The crossover between Fox News and the farthest reaches of the kookosphere proceeds at an accelerating pace, as frequent Glenn Beck guest host and Fox contributor Judge Andrew Napolitano has an extended chat with conspiracy monger Alex Jones about their mutual enemy, the US government: YouTube - Judge Andrew Napolitano on Alex Jones Tv 1/2:The Government Doesn’t Care About YOU!!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 11, 2009 1:58:19pm |
It's no accident that he fills in for Glenn Beck. This is where the right is headed.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 11, 2009 1:59:55pm |
I see that the wingnutosphere is crowing about Obama scheduling an interview with a Fox News reporter. I assume they see this as some sort of victory.
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:00:52pm |
Judge Napolitano, and his faaabulous hair, on the Alex Jones Show Again
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:02:14pm |
re: #2 Killgore Trout
I see that the wingnutosphere is crowing about Obama scheduling an interview with a Fox News reporter. I assume they see this as some sort of victory.
He's not a news reporter.
He has a (shitty) opinion show, like all the other opinion shows that are not news shows.
You know, like they've been doing at the BBC forevah and a day.
Temptation to hard to resist, I understand.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:02:22pm |
Are there no standards left? I mean surely you can be a cynical exploiter of radical extremist nutjobs without stooping so low as to consort with the likes of *spit* Alex Jones *spit*?
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bosforus Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:03:11pm |
You couldn't get me in the same room as A.J. Not after all his 911 bullsh*t!
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:05:11pm |
I recieved an email today from my BIL from the Alex Jones web site talking about Obama banning guns but using the UN as a sneaky way around dealing with congress. I won't post it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:07:15pm |
I wonder if Fox news can recover and be a semi-serious news network again. They've done so much damage to their brand that I'm not sure if they'll ever get past the stigma of being lying nutcases.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:07:34pm |
Granted, I've never listened to Alex Jones but I've read enough links to his nuttiness to know he's got some views that are really out there. It's a shame Alex Jones is such a nut because I kinda like Judge Nap. I listened to this yesterday when Killgore posted it and I'm betting not many in here would disagree with one word of his first minute or so rail against big government.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:08:00pm |
re: #6 bosforus
You couldn't get me in the same room as A.J. Not after all his 911 bullsh*t!
Why are you denying the fact the gubment brought down the towers to go to war and establish a one world gubment?
///
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:09:07pm |
re: #10 RogueOne
I'm betting not many in here would disagree with one word of his first minute or so rail against big government.
I would. These people are hysterical lunatics.
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filetandrelease Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:09:18pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I wonder if Fox news can recover and be a semi-serious news network again. They've done so much damage to their brand that I'm not sure if they'll ever get past the stigma of being lying nutcases.
If so, they best hurry up. At this point I just hope someone near the top is at the least, concerned.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:09:45pm |
Speaking of Napolitanos, there's a ' fire Janet ' movement gaining steam.
Can't come a minute too soon.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:11:02pm |
re: #13 filetandrelease
I don't think anyone at the top is concerned. This is what they want. Murdoch is also working on turning the Wall Street Journal into a source of loony conspiracy theories.
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Neutral President Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:11:23pm |
re: #6 bosforus
You couldn't get me in the same room as A.J. Not after all his 911 bullsh*t!
He was an over-the-top nutbar way before 9/11. In fact, 9/11 Trooferism is one of his milder faults.
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Ojoe Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:11:38pm |
The Government Doesn’t Care About YOU!!
Note to Napolitano:
We are the government in this country.
You trying to drive a wedge somewhere?
Why?
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:11:47pm |
re: #13 filetandrelease
They are the guys at the top, in case you missed that.///
The rest of the networks and news corps don't seem to have such a problem acknowledging their bona fides.
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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:13:27pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I wonder if Fox news can recover and be a semi-serious news network again. They've done so much damage to their brand that I'm not sure if they'll ever get past the stigma of being lying nutcases.
It isn't about credibility. It's about ratings. Traditional, "serious" news shows suck like Hoovers when it comes to ratings; Fox News trumps them all.
It has nothing at all to do with diligence or accuracy or fairness. It's all about entertainment. And FN manages to provide entertainment to not only the right, but the left as well. As I've mentioned in the past, the office liberals get together to guffaw at Glenn Beck's latest antics on a regular basis - they tune in regularly, certainly not because of any great news value, but for the sideshow appeal. And I suspect there are many on the right and in the middle who do the same.
