DC Sniper to Die Tonight

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DC sniper John Allen Muhammad is scheduled to die by lethal injection tonight at 9 pm in Virginia. ABC News’ Russell Goldman interviewed one of Muhammad’s (and teenage accomplice Lee Boyd Malvo’s) victims, Paul LaRuffa, who amazingly survived five gunshots at close range: Survivor of Beltway Sniper Wants Justice, Gov. Kaine Denies Clemency.

Paul LaRuffa wants to know justice will be carried out tonight at 9 p.m. in the “Death Chamber” at the Greensville Correctional Center in Jarratt, Va. – he just doesn’t want to see it.

LaRuffa, who, by most accounts, was the first victim of the D.C. snipers, who carried out a weeks-long rampage of terror and murder in and around Washington, D.C., in 2002, says the first question he was asked after John Allen Muhammadwas sentenced to death in 2003, was whether he planned to attend his assailant’s execution.

“I’ve given every day of the past seven years to thinking about what he did to me. I don’t need to give up another day for him. It’s enough to know justice is being done,” he said of his decision not to attend Tuesday’s planned execution of Muhammad.

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1 rwdflynavy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:29:21am

I love happy endings!

2 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:29:56am

Lethal injection is too good for him.

3 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:31:43am

This is going to turn out to be a good day after all.

4 brent  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:33:34am

The death penalty always seems like getting off easy in cases like this.

5 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:33:38am
LaRuffa, 62, miraculously survived five gunshots at close range to his chest, spine, diaphragm and stomach, when Muhammad and his 17-year-old accomplice Lee Boyd Malvo robbed him of $3,500 and a laptop computer on Sept. 5, 2002.

That's one tough man.

6 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:33:43am

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

7 webevintage  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:34:04am

I posted this at the bottom of the last thread, hope it is OK to repeat:
The memorial service at Ft. Hood is on C-SPAN with no talking heads.

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

It is also being carried by FOX, MSNBC, CNN and NPR

8 ROPMA  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:34:12am

I haven't heard any crying about this in the MSM.

9 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:34:24am

re: #7 webevintage

And ABC.

10 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:34:40am
Muhammad has, in his last days, continued to profess his innocence, making delusional, conspiratorial claims "that, frankly, just don't make any sense," said Muhammad's lawyerJonathan Sheldon.

"You would get yourself ready to meet your maker. You'd pray," Sheldon said of a person of sound mind facing execution. "That's just not happening in this case, and that's an illustration of his mental illness."

Oh, give it up, already.

11 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:34:58am

I don't feel an urge to celebrate this guys execution...

12 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:35:14am

What was their motive?

13 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:35:22am

The new comments ticker isn't working for me.

14 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:36:09am

re: #11 albusteve

I don't feel an urge to celebrate this guys execution...

Nor do I. I take no joy from it, but I do feel that justice was served.

15 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:36:48am

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

Nor do I. I take no joy from it, but I do feel that justice was served.

it is...there is no more to it in my mind

16 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:37:13am

Hmm- I refreshed the page, and the ticker started working again. Maybe a temporary glitch.

17 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:37:55am

re: #4 brent

The death penalty always seems like getting off easy in cases like this.

He should suffer before the end, like the people he gunned down had to.

18 Gearhead  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:38:15am

A timely lesson for another self-styled jihadist.

19 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:38:38am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He should suffer before the end, like the people he gunned down had to.

how do you know he isn't?

20 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:38:51am

Cycle of Violence.

/if anywhere else.

21 brent  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:39:23am

I am not fishing for torture, but a quiet death does not seem like a fitting end to such a violent life. Oh well, the ox is slow, but the earth is patient.

22 Abdul Abulbul Amir  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:40:09am

Good riddance. With any luck it will be a rusty needle.

23 Pepper Fox  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #4 brent

The death penalty always seems like getting off easy in cases like this.

Not necessarily, if nothing else for the difference in treatment between death row and life sentence. On death row you are gonna spend a decade + sitting in a dark stripped cell with only one hour outside and you are surrounded by walls and barbed wire so high you won't be in the sun. And knowing it will end with a needle stuck in your arm and dying is nerve wracking for most. If it gives you any consolation I've heard reports that it is painful.

24 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:41:12am

The President and First Lady have joined the service.

25 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:42:47am

re: #12 MandyManners

What was their motive?

A mystery.

26 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:44:04am

re: #23 Pepper Fox

Not necessarily, if nothing else for the difference in treatment between death row and life sentence. On death row you are gonna spend a decade + sitting in a dark stripped cell with only one hour outside and you are surrounded by walls and barbed wire so high you won't be in the sun. And knowing it will end with a needle stuck in your arm and dying is nerve wracking for most. If it gives you any consolation I've heard reports that it is painful.

So's getting shot five times in the torso.

27 rwdflynavy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:44:55am

re: #23 Pepper Fox

Not necessarily, if nothing else for the difference in treatment between death row and life sentence. On death row you are gonna spend a decade + sitting in a dark stripped cell with only one hour outside and you are surrounded by walls and barbed wire so high you won't be in the sun. And knowing it will end with a needle stuck in your arm and dying is nerve wracking for most. If it gives you any consolation I've heard reports that it is painful.

Poor baby
//

28 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:44:59am

Mental illness as an excuse for everything, blabidiblabidibla.

The whole issue of culpability vs. insanity was settled long ago. As long as Muhammad knew that what he was doing was wrong in the eyes of the law, he is culpable. Crybaby lawyers notwithstanding.

29 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:45:45am

re: #25 Guanxi88

A mystery.

Less than a year after Atta and his buddies wreaked havoc, my first thought was terrorism.

30 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:46:04am

re: #29 MandyManners

Less than a year after Atta and his buddies wreaked havoc, my first thought was terrorism.

It was.

31 Pepper Fox  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:46:10am

re: #26 MandyManners

So's getting shot five times in the torso.

That too. In surgery you could "accidentally" remember the paralytic but not the anesthetic. Though that actually happens, and that's pretty scary.

32 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:46:24am

re: #21 brent

I am not fishing for torture, but a quiet death does not seem like a fitting end to such a violent life. Oh well, the ox is slow, but the earth is patient.

33 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:46:47am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was.

Were they charged with that?

34 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:47:10am
DC Sniper to Die Tonight

Don't let the veil hitcha!

35 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:47:24am

re: #31 Pepper Fox

I really don't give a flying fuck if he's scared of if he's hurt.

36 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:47:49am

Justice is obviously being done in this case and good riddance to an evil and destructive man.

In broader terms though, I have real reservations about the death penalty. It appears more and more that Texas actually did execute an innocent man in 2004 and Governor Goodhair Perry is playing sleazy Texas politics (ie gross abuse of power) to keep from answering for it.
How can we retain the death penalty for swine like JA Muhammed and still keep unscrupulous prosecutors and moron juries from inflicting an abomination in other cases? I am really beginning to think we can't.

37 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:48:04am

Governor will not issue a stay of execution.

