Overnight Birds

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:13:10pm

One of these things is not like the others...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SESAME STREET!

2 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:16:34pm

Grover and Madeline Kahn

3 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:20:37pm

There is always one in the crowd.

Somebody has to be different.

Someone to sing off key... or perhaps just a lead singer that sticks out from the rest...

4 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:22:24pm

What Sesame Street tribute would be complete without this song?

5 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:24:00pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

What Sesame Street tribute would be complete without this song?

OR this song?

6 Bagua  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:27:56pm

Excellent Birds

7 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:29:10pm

Doin' The Pigeon (Fits with the overnight birds, you know)

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:33:45pm

I Love Trash

9 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:34:30pm

In tribute to the seagull within us all--Jonathon Livingston Seagull that is.

10 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:35:42pm

Just to make sure that the morning shift sees it ...

Lovebirds sighted on dreary Scottish moors.

(Jimmah = Heathcliff and Iceweasel = Catherine)

11 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:36:19pm

As much as I love the Sesame Street Muppets, I do wonder if Sesame Street isn't responsible for generations of Americans having shorter attention spans.

12 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:37:05pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

As much as I love the Sesame Street Muppets, I do wonder if Sesame Street isn't responsible for generations of Americans having shorter attention spans.

I'm sorry - did you say something?

13 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:38:06pm

re: #12 karmic_inquisitor

I'm sorry - did you say something?

Yes.

14 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:38:21pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

Doin' The Pigeon (Fits with the overnight birds, you know)


[Video]

On of my favorites as a kid. Even now I have something of a soft spot for pigeons, although part of that is that I've come to realize how much better they are to have around than the seagulls that have taken over some of their former spots near Lake Michigan. Pigeons leave droppings, but they aren't loud and aggressive like seagulls.

15 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:39:22pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

You're nice. I call them street rats.

16 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:42:11pm

The one Sesame Street memory that sticks out the most for me is when Mr Hooper died, and the episode where they had to tell Big Bird. I was too old for Sesame Street, but I watched it anyways, and cried.

You are not forgotten Mr. Hooper!

17 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:42:26pm

re: #10 karmic_inquisitor

Just to make sure that the morning shift sees it ...

Lovebirds sighted on dreary Scottish moors.

(Jimmah = Heathcliff and Iceweasel = Catherine)


{karmic inquisitor} awww...thanks! And yay, Monty Python!
--seriously, much gratitude to the community here and to Charles. line of little hearts needs to go here --->.

18 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:42:30pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

You're nice. I call them street rats.

I lot of the fishermen I used to know referred to them as "winged rats."

19 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:45:07pm

Sing a Song

20 freetoken  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:45:17pm

re: #17 iceweasel

line of little hearts needs to go here --->.

♥♥♥ ♡♡♡ ❤❤❤

(cut and paste for future use)

21 Millicent Islam  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:47:03pm

re: #20 freetoken

♥♥♥ ♡♡♡ ❤❤❤

(cut and paste for future use)

♥♥♥ ♡♡♡ ❤❤❤♥♥♥ ♡♡♡ ❤❤❤ ♥♥♥ ♡♡♡ ❤❤❤ ♥♥♥ ♡♡♡ ❤❤❤

!
Thank you!

22 mrbaracuda  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:47:04pm

Hooray, more birds! o/

23 mrbaracuda  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:47:27pm

Damn thing ate my right arm again! :(

24 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:48:18pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

The one Sesame Street memory that sticks out the most for me is when Mr Hooper died, and the episode where they had to tell Big Bird. I was too old for Sesame Street, but I watched it anyways, and cried.

You are not forgotten Mr. Hooper!

I remember that one too. It was a very well done, though quite sad episode. Made necessary by the death of actor who portrayed Mr. Hooper, Will Lee. Still, Sesame Street dealt with it wisely and with class.

25 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:50:24pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

You're nice. I call them street rats.

I'm not too fond of them, but they are better than the seagulls that now can be found in Lincoln Park Zoo. The gulls are far more aggressive and very loud.

26 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:52:23pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

It was very classy, and a difficult topic for a show to produce when the primary audience is pre-school children. They did a remarkable job, and that Mr Hooper's portrait still hangs in Big Bird home is a continuing tribute to the man who helped so many of us learn our ABCs and 123s.

27 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:54:16pm

re: #17 iceweasel

Thanks. And just for the record (and for the English Lit majors who will correct me on Bronte), I know that Yorkshire isn't Scotland but if you try to converse with a Yorkshireman you'll find him equally unintelligible.

28 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:54:24pm

Oh, awesome! My favorite Sesame Street band is on Youtube!

How Now Brown and the Moo Cow sing Wet Paint

29 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:57:07pm

re: #10 karmic_inquisitor

Just to make sure that the morning shift sees it ...

Lovebirds sighted on dreary Scottish moors.

(Jimmah = Heathcliff and Iceweasel = Catherine)


Thanks karmic! I would also like to say how grateful I am to LGF for providing ice-ski and I with the opportunity to meet. I know how lucky I am.

PS the 'man-cave' referenced in the previous thread is looking much nicer since the weasel's nesting urge took hold. Aesthetically pleasing, and at the same time more efficient and organised, somehow :

Image: Cloneoflair2.jpg

30 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:57:34pm
31 Aye Pod  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:00:14am

Testing
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

:)

32 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:01:08am

re: #29 Jimmah

Thanks karmic! I would also like to say how grateful I am to LGF for providing ice-ski and I with the opportunity to meet. I know how lucky I am.

PS the 'man-cave' referenced in the previous thread is looking much nicer since the weasel's nesting urge took hold. Aesthetically pleasing, and at the same time more efficient and organised, somehow :

[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]

So, you two are part of an sekrit, eevil SPECTER plot. I knew it!

/kidding

33 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:04:18am

re: #28 Sharmuta

Oh, awesome! My favorite Sesame Street band is on Youtube!

How Now Brown and the Moo Cow sing Wet Paint.

So thats what these kids were watching! I always wondered...

Image: notmykids.jpg

34 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:06:59am

re: #33 ausador

OMG! They're not my kids, so I can laugh.

35 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:07:02am

re: #29 Jimmah


PS the 'man-cave' referenced in the previous thread is looking much nicer since the weasel's nesting urge took hold. Aesthetically pleasing, and at the same time more efficient and organised, somehow :

[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]

Here are some more man cave decorating tips -

36 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:13:07am

re: #34 Sharmuta

OMG! They're not my kids, so I can laugh.

Notice none of the kids toys has paint on it, just the adult stuff, the couch, the Wega TV, etc...

I think that is one of those "I used to have to have kids but I was forced to kill them" moments.

///

37 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:22am

I just noticed the bug that messed up the links in people's nics is gone.

Thank you, Charles!

38 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:15:25am

re: #36 ausador

I like how the older one looks so proud of his handiwork.

39 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:20:50am

Don Music writes the Alphabet Song

40 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:25:13am

I just saw the news. Congratulations Ice and Jimmah. Jimmah, you haggis eating bastard, you stole my girl!

Seriously, congratulations to both of you! I wish you both the very best.

41 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:27:07am

It's time for me to go to bed. Goodnight all.

42 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:29:07am

Good night all!

43 boredtechindenver  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:33:26am

Congrats Ice and Jimmah.

44 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:36:40am

We want video of the wedding honeymoon of course, in HD if possible.

// ;)

45 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:42:45am

FBI reassessing past look at Fort Hood suspect

Nearly a year before Maj. Nidal Hasan allegedly went on a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, terrorism investigators conducted an "assessment" of him before deciding he did not pose a threat.

After the shooting, the FBI is doing a new assessment — of its own conduct.

The Army psychiatrist is believed to have acted alone despite repeated communications — intercepted by authorities — with a radical imam overseas, U.S. officials said Monday. The FBI will conduct an internal review to see whether it mishandled early information about the man accused in the bloody rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 29.

46 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:43:35am

Now for your existential frog wisdom moment of the day.

47 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:45:49am

Uh-oh...

South Korea Fires on North Korean Warship Near Border

South and North Korean warships exchanged fire off their western coast after the North’s vessel crossed a disputed sea border and ignored several warning shots, the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in Seoul.

The North Korean vessel ventured 1.3 kilometers (0.8 miles) into waters claimed by South Korea at about 10:33 a.m. local time today, triggering a two-minute exchange of fire that left 15 holes in the South Korean vessel, according to the military. The North’s ship returned across the border in flames after it was badly damaged in the exchange, Yonhap News reported, citing a government official in Seoul it didn’t identify.

North Korea said its patrol ship was attacked first by South Korean warships while on “routine guard duty” in its own waters and demanded an apology.

48 freetoken  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:53:18am

re: #47 Sharmuta

Wonder if lil' Kim is getting desperate for more attention?

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:54:05am

Question. I had a job offer yesterday, but the guy wants me to come in tomorrow and work 6 hours for free. He wants to see if my skills are what I say. Should I say thanks but no thanks? Thoughts?

50 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:54:35am

The North never stops trying to stir shit up, it seems the only way to keep the populace under control is to keep them convinced that everyone else in the world are their enemies. Every time border tensions die down a bit the North pulls something else to flare them up again.

Gee, its a good thing they don't have nukes or anything...

//

51 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:58:09am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

If it is fixed site steady work I don't think it is too unreasonable to ask you to prove yourself.

If the job is service type work and he is just maybe looking for a free hand for a two man job then no, you shouldn't.

52 Bagua  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:58:59am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

Take the work if it will help you, 6 hours is nothing if we're talking regular employment. The "for free" part is also meaningless, every job requires unpaid effort and it's a chance to show them why they should hire you.

53 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:59:34am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

Depends on how much you want the job, but I would haggle with him- no way would I do it for free. He wants a trial run, that's fair enough, but work is work and you should be paid. I would say if he wants to pay you for one day's work and no commitments attached if he's not impressed, fine. But working for free? Why- so he can get 6 hours of work for nothing and tell you not to come back? Screw that!

54 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:05:31am

Thanks guys. I have 30 hours to decide with fresh resumes in places that would be a better fit for me. The place is just a little breakfast joint. I also have to stop by an upscale independent steak joint today. Guess I'll see what pans out today. Again, thanks.

55 Aye Pod  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:06:33am

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #43 boredtechindenver

re: #44 ausador

Cheers and thanks guys :) There probably won't be a honeymoon video as such, but there may be a special commemorative video of a different kind up before long, from Jimmah-Ice productions ;-)

56 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:08:24am

re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar

He wants you to cook for 6 hours for free? Oh, hell no!

I would make a counter offer of something like half of what your wage would be. If he's that desperate for a cook, he'll pay it.

57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:11:21am

re: #56 Sharmuta

He wants you to cook for 6 hours for free? Oh, hell no!

I would make a counter offer of something like half of what your wage would be. If he's that desperate for a cook, he'll pay it.

With what he is offering with full employment, I would still only be at 55% of previous wages. But, that is the market right now. I'll counter with minimum cash under the table.

58 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:14:00am

Here is some wonderful news

Japan Pledges $5 Billion in New Afghan Aid

Japan said Tuesday it will dramatically increase its non-military aid to Afghanistan, pledging $5 billion for a range of projects that includes building schools and highways, training police officers, clearing land mines and rehabilitating former Taliban fighters.

The ministry’s statement on Tuesday said the “containment of insurgencies is essential” to achieving security in Afghanistan and pledged that “Japan will pave the way for the Afghans to take their own security responsibilities by such assistance as supporting the National Police.”

59 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:16:10am

re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar

That seems reasonable. If he won't go for it, ten you know he was putting you on from the start.

60 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:16:13am

That is good news, and kind of surprizing considering that they are even farther in debt right now than we are. (by GDP percentage)

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:16:39am

And FWIW, I think Obama's decision to listen to his generals what the right call. We give props when he does good and just the opposite when we disagree. But he made the right call.

62 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:17:20am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

what= was, PIMF

63 Bagua  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:17:43am

Just preparing for and traveling to an interview can take a couple of hours, what is 6 hours? If it ended up saving you from two weeks unemployment that is a risk of 6 hours for a chance to eliminate an 80 hour loss of wages, a 13 to 1 return on your time. That of course becomes more favourable should the period without work be longer.

The "free" 6 hours is irrelevant in the larger picture. The important question is would the employment improve your circumstances. If yes, then show up and show him you are the correct person for the job.

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:23:40am

re: #63 Bagua

I think it might be a trust issue, like Sharm said. Dude might be looking for free labor. I have a guy I worked for years ago who knows all indy restaurant owners. It will help when I talk to him today.

65 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:26:34am

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah- I've never heard of such a crappy job offer. One day, six hours and no pay? I can understand the man wants to know if you can cook, but for free? Not passing the smell test, imo.

66 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:27:39am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

And FWIW, I think Obama's decision to listen to his generals what the right call. We give props when he does good and just the opposite when we disagree. But he made the right call.

Seems to be some conflicting statements out there right now...

"Reports that President Obama has made a decision about Afghanistan are absolutely false," General Jim Jones told NBC News. "He has not received final options for his consideration, he has not reviewed those options with his national security team, and he has not made any decisions about resources. Any reports to the contrary are completely untrue and come from uninformed sources."

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, meanwhile, said the president would meet again on Wednesday with key members of his foreign policy and military team but was unlikely to announce final plans for Afghanistan until late this month, when he returns from an extended diplomatic trip to Asia.

Gibbs said the Pentagon is "working on additional recommendations" to present to Obama and that Obama has made no decision on troop numbers, or even on what the ratio should be between combat troops and trainers.

Admittedly it would appear that he has chosen to send more troops but we don't know how many yet or even how many will be combat troops and how many will be support staffers. McChrystal wanted 40,000 more combat troops plus their support staff. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for the best, we should know for sure pretty damn soon.

67 Sloppy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:28:27am

Re: Cannadian Club Akbar

As a senior in college I accepted a gig like that -- four Saturdays' free work as a try-out. I liked it, it liked me, and I ended up working there for 23 years and rising to a senior position.

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:31:39am

re: #66 ausador

re: #67 Sloppy

Re: Cannadian Club Akbar

As a senior in college I accepted a gig like that -- four Saturdays' free work as a try-out. I liked it, it liked me, and I ended up working there for 23 years and rising to a senior position.

Other than ownership, I've been upper management. We have a new casual concept restaurant in the area that has limited stores but has plenty of room for growth. I just need to think about working the 70 hours a week again. But good for you.

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:33:29am

re: #17 iceweasel

Righteous congratulations to both of you :D

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:35:31am

re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thanks guys. I have 30 hours to decide with fresh resumes in places that would be a better fit for me. The place is just a little breakfast joint. I also have to stop by an upscale independent steak joint today. Guess I'll see what pans out today. Again, thanks.

If it were me, I'd do it. It's only 6 hours. But artists and designers get a lot of spec work opportunities like that, I'm used to it. Sometimes they pan out!

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:37:47am

re: #70 WindUpBird

If it were me, I'd do it. It's only 6 hours. But artists and designers get a lot of spec work opportunities like that, I'm used to it. Sometimes they pan out!

Thing is, this place is what it is. It won't grow. If I took the job it would just be until I could secure money for my own place. And right now that isn't easy.

72 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:39:20am

Interesting that CBS are the ones saying all this is decided based on "sources" while the National Security Advisor is saying that their sources don't know what they are talking about.

I'm going to have to go with the National Security Advisor on this one, I think he probably knows a little more about it than the CBS reporters do.

