foreign jihadis he was adhering to our enemies. I believe that the man's actions meet the legal definition of Treason and I urge that he be charged with that crime.

409 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:43:25pm

re: #393 freetoken

I suppose we could get into a long technical discussion of what is "terrorism" and what is a "terrorist", but for now I simply accept that the doctor in question committed mass murder. And, in doing so on a military base while part of the military, has succeeded in raising some doubts on our military's capability to carry out all their duties.

Whether that was his intent we may never know, yet it is an action that shouts a statement beyond the "I just hate people and want to kill them" that one would ascribe to the normal sociopath.

Yet that was his home ground. Certainly room for discussion, but it is consistent with other mass killings. As Kinky Friedman sang about Charles Whitman:

"Got up that morning calm and cool,
He picked up his guns and walked to school."

410 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:43:29pm

re: #406 Bagua

Yikes! My butt still hurts from the last ones...

LOL!

411 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:44:34pm

re: #407 Sharmuta

Thanks. And again- thank you for your support a few days ago. It meant a lot to me.

Always a pleasure Sharmuta, you are a very reasonable and pleasant member of this board and I'm happy to point that out to those who need something pointy waved in their direction.

412 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:47:04pm

re: #411 Bagua

*blush*

413 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:47:43pm

re: #401 austin_blue


The volume on this board can be really loud. The shooter at Ft. Hood lost his mind. He killed a bunch of innocents. That is not the act of a sane human.

Let's not broad-brush Muslims in this country or in the military, please.

That seems to broad brush a lot of people on this board.

I have been impressed by the restraint on this board over the last week. People are trying to make explicit time and time again that Islamists don't represent all Muslims. I think I'd have a hard time finding a comment post on LGF where Hasan is equated to all Muslims.

414 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:48:39pm

re: #413 karmic_inquisitor

If there was such a comment made, it's been deleted.

415 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:48:53pm

re: #403 karmic_inquisitor

US Constitution -


Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

I think a reasonable case can be made to reasonable people that Hasan -

1) Made war on the United States in firing on a room full of soldiers awaiting deployment because they were going off to "kill muslims"

2) adhered to US enemies by killing American soldiers as called for in multiple fatwas issued by multiple Islamist clerics.

And there are more than two witnesses.

You assume a lot, don't you? You may be exactly right, but assuming you know the mind of an insane human being? Stretch.

Fatwas? Why hasn't the rest of the Muslim population in the US risen up? Maybe they aren't insane?

Again, maybe a stretch?

416 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:49:50pm

re: #406 Bagua

Yikes! My butt still hurts from the last ones...

hee...

Announcing a new Jimmah-Ice Production:

Youtube Video

Jimmah and I, in consultation with our progressive overlords, have decided the best way to conduct our Wingnut Operations is to consolidate our base of ops, and operate from a single undisclosed location.

In other words, I moved in with him in Scotland last week.

Dear LGF and Lizard Community, We met right here on Little Green e-Harmony. This is dedicated to the conservative lizards especially: don't ever say that you never changed my mind about anything, because...we're getting married next month.


Love, the formerly anti-marriage,
Ms. iceweasel

417 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:50:58pm

re: #405 cliffster

So a Major in the military opened fire and killed 13 fellow soldiers, wounding many others, and you are not particularly comfortable calling him a traitor. That is an interesting position.

I have no problem with calling him insane.

Is that not more interesting? At least it makes sense!

418 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:51:24pm

re: #416 iceweasel

Congratulations! May your union be long, and may it be blessed.

419 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:51:40pm

re: #401 austin_blue

The volume on this board can be really loud. The shooter at Ft. Hood lost his mind. He killed a bunch of innocents. That is not the act of a sane human.

Let's not broad-brush Muslims in this country or in the military, please.

FYI- this is currently the #2 comment made today.

420 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:53:02pm

re: #417 austin_blue

I have no problem with calling him insane.

Is that not more interesting? At least it makes sense!