It may be that the portion of FN's audience that actually agrees - or cares - what they say is a small minority, but that isn't certain. It is certain, however, that they aren't in the least bit interested in upholding the (mostly mythical) standards of journalistic excellence that are jawboned by so many, and that they're extremely successful without such concerns.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:14:03pm |
re: #16 ArchangelMichael
I had never heard of him before that. I figured him out pretty quick, though.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:14:24pm |
re: #5 Shiplord Kirel
Michael Moore gets plenty of air time.
Loons have to get interviewed too...it helps ID them as loons.
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filetandrelease Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:14:28pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
I don't think anyone at the top is concerned. This is what they want. Murdoch is also working on turning the Wall Street Journal into a source of loony conspiracy theories.
You think the top brass believes this stuff? Or are they simply content drifting to some sort of tabloid status because it sells?
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Ojoe Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:15:32pm |
re: #23 filetandrelease
IMHO they are corrupt chasers after money.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:16:06pm |
re: #22 tradewind
Michael Moore gets plenty of air time.
Loons have to get interviewed too...it helps ID them as loons.
In this case, it's the greater loon who is doing the interviewing.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:16:51pm |
So where was the crackdown on the Super Bowl Protest Judge Andy? And I am not surprised that one kook is appearing on another kook's show.
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:17:40pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:17:41pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
It isn't about credibility. It's about ratings. Traditional, "serious" news shows suck like Hoovers when it comes to ratings; Fox News trumps them all.
It has nothing at all to do with diligence or accuracy or fairness. It's all about entertainment.
Idiocracy, here we come!
/it's got electrolytes
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:18:17pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
People can't seem to get the idea that Fox reports the news, like any other news site, and also has its opinion hours/ pundits... again, like (almost) any other news site.
It's just that theirs get more viewers, and also, where they lead (in investigating a story), the rest of the media is sometimes forced to follow. Never happily.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:18:21pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
But I think the freakshow appeal is eventually going to wear off. I don't think they could manage to go back to actual reporting of news events and serious commentary. Even the lunatics don't really believe what they see on Fox news.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:19:09pm |
re: #23 filetandrelease
You think the top brass believes this stuff? Or are they simply content drifting to some sort of tabloid status because it sells?
I don't know but I suspect this is Rupert Murdoch's ideology.
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Neutral President Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:19:23pm |
This is about how I feel about watching FOX Moby Network
I'm not so sure though, that Glenn Beck, ORLY, and "Teh Judge" are worthy of being compared to Michael Keaton's greatest role... EVAR!
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Guanxi88 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:19:33pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
But I think the freakshow appeal is eventually going to wear off. I don't think they could manage to go back to actual reporting of news events and serious commentary. Even the lunatics don't really believe what they see on Fox news.
I think, again, you are failing to distinguish between the news shows and the opinion/commentary shows.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:19:43pm |
re: #29 Ojoe
No kidding, at least this blog.
Smart people hang here. And if you ain't smart on the subject, you get to learn.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:19:55pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
Whether or not commentary is deemed ' serious commentary' depends pretty much on your opinion in the first place. If you agree, it's serious. If not, it's specious.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:21:29pm |
re: #19 Ericus58
Well the March Hare just attends Unbirthday parties and drinks tea with his good friends the Mad Hatter and the Door Mouse. Alex Jones perpetuates mass ignorance and hysterics with conspiracy theories. Did I mention it was my Unbirthday today.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:21:40pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
I don't know but I suspect this is Rupert Murdoch's ideology.
On what basis? Murdoch's politics don't seem to incline that way:
Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton
Conservative Media Mogul To Host Fundraiser For Liberal N.Y. Senator
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:21:42pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
I don't know but I suspect this is Rupert Murdoch's ideology.
Good luck Ailinskying Murdoch.
Don't try to define him by pointing at FoxNews.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:21:58pm |
re: #36 Guanxi88
I think, again, you are failing to distinguish between the news shows and the opinion/commentary shows.
