NCSE Breaks Out the Funny
Here’s some not entirely unsuccessful science humor from the National Center for Science Education, taking down creationist Ray Comfort and his ridiculous “special” version of Charles Darwin’s “On the Origin of Species.”
Here’s some not entirely unsuccessful science humor from the National Center for Science Education, taking down creationist Ray Comfort and his ridiculous “special” version of Charles Darwin’s “On the Origin of Species.”
1 | Dynomite Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:15:26pm |
Ooooh, my name in the credits! (Well, someone with the same name as me :) )
2 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:16:29pm |
Hundreds of years and we're just now figuring this out? We should pay more attention to monkeys.
3 | Dynomite Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:18:07pm |
re: #2 Racer X
Next, from the NCSE: Open a Creationist('s prevarications) like a can of tuna!
4 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:21:11pm |
A new article in the Times (UK) covering the rise of creationism in Islam. Put it in the spinoff. From that link:
Addressing the conference in Alexandria, organised for the bicentenary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species, he said that concerns among Muslims about evolution were being fuelled by Christian creationists. People in Muslim countries would find creationist theses on the internet and, not realising that these were on the fringes of scientific debate, assume that creationism had scientific credibility in the West.
5 | albusteve Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:21:26pm |
nice hat...that counts (needs a Cowboy Star tho)
6 | Virginia Plain Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:22:15pm |
Dig the Pythonesque animation at the end.
You know what I find funnier than this video? Some people may actually get to find out what Origin of the Species is all about. Yes, even though Kirk Cameron writes that piss poor Introduction, many people will quickly realize that he is full of it.
8 | Dynomite Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:23:04pm |
re: #6 Virginia Plain
Yes, even though Kirk Cameron writes that piss poor Introduction, many people will quickly realize that he is full of it.
Oooh, Kirk Cameron. He's dreamy!
9 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:23:31pm |
Forty seconds in... he says "something stinks..." Yep, this pitiful attempt at comedy.
Fail.
10 | jaunte Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:25:35pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
I thought the comfort version was also missing a chapter...?
More than one. Eugenie Scott:
Unfortunately, it will be hard to thoroughly read the version that Comfort will be distributing on college campuses in November. The copy his publisher sent me is missing no fewer than four crucial chapters, as well as Darwin's introduction. Two of the omitted chapters, Chapters 11 and 12, showcase biogeography, some of Darwin's strongest evidence for evolution. Which is a better explanation for the distribution of plants and animals around the planet: common ancestry or special creation?
...
Likewise missing from Comfort's bowdlerized version of the Origin is Chapter 13, where Darwin explained how evolution makes sense of classification, morphology, and embryology.[Link: www.usnews.com...]
11 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:26:00pm |
Not as good as the Romanian girl's response.
12 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:27:20pm |
re: #10 jaunte
Thanks, Jaunte. That's what I thought. The whole damn book stinks, and is worthy of nothing more than the nearest trash bin.
Makes me want to head over to the local campus and get as many as possible and dump them in the trash in view of the creationists distributing them.
13 | Pepper Fox Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:28:52pm |
Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?
14 | Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:29:53pm |
Definitely not scoring any points in the comedy competition. Hell, creationists are much funnier without even trying.
Speaking of support I could do without, I have seen purported evolution advocates using the loathsome term "creotard" on the internet. I'm sure no lizardoid would do this but if you know someone who is, tell them to knock it off.
15 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:30:01pm |
re: #12 Sharmuta
Thanks, Jaunte. That's what I thought. The whole damn book stinks, and is worthy of nothing more than the nearest trash bin.
.
Where it will find plenty of company among the remaindered copies of Going Rogue
16 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:30:44pm |
re: #14 Shiplord Kirel
Speaking of support I could do without, I have seen purported evolution advocates using the loathsome term "creotard" on the internet. I'm sure no lizardoid would do this but if you know someone who is, tell them to knock it off.
I've always preferred scientific cretinist myself
17 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:31:26pm |
Cut the scientists some slack. Comedy isn't their strong suit.
18 | jaunte Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:31:33pm |
re: #15 PT Barnum
Both books will be useful for leveling out uneven table legs.
19 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:32:11pm |
re: #13 Pepper Fox
Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?
[Link: www.defaithed.com...]
Yes, bad taste.
20 | albusteve Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:32:17pm |
re: #17 Sharmuta
Cut the scientists some slack. Comedy isn't their strong suit.
Frankenstein was no joke, that's for sure
21 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:33:06pm |
re: #18 jaunte
Or for starting up the fireplace this winter.
22 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:33:11pm |
re: #11 Decatur Deb
Not as good as the Romanian girl's response.
THat's just because you think she's sexy. Which she is...
23 | Pepper Fox Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:33:15pm |
re: #19 Decatur Deb
Yes, bad taste.
Thinking about it yeah. As amusing as the reaction would be, I wouldn't want to sink to their level.
24 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:01pm |
re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist
THat's just because you think she's sexy. Which she is...
The massage is the medium.
25 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:29pm |
re: #20 albusteve
I dunno, have you seen the Journal of Irreproducable results? One of my favorite sources of scientific humor. My favorite piece was "The Effect of Forcible Goosing on Clinical Depression."
26 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:33pm |
re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist
THat's just because you think she's sexy. Which she is...
Women with intelligence usually are.
27 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:34:35pm |
re: #13 Pepper Fox
Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?
[Link: www.defaithed.com...]
Yes, although the content warning is quite accurate.
28 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:35:34pm |
re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist
Where do I find the intelligent, sexy Romanian girl? Is there a video or something?
29 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:36:18pm |
re: #28 PT Barnum
It was linked on LGF, so I would go through the tag viewer and look it up that way.
30 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:36:42pm |
re: #26 Sharmuta
Women with intelligence usually are.
I'll say.
London's 'Belle de Jour' Is a Scientist Who Had Sex for Tuition Money
31 | Pepper Fox Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:36:58pm |
re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, although the content warning is quite accurate.
What is amusing is that Christian "moralists" have tried to ban books from libraries for each one of those pieces of content. Oh the great irony of people trying to ban Fahrenheit 451!
32 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:37:00pm |
re: #28 PT Barnum
Where do I find the intelligent, sexy Romanian girl? Is there a video or something?
Video should be a month back in the LGF trail. I don't know if we can
access it.
33 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:38:38pm |
re: #32 Decatur Deb
Video should be a month back in the LGF trail. I don't know if we can
access it.
Of course we can! Good gravy! LGF has not only a search function but a couple different ways to look up old threads, including the tag storm, tag viewer, and the archive pages.
34 | brookly red Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:39:30pm |
re: #28 PT Barnum
Where do I find the intelligent, sexy Romanian girl? Is there a video or something?
in Romania? maybe in the university in Romania? I don't know but it's a start.
35 | Pepper Fox Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:39:34pm |
I don't know if any of y'all have seen this yet, but this is simply stunning!
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
36 | brucee Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:39:37pm |
re: #4 freetoken
A new article in the Times (UK) covering the rise of creationism in Islam. Put it in the spinoff. From that link:
Quite sad indeed that creationists are now polluting the Internet. Makes the job of sane bloggers like Charles ever more critical.
As for rise of Creationism in Muslim countries, well, the scientific approach never was able to get a footing in theocracies.
I remember back in Iran, there were two kinds of references in pre-university books to the subject. In the science books, evolution of other species was mostly accepted as a fact, however, there were no mentioning of human evolution, it all stopped at apes. In religious texts taught in schools Darwin was outright attacked as a mislead scientist, and his theory as a fallacy. No discussion of reasons behind this opinion were given. Also every time the books got revised it got worse.
If it were not for the Internet, I might have come to accept that junk.
41 | brookly red Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:43:37pm |
42 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:44:08pm |
re: #38 Decatur Deb
I'm lucky I can import a Youtube clip.
You can find links to the archives and tag storm/viewer in the left side bar. There are also the tags at the bottom of every article, and you can click them to go right to that tag's page. Hover over the tag and the last 5 articles with that tag will come up. The general search function is at the top of the page on the right. Hope that helps.
43 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:45:01pm |
World's Smallest Political Quiz
How and when the hell did I become a libertarian? No one told me.
44 | Pepper Fox Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:45:31pm |
re: #36 brucee
Quite sad indeed that creationists are now polluting the Internet. Makes the job of sane bloggers like Charles ever more critical.
As for rise of Creationism in Muslim countries, well, the scientific approach never was able to get a footing in theocracies.
I remember back in Iran, there were two kinds of references in pre-university books to the subject. In the science books, evolution of other species was mostly accepted as a fact, however, there were no mentioning of human evolution, it all stopped at apes. In religious texts taught in schools Darwin was outright attacked as a mislead scientist, and his theory as a fallacy. No discussion of reasons behind this opinion were given. Also every time the books got revised it got worse.
If it were not for the Internet, I might have come to accept that junk.
Now recently I have heard about creationism in Islam in the same way it's being pushed here through Christianity, but do they try to represent in a scientific manner like here?
45 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:45:50pm |
re: #42 Sharmuta
You can find links to the archives and tag storm/viewer in the left side bar. There are also the tags at the bottom of every article, and you can click them to go right to that tag's page. Hover over the tag and the last 5 articles with that tag will come up. The general search function is at the top of the page on the right. Hope that helps.
Thanks. I play with the archive. "Tags" are Geek to me.
46 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:46:01pm |
It's true that it's hard to top the comedy experience of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's infamous banana video.
47 | Pepper Fox Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:47:14pm |
re: #46 Charles
It's true that it's hard to top the comedy experience of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's infamous banana video.
[Video]
I like Crocoduck more.
50 | Pepper Fox Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:49:40pm |
re: #48 Racer X
Amazing!
I worked for a Nat Geo photographer for a couple years, but didn't get to do anything cool like that, I was just a pack mule and a lens caddy. But I did get a lot of equipment for cheap and help on his ballooning team.
51 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:50:22pm |
re: #35 Pepper Fox
I don't know if any of y'all have seen this yet, but this is simply stunning!
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
Wow! That was cool.
52 | John Neverbend Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:50:43pm |
re: #32 Decatur Deb
Video should be a month back in the LGF trail. I don't know if we can
access it.
Is this it? Origin of Stupidity
53 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:52:56pm |
re: #52 John Neverbend
Sure- I try to teach Deb to use the LGF search features, and you have to bring in a youtube link...
54 | John Neverbend Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:53:31pm |
re: #53 Sharmuta
Sure- I try to teach Deb to use the LGF search features, and you have to bring in a youtube link...
Brute force, that's me.
55 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:55:06pm |
re: #52 John Neverbend
Is this it? Origin of Stupidity
That's it.
ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.
56 | John Neverbend Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:56:11pm |
re: #55 Cato the Elder
That's it.
ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.
I found it in Youtube by searching for "romanian ray comfort".
57 | Hector1980 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:57:34pm |
Sorry for going OT, but this is too funny:
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
Basically, Loony Pam does something unprincipled in her Anti-Muslim quest, someone calls her on it, she denies it, Spencer takes a few bullets for her, and now they have another enemy to erase from their blogs.
Where have I heard that one before?
58 | jaunte Mon, Nov 16, 2009 5:59:31pm |
re: #35 Pepper Fox
I might be able to handle a weakened or dead penguin, with some help...
60 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:01:40pm |
re: #57 Hector1980
Sorry for going OT, but this is too funny:
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
Basically, Loony Pam does something unprincipled in her Anti-Muslim quest, someone calls her on it, she denies it, Spencer takes a few bullets for her, and now they have another enemy to erase from their blogs.
Where have I heard that one before?
Wow. When Debbie Schlussel decides you've gone too far, you really have a problem.
61 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:03:16pm |
re: #57 Hector1980
Sorry for going OT, but this is too funny:
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
Basically, Loony Pam does something unprincipled in her Anti-Muslim quest, someone calls her on it, she denies it, Spencer takes a few bullets for her, and now they have another enemy to erase from their blogs.
Where have I heard that one before?
We've known here at LGF for quite some time what an opportunist ms. geller is. I think it's great others are starting to wake up to this fact.
62 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:05:59pm |
re: #52 John Neverbend
Good. I was down in the archives for half hour. It's depressing to read
all those headers at once--March of Folly.
63 | brookly red Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:07:02pm |
64 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:08:00pm |
re: #13 Pepper Fox
Would it be in bad taste to start handing out bibles with this on them?
[Link: www.defaithed.com...]
Yes.
And someone putting those stickers on the Koran must have a death wish.
65 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:08:36pm |
re: #55 Cato the Elder
That's it.
ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.
How many hours of HS biology lectures would it take to match that!
66 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:08:56pm |
RS McCain uses Hot Air to issue his definitive statement against the accusation that he's repulsed by interracial marriage...
Race and Racism: My Definitive Statement
I believe that liberals are wrong about black people. Liberals are also wrong about white people, brown people, yellow people and red people. If NASA announced tomorrow that it had discovered a distant planet inhabited by purple people, anything that liberals believed about purple people would be wrong, too. Liberals are not only wrong about race, but they are also wrong about economics, crime, poverty, religion, science, war, marriage and foreign policy. In fact, as evidenced by their global-warming hysteria, liberals are wrong about the weather. Insofar as there is a “liberal consensus” on any particular subject — including movies and sports — then the truth is likely to be the exact opposite of whatever liberals say.
Heh. I also noticed that Hot Air has decided that racist comments like the one Charles linked to this weekend will no longer be deleted.
67 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:10:24pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Umm... how does that refute the accusations he's a racist?
69 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:12:48pm |
re: #67 Sharmuta
Convinced me. Guess I can't be a Lib any more (sob).
70 | brucee Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:13:06pm |
re: #67 Sharmuta
Umm... how does that refute the accusations he's a racist?
Liberals (and any sane person): Interracial marriage is OK
RSM: "...then the truth is likely to be the exact opposite of whatever liberals say"
He's not refuting. He's admitting he is racist.
72 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:14:04pm |
The Sermon I think this Mom will never forget .This particular Sunday sermon...'Dear Lord,' the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. 'Without you, we are but dust...' He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter who was listening leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little four year old girl voice, 'Mom, what is butt dust?'
Ahh, kids..
73 | John Neverbend Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:14:37pm |
re: #63 brookly red
/stupidity evolves too...
And it's often irreversible, like certain processes in classical thermodynamics.
74 | jaunte Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:15:56pm |
re: #71 Sharmuta
Liberals made Stacy think up and post his racist bumpersticker ideas.
They were wrong then, too.
76 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:16:48pm |
The Python reference at the end is priceless..
78 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:19:11pm |
79 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:20:01pm |
re: #67 Sharmuta
Umm... how does that refute the accusations he's a racist?
It doesn't. He writes about the accusations against him about 2-3 times a month and never denies or admits that he's said the things he has. He must have written 1,000's of words on the topic without ever acknowledging it one way or the other. It's bizarre that he'd write so much about something that he clearly doesn't want to talk about.
80 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:26:05pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
He's giving Spencer a run for his money in the weasel words competition.
81 | Dr. Shalit Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:26:35pm |
re: #4 freetoken
A new article in the Times (UK) covering the rise of creationism in Islam. Put it in the spinoff. From that link:
freetoken,
Why not? Fundamental Islam is 7th Century C.E. in attitude and practice. How many domestic patents has that Saudi/Gulf Patent Office processed lately? Just wondering.
-S-
82 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:26:52pm |
Debbie Schlussel accusing Pam Geller of self-serving opportunism and Robert Spencer of intellectual dishonesty.
Now I don't need to eat any dessert.
83 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:27:12pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
It doesn't. He writes about the accusations against him about 2-3 times a month and never denies or admits that he's said the things he has. He must have written 1,000's of words on the topic without ever acknowledging it one way or the other. It's bizarre that he'd write so much about something that he clearly doesn't want to talk about.
McCain's latest apology for his white supremacism was probably triggered by Max Blumenthal:
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
84 | Stanghazi Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:28:49pm |
re: #83 Charles
McCain's latest apology for his white supremacism was probably triggered by Max Blumenthal:
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
ABSOLUTELY!!!
85 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:31:01pm |
re: #83 Charles
McCain's latest apology for his white supremacism was probably triggered by Max Blumenthal:
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
So Palin likes McCain... Why am I not surprised...
86 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:31:02pm |
re: #83 Charles
Yup, that seems to be what set him off.
87 | Dr. Shalit Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:31:55pm |
re: #46 Charles
It's true that it's hard to top the comedy experience of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's infamous banana video.
Charles -
Loving them would make me "Bah-Nah-Nahs." That is all.
-S-
88 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:34:07pm |
re: #83 Charles
Blumenthal sez...
When I began reporting on McCain’s racial exploits for an article for The Nation, which was published on September 20, 2006, I began receiving unsolicited late night phone calls from McCain. In one such call, McCain refused to respond to the allegations leveled by his colleagues. Instead, he insisted I come to the Raven Grill, a dive bar in Washington DC’s Mount Pleasant section, to meet him and someone named “Carlos.” I simply repeated my request for a response to the charges. McCain again refused. Finally, the bizarre phone calls stopped.
Yikes.
90 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:38:31pm |
Ohh and she has another good video!
91 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:44:01pm |
Actually I don't understand what all the brouhaha is about. As Obdicut taught me in the Hasan/Islam thread, it is impossible for humans to take literal meaning from a text. It would therefore seem futile to read Darwin, and more futile still to argue about what he meant. Who cares? It's a text. It's infinitely interpretable. Let Comfort and Cameron read into it anything they like. They're no more or less apt to understand it than any other cognitively challenged naked ape.
Or at least that's how I see things now that Obdicut has opened my eyes.
