1 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:12:57pm

Green light means go.

2 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:13:48pm

Nice sunset colors.

3 bosforus  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:14:20pm

Hello, lamppost, whatcha knowin?

4 bosforus  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:14:43pm

No, wait! Charles is in Narnia!

5 freetoken  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:16:01pm

Shadows of trees unlit by clouds reflecting the set sun... unlit too by the competing light of man, green and weak by comparison...

Of what use then is man's creation?

Music:

6 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:19:04pm

No one tell Iceweasel, but Britons may be the ugliest people in the world ...

7 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:20:13pm

Ooh, pretty picture! And with that, sleep beckons. And a NYC trip draws ever closer.

8 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:21:02pm

The Green Lantern strikes!

9 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:22:35pm

Cartman still makes me laugh.

10 Jack Burton  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:22:52pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Green light means go.

Red light, stop.
Green light, go.
Yellow light, go very fast.

11 bosforus  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:26:00pm

re: #10 ArchangelMichael

Red light, stop.
Green light, go.
Yellow light, go very fast.

In case you were wondering, yes, traffic engineers do design with the "dilemma zone" in mind.

12 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:29:27pm

Tinkerbell got one of those new municipal green jobs.

13 bosforus  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:34:16pm

Well, good night, lizards.
Good work, sleep well, I'll most likely kill you in the morning.

14 freetoken  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:35:11pm

re: #13 bosforus

g'night...

(I'll have my watch-parakeet on guard in the morning)

15 Irenicum  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:35:38pm

Delicious.
Especially in light of the precious thread.

16 Racer X  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:37:37pm

Nidal Malik Hasan - is he a:
Islamic Jihadi?
Enemy combatant?
Terrorist?
Asshole?
All of the above?

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:38:25pm

Going to bed.

18 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 10:43:27pm

re: #13 bosforus

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Fare thee well, Boss of the phosphoerescent persuasion and Zionist of the northern California coastal metropolitan area persuasion!

19 Zzyzx  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:03:32pm

re: #16 Racer X

That's to be determined. Right now, he's just a 'suspect'.

20 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:04:04pm

re: #6 karmic_inquisitor

No one tell Iceweasel, but Britons may be the ugliest people in the world ...

I find that hard to believe.

21 TedStriker  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:09:43pm

re: #20 Fenway_Nation

I find that hard to believe.

F**k yeah...good on her!

/and she's mighty easy on the eyes, I must say... ;-P

22 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:13:36pm

re: #21 talon_262

F**k yeah...good on her!

/and she's mighty easy on the eyes, I must say... ;-P

Like I said...I find it highly ironic that the combat veteran of Iraq was awarded the Miss England crown by NOT fighting.

There's also Sgt. Jill Stevens, a combat medic from the Utah National Guard's 1st Bn 211th Aviation regiment.

23 freetoken  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:22:17pm

Anyone here have experience with GoDaddy.com ?

24 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:24:01pm

re: #23 freetoken

Only in terms of comparison shopping so far.

25 freetoken  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:27:06pm

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

Well, Charles has experience with them... but I'm wondering who else has used them, especially for simpler needs.

They are big and well known, so that I guess is a plus. I'm very leery of the smaller companies in this area, given how the web is now a saturated market and data archiving and net up-time are so important.

I guess I'm looking for some sort of insight that the few extra bucks a year (over the cheaper companies) is worth it.

26 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:30:15pm

re: #23 freetoken

Well barely, I registered a domain name from them...

27 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:31:35pm

re: #25 freetoken

I couldn't tell ya- I never really went through with what I thought (at the time) was my brilliant domain name registration.

28 freetoken  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:31:59pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

I'm finding the number of options available, for doing websites, to be overwhelming.

The number of paths to perdition appears overwhelming.

29 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:32:01pm

re: #27 Fenway_Nation

I couldn't tell ya- I never really went through with what I thought (at the time) was my brilliant domain name registration.

haha, me either.

30 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:33:15pm

re: #28 freetoken

If it's not that much more $, I'd stick with what you know will be around. They have decent customer service. But again, I am NOT one with "real" website experience.

31 sagehen  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:33:18pm

People have been posting lots of soothing music tonight.

I'm in the mood for something peppier.


32 Jack Burton  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:36:34pm

re: #25 freetoken

I've used them for commercial SSL certificates. Never used any of their other services though, not even domain name registration. However if switching registrars for the domain names of the company I work for was a necessity, I would probably look into moving them there. That said, providing domain names and SSL certificates is a whole different animal than acting as a webhost.

33 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:37:51pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

I remember even looking around for some South American domain names (especially ones with .vz) so I could poke fun at Chavez's totalitarian and random decrees regarding things like golf and Coke Zero.

34 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:40:24pm

re: #33 Fenway_Nation

I remember even looking around for some South American domain names (especially ones with .vz) so I could poke fun at Chavez's totalitarian and random decrees regarding things like golf and Coke Zero.

ha! ONE of these days I'll start a blog...or maybe not.

35 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:46:37pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Apparently if I can do it, anybody can.

36 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 12, 2009 11:53:45pm

re: #35 Fenway_Nation

Good work!

37 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 12:00:30am

re: #36 Stanley Sea

Thanks...obviously I still need to figure out a few things like keeping a more permanent blogroll and generting ad revenue from it.

38 freetoken  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 12:03:35am

re: #32 ArchangelMichael

Thanks for the info... I'm looking for a service that can provide disk space, some blog/commenting capability, email, and domain registration/hosting. I can design most of the front end (web page) myself.

39 freetoken  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 12:23:17am
40 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 12:34:01am

Saint Louis Glider Crash, 1943

My dad (who was from Missouri) was an eyewitness to this crash so I had known about it since I was quite small. I had never seen this full set of photos before today though.
The accident was heavily publicized because it occurred at an airshow in front of thousands and because some VIPs, including St. Louis mayor Bill Becker, were on board. Investigators eventually traced the fatal structural failure to defective parts that had been produced by a coffin maker!
The builder, Robertson Aircraft, was also blamed for inadequate care in selecting sub-contractors. Their president and founder, William Robertson, escaped any personal consequences because, as it happened, he was also aboard the glider that day.

41 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 12:44:05am

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

*Facepalm* Should have said "legal consequences" since, obviously, being smashed to death in your own defective glider is a severe consequence and quite personal.

42 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 12:46:10am

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

I'm not going to nitpick.

Odd, fascinating tale there.

43 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 1:06:33am

re: #42 Fenway_Nation

I'm not going to nitpick.

Odd, fascinating tale there.

Lubbock, where I live and where my parents met, is the home of the Silent Wings Museum, which commemorates the US glider forces in WW2. A large fraction of military glider pilots were trained here, at what was then called Lubbock Army airfield. Glider assaults were harrowing duty and losses were very high.
The military assault glider was almost exclusively a creature of the Second World War. A new development at the beginning of the war, they were rendered obsolete within a few years by the introduction of helicopters and heavy airdrop techniques.
The museum is housed in the old Lubbock airport terminal, a very nifty federal deco style building constructed just after WW2. One of my earliest memories is of leaving there with my folks for the first leg of a long trip to Japan in 1954. It has a huge open lobby with a beautiful mosaic floor showing the points of the compass, and these great tall green-tinted windows. The control tower is on top and done in the same style. It actually looks like someone of my years would think an airport should look like. In contrast, the current terminal, built in the 80s, resembles nothing so much as one of Jabba the Hutt's desert fortresses.

44 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 1:20:00am

Hmm...looks like some one is poking fun at Ken Ham's creation museum again, this time with parody.

[Link: www.unicornmuseum.org...]

45 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 1:28:38am

re: #44 ausador

Basilisk Petting Zoo - Now Open
New Exhibit: The Gnome Experience
In the UM Giftshop: UniHorn Powder - Better Than Viagra!
Special Guest Appearance by the IPU CANCELLED
KidzCrafts: DIY Chimera Workshop

46 freetoken  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 1:50:04am
47 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 1:52:10am

So remember, no matter how big, powerful, or revered you are, you can still always resort to using petty blackmail to get your way...

The Catholic Archdiocese of Washington said Wednesday that it will be unable to continue the social service programs it runs for the District if the city doesn't change a proposed same-sex marriage law, a threat that could affect tens of thousands of people the church helps with adoption, homelessness and health care.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

49 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:00:33am

re: #10 ArchangelMichael

Red light, stop.
Green light, go.
Yellow light, go very fast.

Somthing I have seen here in Old Europe, but never in the 'States are traffic lights that cycle briefly through yellow between red and green.

Ostensibly for all those stick-driving Europeans (automatic is still the exception here) to get it in gear for the light to change to green.

But I think it's a great idea. For that the Europeans do not do Right on Red.

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:02:34am

re: #49 ralphieboy
So, kinda like a "Christmas Tree" at drag races?

51 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:08:01am

Obama loses another chief staffer, he does seem to be having some sort of problem keeping people aboard the bus...

The White House's top lawyer will announce his resignation on Friday, senior administration officials said.

White House counsel Greg Craig has been the subject of questions about his future since late summer, dogged by talk that President Barack Obama's promise to close the controversial Guantanamo Bay military prison by January went awry under Craig's leadership.

Craig also oversaw the president's revamping of U.S. policy on terrorism interrogations and detentions, including a ban on torture, and was at the center of administration moves to release many documents relating to the treatment of terror suspects under the Bush administration — and to oppose the release of photos of abuse of detainees overseas by U.S. personnel. All those decisions earned Obama considerable criticism, some from the right and some from the left.

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:10:49am

re: #51 ausador

Obama loses another chief staffer, he does seem to be having some sort of problem keeping people aboard the bus...


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

At least the bus is stopping so he can get off of it as opposed to being thrown under it.

53 Hengineer  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:21:28am

re: #49 ralphieboy

Somthing I have seen here in Old Europe, but never in the 'States are traffic lights that cycle briefly through yellow between red and green.

Ostensibly for all those stick-driving Europeans (automatic is still the exception here) to get it in gear for the light to change to green.

But I think it's a great idea. For that the Europeans do not do Right on Red.


I'll never understand why so many Americans hate driving stick. Is it a woman thing?

54 Hengineer  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:22:00am

re: #53 Hengineer

I'll never understand why so many Americans hate driving stick. Is it a woman thing?


Before you hate, I'm honestly trying to know. I myself drive a stick and I love the control you have over the speed of the vehicle.

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:24:52am

re: #54 Hengineer

Before you hate, I'm honestly trying to know. I myself drive a stick and I love the control you have over the speed of the vehicle.

I have never purchased a new car, but back in the day it cost extra for an automatic tranny. Now automatics come with the car and it is extra for a standard tranny. I prefer a stick. Just gives you better control, you are right.

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:26:45am

re: #54 Hengineer

People using automatics depend to much on the braking system. People who drive standards use the gearing.

57 Hengineer  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:29:39am

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

People using automatics depend to much on the braking system. People who drive standards use the gearing.

I know, I slow down a lot just by down-shifting. The only part where sticks are annoying are in stop and go traffic, just because you have to keep engaging and disengaging the clutch.

As to the "woman" question, just about every other woman I know doesn't know how to drive stick and WON'T learn (cough cough girlfriend cough).

58 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:33:29am

re: #57 Hengineer

Years ago, I was going out of town and my female roommate wanted to borrow my car, so I took her for a test drive. Serious fail. But, when I got back into town she was a champ driving a stick. Also, as a kid I learned how to drive a stick (age 11) in a flat nose Econoline Ford truck with a 3 speed on the column. Fun.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:46:49am

re: #58 Cannadian Club Akbar

Years ago, I was going out of town and my female roommate wanted to borrow my car, so I took her for a test drive. Serious fail. But, when I got back into town she was a champ driving a stick. Also, as a kid I learned how to drive a stick (age 11) in a flat nose Econoline Ford truck with a 3 speed on the column. Fun.

I only learned to drive stick when I bought my first new car in 1988 and automatic was extra. They just never caught on in Europe to the extent that they did in America.

Remember Hydramatic push-button dashboard shifts? They went the was of the Edsel, and about the same time.

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:48:37am

re: #59 ralphieboy

I only learned to drive stick when I bought my first new car in 1988 and automatic was extra. They just never caught on in Europe to the extent that they did in America.

Remember Hydramatic push-button dashboard shifts? They went the was of the Edsel, and about the same time.

I actually drove an old Duster when I was a kid that had that. What a bunch of crap. And no power steering.

61 Hengineer  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:49:13am

not many people up i guess

62 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:49:31am

Oh shit, somebody pinch me and wake me up...not another vote counting fuck-up...please no...

Did Democrat Owens really win in NY-23?
Though he's already been sworn in to the House, Bill Owens' lead over his conservative opponent is shrinking

This morning, however, a different story began to emerge. Although Hoffman was reportedly down by 5,335 votes when he conceded the election last Tuesday night, a recanvassing of the county’s 11 districts has Hoffman trailing Owens by just 3,026 votes -- 63,672 to 66,698. The largest voting error was found in what was supposed to be Hoffman’s stronghold, Oswego County. Election night reports there showed the Conservative Party candidate holding onto a slim lead of 500 votes; the revised results have Hoffman’s margin at 1,748.

The results of the recanvassing mean that the election will be decided by a count of absentee ballots. More than 11,000 were reportedly distributed.

The whole matter is further complicated by the fact that Hoffman conceded the election last Tuesday night. This allowed Owens to be sworn into office last Friday, and to cast a much-needed vote in favor of the House Democrats’ healthcare plan the very next day. The Hoffman campaign has begun investigating its legal options.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:51:07am

re: #62 ausador

Those are absentee ballots. While Owens was sworn in, if there is a change he will be removed.

64 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:53:01am

re: #62 ausador


Don't worry...I'm sure Owens' lawyers will find some more ballots in the trunk of some pollworker's car.

//

65 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:55:16am

re: #64 Fenway_Nation

Don't worry...I'm sure Owens' lawyers will find some more ballots in the trunk of some pollworker's car.

//

Every time there is a problem with ballots in Florida, there is usually a Dem as Supervisor of Elections for the county involved. And I'm not just saying that to bash Dems.

66 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:56:39am

Not just the absentee ballots, the totals as reported by several of the districts was off too. Which leaves Owens with less of a lead before the absentee ballots are even counted. I simply can't understand why it is impossible for us to have elections in this country without miscounting ballots and disputed ballots. After 2000 the government threw billions at the problem, yet every time something gets screwed up it seems like.

67 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:00:10am

re: #66 ausador

My county had the ballots where you fill in a bubble, kinda like test in skool. We have never had a problem. And BTW, if you screw up the bubble thing, you raise your hand and a worker will get you a new ballot.

68 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:00:12am

Hasan had a business card with SoA (Soldier of Allah) on it? WTF?

69 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:01:26am

What does the (SWT) following it mean?

SoA(SWT)?

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:02:17am

re: #68 MandyManners

Hasan had a business card with SoA (Soldier of Allah) on it? WTF?

There were rumors that he is paralyzed. Anyone else hear that?

71 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:02:36am

SWT means Glory to Allah.

72 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:03:07am

re: #70 Cannadian Club Akbar

There were rumors that he is paralyzed. Anyone else hear that?

I haven't.

73 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:03:27am

He had an HIV drug in his apartment?

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:05:41am

My radio just said KSM and 4 other Gitmo Dbags will face trial in NYC. WTF? It was a breaking AP story.

75 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:06:24am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said KSM and 4 other Gitmo Dbags will face trial in NYC. WTF? It was a breaking AP story.


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

76 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:06:42am

re: #68 MandyManners

Hasan had a business card with SoA (Soldier of Allah) on it? WTF?

Don't all Army Colonels have those?

