Well, I guess it's better than wondering...

Shocka!

Uh...huh...goddammit.
You aren't helping, Palin!

Well, that's disappointing. So much for all that "my parents were science teachers" business.

It's like a big ol' scarlet "I" for "IDIOT" on their foreheads when they do this. There goes whatever respect I had for her.

Feh.

But we ARE fish, Sarah. It's why we get hiccups and men get hernias.

I really don't understand the huge interest in Palin's book. There are much more important things to worry about besides Sarah Palin. Frankly Sarah Palin bores me. She had a shot at the WH as VP and failed. Big deal. Many have done the same thing. Why the obsession with Sarah Palin?

"Elsewhere in this volume, she talks about creationism, saying she “didn’t believe in the theory that human beings — thinking, loving beings — derive from an organism that would also eventually evolve to what we now refer to as fish and/or monkeys via environmental pressures.”

FIXED IT FOR YA.

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

I really don't understand the huge interest in Palin's book. There are much more important things to worry about besides Sarah Palin. Frankly Sarah Palin bores me. She had a shot at the WH as VP and failed. Big deal. Many have done the same thing. Why the obsession with Sarah Palin?

cause so many agree with her I guess...

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

I really don't understand the huge interest in Palin's book. There are much more important things to worry about besides Sarah Palin. Frankly Sarah Palin bores me. She had a shot at the WH as VP and failed. Big deal. Many have done the same thing. Why the obsession with Sarah Palin?

She's America's new Post Turtle, except half of us think turtles on posts are awesome.

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

Why the obsession with Sarah Palin?

Perhaps someone will call Limbaugh on Tuesday when Palin is his guest and ask him that?

Less than two years ago Sarah Palin was an unknown figure in the American political landscape and popular culture. Much time has elapsed since the 2008 election including her quitting her governorship in mid term -- barely accomplishing a thing during her tenure other than defending herself from legal challenges.

Today, a day does not go by without hearing her opinions, Facebook entries, and how Rush Limbaugh thinks this book is one of the best on policy. Now we get her revelation that we did not evolve from "monkeys or fish."

She is truly the Britney Spears of the political world.

re: #4 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, that's disappointing. So much for all that "my parents were science teachers" business.

It's like a big ol' scarlet "I" for "IDIOT" on their foreheads when they do this. There goes whatever respect I had for her.

Feh.

Funny how often this is said in conjunction with her. She really has a hard time getting out of her own way.

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

I really don't understand the huge interest in Palin's book. There are much more important things to worry about besides Sarah Palin. Frankly Sarah Palin bores me. She had a shot at the WH as VP and failed. Big deal. Many have done the same thing. Why the obsession with Sarah Palin?

why do you hate America ?!? ///

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

There wasn't a clear indication of her position on this issue until now. She had first supported creationism in schools, then backed off. Other than that- there was no statements one way of the other as to her personal opinion on the matter. Not any more.

re: #11 Gus 802

Less than two years ago Sarah Palin was an unknown figure in the American political landscape and popular culture. Much time has elapsed since the 2008 election including her quitting her governorship in mid term -- barely accomplishing a thing during her tenure other than defending herself from legal challenges.

Today, a day does not go by without hearing her opinions, Facebook entries, and how Rush Limbaugh thinks this book is one of the best on policy. Now we get her revelation that we did not evolve from "monkeys or fish."

She is truly the Britney Spears of the political world.

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! LEAVE HER ALONE!!! [sobbing]

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re: #11 Gus 802

Less than two years ago Sarah Palin was an unknown figure in the American political landscape and popular culture. Much time has elapsed since the 2008 election including her quitting her governorship in mid term -- barely accomplishing a thing during her tenure other than defending herself from legal challenges.

Today, a day does not go by without hearing her opinions, Facebook entries, and how Rush Limbaugh thinks this book is one of the best on policy. Now we get her revelation that we did not evolve from "monkeys or fish."

She is truly the Britney Spears of the political world.

no BO is the Britney Spears of the political world

re: #14 Sharmuta

There wasn't a clear indication of her position on this issue until now. She had first supported creationism in schools, then backed off. Other than that- there was no statements one way of the other as to her personal opinion on the matter. Not any more.

I wasn't talking about this particular issue. I meant in general. I'm sick of seeing her mentioned on every channel. I have ESPN on right now so I am safe for the moment. For someone the press loathes so much they sure give her lots of attention.

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! LEAVE HER ALONE!!! [sobbing]

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You know, the Brit Brit analogy works for me...

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! LEAVE HER ALONE!!! [sobbing]

///

Yes! Remember when you couldn't go anywhere online without seeing her mug? It's almost the same today with Palin. I know it's because of this book but it's already old.

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

I wasn't talking about this particular issue. I meant in general. I'm sick of seeing her mentioned on every channel. I have ESPN on right now so I am safe for the moment. For someone the press loathes so much they sure give her lots of attention.

and the anti right gorges themselves on her every breath...the press doesn't loath her, they love her

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Sarah Palin is the de facto leader of the opposition to the current political party in power. That, and the fact that her publisher has designed a grand promotion strategy for her book, is why we hear so much of her.

re: #3 davinvalkri

Uh...huh...goddammit.
You aren't helping, Palin!

I wonder if she cares whether or not she is helping the Republican party and/or the conservative movement. Currently she appears to mainly care about making as much money as possible. I don't blame her for that. One must strike while the iron is hot and there are many irons hotter than hers right now.

I ain't no retarded fish-frog, quoth Palin.

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

She has a book coming out- that's why she's getting press right now. My guess is after this, things will quiet down- until she posts another provocative Facebook entry. Her people are trying to keep her in the spotlight so she can stay relevant for 2012.

re: #16 albusteve

no BO is the Britney Spears of the political world

I won't argue with that, exposure wise. I was just trying to equate the vapid nature of the two plus the exposure factor.

re: #21 freetoken

Sarah Palin is the de facto leader of the opposition to the current political party in power. That, and the fact that her publisher has designed a grand promotion strategy for her book, is why we hear so much of her.

I feel so left out

I am not much of Palin fan, but I also don't really care about the religious beleifs (or lack there of) of any pol... unless of course they want to force it upon me that is.

re: #19 Gus 802

I think this is a push about her book. WSJ had 12 articles about her yesterday but only one of two today. I think this will probably simmer down soon but it does seem like her fan base (Rupert Murdoch, Drudge, Hot Air, etc) are really pushing for her.

re: #19 Gus 802

Yes! Remember when you couldn't go anywhere online without seeing her mug? It's almost the same today with Palin. I know it's because of this book but it's already old.

Yeah, these days Britney is being productive (a hit album and a sold-out world tour qualify as productive in my book). The GOP needs the kind of conservatorship that helped her recover. I'd nominate David Frum for the role of conservator.

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Well, yes, there are readership eyes, and ad revenue to be gotten!
HELLO!

It's just like with new movies. I'm so sick of seeing these New Moon people, but that's how the industry works. Promote, promote, promote. Until you're so sick of the person/people you could puke.

Then a new movie comes out.

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I think this is a push about her book. WSJ had 12 articles about her yesterday but only one of two today. I think this will probably simmer down soon but it does seem like her fan base (Rupert Murdoch, Drudge, Hot Air, etc) are really pushing for her.

12 articles? Investors no doubt. Curious response from "the McCain camp" over at Politico:

McCain camp: Palin account 'all fiction'

My guess is that will die down over time but her exposure will come in waves.

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, these days Britney is being productive (a hit album and a sold-out world tour qualify as productive in my book). The GOP needs the kind of conservatorship that helped her recover. I'd nominate David Frum for the role of conservator.

But first she must shave her head.

How does she explain the existence of Levi Johnston?

hockey fan;
Sarah Palin, (love, hate or indifferent to her) is a compelling story. She's gonna run for President and depending on how far down the toilet the congress and President Obama flush the country,,, wait for it... She'll win in the same manner that Kerry, Hillary, John Edwards, Biden or ANYBODY else the Democrat nominated last year was going to beat Bush Lite.

re: #34 Cato the Elder

How does she explain the existence of Levi Johnston?

Oh, he's definitely come swinging out of a tree. He's not even fully evolved.

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I think this is a push about her book. WSJ had 12 articles about her yesterday but only one of two today. I think this will probably simmer down soon but it does seem like her fan base (Rupert Murdoch, Drudge, Hot Air, etc) are really pushing for her.