92 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:48:17pm |
re: #91 Cato the Elder
Obdi had support though. I found that an interesting conversation, Cato.
93 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:50:56pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Instead, he insisted I come to the Raven Grill, a dive bar in Washington DC’s Mount Pleasant section, to meet him and someone named “Carlos.”
Is RSM under the delusion that all must come when Dah' Mastah' summons them?
94 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:51:57pm |
re: #91 Cato the Elder
Actually I don't understand what all the brouhaha is about. As Obdicut taught me in the Hasan/Islam thread, it is impossible for humans to take literal meaning from a text. It would therefore seem futile to read Darwin, and more futile still to argue about what he meant. Who cares? It's a text. It's infinitely interpretable. Let Comfort and Cameron read into it anything they like. They're no more or less apt to understand it than any other cognitively challenged naked ape.
Or at least that's how I see things now that Obdicut has opened my eyes.
I reckon he schooled you.
*snicker*
95 | Obdicut Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:55:12pm |
re: #91 Cato the Elder
Actually I don't understand what all the brouhaha is about. As Obdicut taught me in the Hasan/Islam thread, it is impossible for humans to take literal meaning from a text. It would therefore seem futile to read Darwin, and more futile still to argue about what he meant. Who cares? It's a text. It's infinitely interpretable. Let Comfort and Cameron read into it anything they like. They're no more or less apt to understand it than any other cognitively challenged naked ape.
Or at least that's how I see things now that Obdicut has opened my eyes.
Wow.
Can you please show me where I said that texts are infinitely interpretable, or that it's futile to read texts?
I'd say you'd probably understand Darwin better after you read him a second time, and after you read the works of his contemporaries. That's not in any way the same thing as saying that it's futile to read him.
That you can't take the literal meaning from a text in no way means that you can't take meaning from from a text.
I'm not sure, at this point, if you don't understand me or are pretending to not understand me in order to continue an argument. I'm also unsure why you dragged it into this thread in such a parodied form.
96 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:56:43pm |
re: #43 Racer X
World's Smallest Political Quiz
How and when the hell did I become a libertarian? No one told me.
Tests don't lie!!! I came up right where I should have, but then RSM
converted me.
97 | shai_au Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:56:48pm |
President Obama remains calm in the face of a terrifying new Chinese weapon - the Wall of People.
What a brave man.
98 | tradewind Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:56:55pm |
Talk about teh funny...
The Onion gets down with TOTUS.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
99 | Obdicut Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:57:58pm |
re: #97 shai_au
President Obama remains calm in the face of a terrifying new Chinese weapon - the Wall of People.
What a brave man.
I think that's one organism. They've finally taken Communism to the next level.
100 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 6:59:59pm |
re: #95 Obdicut
That you can't take the literal meaning from a text in no way means that you can't take meaning from from a text.
See, it's that "no literal meaning" part that I find funny. You certainly do seem to stand by that, so I assume you mean it, er, literally. But since I'm reading your thoughts as text, obviously I can't be expected to know what you're actually driving at, because then I would be taking a literal meaning from your text, and that's not possible, so...what is left in such a situation but parody?
101 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:02:54pm |
Actually, since texts are composed of letters, and generally described as literature, I'm at a loss to know what kind of meaning can be taken from them other than a literal one. More than one literal meaning, quite likely, but what other kind of meaning is there?
103 | Obdicut Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:04:35pm |
re: #100 Cato the Elder
See, it's that "no literal meaning" part that I find funny. You certainly do seem to stand by that, so I assume you mean it, er, literally. But since I'm reading your thoughts as text, obviously I can't be expected to know what you're actually driving at, because then I would be taking a literal meaning from your text, and that's not possible, so...what is left in such a situation but parody?
But that's not what I'm saying, and I've made that clear. I think you can know what I'm driving at. I think that your conception of it will, even if you do your best to understand me, if you really, like, get me, man, will be slightly off from mine. I don't think we can ever read the same sentence and have the same exact reaction. I also think that's a wonderful thing.
It is nothing like what you're attempting to portray it as. But since you don't consider it worthwhile of anything other than parody, it's obviously not going to be worthwhile for me to continue to make my argument; you're not interested in it.
Have a good night, I enjoy the vast majority of your posts.
104 | tradewind Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:05:46pm |
re: #101 Cato the Elder
Deeper than the ocean, Cato.//
Oh wait... that'd be the littoral meaning.
106 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:06:33pm |
re: #104 tradewind
Deeper than the ocean, Cato.//
Oh wait... that'd be the littoral meaning.
You shore know how to start a pun thread.
107 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:06:50pm |
re: #105 NJDhockeyfan
Hi
It Sucked, but much better now.
108 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:06:57pm |
109 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:08:03pm |
re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dude... I'm sitting at South River Grill in Waynesboro. 2.00 Coronas.
Wo0T!
It's been a while since I ate there. I love that place.
110 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:08:24pm |
re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
At home-Sierra Nevada Anniversary edition ale. That's the much better now part.
111 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:09:23pm |
re: #103 Obdicut
But that's not what I'm saying, and I've made that clear. I think you can know what I'm driving at. I think that your conception of it will, even if you do your best to understand me, if you really, like, get me, man, will be slightly off from mine. I don't think we can ever read the same sentence and have the same exact reaction. I also think that's a wonderful thing.
It is nothing like what you're attempting to portray it as. But since you don't consider it worthwhile of anything other than parody, it's obviously not going to be worthwhile for me to continue to make my argument; you're not interested in it.
Have a good night, I enjoy the vast majority of your posts.
There are ways of writing and ways of reading. The problem with the written word, as the Platonic Socrates and others following his example note, is that it says always the same things to the same people, and consequently may fail to convey a meaning appropriate to the reader, or may fail in other ways to convey a meaning with the degree of precision that a person could in a face-to-face dialogue. In these cases, it would be possible, by tailoring the message to the audience, to prevent misunderstandings, in some cases, and to conceal understanding in others. Both are occasionally necessary.
But because one cannot be in all places, or speak in the ways appropriate to each potential interlocutor, it is sometimes necessary to have resort to slightly unusual methods of writing (dialogues, densely-written discourses and interpretations that require careful reading and comparison with the supposed base-text, in order to have their meanings extracted).
All of which is to say, the written word has limitations, but there are ways for intelligent authors to convey their meanings to intelligent readers.
112 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:09:25pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Hey nice catch on the CNN poll.
113 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:10:10pm |
re: #97 shai_au
President Obama remains calm in the face of a terrifying new Chinese weapon - the Wall of People.
What a brave man.
From the comments:
4danlopez: DYK: While travelling in China, President Obama has a 71-car motorcade.
I wonder what the carbon footprint is for that parade of vehicles. I bet none of them are hybrids.
114 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:10:26pm |
re: #43 Racer X
World's Smallest Political Quiz
How and when the hell did I become a libertarian? No one told me.
Well, I ended up only 14 points (one diagonal) away from "libertarian", sitting exactly on the line between "centrist" and "left".
Heh, at least I'm not a "statist"!
115 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:10:35pm |
re: #111 Guanxi88
That was like reading stereo instructions...
/
116 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:11:51pm |
re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That was like reading stereo instructions...
/
I admit it. I cribbed it all from the manual that came with my cell-phone.
117 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:12:18pm |
re: #113 NJDhockeyfan
I wonder what the carbon footprint is for that parade of vehicles. I bet none of them are hybrids.
What are you talking about?... probably the only time in decades that stretch of road hasn't had 71 thousand vehicles on it.
Going green, Presidential Convoy Style...
118 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:12:43pm |
re: #112 Rightwingconspirator
Hey nice catch on the CNN poll.
Thanks. Bringing KSM & friends to the US for trial in civilian court is way up there in the dumbest things presidents have done.
119 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:13:50pm |
re: #116 Guanxi88
I admit it. I cribbed it all from the manual that came with my cell-phone.
I'd ding it if I knew what the hell you said...
I nominate Guanxi88 to read the HealthCare bill and explain it to us!
120 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:03pm |
re: #111 Guanxi88
There are ways of writing and ways of reading.
Language is perhaps man's greatest invention.
Think about it - two forebrains, not connected by neurons, discovered a way to pass information back and forth through the use of sounds or markings.
It's bound to be an inexact method of transmitting information.
Someday perhaps we can directly connect two brains. Will that be the beginning of the end of language as we know it?
121 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:08pm |
Neat!
122 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:14:48pm |
re: #116 Guanxi88
I admit it. I cribbed it all from the manual that came with my cell-phone.
It was the new Motorola phone, with the new Straussian OS.
125 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:20pm |
re: #118 NJDhockeyfan
I agree entirely. Military tribunal, life and a day and I'm fine with it. Frankly the Links are a great feature here. You can hit the audience with breaking news that is waaay OT.
126 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:26pm |
re: #118 NJDhockeyfan
Thanks. Bringing KSM & friends to the US for trial in civilian court is way up there in the dumbest things presidents have done.
It wouldn't be so bad if they had a fine hangin' like the Lincoln killers.
127 | tradewind Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:36pm |
re: #120 freetoken
It's been done.
In Remulac.
A small town.
In France.///
128 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:40pm |
129 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:15:54pm |
re: #120 freetoken
Someday perhaps we can directly connect two brains. Will that be the beginning of the end of language as we know it?
It'll make a perpetual war of each against all. Most of the peace in this world is maintained by silence and the excuse of "But you misunderstand what I meant."
130 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:16:20pm |
re: #123 tradewind
Why do they call it surfing, anyway?
Thought I'd beach ya, but we're pretty much tide.
131 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:17:01pm |
re: #121 NJDhockeyfan
You'll have to show that one to Fenway, given that it has trains!
132 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:17:08pm |
re: #124 Sharmuta
He has a Link on the front page links-CNN poll that 9/11 terrorists should be tried in a military tribunal, NOT civilian court. I so agree.
133 | tradewind Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:17:20pm |
re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
'Seventy- One Limos led the grand parade...'
(With a hnndred and ten press vans right behind).
134 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:18:11pm |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
really?
Strong language, I know, but when my passions get the better of me, I've been known to throw around "interlocutor," "perfidy," and even, when my rage is at its full force, "invidious". The few occasions I've had in which I lost control and uttered the dreaded "intersubjective certainty," it has always been under the influence of strong drink consumed in low company.
136 | tradewind Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:19:17pm |
re: #130 Decatur Deb
This is supposed to be a current events site.
137 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:04pm |
re: #136 tradewind
This is supposed to be a current events site.
Comments have ebbed in the last few minutes.
139 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:21pm |
re: #134 Guanxi88
"Gosh, Mr. Lamar. You use your mouth purdier than a twenty dollar whore!"
-Taggart
(paraphrased...)
140 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:31pm |
re: #136 tradewind
This is supposed to be a current events site.
In this outfit, you surf or you fight. I'm not afraid to surf this beach.
141 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:50pm |
142 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:20:55pm |
re: #137 Decatur Deb
Comments have ebbed in the last few minutes.
Gonna be another tsunami of these puns, eh?
143 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:21:06pm |
re: #130 Decatur Deb
Thanks for that ding up there. I thought that was FREAKIN' HYSTERICAL!
144 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:21:32pm |
re: #140 Guanxi88
In this outfit, you surf or you fight. I'm not afraid to surf this beach.
Charlie actually does su rf, at the Danang Surf Club. 'Fo real.
145 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:21:38pm |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Gosh, Mr. Lamar. You use your mouth purdier than a twenty dollar whore!"
-Taggart(paraphrased...)
That's Hedley!
146 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:23:06pm |
147 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:23:23pm |
re: #142 The Sanity Inspector
Gonna be another tsunami of these puns, eh?
If I'm not careful, I become a tidal bore.
148 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:23:54pm |
re: #126 Alouette
It wouldn't be so bad if they had a fine hangin' like the Lincoln killers.
I would support a public hanging for KSM and all his terrorist buddies.
149 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:04pm |
I gotta say - this is the only news/current affairs blog where one can get into deep discussion of hermeneutics, surfing, booze connoisseurship, and all things human and inhuman. This is just like my favorite bar from my College days, only I haven't been carried out of here by a buncha my buddies, spent my whole week's pay in a single evening, or started a disastrous romance here.
150 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:34pm |
re: #146 MandyManners
From your lips to God's ears, Mandy.
151 | Bloodnok Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:45pm |
152 | Mich-again Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:24:48pm |
re: #132 Rightwingconspirator
He has a Link on the front page links-CNN poll that 9/11 terrorists should be tried in a military tribunal, NOT civilian court. I so agree.
I agree as well. I think the decision to move it to civilian courts was a misplaced expression of an opinion by a judge that GWB was wrong to fight terrorism with the war machine.
153 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:26:20pm |
re: #149 Guanxi88
This is just like my favorite bar from my College days, only I haven't been carried out of here by a buncha my buddies, spent my whole week's pay in a single evening, or started a disastrous romance here.
Give it time- who knows what could happen! ;)
154 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:26:30pm |
155 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:26:40pm |
re: #151 Bloodnok
He must be eating tongue.
Problem is, to quote Hank Hill, that you're eating the parts you're supposed to throw away.
156 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:27:08pm |
157 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:27:09pm |
re: #55 Cato the Elder
That's it.
ZOMGitsCriss now has over a million hits on that vid. When it was first posted here, it was something like 100k.
Everybody loves a blonde babe with an Eastern European accent sitting on her bed talking dirty...
158 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:27:53pm |
re: #155 Guanxi88
Problem is, to quote Hank Hill, that you're eating the parts you're supposed to throw away.
From Perfidy to Hank Hill... That's a quick draw...
159 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:28:43pm |
re: #129 Guanxi88
It'll make a perpetual war of each against all. Most of the peace in this world is maintained by silence and the excuse of "But you misunderstand what I meant."
Silence, most of all. If our random thoughts were readable to passing strangers as we thought about them in passing, there would not be enough lynch mobs to rub out the affronts. Everyone would need a gun, and the general tone of life would be "don't point your thoughts at me, you shit!"
160 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:28:45pm |
re: #154 NJDhockeyfan
Get some lingerie today?
Yeah. To celebrate my 10th anniversary of celibacy!! I'm not joking.
161 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:29:07pm |
TA DA!
My first link!
(Hope I did it right...)
Land directs U.S. attorney to get $20,000 in sanctions from Orly Taitz
WITH INTEREST!
162 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:29:23pm |
re: #157 freetoken
Everybody loves a blonde babe with an Eastern European accent sitting on her bed talking dirty...
Yeah. Top that, Kir-k, you sssnake!
165 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:30:36pm |
re: #160 MandyManners
Yeah. To celebrate my 10th anniversary of celibacy!! I'm not joking.
Like I said this morning...
If I ever go ten years without having sex, there had better be a casket wrapped around me!
166 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:30:55pm |
re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
From Perfidy to Hank Hill... That's a quick draw...
Well, if you really wanna get into it - it's not so much of a stretch. Because everything that is exists as part of the narrative structure of Being, authored, constituted, and perfected by the Creator and Author of Being, it is hardly surprising to find such associations. To, in, and for the Divine Intellect there is no division or distinction, only perfect immutable unity; as the human intellect is in the image and likeness of the Divine (as hinted at in Genesis and as Aristotle's Metaphysics and De Anima indicate), it is only natural that these connections and associations are made. It's all one giant text, we merely read different pages at different times.
167 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:32:34pm |
re: #166 Guanxi88
Well, if you really wanna get into it - it's not so much of a stretch. Because everything that is exists as part of the narrative structure of Being, authored, constituted, and perfected by the Creator and Author of Being, it is hardly surprising to find such associations. To, in, and for the Divine Intellect there is no division or distinction, only perfect immutable unity; as the human intellect is in the image and likeness of the Divine (as hinted at in Genesis and as Aristotle's Metaphysics and De Anima indicate), it is only natural that these connections and associations are made. It's all one giant text, we merely read different pages at different times.
BTW, the distinction between what I wrote above and simple schizophrenia is that I KNOW you can't live as if this were true. A schizophrenic is one who tries to.
168 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:32:40pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
If I click on the title, it takes me to the article...
[Link: www.ledger-enquirer.com...]
It didn't worky?
169 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:32:45pm |
170 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:33:18pm |
re: #167 Guanxi88
LOL!
That's what you're saying NOW!
///
171 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:33:25pm |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Like I said this morning...
If I ever go ten years without having sex, there had better be a casket wrapped around me!
It's all about individual values and choices.
173 | tradewind Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:33:46pm |
re: #163 Decatur Deb
Good job...
These tend to get a little dinghy, fast.
:)
174 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:34:00pm |
re: #168 Floral Giraffe
No- it worked- you did your spinoff exactly right. You just didn't link to your spinoff in #161. Sorry for the confusion.
175 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:34:07pm |
re: #170 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
That's what you're saying NOW!
///
Advice of counsel. And the wife. "Don't go around talking like that. It may fly in your scholarly work, but everyone just knows you're bat-shit crazy and well-read."
177 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:35:10pm |
re: #174 Sharmuta
Well, I do TRY.
I ALWAYS got "A's" for effort, doncha know!
179 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:35:44pm |
re: #177 Floral Giraffe
You broke your spinoff bubble. Now you can go wild!
180 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:36:11pm |
re: #103 Obdicut
But that's not what I'm saying, and I've made that clear. I think you can know what I'm driving at. I think that your conception of it will, even if you do your best to understand me, if you really, like, get me, man, will be slightly off from mine. I don't think we can ever read the same sentence and have the same exact reaction. I also think that's a wonderful thing.