/

77 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:06:58am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said KSM and 4 other Gitmo Dbags will face trial in NYC. WTF? It was a breaking AP story.

Will his sister attend the trial?

78 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:08:05am

re: #76 ausador

Don't all Army Colonels have those?

/

These didn't have any military insignia on them. Was he freelancing?

79 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:08:35am

re: #76 ausador

Don't all Army Colonels have those?

/

Major but, who's quibbling?

80 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:10:36am

re: #65 Cannadian Club Akbar

I understand that's a problem in Minnesota and Washington State, too.

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:14:02am

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

I understand that's a problem in Minnesota and Washington State, too.

I remember in Washington State, there were more votes than voters in King county a while back and they ended up with a Dem gubner. Gregoire (sp?) won.

82 Fart Knocker  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:15:19am

Good Morning Lizards.

Freetoken, Another satisfied GoDaddy customer here. Use them for webhost and domain name.

83 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:16:54am

re: #82 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Lizards.

Freetoken, Another satisfied GoDaddy customer here. Use them for webhost and domain name.

I used them to register a domain name. It has since lapsed. They were cheapest and had really good Super Bowl commercials.:)

84 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:17:59am

re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar

Same page:

ACORN sues over losing tax dollars.

Representatives for ACORN sued the federal government Thursday morning in an attempt to regain the millions of dollars in funding the community organizing group lost after filmmakers videotaped its workers offering advice on how to commit tax fraud and various other felonies.

The suit charges Congress with violating the Constitution when it passed legislation in September that specifically targeted ACORN to lose federal housing, education and transportation funds.

That qualifies the legislation as bills of attainder, according to the Center for Constitutional Rights, which filed the suit on behalf of ACORN. A bill of attainder punishes a person or group without the benefit of a trial, and is illegal under Article 1 of the Constitution.

Bills of attainder have traditionally been understood to have more serious legal consequences -- including the seizure of private property and even capital punishment -- than Congress' decision to withhold funds that are at its discretion to disseminate. Though members of Congress have accused ACORN of corruption, it is not clear how the exercise of its own prerogative is outside the bounds of legislative power.

SNIP

Since when is it a Constitutional right for a private group to receive tax money? How is cutting it off a punishment of crime?

85 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:18:14am

re: #66 ausador


After 2000...wan't the general public too stupid to use a regular paper ballot- hence the introcution of touchscreen voting?

And in 2004, didn't the same people who start shrieking about the complexities of punching a hole through a piece of paper start mewling about how the manufacturer of the Diebold machines stole the election from Jean Francois Kerrie?

/But curiously, no complaints about Diebold from 2006 on...

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:19:21am

re: #84 MandyManners

I hear they have friends in high places.

87 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:20:32am

re: #85 Fenway_Nation

Also remember, Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and Hillary said we needed to get rid of the electoral college. Funny, haven't heard much since.

88 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:21:14am

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hear they have friends in high places.

Look at the list of defendants: The lawsuit itself singles out three defendants -- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; Director of the Office of Management and the Budget Peter Orszag, and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan.

89 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:21:56am

Marty Beckerman's column in Salon is worth a read for the laughs.

Hi, I'm Marty, and I'm a recovering Republican
I was a feminazi-hating, liberal-bashing loudmouth who tried to befriend Bill O'Reilly. Man, I was such a douche

Every day I wake up with the same thought: "I used to be such a goddamned idiot."

I am a former Republican. And I wasn't merely the libertarian, live-and-let-live, fun-at-parties kind of conservative whose primary concern is balancing the budget; I was a spiteful, narrow-minded, fire-breathing paranoid lunatic who questioned the patriotism and morality of my liberal fellow citizens. Recognizing the error of my ways has done wonders for my mental health but left me with constant, unremitting remorse; I really want to go back in time and kick my own ass.

(snip)

I should have seen the danger of sealing myself in an echo chamber to prevent contamination from outside viewpoints; I began only hanging out with conservative true believers, only reading conservative books, only getting my news from conservative media outlets. In order to avoid journalistic "left-wing bias," I embraced right-wing bias, foolishly confusing sensationalist entertainment with debate and truth-telling. Outrage became my drug of choice.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:23:41am

re: #89 ausador

I could write the same thing in reverse from my time as a liberal democrat.

91 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:25:10am

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

I could write the same thing in reverse from my time as a liberal democrat.

I could probably say the same from time as a Communist.

92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:26:02am

re: #91 MandyManners

I could probably say the same from time as a Communist.

Do ya still have the furry hat with the red star?

93 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:28:20am

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do ya still have the furry hat with the red star?

Nah. I looked just like everyone around me. In fact, I looked a lot more conservative than most in my Brooks Brothers shirts and blazers and Bass loafers.

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:31:02am

Has CAIR made a statement yet in regards to the mosque that were seized?

95 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:31:55am

Maoists on the move.

Communist guerrillas raided and torched a logging company in the southern Philippines and killed at least 12 people in a shootout with security forces, officials said on Friday.

At least 11 New People's Army (NPA) guerrillas were also killed in Wednesday's battle, in Surigao del Sur province on the southern island of Mindanao, army spokesman Major Michele Anayron said.

"We lost eight soldiers when our reinforcement was ambushed, but we killed 11 rebels in the counter-attack," Anayron said, adding four people were killed in the initial raid.


SNIP

96 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:33:23am

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

Has CAIR made a statement yet in regards to the mosque that were seized?

None that I've heard. Hoopie-the-shit-slingning monkey is probably apoplectic.

97 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:35:06am

This is why I call 911...
[Link: www2.tbo.com...]

98 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:35:07am

Much like its death-defying dives for fish, the brown pelican has resurfaced after plummeting to the brink of extinction.

Interior Department officials on Wednesday announced that they were taking the bird off the endangered species list, after a nearly four-decade struggle to keep the brown pelican population afloat.

The bird now prevalent across Florida, the Gulf and Pacific coasts and the Caribbean was declared an endangered species in 1970, after its population — much like those of the bald eagle and peregrine falcon — was decimated by the use of the pesticide DDT. The chemical, consumed when the pelican ate tainted fish, caused it to lay eggs with shells so thin they broke during incubation.

SNIP


Pelican omelets, anyone?

99 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:35:58am

Good Morning LGF.
Over-crowding Under Bus Alert:
White House counsel Greg Craig gets thrown under the bus for crappy Gitmo closure advice. His expected replacement will be Bob Bauer, husband of none other than soon to depart press secretary Anita Dunn.
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

100 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:36:43am

re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is why I call 911...
[Link: www2.tbo.com...]

I love his mug shot. He looks surprised.

101 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:37:00am

re: #99 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
Over-crowding Under Bus Alert:
White House counsel Greg Craig gets thrown under the bus for crappy Gitmo closure advice. His expected replacement will be Bob Bauer, husband of none other than soon to depart press secretary Anita Dunn.
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

Well, fuck.

102 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:38:55am

re: #99 Spare O'Lake

They just announced KSM is going to be put on trial in a civilian court in NYC. You see that too?

103 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:39:53am

re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is why I call 911...
[Link: www2.tbo.com...]

Lol. Dude, that's what the interwebz is for!
/

104 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:39:54am

re: #102 RogueOne

They just announced KSM is going to be put on trial in a civilian court in NYC. You see that too?

And 4 of his buddies.

105 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:40:03am

BHO is jacking his jaw at a presser in Japan. I wonder if he's gonna' apologize for Fat Man and Little Boy.

106 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:40:23am

FTA: Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court, an Obama administration official said Friday.

The official said Attorney General Eric Holder plans to announce the decision later in the morning.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

107 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:40:33am

re: #102 RogueOne

They just announced KSM is going to be put on trial in a civilian court in NYC. You see that too?

Will they get civilian rights?

108 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:40:48am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

wow, wtf are they thinking?

109 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:41:52am

re: #107 MandyManners

IANAL but I would think they'd have to. Rules are rules and all.

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:42:25am

re: #107 MandyManners

Will they get civilian rights?

In the military system, the five Sept. 11 suspects had faced the death penalty, but the official would not say if the Justice Department would also seek capital punishment against the men once they are in the federal system.

111 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:42:52am

re: #106 RogueOne

FTA: Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court, an Obama administration official said Friday.

The official said Attorney General Eric Holder plans to announce the decision later in the morning.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

In the military system, the five Sept. 11 suspects had faced the death penalty, but the official would not say if the Justice Department would also seek capital punishment against the men once they are in the federal system.

What are the chances?

112 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:43:10am

re: #109 RogueOne

IANAL but I would think they'd have to. Rules are rules and all.

IANAL?

113 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:43:30am

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

In the military system, the five Sept. 11 suspects had faced the death penalty, but the official would not say if the Justice Department would also seek capital punishment against the men once they are in the federal system.

GMTA.

114 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:44:10am

re: #112 MandyManners

IANAL?

I am not a lawyer.

115 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:44:17am

re: #107 MandyManners

I almost hope they do, maybe then the independents will really see what they got is not what was advertised. Between them and Major Hassan who can only be executed with Presidential approval it will be a real test of our President, and a present vote just won't cut it.

116 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:45:08am

They are also moving a USS Cole bombing suspect to South Carolina.

117 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:45:49am

Carbecues this weekend?


French President Nicolas Sarkozy says there is no place for full face and body veils such as the burqa, or for the debasement of women, in France.

Sarkozy says all beliefs will be respected in France but says "becoming French means adhering to a form of civilization, to values, to morals."

SNIP

118 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:46:12am

re: #111 MandyManners

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah, I noticed that. If they don't try to stick a needle in these guys arms Obama will be a one term prez.

119 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:46:29am

re: #114 Varek Raith

I am not a lawyer.

Thank you. (I gotta' say I was snickering when I pronounced the abbreviation out loud.)

120 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:47:26am

re: #98 MandyManners

Much like its death-defying dives for fish, the brown pelican has resurfaced after plummeting to the brink of extinction.


I thought they recovered because Julia Roberts exposed the assassination plot against the Supreme Court justices that would have voted to save the pelicans? Now I'm cofuseded...

121 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:47:26am

re: #115 soxfan4life

I almost hope they do, maybe then the independents will really see what they got is not what was advertised. Between them and Major Hassan who can only be executed with Presidential approval it will be a real test of our President, and a present vote just won't cut it.

Must a president approve executions in the federal system?

122 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:47:33am

re: #102 RogueOne

They just announced KSM is going to be put on trial in a civilian court in NYC. You see that too?

Why is this Islamofascist pig still alive?

123 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:48:30am

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

They are also moving a USS Cole bombing suspect to South Carolina.

Yeah but, he'll be going to a brig.

124 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:48:50am

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

Why is this Islamofascist pig still alive?

My hope would be that they are still enjoying waterboarding his ass on a daily basis, but I'm betting that's not it.

125 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:49:01am

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

Why is this Islamofascist pig still alive?

Because we're a civilized nation.

126 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:50:08am

re: #121 MandyManners

Must a president approve executions in the federal system?

Hassan is being tried by Court Martial and as CIC he must give approval for the death penalty to be carried out.

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:51:12am

A tanker of Canadian Club flipped in Kentucky and spilled 7000 gallons. I weep for that. My radio just told me.:(

128 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:52:10am

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

A tanker of Canadian Club flipped in Kentucky and spilled 7000 gallons. I weep for that. My radio just told me.:(

{Cannadian Club Akbar}

:)

129 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:52:35am

re: #126 soxfan4life

Hassan is being tried by Court Martial and as CIC he must give approval for the death penalty to be carried out.

I'm talking about civilians.

130 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:52:57am

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

A tanker of Canadian Club flipped in Kentucky and spilled 7000 gallons. I weep for that. My radio just told me.:(

We need comprehensive tanker reform. Alcohol abuse on this level should not and will not be acceptable to Americans everywhere.

131 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:53:07am

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

A tanker of Canadian Club flipped in Kentucky and spilled 7000 gallons. I weep for that. My radio just told me.:(

If you get started now, you might be able to find a few shallow pools.

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:53:33am

re: #129 MandyManners

I'm talking about civilians.

I think it will ultimately be up to the judge, regardless of the jury vote, if there is one.

133 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:53:58am

SHUT UP, BHO. I wanna' know what's happenng in the world.

134 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:54:12am

re: #131 MandyManners

If you get started now, you might be able to find a few shallow pools.

I thought the entire state of kentucky was the shallow end of the gene pool?

/hoosier

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:54:28am

re: #130 soxfan4life

re: #131 MandyManners

We need a tanker of ice and I'll need a can of pepsi to make this OK.
/

136 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:55:24am

re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think it will ultimately be up to the judge, regardless of the jury vote, if there is one.

How often does a judge over-ride a jury's decision?

137 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:55:52am

re: #136 MandyManners

How often does a judge over-ride a jury's decision?

Not often as far as I know.

138 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:56:11am

re: #134 RogueOne

*whack*

That's where Basil Hayden's is distilled, you infidel!

139 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:56:32am

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #131 MandyManners

We need a tanker of ice and I'll need a can of pepsi to make this OK.
/

You mix?

*swoon*

140 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:56:50am

re: #129 MandyManners

I'm talking about civilians.

Presidents can commute any federal prisoners sentence of death.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:57:09am

re: #139 MandyManners

You mix?

*swoon*

Just a splash.:)

142 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:57:15am

re: #125 MandyManners

Because we're a civilized nation.


Justice delayed is justice denied. If they were going to give this terrorist prick a trial, it should have been done a long time ago - 8+ years just seems far too long for this "9-11 mastermind" to still be emitting CO2.

143 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:57:40am

re: #137 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not often as far as I know.

I wonder how tight security will be for those trials. As planned, they'll be a hop, skip and a jump from Ground Zero. Poor New Yorkers.

144 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:58:10am

re: #140 soxfan4life

Presidents can commute any federal prisoners sentence of death.

I'm aware of that.

145 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:58:23am

Headed to work, bbl.

146 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 3:58:52am

re: #142 Spare O'Lake

Justice delayed is justice denied. If they were going to give this terrorist prick a trial, it should have been done a long time ago - 8+ years just seems far too long for this "9-11 mastermind" to still be emitting CO2.

It was fairly quick for Muhammed.

147 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:01:47am

I'm watching The Dirty Dozen. It is quite the humorous movie.

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:02:36am

re: #147 MandyManners

I'm watching The Dirty Dozen. It is quite the humorous movie.


That movie rocks. Many stars in it.

149 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:03:22am

Good Morning. And happy Friday the 13th to all of you who believe in that sort of thing.

150 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:03:29am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

That movie rocks. Many stars in it.

Savalas' character might fit in with jihadis nowadays.

151 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:03:41am

re: #146 MandyManners

It was fairly quick for Muhammed.

Figure a couple of years of pre-trial maneuvers, a couple of years for the trial and 5 or 10 years of appeals. Hell, I'll be lucky to live to see this ugly asswipe eat dirt!

152 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:04:16am

re: #149 Bloodnok

Good Morning. And happy Friday the 13th to all of you who believe in that sort of thing.

[Video]

The scene in your avatar sends chils down my spine.

153 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:04:42am

re: #151 Spare O'Lake

Figure a couple of years of pre-trial maneuvers, a couple of years for the trial and 5 or 10 years of appeals. Hell, I'll be lucky to live to see this ugly asswipe eat dirt!

Now, there's a cheery thought!

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:05:07am

re: #151 Spare O'Lake

I don't remember how long it took to off Tim Mc Veigh, but I think it was quicker then any state trying to apply the death penalty.

155 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:06:53am

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't remember how long it took to off Tim Mc Veigh, but I think it was quicker then any state trying to apply the death penalty.

But, IIRC, Tim still had appeals that could have been filed but he chose not to. Sorry.

156 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:07:34am

A former far-right British member of the European Parliament who cheated on his expense money to buy fine wine and a car was jailed on Wednesday for two years.

