Palin Was Shocked

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Politics • Sat Nov 14, 2009 at 10:38 am PST • Views: 155

In Sarah Palin’s interview with Barbara Walters, she says that when she learned her daughter Bristol was pregnant, she was shocked, you betcha.

Another revelation from the interview: Willow Palin thinks it would be “cool” if her mom became President.

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1 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:40:28am

What? Abstinence education didn't work? How can that be?

2 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:40:42am
3 Boyo  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:41:30am

the horror!

4 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:41:57am

Surely we dodged a huge bullet by not electing Palin. Obviously she was the first mother to ever be shocked to find out her teenage daughter was sexually active.
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5 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:43:14am

All right.

6 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:45:15am
Willow Palin thinks it would be “cool” if her mom became President.

You know, there are so many dumb things I wished for in my youth, that I don't even know where to begin with this!

7 Ministry of Fairness and Balance  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:47:13am

It is perfectly normal and common for parents, especially working parents, to have no f*cking idea what their teenagers are up to. Mine certainly didn't...

8 Mark Pennington  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:47:23am

If you make sure your daughter isn't on birth control and her boyfriend is at your home 24/7... how can you be shocked?

9 Racer X  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:47:31am

I HOPE ALL YOU PROGRESSIVES WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE WON'T BOW DOWN TO THE SAUDIS ARE HAPPY NOW!

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:47:33am

re: #6 Surabaya Stew

You know, there are so many dumb things I wished for in my youth, that I don't even know where to begin with this!

It's nice that the kid approves. I would have thought Willow was the one at the age that this would have been totally humiliating.

Why are my neighbors screaming at each other again?

11 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:49:18am

Willow Palin thinks it would be “cool” if her mom became President.

Yeah, cause I'm sure when Walters inteviews Michelle and/ or Barack they'll tell her that their kids were vehemently opposed to their dad becoming Pres

Barbara Walters, cutting edge of hard hitting interviews for decades!

12 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:49:19am

Why wouldn't she be shocked? What's wrong with her having high expectations for her daughter? Better to be disappointed than to be cynical about a child.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:50:24am

re: #8 beekiller

If you make sure your daughter isn't on birth control and her boyfriend is at your home 24/7... how can you be shocked?

I assume that she assumed they weren't having sex, which may be dumb, but is a normal kind of parental dumbness.

Eh. This is a non-story even for me, which is saying something considering how much I hate Palin.

14 Mark Pennington  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:51:25am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

I assume that she assumed they weren't having sex, which may be dumb, but is a normal kind of parental dumbness.

Eh. This is a non-story even for me, which is saying something considering how much I hate Palin.

Good point.

15 Ministry of Fairness and Balance  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #9 Racer X

I HOPE ALL YOU PROGRESSIVES WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE WON'T BOW DOWN TO THE SAUDIS ARE HAPPY NOW!


Yep, he should be hangin' out & partyin' on the family yacht with Prince Benazir like the Bush brothers used to...

16 Racer X  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:51:47am

Water is wet, etc.

17 albusteve  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:53:00am

anyboby that allows Babba Wawa to interview them is unfit for public office

18 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:54:08am

My dog doesn't seem to give 33% of a shit about Sarah Palin. I've never suffered as a result of following his lead.

True, I am physiologically incapable of licking my own equipment, but apart from that I tend to trust my dog's judgment.

19 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:56:05am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

It's nice that the kid approves. I would have thought Willow was the one at the age that this would have been totally humiliating.

Why are my neighbors screaming at each other again?

Well, no fault on her approving of her Mom's success; it's just that she has no idea what success of that nature entails.

20 webevintage  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:57:34am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

I assume that she assumed they weren't having sex, which may be dumb, but is a normal kind of parental dumbness.

Eh. This is a non-story even for me, which is saying something considering how much I hate Palin.

yep.

But I do like pointing out over and over again that "Abstinence Only Education" does.not.work.

and I heard something on the TV the other day that made me just annoyed at Ma Palin...not sure if it is true, but seems there was no voting on mom running for VP, just the kids being told once they got to Ohio that it was a done deal.
By Steve Schmidt.
Must have sucked to be the pregnant teen who was going to be paraded all over the country.
(I actually hope this is just nasty gossip and not the truth)

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:57:48am

re: #19 Surabaya Stew

Well, no fault on her approving of her Mom's success; it's just that she has no idea what success of that nature entails.