It is nothing like what you're attempting to portray it as. But since you don't consider it worthwhile of anything other than parody, it's obviously not going to be worthwhile for me to continue to make my argument; you're not interested in it.
Have a good night, I enjoy the vast majority of your posts.
I've very much enjoyed sparring with you.
181 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:37:53pm |
re: #166 Guanxi88
Well, if you really wanna get into it - it's not so much of a stretch. Because everything that is exists as part of the narrative structure of Being, authored, constituted, and perfected by the Creator and Author of Being, it is hardly surprising to find such associations. To, in, and for the Divine Intellect there is no division or distinction, only perfect immutable unity; as the human intellect is in the image and likeness of the Divine (as hinted at in Genesis and as Aristotle's Metaphysics and De Anima indicate), it is only natural that these connections and associations are made. It's all one giant text, we merely read different pages at different times.
And even if we read the same page, none of us reads the same page. Or something.
182 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:38:09pm |
Wow...it's not often I turn off and walk away from the TV when a footbal game is on, but...damn...what a turd they have tonight for Monday Night Football.
As much as last night's Indy/NE game was like a-kick-to-the-nuts-after -a-running-head-start, I actually feel a little better about the Pats right now.
At least I'm not a Browns fan...
183 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:38:33pm |
re: #177 Floral Giraffe
Well, I do TRY.
I ALWAYS got "A's" for effort, doncha know!
Fine job on your first spin-off!
184 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:42:09pm |
Just saw this on MSN:
First the church is sued for fraud, now there are rumors an A-list member may defect.
186 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:43:43pm |
re: #179 Sharmuta
Does that mean I have to spend MORE time here?
GACK! I don't have it!
I'll try to look at the spin offs more, though...
187 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:43:55pm |
re: #182 Fenway_Nation
Turds are very upset with you right now.
188 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:45:18pm |
re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Turds are very upset with you right now.
I'm not the least bit interested in getting on the good side of the Kod Kidz, so it hardly matters to me.
190 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:45:50pm |
re: #184 NJDhockeyfan
Just saw this on MSN:
If Travolta quits, I promise I will rent "Saturday Night Fever" and watch it all the way through.
Do it for the re$idual$, John!
191 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:11pm |
re: #190 Cato the Elder
If Travolta quits, I promise I will rent "Saturday Night Fever" and watch it all the way through.
Do it for the re$idual$, John!
Which one...PG or R version?
192 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:20pm |
193 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:27pm |
re: #190 Cato the Elder
If Travolta quits, I promise I will rent "Saturday Night Fever" and watch it all the way through.
Do it for the re$idual$, John!
I dunno. I think Battlefield Earth was just like those horrible crimes that secret societies used to force members to commit in order to bind them to the group.
194 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:47:52pm |
re: #189 Guanxi88
Il n'y a pas de hors-text. Thank you very-freaking-much, Derrida. Because of you, every half-wit with a BA thinks he or she can parse words and meanings into and out of existence.
Indeed. What's the point of asking someone if she's on the same page, when it's a different page every time you look at it for everyone who looks at it?
195 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:50:35pm |
re: #194 Cato the Elder
Indeed. What's the point of asking someone if she's on the same page, when it's a different page every time you look at it for everyone who looks at it?
And people wonder where a Palin or an Obama comes from? If the "best minds" of the age are reduced to incoherent babbling and self-contradiction (which a sane age took to be one of the methods of refutation in rhetoric) over the simplest of matters, who can be surprised that the age finds itself confronted with the choice of an empty vessel for ill-defined progressive hopes on the one hand, and an empty vessel for reaction on the other? If nothing means anything, then we are in the age of nothing, ruled by non-entities. Oh, wait...
196 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:53:06pm |
Oh well, gotta go! Time to climb onto public transit and ride with to therion polycephalon!
(Ask Cato, he'll explain)
197 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:53:48pm |
198 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:54:41pm |
re: #184 NJDhockeyfan
Just saw this on MSN:
The Ch-rch of $camitology is a dangerous cult of vicious swindlers. TIME magazine exposed them in the early 90s, and spent the rest of the decade in an expensive lawsuit defending themselves.
199 | coscolo Mon, Nov 16, 2009 7:59:21pm |
OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.
200 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:00:35pm |
re: #199 coscolo
OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.
)
My backyard. :)
201 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:03:45pm |
re: #196 Guanxi88
Oh well, gotta go! Time to climb onto public transit and ride with to therion polycephalon!
(Ask Cato, he'll explain)
"The many-headed beast."
202 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:04:21pm |
'President Obama’s approval rating is down to 46 percent. That means 54 percent of the people do not approve of the job he’s doing. I think this is totally unfair. We should at least wait until he actually does something.'
- Jay Leno
203 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:04:48pm |
How do the ladies feel about this story?
Task force advices against annual mammograms
The rules have changed for mammogram recommendations. For years women were asked to arrange yearly breast cancer screening after age 40. Today, the United States Preventative Services Task Force, faced with new data, reduced their suggestions for mammograms. Women aged 50 and above are now asked to only come in every two years for an exam. The exceptions are women in the high risk population such as women that have a gene mutation that increases the likelihood of breast cancer or people exposed to extensive chest radiation. Women should limit themselves to no more than 10 mammograms in their lifetimes.
The risk of over-treatment is reduced for biennial screening. The incidence of false positives and unnecessary biopsies is divided in half. A "false positive" is the name for test that comes back as abnormal but the subsequent biopsy results are normal. The task force also questioned the results of self-examination.
204 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:05:39pm |
re: #199 coscolo
OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.
Here' in the PacNW we're always socked in with clouds this time of year. When I lived in AZ I used to drive out to the desert to watch.
205 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:06:57pm |
206 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:08:24pm |
207 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:09:16pm |
re: #205 MandyManners
Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.
I can't wait for government-run health care!
//
208 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:09:19pm |
Life’s like a bird, it’s pretty cute until it shits on your head.
209 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:10:05pm |
re: #199 coscolo
OT: Leonid Meteor Shower coming up in a few hours, 1 a.m.-dawn in North America. Supposed to be a good show this year -- no moon -- if you live or can drive to an area where you can see the night sky.
Cool!
Welcome to LGF!
210 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:11:10pm |
211 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:11:15pm |
re: #205 MandyManners
Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.
Concur. I smell NHS-style cost-cutting, and it stinks to high heaven.
212 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:33pm |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
re: #205 MandyManners
My wife is pissed off! That damn test hurts a lot, particularly for women with cysts. She is late 40's and has done the annual for some time. Honestly sometimes I think to go for CT instead despite the rads. Or MRI. Anything but the squeeze. Hey guys imagine if the test for testicular was similar. Or better yet don't.
BTW-all cash. Uninsured as per pre existing childhood disease.
213 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:37pm |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
How do the ladies feel about this story?
You just WAIT untill the "health care boards" get started on what we don't "really need". I think the quality of health care we currently receive is in jeopardy. And going to be more expensive. But, I am willing to wait & see what happens.
214 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:41pm |
re: #210 MandyManners
I had a quick read.
You were criticizing yourself for taking God's name in vain, correct?
215 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:43pm |
re: #205 MandyManners
Goddamn fucking Commie bastards.
Have you got that phrase programmed in a hot-key shortcut?
216 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:12:54pm |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
How do the ladies feel about this story?
I think that whatever the hell they advise, they'll advise something else in a couple of years.
217 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:13:57pm |
Weird. If you watch this video several times you may notice the bubble gum.
218 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:14:01pm |
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
Concur. I smell NHS-style cost-cutting, and it stinks to high heaven.
I smell BHO imposing his goddamn commie dream on this nation.
219 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:14:24pm |
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
Concur. I smell NHS-style cost-cutting, and it stinks to high heaven.
Of course, if one has private health coverage, such as myself, one can have a mammogram every time one walks in the door.
//Try getting one when you're under forty. And don't try to bamboozle them with family history. Everyone has a family history of breast cancer.
220 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:15:09pm |
re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist
I think that whatever the hell they advise, they'll advise something else in a couple of years.
Yes, moving target.
That being said, I am very grateful that this disease does not run in my family. And, I haven't heard a PEEP about genetic testing in the "new health care bill", but I bet it's in there, somewhere...
221 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:15:44pm |
re: #212 Rightwingconspirator
re: #205 MandyManners
My wife is pissed off! That damn test hurts a lot, particularly for women with cysts. She is late 40's and has done the annual for some time. Honestly sometimes I think to go for CT instead despite the rads. Or MRI. Anything but the squeeze. Hey guys imagine if the test for testicular was similar. Or better yet don't.
BTW-all cash. Uninsured as per pre existing childhood disease.
HUGS!
222 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:16:10pm |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
How do the ladies feel about this story?
I think it doesn't matter what they recommend. If some women want them yearly and pay for them, who is going to stop them?
223 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:16:28pm |
re: #221 MandyManners
She says thanks lots!!
224 | SpaceJesus Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:18:24pm |
I may have found the very heart of all that is stupid
225 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:19:56pm |
re: #199 coscolo
Saw an entire three second meteor driving up the interstate tonight going away from me (and it was early (7:30ish?)). If you can be up between 1 & 3am? I think it'll be a doozie!
Me?
zzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ
226 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:10pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course, if one has private health coverage, such as myself, one can have a mammogram every time one walks in the door.
//Try getting one when you're under forty. And don't try to bamboozle them with family history. Everyone has a family history of breast cancer.
Remember earlier this year when John McEnroe was the spokesman for getting a Prostrate test, and the move was on for men under 40 to get a PSA test?
For every McEnroe you got, I can give you 30 Prostrate Cancer researchers who think this is a really dumb idea. Almost every man on the planet has Prostrate Cancer... and 99.9% of it is benign, or grows so slowly that it would kill you when you are 203 years old.
The only thing that getting the PSA tests done at an earlier age is going to do is give a lot of false positives, make guys worry, send some of them for unnecessary treatments and surgeries - and make the companies that make PSA tests filthy stinking rich.
227 | MandyManners Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:16pm |
228 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:18pm |
re: #224 spacejesus
You don't have to take my word for it, except you do.
229 | lostlakehiker Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:27pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
I thought the comfort version was also missing a chapter...?
No, that's the Southern Comfort version. It goes down smoother.
230 | Ben G. Hazi Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:36pm |
re: #193 Guanxi88
I dunno. I think Battlefield Earth was just like those horrible crimes that secret societies used to force members to commit in order to bind them to the group.
And it pretty much killed Barry Pepper's acting career...
///maybe
231 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:21:43pm |
God bless the good workers of the world!
We think we have a gas leak at Mom's house, based on last months bill being 10X the previous months bill. Have the plumber come take a look. Doesn't find anything. Calls this morning, he woke up on Saturday, thinking about something, he wished he'd checked. Can we meet him?
YOU BETCHA! It was nothing. Now the gas company can come look...
Still, it's such a JOY to have a contentious worker!
233 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:22:45pm |
235 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:23:56pm |
236 | Ben G. Hazi Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:24:02pm |
re: #230 talon_262
And it pretty much killed Barry Pepper's acting career...
///maybe
Edit: As a leading man, anyway...I know he's done other things since then
237 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:24:28pm |
re: #230 talon_262
And it pretty much killed Barry Pepper's acting career...
///maybe
Yep, he made a huge mistake starring in that one. I hope he gets a second chance some day.
238 | lostlakehiker Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:24:54pm |
re: #226 SteveC
Remember earlier this year when John McEnroe was the spokesman for getting a Prostrate test, and the move was on for men under 40 to get a PSA test?
For every McEnroe you got, I can give you 30 Prostrate Cancer researchers who think this is a really dumb idea. Almost every man on the planet has Prostrate Cancer... and 99.9% of it is benign, or grows so slowly that it would kill you when you are 203 years old.
The only thing that getting the PSA tests done at an earlier age is going to do is give a lot of false positives, make guys worry, send some of them for unnecessary treatments and surgeries - and make the companies that make PSA tests filthy stinking rich.
Not the complete story. A relatively early PSA test gives a baseline. Read Cornelius Ryan and Kathryn Morgan Ryan's book "A private battle" for the story of the downside of not testing.
239 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:25:01pm |
ok...I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, this is a serious question:
If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?
241 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:25:48pm |
re: #231 Floral Giraffe
God bless the good workers of the world!
We think we have a gas leak at Mom's house, based on last months bill being 10X the previous months bill. Have the plumber come take a look. Doesn't find anything. Calls this morning, he woke up on Saturday, thinking about something, he wished he'd checked. Can we meet him?
YOU BETCHA! It was nothing. Now the gas company can come look...Still, it's such a JOY to have a contentious worker!
There was a gas leak at my mom's house but it was outside in the middle of the yard. Since it was underground nobody could smell it. It killed a very old tree which the gas company removed and paid big bucks for the tree.
242 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:27:31pm |
The Fortune Teller
In a dark and gloomy room, the fortune teller was startled by what she saw in her crystal ball. She looked up at her customer, sitting across the table. 'There's no easy way to say this, so I'll just be blunt. Prepare yourself to be a widow. Your husband will die a violent and horrible death this year.'
Visibly shaken, the woman stared at the psychic's lined face, then at the single flickering candle, then down at her hands. She took a few deep breaths to compose herself. She simply had to know.
She met the fortune teller's gaze, steadied her voice, and asked:
'Will I get away with it?'
243 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:28:30pm |
re: #241 NJDhockeyfan
We have come to the conclusion, that since it's a 50 year old meter, 2 feet underground, and REALLY hard to read...
That it's just a bad meter reed.
Still, since the house is vacant, I don't want to take any chances.
And, GOSH, I do appreciate the plumber caring enough to keep thinking about our job, once he'd finished & been paid.
Hard to find good workers like that!
244 | Eclectic Infidel Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:28:43pm |
re: #224 spacejesus
Yeah. The evangelical crowd prides itself (without knowing it) on TEH STOOPID. They relish every moment...forthesakeofjesuschristomgwtfbbqkthnksbai.
So, how you doin' SpaceJesus?
245 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:29:15pm |
246 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:29:36pm |
Medical quiz of the day: Is this patient ready for discharge?
Here's a text I got from the nurse coordinator on the scene of the crime:
Doc, the nurses told me your abdominal pain patient in room 503 was having sex last night. They walked in on her. Do you think it's safe to discharge her this morning?
247 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:31:30pm |
re: #239 rollwave87
If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?
Thinking... believing...
Whatever, as long as you label the science "science" and the religion "religion" then you are on the path to copacetic verisimilitude.
248 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:32:23pm |
re: #231 Floral Giraffe
God bless the good workers of the world!
We think we have a gas leak at Mom's house, based on last months bill being 10X the previous months bill. Have the plumber come take a look. Doesn't find anything. Calls this morning, he woke up on Saturday, thinking about something, he wished he'd checked. Can we meet him?
YOU BETCHA! It was nothing. Now the gas company can come look...Still, it's such a JOY to have a contentious worker!
The working man hasn't lost his soul. Good to hear.
249 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:32:54pm |
250 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:33:01pm |
re: #224 spacejesus
I may have found the very heart of all that is stupid
"...a scientist from Pensacola FL, Dr. Kent Hovind--" GONNGGG!!!
251 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:34:22pm |
re: #239 rollwave87
I don't find much objectionable. The worst bit is liking Palin, it's debatable but ultimately will be decided by the voters (who I can guarantee won't vote for her)
253 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:34:57pm |
re: #212 Rightwingconspirator
BTW-all cash. Uninsured as per pre existing childhood disease.
Which would be illegal under health-care reform.
254 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:35:03pm |
Jihad bloggage: Samuel Helfont on Qutb and abd al-Wahab: Convergence
255 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:36:35pm |
re: #247 freetoken
Thinking... believing...
Whatever, as long as you label the science "science" and the religion "religion" then you are on the path to copacetic verisimilitude.
I can get down with that. I just don't think it'd be fair to tell someone who believes 100% in evolution, knows the Earth isn't 5,000 years old, etc. that they're a creationist because they believe someone had to get this whole ball rolling.
In Palin's book she talks about how Schmidt was all like "your Dad was a science teacher, how can you be a creationist?" and she said she believes in science, just that some force had to start it all. and I really don't think thats an unreasonable position. im a gay republican, so ostensibly I should be taking Steve Schmidts side in this argument, but a big tent has to run both ways. You can't even believe in God now?
256 | lostlakehiker Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:36:38pm |
re: #239 rollwave87
ok...I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, this is a serious question:
If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?
It's beyond the scope of science to answer the question. From a scientific point of view, you're not talking about science, and science cannot say anything definite about your views.
There's nothing morally blameworthy in not believing in global warming; the subject is complicated and on top of that some people who do know better (and on both sides) push tommyrot. This makes it tough to cut through the fog to any sort of definite truth.
I go by the precautionary principle: there are things we could do now that we'll be needing to do anyhow, AGW or no AGW, within the foreseeable future. If we do them now, and AGW is for real (I think it is), we'll be glad we acted sooner rather than (too-?) later. If it's not for real, we won't be much hurt. We'll have pushed forward one branch of technology and heavy industry at the expense of some other part of our economy, and we'll be a tad less further up the ever-richer curve than we would otherwise have been.
Cap and trade is not what I mean by "do something". That's hugely expensive and not very effective. Building many more wind-power towers is somewhat effective. Building a bunch of nuclear power plants, ditto. More efficient buildings and cars, highly effective until you've wrung out the easy savings, then increasingly expensive. Building solar, less effective now than it figures to be once we hammer out the next twice-as-cheap couple of engineering improvements. Once that's in place, we could pave over some 10 percent of Arizona with solar cells or solar thermal "farms" and get more energy than we now get from coal, and (assuming the hoped-for technical improvements), cheaper than the current cost of coal.