"This fraud was so blatant, I do not believe for one moment you were disadvantaged in understanding the system or that this fraud should be seen as falling into some grey area which you might not have fully comprehended," Judge Geoffrey Rivlin said in sentencing Tom Wise, 61, a former representative for the fringe UK Independence Party.

Wise, who represented the UKIP before becoming an independent, spent a year channeling some 40,000 pounds ($66,080) in taxpayers' cash into a bank account he secretly controlled.

He maintained a 3,000-pound "secretarial assistance allowance" he received every month was for his researcher, but paid her just 500 pounds while keeping the rest for himself, buying a car, expensive wines and paying off debts.

SNIP

The probe into Wise was unrelated to an expenses scandal which embarrassed politicians and damaged trust in Britain's parliament earlier this year. Taxpayers were shocked to learn that some lawmakers had claimed expenses ranging from porn films to moat cleaning.

157 freetoken  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:09:21am

I see that Steele caved rather quickly on the abortion coverage in the RNC health provider coverage. According to the news article I put in the links, the RNC has had this coverage since 1991.

From Steele's comments, I can only conclude that the right to life groups are now the deciding donors to the RNC kitty.

158 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:09:56am

re: #152 MandyManners

The scene in your avatar sends chils down my spine.

Cool! That's my favorite picture I've ever taken.

159 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:10:00am

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't remember how long it took to off Tim Mc Veigh, but I think it was quicker then any state trying to apply the death penalty.

About six years.

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:10:49am

re: #77 MandyManners

Will his sister attend the trial?

ACK!

161 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:11:00am

re: #158 Bloodnok

Cool! That's my favorite picture I've ever taken.

Is that near your home?

162 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:11:34am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ACK!

I might wake up a few.

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:12:04am

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't remember how long it took to off Tim Mc Veigh, but I think it was quicker then any state trying to apply the death penalty.

VA has an express lane...

164 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:12:31am

Frank Gaffney says that some chaplains are members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

165 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:13:14am

re: #161 MandyManners

Is that near your home?

It used to be when I lived in that part of Boston. It is right across from the Museum of Fine Arts -by Northeastern University.

166 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:14:40am

re: #165 Bloodnok

It used to be when I lived in that part of Boston. It is right across from the Museum of Fine Arts -by Northeastern University.

Did you pahk your cah in Havahd Yahd?

167 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:14:59am

re: #129 MandyManners

I'm talking about civilians.

Presidents can commute any federal prisoners sentence of death.re: #165 Bloodnok

I thought it was Huntington Ave.

168 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:15:34am

re: #167 soxfan4life

Presidents can commute any federal prisoners sentence of death.re: #165 Bloodnok

I thought it was Huntington Ave.

As I said, I'm aware of that.

169 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:16:25am

re: #168 MandyManners

That was a mistake. I meant just to post the Huntington Ave comment.

170 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:17:22am

re: #169 soxfan4life

That was a mistake. I meant just to post the Huntington Ave comment.

Where ever it is, it looks bone-ass cold. Another reason why I was glad to leave Denver.

171 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:18:00am

re: #167 soxfan4life

Presidents can commute any federal prisoners sentence of death.re: #165 Bloodnok

I thought it was Huntington Ave.

And you wuz right. I'm on the South Shore now. Used to live off Huntington and in the North End.

172 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:18:18am

re: #170 MandyManners

Where ever it is, it looks bone-ass cold. Another reason why I was glad to leave Denver.

Oh it is, and one of several reasons I was glad to leave MA.

173 freetoken  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:18:58am

Since Japan will be in the news today...

Japan ruling party chief: Christianity 'exclusive'

A powerful member of Japan's ruling party criticized Christianity as an "exclusive" religion that is weighing down Western society.

"Christianity and Islam are both exclusive. Civilizations based on exclusive Christianity are reflected in Western societies that have ground to a halt," said Ichiro Ozawa, secretary-general of the Democratic Party of Japan, on Tuesday.

[...]

It should be noted that Ozawa was the head of the DPJ (the party currently in power, upsetting long dominant LDP) until the party ran into a small scandal a few months ago.

174 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:20:01am

re: #172 soxfan4life

Oh it is, and one of several reasons I was glad to leave MA.

There ain't enough money in the world to get me to move back that far north.

175 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:20:15am

re: #166 MandyManners

Did you pahk your cah in Havahd Yahd?

:)

No accent here. But my "car was towed from Symphony Road" quite a few times. Parking sucks in Boston.

176 right_wing2  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:20:40am

[Link: www.911familiesforamerica.org...]

9/11 families are petitioning President Obama to try the conspirators in military tribunals, rather than in federal court.

177 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:21:38am

re: #175 Bloodnok

:)

No accent here. But my "car was towed from Symphony Road" quite a few times. Parking sucks in Boston.

Another reason to hate city life. They get you coming and going.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:21:41am

Happy Triskaidekaphobia Day!

179 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:21:48am

re: #170 MandyManners

Where ever it is, it looks bone-ass cold. Another reason why I was glad to leave Denver.

It is. And I, for one am tired of it. I'll be one of those MA expats one day migrating south to warmer climes.

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:22:38am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Happy Triskaidekaphobia Day!

BOOGA!!!

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:23:19am

re: #170 MandyManners

I have never heard that expression. Bone-ass cold? Very descriptive. Makes a lot more sense than "cold as shit". That one always kinda bothered me.

182 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:23:29am

re: #179 Bloodnok

It is. And I, for one am tired of it. I'll be one of those MA expats one day migrating south to warmer climes.

You'll be a GDY?

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:23:47am

re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar

BOOGA!!!

Don't DOOO that!

184 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:24:29am

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have never heard that expression. Bone-ass cold? Very descriptive. Makes a lot more sense than "cold as shit". That one always kinda bothered me.

Ever see the steam coming off a cow patty in a meadow?

185 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:24:34am

re: #182 MandyManners

You'll be a GDY?

I will don my carpetbag with pride.

186 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:24:56am

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't DOOO that!

Watch out for black cats!

187 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:26:09am

re: #185 Bloodnok

I will don my carpetbag with pride.

Just don't complain about the humidity and the bugs.

188 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:27:00am

re: #179 Bloodnok

It is. And I, for one am tired of it. I'll be one of those MA expats one day migrating south to warmer climes.

Not to rub it in or anything, but it is fixin to be about 80 today here in Texas.

189 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:27:09am

re: #187 MandyManners

Just don't complain about the humidity and the bugs.

It's only hot 8 months a year here.

190 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:27:37am

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't DOOO that!

Meow.

191 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:28:01am

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's only hot 8 months a year here.

And, then it dips into the 70s?

192 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:28:09am

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone I worked with up there was from NC and said there was about 4 months out of the year it was worth living there.

193 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:29:32am

re: #191 MandyManners

And, then it dips into the 70s?

70's today. 80's next week.

194 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:30:09am

re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar

70's today. 80's next week.

*WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK*

195 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:30:12am

re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cold front come through did it?

196 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:31:30am

re: #195 soxfan4life

Cold front come through did it?

Was in the 50's this morning. Love it!!

197 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:33:38am

re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was in the 50's this morning. Love it!!

About how it is here in TX. Why did I ever leave?

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:34:23am

re: #197 soxfan4life

About how it is here in TX. Why did I ever leave?

I'll never leave Florida. Evah!!

199 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:35:06am

re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll never leave Florida. Evah!!

It will take an act of Congress to get me to leave TX.

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:35:16am

re: #184 MandyManners

Ever see the steam coming off a cow patty in a meadow?

Yep... which is why the phrase always confused me.

201 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:36:11am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep... which is why the phrase always confused me.

Have you been inundated by Ida?

202 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:37:09am

Spitzer was invited to speak at Harvard on ethics?!

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:38:29am

re: #201 MandyManners

Rained for four straight days, if that's what you mean. Bunch of friends have water in their basements, not me... so I guess I'm blessed.

204 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:39:04am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rained for four straight days, if that's what you mean. Bunch of friends have water in their basements, not me... so I guess I'm blessed.

Bet the plants love it.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:39:55am

re: #202 MandyManners

Spitzer was invited to speak at Harvard on ethics?!

"If the hooker does not work for a pimp, it is not necessary to tip her."

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:40:19am

re: #201 MandyManners

Have you been inundated by Ida?

A local radio guy's wife's plane got diverted to Richmond from somewhere else.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:40:25am

re: #204 MandyManners

Bet the plants love it.

And it stripped the trees BARE.

208 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:41:22am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"If the hooker does not work for a pimp, it is not necessary to tip her."

Once again my sinuses get irrigated with coffee.

209 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:41:31am

re: #188 soxfan4life

Not to rub it in or anything, but it is fixin to be about 80 today here in Texas.

It's 49 with 20 mph winds right now.

Bah, fie, and meh to the extreme.

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:41:40am

re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar

A local radio guy's wife's plane got diverted to Richmond from somewhere else.

Or vice versa.

211 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:43:04am

re: #187 MandyManners

Just don't complain about the humidity and the bugs.

It's a deal.

212 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:43:17am

Soldier of Allah (Glory be to Allah).

What's in your wallet?

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:43:44am

Crap. I gotta get ready for work. My first day, a cook and the kitchen manager got into a fight and the cook walked out. Thank goodness my interview went well yesterday. See ya'll this afternoon.

214 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:43:46am

re: #211 Bloodnok

It's a deal.

You can bitch about the mosquitos.

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:45:55am

re: #208 MandyManners

You. Are. Welcome.

216 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:48:27am

re: #214 MandyManners

You can bitch about the mosquitos.

As long as it's above 49 degrees with 20 mph winds I will treasure every bite.

217 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:49:43am

re: #216 Bloodnok

As long as it's above 49 degrees with 20 mph winds I will treasure every bite.

You are easy-going!

218 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:54:03am

re: #202 MandyManners

From one of the threads yesterday:

Former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's lecture does not appear to be directly addressing the issue of ethics, though there's no guarantee he won't be asked a question on that topic.
...
University officials say the address will stick to fiscal issues. Spitzer is speaking on the topic of conditions that lead to government intervention in the private economy and is not expected to deliver any kind of seminar on morality.

219 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:54:28am

Why must the president call for investigation into Hasan? To make it look like he's doing something?

220 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:56:36am

re: #218 3kids3dogs

From one of the threads yesterday:

Former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's lecture does not appear to be directly addressing the issue of ethics, though there's no guarantee he won't be asked a question on that topic.
...
University officials say the address will stick to fiscal issues. Spitzer is speaking on the topic of conditions that lead to government intervention in the private economy and is not expected to deliver any kind of seminar on morality.

I wonder if he's been talking to Soros' people.

"Large swaths of economics are going to have to be rethought on the basis of what's happened." So said Larry Summers, President Obama's chief economic adviser, in an interview in the weeks after the markets crashed a year ago. Yet to a remarkable degree, economic thinking hasn't changed very much at all.

Now financier George Soros is announcing a $50 million effort to speed things along. This week Soros is gathering some of the leading practitioners of the market-skeptic school, who were marginalized during the era of "free-market fundamentalism," among them Nobelists Joseph Stiglitz, George Akerlof, Michael Spence, and Sir James Mirrlees. He's also creating an "Institute for New Economic Thinking" to make research grants, convene symposiums, and establish a journal, all in an effort to take back the economics profession from the champions of free-market zealotry who have dominated it for decades, and to correct the failures of decades of market deregulation. Soros hopes matching funds will bring the total endowment up to $200 million. "Economics has failed not only to predict and explain what happened but has also failed to protect society," says Robert Johnson, a former managing director at Soros Fund Management, who will direct the new institute. "That's what the crisis revealed. The paradigm has failed. There is no guidance."

SNIP

221 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:56:38am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said KSM and 4 other Gitmo Dbags will face trial in NYC. WTF? It was a breaking AP story.

I wonder if this is related to the sacking of White House counsel Greg Craig? Craig was responsible for the shutdown of detention facilities at Gitmo, a project that's been a dismal failure from the Administration's viewpoint, with more than a year's worth of planning pissed away and no resolution in sight. It seems like bringing KSM to trial in New York is either Craig's Final Eff-up, or the hasty, incompetent decision the Administration came to after finally becoming exasperated with Craig's inaction.

I think the two events are not unrelated.

222 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:58:16am

re: #221 SixDegrees

I wonder if this is related to the sacking of White House counsel Greg Craig? Craig was responsible for the shutdown of detention facilities at Gitmo, a project that's been a dismal failure from the Administration's viewpoint, with more than a year's worth of planning pissed away and no resolution in sight. It seems like bringing KSM to trial in New York is either Craig's Final Eff-up, or the hasty, incompetent decision the Administration came to after finally becoming exasperated with Craig's inaction.

I think the two events are not unrelated.

Guess who's replacing him? Anita Dunn's husband, Robert Bauer, BHO's personal attorney.

223 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:59:19am

re: #222 MandyManners

Guess who's replacing him? Anita Dunn's husband, Robert Bauer, BHO's personal attorney.

SparrowLake had it above. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

224 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:00:09am

re: #223 MandyManners

SparrowLake had it above. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oops! I mispelled Spare O'Lake's nic.

225 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:02:26am

The workbell is ringing. Talk to youse all later!

226 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:02:42am

re: #222 MandyManners

Guess who's replacing him? Anita Dunn's husband, Robert Bauer, BHO's personal attorney.

I don't really know anything about him. I'll note that the Administration is falling into the trap of incest - filling itself with people drawn from a small, closely knit circle of group-think. It's unlikely that Bauer will bring anything new or interesting to what's rapidly becoming an echo chamber.

227 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:03:29am

re: #226 SixDegrees

I don't really know anything about him. I'll note that the Administration is falling into the trap of incest - filling itself with people drawn from a small, closely knit circle of group-think. It's unlikely that Bauer will bring anything new or interesting to what's rapidly becoming an echo chamber.

I did some digging a while back about him and Perkins Coie, his firm.

228 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:03:54am

re: #227 MandyManners

I did some digging a while back about him and Perkins Coie, his firm.

And...?

229 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:05:44am

Hey everyone and happy Friday the 13th.

230 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:07:07am

re: #68 MandyManners

Hasan had a business card with SoA (Soldier of Allah) on it? WTF?

For what it's worth, also from an earlier thread:

Just a muslim version of shomer shabbat.

Nothing there to be alarmed about, and not unusual for a muslim professional.

Also, IIRC, the S in SoA might stand for Servant instead of Soldier.

231 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:12:01am

re: #228 SixDegrees

And...?

Like I said, it's been a while. I'll see what I can find today after I ferry The Kid to school.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:12:22am

Good morning lizards.

I see Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is coming to the Big Apple for trial. Him and four his terrorist friends are going to get the same constitutional rights we get. Isn't that special?

What could possibly go wrong?

233 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:12:42am

re: #230 3kids3dogs

For what it's worth, also from an earlier thread:

Just a muslim version of shomer shabbat.

Nothing there to be alarmed about, and not unusual for a muslim professional.

Also, IIRC, the S in SoA might stand for Servant instead of Soldier.

Playing the moral equivalence card this early in the morning?

234 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:13:19am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards.

I see Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is coming to the Big Apple for trial. Him and four his terrorist friends are going to get the same constitutional rights we get. Isn't that special?

What could possibly go wrong?

Can you imagine the security that will be necessary, and not just in the courthouse?

235 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:13:33am

re: #230 3kids3dogs

For what it's worth, also from an earlier thread:

Just a muslim version of shomer shabbat.

Nothing there to be alarmed about, and not unusual for a muslim professional.

Also, IIRC, the S in SoA might stand for Servant instead of Soldier.

Nice spin.