That's sorta like distinguishing between ingredients in a layer cake. It can be done, sure, by brains like us who nerd out on blogs, but the target demo doesn't distinguish. They just keep eating and eating and eating...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:22:16pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
As long as FOX airs Red Eye I don't care what they do. It's the only talk show worth watching and the only FOX show I watch.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:23:09pm |
re: #44 Mad Al-Jaffee
As long as FOX airs Red Eye I don't care what they do. It's the only talk show worth watching and the only FOX show I watch.
Red Eye?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:23:15pm |
re: #42 Ben Hur
Good luck Ailinskying Murdoch.
Don't try to define him by pointing at FoxNews.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:24:07pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
Do you tune in to Fox for straight news reporting, or only at night afterwards when the Op/Eds come out?
They do a perfectly competent job of on-air reporting hard news stories, breaking news, etc. It's not that hard to understand where and when the reporters quit and the pundits begin.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:24:50pm |
re: #43 WindUpBird
Oh, much of the public may be not quite as stupid as you believe.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:25:06pm |
re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar
Red Eye?
Great show. It's on at 3 AM (eastern), so I tape it every night and watch it the next day. It's more entertainment than politics and it reminds me of early Letterman and early Howard Stern (back when both were funny and innovative.)
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:25:15pm |
re: #48 tradewind
Do you tune in to Fox for straight news reporting, or only at night afterwards when the Op/Eds come out?
They do a perfectly competent job of on-air reporting hard news stories, breaking news, etc. It's not that hard to understand where and when the reporters quit and the pundits begin.
It's a new model for this country.
Of course, the channels who scream the loudest about FOXNEWS imitated everything they do, just to the left.
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Summersong Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:25:40pm |
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shai_au Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:26:10pm |
Sure, lots of people on Fox just, you know, make shit up. But that's just their opinion, so it's perfectly OK to lie. I'm sure the viewers will mentally put up a "warning: content may or may not be factual" disclaimer when they watch these shows.
Well, at least I hope so.
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:26:19pm |
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:26:37pm |
what does Fox News have to do with me?...nothing, it's a TV show...there are lunatics everywhere, the federal govt is stuffed to the gills with them, and they make the laws that Fox reacts to...Fox is a bystander
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:26:55pm |
re: #53 shai_au
Sure, lots of people on Fox just, you know, make shit up. But that's just their opinion, so it's perfectly OK to lie. I'm sure the viewers will mentally put up a "warning: content may or may not be factual" disclaimer when they watch these shows.
Well, at least I hope so.
Who are "lots of people"?
You mean the opinion pundits, yes?
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:27:01pm |
re: #51 Ben Hur
Don Imus is back on Fox Business News channel, and Cavuto has been moved there as well... it's doing pretty well.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:27:55pm |
re: #53 shai_au
Kind of like their counterparts on MSNBC and CNN.
It happens.
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:28:26pm |
Cause, you know, if any of you would watch Kudlow on CNBC, he's pretty close to Beck, etc.
He just doesn't have the ratings to grab the WH attention.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:28:38pm |
re: #56 Ben Hur
You may have to clarify. Some people just don't understand the difference.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:29:44pm |
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Ben Hur Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:30:01pm |
Wanda Sykes has a show on Fox.
You know what that means...
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:30:04pm |
"It's really a 'pick your poison'. It's all part of the same big government mentality. Your kind comments about the piece I wrote from a monologue I gave while filling in for Glenn Beck ... in which I argued that we don't have a two party system in this country, we have a one party. One party called the 'big government' party. The republican branch likes war, and deficits, and assaulting our civil liberties and the democrat branch likes wealth transfers, and taxes, and assaulting our commercial liberties but the mindset is the same. 'to heck with the constitution, the heck with the bill of rights, the heck with inalienable rights, the heck with even the laws that we right, we know what's better for you then you know is good for yourself and we'll tell you how to behave or else."
Am I the only way who basically agrees with this statement? I completely disagree with his stance on military matters and really most foreign policy arguments, but the rest of it is spot on.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:30:27pm |
YouTube - Judge Andrew Napolitano on Alex Jones Tv 1/2:The Government Doesn’t Care About YOU!!
I'm more concerned with the govt representing me than I am with it caring about me.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:31:02pm |
re: #62 Ben Hur
Wanda Sykes has a show on Fox.
You know what that means...