Killgore:
See this response to your inquiry on the previous thread.

re: #37 reine.de.tout

Hi Reine!
*waves*

so Palin is being used by the media to draw attention away from the lefts failures...and we are supposed to fall for this diversion?...we are supposed to feel bad about ourselves because Palin is the defacto leader of the right?...I don't think so...it has nothing to do with me...I can live with whoever gets elected POTUS...after all BO got elected

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Hi Reine!
*waves*

Flo!
Howdy!
*waves back*

Well I have a cat, and he's an orange tom, and he for sure thinks, and I would say loves as well, and he can't stand his sister.

We're not so different, animals and us,

Are we now?

& my cat is purring as I type.

re: #36 EmmmieG

Oh, he's definitely come swinging out of a tree. He's not even fully evolved.

No kidding. That guy is an asshole. Period. Whatever you think of Sarah Palin, if you don't suffer from outright PDS, he's clearly an asshole.

LOL, she defines being human in part as being a thinking being. Maybe she's a legged fish after all.

re: #3 davinvalkri

Uh...huh...goddammit.
You aren't helping, Palin!

Damnit, Batman! I keep trying to tell people you aren't gay, but you're not helping!

re: #37 reine.de.tout

Thanks, I hadn't notice that PDF. I should be able to figure it out now.

re: #32 Gus 802

12 articles? Investors no doubt. Curious response from "the McCain camp" over at Politico:

McCain camp: Palin account 'all fiction'

My guess is that will die down over time but her exposure will come in waves.

Oh- the McCain people are pissed:

Former McCain strategist John Weaver was more direct in his criticism, slamming Palin for using the book for "petty and pathetic" score-settling.

"Sarah Palin reminds me of Jimmy Stewart in the movie 'Harvey,' complete with imaginary conversations. All books like these are revisionist and self-serving, by definition," Weaver wrote in an e-mail to Politico. "But the score-settling by someone who wants to be considered a serious national player is petty and pathetic."

"The problem wasn't who her interview was with, the problem was her interview," he added. "Couric asked no trick questions. This just seems to be an attempt to obscure as bad a performance since Roger Mudd asked Ted Kennedy that simple question." (Kennedy fumbled for an answer when Mudd asked him in 1979 why he wanted to be president — a performance thought to have severely damaged his campaign.)

Palin did not respond to a request for comment.

This rips my guts out every time I see it. Moshe Holtzberg crying for his "Ima" in Mumbai.

I can't bear it.

My son has gone to Mumbai on many visits, rebuilding what was destroyed, but he removed his own family from Moscow and resettled them in Brooklyln.

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

No kidding. That guy is an asshole. Period. Whatever you think of Sarah Palin, if you don't suffer from outright PDS, he's clearly an asshole.

A turd - and she knew it. And yet in her opportunism she tried to polish him into a gentleman for the sake of the cameras and her career.

re: #35 jdog29

hockey fan;
Sarah Palin, (love, hate or indifferent to her) is a compelling story. She's gonna run for President and depending on how far down the toilet the congress and President Obama flush the country,,, wait for it... She'll win in the same manner that Kerry, Hillary, John Edwards, Biden or ANYBODY else the Democrat nominated last year was going to beat Bush Lite.

When she runs for POTUS then I can understand the wall to wall coverage. She's been in the press way too much since the election. I think people are going to get sick of seeing her all the time and get bored after a while. I am already there.

re: #46 Sharmuta

cat fight!

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

When she runs for POTUS then I can understand the wall to wall coverage. She's been in the press way too much since the election. I think people are going to get sick of seeing her all the time and get bored after a while. I am already there.

I believe she's already running.

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Damnit, Batman! I keep trying to tell people you aren't gay, but you're not helping!

The only reason people think Batman is gay is because of Robin. The current Batman continuities (both the Dark Knight movie sets and the cartoon Batman: The Brave and the Bold) don't have Batman. Therefore your charge is currently unfounded (fangirl imaginations nonwithstanding).

Y'know, you can believe in divine creation and still support and encourage the sciences. The two are not mutually exclusive. Just sayin...

re: #39 albusteve

so Palin is being used by the media to draw attention away from the lefts failures...and we are supposed to fall for this diversion?...we are supposed to feel bad about ourselves because Palin is the defacto leader of the right?...I don't think so...it has nothing to do with me...I can live with whoever gets elected POTUS...after all BO got elected

Sarah Palin is a self contained diversion. Always has been since she hit the limelight last year. Don't you think she wants this attention? She's trying to sell a book and continue her public exposure. If she become a diversion it is because of the nature of her rhetoric which began with her "deer in the headlights" interview with Katie Couric last year. And as has been pointed out she is also being pimped by the WSJ and of course Fox News. If the left is able to turn that into a weapon that's just a natural response and an easy one at that.

re: #53 FullRoller

Y'know, you can believe in divine creation and still support and encourage the sciences. The two are not mutually exclusive. Just sayin...

Then, maybe someone could explain the importance of fruit fly research to Palin.
Just saying...

re: #35 jdog29

Sarah Palin, (love, hate or indifferent to her) is a compelling story.

Compelling many who might otherwise support the GOP to run for cover, and compelling others to puke every time she flaps her gob.

She would be Obama's dream opponent in 2012.

i don't understand the left's hatred of this woman. She has strong conservative beliefs, but there are a dozens of politicians that do as well. What is this obsession with the left's wanting to bring this woman down.

re: #53 FullRoller

Y'know, you can believe in divine creation and still support and encourage the sciences. The two are not mutually exclusive. Just sayin...

Gregor Mendel approves!

re: #51 jdog29

I believe she's already running.

so's BO...what's the big deal?...AmIdol politics, this is what we've come to...the bigger question is, what are you doing to make sure you survive in this economy...that should be more important than who's running for POTUS three years from now

re: #52 davinvalkri

The only reason people think Batman is gay is because of Robin. The current Batman continuities (both the Dark Knight movie sets and the cartoon Batman: The Brave and the Bold) don't have BatmanROBIN. Therefore your charge is currently unfounded (fangirl imaginations nonwithstanding).

I'm such a twit.

re: #56 Cato the Elder

The way Obama is going, I think the GOP could run anybody and win back the presidency. He is fading fast

re: #57 jonik

I do not understand the obsession either, it is creepy, it makes me back away from those who display it.

re: #56 Cato the Elder

Compelling many who might otherwise support the GOP to run for cover, and compelling others to puke every time she flaps her gob.

She would be Obama's dream opponent in 2012.

I believe Mitt Romney's magic underwear would be the dream opponent of whom you speak.

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

I really don't understand the huge interest in Palin's book. There are much more important things to worry about besides Sarah Palin. Frankly Sarah Palin bores me. She had a shot at the WH as VP and failed. Big deal. Many have done the same thing. Why the obsession with Sarah Palin?

Seriously? Because I absolutely. can't. stand. the. woman.

This isn't really about any kind of real politics, I just enjoy poking her to get revenge for that hideous campaign.

I can't justify it. It's just personal.

re: #54 Gus 802

Sarah Palin is a self contained diversion. Always has been since she hit the limelight last year. Don't you think she wants this attention? She's trying to sell a book and continue her public exposure. If she become a diversion it is because of the nature of her rhetoric which began with her "deer in the headlights" interview with Katie Couric last year. And as has been pointed out she is also being pimped by the WSJ and of course Fox News. If the left is able to turn that into a weapon that's just a natural response and an easy one at that.

big fucking deal...how's your bank account holing up

re: #57 jonik

i don't understand the left's hatred of this woman. She has strong conservative beliefs, but there are a dozens of politicians that do as well. What is this obsession with the left's wanting to bring this woman down.

She has done herself in, she has no one to blame but herself.
She made a really good first impression on some folks (myself included), and then began the downhill slide, and she is a miserable failure.

re: #48 Cato the Elder

A turd - and she knew it. And yet in her opportunism she tried to polish him into a gentleman for the sake of the cameras and her career.

dude, how to you portend to know all of this? I think that you like hate her so much you see her as Satan incarnate or something. just Luke the left saw george bush.

that being said, Sarah certainly lost my enthusiastic support quite a while ago. I suppose (like John McCain and Steve Schmidt) I wasn't as smart as Cato or whatever and recognize that this Mom from Alaska was the spawn of Medusa or whatever you see her as.

on a much lighter note, I really hope we get to see Tina Fey do a parody of the Opera segment on SNL next week.

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

When she runs for POTUS then I can understand the wall to wall coverage. She's been in the press way too much since the election. I think people are going to get sick of seeing her all the time and get bored after a while. I am already there.

I don't disagree with you, but this is the course her people have decided to take. They think they have to keep her in the spotlight.

Problem is, it's not helping.

re: #61 jonik

Piss, just what we need, a president from the other party.