236 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:14:51am

re: #234 MandyManners

Can you imagine the security that will be necessary, and not just in the courthouse?

It's going to be a circus, a co$tly circus.

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:15:13am

re: #230 3kids3dogs

Maybe it stands for "Son of Asshole"... psychiatrist... really, maybe he has daddy issues?

WTF?

238 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:16:15am

re: #228 SixDegrees

And...?

Quick search:

Perkins Coie also serves as counsel of record for the Democratic Party and its candidates; its political law group is headed by top campaign lawyer Bob Bauer. Perkins Coie represented John Kerry's presidential campaign and recently represented the Presidential campaign of Barack Obama. The firm represented Christine Gregoire in the prolonged litigation surrounding her 2004 Washington State gubernatorial election, and a team of Perkins lawyers headed by Marc Elias is currently representing Al Franken in his legal battle over the 2008 Senatorial election in Minnesota. The firm also represents the Democratic Leadership Council, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

In 2006, Perkins Coie made headlines when, led by partner Harry Schneider, it represented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, the alleged driver and bodyguard of Osama Bin Laden. The case made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the Bush Administration's Military Commissions were held unconstitutional.

239 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:16:51am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

Nice spin.

For both you and MandyManners, I was just pointing out some information that you might have missed in an earlier thread, hence the "For what it's worth" qualification at the beginning of my post. Just pointing out a possible explanation regarding MandyManners' question. Nothing more and nothing less.

240 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:17:48am

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe it stands for "Son of Asshole"... psychiatrist... really, maybe he has daddy issues?

WTF?

Maybe it stands for State of Alaska. He might have be thinking of retiring the couch to become a crab fisherman.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:20:38am

re: #239 3kids3dogs

For both you and MandyManners, I was just pointing out some information that you might have missed in an earlier thread, hence the "For what it's worth" qualification at the beginning of my post. Just pointing out a possible explanation regarding MandyManners' question. Nothing more and nothing less.

We know what it means. The press knows what it means. The FBI knows what it means. Apparently everyone but you knows what it means.

242 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:20:48am

Gotta' git.

243 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:20:56am

re: #240 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe it stands for State of Alaska. He might have be thinking of retiring the couch to become a crab fisherman.

Or "School of the Americas," an institution run by the Army until 2001. How long has he been in the service?

Note that this is a stretch; he doesn't seem like the sort of material the SOA would normally enroll.

244 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:21:23am

Good Morning again all

245 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:22:24am

re: #243 SixDegrees

Or "School of the Americas," an institution run by the Army until 2001. How long has he been in the service?

Or, as I've posted before, Sons of Anarchy. Does Hasan ride a Harley?

246 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:24:47am

re: #241 NJDhockeyfan

We know what it means. The press knows what it means. The FBI knows what it means. Apparently everyone but you knows what it means.

Apparently someone else doesn't know what it means because I wasn't the one that originally posted it. Again, I was just pointing out something that you might have missed. Feel free to continue to be an asshole about it.

247 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:45:10am

Hmm, looks like I arrived just in time to heat up the barbecue.

248 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:45:26am
249 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:47:28am

re: #246 3kids3dogs

Apparently someone else doesn't know what it means because I wasn't the one that originally posted it. Again, I was just pointing out something that you might have missed. Feel free to continue to be an asshole about it.

Here is an article spelling out the abbreviation on the card.

Ft. Hood killer's title was 'Soldier of Allah'

The Army knew him as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, MD. But he gave himself another title -- "Soldier of Allah."

Hasan, the man responsible for the Fort Hood massacre that left 13 dead and 29 wounded, printed up business cards he ordered over the Internet that identified him as "SoA" -- a jihadi acronym for "Soldier of Allah."

... With every day that passes since last week's bloodbath, more revelations come to light indicating that Hasan, 39, likely embraced an extremely violent perversion of Islamic ideology.

Investigators found the box of the sinister-reading business cards in his apartment, according to ABCnews.com. The green and white cards, the colors of Islam, had his name with the title "Behavior Heatlh [sic] Mental Health and Life Skills" along with "SoA (SWT)."

SWT likely stands for Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, or "Glory to God" in Arabic, according to terrorism investigators.

Witnesses reported Hasan began his 100-bullet rampage at the Fort Hood Soldier Readiness Processing Center with the Arabic shout of "Allahu Akbar!" or "God is great!"

But continue to find other meanings for SoA (SWT). I bet you could find a million of them.

/What an asshole I am for posting this.

250 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:57:04am

re: #249 njdhockeyfan

So, he's a fan of Muslim rap music?

251 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 5:59:49am
252 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:00:28am

For our boston members, nice story regarding Manning Vs. Belichick
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

253 seamonkey  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:02:17am

Takin' it to the street

254 seamonkey  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:04:32am
255 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:06:15am

Here some good news.

Alleged Fort Hood shooter is paralyzed, lawyer says

Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the U.S. Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood Army Post in Texas a week ago, is paralyzed, his lawyer said Friday.

"It appears he won't be able to walk in the future," said Hasan's civilian attorney, retired Army Col. John Galligan.

He doesn't need to be standing up when they give him the needle.

256 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:07:38am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

And SWT stands for Suffering With Tourettes syndrome.

Allah shit fuck cocksucker bastard Akbar!

Maybe you ought to wait to find out what it actually means before using it as a log to toss onto the fire of your bigotry.

I can't find any references to the abbreviation being 'a jihadi acronym for "Soldier of Allah,"' for example. Well, except at Crazy Pam's site. Do you think jihadis actually stamp their intentions on their business cards?

257 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:10:38am

re: #249 njdhockeyfan

But continue to find other meanings for SoA (SWT). I bet you could find a million of them.

/What an asshole I am for posting this.

[Video]

In the thread about the American Family Assoc. Guanxi88 responded to an inquiry as follows:


re: #18 carefulnow

How did that SOA/SWT item get resolved? Was it a real business card and did it stand for Soldier of Allah?

re: #20 Guanxi88

Servant of Allah (SWT). Just a muslim version of shomer shabbat.

Nothing there to be alarmed about, and not unusual for a muslim professional.


It's post #21 in the thread (forgive me for not knowing how to directly link to the post). I wouldn't consider him/her to be some sort of rabid leftist or excuse maker for Hasan. YMMV

I thought you might be interested in an alternate explanation of the meaning of SoA. I was obviously mistaken. I enjoy this blog for the different points of view and information that I don't always get elsewhere. Maybe you prefer an echo chamber. Only you can answer that.

I'll also take note that you apparently think that if it appears in the MSM it must be true - in the New York Post no less. They've never made a mistake in their reportinig. Or maybe that's only true when it confirms one of your preconceived notions.

258 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:14:36am

re: #256 SixDegrees

Maybe you ought to wait to find out what it actually means before using it as a log to toss onto the fire of your bigotry.

I can't find any references to the abbreviation being 'a jihadi acronym for "Soldier of Allah,"' for example. Well, except at Crazy Pam's site. Do you think jihadis actually stamp their intentions on their business cards?

Try ABC, NY Post, The Examiner, The Washington Post, etc...lost of bigots in the MSM, eh?

259 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:14:42am

re: #234 MandyManners

Can you imagine the security that will be necessary, and not just in the courthouse?

he needs to be kept in solitary, and not just for his own protection. in a general prison (or jail) population of any type, ksm will be a rock star, especially to the islamic convertees behind bars.

I haven't read any news accounts of this as of yet, so maybe his lawyer has been names. but if no lawyer has yet been named, I wonder if ron kuby will be his lawyer?

260 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:15:44am

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

lost = lots

PIMF

261 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:16:37am

re: #256 SixDegrees

Maybe you ought to wait to find out what it actually means before using it as a log to toss onto the fire of your bigotry.

I can't find any references to the abbreviation being 'a jihadi acronym for "Soldier of Allah,"' for example. Well, except at Crazy Pam's site. Do you think jihadis actually stamp their intentions on their business cards?


//Here's thought. Just have the FBI check with every business that makes business cards and find out who had them print SoA on their cards. We can round them up and lock them away since they're obviously a threat to the country.//

262 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:17:42am

re: #261 3kids3dogs

//Here's thought. Just have the FBI check with every business that makes business cards and find out who had them print SoA on their cards. We can round them up and lock them away since they're obviously a threat to the country.//

PIMF - Here's a thought.

263 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:22:34am

re: #256 SixDegrees

I can't find any references to the abbreviation being 'a jihadi acronym for "Soldier of Allah,"' for example. Well, except at Crazy Pam's site. Do you think jihadis actually stamp their intentions on their business cards?

[Link: lmgtfy.com...]

264 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:24:27am

re: #255 NJDhockeyfan

Here some good news.

Alleged Fort Hood shooter is paralyzed, lawyer says


He doesn't need to be standing up when they give him the needle.

Cry me a fucking river.

265 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:29:48am

re: #259 _RememberTonyC

he needs to be kept in solitary, and not just for his own protection. in a general prison (or jail) population of any type, ksm will be a rock star, especially to the islamic convertees behind bars.

I haven't read any news accounts of this as of yet, so maybe his lawyer has been names. but if no lawyer has yet been named, I wonder if ron kuby will be his lawyer?

Too bad Lynn Stewart's been disbarred.

266 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:31:23am

Northern Va. Mosque of Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Connected to Jihadists and Islamic Terrorist Groups

Dar-al-Hijrah Islamic Center, the mosque in Falls Church, Va., where accused Fort Hood attacker Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped in 2001 when he lived in the Washington, D.C., area, is perhaps best known as the same mosque that three 9/11 hijackers attended prior to flying a plane into the Pentagon.

But according to federal documents, records and terrorism investigators, the mosque also has a history of attendees and members who have had ties to al-Qaeda, Hamas and other radical Islamic groups – including some convicted of terrorism-related crimes.

...-- The telephone number of the mosque was discovered in the German apartment of one of the 9/11 co-conspirators, would-be “twentieth hijacker” Ramzi Binalshibh, both the joint committees and the 9/11 Commission reported.

In describing the connection to congressional staff, an FBI special agent said, “(T)here’s a lot of smoke there.”

-- Former mosque attendee AbdulRahman Alamoudi was convicted in 2004 in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., of violating terrorism-related sections of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act by raising money for al-Qaeda from Northern Virginia, according to Treasury Department documents.

Alamoudi was sentenced to 276 months (23 years) in jail for falsifying documents and concealing his financial dealings with entities in Libya, and for recruiting people for a Libyan plot to assassinate Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah.

-- Another former attendee, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, is serving a 30-year federal sentence for plotting to assassinate President George W. Bush.

Abu Ali was raised in Falls Church, Va., and according to The Washington Post, taught Islamic studies to children at Dar al-Hijrah in the ‘90s, before joining a clandestine terrorist cell with ties to al-Qaeda while studying in Saudi Arabia.

Abu Ali received training from members of the al- Qaeda cell in weapons, explosives and document forgery, and discussed plans to smuggle Saudi al-Qaeda members into the United States through Mexico to carry out terrorist operations within the country, according to testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee in 2006 and federal court documents.

(snip)

267 jdog29  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:31:39am

re: #265 MandyManners

Too bad Lynn Stewart's been disbarred.

They should assign his legal counsel the American Way... use a reality show.//

268 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:32:18am

A senior walked into a crowded waiting room and approached the desk.
The Receptionist said, 'Yes sir, what are you seeing the Doctor for today?'
'There's something wrong with my dick', he replied.
The receptionist became irritated and said, 'You shouldn't come into a crowded waiting room and say things like that. '
'Why not, you asked me what was wrong and I told you,' he said.
The Receptionist replied; 'Now you've caused some embarrassment in this room full of people. You should have said there is something wrong with your ear or something and discussed the problem further with the Doctor in private..'
The man replied, 'You shouldn't ask people questions in a roomful of strangers, if the answer could embarrass anyone. The man walked out, waited several minutes, and then re-entered.
The Receptionist smiled smugly and asked, 'Yes??'
'There's something wrong with my ear,' he stated.
The Receptionist nodded approvingly and smiled, knowing he had submitted to her advice.
'I can't piss out of it,' he added.

269 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:34:36am

re: #267 jdog29

They should assign his legal counsel the American Way... use a reality show.//

I can bet several civil rights' attorneys will fall all over themselves to be retained.

BTW, who's gonna' pay his legal tab?

270 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:36:08am

I'm watching Morning Joe (I'm about an hour behind on my DVR) and I'm more than a llittle tired of hearing Obama apologists explain why the president is such a genius because he can't make a decision on Afghanistan. "He really thinks hard". I might heave.

271 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:38:31am

re: #269 MandyManners

I can bet several civil rights' attorneys will fall all over themselves to be retained.

BTW, who's gonna' pay his legal tab?

I bet the ACLU is drooling all over themselves for a shot at this.

272 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:39:54am

Gatesville Citizens Embrace Reservists Affected by Shooting

GATESVILLE, Texas, Nov. 12, 2009 – The citizens of the “Spur Capital of Texas” here opened their arms and hearts to Army Reserve soldiers affected by the Nov. 5 Fort Hood shooting by hosting them for dinner at a local restaurant Nov. 8.

“It is absolutely wonderful to see all these folks together and to show our appreciation for what they do daily,” said Carla Manning, a military affairs representative for the Gatesville Chamber of Commerce. “They sacrifice daily, and they’ve been through some rough days recently.”

The soldiers are assigned to the 1908th and 467th Medical Detachments, reserve units from Kansas and Wisconsin respectively, but include soldiers from other states as well. Members of the two detachments have been preparing at Fort Hood, Texas, for deployments. Together, the units have fewer than 70 members, and of those five were fatally shot and 25 were injured when a lone gunman opened fire Nov. 5 at the Soldier Readiness Processing Center on Fort Hood. Eight of the wounded soldiers remained hospitalized the night of the dinner.

“Most of the time you see loss on the battlefield,” said Spc. Thomas Vecera, a mental health specialist with the 467th Medical Detachment. “This incident just took everyone by surprise, but we were still able to pull together and be strong. (The dinner is) exactly what the soldiers needed. Getting out like this is great. The community is great.”

273 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:41:10am

re: #263 RogueOne

[Link: lmgtfy.com...]

I already linked to the same results. I'm not finding any compelling references to back up this claim.

274 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:41:39am
275 Spider Mensch  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:42:33am

re: #270 RogueOne

I'm watching Morning Joe (I'm about an hour behind on my DVR) and I'm more than a llittle tired of hearing Obama apologists explain why the president is such a genius because he can't make a decision on Afghanistan. "He really thinks hard". I might heave.

"He's really thinking hard" is code from "Looks who 's talking"...we use it at our house for when little Spider is taking a dump in his diaper, I bet it's the same for obama :)

276 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:43:12am

re: #270 RogueOne

I'm watching Morning Joe (I'm about an hour behind on my DVR) and I'm more than a llittle tired of hearing Obama apologists explain why the president is such a genius because he can't make a decision on Afghanistan. "He really thinks hard". I might heave.

Yea I am a little tired of Obama's Hamlet act as well...

277 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:45:02am

re: #269 MandyManners

I can bet several civil rights' attorneys will fall all over themselves to be retained.

BTW, who's gonna' pay his legal tab?

That will depend on his means. Which he apparently has in decent supply, given his salary (high) and lifestyle (spartan). This will likely exclude him from whatever the military's equivalent of a public defender is, although it's possible, too, that he has no savings or other tangible assets to speak of, in which case his Constitutionally guaranteed and historical right to counsel will be borne by taxpayers.

More likely, however, there will be various special interest groups willing to contribute to a defense fund, or to provide pro bono counsel - which, again, would exclude him from public defense.

