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The President's eulogy couldn't have been much better. It was personalized for each one of these fine Americans, and spoke to the best ideals of our country. I hope the families will be comforted by his words, as all of America has their thoughts and prayers with them but we lack the means to tell them so. He was a voice to speak to them for us, and I think he did very well.
As far as Obama, I think he did a pretty good job. I've watched it twice now and couldn't really find anything to fault him for. The line about how no faith could justify these actions was pretty good, he didn't completely duck the issue of this being at least somewhat the fault of religious zealotry. He said what needed to be said without giving those who are already overreacting towards all Muslims in general more ammunition.
The right wing is going to go nuts because he didn't use the words "Islam" or "muslim".
It was a good speech but sadly that's going to be the spin.
Well, I think the family members are probably still in the "grief" stage, so I don't think the point of the speech was to assign blame. It's just honoring the fallen soldiers, and nothing more. The minefield will be in the weeks ahead, not now.
Well, what I meant to say is, any sane members of the "left" or the "right" will understand that. So I don't think there will be so much backlash for the Islam omission. At least not yet.
The President's eulogy couldn't have been much better. It was personalized for each one of these fine Americans, and spoke to the best ideals of our country. I hope the families will be comforted by his words, as all of America has their thoughts and prayers with them but we lack the means to tell them so. He was a voice to speak to them for us, and I think he did very well.
What from their previous writings has given you reason to believe that?
Commentary's position on Israel and the Arab world is predicated on over half a century of terror and state sponsored and institutionalized bigotry, racism and hate that has cost the lives of many, many thousands.
That is not germane to what is happening here at this point in time.
And really, this is a nightmare of an issue to deal with. Because even if you do single out Islam and jihad as one of the primary motivators, what do you do next? Kick the Muslims out of the military? Put them under surveillance? Make them sign some sort of pledge? I would never advocate any of those, but are things still fine just the way they are?
I'm just glad we haven't had anything like this in Australia.
While Matthews was being deliberately obtuse I think he was harping on a good point. We have a real legal quagmire when it comes to crimes that relate to philosophy or emotion. I personally am opposed to hate crimes legislation because it prioritizes one type of murder over another. If you intentionally kill another human being then you have committed murder (barring assisted suicide IMO). Why should it matter your reason? The same holds true with the issue of terrorism. How do we say that an act is inherently one of terror. We can't be a nation of thought-police so we must be a nation of action police.
That being said, attempting to contact Al Qaeda should definitely draw more attention than it did here. What a royal f--k-up by the FBI & Army.
Honest to fucking god, can we save the insipid little 'gotchya' games, strawmen and partisan sniping for another fucking thread?
Anybody who'd been paying attention for the last 18 months knows I'm not a fan of the man and Lord knows President Obama screwed the pooch badly in the immediate aftermath of the shootings- I said as much last week. I'm still waiting for the video to load, so I'm hoping he's managed to offset that with a decent address today.
And really, this is a nightmare of an issue to deal with. Because even if you do single out Islam and jihad as one of the primary motivators, what do you do next? Kick the Muslims out of the military? Put them under surveillance? Make them sign some sort of pledge? I would never advocate any of those, but are things still fine just the way they are?
I'm just glad we haven't had anything like this in Australia.
Religious fanaticism is not only a Muslim phenomena.
There may be a lot of of it, but that is because millions are being manipulated to serve a broken and dysfunctional political agendas.
When 'religious' leaders are paid by the state to serve the state, well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know things are going to turn out badly for everyone.
Honest to fucking god, can we save the insipid little 'gotchya' games, strawmen and partisan sniping for another fucking thread?
Anybody who'd been paying attention for the last 18 months knows I'm not a fan of the man and Lord knows President Obama screwed the pooch badly in the immediate aftermath of the shootings- I said as much last week. I'm still waiting for the video to load, so I'm hoping he's managed to offset that with a decent address today.
One cannot begin to compare Obama's reactions to those of Bush on 9/11, one was truly an isolated incident with a single gunman, the other ws a major plot involving hijacked airliners and thousands of victims.
While Matthews was being deliberately obtuse I think he was harping on a good point. We have a real legal quagmire when it comes to crimes that relate to philosophy or emotion. I personally am opposed to hate crimes legislation because it prioritizes one type of murder over another. If you intentionally kill another human being then you have committed murder (barring assisted suicide IMO). Why should it matter your reason? The same holds true with the issue of terrorism. How do we say that an act is inherently one of terror. We can't be a nation of thought-police so we must be a nation of action police.
That being said, attempting to contact Al Qaeda should definitely draw more attention than it did here. What a royal f--k-up by the FBI & Army.
I agree on all points...this could have been prevented, not by trying to get into his head, his behavior was certainly enough to provoke action of some sort...there is no stopping these guys if they don't want to be stopped
Honest to fucking god, can we save the insipid little 'gotchya' games, strawmen and partisan sniping for another fucking thread?
Anybody who'd been paying attention for the last 18 months knows I'm not a fan of the man and Lord knows President Obama screwed the pooch badly in the immediate aftermath of the shootings- I said as much last week. I'm still waiting for the video to load, so I'm hoping he's managed to offset that with a decent address today.
nice little blogette you have there bro...and a well said post
And really, this is a nightmare of an issue to deal with. Because even if you do single out Islam and jihad as one of the primary motivators, what do you do next? Kick the Muslims out of the military? Put them under surveillance? Make them sign some sort of pledge? I would never advocate any of those, but are things still fine just the way they are?
I'm just glad we haven't had anything like this in Australia.
So did the military ignore the warning signs out of an atmosphere of "oppressive political correctness" or were there other motives, like not wanting to let the fellow out of the military because they are short-handed and had already invested an education in this fellow?
Page not loading here, but I suppose that is about the Cronulla riots. I think there was a great deal of anger about gangs mixed in there with the racism, but yes... it was pretty disgusting all the same. I'm just glad there weren't so many hurt. Who knows what would have happened if guns were introduced into the mix.
Really uncalled for. Our President today, as was with our President then, did the best he could and I was proud of them both. How tacky of you.
I meant that one cannot begin to compare the situations. OPbama handled it just fine. I was responding to charges from certain critics on how Obama responded to the shootings when he heard of them, I guess they were upset that he did not get more worked up over it or something.
Very well spoken by the President. Grave and somber as it should be. I especially appreciated his personally mentioning each name of those who were murdered. It couldn't have been done better.
Page not loading here, but I suppose that is about the Cronulla riots. I think there was a great deal of anger about gangs mixed in there with the racism, but yes... it was pretty disgusting all the same. I'm just glad there weren't so many hurt. Who knows what would have happened if guns were introduced into the mix.
yep - was about Cronulla. it was a complicated issue but there are some nasty characters hanging around there.
I meant that one cannot begin to compare the situations. OPbama handled it just fine. I was responding to charges from certain critics on how Obama responded to the shootings when he heard of them, I guess they were upset that he did not get more worked up over it or something.
his initial response was not so good...obviously the guy needs to be prepped before speaking
in the remarks that will probably make the evening news tonight, the president also took a moment to reflect on the man responsible for the slayings: "It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy. But this much we do know -- no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice -- in this world, and the next."