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth.™

re: #46 Sharmuta

What a mistake this turned out to be by the McCain camp. To pick her as the running mate.

Of course there's also the ghost writer of this book, Lynn Vincent, and the associated RSM.

It's a slow motion train wreck.

re: #62 Ojoe

I do not understand the obsession either, it is creepy, it makes me back away from those who display it.

me too...it's not so much about her as it is about them...(shiver)

re: #66 reine.de.tout

I agree. I was hopeful at first, and then reality intruded like a bad blind date.

re: #69 Ojoe

Piss, just what we need, a president from the other party.

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth.™

Time for your link?

re: #57 jonik

i don't understand the left's hatred of this woman. She has strong conservative beliefs, but there are a dozens of politicians that do as well. What is this obsession with the left's wanting to bring this woman down.

She's not a conservative- she's a theo-con.

If Sarah Palin cared for her daughter one thirtieth as much as she cares about power, she would never have encouraged Bristol to marry Levi Johnston. It was all about politics and putting on a show for the SoCons.

re: #57 jonik

i don't understand the left's hatred of this woman. She has strong conservative beliefs, but there are a dozens of politicians that do as well. What is this obsession with the left's wanting to bring this woman down.

She's someone they love to hate. They want her to be the straw man for every conservative, to paint all conservatives to be as batty as her.

re: #72 jaunte

I agree. I was hopeful at first, and then reality intruded like a bad blind date.

exactly.
I would see her making a mess of things, and cringe, trying to will her to do OK.
Then it hit me like a ton of bricks - she's empty.

re: #67 rollwave87

blah sorry for all the typos. writing on my iPhone.

re: #34 Cato the Elder

How does she explain the existence of Levi Johnston?

Could it be...Satan?

Whenever I see S.P. I see Tina Fey. She would make much better S.P. than S.P herself!

Tine Fey for President!

re: #59 albusteve

so's BO...what's the big deal?...AmIdol politics, this is what we've come to...the bigger question is, what are you doing to make sure you survive in this economy...that should be more important than who's running for POTUS three years from now

I agree, but the particular question you are asking will keep coming to the feet of President Obama and consequently making him look even more inept than he already does. (are we bowing before ALL royalty now?)

re: #48 Cato the Elder

A turd - and she knew it. And yet in her opportunism she tried to polish him into a gentleman for the sake of the cameras and her career.

I'm not sure that was the only reason. He's the father of her first grandchild, and she probably did want him to grow into a suitable husband for her daughter (whom she does genuinely love). The main failure of the breakdown between him and the Palin family rests with him.

re: #76 BryanS

She's someone they love to hate. They want her to be the straw man for every conservative, to paint all conservatives to be as batty as her.

Except she's not a conservative.

re: #65 albusteve

big fucking deal...how's your bank account holing up

Not very good. But I'm dealing with the reality I see now regarding Palin. I voted for McCain/Palin but that still doesn't mean I can't criticize her now. One could argue that we are in the situation we are in now and that McCain lost by losing the independent because of Palin. Regardless, whether or not I see Obama as a failure does not mean I see Palin as the better alternative at this point.

re: #78 rollwave87

blah sorry for all the typos. writing on my iPhone.

's OK. That was a long post coming from an iPhone!

No surprise here, but she's crafty enough to understand it's political suicide at national level to advocate teaching ID in schools.

OT: Leftover from last thread. The war of the leaves continues, this time we had to unleash the mechanized division on the western front, it served well to mow down the hordes of invading leaves. Some of them were illegal immigrant leaves from the neighbor's yards rather than the nativist refuse that falls from my pear tree.
I"m also on a major GTA binge, and took the dogs to the park today.

re: #69 Ojoe

Piss, just what we need, a president from the other party.

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth.™

So who's running from the Whigs :?)

re: #47 Alouette

This rips my guts out every time I see it. Moshe Holtzberg crying for his "Ima" in Mumbai.

[Video]

I can't bear it.

My son has gone to Mumbai on many visits, rebuilding what was destroyed, but he removed his own family from Moscow and resettled them in Brooklyln.

{Babushka}

re: #70 Gus 802

The way the McCain campaign was going, they were grasping at straws. The conservatives in the GOP hate McCain; so he had to do something. I still think they misused her.

re: #83 Sharmuta

Except she's not a conservative.

Yes--she's a better person to knock around.

I don't care what someone believes as long as she doesn't try to force me or mine to believe the same thing.

re: #83 Sharmuta

Except she's not a conservative.

I think too much interest in interfering with what other people do is not, strictly, a conservative value.

re: #89 jonik

The way the McCain campaign was going, they were grasping at straws. The conservatives SoCons in the GOP hate McCain; so he had to do something. I still think they misused her.

FTFY.

re: #73 reine.de.tout

OK ...

Can't stand either major party? Pffiibbittth?™ Then check out the Modern Whig Party !

Here is a video too:

re: #52 davinvalkri

The only reason people think Batman is gay is because of Robin. The current Batman continuities (both the Dark Knight movie sets and the cartoon Batman: The Brave and the Bold) don't have Batman. Therefore your charge is currently unfounded (fangirl imaginations nonwithstanding).

Sorry. Quote from a hilarious website called Superdickery. Old comic book panels, demonstrating that 'Superman is a dick'.

They also have some non-Superman stuff, which includes some rather disturbing Batman-and-Robin images. Read the site. It is LOL funny.

re: #85 reine.de.tout

's OK. That was a long post coming from an iPhone!

haha yeah it's easier than you'd probly think...except the auto spell check thing can be way over zealous.

re: #93 Varek Raith

Theo-cons. Theo-cons...

re: #83 Sharmuta

Except she's not a conservative.

Good luck telling her that.

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure that was the only reason. He's the father of her first grandchild, and she probably did want him to grow into a suitable husband for her daughter (whom she does genuinely love). The main failure of the breakdown between him and the Palin family rests with him.

Nonsense. Everybody could see what he was the instant he became known to the public. Remember his Facebook page (or was it MySpace)? "I'm a fuckin' redneck!"

You don't grow suitable husbands out of muck.

re: #97 Sharmuta

Theo-cons. Theo-cons...

Roger that.

re: #98 freetoken

Good luck telling her that.

Good luck telling ANY of them that. But it's true, so I'm going to keep saying it.

re: #96 rollwave87

haha yeah it's easier than you'd probly think...except the auto spell check thing can be way over zealous.

yeah, I've got one - LGF is really slow on it, though. I rarely log in from my iPhone, much less try to post something!

re: #91 MandyManners

I don't care what someone believes as long as she doesn't try to force me or mine to believe the same thing.

The problem is that if she gains national momentum, many of her base will try to get her to require high schools to give their anti-science views equal time.

re: #63 jdog29

I believe Mitt Romney's magic underwear would be the dream opponent of whom you speak.

Mitt's underwear is going to run for office without Mitt in it?

We may be working another no-true-conservative fallacy, but still...

re: #61 jonik

The way Obama is going, I think the GOP could run anybody and win back the presidency. He is fading fast

You want to lay money on that prediction?

re: #87 BryanS

Only some minor candidates at the moment, we are building up from the ground, and slowly.

More solid that way.

re: #106 Cato the Elder

Polls don't lie, he needs to do something to win back the undecideds

re: #72 jaunte

I agree. I was hopeful at first, and then reality intruded like a bad blind date.

Me too. I was into her for a bit.

re: #84 Gus 802

Not very good. But I'm dealing with the reality I see now regarding Palin. I voted for McCain/Palin but that still doesn't mean I can't criticize her now. One could argue that we are in the situation we are in now and that McCain lost by losing the independent because of Palin. Regardless, whether or not I see Obama as a failure does not mean I see Palin as the better alternative at this point.

I'll give you a clue...it doesn't matter what you think of Palin, or BO for that matter...posting here about their failures as politicians does not make one damned bit of difference to your ability to make and save money...that is your salvation, not your slick backhands at Palin and her buffoonery, or Beck, or Rush or any of them...they have their world and the only effect you have on it is if you tune in or buy the book or whatever...being conservative, to me means taking care of myself, not writing hundreds of posts about how stupid Sarah Palin is...

re: #89 jonik

The way the McCain campaign was going, they were grasping at straws. The conservatives in the GOP hate McCain; so he had to do something. I still think they misused her.

Choosing Palin was of course to attract and energize the so-con base. That was effective however the hatred of McCain by the so-cons remained. Had McCain remained true to his principles he would have run a more effective campaign. Now, that still would have guaranteed success because the writing was already on the wall for a Democratic party win in my opinion. If they misused her most of that information will amount to gossip which is now becoming apparent to the former McCain camp. If that's the case then she shares a lot of personality traits with Levi Johnston.