278 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:47:15am

re: #220 MandyManners

Oh Boy. The opposite extreme as Soros advocates will be at least as problematic The free market works with the right level of regulation like we saw from 1935-1990. But every recession had to be addressed. Addressed with a loosening of the rules. One reason so many were ruined in the stock crash was they did not belong there to begin with .
Anyone else recall the 3 month savings rules that you had to show compliance with before you could buy stocks?

279 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:48:29am

re: #259 _RememberTonyC

I haven't read any news accounts of this as of yet, so maybe his lawyer has been names. but if no lawyer has yet been named, I wonder if ron kuby will be his lawyer?

Once again FWIW and for informational purposes only, in the thread discussing Charles' interview with the League of Ordinary gentleman, there was a post stating that his family has retained a retired Colonel (also possibly a former judge). Additionally, it was stated that he would be automatically assigned a JAG lawyer (is that redundant?) whether or not he requested one.

280 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:49:43am

And just to balance out the bigotry and rush to judgment with an example from the other side of the aisle, Kilgore may turn out to be very disappointed that crazy mofo redneck right-wingers didn't behave the way he knows they would. Or should. Or whatever.

281 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:52:36am
282 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:53:05am

re: #278 Rightwingconspirator

Oh Boy. The opposite extreme as Soros advocates will be at least as problematic The free market works with the right level of regulation like we saw from 1935-1990. But every recession had to be addressed. Addressed with a loosening of the rules. One reason so many were ruined in the stock crash was they did not belong there to begin with .
Anyone else recall the 3 month savings rules that you had to show compliance with before you could buy stocks?

That's one I've never heard of. The only restriction I'm aware of is buying on margin being limited to 100% of your stock's value.

Details?

283 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:56:35am

re: #250 SixDegrees

So, he's a fan of Muslim rap music?

I think this is the band's website.

284 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:57:33am

re: #281 CommonCents

He should be forced to sell his internal organs one-by-one to pay for his own defense. If the trial drags on too long, justice will be served.

That is a sickening comment on two levels:
1. Vicious, barbaric and cruel.
2. Who would want his stinking Islamofascist guts?

285 bosforus  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:57:44am

I gotta start getting some more sleep. Today was the about the fourth time in a month that I missed my freeway exit. Almost missed my backup exit this morning!

286 CommonCents  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:59:59am

re: #285 bosforus

I gotta start getting some more sleep. Today was the about the fourth time in a month that I missed my freeway exit. Almost missed my backup exit this morning!

You shouldn't be posting on LGF while driving. That's dangerous.
/

287 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:00:19am

re: #281 CommonCents

WTF?

288 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:00:55am

On a lighter side, from FARK:
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

FTA:

It is a subject that would make most parents, teenagers and teachers blush, but officials in Spain are tackling masturbation hands on , launching a major programme to help children in their "discovery of self-pleasure".
289 KenJen  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:01:16am

re: #284 Spare O'Lake

That is a sickening comment on two levels:
1. Vicious, barbaric and cruel.
2. Who would want his stinking Islamofascist guts?

Greasy grimey jihadi guts. Morning Lizards.

290 bosforus  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:01:44am

Gotta run. Meeting. This should go well...
;)

291 CommonCents  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:02:58am

re: #287 MandyManners

WTF?

What? Was that too much?

292 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:04:52am

re: #291 CommonCents

What? Was that too much?

More than a skootch.

293 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:06:05am

re: #280 SixDegrees

And just to balance out the bigotry and rush to judgment with an example from the other side of the aisle, Kilgore may turn out to be very disappointed that crazy mofo redneck right-wingers didn't behave the way he knows they would. Or should. Or whatever.


IMO, it appears less and less likely that he was killed for being a census worker or "Fed". This was the conclusion that many on the left jumped to without confirmation from law enforcement. I'll have to admit that I thought it was likely from the initial reports. It's usually best to wait for all the information to be gathered but human nature usually leads us confirm our own biases without waiting for those pesky facts. For the country's sake, I hope it isn't related to his status as a census worker. For his family's sake, I hope it isn't suicide since that might be very difficult for them to handle. As bizarre as it sounds, it might be best if it turns out to be drug related or some random act of violence.

294 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:08:54am

re: #293 3kids3dogs

I always figured if he was killed, it was probably drug related. Maybe that's what he was hoping people would think.

295 KenJen  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:13:39am

re: #288 RogueOne

On a lighter side, from FARK:
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

FTA:

You're lucky you didn't get a whack from Mandy for that one!

296 CommonCents  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:15:01am
Fifth Third (FITB Quote) rated new Outperform at Credit Suisse with an Outperform rating. $15 price target. Company has the best risk/reward potential in the regional bank sector.

Shouldn't Credit Suisse rate all stocks as neutral? I didn't think they picked sides.

297 frogmarch  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:15:28am

re: #280 SixDegrees

And just to balance out the bigotry and rush to judgment with an example from the other side of the aisle, Kilgore may turn out to be very disappointed that crazy mofo redneck right-wingers didn't behave the way he knows they would. Or should. Or whatever.

Possible self-suicide self-cover-up? If true, that certainly doesn't fit the narrative.

298 CommonCents  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:15:56am

re: #288 RogueOne

It is a subject that would make most parents, teenagers and teachers blush, but officials in Spain are tackling masturbation hands on , launching a major programme to help children in their "discovery of self-pleasure".

I like the wordsmithing.

299 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:18:13am

re: #288 RogueOne

But they're late in coming to that conclusion given that former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders promoted masturbation as well. She was canned by the Clinton Administration not long after suggesting that it should be taught to prevent other riskier forms of sexual behavior.

300 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:18:30am

re: #294 RogueOne

I always figured if he was killed, it was probably drug related. Maybe that's what he was hoping people would think.

It's certainly a plausible theory that he committed suicide but wanted his family to collect on his life insurance policy. If he was familiar with the area and if there are indeed moonshiners and marijuana growers in the area he could have thought everyone would be led away from the truth of the matter. Forensic science is advancing such that it is harder and harder to fool law enforcement in cases like this.

As I said before, I hope it isn't suicide since his family will probably face many recriminations - How could I not see the signs, etc.

301 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:19:35am

re: #298 CommonCents

I like the wordsmithing.

Yeah, struck me funny. No way tht could have been an accident.

re: #295 KenJen

You're lucky you didn't get a whack from Mandy for that one!

Well, yesterday she did ask if everyone could "touch my monkey"

302 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:19:54am

re: #288 RogueOne

It is a subject that would make most parents, teenagers and teachers blush, but officials in Spain are tackling masturbation hands on , launching a major programme to help children in their "discovery of self-pleasure".

Looks they were able to put their finger on the problem.

303 Spider Mensch  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:19:56am

re: #280 SixDegrees

And just to balance out the bigotry and rush to judgment with an example from the other side of the aisle, Kilgore may turn out to be very disappointed that crazy mofo redneck right-wingers didn't behave the way he knows they would. Or should. Or whatever.


so Cheney and Rove and Palin are off the hook?

/

304 KenJen  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:22:20am

re: #299 lawhawk

But they're late in coming to that conclusion given that former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders promoted masturbation as well. She was canned by the Clinton Administration not long after suggesting that it should be taught to prevent other riskier forms of sexual behavior.

Pre or post Monica?

305 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:22:24am

re: #299 lawhawk

But they're late in coming to that conclusion given that former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders promoted masturbation as well. She was canned by the Clinton Administration not long after suggesting that it should be taught to prevent other riskier forms of sexual behavior.

Funny you should mention that, hers was the first pic on the comment thread


[Link: www.fark.com...]

I didn't see anything in the thread that would be NSFW

306 SeaMonkey  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:23:09am

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Looks they were able to put their finger on the problem.

They've got a firm grip on the issue.

307 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:23:14am

Good morning children!
Can you say F*&^%ng SNOW?
I knew you could!
Walter has a shit storm headed his way!

308 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:23:59am

Oh yeah!
Happy Friday the 13th!!

309 3kids3dogs  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:24:02am

re: #303 Spider Mensch

so Cheney and Rove and Palin are off the hook?

/

In truth, we on the left pointed the finger more at Michelle Bachmann due to her rhetoric regarding the census.

310 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:24:36am

re: #299 lawhawk

But they're late in coming to that conclusion given that former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders promoted masturbation as well. She was canned by the Clinton Administration not long after suggesting that it should be taught to prevent other riskier forms of sexual behavior.

I remember that. And a Surgeon General after her said that Americans need to exercise more. The ironic thing is, for many people, masturbation is the only exercise thet get.

311 Spider Mensch  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:25:30am

from the i guess somebody cares dept...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

so these 2 ass clowns posing as parents get away with it? figures. I guess they'll get their TV show by next spring or summer, such fascinating douche bags they are!

312 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:25:31am

re: #310 Mad Al-Jaffee

I remember that. And a Surgeon General after her said that Americans need to exercise more. The ironic thing is, for many people, masturbation is the only exercise thet get.

/How do you know that?, are you stalking me?

313 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:25:52am

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Looks they were able to put their finger on the problem.

Aw, beat it.

314 KenJen  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:26:05am

re: #308 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh yeah!
Happy Friday the 13th!!

Happy Triskaidekephobia day to you too!

315 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:26:30am

re: #265 MandyManners

Too bad Lynn Stewart's been disbarred.

i thought of her too ... :)

316 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:26:38am

re: #311 Spider Mensch

from the i guess somebody cares dept...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

so these 2 ass clowns posing as parents get away with it? figures. I guess they'll get their TV show by next spring or summer, such fascinating douche bags they are!

I've done well not to say anyting about them. the original episode cost me 60 karma points in about 5 mins.

317 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:26:40am

Not hard to sense where this thread is heading...
///:)

318 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:26:48am

A lot of you need a good whack.

319 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:27:04am

re: #314 KenJen

I love when you talk dirty...

320 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:27:29am

re: #318 MandyManners

A lot of you need a good whack.

Yes, I do believe that's exactly the point.

*ducks*

321 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:27:36am

re: #318 MandyManners

Whip it.. whip it good.

322 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:28:20am

re: #315 _RememberTonyC

i thought of her too ... :)

*ahem* In the context of the present discussion, I'm just giggling myself silly.

323 KenJen  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:28:45am

re: #317 Varek Raith

Not hard to sense where this thread is heading...
///:)

Me too. It's time for me to get off for awhile.

324 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:28:51am

re: #320 thedopefishlives

Yes, I do believe that's exactly the point.

*dfucks*

325 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:29:14am

re: #322 MandyManners

*ahem* In the context of the present discussion, I'm just giggling myself silly.

eww, thanks for that horrible pic in my head

326 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:29:17am

re: #318 MandyManners

A lot of you need a good whack.

Yeah, there are some monkeys here who need to be spanked.

327 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:30:05am

re: #324 MandyManners

Oh trust me, at this point, I'm definitely wishing for that, as the Mrs. Fish is texting me naughty messages at work. I'm never going to get anything done at this rate.

328 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:30:16am

re: #318 MandyManners

A lot of you need a good whack.


If it makes you feel better...OK!
Dopefish is right there...;-)

329 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:30:27am

re: #321 lawhawk

Whip it.. whip it good.



All I get is a white screen. I need me some Devo.

330 freetoken  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:30:55am

I can see the headlines now...

God Protects Oklahoma from Global Warming

Oklahoma recorded its coldest October on record [...]

331 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:30:59am

re: #325 RogueOne

eww, thanks for that horrible pic in my head

Better than salt peter, eh?

332 Spider Mensch  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:31:59am

re: #316 RogueOne

I've done well not to say anyting about them. the original episode cost me 60 karma points in about 5 mins.

I remember that, you did get a lot of shit on that..because "You jumped to a conclusion!!!" which around here is verbotten as we all know...next time anyone accuses you of " Jumping to a conclusion!!" tell them "No, I'm not! I'm having a premonition!!"

333 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:32:35am

re: #330 freetoken

I can see the headlines now...

God Protects Oklahoma from Global Warming

But punished Florida for something or other.
/

335 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:33:37am

re: #332 Spider Mensch

I remember that, you did get a lot of shit on that..because "You jumped to a conclusion!!!" which around here is verbotten as we all know...next time anyone accuses you of " Jumping to a conclusion!!" tell them "No, I'm not! I'm having a premonition!!"

I was new, people didn't know I have a twisted sense of humor. Man, were they PISSED at me. I still get a chuckle out of it. My best unintentional troll ever.

336 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:34:45am

re: #334 NJDhockeyfan

Your green news of the day.

Men should urinate outside on their compost heaps to help fertilise their gardens and save on flushing the lavatory, the National Trust has urged.

Oh, great. As if The Kid needs another reason to pee off the deck.

337 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:34:49am

So the 9/11 conspirators are headed to N.Y today...
The reporter said that the first thing to be done is ask how they were treated,questioned and if it will have an effect on the testimony they give!
WTF!!! Can someone remind me who is on trial??

338 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:35:16am
339 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:36:28am

re: #337 reloadingisnotahobby

So the 9/11 conspirators are headed to N.Y today...
The reporter said that the first thing to be done is ask how they were treated,questioned and if it will have an effect on the testimony they give!
WTF!!! Can someone remind me who is on trial??

They might also ask if they were read their Miranda rights when they were caught. This could get ugly.

340 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:36:42am

re: #329 MandyManners

341 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:37:23am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

They might also ask if they were read their Miranda rights when they were caught. This could get ugly.


It's past ugly already...I may put the TV in storage for a while!

342 Spider Mensch  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:37:27am

re: #335 RogueOne

I was new, people didn't know I have a twisted sense of humor. Man, were they PISSED at me. I still get a chuckle out of it. My best unintentional troll ever.


when I got home that night and saw the parents were the 2 idiots from the wife swap tv show, I thought of the tread from here and how everyone was on you because, you, well... "had a premonition" about the type the parents might be...lol

343 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:37:47am

re: #334 NJDhockeyfan

Your green news of the day.

Men should urinate outside on their compost heaps to help fertilise their gardens and save on flushing the lavatory, the National Trust has urged.

"Male urine is better than female urine because it is slightly less acidic."

I learned something new today.
*rolls eyes*

344 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:38:33am

re: #337 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

They might also ask if they were read their Miranda rights when they were caught. This could get ugly.

Asked if their prayer rugs were comfortable enough, if their compasses were properly calibrated to ensure they knew where Mecca is, and how their Korans were handled by those infidel guards

/ (a tad)

345 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:38:56am

The stimulus is working!

McDonald's advertises for staff to work at Guantánamo Bay

The burger chain is looking to hire an assistant manager for its outlet at the military base on Cuba where the US holds foreign terrorist suspects.

The sole McDonald's branch on the communist island has featured in news reports about the controversial prison, with interrogators allegedly buying Big Macs and fries in an attempt to make captives more amenable.

The restaurant is located within the perimeter of the naval base on the southern coast of Cuba and caters for the 6,000 people – sailors, guards and their families – who call it home.

Despite the sensitive work carried out at the camp the advert does not demand that applicants have security clearance. In fact it does not mention Guantánamo Bay by name at all.

"We are searching for an Assistant Manager for our McDonald's restaurant located on the United Stated Naval base in Cuba," reads the posting on one of the chain's job websites.

"Candidates must have restaurant Management experience, possess a valid United States passport, and be willing to relocate to Cuba."

Successful applicants will work five days a week on rotating shifts.

346 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:40:38am

re: #345 NJDhockeyfan

Can you smoke cigars in Mc D's in Cuba?
I mean,it would be an upside...

347 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:41:41am

re: #346 reloadingisnotahobby

Can you smoke cigars in Mc D's in Cuba?
I mean,it would be an upside...

You'd be better off eating the cigars than ther Cuban "beef" in a Big Mac there !

348 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:41:50am

“I would’ve punched his head in if I had the opportunity.”