True. She's thirteen, fourteen? I take that simply as a vote of confidence in her mom. Which is nice.

22 MAK  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:58:14am

Nontroversy. Is that the right word?

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:59:40am

re: #20 webevintage

yep.

But I do like pointing out over and over again that "Abstinence Only Education" does.not.work.

and I heard something on the TV the other day that made me just annoyed at Ma Palin...not sure if it is true, but seems there was no voting on mom running for VP, just the kids being told once they got to Ohio that it was a done deal.
By Steve Schmidt.
Must have sucked to be the pregnant teen who was going to be paraded all over the country.
(I actually hope this is just nasty gossip and not the truth)

Abstinence only does not work, and using birth control sometimes, which is what the kids seem to have been doing does not work.

I hope Bristol was given an opportunity to stay home, and I really think Levi should have been left home...but water under the bridge.

24 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #20 webevintage

Do you like to point out what an absolute failure affirmative action is too?

25 Ministry of Fairness and Balance  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:01:28am

Bristol's pregnancy was one of the things that saved the country from Palin.

First of all, it showed what "abstinence only" was good for in terms of birth control.

And the outcome of the situation made it clear that not only was Sarah gonna have a shotgun wedding for her daughter and her white-trash boyfriend, but if she had her way she was gonna make everyone else's daughter keep the kid as well.

Most American oppose abortion on principle, but lots of families with teenage kids want to see it as an option in case "abstinence only" doesn't work.

26 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:02:27am

re: #20 webevintage

but seems there was no voting on mom running for VP,

ummm,,, ,,,UMMM,,, wow!

You DO know the difference between CHILDREN and PARENTS, no?

My son doesn't get a "vote" when my wife and I decide matters. Yes, we take his feelings and well being into consideration, but ,, VOTE!?!?!?

27 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:03:16am

re: #11 sattv4u2

Barbara Walters, cutting edge of hard hitting interviews for decades!

Just before, or after, Larry King.

28 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:04:10am

re: #26 sattv4u2

but seems there was no voting on mom running for VP,

ummm,,, ,,,UMMM,,, wow!

You DO know the difference between CHILDREN and PARENTS, no?

My son doesn't get a "vote" when my wife and I decide matters. Yes, we take his feelings and well being into consideration, but ,, VOTE!?!?!?

The problem is, Ms. Palin said there was a vote. That's the only reason it is being discussed, as a fact checking function.

29 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:04:25am

re: #26 sattv4u2

but seems there was no voting on mom running for VP,

ummm,,, ,,,UMMM,,, wow!

You DO know the difference between CHILDREN and PARENTS, no?

My son doesn't get a "vote" when my wife and I decide matters. Yes, we take his feelings and well being into consideration, but ,, VOTE!?!?!?

Well that's it, I am calling CPS on your ass for child abuse.//

30 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #27 solomonpanting

Just before, or after, Larry King.

If you were a tree , what kind of a tree would you be!

31 Mark Pennington  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:05:22am

re: #26 sattv4u2

but seems there was no voting on mom running for VP,

ummm,,, ,,,UMMM,,, wow!

You DO know the difference between CHILDREN and PARENTS, no?

My son doesn't get a "vote" when my wife and I decide matters. Yes, we take his feelings and well being into consideration, but ,, VOTE!?!?!?

I think I recall her saying she put it to a family vote and one said "hell yes!" or something.

32 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:06:56am

re: #19 Surabaya Stew

Well, no fault on her approving of her Mom's success; it's just that she has no idea what success of that nature entails.

Good thought. I'm encouraging my young kids to admire and respect Obama, even though I didn't vote for him. At their age, it's more important for them to be proud of their country and system of government, than to share my opinion of the current office-holder.

33 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:07:28am

re: #28 Stanley Sea

The problem is, Ms. Palin said there was a vote. That's the only reason it is being discussed, as a fact checking function.

All the better then.

Both parents voted YES. From Willows comment she probably did too. Pipers 7 and she probably wanted mommy to do it too
Thats 4 YESES

Even if Track, Bristol and Trig 'vote" NAY, it's 4-3

WEven if Trig agrees with Bristol that

34 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:07:30am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

True. She's thirteen, fourteen? I take that simply as a vote of confidence in her mom. Which is nice.

Agreed. But since she wasn't raised with expectations that her family would be with striking distance of power, the kid has no idea of what it means.