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that if she gains national momentum, many of her base will try to get her to require high schools to give their anti-science views equal time.

And, they'll face unimaginable resistance.

But, hey! It'll make a lot of lawyers rich!

re: #75 Cato the Elder

If Sarah Palin cared for her daughter one thirtieth as much as she cares about power, she would never have encouraged Bristol to marry Levi Johnston. It was all about politics and putting on a show for the SoCons.

I hope it was understood all along that the wedding was not going to happen.

re: #108 jonik

Polls don't lie, he needs to do something to win back the undecideds

True, but that doesn't mean they'll go to the Republicans. Especially if they insist on hunting RINOs.

re: #105 jaunte

We may be working another no-true-conservative fallacy, but still...

I have here my Conservative Bible, The Conscience of a Conservative, and the Prophet Barry Goldwater says we should teach our children science. Those who disagree may be on the right of the political spectrum, but they've taken a name that does not belong to them.

I think, perhaps, we should call them the RINOs, since they don't believe in the Republic, but rather wish to impose another form of government entirely.

/I can dream, can't I?

re: #76 BryanS

She's someone they love to hate. They want her to be the straw man for every conservative, to paint all conservatives to be as batty as her.

Nah. I know most conservatives are nowhere near that crazy.

But the ones that act normal are no fun.

re: #102 reine.de.tout

yeah, I've got one - LGF is really slow on it, though. I rarely log in from my iPhone, much less try to post something!

well right now I'm connected to wifi so it's easier. although I have this one really boring class I read LGF from sometimes where I just put up with the 3G. cuz it's still alot more interesting than what the prof is saying...

re: #110 albusteve

I'll give you a clue...it doesn't matter what you think of Palin, or BO for that matter...posting here about their failures as politicians does not make one damned bit of difference to your ability to make and save money...that is your salvation, not your slick backhands at Palin and her buffoonery, or Beck, or Rush or any of them...they have their world and the only effect you have on it is if you tune in or buy the book or whatever...being conservative, to me means taking care of myself, not writing hundreds of posts about how stupid Sarah Palin is...

If that's the case than I must be in the wrong blog tonight. If it really doesn't matter what I think then why are you pressing this issue with me?

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Nonsense. Everybody could see what he was the instant he became known to the public. Remember his Facebook page (or was it MySpace)? "I'm a fuckin' redneck!"

You don't grow suitable husbands out of muck.

Perhaps she thought he might not prove to be muck. Some men do grow up when faced with fatherhood. The desire to do right can win out over immaturity. I know you despise her Cato, but I genuinely believe that her actions vis-a-vis her daughter's pregnancy were not cynical. Sarah and Bristol Palin tried to make a decent man out of Levi Johnson, but he decided to stay an asshole. And his failure left everyone worse off.

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope it was understood all along that the wedding was not going to happen.

So much the worse. She put Bristol through a fake engagement for the sake of appearances? That's ripe for a sequel to "Mommy Dearest"...

re: #114 Varek Raith
Good point. The conservatives are intent on "purging" their party. I think it will only split the party more.

re: #115 Sharmuta

I think, perhaps, we should call them the RINOs, since they don't believe in the Republic, but rather wish to impose another form of government entirely.

Maybe just Theos, and leave the conservative. That seems to be what's driving their bus, anyway.

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah. I know most conservatives are nowhere near that crazy.

But the ones that act normal are no fun.

Palin is like a train wreck--it's hard at times not to stare.

re: #63 jdog29

I believe Mitt Romney's magic underwear would be the dream opponent of whom you speak.

One of the most small minded statements I've read in a while.

The thing about Palin conservatives as I'll call them here is they like to talk about how they want the government out of people's lives yet they are always the first to strongly support banning gay marriage on a national level or they are the ones who support banning certain books from schools. I am obviously not talking about all conservatives here. There are many conservatives who I feel still do take the "keep the government out of our lives" principle to everything not just the economy. The problem however is the SoCons are more vocal in the Republican Party. It's too bad. A guy like Barry Goldwater would have been too conservative for me economically honestly but damnit at least guys like him did sincerely value keeping the government out of people's private lives.

re: #120 Cato the Elder

So much the worse. She put Bristol through a fake engagement for the sake of appearances? That's ripe for a sequel to "Mommy Dearest"...

again, how the hell do you know this? you know it's possible for two teenagers to break up right?

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Mitt's underwear is going to run for office without Mitt in it?

I don't know, but I keep hearing about magic underwear whenever Mitt's name comes up. I sincerely pray that I won't be forcefed THAT educational information 24/7 for 3 weeks, instead give me another heapin' helpin' o' Palin, Tina Fey, lipstick on a pig, star spangled bikini photoshop, shootin' wolves from helicopters, Levi Johnston..., hmmm, well, uh, maybe I'm ready to hear about the magic underwear afterall. :-D

Has anyone considered that maybe the person who needed to come to the realization that Levi Johnston was not going to grow up was Bristol?

I'm just speculating here, but we all are. Bristol may have taken a bit to have the scales fall from her eyes. It works that way sometimes.

re: #125 HappyWarrior

The thing about Palin conservatives as I'll call them here is they like to talk about how they want the government out of people's lives yet they are always the first to strongly support banning gay marriage on a national level or they are the ones who support banning certain books from schools. I am obviously not talking about all conservatives here. There are many conservatives who I feel still do take the "keep the government out of our lives" principle to everything not just the economy. The problem however is the SoCons are more vocal in the Republican Party. It's too bad. A guy like Barry Goldwater would have been too conservative for me economically honestly but damnit at least guys like him did sincerely value keeping the government out of people's private lives.

CONSERVATIVES want the government out of our lives.

Others on the right who disagree are not conservatives.

All I have to do is re-watch the video of Tina Fey and Amy Pholer doing the Couric interview - ver batim Sarah's words and I'm insulted all over again that McCain chose her to be the VP candidate.

re: #123 BryanS

If she is a train wreck she takes the rabid leftists with her in their completely irrational hatred of her.

re: #131 Ojoe

If she is a train wreck she takes the rabid leftists with her in their completely irrational hatred of her.

if only that were how it worked...

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps she thought he might not prove to be muck. Some men do grow up when faced with fatherhood. The desire to do right can win out over immaturity. I know you despise her Cato, but I genuinely believe that her actions vis-a-vis her daughter's pregnancy were not cynical. Sarah and Bristol Palin tried to make a decent man out of Levi Johnson, but he decided to stay an asshole. And his failure left everyone worse off.

Oh, please. If she hadn't been in the spotlight, her love for Bristol might have shown itself in saying, "Honey, you made a mistake. Don't compound it by hitching your wagon to this loser. We'll support you and the baby until you find someone with a big head to match the little one." That's what any loving mother would do when Levi showed up at the door.

Her willingness to use Trig to make her mendacious "death panels" argument leads me to believe she'd sell husband and children to the devil for a shot at real power.

Well good night to the rational lizards, which is almost all of them I think.

re: #118 Gus 802

If that's the case than I must be in the wrong blog tonight. If it really doesn't matter what I think then why are you pressing this issue with me?

keep posting, like I've said before, there is an entertainment factor for me...and don't forget to vote!...this obsession with Palin or the right in general is amusing, yes the blogs are significant for exposing them for what they are but then what?...nobody really knows do they?...my best guess is that no matter who's in office, left pr right, you are gonna get fucked over...look out for yourself, it's all you can do

She is right, we are not evolved from monkeys. However we do have a common ancestor

re: #129 Sharmuta

CONSERVATIVES want the government out of our lives.

Others on the right who disagree are not conservatives.

No real argument here. The thing is they ironically call people who are truly conservative on personal life issues RINOs and they unfortunately seem to dominate. I look at a guy like Gerald Ford who in his 90's was supporting the right to abortion and gay rights and think that it's a shame that a guy with those positions is called a RINO by many "conservatives."

re: #124 FullRoller

One of the most small minded statements I've read in a while.

If Mitt Romney is nominated we'll get a course on the history of the Mormon church that VERY FEW will want to learn. I know I won't. This was what I was refering.

re: #137 HappyWarrior

No real argument here. The thing is they ironically call people who are truly conservative on personal life issues RINOs and they unfortunately seem to dominate. I look at a guy like Gerald Ford who in his 90's was supporting the right to abortion and gay rights and think that it's a shame that a guy with those positions is called a RINO by many "conservatives."