[Link: network.nationalpost.com...]

tough old guys

349 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:41:50am

re: #337 reloadingisnotahobby

I warned ya... it was a hope that it wouldn't turn into a circus, but this pretty much guarantees it.

And it has nothing to do with imposing justice either; the detainees could just as easily have been tried in military tribunals but for the Obama Administration deciding to arbitrarily put some into federal court while others get tribunals.

I have a feeling that the defense team, when not claiming their clients were tortured, will try to work on the procedural mess that put their clients into federal court to face justice for the mass murder in their ongoing jihad against the US. The military tribunals should have been more than sufficient for that.

And closing Gitmo doesn't end the issue of the detainee question; the detainees will still be held someplace; it just spread the detainees around the States. It's a symbolic gesture to the far left; and jihadis aren't going to care one way or the other since their jihad will continue no matter where their fellow terrorists are held.

350 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:43:01am

re: #345 NJDhockeyfan

The stimulus is working!

McDonald's advertises for staff to work at Guantánamo Bay

With every purchase, one receives a Khalid Sheikh Mohammed bobble-head doll.

351 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:43:24am

re: #347 sattv4u2

You'd be better off eating the cigars than ther Cuban "beef" in a Big Mac there !

I'd suspect they import all the beef, fries, etc, from the US mainland.

352 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:43:57am

re: #334 NJDhockeyfan

Your green news of the day.

Men should urinate outside on their compost heaps to help fertilise their gardens and save on flushing the lavatory, the National Trust has urged.

I think I'll just leave that one out of the Gardening Tips section of the cookbook blog.

353 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:44:30am

I thought KSM confessed. Why in the world would we give him a civilian trial?

354 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:44:48am

re: #350 solomonpanting

With every purchase, one receives a Khalid Sheikh Mohammed bobble-head doll.

Next week the Ben Ten Waterboard...
/

355 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:45:15am

re: #353 Sharmuta

I thought KSM confessed. Why in the world would we give him a civilian trial?

In case he confessed in error?

356 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:45:24am

re: #352 reine.de.tout

I think I'll just leave that one out of the Gardening Tips section of the cookbook blog.

Now you know why it's a good practice to wash off your produce...a lot.

357 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:45:35am

re: #342 Spider Mensch

when I got home that night and saw the parents were the 2 idiots from the wife swap tv show, I thought of the tread from here and how everyone was on you because, you, well... "had a premonition" about the type the parents might be...lol

When I was watching their interview on CNN and the little kid blurted out "we did it for the show" I laughed so hard I pee'd a little. I even got a time out here for that. I neglected to take into consideration that what's on CNN on the east coast isn't necessarily what's on in the west coast and people thought I was making it up.

358 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:46:01am

re: #337 reloadingisnotahobby

So the 9/11 conspirators are headed to N.Y today...
The reporter said that the first thing to be done is ask how they were treated,questioned and if it will have an effect on the testimony they give!
WTF!!! Can someone remind me who is on trial??

A part of me almost wishes they're found not guilty on a technicality.

359 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:47:19am

re: #358 solomonpanting

A part of me almost wishes they're found not guilty on a technicality.

Then released in Montana during Deer season?
I'm following your line of thought ...

360 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:47:38am

re: #358 solomonpanting

A part of me almost wishes they're found not guilty on a technicality.

That'd be reallly bad but I think I understand your point. As long as their released in downtown NYC right after the trial I might agree.

361 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:48:04am

re: #359 reloadingisnotahobby

Not advocating violence or anything...Just saying!;-)

362 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:48:07am

re: #354 Oh no...Sand People!

Next week the Ben Ten Waterboard...
/

I had to look up what is Ben Ten.

363 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:48:31am

re: #356 Oh no...Sand People!

Last night I was doing some research, and discovered you are a Smurf?

364 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:48:47am

re: #361 reloadingisnotahobby

Not advocating violence or anything...

I am

365 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:49:30am

Somehow I don't think Darth Vader will appreciate what stormtroopers do on their day off.

366 CommonCents  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:50:24am

re: #350 solomonpanting

With every purchase, one receives a Khalid Sheikh Mohammed bobble-head doll.

Removable head?

367 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:51:18am

re: #363 Sharmuta

Last night I was doing some research, and discovered you are a Smurf?

Sometimes when I read a past comment...I am like...was that me?

368 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:53:10am

re: #367 Oh no...Sand People!

But who sent you. I have questions that need answers. /cartman

369 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:55:10am

re: #367 Oh no...Sand People!

If you ever feel like you want to return to your roots, we'll keep a mushroom warm and cozy for you.

370 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:56:00am

Suggestion for Obama: Can't figure out how to "win" the war in Afghanistan? Give the ball to your critics. Appoint John McCain as Counterinsurgency Czar and let him fail. Failure should be a team effort in such an important cause.

371 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:57:24am

re: #353 Sharmuta

I thought KSM confessed. Why in the world would we give him a civilian trial?

Because BHO and Holder are fucking idiots.

372 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:57:44am

re: #369 Sharmuta

If you ever feel like you want to return to your roots, we'll keep a mushroom warm and cozy for you.

in bed

373 Baier  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:58:57am

re: #367 Oh no...Sand People!

Sometimes when I read a past comment...I am like...was that me?

yeah, I know what you mean. I've changed over the last 5 years I've been commenting. I would probably have a good long argument between my now-self and my noob-self.

374 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:59:05am

re: #353 Sharmuta

I thought KSM confessed. Why in the world would we give him a civilian trial?

Because it helps to attain one of the left's goals: close Gitmo.

375 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:59:32am

pirates nabbed...now what?...beuller?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

376 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 7:59:42am

re: #365 lawhawk

Somehow I don't think Darth Vader will appreciate what stormtroopers do on their day off.

The hot-dog bun is kinda' disturbing.

377 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:01:17am

re: #375 albusteve

It's the French ...Hum? ...Ah ...very good question!

378 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:02:05am

re: #376 MandyManners

The hot-dog bun is kinda' disturbing.

But I love the one with Wall-E.

Morning, y'all.

379 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:02:14am

re: #374 solomonpanting

Because it helps to attain one of the left's goals: close Gitmo.

civilian trials are more proof we don't take terrorism seriously imo

380 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:02:23am

re: #376 MandyManners

The hot-dog bun is kinda' disturbing.

The slathered in ketchup thing...

381 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:02:51am

re: #371 MandyManners

Because BHO and Holder are fucking idiots.

From yahoo:

In the military system, the five Sept. 11 suspects had faced the death penalty, but the official would not say if the Justice Department would also seek capital punishment against the men once they are in the federal system.

I don't think any American should have to suffer KSM in federal prisons for life. I favor a sex change, and releasing him in downtown Riyadh without an abayya.

382 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:02:54am

re: #378 vxbush

But I love the one with Wall-E.

Morning, y'all.

How about the clothes pin? Or, the fishing one?

383 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:03:20am

re: #365 lawhawk

Somehow I don't think Darth Vader will appreciate what stormtroopers do on their day off.

I find your lack of faith ... disturbing.

384 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:03:42am

re: #382 MandyManners

How about the clothes pin? Or, the fishing one?

The clothes pin was slightly odd. The fishing one was funny, as was the one with the toilet paper.

385 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:04:23am

re: #381 Sharmuta

I don't think any American should have to suffer KSM in federal prisons for life. I favor a sex change, and releasing him in downtown Riyadh without an abayya.

A favor a speedy trial and a hot shot.

I ain't paying to have his wahoo turned into a whatsit.

386 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:04:45am

re: #384 vxbush

I thought they were all funny. I forwarded it the link to my stepbrother. His nine year old son is a bug Star Wars fan.

387 Baier  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:04:53am

re: #370 Cato the Elder

Suggestion for Obama: Can't figure out how to "win" the war in Afghanistan? Give the ball to your critics. Appoint John McCain as Counterinsurgency Czar and let him fail. Failure should be a team effort in such an important cause.

Honestly, at this point I think we should withdraw. I think it is clear that the current administration doesn't have the will to win this. I'd rather see our troops at home than continuing to be under supported in a war zone, no matter how righteous the cause.

388 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:05:08am

re: #384 vxbush

The clothes pin was slightly odd. The fishing one was funny, as was the one with the toilet paper.

Or, the beach scene.

389 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:05:10am

re: #386 Mad Al-Jaffee

"big," not "bug." PIMF

390 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:05:24am

re: #386 Mad Al-Jaffee

I thought they were all funny. I forwarded it the link to my stepbrother. His nine year old son is a bug Star Wars fan.

I did the same with my family, as they will find it funny.

391 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:06:08am

re: #380 MandyManners

The slathered in ketchup thing...


did you check out the whole fllickr set? 224 pics,
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

392 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:06:21am

re: #385 MandyManners

A speed trial in military court.

393 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:06:41am

re: #371 MandyManners

Can one imagine what would happen if the 5 are found not guilty, then let loose...then, they proceed to sue the Federal government for wrongful detention (as is done in Canada), then win civil suits in the millions, etc? I'm sure Obama would then turn about and blame Bush.

394 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:06:51am

re: #392 Sharmuta

A speed trial in military court.

Y

395 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:07:24am

re: #390 vxbush

I did the same with my family, as they will find it funny.

They both loved the LEGO Death Star Canteen video. I would post the YooToob link if I wasn't at work.

396 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:07:34am

re: #370 Cato the Elder

Suggestion for Obama: Can't figure out how to "win" the war in Afghanistan? Give the ball to your critics. Appoint John McCain as Counterinsurgency Czar and let him fail. Failure should be a team effort in such an important cause.

if you are trying to say BO lied about his intention to not abandon this right and just war, win it for the Afghan people, just say so

397 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:07:49am

re: #381 Sharmuta

I don't think any American should have to suffer KSM in federal prisons for life. I favor a sex change, and releasing him in downtown Riyadh without an abayya.

Or an alibi.

398 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:08:11am

re: #391 RogueOne

did you check out the whole fllickr set? 224 pics,
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

I guess I'm not getting much work done today.

399 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:08:28am

the irony is that they'll be given all the rights of an American citizen -- pftt.

400 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:08:39am

re: #383 thedopefishlives

You underestimate the power of the Dark Side. Okay, at least the power of the Far Side. /

401 bosforus  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:08:53am

Looks like I've gotta hunker down today and get some work done today. Don't slap me on the wrist, however, if I make an appearance or two here.

402 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:08:58am

re: #377 reloadingisnotahobby

It's the French ...Hum? ...Ah ...very good question!

just driving around the ocean looking at the water...wow!, pirates!

403 John Neverbend  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:09:28am

I found this remarkable video at Pharyngula. It's quite long but well worth listening to, once you get used to Krauss' annoying style of delivery. Some of the points that he makes about the universe and its future were new to me.

404 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:09:29am

re: #395 Mad Al-Jaffee

You mean this one?

405 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:09:44am

re: #397 solomonpanting

Or an alibi.

or with a king james bible in one pocket and a bottle of booze in the other.

406 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:09:47am

re: #399 J.S.

the irony is that they'll be given all the rights of an American citizen -- pftt.

HMMM,,,could be benificial

How bout after conviction they be placed in General Population in local jail?

407 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:09:59am

re: #404 lawhawk

Ooops, wrong one (that's cake or death). Maybe this one.

408 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:10:20am

re: #404 lawhawk

You mean this one?

I can't watch the video, but I'm sure that's the one.

409 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:10:20am

re: #399 J.S.

the irony is that they'll be given all the rights of an American citizen -- pftt.

OPEN BORDERS!

410 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:10:41am

re: #399 J.S.

the irony is that they'll be given all the rights of an American citizen -- pftt.

"The great victory is that they will be afforded all the rights of an American citizen."

ACLU

411 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:10:58am

I wonder what the troopers were shooting up poor Piglet with. Maybe meth. He sure looks happy.

412 SpaceJesus  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:11:03am

Catholic Church more concerned about hating gays than helping the needy

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

413 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:12:18am

re: #410 solomonpanting

Absolute slap in the face for all Americans.

414 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:13:30am

re: #399 J.S.

the irony is that they'll be given all the rights of an American citizen -- pftt.

I hope to God this leak is false.

415 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:13:46am

re: #410 solomonpanting

"The great victory is that they will be afforded all the rights of an American citizen."

ACLU

And if you think I'm kidding, wait until later in the day for the news article.

416 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:13:47am

re: #410 solomonpanting

"The great victory is that they will be afforded all the rights of an American citizen."

ACLU

All the benefits of being an American, without the need to do anything haraam like pay taxes or refrain from blowing people up. /

417 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:14:43am

re: #414 Sharmuta

I hope to God this leak is false.

When is Holder's presser today?

Oh, goodness. My head hurts.

418 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:15:26am

re: #396 albusteve

if you are trying to say BO lied about his intention to not abandon this right and just war, win it for the Afghan people, just say so

I'm not trying to say that. I am saying that figuring out how to do so is not so easy. You don't seem to get that, but then you don't sit in the Oval Office and make the decisions. If you have a sure-fire way to win, and you're too shy to suggest it to Obama, send it to me and I'll forward it as a tip from an anonymous well-wisher.

Otherwise, carry on carping.

419 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:15:46am

re: #412 SpaceJesus

Catholic Church more concerned about hating gays than helping the needy

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

So, they should give up one of the basic tenents of their religion, plus ignore the violation of their right of assembly because the state tells them to?

420 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:16:06am

Is it an insult to them to be given infidel rights and spend the rest of their natural rights living as an American prisoner in infidel jails?

421 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:16:37am

re: #387 Baier

Honestly, at this point I think we should withdraw. I think it is clear that the current administration doesn't have the will to win this. I'd rather see our troops at home than continuing to be under supported in a war zone, no matter how righteous the cause.

If it were a matter of "will", Dubya Dumbass would have done it several years ago.

Where there's a will there is not always a way.

422 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:17:17am

re: #413 J.S.

Absolute slap in the face for all Americans.

another example of twisting reality to fit their paradigm...the disconnect is astonishing...2+2=5...how can this even be legal?...I guess I'm a bigot again

423 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:17:43am

re: #407 lawhawk

Ooops, wrong one (that's cake or death). Maybe this one.

Oh, man.

424 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:18:16am

re: #414 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, those going to NY civil trials -- I'm sure that means they're "Americans" in terms of what rights they'll be granted. (the military trials may be somewhat different.) (btw, already the press is expressing its concerns about the "mental health" of the defendants, after, of course, their "torture" at Gitmo.) (another reporter is asking, what happens if they're not convicted -- good question. The Attorney General replies -- to the effect that he's confident of the results of the trial, ie, they'll be convicted...well, you mean, it'll be a Kangaroo Court? the Outcomme already determined by the Attorney General? Good Grief...what a stupid person, sorry...but really).

425 Baier  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:19:40am

re: #421 Cato the Elder

If it were a matter of "will", Dubya Dumbass would have done it several years ago.

Where there's a will there is not always a way.

I'm letting Bush off the hook either, but Obama is the man now. I just don't see the point in the sacrifice if no one intends to win the damn thing.

426 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:19:45am

re: #412 SpaceJesus

Catholic Church more concerned about hating gays than helping the needy

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings.

I see. So a private Church SHOULD be told what by the gov't how the PRIVATE CHURCH should spend their resources!

I was SURE theres something abot that in the CONSTITUTION!!

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Together with the Free Exercise Clause, ("... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"),

427 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:20:02am

Now he's saying he doesn't look to "outcomes." Yeah, uh-huh -- 5 seconds earlier he was yakking about ensuring the outcomes...

428 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:20:08am

They'll become prison clerics, converting other prisoners to the weighs of jihad.