38 Pepper Fox  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:48:05am

In Washington State, hanging is still an option. It's the only state with an active gallows, though it has not been used since 1996. Honestly I'd rather die that way than injection, but that's because I'm a bit on the heavy side and know I wouldn't strangle.

39 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:50:21am

Here was the motive:

During the Maryland trial, Mr. Malvo testified that the intent of their shooting spree was to create havoc to cover for Mr. Muhammad’s plans to kidnap his three children.

The longer-term goal, Mr. Malvo said, was to extort law enforcement to stop the shootings, after which Mr. Muhammad would take the money and move to Canada with Mr. Malvo and his three children. There, Mr. Malvo said, Mr. Muhammad planned to create a training ground for 140 young homeless men whom he would send out to wreak similar havoc and to “shut things down” in cities across the United States.

40 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:51:09am

re: #11 albusteve

I'm with you. It's sometimes required, but never a thing to celebrate.

41 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:51:10am

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here was the motive:

Sounds like terrorism to me.

42 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:51:26am

re: #38 Pepper Fox

In Washington State, hanging is still an option. It's the only state with an active gallows, though it has not been used since 1996. Honestly I'd rather die that way than injection, but that's because I'm a bit on the heavy side and know I wouldn't strangle.

It has to do with the way the knot is set. Behind the head and you'll choke to death, to the side and the neck will snap.

43 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:52:13am

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch say that lethal injection is cruel and unusual punishment and torture. In this case, I hope they're right.

44 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:52:40am

re: #43 Mad Al-Jaffee

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch say that lethal injection is cruel and unusual punishment and torture. In this case, I hope they're right.

Yet suicide bombings are self defense.

45 Gearhead  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:52:53am

I'm about 5 miles from the liquor store in Montgomery, AL where his killing spree began.

I don't celebrate his death. It's never good when someone goes completely off the rails to the point that society sees fit to put him down. I can't know what went wrong in his life to lead to choices he made, but those choices do have consequences, and his execution is one of them.

46 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:53:00am

re: #43 Mad Al-Jaffee

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch say that lethal injection is cruel and unusual punishment and torture. In this case, I hope they're right.

So is throwing people off of buildings in Gaza.

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:53:10am

I'm not celebratory. But am certainly glad that justice moved swiftly. I am celebrating that we are not hearing about this execution in 25 years.

48 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:53:40am

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not celebratory. But am certainly glad that justice moved swiftly. I am celebrating that we are not hearing about this execution in 25 years.

Yes, it has been swift in this case.

49 S'latch  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:54:02am

"Let the punishment fit the crime."

50 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:54:35am

re: #41 MandyManners

Sounds like terrorism to me.

People were hiding in or behind their cars at gas stations. It terrified the surrounding areas of DC, so yes- it sounds like terrorism to me too.

51 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:54:42am

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not celebratory. But am certainly glad that justice moved swiftly. I am celebrating that we are not hearing about this execution in 25 years.

I don't think Federal capital cases get 800,000 appeals like California.

52 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:54:56am

re: #49 Lawrence Schmerel

"Let the punishment fit the crime."

Malvo's lucky.

53 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:54:56am

re: #46 MandyManners

So is throwing people off of buildings in Gaza.

They were supposed to think happy thoughts before they hit. Its their own fault.

//

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:04am

OT... Everybody is aware of Jimmah and IceWeasels recent union, right?

55 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:13am

re: #38 Pepper Fox

I can only think of a few ways to die that could be considered "painless" though more akin to instant. They usually involve an unaware subject and massive amount of force. Some are advocating for Nitrogen asphyxiation because it's considered painless and the organs can be donated for transplants.

56 webevintage  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:17am

I am just unable to stop crying...
"here am I, send me"

57 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:17am

re: #49 Lawrence Schmerel

"Let the punishment fit the crime."

Firing squad in this case.

58 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:20am

re: #52 MandyManners

Malvo's lucky.

Lucky would've been Gitmo.

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:31am

re: #51 ArchangelMichael

Governor of VA could've stepped in.

60 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:36am

The President is about to speak...

61 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:55:37am

re: #50 Sharmuta

People were hiding in or behind their cars at gas stations. It terrified the surrounding areas of DC, so yes- it sounds like terrorism to me too.

The notion to extort the government and then use the money to set up training camps for more terrorists...

62 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:56:07am

re: #46 MandyManners

So is throwing people off of buildings in Gaza.


That's electioneering.

63 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:56:24am

re: #58 Ben Hur

Is there any chance he'll ever get out?

64 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:57:17am

re: #62 Guanxi88

That's electioneering.

And, we thought having the dead in Cook County was rough,...

65 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:57:26am

Right now I'm playing the world's smallest violin for Muhammad. The tune I'm playing for him is La Cucaracha.

66 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #63 MandyManners

Is there any chance he'll ever get out?

Of hell?

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:58:12am

re: #66 Ben Hur

Of hell?

Lee Boyd...

68 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:58:36am

re: #66 Ben Hur

Of hell?

Only if he can beat the Grim Reaper at Twister, Clue, or Battleship.

69 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:59:09am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... Everybody is aware of Jimmah and IceWeasels recent union, right?

Wha?

70 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:59:28am

re: #64 MandyManners

And, we thought having the dead VOTE in Cook County was rough,...

Ooopsie.

71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:59:35am

President Obama is giving a wonderful Eulogy. Speaking of each victim, individually.

72 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:59:39am

re: #66 Ben Hur

Of hell?

Malvo.

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:00:21pm

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

President Obama is giving a wonderful Eulogy. Speaking of each victim, individually.

And... the Emergency Broadcast System just had flippin' test RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS SPEECH!

GAH!

74 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:01:03pm

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And... the Emergency Broadcast System just had flippin' test RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS SPEECH!

GAH!

The station must be run by teh Paulians!!!11!

/

75 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:01:20pm

BO is flawless

76 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:03:01pm

God bless our soldiers- President Obama is doing a very nice job eulogizing them. May their families find comfort...

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:03:09pm

Watching the President speak of each person individually reminds me of the ethnic quilt that is America.

God Bless each and every one of those victims, their surviving families and friends.

78 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:03:36pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lethal injection is too good for him.

I was thinking a firing squad armed with civil war muskets, and one guy lines up to shoot at a time. It would approximate what he gave his victims.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

Wha?

yep. married. Ice is moving to Scotland.

80 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:04:25pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yep. married. Ice is moving to Scotland.

Dude! DOn't use her real name!

81 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:04:26pm

"No faith justifies these acts." -President Obama

82 rwdflynavy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yep. married. Ice is moving to Scotland.

Is she starting up a new Soros funded commune there?
//

Congrats to Ice and Jimmah!!!

83 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:04:59pm

he slammed the jihadis...good for him

84 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:05:03pm

Here's a big bird flipped to all the people who were yelling at Obama for saying the wrong thing before he even freakin' said anything.