257 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:36:52pm |
The Health Care Rationing Commission
Starting in 2015, Medicare could not grow more rapidly on a per capita basis than by a measure of inflation. After 2019, it could only grow at the same rate as GDP, plus one percentage point.
258 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:37:25pm |
259 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:38:56pm |
Just got finished exposing the to teenage step-critters to the a cultural icon, the move "Harold and Maude." They actually like it, caught all the humor and thanked me.
Then I untied them.
The 9:34 (mountain time) weather... it's currently 25 degrees (f) at 8200 feet at the Newtons Secret Mountain Lair, going down to a low of 15 degrees (f)...
Still about a 3/4 of a foot of snow on the ground from this weekends snow. We got a good foot on Sat. night. I stayed overnight at the theatre, no need to brave the 23 mile trek up hill when we have a nice pull out sofa bed in our lobby and breakfast across the street.
And how is everyone this evening?
260 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:39:06pm |
re: #253 Cato the Elder
Like to see them enforce that! They can't stop illegal or legal drugs illegally bought good luck with halting "illegal" care. Anyway... Well fine if she has the public option. Or an affordable one. If she could get in at the going normal rate fine. I'll pay it. Or a reasonable amount over the normal.
261 | SpaceJesus Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:39:41pm |
re: #244 eclectic infidel
Yeah. The evangelical crowd prides itself (without knowing it) on TEH STOOPID. They relish every moment...forthesakeofjesuschristomgwtfbbqkthnksbai .
So, how you doin' SpaceJesus?
yeah, that video makes me want to cry from outer space and never stop
262 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:39:44pm |
re: #256 lostlakehiker
Nice post. Thank you.
263 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:40:02pm |
re: #259 Walter L. Newton
Harold and Maude is one of the greatest movies of all time. :D
264 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:40:15pm |
re: #259 Walter L. Newton
Just got finished exposing the to teenage step-critters to the a cultural icon, the move "Harold and Maude." They actually like it, caught all the humor and thanked me.
Then I untied them.
The 9:34 (mountain time) weather... it's currently 25 degrees (f) at 8200 feet at the Newtons Secret Mountain Lair, going down to a low of 15 degrees (f)...
Still about a 3/4 of a foot of snow on the ground from this weekends snow. We got a good foot on Sat. night. I stayed overnight at the theatre, no need to brave the 23 mile trek up hill when we have a nice pull out sofa bed in our lobby and breakfast across the street.
And how is everyone this evening?
I had a tough day at work, but I'm basically all right.
265 | reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:40:16pm |
re: #239 rollwave87
ok...I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, this is a serious question:
If I were to say, like Sarah Palin did, that I believe in evolution (and all other science, including global warming: my dads also a science teacher), but I think that a higher power may have gotten the process started, why is that so wrong? Or is it wrong?
Nothing wrong with that. Many here believe as you do, myself included.
There are those, however, who do not accept that the science of evolution is real; I'm going to suggest to you, if you haven't done so already, that you check out some of the previous threads here, particularly the early ones, and also check out the Discovery Institute, the Wedge Strategy and the Wedge Document. In the Wedge Document, pay particular attention to the goals and short-term and long-term objectives.
These folks want to replace, in schools, the study of science (evolution) with their own religious version of creation, which may or may not match your own religious beliefs.
There is a difference between being a "creationist", and being a believer in God (or another power) in addition to accepting science.
266 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:41:01pm |
re: #261 spacejesus
yeah, that video makes me want to cry from outer space and never stop
Who gets to be Noah is that scenario?
267 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:41:20pm |
268 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:16pm |
re: #251 Killgore Trout
I don't find much objectionable. The worst bit is liking Palin, it's debatable but ultimately will be decided by the voters (who I can guarantee won't vote for her)
don't be so sure. again, as a gay Jew, Pat Buchanan is nearly the bane of my existence, but when he points out that Palin is being treated now quite similiarly to the way Reagan was treated pre-1980, he's on to something. considering how much bad press she gets, the fact that only 60% of people say they'd never vote for her is actually not that bad. and I think she did well on Oprah today. except for explaining why she resigned. if she does end up never winning politically again, it will be because of that. nobody wants a President who they think can't take the heat.
269 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:35pm |
re: #265 reine.de.tout
I came to the personal conclusion science shows how it happened. Fossils are the footsteps of the designer. Religious dogma on cosmology must be refernced with the science Of It's Time. Just my thinking on the matter.
270 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:40pm |
re: #260 Rightwingconspirator
Like to see them enforce that! They can't stop illegal or legal drugs illegally bought good luck with halting "illegal" care. Anyway... Well fine if she has the public option. Or an affordable one. If she could get in at the going normal rate fine. I'll pay it. Or a reasonable amount over the normal.
Umm...I meant it would be illegal for her to be excluded from coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
271 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:42:57pm |
re: #264 Dark_Falcon
I had a tough day at work, but I'm basically all right.
I wish I had a full time job to have a tough day at. But, glad you are ok.
272 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:43:37pm |
273 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:43:43pm |
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invited hundreds of attractive Italian "hostesses" to a villa in Rome last night for an evening at which he urged them to convert to Islam and told them Christianity was based on a fraud, Italian reports said today.The Libyan leader is in Italy to attend a United Nations summit on world food security. Reports said that Colonel Gaddafi's aides phoned an agency which provides elegantly dressed young women to act as hospitality staff at events.
The agency was asked to send 500 women to the residence of Hafed Gaddur, the Libyan ambassador in Rome, where Colonel Gaddafi is staying, over a series of evenings during the three day summit.
The agency advertised for "500 pleasing girls between 18 and 35 years of age, at least one metre 70 high." The women were asked to dress elegantly but soberly, with both miniskirts and cleavage-revealing decolletage firmly banned.
Those who replied were offered €60 (£53) to attend an evening at the villa for an "exchange of opinions" and to "receive a Libyan gift", which turned out to be a copy of the Koran. They were given nothing to eat or drink, however.
274 | freetoken Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:45:12pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
His personal guards need to be updated? What happened to the old ones, did they, in Hugo's words, "fill out"?
275 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:45:33pm |
re: #263 WindUpBird
Harold and Maude is one of the greatest movies of all time. :D
Yes it is, and the DVD finally fixes one of the problems with the original movie and the video tape. They balanced out the sound mix so it's at a constant level. The original movie used a lot of natural on set sound and they didn't do a lot of dubbing in the studio, so the sound level varies a lot from between different locations.
DVD has a good level volume.
276 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:45:33pm |
re: #270 Cato the Elder
I hope so, but the house version is aid to have no price cap. So if her c9ondition warrants a monthly premium of say $4000 she is still left without coverage. 5 billion set aside by the Feds for folks like her will last like the Cash For Clunkers money did.
277 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:46:18pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam
Oh, so that's what they call it these days.
278 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:46:42pm |
re: #274 freetoken
His personal guards need to be updated? What happened to the old ones, did they, in Hugo's words, "fill out"?
'There are no fat chicks in Islam'/
279 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:47:24pm |
re: #268 rollwave87
don't be so sure. again, as a gay Jew, Pat Buchanan is nearly the bane of my existence, but when he points out that Palin is being treated now quite similiarly to the way Reagan was treated pre-1980, he's on to something. considering how much bad press she gets, the fact that only 60% of people say they'd never vote for her is actually not that bad. and I think she did well on Oprah today. except for explaining why she resigned. if she does end up never winning politically again, it will be because of that. nobody wants a President who they think can't take the heat.
Midge Decter had a disturbing anecdote of something she and Pat Buchanan witnessed during the Reagan administration:
It was on one of these occasions [a meeting with President
Reagan] that I witnessed what was to me a truly shocking scene.
Before our meeting commenced, just as we had all taken our places
around the table and the president had arrived to take his, a group of
men with cameras filed by from one end of the room to the other
snapping pictures. And as they filed by, several of them shouted rude
questions at Reagan: "What have you got up your little sleeve now, Mr.
President?" and "Are you lying to the American people, Mr. President?"
All the while this was taking place, Reagan remained completely
impassive. "What the hell is going on?" I whispered to Pat Buchanan,
who happened to be sitting next to me. "This," said Pat, "is what
they call a photo op." "You mean," I asked, "that this is allowed to
go on all the time?"-- to which Pat shrugged and nodded. To this day
I cannot get over what I witnessed that day.
-- Midge Decter, An Old Wife's Tale, 2001
280 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:48:35pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam
Wonder if he harangued them as long as he did the UN General Assembly.
282 | SpaceJesus Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:49:07pm |
283 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:00pm |
Don't forget that the Leonid Meteor Shower will be visible tonight/this morning in North America and Asia. Here in Florida the best veiwing is suposed to be around 4:00am, they estimate that 25 to 50 meteors per hour will be visible.
[Link: www.spacedaily.com...]
284 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:14pm |
re: #281 The Sanity Inspector
Fare thee well, Assesor of the mental wellbeing persuasion!
285 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:50pm |
There is research - most of it anecdote - that contends that Heart Defect survivors from the 1950's and early 1960's tend to also have cancer. The reasoning is that in the early days of Congenital Cardiac care (when nobody knew nothing) those kids underwent every type of scan and x-ray that there was.
286 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:50:57pm |
287 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:51:04pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
he urged them to convert to Islam and told them Christianity was based on a fraud
I guess he wasn't an advocate of the attempt of the UN body that sought to ban criticism of religion.
288 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:52:07pm |
re: #251 Killgore Trout
btw: I was totally supporting Dede's candidacy in NY23, was disgusted by Doug Hoffman and his troglodyte supporters, and even more disgusted by Palin's intervention in the race. Despite all this, there's just something there. and something about her I like. and i've kind of given up trying to explain or justify it, other than to point out that pre-becoming a national figure there was a lot even LGF readers could've liked about her (what John McCain saw), and yeah, she's gone hard-right as of late, but in so far as those seem to be the only people who don't consider her a witch and/or a moron, I guess I sort of understand. If more moderate Republicans like myself spoke up for her and her record, as governor, maybe she'd be reminded again of her more independent roots. after the campaign, she sees the Washington GOP establishment as her enemy, because she feels like they stabbed her in the back. in some ways, people like Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan did. but the response to that shouldn't be to run into Glenn Beck and Pat Buchanan's arms. Im giving her some time to stabilize. I mean, who else on here has been basically pilloried by the entire country? she's embracing the only people who defended her.
289 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:54:29pm |
re: #251 Killgore Trout
How go the slug preserving containers?
Have you considered "slug hunting" by night?
I use pliers & a baggie of salt, rather than fingers...
290 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:55:19pm |
Time magazine hits new low...
There are today several odious attempts by Jewish extremists, like this one by Martin Peretz and this one by La Pasionaria of the Neocons, to argue that the massacre perpetrated by Nidal Hasan was somehow a direct consequence of his Islamic beliefs as opposed to a direct consequence of his insanity. To be sure, extreme religious beliefs and violent insanity are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they tend to track--among fanatics of all religions. There was, for example, the lunatic Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, who opened fire on Muslims praying at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron in 1994, killing 24 and wounding more than 100. There was also the lunatic Jewish settler who assassinated Yitzak Rabin. I can't remember many Jews calling these effusions of violence as a natural consequence of devout Judaism. They were acts of psychopathy, as was Hasan's bloodbath.
Do extremely religious people tend to be more psychologically damaged than less religious people? I doubt it, but it's not a bad question: Do any readers have access to polling or academic studies about the incidence of violent insanity among the devout?
In the meantime, we should identify the notion that Hasan's act was somehow a consequence of his religious orthodoxy for what it is: anti-Islamic bigotry.
291 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:56:21pm |
According to Muslim beliefs, for example, men in a state of pilgrimage should not wear any stitched items or touch alcohol. So what about wearing face masks or using alcohol-based sanitizers?
"One of the basic principles on which shariah (Islamic law) is based is the protection of the health," he says. "So if protection of the health is of such paramount importance, then the ritualistic significance of not wearing stitched clothes on your body is subservient to the need to maintain good health. And therefore wearing a mask is important. Using the sanitizer, which prevents this disease from spreading to others, is important."
292 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:57:40pm |
re: #288 rollwave87
Heh...well if I took what Jimmah or iceweasel have been saying at face value, she apparently morphed from 'Bible Spice' to a full-fledged socialist in pretty short order.
293 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:58:10pm |
re: #288 rollwave87
Very good analysis, rollwave. It strikes me as spot-on. However, Cato is still on-thread and I'll wait to see how he treats it before rendering final judgment. If it survives his hostility to all things Palin, then its a keeper.
294 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Nov 16, 2009 8:59:03pm |
re: #285 SteveC
Upthread at 212 I wrote of CT rather than mammogram for comforts sake. But an annual CT would rack up exposure quite a bit. It's a worry. The LA Times has a story where a scanner was set to high intensity as per looking for the most difficult tumor to see. Eight times the normal dose. But by mistake the machine was left on this ultra high setting for hundreds of tests and patients. Then hair started falling out of patients heads.
295 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:02:22pm |
re: #290 NJDhockeyfan
Time magazine hits new low...
Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth is going to get people killed.
296 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:02:49pm |
re: #294 Rightwingconspirator
Upthread at 212 I wrote of CT rather than mammogram for comforts sake. But an annual CT would rack up exposure quite a bit. It's a worry. The LA Times has a story where a scanner was set to high intensity as per looking for the most difficult tumor to see. Eight times the normal dose. But by mistake the machine was left on this ultra high setting for hundreds of tests and patients. Then hair started falling out of patients heads.
I think I saw that report too. IIRC, that scanner was an MRI - which originally was known as an MNRI for Magnetic Nuclear Resonance Imaging. The N... just sort of disappeared.
/Wonder where it went?
297 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:03:43pm |
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
May I?
Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth
is going to gethas gotten people killed.
298 | reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:04:47pm |
re: #288 rollwave87
There were a lot of folks here at LGF - again, MYSELF included, who were big Palin fans for awhile.
I will say that as time went on, I found myself just hoping she would do OK. She just never lived up to what I originally thought the potential was, and then, honestly, I found myself being less and less impressed with her.
I think as a politician and leader, there just isn't much there. Unlike Cato, however, who seems to think she is a terrible parent, I find myself having a great deal of sympathy with her struggles with her kids, particularly her oldest daughter, probably because I was having similar issues with my own daughter at the time. Honestly - it's not like kids come with an owner's manual. It just ain't easy to know how to handle situations, and you just do the best you can.
299 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:05:36pm |
re: #288 rollwave87
btw: I was totally supporting Dede's candidacy in NY23, was disgusted by Doug Hoffman and his troglodyte supporters, and even more disgusted by Palin's intervention in the race. Despite all this, there's just something there. and something about her I like. and i've kind of given up trying to explain or justify it, other than to point out that pre-becoming a national figure there was a lot even LGF readers could've liked about her (what John McCain saw), and yeah, she's gone hard-right as of late, but in so far as those seem to be the only people who don't consider her a witch and/or a moron, I guess I sort of understand. If more moderate Republicans like myself spoke up for her and her record, as governor, maybe she'd be reminded again of her more independent roots. after the campaign, she sees the Washington GOP establishment as her enemy, because she feels like they stabbed her in the back. in some ways, people like Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan did. but the response to that shouldn't be to run into Glenn Beck and Pat Buchanan's arms. Im giving her some time to stabilize. I mean, who else on here has been basically pilloried by the entire country? she's embracing the only people who defended her.
If it weren't for the GOP establishment, we wouldn't know her name. Reagan was able to pick up the ball and run, Palin was not. It's a matter of talent, or lack thereof on her part. That's why she's a joke.
300 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:08:32pm |
re: #298 reine.de.tout
Well said. As a person, I wish her the best. As a politician, she won't get my vote.
301 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:09:27pm |
re: #293 Dark_Falcon
Very good analysis, rollwave. It strikes me as spot-on. However, Cato is still on-thread and I'll wait to see how he treats it before rendering final judgment. If it survives his hostility to all things Palin, then its a keeper.
Well, there's not a lot there that would lend itself to ridiculing a child with Down's Syndrome, so it's probably Cato-safe.
302 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:10:11pm |
303 | Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:11:03pm |
re: #244 eclectic infidel
Yeah. The evangelical crowd prides itself (without knowing it) on TEH STOOPID. They relish every moment...forthesakeofjesuschristomgwtfbbqkthnksbai .
So, how you doin' SpaceJesus?
I think a lot of us have devolved in comparison with our immediate forebears. The people of early modern times, the 17th through the 19th centuries, were ignorant of many things we take for granted but they made the most of what knowledge they did possess.
Equipped with nothing but a crude telescope, a similarly primitive clock, and a quill pen, Ole Roemer determined the velocity of light to a fair degree of accuracy (and by an entirely valid method) in 1667.
In contrast, there are people today who have telephones in their pockets and computers in their homes who nevertheless refuse to believe that vaccines prevent disease, that men really landed on the Moon, or that the Earth is more than 6000 years old.
304 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:11:40pm |
re: #289 Floral Giraffe
I've been reduced to going out at night with a flashlight and a pair of scissors. I cut the little fuckers in half. The plastic jug containers work surprisingly well. I've had a few failures when I've managed to trap a slug in with my seedlings. I've modified the procedure to include dropping a few pellets of chelated Iron (Sluggo) into each jug when I seal them up. I'll know in a few weeks if that works but I suspect it will. I think this is going to become standard procedure for direct seeding for me. Works well late in the season so it should also do well for early seeding next year.