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:40:36am

re: #72 ausador

Interesting that CBS are the ones saying all this is decided based on "sources" while the National Security Advisor is saying that their sources don't know what they are talking about.

I'm going to have to go with the National Security Advisor on this one, I think he probably knows a little more about it than the CBS reporters do.

That's where I heard it. Was on Drudge that CBS had a scoop.

74 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:42:17am
75 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:44:37am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

Question. I had a job offer yesterday, but the guy wants me to come in tomorrow and work 6 hours for free. He wants to see if my skills are what I say. Should I say thanks but no thanks? Thoughts?

Skills are typically determined during the interview process and from references by past employers. If there's some particular rare, special skill that's needed, a demonstration of your ability might be in order. But six hours seems excessive.

However, I've been on interviews that took up as much as two full days. Part of the process involved meeting all the members of various teams I would be working with if hired, to see if there was a good fit of both skills and personalities, and of course the usual grilling over technical knowledge, past experience, and so forth. None of this time was compensated - although they did fly me out to their site and pay for my hotel.

I guess it depends on how much you want the job. If it's a worthwhile opportunity, six hours is small change. If it's a job you're probably going to quit in three months, not so much.

Another thing to consider: how much would you make during that six hours otherwise?

76 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:51:05am

re: #74 Sharmuta

Penis tissue replaced in the lab

Well that will certainly make SR surgery a bit easier I would think, not to mention what it will do to market for "strap-ons."

///

77 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:51:31am

re: #60 ausador

That is good news, and kind of surprizing considering that they are even farther in debt right now than we are. (by GDP percentage)

Could you click either "Reply" or "Quote" when responding to earlier posts? It's hard figuring out who you're talking to sometimes. Thanks.

As for Japan - welcome news, although much of Asia is growing concerned over Japan's new, expansive military expeditions. Many remember the last time Japan extended it's military outside it's borders, and those are not fond memories in the least. I would expect a good amount of grumbling over this from some quarters.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:52:09am

re: #75 SixDegrees

Considering most jobs are posted on the internet these days and most places tell you to apply via the web, I would hate to be pulled away for a small amount of compensation and perhaps miss an opportunity. Like I said, this place is what it is. There will never be multiple locations. I guess I would be spinning my wheels.

79 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:57:01am

re: #77 SixDegrees

Ehh, I didn't bother that time because the board was dead and I figured I would have the next post below the one I was addressing. Sharmuta snuck a second post in on me while I was typing, sorry.

80 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:59:48am

re: #79 ausador

I'm such a pain in the arse like that. ;)

81 checked08  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:01:22am

Birdies!

Miss those late-night discovery channel documentaries.
Also this:

Good night

82 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:05:13am

re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's where I heard it. Was on Drudge that CBS had a scoop.

From all accounts at least the one brigade from Ft. Drum that was going to deploy to Iraq is now destined to go to Afganistan in January. But all they know there is that their deployment order to Iraq has been canceled, they have recieved no new orders about going anywhere else yet.

The Apparently there are still at least three different deployment plans being considered and Obama has not decided on one yet. CBS got some bad info it would seem, or at least info that while it may prove to be correct in the end is still very premature.

83 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:13:52am

re: #82 ausador

Considering I watch zero network or cable news, I should have checked more sites.

84 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:16:51am

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wait, you're a conservative. Don't you get all your news from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and the rest of the wingnuts?!?!

//

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:18:58am

re: #84 TheMatrix31

Wait, you're a conservative. Don't you get all your news from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and the rest of the wingnuts?!?!

//

Dude, get with it. Alex Jones!!! Don't you know the swine flu shots have microchips in them!!! New World Order!! FEMA Camps!! Martial Law is coming!!
//not enough

86 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:21:11am

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gee, I'm so glad all us conservatives are on the same page!!!

///

87 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:21:42am

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wish it was true, I thought it was great news this afternoon too. Then I started hearing some backpeddling rumors and started checking further. CBS doesn't usually announce anything like this until they are pretty damn sure of it, a lot of us got sucked in, and a lot of sites.

Maybe someone was just "leaking" this story to try to force Obama's hand, who knows?

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:24:21am

re: #87 ausador

I wish it was true, I thought it was great news this afternoon too. Then I started hearing some backpeddling rumors and started checking further. CBS doesn't usually announce anything like this until they are pretty damn sure of it, a lot of us got sucked in, and a lot of sites.

Maybe someone was just "leaking" this story to try to force Obama's hand, who knows?

Well CBS did give us the "throbbing memo." They could also be trying to build up Obama.

89 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:26:49am

re: #84 TheMatrix31

Wait, you're a conservative. Don't you get all your news from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and the rest of the wingnuts?!?!

//

While I may listen to those other news sources the only one I trust implicitly is Glenn Beck, you can tell he is sincere because of how much he cries. I never would have guessed that Rockefeller was a commie without him showing me the truth!

90 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:33:48am

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude, get with it. Alex Jones!!! Don't you know the swine flu shots have microchips in them!!! New World Order!! FEMA Camps!! Martial Law is coming!!
//not enough

I don't trust Alex Jones, he says he doesn't believe in the Reptilians, he's probably really one of them!

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:38:28am

re: #90 ausador

I don't trust Alex Jones, he says he doesn't believe in the Reptilians, he's probably really one of them!

I trust George Norrie. He believes in Shape Shifters.
/

92 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:41:23am

re: #69 WindUpBird

Righteous congratulations to both of you :D

thanks! :) How have you been?

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good luck. I wish I had some insight to offer! Bagua seemed right to me FWIW. (63)

93 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:03:45am

Jonah Goldberg fans!

Meet Joshua, Jonah's even dumber brother:

Part One.

Part Two.

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:11:36am

re: #93 iceweasel

Jonah Goldberg fans!

Meet Joshua, Jonah's even dumber brother:

Part One.

Part Two.

Banning dogs from sidewalk tree planters.

We should sell small astroturf mats for dogs in NYC. I smell cash!! Or it might just be poop.
/

95 soxfan4life  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:17:14am

Been kind of busy around here as of late, meant to post this on the Sunday AM open thread with Hoops prayer list. If you are interested in donating to the families at Fort Hood you can send to the Central Texas/ Fort Hood chapter of AUSA (Association of the US Army) PO Box 10700 Killeen TX 76547 and mark your correspondence for the tragedy of 11/5. 100% of all donations go to the families of those killed and injured. Thanks for your generosity in advance, and if you cannot afford to send a donation thank you for your prayers and well wishes.

96 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:19:48am

re: #93 iceweasel

Jonah Goldberg fans!

Meet Joshua, Jonah's even dumber brother:

Part One.

Part Two.

Lol, Goldberg sock puppet fail.

97 soxfan4life  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:21:53am

re: #93 iceweasel

Saw your bit of good news in the previous thread. Congrats to you both and may you enjoy many years of happiness together.

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:28:44am

Don't think I have ever had the top comment for a day, much less the top two.

(*Looks up to the sky and says*)...

Good Morning!

(this too will pass)

99 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:28:44am

re: #17 iceweasel

re: #29 Jimmah

Congrats!
*starts singing juvenile songs about sitting up in trees* :)

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:32:15am

Ice! Jimmah!

Congrats.

NO FLOUNCING!

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:32:30am

re: #98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You must have taken "smart pills."
/

102 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:33:41am

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ice! Jimmah!

Congrats.

NO FLOUNCING!

Sigh. You don't flounce in trees...oh, wait. :P
/

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:34:34am

There have been some LGF hook-ups in the past. Not sure any went that (Scotland) far...

104 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:39:56am

re: #97 soxfan4life

Saw your bit of good news in the previous thread. Congrats to you both and may you enjoy many years of happiness together.

Hey, Thanks! Hope everything's going well for you in the new place. (state, job.)

re: #99 Varek Raith
re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks! We're pretty dang happy, I must say.
re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There have been some LGF hook-ups in the past. Not sure any went that (Scotland) far...

It's really cool! I thought LGF had been a meeting point for a few other people, right?
We're going to do a little thankyou vid to LGF and CJ at some point, but we've been busy. {FVB}

105 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:40:08am

Aw, crap! I thought people were joking about wanting the honeymoon video. Well, knock me down with a feather. Congrats, Jimmah and Ice!! I'm always the last to know.

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:40:12am

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

You must have taken "smart pills."
/

Ampassionatta Von Climax: "Here, Bullzy.. take one of your Norman Vincent Peale Pills."
General Bullmoose: "No, they make me think too positive."

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:40:59am

re: #104 iceweasel


We're going to do a little thankyou vid to LGF and CJ at some point, but we've been busy.

RAWR.

108 soxfan4life  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:44:29am

re: #104 iceweasel

Thank you, I took a job as a contractor here at Fort Hood, so things got a little scary last week, but after today they should quiet down alot.

109 Aye Pod  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:45:11am

re: #97 soxfan4life

re: #99 Varek Raith

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for the good wishes, folks :)

Soon, iceweasel will be a Scottish iceweasel. And that of course, is the worst kind of iceweasel there is ;-)

110 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:46:55am

re: #108 soxfan4life

Thank you, I took a job as a contractor here at Fort Hood, so things got a little scary last week, but after today they should quiet down alot.

Oh NO! Sorry-- I remembered you were in Texas but not that you were there! So sorry. Are you and the people you know ok?

111 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:48:38am

re: #109 Jimmah

re: #99 Varek Raith

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for the good wishes, folks :)

Soon, iceweasel will be a Scottish iceweasel. And that of course, is the worst kind of iceweasel there is ;-)

I wonder if I can vote in both places, with dual citizenship? Any other American expats on here? (to anywhere, not just uk)

112 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:49:08am

Yeah, yeah, I know it is a msnbc link, but it is the most detailed account of exactly what was in that lecture Hasan gave at Walter Reed.

The final three slides indicate that Hasan referred to Osama bin Laden, the Taliban, suicide bombers and Iran.

Under a slide titled "Comments," he wrote: "If Muslim groups can convince Muslims that they are fighting for God against injustices of the 'infidels'; ie: enemies of Islam, then Muslims can become a potent adversary ie: suicide bombing, etc." [sic]

The last bullet point on that page reads simply: "We love death more then [sic] you love life!"

Under the "Conclusions" page, Hasan wrote that "Fighting to establish an Islamic State to please God, even by force, is condoned by the Islam," and that "Muslim Soldiers should not serve in any capacity that renders them at risk to hurting/killing believers unjustly — will vary!"

113 soxfan4life  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:50:20am

re: #110 iceweasel

No injuries, but some of the soldiers killed and injured wear the same patch I have as my avatar. We are sad and shocked, but physically OK. Whenever something happens to a cav trooper my wife and I both say it feels like family. We will be working with the Fisher House to help provide a Thanksgiving meal to out of town family visiting loved ones here at the hospital.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:54:32am

re: #111 iceweasel

I wonder if I can vote in both places, with dual citizenship? Any other American expats on here? (to anywhere, not just uk)

You're a lib! You can vote often! Wherever you want, whenever you want!

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:57:40am

Sorry, had to do this..

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:00:41am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

heh!

117 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:02:45am

re: #113 soxfan4life

No injuries, but some of the soldiers killed and injured wear the same patch I have as my avatar. We are sad and shocked, but physically OK. Whenever something happens to a cav trooper my wife and I both say it feels like family. We will be working with the Fisher House to help provide a Thanksgiving meal to out of town family visiting loved ones here at the hospital.

Many thanks and good thoughts for you and yours, and all in your family, those related by blood and marriage, and those who are your family in other ways. {soxfan}

118 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:04:30am

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're a lib! You can vote often! Wherever you want, whenever you want!

oh damn, I forgot all those registrations in Chicago...yay!

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry, had to do this..

I think we met groundskeeper willie yesterday. :(

119 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:07:34am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Damn those Scots they ruined Scotland!"

Heh. :)

120 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:15:53am

Robin Williams. :D

/Language warning.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:16:08am
122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:16:14am

This is why I don't drink while in NYC...

123 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:23:48am

re: #119 ausador

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

More Scots videos! I thought scottishness was transmitted through the male line?

124 soxfan4life  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:27:48am

Good day all, I must head in to base in what should be quite a day getting through the gate.

125 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:30:13am

'The Scotsman'

Well a Scotsman clad in kilt left a bar on evening fair
And one could tell by how we walked that he drunk more than his share
He fumbled round until he could no longer keep his feet
Then he stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
He stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street

About that time two young and lovely girls just happend by
And one says to the other with a twinkle in her eye
See yon sleeping Scotsman so strong and handsome built
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt

They crept up on that sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold, for them to see, beneath his Scottish skirt
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth

They marveled for a moment, then one said we must be gone
Let's leave a present for our friend, before we move along
As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon, tied into a bow
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show

Now the Scotsman woke to nature's call and stumbled towards a tree
Behind a bush, he lift his kilt and gawks at what he sees
And in a startled voice he says to what's before his eyes.
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:40:05am

re: #125 ausador

The Scotsman!

127 Aye Pod  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:43:08am

McGlashen : Scotland's favourite ranting nationalist bigot:

128 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:45:18am

re: #125 ausador

Some Guinness was spilt on the barroom floor
When the pub was shut for the night.
When out of his hole crept a wee brown mouse
And stood in the pale moonlight.

He lapped up the frothy foam from the floor
Then back on his haunches he sat.
And all night long, you could hear the mouse roar,
"Bring on the goshdarn cat!"

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:46:52am

re: #127 Jimmah

My maternal Grandfather was Scottish. Grandmother was Irish.
Paternal Grandfather was British (house of Stuart). Grandmother was Welsh.

We have the isles pretty well covered. Mentioned to my cousin once that I thought that my maternal Grandfather was Irish (he died when I was 12, like I'd know). She asked me if I had ever asked him if he was Irish. I said "No. Why?"

She said, "I didn't think you did."
I said, "Why not."
She said, "Explains why you are still alive."

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:49:59am

re: #128 MandyManners

Abbreviated...

Scotsman pulls a fly out of his beer... squeezes it between his fingers shouting, "Spit it out, ya wee bastid!"

131 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:50:21am

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Scotsman!

HEY! I was looking for that to show Jimmah! yay, thanks--

132 Aye Pod  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:53:38am

Michael Macintyre on the Scots :

133 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:05:33am

If Hasan is to get the ultimate punishmen, BHO will be the one to sign off on it.

134 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:06:03am

t

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:10:41am

re: #133 MandyManners

If Hasan is to get the ultimate punishmen, BHO will be the one to sign off on it.

I have no idea what his position is on the death penalty. I remember when the gubner of Illinois stopped all executions, though.

136 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:13:48am

re: #133 MandyManners

If Hasan is to get the ultimate punishmen, BHO will be the one to sign off on it.

Interesting point, thanks for bringing that up.
That decision discussion is sure to froth up the interwebs!

137 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:14:00am

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have no idea what his position is on the death penalty. I remember when the gubner of Illinois stopped all executions, though.

I doubt he's a proponent. But, I could be wrong.

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:15:01am

re: #137 MandyManners

I doubt he's a proponent. But, I could be wrong.

He might not agree, but it would be the wrong move to say no.

139 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:15:15am

re: #136 Taqyia2Me

Interesting point, thanks for bringing that up.
That decision discussion is sure to froth up the interwebs!

Military justice is swifter than that in the civilian world.

140 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:16:05am

re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar

He might not agree, but it would be the wrong move to say no.

I hope his tin ear is not working the day he is to sign off on it.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:17:23am

re: #139 MandyManners

Military justice is swifter than that in the civilian world.