85 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:05:09pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

"No faith justifies these acts." -President Obama

Is he suggesting an Islamist connection and also a no true scotsman all in one?

86 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:05:43pm

I guess that mean no shout outs?

87 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:06:06pm

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does anyone really benefit from the EBS tests? They seem to piss off more people than actually give a sense of security.

88 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:06:10pm

re: #86 Ben Hur

I guess that mean no shout outs?

He's got a script - he'll do fine, and appears to be doing a fine job now.

89 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:06:54pm

Has anyone here actually witnessed a state run execution? I witnessed the execution of Jose Medellin a year or so ago. He was one of a gang that captured, raped and killed two teenage girls here in Houston back around 1993 or so. At the time I was involved with the initial search for the victims and became friends with one of the families and was invited to Huntsville for the execution. I was and still am pretty hard-nosed about retaining the death penalty however the actual execution itself shook me up pretty bad. It was not the witnessing of death because I had that experience in Vietnam but it was the knowing the exact time and place and seeing the process. I have to be honest but it was the most profound yet creepy experience of my life.

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:06:59pm

He does speak well, doesn't he.

91 Pepper Fox  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:07:27pm

re: #87 Idle Drifter

Does anyone really benefit from the EBS tests? They seem to piss off more people than actually give a sense of security.

I'd think that anyone that actually cares about whats going on would have an alert radio or something.

92 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:07:33pm

re: #85 Guanxi88

President Bush would have said the same thing.

93 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:08:05pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

President Bush would have said the same thing.

Yep, and I tired of hearing it from him, too.

94 rwdflynavy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:08:27pm

re: #91 Pepper Fox

I'd think that anyone that actually cares about whats going on would have an alert radio or something.

It does beg the question, what about folks with no tv (internet only for entertainment (hulu etc.)).

95 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:08:38pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

President Bush would have said the same thing.

Or worse.

96 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:08:51pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

President Bush would have said the same thing.

In words of two syllables or fewer. ;^)

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:09:32pm

re: #94 rwdflynavy

It does beg the question, what about folks with no tv (internet only for entertainment (hulu etc.)).

"I'd like ta help you son, but you're too young to vote."

TV doesn't care about bailing your ass out if you aren't a customer.

98 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:09:45pm

BO definately makes the distinction that this is terrorism, war

99 Pepper Fox  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:09:47pm

re: #94 rwdflynavy

It does beg the question, what about folks with no tv (internet only for entertainment (hulu etc.)).

Broadcast radio, new tornado sirens that talk (we have those, they're freaky) and my weather channel desktop gives amber alerts along with weather alerts.

100 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:09:53pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

President Bush would have said the same thing.

But Ronnie would have said it better...he was the best at these types of things.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:10:09pm

"Those who belong to eternity."

I love those words, as sad as they are.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #100 Big Steve

..."And touched the face of God"...

103 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

President Bush would have said the same thing.

re: #95 Ben Hur

Or worse.

re: #96 Cato the Elder

In words of two syllables or fewer. ;^)

In a flight suit.

104 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:10:40pm

re: #98 albusteve

BO definately makes the distinction that this is terrorism, war

That's a shock. I thought we weren't' supposed to jump to conclusions.

105 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:10:55pm

re: #91 Pepper Fox

We also have the 24 hour news cycle. Usually anything that goes down will be known within the hour across the world.

106 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:10:57pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

In a flight suit.

at sea.

107 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:11:04pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lethal injection is too good for him.

Maybe the executioner will skimp on the anesthesia.

108 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:11:07pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

In a flight suit.

Jumping through a flaming hoop!

LOL!

109 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:11:18pm

Amazing Grace...

110 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:11:23pm

re: #106 Guanxi88

at sea.

In bed.

111 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:11:37pm

re: #82 rwdflynavy

Is she starting up a new Soros funded commune there?
//

Congrats to Ice and Jimmah!!!

Big updings for that. I missed the news the other day.

112 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:11:38pm

re: #104 Guanxi88

That's a shock. I thought we weren't' supposed to jump to conclusions.

C'mon.

They sat over a beer...

113 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:11:55pm

re: #99 Pepper Fox

Broadcast radio, new tornado sirens that talk (we have those, they're freaky) and my weather channel desktop gives amber alerts along with weather alerts.

You can get local AMBER alerts texted to you if you really wanted. Cool idea. I'd probably sign up for it if I had more free time.

114 Gearhead  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:12:00pm

re: #104 Guanxi88

That's a shock. I thought we weren't' supposed to jump to conclusions.

Looking back at the news the past few days, it seems the conclusions jumped to him.

115 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:12:01pm

re: #88 Guanxi88

He's got a script - he'll do fine, and appears to be doing a fine job now.

Give the man some credit, he can deliver a speech. We all know many politicians just read what is written for them, but delivery is important. Reagan and Kennedy could do it, and so can Obama, words can motivate, and in this case ease some pain.
Besides, they approve, edit and expand on the words written for them, and in this case at least, a nice job by all.

116 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:12:14pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Oh, give it up, already.

It seems the coward couldn't face his pending execution! Just wondering who will pick-up his remains for burial?

117 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:12:42pm

As long as we don't hear the phrase "religion of peace", I'd say that Obama has Bush beat on this score.

118 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:12:55pm

re: #116 Mike DeGuzman

It seems the coward couldn't face his pending execution! Just wondering who will pick-up his remains for burial?

Don't prisons have grave-yards?

119 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:12:57pm

Amazing Grace at funerals always makes me cry.

120 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #110 Cato the Elder

Doing a barrel roll.

121 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:13:12pm

The Big Flounce.

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:13:26pm

Funny. I had never heard iceweasels first name, she posted it this morning.

That was the first name I had always thought she had. Don't know why. Strange guess, I'm sure.

123 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:13:39pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Amazing Grace at funerals always makes me cry.

That, and the gun salute.

Heard that live once. Surprisingly moving.

124 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:13:43pm

re: #115 avanti

Give the man some credit, he can deliver a speech. We all know many politicians just read what is written for them, but delivery is important. Reagan and Kennedy could do it, and so can Obama, words can motivate, and in this case ease some pain.
Besides, they approve, edit and expand on the words written for them, and in this case at least, a nice job by all.

That's what I'm saying. If I had some buncombe i wanted to put over, I'd have him to read it and make his own suggestions. He's one hell of a speaker, I just don't like what he says.

125 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:10pm

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

Nor do I. I take no joy from it, but I do feel that justice was served.

And not twenty years after the crime, either.

126 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:26pm

re: #123 Ben Hur

That, and the gun salute.

Heard that live once. Surprisingly moving.

Had that last month. It was moving, but then- it was for my grandfather, so I was already moved.

127 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:32pm

re: #125 The Sanity Inspector

And not twenty years after the crime, either.

That was surprising.

128 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:33pm

re: #117 Cato the Elder

As long as we don't hear the phrase "religion of peace", I'd say that Obama has Bush beat on this score.