As an example of this way of thinking, (slightly OT) when Edward VIII stepped down, the future Queen Elizabeth (all of a sudden now 2nd in the line of succession) all of a sudden started encouraging her mother and father (the new King, George VI) to have a son, so that she could be spared the lifelong responsibility that comes with being a figurehead ruler. Being part of the ruling class, she knew what being on top represented, and she wanted to avoid it at all costs.

If someone in my family was in a position to possibly be president, I would run as far away as possible; because that shit sticks for a lifetime!

35 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:07:43am

re: #27 solomonpanting

Just before, or after, Larry King.

Hey, Larry was a little too hard-edged for "family values" icon Carrie Prejean!

36 Ministry of Fairness and Balance  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:09:58am

re: #32 The Sanity Inspector

Good thought. I'm encouraging my young kids to admire and respect Obama, even though I didn't vote for him. At their age, it's more important for them to be proud of their country and system of government, than to share my opinion of the current office-holder.

I can only admire you attitude, it was the one I held towards Bush in front of my children.

And I hope that the extreme right will get over theis "tyranny" and "dictatorship" doggerel when referring to the current administration and remember that he was legally elected by a majority of voters, who also provided him with a majority in both houses of Congress.

37 webevintage  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:11:10am

re: #24 soxfan4life

Do you like to point out what an absolute failure affirmative action is too?


Ummm, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition?

(random answer since I have no idea what AA has to do with teen sex?)

38 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:14:37am

re: #35 bratwurst

Hey, Larry was a little too hard-edged for "family values" icon Carrie Prejean!




I guess King didn't realize she wouldn't or couldn't talk about the settlement.

39 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:16:29am

re: #32 The Sanity Inspector

Good thought. I'm encouraging my young kids to admire and respect Obama, even though I didn't vote for him. At their age, it's more important for them to be proud of their country and system of government, than to share my opinion of the current office-holder.

Dude, that's a great thought, but how do you explain the totally subservient bow to the Japanese Emperor to your kids? He is disrespecting his office and his country with such actions.

40 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:18:10am

re: #39 redshirt

Dude, that's a great thought, but how do you explain the totally subservient bow to the Japanese Emperor to your kids? He is disrespecting his office and his country with such actions.

As long as Akihito bowed back, I see no problem.

41 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:18:26am

re: #39 redshirt

Dude, that's a great thought, but how do you explain the totally subservient bow to the Japanese Emperor to your kids? He is disrespecting his office and his country with such actions.

YEAH ,, I feel SO much worse today and ashamend of my country because he showed RESPECT. What a TERRIBLE lesson to teach our kids

Oh ,, wait ,,, no I don't!

42 webevintage  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:19:53am

re: #26 sattv4u2

but seems there was no voting on mom running for VP,

ummm,,, ,,,UMMM,,, wow!

You DO know the difference between CHILDREN and PARENTS, no?

My son doesn't get a "vote" when my wife and I decide matters. Yes, we take his feelings and well being into consideration, but ,, VOTE!?!?!?

It takes all kinds...
Your parenting is not my way and mine is not yours.
So far, at 17, knock on wood, our way has worked out just fine.

and sorry if I had been in Palin's position I would have NEVER put my pregnant teenager though what Todd and Sarah did. There are sometimes in your life when your kids have to come before your own ambition and I'd say that was one of them.
and yes, you are right, I do not like Palin...my loathing of her knows no bounds and is irrational, but some of it is grounded in her willingness to stick her kids out there.

43 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:21:11am

re: #40 Surabaya Stew

As long as Akihito bowed back, I see no problem.

He didn't bow back.re: #41 sattv4u2

YEAH ,, I feel SO much worse today and ashamend of my country because he showed RESPECT. What a TERRIBLE lesson to teach our kids

Oh ,, wait ,,, no I don't!

The President of the United States doesn't bow to anyone. A firm handshake and a look in the eye is respectful as well. Did you see the pic? Tell me it wasn't a subservient position.

44 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:22:09am

re: #43 redshirt

The President of the United States doesn't bow to anyone.


Worst. Meme. Ever.

45 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:23:20am

re: #43 redshirt

The President of the United States doesn't bow to anyone. A firm handshake and a look in the eye is respectful as well. Did you see the pic? Tell me it wasn't a subservient position.


Okay ,, it wasn't a subservient position

I'm sure there are many more things you need to be told!

46 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #37 webevintage

Ummm, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition?