Yeah. I'll keep not watching Fox during prime time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:31:06pm |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:31:10pm |
re: #63 RogueOne
That whole first chunk was supossed to be in a quote block but I managled it somehow.. and never use the preview function ...so I guess I had it coming.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:31:35pm |
Oh, and I should really pay attention to my spell check.
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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:31:58pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
But I think the freakshow appeal is eventually going to wear off. I don't think they could manage to go back to actual reporting of news events and serious commentary. Even the lunatics don't really believe what they see on Fox news.
They'll just move on to something else. It's a fractured marketplace these days; it's no longer feasible to dominate in the way that the Big Three networks once did, across a large swath of entertainment, news and opinion programming. All media - not just Fox - are concentrating on developing and dominating small niche markets that they have all to themselves, hyper-tuning their programming to match the increasingly narrow slice of the spectrum they're after. Fox has decided to go after the tinfoil-hat crowd,they're doing a great job at it, and their reputation as specialists in this area draws in significant numbers of additional viewers who don't crimp tinfoil onto their own heads, but are amused by watching the antics of those who do.
The other networks are all moving in the same direction, with the smaller ones leading the way. Fox just happens to be out in front at the moment. In a very few years, this is how all news is going to be presented, although the particular extremist viewpoint each organization targets will differ.
The current death of so many traditional newspapers is only accelerating this trend away from detailed, cross-checked analysis performed by a nationwide network of journalists and given extensive column inches to develop and present, toward the sensationalistic, sound-bite-oriented entertainment shows now passing for news on broadcast television.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:32:14pm |
re: #49 tradewind
Oh, much of the public may be not quite as stupid as you believe.
Stupid is the wrong word. Not paying close attention and being a harsh cynic about cable news and the rise of "infotainment", that doesn't make you stupid. But it does mean your guard is down, and the opinion and news on Fox News is designed to run together. A feeds B, which feeds A which feeds B again.
Think about it like this: the average owner of a motor vehicle can't change their own oil, doesn't know what a carburetor is or whether their car even has one. Are they stupid? No, but they're not interested in those distinctions. The average shopper who purchases ground beef isn't aware of how ground beef is regulated. Doesn't make them stupid either. Same thing with news.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:32:33pm |
re: #63 RogueOne
"It's really a 'pick your poison'. It's all part of the same big government mentality. Your kind comments about the piece I wrote from a monologue I gave while filling in for Glenn Beck ... in which I argued that we don't have a two party system in this country, we have a one party. One party called the 'big government' party. The republican branch likes war, and deficits, and assaulting our civil liberties and the democrat branch likes wealth transfers, and taxes, and assaulting our commercial liberties but the mindset is the same. 'to heck with the constitution, the heck with the bill of rights, the heck with inalienable rights, the heck with even the laws that we right, we know what's better for you then you know is good for yourself and we'll tell you how to behave or else."
Am I the only way who basically agrees with this statement? I completely disagree with his stance on military matters and really most foreign policy arguments, but the rest of it is spot on.
you're not alone, I agree with it, except I don't think anybody likes war...why is this considered the talk of a lunatic?
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:33:07pm |
re: #59 Ben Hur
The WH has a hard on for Fox because they repeatedly force other networks to pay serious attention to.. or at least follow.. stories that the administration would like to see go away.
What's surprising is that their attempt at marginalizing a news network was so clumsy.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:34:50pm |
re: #71 albusteve
In all fairness, Alex Jones is a nut, a conspiracy nut.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:35:44pm |
re: #70 WindUpBird
Not the same thing. Not even as close as apples and oranges.
The vast majority of the uninformed public does not even listen to or turn on a news network. They're all about Dancing With The Stars.**
Those who do can generally tell the difference between straight news and commentary.
** NTTATWWT
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:36:06pm |
re: #72 tradewind
The WH has a hard on for Fox because they repeatedly force other networks to pay serious attention to.. or at least follow.. stories that the administration would like to see go away.
What's surprising is that their attempt at marginalizing a news network was so clumsy.
two left feet...this WH can't get out of it's own way...so many contradictions, bumping into each other, falling down...what a bunch of doofi
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:36:44pm |
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:36:55pm |
re: #68 RogueOne
No need... Cato will do it for you if you slip up...///
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:38:01pm |
It is absolutely disgraceful that any member if the msm would willingly associate with a kook like alex jones. Mainstreaming a 9/11 conspiracy freak translates into zero credibility for the mainstreamer.
