ADL Special Report: A Year of Growing Animosity

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The Anti-Defamation League has released a detailed report on the increasing anger and hostility among the right wing, singling out many of the same personalities and issues on which LGF has been focusing recently. This is the index page with summaries of the main points: Rage Grows in America: Anti-Government Conspiracies.

Since the election of Barack Obama as president, a current of anti-government hostility has swept across the United States, creating a climate of fervor and activism with manifestations ranging from incivility in public forums to acts of intimidation and violence.

What characterizes this anti-government hostility is a shared belief that Obama and his administration actually pose a threat to the future of the United States. Some accuse Obama of plotting to bring socialism to the United States, while others claim he will bring about Nazism or fascism. All believe that Obama and his administration will trample on individual freedoms and civil liberties, due to some sinister agenda, and they see his economic and social policies as manifestations of this agenda. In particular anti-government activists used the issue of health care reform as a rallying point, accusing Obama and his administration of dark designs ranging from “socialized medicine” to “death panels,” even when the Obama administration had not come out with a specific health care reform plan. Some even compared the Obama administration’s intentions to Nazi eugenics programs.

Some of these assertions are motivated by prejudice, but more common is an intense strain of anti-government distrust and anger, colored by a streak of paranoia and belief in conspiracies. These sentiments are present both in mainstream and “grass-roots” movements as well as in extreme anti-government movements such as a resurgent militia movement. Ultimately, this anti-government anger, if it continues to grow in intensity and scope, may result in an increase in anti-government extremists and the potential for a rise of violent anti-government acts.

The ADL is right on target when they identify Glenn Beck as one of the primary mainstream media promoters of extremist ideologies and conspiracy theory paranoia:

The most important mainstream media figure who has repeatedly helped to stoke the fires of anti-government anger is right-wing media host Glenn Beck, who has a TV show on FOX News and a popular syndicated radio show. While other conservative media hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, routinely attack Obama and his administration, typically on partisan grounds, they have usually [But not always… – ed.] dismissed or refused to give a platform to the conspiracy theorists and anti-government extremists. This has not been the case with Glenn Beck. Beck and his guests have made a habit of demonizing President Obama and promoting conspiracy theories about his administration.

On a number of his TV and radio programs, Beck has even gone so far as to make comparisons between Hitler and Obama and to promote the idea that the president is dangerous.

The whole thing is very much worth reading, so here are direct links to all of the report’s sections:

Index / Summary
Introduction

Part One: Anger in the Mainstream
The Tea Parties
The Town Hall Meeting Disruptions
A Building Anger
The “Birther” Movement
The Influence of the Mainstream Media

Part Two: Anger on the Fringes
Alex Jones, the Conspiracy King
Conspiracy Theories Imagine Government Plots
Conspiracy Theories Prompting Action: The Iowa National Guard
Conspiracy Theories Prompting Action: Richard Poplawski
Resisting the Government
The Oath Keepers
The Three Percenters
The Resurgence of the Militia Movement

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235 comments
1 filetandrelease  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:09:05am

Here's for hopin' for a change in 2012

2 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:10:00am

The Alex Jones link doesn't work.
___

Oh noes! The government must have already shut the link down! They don't want people to know they are planning FEMA camps!

/Jones listener

3 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:10:35am

It looks like compelling reading. Those of the Jewish faith who think they have anything in common with those on the far right should remember something. Those way out on the right who would like to see a race war in the US will not be friends of the Jews when the sh*t hits the fan. Pamela ... are you listening?

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:10:37am

Links are fixed now.

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:10:52am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

The Alex Jones link doesn't work.
___

Oh noes! The government must have already shut the link down! They don't want people to know they are planning FEMA camps!

/Jones listener

None of them worked.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:11:09am

re: #1 filetandrelease

Here's for hopin' for a change in 2012

A Republican win might defuse the situation...it did after the Clinton years...but it might not.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:11:37am

re: #3 _RememberTonyC

It looks like compelling reading. Those of the Jewish faith who think they have anything in common with those on the far right should remember something. Those way out on the right who would like to see a race war in the US will not be friends of the Jews when the sh*t hits the fan. Pamela ... are you listening?

She's not listening.

8 brookly red  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:12:30am

I guess bad economic times don't help things either...

9 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:13:24am

Kind of interesting that the ADL is taking on this topic. This isn't the kind of they they usually tackle.

10 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:13:43am

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

She's not listening.

hopefully others are ...

11 bosforus  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:13:55am

I think we need an animosity index.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:14:18am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Kind of interesting that the ADL is taking on this topic. This isn't the kind of they they usually tackle.

How not? Extremism has always been their major focus.

13 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Kind of interesting that the ADL is taking on this topic. This isn't the kind of they they usually tackle.

Well kudos to them for doing so. They are a reputable source taking on a serious issue. Hopefully they'll have some impact in stemming the Bad Craziness.

14 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:15:30am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Usually they deal with anti-semitism and Jewish issues. This is more of a warning of general extremism. I'm not sure if they've done this before.