(random answer since I have no idea what AA has to do with teen sex?)

You like to point out over and over again how abstinence only doesn't work, I was asking if you did the same with Affirmative Action.

47 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:27:04am

re: #43 redshirt

He didn't bow back.

My understanding was that he did, just not as much as Obama bowed to him.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:28:41am

re: #46 soxfan4life

You like to point out over and over again how abstinence only doesn't work, I was asking if you did the same with Affirmative Action.

Did you ask this for any reason, except that perhaps YOU like point out that Affirmative Action doesn't work? In that case, feel free. It's not a moral responsibility for anyone else to do so before they pick a pet peeve of their own.

49 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:28:56am

re: #47 Surabaya Stew

My understanding was that he did, just not as much as Obama bowed to him.

Watch the video.

50 webevintage  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:30:24am

re: #35 bratwurst

Hey, Larry was a little too hard-edged for "family values" icon Carrie Prejean!


[Video]

My itty bitty violin is playing for Carrie and the fact that the wheels have come off her ride on the evangelical gravy train.
She could have gotten a sweet 5-7 years out of this with FOTF interviews and books and speeches and love offerings, so much money lost because someone made a few videos.

51 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:33:58am

re: #39 redshirt

Dude, that's a great thought, but how do you explain the totally subservient bow to the Japanese Emperor to your kids? He is disrespecting his office and his country with such actions.

My kids are half-Asian, so bowing is no big deal to them. I'll save teaching them Presidential protocol for another decade.

52 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:34:38am

Washington Times

The bow was an extraordinary protocol violation. Such an act is a traditional obeisance befitting a king's subjects, not his peer. There is no precedent for U.S. presidents bowing to Saudi or any other royals.


More here
The President of the United States bows to nobody. America shows deference to nobody. Respect, yes, not deference. A deep bow, unanswered, is subservient.

53 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:34:47am

re: #49 redshirt

Watch the video.

I saw pictures of the said event, and saw Obama's bow; was almost certain that the Emperor bowed back to a lesser extent...likely due to arthritis in a man turning 76 next month. In any case, Japanese custom demands that the guest bows first, so that part didn't surprise me. Besides, which US president hasn't bowed to the Japanese Emperor?

54 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:34:53am

I'm pretty much sick of the Palin book/media tour already, but if it is a choice between that and the nontroversial BOW, I'll take the Palin crapola for 100.

55 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:35:13am

re: #51 The Sanity Inspector

My kids are half-Asian, so bowing is no big deal to them. I'll save teaching them Presidential protocol for another decade.

Matter of fact, that photo might be useful, in getting them to bow to their Asian aunts & uncles. They're still pretty resistant to doing it, when we go visit.

56 webevintage  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:35:49am

re: #46 soxfan4life

You like to point out over and over again how abstinence only doesn't work, I was asking if you did the same with Affirmative Action.

Once again not sure how they compare, but since I don't happen to think that AA is a complete failure (being the dirty lefty that I am) like telling kids "just don't do it and oh BTW of you do do it we won't tell you how not to get preggers or catch AIDS" then I won't be pointing that out.

Teenagers need the TRUTH and EDUCATION not slogans, religion, fear and guilt.

Tell them that it is a good idea not to have sex and how much it sucks to have to raise a baby at 16 or have an abortion or give a child up for adoption.
Fine.
But also give them comprehensive sex education and easy, cheap access to birth control.

57 Racer X  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:37:25am

Oh jeez. People. It was not a bow!

58 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:38:45am

re: #40 Surabaya Stew

As long as Akihito bowed back, I see no problem.

Now, if Obama tries to get into the act when he visits New Zealand, then...

59 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:39:38am

re: #56 webevintage

Once again not sure how they compare, but since I don't happen to think that AA is a complete failure (being the dirty lefty that I am) like telling kids "just don't do it and oh BTW of you do do it we won't tell you how not to get preggers or catch AIDS" then I won't be pointing that out.

Teenagers need the TRUTH and EDUCATION not slogans, religion, fear and guilt.

Tell them that it is a good idea not to have sex and how much it sucks to have to raise a baby at 16 or have an abortion or give a child up for adoption.
Fine.
But also give them comprehensive sex education and easy, cheap access to birth control.

That is their parents decision, not anyone else. While I might agree, that is for me to tell my children, not school administrators,other parents, anyone else.Hopee that clarified my stance for you.