And most importantly, Obama also took time to identify each of the victims from the massacre, taking a moment to note their life, family, and legacy. "Neither this country -- nor the values that we were founded upon -- could exist without men and women like these thirteen Americans. And that is why we must pay tribute to their stories."
You make an interesting point: the Armed Forces have already begun to lower their standards of education and the extent of a previous criminal record that they are willing to accept in order to keep recruitment levels up.
And I fear that some of the reasoning is that they did not want to set a precedent for devout Islamists or other religious believers who had joined the military who "changed their minds" about serving and requested to leave, even, in this case, if he paid for his education.
These are all things that will have to come out of an army and FBI investigation, which will be serious blog-fodder for some time to come...
Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic is having a come to Obama moment:
"I guarantee: they'll be teaching this one in rhetoric classes. It was that good. My gloss won't do it justice. Yes, I'm having a Chris Matthews-chill-running-up-my-leg moment, but sometimes, the man, the moment and the words come together and meet the challenge. Obama had to lead a nation's grieving; he had to try and address the thorny issues of Islam and terrorism; to be firm; to express the spirit of America, using familiar, comforting tropes in a way that didn't sound trite."
Here's Chuck Todd:
"That's going to be a speech that's remembered and quoted from for quite some time; struck a balance of commander and consoler; not easy."
I have to say I thought it was near perfect. Mentioning every victim by name and talking about them especially-- I'm really glad he did that.
And really, this is a nightmare of an issue to deal with. Because even if you do single out Islam and jihad as one of the primary motivators, what do you do next? Kick the Muslims out of the military? Put them under surveillance? Make them sign some sort of pledge? I would never advocate any of those, but are things still fine just the way they are?
I'm just glad we haven't had anything like this in Australia.
It's not the entire religion, it's the fundamentalism. And that should apply to all religions equally as that's where you find the zealotry. It's not religious moderates who go out and kill in the name of their faith, it's the extreme.
Honest to fucking god, can we save the insipid little 'gotchya' games, strawmen and partisan sniping for another fucking thread?
Anybody who'd been paying attention for the last 18 months knows I'm not a fan of the man and Lord knows President Obama screwed the pooch badly in the immediate aftermath of the shootings- I said as much last week. I'm still waiting for the video to load, so I'm hoping he's managed to offset that with a decent address today.
That is fair. But, speaking as someone from Fort Hood, today he said exactly what a President should.
Fucking asshole...I thought the gun control people would be smart enough to not touch this one. What the fucking hell does Croney Prince Daley reccomend?
Soldiers not be able to purchase their own firearms?
US Army bases declared 'gun-free' zones?
Muslism serving in the military not eligible to purchase firearms?
Mind, you, this translates into saying that the moral message of Islam is exactly what Soman wants it to be. Which is fine: with so much room for "interpretation," religious speech is essentially meaningless. It can be whatever a group of the faithful interprets it to mean.
Islam would then become an incoherent set of moral intuitions wrapped up in supernatural endorsements. That is also fine. It would be even better if the faithful then also kept their supernatural stuff out of serious intellectual enterprises such as science. That's too much to ask for, but still, I can only welcome whatever goes against the notion of a clearly identifiable "Islam."
Please remember: Islam is not Islamism, Christianity is not Dominionism or Inquisition, Judaism is not Zionism.
If we cannot learn this lesson then we will have learned nothing from these deaths.
Careful where you make analogies ralphieboy. Zionism is not, in and of itself, extreme. Some people build off it to justify extreme actions but it is not inherently radical.
Fucking asshole...I thought the gun control people would be smart enough to not touch this one. What the fucking hell does Croney Prince Daley reccomend?
Soldiers not be able to purchase their own firearms?
US Army bases declared 'gun-free' zones?
Muslism serving in the military not eligible to purchase firearms?
did you read some of the comments?..."does he blame 9/11 on airplanes?"
Careful where you make analogies ralphieboy. Zionism is not, in and of itself, extreme. Some people build off it to justify extreme actions but it is not inherently radical.
I mean that Islamism, Dominionism and Zionism are political movements that are based on religious faiths, but not all adherents of those faiths are not necessarily adherents of the political movements.
And really, this is a nightmare of an issue to deal with. Because even if you do single out Islam and jihad as one of the primary motivators, what do you do next? Kick the Muslims out of the military? Put them under surveillance? Make them sign some sort of pledge? I would never advocate any of those, but are things still fine just the way they are?
I'm just glad we haven't had anything like this in Australia.
You've had no mass shootings by crazed jihadists, certainly. But IIRC you did have problems with Lebanese "youths" who felt they had religious license to rape the infidel women in Australia. Was anything ever done about that? Back in 2005, creeping sharia in Australia was apparently at such a point that Peter Costello felt compelled to say this:
If you are somebody who wants to live in an Islamic state governed by sharia law you are not going to be happy in Australia, because Australia is not an Islamic state, will never be an Islamic state and will never be governed by sharia law. We are a secular state under our constitution, our law is made by parliament elected in democratic elections. We do not derive our laws from religious instruction. There are Islamic states around the world that practise sharia law and if that’s your object you may well be much more at home in such a country than trying to turn Australia into one of those countries, because it’s not going to happen.
that is a fair & correct point. Sorry for getting touchy - I just am not a fan of seeing Zionism thrown in with Islamism. I think it's also worth noting that a foundational principal of Islamism is violence - the violent overthrow of the infidel - whereas violence is not inherent to Zionism (though some have, sadly, incorporated it in their actions).
Fucking asshole...I thought the gun control people would be smart enough to not touch this one. What the fucking hell does Croney Prince Daley reccomend?
Soldiers not be able to purchase their own firearms?
US Army bases declared 'gun-free' zones?
Muslism serving in the military not eligible to purchase firearms?
This thread reminds me of what a great country we live in. Many that made positive comments don't care for the POTUS's policies, nor some for the man, but when it counts, you stand with him as our leader. Let no country take our freedom to criticize our leaders as a sign of weakness to attack. Next thread we can piss and moan about the right and left, but it's nice to see the wagons circle up on occasion.
This thread reminds me of what a great country we live in. Many that made positive comments don't care for the POTUS's policies, nor some for the man, but when it counts, you stand with him as our leader. Let no country take our freedom to criticize our leaders as a sign of weakness to attack. Next thread we can piss and moan about the right and left, but it's nice to see the wagons circle up on occasion.
I suppose SFGoth is on a different wagon train. hope the indians get 'em...
This thread reminds me of what a great country we live in. Many that made positive comments don't care for the POTUS's policies, nor some for the man, but when it counts, you stand with him as our leader. Let no country take our freedom to criticize our leaders as a sign of weakness to attack. Next thread we can piss and moan about the right and left, but it's nice to see the wagons circle up on occasion.
Well written and well delivered. There are certain moments when the President needs to rise above the partisan internal politics of his nation and offer words of comfort and inspiration. Obama did that today.
...now if only he were better in some other areas...
That Psalm is quoted in the New Testament as referring to Judas. That overtone is intentional when people in the Christian right cite it referring to Obama - when I was a young teen in the Clinton era, they (and I, not knowing any better) did it too.