I would never use the word insane to describe his actions. Insanity would preclude his execution, and it is in all of our interests that he be put to death.

421 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:53:06pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

I'm not broad brushing. However, Hasan's actions certainly could be categorized as levying war against the United States, and it could be argued that by seeking out and contacting foreign jihadis he was adhering to our enemies. I believe that the man's actions meet the legal definition of Treason and I urge that he be charged with that crime.

It could also mean he's as crazy as a shit house mouse. Time will tell.

422 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:54:36pm

re: #417 austin_blue

At least it makes sense!

Does it? Really?

There are many phenomena in this world that we categorize, and to which we attach a label, about which little is truly understood.

Would you walk into a room right now and kill 13 people?

I for one cannot understand the shooter... I can label him, categorize him, even judge him, but I don't really understand him.

423 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:54:56pm

re: #401 austin_blue

Let's not broad-brush Muslims in this country or in the military, please.

No one is broad-brushing Muslims, we are talking about one individual terrorist slimebag.

We care not if his butterflies were stepped on or if someone upset his delicate psyche. No doubt most terrorist murderers are not especially well adjusted and compassionate human beings. They often act out of personal grievance and are "driven over the edge" by this and that.

Sometimes their acts of mass murder are carefully planned and executed in cold blood. Sometimes they just get a bit too religious while on joint patrol with the US/IDF and turn their weapon on their peers.

This desire to paint them as "insane" and therefore unique is propaganda a best. Islamic terrorism is a very real phenomenon, while some of the terrorists may have psychological issues, their primary motivation is not their mental state.

424 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:55:30pm

re: #415 austin_blue

You assume a lot, don't you? You may be exactly right, but assuming you know the mind of an insane human being? Stretch.

Fatwas? Why hasn't the rest of the Muslim population in the US risen up? Maybe they aren't insane?

Again, maybe a stretch?

You are now assuming him to be "insane".

He was described by his commander to NPR as cool and rational and "an asset". His actions prior to the event demonstrate that he killed with forethought and fully aware of the consequences - both for him and his victims.

Again - Islamists aren't all Muslims and don't speak for all Muslims. You seem bent on getting someone to take that bait. I won't and no one here will because they know it not to be true.

425 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:58:41pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

If there was such a comment made, it's been deleted.

But there have been snide comments, yes? Where people have said "now, now that might not be appropriate"?

Think bacon.

It's always there, Sharm. It always *will* be there. It's the discomfort of the other. It's human nature.

426 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:00:00pm

re: #416 iceweasel

For real or are you just jaked?

427 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:01:18pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Congratulations! May your union be long, and may it be blessed.

Thanks DF :) And yes, this is for keeps :

Youtube Video
428 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:01:37pm

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

I would never use the word insane to describe his actions. Insanity would preclude his execution, and it is in all of our interests that he be put to death.

Well, DF, it's obvious that no one is going to harsh your mellow!

429 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:01:58pm

re: #425 austin_blue

My point was it's not welcome at this site. Any comment made that stated such a thing as you mentioned earlier would be deleted, and the poster banned. You were speaking specifically of the volume of this board- well, the volume of this board has been one of restraint, like Karmic said.

430 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:02:29pm

re: #426 Bagua

For real or are you just jaked?

For reals!!!111!!!1

Yup!

What's 'jaked'?

431 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:03:13pm

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

I would never use the word insane to describe his actions. Insanity would preclude his execution, and it is in all of our interests that he be put to death.

Aside from that his actions were premeditated and deliberate. He also knew what he was doing from his military and medical training.

This notion that someone who does something unfathomable and cruel must therefore be insane doesn't comport with how justice systems throughout the industrialized world see it.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

432 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:03:17pm

re: #416 iceweasel

Congrats!

433 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:04:00pm

Congrats Jimmah and Iceweasel!

434 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:04:16pm

re: #431 karmic_inquisitor

Aside from that his actions were premeditated and deliberate. He also knew what he was doing from his military and medical training.