But when was the last time the military executed anyone?

143 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:19:28am

bbl

144 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:19:33am

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have no idea what his position is on the death penalty. I remember when the gubner of Illinois stopped all executions, though.

The IL gov had to put a moratorium on executions because a number of people on death row were found to be innocent.
Not 'won an appeal', or released due to a procedural error -- innocent, exonerated.

Obama worked on legislation that requires the videotaping of police interrogations; this is (possibly) a pro-death penalty stance, because it eliminated one of the major issues (IIRC) that led to false death row convictions: by eliminating the possibility that confessions were coerced.

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:20:47am

re: #144 iceweasel

I thought that was the reason, but wasn't 100% sure.

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:21:56am

re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought that was the reason, but wasn't 100% sure.

I actually thought someone was executed, then it came out he was innocent.

147 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:23:08am

re: #144 iceweasel

The IL gov had to put a moratorium on executions because a number of people on death row were found to be innocent.
Not 'won an appeal', or released due to a procedural error -- innocent, exonerated.

Obama worked on legislation that requires the videotaping of police interrogations; this is (possibly) a pro-death penalty stance, because it eliminated one of the major issues (IIRC) that led to false death row convictions: by eliminating the possibility that confessions were coerced.

I'll look for the links to his time as state senator where he blocked, in committee, bills related to government funding toward those babies who survived abortion attempts.

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:26:43am

re: #147 Taqyia2Me

ACK!

149 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:26:57am

re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually thought someone was executed, then it came out he was innocent.

There was someone who was innocent and came close to execution-- Anthony Porter.

Governor George H. Ryan today declared a moratorium on executions of any more Illinois Death Row inmates until a Commission he will appoint to conduct a review of the administration of the death penalty in Illinois can make recommendations to him.

"I now favor a moratorium, because I have grave concerns about our state's shameful record of convicting innocent people and putting them on death row," Governor Ryan said. "And, I believe, many Illinois residents now feel that same deep reservation. I cannot support a system, which, in its administration, has proven to be so fraught with error and has come so close to the ultimate nightmare, the state's taking of innocent life. Thirteen people have been found to have been wrongfully convicted."

Governor Ryan noted that while he still believes the death penalty is a proper societal response for crimes that shock sensibility, he believes Illinois residents are troubled by the persistent problems in the administration of capital punishment in Illinois. Since the death penalty was reinstated in Illinois in 1977, 12 Death Row inmates have been executed while 13 have been exonerated.

"How do you prevent another Anthony Porter -- another innocent man or woman from paying the ultimate penalty for a crime he or she did not commit?" Governor Ryan said referring to the former inmate whose execution was stayed by the Illinois Supreme Court after new evidence emerged clearing him of the capital offense. "Today, I cannot answer that question."

Governor Ryan said he will not approve any more executions until this review of the administration of the death penalty is completed.

"Until I can be sure that everyone sentenced to death in Illinois is truly guilty, until I can be sure with moral certainty that no innocent man or woman is facing a lethal injection, no one will meet that fate," Governor Ryan said. "I am a strong proponent of tough criminal penalties, of supporting laws and programs to help police and prosecutors keep dangerous criminals off the streets. We must ensure the public safety of our citizens but, in doing so, we must ensure that the ends of justice are served."

150 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:33:33am

re: #147 Taqyia2Me

I'll look for the links to his time as state senator where he blocked, in committee, bills related to government funding toward those babies who survived abortion attempts.

That is a wingnut lie debunked here before. The Infant Born Alive Protection Act was a stalking horse for introducing anti-choice legislation.

Obama's critics are free to speculate on his motives for voting against the bills, and postulate a lack of concern for babies' welfare. But his stated reasons for opposing "born-alive" bills have to do with preserving abortion rights, a position he is known to support and has never hidden.

PS: Jill Stanek.

151 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:51:03am

I don't know anything at all about this guy running for Congress in NC, but if his web design is to be taken as a clue, I'm going to go ahead and assume that he's batshit crazy.

Also, there's a message forum that seems to consist of him writing posts to himself.

Way back in the Beforetime, when the internet wasn't nearly as ubiquitous as it is now, and nobody had conceived of "blogging", there were still kooks who had Urgently Important Things to Say. I worked at a print shop, and kooks of all stripes would frequently come in and have their most recent screed copied and bound. I saved a few choice samples, and I sure hope I never end up in the media spotlight, because someone is sure to come across my collection of kook literature and make lots of incorrect assumptions about me (including that I am a member of both the KKK and the Nation of Islam; and that I once sought help from the dean of Bob Jones University for my problems with the Clintons, who had caused my children's teeth to decay and fall out and my spouse's eyesight to go bad in retaliation for something incomprehensible but apparently having to do with Arkansas.)

152 blueherron  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:53:02am

Iceweasel and Jimmah---
This is sooo romantic. Congratulations and best wishes to both of you!!!

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:54:02am

re: #151 negativ

People love political memorabilia. 2 words-Ebay!!
/OK, just 1 word

154 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:54:04am

re: #150 iceweasel

Oh yeah? Then I suppose it is a lie that Obama uses his eyes to hypnotically control people's minds and that he eats babies too. Well if it is a lie then how do you explain this?

Image: obamap.jpg

///Gack...

155 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:55:06am

re: #154 ausador

Oh yeah? Then I suppose it is a lie that Obama uses his eyes to hypnotically control people's minds and that he eats babies too. Well if it is a lie then how do you explain this?

[Link: i603.photobucket.com...]

///Gack...

That's true!! I saw it on the intraweb!
/

156 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:58:17am

Good Morning LGF.
Am I the only one who just felt the prospect of a quick resolution to the Ft. Hood Islamofascist Terror case go flying out the window?
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:59:09am

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

...and was not surprised...?

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 5:59:43am

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
Am I the only one who just felt the prospect of a quick resolution to the Ft. Hood Islamofascist Terror case go flying out the window?
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

He will face a military trial. They can move it all they want.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:01:09am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

He will face a military trial. They can move it all they want.

Can you move for change of venue to civilian?
/
In Iran?
/

160 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:02:03am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

He will face a military trial. They can move it all they want.

The attorney's worry is that it doesn't matter where they move it; the fact that the defendant's name has been splashed all over the mainstream media means that a jury trial is unfairly biased against him. In an instance where there is a credible case to be made for the defense, this is clearly very understandable, but this? I don't even know HOW the defense would make a case.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:02:13am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can you move for change of venue to civilian?
/
In Iran?
/

In Iran he would be made Vice President.

162 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:03:13am

re: #160 thedopefishlives

The attorney's worry is that it doesn't matter where they move it; the fact that the defendant's name has been splashed all over the mainstream media means that a jury trial is unfairly biased against him. In an instance where there is a credible case to be made for the defense, this is clearly very understandable, but this? I don't even know HOW the defense would make a case.

They use officers as the jury, not like a civillian trial, IIRC.

163 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:04:56am

re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar

They use officers as the jury, not like a civillian trial, IIRC.

Either way, you get the idea. The attorney's thinking to get him off on a technicality because there's no way a jury would fail to convict, given the media coverage. Never mind that there's no way a jury would fail to convict on the merits...

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:05:00am

re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar

They use officers as the jury, not like a civillian trial, IIRC.

Lawhawk will know better than me.

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:05:36am

I admire LVQ. He made a statement a few weeks ago, that while he was generally opposed to the death sentence, he was entirely for the death sentence for dudes like the DC Sniper and the like that were obviously very guilty...

I'm more "liberal" in my stance that it should be applied a little more generously than that. But I admired his honesty.

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:07:12am

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I admire LVQ. He made a statement a few weeks ago, that while he was generally opposed to the death sentence, he was entirely for the death sentence for dudes like the DC Sniper and the like that were obviously very guilty...

I'm more "liberal" in my stance that it should be applied a little more generously than that. But I admired his honesty.

Well, DC Sniper has 12 more hours to think about his crimes.

167 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:07:28am

Good morning everyone. I found out this week that we're facing a new enemy in the war on terror.

168 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:08:17am

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
Am I the only one who just felt the prospect of a quick resolution to the Ft. Hood Islamofascist Terror case go flying out the window?
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

His attorney will be of limited use to him in front of a military tribunal, the rules are a bit different. I don't see how this changes anything, surely you expected him to get a lawyer at some point?

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:09:02am

re: #166 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, DC Sniper has 12 more hours to think about his crimes.

Now, see? There you go making me smile again.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:10:18am

re: #167 Mad Al-Jaffee

Good morning everyone. I found out this week that we're facing a new enemy in the war on terror.

As we hold our large heads high...

171 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:18:29am

re: #168 ausador

His attorney will be of limited use to him in front of a military tribunal, the rules are a bit different. I don't see how this changes anything, surely you expected him to get a lawyer at some point?

Actually I was hoping for a spontaneous human combustion.
Now that it looks like he will recover I'm sure he will receive the very best legal representation available.

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:20:03am

re: #171 Spare O'Lake

Actually I was hoping for a spontaneous human combustion.
Now that it looks like he will recover I'm sure he will receive the very best legal representation available.

And I am sure his lawyer will pass on cross examining all the witnesses.

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:25:17am

Hey! It's the Marine Corps' birthday!

174 ryannon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:25:41am

re: #111 iceweasel

I wonder if I can vote in both places, with dual citizenship? Any other American expats on here? (to anywhere, not just uk)

Yes, me.

Paris, France.

Could be better, could be worse.

Congratulations and best wishes!

175 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:28:40am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! It's the Marine Corps' birthday!

Are they on Sesame Street?

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:29:09am

re: #175 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are they on Sesame Street?

Nah. Here they are!

177 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:29:16am

UCMJ: Otherwise known as "US Code: Title 10 Chapter 47, The Uniform Code of Military Justice."

Very easy to read and understand because unlike civilian law there isn't much to it. Common sense procedures and rules, once they actually get him into the tribunal the proceedings will all be over and done in a day or two. You don't see months long trials in the military.

178 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:30:11am

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah. Here they are!

I'm at work. No YouTube for me.

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:30:18am

re: #175 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are they on Sesame Street?

Occupiers!!!
/

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:30:50am

re: #177 ausador

If they'd let them fucking fight, our wars would only take a few days too.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:31:14am

re: #178 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm at work. No YouTube for me.

(Gomer Pyle, USMC) intro...

182 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:33:07am

Yesterday after work I visited the Victims of Communism Memorial. It's pretty much across the street from my building. I expected to see something about the fall of the Berlin Wall there, but there was just one vase of flowers. At least someone left something in honor of that date.

Here's a picture of the memorial:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

183 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:36:37am

re: #174 ryannon

Yes, me.

Paris, France.

Could be better, could be worse.

Congratulations and best wishes!

Cool, thanks! I will probably have a few questions in the next month or so, if that's ok.Thanks again!

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:36:40am

re: #182 Mad Al-Jaffee

I didn't know there was such a memorial. Well at least above ground.

Not trying to be funny there, either.

185 Millicent Islam  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:38:38am

re: #152 blueherron

Iceweasel and Jimmah---
This is sooo romantic. Congratulations and best wishes to both of you!!!

Thanks bh!!! We're kind of insane with the happy right now. {bh}

Hope you're feeling ok and things are looking good for you.

186 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:39:44am

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn't know there was such a memorial. Well at least above ground.

Not trying to be funny there, either.

Every time I walk from my office to Chinatown (and I used to do that 2-3 times a week when I was going to a gym there) I would pass it. It's been around a couple of years.

187 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:43:17am

re: #185 iceweasel

Thanks bh!!! We're kind of insane with the happy right now. {bh}

Hope you're feeling ok and things are looking good for you.

So now LGF is the new eHarmony?

188 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:44:50am

As President Obama belatedly appears at Fort Hood today, will he dare to speak the word "terror?"He won't use the word "Islamist." If he mentions Islam at all, it'll be to sing its praises yet again.

[Link: www.nypostonline.com...]

189 ryannon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:46:57am

re: #183 iceweasel

Cool, thanks! I will probably have a few questions in the next month or so, if that's ok.Thanks again!

No problem. I've been here as long as I was in the U.S., which adds up to a long time. I'll be happy to answer any queries, but what's applicable here isn't necessarily there. The great initial advantage for you is the ah, similarity, between the languages. No need to start from scratch. Some excellent spirits up that way as well. Get ahold of me anytime you see me in a thread and I'll arrange to send you my email addy if you wish...

190 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:48:27am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for the reminder. I have a friend who served in Panama (medic). I'll send him a note. It would not be the same America without the Marines.

191 srb1976  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:51:00am

Morning folks...haven't been around much lately, hope I haven't missed too much = )

192 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:51:47am

re: #191 srb1976

Good to see you! Still love that baby picture avatar.

193 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:52:04am

Anyone have kids in HS? I have a problem with an assignment given to my sis-in-law (she lives with my spouse and I) re: Islam. I've managed to keep my mouth shut this long but now they've given her an assignment that basically asks her to do a little research and come up with good reasons why Muslims hate the US, the West, and Jews. I almost blew a gasket when I read the assignment. I'm unsure how to handle it, do I just let her make shit up or do I help her stick a fork in her teacher?

194 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:53:08am

re: #188 albusteve

I disagree with the belatedly moniker used; he is attending the memorial service set by the US Army, and visiting before the preliminary investigation was complete would have made those investigative efforts more difficult. That he's arriving a few days after the attacks isn't a problem for me; what he will say and do is another.

Let's hear what he has to say, and that's far more important to me.

Meanwhile, someone is going to have to explain how communications between a known Islamist extremist who was known to be a spiritual leader for al Qaeda terrorists, including two of the 9/11 hijackers, and Hasan were harmless. 10-20 communications were intercepted in December 2008. The FBI shared that information with the US Army, which instead of raising further red flags, actually promoted him to Major.

It now appears that the warning signs weren't missed - just ignored by the Army brass who were responsible for deciding Hasan's career options. Throw in the Walter Reed incident (where he used a medical presentation to go off on an Islamist rant), and someone clearly dropped the ball for the Army.

195 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:55:55am

re: #193 RogueOne

Anyone have kids in HS? I have a problem with an assignment given to my sis-in-law (she lives with my spouse and I) re: Islam. I've managed to keep my mouth shut this long but now they've given her an assignment that basically asks her to do a little research and come up with good reasons why Muslims hate the US, the West, and Jews. I almost blew a gasket when I read the assignment. I'm unsure how to handle it, do I just let her make shit up or do I help her stick a fork in her teacher?

Let her tell the truth. How bad is the PC in that school?

196 blueherron  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:56:01am

re: #185 iceweasel

Hey I'm not getting whisked away to Scotland, but life could be worse. I don't have a job, job but I'm getting by. And your announcement just makes my day...Not that it was hard since my goal today is to kill a very small, but devious and sinister mouse.

197 ryannon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:56:14am

re: #193 RogueOne

Anyone have kids in HS? I have a problem with an assignment given to my sis-in-law (she lives with my spouse and I) re: Islam. I've managed to keep my mouth shut this long but now they've given her an assignment that basically asks her to do a little research and come up with good reasons why Muslims hate the US, the West, and Jews. I almost blew a gasket when I read the assignment. I'm unsure how to handle it, do I just let her make shit up or do I help her stick a fork in her teacher?

Wow - what the hell kind of assignment is that?

198 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:56:31am

The last homework assignment she brought home was a whitewash of the Islamic rule during the 8th-12th centuries. Their argument (the school and textbooks) was that life was so good under the islamic rule that the citizenry of the nations they overtook didn't rebel because muslim rule was a joy.