305 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:12:00pm |
Woman brings her parakeet to the veterinarian. The bird is lying motionless in the cage.
"Doc, I came home from the grocery store and found my parakeet like this! Do something!!!" So the vet examines the bird.
"I'm so sorry Mrs. Jones, but your bird has died."
"DOC, PLEASE! Don't tell me that! Can't you do something?" So the vet goes into the next room and brings out a kitten. The kitten look at the bird, sniffs it, moves it around with a paw, and looks up at the vet and shakes it's head.
'Mrs. Jones, I'm certain -"
"NOOO! Please doc, try something else! Anything!" So the doc goes in the back room and brings out the cutest little puppy. The puppy tries to play with the parakeet, and obviously nothing happens. The dog gently picks up the bird and places him at the end of the table.
"There really is nothing else to do."
"OK, doc," the woman sniffs. "How much do I owe you for trying?"
"Twenty four hundred dollars."
"That's... that's kind of expensive to tell me my parakeet died!"
"The pronouncement was free, but you wanted me to try more. So I did a CAT scan and then ran a Lab Report..."
306 | reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:12:09pm |
re: #301 cliffster
Well, there's not a lot there that would lend itself to ridiculing a child with Down's Syndrome, so it's probably Cato-safe.
cliffster - I think you (and some others) misunderstood Cato's posts. I didn't think Cato was ridiculing Palin's child or his condition; he was ridiculing what I think he believes was Palin's using that child for political gain.
307 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:12:19pm |
re: #298 reine.de.tout
Seconding the personal aspect of your post.
For the "not much there" bit, there's reason to think she allowed herself to be handled by McCain's handlers. McCain clearly couldn't campaign himself out of a paper bag in the big time. So, I'd like to see what she does on her own. I don't think it'll ever get to that, but if it does, I'll have an open mind.
308 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:14:31pm |
Later lizards. I hope you have a great evening!
309 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:14:41pm |
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth is going to get people killed.
They already have. Just by the fact that the left has spent almost 40 years inculcating society with political correctness, just by the fact that the left has constantly equated lack of diversity automatically with bigotry and hatred and just by the fact that the left has labeled any critical thinking as seething and raging, they have actually handcuffed everyone from policeman to the military.
Blood is already on the hands of the left, and it won't wash off.
310 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:16:24pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Pliers and a baggie of salt, is equally rewarding.
If a tad sadistic...
They foam...
311 | Ojoe Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:16:50pm |
Leonid meteor shower tonight, after about 1 am in the east, apparent source constellation Leo. Very useful atmosphere tonight. (N.O. Ar. Co2). Burning up the projectiles before they hit.
Good night all.
312 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:17:20pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Sluggo mildews into heaps of spreading gunk.
Keep a close eye on it.
I'm not a fan...
313 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:18:02pm |
re: #311 Ojoe
Fare thee well, Joseph of the 4th vowel in the alphabet persuasion!
314 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:18:36pm |
re: #306 reine.de.tout
cliffster - I think you (and some others) misunderstood Cato's posts. I didn't think Cato was ridiculing Palin's child or his condition; he was ridiculing what I think he believes was Palin's using that child for political gain.
I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point. So at best, it was opportunistic usage of a child's difficulties to ridicule that child's mother.
315 | Ojoe Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:18:53pm |
re: #309 Walter L. Newton
they have actually handcuffed everyone from policeman to the military.
As my contribution to unlocking the handcuffs, I will say
islam sucks the big weenie in hell.
BB tomotrrow.
316 | Ojoe Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:19:31pm |
317 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:19:52pm |
re: #311 Ojoe
Leonid meteor shower tonight, after about 1 am in the east, apparent source constellation Leo. Very useful atmosphere tonight. (N.O. Ar. Co2). Burning up the projectiles before they hit.
Good night all.
Are you still there. Your comment about the atmosphere. As a collector of meteorites and a good basic knowledge about rocks from space, your comment does not compute.
Explain if you are still around?
318 | reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:20:53pm |
re: #310 Floral Giraffe
Pliers and a baggie of salt, is equally rewarding.
If a tad sadistic...
They foam...
ew!
319 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:21:01pm |
re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw an entire three second meteor driving up the interstate tonight
going away from me (and it was early (7:30ish?)). If you can be up
between 1 & 3am? I think it'll be a doozie!
Probably a Taurid. We are on the tail end of that shower now.
Taurids are quite slow, but often bright. Leonids are very fast, with few seen before midnight.
320 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:21:06pm |
re: #301 cliffster
Well, there's not a lot there that would lend itself to ridiculing a child with Down's Syndrome, so it's probably Cato-safe.
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
Bad Craziness on full display. Time is showcasing the left's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the clear Jihadi behavior shown by Hasan. Their failure to admit the truth is going to get people killed.
Was it the left's failure to admit the truth or the military's failure to ask questions about this guy? Didn't he suggest that Muslim's should be let out of the military? That's a pretty radical suggestion that was missed.
321 | reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:04pm |
re: #314 cliffster
I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point. So at best, it was opportunistic usage of a child's difficulties to ridicule that child's mother.
I'll agree the language was stronger than necessary.
322 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:15pm |
I'm STILL reading "a world lit only by fire".
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
And I've gotten up to Lucretia Borgia, the 17 year old, who bore 8 childre in 8 years. And STILL has a bad reputation.
Aren't we LUCKY to live now?
I can't imagine.
(Nor would I be that desireable...)
323 | J.S. Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:42pm |
re: #290 NJDhockeyfan
(As I've noted a zillion times, being antisocial or psychopathic is not the same as being "insane" (as in delusional.) Note the author writes that we should all immediately chalk up the rampage as "a direct consequence of his insanity." Well there is no evidence yet of Hasan's "insanity." That requires a psychiatric assessment...yet to be done. But, again, given Hasan's actions prior to the rampage, calmly giving away all his material possessions, etc., how does that comport with a delusional psychotic? On the surface it appears wholly rational. The whole claim that "He was insane! Insane I tell you!" seems to me to be yet more "excuse-making" -- that is, to make sure the alleged perp is absolved of all criminal accountability. And, this does, unfortunately, seem to fit a pattern among certain journalists...)
324 | Ojoe Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:22:43pm |
re: #317 Walter L. Newton
If there were no atmosphere ALL the little space rocks would reach us on the surface.
Ow ! Ow! Owie ! Ow !
Many more would hit.
Ow Ow Ow !!!
325 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:23:34pm |
re: #324 Ojoe
Passes the Bandaid box to Ojoe...
327 | reine.de.tout Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:23:46pm |
re: #322 Floral Giraffe
I'm STILL reading "a world lit only by fire".
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
And I've gotten up to Lucretia Borgia, the 17 year old, who bore 8 childre in 8 years. And STILL has a bad reputation.
Aren't we LUCKY to live now?
I can't imagine.
(Nor would I be that desireable...)
We are indeed lucky to live now.
Really lucky!
328 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:24:05pm |
re: #320 flyers1974
OK...if he was a white evangelical midwesterner named Wagner who approved wholeheartedly the murder of Dr. Tiller in multiple slideshows that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, would his commanders be as reluctant to reprimand or demote him?
329 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:24:13pm |
re: #323 J.S.
This situation cries out for a guilty, but insane resulting in being institutionalized for the rest of their life, if we don't hang them to protect the rest of us.
330 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:25:11pm |
OFF with their heads, cried the Red Queen.
331 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:27:51pm |
re: #320 flyers1974
Was it the left's failure to admit the truth or the military's failure to ask questions about this guy? Didn't he suggest that Muslim's should be let out of the military? That's a pretty radical suggestion that was missed.
So let me get this straight. If you suggest, to the military brass, something that runs counter to one of the core military policies, and said military brass doesn't take your suggestion, then the next logical step is to start shooting your fellow soldiers on their home base? I have a simpler explanation, and it involves things that Time doesn't want to talk about.
332 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:28:25pm |
re: #328 Fenway_Nation
OK...if he was a white evangelical midwesterner named Wagner who approved wholeheartedly the murder of Dr. Tiller in multiple slideshows that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, would his commanders be as reluctant to reprimand or demote him?
Word.
333 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:28:43pm |
re: #324 Ojoe
If there were no atmosphere ALL the little space rocks would reach us on the surface.
Ow ! Ow! Owie ! Ow !
Many more would hit.
Ow Ow Ow !!!
Then your comment was intended to be a little humor, right? Because it sounded more like you were saying that there was something special about tonight's atmosphere.
And actually, it there was no atmosphere, then the space rocks would not be little. A meteor is normally a large chunk of space rock, which burns up or explodes into smaller pieces. Without the atmosphere, it would be a bunch of LARGE chunks that would reach us on the surface.
And for everyones information, it starts as a planetoid or boloid, when it enters the atmosphere it is a meteor and what arrives on earth is a meteorite.
334 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:29:23pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam
Did he use PowerPoint?
335 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:29:51pm |
336 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:31:07pm |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
I get the feeling that Ojoe was just whimsically trying to get people to go watch the meteor shower tonight. Which I think is a good suggestion; I've seen meteor showers when they're hot and it is definitely worth staying up for.
337 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:31:15pm |
re: #334 Cato the Elder
I think he pointed at them Powerfully, does that count?
338 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:04pm |
re: #323 J.S.
(As I've noted a zillion times, being antisocial or psychopathic is not the same as being "insane" (as in delusional.) Note the author writes that we should all immediately chalk up the rampage as "a direct consequence of his insanity." Well there is no evidence yet of Hasan's "insanity." That requires a psychiatric assessment...yet to be done. But, again, given Hasan's actions prior to the rampage, calmly giving away all his material possessions, etc., how does that comport with a delusional psychotic? On the surface it appears wholly rational. The whole claim that "He was insane! Insane I tell you!" seems to me to be yet more "excuse-making" -- that is, to make sure the alleged perp is absolved of all criminal accountability. And, this does, unfortunately, seem to fit a pattern among certain journalists...)
He is no more or less insane than his creed.
339 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:21pm |
340 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:37pm |
re: #328 Fenway_Nation
OK...if he was a white evangelical midwesterner named Wagner who approved wholeheartedly the murder of Dr. Tiller in multiple slideshows that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, would his commanders be as reluctant to reprimand or demote him?
I don't and can't know for sure, obviously. But this wasn't a nobody making that comment. Its hard for me to believe they are going to ignore that plus the other signs due to political correctness - for the potential cost alone I would think.
341 | Irenicum Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:33:59pm |
So kids, what's the hot topic tonight? It's late, and I'm just too damn lazy to read through all the posts.
342 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:34:18pm |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
Then your comment was intended to be a little humor, right? Because it sounded more like you were saying that there was something special about tonight's atmosphere.
And actually, it there was no atmosphere, then the space rocks would not be little. A meteor is normally a large chunk of space rock, which burns up or explodes into smaller pieces. Without the atmosphere, it would be a bunch of LARGE chunks that would reach us on the surface.
And for everyones information, it starts as a planetoid or boloid, when it enters the atmosphere it is a meteor and what arrives on earth is a meteorite.
According to this article, the particles are quite small even before they reach our atmosphere:
The Leonids are created by the comet Tempel-Tuttle, which passes through the inner solar system every 33 years on its orbit around the sun. Each time by, it leaves a new river of debris, mostly bits of ice and rock no bigger than a sand grain but a few the size of a pea or marble.
343 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:35:01pm |
re: #336 cliffster
I get the feeling that Ojoe was just whimsically trying to get people to go watch the meteor shower tonight. Which I think is a good suggestion; I've seen meteor showers when they're hot and it is definitely worth staying up for.
Oh, I agree, but I was just wondering if he was making some scientific statement about the effect of tonight's atmosphere versus any other night. My inquiry was in the interest of accurate science.
It's going down to 15 degrees here tonight. At 8200 feet high in the Rockies, and barely no ambient light, with a large back porch, I have a front row seat to these kinds of events, but I think I will stay warm.
Besides, I have about 50 pounds of meteorites sitting all around this house, if I really want to see fireworks, all I have to do is throw them at my girlfriend.
344 | oh_dude Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:35:25pm |
If evolution is real, how do you explain the existence of idiots?
345 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:36:35pm |
re: #344 oh_dude
If evolution is real, how do you explain the existence of idiots?
Technology and medicine, natural selection no longer applies as much to mankind as it once did.
347 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:37:52pm |
re: #342 solomonpanting
Yes, but my statement was in general. We get hit by about 10,000 pounds of space dust each day. My statement was in reference to space rocks that make it to the surface. Ojoe was talking about pieces that make it to the surface. Most space rocks that make it to the surface start out as large boloids which in turn strike our atmosphere as a meteor and usually explodes into smaller pieces.
348 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:39:05pm |
re: #331 cliffster
So let me get this straight. If you suggest, to the military brass, something that runs counter to one of the core military policies, and said military brass doesn't take your suggestion, then the next logical step is to start shooting your fellow soldiers on their home base? I have a simpler explanation, and it involves things that Time doesn't want to talk about.
I don't understand your first sentence about the next logical step. My point was that suggesting that members of the military should be able to get out on account of their religion, is a radical idea, at least coming from someone of his rank. That comment deserved looking into.
349 | Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:40:03pm |
re: #344 oh_dude
If evolution is real, how do you explain the existence of idiots?
They continue to play a role as consumers of mass media.
350 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:40:31pm |
By the way, this would be a good time to offer my free, own your own 4.3 billion year old piece of space rock offer.
Click on my name, go to my web site and find my email address and if you email me your address, I will send you free some rocks from space, with some interesting printed material.
No scam, no spam, I don't have some business here, just passing on some fun. A lot of Lizards over the years have taken me up on the offer.
So, in honor of tonight's space event, email me and I'll get a package off to you sometime next week.
351 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:40:41pm |
re: #314 cliffster
I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point. So at best, it was opportunistic usage of a child's difficulties to ridicule that child's mother.
You accuse me of opportunism when Palin was the one who used her child's Down Syndrome to tug at the idiot emotional heartstrings of the loony right in her lie about "death panels"? I'm the opportunistic one?
Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.
352 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:42:05pm |
re: #348 flyers1974
I don't understand your first sentence about the next logical step. My point was that suggesting that members of the military should be able to get out on account of their religion, is a radical idea, at least coming from someone of his rank. That comment deserved looking into.
Fair enough, then, I misinterpreted the point you were making, my apologies. Personally, I think the military probably had their eye on him, and were hoping he would lead them to something bigger. But they didn't anticipate that he'd go vigilante and take up his own personal Jihad instead of waiting to fall in line with a more coordinated one.
353 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:43:22pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
re: #314 cliffster
I understand what you're saying, but I saw on more than one occasion that Cato was willing to make statements in very bad taste to prove his point.
No, you're mistaken.
Oh, wait...
Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.
354 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:43:23pm |
re: #327 reine.de.tout
We are indeed lucky to live now.
Really lucky!
The first Congenital Heart Surgery was November 29, 1944 - 65 years ago. If you were born with a heart defect before that, you died. If you were very lucky you made it to your tenth birthday. When news of the new heart operation became public, so many people came to Johns Hopkins Hospital that the surgical team did over 200 operations in a single calendar year. At least one couple actually walked to Baltimore from their home in West Virginia, carrying their sick child.
In 1955 John Gibbon invented the heart/lung machine. The first patient survived. The next three patients died on the operating room table and Gibbon never used it again.
The first "valve repair" took place a few years later. The goal of the operation was to relieve Mitral Valve Stenosis, which is medical jargon for making a small valve bigger. The surgeon literally made a small incision in the heart and pushed his finger through the valve! It worked.
My first operation in 1967 was a relatively new procedure known as the Glenn Shunt. I was 5th in the world to survive.
355 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:43:53pm |
re: #343 Walter L. Newton
Besides, I have about 50
pounds of meteorites sitting all around this house, if I really want to
see fireworks, all I have to do is throw them at my girlfriend.
That's about ten times the mass of my collection! What's your favorite piece? Mine is a small slice of Vesta.
356 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:45:31pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
The last sentence of your comment is not only idiotic but inhuman and beyond the pale.
Withdraw.
357 | wee fury Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:45:52pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
That is harsh. Could you provide a link to prove the statement, please.
358 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:46:06pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
You accuse me of opportunism when Palin was the one who used her child's Down Syndrome to tug at the idiot emotional heartstrings of the loony right in her lie about "death panels"? I'm the opportunistic one?
Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.
I invoke Godwin, this is a clear violation of thread neutrality ordinances as signed by all parties at the Geneva conference.
359 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:46:07pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
re: #352 cliffster
Fair enough, then, I misinterpreted the point you were making, my apologies. Personally, I think the military probably had their eye on him, and were hoping he would lead them to something bigger. But they didn't anticipate that he'd go vigilante and take up his own personal Jihad instead of waiting to fall in line with a more coordinated one.
I'm not a fan of political correctness myself. I just think there was more than meets the eye here, such as lack of personnel, crossed communication or as you said, he acted before the government acted, etc..., his comments seem too bizarre to ignore for mere reasons of political correctness,
361 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:47:47pm |
re: #356 Spare O'Lake
The last sentence of your comment is not only idiotic but inhuman and beyond the pale.
Withdraw.
No.
362 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:47:49pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
You accuse me of opportunism when Palin was the one who used her child's Down Syndrome to tug at the idiot emotional heartstrings of the loony right in her lie about "death panels"? I'm the opportunistic one?
Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.