429 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:22:44am

re: #418 Cato the Elder

I'm not trying to say that. I am saying that figuring out how to do so is not so easy. You don't seem to get that, but then you don't sit in the Oval Office and make the decisions. If you have a sure-fire way to win, and you're too shy to suggest it to Obama, send it to me and I'll forward it as a tip from an anonymous well-wisher.

Otherwise, carry on carping.

I'm not carping you perch...I'm simply demanding a decision, it's been too long already..and when this transparent plan is finally revealed, even you will wonder what took so long...if he plans to increase troops he should have been inserting them in the pipeline months ago...if not then simply back out and call it quits...what's so difficult about that?

430 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:23:27am

re: #426 sattv4u2

Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings.

I see. So a private Church SHOULD be told what by the gov't how the PRIVATE CHURCH should spend their resources!

I was SURE theres something abot that in the CONSTITUTION!!

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Together with the Free Exercise Clause, ("... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"),

How soon before some governmental entity will try to force a church to perform a marriage between homosexuals?

431 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:24:18am

re: #425 Baier

I'm letting Bush off the hook either, but Obama is the man now. I just don't see the point in the sacrifice if no one intends to win the damn thing.

Well if you can tell me how "intending" to win translates into winning in real terms, I'd be interested to know. What are your suggested strategy, tactics, timetable, estimated cost in lives and treasure, and how do you define "winning" in a place like Afghanistan?

432 RogueOne  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:25:10am

re: #421 Cato the Elder

If it were a matter of "will", Dubya Dumbass would have done it several years ago.

Where there's a will there is not always a way.

Obama was presented a plan after the election, he chose to go in another direction and implemented HIS plan in March. He then changed his mind, brought in the best minds the military has to offer and gave them a mission, with objectives and guidance. They presented him with 4 plans and he decides he knows better than they do so he declines to use their plans and just think about it for awhile longer.

That is not leadership, that's not even smart. He doesn't know what he's going to do because he doesn't know what he's doing.

433 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:25:46am

They're to be housed in prisons near to where the trials take place. Hey, that's great...sure the residents of New York will appreciate that.

434 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:26:01am

Insurance Probed In Census Taker Bill Sparkman's Death

census taker found hanging from a tree had named his son as his life insurance beneficiary, and investigators are looking into whether the father manipulated the death scene to make a claim possible, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press Thursday.

In an interview with AP, Josh Sparkman said he found paperwork for the private life insurance policy among his father's personal files but wasn't sure of the amount or when it was taken out. He said authorities have told him nothing about the case or produced a death certificate, which is usually needed to make an insurance claim.

Interesting.

435 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:27:09am

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession will obviously be thrown out -- since it was obtained under "duress".

436 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:28:57am

re: #89 ausador

Gotta say, this is the best statement in the whole article - was worth reading just for this:

. . . it's dangerous to always think with exclamation points instead of question marks. Your stance on any particular issue is far less important than whether your worldview is a product of inquiry or incuriosity, whether you feel more comfortable questioning the crowd or blindly marching with it. No ideology has a monopoly on reality . . .

437 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:29:14am

Classified information will not be admissible...well, there goes any conviction. I certainly don't envy the prosecutors.

438 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:29:30am

re: #435 J.S.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession will obviously be thrown out -- since it was obtained under "duress".

I don't get how this is going to work either. He almost certainly wasn't given his miranda rights, was questioned without a lawyers, etc. Hell, he was arrested in Pakistan where us courts don't have jurisdiction. I assume the lawyers have some sort of plan, I don't know how this stuff works.

439 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:29:58am

Too bad, Hasan will have to be rolled to his firing squad in a wheelchair then tied to the post.

440 Baier  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:30:30am

re: #431 Cato the Elder

Well if you can tell me how "intending" to win translates into winning in real terms, I'd be interested to know. What are your suggested strategy, tactics, timetable, estimated cost in lives and treasure, and how do you define "winning" in a place like Afghanistan?

It would be ridiculous for me to present a strategy. I have no military experience. Thankfully, we have a professional military.
I can tell you that we should not pay a cost for the current outcome, and if whoever in power doesn't do something to try and change that, the war is not worth it.
My idea of winning, for whatever it is worth, would be having Afghanistan set up as a democracy with Kabul being able to exert enough power to control the entire nation.

441 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:31:09am

J. Toobin is now on CNN..."bold and risky move" "far from a simple thing" (that's an understatement) -- won't be televised since its criminal Federal court.

442 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:31:11am

re: #431 Cato the Elder

Well if you can tell me how "intending" to win translates into winning in real terms, I'd be interested to know. What are your suggested strategy, tactics, timetable, estimated cost in lives and treasure, and how do you define "winning" in a place like Afghanistan?

BO was a fool to campaign on this issue...that was his first mistake...not delivering on his plan last march, was his second mistake...turning down assorted plans by his staff, was his third mistake...he is juggling a life and death situation to improve himself politically, which is his forth mistake...he has already blundered around, looking like a fool for a year, while his apologists describe him a studious and wisely cautious...I don't see it that way at all

443 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:31:27am

re: #439 filetandrelease

Too bad, Hasan will have to be rolled to his firing squad in a wheelchair then tied to the post.

Hmmm:

"It appears he won't be able to walk in the future," said Hasan's civilian attorney, retired Army Col. John Galligan

Where he's going, I don't think that should be his biggest concern.

444 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:31:31am

North Korea makes new threat as Obama arrives in Asia


SEOUL (Reuters) – North Korea's military warned the South that it was ready for battle over a disputed sea border, issuing a new threat on Friday that raised tension as U.S. President Barack Obama started a major tour of Asia.
445 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:31:37am

re: #439 filetandrelease

Too bad, Hasan will have to be rolled to his firing squad in a wheelchair then tied to the post.

Dead Man Rolling

446 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:32:32am

re: #433 J.S.

They'll be held in the MCC of NY. Which, by the by, is located, less than a mile from Ground Zero.

447 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:33:26am

I can't believe this is happening.

448 mojo jojo  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:34:45am

The Obama administration has put millions of lives at risk in the NYC area by doing this. This is a prime example of why US forces should not take prisoners.

449 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:34:47am

re: #421 Cato the Elder

If it were a matter of "will", Dubya Dumbass would have done it several years ago.

Where there's a will there is not always a way.

Here's the differnce, imho. In both Iraq and Afghan, Bush went with what his military advisors were telling him. After the initial day in Iraq, Rumsfelds stratergy was followed. When the insurgency kicked back up Bush listened and followed Petreaus' recommendations

To this date Obama has had numerous meetings with many peole re; Afghan but as of yet he hasn't liked any of the options. I'm assuming it's more political than anything else. A big increase in troop level will piss of the mid to far left (his base). He knows leaving will make America look as though they lost (Good Morning, Vietnam!) He knows leaving the status quo is suicidal for the soldiers that are there

450 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:34:51am

re: #446 lawhawk

They'll be held in the MCC of NY. Which, by the by, is located, less than a mile from Ground Zero.

This must be going over real well with 9/11 victims & their families.

451 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:35:09am

re: #438 Killgore Trout

No courtroom in the United States would ever, ever allow statements made by Mr. Mo under torture to be admissible. That will all be thrown out. So what is the case? (good grief.) So, he's acquitted? ? He leaves free and clear? Good g-d. It's astounding, absolutely astounding...(unless, of course, you get a Kangaroo Court.)

452 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:35:11am

re: #446 lawhawk

They'll be held in the MCC of NY. Which, by the by, is located, less than a mile from Ground Zero.

But they can't get a fair trial there. I suggest a change of venue, say Berekley, Austin, or Seattle.

453 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:36:11am

Why the hell would we give them this platform for them to rail against our system while protecting their ability to do so?!

454 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:36:11am

Why not just free them all now and save us a ton of money?

455 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:36:25am

re: #343 Spare O'Lake

"Male urine is better than female urine because it is slightly less acidic."

I learned something new today.
*rolls eyes*

There's a scat porn joke in there somewhere. But I'll let someone else dig it out.

456 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:36:36am

re: #447 Sharmuta

I can't believe this is happening.

it's surreal... the is no reason at all to do this thing...BO is taking a simple situation and blowing it all out proportion and twisting it into something it isn't...what the hell for?...he must have some sympathy for the terrorists

457 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:36:50am

re: #454 MandyManners

exactly. and give them some medals to boot.

458 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:37:03am

re: #429 albusteve

I'm not carping you perch...I'm simply demanding a decision, it's been too long already..and when this transparent plan is finally revealed, even you will wonder what took so long...if he plans to increase troops he should have been inserting them in the pipeline months ago...if not then simply back out and call it quits...what's so difficult about that?

I agree completely, Obama has boxed himself into a corner, in order to justify taking so long to make a decision, he needs to come up a great new plan. Too either surge more troops, or withdrawal, that decision should have been made months ago. There is no way to justify leaving our troops over burdened if you finally decide on one of those two options.

A classic example of why Senators don't make good Presidents.

459 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:37:05am

re: #454 MandyManners

Why not just free them all now and save us a ton of money?

Let them swim to Florida if they want American justice.

460 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:38:44am

Imagine, they're acquitted...due to "lack of evidence"...then they sue the Federal government...(America would then become the laughing stock of the world -- if it's not already).

461 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:39:49am

re: #457 J.S.

exactly. and give them some medals to boot.

And, the fucking keys to New York City and D.C.. Hell, let's put them on our currency! Mount Rushmore!

462 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:40:01am

re: #458 filetandrelease

I agree completely, Obama has boxed himself into a corner, in order to justify taking so long to make a decision, he needs to come up a great new plan. Too either surge more troops, or withdrawal, that decision should have been made months ago. There is no way to justify leaving our troops over burdened if you finally decide on one of those two options.

A classic example of why Senators don't make good Presidents.

I've always dreamed of a rugged, scrapping, fiscal conservative to rise up out of the House to win the presidency

463 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:40:13am

re: #459 Sharmuta

Let them swim to Florida if they want American justice.

I wouldn't do that to the sharks.

464 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:40:20am

I was wrong...
Busted! GOP Drops Abortion Coverage For RNC Employees

I was guessing they'd just ignore the story and keep their abortion coverage.

465 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:40:45am

U.S. to seek death penalty against 9/11 suspects

Well, that insures a long, healthy life.

466 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:40:53am

Every breath that the "self-proclaimed mastermind of 9-11" takes is one breath too many.
Pres. Obama seems to feel it is more important to put on a big political show trial in federal court in NYC, than to dispense speedy justice to this varmint in a military trial.

467 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:40:56am

re: #461 MandyManners

in some ways, this is even beyond the certifiably "insane."

468 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:41:34am

re: #467 J.S.

in some ways, this is even beyond the certifiably "insane."

It's a fucking travesty of justice.

469 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:43:19am

Idiotarian moment of the year.

470 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:43:45am

re: #468 MandyManners

Soon, American soldiers on the battlefield will have to be accompanied by a bevy of civil rights attorneys...so they can read the enemy his "rights".

471 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:44:10am

re: #469 Sharmuta

Idiotarian moment of the year century.

472 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:44:23am

I'm nominating Holder for the Fiskie right now.

473 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:44:44am

re: #470 J.S.

Soon, American soldiers on the battlefield will have to be accompanied by a bevy of civil rights attorneys...so they can read the enemy his "rights".

If they even take prisoners anymore, that is.

474 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:45:02am

re: #337 reloadingisnotahobby

So the 9/11 conspirators are headed to N.Y today...
The reporter said that the first thing to be done is ask how they were treated,questioned and if it will have an effect on the testimony they give!
WTF!!! Can someone remind me who is on trial??

If this actually happens, they go to trial as criminals, the tiny bit of respect and "hope" I had been holding out for Obama will be gone regardless of out come. These animals in no way deserve their day in an American court. A military tribunal would be kind.

475 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:46:00am

re: #469 Sharmuta

Idiotarian moment of the year.

I suggest we send this to Charles when the time comes.

476 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:46:30am

re: #475 vxbush

I suggest we send this to Charles when the time comes.

But, for which one? BHO or Holder?

477 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:46:37am

re: #473 MandyManners

If they even take prisoners anymore, that is.

killing jihadis will become murder the moment their AK is out of rounds

478 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:46:43am

re: #466 Spare O'Lake


Pres. Obama seems to feel it is more important to put on a big political show trial in federal court in NYC, than to dispense speedy justice to this varmint in a military trial.


Beware the ODS. Bush discovered that military tribunals weren't going to work. Both McCain and Obama knew that Gitmo was going to have to close. There really wasn't any other option aside from US courts.

479 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #475 vxbush

Love the chocolate turkey.

480 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:47:06am

re: #476 MandyManners

But, for which one? BHO or Holder?

Good question. Wouldn't it actually be the current White House Counsel, since he's the one who said we should empty Gitmo? That precipitated all of this.

481 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:47:28am

re: #479 MandyManners

Love the chocolate turkey.

Thank you! It seemed appropriate for the season.

482 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:47:52am

re: #463 MandyManners

I wouldn't do that to the sharks.

Oh I don't know, give them a few "nicks" and let 'em swim, not a terrible idea.

483 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:47:56am

re: #473 MandyManners

If they even take prisoners anymore, that is.

Heh...gives new meaning to the order to take no prisoners.

484 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:48:03am

re: #474 filetandrelease

They go to trial with a presumption of innocence. That's how it works in U.S. courtrooms. (btw, a prosecutor of the 1993 first World Trade Center bombing, as ominously maintained that this will be a very, very bleak day for actual accused persons in the U.S. -- that this distorts then U.S. criminal justice system in horrid ways...ie, meaning you're oking Kangaroo Courts with the outcomes predetermined...which, clearly, no true civil rights person EVER wants to see happen.)

485 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:48:05am

re: #477 albusteve

killing jihadis will become murder the moment their AK is out of rounds

I wonder if some jihadi who has valuable information about a future terrorist attack will wind up dead, along with scores of Americans.

486 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:48:13am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

Beware the ODS. Bush discovered that military tribunals weren't going to work. Both McCain and Obama knew that Gitmo was going to have to close. There really wasn't any other option aside from US courts.

my DS is spread around fairly

487 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:48:44am

re: #480 vxbush

Good question. Wouldn't it actually be the current White House Counsel, since he's the one who said we should empty Gitmo? That precipitated all of this.

No. The buck stops in the Oval Office.

488 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:48:55am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

Beware the ODS. Bush discovered that military tribunals weren't going to work. Both McCain and Obama knew that Gitmo was going to have to close. There really wasn't any other option aside from US courts.

I disagree.

489 OJoe  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:49:04am

The conifers in the photo at the top of the thread look like Deodar Cedars. LA is full of them, they were popular to plant in the 1920s.

490 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:49:28am

I'm gonna' step back for a bit.

491 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:49:34am

re: #465 solomonpanting

U.S. to seek death penalty against 9/11 suspects

Well, that insures a long, healthy life.

They better have a rock solid case if they're pursuing capitol punishment. The bar for proof doesn't get set any higher than that.

I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would pursue this course of action. It seems designed to fail, epically.

Has there been any explanation offered for why a military proceeding wasn't considered?

492 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:50:01am

why does Gitmo have to close?...I never heard a straight answer, in lieu of the fact the is no better option

493 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:50:08am

re: #487 MandyManners

No. The buck stops in the Oval Office.

Yes, but given how Obama had to turn to said counsel in order to answer questions during the Q and A during the signing of that order, I think the power stands in the counsel's hands.

494 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:50:54am

re: #492 albusteve

why does Gitmo have to close?...I never heard a straight answer, in lieu of the fact the is no better option

A wide array of leftist constituency groups and their followers and supporters want it closed. That's why it has to close.

495 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:51:04am

re: #491 SixDegrees

They better have a rock solid case if they're pursuing capitol punishment. The bar for proof doesn't get set any higher than that.