Hell, if he can spare us that, I'll check that little box on the tax return and donate $1.00 to the presidential campaign fund. I know, he uses private dollars, but still...

129 wiffersnapper  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:34pm

Took long enough.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:37pm

Isaiah 40.

*chills*

131 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:14:54pm

re: #124 Guanxi88

That's what I'm saying. If I had some buncombe i wanted to put over, I'd have him to read it and make his own suggestions. He's one hell of a speaker, I just don't like what he says.

his eulogy was excellent, perfect in fact

132 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:15:10pm

re: #120 Idle Drifter

Doing a barrel roll.

Spinning 6 plates on the ends of canes.

133 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:15:45pm

Hopefully, Maj Hasan will meet the same fate as the DC sniper.

134 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:16:47pm

re: #115 avanti

Give the man some credit, he can deliver a speech. We all know many politicians just read what is written for them, but delivery is important. Reagan and Kennedy could do it, and so can Obama, words can motivate, and in this case ease some pain.
Besides, they approve, edit and expand on the words written for them, and in this case at least, a nice job by all.

Yes, he can read a script that has been written for him and prepared for him. That's all. We have hours and hours of video and audio of this man, and how tentative he is, slow to respond, stammering and not able to put together a coherent paragraph.

There is no way you can deny this. (but you will try).

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:16:54pm

Even standing around, American soldiers look bad ass.

136 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:17:14pm

re: #121 Ojoe

The Big Flounce.

Taking a Dirt Nap
Kicking the Oxygen habit
Won't be down for breakfast.
Turned in his lunch pail and spoon.
Assumed room temperature.
Dining with Pol Pot.

137 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:17:15pm

re: #133 Mike DeGuzman

Hopefully, Maj Hasan will meet the same fate as the DC sniper.

If he is guilty? We don't know that yet.

138 Pepper Fox  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:17:16pm

My station in Killeen/Waco/Temple just lost its video feed.

139 HelloDare  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:17:41pm

Just posted this on the last thread, which appears to be dead.

It is important to put Anita Dunn's Mao quote in context. Here it is in its entirety:

"A lot of you have a great deal of ability. A lot of you work hard. Put them together and that answers the ‘why not' question. There's usually not a good reason and then the third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers - Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa, not often coupled with each other but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is you're going to make choices. You're going to challenge. You're going to say why not. You're going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before, but here's the deal... These are your choices. They are no one else's. In 1947, when Mao Tse Tung was being challenged within his own party on his plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai-Shek and the nationalist Chinese held the cities, they had the army. They had the air force. They had everything on their side, and people said how can you win? How can you do this? How can you do this? Against all the odds against you, and Mao Tse Tung said, you know, you fight your war, and I'll fight mine, and think about that for a second. You don’t have to accept the definition of how to do things and you don’t have to follow other people’s choices and paths. It is about your choices and your paths. You fight your own war. You lay out your own paths. You figure out which is right for you. You don’t let external definition define how good you are internally. You fight your war, you let them fight theirs. Everybody has their own path. And Mother Theresa...”

Unfortunately, the only source I could find is from Glen Beck.

Remember, Dunn was speaking before high school students. Many of them probably knew nothing about Mao. Their possible take-away: Mao was a cool philosopher, military leader and politician. You know, sort of like Marcus Aurelius.

Dunn's quote is in no way the same as McCain's failed attempt at a one liner. Here it is as posted at LGF:


“It was about the time that I visited here last time there was a lot of people who said that my political career was not going to succeed. In fact in the words of Chairman Mao, “It’s always darkest before it’s totally black.” (garbled) ... the assessment and ...
140 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:17:53pm

re: #136 Guanxi88

Taking a Dirt Nap
Kicking the Oxygen habit
Won't be down for breakfast.
Turned in his lunch pail and spoon.
Assumed room temperature.
Dining with Pol Pot.

An ex-parrot scumbag

141 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

If he is guilty? We don't know that yet.

looks pretty much like he did it

142 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Don't prisons have grave-yards?


Yes some prisons have grave yards.

143 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:18:20pm

re: #124 Guanxi88

That's what I'm saying. If I had some buncombe i wanted to put over, I'd have him to read it and make his own suggestions. He's one hell of a speaker, I just don't like what he says.

Fair enough, credit where it is do is all I was asking for. Reagan could make me swell with pride about our country on occasion, in the middle of a speech about something I disagreed with. :)

144 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:18:42pm

Go 'Bama!

145 SFGoth  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:19:27pm

Wonder if Obama will issue some kind of eulogy, you know, he was misunderstood and a victim of our Military-Industrial complex, yadda yadda.

146 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:19:34pm

re: #143 avanti

Fair enough, credit where it is do is all I was asking for. Reagan could make me swell with pride about our country on occasion, in the middle of a speech about something I disagreed with. :)

you're the impressionable type then?...lose track of substance?

147 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:19:45pm

re: #141 albusteve

looks pretty much like he did it

He did it. Sometimes the presumption of innocence is more of a necessary legal fiction than anything else.

148 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #104 Guanxi88

That's a shock. I thought we weren't' supposed to jump to conclusions.

Eh, I think the evidence is in, and it's pretty conclusive. BHO apparently agrees.

149 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:20:19pm

re: #143 avanti

Fair enough, credit where it is do is all I was asking for. Reagan could make me swell with pride about our country on occasion, in the middle of a speech about something I disagreed with. :)

It's a gift. One can develop it if it's already there, but you can't teach it.

150 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:21:08pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

Yes, he can read a script that has been written for him and prepared for him. That's all. We have hours and hours of video and audio of this man, and how tentative he is, slow to respond, stammering and not able to put together a coherent paragraph.

There is no way you can deny this. (but you will try).

Agreeing with Walter here...I have never seen such a dichotomy in a president as Obama between his prepared remarks and his off-the-cuff. However since he is SUPPOSED to be the great communicator I guess mentioning this is not cool.

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:21:20pm

re: #145 SFGoth

Whaaa?

152 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:21:35pm

re: #145 SFGoth

His eulogy was very well done, actually, and he didn't say any of the wingnut wishful thinking talking points, so malkin can go gnash her teeth if she'd like.

153 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:21:45pm

Roll call.

Very emotional moment.

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:22:16pm

If y'all ain't watching this with chills... go see a physician.

155 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:22:24pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

He did it. Sometimes the presumption of innocence is more of a necessary legal fiction than anything else.

wait for the investigation...maybe a few weeks...see if they can find some security vids to analyze...interview 300 witnesses then confirm their stories etc...etc

156 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:22:35pm

I guess this explains all the fire engines i hear...
Huge 3-alarm fire breaks out at southeast Portland school

157 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

His eulogy was very well done, actually, and he didn't say any of the wingnut wishful thinking talking points, so malkin can go gnash her teeth if she'd like.

ODS will carry on no doubt.