60 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:39:59am

re: #55 The Sanity Inspector

Matter of fact, that photo might be useful, in getting them to bow to their Asian aunts & uncles. They're still pretty resistant to doing it, when we go visit.

Bowing is entirely fitting to elders, bosses, and relatives as a sign of respect, on a personal basis. Not befitting the highest elected representative of this country.

And is response to Surabaya stew, I am unaware if Bush ever bowed. Please show me the pic if he did. I remember the outrage of him holding the hand of the Saudi emperor, which did bother me because I didn't like the image of friendship with Saudi Arabia. But it didn't represent submission at least.

61 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:41:08am

re: #56 webevintage

Teenagers need the TRUTH and EDUCATION not slogans, religion, fear and guilt.

Truth is, if you don't do "IT", you don't get pregnant NOR communicable diseases

So why not teach both abstinance AND Birth Control with an emphasis on the former as a 100% preventable method!

62 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:41:53am

re: #56 webevintage

And don't post congratulations on the school bulletin board to unwed high school girls who have babies. That too much to ask?

63 soxfan4life  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:42:34am

re: #62 The Sanity Inspector

And don't post congratulations on the school bulletin board to unwed high school girls who have babies. That too much to ask?

What about in school daycare?

64 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:42:58am

re: #60 redshirt


I am unaware if Bush ever bowed. Please show me the pic if he did

Google is free, you know

[Link: images.google.com...]

65 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:43:49am

re: #52 redshirt

Washington Times


More here
The President of the United States bows to nobody. America shows deference to nobody. Respect, yes, not deference. A deep bow, unanswered, is subservient.


The Washington Times is your first source, your second source quotes your first. Charles stated in the overnight thread that back at the time of the Saudi business he was not able to find ANY legit source showing some major breech of protocol there (and thus in Japan). Considering his penchant for tireless research, I will take our host's word over the Washington Times.

66 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #64 sattv4u2

I am unaware if Bush ever bowed. Please show me the pic if he did

Google is free, you know

[Link: images.google.com...]

I am OUTRAGED!!!11!!111!!!

67 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:48:02am

Sex Educationre: #64 sattv4u2

I am unaware if Bush ever bowed. Please show me the pic if he did

Google is free, you know

[Link: images.google.com...]

OK, a pic of Bush bowing his head to receive an award is all you have? He had to incline his head for the ribbon to be placed over his head. Not a bow. He does appear to be inclining his head for the pope, however. Still not the same level of grovelling as Obama did to the Saudi King or the Japanese Leader.

68 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:48:54am

re: #62 The Sanity Inspector

And don't post congratulations on the school bulletin board to unwed high school girls who have babies. That too much to ask?

I sure wish I could find a news article from several years ago that told of a Holocaust survivor who visited a high school and recalled some of his experiences during the war.
One student, pregnant at the time, was aked by the reporter for her reaction to the talk given by the guest. She said she could relate to him because of her experience of being a pregnant teen-ager still in high school.
Really.

69 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:48:58am

Jeesh, blew that post! The sex education link was supposed to be separate! oopsy!

70 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:50:04am

re: #67 redshirt

Sex Education


OK, a pic of Bush bowing his head to receive an award is all you have? He had to incline his head for the ribbon to be placed over his head. Not a bow. He does appear to be inclining his head for the pope, however. Still not the same level of grovelling as Obama did to the Saudi King or the Japanese Leader.

Image: bush_bow.jpg

What "award??

71 webevintage  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:51:34am

re: #64 sattv4u2

I am unaware if Bush ever bowed. Please show me the pic if he did

Google is free, you know

[Link: images.google.com...]

I prefer the pictures of him feeling up Merkel...
[Link: images.google.com...]

72 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #60 redshirt

And is response to Surabaya stew, I am unaware if Bush ever bowed. Please show me the pic if he did.

Sorry, we will have to wait for the DKos boys to dig that up.
:-D

73 Ministry of Fairness and Balance  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:53:21am

re: #71 webevintage

I prefer the pictures of him feeling up Merkel...
[Link: images.google.com...]

How could he resist her with cleavage like that?

Image: 224954_1_080415-wisp01-merkel.jpg

74 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:55:34am

Actually, I can't find any evidence that Akihito and Bush Jr. ever had a formal meeting. If this proves to be the case, Dubya sure dodged a bullet!

75 webevintage  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 11:57:44am

re: #61 sattv4u2

Teenagers need the TRUTH and EDUCATION not slogans, religion, fear and guilt.