Goldwater even said to Dole they were the new liberals of the GOP.

re: #131 Ojoe

If she is a train wreck she takes the rabid leftists with her in their completely irrational hatred of her.

This is true. For rational thinking people, the obsession by the media and their desire to make her a conservative strawman speaks volumes about those who cover her.

re: #136 ManitobaRat

She is right, we are not evolved from monkeys. However we do have a common ancestor

Yes...Adam & Eve!

/

re: #130 Stanley Sea

I would like to see the whole interview. Palin claims a lot of it was cut and the parts that were cut showed her in a more favorable light. What I saw did not impress me, she didn't seem to be VP material. However, given the MSM's tilt towards Obama especially the TV channels I would like to see if they did a chop job on her

re: #127 jdog29

I don't know, but I keep hearing about magic underwear whenever Mitt's name comes up. I sincerely pray that I won't be forcefed THAT educational information 24/7 for 3 weeks, instead give me another heapin' helpin' o' Palin, Tina Fey, lipstick on a pig, star spangled bikini photoshop, shootin' wolves from helicopters, Levi Johnston..., hmmm, well, uh, maybe I'm ready to hear about the magic underwear afterall. :-D

I don't know what the big deal is. Many/most bservant Mormons wear the garments. Mitt may, or may not. I do not know. There is no reason for me to see Mitt's underwear, or care if he wears garments or not.

How can this possibly be of political concern to anyone? I have no idea what kind of underwear any previous presidential candidate wore, and I don't plan to find out.

Gee, think she would follow NCSE recommendations for high school textbooks?

re: #138 jdog29

If Mitt Romney is nominated we'll get a course on the history of the Mormon church that VERY FEW will want to learn. I know I won't. This was what I was refering.

I agree. Also the rantings of Birch Society Mormon Glenn Beck certainly isn't going to help things. I have no issue with Mitt but I don't think he's electable.

re: #131 Ojoe

If she is a train wreck she takes the rabid leftists with her in their completely irrational hatred of her.

Hardly. They are standing off to the side watching her crash and burn. The one's she takes with her are the people she supports in place of moderate Republicans.

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Oh, please. If she hadn't been in the spotlight, her love for Bristol might have shown itself in saying, "Honey, you made a mistake. Don't compound it by hitching your wagon to this loser. We'll support you and the baby until you find someone with a big head to match the little one." That's what any loving mother would do when Levi showed up at the door.

Her willingness to use Trig to make her mendacious "death panels" argument leads me to believe she'd sell husband and children to the devil for a shot at real power.

Agreed on the sentiment in the second paragraph. But the first--it is what she and her husband ended up doing. Maybe she thought her daughter and this Levi guy could go through the same process?

re: #146 Cato the Elder

And they're not just watching Palin and her borg following crash and burn. In their (the leftists) eyes, it's the GOP itself that is imploding.

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what the big deal is. Many/most bservant Mormons wear the garments. Mitt may, or may not. I do not know. There is no reason for me to see Mitt's underwear, or care if he wears garments or not.

How can this possibly be of political concern to anyone? I have no idea what kind of underwear any previous presidential candidate wore, and I don't plan to find out.

Where have you been? The "boxers vs. briefs" question has been part of the standard media scrutiny at least since Clinton. Mitt will have to say, "Uh, neither, actually. See, I've got this protective stuff on me. Wanna look?"

LOL.

re: #148 eclectic infidel

And they're not just watching Palin and her borg following crash and burn. In their (the leftists) eyes, it's the GOP itself that is imploding.

And they may well be right.

On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

-Barry Goldwater

re: #135 albusteve

keep posting, like I've said before, there is an entertainment factor for me...and don't forget to vote!...this obsession with Palin or the right in general is amusing, yes the blogs are significant for exposing them for what they are but then what?...nobody really knows do they?...my best guess is that no matter who's in office, left pr right, you are gonna get fucked over...look out for yourself, it's all you can do

Well, I agree with you that regardless of whether the left or the right is elected some of us will effectively be "fucked over." There is also a personal entertainment factor with what I post here regarding Palin and the reality is that I am not obsessed with her and think about her on any given day.

re: #149 Cato the Elder

Where have you been? The "boxers vs. briefs" question has been part of the standard media scrutiny at least since Clinton. Mitt will have to say, "Uh, neither, actually. See, I've got this protective stuff on me. Wanna look?"

LOL.

Let me just make this as clear as I can: I don't want to see any presidential candidate in his/her underwear, unless Heidi Klum emerges as the GOP candidate. (Good family values, and she's tall.) Or Denzel Washington.

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Oh, please. If she hadn't been in the spotlight, her love for Bristol might have shown itself in saying, "Honey, you made a mistake. Don't compound it by hitching your wagon to this loser. We'll support you and the baby until you find someone with a big head to match the little one." That's what any loving mother would do when Levi showed up at the door.

Her willingness to use Trig to make her mendacious "death panels" argument leads me to believe she'd sell husband and children to the devil for a shot at real power.

I'm sorry Cato, but I cannot agree. I just do not see her as that cynical. She comes across to me as often foolish, but sincere and decent. I don't want her to hold power, but I don't think she's a bad person. I see her as blind instead malevolent.

re: #139 Sharmuta

Goldwater even said to Dole they were the new liberals of the GOP.

so true...being conservative to me is thinking I am, comfortable that I'm right, believing in what I can do, and acting out following my principles...I don't need to talk it to death, or feel doomed because some politician loses an election...it's who I am, it's what I am...superstar talkers and pols have nothing to do with what I am or what I intend to accomplish with my life...I will get it done is spite of BO or Palin or the rest of them...what I know is in my heart, I didn't discover it from a TV show or need what I am to be reinforced by some fucking Senator or Rep or whoever...there is a huge world of opportunity and fun out there...BO or Palin do not control my present or my future...only I do

i could care less if she does not believe evolution -- does she think non-science should be taught in science class?

that is really the issue.

Oh my God, I looked up "magic underwear".

Thanks LGF!

re: #151 Sharmuta

It's been a while since we had those principles in charge of the Republican party. It's too bad we don't have a Goldwater like figure in the party today. Reagan's personal religiosity was used as an excuse by the social conservatives to claim disproportionate credit for Republican success. Social conservatives do more harm than good--just look at the big government conservatism of Bush Jr.

re: #139 Sharmuta

Goldwater even said to Dole they were the new liberals of the GOP.

Yep I know that story. The thing that always amazed me about Goldwater was how open minded on gays he was for a man of his generation. I believe the quote I always heard attributed to him was that the only thing that matters is that they can shoot straight regarding the debate on gays in the military.

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Oh my God, I looked up "magic underwear".

Thanks LGF!

It's kind of like all those plots to the Gilligan's Island reruns that you wish you didn't know.

Enough with Sarah Palin. Lets discuss more important issues.

Researchers create working penises for rabbits from cells

If scientists can help Peter Cottontail get an erection, there may be hope for the other flaccid Peters of the world.

Researchers at Wake Forest University in North Carolina have grown functional rabbit penises that allow male rabbits to mate, ejaculate and procreate. The results of their experiment were published in the latest issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

re: #159 HappyWarrior

You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.

-Barry Goldwater

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Enough with Sarah Palin. Lets discuss more important issues.

remember the one where they ate the sunflower seeds and could read each other's thoughts.

re: #156 keithgabryelski

i could care less if she does not believe evolution...

Over the recent past I've changed my mind on this issue. I am now convinced that someone's thoughts on this issue is indeed an insight into much of their thinking and gives a relevant data point about their decision making process.

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry Cato, but I cannot agree. I just do not see her as that cynical. She comes across to me as often foolish, but sincere and decent. I don't want her to hold power, but I don't think she's a bad person. I see her as blind instead malevolent.

Well, maybe I'm just a little biased, since she made Levi cut off his mullet before the convention. Stick a redneck in a suit, teach him a couple of words of more than one syllable, coach him on how to sit and stand and shake hands with John McCain - but don't mess with his chosen hairstyle. That's just low!

re: #136 ManitobaRat

She is right, we are not evolved from monkeys. However we do have a common ancestor

That argument is a bit disingenuous since that common ancestor would be called a "monkey" by just about anybody, especially a biologist. Of course, this whole argument is lost on Creationists, who already argue about whether various purported human ancestor fossils are human or not, thus wrecking their own case.

"It's human" "No, it's an ape." "Where are the missing links?"

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Yep I know that story. The thing that always amazed me about Goldwater was how open minded on gays he was for a man of his generation. I believe the quote I always heard attributed to him was that the only thing that matters is that they can shoot straight regarding the debate on gays in the military.