158 recusancy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:22:46pm

re: #150 Big Steve

Agreeing with Walter here...I have never seen such a dichotomy in a president as Obama between his prepared remarks and his off-the-cuff. However since he is SUPPOSED to be the great communicator I guess mentioning this is not cool.

He picks each word carefully. He's cautious to a fault. We live in a sound bite gotcha media world. It's kinda what you have to do to survive politically.

159 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:24:19pm

OT - CBS to make Twitter's (Expletive) My Dad Says into sitcom

I can imagine Jerry Stiller as the father.

160 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:24:24pm

re: #158 recusancy

He picks each word carefully. He's cautious to a fault. We live in a sound bite gotcha media world. It's kinda what you have to do to survive politically.

I understand all that and don't fault Obama. However with Bush the media, comedians, SNL and such were all over every mispronunciation. However they never do that with President Obama.

161 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:24:32pm

re: #146 albusteve

you're the impressionable type then?...lose track of substance?

Big time impressionable. I'm a agnostic and just wept over Amazing Grace, go figure. In my head, I know the substance of the song Amazing Grace is religious, but can't help myself.

162 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:25:30pm

re: #139 HelloDare

Anita's Dunn.

163 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:25:30pm

re: #161 avanti

Big time impressionable. I'm a agnostic and just wept over Amazing Grace, go figure. In my head, I know the substance of the song Amazing Grace is religious, but can't help myself.

what's Amazing Grace got to do with Reagan?

164 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:26:01pm
165 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:26:05pm

re: #155 albusteve

wait for the investigation...maybe a few weeks...see if they can find some security vids to analyze...interview 300 witnesses then confirm their stories etc...etc

Of course. The formalities must be observed. But that's all they are in this case.

166 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:26:51pm

Any idea what the President is placing at the photos of the fallen?

167 recusancy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:26:52pm

re: #160 Big Steve

I understand all that and don't fault Obama. However with Bush the media, comedians, SNL and such were all over every mispronunciation. However they never do that with President Obama.

Because he pronounces thing correctly and speaks eloquently. He just pauses a lot.

168 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:26:53pm

re: #161 avanti

Big time impressionable. I'm a agnostic and just wept over Amazing Grace, go figure. In my head, I know the substance of the song Amazing Grace is religious, but can't help myself.


You can take the boy out of the religion, but you can't take the religious impulse out of the boy. (It probably has evolutionary survival value.)

169 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:28:35pm

re: Major Hasan and the court martial:

If the evidence warrants and the court martial carries out its obligations and finds Maj. Hasan guilty of murdering 13 soldiers and wounding 29 others, one possible outcome is a death sentence. If that's their decision, fine by me.

If they choose something less than that - life in prison, it will have to do.

Nothing that the court martial will do will bring back the lives of the 13 murdered soldiers. Nothing will make the lives of the 29 others whole. Hasan appears to have taken something from all of them, and his is a debt that can never be repaid in full, but under the laws of the US and the UCMJ, a down payment can be made. Ultimately, the deceased families will have only the memories of their loved ones to reflect on and what could have been.

I can only hope that justice is done under the laws of the US and the UCMJ. I expect nothing less.

170 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:29:13pm

re: #161 avanti

All I ask for when my time comes are two coins, just in case.

171 avanti  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:29:33pm

re: #163 albusteve

what's Amazing Grace got to do with Reagan?

Noting, just agreeing that I'm impressionable.

172 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:30:02pm

Reagan was a great communicator and also a great prevaricator. He could lie to your face about Iran-Contra and make you feel unpatriotic for doubting him, when you knew everything he was saying was a lie.

173 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:30:06pm

I thought BOs campaign speeches were often hilarious...on and on without saying much of anything

"I can't stand the way he sangs,
but I love to hear him talk"

'Up On Cripple Creek'

174 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:31:16pm

re: #169 lawhawk

1,300 years, Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth. Solitary confinement.

175 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:31:53pm

re: #174 Gus 802

1,300 years, Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth. Solitary confinement.

And an exclusive interview with 60 Minutes on why Israel is to blame.

176 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:32:58pm

re: #169 lawhawk

He should be tried by the state of Texas.

177 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:33:28pm

What happened with the guy that fragged his commanders a few years back?

178 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:34:44pm

re: #175 Ben Hur

And an exclusive interview with 60 Minutes on why Israel is to blame.

Wonder if there would be a way to block something like that. Lets say he was given a life sentence to put a gag on him.

179 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:35:00pm

re: #167 recusancy

Because he pronounces thing correctly and speaks eloquently. He just pauses a lot.

57 states. So eloquent.

180 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:35:57pm

re: #176 Mad Al-Jaffee

He should be tried by the state of Texas.

The military has jurisdiction on military installations.

181 ROPMA  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:36:26pm
182 rwdflynavy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:36:38pm

Off topic

Former Astronaut Makes Plea Deal

CAPT Nowak pleading guilty to lesser crimes in her crazy cross-country drive to attack her lover's girlfriend.

183 rwdflynavy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:37:13pm

re: #179 bosforus

57 states. So eloquent.

ROTFL!!!

184 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:37:32pm

re: #179 bosforus

57 states. So eloquent.

my bowling "was like the Special Olympics or something."

185 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:37:46pm

re: #182 rwdflynavy

Off topic

Former Astronaut Makes Plea Signs Depends Endorsement Deal

CAPT Nowak pleading guilty to lesser crimes in her crazy cross-country drive to attack her lover's girlfriend.

Is how I wish that had read.

186 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:37:48pm

re: #180 MandyManners

The military has jurisdiction on military installations.

Too bad. Because I'm pretty sure of the verdict and penalty if it was a Texas court.

187 recusancy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:37:59pm

re: #179 bosforus

57 states. So eloquent.

You make my point for me. You have to find some small meaningless fumble from over a year ago that you've grasped onto. I'm sure you wait for each addition of Obamateurism from Hot Air. Really grasping.

188 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:38:55pm

re: #177 Ben Hur
Hasan Akbar

On 20 November 2006 Lieutenant General John Vines, commander of the 18th Airborne Corps, affirmed the death sentence against Akbar.[3] The case now goes to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals under an automatic appeal. If the appeal fails, the execution will take place by lethal injection.
189 webevintage  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:38:58pm

re: #170 Idle Drifter

All I ask for when my time comes are two coins, just in case.

gotta pay the ferryman...

190 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:39:00pm

re: #187 recusancy

You make my point for me. You have to find some small meaningless fumble from over a year ago that you've grasped onto. I'm sure you wait for each addition of Obamateurism from Hot Air. Really grasping.

Um, it was the first thing that came to my head. Settle down. Don't you think that if I had been following any Obama-isms I would have said something more recent?

191 Summer Seale  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:39:06pm

Honestly, I think that in cases such as these, or Nidal Hassan's killing spree, it's just best to kill them on the spot and get it over with.

Then again, I really don't care if they put them in jail for life or execute them. In general, I'm against the death penalty except when it comes to crimes of mass murder.

I know, I sound like I'm floundering but then again, I'm not pulling the switch.