Shame on you Andy. How can you look New Yorkers in the face?
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:38:26pm |
Good Afternoon Lizards!
Charles: Just read your interview on the evolution of blogging downstairs.
Very good read...I agree with you on where the right has veered to hard core ideas and succumbing to the Religious right view these last few years...
As you held the far lefts feet to the fire so have you held the far Rights feet to the fire. I'm a moderate American and damn proud of it.
I applaud you for your integrity and honesty at LGF..
It is a privilege to post here.. Kudo's.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:38:56pm |
re: #76 albusteve
Looks like Anita Dunn is another member of Obama's Underbus Club. She led the assault on Fox.
Napolitano... Janet, that is... needs to join next. Waiting for the press conference that starts out ' This was not the Homeland Security head that I knew...'
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:40:56pm |
re: #82 tradewind
Looks like Anita Dunn is another member of Obama's Underbus Club. She led the assault on Fox.
[snip]
How do you figure... this was not unexpected...
"Dunn has always carried the "interim" title and it has long been understood she would leave the White House by year's end. To the degree her departure is early, it is early by a matter of weeks.White House officials said Dunn actually stayed longer than she originally intended, in part to assist the White House in the health care debate."
Her stepping down had nothing to do with Beck or Fox or being thrown under the bus. Oh, my source for the above quote... Fox News White House Blog...
[Link: whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com...]
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Idle Drifter Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:41:33pm |
re: #77 SummerSong
It looks like he feeds it small children.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:41:37pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
What's that fruitcake Napolitano's title at Fox, anyway? Some kind of consultant? I don't think he has his own show... or at least I hope not.
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SixDegrees Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:42:05pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
It is absolutely disgraceful that any member if the msm would willingly associate with a kook like alex jones. Mainstreaming a 9/11 conspiracy freak translates into zero credibility for the mainstreamer.
Shame on you Andy. How can you look New Yorkers in the face?
Shameful, yes. Much different from, say, presenting the opinions of Alec Baldwin or Barbra Streisand as valid political spokespeople? Not so much.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:42:28pm |
re: #85 tradewind
Fox News Radio, "Brian and the Judge", and some other thing.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:43:03pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
He can't look New Yorkers in the face because his head is planted so far up his @$$!
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:43:30pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
So she's leaving to spend more time with her family, I suppose./// Of course she is.
Simply amazing that the virulently anti-Obama Fox would point that out.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:43:52pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
But, it is interesting that the day after, BHO's talking to Fox. That is where my interest lies in this story. No biggie.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:43:56pm |
re: #82 tradewind
Looks like Anita Dunn is another member of Obama's Underbus Club. She led the assault on Fox.
Napolitano... Janet, that is... needs to join next. Waiting for the press conference that starts out ' This was not the Homeland Security head that I knew...'
BO and the WH know their cred and popularity is tanking, but probably will never reach the historic depth Congress has sunk to...nevertheless they are obviously using Fox to divert attention away from their own ineptness, tax cheating big dogs, and failures to deal with Iran etc, fear of Obama care, cap and trade etc...people fall for it...whatever threat Fox poses has to our national interest is mostly made up or perceived, while the WH is the real deal
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:44:54pm |
re: #82 tradewind
Looks like Anita Dunn is another member of Obama's Underbus Club. She led the assault on Fox.
Napolitano... Janet, that is... needs to join next. Waiting for the press conference that starts out ' This was not theHomeland SecurityheadMan Caused Disaster that Iknewcreated ...'
ftfy
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Idle Drifter Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:47:17pm |
Time to get dinner ready. Later all. MMmmm, bacon wrapped, cheese stuffed chicken breasts.
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big steve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:47:28pm |
Since I missed the thread on the LGF interview...question to anyone...occasionally a banner ad runs across the bottom of LGF for the Amazon "Denim Shop". I checked it out the other day and it is truly a wonderful on-line store with just about every brand and size available, even Big Steve sizes. However when I go to Amazon.com through the LGF icon I can't find the "Denim Shop" at Amazon. If you type it in you just get listings but not the same as if you go to Amazon directly. I want to shop at this spot but I want LGF to get the credit. Is there a way of doing this?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:47:33pm |
Dunno if Napolitano's mainstreaming Jones, or if Jones is trying to buy cred by hosting Hizzoner. Looks goofy, of course, being interviewed by a fellow who thinks the world is secretly ruled by a genocidal cabal of international banking families who all belong to the same human-sacrifice cult, but to each his own.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:47:40pm |
re: #90 tradewind
So she's leaving to spend more time with her family, I suppose./// Of course she is.
