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1 Dynomite  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:15:26pm

Ooooh, my name in the credits! (Well, someone with the same name as me :) )

2 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:16:29pm

Open a Banana Like A Monkey

Hundreds of years and we're just now figuring this out? We should pay more attention to monkeys.

3 Dynomite  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:18:07pm

re: #2 Racer X

Next, from the NCSE: Open a Creationist('s prevarications) like a can of tuna!

4 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:21:11pm

A new article in the Times (UK) covering the rise of creationism in Islam. Put it in the spinoff. From that link:

Addressing the conference in Alexandria, organised for the bicentenary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species, he said that concerns among Muslims about evolution were being fuelled by Christian creationists. People in Muslim countries would find creationist theses on the internet and, not realising that these were on the fringes of scientific debate, assume that creationism had scientific credibility in the West.

5 albusteve  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:21:26pm

nice hat...that counts (needs a Cowboy Star tho)

6 Virginia Plain  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:22:15pm

Dig the Pythonesque animation at the end.

You know what I find funnier than this video? Some people may actually get to find out what Origin of the Species is all about. Yes, even though Kirk Cameron writes that piss poor Introduction, many people will quickly realize that he is full of it.

7 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:23:00pm

I thought the comfort version was also missing a chapter...?

8 Dynomite  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:23:04pm

re: #6 Virginia Plain

Yes, even though Kirk Cameron writes that piss poor Introduction, many people will quickly realize that he is full of it.

Oooh, Kirk Cameron. He's dreamy!

9 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:23:31pm

Forty seconds in... he says "something stinks..." Yep, this pitiful attempt at comedy.

Fail.

10 jaunte  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:25:35pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I thought the comfort version was also missing a chapter...?


More than one. Eugenie Scott:


Unfortunately, it will be hard to thoroughly read the version that Comfort will be distributing on college campuses in November. The copy his publisher sent me is missing no fewer than four crucial chapters, as well as Darwin's introduction. Two of the omitted chapters, Chapters 11 and 12, showcase biogeography, some of Darwin's strongest evidence for evolution. Which is a better explanation for the distribution of plants and animals around the planet: common ancestry or special creation?
...
Likewise missing from Comfort's bowdlerized version of the Origin is Chapter 13, where Darwin explained how evolution makes sense of classification, morphology, and embryology.[Link: www.usnews.com...]
11 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:26:00pm

Not as good as the Romanian girl's response.

12 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:27:20pm

re: #10 jaunte

Thanks, Jaunte. That's what I thought. The whole damn book stinks, and is worthy of nothing more than the nearest trash bin.

Makes me want to head over to the local campus and get as many as possible and dump them in the trash in view of the creationists distributing them.

13 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:28:52pm

Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?

Image: bible-warning.jpg

14 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:29:53pm

Definitely not scoring any points in the comedy competition. Hell, creationists are much funnier without even trying.

Speaking of support I could do without, I have seen purported evolution advocates using the loathsome term "creotard" on the internet. I'm sure no lizardoid would do this but if you know someone who is, tell them to knock it off.

15 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:30:01pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

Thanks, Jaunte. That's what I thought. The whole damn book stinks, and is worthy of nothing more than the nearest trash bin.
.

Where it will find plenty of company among the remaindered copies of Going Rogue

16 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:30:44pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel


Speaking of support I could do without, I have seen purported evolution advocates using the loathsome term "creotard" on the internet. I'm sure no lizardoid would do this but if you know someone who is, tell them to knock it off.

I've always preferred scientific cretinist myself

17 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:31:26pm

Cut the scientists some slack. Comedy isn't their strong suit.

18 jaunte  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:31:33pm

re: #15 PT Barnum
Both books will be useful for leveling out uneven table legs.

19 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:32:11pm

re: #13 Pepper Fox

Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?

[Link: www.defaithed.com...]

Yes, bad taste.

20 albusteve  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:32:17pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Cut the scientists some slack. Comedy isn't their strong suit.

Frankenstein was no joke, that's for sure

21 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:33:06pm

re: #18 jaunte

Or for starting up the fireplace this winter.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:33:11pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Not as good as the Romanian girl's response.

THat's just because you think she's sexy. Which she is...

23 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:33:15pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Yes, bad taste.

Thinking about it yeah. As amusing as the reaction would be, I wouldn't want to sink to their level.

24 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:01pm

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

THat's just because you think she's sexy. Which she is...

The massage is the medium.

25 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:29pm

re: #20 albusteve

I dunno, have you seen the Journal of Irreproducable results? One of my favorite sources of scientific humor. My favorite piece was "The Effect of Forcible Goosing on Clinical Depression."

26 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:33pm

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

THat's just because you think she's sexy. Which she is...

Women with intelligence usually are.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:35pm

re: #13 Pepper Fox

Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?

[Link: www.defaithed.com...]

Yes, although the content warning is quite accurate.

28 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:35:34pm

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Where do I find the intelligent, sexy Romanian girl? Is there a video or something?

29 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:36:18pm

re: #28 PT Barnum

It was linked on LGF, so I would go through the tag viewer and look it up that way.

30 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:36:42pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

Women with intelligence usually are.

I'll say.


London's 'Belle de Jour' Is a Scientist Who Had Sex for Tuition Money

31 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:36:58pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, although the content warning is quite accurate.

What is amusing is that Christian "moralists" have tried to ban books from libraries for each one of those pieces of content. Oh the great irony of people trying to ban Fahrenheit 451!

32 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:37:00pm

re: #28 PT Barnum

Where do I find the intelligent, sexy Romanian girl? Is there a video or something?

Video should be a month back in the LGF trail. I don't know if we can
access it.

33 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:38:38pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Video should be a month back in the LGF trail. I don't know if we can
access it.

Of course we can! Good gravy! LGF has not only a search function but a couple different ways to look up old threads, including the tag storm, tag viewer, and the archive pages.

34 brookly red  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:39:30pm

re: #28 PT Barnum

Where do I find the intelligent, sexy Romanian girl? Is there a video or something?

in Romania? maybe in the university in Romania? I don't know but it's a start.

35 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:39:34pm

I don't know if any of y'all have seen this yet, but this is simply stunning!

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

36 brucee  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:39:37pm

re: #4 freetoken

A new article in the Times (UK) covering the rise of creationism in Islam. Put it in the spinoff. From that link:

Quite sad indeed that creationists are now polluting the Internet. Makes the job of sane bloggers like Charles ever more critical.

As for rise of Creationism in Muslim countries, well, the scientific approach never was able to get a footing in theocracies.

I remember back in Iran, there were two kinds of references in pre-university books to the subject. In the science books, evolution of other species was mostly accepted as a fact, however, there were no mentioning of human evolution, it all stopped at apes. In religious texts taught in schools Darwin was outright attacked as a mislead scientist, and his theory as a fallacy. No discussion of reasons behind this opinion were given. Also every time the books got revised it got worse.

If it were not for the Internet, I might have come to accept that junk.

37 albusteve  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:41:10pm

swell...I'm out like Zora Folley

38 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:41:50pm

re: #33 Sharmuta

I'm lucky I can import a Youtube clip.

39 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:41:58pm

Man, this is a tough room.

40 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:43:06pm

re: #39 Charles

Sweetness and Light. Give it an hour.

41 brookly red  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:43:37pm

re: #39 Charles

Man, this is a tough room.

cover AND a 2 drink minimum...

42 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:44:08pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

I'm lucky I can import a Youtube clip.

You can find links to the archives and tag storm/viewer in the left side bar. There are also the tags at the bottom of every article, and you can click them to go right to that tag's page. Hover over the tag and the last 5 articles with that tag will come up. The general search function is at the top of the page on the right. Hope that helps.

43 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:45:01pm

World's Smallest Political Quiz

How and when the hell did I become a libertarian? No one told me.

44 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:45:31pm

re: #36 brucee

Quite sad indeed that creationists are now polluting the Internet. Makes the job of sane bloggers like Charles ever more critical.

As for rise of Creationism in Muslim countries, well, the scientific approach never was able to get a footing in theocracies.

I remember back in Iran, there were two kinds of references in pre-university books to the subject. In the science books, evolution of other species was mostly accepted as a fact, however, there were no mentioning of human evolution, it all stopped at apes. In religious texts taught in schools Darwin was outright attacked as a mislead scientist, and his theory as a fallacy. No discussion of reasons behind this opinion were given. Also every time the books got revised it got worse.

If it were not for the Internet, I might have come to accept that junk.

Now recently I have heard about creationism in Islam in the same way it's being pushed here through Christianity, but do they try to represent in a scientific manner like here?

45 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:45:50pm

re: #42 Sharmuta

You can find links to the archives and tag storm/viewer in the left side bar. There are also the tags at the bottom of every article, and you can click them to go right to that tag's page. Hover over the tag and the last 5 articles with that tag will come up. The general search function is at the top of the page on the right. Hope that helps.

Thanks. I play with the archive. "Tags" are Geek to me.

46 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:46:01pm

It's true that it's hard to top the comedy experience of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's infamous banana video.

47 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:47:14pm

re: #46 Charles

It's true that it's hard to top the comedy experience of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's infamous banana video.


[Video]

I like Crocoduck more.

48 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:47:41pm

re: #35 Pepper Fox

Amazing!

49 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:48:58pm

re: #39 Charles

Hey I thought it was funny.

50 Pepper Fox  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:49:40pm

re: #48 Racer X

Amazing!

I worked for a Nat Geo photographer for a couple years, but didn't get to do anything cool like that, I was just a pack mule and a lens caddy. But I did get a lot of equipment for cheap and help on his ballooning team.

51 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:50:22pm

re: #35 Pepper Fox

I don't know if any of y'all have seen this yet, but this is simply stunning!

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Wow! That was cool.

52 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:50:43pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Video should be a month back in the LGF trail. I don't know if we can
access it.

Is this it? Origin of Stupidity

53 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:52:56pm

re: #52 John Neverbend

Sure- I try to teach Deb to use the LGF search features, and you have to bring in a youtube link...

54 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:53:31pm

re: #53 Sharmuta

Sure- I try to teach Deb to use the LGF search features, and you have to bring in a youtube link...

Brute force, that's me.

55 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:55:06pm

re: #52 John Neverbend

Is this it? Origin of Stupidity

That's it.

ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.

56 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:56:11pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

That's it.

ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.

I found it in Youtube by searching for "romanian ray comfort".

57 Hector1980  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:57:34pm

Sorry for going OT, but this is too funny:

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Basically, Loony Pam does something unprincipled in her Anti-Muslim quest, someone calls her on it, she denies it, Spencer takes a few bullets for her, and now they have another enemy to erase from their blogs.

Where have I heard that one before?

58 jaunte  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:59:31pm

re: #35 Pepper Fox

I might be able to handle a weakened or dead penguin, with some help...

59 Irish Rose  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:00:24pm

Good evening, lizardia.

60 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:01:40pm

re: #57 Hector1980

Sorry for going OT, but this is too funny:

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Basically, Loony Pam does something unprincipled in her Anti-Muslim quest, someone calls her on it, she denies it, Spencer takes a few bullets for her, and now they have another enemy to erase from their blogs.

Where have I heard that one before?

Wow. When Debbie Schlussel decides you've gone too far, you really have a problem.

61 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:03:16pm

re: #57 Hector1980

Sorry for going OT, but this is too funny:

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Basically, Loony Pam does something unprincipled in her Anti-Muslim quest, someone calls her on it, she denies it, Spencer takes a few bullets for her, and now they have another enemy to erase from their blogs.

Where have I heard that one before?

We've known here at LGF for quite some time what an opportunist ms. geller is. I think it's great others are starting to wake up to this fact.

62 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:05:59pm

re: #52 John Neverbend

Good. I was down in the archives for half hour. It's depressing to read
all those headers at once--March of Folly.

63 brookly red  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:07:02pm

re: #52 John Neverbend

Is this it? Origin of Stupidity

/stupidity evolves too...

64 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:08:00pm

re: #13 Pepper Fox

Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?

[Link: www.defaithed.com...]

Yes.

And someone putting those stickers on the Koran must have a death wish.

65 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:08:36pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

That's it.

ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.

How many hours of HS biology lectures would it take to match that!

66 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:08:56pm

RS McCain uses Hot Air to issue his definitive statement against the accusation that he's repulsed by interracial marriage...
Race and Racism: My Definitive Statement

I believe that liberals are wrong about black people. Liberals are also wrong about white people, brown people, yellow people and red people. If NASA announced tomorrow that it had discovered a distant planet inhabited by purple people, anything that liberals believed about purple people would be wrong, too. Liberals are not only wrong about race, but they are also wrong about economics, crime, poverty, religion, science, war, marriage and foreign policy. In fact, as evidenced by their global-warming hysteria, liberals are wrong about the weather. Insofar as there is a “liberal consensus” on any particular subject — including movies and sports — then the truth is likely to be the exact opposite of whatever liberals say.

Heh. I also noticed that Hot Air has decided that racist comments like the one Charles linked to this weekend will no longer be deleted.

67 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:10:24pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Umm... how does that refute the accusations he's a racist?

68 jaunte  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:11:07pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

I object! Wrong!

69 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:12:48pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

Convinced me. Guess I can't be a Lib any more (sob).

70 brucee  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:13:06pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

Umm... how does that refute the accusations he's a racist?

Liberals (and any sane person): Interracial marriage is OK
RSM: "...then the truth is likely to be the exact opposite of whatever liberals say"

He's not refuting. He's admitting he is racist.

71 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:13:54pm

re: #68 jaunte

I object! Wrong!

But... are there witnesses?

72 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:14:04pm
The Sermon I think this Mom will never forget .

This particular Sunday sermon...'Dear Lord,' the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. 'Without you, we are but dust...' He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter who was listening leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little four year old girl voice, 'Mom, what is butt dust?'

Ahh, kids..

73 John Neverbend  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:14:37pm

re: #63 brookly red

/stupidity evolves too...

And it's often irreversible, like certain processes in classical thermodynamics.

74 jaunte  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:15:56pm

re: #71 Sharmuta

Liberals made Stacy think up and post his racist bumpersticker ideas.
They were wrong then, too.

75 jaunte  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:16:12pm

/

76 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:16:48pm

The Python reference at the end is priceless..

77 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:18:10pm

re: #75 jaunte

/

Free-floating Sarcasm

78 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:19:11pm
79 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:20:01pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

Umm... how does that refute the accusations he's a racist?

It doesn't. He writes about the accusations against him about 2-3 times a month and never denies or admits that he's said the things he has. He must have written 1,000's of words on the topic without ever acknowledging it one way or the other. It's bizarre that he'd write so much about something that he clearly doesn't want to talk about.

80 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:26:05pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

He's giving Spencer a run for his money in the weasel words competition.

81 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:26:35pm

re: #4 freetoken

A new article in the Times (UK) covering the rise of creationism in Islam. Put it in the spinoff. From that link:

freetoken,

Why not? Fundamental Islam is 7th Century C.E. in attitude and practice. How many domestic patents has that Saudi/Gulf Patent Office processed lately? Just wondering.

-S-

82 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:26:52pm

Debbie Schlussel accusing Pam Geller of self-serving opportunism and Robert Spencer of intellectual dishonesty.

Now I don't need to eat any dessert.

83 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:27:12pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

It doesn't. He writes about the accusations against him about 2-3 times a month and never denies or admits that he's said the things he has. He must have written 1,000's of words on the topic without ever acknowledging it one way or the other. It's bizarre that he'd write so much about something that he clearly doesn't want to talk about.

McCain's latest apology for his white supremacism was probably triggered by Max Blumenthal:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

84 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:28:49pm

re: #83 Charles

McCain's latest apology for his white supremacism was probably triggered by Max Blumenthal:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

ABSOLUTELY!!!

85 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:31:01pm

re: #83 Charles

McCain's latest apology for his white supremacism was probably triggered by Max Blumenthal:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

So Palin likes McCain... Why am I not surprised...

86 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:31:02pm

re: #83 Charles

Yup, that seems to be what set him off.

87 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:31:55pm

re: #46 Charles

It's true that it's hard to top the comedy experience of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's infamous banana video.


Charles -

Loving them would make me "Bah-Nah-Nahs." That is all.

-S-

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:34:07pm

re: #83 Charles

Blumenthal sez...

When I began reporting on McCain’s racial exploits for an article for The Nation, which was published on September 20, 2006, I began receiving unsolicited late night phone calls from McCain. In one such call, McCain refused to respond to the allegations leveled by his colleagues. Instead, he insisted I come to the Raven Grill, a dive bar in Washington DC’s Mount Pleasant section, to meet him and someone named “Carlos.” I simply repeated my request for a response to the charges. McCain again refused. Finally, the bizarre phone calls stopped.


Yikes.

89 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:35:19pm

A heroine of LGF!

90 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:38:31pm

Ohh and she has another good video!

91 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:44:01pm

Actually I don't understand what all the brouhaha is about. As Obdicut taught me in the Hasan/Islam thread, it is impossible for humans to take literal meaning from a text. It would therefore seem futile to read Darwin, and more futile still to argue about what he meant. Who cares? It's a text. It's infinitely interpretable. Let Comfort and Cameron read into it anything they like. They're no more or less apt to understand it than any other cognitively challenged naked ape.

Or at least that's how I see things now that Obdicut has opened my eyes.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:48:17pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

Obdi had support though. I found that an interesting conversation, Cato.