And oh, big shame on people talking about what the "crazy right wing" is saying or any of that other nonsense. None of that shit matters at this moment in time.
that is a fair & correct point. Sorry for getting touchy - I just am not a fan of seeing Zionism thrown in with Islamism. I think it's also worth noting that a foundational principal of Islamism is violence - the violent overthrow of the infidel - whereas violence is not inherent to Zionism (though some have, sadly, incorporated it in their actions).
It's funny that all the ideals of these movements stem from their religions: a world living in peace in harmony under God (or Allah), a Jewish nation living in safety, etc.
But when the message gets mixed up with political realities, they start getting violent and feel the need to kill "infidels", abortionists and political leaders whom they see as "compromising their secirity": Yassir Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin come to mind.
And oh, big shame on people talking about what the "crazy right wing" is saying or any of that other nonsense. None of that shit matters at this moment in time.
Please remember: Islam is not Islamism, Christianity is not Dominionism or Inquisition, Judaism is not Zionism.
If we cannot learn this lesson then we will have learned nothing from these deaths.
Would you please learn the difference between Zionism which seeks only to support the State of Israel and jewish extremist groups like Kach or Kahane. That is the second time you have equated Zionists with terrorist organizations, it was incorrect the first time and it is still incorrect now.
that is a fair & correct point. Sorry for getting touchy - I just am not a fan of seeing Zionism thrown in with Islamism. I think it's also worth noting that a foundational principal of Islamism is violence - the violent overthrow of the infidel - whereas violence is not inherent to Zionism (though some have, sadly, incorporated it in their actions).
Zionism motivating principle was survival, whereas the original impetus of Islam was conquest. Violence has its place in both projects: the Muslims to conquer, the Jews to survive.
I looked it up and I cannot tell you how much that bumper sticker is very tricky in a bad way.
I pray for Obama's well being.
Also, there are people who have called for imprecatory prayer against Obama: that is, exhorting others to pray that he dies.
Pastor Asks God to Smite President Obama
I knew how FBV read it, which even I will admit is funny! But there is this other meaning which is absolutely intended, unfortunately.
Zionism motivating principle was survival, whereas the original impetus of Islam was conquest. Violence has its place in both projects: the Muslims to conquer, the Jews to survive.
well they are gone now, and that part is over...I should think that in time, their lives will be celebrated with fun stories and fond memories...they will be remembered for their successes and their achievements and the way they affected the lives of those around them...I salute them all...drink!
say what you want...our local Applebees back home had like three pictures of my boy on the wall, football pics, big catches and hard tackles...we used to go in there just to see his pictures...of course there were many other highschool players up there as well
I can't believe this nonsense that I'm not allowed to doubt a far Lefty's sincerity over an incident like this. Wow. It's like reading the San Francisco Chronicle.
I didn't see it. I have a job. But I heard his original speech from the day it happened.
I forgot, when the CIC says shut up and fall in, all dissent stops.
Well maybe it's time to STFU until you watch and or read the speech. I have a job too but I found five minutes to read it and then a little later 15 to watch it. But hey, it's okay to just open your mouth and sound like an ass...
You realize the video of it is at the top of the page, right? So you don't really have an excuse. Why don't you try watching it and then telling us what was so bad about it?
I can't believe this nonsense that I'm not allowed to doubt a far Lefty's sincerity over an incident like this. Wow. It's like reading the San Francisco Chronicle.
Well since you neither watched nor read the speech then what are you doubting?
You're just being ignorant. And frankly, you're being disrespectful to the soldiers he talked about by name who gave their lives.
I can't believe this nonsense that I'm not allowed to doubt a far Lefty's sincerity over an incident like this. Wow. It's like reading the San Francisco Chronicle.
I can't believe this nonsense that I'm not allowed to doubt a far Lefty's sincerity over an incident like this. Wow. It's like reading the San Francisco Chronicle.
questioning BOs sincerity is a dead end...maybe he was maybe he wasn't and you are allowed to think what you want...just say it, but it's still a dead end
When Fox or Rush does the best they can to deride this speech, the thought that will go through my mind, is "who really cares about the fallen?" Is it the president who spoke eloquently about fallen Americans, or the tasteless media jackals who would use the dead for a smear campaign?
I can't believe this nonsense that I'm not allowed to doubt a far Lefty's sincerity over an incident like this. Wow. It's like reading the San Francisco Chronicle.
You can doubt whatever you want. We can downding whatever we want.
When Fox or Rush does the best they can to deride this speech, the thought that will go through my mind, is "who really cares about the fallen?" Is it the president who spoke eloquently about fallen Americans, or the tasteless media jackals who would use the dead for a smear campaign?
you are making stuff up...designing a scenario...don't look for trouble
I can't believe this nonsense that I'm not allowed to doubt a far Lefty's sincerity over an incident like this. Wow. It's like reading the San Francisco Chronicle.
I can't believe this nonsense that I'm not allowed to doubt a far Lefty's sincerity over an incident like this. Wow.
You're perfectly entitled to doubt his sincerity, but you'll have a better time engaging in conversation over it if you based it on something other than 'he's a lefty, therefore I hate him' . Like for example bothering to read or watch the speech before assuming he's not sincere.
I mean that Islamism, Dominionism and Zionism are political movements that are based on religious faiths, but not all adherents of those faiths are not necessarily adherents of the political movements.
Would you please learn the difference between Zionism which seeks only to support the State of Israel and jewish extremist groups like Kach or Kahane. That is the second time you have equated Zionists with terrorist organizations, it was incorrect the first time and it is still incorrect now.
Zionism motivating principle was survival, whereas the original impetus of Islam was conquest. Violence has its place in both projects: the Muslims to conquer, the Jews to survive.
I'll add that Zionism has a very strong tradition of secularism and even atheism. It's a nationalist movement.
A Marine reservist armed with a tire iron beat and chased a man he thought was an Arab terrorist and even called 911 to say he was detaining the man, police said.
But the man he assaulted was actually a Greek Orthodox priest visiting from overseas who spoke limited English, police said.
When Fox or Rush does the best they can to deride this speech, the thought that will go through my mind, is "who really cares about the fallen?" Is it the president who spoke eloquently about fallen Americans, or the tasteless media jackals who would use the dead for a smear campaign?
I can guarantee that the wingnut double-axel-reverse manuveur will be employed, and we will hear about how Obama somehow didn't display the appropriate patriotism or reverence for the troops, or otherwise "made it a photo-op, made it about him'.
Someone in Greater Wingnuttia is probably counting the occurences of the letter 'i' in the transcript as I type.
I can guarantee that the wingnut double-axel-reverse manuveur will be employed, and we will hear about how Obama somehow didn't display the appropriate patriotism or reverence for the troops, or otherwise "made it a photo-op, made it about him'.
Someone in Greater Wingnuttia is probably counting the occurences of the letter 'i' in the transcript as I type.
If I ever meet you, and offer to buy you a drink? It is just a small way that I can thank you.