192 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:39:24pm

re: #186 Mad Al-Jaffee

Too bad. Because I'm pretty sure of the verdict and penalty if it was a Texas court.

The UCMJ allows for execution.

193 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:39:33pm

re: #189 webevintage

gotta pay the ferryman...

Don't fear the reaper (more cowbell!)

194 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:39:33pm

re: #186 Mad Al-Jaffee

Too bad. Because I'm pretty sure of the verdict and penalty if it was a Texas court.

he's toast...whatever happens to him now does not really matter...his time will come and he can't stop it

195 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:40:02pm

re: #179 bosforus

57 states. So eloquent.

"Noo-kyew-luhr." So intelligent.

196 JohninLondon  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:40:05pm

re: #152 Sharmuta


I agree that the eulogy was well-written and well-delivered.

Putting all the stress on honouring the dead, and saluting the US armed forces.

197 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #187 recusancy

There wasn't 2922 Bushisms, but I heard about one every single day from someone with BDS for 8 years, so you better get used to it or tune it out.

198 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:40:33pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Hasan Akbar

Thanks.

I've seen the latest "black flag" conspiracy already today, but it's weird that both are named Hasan.

199 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:41:11pm

re: #195 Cato the Elder

"Noo-kyew-luhr." So intelligent.

Yep Carter was a dope wasn't he...

200 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:41:28pm

Is there somewhere I can watch the whole Obama eulogy already? Is it up yet?

201 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:41:33pm

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Huh? Not at all...

202 Gus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:42:00pm

Making fun of the president on the day he gave a eulogy at the memorial of those that died at Fort Hood is a sign of disrespect for the event.

203 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:42:06pm

re: #199 ArchangelMichael

Yep Carter was a dope wasn't he...

I was talking about Dubya Dumbass, but yes, Peanut is a dope, too.

204 Girth  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:42:11pm

re: #192 MandyManners

The UCMJ allows for execution.

There was someone on Fox earlier today saying that capital punishment in the military is tough for two reasons. First, it's very rare, so the prosecutors have little experience in bringing a capital case, and second, the appeals process is even longer than that of civilian courts.

205 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:42:24pm

Transcript of Obama's remarks. It's at Fox, so it's probably all made up:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

206 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:42:35pm
207 recusancy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:43:02pm

re: #205 Guanxi88

Transcript of Obama's remarks. It's at Fox, so it's probably all made up:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

LOL

208 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Video: President Obama's Heartbreaking Speech At Fort Hood

it wasn't heartbreaking at all...what's up with that?

209 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:43:39pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Video: President Obama's Heartbreaking Speech At Fort Hood

Thank you. I trust a video from Kos more than a transcript from Fox.

210 webevintage  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:43:50pm

The roll call was just heartbreaking...

211 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:44:02pm

re: #205 Guanxi88

The comments are hilarious...

Shame on our President!!! As the Commander in Chief, Not once did he salute the fallen soldiers or any of the soldiers that attended the service. I have now lost all respect for our so called President.
212 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:44:11pm

re: #209 Cato the Elder

Thank you. I trust a video from Kos more than a transcript from Fox.

BOOGA! BOOGA!

213 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:44:28pm

re: #208 albusteve

Koskidz title. I didn't watch it.

214 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:45:17pm

re: #203 Cato the Elder

I was talking about Dubya Dumbass, but yes, Peanut is a dope, too.

And I was pointing out that the "dumbass" pronunciation that you so loathe so much is unfortunately commonplace. I can think of a few dozen other words that otherwise intelligent people with regional accents say that make me want cringe or laugh my ass off when I hear it.

215 albusteve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:45:27pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Koskidz title. I didn't watch it.

it was very good imo...I love BO

216 bosforus  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:45:33pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

They make it sound like they were pushed off a cliff when in reality they were already climbing down it and lost their grip.

217 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:46:17pm

re: #209 Cato the Elder

Thank you. I trust a video from Kos more than a transcript from Fox.

I trust a transcript from Kos more than a video from Fox.

218 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:46:45pm

re: #215 albusteve

it was very good imo...I love BO

That explains the pitted out shirts.

219 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:47:26pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Video: President Obama's Heartbreaking Speech At Fort Hood

Ironic from DKOS.

I saw their comment sections the last couple of days.

Could've been a thread.

220 J.S.  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:49:49pm

Personally, I really, really dislike trying to get in some political pot-shots (really these are cheap shots) at funeral services. this is not, repeat, not the time.

221 Mike DeGuzman  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:49:51pm

re: #177 Ben Hur
Hasan Akbar

On 20 November 2006 Lieutenant General John Vines, commander of the 18th Airborne Corps, affirmed the death sentence against Akbar.[3] The case now goes to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals under an automatic appeal. If the appeal fails, the execution will take place by lethal injection.


Hopefully after Maj Hasan's lenghtly trail and he is found guilty of murder and sentenced to death, the execution of Sgt Akbar had been carried out, then that will pave way for Maj Hasan's execution.

222 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:50:26pm
Not only is he one of the best POTUS we've ever had, he's also one of the best statesmen this world has ever known.
223 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:50:28pm

This is interesting...
Family Feud: How Much Is Moon Church Conflict Driving Wash Times Turmoil?

The Sunday firings of executives at the Washington Times and the possible exit of its top editor are apparently being driven more than previously known by last month's transfer of power of the Unification Church and associated business empire from Rev. Sun Myung Moon to his children.

A newsroom source familiar with church politics tells TPM that the root of the shakeup at the Washington Times is a feud between Hyung-jin Moon, 30, and Hyun-jin Moon, 40, also known as Preston, both U.S.-educated sons of church Father Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

Newsroom Sources: Beefed-Up Security At Wash Times

Newsroom sources tell TPM that employees have been told the third floor is "closed."

Employees at first couldn't use the elevators for the three-story building. An additional guard has been spotted in the lobby, standing next to the regular security guard who is there during business hours. Sources aren't sure whether the guard remaining on site today is armed.

The building in northeast Washington D.C. has always had private security in the lobby, but the extra security is a new development.

224 rwdflynavy  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:50:49pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

I trust a transcript from Kos more than a video from Fox.


Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, who runs the Angry Left Daily Kos blog, had this to say in a post yesterday about the murders of four American contractors who were helping to deliver food in Fallujah, Iraq:

Every death should be on the front page

Let the people see what war is like. This isn't an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush's folly.

That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries [sic]. They aren't in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

225 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:51:49pm

re: #220 J.S.

I agree but they can't help it. It is tasteless but ODS sufferers aren't in control of themselves.

226 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:51:57pm

re: #220 J.S.

Personally, I really, really dislike trying to get in some political pot-shots (really these are cheap shots) at funeral services. this is not, repeat, not the time.

Unless, of course, you are speaking at Coretta Scott King's funeral, or the Wellstone service.

227 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:53:45pm

Obama's speech was adequate however some loser president in the past was able to accomplish the same in three sentences...