93 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:50:56pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Instead, he insisted I come to the Raven Grill, a dive bar in Washington DC’s Mount Pleasant section, to meet him and someone named “Carlos.”

Is RSM under the delusion that all must come when Dah' Mastah' summons them?

94 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:51:57pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

Actually I don't understand what all the brouhaha is about. As Obdicut taught me in the Hasan/Islam thread, it is impossible for humans to take literal meaning from a text. It would therefore seem futile to read Darwin, and more futile still to argue about what he meant. Who cares? It's a text. It's infinitely interpretable. Let Comfort and Cameron read into it anything they like. They're no more or less apt to understand it than any other cognitively challenged naked ape.

Or at least that's how I see things now that Obdicut has opened my eyes.

I reckon he schooled you.

*snicker*

95 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:55:12pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

Actually I don't understand what all the brouhaha is about. As Obdicut taught me in the Hasan/Islam thread, it is impossible for humans to take literal meaning from a text. It would therefore seem futile to read Darwin, and more futile still to argue about what he meant. Who cares? It's a text. It's infinitely interpretable. Let Comfort and Cameron read into it anything they like. They're no more or less apt to understand it than any other cognitively challenged naked ape.

Or at least that's how I see things now that Obdicut has opened my eyes.

Wow.

Can you please show me where I said that texts are infinitely interpretable, or that it's futile to read texts?

I'd say you'd probably understand Darwin better after you read him a second time, and after you read the works of his contemporaries. That's not in any way the same thing as saying that it's futile to read him.

That you can't take the literal meaning from a text in no way means that you can't take meaning from from a text.

I'm not sure, at this point, if you don't understand me or are pretending to not understand me in order to continue an argument. I'm also unsure why you dragged it into this thread in such a parodied form.

96 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:56:43pm

re: #43 Racer X

World's Smallest Political Quiz

How and when the hell did I become a libertarian? No one told me.

Tests don't lie!!! I came up right where I should have, but then RSM
converted me.

97 shai_au  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:56:48pm

President Obama remains calm in the face of a terrifying new Chinese weapon - the Wall of People.

What a brave man.

98 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:56:55pm

Talk about teh funny...
The Onion gets down with TOTUS.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]

99 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:57:58pm

re: #97 shai_au

President Obama remains calm in the face of a terrifying new Chinese weapon - the Wall of People.

What a brave man.

I think that's one organism. They've finally taken Communism to the next level.

100 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:59:59pm

re: #95 Obdicut

That you can't take the literal meaning from a text in no way means that you can't take meaning from from a text.

See, it's that "no literal meaning" part that I find funny. You certainly do seem to stand by that, so I assume you mean it, er, literally. But since I'm reading your thoughts as text, obviously I can't be expected to know what you're actually driving at, because then I would be taking a literal meaning from your text, and that's not possible, so...what is left in such a situation but parody?

101 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:02:54pm

Actually, since texts are composed of letters, and generally described as literature, I'm at a loss to know what kind of meaning can be taken from them other than a literal one. More than one literal meaning, quite likely, but what other kind of meaning is there?

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:03:23pm

re: #97 shai_au

"LOOK! It's Tiger Woods!"

103 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:04:35pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder

See, it's that "no literal meaning" part that I find funny. You certainly do seem to stand by that, so I assume you mean it, er, literally. But since I'm reading your thoughts as text, obviously I can't be expected to know what you're actually driving at, because then I would be taking a literal meaning from your text, and that's not possible, so...what is left in such a situation but parody?

But that's not what I'm saying, and I've made that clear. I think you can know what I'm driving at. I think that your conception of it will, even if you do your best to understand me, if you really, like, get me, man, will be slightly off from mine. I don't think we can ever read the same sentence and have the same exact reaction. I also think that's a wonderful thing.

It is nothing like what you're attempting to portray it as. But since you don't consider it worthwhile of anything other than parody, it's obviously not going to be worthwhile for me to continue to make my argument; you're not interested in it.

Have a good night, I enjoy the vast majority of your posts.

104 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:05:46pm

re: #101 Cato the Elder
Deeper than the ocean, Cato.//
Oh wait... that'd be the littoral meaning.

105 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:05:56pm

Hi all. How was Monday?

106 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:06:33pm

re: #104 tradewind

Deeper than the ocean, Cato.//
Oh wait... that'd be the littoral meaning.

You shore know how to start a pun thread.

107 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:06:50pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

Hi
It Sucked, but much better now.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:06:57pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

Dude... I'm sitting at South River Grill in Waynesboro. 2.00 Coronas.

Wo0T!

109 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:08:03pm

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude... I'm sitting at South River Grill in Waynesboro. 2.00 Coronas.

Wo0T!

It's been a while since I ate there. I love that place.

110 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:08:24pm

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At home-Sierra Nevada Anniversary edition ale. That's the much better now part.

111 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:09:23pm

re: #103 Obdicut

But that's not what I'm saying, and I've made that clear. I think you can know what I'm driving at. I think that your conception of it will, even if you do your best to understand me, if you really, like, get me, man, will be slightly off from mine. I don't think we can ever read the same sentence and have the same exact reaction. I also think that's a wonderful thing.

It is nothing like what you're attempting to portray it as. But since you don't consider it worthwhile of anything other than parody, it's obviously not going to be worthwhile for me to continue to make my argument; you're not interested in it.

Have a good night, I enjoy the vast majority of your posts.

There are ways of writing and ways of reading. The problem with the written word, as the Platonic Socrates and others following his example note, is that it says always the same things to the same people, and consequently may fail to convey a meaning appropriate to the reader, or may fail in other ways to convey a meaning with the degree of precision that a person could in a face-to-face dialogue. In these cases, it would be possible, by tailoring the message to the audience, to prevent misunderstandings, in some cases, and to conceal understanding in others. Both are occasionally necessary.

But because one cannot be in all places, or speak in the ways appropriate to each potential interlocutor, it is sometimes necessary to have resort to slightly unusual methods of writing (dialogues, densely-written discourses and interpretations that require careful reading and comparison with the supposed base-text, in order to have their meanings extracted).

All of which is to say, the written word has limitations, but there are ways for intelligent authors to convey their meanings to intelligent readers.

112 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:09:25pm

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

Hey nice catch on the CNN poll.

113 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:10:10pm

re: #97 shai_au

President Obama remains calm in the face of a terrifying new Chinese weapon - the Wall of People.

What a brave man.

From the comments:

4danlopez: DYK: While travelling in China, President Obama has a 71-car motorcade.

I wonder what the carbon footprint is for that parade of vehicles. I bet none of them are hybrids.

114 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:10:26pm

re: #43 Racer X

World's Smallest Political Quiz

How and when the hell did I become a libertarian? No one told me.

Well, I ended up only 14 points (one diagonal) away from "libertarian", sitting exactly on the line between "centrist" and "left".

Heh, at least I'm not a "statist"!

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:10:35pm

re: #111 Guanxi88

That was like reading stereo instructions...
/

116 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:11:51pm

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was like reading stereo instructions...
/

I admit it. I cribbed it all from the manual that came with my cell-phone.

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:12:18pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder what the carbon footprint is for that parade of vehicles. I bet none of them are hybrids.

What are you talking about?... probably the only time in decades that stretch of road hasn't had 71 thousand vehicles on it.

Going green, Presidential Convoy Style...

118 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:12:43pm

re: #112 Rightwingconspirator

Hey nice catch on the CNN poll.

Thanks. Bringing KSM & friends to the US for trial in civilian court is way up there in the dumbest things presidents have done.

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:13:50pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

I admit it. I cribbed it all from the manual that came with my cell-phone.

I'd ding it if I knew what the hell you said...

I nominate Guanxi88 to read the HealthCare bill and explain it to us!

120 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:03pm

re: #111 Guanxi88

There are ways of writing and ways of reading.

Language is perhaps man's greatest invention.

Think about it - two forebrains, not connected by neurons, discovered a way to pass information back and forth through the use of sounds or markings.

It's bound to be an inexact method of transmitting information.

Someday perhaps we can directly connect two brains. Will that be the beginning of the end of language as we know it?

121 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:08pm
122 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

I admit it. I cribbed it all from the manual that came with my cell-phone.

It was the new Motorola phone, with the new Straussian OS.

123 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:51pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb
Why do they call it surfing, anyway?

124 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:52pm

re: #112 Rightwingconspirator

Hey nice catch on the CNN poll.

What CNN poll is this?

125 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:20pm

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

I agree entirely. Military tribunal, life and a day and I'm fine with it. Frankly the Links are a great feature here. You can hit the audience with breaking news that is waaay OT.

126 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:26pm

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks. Bringing KSM & friends to the US for trial in civilian court is way up there in the dumbest things presidents have done.

It wouldn't be so bad if they had a fine hangin' like the Lincoln killers.

127 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:36pm

re: #120 freetoken

It's been done.
In Remulac.
A small town.
In France.///

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:40pm

re: #111 Guanxi88


interlocutor

really?

129 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:54pm

re: #120 freetoken

Someday perhaps we can directly connect two brains. Will that be the beginning of the end of language as we know it?

It'll make a perpetual war of each against all. Most of the peace in this world is maintained by silence and the excuse of "But you misunderstand what I meant."

130 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:16:20pm

re: #123 tradewind

Why do they call it surfing, anyway?

Thought I'd beach ya, but we're pretty much tide.

131 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:17:01pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

You'll have to show that one to Fenway, given that it has trains!

132 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:17:08pm

re: #124 Sharmuta

He has a Link on the front page links-CNN poll that 9/11 terrorists should be tried in a military tribunal, NOT civilian court. I so agree.

133 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:17:20pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'Seventy- One Limos led the grand parade...'
(With a hnndred and ten press vans right behind).

134 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:18:11pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

really?

Strong language, I know, but when my passions get the better of me, I've been known to throw around "interlocutor," "perfidy," and even, when my rage is at its full force, "invidious". The few occasions I've had in which I lost control and uttered the dreaded "intersubjective certainty," it has always been under the influence of strong drink consumed in low company.

135 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:19:03pm

Dinner calls see ya all later!

136 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:19:17pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb
This is supposed to be a current events site.

137 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:04pm

re: #136 tradewind

This is supposed to be a current events site.

Comments have ebbed in the last few minutes.

138 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:20pm

I suddenly have an urge to watch 'Lost in Translation'.

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:21pm

re: #134 Guanxi88

"Gosh, Mr. Lamar. You use your mouth purdier than a twenty dollar whore!"
-Taggart

(paraphrased...)

140 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:31pm

re: #136 tradewind

This is supposed to be a current events site.

In this outfit, you surf or you fight. I'm not afraid to surf this beach.

141 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:50pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

Hi all. How was Monday?

Fanfuckingtastic!

142 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:55pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Comments have ebbed in the last few minutes.

Gonna be another tsunami of these puns, eh?

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:21:06pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Thanks for that ding up there. I thought that was FREAKIN' HYSTERICAL!

144 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:21:32pm

re: #140 Guanxi88

In this outfit, you surf or you fight. I'm not afraid to surf this beach.

Charlie actually does su rf, at the Danang Surf Club. 'Fo real.

145 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:21:38pm

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Gosh, Mr. Lamar. You use your mouth purdier than a twenty dollar whore!"
-Taggart

(paraphrased...)

That's Hedley!

146 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:23:06pm

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

Dinner calls see ya all later!

Don't eat anything that speaks to you!

147 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:23:23pm

re: #142 The Sanity Inspector

Gonna be another tsunami of these puns, eh?

If I'm not careful, I become a tidal bore.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:23:54pm

re: #126 Alouette

It wouldn't be so bad if they had a fine hangin' like the Lincoln killers.

I would support a public hanging for KSM and all his terrorist buddies.

149 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:04pm

I gotta say - this is the only news/current affairs blog where one can get into deep discussion of hermeneutics, surfing, booze connoisseurship, and all things human and inhuman. This is just like my favorite bar from my College days, only I haven't been carried out of here by a buncha my buddies, spent my whole week's pay in a single evening, or started a disastrous romance here.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:34pm

re: #146 MandyManners

From your lips to God's ears, Mandy.

151 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:45pm

re: #146 MandyManners

Don't eat anything that speaks to you!

He must be eating tongue.

152 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:48pm

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

He has a Link on the front page links-CNN poll that 9/11 terrorists should be tried in a military tribunal, NOT civilian court. I so agree.

I agree as well. I think the decision to move it to civilian courts was a misplaced expression of an opinion by a judge that GWB was wrong to fight terrorism with the war machine.

153 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:26:20pm

re: #149 Guanxi88

This is just like my favorite bar from my College days, only I haven't been carried out of here by a buncha my buddies, spent my whole week's pay in a single evening, or started a disastrous romance here.

Give it time- who knows what could happen! ;)

154 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:26:30pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Fanfuckingtastic!

Get some lingerie today?

155 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:26:40pm

re: #151 Bloodnok

He must be eating tongue.

Problem is, to quote Hank Hill, that you're eating the parts you're supposed to throw away.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:27:08pm

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

re: #152 Mich-again

I don't want those corksockers within pointing and laughing distance.

And they will point and laugh.

157 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:27:09pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

That's it.

ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.

Everybody loves a blonde babe with an Eastern European accent sitting on her bed talking dirty...

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:27:53pm

re: #155 Guanxi88

Problem is, to quote Hank Hill, that you're eating the parts you're supposed to throw away.

From Perfidy to Hank Hill... That's a quick draw...

159 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:28:43pm

re: #129 Guanxi88

It'll make a perpetual war of each against all. Most of the peace in this world is maintained by silence and the excuse of "But you misunderstand what I meant."

Silence, most of all. If our random thoughts were readable to passing strangers as we thought about them in passing, there would not be enough lynch mobs to rub out the affronts. Everyone would need a gun, and the general tone of life would be "don't point your thoughts at me, you shit!"

160 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:28:45pm

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

Get some lingerie today?

Yeah. To celebrate my 10th anniversary of celibacy!! I'm not joking.

161 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:29:07pm

TA DA!
My first link!
(Hope I did it right...)
Land directs U.S. attorney to get $20,000 in sanctions from Orly Taitz

WITH INTEREST!

162 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:29:23pm

re: #157 freetoken

Everybody loves a blonde babe with an Eastern European accent sitting on her bed talking dirty...

Yeah. Top that, Kir-k, you sssnake!

163 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:29:51pm

Nite All--My work here is dune.

164 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:30:08pm

re: #161 Floral Giraffe

TA DA!
My first link!
(Hope I did it right...)
Land directs U.S. attorney to get $20,000 in sanctions from Orly Taitz

WITH INTEREST!

You did! You just didn't link your link...

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:30:36pm

re: #160 MandyManners

Yeah. To celebrate my 10th anniversary of celibacy!! I'm not joking.

Like I said this morning...

If I ever go ten years without having sex, there had better be a casket wrapped around me!

166 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:30:55pm

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From Perfidy to Hank Hill... That's a quick draw...

Well, if you really wanna get into it - it's not so much of a stretch. Because everything that is exists as part of the narrative structure of Being, authored, constituted, and perfected by the Creator and Author of Being, it is hardly surprising to find such associations. To, in, and for the Divine Intellect there is no division or distinction, only perfect immutable unity; as the human intellect is in the image and likeness of the Divine (as hinted at in Genesis and as Aristotle's Metaphysics and De Anima indicate), it is only natural that these connections and associations are made. It's all one giant text, we merely read different pages at different times.

167 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:32:34pm

re: #166 Guanxi88

Well, if you really wanna get into it - it's not so much of a stretch. Because everything that is exists as part of the narrative structure of Being, authored, constituted, and perfected by the Creator and Author of Being, it is hardly surprising to find such associations. To, in, and for the Divine Intellect there is no division or distinction, only perfect immutable unity; as the human intellect is in the image and likeness of the Divine (as hinted at in Genesis and as Aristotle's Metaphysics and De Anima indicate), it is only natural that these connections and associations are made. It's all one giant text, we merely read different pages at different times.

BTW, the distinction between what I wrote above and simple schizophrenia is that I KNOW you can't live as if this were true. A schizophrenic is one who tries to.

168 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:32:40pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

If I click on the title, it takes me to the article...
[Link: www.ledger-enquirer.com...]

It didn't worky?

169 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:32:45pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

You did! You just didn't link your link...

Well, I just checked WND and they haven't reported it, so it must not be true.

/heh

170 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:33:18pm

re: #167 Guanxi88

LOL!
That's what you're saying NOW!
///

171 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:33:25pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Like I said this morning...

If I ever go ten years without having sex, there had better be a casket wrapped around me!

It's all about individual values and choices.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:33:28pm

re: #166 Guanxi88

You lost me at, "Well"...

173 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:33:46pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb
Good job...
These tend to get a little dinghy, fast.
:)

174 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:34:00pm

re: #168 Floral Giraffe

No- it worked- you did your spinoff exactly right. You just didn't link to your spinoff in #161. Sorry for the confusion.

175 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:34:07pm

re: #170 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
That's what you're saying NOW!
///

Advice of counsel. And the wife. "Don't go around talking like that. It may fly in your scholarly work, but everyone just knows you're bat-shit crazy and well-read."

176 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:34:46pm

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You lost me at, "Well"...

Me, too!

177 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:35:10pm

re: #174 Sharmuta

Well, I do TRY.
I ALWAYS got "A's" for effort, doncha know!

178 tradewind  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:35:23pm

re: #146 MandyManners
Make sure it's dead first.///

179 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:35:44pm

re: #177 Floral Giraffe

You broke your spinoff bubble. Now you can go wild!