199 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:57:07am

re: #193 RogueOne

Anyone have kids in HS? I have a problem with an assignment given to my sis-in-law (she lives with my spouse and I) re: Islam. I've managed to keep my mouth shut this long but now they've given her an assignment that basically asks her to do a little research and come up with good reasons why Muslims hate the US, the West, and Jews. I almost blew a gasket when I read the assignment. I'm unsure how to handle it, do I just let her make shit up or do I help her stick a fork in her teacher?

How hard is it to find reasons why Muslims hate the US? It doesn't seem like a hard assignment - any number of websites will offer all sorts of material.

An analysis of the basis underlying those claims would seem to be within scope, as well. That most are hollow upon actual examination seems like something worth presenting.

201 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:59:04am

re: #194 lawhawk

Ralph Peters has become more abrasive since BO was elected...the two of them are exactly 180deg from one another

202 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:59:28am

re: #193 RogueOne

Anyone have kids in HS? I have a problem with an assignment given to my sis-in-law (she lives with my spouse and I) re: Islam. I've managed to keep my mouth shut this long but now they've given her an assignment that basically asks her to do a little research and come up with good reasons why Muslims hate the US, the West, and Jews. I almost blew a gasket when I read the assignment. I'm unsure how to handle it, do I just let her make shit up or do I help her stick a fork in her teacher?

I'd investigate FULLY, then probably go for the stick.
(It could be part of an "impersonate both sides" exercise.)

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:00:46am

Hey, John Allen Muhammad! I hope it stings a little. I kind of wish you were visiting "Ole Sparky"...

204 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:04:11am

Hey Morning Lizards!

What's up?

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:05:43am

re: #204 ggt

Love is in the air!
The Marines are a year older!
John Allen Muhammad gets to visits whatever afterlife awaits him...

206 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:06:07am

re: #195 NJDhockeyfan

I live in an urban area but it's still Indiana, I don't think they're that PC. I was actually surprised by the way the school district is portraying it.

207 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:06:53am

re: #198 RogueOne

The last homework assignment she brought home was a whitewash of the Islamic rule during the 8th-12th centuries. Their argument (the school and textbooks) was that life was so good under the islamic rule that the citizenry of the nations they overtook didn't rebel because muslim rule was a joy.

I'm with Decatur Deb --Investigate and Report ("voice your concern") up the chain of command. Write and editorial about it to your local paper, perhaps.

What a BS assignment. What kind of class is this for?

This type of stuff is why my kid is in private school.

208 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:08:41am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love is in the air!
The Marines are a year older!
John Allen Muhammad gets to visits whatever afterlife awaits him...

Happy Birthday Marines!!!

Thank you for your service!!!

209 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:10:20am

In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

what the hell is this all about?...

210 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:10:22am

re: #199 SixDegrees

How hard is it to find reasons why Muslims hate the US? It doesn't seem like a hard assignment - any number of websites will offer all sorts of material.

An analysis of the basis underlying those claims would seem to be within scope, as well. That most are hollow upon actual examination seems like something worth presenting.

I like your solution.

211 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:14:40am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

re: #207 ggt

It's a history class. I don't have kids, and I wouldn't have them in this school district if I did. My sis-in-law is from BFE Iowa just outside the S. Dakota line. She hated living there so her folks sent her here. She went from a school that had 300 kids total in grades 5-12 and now she's in a graduating class of almost 700 people.

I had planned on making the assignment a bit of a joke. Sayyid Qutb visited Iowa during the 50's and hated the mens haircuts so I was going to tie terrorism to haircuts and islamic anger over having their asses handed to them routinely by the jews in the 60's and 70's.

212 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:16:21am

re: #211 RogueOne

re: #207 ggt

It's a history class. I don't have kids, and I wouldn't have them in this school district if I did. My sis-in-law is from BFE Iowa just outside the S. Dakota line. She hated living there so her folks sent her here. She went from a school that had 300 kids total in grades 5-12 and now she's in a graduating class of almost 700 people.

I had planned on making the assignment a bit of a joke. Sayyid Qutb visited Iowa during the 50's and hated the mens haircuts so I was going to tie terrorism to haircuts and islamic anger over having their asses handed to them routinely by the jews in the 60's and 70's.

It's cool you tool your SIL into your home!

Bad haircuts --good idea.

213 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:16:55am

The Marine Birthday is threadworthy, doncha think?

214 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:18:51am

re: #213 ggt

The Marine Birthday is threadworthy, doncha think?

I sent your comment to Charles. We'll see.

215 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:19:44am

re: #213 ggt

The Marine Birthday is threadworthy, doncha think?

Not as important as the 40th anniversary of Sesame Street!

216 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:20:07am

re: #212 ggt

She's a good kid. I used to tease my wife about trading her in for the younger version once she got old enough (her sis is 16 and about 14 years younger), now she's not thinking that jokes funny anymore. Other than that, it's working out fine.

217 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:20:09am

re: #215 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not as important as the 40th anniversary of Sesame Street!

Did you forget your sarc tag?
:)

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:20:50am

re: #215 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not as important as the 40th anniversary of Sesame Street!

Well, that was a "Bizzarro World" statement. And, it made me smile.

Am I the only person who loved the TV show "Major Dad"?

219 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #216 RogueOne

She's a good kid. I used to tease my wife about trading her in for the younger version once she got old enough (her sis is 16 and about 14 years younger), now she's not thinking that jokes funny anymore. Other than that, it's working out fine.

How many Muslim students are in the school. I'd love to know what a muslim student would think of the assignment.

220 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:22:30am

re: #50 ausador

The North never stops trying to stir shit up, it seems the only way to keep the populace under control is to keep them convinced that everyone else in the world are their enemies. Every time border tensions die down a bit the North pulls something else to flare them up again.

Gee, its a good thing they don't have nukes or anything...

//

Y'all are talkin' bout Korea, right, not the War of Northern Aggression?

221 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:22:52am

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, that was a "Bizzarro World" statement. And, it made me smile.

Am I the only person who loved the TV show "Major Dad"?

Yes. But then again, I am the only person who liked the show "Grand" on NBC.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:23:16am

re: #219 ggt

Can't you just see a Muslim child innocently looking up at a teacher and saying, "Why would I hate America?"

Just gave me a pleasant mental image.

223 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:23:47am

re: #217 ggt

Did you forget your sarc tag?
:)

Didn't think I needed one. Maybe I should have written, according to google, not as important...

224 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:24:46am

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't you just see a Muslim child innocently looking up at a teacher and saying, "Why would I hate America?"

Just gave me a pleasant mental image.

I was thinking of the non-religious arabs I know --if their kid got an assignment like that, I think they'd freak.

225 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:25:19am

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, that was a "Bizzarro World" statement. And, it made me smile.

Am I the only person who loved the TV show "Major Dad"?

Never saw it, but I'm probably the only person who liked The Norm Show.

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:25:21am

re: #223 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oh. I think that is cute.

But, Marines are the best!

227 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:26:29am

re: #223 Mad Al-Jaffee

Didn't think I needed one. Maybe I should have written, according to google, not as important...

I would have probably put it there, out of respect for the Marines. Some readers aren't as quick on the updraw as others. It's the kind of thing that could be taken out of context by the LGF haters trolling for such stuff.

(JMHO)

228 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:26:40am

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see Generation Kill, if you haven't already. Read the book it's based on too. Great stuff.

229 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:26:44am

I'm surprised this isn't bigger news this morning

North Korean, South Korean navies trade fire on disputed border

North and South Korean naval forces exchanged fire in disputed waters off their west coast Tuesday, the first such incident in seven years. No South Korean casualties were reported, but the North Korean ship was badly damaged during the skirmish. Each navy is blaming the other for the incident, which analysts believe will heighten tensions between the two Koreas in the runup to US President Barack Obama's visit to the region, scheduled for mid-November.

This is not the sort of incident that we want to see before our President heads to the region, nor would this be a good development anyways.

230 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:26:57am

re: #213 ggt

The Marine Birthday is threadworthy, doncha think?

ALWAYS!

231 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:27:30am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's Sesame Street's Birthday too!

232 ggt  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:27:54am

Life is interfering with my LGF time again.

Have a great day all!

233 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:28:06am

re: #188 albusteve

As President Obama belatedly appears at Fort Hood today, will he dare to speak the word "terror?"He won't use the word "Islamist." If he mentions Islam at all, it'll be to sing its praises yet again.

[Link: www.nypostonline.com...]

So now we are being asked to critique a speech the POTUS has not yet given ? BTW, it's a memorial service for soldiers killed and injured, not a venue for a anti terror speech IMHO.

234 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:29:46am

Good morning, lizards. Did anything come of the business card last night? On my drive to work I was wondering if the source of the photo might even be suspicious. But then I Googled the photographer's name, Jack Plunkett. Just a normal AP photographer it would appear.

235 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:29:54am

re: #10 karmic_inquisitor

Just to make sure that the morning shift sees it ...

Lovebirds sighted on dreary Scottish moors.

(Jimmah = Heathcliff and Iceweasel = Catherine)



If they were in Mad Love do we have to review the last few months of
karma?

236 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:31:41am

re: #233 avanti

So now we are being asked to critique a speech the POTUS has not yet given ? BTW, it's a memorial service for soldiers killed and injured, not a venue for a anti terror speech IMHO.

I agree, the speech should deal with the memorial. But guess what Avanti, this may come as a surprise to you, but the NY Post has this little thing called freedom of speech, so guess what, yes, they can ask to critique anything they want, before, after or never.

237 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:32:20am

Car bomb in Pakistan marketplace kills 34

A car bomb blast tore through a crowded market in a city near Peshawar today and killed 34 people, the third terrorist attack to strike the area in three days.

The blast occurred in Charsadda, about 25 miles north of Peshawar. More than 50 people were injured in the suspected suicide bombing, said Charsadda police official Riaz Khan.

238 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:33:48am

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

Was your It's a Wonderful Life last night? How'd it go?

239 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:34:52am

Gunman in Custody After Reportedly Taking Principal Hostage at N.Y. School

A gunman is in custody Tuesday after reportedly taking the principal hostage at an upstate New York high school, a town official told Fox News.

The students at Stissing Mountain High School in Pine Plains, N.Y., are said to be safe, after police placed the campus on lockdown, according to Pine Plains Town Supervisor Gregg Pulver.

During the standoff, Pulver told a cable network that police were talking to the gunman, who is an adult — not a student — and said the situation was contained to one room.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:35:10am

re: #238 bosforus

Thought was tech dress...

241 jaunte  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:35:18am

Happy Birthday, Marines. Here's to many more.
[Link: www.usmcpress.com...]

242 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:36:19am

re: #193 RogueOne

Some possibilities for the forking option:
Reading the Hamas Charter aloud would take a couple minutes or so.
Maybe offer some quotes from Haj Amin al Husseini, along with reminders of whose side he was on.
[Link: www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com...]

243 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:37:05am

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thought was tech dress...

Huh?

244 Stuart Leviton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:37:51am

Good morning all.

The leader of Al-Qaida in the Arabian Penninsula (sic) warned Tuesday that Shi'ite Muslims, particularly Iran, posed more danger to the world than either Jews or Christians.

- source: Haaretz

///Take it with a grain of strychnine as Al Qaida would prefer.

245 Spider Mensch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:37:52am

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

I agree, the speech should deal with the memorial. But guess what Avanti, this may come as a surprise to you, but the NY Post has this little thing called freedom of speech, so guess what, yes, they can ask to critique anything they want, before, after or never.

and lets not forget who owns the NY post...rupert murdoch!! dadada DUM!!! who also owns what else??? fox news!!! AHHH!!! oblama's nemisis, antagonist, thorn in his side and el guapo in life!!

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:37:52am

re: #243 bosforus

Huh?

I thought they had technical dress rehearsal last night.

Lights/actors/costumes/sound/etc...

247 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:38:52am

Conservative Christian Group Calls For Ban On Muslims In Military

In the wake of the Ft. Hood shooting last week and rampant speculation surrounding alleged shooter Nidal Malik Hasan's motives, the American Family Association has called for a ban on Muslims in the military. Mother Jones reports that the conservative Christian group has posted an article on its website by the group's Director of Issues Analysis, Bryan Fischer, who argues that the tragedy at Ft. Hood is the sign to start the ban. "This is not Islamophobia, it is Islamo-realism," Fischer says.

248 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:39:25am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, that's right. Now we know what my short-term memory's worth.

249 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:39:49am

Pat Robertson adopts Geert's rhetoric...
Pat Robertson on Ft. Hood: Islam is ‘not a religion’ and Muslims should be treated like ‘some fascist group.’

So you are dealing with not a religion. You’re dealing with a political system. And I think we should treat it as such and treat its adherences as such as we would members of the Communist Party or members of some fascist group.

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:40:30am

re: #247 Sharmuta

Conservative Christian Group Calls For Ban On Muslims In Military

Well, that wouldn't make us look like crusaders.
/

251 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:40:34am

re: #238 bosforus

Was your It's a Wonderful Life last night? How'd it go?

First tech, first dress, went fine. We have two more rehearsals to tweak this, that... and then we have a preview audience on Thursday, opens on Friday. We run three performances a week until December and then we up it to four performances a week until Dec. 20th when we close. And we have a few extra performances, sold out for some corporate holiday events.

For those in the Denver area for the holidays... (shameless self-promotion)...

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

252 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:41:09am

re: #219 ggt

Ironically, my sister is married to a saudi and has lived in SA for almost 30 years. Her and my nieces and nephews moved back to cincy a couple years ago to go to college.

253 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:42:18am

re: #245 Spider Mensch

and lets not forget who owns the NY post...rupert murdoch!! dadada DUM!!! who also owns what else??? fox news!!! AHHH!!! oblama's nemisis, antagonist, thorn in his side and el guapo in life!!

Damn Brits, still causing problems after all these years...
//

254 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:44:05am

re: #247 Sharmuta

re: #249 Killgore Trout

The wingularity has been breached!

The beginning of the avalanche of overblown has started...sigh.

255 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:44:47am

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Damn Brits, still causing problems after all these years...
//

Exactly - if it weren't for British Imperialism, Obama's Kenyan grandfather would not have been hassled by colonial authorities, and so Obama's Kenyan father might not have ended up a radical leftist, and would not, in consequence, inspire the son whom he more or less abandoned to take up leftish attitudes in some desperate attempt to win the approval of the father he never knew. And had the Limeys not packed Australia with convicts and such-like, the continent might never have spawned the pure EEEVILL that is Rupert Murdoch.

Stupid Brits!
//

256 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:45:16am

re: #252 RogueOne

Ironically, my sister is married to a saudi and has lived in SA for almost 30 years. Her and my nieces and nephews moved back to cincy a couple years ago to go to college.

That likely makes the issue much harder to deal with.

257 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:45:50am

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

I agree, the speech should deal with the memorial. But guess what Avanti, this may come as a surprise to you, but the NY Post has this little thing called freedom of speech, so guess what, yes, they can ask to critique anything they want, before, after or never.

Sure, they could speculate all they want on the speech, just saying that I'll wait to hear it first before commenting and disagree with what they want to hear in a memorial speech.
My free speech rights would allow me to say that I think you'll announce tomorrow that you'll be joining Code Pink, but I'd bet others would wait to hear it from you. :)

258 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:45:52am

The Mudville Gazette exposes media bias at CNN.