This notion that someone who does something unfathomable and cruel must therefore be insane doesn't comport with how justice systems throughout the industrialized world see it.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Quite Concur.

435 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:04:42pm

re: #422 freetoken

Does it? Really?

There are many phenomena in this world that we categorize, and to which we attach a label, about which little is truly understood.

Would you walk into a room right now and kill 13 people?

I for one cannot understand the shooter... I can label him, categorize him, even judge him, but I don't really understand him.

If you are going to quote my post, quote my post. Here it is:

"I have no problem with calling him insane.

Is that not more interesting? At least it makes sense!"

436 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:04:45pm

re: #432 abolitionist

Congrats!

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Congratulations! May your union be long, and may it be blessed.

Thanks!
We're kind of stunned ourselves. :)

437 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:06:16pm

re: #431 karmic_inquisitor

This notion that someone who does something unfathomable and cruel must therefore be insane doesn't comport with how justice systems throughout the industrialized world see it.

And it's a disservice to the insane. Not all those who are insane commit violence.

438 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:07:18pm

re: #430 iceweasel

For reals!!!111!!!1

Yup!

What's 'jaked'?

Wow!

(Jaked is Scottish for drunk)

439 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:09:16pm

re: #428 austin_blue

Well, DF, it's obvious that no one is going to harsh your mellow!

It's not that. As K_I pointed out, his actions are not those of an insane man. He clearly understood the difference between right and wrong, but he had decided that the Taliban oppressing Afghans was right, and America trying to stop them was wrong. If he really was legally insane, then I would not call for his execution. But to call him crazy when the law says he is not risks him avoiding death as a result of a misunderstanding. He was sane when he committed these murders.

440 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:10:35pm

For iceweasel :

Youtube Video
441 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:10:36pm

re: #438 Bagua

Wow!

(Jaked is Scottish for drunk)

Dammit...have to add that to my informal phrasebook. Jimmah has been teaching me words in the Scottish idiolect, which basically leave my head 5 minutes later.
Must say my Scottish Babblefish isn't working great yet. I'm having minor trouble understanding some of the 'locals'.

442 davinvalkri  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:11:22pm

Decidedly off topic, maybe a little not work-safe, very annoying if you aren't a fan of synthesized J-pop, but I found this song.

Youtube Video

Sure, it sounds light and fluffy, but check out the lyrics.

443 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:11:30pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

DF- if he was legally insane, he wouldn't have been deployed. He'd have been put in an institution. You can't be working in the psychology department of Walter Reed and hide insanity from your colleagues. He's not insane.

444 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:12:27pm

re: #433 karmic_inquisitor

Congrats Jimmah and Iceweasel!

Thanks karmic inquisitor :)

445 I am smarter than you  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:13:53pm

re: #416 iceweasel

Jimmah and I, in consultation with our progressive overlords, have decided the best way to conduct our Wingnut Operations is to consolidate our base of ops, and operate from a single undisclosed location.

In other words, I moved in with him in Scotland last week.

Dear LGF and Lizard Community, We met right here on Little Green e-Harmony. This is dedicated to the conservative lizards especially: don't ever say that you never changed my mind about anything, because...we're getting married next month.

Love, the formerly anti-marriage,
Ms. iceweasel

Traitor!

You become cyber-smitten with a gaelic phallo-cretin and surrender! And to complete the humiliation for all womyn worldwide you move to his man cave in the Scottish Highlands.

Think of what you have given up for a diet of haggis and porridge. All so that you can stand around as womyn wanabees who dress in kilts throw telephone poles around in a sort of orgy of repressed gender confusion that they celebrate as "Scottish Games"!

Escape!

446 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:14:12pm

re: #440 Jimmah

And for both of you. May you always be willing to go the distance for each other:

Youtube Video
447 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:17:23pm

re: #441 iceweasel

the Scottish idiolect

How dare you iceweasel, on this of all days/

;-)

448 That's Glenn Beck to you  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:17:42pm

re: #416 iceweasel

Can I be invited to the wedding?