180 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:36:11pm

re: #103 Obdicut

But that's not what I'm saying, and I've made that clear. I think you can know what I'm driving at. I think that your conception of it will, even if you do your best to understand me, if you really, like, get me, man, will be slightly off from mine. I don't think we can ever read the same sentence and have the same exact reaction. I also think that's a wonderful thing.

It is nothing like what you're attempting to portray it as. But since you don't consider it worthwhile of anything other than parody, it's obviously not going to be worthwhile for me to continue to make my argument; you're not interested in it.

Have a good night, I enjoy the vast majority of your posts.

I've very much enjoyed sparring with you.

181 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:37:53pm

re: #166 Guanxi88

Well, if you really wanna get into it - it's not so much of a stretch. Because everything that is exists as part of the narrative structure of Being, authored, constituted, and perfected by the Creator and Author of Being, it is hardly surprising to find such associations. To, in, and for the Divine Intellect there is no division or distinction, only perfect immutable unity; as the human intellect is in the image and likeness of the Divine (as hinted at in Genesis and as Aristotle's Metaphysics and De Anima indicate), it is only natural that these connections and associations are made. It's all one giant text, we merely read different pages at different times.

And even if we read the same page, none of us reads the same page. Or something.

182 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:38:09pm

Wow...it's not often I turn off and walk away from the TV when a footbal game is on, but...damn...what a turd they have tonight for Monday Night Football.

As much as last night's Indy/NE game was like a-kick-to-the-nuts-after -a-running-head-start, I actually feel a little better about the Pats right now.

At least I'm not a Browns fan...

183 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:38:33pm

re: #177 Floral Giraffe

Well, I do TRY.
I ALWAYS got "A's" for effort, doncha know!

Fine job on your first spin-off!

184 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:42:09pm

Just saw this on MSN:

Scientology under fire?

First the church is sued for fraud, now there are rumors an A-list member may defect.

185 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:42:58pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

And even if we read the same page, none of us reads the same page. Or something.

Stupid Saussure! I blame the whole thing on him!

186 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:43:43pm

re: #179 Sharmuta

Does that mean I have to spend MORE time here?
GACK! I don't have it!
I'll try to look at the spin offs more, though...

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:43:55pm

re: #182 Fenway_Nation
Turds are very upset with you right now.

188 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:45:18pm

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Turds are very upset with you right now.

I'm not the least bit interested in getting on the good side of the Kod Kidz, so it hardly matters to me.

189 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:45:35pm

re: #185 Guanxi88

Stupid Saussure! I blame the whole thing on him!

Il n'y a pas de hors-text. Thank you very-freaking-much, Derrida. Because of you, every half-wit with a BA thinks he or she can parse words and meanings into and out of existence.

190 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:45:50pm

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

Just saw this on MSN:

Scientology under fire?

If Travolta quits, I promise I will rent "Saturday Night Fever" and watch it all the way through.

Do it for the re$idual$, John!

191 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:11pm

re: #190 Cato the Elder

If Travolta quits, I promise I will rent "Saturday Night Fever" and watch it all the way through.

Do it for the re$idual$, John!

Which one...PG or R version?

192 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:20pm

re: #188 Fenway_Nation


The kos kidz, too...

*sigh*

/where has my old friend preview gone?

193 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:27pm

re: #190 Cato the Elder

If Travolta quits, I promise I will rent "Saturday Night Fever" and watch it all the way through.

Do it for the re$idual$, John!

I dunno. I think Battlefield Earth was just like those horrible crimes that secret societies used to force members to commit in order to bind them to the group.

194 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:52pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

Il n'y a pas de hors-text. Thank you very-freaking-much, Derrida. Because of you, every half-wit with a BA thinks he or she can parse words and meanings into and out of existence.

Indeed. What's the point of asking someone if she's on the same page, when it's a different page every time you look at it for everyone who looks at it?

195 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:50:35pm

re: #194 Cato the Elder

Indeed. What's the point of asking someone if she's on the same page, when it's a different page every time you look at it for everyone who looks at it?

And people wonder where a Palin or an Obama comes from? If the "best minds" of the age are reduced to incoherent babbling and self-contradiction (which a sane age took to be one of the methods of refutation in rhetoric) over the simplest of matters, who can be surprised that the age finds itself confronted with the choice of an empty vessel for ill-defined progressive hopes on the one hand, and an empty vessel for reaction on the other? If nothing means anything, then we are in the age of nothing, ruled by non-entities. Oh, wait...

196 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:53:06pm

Oh well, gotta go! Time to climb onto public transit and ride with to therion polycephalon!

(Ask Cato, he'll explain)

197 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:53:48pm

re: #194 Cato the Elder

re: #196 Guanxi88

Oh well, gotta go! Time to climb onto public transit and ride with to therion polycephalon!

(Ask Cato, he'll explain)

Please do!

198 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:54:41pm

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

Just saw this on MSN:

Scientology under fire?

The Ch-rch of $camitology is a dangerous cult of vicious swindlers. TIME magazine exposed them in the early 90s, and spent the rest of the decade in an expensive lawsuit defending themselves.

199 coscolo  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:59:21pm

OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.

200 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:00:35pm

re: #199 coscolo

OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.

)

My backyard. :)

201 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:03:45pm

re: #196 Guanxi88

Oh well, gotta go! Time to climb onto public transit and ride with to therion polycephalon!

(Ask Cato, he'll explain)

"The many-headed beast."

202 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:04:21pm

'President Obama’s approval rating is down to 46 percent. That means 54 percent of the people do not approve of the job he’s doing. I think this is totally unfair. We should at least wait until he actually does something.'
- Jay Leno

203 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:04:48pm

How do the ladies feel about this story?

Task force advices against annual mammograms

The rules have changed for mammogram recommendations. For years women were asked to arrange yearly breast cancer screening after age 40. Today, the United States Preventative Services Task Force, faced with new data, reduced their suggestions for mammograms. Women aged 50 and above are now asked to only come in every two years for an exam. The exceptions are women in the high risk population such as women that have a gene mutation that increases the likelihood of breast cancer or people exposed to extensive chest radiation. Women should limit themselves to no more than 10 mammograms in their lifetimes.

The risk of over-treatment is reduced for biennial screening. The incidence of false positives and unnecessary biopsies is divided in half. A "false positive" is the name for test that comes back as abnormal but the subsequent biopsy results are normal. The task force also questioned the results of self-examination.

204 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:05:39pm

re: #199 coscolo

OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.

Here' in the PacNW we're always socked in with clouds this time of year. When I lived in AZ I used to drive out to the desert to watch.

205 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:06:57pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

How do the ladies feel about this story?

Task force advices against annual mammograms

Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.

206 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:08:24pm

re: #205 MandyManners

Oh, shit.

I must always back-away from the key-board.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:09:16pm

re: #205 MandyManners

Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.

I can't wait for government-run health care!

//

208 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:09:19pm

Life’s like a bird, it’s pretty cute until it shits on your head.

209 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:10:05pm

re: #199 coscolo

OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.

Cool!
Welcome to LGF!

210 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:11:10pm

re: #205 MandyManners

Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.

I had a quick read.

211 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:11:15pm

re: #205 MandyManners

Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.

Concur. I smell NHS-style cost-cutting, and it stinks to high heaven.

212 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:33pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

re: #205 MandyManners

My wife is pissed off! That damn test hurts a lot, particularly for women with cysts. She is late 40's and has done the annual for some time. Honestly sometimes I think to go for CT instead despite the rads. Or MRI. Anything but the squeeze. Hey guys imagine if the test for testicular was similar. Or better yet don't.

BTW-all cash. Uninsured as per pre existing childhood disease.

213 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:37pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

How do the ladies feel about this story?

Task force advices against annual mammograms

You just WAIT untill the "health care boards" get started on what we don't "really need". I think the quality of health care we currently receive is in jeopardy. And going to be more expensive. But, I am willing to wait & see what happens.

214 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:41pm

re: #210 MandyManners

I had a quick read.

You were criticizing yourself for taking God's name in vain, correct?

215 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:43pm

re: #205 MandyManners

Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.

Have you got that phrase programmed in a hot-key shortcut?

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:54pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

How do the ladies feel about this story?

Task force advices against annual mammograms

I think that whatever the hell they advise, they'll advise something else in a couple of years.

217 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:13:57pm

Weird. If you watch this video several times you may notice the bubble gum.

218 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:14:01pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Concur. I smell NHS-style cost-cutting, and it stinks to high heaven.

I smell BHO imposing his goddamn commie dream on this nation.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:14:24pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Concur. I smell NHS-style cost-cutting, and it stinks to high heaven.

Of course, if one has private health coverage, such as myself, one can have a mammogram every time one walks in the door.

//Try getting one when you're under forty. And don't try to bamboozle them with family history. Everyone has a family history of breast cancer.

220 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:15:09pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that whatever the hell they advise, they'll advise something else in a couple of years.

Yes, moving target.
That being said, I am very grateful that this disease does not run in my family. And, I haven't heard a PEEP about genetic testing in the "new health care bill", but I bet it's in there, somewhere...

221 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:15:44pm

re: #212 Rightwingconspirator

re: #205 MandyManners

My wife is pissed off! That damn test hurts a lot, particularly for women with cysts. She is late 40's and has done the annual for some time. Honestly sometimes I think to go for CT instead despite the rads. Or MRI. Anything but the squeeze. Hey guys imagine if the test for testicular was similar. Or better yet don't.

BTW-all cash. Uninsured as per pre existing childhood disease.

HUGS!

222 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:16:10pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

How do the ladies feel about this story?

Task force advices against annual mammograms

I think it doesn't matter what they recommend. If some women want them yearly and pay for them, who is going to stop them?

223 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:16:28pm

re: #221 MandyManners

She says thanks lots!!

224 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:18:24pm

I may have found the very heart of all that is stupid

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:19:56pm

re: #199 coscolo

Saw an entire three second meteor driving up the interstate tonight going away from me (and it was early (7:30ish?)). If you can be up between 1 & 3am? I think it'll be a doozie!

Me?

zzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ

226 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:10pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, if one has private health coverage, such as myself, one can have a mammogram every time one walks in the door.

//Try getting one when you're under forty. And don't try to bamboozle them with family history. Everyone has a family history of breast cancer.

Remember earlier this year when John McEnroe was the spokesman for getting a Prostrate test, and the move was on for men under 40 to get a PSA test?

For every McEnroe you got, I can give you 30 Prostrate Cancer researchers who think this is a really dumb idea. Almost every man on the planet has Prostrate Cancer... and 99.9% of it is benign, or grows so slowly that it would kill you when you are 203 years old.

The only thing that getting the PSA tests done at an earlier age is going to do is give a lot of false positives, make guys worry, send some of them for unnecessary treatments and surgeries - and make the companies that make PSA tests filthy stinking rich.

227 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:16pm

re: #224 spacejesus

I may have found the very heart of all that is stupid

[Video]

Fuck you,

228 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:18pm

re: #224 spacejesus

You don't have to take my word for it, except you do.

229 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:27pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I thought the comfort version was also missing a chapter...?

No, that's the Southern Comfort version. It goes down smoother.

230 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:36pm

re: #193 Guanxi88

I dunno. I think Battlefield Earth was just like those horrible crimes that secret societies used to force members to commit in order to bind them to the group.

And it pretty much killed Barry Pepper's acting career...

///maybe

231 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:43pm

God bless the good workers of the world!
We think we have a gas leak at Mom's house, based on last months bill being 10X the previous months bill. Have the plumber come take a look. Doesn't find anything. Calls this morning, he woke up on Saturday, thinking about something, he wished he'd checked. Can we meet him?
YOU BETCHA! It was nothing. Now the gas company can come look...

Still, it's such a JOY to have a contentious worker!

232 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:47pm

.

233 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:22:45pm

re: #232 MandyManners

.

Word.

234 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:23:53pm

(Thank you.)

236 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:24:02pm

re: #230 talon_262

And it pretty much killed Barry Pepper's acting career...

///maybe

Edit: As a leading man, anyway...I know he's done other things since then

237 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #230 talon_262

And it pretty much killed Barry Pepper's acting career...

///maybe

Yep, he made a huge mistake starring in that one. I hope he gets a second chance some day.

238 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:24:54pm

re: #226 SteveC

Remember earlier this year when John McEnroe was the spokesman for getting a Prostrate test, and the move was on for men under 40 to get a PSA test?

For every McEnroe you got, I can give you 30 Prostrate Cancer researchers who think this is a really dumb idea. Almost every man on the planet has Prostrate Cancer... and 99.9% of it is benign, or grows so slowly that it would kill you when you are 203 years old.

The only thing that getting the PSA tests done at an earlier age is going to do is give a lot of false positives, make guys worry, send some of them for unnecessary treatments and surgeries - and make the companies that make PSA tests filthy stinking rich.

Not the complete story. A relatively early PSA test gives a baseline. Read Cornelius Ryan and Kathryn Morgan Ryan's book "A private battle" for the story of the downside of not testing.

239 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:25:01pm

ok...I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, this is a serious question:

If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?

240 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:25:07pm

re: #232 MandyManners

.

Host: Do you wish to solve the puzzle?

Steve: You're kidding, right?

241 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

God bless the good workers of the world!
We think we have a gas leak at Mom's house, based on last months bill being 10X the previous months bill. Have the plumber come take a look. Doesn't find anything. Calls this morning, he woke up on Saturday, thinking about something, he wished he'd checked. Can we meet him?
YOU BETCHA! It was nothing. Now the gas company can come look...

Still, it's such a JOY to have a contentious worker!

There was a gas leak at my mom's house but it was outside in the middle of the yard. Since it was underground nobody could smell it. It killed a very old tree which the gas company removed and paid big bucks for the tree.

242 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:27:31pm

The Fortune Teller

In a dark and gloomy room, the fortune teller was startled by what she saw in her crystal ball. She looked up at her customer, sitting across the table. 'There's no easy way to say this, so I'll just be blunt. Prepare yourself to be a widow. Your husband will die a violent and horrible death this year.'

Visibly shaken, the woman stared at the psychic's lined face, then at the single flickering candle, then down at her hands. She took a few deep breaths to compose herself. She simply had to know.

She met the fortune teller's gaze, steadied her voice, and asked:
'Will I get away with it?'

243 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:28:30pm

re: #241 NJDhockeyfan

We have come to the conclusion, that since it's a 50 year old meter, 2 feet underground, and REALLY hard to read...
That it's just a bad meter reed.
Still, since the house is vacant, I don't want to take any chances.
And, GOSH, I do appreciate the plumber caring enough to keep thinking about our job, once he'd finished & been paid.
Hard to find good workers like that!

244 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:28:43pm

re: #224 spacejesus

Yeah. The evangelical crowd prides itself (without knowing it) on TEH STOOPID. They relish every moment...forthesakeofjesuschristomgwtfbbqkthnksbai.

So, how you doin' SpaceJesus?

245 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:29:15pm

re: #243 Floral Giraffe

ACK!
Read!

PIMF, Spellcheck is my friend...

246 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:29:36pm

Medical quiz of the day: Is this patient ready for discharge?

Here's a text I got from the nurse coordinator on the scene of the crime:

Doc, the nurses told me your abdominal pain patient in room 503 was having sex last night. They walked in on her. Do you think it's safe to discharge her this morning?

247 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:31:30pm

re: #239 rollwave87


If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?

Thinking... believing...

Whatever, as long as you label the science "science" and the religion "religion" then you are on the path to copacetic verisimilitude.

248 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:32:23pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

God bless the good workers of the world!
We think we have a gas leak at Mom's house, based on last months bill being 10X the previous months bill. Have the plumber come take a look. Doesn't find anything. Calls this morning, he woke up on Saturday, thinking about something, he wished he'd checked. Can we meet him?
YOU BETCHA! It was nothing. Now the gas company can come look...

Still, it's such a JOY to have a contentious worker!

The working man hasn't lost his soul. Good to hear.

249 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:32:54pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

Still, it's such a JOY to have a contentious worker!

Conscientious, too!

250 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:33:01pm

re: #224 spacejesus

I may have found the very heart of all that is stupid


"...a scientist from Pensacola FL, Dr. Kent Hovind--" GONNGGG!!!

251 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:34:22pm

re: #239 rollwave87

I don't find much objectionable. The worst bit is liking Palin, it's debatable but ultimately will be decided by the voters (who I can guarantee won't vote for her)

252 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:34:38pm

Good evening, everyone.

253 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:34:57pm

re: #212 Rightwingconspirator

BTW-all cash. Uninsured as per pre existing childhood disease.

Which would be illegal under health-care reform.

254 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:35:03pm
255 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:36:35pm

re: #247 freetoken

Thinking... believing...

Whatever, as long as you label the science "science" and the religion "religion" then you are on the path to copacetic verisimilitude.

I can get down with that. I just don't think it'd be fair to tell someone who believes 100% in evolution, knows the Earth isn't 5,000 years old, etc. that they're a creationist because they believe someone had to get this whole ball rolling.

In Palin's book she talks about how Schmidt was all like "your Dad was a science teacher, how can you be a creationist?" and she said she believes in science, just that some force had to start it all. and I really don't think thats an unreasonable position. im a gay republican, so ostensibly I should be taking Steve Schmidts side in this argument, but a big tent has to run both ways. You can't even believe in God now?

256 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:36:38pm

re: #239 rollwave87

ok...I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, this is a serious question:

If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?