It's your life, you rationalize all the hateful words that you want. Palin is just trying to raise her kid as best she can and whatever you say doesn't hurt her one bit.
363 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:48:43pm |
re: #354 SteveC
Congratulations!
You are so very lucky!
My father had one of the first spinal fusions ever done.
They fused 18 inches of his spine.
He didn't bend at the waist.
He spent 2 years flat on his back, in bed, once he got out of the hospital.
He was so very very grateful all of his life, to have been able to walk.
He was not an easy father.
But I always appreciated his struggles with his back.
And the pain.
I miss him.
364 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:49:23pm |
re: #312 Floral Giraffe
Sluggo mildews into heaps of spreading gunk.
Keep a close eye on it.
I'm not a fan...
That's the worst haiku I've seen today.
366 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:51:03pm |
re: #355 HypnoToad
That's about ten times the mass of my collection! What's your favorite piece? Mine is a small slice of Vesta.
My special favorite is my Brahin pallasite slice. But the pieces that garner the most interest is my 20mg Mars piece and my 30mg lunar piece. I also have a good selection of various types of impacta.
My all around favorite is the lowly NWA 869. A good slice of that rock is the ultimate example of everything there is to see in a stoney. It's really a classic piece for it's educational qualities.
367 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:51:37pm |
re: #361 Cato the Elder
No.
I'm with you Cato. I remember when it was very uncool to even mildly suggest that Palin wasn't all as advertised. I remember Ice Weasel being politely advised not to critisize her because people here felt protective of Palin. It has been a while since the Summer of Palin craziness, people forget, I think.
368 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:51:55pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
Cato, I'm going to assume you're drunk and invoke the Iron Fist rule instead of reporting your ass. If you are in fact sober, then you have something seriously wrong with you. That statement in not only untrue, but in fact downright vile.
P.S: The rule doesn't change its name. It's not its fault that its originator decided to be an asshole and get himself banned.
369 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:52:00pm |
re: #360 Irenicum
Done!
And as all Lizards know, I respect and honor you email address. I don't use it for anything other than to contact you if needed.
I'll get you out some rocks next week.
370 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:52:31pm |
re: #350 Walter L. Newton
4.3 Billion years ehh?
That number seems suspiciously familiar somehow, hmm, what do we all know about that is 4.3 Billion years old?
/(or 6000 according to Ray Comfort)
371 | Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:53:54pm |
re: #350 Walter L. Newton
Excellent! Check your e-mail.
372 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:54:13pm |
re: #366 Walter L. Newton
Cool collection! I've held both Mars and Lunar specimens, but don't have any. Mostly Nickel Irons in mine. Plus a lot of tektites.
373 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:54:25pm |
re: #367 flyers1974
I'm with you Cato. I remember when it was very uncool to even mildly suggest that Palin wasn't all as advertised. I remember Ice Weasel being politely advised not to critisize her because people here felt protective of Palin. It has been a while since the Summer of Palin craziness, people forget, I think.
Noone deserves the slanderous hate-libel contained in the last sentence of the comment which you support. Shame on you too.
374 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:55:02pm |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
Cato, I'm going to assume you're drunk and invoke the Iron Fist rule instead of reporting your ass. If you are in fact sober, then you have something seriously wrong with you. That statement in not only untrue, but in fact downright vile.
P.S: The rule doesn't change its name. It's not its fault that its originator decided to be an asshole and get himself banned.
I am stone-cold sober. I think Palin would do anything for power. Report away.
re: #367 flyers1974
I'm with you Cato. I remember when it was very uncool to even mildly suggest that Palin wasn't all as advertised. I remember Ice Weasel being politely advised not to critisize her because people here felt protective of Palin. It has been a while since the Summer of Palin craziness, people forget, I think.
There was a woman on here who got something like 493 downdings for saying things about Palin back during the campaign that would be considered mild today. Someone should invite her back to LGF.
376 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:55:31pm |
re: #373 Spare O'Lake
Noone deserves the slanderous hate-libel contained in the last sentence of the comment which you support. Shame on you too.
Who is "Noone"?
377 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:12pm |
re: #299 flyers1974
If it weren't for the GOP establishment, we wouldn't know her name. Reagan was able to pick up the ball and run, Palin was not. It's a matter of talent, or lack thereof on her part. That's why she's a joke.
I totally agree with you that Palin's anger at the GOP establishment is misplaced. especially her treatment of Steve Schmidt. just imagine, he put his entire career on the line making the case for McCain to pick her, and now she completely throws him under the bus. that is pretty inexcusable, unless he really is like some sort of really cruel douche. but i met him when he came here to tulane for james carville's class, and have seen him on cpsan, and he seems like a pretty nice guy.
all that said, a joke she most certainly is not. if she were really a joke, would the nation magazine feel the need to put out an anti-palin book at the same time going rogue comes out?
378 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:28pm |
re: #370 ausador
4.3 Billion years ehh?
That number seems suspiciously familiar somehow, hmm, what do we all know about that is 4.3 Billion years old?/(or 6000 according to Ray Comfort)
Most of the material that makes up our physical solar system came into existence about 4.3 billion years ago, while the sun was still in it's proto stage and surround by a spiral cloud of gas.
So whether is be a whole planet, an asteroid or a meteor, it all comes from that material spinning around the proto-sun.
It's amazing to be able to hold something that old in your hand.
379 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:35pm |
re: #364 Guanxi88
That's the worst haiku I've seen today.
OMG,
It was supposed to be Haiku!
*Smacks forhead in distress*
On second thought, pours another glass of wine!
*clink*
380 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:55pm |
re: #376 Cato the Elder
Who is "Noone"?
That's the guy that's justified in saying the crap that you say.
381 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:56:56pm |
382 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:57:01pm |
re: #372 HypnoToad
Cool collection! I've held both Mars and Lunar specimens, but don't have any. Mostly Nickel Irons in mine. Plus a lot of tektites.
Dad-gummit, Lizards got interesting hobbies! I'm kinda out of place - All I've got is a couple of vintage baseball cards running around here someplace...
/Pee Wee Reese and Bob Gibson FTW!
383 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:57:25pm |
384 | flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:58:07pm |
re: #383 flyers1974
He was saying Peggy Noone deserved your comment, I think.
My bad, that would be Noonan.
385 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:58:31pm |
The chair took 83 minutes to reach an altitude of 98,268 feet and just 24 minutes to fall back to earth
386 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:58:52pm |
Appropriate:
re: #300 Sharmuta
Well said. As a person, I wish her the best. As a politician, she won't get my vote.
Completely inappropriate, and downright mean and nasty:
re: #351 Cato the Elder
Sarah Palin would sell Trig to Doktor Mengele for a dollar if she thought it would get her closer to power.
Dude. Seriously.
387 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:18pm |
Palin Palin Palin. Enough! Good grief, what is the fascination with her, one way or another? She's an ex-governor of Alaska and a former VP candidate.
There are actual VP's I bet no one here can even remember after at least 4 years in office.
I don't get it. OK, you hate her. OK, you love her. She's really not relevant right now. This is becoming worse than seeing Jennifer Anniston on every gossip mag in the checkout stand for the last five years. For crying out loud, people are discussing what was on Oprah today in LGF?
388 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:20pm |
re: #382 SteveC
Dad-gummit, Lizards got interesting hobbies! I'm kinda out of place - All I've got is a couple of vintage baseball cards running around here someplace...
/Pee Wee Reese and Bob Gibson FTW!
All I've got are rookie cards for Cal Ripkin and Ken Griffey, Jr.
389 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:25pm |
re: #377 rollwave87
I totally agree with you that Palin's anger at the GOP establishment is misplaced. especially her treatment of Steve Schmidt. just imagine, he put his entire career on the line making the case for McCain to pick her, and now she completely throws him under the bus. that is pretty inexcusable, unless he really is like some sort of really cruel douche. but i met him when he came here to tulane for james carville's class, and have seen him on cpsan, and he seems like a pretty nice guy.
all that said, a joke she most certainly is not. if she were really a joke, would the nation magazine feel the need to put out an anti-palin book at the same time going rogue comes out?
Sarah Palin is the Megan Fox of politics. Expect there to be a "letter from the tech crew" soon, telling what she's really like to work with.
No, she's not a joke. The fact that she's still being taking seriously on the right is proof of that. Shudder.
390 | Irenicum Mon, Nov 16, 2009 9:59:27pm |
re: #354 SteveC
You remind me of the stories my mother told me of my surgeries. I was born with a heart murmur and a cleft lip and cleft pallet. My murmur wasn't operated on. Thankfully it wasn't serious enough. But my clefts were. I had numerous surgeries throughout my infancy and early childhood. My surgeon got his experience in Korea treating war wounds. To this day I see other people my age with less severe cases having more noticeable scars than I ever had or have. I will always be grateful for the work of my doctor and those around him in getting this "new" technique used. My life was and is immeasurably improved and positively impacted by that. Modern medicine is a miracle of science.
391 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:00:50pm |
re: #372 HypnoToad
Cool collection! I've held both Mars and Lunar specimens, but don't have any. Mostly Nickel Irons in mine. Plus a lot of tektites.
And iron meteorites are my least favorite for some reason. I guess I just dig the various petrology found in chondrites. Etching patterns in irons don't do much for me. Pallasites and mesosiderites (like Vaca Muerta) are much more interesting.
392 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:01:07pm |
re: #387 borgcube
I'm sorry you are disappointed by what people want to talk about.
393 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:02:15pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
it's amazing how differently people can see things. I saw her playing with Trig on Oprah today and let me tell you, if the love her family was showing that cute little guy was all an act, the Palin's are the damn best actors in human history. I actually got a little teary eyed watching it. Im pro-choice, but I even respected what she was saying about abortion. Who the hell are you to judge someone in that position? Ive personally known someone who had an abortion because they found out their baby was down syndrome. i didnt judge her. but i sure as hell dont judge sarah palin for not being ashamed of her son, either. id just hope shed have the same philosophy if they were gay...
394 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:02:44pm |
re: #388 solomonpanting
All I've got are rookie cards for Cal Ripkin and Ken Griffey, Jr.
Now, I've got a card from 1910, one of the tabacco cards. It's someone no one has ever heard of and it is in rough shape, but it was from NINETEEN-FREAKIN'-TEN! and I could afford it.
395 | Irenicum Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:03:19pm |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
Thank you. I look forward to my mail!
396 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:04:26pm |
re: #392 cliffster
I'm disappointed that you're dissappointed that borgcube is dissappointed.
397 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:04:31pm |
re: #387 borgcube
[...] For crying out loud, people are discussing what was on Oprah today in LGF?
Why do you hate Oprah?
398 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:04:47pm |
re: #387 borgcube
For crying out loud, people are discussing what was on Oprah today in LGF?
love her or hate her, people that know people know that sarah palin just brings out a certain visceral emotion in others. i would both myself and people like cato in this camp. that force is stupid to ignore. to do so is basically to stick your head in the sand.
399 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:05:11pm |
re: #392 cliffster
Sorry. What I meant is that I don't get the insane passions she brings out in people and it just seems like every discussion about her turns into either crazy ranting or People Magazine rubbish.
400 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:05:20pm |
re: #394 SteveC
Now, I've got a card from 1910, one of the tabacco cards. It's someone no one has ever heard of and it is in rough shape, but it was from NINETEEN-FREAKIN'-TEN! and I could afford it.
Meteorites can be very inexpensive, considering. You can have small 40-50 gram chunks for 5-10 dollars. Lunar and Martian meteorites are pricey. I paid almost 150 dollars for a 20 milligram fragment of a Martian meteorite. But it's amazing to hold a piece of friggin Mars in your hand.
402 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:06:30pm |
re: #394 SteveC
Now, I've got a card from 1910, one of the tabacco cards. It's someone no one has ever heard of and it is in rough shape, but it was from NINETEEN-FREAKIN'-TEN! and I could afford it.
That's fantastic. Got a spare Honus Wager lying around?
404 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:07:29pm |
re: #396 Fenway_Nation
I'm disappointed that you're dissappointed that borgcube is dissappointed.
I wasn't "disappointed", I was "sorry". So I'm disappointed that you are inappropriately disappointed in my disappointment in borgcube's disappointment.
405 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:07:32pm |
re: #403 Sharmuta
That would be Chargers. Thanks Sharmuta!
406 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:07:51pm |
re: #400 Walter L. Newton
Meteorites can be very inexpensive, considering. You can have small 40-50 gram chunks for 5-10 dollars. Lunar and Martian meteorites are pricey. I paid almost 150 dollars for a 20 milligram fragment of a Martian meteorite. But it's amazing to hold a piece of friggin Mars in your hand.
I'm taking you up on your offer. Email on the way.
I like old coins. You can get decent Greek and Roman ones for far less than you might imagine. I wear around my neck a Trajan coin that was made around the time the New Testament was being written.
407 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:08:54pm |
re: #402 solomonpanting
That's fantastic. Got a spare Honus Wager lying around?
Well, if you don't mind the word REPRINT on the back, the answer is yes! :)
408 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:10:54pm |
re: #403 Sharmuta
So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?
They traded {him} and {the other fellow} hurt his knee. I think we're down the drain.
//Wait 'till next year!
409 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:12:12pm |
re: #403 Sharmuta
So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?
Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"
410 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:12:51pm |
If you're near NorCal you can see the Space shuttle fly over in about one minute.
Outside.
411 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:10pm |
re: #391 Walter L. Newton
I started with the irons and use them for display to school groups. The kids love how heavy they are for their size. I need to round out my collection a bit, I only have one small stony individual.
412 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:34pm |
re: #409 cliffster
Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"
I've always used it as a humorous way to change the subject, not to make fun of anyone.
413 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:38pm |
414 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:13:43pm |
re: #403 Sharmuta
So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?
They lost, again. By a feildgoal in the last minutes of the game...but, but, it is because it is a "rebuilding year", just like every year except for one in recent history.
415 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:14:35pm |
re: #409 cliffster
Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"
Because caring which team puts which kind of ball over what line is kinda dumb?
416 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:14:55pm |
re: #374 Cato the Elder
There was a woman on here who got something like 493 downdings for saying things about Palin back during the campaign that would be considered mild today. Someone should invite her back to LGF.
she's probably pretty well settled in at CodePink's site by now, no?
417 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:15:28pm |
re: #413 solomonpanting
So, you're a Cubs fan?
//
South Carolina Gamecock. Google our football history - next year never comes and/or we have the patience of Job.
418 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:15:44pm |
re: #397 Bagua
Besides the fact that she is the symbolic leader of an ever growing number of American touchy feely mega wussies straight-jacketed by their desire to have it all while risking nothing to get it? Or was it something else you were asking?
419 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:16:16pm |
re: #416 rollwave87
she's probably pretty well settled in at CodePink's site by now, no?
I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.
420 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:16:38pm |
re: #415 Cato the Elder
Because caring which team puts which kind of ball over what line is kinda dumb?
yeah. true. attacking someone's motives for not aborting their baby is a much better way to spend your time.
421 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:17:54pm |
re: #406 Cato the Elder
I'm taking you up on your offer. Email on the way.
I like old coins. You can get decent Greek and Roman ones for far less than you might imagine. I wear around my neck a Trajan coin that was made around the time the New Testament was being written.
I know. I collect ancient Greek and Roman, although m collection is at a minimum right now since I had to sell off a lot of my high power pieces over the last 5 years to make ends meet. Most of my good stuff were in the 400 to 2000 dollar range.
422 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:18:00pm |
re: #418 borgcube
Besides the fact that she is the symbolic leader of an ever growing number of American touchy feely mega wussies straight-jacketed by their desire to have it all while risking nothing to get it?
And a kingmaker in politics. And a rainmaker for authors. Want to get an office you're unqualified for? Wanna have sales out of all proportion to your talent? Oprah.
423 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:18:41pm |
re: #406 Cato the Elder
By the way, the script is in the email to you, space rocks next week.
424 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:19:26pm |
re: #403 Sharmuta
So... how about them [insert local sports franchise]?
I care not for pro sports of any kind. There are more important things to do with my time.
Except when the Packers are playing.
425 | Irenicum Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:20:13pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
Cato,
I agree with you on many issues. And I'm more than willing to post a story about Pailn's awful lack of leadership or even knowledge of what makes someone ready for national leadership. And yet I cannot stand by and let what you said be uncorrected. I know you see her as a stain on our national politics. On that I agree. But to accuse her of being willing to give up her child to a Mengele is beyond the pale. Please understand what you're invoking. There is absolutely no reason to go the extent that you went with your statement. As a fellow lizard who considers you a friend please reconsider what you've said. Rhetoric is powerful. And if used wrongly can be poisonous. On this point I think you went too far.
426 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:20:17pm |
re: #420 rollwave87
yeah. true. attacking someone's motives for not aborting their baby is a much better way to spend your time.
When did I ever say such a thing? I said Palin used Trig's disability to further her lie about death panels. That's a simple statement of fact.
I never said anything one way or the other re Palin and abortion. Never.
That I believe she'd do damn near anything to achieve power is my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But don't put words in my mouth.
427 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:20:50pm |
re: #424 HypnoToad
I care not for pro sports of any kind. There are more important things to do with my time.
Except when the Packers are playing.
And here I thought you were a smart man, instead you're just a cheesehead.
/entirely kidding. Just a Bears fan ribbing a Packers fan, though the Packers are certainly having a better year.
428 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:21:46pm |
re: #417 SteveC
South Carolina Gamecock. Google our football history - next year never comes and/or we have the patience of Job.
The other USC? Sorry, no disrespect.
All-time record 532–531–44 (.501)
I've seen worse.