And he was caricatured as bat-shit crazy by the left of the time. Great thing LBJ won instead, huh? /

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Enough with Sarah Palin. Lets discuss more important issues.

remember the one where Mary Ann hit her head and thought she was Ginger.

re: #162 Sharmuta

You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.

-Barry Goldwater

can you imagine Goldwater doing some news show interview today?...ahaha!...Chris Mathews? hahaha!...Goldwater would rage across TV land and nobody would even know what the hell hit'em

re: #168 jdog29

remember the one where Mary Ann hit her head and thought she was Ginger.

Gilligan should have nailed Mary Ann.

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Yep I know that story. The thing that always amazed me about Goldwater was how open minded on gays he was for a man of his generation. I believe the quote I always heard attributed to him was that the only thing that matters is that they can shoot straight regarding the debate on gays in the military.

Not only for his generation. Can you imagine if a leading Republican were to say that now? A remarkable man in many ways.

re: #165 Cato the Elder

Well, maybe I'm just a little biased, since she made Levi cut off his mullet before the convention. Stick a redneck in a suit, teach him a couple of words of more than one syllable, coach him on how to sit and stand and shake hands with John McCain - but don't mess with his chosen hairstyle. That's just low!

it's like dope isn't it?...you have to have it no matter what it does to you

Did someone say "magic underwear"? This oughta' wave your wand.

re: #160 jdog29

It's kind of like all those plots to the Gilligan's Island reruns that you wish you didn't know.

I should worry, I should care,
About the president's underwear?

re: #173 MandyManners
Take pity on us poor muggles.

And from the Onion--Deports Lou Dobbs.

re: #173 MandyManners

Did someone say "magic underwear"? This oughta' wave your wand.

You've got good taste, Mandy.

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of rabbits, here's something about bunnies!

Bunnies Burned to Keep You Warm!

The bodies of thousands of rabbits culled every year from the parks in Stockholm’s Kungsholmen neighbourhood are being used to fuel a heating plant in central Sweden.

The decision to use Stockholm’s rabbit cadavers as bioenergy to warm Swedes living in Värmland doesn't sit well with Stockholm-based animal rights activists.

“Those who support the culling of rabbits surely think it’s good to use the bodies for a good cause. But it feels like they’re trying to turn the animals into an industry rather than look at the main problem,” Anna Johannesson of Vilda kaniners värn (‘Society for the Protection of Wild Rabbits’) told the local Vårt Kungsholmen newspaper.

re: #165 Cato the Elder

Well, maybe I'm just a little biased, since she made Levi cut off his mullet before the convention. Stick a redneck in a suit, teach him a couple of words of more than one syllable, coach him on how to sit and stand and shake hands with John McCain - but don't mess with his chosen hairstyle. That's just low!

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

And from the Onion--Deports Lou Dobbs.

"Acting on anonymous tips from within the Hispanic-American community, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials on Wednesday deported Luis Miguel Salvador Aguila Dominguez, who for the last 48 years had been living illegally in the United States under the name Lou Dobbs."

Ha! Another fine story by The Onion.

re: #173 MandyManners

Did someone say "magic underwear"? This oughta' wave your wand.

Yow

Wow - what a news organization. Here's a memo released from the Daughter of Rev. Moon re: the Washington Times events:

...This type of behavior is unprecedented in our movement. It must be made clear that what took place at the Washington Times is contrary to the advice and guidance from our True Father.

True Parents are heartbroken and dismayed over what has happened, especially in light of the fact that they have been guiding our movement worldwide, over the last several months, specifically to remain united with their spiritual leadership.

Some recent press articles this past week have incorrectly tried to characterize the situation around the Washington Times takeover as a 'feud between two brothers' (specifically between Hyun Jin Nim and Hyung Jin Nim). These statements are perhaps purposefully misleading. The real issue here is unity with True Parents' spiritual leadership...

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re: #173 MandyManners

Did someone say "magic underwear"? This oughta' wave your wand.

Mandy, is that you?

re: #178 eclectic infidel

Speaking of rabbits, here's something about bunnies!

Bunnies Burned to Keep You Warm!

Heh. Almost has a Modest Proposal feel to the story. Cute little bunnies is about as close as you could get.

re: #63 jdog29

I believe Mitt Romney's magic underwear would be the dream opponent of whom you speak.

statements like this really cause me some cognitive dissonance.

one the hand, I see them as religious bigotry, and the egalitarian in me says I should condemn them just as I would a statement that were anti-Semetic. also, the decent person in me has known many nice, totally normal LDS followers and I don't think they deserve to see their faith disparaged.

on the other hand, the group which the statement disparages is currently spending millions of dollars in states across the country trying to make it so that I will never be able to get married (unless I wake up one morning transformed into a heterosexual). so should I really even care if Mormons have to take some sh*t? I dunno. dilemma.

re: #178 eclectic infidel

Can't tell from the story what Anna Johannesson wants them to do with the bunnies. Hamster(bunny)-wheel electricity generation?

re: #184 BryanS

Heh. Almost has a Modest Proposal feel to the story. Cute little bunnies is about as close as you could get.

Cute little bunnies! Cute little bunnies!

The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch wasn't powerful enough to get rid of it.

It just wants you to think it's cute.

re: #186 jaunte

It's common for people to object to something without having a viable alternative to offer. I've noticed this about some activist groups.

re: #185 rollwave87

Here's a related dilemma. Monday I have to 'persuade' a Mormon employee to be civil to an ex-Mormon gay employee. I might just hand him the employee manual where the suggestion is clearly indicated.

re: #185 rollwave87

It's pretty easy--wrong is wrong. Not only is obsessing with Romney's undergarments stupid, if it is due to his Mormon religion, it's bigoted. Hating back isn't a good way to deal with one group's perceived hatred. What's more relevant is Romney's stated positions on the issues you care about. Not 100% sure, but I'm guessing he's on the wrong side. For that, he would deserve criticism.

Washington's Gift to European Biotech

European researchers are on the cusp of overtaking their American counterparts in biotechnology innovation, especially when it comes to the development of cutting-edge medicines known as "biologics." These medicines are grown in living cells and consist of molecules thousands of times bigger than those in conventional drugs.

In 2004, European biotech firms had access to only 20% of the private equity financing that U.S. firms had. Today the European Union has just about as many dedicated biotechnology firms as the U.S., according to OECD figures.

Yet just as the European biotech industry's substantial investments in research and development—about a third of revenues in recent years—is beginning to pay off, U.S. policy makers are considering legislation that would hamstring biotech research in their own country. This would provide a welcome boost to Europe's biopharmaceutical sector but hurt the U.S. industry and overall scientific progress.

A bill currently before the U.S. Congress would allow drug companies to make knock-off versions of biologics much sooner than in Europe. To shepherd these advanced drugs from the research lab to a patient's bedside over the course of a decade can cost more than $1.2 billion. To encourage this sort of expensive R&D, companies are typically allowed to keep their research data private for a set amount of time.

Only after this "data exclusivity period" has passed can copycat drug makers use an innovator's research data to make biosimilars. Firms manufacturing such knock-offs have of course much lower costs than the innovators because they don't have to spend billions on drug discovery and development.

Without a significant exclusivity period, however, biotech companies won't have enough time to recoup the huge sums they have invested. Instead, they'd immediately have to compete with biosimilars, which are less expensive than the brand-name biologics but have much the same medicinal effect.

re: #189 jaunte

Here's a related dilemma. Monday I have to 'persuade' a Mormon employee to be civil to an ex-Mormon gay employee. I might just hand him the employee manual where the suggestion is clearly indicated.

Why do you have to "persuade" them? If they can't be civil, they can't work there--that's how I'd deal with anyone, regardless of who or what they were.

re: #178 eclectic infidel

Speaking of rabbits, here's something about bunnies!

Bunnies Burned to Keep You Warm!

That's something of a pity. Rabbits can be good eating. Just ask Jeff.

re: #185 rollwave87

statements like this really cause me some cognitive dissonance.

one the hand, I see them as religious bigotry, and the egalitarian in me says I should condemn them just as I would a statement that were anti-Semetic. also, the decent person in me has known many nice, totally normal LDS followers and I don't think they deserve to see their faith disparaged.

on the other hand, the group which the statement disparages is currently spending millions of dollars in states across the country trying to make it so that I will never be able to get married (unless I wake up one morning transformed into a heterosexual). so should I really even care if Mormons have to take some sh*t? I dunno. dilemma.

I see it as I see issues with Islam. I will respond to an attack, or an attitude of attack on my and mine, my faith and my political system. I won't be hostile to, or encourage hostility toward, religious practices that don't harm me.