It's beyond the scope of science to answer the question. From a scientific point of view, you're not talking about science, and science cannot say anything definite about your views.

There's nothing morally blameworthy in not believing in global warming; the subject is complicated and on top of that some people who do know better (and on both sides) push tommyrot. This makes it tough to cut through the fog to any sort of definite truth.

I go by the precautionary principle: there are things we could do now that we'll be needing to do anyhow, AGW or no AGW, within the foreseeable future. If we do them now, and AGW is for real (I think it is), we'll be glad we acted sooner rather than (too-?) later. If it's not for real, we won't be much hurt. We'll have pushed forward one branch of technology and heavy industry at the expense of some other part of our economy, and we'll be a tad less further up the ever-richer curve than we would otherwise have been.

Cap and trade is not what I mean by "do something". That's hugely expensive and not very effective. Building many more wind-power towers is somewhat effective. Building a bunch of nuclear power plants, ditto. More efficient buildings and cars, highly effective until you've wrung out the easy savings, then increasingly expensive. Building solar, less effective now than it figures to be once we hammer out the next twice-as-cheap couple of engineering improvements. Once that's in place, we could pave over some 10 percent of Arizona with solar cells or solar thermal "farms" and get more energy than we now get from coal, and (assuming the hoped-for technical improvements), cheaper than the current cost of coal.

257 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:36:52pm

The Health Care Rationing Commission

Starting in 2015, Medicare could not grow more rapidly on a per capita basis than by a measure of inflation. After 2019, it could only grow at the same rate as GDP, plus one percentage point.

259 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:38:56pm

Just got finished exposing the to teenage step-critters to the a cultural icon, the move "Harold and Maude." They actually like it, caught all the humor and thanked me.

Then I untied them.

The 9:34 (mountain time) weather... it's currently 25 degrees (f) at 8200 feet at the Newtons Secret Mountain Lair, going down to a low of 15 degrees (f)...

Still about a 3/4 of a foot of snow on the ground from this weekends snow. We got a good foot on Sat. night. I stayed overnight at the theatre, no need to brave the 23 mile trek up hill when we have a nice pull out sofa bed in our lobby and breakfast across the street.

And how is everyone this evening?

260 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:39:06pm

re: #253 Cato the Elder

Like to see them enforce that! They can't stop illegal or legal drugs illegally bought good luck with halting "illegal" care. Anyway... Well fine if she has the public option. Or an affordable one. If she could get in at the going normal rate fine. I'll pay it. Or a reasonable amount over the normal.

261 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:39:41pm

re: #244 eclectic infidel

Yeah. The evangelical crowd prides itself (without knowing it) on TEH STOOPID. They relish every moment...forthesakeofjesuschristomgwtfbbqkthnksbai .

So, how you doin' SpaceJesus?

yeah, that video makes me want to cry from outer space and never stop

262 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:39:44pm

re: #256 lostlakehiker

Nice post. Thank you.

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:40:02pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Harold and Maude is one of the greatest movies of all time. :D

264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:40:15pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Just got finished exposing the to teenage step-critters to the a cultural icon, the move "Harold and Maude." They actually like it, caught all the humor and thanked me.

Then I untied them.

The 9:34 (mountain time) weather... it's currently 25 degrees (f) at 8200 feet at the Newtons Secret Mountain Lair, going down to a low of 15 degrees (f)...

Still about a 3/4 of a foot of snow on the ground from this weekends snow. We got a good foot on Sat. night. I stayed overnight at the theatre, no need to brave the 23 mile trek up hill when we have a nice pull out sofa bed in our lobby and breakfast across the street.

And how is everyone this evening?

I had a tough day at work, but I'm basically all right.

265 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:40:16pm

re: #239 rollwave87

ok...I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, this is a serious question:

If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?

Nothing wrong with that. Many here believe as you do, myself included.

There are those, however, who do not accept that the science of evolution is real; I'm going to suggest to you, if you haven't done so already, that you check out some of the previous threads here, particularly the early ones, and also check out the Discovery Institute, the Wedge Strategy and the Wedge Document. In the Wedge Document, pay particular attention to the goals and short-term and long-term objectives.

These folks want to replace, in schools, the study of science (evolution) with their own religious version of creation, which may or may not match your own religious beliefs.

There is a difference between being a "creationist", and being a believer in God (or another power) in addition to accepting science.

266 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:41:01pm

re: #261 spacejesus

yeah, that video makes me want to cry from outer space and never stop

Who gets to be Noah is that scenario?

268 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:16pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

I don't find much objectionable. The worst bit is liking Palin, it's debatable but ultimately will be decided by the voters (who I can guarantee won't vote for her)

don't be so sure. again, as a gay Jew, Pat Buchanan is nearly the bane of my existence, but when he points out that Palin is being treated now quite similiarly to the way Reagan was treated pre-1980, he's on to something. considering how much bad press she gets, the fact that only 60% of people say they'd never vote for her is actually not that bad. and I think she did well on Oprah today. except for explaining why she resigned. if she does end up never winning politically again, it will be because of that. nobody wants a President who they think can't take the heat.

269 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:35pm

re: #265 reine.de.tout

I came to the personal conclusion science shows how it happened. Fossils are the footsteps of the designer. Religious dogma on cosmology must be refernced with the science Of It's Time. Just my thinking on the matter.

270 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:40pm

re: #260 Rightwingconspirator

Like to see them enforce that! They can't stop illegal or legal drugs illegally bought good luck with halting "illegal" care. Anyway... Well fine if she has the public option. Or an affordable one. If she could get in at the going normal rate fine. I'll pay it. Or a reasonable amount over the normal.

Umm...I meant it would be illegal for her to be excluded from coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

271 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:57pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

I had a tough day at work, but I'm basically all right.

I wish I had a full time job to have a tough day at. But, glad you are ok.

272 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:43:37pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

I had a tough day at work, but I'm basically all right.

I feel ya.

273 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:43:43pm

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam


Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invited hundreds of attractive Italian "hostesses" to a villa in Rome last night for an evening at which he urged them to convert to Islam and told them Christianity was based on a fraud, Italian reports said today.

The Libyan leader is in Italy to attend a United Nations summit on world food security. Reports said that Colonel Gaddafi's aides phoned an agency which provides elegantly dressed young women to act as hospitality staff at events.

The agency was asked to send 500 women to the residence of Hafed Gaddur, the Libyan ambassador in Rome, where Colonel Gaddafi is staying, over a series of evenings during the three day summit.

The agency advertised for "500 pleasing girls between 18 and 35 years of age, at least one metre 70 high." The women were asked to dress elegantly but soberly, with both miniskirts and cleavage-revealing decolletage firmly banned.

Those who replied were offered €60 (£53) to attend an evening at the villa for an "exchange of opinions" and to "receive a Libyan gift", which turned out to be a copy of the Koran. They were given nothing to eat or drink, however.

274 freetoken  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:45:12pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

His personal guards need to be updated? What happened to the old ones, did they, in Hugo's words, "fill out"?

275 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:45:33pm

re: #263 WindUpBird

Harold and Maude is one of the greatest movies of all time. :D

Yes it is, and the DVD finally fixes one of the problems with the original movie and the video tape. They balanced out the sound mix so it's at a constant level. The original movie used a lot of natural on set sound and they didn't do a lot of dubbing in the studio, so the sound level varies a lot from between different locations.

DVD has a good level volume.

276 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:45:33pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

I hope so, but the house version is aid to have no price cap. So if her c9ondition warrants a monthly premium of say $4000 she is still left without coverage. 5 billion set aside by the Feds for folks like her will last like the Cash For Clunkers money did.

277 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:46:18pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam

Oh, so that's what they call it these days.

278 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:46:42pm

re: #274 freetoken

His personal guards need to be updated? What happened to the old ones, did they, in Hugo's words, "fill out"?

'There are no fat chicks in Islam'/

279 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:47:24pm

re: #268 rollwave87

don't be so sure. again, as a gay Jew, Pat Buchanan is nearly the bane of my existence, but when he points out that Palin is being treated now quite similiarly to the way Reagan was treated pre-1980, he's on to something. considering how much bad press she gets, the fact that only 60% of people say they'd never vote for her is actually not that bad. and I think she did well on Oprah today. except for explaining why she resigned. if she does end up never winning politically again, it will be because of that. nobody wants a President who they think can't take the heat.

Midge Decter had a disturbing anecdote of something she and Pat Buchanan witnessed during the Reagan administration:

It was on one of these occasions [a meeting with President
Reagan] that I witnessed what was to me a truly shocking scene.
Before our meeting commenced, just as we had all taken our places
around the table and the president had arrived to take his, a group of
men with cameras filed by from one end of the room to the other
snapping pictures. And as they filed by, several of them shouted rude
questions at Reagan: "What have you got up your little sleeve now, Mr.
President?" and "Are you lying to the American people, Mr. President?"
All the while this was taking place, Reagan remained completely
impassive. "What the hell is going on?" I whispered to Pat Buchanan,
who happened to be sitting next to me. "This," said Pat, "is what
they call a photo op." "You mean," I asked, "that this is allowed to
go on all the time?"-- to which Pat shrugged and nodded. To this day
I cannot get over what I witnessed that day.
-- Midge Decter, An Old Wife's Tale, 2001

280 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:48:35pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam

Wonder if he harangued them as long as he did the UN General Assembly.

281 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:48:49pm

'Night.

282 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:49:07pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

Who gets to be Noah is that scenario?

two of every lizard

283 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:00pm

Don't forget that the Leonid Meteor Shower will be visible tonight/this morning in North America and Asia. Here in Florida the best veiwing is suposed to be around 4:00am, they estimate that 25 to 50 meteors per hour will be visible.

[Link: www.spacedaily.com...]

284 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:14pm

re: #281 The Sanity Inspector


Fare thee well, Assesor of the mental wellbeing persuasion!

285 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:50pm

1 heart attack = 725 X-Rays

There is research - most of it anecdote - that contends that Heart Defect survivors from the 1950's and early 1960's tend to also have cancer. The reasoning is that in the early days of Congenital Cardiac care (when nobody knew nothing) those kids underwent every type of scan and x-ray that there was.

286 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:57pm

re: #282 spacejesus

two of every lizard


I nominate you and austin blue.

287 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:51:04pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

he urged them to convert to Islam and told them Christianity was based on a fraud

I guess he wasn't an advocate of the attempt of the UN body that sought to ban criticism of religion.

288 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:52:07pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

btw: I was totally supporting Dede's candidacy in NY23, was disgusted by Doug Hoffman and his troglodyte supporters, and even more disgusted by Palin's intervention in the race. Despite all this, there's just something there. and something about her I like. and i've kind of given up trying to explain or justify it, other than to point out that pre-becoming a national figure there was a lot even LGF readers could've liked about her (what John McCain saw), and yeah, she's gone hard-right as of late, but in so far as those seem to be the only people who don't consider her a witch and/or a moron, I guess I sort of understand. If more moderate Republicans like myself spoke up for her and her record, as governor, maybe she'd be reminded again of her more independent roots. after the campaign, she sees the Washington GOP establishment as her enemy, because she feels like they stabbed her in the back. in some ways, people like Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan did. but the response to that shouldn't be to run into Glenn Beck and Pat Buchanan's arms. Im giving her some time to stabilize. I mean, who else on here has been basically pilloried by the entire country? she's embracing the only people who defended her.

289 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:54:29pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

How go the slug preserving containers?
Have you considered "slug hunting" by night?
I use pliers & a baggie of salt, rather than fingers...

290 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:55:19pm

Time magazine hits new low...

Bigoted Religious Extremists

There are today several odious attempts by Jewish extremists, like this one by Martin Peretz and this one by La Pasionaria of the Neocons, to argue that the massacre perpetrated by Nidal Hasan was somehow a direct consequence of his Islamic beliefs as opposed to a direct consequence of his insanity. To be sure, extreme religious beliefs and violent insanity are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they tend to track--among fanatics of all religions. There was, for example, the lunatic Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, who opened fire on Muslims praying at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron in 1994, killing 24 and wounding more than 100. There was also the lunatic Jewish settler who assassinated Yitzak Rabin. I can't remember many Jews calling these effusions of violence as a natural consequence of devout Judaism. They were acts of psychopathy, as was Hasan's bloodbath.

Do extremely religious people tend to be more psychologically damaged than less religious people? I doubt it, but it's not a bad question: Do any readers have access to polling or academic studies about the incidence of violent insanity among the devout?

In the meantime, we should identify the notion that Hasan's act was somehow a consequence of his religious orthodoxy for what it is: anti-Islamic bigotry.

291 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:56:21pm

H1N1 at the Hajj

According to Muslim beliefs, for example, men in a state of pilgrimage should not wear any stitched items or touch alcohol. So what about wearing face masks or using alcohol-based sanitizers?

"One of the basic principles on which shariah (Islamic law) is based is the protection of the health," he says. "So if protection of the health is of such paramount importance, then the ritualistic significance of not wearing stitched clothes on your body is subservient to the need to maintain good health. And therefore wearing a mask is important. Using the sanitizer, which prevents this disease from spreading to others, is important."

292 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:57:40pm

re: #288 rollwave87

Heh...well if I took what Jimmah or iceweasel have been saying at face value, she apparently morphed from 'Bible Spice' to a full-fledged socialist in pretty short order.

293 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:58:10pm

re: #288 rollwave87

Very good analysis, rollwave. It strikes me as spot-on. However, Cato is still on-thread and I'll wait to see how he treats it before rendering final judgment. If it survives his hostility to all things Palin, then its a keeper.

294 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:59:03pm

re: #285 SteveC

Upthread at 212 I wrote of CT rather than mammogram for comforts sake. But an annual CT would rack up exposure quite a bit. It's a worry. The LA Times has a story where a scanner was set to high intensity as per looking for the most difficult tumor to see. Eight times the normal dose. But by mistake the machine was left on this ultra high setting for hundreds of tests and patients. Then hair started falling out of patients heads.

295 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:02:22pm

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

Time magazine hits new low...

Bigoted Religious Extremists

Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth is going to get people killed.

296 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:02:49pm

re: #294 Rightwingconspirator

Upthread at 212 I wrote of CT rather than mammogram for comforts sake. But an annual CT would rack up exposure quite a bit. It's a worry. The LA Times has a story where a scanner was set to high intensity as per looking for the most difficult tumor to see. Eight times the normal dose. But by mistake the machine was left on this ultra high setting for hundreds of tests and patients. Then hair started falling out of patients heads.

I think I saw that report too. IIRC, that scanner was an MRI - which originally was known as an MNRI for Magnetic Nuclear Resonance Imaging. The N... just sort of disappeared.

/Wonder where it went?

297 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:03:43pm

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

May I?

Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth is going to get has gotten people killed.

298 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:04:47pm

re: #288 rollwave87

There were a lot of folks here at LGF - again, MYSELF included, who were big Palin fans for awhile.

I will say that as time went on, I found myself just hoping she would do OK. She just never lived up to what I originally thought the potential was, and then, honestly, I found myself being less and less impressed with her.

I think as a politician and leader, there just isn't much there. Unlike Cato, however, who seems to think she is a terrible parent, I find myself having a great deal of sympathy with her struggles with her kids, particularly her oldest daughter, probably because I was having similar issues with my own daughter at the time. Honestly - it's not like kids come with an owner's manual. It just ain't easy to know how to handle situations, and you just do the best you can.

299 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:05:36pm

re: #288 rollwave87

btw: I was totally supporting Dede's candidacy in NY23, was disgusted by Doug Hoffman and his troglodyte supporters, and even more disgusted by Palin's intervention in the race. Despite all this, there's just something there. and something about her I like. and i've kind of given up trying to explain or justify it, other than to point out that pre-becoming a national figure there was a lot even LGF readers could've liked about her (what John McCain saw), and yeah, she's gone hard-right as of late, but in so far as those seem to be the only people who don't consider her a witch and/or a moron, I guess I sort of understand. If more moderate Republicans like myself spoke up for her and her record, as governor, maybe she'd be reminded again of her more independent roots. after the campaign, she sees the Washington GOP establishment as her enemy, because she feels like they stabbed her in the back. in some ways, people like Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan did. but the response to that shouldn't be to run into Glenn Beck and Pat Buchanan's arms. Im giving her some time to stabilize. I mean, who else on here has been basically pilloried by the entire country? she's embracing the only people who defended her.

If it weren't for the GOP establishment, we wouldn't know her name. Reagan was able to pick up the ball and run, Palin was not. It's a matter of talent, or lack thereof on her part. That's why she's a joke.

300 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:08:32pm

re: #298 reine.de.tout

Well said. As a person, I wish her the best. As a politician, she won't get my vote.

301 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:09:27pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Very good analysis, rollwave. It strikes me as spot-on. However, Cato is still on-thread and I'll wait to see how he treats it before rendering final judgment. If it survives his hostility to all things Palin, then its a keeper.

Well, there's not a lot there that would lend itself to ridiculing a child with Down's Syndrome, so it's probably Cato-safe.

302 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:10:11pm

re: #297 SteveC

May I?

You certainly may, and I consider my post improved by your change.

303 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:11:03pm

re: #244 eclectic infidel

Yeah. The evangelical crowd prides itself (without knowing it) on TEH STOOPID. They relish every moment...forthesakeofjesuschristomgwtfbbqkthnksbai .

So, how you doin' SpaceJesus?