I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.

I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom.

228 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies?

229 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:54:31pm

re: #224 rwdflynavy

Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, who runs the Angry Left Daily Kos blog, had this to say in a post yesterday about the murders of four American contractors who were helping to deliver food in Fallujah, Iraq:

Every death should be on the front page

Let the people see what war is like. This isn't an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush's folly.

That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries [sic]. They aren't in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

They have lots of absurd opinions. I haven't caught them falsifying
factual reports. Perhaps I would if I could read Kos more, but their format
breaks my head.

230 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:55:21pm

re: #228 Ben Hur

The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies?

Yes they are.

231 filetandrelease  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:56:19pm

Me thinks about 9 tonight I will be tipping a Guiness.

232 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:56:49pm

re: #228 Ben Hur

The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies?

Yep! One of the many odd things about the paper.

233 Girth  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:57:04pm

re: #227 Big Steve

Obama's speech was adequate however some loser president in the past was able to accomplish the same in three sentences...

I've always loved the part in Saving Private Ryan where the general reads that letter.

234 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #195 Cato the Elder

"Noo-kyew-luhr." So intelligent.

Look up the pronounciations of nuclear, dip.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you.

Though disapproved of by many, pronunciations ending in -kyə-lər have been found in widespread use among educated speakers including scientists, lawyers, professors, congressmen, United States cabinet members, and at least two United States presidents and one vice president. While most common in the United States, these pronunciations have also been heard from British and Canadian speakers.
235 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:57:13pm

I had just moved to DC in 2002 when the sniper shootings started. Completely random and terrifying. It's a mistake to take life for granted anyway, but when it can be ended at any moment while walking through a gas station or through the parking lot to your car it takes on added emphasis. These guys operately freely for 3 weeks. Three weeks that felt like a decade.

Oh, and people -- wait for it -- trotted out the PTSD defense.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Defense attorneys and some supporters say Muhammad is mentally ill, and suffered post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) during his service in the first Gulf War.

To be perfectly frank, I hope the little cowardly rodent cries before the end.

236 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:58:05pm

re: #231 filetandrelease

Me thinks about 9 tonight I will be tipping a Guiness.

I plan to get fitshaced tonight, but for completely different reasons.

237 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #235 Diamond Bullet

I had just moved to DC in 2002 when the sniper shootings started. Completely random and terrifying. It's a mistake to take life for granted anyway, but when it can be ended at any moment while walking through a gas station or through the parking lot to your car it takes on added emphasis. These guys operately freely for 3 weeks. Three weeks that felt like a decade.

Oh, and people -- wait for it -- trotted out the PTSD defense.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

To be perfectly frank, I hope the little cowardly rodent cries before the end.

I wouldn't be heart-broken if he fouled himself and broke into a cold sweat, either.

238 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

They have lots of absurd opinions. I haven't caught them falsifying
factual reports. Perhaps I would if I could read Kos more, but their format
breaks my head.

Let me try to get my head around this, you say "I trust a transcript from Kos more than a video from Fox" and you admit that "They have lots of absurd opinions" but you "haven't caught them falsifying
factual reports" but perhaps you should "read Kos more."

Your logic "breaks my head."

239 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:58:23pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

re: #232 Guanxi88

That's interesting.

They were considered a cult when I was a pupa.

240 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:59:10pm

re: #239 Ben Hur

re: #232 Guanxi88

That's interesting.

They were considered a cult when I was a pupa.

They still are.

241 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:59:39pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I plan to get fitshaced tonight, but for completely different reasons.

Unclench.

242 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:59:44pm

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

My link was eaten, so here it is again:

Nuclear

243 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:59:45pm

re: #231 filetandrelease

Me thinks about 9 tonight I will be tipping a Guiness.

I hear over and over from the pro-capital punishment faction that it's not about revenge, it's about punishment.

Me wonders?

244 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:01:15pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

I hear over and over from the pro-capital punishment faction that it's not about revenge, it's about punishment.

Me wonders?

Revenge is private; capital punishment is the act of the polity. Very different.

And in any event, a sort of public revenge is not necessarily a bad thing - it's a wholly human, even noble, sentiment.

245 Kragar  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:01:17pm

re: #241 Ben Hur

Unclench.

Marine Corps Birthday.

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:01:30pm

re: #189 webevintage

gotta pay the ferryman...

"Grandma? What was those coins over Grandpa's eyes?"
"To pay his way 'cross the river Jordon, honey."
"I sure hope Grandpa can swim. Cause, I stole 'em."

247 jayzee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:01:30pm

See, I am against the death penalty. Not in theory but in practice. This guy deserves to be killed and is one of the examples of when the penalty is called for. Nonetheless, intellectually I guess (because it isn't emotional), I am torn.

248 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:01:41pm

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

Yes me too...also the original was sent to a Mrs Bixby but it turned out that she only lost two sons...one deserted, one returned after the war and one absconded to parts unknown. Also she was a confederate sympathizer (living in Boson) so she tossed the original.

249 charlz  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:02:01pm

re: #239 Ben Hur

probably still true;
from Wikipedia

"In 2002 Moon, who has said that he is the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ and is fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission, said: "The Washington Times is responsible to let the American people know about God." and "The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world." "

250 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:03:24pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Let me try to get my head around this, you say "I trust a transcript from Kos more than a video from Fox" and you admit that "They have lots of absurd opinions" but you "haven't caught them falsifying
factual reports" but perhaps you should "read Kos more."

Your logic "breaks my head."

An opinion is individual and unverifiable, a transcript should be a verbatim
record of a real-world statement. That's the parallel to the "video".
I didn't say I "should" read it more, only that I can't read it comfortably.
At this point we are starting to talk about people instead of ideas.

251 Girth  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:04:56pm

re: #248 Big Steve

Yes me too...also the original was sent to a Mrs Bixby but it turned out that she only lost two sons...one deserted, one returned after the war and one absconded to parts unknown. Also she was a confederate sympathizer (living in Boson) so she tossed the original.

Really? Never heard those little tid-bits before. Interesting.

252 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:06:33pm

re: #228 Ben Hur

The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies?

yup

253 Izzy Dunne  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:06:45pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Don't prisons have grave-yards?

They also have mystery-meat Thursdays in the cafeteria...

254 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:07:13pm

re: #249 charlz

The Moonies also run Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.

255 oh_dude  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:08:47pm

The had a show about hunting these guys down on Discovery last night. It's funny how quickly we forget the terror these two people spread across the country. Sadly, terrorism works.

They didn't talk about the prequel of how this all happened, but does anybody know why John Allen Muhammad changed his name? He converted to Islam right? Just want to get my facts straight.

Another (ex) member of the military converting to a radical ideology? Where have I heard that before?

256 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:11:10pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

I hear over and over from the pro-capital punishment faction that it's not about revenge, it's about punishment.

Me wonders?