Truth is, if you don't do "IT", you don't get pregnant NOR communicable diseases

So why not teach both abstinance AND Birth Control with an emphasis on the former as a 100% preventable method!

done.
and I think parents should be allowed to opt their kids out of sex ed if they want to and deny them access to BC too if they feel that way.

I have to say that when mine was younger I felt more interested in parental rights, but at 17 (and I felt this way when he was 14 and 15 too) I'm much more interested in him avoiding an STD or a, God forbid, Grandkid then I am worrying about someone teaching him something I don't agree with or slipping him a condom without my premission.

76 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:00:42pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

[Link: 4.bp.blogspot.com...]

What "award??

I don't know what the award was, but he placing a ribbon over his head for some reason. I remember seeing the video.

77 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #76 redshirt

I don't know what the award was, but he placing a ribbon over his head for some reason. I remember seeing the video.

Image: bush_bow.jpg

NO award ,, look again!

A bow is a bow is a bow is a bow!

WOW!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:13:02pm

re: #55 The Sanity Inspector

Matter of fact, that photo might be useful, in getting them to bow to their Asian aunts & uncles. They're still pretty resistant to doing it, when we go visit.

Tell them that in my Jewish family, showing respect to your elders involves allowing them to pinch a facial nerve between their knuckles and twist. Screaming is not allowed.

Bowing is a breeze.

79 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:13:35pm

re: #22 MAK

Nontroversy. Is that the right word?

Only applicable to concerns raised against BHO and his advisors and policies.

80 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #77 sattv4u2

[Link: www.stolendroids.com...]

NO award ,, look again!

A bow is a bow is a bow is a bow!

WOW!

McArthur bowed to Akihito's daddy after kicking his ass and bombing his country into submission. it's protocol.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:15:14pm

re: #62 The Sanity Inspector

And don't post congratulations on the school bulletin board to unwed high school girls who have babies. That too much to ask?

I'm torn on that, actually. You don't want to encourage young girls to get pregnant, but a baby is a baby.

82 Surabaya Stew  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:17:58pm

re: #80 Guanxi88

McArthur bowed to Akihito's daddy after kicking his ass and bombing his country into submission. it's protocol.

Which is the absolute truth. However, you can be sure that ceremony was never photographed! The famous picture of the 2 of them standing side by side doesn't leave much room for doubt as to who was in charge...

83 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:19:46pm

re: #82 Surabaya Stew

Which is the absolute truth. However, you can be sure that ceremony was never photographed! The famous picture of the 2 of them standing side by side doesn't leave much room for doubt as to who was in charge...

Opportunity was there today; it wasn't then. I don't like the Pres one little bit, but I'm not gonna jump down his throat for paying his respects to America's closest and longest-term ally in Asia. I recognize no king or crown, and would bow to His Excellency without hesitation, as failure to do so would be disrespectful, not to the man, who is who he is whether I acknowledge it or not, but to this people.

84 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:20:54pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm torn on that, actually. You don't want to encourage young girls to get pregnant, but a baby is a baby.

And a school is a school

Academic acheivemnets ,,, CONGRATS

Sports team did good ,,, CONGRATS

Both are school events

Getting Preggy ,, not so much!

85 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

Getting Preggy ,, not so much!

Remember when Preggy Sue got married?

86 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:28:03pm

re: #85 solomonpanting

Remember when Preggy Sue got married?

I wasn't there that day!

87 redshirt  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 12:59:58pm

re: #77 sattv4u2

[Link: www.stolendroids.com...]

NO award ,, look again!

A bow is a bow is a bow is a bow!

WOW!

I admitted that Bush bowed his head to the pope, I was referring to the image with the Saudi king, where he clearly is getting something placed around his neck. He didn't bow to the Saudi king.
But it still doesn't compare to Obama's bow. He not only bowed completely, he appears to be looking at the ground, taking his eyes off the one he is bowing to. Totally subservient. He could have made a gesture far less dramatic, yet still respectful, had he cared to.

88 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 1:18:34pm

Shrill, baby, shrill!

89 palomino  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 1:30:19pm

re: #67 redshirt

Sex Education

OK, a pic of Bush bowing his head to receive an award is all you have? He had to incline his head for the ribbon to be placed over his head. Not a bow. He does appear to be inclining his head for the pope, however. Still not the same level of grovelling as Obama did to the Saudi King or the Japanese Leader.