I think a lot of us have devolved in comparison with our immediate forebears. The people of early modern times, the 17th through the 19th centuries, were ignorant of many things we take for granted but they made the most of what knowledge they did possess.

Equipped with nothing but a crude telescope, a similarly primitive clock, and a quill pen, Ole Roemer determined the velocity of light to a fair degree of accuracy (and by an entirely valid method) in 1667.
In contrast, there are people today who have telephones in their pockets and computers in their homes who nevertheless refuse to believe that vaccines prevent disease, that men really landed on the Moon, or that the Earth is more than 6000 years old.

304 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:11:40pm

re: #289 Floral Giraffe

I've been reduced to going out at night with a flashlight and a pair of scissors. I cut the little fuckers in half. The plastic jug containers work surprisingly well. I've had a few failures when I've managed to trap a slug in with my seedlings. I've modified the procedure to include dropping a few pellets of chelated Iron (Sluggo) into each jug when I seal them up. I'll know in a few weeks if that works but I suspect it will. I think this is going to become standard procedure for direct seeding for me. Works well late in the season so it should also do well for early seeding next year.

305 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:12:00pm

Woman brings her parakeet to the veterinarian. The bird is lying motionless in the cage.

"Doc, I came home from the grocery store and found my parakeet like this! Do something!!!" So the vet examines the bird.

"I'm so sorry Mrs. Jones, but your bird has died."

"DOC, PLEASE! Don't tell me that! Can't you do something?" So the vet goes into the next room and brings out a kitten. The kitten look at the bird, sniffs it, moves it around with a paw, and looks up at the vet and shakes it's head.

'Mrs. Jones, I'm certain -"

"NOOO! Please doc, try something else! Anything!" So the doc goes in the back room and brings out the cutest little puppy. The puppy tries to play with the parakeet, and obviously nothing happens. The dog gently picks up the bird and places him at the end of the table.

"There really is nothing else to do."

"OK, doc," the woman sniffs. "How much do I owe you for trying?"

"Twenty four hundred dollars."

"That's... that's kind of expensive to tell me my parakeet died!"

"The pronouncement was free, but you wanted me to try more. So I did a CAT scan and then ran a Lab Report..."

306 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:12:09pm

re: #301 cliffster

Well, there's not a lot there that would lend itself to ridiculing a child with Down's Syndrome, so it's probably Cato-safe.

cliffster - I think you (and some others) misunderstood Cato's posts. I didn't think Cato was ridiculing Palin's child or his condition; he was ridiculing what I think he believes was Palin's using that child for political gain.

307 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:12:19pm

re: #298 reine.de.tout

Seconding the personal aspect of your post.

For the "not much there" bit, there's reason to think she allowed herself to be handled by McCain's handlers. McCain clearly couldn't campaign himself out of a paper bag in the big time. So, I'd like to see what she does on her own. I don't think it'll ever get to that, but if it does, I'll have an open mind.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:14:31pm

Later lizards. I hope you have a great evening!

309 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:14:41pm

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth is going to get people killed.

They already have. Just by the fact that the left has spent almost 40 years inculcating society with political correctness, just by the fact that the left has constantly equated lack of diversity automatically with bigotry and hatred and just by the fact that the left has labeled any critical thinking as seething and raging, they have actually handcuffed everyone from policeman to the military.

Blood is already on the hands of the left, and it won't wash off.

310 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:16:24pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Pliers and a baggie of salt, is equally rewarding.
If a tad sadistic...
They foam...

311 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:16:50pm

Leonid meteor shower tonight, after about 1 am in the east, apparent source constellation Leo. Very useful atmosphere tonight. (N.O. Ar. Co2). Burning up the projectiles before they hit.

Good night all.

312 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:17:20pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Sluggo mildews into heaps of spreading gunk.
Keep a close eye on it.
I'm not a fan...

313 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:18:02pm

re: #311 Ojoe


Fare thee well, Joseph of the 4th vowel in the alphabet persuasion!

314 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:18:36pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

cliffster - I think you (and some others) misunderstood Cato's posts. I didn't think Cato was ridiculing Palin's child or his condition; he was ridiculing what I think he believes was Palin's using that child for political gain.

I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point. So at best, it was opportunistic usage of a child's difficulties to ridicule that child's mother.

315 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:18:53pm

re: #309 Walter L. Newton

they have actually handcuffed everyone from policeman to the military.

As my contribution to unlocking the handcuffs, I will say

islam sucks the big weenie in hell.

BB tomotrrow.

316 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:19:31pm

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

Good night to you.


BBL ...

317 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:19:52pm

re: #311 Ojoe

Leonid meteor shower tonight, after about 1 am in the east, apparent source constellation Leo. Very useful atmosphere tonight. (N.O. Ar. Co2). Burning up the projectiles before they hit.

Good night all.

Are you still there. Your comment about the atmosphere. As a collector of meteorites and a good basic knowledge about rocks from space, your comment does not compute.

Explain if you are still around?

318 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:20:53pm

re: #310 Floral Giraffe

Pliers and a baggie of salt, is equally rewarding.
If a tad sadistic...
They foam...

ew!

319 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:21:01pm

re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw an entire three second meteor driving up the interstate tonight
going away from me (and it was early (7:30ish?)). If you can be up
between 1 & 3am? I think it'll be a doozie!


Probably a Taurid. We are on the tail end of that shower now.
Taurids are quite slow, but often bright. Leonids are very fast, with few seen before midnight.

320 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:21:06pm

re: #301 cliffster

Well, there's not a lot there that would lend itself to ridiculing a child with Down's Syndrome, so it's probably Cato-safe.

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth is going to get people killed.

Was it the left's failure to admit the truth or the military's failure to ask questions about this guy? Didn't he suggest that Muslim's should be let out of the military? That's a pretty radical suggestion that was missed.

321 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:04pm

re: #314 cliffster

I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point. So at best, it was opportunistic usage of a child's difficulties to ridicule that child's mother.

I'll agree the language was stronger than necessary.

322 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:15pm

I'm STILL reading "a world lit only by fire".

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

And I've gotten up to Lucretia Borgia, the 17 year old, who bore 8 childre in 8 years. And STILL has a bad reputation.

Aren't we LUCKY to live now?

I can't imagine.
(Nor would I be that desireable...)

323 J.S.  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:42pm

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

(As I've noted a zillion times, being antisocial or psychopathic is not the same as being "insane" (as in delusional.) Note the author writes that we should all immediately chalk up the rampage as "a direct consequence of his insanity." Well there is no evidence yet of Hasan's "insanity." That requires a psychiatric assessment...yet to be done. But, again, given Hasan's actions prior to the rampage, calmly giving away all his material possessions, etc., how does that comport with a delusional psychotic? On the surface it appears wholly rational. The whole claim that "He was insane! Insane I tell you!" seems to me to be yet more "excuse-making" -- that is, to make sure the alleged perp is absolved of all criminal accountability. And, this does, unfortunately, seem to fit a pattern among certain journalists...)

324 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:43pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

If there were no atmosphere ALL the little space rocks would reach us on the surface.

Ow ! Ow! Owie ! Ow !

Many more would hit.

Ow Ow Ow !!!

325 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:23:34pm

re: #324 Ojoe

Passes the Bandaid box to Ojoe...

326 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:23:45pm

BBL

327 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:23:46pm

re: #322 Floral Giraffe

I'm STILL reading "a world lit only by fire".

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

And I've gotten up to Lucretia Borgia, the 17 year old, who bore 8 childre in 8 years. And STILL has a bad reputation.

Aren't we LUCKY to live now?

I can't imagine.
(Nor would I be that desireable...)

We are indeed lucky to live now.
Really lucky!

328 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:24:05pm

re: #320 flyers1974

OK...if he was a white evangelical midwesterner named Wagner who approved wholeheartedly the murder of Dr. Tiller in multiple slideshows that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, would his commanders be as reluctant to reprimand or demote him?

329 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:24:13pm

re: #323 J.S.

This situation cries out for a guilty, but insane resulting in being institutionalized for the rest of their life, if we don't hang them to protect the rest of us.

330 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:25:11pm

OFF with their heads, cried the Red Queen.

331 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:27:51pm

re: #320 flyers1974

Was it the left's failure to admit the truth or the military's failure to ask questions about this guy? Didn't he suggest that Muslim's should be let out of the military? That's a pretty radical suggestion that was missed.

So let me get this straight. If you suggest, to the military brass, something that runs counter to one of the core military policies, and said military brass doesn't take your suggestion, then the next logical step is to start shooting your fellow soldiers on their home base? I have a simpler explanation, and it involves things that Time doesn't want to talk about.

332 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:28:25pm

re: #328 Fenway_Nation

OK...if he was a white evangelical midwesterner named Wagner who approved wholeheartedly the murder of Dr. Tiller in multiple slideshows that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, would his commanders be as reluctant to reprimand or demote him?

Word.

333 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:28:43pm

re: #324 Ojoe

If there were no atmosphere ALL the little space rocks would reach us on the surface.

Ow ! Ow! Owie ! Ow !

Many more would hit.

Ow Ow Ow !!!

Then your comment was intended to be a little humor, right? Because it sounded more like you were saying that there was something special about tonight's atmosphere.

And actually, it there was no atmosphere, then the space rocks would not be little. A meteor is normally a large chunk of space rock, which burns up or explodes into smaller pieces. Without the atmosphere, it would be a bunch of LARGE chunks that would reach us on the surface.

And for everyones information, it starts as a planetoid or boloid, when it enters the atmosphere it is a meteor and what arrives on earth is a meteorite.

334 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:29:23pm
335 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:29:51pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

Did he use PowerPoint?

He tried to use his power point.

336 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:31:07pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

I get the feeling that Ojoe was just whimsically trying to get people to go watch the meteor shower tonight. Which I think is a good suggestion; I've seen meteor showers when they're hot and it is definitely worth staying up for.

337 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:31:15pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

I think he pointed at them Powerfully, does that count?

338 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:04pm

re: #323 J.S.

(As I've noted a zillion times, being antisocial or psychopathic is not the same as being "insane" (as in delusional.) Note the author writes that we should all immediately chalk up the rampage as "a direct consequence of his insanity." Well there is no evidence yet of Hasan's "insanity." That requires a psychiatric assessment...yet to be done. But, again, given Hasan's actions prior to the rampage, calmly giving away all his material possessions, etc., how does that comport with a delusional psychotic? On the surface it appears wholly rational. The whole claim that "He was insane! Insane I tell you!" seems to me to be yet more "excuse-making" -- that is, to make sure the alleged perp is absolved of all criminal accountability. And, this does, unfortunately, seem to fit a pattern among certain journalists...)

He is no more or less insane than his creed.

339 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:21pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

Did he use PowerPoint?

Are you accusing him of war crimes?

340 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:37pm

re: #328 Fenway_Nation

OK...if he was a white evangelical midwesterner named Wagner who approved wholeheartedly the murder of Dr. Tiller in multiple slideshows that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, would his commanders be as reluctant to reprimand or demote him?

I don't and can't know for sure, obviously. But this wasn't a nobody making that comment. Its hard for me to believe they are going to ignore that plus the other signs due to political correctness - for the potential cost alone I would think.

341 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:59pm

So kids, what's the hot topic tonight? It's late, and I'm just too damn lazy to read through all the posts.

342 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:34:18pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

Then your comment was intended to be a little humor, right? Because it sounded more like you were saying that there was something special about tonight's atmosphere.

And actually, it there was no atmosphere, then the space rocks would not be little. A meteor is normally a large chunk of space rock, which burns up or explodes into smaller pieces. Without the atmosphere, it would be a bunch of LARGE chunks that would reach us on the surface.

And for everyones information, it starts as a planetoid or boloid, when it enters the atmosphere it is a meteor and what arrives on earth is a meteorite.


According to this article, the particles are quite small even before they reach our atmosphere:

The Leonids are created by the comet Tempel-Tuttle, which passes through the inner solar system every 33 years on its orbit around the sun. Each time by, it leaves a new river of debris, mostly bits of ice and rock no bigger than a sand grain but a few the size of a pea or marble.

343 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:35:01pm

re: #336 cliffster

I get the feeling that Ojoe was just whimsically trying to get people to go watch the meteor shower tonight. Which I think is a good suggestion; I've seen meteor showers when they're hot and it is definitely worth staying up for.

Oh, I agree, but I was just wondering if he was making some scientific statement about the effect of tonight's atmosphere versus any other night. My inquiry was in the interest of accurate science.

It's going down to 15 degrees here tonight. At 8200 feet high in the Rockies, and barely no ambient light, with a large back porch, I have a front row seat to these kinds of events, but I think I will stay warm.

Besides, I have about 50 pounds of meteorites sitting all around this house, if I really want to see fireworks, all I have to do is throw them at my girlfriend.

344 oh_dude  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:35:25pm

If evolution is real, how do you explain the existence of idiots?

345 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:36:35pm

re: #344 oh_dude

If evolution is real, how do you explain the existence of idiots?

Technology and medicine, natural selection no longer applies as much to mankind as it once did.

346 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:37:41pm

re: #345 ausador

Tis a shame really...

/

347 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:37:52pm

re: #342 solomonpanting

Yes, but my statement was in general. We get hit by about 10,000 pounds of space dust each day. My statement was in reference to space rocks that make it to the surface. Ojoe was talking about pieces that make it to the surface. Most space rocks that make it to the surface start out as large boloids which in turn strike our atmosphere as a meteor and usually explodes into smaller pieces.

348 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:39:05pm

re: #331 cliffster

So let me get this straight. If you suggest, to the military brass, something that runs counter to one of the core military policies, and said military brass doesn't take your suggestion, then the next logical step is to start shooting your fellow soldiers on their home base? I have a simpler explanation, and it involves things that Time doesn't want to talk about.

I don't understand your first sentence about the next logical step. My point was that suggesting that members of the military should be able to get out on account of their religion, is a radical idea, at least coming from someone of his rank. That comment deserved looking into.

349 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:40:03pm

re: #344 oh_dude

If evolution is real, how do you explain the existence of idiots?

They continue to play a role as consumers of mass media.

350 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:40:31pm

By the way, this would be a good time to offer my free, own your own 4.3 billion year old piece of space rock offer.

Click on my name, go to my web site and find my email address and if you email me your address, I will send you free some rocks from space, with some interesting printed material.

No scam, no spam, I don't have some business here, just passing on some fun. A lot of Lizards over the years have taken me up on the offer.

So, in honor of tonight's space event, email me and I'll get a package off to you sometime next week.

351 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:40:41pm

re: #314 cliffster

I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point. So at best, it was opportunistic usage of a child's difficulties to ridicule that child's mother.

You accuse me of opportunism when Palin was the one who used her child's Down Syndrome to tug at the idiot emotional heartstrings of the loony right in her lie about "death panels"? I'm the opportunistic one?

Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.

352 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:42:05pm

re: #348 flyers1974

I don't understand your first sentence about the next logical step. My point was that suggesting that members of the military should be able to get out on account of their religion, is a radical idea, at least coming from someone of his rank. That comment deserved looking into.

Fair enough, then, I misinterpreted the point you were making, my apologies. Personally, I think the military probably had their eye on him, and were hoping he would lead them to something bigger. But they didn't anticipate that he'd go vigilante and take up his own personal Jihad instead of waiting to fall in line with a more coordinated one.

353 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:43:22pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

re: #314 cliffster

I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point.

No, you're mistaken.
Oh, wait...

Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.

354 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:43:23pm

re: #327 reine.de.tout

We are indeed lucky to live now.
Really lucky!

The first Congenital Heart Surgery was November 29, 1944 - 65 years ago. If you were born with a heart defect before that, you died. If you were very lucky you made it to your tenth birthday. When news of the new heart operation became public, so many people came to Johns Hopkins Hospital that the surgical team did over 200 operations in a single calendar year. At least one couple actually walked to Baltimore from their home in West Virginia, carrying their sick child.

In 1955 John Gibbon invented the heart/lung machine. The first patient survived. The next three patients died on the operating room table and Gibbon never used it again.

The first "valve repair" took place a few years later. The goal of the operation was to relieve Mitral Valve Stenosis, which is medical jargon for making a small valve bigger. The surgeon literally made a small incision in the heart and pushed his finger through the valve! It worked.

My first operation in 1967 was a relatively new procedure known as the Glenn Shunt. I was 5th in the world to survive.

355 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:43:53pm

re: #343 Walter L. Newton

Besides, I have about 50
pounds of meteorites sitting all around this house, if I really want to
see fireworks, all I have to do is throw them at my girlfriend.


That's about ten times the mass of my collection! What's your favorite piece? Mine is a small slice of Vesta.

356 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:45:31pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

The last sentence of your comment is not only idiotic but inhuman and beyond the pale.
Withdraw.

357 wee fury  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:45:52pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

That is harsh. Could you provide a link to prove the statement, please.

358 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:46:06pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

You accuse me of opportunism when Palin was the one who used her child's Down Syndrome to tug at the idiot emotional heartstrings of the loony right in her lie about "death panels"? I'm the opportunistic one?

Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.

I invoke Godwin, this is a clear violation of thread neutrality ordinances as signed by all parties at the Geneva conference.

359 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:46:07pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

re: #352 cliffster

Fair enough, then, I misinterpreted the point you were making, my apologies. Personally, I think the military probably had their eye on him, and were hoping he would lead them to something bigger. But they didn't anticipate that he'd go vigilante and take up his own personal Jihad instead of waiting to fall in line with a more coordinated one.