I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would pursue this course of action. It seems designed to fail, epically.

Has there been any explanation offered for why a military proceeding wasn't considered?

yes, the We Won explanation

496 KenJen  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:51:07am

re: #492 albusteve

why does Gitmo have to close?...I never heard a straight answer, in lieu of the fact the is no better option

Because the world hates us for it and we can't have that can we?

497 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:51:08am

re: #491 SixDegrees

I don't see any good outcome here -- it's a lose/lose situation...(horrific, at least, given what we currently know...)

498 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:51:29am

I really don't think it's in the best interests of the American people to open our federal courts to these sorts of people. This is very short sighted. Can someone challenge this decision in the courts? Meaning- can the 9/11 families or someone sue to stop this and keep it out of our courts?

499 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:51:34am

re: #492 albusteve

why does Gitmo have to close?...I never heard a straight answer, in lieu of the fact the is no better option

Because it upsets too many people.

500 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:51:41am

re: #426 sattv4u2

Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings.

I see. So a private Church SHOULD be told what by the gov't how the PRIVATE CHURCH should spend their resources!

I was SURE theres something abot that in the CONSTITUTION!!

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Together with the Free Exercise Clause, ("... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"),

That is the ONLY beef I have with same sex marriage now...if there was a DEFINITIVE clause showing that religious organizations could NEVER be forced to do that, then I would say, let them get married.

501 OJoe  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:51:51am

re: #492 albusteve

If you keep the detainees there long enough they will croak there.

502 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

Nonsense. The military tribunals are still being used for several other terrorists; just not KSM and other 9/11 involved terrorists. The split in jurisdiction is odd to say the least.

Also, closing Gitmo doesn't address the fact that these are still detainees to be held in US facilities somewhere. That's the one issue that the Administration and critics refuse to deal with. Gitmo is an easy mark for them because it's Gitmo, but closing it? Where will all the detainees go? They'll be split up, but they've got to go somewhere because they're not going to be released.

Military tribunals were short circuited by the Administration, and this actually undermines the legal regime for dealing with the terrorists - unequal treatment of detainees - some in tribunals some in federal court. Don't think that there wont be another round of suits on that very issue.

Instead of keeping all in the tribunals, which was a legitimate alternative, this creates a bigger mess.

Bush didn't learn that the tribunals wouldn't work; the initial regime was refined by Congress after courts said that they had to work on improving matters. Now, this action by the Obama Administration short circuits the process altogether.

Holder's rationalization for the process doesn't hold water.

503 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:53:26am

re: #491 SixDegrees

They better have a rock solid case if they're pursuing capitol punishment. The bar for proof doesn't get set any higher than that.

I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would pursue this course of action. It seems designed to fail, epically.

Has there been any explanation offered for why a military proceeding wasn't considered?


Yes, by the Supreme Court.

504 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:53:39am

Gotta get food...

Later all.

505 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:54:01am

re: #502 lawhawk

Don't think that there wont be another round of suits on that very issue.

I hope someone stops this. Thank you, lawhawk.

506 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:54:24am

re: #502 lawhawk

Thank you for elaborating on my "I disagree" comment. ; )

507 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:54:28am

re: #492 albusteve

why does Gitmo have to close?...I never heard a straight answer, in lieu of the fact the is no better option

Campaign promise, reiterated once 0bama took office. Closing Gitmo was a major plank in his campaign.

That's why.

That's also why Craig was shit-canned yesterday. He's had a year to figure out how to close Gitmo, and has made essentially zero progress in all that time.

I'm thinking that having KSM released by a Federal court will prove to be more politically devastating to both 0bama and the Democrats than failure to close Gitmo, but maybe that's just me.

508 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:54:46am

using Gitmo, and the murdering terrorists for political currency...pandering with killers for carrots...it's just despicable

509 KenJen  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:55:19am

re: #502 lawhawk

Obama seems to be very adept in creating bigger messes.

510 KingKenrod  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:55:46am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

Beware the ODS. Bush discovered that military tribunals weren't going to work. Both McCain and Obama knew that Gitmo was going to have to close. There really wasn't any other option aside from US courts.

I beware people who think they have to defend Obama by blaming any criticism on ODS. It's like you can't judge anything without trying to relate it to crazed right-wingers. Don't you think it's possible this is a terrible mistake? Calling it unavoidable is just crap.

511 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:55:48am

re: #501 OJoe

If you keep the detainees there long enough they will croak there.

seems like an excellent solution...Gitmo is the perfect facility for what it's being used for

512 OJoe  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:56:29am

re: #508 albusteve

It is TOTALLY despicable, right from the campaign promise.

And before that, the whining and pious hand wringing of the left, all despicable and foolish.

513 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:56:33am

re: #500 Oh no...Sand People!

That is the ONLY beef I have with same sex marriage now...if there was a DEFINITIVE clause showing that religious organizations could NEVER be forced to do that, then I would say, let them get married.


I don't give two rats asses if ANY two people want to get married, regardless of their sexual orientation

I DO care when the gov't says a Church (ANY Church) HAS to marry them

Hell ,,, start your OWN church and get mariied there

514 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

Beware the ODS. Bush discovered that military tribunals weren't going to work. Both McCain and Obama knew that Gitmo was going to have to close. There really wasn't any other option aside from US courts.

Oh, so it's ODS. Silly me, I thought it was disappointment at the administration's setting a course to frustrate any chance of speedy justice for the Islamofascist terrorists.

515 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:57:05am

re: #501 OJoe

If you keep the detainees there long enough they will croak there.


Perfect, then we can just toss them off a cliff.

516 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:58:01am

re: #502 lawhawk

I got the impression from the Holder press conference that the Attorney General determined who would go to civilian courts (that 5 would be tried in civilian courts), and some others in military courts (that, btw, includes Canada's boy-wonder there -- Omar what's his name) -- based on The Presumed Outcomes -- ie, whether or not a conviction would be forthcoming! If the answer is "yes" -- it's civilian court. If the answer is "no" -- it's military.

517 OJoe  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:58:03am

re: #511 albusteve

That would be the obvious and easiest alternative if you ask me.

Even, declare them POWs and promise release when the war is over.

We all know that will be in 500 years at least. So it seems.

518 solomonpanting  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:59:00am

re: #510 KingKenrod


re: #478 Killgore Trout
Beware the ODS. Bush discovered that military tribunals weren't going to work. Both McCain and Obama knew that Gitmo was going to have to close. There really wasn't any other option aside from US courts.

I beware people who think they have to defend Obama by blaming any criticism on ODS. It's like you can't judge anything without trying to relate it to crazed right-wingers. Don't you think it's possible this is a terrible mistake? Calling it unavoidable is just crap.

What do you expect from someone who can make the case that the US has not been a force for good in the world?

519 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 8:59:59am

re: #516 J.S.

I got the impression from the Holder press conference that the Attorney General determined who would go to civilian courts (that 5 would be tried in civilian courts), and some others in military courts (that, btw, includes Canada's boy-wonder there -- Omar what's his name) -- based on The Presumed Outcomes -- ie, whether or not a conviction would be forthcoming! If the answer is "yes" -- it's civilian court. If the answer is "no" -- it's military.

But that seems ludicrous to me (as I'm sure it does many others) because it makes the determination of where to try them based on supposed outcomes as opposed to the appropriate rules on the ground.

520 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:00:57am

so there is not, in fact, any reason to close Gitmo, but I didn't hear Killgores reply

521 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:01:33am

re: #519 vxbush

exactly. It's ludicrous.

522 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:02:23am

re: #500 Oh no...Sand People!

That is the ONLY beef I have with same sex marriage now...if there was a DEFINITIVE clause showing that religious organizations could NEVER be forced to do that, then I would say, let them get married.

Like so many others, this problem arises as a result of confusing marriage - as sanctioned, practiced and blessed by any number of religious institutions - with marriage - represented by the state-issued acknowledgment of a civil contract between two consenting adults. Although they go by the same name, they are two entirely different things, and always have been. Your minister, priest or other church representative may perform the ceremony and record the fact in the institution's records, but he also files the paperwork with the state that confers all the various legal entwinements that come as a result, such as spousal inheritance, a different tax status and so on.

The best solution is simply to have the state stop calling what they issue "marriage licenses," and simply have them issue "civil contracts" or some other neutral-named certificate, and allow churches to keep performing marriages.

This is already the way things work, except for the confusion of terms. Divorce, for example, nullifies the state-issued contract, but it is NOT recognized by many churches, and divorcees will find themselves hard pressed to remarry within many churches, although they are still free to obtain the civil marriage certificate provided by the state.

Time to completely separate the two things, which are already separate anyway in all but name.

523 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:03:25am

re: #519 vxbush

btw, if I were a defense attorney, the claim about certainty of outcome (ie, winning a conviction --that it's a "done deal" coming) from the Attorney General of the United States poses a real problem for a "fair trial."

524 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:03:40am

White House counsel Greg Craig has been replaced with Anita Dunn's husband, Robert Bauer. Bauer's firm repersented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, the alleged driver and bodyguard of Osama Bin Laden.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

White House counsel has been replaced with Anita Dunn's husband, Robert Bauer. Bauer's firm repersented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, the alleged driver and bodyguard of Osama Bin Laden.


Perkins Coie also serves as counsel of record for the Democratic Party and its candidates; its political law group is headed by top campaign lawyer Bob Bauer. Perkins Coie represented John Kerry's presidential campaign and recently represented the Presidential campaign of Barack Obama. The firm represented Christine Gregoire in the prolonged litigation surrounding her 2004 Washington State gubernatorial election, and a team of Perkins lawyers headed by Marc Elias is currently representing Al Franken in his legal battle over the 2008 Senatorial election in Minnesota. The firm also represents the Democratic Leadership Council, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

In 2006, Perkins Coie made headlines when, led by partner Harry Schneider, it represented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, the alleged driver and bodyguard of Osama Bin Laden. The case made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the Bush Administration's Military Commissions were held unconstitutional.

525 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:04:21am

re: #523 J.S.

btw, if I were a defense attorney, the claim about certainty of outcome (ie, winning a conviction --that it's a "done deal" coming) from the Attorney General of the United States poses a real problem for a "fair trial."

Agreed. Very shoddy in terms of how to handle a press conference.

526 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:04:29am

re: #524 MandyManners

Sorry for the bad editing before I hit POST.

527 vxbush  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:05:34am

re: #524 MandyManners

I guess this doesn't count as a "conflict of interest," then.

528 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:05:37am

terrorist sympathizers and enablers in the White House...wow, chew on that

529 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:06:21am

re: #516 J.S.

The presumed outcomes is a joke and a mockery of the justice system in any incarnation. Sorry, but aren't defendents supposed to have a presumption of innocence? That's the way I read the US Constitution, and yet the decision making process for who gets tribunals and who doesn't is based on a presumption on outcome?

Bad. Very bad all the way around.

The rules should be based not on an outcome, but on substantive information - where attacks occurred, where accused were captured, etc.

You could argue that KSM and other 9/11 attacks could be tried in NY because it was the scene of the most heinous of the crimes, but just as surely you can argue they be held in tribunals because of their capture overseas; that they were not merely common criminals but enemy combatants operating in jihad.

The grounds on which these determinations were made is political by its very nature, and undermines the justice system - more than anything that the Bush Administration attempted.

530 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:06:23am

re: #440 Baier

My idea of winning, for whatever it is worth, would be having Afghanistan set up as a democracy with Kabul being able to exert enough power to control the entire nation.

They don't want a democracy in Afghanistan, or a central government, and no conceivable force on earth will give Kabul control of a set of tribes and clans that had already been doing their thing for thousands of years before the Greeks coined the word democracy.

They want to be tribal, they want to fight amongst themselves, they want to grow poppy (and we can't stop them), and they want the rest of the world to leave them the hell alone. Your definition of a win is impossible on its face.

Since our mission was to drive out al Qaeda (we never would have gone in there just to stop the Taliban, despite all the fine words to the contrary), and Q is now in Pakistan and the border regions, we should leave the Afghans to sort their own stuff out and focus on containment.

There is no "win" that includes an American-style democracy. Viz. Karzai if you don't believe that.

531 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:07:14am

Perkins Coie.

[Link: www.perkinscoie.com...]

532 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:08:44am

re: #529 lawhawk

Again, exactly -- it's this undermining of the whole civilian criminal justice system in the United States. Just horrific.

533 albusteve  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:09:21am

re: #532 J.S.

Again, exactly -- it's this undermining of the whole civilian criminal justice system in the United States. Just horrific.

one step at a time comrade

534 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:09:31am

re: #502 lawhawk

Ah, looks like you're correct...
Obama to revive Guantánamo military tribunals


The rest of the detainees would either be released, transferred to other countries or tried in civilian courts, officials said.

The decision to restart the process puts the administration in a race against the clock to conclude commission trials before the navy prison is closed by January 2010.

I thought the tribunals had been shut down by legal issues. Either was Gitmo was a well intentioned but flawed experiment by Bush. Although it will be a mess dealing with the remaining detainees in the future we'll just go back to the old system of capturing people secretly and keeping them in CIA/NSA black sites. No Lawyers, no press. The only thing we'll ever hear of them is when their remains are "discovered" after a missile strike on some compound in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

535 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:09:49am

re: #529 lawhawk

Your knowledge and insight are invaluable this morning.

536 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:10:29am

re: #492 albusteve

why does Gitmo have to close?...I never heard a straight answer, in lieu of the fact the is no better option

Because otherwise five obscure Norwegians might regret a prize they awarded recently.

537 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:10:31am

The Cole bomber will get a tribunal. Perhaps because his was a military target? Well, what the fuck is the Pentagon if not a military target?

538 filetandrelease  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:11:12am

re: #534 Killgore Trout

Ah, looks like you're correct...
Obama to revive Guantánamo military tribunals


I thought the tribunals had been shut down by legal issues. Either was Gitmo was a well intentioned but flawed experiment by Bush. Although it will be a mess dealing with the remaining detainees in the future we'll just go back to the old system of capturing people secretly and keeping them in CIA/NSA black sites. No Lawyers, no press. The only thing we'll ever hear of them is when their remains are "discovered" after a missile strike on some compound in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

The law of unintended consequences.

539 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:11:25am

re: #519 vxbush

But that seems ludicrous to me (as I'm sure it does many others) because it makes the determination of where to try them based on supposed outcomes as opposed to the appropriate rules on the ground.

Absolutely ludicrous. See lawhawk's explanation.

If you can see it's ludicrous, and I can see it's ludricous, why doesn't the US Attorney General realize it's ludicrous? Stunning.

540 J.S.  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:13:24am

re: #530 Cato the Elder

I think it was Michael Yon's observation that in Afghanistan you've got all these thousands of fortified compounds of mud-brick walls, and each one can become it's own little Alamo...with the people inside the compound willing to fight to the death to defend it...

541 gregb  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:23:10am

re: #23 freetoken

Anyone here have experience with GoDaddy.com ?

Registered my google apps premier domain through it. Works great, but for nothing more than DNS routing.

542 gregb  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 9:24:24am

re: #539 reine.de.tout

Absolutely ludicrous. See lawhawk's explanation.

If you can see it's ludicrous, and I can see it's ludricous, why doesn't the US Attorney General realize it's ludicrous? Stunning.

If they chose a venue for a presumed outcome, it would be one more justification for the dismissal of charges.

543 SpaceJesus  Fri, Nov 13, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #426 sattv4u2

Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings.

I see. So a private Church SHOULD be told what by the gov't how the PRIVATE CHURCH should spend their resources!

I was SURE theres something abot that in the CONSTITUTION!!

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Together with the Free Exercise Clause, ("... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"),


you're an idiot. reread the article.


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