Pvt Joseph Foster is yet another soldier reporting that Nidal Hasan shouted "Allah Akbar" when he began firing last week - but Foster made the mistake of saying it on CNN:

Roberts: So the first moments of Thursday afternoon, can you tell our viewers, you know, where you were, what happened, how it all unfolded?

Foster: I was sitting in what they call station 13, it's where we get, basically, our final outs of our RSP (ph) system and I was sitting in about the second row back when the assailant stood up, screamed and yelled Allah Akbar (ph) in Arabic and he opened fire.

Foster was not only there, not only sitting in the second row - he was one of those wounded in the attack. But two minutes later in the interview, Foster would try to downplay Roberts' implication that he was a hero:

ROBERTS: So you were acting like a soldier. You were acting heroically. We should point out that you're with the 20th Engineer Battalion and despite your best efforts and I guess the efforts of your comrades, as well, four members of the battalion were killed, 10 others were injured. And you were shot in the hip and you didn't realize it at the time?

Foster: I had realized it at first, but with that much adrenaline, you tend to forget things.

Meaning very specifically that an adrenaline rush can help you overcome pain - or in Foster's case forget you've been shot. That's a common combat story, but true of any violent situation. But here's how CNN is reporting their own interview now:

Among the wounded in the shooting was Pvt. Joseph Foster, 21, who was hit in the hip as he sat at the base's military processing center, preparing paperwork for his January deployment to Afghanistan.

He said he "was sitting in about the second row back when the assailant stood up and yelled 'Allahu akbar' in Arabic and he opened fire," Foster said Monday on CNN's "American Morning."

Foster, 21, said he wasn't clear about whether the gunman said those exact words, noting that "with that much adrenaline, you tend to forget things."

And hero or not, that's what you get for telling CNN something they don't want to hear.

259 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:46:16am

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Sounds like fun, I hope it goes well!
Sidenote: BYU's special collections library shows a free movie in a small auditorium once a month. Three Christmases ago they showed It's a Wonderful Life using the personal reel of Jimmy Stewart that he donated to the library. It was a good time.

260 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:46:21am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, John Allen Muhammad! I hope it stings a little. I kind of wish you were visiting "Ole Sparky"...

I'd rather he got the noose. A public hanging seems a fitting end to a terrorist.

261 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:48:05am

hm...There was a news item on the front page of the National Post today, about "Britain tracking its citizens." Good grief. In addition to the 4.2 million closed circuit television cameras (that's one for every 14 people), "all telecom companies and Internet service providers" will be required to keep records of every person's communications for one year -- that includes every phone call, text message, email and website visited...(the article, continued on another page, goes on to note how this legislation has been put into effect -- they're going after people who illegally attempt to prune protected trees, people who allow their dogs to bark too loudly, and, of course, (the horror!) people who don't recycle...) There's a side note which reads: "England is also planning to install 24-hour closed-circuit television cameras in the homes of 20,000 problem families. They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals." Now, that's socialism! lol..

262 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:48:53am

re: #256 abolitionist

A little. My niece and nephew have a very good outlook on life and religion. They've had the opportunity to live in what's basically a theocratic police state and see how badly is sucks compared to here. They may not like everything that goes on in our society, but they know life could be much worse.

263 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:49:06am

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

The Mudville Gazette exposes media bias at CNN.

Agreed. The MSM does not like the idea that this was an Islamist killing spree. As for me, I think the evidence is clear: Nidal Hasan was not ordered to kill by Al Qaeda, but he did so in deliberate furtherance of their agenda.

264 Stuart Leviton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:49:40am

re: #193 RogueOneWhat of this for an educational idea. Write about Islam -- meaning submit as in "submit to the truth" -- expanded through conquest. In that way your daughter can learn something about history (such as the battle of Tours) without condemning America. The article could even include the Sunni-Shiite split and its history.

Or you could go the opposite direction and write that while it seems that Islam hates America, millions of Moslems have chosen America to be her home and many tens of millions of Moslems yearn for our teeming shores. You could then write about the love of America.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:50:42am

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Shameless, hell! Promote Baby!

266 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:51:59am

re: #229 Sharmuta

The US is preparing to send a rep to conduct direct talks with Pyongang. This is yet another test for the Administration to see what kind of resolve we have and whether we're going to side with our allies or pursue an agenda separate. The North wants people to think that it was the South that was the aggressor, and that they sent the South packing; the South notes that they came under fire from the North, returned fire, and the North's ship was set ablaze.

267 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:52:34am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Pat Robertson adopts Geert's rhetoric...
Pat Robertson on Ft. Hood: Islam is ‘not a religion’ and Muslims should be treated like ‘some fascist group.’

Careful, the cat is in the cradle.

268 Spider Mensch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:52:54am

re: #259 bosforus

Sounds like fun, I hope it goes well!
Sidenote: BYU's special collections library shows a free movie in a small auditorium once a month. Three Christmases ago they showed It's a Wonderful Life using the personal reel of Jimmy Stewart that he donated to the library. It was a good time.

Jimmy Stewarts personal reel ? wow! that must be the cutting room floor version..the one where George Bailey beats up old man Potter, and then runs away with Violet Bicks (hubbe hubba!!) :)))

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:54:00am

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

I sound all brave... but I couldn't watch a public execution of Osama Bin Laden himself.

I am just glad that there are others willing to get their hands dirty to do what I will not do, but believe should be done.

270 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:54:09am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. The MSM does not like the idea that this was an Islamist killing spree. As for me, I think the evidence is clear: Nidal Hasan was not ordered to kill by Al Qaeda, but he did so in deliberate furtherance of their agenda.

I want to know whats in the email exchanges between Anwar al-Awlaki and Nidal Hasan.

271 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:54:15am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

CNN is reporting that there will be an internal review at the FBI (this is with respect to the monitored communications -- over 20 -- between Hasan and that radical overseas...the FBI maintains that the communications about suicide bombers were "innocent.")

272 Expand Your Ground  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:54:27am

There are reasons that Moslems can hate America, but no reason that they necessarily must, especially if they live here.

But the reaction of the religious conservartives that Islam=Islamism and Moslems should be banned from the military is about what I expected to come out of the debate, and perhaps one of the things the shooter had in mind when he went on his spree.

273 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:54:29am

re: #264 Stuart Leviton

The whole vision of islam being taught in that class is so far off from reality it just blows my mind. They wanted her to compare/contrast islamic rule/theology from the dark ages to the current views of Islam and how their visions of foreigners and other religions have changed and basically why it's our fault. Their view is that under islamic rule, the christians and jews had it really good and how it was Islam that ended the european dark ages, neither of which is even close to reality.

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:54:41am

re: #267 Spare O'Lake

Careful, the cat is in the cradle.

The raven flies on Tuesday.
The raven flies on Tuesday.

275 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:55:09am

re: #259 bosforus

Sounds like fun, I hope it goes well!
Sidenote: BYU's special collections library shows a free movie in a small auditorium once a month. Three Christmases ago they showed It's a Wonderful Life using the personal reel of Jimmy Stewart that he donated to the library. It was a good time.

Neat. This stage script is almost word for word the same as the movie. The playwright was able to develop the script without having to deal with royalties because "It's a Wonderful Life" went into public domain for a while, copyright lapsed in 1974. A court enabled ownership of the movie to be held by Republic Films as a derivative work, so only Republic can licensed the film, but anyone can adapt the films dialog and plot to another source.

276 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:55:22am

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

The media and the narrative:

To kill your fellow Americans—as many as possible, unarmed and in the most helpless of circumstances, while shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is great), requires, of course, only murderous hatred—the sort of mindset that regularly eludes the Dr. Phils of our world as the motive for mass murder of this kind.

As the meditations on Maj. Hasan's motives rolled on, "fear of deployment" has served as a major theme—one announced as fact in the headline for the New York Times's front-page story: "Told of War Horror, Gunman Feared Deployment." The authority for this intelligence? The perpetrator's cousin. No story could have better suited that newspaper's ongoing preoccupation with the theme of madness in our fighting men, and the deadly horrors of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, than this story of a victim of war pressures gone berserk. The one fly in the ointment—Maj. Hasan had of course seen no war, and no combat.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:55:36am

re: #271 J.S.

CNN is reporting that there will be an internal review at the FBI (this is with respect to the monitored communications -- over 20 -- between Hasan and that radical overseas...the FBI maintains that the communications about suicide bombers were "innocent.")

What is innocent about suicide bombings?

278 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:56:39am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

I want to know whats in the email exchanges between Anwar al-Awlaki and Nidal Hasan.

I read that he was asking for information relating to his counseling of soldiers and that's why the it did not raise a flag.

279 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:56:50am

re: #268 Spider Mensch

Isn't that something close to the SNL version?
RIP the immortal Phil Hartman

280 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:57:11am

re: #261 J.S.

hm...There was a news item on the front page of the National Post today, about "Britain tracking its citizens." Good grief. In addition to the 4.2 million closed circuit television cameras (that's one for every 14 people), "all telecom companies and Internet service providers" will be required to keep records of every person's communications for one year -- that includes every phone call, text message, email and website visited...(the article, continued on another page, goes on to note how this legislation has been put into effect -- they're going after people who illegally attempt to prune protected trees, people who allow their dogs to bark too loudly, and, of course, (the horror!) people who don't recycle...) There's a side note which reads: "England is also planning to install 24-hour closed-circuit television cameras in the homes of 20,000 problem families. They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals." Now, that's socialism! lol..

Paging Mr. Blair, paging Mr. Eric Blair...

(2 updings to the first person who correctly IDs the reference)

281 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:57:29am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

I want to know whats in the email exchanges between Anwar al-Awlaki and Nidal Hasan.

re: #278 avanti

I read that he was asking for information relating to his counseling of soldiers and that's why the it did not raise a flag.

isn't that a bit like asking Admiral Tojo for information to assist in counseling veterans of the Bataan Death march?

282 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:57:56am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

when you're a psychiatrist and doin' it "research purposes" (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)..(?)

283 Spider Mensch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:58:19am

re: #279 bosforus

Isn't that something close to the SNL version?
RIP the immortal Phil Hartman


must been locked away in my sub concious...

284 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:58:30am

re: #261 J.S.

Big Brother is Watching.

285 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:58:38am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Paging Mr. Blair, paging Mr. Eric Blair...

(2 updings to the first person who correctly IDs the reference)

orwell's given name.

286 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:59:00am

re: #278 avanti

I read that he was asking for information relating to his counseling of soldiers and that's why the it did not raise a flag.

Sure. Probably completely innocent emails seeking wisdom about peace & tranquility.

/

287 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:59:09am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Orwell...1984...yeah...

288 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:59:45am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan
No indication of an imminent attack. That's the line they're going to use. Never mind that he was communicating with an Islamic extremist who was a spiritual advisers to 9/11 hijackers.

Who says that he had to be directed to attack by al Qaeda or Awlaki. Instead, we've got a lone guy who sees inspiration in jihad with these extremists.

289 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:00:13am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

What is innocent about suicide bombings?

A large chunk of LGF content is innocent communication about suicide bombing.

290 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:00:21am

re: #283 Spider Mensch

must been locked away in my sub concious...

George Bailey: Why, you're nothin' but a fraud! You're not even cripple!

291 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:00:46am

re: #268 Spider Mensch

Jimmy Stewarts personal reel ? wow! that must be the cutting room floor version..the one where George Bailey beats up old man Potter, and then runs away with Violet Bicks (hubbe hubba!!) :)))

If you go to our website, and look at the cast picture (I'm in the cast, where is my picture?), the actress second from the left plays Violet (and a whole bunch of other female parts). Her on stage sexy antics with the male lead, as they are trying to perform the story, will stop the show.

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

The basic concept is as these "radio actors" are performing the story, they are also experiencing some of the things that are in the story, such as the two females "radio actors" are in love with the male lead "radio actor," the actor that plays Potter is a bit of a snot and tries to screw up the other actors parts and so in.

Art reflects Art reflects life.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:01:18am

J.R. Salzman, an Iraq war veteran who lost an arm in combat has a blog and give us a lesson on PTSD.

I’m more than a little angry right now. Yes, I’m irate that some sh-tbag Major (“sh-tbag” is often used as a technical term in the Army) opened fire on a group of his fellow Soldiers killing 12 and wounding 30. But that’s not even what is under my skin right now. What is bothering me is the general reaction of our media and those stupid enough to think this was not an act of terrorism, but was caused by supposed PTSD caused at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

You want to know what PTSD is like? I'll tell you. You have nightmares that go on for weeks. Mine would always be the same. Wherever the window was in the room in which I was sleeping I would see a bright white flash. I would wake up screaming to my wife “Get up! Get the f-ck up! An IED just went off!” Sometimes I would just wake up screaming in agony as I relived the moment where my right arm was ripped from my body by an Iranian shape charge. (I may not know what childbirth feels like, but I know what it's like to go an hour with my arm ripped off without painkillers (I'm allergic to morphine).) PTSD makes you paranoid as hell. “Why is that person staring at me? Are they a threat? Where is the nearest exit? Why are these people so close to me? Why is no one pulling security? What was that noise? Where is the nearest cover? I need to get out of here.” You lie wide awake in bed at night wondering if it's safe to go to sleep or if you should get up and start pulling security. When I got home from Walter Reed and started college (a week later, stupid idea) I would often stay up for days at a time without sleeping. Eventually my body would completely shut down from exhaustion and I would sleep for 12 hours or more only to complete the cycle all over again.

Read the whole thing.

293 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:01:35am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

A large chunk of LGF content is innocent communication about suicide bombing.

Ahh, but the number of posters here advocating the practice is, like the number of us who have addressed such attackers, rather small. The chap in Yemen, however, thought these to be a great thing, and preached at a mosque frequented by two known suicide attackers.

294 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:01:46am

re: #266 lawhawk

The US is preparing to send a rep to conduct direct talks with Pyongang. This is yet another test for the Administration to see what kind of resolve we have and whether we're going to side with our allies or pursue an agenda separate. The North wants people to think that it was the South that was the aggressor, and that they sent the South packing; the South notes that they came under fire from the North, returned fire, and the North's ship was set ablaze.

Thanks, lawhawk.

295 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:01:47am

re: #279 bosforus

If I had access to video sites from work, I would have posted that. GMTA.

296 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:03:16am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

Sure. Probably completely innocent emails seeking wisdom about peace & tranquility.

/

Here's the story on the e-mails intercepted:

"Despite the contact between the two men, the FBI did not probe Hasan further because “the content of those communications was consistent with research being conducted by Major Hasan in his position as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Medical Center,” in Washington, D.C., where he counseled soldiers returning home from combat or heading overseas, the FBI Web site said.

The officials said that the tenor of the e-mails was benign and was consistent with a research project on post-traumatic stress disorders that was sanctioned by the medical center. Because the e-mails contained nothing derogatory, the task force concluded that Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning."

link...

297 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:04:08am

re: #293 Guanxi88

Ahh, but the number of posters here advocating the practice is, like the number of us who have addressed such attackers, rather small. The chap in Yemen, however, thought these to be a great thing, and preached at a mosque frequented by two known suicide attackers.

Yes, but we don't have the content of the intercepts. What the FBI caught might be fluff.

298 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:04:15am

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

J.R. Salzman, an Iraq war veteran who lost an arm in combat has a blog and give us a lesson on PTSD.

Read the whole thing.

Actually- I believe that gentleman is a Lizard.

299 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:05:08am

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

by saying that someone like Hasan was suffering from PTSD; it trivializes PTSD.