I'm not a fan of political correctness myself. I just think there was more than meets the eye here, such as lack of personnel, crossed communication or as you said, he acted before the government acted, etc..., his comments seem too bizarre to ignore for mere reasons of political correctness,

360 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:46:33pm

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

Done!

361 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:47:47pm

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

The last sentence of your comment is not only idiotic but inhuman and beyond the pale.
Withdraw.

No.

362 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:47:49pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

You accuse me of opportunism when Palin was the one who used her child's Down Syndrome to tug at the idiot emotional heartstrings of the loony right in her lie about "death panels"? I'm the opportunistic one?

Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.

It's your life, you rationalize all the hateful words that you want. Palin is just trying to raise her kid as best she can and whatever you say doesn't hurt her one bit.

363 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:48:43pm

re: #354 SteveC

Congratulations!
You are so very lucky!

My father had one of the first spinal fusions ever done.
They fused 18 inches of his spine.
He didn't bend at the waist.
He spent 2 years flat on his back, in bed, once he got out of the hospital.
He was so very very grateful all of his life, to have been able to walk.
He was not an easy father.
But I always appreciated his struggles with his back.
And the pain.

I miss him.

364 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:49:23pm

re: #312 Floral Giraffe

Sluggo mildews into heaps of spreading gunk.
Keep a close eye on it.
I'm not a fan...

That's the worst haiku I've seen today.

365 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:50:45pm

re: #363 Floral Giraffe

I miss him.

*Hugs*

366 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:51:03pm

re: #355 HypnoToad

That's about ten times the mass of my collection! What's your favorite piece? Mine is a small slice of Vesta.

My special favorite is my Brahin pallasite slice. But the pieces that garner the most interest is my 20mg Mars piece and my 30mg lunar piece. I also have a good selection of various types of impacta.

My all around favorite is the lowly NWA 869. A good slice of that rock is the ultimate example of everything there is to see in a stoney. It's really a classic piece for it's educational qualities.

367 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:51:37pm

re: #361 Cato the Elder

No.

I'm with you Cato. I remember when it was very uncool to even mildly suggest that Palin wasn't all as advertised. I remember Ice Weasel being politely advised not to critisize her because people here felt protective of Palin. It has been a while since the Summer of Palin craziness, people forget, I think.

368 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:51:55pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

Cato, I'm going to assume you're drunk and invoke the Iron Fist rule instead of reporting your ass. If you are in fact sober, then you have something seriously wrong with you. That statement in not only untrue, but in fact downright vile.

P.S: The rule doesn't change its name. It's not its fault that its originator decided to be an asshole and get himself banned.

369 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:52:00pm

re: #360 Irenicum

Done!

And as all Lizards know, I respect and honor you email address. I don't use it for anything other than to contact you if needed.

I'll get you out some rocks next week.

370 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:52:31pm

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

4.3 Billion years ehh?
That number seems suspiciously familiar somehow, hmm, what do we all know about that is 4.3 Billion years old?

/(or 6000 according to Ray Comfort)

371 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:53:54pm

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

Excellent! Check your e-mail.

372 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:54:13pm

re: #366 Walter L. Newton

Cool collection! I've held both Mars and Lunar specimens, but don't have any. Mostly Nickel Irons in mine. Plus a lot of tektites.

373 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:54:25pm

re: #367 flyers1974

I'm with you Cato. I remember when it was very uncool to even mildly suggest that Palin wasn't all as advertised. I remember Ice Weasel being politely advised not to critisize her because people here felt protective of Palin. It has been a while since the Summer of Palin craziness, people forget, I think.

Noone deserves the slanderous hate-libel contained in the last sentence of the comment which you support. Shame on you too.

374 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:55:02pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Cato, I'm going to assume you're drunk and invoke the Iron Fist rule instead of reporting your ass. If you are in fact sober, then you have something seriously wrong with you. That statement in not only untrue, but in fact downright vile.

P.S: The rule doesn't change its name. It's not its fault that its originator decided to be an asshole and get himself banned.

I am stone-cold sober. I think Palin would do anything for power. Report away.

re: #367 flyers1974

I'm with you Cato. I remember when it was very uncool to even mildly suggest that Palin wasn't all as advertised. I remember Ice Weasel being politely advised not to critisize her because people here felt protective of Palin. It has been a while since the Summer of Palin craziness, people forget, I think.

There was a woman on here who got something like 493 downdings for saying things about Palin back during the campaign that would be considered mild today. Someone should invite her back to LGF.

375 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:55:22pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

What the hell is wrong with you?

376 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:55:31pm

re: #373 Spare O'Lake

Noone deserves the slanderous hate-libel contained in the last sentence of the comment which you support. Shame on you too.

Who is "Noone"?

377 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:12pm

re: #299 flyers1974

If it weren't for the GOP establishment, we wouldn't know her name. Reagan was able to pick up the ball and run, Palin was not. It's a matter of talent, or lack thereof on her part. That's why she's a joke.

I totally agree with you that Palin's anger at the GOP establishment is misplaced. especially her treatment of Steve Schmidt. just imagine, he put his entire career on the line making the case for McCain to pick her, and now she completely throws him under the bus. that is pretty inexcusable, unless he really is like some sort of really cruel douche. but i met him when he came here to tulane for james carville's class, and have seen him on cpsan, and he seems like a pretty nice guy.

all that said, a joke she most certainly is not. if she were really a joke, would the nation magazine feel the need to put out an anti-palin book at the same time going rogue comes out?

378 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:28pm

re: #370 ausador

4.3 Billion years ehh?
That number seems suspiciously familiar somehow, hmm, what do we all know about that is 4.3 Billion years old?

/(or 6000 according to Ray Comfort)

Most of the material that makes up our physical solar system came into existence about 4.3 billion years ago, while the sun was still in it's proto stage and surround by a spiral cloud of gas.

So whether is be a whole planet, an asteroid or a meteor, it all comes from that material spinning around the proto-sun.

It's amazing to be able to hold something that old in your hand.

379 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:35pm

re: #364 Guanxi88

That's the worst haiku I've seen today.

OMG,
It was supposed to be Haiku!
*Smacks forhead in distress*
On second thought, pours another glass of wine!

*clink*

380 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:55pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

Who is "Noone"?

That's the guy that's justified in saying the crap that you say.

381 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:56pm

re: #371 Shiplord Kirel

Excellent! Check your e-mail.

I send it out next week.

382 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:57:01pm

re: #372 HypnoToad

Cool collection! I've held both Mars and Lunar specimens, but don't have any. Mostly Nickel Irons in mine. Plus a lot of tektites.

Dad-gummit, Lizards got interesting hobbies! I'm kinda out of place - All I've got is a couple of vintage baseball cards running around here someplace...

/Pee Wee Reese and Bob Gibson FTW!

383 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:57:25pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

Who is "Noone"?

He was saying Peggy Noone deserved your comment, I think.

384 flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:58:07pm

re: #383 flyers1974

He was saying Peggy Noone deserved your comment, I think.

My bad, that would be Noonan.

385 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:58:31pm

Toshiba Space Chair Project

The chair took 83 minutes to reach an altitude of 98,268 feet and just 24 minutes to fall back to earth

386 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:58:52pm

Appropriate:

re: #300 Sharmuta

Well said. As a person, I wish her the best. As a politician, she won't get my vote.


Completely inappropriate, and downright mean and nasty:

re: #351 Cato the Elder

Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.

Dude. Seriously.

387 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:18pm

Palin Palin Palin. Enough! Good grief, what is the fascination with her, one way or another? She's an ex-governor of Alaska and a former VP candidate.

There are actual VP's I bet no one here can even remember after at least 4 years in office.

I don't get it. OK, you hate her. OK, you love her. She's really not relevant right now. This is becoming worse than seeing Jennifer Anniston on every gossip mag in the checkout stand for the last five years. For crying out loud, people are discussing what was on Oprah today in LGF?

388 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:20pm

re: #382 SteveC

Dad-gummit, Lizards got interesting hobbies! I'm kinda out of place - All I've got is a couple of vintage baseball cards running around here someplace...

/Pee Wee Reese and Bob Gibson FTW!

All I've got are rookie cards for Cal Ripkin and Ken Griffey, Jr.

389 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:25pm

re: #377 rollwave87

I totally agree with you that Palin's anger at the GOP establishment is misplaced. especially her treatment of Steve Schmidt. just imagine, he put his entire career on the line making the case for McCain to pick her, and now she completely throws him under the bus. that is pretty inexcusable, unless he really is like some sort of really cruel douche. but i met him when he came here to tulane for james carville's class, and have seen him on cpsan, and he seems like a pretty nice guy.

all that said, a joke she most certainly is not. if she were really a joke, would the nation magazine feel the need to put out an anti-palin book at the same time going rogue comes out?

Sarah Palin is the Megan Fox of politics. Expect there to be a "letter from the tech crew" soon, telling what she's really like to work with.

No, she's not a joke. The fact that she's still being taking seriously on the right is proof of that. Shudder.

390 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:27pm

re: #354 SteveC

You remind me of the stories my mother told me of my surgeries. I was born with a heart murmur and a cleft lip and cleft pallet. My murmur wasn't operated on. Thankfully it wasn't serious enough. But my clefts were. I had numerous surgeries throughout my infancy and early childhood. My surgeon got his experience in Korea treating war wounds. To this day I see other people my age with less severe cases having more noticeable scars than I ever had or have. I will always be grateful for the work of my doctor and those around him in getting this "new" technique used. My life was and is immeasurably improved and positively impacted by that. Modern medicine is a miracle of science.

391 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:00:50pm

re: #372 HypnoToad

Cool collection! I've held both Mars and Lunar specimens, but don't have any. Mostly Nickel Irons in mine. Plus a lot of tektites.

And iron meteorites are my least favorite for some reason. I guess I just dig the various petrology found in chondrites. Etching patterns in irons don't do much for me. Pallasites and mesosiderites (like Vaca Muerta) are much more interesting.

392 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:01:07pm

re: #387 borgcube

I'm sorry you are disappointed by what people want to talk about.

393 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:02:15pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

it's amazing how differently people can see things. I saw her playing with Trig on Oprah today and let me tell you, if the love her family was showing that cute little guy was all an act, the Palin's are the damn best actors in human history. I actually got a little teary eyed watching it. Im pro-choice, but I even respected what she was saying about abortion. Who the hell are you to judge someone in that position? Ive personally known someone who had an abortion because they found out their baby was down syndrome. i didnt judge her. but i sure as hell dont judge sarah palin for not being ashamed of her son, either. id just hope shed have the same philosophy if they were gay...

394 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:02:44pm

re: #388 solomonpanting

All I've got are rookie cards for Cal Ripkin and Ken Griffey, Jr.

Now, I've got a card from 1910, one of the tabacco cards. It's someone no one has ever heard of and it is in rough shape, but it was from NINETEEN-FREAKIN'-TEN! and I could afford it.

395 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:03:19pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

Thank you. I look forward to my mail!

396 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:04:26pm

re: #392 cliffster

I'm disappointed that you're dissappointed that borgcube is dissappointed.

397 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:04:31pm

re: #387 borgcube

[...] For crying out loud, people are discussing what was on Oprah today in LGF?

Why do you hate Oprah?

398 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:04:47pm

re: #387 borgcube

For crying out loud, people are discussing what was on Oprah today in LGF?

love her or hate her, people that know people know that sarah palin just brings out a certain visceral emotion in others. i would both myself and people like cato in this camp. that force is stupid to ignore. to do so is basically to stick your head in the sand.

399 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:05:11pm

re: #392 cliffster

Sorry. What I meant is that I don't get the insane passions she brings out in people and it just seems like every discussion about her turns into either crazy ranting or People Magazine rubbish.

400 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:05:20pm

re: #394 SteveC

Now, I've got a card from 1910, one of the tabacco cards. It's someone no one has ever heard of and it is in rough shape, but it was from NINETEEN-FREAKIN'-TEN! and I could afford it.

Meteorites can be very inexpensive, considering. You can have small 40-50 gram chunks for 5-10 dollars. Lunar and Martian meteorites are pricey. I paid almost 150 dollars for a 20 milligram fragment of a Martian meteorite. But it's amazing to hold a piece of friggin Mars in your hand.

401 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:05:41pm

re: #396 Fenway_Nation

Now, THAT was funny.

402 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:06:30pm

re: #394 SteveC

Now, I've got a card from 1910, one of the tabacco cards. It's someone no one has ever heard of and it is in rough shape, but it was from NINETEEN-FREAKIN'-TEN! and I could afford it.

That's fantastic. Got a spare Honus Wager lying around?

403 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:06:49pm

So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?

404 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:07:29pm

re: #396 Fenway_Nation

I'm disappointed that you're dissappointed that borgcube is dissappointed.

I wasn't "disappointed", I was "sorry". So I'm disappointed that you are inappropriately disappointed in my disappointment in borgcube's disappointment.

405 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:07:32pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

That would be Chargers. Thanks Sharmuta!

406 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:07:51pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Meteorites can be very inexpensive, considering. You can have small 40-50 gram chunks for 5-10 dollars. Lunar and Martian meteorites are pricey. I paid almost 150 dollars for a 20 milligram fragment of a Martian meteorite. But it's amazing to hold a piece of friggin Mars in your hand.

I'm taking you up on your offer. Email on the way.

I like old coins. You can get decent Greek and Roman ones for far less than you might imagine. I wear around my neck a Trajan coin that was made around the time the New Testament was being written.

407 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:08:54pm

re: #402 solomonpanting

That's fantastic. Got a spare Honus Wager lying around?

Well, if you don't mind the word REPRINT on the back, the answer is yes! :)

408 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:10:54pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?

They traded {him} and {the other fellow} hurt his knee. I think we're down the drain.

//Wait 'till next year!

409 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:12:12pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?

Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"

410 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:12:51pm

If you're near NorCal you can see the Space shuttle fly over in about one minute.

Outside.

411 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:10pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

I started with the irons and use them for display to school groups. The kids love how heavy they are for their size. I need to round out my collection a bit, I only have one small stony individual.

412 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:34pm

re: #409 cliffster

Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"

I've always used it as a humorous way to change the subject, not to make fun of anyone.

413 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:38pm

re: #408 SteveC

Wait 'till next year!

So, you're a Cubs fan?

//

414 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:43pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?

They lost, again. By a feildgoal in the last minutes of the game...but, but, it is because it is a "rebuilding year", just like every year except for one in recent history.

415 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:14:35pm

re: #409 cliffster

Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"

Because caring which team puts which kind of ball over what line is kinda dumb?

416 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:14:55pm

re: #374 Cato the Elder

There was a woman on here who got something like 493 downdings for saying things about Palin back during the campaign that would be considered mild today. Someone should invite her back to LGF.

she's probably pretty well settled in at CodePink's site by now, no?

417 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:15:28pm

re: #413 solomonpanting

So, you're a Cubs fan?

//

South Carolina Gamecock. Google our football history - next year never comes and/or we have the patience of Job.

418 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:15:44pm

re: #397 Bagua

Besides the fact that she is the symbolic leader of an ever growing number of American touchy feely mega wussies straight-jacketed by their desire to have it all while risking nothing to get it? Or was it something else you were asking?

419 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:16:16pm

re: #416 rollwave87

she's probably pretty well settled in at CodePink's site by now, no?

I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.

420 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:16:38pm

re: #415 Cato the Elder

Because caring which team puts which kind of ball over what line is kinda dumb?

yeah. true. attacking someone's motives for not aborting their baby is a much better way to spend your time.

421 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:17:54pm

re: #406 Cato the Elder

I'm taking you up on your offer. Email on the way.

I like old coins. You can get decent Greek and Roman ones for far less than you might imagine. I wear around my neck a Trajan coin that was made around the time the New Testament was being written.

I know. I collect ancient Greek and Roman, although m collection is at a minimum right now since I had to sell off a lot of my high power pieces over the last 5 years to make ends meet. Most of my good stuff were in the 400 to 2000 dollar range.

422 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:18:00pm

re: #418 borgcube

Besides the fact that she is the symbolic leader of an ever growing number of American touchy feely mega wussies straight-jacketed by their desire to have it all while risking nothing to get it?

And a kingmaker in politics. And a rainmaker for authors. Want to get an office you're unqualified for? Wanna have sales out of all proportion to your talent? Oprah.

423 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:18:41pm

re: #406 Cato the Elder

By the way, the script is in the email to you, space rocks next week.

424 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:19:26pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?


I care not for pro sports of any kind. There are more important things to do with my time.

Except when the Packers are playing.

425 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:20:13pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

Cato,
I agree with you on many issues. And I'm more than willing to post a story about Pailn's awful lack of leadership or even knowledge of what makes someone ready for national leadership. And yet I cannot stand by and let what you said be uncorrected. I know you see her as a stain on our national politics. On that I agree. But to accuse her of being willing to give up her child to a Mengele is beyond the pale. Please understand what you're invoking. There is absolutely no reason to go the extent that you went with your statement. As a fellow lizard who considers you a friend please reconsider what you've said. Rhetoric is powerful. And if used wrongly can be poisonous. On this point I think you went too far.

426 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:20:17pm

re: #420 rollwave87

yeah. true. attacking someone's motives for not aborting their baby is a much better way to spend your time.

When did I ever say such a thing? I said Palin used Trig's disability to further her lie about death panels. That's a simple statement of fact.

I never said anything one way or the other re Palin and abortion. Never.