Simply amazing that the virulently anti-Obama Fox would point that out.
Can you give me your reference to "spending time with her family?" Or did you make that up?
re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The recorded facts, facts that were in the public domain right after the woman took the job, indicated that she was going to step down before year end.
..."and it has long been understood she would leave the White House by year's end."
I can't agree with either of you on this issue. We look stupid making up stuff, don't we?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:48:19pm |
re: #62 Ben Hur
Wanda Sykes has a show on Fox.
You know what that means...
Another hour I get to read!
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:48:58pm |
re: #97 Walter L. Newton
Can you give me your reference to "spending time with her family?" Or did you make that up?
re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The recorded facts, facts that were in the public domain right after the woman took the job, indicated that she was going to step down before year end.
..."and it has long been understood she would leave the White House by year's end."
I can't agree with either of you on this issue. We look stupid making up stuff, don't we?
it's rubbed off...Foxitis
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boyo Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:49:24pm |
"Fox argues that its news hours — 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. on weekdays — are objective."
gotta fill the rest of the day up with "something"
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:49:47pm |
re: #85 tradewind
What's that fruitcake Napolitano's title at Fox, anyway? Some kind of consultant? I don't think he has his own show... or at least I hope not.
Yes- he's getting his own show!
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:51:30pm |
re: #97 Walter L. Newton
'Quitting to spend more time with the fam '= stock/fallback reason for any political resignation regardless of the actual reason. It's so hard to question.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:52:34pm |
re: #100 boyo
And no other cable news nets do that.///
Wow. Keith Olbermann, Serious News Anchor. The Ed Show.
/Check./
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:53:05pm |
I can't imagine the withdrawal effects if people were to be unplugged from their TV news...must be an excruciating jones
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:53:23pm |
re: #101 Sharmuta
Yuck. He's personally offensive to me. Won't be watching.
If he actually gets his own show, I predict it has a shelf life of... hardly any time.
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boyo Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:53:46pm |
re: #103 tradewind
when our guest posts a thread about them Im sure youll remind us
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bosforus Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:53:56pm |
re: #105 tradewind
Yuck. He's personally offensive to me. Won't be watching.
If he actually gets his own show, I predict it has a shelf life of... hardly any time.
Wanda Sykes will probably last longer.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:54:00pm |
re: #102 tradewind
'Quitting to spend more time with the fam '= stock/fallback reason for any political resignation regardless of the actual reason. It's so hard to question.
I take her (and the admin) at their word on this one. Unless you're
A) a Washington junkie
or
B) WANT to be a Washington junkie, thats a hard town and game to go to no matter where you cut your teeth
Manya good people have left there early "to spend more time with their families"
I wish more would!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:54:03pm |
re: #97 Walter L. Newton
Walter, I'm not saying anything about her departure. I understand that she was intending to be interim all along.
I just find it interesting that now Obama is willing to talk to Fox. I'm not even claiming a conspiracy.
I simply find it interesting. Really. That is all.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:54:14pm |
re: #104 albusteve
You're not serious, I guess, but that's actually a necessity.
Got to take a mental health break from the news every few days.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:54:45pm |
re: #103 tradewind
And no other cable news nets do that.///
Wow. Keith Olbermann, Serious News Anchor. The Ed Show.
/Check./
Larry King
HARD hitting "news"
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:55:13pm |
re: #107 bosforus
Thanks for the mental image of the two of them.
I was about to start supper.
Going to have to take a cleansing run instead.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:55:39pm |
re: #102 tradewind
'Quitting to spend more time with the fam '= stock/fallback reason for any political resignation regardless of the actual reason. It's so hard to question.
You posted the comment, I was looking for a link or reference that Dunn made to that point. Did I miss it? Or did you make that up?
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:56:50pm |
re: #90 tradewind
So she's leaving to spend more time with her family, I suppose./// Of course she is.
Simply amazing that the virulently anti-Obama Fox would point that out.