Let me put it this way, if you knew of my service and offered to buy me a drink, I would certainly accept and thank you for the gesture. Everyone I know that I have ever served with deeply appreciate even a simple "Thank you." But almost none of them would go seeking it for their own gratification or validation.
It just makes me feel a little weird to try and "get" something for my service.
We'll see what they say. I would hope to be wrong in this case.
why does it matter what they say?...let them die on the vine...I'm not interested in the media, so I guess I don't count...there is way to much focus on those assholes so I do my part by ignoring them...when you get into hypothetical situations you are way out there...with respect
Boy, talk about your bad moves. Beating a priest because you think he's an Arab. That's a two-fer if ever I saw one. Get retribution from the Almighty and the secular authorities for that kinda crap.
You don't have to look any farther than the current Townhall article comments to find the winghatenuts in full glory. They're addicted to the emotional rush of anger that goes with hate, and they will not stop.
As for the big names... I suspect they will lay low on commenting on this eulogy.
Thank you Mr. President...Your kind words for our Soldiers and comfort for the families is very much welcomed..
{Hoops} He did great, didn't he? We've seen so many pictures of him with his daughters and visiting with other kids, it's hard not to imagine he was able to bring that ability to connect with people to Fort Hood today, and comfort the families and later the victims still in the hospital. I do hope they all know how much all of America is holding them close in our thoughts and prayers. Hope you and yours are good tonight.
You don't have to look any farther than the current Townhall article comments to find the winghatenuts in full glory. They're addicted to the emotional rush of anger that goes with hate, and they will not stop.
As for the big names... I suspect they will lay low on commenting on this eulogy.
Let the beasts rage away. Their spleens need venting, maybe. Better they post it online than kick the dog when they get home.
While getting " my ears lowered " at the local barbershop today, the barber told me that as a vet I could get 10% off at the local building supply store today and tomorrow. I do not know if this chain store is the only one giving the discount or if all the stores in the chain are doing so.
It is good that the vets are now starting to get the respect they should have always had.
While getting " my ears lowered " at the local barbershop today, the barber told me that as a vet I could get 10% off at the local building supply store today and tomorrow. I do not know if this chain store is the only one giving the discount or if all the stores in the chain are doing so.
It is good that the vets are now starting to get the respect they should have always had.
Never known for missing an opportunity to lower the opinion in which he holds himself, and unafraid to do damage to his reputation with others, ploughs straight ahead into a quasi-blasphemous joke about aggravated assault on a man of the cloth.
You don't have to look any farther than the current Townhall article comments to find the winghatenuts in full glory. They're addicted to the emotional rush of anger that goes with hate, and they will not stop.
As for the big names... I suspect they will lay low on commenting on this eulogy.
You're probably right. It will be the real bottom feeders doing it.
Consequently it's no surprise to see that Robert Spencer is characterising the eulogy as 'Obama running interference for Islamic jihad."
I haven't had the strength to go look at comment sections on this anywhere. The real haters will be popping out.
Please remember: Islam is not Islamism, Christianity is not Dominionism or Inquisition, Judaism is not Zionism.
If we cannot learn this lesson then we will have learned nothing from these deaths.
Excuse me but Zionism does not seek to convert the world to Judaism> Zionism actually can be quite secular. Do not adopt the leftwing and the paleocon talking points regarding Zionism.
Jimmah...rumor has it that you tied the knot recently with another lizardoid...is that true or did I get the wrong person.
Iceweasel and Jimmah done got hitched...I disagree with both of them from time to time, but I'm happy for them. To many years of marital bliss, iceweasel and Jimmah...
You're probably right. It will be the real bottom feeders doing it.
Consequently it's no surprise to see that Robert Spencer is characterising the eulogy as 'Obama running interference for Islamic jihad."
I haven't had the strength to go look at comment sections on this anywhere. The real haters will be popping out.
Ice - congrats.
Why wade through that crap (Spenser, not relationships) if you don't have to? I used to check out democratic underground til it made me crazy. Just left them to themselves, and felt a lot better about things.
The Wife and I watched President Obama's speech and we were both proud of him and moved. However, Mrs Big Steve commented that to her Obama managing the military makes her uneasy like "a toddler brandishing a power tool."
According to the article, this master of counter-intelligence works as sales manager at a pharmacy (though probably not for long).
A few years ago, we had a picture of orange-clad Basque spectators giving Lance Armstrong the finger during the Tour de France (orange is the Basque national color). In my joke caption, I called them "escaped Guantanamo detainees." This idiot would probably think that for real.
Excuse me but Zionism does not seek to convert the world to Judaism> Zionism actually can be quite secular. Do not adopt the leftwing and the paleocon talking points regarding Zionism.
I think ralphie has a touch of troll. Kind of like you have a stink of sock.
Why wade through that crap (Spenser, not relationships) if you don't have to? I used to check out democratic underground til it made me crazy. Just left them to themselves, and felt a lot better about things.
Thanks Guanx!
Believe me, I don't wade through that on any kind of regular basis. He popped up on memeorandum. I'm kind of addicted to the meta-media.
I haven't had the strength to go look at comment sections on this anywhere. The real haters will be popping out.
Well, I did a quick check just now to take the temperature of the hate-corpse... There are a couple of real winners today on the current HotAir FBI-Hasan thread.
I would hope it would be enlightening to some people about how fringy various self proclaimed "right" wing blogs and their commenters have become... When a comment such as:
So far, Mr.Obama is enabling terrorism on conservative citizens, veterans, and active military troops AT HOME AND ABROAD.
pops up in comments (as the quoted text taken from the mentioned HA thread), one hopes reasonable thinking people see yellow flags go up.
Jimmah...rumor has it that you tied the knot recently with another lizardoid...is that true or did I get the wrong person.
It's true! Ice-ski and I are getting hitched next month :) We also plan on reproducing at an alarming rate. We calculate that within a mere 100 generations, our offspring could potentially dominate this solar system ;-)
It's true! Ice-ski and I are getting hitched next month :) We also plan on reproducing at an alarming rate. We calculate that within a mere 100 generations, our offspring could potentially dominate this solar system ;-)
It's true! Ice-ski and I are getting hitched next month :) We also plan on reproducing at an alarming rate. We calculate that within a mere 100 generations, our offspring could potentially dominate this solar system ;-)
Hell, I though y'all already got hitched! Anyways, good luck on the upcoming wedding!
Veterans Day has always felt odd to me. I'm a vet, but was never in a shooting war. People thank me for my service and all, but I hold the greatest respect for people at the sharp end of the spear who put their asses out there when the lead was flying. Sitting Nuclear Alert during the latter stages of the Cold War doesn't hold a candle to their bravery, valor, and sacrifice.
It's true! Ice-ski and I are getting hitched next month :) We also plan on reproducing at an alarming rate. We calculate that within a mere 100 generations, our offspring could potentially dominate this solar system ;-)
yeah, I saw a book about you guys:
"mimic human traits until gametogenesis begins. Consume all competing spawn."
pops up in comments (as the quoted text taken from the mentioned HA thread), one hopes reasonable thinking people see yellow flags go up.
also agreed. I understand that people get frustrated at conversation about 'the fringe right', or irritated at posts about the comments at places lke HotAir-- but it's very important and one hopes that reasonable thinking people are seeing why. These ideas and opinions aren't as fringey as we would like, and they're being increasingly pandered to. It's very important that there be posts at places like here shining a light onto what's happening.