That I believe she'd do damn near anything to achieve power is my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But don't put words in my mouth.

427 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:20:50pm

re: #424 HypnoToad

I care not for pro sports of any kind. There are more important things to do with my time.

Except when the Packers are playing.

And here I thought you were a smart man, instead you're just a cheesehead.

/entirely kidding. Just a Bears fan ribbing a Packers fan, though the Packers are certainly having a better year.

428 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:21:46pm

re: #417 SteveC

South Carolina Gamecock. Google our football history - next year never comes and/or we have the patience of Job.

The other USC? Sorry, no disrespect.
All-time record 532–531–44 (.501)
I've seen worse.

429 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:22:01pm

re: #418 borgcube

Besides the fact that she is the symbolic leader of an ever growing number of American touchy feely mega wussies straight-jacketed by their desire to have it all while risking nothing to get it? Or was it something else you were asking?

Empress of vast legions of easily-swayed lowbrows; purveyor of misplaced compassion and moral myopia masquerading as enlightenment; she who inflicted, inter alia, Deepak Chopra and that ranting fool who wrote that bible for the terminally self-involved, "The Secret".

Someday, there'll be the cultural equivalent of the Nuremberg Tribunals. All those hauled up (the aforementioned authors, Tom Cruise, the anti-vaxxers, the new agers, the professional autism "advocates" and assorted intellectual and cultural polluters will all point the finger at Oprah. "just following trends" will be their shallow and empty defense, and they'll all shift the blame to her.

430 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:22:44pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

Cato I hope you will keep posting.
I admit to not understanding everything that you post, but I am glad for the opportunity to learn from you.
I get that you have PDS, but that's OK. Lots of us have DS going on right now.
Please consider this an encouragement post.
Thanks!

431 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:23:12pm

re: #409 cliffster

Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"

That's because everyone's team is different, not because I'm not a sports fan. I love sports, I'm just not good at them. Except badminton.

432 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:09pm

re: #405 borgcube

That would be Chargers. Thanks Sharmuta!

And how are your Lightening Bolts this year?

433 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:15pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

LOL!
When I played, we called in Good Minton!
*whack*

434 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:30pm

re: #430 Floral Giraffe

I don't take it that he has any PDS or any other type of derangement. The man does not suffer fools.

435 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:40pm

re: #424 HypnoToad

I care not for pro sports of any kind. There are more important things to do with my time.

Except when the Packers are playing.

So- how about that Brett Favre?

436 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:25:02pm

re: #428 solomonpanting

The other USC? Sorry, no disrespect.
All-time record 532–531–44 (.501)

I didn't realize it was this close. We've won 1 more game than we've lost.

*Sigh* I support a socialist football team.

437 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:25:08pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

That's because everyone's team is different, not because I'm not a sports fan. I love sports, I'm just not good at them. Except badminton.

So your good at batting cocks?

/yikes

438 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:25:12pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

That's because everyone's team is different, not because I'm not a sports fan. I love sports, I'm just not good at them. Except badminton.

I think my college's badminton team could kick the *** out of your college's badminton team!

439 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:26:08pm

re: #419 Cato the Elder

I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.

"user:annefrance" and set the search date to last fall.

440 Neutral President  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:26:15pm

re: #432 Sharmuta

And how are your Lightening Bolts this year?

They seem to be turning around what was looking to possibly a dismal season. Still not expecting a Super Bowl appearance though.

441 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:26:42pm

re: #437 ausador

So your good at batting cocks?

/yikes

LMAO!

442 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:28:16pm

re: #437 ausador

So your good at batting cocks?

/yikes

Knee, meet crotch!

*introductions are made!*

(breathless) Ple..pleased to meet ya... *moan!*

443 Neutral President  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:28:17pm

re: #419 Cato the Elder

I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.

The veil covering the full extent of her inner kook was not yet lifted at that time though. People has uncritical adoration of her that was equivalent to the people fainting at Obama campaign speeches. Now... not so much.

444 Neutral President  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:29:14pm

re: #443 ArchangelMichael

people had uncritical adoration

PIMF

445 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:00pm

re: #443 ArchangelMichael

The veil covering the full extent of her inner kook was not yet lifted at that time though. People has uncritical adoration of her that was equivalent to the people fainting at Obama campaign speeches. Now... not so much.

Two sides of the same counterfeit coin.

446 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:17pm

re: #419 Cato the Elder

I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.

I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.

447 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:23pm

re: #429 Guanxi88

I think you've been watching a bit much.

I must add this however to be in full disclosure: I have benefited immensely in my business (not directly of course) from her farcical interviews and shows dealing with a certain area of health and wellness.

We laugh all the way to the bank. Thanks Oprah.

448 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:38pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

When did I ever say such a thing? I said Palin used Trig's disability to further her lie about death panels. That's a simple statement of fact.

I never said anything one way or the other re Palin and abortion. Never.

That I believe she'd do damn near anything to achieve power is my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But don't put words in my mouth.

I guess the angle Im seeing things from is that she's been continuously accused of using Trig as some sort of prop, but all Ive ever seen her do is love him like a mother would love any newborn baby. So if someone says that by doing simply that she's using him, the logical conclusion would be that the only way for her not to use him would be to never have had him at all, if all she does is treat him like any normal baby would be treated. in other words, if merely taking your disabled baby out in public means you're trying to use them, what's the alternative?

449 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:31:12pm

re: #425 Irenicum

Would you be happier if I said, "Palin would gussy up a loser like Levi Johnston and try to make him look like a stand-up guy just for show because she needed to front for the Socons at the convention; she'd quit in the middle of her term as governor because the gold was winking at her from the lower 48; she'd shamelessly use her son's Down Syndrome to further a lie for political gain; she'd collaborate with White Supremacists; and I'm pretty sure there's not much she wouldn't do to gain power"?

Because all of those things are true, and my harsh rhetoric was meant to highlight just what a mendacious, opportunistic, conscienceless person she is. Apparently it backfired. Oh, well.

450 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:31:34pm

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

And here I thought you were a smart man, instead you're just a cheesehead.

/entirely kidding. Just a Bears fan ribbing a Packers fan, though the Packers are certainly having a better year.

Harrrumph! Not just a cheesehead, a Native Wisconsin Cheesehead! Although I've now been in SoCal for decades.

Yesterday was filled with pizza, icecream, a widescreen tv at my sister's, and beating Dallas. Dosn't get better than that!

451 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:32:22pm

re: #450 HypnoToad

Where in Sconi?

452 Flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:32:45pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

When did I ever say such a thing? I said Palin used Trig's disability to further her lie about death panels. That's a simple statement of fact.

I never said anything one way or the other re Palin and abortion. Never.

That I believe she'd do damn near anything to achieve power is my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But don't put words in my mouth.

People must be focusing on your use of the name "Mengele" and are reading too much into that. Others have mentioned Palin using Trig to hype the "death panels" thing and there was much accord, very little dissent, at least as can be seen from the comments.

453 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:32:55pm

re: #447 borgcube

I think you've been watching a bit much.

I must add this however to be in full disclosure: I have benefited immensely in my business (not directly of course) from her farcical interviews and shows dealing with a certain area of health and wellness.

We laugh all the way to the bank. Thanks Oprah.

At one of my many gigs, we can tell when She has been talking about what the professionals there do. It;s funny that she can drive so many middle-class hausfrauen to try Chinese medicine. She's good for business, bad for America.

454 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:24pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.

My goodness, there are people on that list that I have net seen before or since!

Comments posted: 18
Karma -619

That's the ultimate "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!!"

455 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:39pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.

Yeah, that sounds a lot like stuff that Charles has been posting lately. I guess Cato was right

// get a grip

456 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:50pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.

here's the money quote from her: "I understood at first why the Republican party would choose someone as "pure et dure" (pure and hard) as this woman, who thought it wise to bring a fifth child into the world who has Down's Syndrome. "

i honestly can't even respond to that. so what's the criteria for aborting babies? maybe since im gay, and there was some prenatal way to tell, my parents should have just aborted me too...i mean, what the hell. and im pro-choice, at least, i thought i was until i read some of these sick comments.

457 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:56pm

re: #439 Sharmuta

"user:annefrance" and set the search date to last fall.

Too complicated: Cato, simply ask Sherman to set the wayback machine to September of 2008 and log onto LGF when you get there.

458 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:35:31pm

For Cato:

459 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:36:23pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.

Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.

460 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:36:36pm

re: #451 Sharmuta

Where in Sconi?


San Dimas/ LaVerne area.

461 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:05pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.

She was, in her way, a premature anti-Palinist, for those who get the reference.

462 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:06pm

re: #432 Sharmuta

Well, back from the dead as usual. For now. Certain to disappoint again if they make the playoffs. It's like that here. We're the only major city in the US to have never won any major anything sports related. Hell, Dennis Conner even lost the America's Cup for the US for the first time in something like 900 years because it was held San Diego.

Everyone thinks Cubs fans have it bad. Ha! You don't know sports hell until you follow the Chargers and Padres. But follow them I will.

463 SteveC  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:08pm

Well, I'm outta here. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!

464 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:51pm

re: #456 rollwave87

That's the things about being pro-choice. That means it's the woman's choice and that comment was disgusting and cruel in that there is nothing wrong with the decision Sarah made.

465 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:38:00pm

re: #449 Cato the Elder

Would you be happier if I said, "Palin would gussy up a loser like Levi Johnston and try to make him look like a stand-up guy just for show because she needed to front for the Socons at the convention; she'd quit in the middle of her term as governor because the gold was winking at her from the lower 48; she'd shamelessly use her son's Down Syndrome to further a lie for political gain; she'd collaborate with White Supremacists; and I'm pretty sure there's not much she wouldn't do to gain power"?

Because all of those things are true, and my harsh rhetoric was meant to highlight just what a mendacious, opportunistic, conscienceless person she is. Apparently it backfired. Oh, well.

Honestly, Cato, if you had said that I would not have downdinged you or gotten mad. But your statement that she holds her own child in such low regard was on the line. You need to govern your anger towards Sarah Palin better. She's not a monster.

466 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:39:10pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.

Considering "Annefrancis" couldn't even spot a photo shop... "Where I might have otherwise been amused by the silly photo of Sarah Palin in a Stars 'n Stripes bikini, toting a shotgun, all I see now is trailer trash - no, worse than trailer trash" I would hold most of her comment as someone who has an agenda more than intelligence.

467 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:14pm

re: #460 HypnoToad

San Dimas/ LaVerne area.

Where in Wisconsin is that?

468 Flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:22pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.

And I bet if you took the politics out of that comment, i.e., if it were a comment about john doe, no one would have bothered to down ding it - certainly not 400+.

469 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:48pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.

I also object to her comments about Bristol Palin. She seems to think that Bristol should have had an abortion. That she could be so cavalier about such a thing is much of what richly earned her so many downdings.

470 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:58pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

Maybe annefrance is working for MSNBC now...

471 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:59pm

re: #468 Flyers1974

And I bet if you took the politics out of that comment, i.e., if it were a comment about john doe, no one would have bothered to down ding it - certainly not 400+.

No one likes to see their idols have feet of clay. No one.

472 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:41:03pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

[...]I would hold most of her comment as someone who has an agenda more than intelligence.

A vile agenda at that.

473 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:41:33pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.

I appreciate that you're disassociating yourself from that statement. my hunch is that you wouldn't have lauded this annefrance woman if you knew she actually said that. and i know what its like to feel really passionately about something on this blog, and get frustrated when you feel like everyone else should see it and but they don't (see: me and gay marriage). but i mean, im trying to think of the politicians i hate the most in the world (ron paul, ned lamont, pat buchanan come to mind), and i could see myself saying some pretty vile things about their appearance (i call ron paul 'runt paul'), or even making nazi allegories like you did, but not with their baby. that, i just dont get.

474 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:41:54pm

re: #469 Dark_Falcon

I also object to her comments about Bristol Palin. She seems to think that Bristol should have had an abortion. That she could be so cavalier about such a thing is much of what richly earned her so many downdings.

She seems to suggest that Bristol may not have had a choice, which I find easy to believe.

475 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:42:46pm

re: #462 borgcube

Everyone thinks Cubs fans have it bad. Ha! You don't know sports hell until you follow the Chargers and Padres. But follow them I will.

Well- there's the Buffalo Bills...

476 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:42:51pm

re: #467 Sharmuta

Where in Wisconsin is that?

Oops, thought you meant SoCal. Originally from the southern part of Wis. Janesville.

477 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:43:10pm

re: #476 HypnoToad

Oops, thought you meant SoCal. Originally from the southern part of Wis. Janesville.

I have been to Janesville!

478 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:43:19pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.

You claimed that her record-setting comment has been echoed by Charles lately, which I'm betting you're now unwilling to stand behind. And you've said things that are equally vile, which I know though I'm not going to search through every single comment you've made to back that statement up. Like I said, in the end it's your life and you spew whatever hate you like.

479 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:44:26pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

She seems to suggest that Bristol may not have had a choice, which I find easy to believe.

Are you saying that Bristol was punished with a baby?

480 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:44:53pm

re: #461 Guanxi88

She was, in her way, a premature anti-Palinist, for those who get the reference.

I'm afraid that one is over my head...

481 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:45:16pm

re: #475 Sharmuta

Well- there's the Buffalo Bills...

The Bills made a fun toy for the Cowboys and 49'ers in the 90's. Everyone plays their role..

482 Flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:45:56pm

re: #471 Guanxi88

No one likes to see their idols have feet of clay. No one.

How are you, Guanxi88, I've been away for a while.

483 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:46:41pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

She seems to suggest that Bristol may not have had a choice, which I find easy to believe.

It's your right to think that, but I don't agree. More than anything, it was AF's attitude towards abortion that I disliked. I'm pro-life, and I found her advocacy of actions that would have ended two lives before they had begung to be ugly and vile.

484 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:47:06pm

re: #480 Cato the Elder

I'm afraid that one is over my head...

Premature anti-fascist. used to describe the assorted passle of lefties and commies conned by Uncle Joe to slug it out in the Spanish Civil War against Franco. They were tagged as "premature anti-fascists" as their commitment to the destruction of the Axis was motivated not by patriotic sentiment or love of liberty, but rather by communist ideology and sympathy. they were aligned against the bad guys, but for the wrong reasons, and were there before others.

485 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:47:44pm

re: #475 Sharmuta
re: #462 borgcube


Everyone thinks Cubs fans have it bad. Ha! You don't know sports hell until you follow the Chargers and Padres. But follow them I will.

Well- there's the Buffalo Bills...

But, at least those three have made it to the finals in my lifetime.

486 HypnoToad  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:47:50pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

I have been to Janesville!

A classic "Lincoln slept here" town. (Tallman house) My Sis has a family heirloom mirror with a gilt frame from that house that A.L. may have actually looked into! (that's the family story, its certainly old enough)

487 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:03pm

Palin, sports, abortion, Palin, Palin, Oprah, ancient coins, stargazing, Palin, religion, moon rocks, Palin, sports, China, Palin, sexy Romanian girls, meteor showers, Cheeseheads, LGF time machine, Palin, and of course lots of Sharmuta all in one thread.

Gotta love LGF.

488 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:07pm

re: #478 cliffster

You claimed that her record-setting comment has been echoed by Charles lately, which I'm betting you're now unwilling to stand behind.

Some of it has. The parts about Sarah Palin's character, for instance. I never said Charles would agree with everything in that post, but I doubt it would get more than 20 downdings today. I'd downding it myself for the abortion bits, and upding it for the rest, if such a thing were possible.

489 Guanxi88  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:10pm

re: #482 Flyers1974

How are you, Guanxi88, I've been away for a while.

Busy as hell, actually doing what I'm supposed to be. Otherwise, peachy, and ready to turn in for the night. Damned near 1:00 by me, and gotta be up in 4 and half hourse to start the whole thing all over again.

'Night, honcos.

490 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:35pm

re: #452 Flyers1974

People must be focusing on your use of the name "Mengele" and are reading too much into that.

Do you have any conception of what Mengele actually did to babies and small children?

491 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:50:29pm

re: #479 Bagua

Are you saying that Bristol was punished with a baby?

I'm saying she may not have had any say in the matter. Nothing more, nothing less.

492 Flyers1974  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:50:52pm

re: #490 Spare O'Lake

Do you have any conception of what Mengele actually did to babies and small children?

I know who he was and what he did.

493 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:51:55pm

re: #449 Cato the Elder

As someone who was born "disabled" I guess I'm a little sensitive to the issue. My concern in what you said is that you're ascribing to Sarah Palin, of whom I have no sympathy, a view that is essentially that of Nazis. Does she associate with people who associate with fascistic people. Indeed she does. That troubles me to no end. Does that automatically make her a Nazi? A la giving her baby up to a Mengele? Absolutely not. Her own track record of even having her baby is testament to that. I have a disabled (MRDD) cousin and a niece born out of rape. This is VERY personal to me. Every single life is important. To accuse her of being willing to offer up her baby to a Mengele is beyond opportunism. It's abject evil. Palin is opportunistic to be sure. But nothing in her history says that she would be willing to do what you said. You should take that accusation back. And if you're a Christian, you should repent.