She is a full partner in a business, a Washington based consulting firm, Squier-Knapp-Dunn Communications, she even has her name on the front doors and everything. She was hired as a fill-in temp, back when she first came on board she said she only expected to stay perhaps three months. She is going back to making better money for less work...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:58:13pm |
re: #115 ausador
She is a full partner in a business, a Washington based consulting firm, Squier-Knapp-Dunn Communications, she even has her name on the front doors and everything. She was hired as a fill-in temp, back when she first came on board she said she only expected to stay perhaps three months. She is going back to making better money for less work...
They wouldn't, per chance, do any lobbying, would they??
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:58:33pm |
re: #95 big steve
Since I missed the thread on the LGF interview...question to anyone...occasionally a banner ad runs across the bottom of LGF for the Amazon "Denim Shop". I checked it out the other day and it is truly a wonderful on-line store with just about every brand and size available, even Big Steve sizes. However when I go to Amazon.com through the LGF icon I can't find the "Denim Shop" at Amazon. If you type it in you just get listings but not the same as if you go to Amazon directly. I want to shop at this spot but I want LGF to get the credit. Is there a way of doing this?
I think that if you get to Amazon by clicking any ad or link on LGF, LGF gets the associate's slice.
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J.S. Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:59:00pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Tonight, CNN's Campbell Brown will be doing something on "secret societies" (as I roll my eyes). I don't know if she'll be critquing them (saying it's so much bunk) or endorsing the lunacy...(I figure it could go either way, or maybe a little of both...who knows...I think they do this becasue they figure it might drive up their ratings...)
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boyo Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:59:02pm |
re: #116 tradewind
hehe sorry host! host! host... tv, radio, phone, typing and reading all at once is not my friend
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:59:03pm |
re: #115 ausador
That's pretty amazing, coming to work at the WH and announcing in advance that you'll be leaving in a few months or so. She must have felt so underused as Tom Daschle's top aide.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:59:32pm |
I have never seen/heard of Alex Jones other than here. I suspect he is one of those that the already converted go looking for, but after glancing at the website and if "Republicans" are giving him the nod, then things can actually get worse..
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albusteve Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:59:44pm |
re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Walter, I'm not saying anything about her departure. I understand that she was intending to be interim all along.
I just find it interesting that now Obama is willing to talk to Fox. I'm not even claiming a conspiracy.
I simply find it interesting. Really. That is all.
maybe he will explain to the public the sanctions he intends to threaten Iran with...or why Israeli housing is crucial to a ME peace when the Palis give up nothing...maybe he will campaign for his health care scam and talk about his kids instead...rest assured his 'interview' will be meaningless, but his popularity may spike because he is willing to sit with the 'enemy'...hahaha!, what a joke (on the viewers)
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J.S. Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:01:36pm |
re: #122 Naso Tang
I have never seen/heard of Alex Jones other than here.
yep. me too...never knew who Alex Jones was, never had heard of him before, etc.
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:01:43pm |
re: #123 albusteve
This is one of those posts that begs for ' and monkeys may fly out of my rear end'...
:)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:02:40pm |
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:02:47pm |
re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(ding whore)
/
I can handle criticism as long as it isn't about me...
/Are you still running and playing Ball Veggie?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:03:24pm |
re: #129 HoosierHoops
I can handle criticism as long as it isn't about me...
/Are you still running and playing Ball Veggie?
What kind of game is "Ball Veggie"
,,,wait ,, I don't wanna know!
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:04:23pm |
re: #117 sattv4u2
They wouldn't, per chance, do any lobbying, would they??
No, but they do work for lobbying firms, or anyone else wanting advice on PR and getting your message heard in D.C.
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J.S. Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:05:39pm |
The other day I thought I heard a commercial about "fine dancers." and I was thinking -- What? huh? Turns out, I had heard wrong -- it was "find answers." (the perils of old age...)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:05:40pm |
re: #132 ausador
No, but they do work for lobbying firms, or anyone else THAT IS DEMOCRAT wanting advice on PR and getting your message heard in D.C.
Fair and Balanced
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:06:55pm |
re: #132 ausador
She did such a good job for Daschle... should be a lock.///
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rollwave87 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:07:38pm |
did anyone just watch chris matthews? irshad manji is my new hero. I may be a white Republican male, but Id prefer someone like her on my side over over all the glenn beck/napolitano/alex jones acolytes in the world.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:09:34pm |
re: #104 albusteve
I can't imagine the withdrawal effects if people were to be unplugged from their TV news...must be an excruciating jones
Funny you should say that. The Beckbot relative that was visiting another nearby relative of mine asked me to come over and find FNC for her on the satellite (well over a thousand frickin' channels of crap).