I've never understood that argument. If I were a survivor, or spouse or relative or friend of a victim of someone sentenced to die for whatever they did, it would be all about revenge. Punishment is pointless - whatever they may learn from the procedure is going to leave this world in the very next instant. Revenge is the only justification for the death penalty, frankly, that makes any sense at all, giving the satisfaction of seeing the perpetrator suffer and die to those left behind.

Note that I'm generally not in favor of the death penalty (although I'm not completely opposed to it, either) - it's just that revenge strikes me as a cogent, reasonable justification for it, unlike some others.

257 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:18:10pm

re: #247 jayzee

See, I am against the death penalty. Not in theory but in practice. This guy deserves to be killed and is one of the examples of when the penalty is called for. Nonetheless, intellectually I guess (because it isn't emotional), I am torn.

I would have no problem with it in cases where guilt it 100% certain. Today's case, and the case of the shooter at Ft. Hood, strike me as good examples of this - there is absolutely no question in either instance of who pulled the trigger.

Unfortunately, it is far more common to see cases that are nowhere near so clear cut. And far, far worse are those cases where the innocent die as a result of all manner of incompetence and outright fraud and perjury. The recent horror show in Illinois, and the ongoing reversal of convictions nationwide thanks to DNA testing, is a chilling testimony to just how capricious and wrong this sentence often is.

In theory, then, I have no problems with it. In practice, however, the system doesn't work anywhere near well enough to justify it. Far, far too many mistakes have been made and it is reasonable to conclude that far too many innocent people have been put to death to allow it except in the most sharply defined and rare cases.

258 crashnburn  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:20:02pm

As someone who had to deal with the paralysis this a**hole made for our everyday life in the DC region - heck, I even regularly use the Manassas, VA gas station where one of his victims was slain - I can tell you no one here seems to be against his imminent demise.

I'm miffed it has taken this long to kill this garbage. Glad we could waste tax dollars on feeding him. At least he saved us money on the trial with his "I'll defend myself" defense play.

His sidekick is probably wishing he was being offed too. His punishment is probably worse as I am certain a few of the inmates at his prison have taken real good "care" of him...

259 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:20:51pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Don't prisons have grave-yards?

Some do. Mostly, though, remains not claimed are turned over to the county the facility is located in and disposed of however other unclaimed bodies or paupers are, typically either in a community-owned cemetery or in plots reserved for the purpose at private ones.

260 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:24:03pm

re: #258 crashnburn

As someone who had to deal with the paralysis this a**hole made for our everyday life in the DC region - heck, I even regularly use the Manassas, VA gas station where one of his victims was slain - I can tell you no one here seems to be against his imminent demise.

I'm miffed it has taken this long to kill this garbage. Glad we could waste tax dollars on feeding him. At least he saved us money on the trial with his "I'll defend myself" defense play.

His sidekick is probably wishing he was being offed too. His punishment is probably worse as I am certain a few of the inmates at his prison have taken real good "care" of him...

Actually, we were remarking at work today over the extreme speed with which this went from sentencing to final disposition. Seven years is very fast, indeed, to exhaust all portions of the appeals process. In the past, it wasn't unusual for the condemned to spend decades awaiting their execution, in many cases outliving the families of their victims. This was partly responsible for the extensive streamlining of the process that has taken place over the last ten years or so

261 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:26:39pm

John Allen Muhammed- we are richer for having lost you.

262 jayzee  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:27:10pm

re: #257 SixDegrees

I would have no problem with it in cases where guilt it 100% certain. Today's case, and the case of the shooter at Ft. Hood, strike me as good examples of this - there is absolutely no question in either instance of who pulled the trigger.

Unfortunately, it is far more common to see cases that are nowhere near so clear cut. And far, far worse are those cases where the innocent die as a result of all manner of incompetence and outright fraud and perjury. The recent horror show in Illinois, and the ongoing reversal of convictions nationwide thanks to DNA testing, is a chilling testimony to just how capricious and wrong this sentence often is.

In theory, then, I have no problems with it. In practice, however, the system doesn't work anywhere near well enough to justify it. Far, far too many mistakes have been made and it is reasonable to conclude that far too many innocent people have been put to death to allow it except in the most sharply defined and rare cases.

In truth that isn't even it for me, though another example of its flaws. What changed my mind, was the OJ case. I was really troubled by the prosecution's decision not to seek out the death penalty because they felt his fame and popularity would prevent a conviction. I thought, rich and famous people don't get death? How is that justice? How can I support a penalty reserved almost exclusively for the poor and/or unpopular?

263 crashnburn  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:33:27pm

re: #260 SixDegrees

Actually, we were remarking at work today over the extreme speed with which this went from sentencing to final disposition. Seven years is very fast, indeed, to exhaust all portions of the appeals process. In the past, it wasn't unusual for the condemned to spend decades awaiting their execution, in many cases outliving the families of their victims. This was partly responsible for the extensive streamlining of the process that has taken place over the last ten years or so

Oh, I agree it was "fast" by normal standards.

Still miffed about my tax money feeding this piece of crap. An awful big reason for this speed has been JAM's mishandling of his own defense. After all the terror he reigned upon us, he brought a knife to a gun fight in the court and lost quick and hard. His plan, as stupid as it was, was far too well planned out to cop an insanity plea here in the late going.

264 filetandrelease  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:37:43pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope all is well.

265 filetandrelease  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:39:30pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

I hear over and over from the pro-capital punishment faction that it's not about revenge, it's about punishment.

Me wonders?

Makes little difference in the end. A little of both is ok by me.

266 Perplexed  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:08:31pm

He won't be a repeat offender - ever.

His carbon footprint will pretty much go to zero.

Lethal injection is a whole lot less painful than being drawn and quartered.

267 Pythagoras  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:04:04pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

The Moonies also run Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.

?? There must be a joke in there somewhere.

268 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 3:29:50pm
269 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:13:10pm

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

Look up the pronounciations of nuclear, dip.

I don't take orders from Yoopers, honorary or no, being from the Lower Peninsula myself.

And I'm not a dip. I'm a dipstick.

270 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 4:16:44pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

And to you, henceforth, I'm "Mister Dipstick".

271 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

sharmuta -

As a general rule, I will accept life without parole as an "Ultimate Punishment" - considering what the appeal process costs. In THIS Case, "Rather Than Rule the Waves" - I am ready to "Waive the Rules."
Give Governor Kaine HIS Props for refusing to weasel out of this Execution.
What I remember MOST is the killing of that African American Bus Driver, for NO REASON - let me be, for a moment, a "Brave Jihadi" - an African American Nationalist - and excuse the other shootings/deaths. Yes, let me be a TWISTED S.O.B. like Muhammad. "'Splain-Lucy" - if you will - that one - John Alan Muhammad - Allah will NOT be pleased, as to "Ha-Shem" -fuhggedabouddit!
John - You are Now Dead - START 'SPLAININ'
That is all.

-S-

272 jones  Tue, Nov 10, 2009 6:26:01pm

Pronounced dead at 9:11 pm.


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