494 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:52:54pm

re: #493 Irenicum

As someone who was born "disabled" I guess I'm a little sensitive to the issue. My concern in what you said is that you're ascribing to Sarah Palin, of whom I have no sympathy, a view that is essentially that of Nazis. Does she associate with people who associate with fascistic people. Indeed she does. That troubles me to no end. Does that automatically make her a Nazi? A la giving her baby up to a Mengele? Absolutely not. Her own track record of even having her baby is testament to that. I have a disabled (MRDD) cousin and a niece born out of rape. This is VERY personal to me. Every single life is important. To accuse her of being willing to offer up her baby to a Mengele is beyond opportunism. It's abject evil. Palin is opportunistic to be sure. But nothing in her history says that she would be willing to do what you said. You should take that accusation back. And if you're a Christian, you should repent.

Quite Concur.

495 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:53:50pm

re: #485 solomonpanting

Understood. But the Cubs have won a WS. And Chicago teams have racked up many other championships. We did have the indoor soccer champs for a decade, but that doesn't really count.

496 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:54:51pm

re: #486 HypnoToad

I've spent a lot of time in Southern Wisconsin. My grandparents had a house there that had once upon a time been a tea room. Legend was Frank Lloyd Wright had tea'd there once, and it's believable since the house is 12 or so miles from his hometown.

497 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:55:50pm

re: #493 Irenicum

Apparently, rhetorical hyperbole is now a sin.

I'll ask my spiritual adviser about that and get back to you, Irenicum.

498 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:57:35pm

re: #491 Cato the Elder

I'm saying she may not have had any say in the matter. Nothing more, nothing less.

You have and ugly fascination with Sarah Palin's family.

499 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:58:49pm

re: #495 borgcube

We did have the indoor soccer champs for a decade, but that doesn't really count.

True, dat!

500 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:59:02pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

It's your right to think that, but I don't agree. More than anything, it was AF's attitude towards abortion that I disliked. I'm pro-life, and I found her advocacy of actions that would have ended two lives before they had begung to be ugly and vile.

abortion is a tough issue. probably the toughest for me. i dont think a society can ever fully eradicate the desire among a small minority of pregnant women to want an abortion, so in a way all roe v. wade does is recognize this fact, and give women a safe way of undergoing a procedure they would undergo some other, more dangerous, way anyhow. there's also the issue of whether a woman, or the government, has control over her own body...

on the other hand, its hard to deny the humanity of a beating heart...I dunno. I guess I just end up saying its better to have it legal and regulated than in back allies. but above all im just glad i wont ever have to make the decision.

501 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:59:50pm

re: #498 Bagua

You have and ugly fascination with Sarah Palin's family.

Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.

502 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:02:01pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.

I'm guessing that you wouldn't do anything to help anyone that was in any way suffering.

503 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:03:19pm

re: #497 Cato the Elder

Apparently, rhetorical hyperbole is now a sin.

I'll ask my spiritual adviser about that and get back to you, Irenicum.

Quite a lot of the threads here deal with pointing out and mocking/decrying overinflated rhetorical hyperbole. Why should you get a free pass?

504 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:03:35pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.

Yes, ugly, the added confirmation was redundant.

Such personal hatred is unhealthy.

505 sagehen  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:00pm

re: #456 rollwave87

here's the money quote from her: "I understood at first why the Republican party would choose someone as "pure et dure" (pure and hard) as this woman, who thought it wise to bring a fifth child into the world who has Down's Syndrome. "

i honestly can't even respond to that. so what's the criteria for aborting babies? maybe since im gay, and there was some prenatal way to tell, my parents should have just aborted me too...i mean, what the hell. and im pro-choice, at least, i thought i was until i read some of these sick comments.


She might have been referring to Sarah's decision to get pregnant in the first place. Generally, when a woman is in her 40's, has four kids already, a high-stress career involving lots of travel, and a husband who's gone half the year, deciding to try for another pregnancy (inherently high-risk at that age), or not trying to prevent another pregnancy... is not the cautious choice.

506 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:14pm

re: #497 Cato the Elder

It is when you accuse someone of effectively being a Nazi. I say this as someone who largely agrees with you. Please understand this.

507 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:31pm

re: #503 ausador

Quite a lot of the threads here deal with pointing out and mocking/decrying overinflated rhetorical hyperbole. Why should you get a free pass?

Not expecting or asking for one. Someone suggested I should "repent".

Don't hold your breath for that.

508 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:58pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.

You stink.

509 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:06:03pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.

ok. i was debating back and forth whether or not I should feel bad for even introducing Sarah Palin into this thread, because it seems to have caused you a lot of grief and anger. and i wouldnt want to inflict that on someone. especially a fellow LGF reader. but im reached a conclusion: im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably.

510 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:06:31pm

re: #505 sagehen

We don't know if Trig was planned or not. Sarah and Scott may well have been taking precautions against pregnancy, but those do not always work. Either way, its not something they've chosen to talk about, and I don't think they should have to.

511 Racer X  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:07:44pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.

No offense, but you are one mean nasty pathetic fucker.

No offense.

512 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:08:03pm

re: #509 rollwave87

ok. i was debating back and forth whether or not I should feel bad for even introducing Sarah Palin into this thread, because it seems to have caused you a lot of grief and anger. and i wouldnt want to inflict that on someone. especially a fellow LGF reader. but im reached a conclusion: im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably.

Er... Cato plus Palin equals PDS... come on fellow, really old news. You didn't discover anything. Put your ego back in it's box.

513 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:08:28pm

re: #507 Cato the Elder

It would be nice if you refer to me by my nic. I'm disappointed to say the least. What you said is beyond appropriate. I hope someday you can see beyond this.

514 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:08:51pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, all the speculation on Sarah Palin's personal life and family is disgusting.

515 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:09:24pm

re: #505 sagehen

She might have been referring to Sarah's decision to get pregnant in the first place. Generally, when a woman is in her 40's, has four kids already, a high-stress career involving lots of travel, and a husband who's gone half the year, deciding to try for another pregnancy (inherently high-risk at that age), or not trying to prevent another pregnancy... is not the cautious choice.

I mean, I don't disagree with any of that. but I watched (yeah, Ill say it) Oprah today (for the first time ever), and they played this clip of the Palin's getting ready for Halloween. and they showed Trig in his little costume and he was smiling. and his parents were doting over him. in other words, he seemed pretty happy to me. and he seemed like he was bringing joy, if a bit of diversity, into his family's life as well. so, I mean, I dunno...I just cant see arguing that it would be better for a person to have not existed than to go through life as someone who's different.

516 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:09:26pm

re: #509 rollwave87

ok. i was debating back and forth whether or not I should feel bad for even introducing Sarah Palin into this thread, because it seems to have caused you a lot of grief and anger. and i wouldnt want to inflict that on someone. especially a fellow LGF reader. but im reached a conclusion: im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably.

He has a worse-than-text bad case, I'm afraid. He has Third-Stage Derangement Syndrome, wherein the targeted person can do no right at all and will be attacked for anything. Cato always judges anything related to any Palin from the starting point that Sarah Palin is a nasty opportunistic person who values power above all else.

517 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:10:11pm

re: #511 Racer X

No offense, but you are one mean nasty pathetic fucker.

No offense.

None taken.

re: #508 Spare O'Lake

You stink.

Your problem.

re: #502 cliffster

I'm guessing that you wouldn't do anything to help anyone that was in any way suffering.

Yes, I trip blind beggars and spit in their coffee, too. Ask anyone who knows me.

518 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:11:15pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

Cato always judges anything related to any Palin from the starting point that Sarah Palin is a nasty opportunistic person who values power above all else.

You have evidence to the contrary?

519 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:11:59pm

Hey... what about those Mets?

520 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:12:25pm

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

cynical much? I wasn't trying to pat myself on the back. I really did feel badly for bringing up a topic that could elicit such hatred in someone. I guess that kind of empathy is foreign to you...

521 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:12:40pm

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

Indeed. I'm done for tonight.

522 sagehen  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:13:25pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

I have been to Janesville!

Is that like Jaynestown?

523 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:14:11pm

Cato-

If you said these sorts of things about the President, you would be rightfully labeled as having ODS. You have PDS, and you hand your detractors all the ammunition they need all on a silver platter every time you start going off like this on her. It's really not so pretty, it's very misogynistic, and you lose otherwise friendly and like-minded allies with these displays.

524 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:15:14pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

You have evidence to the contrary?

Let me go to bed and a give you a proper reply in the morning. I'm tired, and I can't frame my arguements as effectively as I'd like.

Goodnight, all.

525 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:15:44pm

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

Hey... what about those Mets?

last time I checked, they still suck. and the last time I checked was 1990.

Im a huge Yankee fan, but for some reason #27 this year didnt make me as happy as I tohught it would. Honestly, I think im still devastated from the loss in 2001. after 9/11 and all their comeback wins and stuff, seeing them lose to freakin arizona was like a punch in the gut I still haven't recovered from...

526 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:16:01pm

re: #520 rollwave87

cynical much? I wasn't trying to pat myself on the back. I really did feel badly for bringing up a topic that could elicit such hatred in someone. I guess that kind of empathy is foreign to you...

You're correct. This kind of sarcastic empathy is... " im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably..." so heart warming I'm about to break out in a Walton's moment. I can almost feel the love through the monitor.

Harrump.

527 borgcube  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:17:11pm

re: #523 Sharmuta

I'm inclined to try moose meat now just because of Cato's PDS.

528 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:17:49pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

You might want to check out Andrew Sullivan's blog at the Atlantic for more rational ammo against Palin. He feels exactly the way you do but he backs up his assessment with facts and a long list of lies and self-serving revisionism by her. If nothing else you might pick up some solid facts to beat her with rather than the gratuitous use of hyperbole.

529 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:18:06pm

re: #525 rollwave87

last time I checked, they still suck. and the last time I checked was 1990.

Im a huge Yankee fan, but for some reason #27 this year didnt make me as happy as I tohught it would. Honestly, I think im still devastated from the loss in 2001. after 9/11 and all their comeback wins and stuff, seeing them lose to freakin arizona was like a punch in the gut I still haven't recovered from...

I was talking about the Metropolitan Opera.

530 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:18:25pm

re: #525 rollwave87

I hate the Yankees, and that loss disappointed me too, because it was the one year I set aside my Yankee hatred and rooted for New York.

531 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:18:49pm

re: #526 Walter L. Newton


haha. ok. maybe I was a little self-aggrandizing. but ive taken so much crap on here for my defenses of Sarah Palin, much of it from Cato, that I couldn't help but feel a little vindicated by his totally blatant display of incomparable hatred. I mean, did they even say things that nasty on DailyKos about Joe Lieberman in the summer of 2006?

532 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:19:30pm

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

That was a good comeback.

533 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:20:36pm

re: #531 rollwave87

haha. ok. maybe I was a little self-aggrandizing. but ive taken so much crap on here for my defenses of Sarah Palin, much of it from Cato, that I couldn't help but feel a little vindicated by his totally blatant display of incomparable hatred. I mean, did they even say things that nasty on DailyKos about Joe Lieberman in the summer of 2006?

I wasn't digging on your opinions about Cato and his dislike of Palin, but I couldn't let "empathy" go unchallenged... :)

534 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:21:05pm

re: #532 Sharmuta

That was a good comeback.

lol. conceded. although Ive never heard the Met refered to as 'those Mets' :/

535 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:22:33pm

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

I was talking about the Metropolitan Opera.

I thought you were talking about the Met Office, can't plan a picnic by what those pikers predict.

536 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:23:09pm

re: #532 Sharmuta

That was a good comeback.

I had a tooth pulled today, I've been saving up the last few months so I could afford to have the work I needed on my teeth finished before I die. A few extractions and then a partial, will be done over the next three weeks or so.

I've been taking pain killers all evening, I'm kind of silly feeling.

537 sagehen  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:23:17pm

re: #531 rollwave87

I mean, did they even say things that nasty on DailyKos about Joe Lieberman in the summer of 2006?

Yes.

Next question?

538 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:23:44pm

re: #535 Bagua

I thought you were talking about the Met Office, can't plan a picnic by what those pikers predict.

You live in Ireland?

539 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:24:21pm

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

I saw that earlier, gave you an upding. You have a nice dentist. Glad he gave you the good stuff for the pain. ;)

540 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:25:17pm

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't digging on your opinions about Cato and his dislike of Palin, but I couldn't let "empathy" go unchallenged... :)

also conceded. I guess it really wasn't empathy...yet I genuinly do feel badly for someone who sees Sarah Palin, of all people, as the root of all evil. I mean, objectively, at worst, she's someone whos in over her head. anyone who makes the jump from that to nazi collaborator, I pity.

541 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:26:15pm

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

You live in Ireland?

The MET screw up the weather for the entire Kingdom.

542 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:26:41pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

I saw that earlier, gave you an upding. You have a nice dentist. Glad he gave you the good stuff for the pain. ;)

I just looked at the outside temp. It's 20 degrees (f). Maisey the parrot is complaining that she is a tropical bird and what the hell was I thinking moving her up to the mountains.

543 rollwave87  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:26:53pm

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

I had a tooth pulled today, I've been saving up the last few months so I could afford to have the work I needed on my teeth finished before I die. A few extractions and then a partial, will be done over the next three weeks or so.

I've been taking pain killers all evening, I'm kind of silly feeling.

feel better.

544 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:27:07pm

re: #541 Bagua

The MET screw up the weather for the entire Kingdom.

You live in Middle Earth?

545 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:27:46pm

re: #543 rollwave87

feel better.

Quite.

546 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:28:24pm

re: #542 Walter L. Newton

Should we start a fund to get her her own heated cage, maybe with a little heated indoor bird bath?

547 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:30:10pm

How is Maisey doing with the Lady Love, Walter? Wasn't she jealous of your other girlfriends? Miss seeing her in your avatar too.

548 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:33:50pm

re: #546 Sharmuta

Should we start a fund to get her her own heated cage, maybe with a little heated indoor bird bath?

Actually, I have a 40 watt clip on lamp attached to the top outside of her cage, and it really keeps he comfortable. The average temp in the house is about 62-65. This is an older mountain home and it's 3000 square feet, and if we were to keep the furnace blasting, we would be paying 250-300 a month for gas.

The kids have a pellet stove downstairs in the finished basement where their bedrooms are. We had a pellet stove in the fireplace upstairs, a new one purchased in Sept. for 2300 dollars, and it never worked since the day it was installed. I had it apart and was replacing parts 4 times. I had it sent back and got a refund. We are now waiting for another stove from a different manufacturer.

All in all, it's comfortable enough, got a full sized electric blanket on the our bed, and like I say, the kids pellet stove, along with the furnace keeps them warm.

Hey, it's the mountains, that's part of the "charm." (That and the 4 feet of snow we've had for over the last 2 1/2 weeks).

549 ghazidor  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:34:41pm

re: #541 Bagua

The MET screw up the weather for the entire Kingdom.

I thought that HAARP did that?

/alex jones

550 cliffster  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:36:37pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

You have evidence to the contrary?

She knowingly gave birth to a child with Down's Syndrome. re: #536 Walter L. Newton

I had a tooth pulled today, I've been saving up the last few months so I could afford to have the work I needed on my teeth finished before I die. A few extractions and then a partial, will be done over the next three weeks or so.

I've been taking pain killers all evening, I'm kind of silly feeling.

Ugh. Dental work. Ugh. Pain killers, and lots of them, come nowhere evening the score. Although they are nice...

551 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:37:01pm

re: #547 Sharmuta

How is Maisey doing with the Lady Love, Walter? Wasn't she jealous of your other girlfriends? Miss seeing her in your avatar too.

Maisey won't let the girlfriend touch her. The younger teen is able to pet Maisey. The two cats are afraid of her. The husky is bored by the bird. It's the Australian red healer that would like to eat Maisey if possible.

The cage is in a nook, on a glass topped table, and actually chained to the wall, so even if one of the animals tried to climb on the cage or tip it over, it would simply hang from the chain and they couldn't get into it or drag it off.

552 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:37:20pm

Hyperbole, artfully used, can be a potent debating tool, especially when mixed with a little humour.
e.g. She could nag the paint right off a wall.
But when used in a blockheaded and jackbooted manner, hyperbole can easily backfire and discredit the user.

Nytol.

553 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:38:58pm

re: #550 cliffster

Ugh. Dental work. Ugh. Pain killers, and lots of them, come nowhere evening the score. Although they are nice...

They work fine for me. I have a high tolerance for pain anyway, so the pain killers just take the little edge off, and of course, a pleasant buzz to boot.

I don't drink at all anymore, so an occasional little narcotic buzz is a treat... if you know what I mean.

554 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:39:44pm

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

You live in Middle Earth?

Live?
I exist in an ethereal world of my own choosing,
sat here alone in the prison of my experience,
only my mind at times is free to wander.

555 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:44:26pm

re: #554 Bagua

Live?
I exist in an ethereal world of my own choosing,
sat here alone in the prison of my experience,
only my mind at times is free to wander.

Good dope, huh?

556 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:45:45pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I hope she's otherwise adjusted well to the new digs. At least she has company now when you're at the theatre.

557 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:46:33pm

re: #556 Sharmuta

I hope she's otherwise adjusted well to the new digs. At least she has company now when you're at the theatre.

Yes, she loves all the company and attention. Thanks for asking.

558 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:50:05pm

re: #557 Walter L. Newton

No problem. I'm glad she's doing well, and the two of you are happy with the new family you've found. Congrats. :)

559 Bagua  Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:51:39pm

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

Good dope, huh?

It takes the edge off.

560 BarleyWine  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:49:02pm

A challenge from "cdk007" on YouTube:

Creationists: Put Up or Shut Up


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