I think ralphie has a touch of troll. Kind of like you have a stink of sock.
Lemme clear this up before we get start personal and get wound up over comparisons and distinctions: One can be a Moslem without being an Islamist, one can be a Jew without being a Zionist and one can be a Christian without being a Dominionist.
We must learn not to equate the religion with its corresponding "faith-based" political movement.
It's true! Ice-ski and I are getting hitched next month :) We also plan on reproducing at an alarming rate. We calculate that within a mere 100 generations, our offspring could potentially dominate this solar system ;-)
Well it's only fitting the first question out of their 2 year old is:
Mommy..Who was Ronald Reagan?
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Lemme clear this up before we get start personal and get wound up over comparisons and distinctions: One can be a Moslem without being an Islamist, one can be a Jew without being a Zionist and one can be a Christian without being a Dominionist.
We must learn not to equate the religion with its corresponding "faith-based" political movement.
You are STILL equating Zionism with radical religions.
Veterans Day has always felt odd to me. I'm a vet, but was never in a shooting war. People thank me for my service and all, but I hold the greatest respect for people at the sharp end of the spear who put their asses out there when the lead was flying. Sitting Nuclear Alert during the latter stages of the Cold War doesn't hold a candle to their bravery, valor, and sacrifice.
Bless them all.
my dad got his ass shot off in the Pacific with the Marines...it's just something that I've been awed with my whole life...it's some mystique for me
Lemme clear this up before we get start personal and get wound up over comparisons and distinctions: One can be a Moslem without being an Islamist, one can be a Jew without being a Zionist and one can be a Christian without being a Dominionist.
We must learn not to equate the religion with its corresponding "faith-based" political movement.
However, the converse is not true of all but Zionism. One cannot be an Islamist without being Muslim, and one cannot be a Dominionist without being a Christian, but one can be a Zionist without being a practicing Jew.
Lemme clear this up before we get start personal and get wound up over comparisons and distinctions: One can be a Moslem without being an Islamist, one can be a Jew without being a Zionist and one can be a Christian without being a Dominionist.
We must learn not to equate the religion with its corresponding "faith-based" political movement.
There is no equivalence between Judaism and Zionism and Islam and Islamism.
A Dominionist is a Christian who believes that the Word of God has precendence over human law and even the Constitution.
An Islamist believes the same of the Koran.
A Zionist believes that the Old Testament grants them the political claim to a particular territory of the Middle East.
I will get in trouble for metnioning the last topic in the same posting as the second, but i just can't leave it alone, it's cold here under the bridge...
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Dominionism describes, in several distinct ways, a tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States of America, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action—aiming either at a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.
Although dominionism is used in several distinct ways, the origin of most usage can be traced back to a specific passage in the King James Version of the Bible:
And God blessed [ Adam and Eve ] and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." —Genesis 1:28 (KJV)
Christians typically interpret this verse as meaning that God gave humankind responsibility over the Earth, but theologians do not all agree on the nature and extent of that "dominion".
A Dominionist is a Christian who believes that the Word of God has precendence over human law and even the Constitution.
An Islamist believes the same of the Koran.
A Zionist believes that the Old Testament grants them the political claim to a particular territory of the Middle East.
I will get in trouble for metnioning the last topic in the same posting as the second, but i just can't leave it alone, it's cold here under the bridge...
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Come on, man! Zionism is not based in the Hebrew bible. Not even close.
As far as Obama, I think he did a pretty good job. I've watched it twice now and couldn't really find anything to fault him for. The line about how no faith could justify these actions was pretty good, he didn't completely duck the issue of this being at least somewhat the fault of religious zealotry. He said what needed to be said without giving those who are already overreacting towards all Muslims in general more ammunition.
"already overreacting towards all Muslims in general"
Is there some general overreaction to Muslims happening? Is that a big problem?
Veterans Day has always felt odd to me. I'm a vet, but was never in a shooting war. People thank me for my service and all, but I hold the greatest respect for people at the sharp end of the spear who put their asses out there when the lead was flying. Sitting Nuclear Alert during the latter stages of the Cold War doesn't hold a candle to their bravery, valor, and sacrifice.
Bless them all.
How about those like me that were in a shooting war, but not really in any danger. I was on a big ass, air conditioned cruiser, behind 8 inches of armor plate, and the enemy had pea shooters. The in-country grunts were the real deal.
A Zionist believes that the Old Testament grants them the political claim to a particular territory of the Middle East.
I will get in trouble for metnioning the last topic in the same posting as the second, but i just can't leave it alone, it's cold here under the bridge...
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Ralphie, Zionism does not derive their claim to Israel because of the OT.
"descriptive or derogatory term alleging equivalence to a mass of jism or spunk spent in an act of intercourse; similar to jerkwad, except production is masturbatory."
How about those like me that were in a shooting war, but not really in any danger. I was on a big ass, air conditioned cruiser, behind 8 inches of armor plate, and the enemy had pea shooters. The in-country grunts were the real deal.
The ground-pounders thanked the gods of this and any other past, present, or future world for you guys at sea. Navy did a hell of a lot of good work in that war, and saved the lives of untold thousands of infantry. Don't diminish your contribution by even one whit.
Agree. I find the recent cozying up to the Tea Party crowd by the House GOP leadership to be disturbing.
Extremely. Everyone should be worried about it. This isn't a right/left issue really: a functioning democracy must have two healthy political parties, and the rot in the GOP goes deep.
There's an interesting column by eric bohlert in Media Matters right now. Most here would usually find him too shrill and too partisan in his opinion columns, (even I do at times) but this one seems spot-on:
(Also, I was really pleased that the first link in it is to LGF as a source! :) )
The Republican Party is now attached to a political movement -- a media-led movement -- that cannot win elections. It's a movement that cannot even win elections in traditionally red districts (NY-23) or in very red states (SC). By refusing to separate itself from media players who claim the president of the United States is a racist and a Nazi, the GOP may be assigning itself a permanent minority status.
And I'm sorry, but belated and feeble attempts by Republican leaders such as Rep. Eric Cantor to create the slightest glimmer of daylight between the GOP and the right-wing media aren't going to do the trick. (For the record, comparing health care reform to the Holocaust was the line Limbaugh and company recently crossed, according to Cantor. Good to know.) Republican politicians in 2009 have made it blindingly obvious that they lack both the courage to consistently stand up to the far-right media's hate merchants and the resources. Meaning, without the energy of the fringe activists who insist Obama is destroying America on purpose, the Republican Party would be virtually kaput today.
my dad got his ass shot off in the Pacific with the Marines...it's just something that I've been awed with my whole life...it's some mystique for me
Mine was Marine, also, Korea and Vietnam combat pilot. Nicest guy you would ever want to meet, unless you got up his nose. The he got real quiet and gave you The Look. You didn't want to get The Look. It reminded you that he could be a stone cold killer.
seem to have hit a nerve mentioning Zionism, so i will try to reiterate my point:
1) It is a political movement that is associated with the Jewish faith, as its proponents are mostly Jewish.