429 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:22:01pm |
re: #418 borgcube
Besides the fact that she is the symbolic leader of an ever growing number of American touchy feely mega wussies straight-jacketed by their desire to have it all while risking nothing to get it? Or was it something else you were asking?
Empress of vast legions of easily-swayed lowbrows; purveyor of misplaced compassion and moral myopia masquerading as enlightenment; she who inflicted, inter alia, Deepak Chopra and that ranting fool who wrote that bible for the terminally self-involved, "The Secret".
Someday, there'll be the cultural equivalent of the Nuremberg Tribunals. All those hauled up (the aforementioned authors, Tom Cruise, the anti-vaxxers, the new agers, the professional autism "advocates" and assorted intellectual and cultural polluters will all point the finger at Oprah. "just following trends" will be their shallow and empty defense, and they'll all shift the blame to her.
430 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:22:44pm |
re: #351 Cato the Elder
Cato I hope you will keep posting.
I admit to not understanding everything that you post, but I am glad for the opportunity to learn from you.
I get that you have PDS, but that's OK. Lots of us have DS going on right now.
Please consider this an encouragement post.
Thanks!
431 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:23:12pm |
re: #409 cliffster
Why is it that non-sports-watchers have started using the "[insert athletic allegiance here]" line to make fun of people who watch sports? You don't see us saying, "So... did you see that [insert History Channel show here] the other day?"
That's because everyone's team is different, not because I'm not a sports fan. I love sports, I'm just not good at them. Except badminton.
432 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:09pm |
re: #405 borgcube
That would be Chargers. Thanks Sharmuta!
And how are your Lightening Bolts this year?
433 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:15pm |
re: #431 Sharmuta
LOL!
When I played, we called in Good Minton!
*whack*
434 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:30pm |
re: #430 Floral Giraffe
I don't take it that he has any PDS or any other type of derangement. The man does not suffer fools.
435 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:24:40pm |
re: #424 HypnoToad
I care not for pro sports of any kind. There are more important things to do with my time.
Except when the Packers are playing.
So- how about that Brett Favre?
436 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:25:02pm |
re: #428 solomonpanting
The other USC? Sorry, no disrespect.
All-time record 532–531–44 (.501)
I didn't realize it was this close. We've won 1 more game than we've lost.
*Sigh* I support a socialist football team.
437 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:25:08pm |
re: #431 Sharmuta
That's because everyone's team is different, not because I'm not a sports fan. I love sports, I'm just not good at them. Except badminton.
So your good at batting cocks?
/yikes
438 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:25:12pm |
re: #431 Sharmuta
That's because everyone's team is different, not because I'm not a sports fan. I love sports, I'm just not good at them. Except badminton.
I think my college's badminton team could kick the *** out of your college's badminton team!
439 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:26:08pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.
"user:annefrance" and set the search date to last fall.
440 | Neutral President Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:26:15pm |
re: #432 Sharmuta
And how are your Lightening Bolts this year?
They seem to be turning around what was looking to possibly a dismal season. Still not expecting a Super Bowl appearance though.
442 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:28:16pm |
re: #437 ausador
So your good at batting cocks?
/yikes
Knee, meet crotch!
*introductions are made!*
(breathless) Ple..pleased to meet ya... *moan!*
443 | Neutral President Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:28:17pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.
The veil covering the full extent of her inner kook was not yet lifted at that time though. People has uncritical adoration of her that was equivalent to the people fainting at Obama campaign speeches. Now... not so much.
444 | Neutral President Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:29:14pm |
445 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:00pm |
re: #443 ArchangelMichael
The veil covering the full extent of her inner kook was not yet lifted at that time though. People has uncritical adoration of her that was equivalent to the people fainting at Obama campaign speeches. Now... not so much.
Two sides of the same counterfeit coin.
446 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:17pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
I wish I knew how to look up that comment. It was epic. And the things she said that got her as whupped back then you can read in Charles's comments today.
I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.
447 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:23pm |
re: #429 Guanxi88
I think you've been watching a bit much.
I must add this however to be in full disclosure: I have benefited immensely in my business (not directly of course) from her farcical interviews and shows dealing with a certain area of health and wellness.
We laugh all the way to the bank. Thanks Oprah.
448 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:30:38pm |
re: #426 Cato the Elder
When did I ever say such a thing? I said Palin used Trig's disability to further her lie about death panels. That's a simple statement of fact.
I never said anything one way or the other re Palin and abortion. Never.
That I believe she'd do damn near anything to achieve power is my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But don't put words in my mouth.
I guess the angle Im seeing things from is that she's been continuously accused of using Trig as some sort of prop, but all Ive ever seen her do is love him like a mother would love any newborn baby. So if someone says that by doing simply that she's using him, the logical conclusion would be that the only way for her not to use him would be to never have had him at all, if all she does is treat him like any normal baby would be treated. in other words, if merely taking your disabled baby out in public means you're trying to use them, what's the alternative?
449 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:31:12pm |
re: #425 Irenicum
Would you be happier if I said, "Palin would gussy up a loser like Levi Johnston and try to make him look like a stand-up guy just for show because she needed to front for the Socons at the convention; she'd quit in the middle of her term as governor because the gold was winking at her from the lower 48; she'd shamelessly use her son's Down Syndrome to further a lie for political gain; she'd collaborate with White Supremacists; and I'm pretty sure there's not much she wouldn't do to gain power"?
Because all of those things are true, and my harsh rhetoric was meant to highlight just what a mendacious, opportunistic, conscienceless person she is. Apparently it backfired. Oh, well.
450 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:31:34pm |
re: #427 Dark_Falcon
And here I thought you were a smart man, instead you're just a cheesehead.
/entirely kidding. Just a Bears fan ribbing a Packers fan, though the Packers are certainly having a better year.
Harrrumph! Not just a cheesehead, a Native Wisconsin Cheesehead! Although I've now been in SoCal for decades.
Yesterday was filled with pizza, icecream, a widescreen tv at my sister's, and beating Dallas. Dosn't get better than that!
452 | Flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:32:45pm |
re: #426 Cato the Elder
When did I ever say such a thing? I said Palin used Trig's disability to further her lie about death panels. That's a simple statement of fact.
I never said anything one way or the other re Palin and abortion. Never.
That I believe she'd do damn near anything to achieve power is my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But don't put words in my mouth.
People must be focusing on your use of the name "Mengele" and are reading too much into that. Others have mentioned Palin using Trig to hype the "death panels" thing and there was much accord, very little dissent, at least as can be seen from the comments.
453 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:32:55pm |
re: #447 borgcube
I think you've been watching a bit much.
I must add this however to be in full disclosure: I have benefited immensely in my business (not directly of course) from her farcical interviews and shows dealing with a certain area of health and wellness.
We laugh all the way to the bank. Thanks Oprah.
At one of my many gigs, we can tell when She has been talking about what the professionals there do. It;s funny that she can drive so many middle-class hausfrauen to try Chinese medicine. She's good for business, bad for America.
454 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:24pm |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.
My goodness, there are people on that list that I have net seen before or since!
Comments posted: 18
Karma -619
That's the ultimate "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!!"
455 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:39pm |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.
Yeah, that sounds a lot like stuff that Charles has been posting lately. I guess Cato was right
// get a grip
456 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:50pm |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.
here's the money quote from her: "I understood at first why the Republican party would choose someone as "pure et dure" (pure and hard) as this woman, who thought it wise to bring a fifth child into the world who has Down's Syndrome. "
i honestly can't even respond to that. so what's the criteria for aborting babies? maybe since im gay, and there was some prenatal way to tell, my parents should have just aborted me too...i mean, what the hell. and im pro-choice, at least, i thought i was until i read some of these sick comments.
457 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:34:56pm |
re: #439 Sharmuta
"user:annefrance" and set the search date to last fall.
Too complicated: Cato, simply ask Sherman to set the wayback machine to September of 2008 and log onto LGF when you get there.
459 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:36:23pm |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
I found that vile comment, Cato. Here it is, folks: The nasty comment that holds the downding record.
Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.
460 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:36:36pm |
461 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:05pm |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.
She was, in her way, a premature anti-Palinist, for those who get the reference.
462 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:06pm |
re: #432 Sharmuta
Well, back from the dead as usual. For now. Certain to disappoint again if they make the playoffs. It's like that here. We're the only major city in the US to have never won any major anything sports related. Hell, Dennis Conner even lost the America's Cup for the US for the first time in something like 900 years because it was held San Diego.
Everyone thinks Cubs fans have it bad. Ha! You don't know sports hell until you follow the Chargers and Padres. But follow them I will.
463 | SteveC Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:08pm |
Well, I'm outta here. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!
464 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:37:51pm |
re: #456 rollwave87
That's the things about being pro-choice. That means it's the woman's choice and that comment was disgusting and cruel in that there is nothing wrong with the decision Sarah made.
465 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:38:00pm |
re: #449 Cato the Elder
Would you be happier if I said, "Palin would gussy up a loser like Levi Johnston and try to make him look like a stand-up guy just for show because she needed to front for the Socons at the convention; she'd quit in the middle of her term as governor because the gold was winking at her from the lower 48; she'd shamelessly use her son's Down Syndrome to further a lie for political gain; she'd collaborate with White Supremacists; and I'm pretty sure there's not much she wouldn't do to gain power"?
Because all of those things are true, and my harsh rhetoric was meant to highlight just what a mendacious, opportunistic, conscienceless person she is. Apparently it backfired. Oh, well.
Honestly, Cato, if you had said that I would not have downdinged you or gotten mad. But your statement that she holds her own child in such low regard was on the line. You need to govern your anger towards Sarah Palin better. She's not a monster.
466 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:39:10pm |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.
Considering "Annefrancis" couldn't even spot a photo shop... "Where I might have otherwise been amused by the silly photo of Sarah Palin in a Stars 'n Stripes bikini, toting a shotgun, all I see now is trailer trash - no, worse than trailer trash" I would hold most of her comment as someone who has an agenda more than intelligence.
468 | Flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:22pm |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.
And I bet if you took the politics out of that comment, i.e., if it were a comment about john doe, no one would have bothered to down ding it - certainly not 400+.
469 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:48pm |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.
I also object to her comments about Bristol Palin. She seems to think that Bristol should have had an abortion. That she could be so cavalier about such a thing is much of what richly earned her so many downdings.
470 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:58pm |
re: #466 Walter L. Newton
Maybe annefrance is working for MSNBC now...
471 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:40:59pm |
re: #468 Flyers1974
And I bet if you took the politics out of that comment, i.e., if it were a comment about john doe, no one would have bothered to down ding it - certainly not 400+.
No one likes to see their idols have feet of clay. No one.
472 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:41:03pm |
re: #466 Walter L. Newton
[...]I would hold most of her comment as someone who has an agenda more than intelligence.
A vile agenda at that.
473 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:41:33pm |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.
I appreciate that you're disassociating yourself from that statement. my hunch is that you wouldn't have lauded this annefrance woman if you knew she actually said that. and i know what its like to feel really passionately about something on this blog, and get frustrated when you feel like everyone else should see it and but they don't (see: me and gay marriage). but i mean, im trying to think of the politicians i hate the most in the world (ron paul, ned lamont, pat buchanan come to mind), and i could see myself saying some pretty vile things about their appearance (i call ron paul 'runt paul'), or even making nazi allegories like you did, but not with their baby. that, i just dont get.
474 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:41:54pm |
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
I also object to her comments about Bristol Palin. She seems to think that Bristol should have had an abortion. That she could be so cavalier about such a thing is much of what richly earned her so many downdings.
She seems to suggest that Bristol may not have had a choice, which I find easy to believe.
475 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:42:46pm |
re: #462 borgcube
Everyone thinks Cubs fans have it bad. Ha! You don't know sports hell until you follow the Chargers and Padres. But follow them I will.
Well- there's the Buffalo Bills...
476 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:42:51pm |
re: #467 Sharmuta
Where in Wisconsin is that?
Oops, thought you meant SoCal. Originally from the southern part of Wis. Janesville.
477 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:43:10pm |
re: #476 HypnoToad
Oops, thought you meant SoCal. Originally from the southern part of Wis. Janesville.
I have been to Janesville!
478 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:43:19pm |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
Aside from her second-guessing Palin's decision to have Trig, which I do consider vile (and I've never said anything of the sort myself, despite all rumors and assumptions and lies to the contrary), I see nothing in that comment regarding Palin's character that does not ring absolutely true.
You claimed that her record-setting comment has been echoed by Charles lately, which I'm betting you're now unwilling to stand behind. And you've said things that are equally vile, which I know though I'm not going to search through every single comment you've made to back that statement up. Like I said, in the end it's your life and you spew whatever hate you like.
479 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:44:26pm |
re: #474 Cato the Elder
She seems to suggest that Bristol may not have had a choice, which I find easy to believe.
Are you saying that Bristol was punished with a baby?
480 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:44:53pm |
re: #461 Guanxi88
She was, in her way, a premature anti-Palinist, for those who get the reference.
I'm afraid that one is over my head...
481 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:45:16pm |
re: #475 Sharmuta
Well- there's the Buffalo Bills...
The Bills made a fun toy for the Cowboys and 49'ers in the 90's. Everyone plays their role..
482 | Flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:45:56pm |
re: #471 Guanxi88
No one likes to see their idols have feet of clay. No one.
How are you, Guanxi88, I've been away for a while.
483 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:46:41pm |
re: #474 Cato the Elder
She seems to suggest that Bristol may not have had a choice, which I find easy to believe.
It's your right to think that, but I don't agree. More than anything, it was AF's attitude towards abortion that I disliked. I'm pro-life, and I found her advocacy of actions that would have ended two lives before they had begung to be ugly and vile.
484 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:47:06pm |
re: #480 Cato the Elder
I'm afraid that one is over my head...
Premature anti-fascist. used to describe the assorted passle of lefties and commies conned by Uncle Joe to slug it out in the Spanish Civil War against Franco. They were tagged as "premature anti-fascists" as their commitment to the destruction of the Axis was motivated not by patriotic sentiment or love of liberty, but rather by communist ideology and sympathy. they were aligned against the bad guys, but for the wrong reasons, and were there before others.
485 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:47:44pm |
re: #475 Sharmuta
re: #462 borgcube
Everyone thinks Cubs fans have it bad. Ha! You don't know sports hell until you follow the Chargers and Padres. But follow them I will.
Well- there's the Buffalo Bills...
But, at least those three have made it to the finals in my lifetime.
486 | HypnoToad Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:47:50pm |
re: #477 Sharmuta
I have been to Janesville!
A classic "Lincoln slept here" town. (Tallman house) My Sis has a family heirloom mirror with a gilt frame from that house that A.L. may have actually looked into! (that's the family story, its certainly old enough)
487 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:03pm |
Palin, sports, abortion, Palin, Palin, Oprah, ancient coins, stargazing, Palin, religion, moon rocks, Palin, sports, China, Palin, sexy Romanian girls, meteor showers, Cheeseheads, LGF time machine, Palin, and of course lots of Sharmuta all in one thread.
Gotta love LGF.
488 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:07pm |
re: #478 cliffster
You claimed that her record-setting comment has been echoed by Charles lately, which I'm betting you're now unwilling to stand behind.
Some of it has. The parts about Sarah Palin's character, for instance. I never said Charles would agree with everything in that post, but I doubt it would get more than 20 downdings today. I'd downding it myself for the abortion bits, and upding it for the rest, if such a thing were possible.
489 | Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:10pm |
re: #482 Flyers1974
How are you, Guanxi88, I've been away for a while.
Busy as hell, actually doing what I'm supposed to be. Otherwise, peachy, and ready to turn in for the night. Damned near 1:00 by me, and gotta be up in 4 and half hourse to start the whole thing all over again.
'Night, honcos.
490 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:48:35pm |
re: #452 Flyers1974
People must be focusing on your use of the name "Mengele" and are reading too much into that.
Do you have any conception of what Mengele actually did to babies and small children?
491 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:50:29pm |
re: #479 Bagua
Are you saying that Bristol was punished with a baby?
I'm saying she may not have had any say in the matter. Nothing more, nothing less.
492 | Flyers1974 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:50:52pm |
re: #490 Spare O'Lake
Do you have any conception of what Mengele actually did to babies and small children?
I know who he was and what he did.
493 | Irenicum Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:51:55pm |
re: #449 Cato the Elder
As someone who was born "disabled" I guess I'm a little sensitive to the issue. My concern in what you said is that you're ascribing to Sarah Palin, of whom I have no sympathy, a view that is essentially that of Nazis. Does she associate with people who associate with fascistic people. Indeed she does. That troubles me to no end. Does that automatically make her a Nazi? A la giving her baby up to a Mengele? Absolutely not. Her own track record of even having her baby is testament to that. I have a disabled (MRDD) cousin and a niece born out of rape. This is VERY personal to me. Every single life is important. To accuse her of being willing to offer up her baby to a Mengele is beyond opportunism. It's abject evil. Palin is opportunistic to be sure. But nothing in her history says that she would be willing to do what you said. You should take that accusation back. And if you're a Christian, you should repent.
494 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:52:54pm |
re: #493 Irenicum
As someone who was born "disabled" I guess I'm a little sensitive to the issue. My concern in what you said is that you're ascribing to Sarah Palin, of whom I have no sympathy, a view that is essentially that of Nazis. Does she associate with people who associate with fascistic people. Indeed she does. That troubles me to no end. Does that automatically make her a Nazi? A la giving her baby up to a Mengele? Absolutely not. Her own track record of even having her baby is testament to that. I have a disabled (MRDD) cousin and a niece born out of rape. This is VERY personal to me. Every single life is important. To accuse her of being willing to offer up her baby to a Mengele is beyond opportunism. It's abject evil. Palin is opportunistic to be sure. But nothing in her history says that she would be willing to do what you said. You should take that accusation back. And if you're a Christian, you should repent.