300 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:05:51am

Overnight birds? How about Counting Crows?

301 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:07:28am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Paging Mr. Blair, paging Mr. Eric Blair...

(2 updings to the first person who correctly IDs the reference)

TIA.

302 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:07:28am

re: #296 avanti

Here's the story on the e-mails intercepted:

"Despite the contact between the two men, the FBI did not probe Hasan further because “the content of those communications was consistent with research being conducted by Major Hasan in his position as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Medical Center,” in Washington, D.C., where he counseled soldiers returning home from combat or heading overseas, the FBI Web site said.

The officials said that the tenor of the e-mails was benign and was consistent with a research project on post-traumatic stress disorders that was sanctioned by the medical center. Because the e-mails contained nothing derogatory, the task force concluded that Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning."

link...

Who says he was planning anything with the other half of the correspondence? Look, it is just more than a little odd that the fellow with whom he was corresponding should have decided, following his great success here in the States, to pack up and go to Yemen, the family homeland of UBL, whom the imam in question has said he loves more than he loves himself. You can look him up on Wiki for pete's sake:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

and from the notes, you can read about him from before the Ft. Hood deal.

303 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:08:24am

re: #297 Decatur Deb

Yes, but we don't have the content of the intercepts. What the FBI caught might be fluff.

If they don't know who it is he's speaking with, then that's a major failure of intel right there. Even the Brits know the guy's poison.

304 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:08:32am

Investigators tried to interview Hasan on Sunday at the military hospital where he is being held, but he refused to answer and requested a lawyer, the officials said.

Hasan's new civilian and military attorneys met him for about half an hour at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, said retired Col. John P. Galligan, who was hired by Hasan's family. Galligan said Hasan asked for an attorney even though he is on sedatives and his condition is guarded.

"Given his medical condition, that's the smart move," Galligan told The Associated Press on Monday night. "Nobody from law enforcement will be questioning him."
Galligan said both he and Maj. Christopher E. Martin, Fort Hood's senior defense attorney, met Hasan. Galligan questioned whether Hasan can get a fair trial at Fort Hood, given Obama's visit to the base and public comments by the post commander, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone. Galligan also said he plans to raise the issue of Hasan's mental condition.
The most serious charge in military court is premeditated murder, which carries the death penalty.

The Army has not yet appointed a lead prosecutor in the case, said Fort Hood spokesman Tyler Broadway

305 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:09:30am

re: #303 Guanxi88

If they don't know who it is he's speaking with, then that's a major failure of intel right there. Even the Brits know the guy's poison.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Wouldn't even let him address a group by video feed.

306 Spider Mensch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:09:33am

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

If you go to our website, and look at the cast picture (I'm in the cast, where is my picture?), the actress second from the left plays Violet (and a whole bunch of other female parts). Her on stage sexy antics with the male lead, as they are trying to perform the story, will stop the show.

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

The basic concept is as these "radio actors" are performing the story, they are also experiencing some of the things that are in the story, such as the two females "radio actors" are in love with the male lead "radio actor," the actor that plays Potter is a bit of a snot and tries to screw up the other actors parts and so in.

Art reflects Art reflects life.


very cool, Walter. good luck!

307 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:11:13am

re: #305 Guanxi88

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Wouldn't even let him address a group by video feed.

It's from NEFA, but still worth a read:'

[Link: www.nefafoundation.org...]

308 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:11:17am

re: #296 avanti

Here's the story on the e-mails intercepted:

"Despite the contact between the two men, the FBI did not probe Hasan further because “the content of those communications was consistent with research being conducted by Major Hasan in his position as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Medical Center,” in Washington, D.C., where he counseled soldiers returning home from combat or heading overseas, the FBI Web site said.

The officials said that the tenor of the e-mails was benign and was consistent with a research project on post-traumatic stress disorders that was sanctioned by the medical center. Because the e-mails contained nothing derogatory, the task force concluded that Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning."

link...

Funny, of all the people he chose to do research with he chose a radical imam with links to terrorists. Pure coincidence I'm sure.

309 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:11:33am

re: #304 Mike DeGuzman

I hate that crap. Anyone who goes on a murderous rampage, in my eyes, obviously has a mental condition. That's why you lock 'em up or execute 'em! Cause they have a murderous mental condition!

310 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:11:54am

re: #303 Guanxi88

If they don't know who it is he's speaking with, then that's a major failure of intel right there. Even the Brits know the guy's poison.

I don't know what they look for, "who" might not be enough, especially if the effort is partially automated.

311 StillAMarine  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:12:25am

Just got in. Needed to wish the United States Marine Corps a very happy birthday, and send special thoughts go to all those Marines and armed forces personnel who are at the sharp end.

312 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:12:36am

re: #304 Mike DeGuzman

there was a slightly different spin on this (the CNN version was that Hasan had started yakking it up with investigators, then he got a lawyer, and the lawyer told Hasan to shut up...so now Hasan isn't talking...CNN also noted, that anything Hasan volunteered prior to getting his lawyer, is perfectly admissible in a courtroom, etc.)

313 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:13:41am

re: #312 J.S.

there was a slightly different spin on this (the CNN version was that Hasan had started yakking it up with investigators, then he got a lawyer, and the lawyer told Hasan to shut up...so now Hasan isn't talking...CNN also noted, that anything Hasan volunteered prior to getting his lawyer, is perfectly admissible in a courtroom, etc.)

Let's hope he likes to talk a lot.

314 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

I don't know what they look for, "who" might not be enough, especially if the effort is partially automated.

Any officer talking to anybody in Yemen, of all places, bears close scrutiny, especially with regard to the party of the second part.

315 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:15:10am

A mil-blogger addressing returning veterans, a couple of years ago.

What you need to know, first and last, is that so-called PTSD is not an illness. It is a normal condition for people who have been through what you have been through. The instinct to kill and war is native to humanity. It is very deeply rooted in me, as it is in you. We have rules and customs to restrain it, so that sometimes we may have peace. What you are experiencing is not an illness, but the awareness of what human nature is like deep down. It is the awareness of what life is like without the walls that protect civilization.

Those who have never been outside those walls don't know: they can't see. The walls form their horizon. You know what lays [sic] beyond them, and can't forget it. [...] There is a sense that combat changes people, but it really doesn't. It brings out parts of yourself that were always there, but that you hadn't encountered directly. Those parts are in everyone else as well. No one has clean hands. No one is different from you. That is important, so let me repeat it. Everyone around you is just like you. They don't know it, but they are. You are not sick; you are not broken. Everyone else is just the same.
[Link: www.blackfive.net...]

316 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:18:02am

re: #311 StillAMarine

Just got in. Needed to wish the United States Marine Corps a very happy birthday, and send special thoughts go to all those Marines and armed forces personnel who are at the sharp end.

I saw a great bumpersticker the other day:

Not as lean
Not as mean
But still a Marine

317 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:18:20am

re: #272 ralphieboy

There are reasons that Moslems can hate America, but no reason that they necessarily must, especially if they live here.

But the reaction of the religious conservartives that Islam=Islamism and Moslems should be banned from the military is about what I expected to come out of the debate, and perhaps one of the things the shooter had in mind when he went on his spree.

Yeah Ralphie, I'm sure the shooter was pissed cause Pat Robertson might try to kick him out of the Army.
//

318 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:18:59am

“. . .their success depends on your support. It is the responsibility of
the ummah to help them with men and money. Al-Shabab have
already started a program of enforcement of law that would bring
peace and security to the people. They are also applying hudud
and fighting against innovations that have been around for
centuries. We ask Allah to grant them success.”
- Al-Awlaki, on the need to support al-Shabab, December, 2008

Oh, and al-Awlaki was a lecturer at the same school where John Walker Lindh undertook his own religious studies. Oddly enough, in yemen.

319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:20:34am

"Let's hope Maj Nidal Malek Hasan has CNN on."
(tonight for John Allen Muhammad)-HaakonDahl... via facebook...

320 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:20:39am

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

Funny, of all the people he chose to do research with he chose a radical imam with links to terrorists. Pure coincidence I'm sure.

In hindsight it should have received more attention, but mere contact with a Imam, may not have set off any alarms if they were related to his work. I'm sure some heads will roll down lower in the food chain for acting not on the e-mails, even if they had nothing to do with the later murders.

321 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:22:11am

re: #320 avanti

In hindsight it should have received more attention, but mere contact with a Imam, may not have set off any alarms if they were related to his work. I'm sure some heads will roll down lower in the food chain for acting not on the e-mails, even if they had nothing to do with the later murders.

"...mere contact with a Imam, may not have set off any alarms if they were related to his work."

And if someone were to speak with, say Fred Phelps for guidance on how to counsel soldiers struggling with the proposed revocation of don't ask, don't tell, would that raise any flags, maybe?

322 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:24:23am

The wingnut blogoshpere's reaction to the Healthcare bill is more subdued than I anticipated. Most blogs are just kind of trundling on like nothing happened. Maybe they're just resigned to it but I suspect it's outrage fatigue. There's always something new to be outraged about so they're easily distracted.

323 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:25:20am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

They're busy with a psychiatrist...

324 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:25:21am

re: #320 avanti

In hindsight it should have received more attention, but mere contact with a Imam, may not have set off any alarms if they were related to his work. I'm sure some heads will roll down lower in the food chain for acting not on the e-mails, even if they had nothing to do with the later murders.

I don't think Anwar al-Awlaki would be considered just your average imam. He's a special kind of asshole. Anyone in contact with him should be under heavy surveillance. Someone fucked up.

325 vxbush  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:25:35am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

The wingnut blogoshpere's reaction to the Healthcare bill is more subdued than I anticipated. Most blogs are just kind of trundling on like nothing happened. Maybe they're just resigned to it but I suspect it's outrage fatigue. There's always something new to be outraged about so they're easily distracted.

It could also be frustration at the lack of progress in either stopping or changing the bill. That goes along with your idea of resignation, but perhaps they're taking a breather until the Senate gets started seriously on the bill.

326 ryannon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:27:13am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Paging Mr. Blair, paging Mr. Eric Blair...

(2 updings to the first person who correctly IDs the reference)


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

327 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:27:24am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

The wingnut blogoshpere's reaction to the Healthcare bill is more subdued than I anticipated. Most blogs are just kind of trundling on like nothing happened. Maybe they're just resigned to it but I suspect it's outrage fatigue. There's always something new to be outraged about so they're easily distracted.

"I read the dreck so you don't have to." --KT

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:29:06am

Anybody who lived in or around DC at the time of the DC Sniper?

My sister lives up there.

329 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:29:09am

re: #321 Guanxi88

"...mere contact with a Imam, may not have set off any alarms if they were related to his work."

And if someone were to speak with, say Fred Phelps for guidance on how to counsel soldiers struggling with the proposed revocation of don't ask, don't tell, would that raise any flags, maybe?

I'm not defending the intelligence guys, just saying in hindsight many clues are missed. If they are watching 1000's of e-mails, they may tend to just sort out the ones that hint at terror, and ignore ones that don't, even those sent to a bad actor.

330 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:29:11am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

The wingnut blogoshpere's reaction to the Healthcare bill is more subdued than I anticipated. Most blogs are just kind of trundling on like nothing happened. Maybe they're just resigned to it but I suspect it's outrage fatigue. There's always something new to be outraged about so they're easily distracted.

Well, part of it may be related to the fact that the passage of the bill by the House, plus about $2.00, will get you a cup of coffee at Starbuck's. On its own, it means very little, other than that we are one step closer to an irrevocable change in our health insurance and healthcare system.

331 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:30:51am

re: #329 avanti

I'm not defending the intelligence guys, just saying in hindsight many clues are missed. If they are watching 1000's of e-mails, they may tend to just sort out the ones that hint at terror, and ignore ones that don't, even those sent to a bad actor.

Question for you - do you suppose that it might just be the case that no one saw anything because no one wanted to see anything? Unless you mean to propose that corresponding with a known and dangerous islamist is not unusual behavior for an American muslim.

332 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:31:08am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody who lived in or around DC at the time of the DC Sniper?

My sister lives up there.

Me. Today is a great day for justice.

333 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:32:14am

re: #326 ryannon

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Eric Blair - his nom d'plume was George Orwell.

334 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:32:33am

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

Me. Today is a great day for justice.

They're giving him the needle, right? Better than he deserves.

335 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:32:55am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

The wingnut blogoshpere's reaction to the Healthcare bill is more subdued than I anticipated. Most blogs are just kind of trundling on like nothing happened. Maybe they're just resigned to it but I suspect it's outrage fatigue. There's always something new to be outraged about so they're easily distracted.

The health care bill is going to get passed in some form; the only question is how badly things are going to get once the true nature of the changes become implemented. I agree that there is fatigue in coverage, but that's to be expected given the months long process we've endured - and seen that each successive iteration has been as bad or worse than the prior version in terms of size and scope (and cost). There's also no real new news to latch on to.

It's in the Senate where this fight will continue, and then a conference report to reconcile the different versions. If Reid can't count, the proposals will go nowhere.

336 Expand Your Ground  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:33:17am

re: #317 rwdflynavy

Yeah Ralphie, I'm sure the shooter was pissed cause Pat Robertson might try to kick him out of the Army.
//

No, but that's the sort of reactionary, undifferentiated backlash he might've wanted to promote in order to further escalate the situation.

337 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:33:25am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Paging Mr. Blair, paging Mr. Eric Blair...

(2 updings to the first person who correctly IDs the reference)

Am I too late to say Pee Wee's Big Adventure?

338 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:34:50am

re: #334 Guanxi88

They're giving him the needle, right? Better than he deserves.

I think so. I believe in Virginia the criminal gets to choose between the needle & the electric chair.

339 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:35:19am

re: #331 Guanxi88

Question for you - do you suppose that it might just be the case that no one saw anything because no one wanted to see anything? Unless you mean to propose that corresponding with a known and dangerous islamist is not unusual behavior for an American muslim.

I don't look for malfeasance when a simple screwup will explain.

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:36:02am

re: #338 NJDhockeyfan

I think so. I believe in Virginia the criminal gets to choose between the needle & the electric chair.

HOT SHOT!

341 vxbush  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:37:18am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Paging Mr. Blair, paging Mr. Eric Blair...

(2 updings to the first person who correctly IDs the reference)

Completely unrelated story, but your post reminds me of something:

At a long-term care facility for those with disabilities that I visited once, everyone seemed to be enjoying lunch just fine, until the loudspeaker came out with, " Paging Dr. Green, Would Dr. Green please report to room XXX." Then about ten people rushed out of the room as fast as you please.

Turns out, that announcement was code for an unruly patient who was ready to hurt himself or someone else. Very freaky to see the first time.

342 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:38:47am

re: #339 Decatur Deb

I don't look for malfeasance when a simple screwup will explain.

That is a screw-up. Would you be willing to open a can of worms by suggesting that maybe this guy he's writing to in yemen is radioactive? Nope, better just to look the other way, because what are the odds?

343 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:39:33am

Oops. I'm a little slow this am, and responded to wrong post.

344 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:39:36am

Who is the Imam Consulted by the Ft. Hood Assassin?

A Look at the Terrorist Ties of Anwar al-Aulaqi and the Radicalization Process

345 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:40:08am

re: #341 vxbush

I might pretend to be Dr. Green to get into Room XXX myself.

346 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:40:10am

re: #333 abolitionist

Eric Blair - his nom d'plume was George Orwell.