2) One can be a Jew without being a Zionist.
That is all I wanted to say.
I was using it to discuss other faiths and the political movements that have grown out of them, but if I put them in the same post as Zionism I get called names.
It is a testament to our tolerance that these vermin were not strung up from the nearest lamppost. There are many, many places in the world where that would have happened.
Fuck you, John Allen Muhammad. Burn in hell, asshole.
I bet the glee you professed to get by seeing people run crazy like in your gun sight while hidden in the trunk of your car ain't so funny right about now!
Thanks! {FG}
I'm sure they'll have potty mouths. I'll settle for them being potty trained. Start small!
One of my fondest memories of parenthood thus far was when #2 daughter, an angelic little two-year old at the time, dropped her bowl of cornflakes on the floor and muttered "dammit" as she climbed down to get it. My mother-in-law was right beside her, and shot me a look that was priceless.
seem to have hit a nerve mentioning Zionism, so i will try to reiterate my point:
1) It is a political movement that is associated with the Jewish faith, as its proponents are mostly Jewish.
2) One can be a Jew without being a Zionist.
That is all I wanted to say.
I was using it to discuss other faiths and the political movements that have grown out of them, but if I put them in the same post as Zionism I get called names.
you make too much of it...it's news now for some people...but it will all fade into memory...the danger of the TPs is greatly exaggerated...but howl away if you must...and congratulations on your new relationship, really
That they have their equivalents of Christian Dominionists is not in dispute, all religions do.
Which is why I brought up Kahane earlier. There are a variety of individuals and groups which want to appropriate the term "zionist", and they seem to have some different basic world-views. There are secularists, religious, as well as religionists who want to use that term. It takes a sensitive ear sometimes to hear the difference.
Mine was Marine, also, Korea and Vietnam combat pilot. Nicest guy you would ever want to meet, unless you got up his nose. The he got real quiet and gave you The Look. You didn't want to get The Look. It reminded you that he could be a stone cold killer.
After my grandfather of blessed memory passed, they started telling me about the things he saw and did in greater detail than he did. He just sorta said "I was in the Pacific for a while, saw some action, and finished the war in Europe" and left it at that.
Later, I learned the man went from poor jewbilly to terrified Marine rifleman, to full-on god of war, to borderline psychopath, to convicted criminal, to regular ordinary family man and small businessman, in the space of less than 5 years. I can never think of him the same way again, and my love for him is only strengthened by the knowledge of what he saw and did against all instinct and very much against his own personal wishes.
This speech isn't about the guy who killed him, but the people who died. Who cares why they died and what religion to mention or what war we are in.
Perfect speech.
But O also seemed to indicate he feels the 'horrors of war' are what the soldiers were unable to escape -- and made no note of the Islamofascist Whacko. He might have talked only about the fallen ... but he didn't. He did blame something - the wrong thing - for the slaughter. O's politically correct approach is the same approach to the islamist jihadist threat that led to this slaughter.
Mine was Marine, also, Korea and Vietnam combat pilot. Nicest guy you would ever want to meet, unless you got up his nose. The he got real quiet and gave you The Look. You didn't want to get The Look. It reminded you that he could be a stone cold killer.
rounds on target...it's all the same really, grit your teeth and squeeze your asshole shut...missile, lead rounds, iron fragments flying around...it's all the same
I bet the glee you professed to get by seeing people run crazy like in your gun sight while hidden in the trunk of your car ain't so funny right about now!
How about when the mommy took her baby outside the van and placed her her in safety and began vacuuming the Van and was shot in the back and killed?
Cold blooded murder
Go to hell DC sniper..There will be no mercy for you in seconds..Just as you showed no mercy
But O also seemed to indicate he feels the 'horrors of war' are what the soldiers were unable to escape -- and made no note of the Islamofascist Whacko. He might have talked only about the fallen ... but he didn't. He did blame something - the wrong thing - for the slaughter. O's politically correct approach is the same approach to the islamist jihadist threat that led to this slaughter.
It is a testament to our tolerance that these vermin were not strung up from the nearest lamppost. There are many, many places in the world where that would have happened.
I'm an Army lawyer. When I'm in Walmart in an army town in uniform, no one thanks me because that's just normal. When I'm in uniform in DC or wherever else work takes me though, people stop me and thank me. It feels weird, because I don't feel like I'm one of the heroes, but someone who helps support the real heroes.
I've learned to say "thank you" though and remind myself its on behalf of the real heroes - the ones who aren't fobbits.
Hey, Mandy, cut Ralphie some slack! here's what wiki says:
"Zionism is based on the foundation of historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE and the late Second Temple era (i.e. up to 70 CE).[2][3] Two millennia after the Jewish diaspora, the modern Zionist movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by secular Jews, largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe, especially in Russia.[4] The re-creation of a Jewish national homeland was also strongly advocated by American scholars, such as Louis Brandeis, as a solution to this "Jewish problem" and a way to "revive the Jewish spirit."[5]"
That's not a bad description of the movement. It's not Ralphie's fault that that simple belief has been perverted by its enemies into a hothouse of conspiracy and plans for world domination.
I wouldn't have worded it the way he did, but the bottom line was pretty close.
VERY NICE...you know you all should do an on-line wedding registration and have the Big Lizard post it...some of us might buy you something ;)
So sweet! Thanks!
You know I was thinking about something like that...
But in lieu of gifts, we'd really prefer people to hit the tipjar here. Or subscribe to LGF. Obviously LGF holds a special place in our hearts. :) Maybe we'll set up a wedding blog or something for people to leave a comment on after giving.
Little Green e-Harmony! Not just a political blog, it's a matchmaker! Give early and often!
I wouldn't have worded it the way he did, but the bottom line was pretty close.
The problem is that he insists upon throwing it in the same category as radical Islam. Those of us whose families were forced to leave their longtime home countries might beg to differ.
Where you are going wrong here is that islamists and dominionists seek to establish theocracies. Israel is a secular state, so piss off.
I started out traing to make a point that there is a distinction between a religion and a political movement that is associated with it.
I made the mistake of mentioning Zionism in the same post as Islamism which you guys took as a comparison.
Sorry if the formulation was not clear enough to make it clear that I was not comparing the two to any extent.
I am aware of the UN's ridiculous "Zionism is Racism" resolution and of the fact that "International Zionists" is an extreme racist codeword for "&%$'# Jews"
And I find it highly unlikely that a radical Zionist is going to shoot up a US Army base.
Except Zionism doesn't seek to establish a theocratic state.
"It is in the physical expression and manifestation of the State of Israel that the definition of Zionism becomes clear: Zionism is the expression of a group of people, to live in freedom and to determine their own future. Period. That’s it."
I'm an Army lawyer. When I'm in Walmart in an army town in uniform, no one thanks me because that's just normal. When I'm in uniform in DC or wherever else work takes me though, people stop me and thank me. It feels weird, because I don't feel like I'm one of the heroes, but someone who helps support the real heroes.