Anyway, she said that she hadn't seen Fox News in three days, and that she was "freaking out". Indeed, there is a withdrawal effect for some.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:09:44pm |
As far as I know, we still elect our governments here, if they act against our interest, we have the power to vote them out.
The people who occupy positions in the government display the same traits of self-interest, greed and short-sightedness as the constituents who vote for them.
That is why voters must be vigilant and conscious of what they are doing and constantly remind them that these people are serving there with our express consent.
I just get worried when the government is made out to be such a threat to our basic freedoms that it justifies acts of violence or threats of violence to curgb it. That sentiment has been growing steadily here over the past decade. And Fox is one of its voices.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:11:04pm |
re: #117 sattv4u2
They wouldn't, per chance, do any lobbying, would they??
No, they have clients like SEIU and other public-interest benevolence organizations.
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J.S. Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:13:25pm |
re: #136 rollwave87
They say things about her (here in Canada -- she was born in canada) which I won't repeat.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:14:48pm |
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tradewind Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:14:55pm |
re: #139 ralphieboy
When #43 was in office, more than one network more or less decreed... and certainly gave air time to those who insinuated... that he was the greatest threat to freedom since the Fuhrer. Fox is no more vehement in the other direction than were they.
Depends on whose ox is being gored. And speaking of, were we beaten over the head with him or what?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:16:36pm |
re: #139 ralphieboy
[snip]
The people who occupy positions in the government display the same traits of self-interest, greed and short-sightedness as the constituents who vote for them.
[snip]
Really, it's not possible that they become self-interested, greedy short-sighted after they get to Washington. Or did you just insult every single person who voted for Obama?
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:19:15pm |
re: #121 tradewind
That's pretty amazing, coming to work at the WH and announcing in advance that you'll be leaving in a few months or so. She must have felt so underused as Tom Daschle's top aide.
Well...
Anita Dunn, a Democratic media consultant and senior adviser to President Barack Obama during the fall campaign, has been named the interim communications director at the White House, according to several sources familiar with the decision.
Dunn replaces Ellen Moran, who left recently to become chief of staff to Commerce Secretary Gary Locke.
Dunn was Obama's first choice to serve as communications director but initially took a pass due to family considerations. Her acceptance of the job -- even on an interim basis -- shows how hard it is to say "no" to the president twice. -Washington Post April 30th 2009
and...
A longtime Democratic consultant, Anita Dunn, has been coaxed into joining President Obama in the White House, agreeing to be his communications director for up to several months until a permanent appointee is named, an administration adviser said Thursday.
Ms. Dunn, a senior adviser and confidant to Mr. Obama during the 2008 campaign, declined initially to take the job so that she could return to her consulting firm, which advises Democratic candidates, non-profits and business clients, and to spend more time with her son. -NY Times April 30th 2009
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rollwave87 Wed, Nov 11, 2009 3:22:21pm |
re: #141 J.S.
They say things about her (here in Canada -- she was born in canada) which I won't repeat.
well, I say she's an American patriot.
| 147 |
Athens Runaway Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:09:08pm |
re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth
Funny you should say that. The Beckbot relative that was visiting another nearby relative of mine asked me to come over and find FNC for her on the satellite (well over a thousand frickin' channels of crap).
Anyway, she said that she hadn't seen Fox News in three days, and that she was "freaking out". Indeed, there is a withdrawal effect for some.
Data is not the plural of anecedote.
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MinisterO Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:30:02pm |
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shai_au Wed, Nov 11, 2009 6:18:32pm |
Sorry about the snarky, sarcastic comments I posted earlier. I'm kinda stressed about an imminent exam, and said stuff without thinking it through properly. I do think that more than a few Fox hosts are prone to outright fibbing at times, and that they should not get a free pass by saying "oh, but they're an opinion program, it's just their opinion" - but claiming that "lots of people" at Fox News do that was too much, and quite wrong.
Anyway, I might say more things about it later, when the exam is over and (hopefully) I'll be thinking with a clearer mind. Cheers.
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