Thanks to all who gave the correct answer. Guanxi88 was first and got the second upding.

re: #337 bosforus

Am I too late to say Pee Wee's Big Adventure?

SMACK!

347 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:41:27am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

You said two dings, not one smack!

348 vxbush  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:41:45am

re: #345 bosforus

I might pretend to be Dr. Green to get into Room XXX myself.

Sorry; just couldn't come up with a reasonable room number. Blame my headache.

349 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:41:51am

re: #338 NJDhockeyfan

The option was given, and if the convict doesn't choose, it will default to lethal injection. That's the case here; Muhammad made no choice so the state will execute him by lethal injection.

350 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:42:08am

re: #342 Guanxi88

That is a screw-up. Would you be willing to open a can of worms by suggesting that maybe this guy he's writing to in yemen is radioactive? Nope, better just to look the other way, because what are the odds?

Screw-up seems a given now, but I haven't walked a mile in the FBI's
headset. (My buds from the '60s would be so amused to hear me defend
The Man.)

351 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:42:52am

re: #348 vxbush

Sorry; just couldn't come up with a reasonable room number. Blame my headache.

I knew what you were saying. But I did honestly think that was the humor of your story on first read through. :)

352 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:43:38am

re: #347 bosforus

You said two dings, not one smack!

You gave the smartass answer, and the smartass gets smacked.

353 vxbush  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:44:14am

re: #351 bosforus

I knew what you were saying. But I did honestly think that was the humor of your story on first read through. :)

Nah. I'm not that funny.

354 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:44:17am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Depending on the slant in various reports I've read, it appears that either the Army or the FBI screwed up; either the FBI didn't send along warnings or the Army didn't act upon the information.

There's plenty of blame to go around and everyone is now in CYA mode, and each of the involved parties wants to get their version aired so as to provide political cover as well.

It's the DC 2-step, the most favorite dance in the Beltway.

355 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:47:23am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Screw-up seems a given now, but I haven't walked a mile in the FBI's
headset. (My buds from the '60s would be so amused to hear me defend
The Man.)

Probably not the Feebs, if he's corresponding with yemen. Definitely not them.

356 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:47:33am

re: #354 lawhawk

Depending on the slant in various reports I've read, it appears that either the Army or the FBI screwed up; either the (snip)

Agreed. Surveillance isn't perfect, and in the big picture it shouldn't be.

357 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:47:41am

Hasan on Islam

Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the Army psychiatrist believed to have killed 13 people at Fort Hood, was supposed to discuss a medical topic during gave a presentation to senior Army doctors in June 2007. Instead, he lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting wars in Muslim countries.

[slideshow]

358 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:48:06am

Hot airheads just can't control themselves when it comes to Michelle Obama...

Dragging her down?
Wookies dont float anyway.

hanoverfist on November 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM


...


Klingon honor has been defiled! Only a blood appeasement can satiate this disgrace! Noble Kah’less as my witness, none of these dogs shall live to fight another day!

Orange Doorhinge on November 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM


...
AP steps in...

hanoverfist on November 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Orange Doorhinge on November 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Banned. Ed warned you before.

Allahpundit on November 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

359 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:48:53am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody who lived in or around DC at the time of the DC Sniper?

My sister lives up there.

Yes, in Maryland, just north of DC. Still do.

360 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:49:03am

re: #355 Guanxi88

Probably not the Feebs, if he's corresponding with yemen. Definitely not them.

Hell, it could be the Belgians subcontracting for the Dutch under a
Nigerian cut-out.

361 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:49:50am

re: #358 Killgore Trout

I humbly accept the gratitude of Ed and AP for drawing their attention to the racist slurs on their blog.
/

362 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:50:13am

The blogads are getting annoying. My browser just crashed twice trying to wait for them to download and get into the page.

363 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:50:19am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

You gave the smartass answer, and the smartass gets smacked.

Maybe Charles could add a "smack Karma" feature for just such occasions.

364 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:50:29am

re: #334 Guanxi88

They're giving him the needle, right? Better than he deserves.

Too bad his sidekick was a juvenile at the time of arrest.That's all I'm gonna say about that.

365 vxbush  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:50:50am

re: #363 bosforus

Maybe Charles could add a "smack Karma" feature for just such occasions.

That, or Mandy's clue by four.

366 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:51:33am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Hasan on Islam

[slideshow]

See slide 11:

Fatwas from US clerics permitting muslim service in the US military possibly made under duress.

"non US scholars issued fatwa clearly saying no."

There's duress on US muslim clerics? Who knew?

367 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:51:41am

re: #320 avanti

In hindsight it should have received more attention, but mere contact with a Imam, may not have set off any alarms if they were related to his work. I'm sure some heads will roll down lower in the food chain for acting not on the e-mails, even if they had nothing to do with the later murders.

This is a problem with ANY Muslim. But, this was/is a problem with THIS Muslim.

There is nothing wrong with informing oneself of the possibilities that exist when you are dealing with ANY Muslim when they show the signs that Hasan showed.

It's the same with anyone. If you start acting suspicious, hanging around, oh let's say, a ATM machine, day after day, or if you keep meeting shady characters in alleys in neighborhoods known for drug dealing, you may (should?) attract the attention of law enforcement officials.

Society knows what to watch out for when it comes to criminals, we know the signs of addiction, bigotry, racism, and we need to know what to watch out for when it comes to terror.

This is not a disgruntled worker situation, this is a disgruntled ("such a nice soft word isn't it?") Muslim, who's religion conflicted with his job.

I don't this man was part of a "cell" or any sort of band of radical Muslims (although his communications with the radical Iman in Yemem may shake out to be interesting). But I don't have to fellowship with other Christians to follow the precepts of Christianity, do I? I could be a single Christian in a non-Christian situation, in a non-Christian country and my religion, my holy texts, my upbringing and my mental state informs me of what I should do as a Christian.

The same thing is possible with Hasan (and evidence is starting to prove this). And this wasn't just a current revelation that just came to Hasan. The authorities are uncovering a history of his public radical Muslim rhetoric, and many of his fellow coworkers have been aware of this for a number of years.

This is not Sudden Something Anything Syndrome.

He was a lone terrorist, informed by the inculcation of the Koran, his religious upbringing, a radical Iman and the support of every other radical Muslim the world over. And on Thursday Nov. 5th, 2009 he decided to reveal his hatred for the system that gave him so many freedoms, even the freedom to hate.

Nurture, it works every time.

368 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:51:56am

re: #365 vxbush

That, or Mandy's clue by four.

Or how many times you've pissed up a rope.

369 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:52:30am

re: #367 Walter L. Newton

For sentence correction "This isn't a problem with ANY Muslim. But, this was/is a problem with THIS Muslim."

ISN'T

370 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:53:16am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

The UCMJ sets forth the procedures for a court martial. It sets the conditions of who may call for a general or special court martial (each of which have several special rules applicable to who may sit), and the procedures utilized (standards of proof, evidence, etc.). As to who may sit on the court martial:

825. ART, 25. WHO MAY SERVE ON COURTS-MARTIAL
(a) Any commissioned officer on active duty is eligible to serve on all courts-martial for the trial of any person who may lawfully be brought before such courts for trial.
(b) Any warrant officer on active duty is eligible to serve on general and special courts-martial for the trial of any person, other than a commissioned officer, who may lawfully be brought before such courts for trial.
*(c)(1) Any enlisted member of an armed force on active duty who is not a member of the same unit as the accused is eligible to serve on general and special courts-martial for the trial of any enlisted member of an armed force who may lawfully be brought before such courts for trial, but he shall serve as a member of a court only if, before the conclusion of a session called by the military judge under section 839(a) of this title (article 39(a)) prior to trial or, in the absence of such a session, before the court is assembled for the trial of the accused, the accused personally has requested orally on the record or in writing that enlisted members serve on it. After such a request, the accused may not be tried by a general or special courts-martial the membership of which does not include enlisted members in a number comprising at least one-third of the total membership of the court, unless eligible enlisted members cannot be obtained on account of physical conditions or military exigencies. If such members cannot be obtained, the court may be assembled and the trial held without them, but the convening authority shall make a detailed written statement, to be appended to the record, stating why they could not be obtained.
(2) In this article, "unit" means any regularly organized body as defined by the Secretary concerned, but in no case may it be a body larger than a company, squadron, ship's crew, or body corresponding to one of them.
(d) (1) When it can be avoided, no member of an armed force may be tried by a court-martial any member of which is junior to him in rank or grade.
371 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:54:11am

re: #358 Killgore Trout

At least AP banned 'em. Better late than not at all. It's something they should have been doing long before now.

372 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:55:03am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Hasan on Islam

[slide show]

I'm guessing this is the powerpoint™ slide show that Hasan presented to his colleagues at Walter Reed.

373 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:55:24am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody who lived in or around DC at the time of the DC Sniper?

My sister lives up there.

I lived here in northern Virginia since 1998. Believe me it was a scary experience! I was so afraid to pump gas thinking the cross hair is aimed at my head by the sniper. I made it a habit to pump gas on a military installation, i.e., Ft Belvoir, Quantico, Bolling AFB, Andrews AFB, etc. It so ironic, that the DC sniper will be executed on the birthday anniversary of the United States Marine Corps. Marines are the best snipers in our Armed Forces.

374 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:56:52am

re: #371 lawhawk
Agreed. There are always a few creeps out there on the internet. The racist comments themselves weren't really my core objection. It was that previously they were unchallenged and even applauded. It's nice to see them at least making an attempt to clean up over there.

375 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:57:26am

*getting another coffee*

376 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:57:58am

re: #373 Mike DeGuzman

He isn't being let loose in a field somewhere is he? Let him know it feels.
-sorry, seen too many The Most Dangerous Game-esque movies

377 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:58:14am

re: #376 bosforus

He isn't being let loose in a field somewhere is he? Let him know how it feels.
-sorry, seen too many The Most Dangerous Game-esque movies

PIMF

378 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:00:52am

re: #373 Mike DeGuzman

I was never too worried about getting shot when it was happening. I figured the odds were with me. I worked in Columbia (between DC and Baltimore), and I usually got gas in that area, where no shootings occured.

But it was still a strange, paranoid time.

379 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:01:08am

re: #372 abolitionist

I'm guessing this is the powerpoint™ slide show that Hasan presented to his colleagues at Walter Reed.

The link from the WaPo front page is labeled: 2007 Hasan presentation to Army physicians

380 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:01:28am

AP must have noticed my link. Comments now deleted.

381 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:02:08am

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

The link from the WaPo front page is labeled: 2007 Hasan presentation to Army physicians

It's pretty crappy, overall, and the subject matter's a little odd. I'd love to see the notes pages he used for the talk.

382 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:03:22am

re: #371 lawhawk

At least AP banned 'em. Better late than not at all. It's something they should have been doing long before now.

Concur.

383 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:03:33am

re: #380 Killgore Trout

AP must have noticed my link. Comments now deleted.

They should put you on payroll.

384 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:03:52am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Heh.

385 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:04:35am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Hasan on Islam

[slideshow]

After seeing that slide presentation I'm calling shenanigans. This slide show was shown to "senior Army doctors in 2007" yet he was allowed to stay in the military. In particular I point to slides 49 and 50 that say:

Muslims Soldiers should not serve in any capacity that renders them at risk to hurting/killing believers unjustly --> will vary!

While this may sound good at face value his position as a psychiatrist is outside the realm of the moral questions of military activity. Had he been a Chaplain it would have been applicable. As it stands he is presenting too much doubt within the context of the US Army which is a military unit and not a house of worship.

He then follows with:

Recommendation

Department of Defense should allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as "Conscientious objectors" to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events.

Besides being an absurd statement this statement borders on insubordination especially having been said by an active duty Army officer and within the presence of senior Army personnel.

Major Hasan was in no position to make either this presentation let alone the statements they contained therin. While there is a place in the public sphere for these ideas it has no place in the US Army.

This is supposed to be the US Army, not Code Pink.

386 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:05:37am

The coercion elements of the health care plan really bugs me. The Democrats want to force people to get health insurance, regardless of whether the individuals themselves want it or not, and then will impose penalties (that because they are tax measures under the IRC, which can and would result in criminal sanction and civil penalties).

Obama wants to liken things to car insurance and the requirements that everyone with a car has to obtain minimum levels of insurance.

There's one huge problem with that leap of logic.

You don't have to buy and own a car, therefore the need to buy car insurance is not necessary.

The government here is forcing people to buy health insurance, regardless of their own need. People are being told to get health insurance with a penalty for those who refuse. That's the Democrats way of spreading the risk of health care coverage because most who get insurance don't actually use it. It is a collective risk and enlarging the pool reduces the average costs (so the thinking goes), but if you were one of the millions who weren't buying insurance at all, this is a huge cost to be incurred. There's no way around that.

And none of this actually reduces the costs of health care, but it does mean that as more people use health care providers, the quality of that care will decrease because there isn't an increase in the number of health care providers to match the increased demand for services.

No, I have a much better solution that would be incremental and measurable in its effect.

First start with getting the states to allow insurance companies to market plans that were approved elsewhere in the country - allowing people to choose plans that better suit their own needs. Gold plated coverages increase costs and not everyone needs gold plated coverage except those who want to pay for it. Increasing competitiveness helps.

Expand usage of health savings accounts so that people can put aside a rainy day fund to provide health care in emergencies.

Provide special rules to deal with catastrophic care and preexisting conditions.

Incremental changes such as these will not bankrupt the nation and impose a wholly unaffordable health care system.

387 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:06:59am

re: #385 Gus 802

Think WaPo got punked? It is a possibility, and I'll agree that if this is what he gave as a presentation, his continued service is all the more puzzling.

388 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:08:01am

Anagram for Nidal Malik Hasan - Allah is a Kind Man
It's a sign!

389 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:08:23am

re: #387 Guanxi88

Think WaPo got punked? It is a possibility, and I'll agree that if this is what he gave as a presentation, his continued service is all the more puzzling.

That's always possible but if I can't believe some of the things I see I would be left with nothing to say. ;)

390 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:09:26am

re: #358 Killgore Trout

At least AP finally banned them. Better late than never, IMHO. How much longer until we see Hot Air 2 stalking them?

391 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:09:29am

re: #387 Guanxi88

Think WaPo got punked? It is a possibility, and I'll agree that if this is what he gave as a presentation, his continued service is all the more puzzling.

Army classes and conferences often had a stated "non-attribution" policy to
encourage open discussion. Things were a lot more free than you might
expect.

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:09:31am

re: #10 karmic_inquisitor

Just to make sure that the morning shift sees it ...

Lovebirds sighted on dreary Scottish moors.

(Jimmah = Heathcliff and Iceweasel = Catherine)

[Video]

Is this our first LGF match?

393 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:09:54am

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

No.

394 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:11:59am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

Army classes and conferences often had a stated "non-attribution" policy to
encourage open discussion. Things were a lot more free than you might
expect.

That's actually a pretty damned good idea. No wonder they use it.

395 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:12:11am

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

Jimmah and Iceweasel sittin' in a tree...

Congrats to them! That's pretty boss.

396 ryannon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:12:21am

re: #393 Sharmuta

No.

True, that.

A number of people who have fallen in love with their online persona here.

397 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:13:13am

re: #396 ryannon

The previous couples on LGF went stalker.

398 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:14:18am

re: #394 Guanxi88

That's actually a pretty damned good idea. No wonder they use it.

It helped a lot of junior colonels push the "brigadist" transformation that
is pretty much mainstream now.