Now you're just willfully ignoring inconvenient information. ONE of the pics is Bush bowing to get a medal. Another is Bush bowing to the Pope. A third is Clinton bowing to somebody clearly even less important than the Pope.

Obama's "unprecedented subservience" only exists in your imagination. ODS does funny things to the mind--delusion, paranoia, maybe even hallucination.

90 Claire  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 1:31:35pm

Yes, but if Willow could be a tree, what kind of tree would she want to be?

/ channeling Babba Wawwa

91 Claire  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 1:36:11pm

re: #30 sattv4u2

If you were a tree , what kind of a tree would you be!

Jinx!

92 tradewind  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 1:55:16pm

Sarah Palin was shocked when her teenaged daughter became pregnant?
Wow. That's really a reaction that's like, so ...
normal. What a scoop .
Couldn't Ms. WaWa have gone rogue and asked her something interesting, say ' Sawah Palin, if you were a twee, which one you be?'

93 iLikeCandy  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 1:59:06pm

re: #32 The Sanity Inspector

I'm encouraging my young kids to admire and respect Obama, even though I didn't vote for him. At their age, it's more important for them to be proud of their country and system of government, than to share my opinion of the current office-holder.

Obama one the one hand and the country and system of government on the other are not the same thing. My relatives and I talk about Obama very freely in front of the kids. No harm in their knowing that elected leaders can be incompetent, wrong, and dangerous, and that Americans are free to say so out loud.

94 tradewind  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 2:10:02pm

re: #90 Claire
(Sorry... to you and anyone else, didn't read up-thread before I posted that one, you bet'cha).

95 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 2:46:21pm

re: #87 redshirt

But it still doesn't compare to Obama's bow. He not only bowed completely, he appears to be looking at the ground, taking his eyes off the one he is bowing to. Totally subservient. He could have made a gesture far less dramatic, yet still respectful, had he cared to.

At least Obama was not seen walking around in America holding hands with and practically tongue-kissing the aged Saudi despot.

Something tells me the utter subservience of the Bush Oil Mafia to Saudi interests is sharply missed in Riyadh.

96 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 2:52:15pm

re: #95 Cato the Elder

At least Obama was not seen walking around in America holding hands with and practically tongue-kissing the aged Saudi despot.

Something tells me the utter subservience of the Bush Oil Mafia to Saudi interests is sharply missed in Riyadh.

How dare you point out an ongoing fact of US-Saudi relations!

97 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 2:58:41pm

re: #96 Guanxi88

How dare you point out an ongoing fact of US-Saudi relations!

More than that - I'm pointing out that the entire Bush clan stood to personally gain from the quasi sexual relations between Dubya and Abdullah. That potential conflict of interest is missing in Obama's case.

98 RexMundi  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 3:53:30pm

So Palin said this about Bristol being pregnant:

"That's why I was shocked," Palin said. "Truthfully, we were devastated."

Devastated? I don't want to see people busting Obama about his comments about either of his daughters being "punished" with a child if they let the "devastated" comment slide by as well.

99 3kids3dogs  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 5:04:35pm

I think Bristol Palin's pregnancy was one of the best things to happen in American politics. Hopefully it forever removed one of the least important issues for a candidate to have to address. Especially since it came from a candidate from the conservative side of the spectrum. Rightly or wrongly, the Republicans are generally considered the "family values" party. Now if a Democrat is in the same situation it will be very difficult for them to be criticized for it by someone on the right.

Children often make choices that dissapoint their parents but it doesn't automatically say much of anything regarding the character of the parents (although it can in some cases). If Chelsea Clinton was an unwed mother, even as an adult, I think it would have been a big issue. If the Obamas had a pregnant teenage daughter his campaign would have been stalled in its infancy (pun intended).

I don't think the fact that Bristol Palin was pregnant told us anything about Sarah Palin's ability to fulfill the duties of the office of the Vice President.

100 tjseagrove  Sat, Nov 14, 2009 6:40:33pm

so...nothing really earth shattering in the interview.

101 Alan K. Henderson  Sun, Nov 15, 2009 10:32:24pm

re: #17 albusteve

anyboby that allows Babba Wawa to interview them is unfit for public office

Oh, I don't know about that. People who watch puffball interviewers vote too. You have to get their attention somehow if you're trying to expand your base. The Baba Wawa crowd isn't exactly tuning in to "Meet the Press."


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