The LDS leadership's involvement in Prop 8, I oppose. The nice young missionaries I barely tolerate. The underwear causes me not a moment's trouble, nor anyone else who doesn't choose to wear it, and I see no reason to approve of snide comments about it. Same as a woman wearing a head scarf.

That's my take.

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re: #190 BryanS

It's pretty easy--wrong is wrong. Not only is obsessing with Romney's undergarments stupid, if it is due to his Mormon religion, it's bigoted. Hating back isn't a good way to deal with one group's perceived hatred. What's more relevant is Romney's stated positions on the issues you care about. Not 100% sure, but I'm guessing he's on the wrong side. For that, he would deserve criticism.

well, that's a sore subject, because Mitt Romney initially came out in favor of marriage equality than changed his mind when he actually had to risk his career to support it.

that being said, you're right...it's sticking up for what's right when its not easy that it actually counts, I guess...

re: #192 BryanS

"Persuade" = Euphemism. But it's a creative business, and you can't get people's best efforts if they pout.

re: #130 Stanley Sea

All I have to do is re-watch the video of Tina Fey and Amy Pholer doing the Couric interview - ver batim Sarah's words and I'm insulted all over again that McCain chose her to be the VP candidate.

I was insulted the moment they announced her as the VP candidate. At that point, I knew that McCain had utterly sold out any and all principles he may have had in a nakedly cynical, desperate move.

No one will ever convince me that Sarah Palin was a credible VP candidate at all in the weeks and months leading to the GOP convention. She was an obvious last minute, blind choice just to make headlines in the immediate aftermath of Obama's convention speech. That's it. She was a short-term novelty and a way to get media attention, but she had nothing of substance to offer in the long-term, which just killed McCain.

Had McCain gone with, say, Romney as his VP, there would have been no disastrous Couric and Gibson interviews. There would have been no campaign "suspension" in light of the financial crisis, since Mittens would've been able to go on every newscast and talk radio show known to man in order to make some sort of coherent argument for their position. Instead, McCain's campaign was saddled with a VP candidate that had to be sheltered and coddled, which is always a recipe for disaster.

The lesson of 2008 for the GOP isn't that they weren't conservative enough. It's that they were stupidly, blatantly desperate and un-serious in their VP choice, and voters didn't like that. I don't think people hated Sarah Palin. They just thought she was a joke who shouldn't be let anywhere near the nuke codes, and they voted accordingly.

re: #189 jaunte

Here's a related dilemma. Monday I have to 'persuade' a Mormon employee to be civil to an ex-Mormon gay employee. I might just hand him the employee manual where the suggestion is clearly indicated.

I take it you have reason to believe he's going to have problems?

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry. Quote from a hilarious website called Superdickery. Old comic book panels, demonstrating that 'Superman is a dick'.

They also have some non-Superman stuff, which includes some rather disturbing Batman-and-Robin images. Read the site. It is LOL funny.

Just on this strength of this post, SFZ, I went over to Superdickery and checked it out...

I'm ROFLMAO'ing here...Superman (and Lois and Lana and Jimmy and even more) were all dicks or bitches, but Superman was apparently really good at it.

/hail to the king, baby... ;-P

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

That's something of a pity. Rabbits can be good eating. Just ask Jeff.

I had rabbit at the King's Arms Tavern in Colonial Williamsburg. :)

re: #189 jaunte

Here's a related dilemma. Monday I have to 'persuade' a Mormon employee to be civil to an ex-Mormon gay employee. I might just hand him the employee manual where the suggestion is clearly indicated.

haha. just handle it like you're Toby from The Office...

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

It's just someone I have to 'whack' regularly.

re: #196 rollwave87

well, that's a sore subject, because Mitt Romney initially came out in favor of marriage equality than changed his mind when he actually had to risk his career to support it.

that being said, you're right...it's sticking up for what's right when its not easy that it actually counts, I guess...

That should say all you need about his character. He took the positions he needed to be governor of a liberal state, and then took positions he needed to appease the intolerant social conservatives. For that, he should never be allowed to be president. I've personally never trusted the guy--he comes across phony and fake.

re: #200 talon_262

Just on this strength of this post, SFZ, I went over to Superdickery and checked it out...

I'm ROFLMAO'ing here...Superman (and Lois and Lana and Jimmy and even more) were all dicks or bitches, but Superman was apparently really good at it.

/hail to the king, baby... ;-P

Isn't it incredibly fun?

re: #200 talon_262

Just on this strength of this post, SFZ, I went over to Superdickery and checked it out...

I'm ROFLMAO'ing here...Superman (and Lois and Lana and Jimmy and even more) were all dicks or bitches, but Superman was apparently really good at it.

/hail to the king, baby... ;-P

"He always looks so happy when he's killing her..."

re: #197 jaunte

"Persuade" = Euphemism. But it's a creative business, and you can't get people's best efforts if they pout.

Ahhh...but can you get good results from the person being hated on if you don't hold a firm position? I'm guessing not, and it's probably a good reason you're dealing with it now.

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't it incredibly fun?

The people over at DC (especially) must have been all twisted sadists... ;-P

re: #204 BryanS

well said. if we're talking Mormon politicians , my pick (by a long shot) is former Utah Gov. John Huntsman. Obama recognized his potential and sent him packing to China...If he were to run I think he'd have an amazingly good chance at the White House.

re: #209 rollwave87

I ♥ Huntsman!

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

I had rabbit at the King's Arms Tavern in Colonial Williamsburg. :)

When I did a study abroad semester in Ireland, I shared a campus apartment with a woman from Belgium. Her parents were convinced that there was no decent food in Ireland, so they flew out from Belgium one weekend, with supplies. I woke up Sunday morning to find them fixing rabbit stew in the kitchen.

They invited me to join them. I explained that in my part of the U.S., rabbits were pets, but gratefully accepted two cups of the first good coffee I'd had since leaving California.

Huntsman/Grahan 2016!

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that site. I'm a cat person and as i sit here and type this out, my girl kitty, Mila lounges on me with a deep purr.

re: #2 Varek Raith

Shocka!

hey that's my line

This must mean that POTUS thinks he's being gifted with a Chinese mirror...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Jeff rules!

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

That's something of a pity. Rabbits can be good eating. Just ask Jeff.

umm, ok. wow. more dissonance lol. I love cats, too, and I know that stuff is all just nature, but its hard not to wince for the poor rabbit.

Pepero Day, or Garaeddeok Day?

re: #213 eclectic infidel

Thank you for that site. I'm a cat person and as i sit here and type this out, my girl kitty, Mila lounges on me with a deep purr.

Glad to help. I find those photo good for whenever someone waxes poetic about how cute cats. The site reminds me that nice as cats may be their owners, they are death to the things they hunt. Here's another good article on a similar theme:

Killing Field by Steven Malanga

re: #209 rollwave87

well said. if we're talking Mormon politicians , my pick (by a long shot) is former Utah Gov. John Huntsman. Obama recognized his potential and sent him packing to China...If he were to run I think he'd have an amazingly good chance at the White House.

Looking at his brief bio on wikipedia, I think he's someone I could support.

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Jeff has a new site: [Link: jeffthegiantorangecat.com...]

re: #220 BryanS

Looking at his brief bio on wikipedia, I think he's someone I could support.

Huntsman is the Man! Doesn't support ID, does support gay marriage, tax cutter, and pro-business. What's not to love?

re: #221 eclectic infidel
Tell Toonces that Thumper is off limits.//

Five goals of Palin book tour according to Politico:

*Reconnect with her base
*Payback
*Stick it to the media
*Send a message to the establishment
*Burnish her image as a serious figure

Good luck with the last one!

The former Alaska governor has taken steps of late to show more sophisticated policy credentials, writing op-eds and detailed criticisms of the House and Senate health care bills on her Facebook page.

The anti-evolutionary bigotry will help her "reconnect" with--or rather fire up--her base(when was she disconnected anyway), but its not going to help her recreate her image as a serious thinking human.

It's really amazing that in this day, in this part of the most educated part of the world, three-fourths of the citizenry--holding down jobs, having families, driving cars, paying bills, mowing lawns, even inventing better mops and mousetraps--believe in a personal God, and the physical existence of The Devil, and many of those believe "the theory of evolution" is just a "theory" (not comprehending the word has a different meaning in science, than it does in the non-scientifically trained world), and that the planet Earth is only 6000 years old, and humans walked with the dinosaurs!