399 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:14:51am

re: #390 Honorary Yooper

How much longer until we see Hot Air 2 stalking them?


Lol

400 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:14:58am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

Army classes and conferences often had a stated "non-attribution" policy to
encourage open discussion. Things were a lot more free than you might
expect.

Even if it promotes a policy (or idea) of conscientious objection and a policy (or idea) of instilling doubt in our fighting men and women?

Now I can see where a private citizen is invited to speak such as when Noam Chomsky spoke at West Point. But an active duty officer within the context of two active military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and then having Major Hasan transferred to a theater of operation?

401 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:16:51am

Pelosicare Costs Revealed


The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) late last Thursday released a more detailed cost estimate (pdf) of the Pelosicare bill that shows when the leviathan bureaucracy is fully implemented it will cost taxpayers over $3 trillion over 10 years.

Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, warned late Friday:

“The CBO estimate released [late Thursday] night finally sheds light on the smoke and mirrors game the majority has been playing with the cost of their health care reform proposal,” Gregg said. “Over the first 10 years, this legislation builds in gross new spending of $1.7 trillion -- and most of the new spending doesn’t even start until 2014.”


So what happens in five years when the spending is fully implemented? According to Gregg, from 2014 to 2023, the CBO score shows the costs will explode.

“Once that spending is fully phased in, the House Democratic bill rings up at more than $3 trillion over ten years,” Gregg warned. “Additionally, this bill cuts critical Medicare and Medicaid funding by $628 billion, accounts for nearly $1.2 trillion in tax and fee increases and will explode the scope of government by putting the nation’s health care system in the hands of Washington bureaucrats.”

402 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:17:00am

re: #390 Honorary Yooper

At least AP finally banned them. Better late than never, IMHO. How much longer until we see Hot Air 2 stalking them?

LOL!

403 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:17:17am

re: #386 lawhawk

Obama wants to liken things to car insurance and the requirements that everyone with a car has to obtain minimum levels of insurance.

There's one huge problem with that leap of logic.

You don't have to buy and own a car, therefore the need to buy car insurance is not necessary.

Yes - and car insurance isn't just for you - it's to protect the other driver.
We also, generally, do not purchase car insurance to cover the small things like oil changes and tire rotations and the like.

404 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:18:15am

re: #386 lawhawk

And we went around and around with some progressives on LGF the other night in regards to this and they told us that this is the same as paying tax for services like roads and the military.

Bull.

405 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:19:28am

re: #400 Gus 802

Even if it promotes a policy (or idea) of conscientious objection and a policy (or idea) of instilling doubt in our fighting men and women?

Now I can see where a private citizen is invited to speak such as when Noam Chomsky spoke at West Point. But an active duty officer within the context of two active military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and then having Major Hasan transferred to a theater of operation?


We can't know much about the details or context of this controversial
speech. Specialized staff pukes have a lot of leeway in presenting what
is best from their point of view (medical, logisitics, etc.). It's OK until the
command decision is made, then "shut up and salute" kicks in.

406 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:20:01am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Exactly. Everyone uses roads. No one uses your health care.

407 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:20:44am

Trying the read and understand the 1,990 pages of the Health Care Plan is crazy! Especially the changes to it before it got pass in the lower house. It would be even more crazier in the senate. I can't believe that our representatives in Congress read and understood the plan including the mechanics to it. I'll just wait and see while enjoy the upcoming holidays! Now for a ice cold beer!

408 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:22:15am

re: #405 Decatur Deb

We can't know much about the details or context of this controversial
speech. Specialized staff pukes have a lot of leeway in presenting what
is best from their point of view (medical, logisitics, etc.). It's OK until the
command decision is made, then "shut up and salute" kicks in.

OK I know that's the case with the medical doctors in the military. That they are given a great deal more freedom to retain them in active duty. Not unlike "MASH" which is of course an extreme parody but not to far from the mark.

409 SteveC  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:22:33am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

And we went around and around with some progressives on LGF the other night in regards to this and they told us that this is the same as paying tax for services like roads and the military.

Bull.

It's a tax on breathing, plain and simple.

410 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:24:26am

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

The link from the WaPo front page is labeled: 2007 Hasan presentation to Army physicians

It's been changed to Hasan on Islam
[Then in fine print:]

Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the Army psychiatrist believed to have killed 13 people at Fort Hood, was supposed to discuss a medical topic during gave a presentation to senior Army doctors in June 2007. Instead, he lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting wars in Muslim countries.

But it was clear in your post (and I skimmed that).
/recaffinating

411 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:25:47am

re: #408 Gus 802

OK I know that's the case with the medical doctors in the military. That they are given a great deal more freedom to retain them in active duty. Not unlike "MASH" which is of course an extreme parody but not to far from the mark.

Right. Medics, chaplain, JAG, Personnel, the whole general staff. You're not in the crap until you take it out of the chain, especially public.

412 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:27:54am

re: #410 abolitionist

But it was clear in your post (and I skimmed that).
/recaffinating

So it was a bait and switch. He changed it from Hasan's medical presentation to Hasan's fatwā.

413 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:29:15am

re: #412 Gus 802

So it was a bait and switch. He changed it from Hasan's medical presentation to Hasan's fatwā.

The "he" being Major Hasan.

414 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:29:17am

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
Oh, front page link label is as you said.

415 SteveC  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:29:57am

re: #410 abolitionist

Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the Army psychiatrist believed to have killed 13 people at Fort Hood, was supposed to discuss a medical topic during gave a presentation to senior Army doctors in June 2007. Instead, he lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting wars in Muslim countries.

Was Hasan the highest ranking person there? I find it hard to believe no one said "Hey... what happened to our subject, Major?"

416 Expand Your Ground  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:30:26am

re: #409 SteveC

It's a tax on breathing, plain and simple.

We pay taxes to maintain clean air, we pay takes to breath healthy. We have come to decide, as "socialistic" as it sounds, that the health of America's workforce is a national resource that we must maintain, even if it costs us taxes.

One can see it as a moral argument, or maintaining a basic human right to health care, I just see it as sound policy.

417 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:32:20am

Korean Navies on Sea Border Exchange Fire

A South Korean naval patrol boat inflicted heavy damage on a North Korean military vessel in an exchange of gunfire Tuesday morning near the countries' maritime border in the Yellow Sea, the first violence during a year in which North Korea has repeatedly agitated the South and other countries.

418 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:32:45am

Off to work. BBT

419 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:34:37am

re: #2 Sharmuta

What a great start to my day! I bought a 45 of Rubber Ducky with my allowance when little.

420 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:34:50am

re: #416 ralphieboy

We pay taxes to maintain clean air, we pay takes to breath healthy. We have come to decide, as "socialistic" as it sounds, that the health of America's workforce is a national resource that we must maintain, even if it costs us taxes.

One can see it as a moral argument, or maintaining a basic human right to health care, I just see it as sound policy.

Where does a basic human right to health care come from?

421 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:35:35am

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

Where does a basic human right to health care come from?

Right before the internet and just after a college degree.

/

422 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:37:23am

re: #417 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


"a group of warships of the South Korean forces chased it and perpetrated such a grave provocation as firing on it."

I understand how differing stories are likely to occur but how does one confuse one patrol boat with "a group of warships"? Liars.

423 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:38:25am

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

Look at it from the other side, where does it come from that we have an obligation as human beings to care for each other?

Do we?

Granted that this is not necessarily a government thing.

424 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:38:28am

re: #386 lawhawk

Democrats want to force people to get health insurance, regardless of whether the individuals themselves want it or not...

And regardless of whether they can afford it or not. By 2013 premium costs will have barely gone down and if anything they may well rise. The individual mandate will be a boon for the health insurance companies. This also means tracking the coverage of citizens. If you don't have health insurance then you get the 2.5 percent tax levy and/or fines and jail time. They not only codified that language but the also set "minimum sentencing guidelines" in the legislation.

425 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:38:31am

re: #422 bosforus

I understand how differing stories are likely to occur but how does one confuse one patrol boat with "a group of warships"? Liars.

It was dark!

/

426 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:40:56am

Life beckons. Outta here.

427 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:42:11am

re: #424 Gus 802

you don't have health insurance then you get the 2.5 percent tax levy and/or fines and jail time. They not only codified that language but the also set "minimum sentencing guidelines" in the legislation.

I rebell.

428 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:44:13am

re: #423 Ojoe

Look at it from the other side, where does it come from that we have an obligation as human beings to care for each other?

Do we?

Granted that this is not necessarily a government thing.

Obligation, no. Do we, sometimes. Constitutionally no.

429 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:44:44am

re: #426 Decatur Deb

Life beckons. Outta here.

Pesky meatspace obligations...

430 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:45:07am

Journalists raise funds for troubled Fort Hood shooter

Satire, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't.

431 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:45:48am

Question for photographers-
Anyone use Adobe Lightroom? I have quit shooting in anything but camera RAW. I have the beta of Lightroom 3 and I am really impressed. I had been using Canon's raw conversion, then PS-CS2.

Curious if my fellow lizards face raw work flow issues with hundreds of RAW images per shoot.

432 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:46:34am

re: #427 Ojoe

I rebell.

I about give up. Financially everything just keeps piling up and it comes from both the government and the private sector. Looking at this piece of legislation as something I'm supposed to be happy about is something I can't wrap myself around. Which is not to say we don't need health care reform -- just not this bloated piece of work full of coercive mandates.

433 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:52:56am

re: #416 ralphieboy

We pay taxes to maintain clean air, we pay takes to breath healthy. We have come to decide, as "socialistic" as it sounds, that the health of America's workforce is a national resource that we must maintain, even if it costs us taxes.

One can see it as a moral argument, or maintaining a basic human right to health care, I just see it as sound policy.

Wow. Just wow. This is how Americans think? *whew*. Be afraid.

btw ralphieboy - A "workforce" isn't a state-owned entity. --At least not yet.

434 SteveC  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:54:18am

re: #416 ralphieboy

We pay taxes to maintain clean air, we pay takes to breath healthy. We have come to decide, as "socialistic" as it sounds, that the health of America's workforce is a national resource that we must maintain, even if it costs us taxes.

One can see it as a moral argument, or maintaining a basic human right to health care, I just see it as sound policy.

Forget "socialistic", let's talk realistic. How are you going to pay for it, Ralphiebaby?

* New taxes on medical devices (Pacemakers, hearing aids, electric wheelchairs... - even bedpans and tongue depressors)

* Lower Medicare Payments to doctors (Actually, that was a bribe for the American Medical Association

* AARP got a nice little bribe, too, and sold America's Seniors down the river.

Still feeling proud, Ralph? Or does it make you just want to ralph?

435 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #434 SteveC

Ralphie is not answering any of us.

436 Expand Your Ground  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:54:56am

re: #421 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right before the internet and just after a college degree.

/

It is *an* argument among many. One that does not carry far in this country, and especially on this site.

But I just see health care it as sound social and economic policy.

And the workforce is not a state-owned entity, but it is the very thing that the proeperity of the nation depends on, like clean air and water, like healthy food, the maintenace of personal safety through a sound system of law and criminal justice.

437 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:56:06am

re: #432 Gus 802

How can it be right for a government to force you to buy something?


I would leave my homeland and sail to America to avoid that, and I would never go back.

438 SteveC  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:57:55am

re: #435 Walter L. Newton

Ralphie is not answering any of us.

We think, therefore he quits.

439 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 9:59:09am

re: #438 SteveC

We think, therefore he quits.

That certainly seems to be his MO, drop a turd and run.

440 StillAMarine  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:00:38am

re: #416 ralphieboy

We pay taxes to maintain clean air, we pay takes to breath healthy. We have come to decide, as "socialistic" as it sounds, that the health of America's workforce is a national resource that we must maintain, even if it costs us taxes.

One can see it as a moral argument, or maintaining a basic human right to health care, I just see it as sound policy.

If health care is a basic human right, why shouldn't food, clothing and shelter be basic human rights? Do you really think that everybody should live in the same crappy government housing (think FEMA trailers), the same government cafeteria food, and the same clothes (think Mao suits). Socialism makes everybody equal -- equally poor.

441 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:02:00am

re: #435 Walter L. Newton

Ralphie is not answering any of us.

Just like yesterday.

442 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:03:14am

re: #436 ralphieboy

It is *an* argument among many. One that does not carry far in this country, and especially on this site.

But I just see health care it as sound social and economic policy.

And the workforce is not a state-owned entity, but it is the very thing that the proeperity of the nation depends on, like clean air and water, like healthy food, the maintenace of personal safety through a sound system of law and criminal justice.

So I suppose if the government decides to enable other workforce safeties, like gps tracking to make sure you dont get lost, or that you dont need that extra soda or cigarette because its bad for the workforce, then thats peachy keen as well?

443 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:08:48am

re: #437 Ojoe

How can it be right for a government to force you to buy something?

I would leave my homeland and sail to America to avoid that, and I would never go back.

Apparently they justify it by the argument that the uninsured costs society in the long run. It is costing me health wise but I haven't stepped into a hospital in many years even though I should. And so if this passes I will be forced to get health insurance. I was planning on it until the economy tanked last year. If it were 2013 today I would not be able to afford health insurance but will be forced to do so when the time comes or face government sanctions.

I would prefer that we have a productive and stable economy that would allow me to purchase what I need based on free-market principles. The government could provide one of those things called a full tax deduction for said insurance to incentivize such behavior. This would act as positive reinforcement for such behavior as opposed to negative government coercion.

So in a nutshell we promote a robust free market economy with full employment (or much higher employment then the 10 percent plus unemployment we have today) in which people are well payed and we have much work to do. People then use the extra income to purchase health insurance on their own without any state oversight other than providing a tax deduction.

I'm not holding my breath.

444 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #437 Ojoe

To me, that is absolutely staggering -- to force people to buy X. Well, what about poor people? what about people recently unemployed and without the financial means? (the irony is that in some ways, it's even worse than "socialist countries." Since, generally speaking, in socialist countries, the costs are borne by workers/taxes, etc., and what is considered "mandatory" or "obligatory" is ensuring universal access to health care...not mandating you purchase X, then threaten to penalize you if you don't buy their "product.")

445 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:27:59am

re: #440 StillAMarine

Wait a minute. Health Care is not a right, in the same context as free speech, and air. None of our "rights" require the manufacturing of a product or service to be given away. No one suggest the second amendment requires anyone to give a gun to someone who does not have the money to pay for it.

446 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:47:49am

re: #443 Gus 802

re: #444 J.S.

re: #445 Rightwingconspirator

I am beginning to think of this whole health care debate as coming from the wrong side of the question as regards rights and obligations.

If we do have an obligation to care about each other — and I think we do — then those who have been given more talents and more energy cannot just use those gifts for their own selfish benefit. Yet they do now: running after profits, shipping jobs overseas, callously not enforcing immigration laws and saturating the job market here to keep wages down (God bless the illegal immigrants anyway).

And now, when those not so fortunate begin to feel something is not right, the debate is falsely framed as a "right" thing, and with this misdirection the public spotlight is taken away from the real failing, which is of compassion at the 'top."

And this requirement that all must purchase something no matter their station in the economic system, now denying more than 10 % of the people a job, is just an insult added on top of the basic failure of compassion by the economic elite.

I call them out on it.

447 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:17:29am

re: #406 bosforus

Exactly. Everyone uses roads. No one uses your health care.

That depends if you consider yourself to "use" another person's immunity to a disease or viral infection.

It's pretty obvious that there is such thing as common good on health care, even if it's only limited to things like fighting polio.


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