Would you believe I sometimes cry at weddings?

449 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:18:18pm

re: #429 Sharmuta

My point was it's not welcome at this site. Any comment made that stated such a thing as you mentioned earlier would be deleted, and the poster banned. You were speaking specifically of the volume of this board- well, the volume of this board has been one of restraint, like Karmic said.

I agree, Sharm. This board has become much more restrained...lately.

But there are still all too many people here who are front-loaded to believe that the act of a maniac is directly connected to Islamic Terrorism/Al Queda/9-11/etc. etc. ad infinitum.

It may be that the man just...snapped. And he happened to be a Muslim. Maybe he snapped because he felt what he was asked to do as a member of the Army conflicted with his religion. And because he was insane, and a man of faith, that twisted him off.

Still crazy. Not traitorous, not treasonous, not terrorist, just nuts.

450 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:19:55pm

re: #445 I am smarter than you

Traitor!

You become cyber-smitten with a gaelic phallo-cretin and surrender! And to complete the humiliation for all womyn worldwide you move to his man cave in the Scottish Highlands.

Think of what you have given up for a diet of haggis and porridge. All so that you can stand around as womyn wanabees who dress in kilts throw telephone poles around in a sort of orgy of repressed gender confusion that they celebrate as "Scottish Games"!

Escape!

I'm sorry honey, all I saw was the word 'kilt' there and I lost my train of thought.

It's true! I am smitten with a gaelic-phallo-cretin! And I even referred to his lair as a 'man cave' when I first saw it! I didn't know iceweasels could be domesticated!

451 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:20:07pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

And for both of you. May you always be willing to go the distance for each other:


Quite concur!

Happy Happy Joy Joy

Youtube Video

May happiness, blessing, light and love chase our Jimma-weasel always, and let no bletherskate darken their days online or off.

452 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:24:25pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

It's not that. As K_I pointed out, his actions are not those of an insane man. He clearly understood the difference between right and wrong, but he had decided that the Taliban oppressing Afghans was right, and America trying to stop them was wrong. If he really was legally insane, then I would not call for his execution. But to call him crazy when the law says he is not risks him avoiding death as a result of a misunderstanding. He was sane when he committed these murders.

Sorry, I haven't read those diaries you have. But getting from "people being treated wrong" to bull goose loony shooting rampage is a stretch. If that was the basis of rampages, we would see that every day in a country of 300 million people.

No. Walking into a group of people and opening fire is the act of a bull goose loony insane human being. My opinion. It goes beyond religious fervor. It goes to pathology.

My ignorant opinion.

453 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:26:45pm

re: #448 That's Glenn Beck to you

Can I be invited to the wedding?

Would you believe I sometimes cry at weddings?

Sure - just try not to mention Obama and keep the blubbing below the 70 decibel mark till after the vows:)

454 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:27:52pm

Gotta go. Good night, all. Sweet dreams. Sorry if I lost my cool a little bit. Didn't mean to offend. Just passionate about stuff.

455 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:29:10pm

re: #454 austin_blue

Gotta go. Good night, all. Sweet dreams. Sorry if I lost my cool a little bit. Didn't mean to offend. Just passionate about stuff.

Good on you for saying that! It is an upsetting subject.

Pleasant dreams.

456 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:32:43pm

re: #454 austin_blue

Gotta go. Good night, all. Sweet dreams. Sorry if I lost my cool a little bit. Didn't mean to offend. Just passionate about stuff.

I understand. Its a painful topic. That said, you handled yourself decently for the most part. Good talk, and I'll talk to you tomorrow.

457 webevintage  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:33:24am

re: #416 iceweasel

...we're getting married next month.

Love, the formerly anti-marriage,
Ms. iceweasel


mazel tov!!

458 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:02:23pm

Jimmah & Ice
Hey Congratulations. Best to you both. Amazing how you met here. May Scotland be your paradise.


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