I've learned to say "thank you" though and remind myself its on behalf of the real heroes - the ones who aren't fobbits.
I recall fleet week in NY city, all the free beer and food I could consume.
LOL!
Years ago, I had friends get married, who were very well off, not in need of anything.
What to do for a wedding present?
40 or so of us, decided to give Rice Cookers, it was around a $50 present at the time. Not too cheap, not too expensive.
Made them return them all :)
Then they could get what they wanted.
While I harbor no love for John Muhammed or call for mercy, I don't see cause for celebration.
This is a somber event.
I hate that he chose an evil so extreme as to make his death at our hands the closest thing to atonement for it. That this beast and others like him compel us to destroy them in self-defense only deepens my disgust. That I learned from my grandfather, who, when I was a boy and asked him why he killed Japanese and German soldiers, said he did it because he hated them. When asked why he hated them, he answered it was because they forced him to kill them.
Sorry if the formulation was not clear enough to make it clear that I was not comparing the two to any extent.
I am aware of the UN's ridiculous "Zionism is Racism" resolution and of the fact that "International Zionists" is an extreme racist codeword for "&%$'# Jews"
And I find it highly unlikely that a radical Zionist is going to shoot up a US Army base.
This was not at all clear, and you felt the need to repeat it...but I am with you now.
The Phelper skank in this picture from Killeen seems to be rather immodestly dressed for a self-declared church activist. Maybe they turn tricks to supplement the income they get from lawsuits.
Having heard entirely to many Eulogies this one was excellent (if a Eulogy can be) Nothing honors Soldiers more than the President speaking about them. This should be the time were we leave our political differences aside and come together.
Palestinians Breach Another Part of Israel's Security Wall
Palestinians tore down a chunk of Israel's West Bank separation barrier on Monday in a protest staged to coincide with the 20th anniversary of the day the Berlin Wall came down.
Having heard entirely to many Eulogies this one was excellent (if a Eulogy can be) Nothing honors Soldiers more than the President speaking about them. This should be the time were we leave our political differences aside and come together.
Palestinians Breach Another Part of Israel's Security Wall
ya know, if the West berliners had put up the wall to keep East berliners from blowing up their buses, then the symbolism of this little demonstration might hold up.
They were finally re-introduced into Germany via the American influence. Although there was a time in the 'States when you hardly found them outside large cities with a Jewish population.
Have to say, the president was a thousand percent better in his remarks than General Casey, who should be sent back through basic.
Wondering how long it would take for Ibrahim Hooper to rear his ugly head and whine?
Not long: he 's outraged that the feds dared to search the trash bin at the mosque where Nidal hung out with other radical islamists.
Except Zionism doesn't seek to establish a theocratic state.
We can argue definitions, and there are several across the spectrum, but even though Israel is certainly a democracy I can't think of another one that is based on a religion for citizenship, nor one that accords specific rights according to religion.
Deed is done. No cause for celebration. Remember the victims. Erase this pos shit from all memory. Just another asshole who, thankfully, is now gone from this wonderful place.
They were finally re-introduced into Germany via the American influence. Although there was a time in the 'States when you hardly found them outside large cities with a Jewish population.
Stuck in the hinterlands, my family and I used to rely on Krogers for the few pitiful offerings they had. Even in the wilds of Appalachia, you could always get kasha, bagels, and the barest of Manischewiz' product line. It sustained many a jewbilly.
We can argue definitions, and there are several across the spectrum, but even though Israel is certainly a democracy I can't think of another one that is based on a religion for citizenship, nor one that accords specific rights according to religion.
Feel free to correct me.
An atheistic jew can make aliyah; a druze or christian arab can serve in the army; and a muslim can serve in Knesset.
Speaker: Pete Worden
Prior positions for Dr. Worden included Director of Development and Transformation, Space and Missile Systems Center, Air Force Space Command; Consultant to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) on space related issues; Congressional Fellow with the Office of Senator Sam Brownback as advisor on NASA and space issues; Staff officer for the Presidents National Space Council. Dr. Worden spearheaded efforts to revitalize U.S. civil space exploration and earth monitoring systems. He has authored or co-authored more than 150 scientific technical papers in astrophysics, space sciences, and strategic studies, served as a scientific co-investigator for two NASA space science missions and is a recognized expert on space issues both civil and military.
Stuck in the hinterlands, my family and I used to rely on Krogers for the few pitiful offerings they had. Even in the wilds of Appalachia, you could always get kasha, bagels, and the barest of Manischewiz' product line. It sustained many a jewbilly.
Which part of Appalachia, if you don't mind my asking?
Exactly, "almost," but not quite. Loved it, hated, wouldn't live there, would move back tomorrow - all the conflicting feelings one ahs about a place like that that was also home. Weird.
We can argue definitions, and there are several across the spectrum, but even though Israel is certainly a democracy I can't think of another one that is based on a religion for citizenship, nor one that accords specific rights according to religion.
Feel free to correct me.
As a free and sovereign state, Israel has the right to have any immigration policy it chooses. Further, Israeli immigration policy is remarkably similar to the immigration policies of other nations.
Citizenship status is derived by way of one of two criteria- ‘blood’ or ‘land.’
In the United States, for example, citizenship is primarily derived by ‘land’ status. That means that if you were born here, you are automatically awarded citizenship.
Conversely, being born in Switzerland is no guarantee of citizenship. In fact, there are generations of people that have been born in Switzerland that are not entitled to Swiss citizenship according to Swiss law.
Descendants of British, Irish and Polish ancestry, for example, are all entitled to enhanced and privileged immigration status by those nations. Throughout most of Europe, having even a bit of ‘preferred’ blood entitles one to a citizenship ‘fast track.’
Israel has every right to determine her own immigration rules.
re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee
And the Ft Hood shooter went on his rampage on the same day that DC sniper's final appeal was turned down. Toss another piece of kindling into the conspiracy fire.///
Heh. Okay ... pretend your enemy is war itself, or that we shouldn't speak mean words about any followers of any religion, no matter how evil? Is that better? Is that what you're wishing for? Whatever. ... maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Hope so.
Exactly, "almost," but not quite. Loved it, hated, wouldn't live there, would move back tomorrow - all the conflicting feelings one ahs about a place like that that was also home. Weird.
I hear you. Live long enough in a place and sooner or later both feelings of love and hate come along.
I can just imagine the conspiracy theories this is gonna spawn.
One problem for any would-be conspiracy mongers is the impossibility of predicting the exact time of death with lethal injection. Other methods do not have this limitation. For instance:
Guillotine: "phwwuuumph...THWACK!!!"
Doctor: "Oh yeah, he's dead alright..."
Wow, and I thought I was a hayseed Jew for having grown up in Kansas City!
Temple services were always kinda sparsely attended. Recall when the Rabbi died, we had a hell of a time getting anyone to come down for a congregation of fewer than 10 families. One guy, when they tell him he'll have a car and driver for Shabbat, since the house is too far from the temple, tells the panel "you don't need a rabbi, you need a plague." We eventually found a guy, an old hippy who moved in back when the whole Foxfire thing had hippies moving to Appalachia, and who had the requisite education and - more importantly - temperament to deal with us. Nice guy.