You'd think (hope? expect?) that after hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution between the ears -- inventing writing, inventing religion, inventing philosophy, art, science, math and all the rest -- that most people by now, everywhere, would be able to distinguish fantasy from reality, rather than actually believing that arguing over the meaning and shades of meaning and "my interpretations of those shades of meanings" of words, is an example of "being intelligent".

This only goes to show you, how silly some humans can be--"thick" is another word that comes to mind, "dumb" is another, suggesting that the "ability to argue" on facebook or write a self-serving book (/get it ghostwritten) is proof of intelligence.

re: #217 rollwave87

umm, ok. wow. more dissonance lol. I love cats, too, and I know that stuff is all just nature, but its hard not to wince for the poor rabbit.

I understand. Just remember: You're more like the cat than the rabbit. So are all people. We may feel for the rabbit, but we will always be closer to the cat.

re: #222 Sharmuta

Huntsman is the Man! Doesn't support ID, does support gay marriage, tax cutter, and pro-business. What's not to love?

I think technically he's for civil unions, not marriage, but compared to the rest of the cro-magnon crowd dominating the GOP right now, I'll take it. but yeah, I think he has the winning (and correct) formula down.

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Enough with Sarah Palin. Lets discuss more important issues.

Researchers create working penises for rabbits from cells

South Park did an episode about that, but they grew penises on mice.

Mr. Garrison's penis mouse escaped from the lab.

It was the Best South Park ever!

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

I understand. Just remember: You're more like the cat than the rabbit. So are all people. We may feel for the rabbit, but we will always be closer to the cat.

yeah, I know. Parker, my cat, definitely loves his dry food (as evidenced by his like 16 pound weight) but sometimes I wonder if he doesn't feel cheated. and then I wonder why Im psychoanalyzing my freakin cat. lol.

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

I understand. Just remember: You're more like the cat than the rabbit. So are all people. We may feel for the rabbit, but we will always be closer to the cat.

I'm starting a site called "what Jeff bought at the mega market which was wrapped in plastic and Styrofoam and was raised in a concrete bunker while being injected with growth hormones - dot- com"

Good night all. Morning comes too soon.

“We learn geology the morning after the earthquake”
-- R. W. Emerson

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

"He always looks so happy when he's killing her..."

A primo example that Superman is a dick...

;-P

re: #229 Killgore Trout

SMACK!

re: #195 Stanley Sea

Gotta run, but here's my good night gift to you

[Link: www.dump.com...]

Hey... at least someone here has their priorities straight!

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

I should have worked in something about Jeff working 60 hours a week at a shit job in cubicle under fluorescent lights which require an hour commute each way.
/Hindsight is 40/40

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

So Peter's peter won't peter out!

re: #234 Killgore Trout

That's a depressing thought, Killgore. I take your point, but my statement is still valid. People may not spend much time hunting, but even so: Just by our eyes and teeth, we are marked as a predator species. As such, we could not be like rabbits if we wanted to be. It's simply not what we are.

re: #173 MandyManners

So Mandy, when did you start modeling?

re: #9 Pawn of the Oppressor

She's America's new Post Turtle, except half of us think turtles on posts are awesome.

And fully one half of Americans bear responsibility for the other famous Post Turtle.

re: #231 talon_262

A primo example that Superman is a dick...

;-P

Lol, I just went through some pics on that site and he really is a dick!
/Batman's better anyway :P

Reine, do you need more soup, salad or bread recipes? Email me with what you need.

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

That's a depressing thought, Killgore.

It is, sort of. Sadly this is the way most of us live. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it doesn't have to be like this.

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

That's a depressing thought, Killgore. I take your point, but my statement is still valid. People may not spend much time hunting, but even so: Just by our eyes and teeth, we are marked as a predator species. As such, we could not be like rabbits if we wanted to be. It's simply not what we are.

Sad to say, it is true. Burroughs pointed it out, called it "our glorious simian heritage," the fact that the great apes which likely developed into hominids were terrestrial, flesh-eating apes. "man evolved from the primate background precisely because he was a killer."

re: #241 Killgore Trout

It is, sort of. Sadly this is the way most of us live. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it doesn't have to be like this.

I hope to hell you're right, because the high tech lowlife we lead now is running us headlong into a dystopia that makes Bladerunner look like a dream come true.

G'nite all. It's been real. It's been fun. It's been real fun!

re: #241 Killgore Trout

It is, sort of. Sadly this is the way most of us live. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it doesn't have to be like this.

No way out of it that I can see. And many people are so used to it that if you showed them one they'd think you a fraud.

re: #244 Irenicum

G'nite all. It's been real. It's been fun. It's been real fun!

Goodnight, Irenicum.

re: #241 Killgore Trout

It is, sort of. Sadly this is the way most of us live. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it doesn't have to be like this.

How much of the madness we see around us - BDS, ODS, nirtherism, death-paneling, personality cults of the left and the right - do you suppose is in reaction to exactly this way of life? I'd bet that a person whose whole life has been preparation for a mid-level white collar job with no real purpose or function other than facilitating consumption by others and securing funds to facilitate his or her own socially normative patterns of consumption (supplemented with personal debt, perpetuating the cycle indefinitely) is ready to embrace anything that seems like it might possibly be meaningful, even if it's outright crazy. After all, if our very way of life is madness institutionalized, what's the harm in a little madness of one's own? In fact, isn't personal madness precisely the only sane and normal reaction to an insane environment?

re: #247 Guanxi88

I'd bet that a person whose whole life has been preparation for a mid-level white collar job with no real purpose or function other than facilitating consumption by others and securing funds to facilitate his or her own socially normative patterns of consumption (supplemented with personal debt, perpetuating the cycle indefinitely) is ready to embrace anything that seems like it might possibly be meaningful, even if it's outright crazy.

Sort of describes the classic Japanese "salaryman", and all those crazy hobbies they pursue.

re: #247 Guanxi88

And that's coming from a righty, a hard-core socially conservative righty. That ain't no post-modern, neo-marxist crap. That's what I think I see sometimes, the little flashes of insight I get between commercial breaks and making money.

And I bet I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

re: #247 Guanxi88

Look no further than Jeff. He understands his existence far beyond what we understand of ours. That's a problem. Jeff is fine, we might be fucked.

re: #248 freetoken

Sort of describes the classic Japanese "salaryman", and all those crazy hobbies they pursue.

Can you blame them? hell, bonsai or ikebana is absolutely engrossing and altogether engaging and humanizing, and even matchbook collections are more life-affirming than 8 to 10 hours a day reconciling accounts on spreadsheets. I oughtta know.

re: #251 Guanxi88
My main gig consists of helping to put people into debt in hopes that by so doing they will secure an education sufficient to ensure them a shot at a salary that will allow them to not only pay off the debts i help them take on, but even add to them with a nice house and car and all the trimmings. I feel like a traitor about half the time. The other half the time, I just feel numb.

re: #252 Guanxi88

My main gig consists of helping to put people into debt in hopes that by so doing they will secure an education sufficient to ensure them a shot at a salary that will allow them to not only pay off the debts i help them take on, but even add to them with a nice house and car and all the trimmings. I feel like a traitor about half the time. The other half the time, I just feel numb.

Sometimes, life just sucks. I like selling, though. I really do get a thrill from convincing people to buy something. I don't sell products I know to be bad, and I am never deceitful. For me, that has to be good enough.

re: #252 Guanxi88

I share your angst. I wonder constantly about why I am burdening myself with more debt in order to pursue a "higher" education than the one I already have achieved. Sometimes the system is the problem.

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes, life just sucks. I like selling, though. I really do get a thrill from convincing people to buy something. I don't sell products I know to be bad, and I am never deceitful. For me, that has to be good enough.

Hell, i sell stuff, too. We all do, when you get down to it. Just a natural thing we humans do. but the idea of selling and buying as the be-all and end-all (homo economicus, and his slavic cousin, homo sovieticus) is monstrous.

re: #255 Guanxi88

Hell, i sell stuff, too. We all do, when you get down to it. Just a natural thing we humans do. but the idea of selling and buying as the be-all and end-all (homo economicus, and his slavic cousin, homo sovieticus) is monstrous.

I agree, that's why I took up gaming. I get to meet people and organize things outside of work, even if I don't run most games I play in. The other thing I do is post here. Both help.

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

I agree, that's why I took up gaming. I get to meet people and organize things outside of work, even if I don't run most games I play in. The other thing I do is post here. Both help.

Damn, this is getting interesting. The masks and personas go down and we reveal ourselves to be real, live human beings often with less than perfect storybook lives. Welcome to the club, guys :-)

That said, I think I'll go upthread and take a look at Charles' Overnight Sky...