Quite Concur.
495 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:53:50pm |
re: #485 solomonpanting
Understood. But the Cubs have won a WS. And Chicago teams have racked up many other championships. We did have the indoor soccer champs for a decade, but that doesn't really count.
496 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:54:51pm |
re: #486 HypnoToad
I've spent a lot of time in Southern Wisconsin. My grandparents had a house there that had once upon a time been a tea room. Legend was Frank Lloyd Wright had tea'd there once, and it's believable since the house is 12 or so miles from his hometown.
497 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:55:50pm |
re: #493 Irenicum
Apparently, rhetorical hyperbole is now a sin.
I'll ask my spiritual adviser about that and get back to you, Irenicum.
498 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:57:35pm |
re: #491 Cato the Elder
I'm saying she may not have had any say in the matter. Nothing more, nothing less.
You have and ugly fascination with Sarah Palin's family.
499 | solomonpanting Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:58:49pm |
re: #495 borgcube
We did have the indoor soccer champs for a decade, but that doesn't really count.
True, dat!
500 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:59:02pm |
re: #483 Dark_Falcon
It's your right to think that, but I don't agree. More than anything, it was AF's attitude towards abortion that I disliked. I'm pro-life, and I found her advocacy of actions that would have ended two lives before they had begung to be ugly and vile.
abortion is a tough issue. probably the toughest for me. i dont think a society can ever fully eradicate the desire among a small minority of pregnant women to want an abortion, so in a way all roe v. wade does is recognize this fact, and give women a safe way of undergoing a procedure they would undergo some other, more dangerous, way anyhow. there's also the issue of whether a woman, or the government, has control over her own body...
on the other hand, its hard to deny the humanity of a beating heart...I dunno. I guess I just end up saying its better to have it legal and regulated than in back allies. but above all im just glad i wont ever have to make the decision.
501 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 10:59:50pm |
re: #498 Bagua
You have and ugly fascination with Sarah Palin's family.
Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.
502 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:02:01pm |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.
I'm guessing that you wouldn't do anything to help anyone that was in any way suffering.
503 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:03:19pm |
re: #497 Cato the Elder
Apparently, rhetorical hyperbole is now a sin.
I'll ask my spiritual adviser about that and get back to you, Irenicum.
Quite a lot of the threads here deal with pointing out and mocking/decrying overinflated rhetorical hyperbole. Why should you get a free pass?
504 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:03:35pm |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.
Yes, ugly, the added confirmation was redundant.
Such personal hatred is unhealthy.
505 | sagehen Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:00pm |
re: #456 rollwave87
here's the money quote from her: "I understood at first why the Republican party would choose someone as "pure et dure" (pure and hard) as this woman, who thought it wise to bring a fifth child into the world who has Down's Syndrome. "
i honestly can't even respond to that. so what's the criteria for aborting babies? maybe since im gay, and there was some prenatal way to tell, my parents should have just aborted me too...i mean, what the hell. and im pro-choice, at least, i thought i was until i read some of these sick comments.
She might have been referring to Sarah's decision to get pregnant in the first place. Generally, when a woman is in her 40's, has four kids already, a high-stress career involving lots of travel, and a husband who's gone half the year, deciding to try for another pregnancy (inherently high-risk at that age), or not trying to prevent another pregnancy... is not the cautious choice.
506 | Irenicum Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:14pm |
re: #497 Cato the Elder
It is when you accuse someone of effectively being a Nazi. I say this as someone who largely agrees with you. Please understand this.
507 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:31pm |
re: #503 ausador
Quite a lot of the threads here deal with pointing out and mocking/decrying overinflated rhetorical hyperbole. Why should you get a free pass?
Not expecting or asking for one. Someone suggested I should "repent".
Don't hold your breath for that.
508 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:04:58pm |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.
You stink.
509 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:06:03pm |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.
ok. i was debating back and forth whether or not I should feel bad for even introducing Sarah Palin into this thread, because it seems to have caused you a lot of grief and anger. and i wouldnt want to inflict that on someone. especially a fellow LGF reader. but im reached a conclusion: im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably.
510 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:06:31pm |
re: #505 sagehen
We don't know if Trig was planned or not. Sarah and Scott may well have been taking precautions against pregnancy, but those do not always work. Either way, its not something they've chosen to talk about, and I don't think they should have to.
511 | Racer X Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:07:44pm |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
Actually, any information I have I probably got from reading links at LGF. In real life I care so little about Palin that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she were on fire.
No offense, but you are one mean nasty pathetic fucker.
No offense.
512 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:08:03pm |
re: #509 rollwave87
ok. i was debating back and forth whether or not I should feel bad for even introducing Sarah Palin into this thread, because it seems to have caused you a lot of grief and anger. and i wouldnt want to inflict that on someone. especially a fellow LGF reader. but im reached a conclusion: im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably.
Er... Cato plus Palin equals PDS... come on fellow, really old news. You didn't discover anything. Put your ego back in it's box.
513 | Irenicum Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:08:28pm |
re: #507 Cato the Elder
It would be nice if you refer to me by my nic. I'm disappointed to say the least. What you said is beyond appropriate. I hope someday you can see beyond this.
514 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:08:51pm |
re: #510 Dark_Falcon
Indeed, all the speculation on Sarah Palin's personal life and family is disgusting.
515 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:09:24pm |
re: #505 sagehen
She might have been referring to Sarah's decision to get pregnant in the first place. Generally, when a woman is in her 40's, has four kids already, a high-stress career involving lots of travel, and a husband who's gone half the year, deciding to try for another pregnancy (inherently high-risk at that age), or not trying to prevent another pregnancy... is not the cautious choice.
I mean, I don't disagree with any of that. but I watched (yeah, Ill say it) Oprah today (for the first time ever), and they played this clip of the Palin's getting ready for Halloween. and they showed Trig in his little costume and he was smiling. and his parents were doting over him. in other words, he seemed pretty happy to me. and he seemed like he was bringing joy, if a bit of diversity, into his family's life as well. so, I mean, I dunno...I just cant see arguing that it would be better for a person to have not existed than to go through life as someone who's different.
516 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:09:26pm |
re: #509 rollwave87
ok. i was debating back and forth whether or not I should feel bad for even introducing Sarah Palin into this thread, because it seems to have caused you a lot of grief and anger. and i wouldnt want to inflict that on someone. especially a fellow LGF reader. but im reached a conclusion: im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably.
He has a worse-than-text bad case, I'm afraid. He has Third-Stage Derangement Syndrome, wherein the targeted person can do no right at all and will be attacked for anything. Cato always judges anything related to any Palin from the starting point that Sarah Palin is a nasty opportunistic person who values power above all else.
517 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:10:11pm |
re: #511 Racer X
No offense, but you are one mean nasty pathetic fucker.
No offense.
None taken.
re: #508 Spare O'Lake
You stink.
Your problem.
re: #502 cliffster
I'm guessing that you wouldn't do anything to help anyone that was in any way suffering.
Yes, I trip blind beggars and spit in their coffee, too. Ask anyone who knows me.
518 | Cato the Elder Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:11:15pm |
re: #516 Dark_Falcon
Cato always judges anything related to any Palin from the starting point that Sarah Palin is a nasty opportunistic person who values power above all else.
You have evidence to the contrary?
520 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:12:25pm |
re: #512 Walter L. Newton
cynical much? I wasn't trying to pat myself on the back. I really did feel badly for bringing up a topic that could elicit such hatred in someone. I guess that kind of empathy is foreign to you...
522 | sagehen Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:13:25pm |
523 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:14:11pm |
Cato-
If you said these sorts of things about the President, you would be rightfully labeled as having ODS. You have PDS, and you hand your detractors all the ammunition they need all on a silver platter every time you start going off like this on her. It's really not so pretty, it's very misogynistic, and you lose otherwise friendly and like-minded allies with these displays.
524 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:15:14pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
You have evidence to the contrary?
Let me go to bed and a give you a proper reply in the morning. I'm tired, and I can't frame my arguements as effectively as I'd like.
Goodnight, all.
525 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:15:44pm |
re: #519 Walter L. Newton
Hey... what about those Mets?
last time I checked, they still suck. and the last time I checked was 1990.
Im a huge Yankee fan, but for some reason #27 this year didnt make me as happy as I tohught it would. Honestly, I think im still devastated from the loss in 2001. after 9/11 and all their comeback wins and stuff, seeing them lose to freakin arizona was like a punch in the gut I still haven't recovered from...
526 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:16:01pm |
re: #520 rollwave87
cynical much? I wasn't trying to pat myself on the back. I really did feel badly for bringing up a topic that could elicit such hatred in someone. I guess that kind of empathy is foreign to you...
You're correct. This kind of sarcastic empathy is... " im really glad I did bring up Sarah if for no other reason than it seems to have exposed your textbook case of PDS, to put it charitably..." so heart warming I'm about to break out in a Walton's moment. I can almost feel the love through the monitor.
Harrump.
527 | borgcube Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:17:11pm |
re: #523 Sharmuta
I'm inclined to try moose meat now just because of Cato's PDS.
528 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:17:49pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
You might want to check out Andrew Sullivan's blog at the Atlantic for more rational ammo against Palin. He feels exactly the way you do but he backs up his assessment with facts and a long list of lies and self-serving revisionism by her. If nothing else you might pick up some solid facts to beat her with rather than the gratuitous use of hyperbole.
529 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:18:06pm |
re: #525 rollwave87
last time I checked, they still suck. and the last time I checked was 1990.
Im a huge Yankee fan, but for some reason #27 this year didnt make me as happy as I tohught it would. Honestly, I think im still devastated from the loss in 2001. after 9/11 and all their comeback wins and stuff, seeing them lose to freakin arizona was like a punch in the gut I still haven't recovered from...
I was talking about the Metropolitan Opera.
530 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:18:25pm |
re: #525 rollwave87
I hate the Yankees, and that loss disappointed me too, because it was the one year I set aside my Yankee hatred and rooted for New York.
531 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:18:49pm |
re: #526 Walter L. Newton
haha. ok. maybe I was a little self-aggrandizing. but ive taken so much crap on here for my defenses of Sarah Palin, much of it from Cato, that I couldn't help but feel a little vindicated by his totally blatant display of incomparable hatred. I mean, did they even say things that nasty on DailyKos about Joe Lieberman in the summer of 2006?
533 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:20:36pm |
re: #531 rollwave87
haha. ok. maybe I was a little self-aggrandizing. but ive taken so much crap on here for my defenses of Sarah Palin, much of it from Cato, that I couldn't help but feel a little vindicated by his totally blatant display of incomparable hatred. I mean, did they even say things that nasty on DailyKos about Joe Lieberman in the summer of 2006?
I wasn't digging on your opinions about Cato and his dislike of Palin, but I couldn't let "empathy" go unchallenged... :)
534 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:21:05pm |
re: #532 Sharmuta
That was a good comeback.
lol. conceded. although Ive never heard the Met refered to as 'those Mets' :/
535 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:22:33pm |
re: #529 Walter L. Newton
I was talking about the Metropolitan Opera.
I thought you were talking about the Met Office, can't plan a picnic by what those pikers predict.
536 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:23:09pm |
re: #532 Sharmuta
That was a good comeback.
I had a tooth pulled today, I've been saving up the last few months so I could afford to have the work I needed on my teeth finished before I die. A few extractions and then a partial, will be done over the next three weeks or so.
I've been taking pain killers all evening, I'm kind of silly feeling.
537 | sagehen Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:23:17pm |
re: #531 rollwave87
I mean, did they even say things that nasty on DailyKos about Joe Lieberman in the summer of 2006?
Yes.
Next question?
538 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:23:44pm |
re: #535 Bagua
I thought you were talking about the Met Office, can't plan a picnic by what those pikers predict.
You live in Ireland?
539 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:24:21pm |
re: #536 Walter L. Newton
I saw that earlier, gave you an upding. You have a nice dentist. Glad he gave you the good stuff for the pain. ;)
540 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:25:17pm |
re: #533 Walter L. Newton
I wasn't digging on your opinions about Cato and his dislike of Palin, but I couldn't let "empathy" go unchallenged... :)
also conceded. I guess it really wasn't empathy...yet I genuinly do feel badly for someone who sees Sarah Palin, of all people, as the root of all evil. I mean, objectively, at worst, she's someone whos in over her head. anyone who makes the jump from that to nazi collaborator, I pity.
541 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:26:15pm |
542 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:26:41pm |
re: #539 Sharmuta
I saw that earlier, gave you an upding. You have a nice dentist. Glad he gave you the good stuff for the pain. ;)
I just looked at the outside temp. It's 20 degrees (f). Maisey the parrot is complaining that she is a tropical bird and what the hell was I thinking moving her up to the mountains.
543 | rollwave87 Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:26:53pm |
re: #536 Walter L. Newton
I had a tooth pulled today, I've been saving up the last few months so I could afford to have the work I needed on my teeth finished before I die. A few extractions and then a partial, will be done over the next three weeks or so.
I've been taking pain killers all evening, I'm kind of silly feeling.
feel better.
544 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:27:07pm |
545 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:27:46pm |
546 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:28:24pm |
re: #542 Walter L. Newton
Should we start a fund to get her her own heated cage, maybe with a little heated indoor bird bath?
547 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:30:10pm |
How is Maisey doing with the Lady Love, Walter? Wasn't she jealous of your other girlfriends? Miss seeing her in your avatar too.
548 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:33:50pm |
re: #546 Sharmuta
Should we start a fund to get her her own heated cage, maybe with a little heated indoor bird bath?
Actually, I have a 40 watt clip on lamp attached to the top outside of her cage, and it really keeps he comfortable. The average temp in the house is about 62-65. This is an older mountain home and it's 3000 square feet, and if we were to keep the furnace blasting, we would be paying 250-300 a month for gas.
The kids have a pellet stove downstairs in the finished basement where their bedrooms are. We had a pellet stove in the fireplace upstairs, a new one purchased in Sept. for 2300 dollars, and it never worked since the day it was installed. I had it apart and was replacing parts 4 times. I had it sent back and got a refund. We are now waiting for another stove from a different manufacturer.
All in all, it's comfortable enough, got a full sized electric blanket on the our bed, and like I say, the kids pellet stove, along with the furnace keeps them warm.
Hey, it's the mountains, that's part of the "charm." (That and the 4 feet of snow we've had for over the last 2 1/2 weeks).
549 | ghazidor Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:34:41pm |
re: #541 Bagua
The MET screw up the weather for the entire Kingdom.
I thought that HAARP did that?
/alex jones
550 | cliffster Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:36:37pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
You have evidence to the contrary?
She knowingly gave birth to a child with Down's Syndrome. re: #536 Walter L. Newton
I had a tooth pulled today, I've been saving up the last few months so I could afford to have the work I needed on my teeth finished before I die. A few extractions and then a partial, will be done over the next three weeks or so.
I've been taking pain killers all evening, I'm kind of silly feeling.
Ugh. Dental work. Ugh. Pain killers, and lots of them, come nowhere evening the score. Although they are nice...
551 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:37:01pm |
re: #547 Sharmuta
How is Maisey doing with the Lady Love, Walter? Wasn't she jealous of your other girlfriends? Miss seeing her in your avatar too.
Maisey won't let the girlfriend touch her. The younger teen is able to pet Maisey. The two cats are afraid of her. The husky is bored by the bird. It's the Australian red healer that would like to eat Maisey if possible.
The cage is in a nook, on a glass topped table, and actually chained to the wall, so even if one of the animals tried to climb on the cage or tip it over, it would simply hang from the chain and they couldn't get into it or drag it off.
552 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:37:20pm |
Hyperbole, artfully used, can be a potent debating tool, especially when mixed with a little humour.
e.g. She could nag the paint right off a wall.
But when used in a blockheaded and jackbooted manner, hyperbole can easily backfire and discredit the user.
Nytol.
553 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:38:58pm |
re: #550 cliffster
Ugh. Dental work. Ugh. Pain killers, and lots of them, come nowhere evening the score. Although they are nice...
They work fine for me. I have a high tolerance for pain anyway, so the pain killers just take the little edge off, and of course, a pleasant buzz to boot.
I don't drink at all anymore, so an occasional little narcotic buzz is a treat... if you know what I mean.
554 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:39:44pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
You live in Middle Earth?
Live?
I exist in an ethereal world of my own choosing,
sat here alone in the prison of my experience,
only my mind at times is free to wander.
555 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:44:26pm |
re: #554 Bagua
Live?
I exist in an ethereal world of my own choosing,
sat here alone in the prison of my experience,
only my mind at times is free to wander.
Good dope, huh?
556 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:45:45pm |
re: #551 Walter L. Newton
I hope she's otherwise adjusted well to the new digs. At least she has company now when you're at the theatre.
557 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:46:33pm |
re: #556 Sharmuta
I hope she's otherwise adjusted well to the new digs. At least she has company now when you're at the theatre.
Yes, she loves all the company and attention. Thanks for asking.
558 | Sharmuta Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:50:05pm |
re: #557 Walter L. Newton
No problem. I'm glad she's doing well, and the two of you are happy with the new family you've found. Congrats. :)
559 | Bagua Mon, Nov 16, 2009 11:51:39pm |