Yes, that is a reality, but it is not a criteria that would be considered constitutional in the US, and the latter is our benchmark when comparing other systems.
How about those like me that were in a shooting war, but not really in any danger. I was on a big ass, air conditioned cruiser, behind 8 inches of armor plate, and the enemy had pea shooters. The in-country grunts were the real deal.
We could go on...
I had shots fired at me in anger, had mortars land close enough to hear them whistle through the air before they hit, had trucks hit by IED's.
But I didn't get a Purple Heart, like some guys I knew, or my Father-in-Law in Viet Nam (got his arm shot off). So in my mind, THOSE guys are the real deal.
Yes, that is a reality, but it is not a criteria that would be considered constitutional in the US, and the latter is our benchmark when comparing other systems.
True.
That said, the US is unique in that regard.
The UK, Ireland, Italy, etc., aren't all that different from us. Potato, potata, tomato, tomata...
Speaker: Pete Worden
Prior positions for Dr. Worden included Director of Development and Transformation, Space and Missile Systems Center, Air Force Space Command; Consultant to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) on space related issues; Congressional Fellow with the Office of Senator Sam Brownback as advisor on NASA and space issues; Staff officer for the Presidents National Space Council. Dr. Worden spearheaded efforts to revitalize U.S. civil space exploration and earth monitoring systems. He has authored or co-authored more than 150 scientific technical papers in astrophysics, space sciences, and strategic studies, served as a scientific co-investigator for two NASA space science missions and is a recognized expert on space issues both civil and military.
Oh. An overeducated egghead. Obviously a secular humanist and not to be trusted.
Why wrong states? Both of them are found in W Va, if not primarily.
Shenandoah just forms a border, just like the Blue Ridge Mountains. Now, if yo upraise the place, that's not two of the best features of the state, not by a longshot. Give me the monongalia or mongahela rivers any day.
Shenandoah just forms a border, just like the Blue Ridge Mountains. Now, if yo upraise the place, that's not two of the best features of the state, not by a longshot. Give me the monongalia or mongahela rivers any day.
It's really Virginia. I don't think the Shenandoah even touches WV -- just the tip.
Wow, and I thought I was a hayseed Jew for having grown up in Kansas City!
Our small town in Lower Alabama has a 75-yr old Temple. The congregation
is aged and shrinking, so they started a successful campaign to support
young families willing to settle here. Dixie aliyah.
Well crap! 700 channels and not one Basketball game on TV...
*falls to knees*
Why God Why?
Guess I'll head to bed soon and watch the news..
Be well lizards..May life be good for you...
Say a prayer for our brave Military members tonight
It's true! Ice-ski and I are getting hitched next month :) We also plan on reproducing at an alarming rate. We calculate that within a mere 100 generations, our offspring could potentially dominate this solar system ;-)
Have some quotes:
“Oh, the comfort, the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person, having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words, but pouring them all out, just as they are, chaff and grain together, certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them, keep what is worth keeping, and with a breath of kindness blow the rest away.”
-- George Eliot
"What greater thing is there for two human souls than to feel that they are joined for life--to strengthen each other in all labour, to rest on each other in all sorrow, to minister to each other in all pain, to be one with each other in silent unspeakable memories at the moment of the last parting?"
-- George Eliot
Where were ARMED MP's at the entrance to the Assembly Room? It is understood that the current policy of the Military is strict firearms control.
Why did a Female Civilian Employee have to be "The Hero" as trained and ready as she was due to recent prior Military Service. I throw out the questions, and await the answers. This one is like "Picking Up The Garbage."
There is NO D vs. R or Liberal v. Conservative answer to this one. Garbage has to be removed - he/she that does it best gets the contract. That is all. Discussion?
The Phelper skank in this picture from Killeen seems to be rather immodestly dressed for a self-declared church activist. Maybe they turn tricks to supplement the income they get from lawsuits.
Where were ARMED MP's at the entrance to the Assembly Room? It is understood that the current policy of the Military is strict firearms control.
Why did a Female Civilian Employee have to be "The Hero" as trained and ready as she was due to recent prior Military Service. I throw out the questions, and await the answers. This one is like "Picking Up The Garbage."
There is NO D vs. R or Liberal v. Conservative answer to this one. Garbage has to be removed - he/she that does it best gets the contract. That is all. Discussion?
-S-
Internal base security has largely been privatized. Whee!!!
Why have a $1,568.70/month E2 do the job when you can pay a civilian $40,000 to do it?
I heard on NPR this morning that the military was stacking cargo containers 3 high for security reasons. I wonder if it was to shield the grieving from these goofballs.
One problem for any would-be conspiracy mongers is the impossibility of predicting the exact time of death with lethal injection. Other methods do not have this limitation. For instance:
Guillotine: "phwwuuumph...THWACK!!!"
Doctor: "Oh yeah, he's dead alright..."
From the Simpson's "Odyssey"
"Remember, just 'cause their heads are off don't mean they're dead!" (That would be Moe, as Agamemnon, king of men)
I heard on NPR this morning that the military was stacking cargo containers 3 high for security reasons. I wonder if it was to shield the grieving from these goofballs.
They are well off base. You know who they are trying to shield.
Our small town in Lower Alabama has a 75-yr old Temple. The congregation
is aged and shrinking, so they started a successful campaign to support
young families willing to settle here. Dixie aliyah.
My son and his wife are moving to Huntsville to establish a Chabad House there. She's an Alabama gal.
President Obama - Like Churchill and Roosevelt before him - sometimes refuses to call things by their Proper Names - i.e. "The French Government" as then Col. DeGaulle showed them. In this case, Jihad, Islamist and Terrorist. That is all.
this is not a political issue...I have no reason to doubt BOs sincerity
As Avanti said earlier (or to borrow a FARK meme): THIS
I don't agree with a lot of what you say here, but I respect you and the thinking that is behind it.
That you can say this, is to me, what makes this country great. (sorry for sounding sappy!)
You are the difference between SF Goth.
And to the new left leaner's here, that's why I have respect for you (and this site): The difference of opinion and the strength of that opinion is not the essence of what makes us adversaries, it's what makes us Americans.
And not rejecting a POTUS you fundamentally disagree with when he does speak for all of us is what is going to keep this country whole in the time to come.
Thanks.
Where were ARMED MP's at the entrance to the Assembly Room? It is understood that the current policy of the Military is strict firearms control.
Why did a Female Civilian Employee have to be "The Hero" as trained and ready as she was due to recent prior Military Service. I throw out the questions, and await the answers. This one is like "Picking Up The Garbage."
There is NO D vs. R or Liberal v. Conservative answer to this one. Garbage has to be removed - he/she that does it best gets the contract. That is all. Discussion?
-S-
The reasoning is simple: having Soldiers carry guns around in garrison, in our home, invites more accidents and misconduct than it's worth. The odds of the Soldier needing his weapon is slim compared to the odds of it getting mishandled.
Remembering the dead is certainly what matters. I perhaps would have liked to sense a little more emotion in the President's voice, but as you mentioned, to remember the dead is the whole point and for sure, more important than the way the words were delivered.
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