15 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:15:45am
Some of these assertions are motivated by prejudice, but more common is an intense strain of anti-government distrust and anger, colored by a streak of paranoia and belief in conspiracies.

Paranoia and kookspiracy theories are not the trademarks of conservatives, but rather Birchers. These are the people who went so far as to call President Eisenhower a communist. I think what this increase in paranoia/kookspiracies shows is how resurgent the Birchers are, and this fits right in with the glenn beck aspect. He's actually promoting Bircher ideology on his program.

Meanwhile, Barry Goldwater and William Buckley are rolling in their graves.

16 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:16:02am

I haven't been watching Hannity much lately, but in the past I was very disappointed that he kept having the nazi pat buchanan on his show. Is buchanan still appearing with Sean?

17 cliffster  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:17:11am

Seems that everything in the Mainstream section has already been there for years. Under the fringe though, there's certainly something to talk about. I don't know that there's more of them, but they are certainly getting a voice they never have before. With a lot of help from the intertubes, surely.

18 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:17:45am

Definitely an interesting article... but I thought that the purpose of the ADL was to combat anti-Semitism.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:18:20am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Usually they deal with anti-semitism and Jewish issues. This is more of a warning of general extremism. I'm not sure if they've done this before.

They've always done broader stuff.

20 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:18:54am

I thought it was pretty hilarious the other day (channel surfing) when I heard that Obama was taking his orders from someone living in a cave in Afghanistan...lol...(although, it was said -- which makes it all the more hilarious, imo -- with this tone of seriousness...Sometimes it's very, very difficult to separate The Onion from "the News.")

21 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:19:10am

re: #16 _RememberTonyC

Buchanan's main gig is with MSNBC, leftist home of krazy keith.

22 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:20:19am

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist
Did they have a lot to say re the Bushitler talk during #43's administration?

23 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:21:23am

In the interest of saving time and google searches, could some lizard tell in a nutshell who Alex Jones is and what he mainly does? Thanks in advance.

24 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:22:13am

re: #18 tradewind

Definitely an interesting article... but I thought that the purpose of the ADL was to combat anti-Semitism.

Is it really such a stretch from anti-Semitism to racism? I don't think so, in fact- they often go hand in hand.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:22:23am

re: #18 tradewind

Definitely an interesting article... but I thought that the purpose of the ADL was to combat anti-Semitism.

Also bigotry and extremism, according to their official motto. If you read their site, you'll notice that they have sections and positions on quite a lot of stuff that doesn't have a direct Jewish component.

The Jewish stuff is primary, of course, but hardly exclusive.

And if anyone thinks the Birchers can rise again, and not have anti-Semitism be one of the horsemen following in their wake, that person has another think coming.

26 bosforus  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:22:42am

re: #23 tradewind

In the interest of saving time and google searches, could some lizard tell in a nutshell who Alex Jones is and what he mainly does? Thanks in advance.

Are you familiar with the term "blue dart"?

27 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:23:24am

re: #23 tradewind

In the interest of saving time and google searches, could some lizard tell in a nutshell who Alex Jones is and what he mainly does? Thanks in advance.

Here's the LGF tag search.

28 albusteve  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:23:55am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Kind of interesting that the ADL is taking on this topic. This isn't the kind of they they usually tackle.

no but the links I've looked seem to be nothing more than an overview of events...I'm looking for some opinion or official stand

29 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:24:24am

Gotta go to work. BBT

30 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:24:34am

Here is the LGF regular search.

google searches are sooo last year.

31 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:24:34am

re: #21 tradewind

Buchanan's main gig is with MSNBC, leftist home of krazy keith.

That is true, but MSNBC needs their "house conservative" to be a whack job so they can paint all conservatives as being represented by buchanan the nazi. Hannity had him on presumably because he respected him, which made me like Sean less. But if Hannity rejects buchanan, I will regain some respect for Sean.

32 albusteve  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:25:06am

re: #24 Sharmuta

Is it really such a stretch from anti-Semitism to racism? I don't think so, in fact- they often go hand in hand.

a very fine line imo...almost the exact same thing

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:25:22am

re: #22 tradewind

Did they have a lot to say re the Bushitler talk during #43's administration?

Well, there was this.

If you search their site you'll get a sense of the sort of things they've covered in the past.

34 cliffster  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:25:53am

re: #23 tradewind

In the interest of saving time and google searches, could some lizard tell in a nutshell who Alex Jones is and what he mainly does? Thanks in advance.

It wasn't that long ago that I was watching him here on public access cable here in Austin, and we all laughed at him. And he got kicked off. Then, suddenly, he's being talked about nationally. Can I get a WTF?

35 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:26:53am

From Alex Jones to Glenn Beck is not a very big step.

36 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:27:18am

Someone might want to tell the ADL the uproar over the nat'l guard using cities as training sites didn't start when Obama was elected. Anyone remember what happened in Cleveland a couple of years ago? Plus, using comments posted on Alex Jones and other sites to "prove" there's a problem is pathetic.

I don''t like paranoid conspiracy mongers on the left, right, or middle regardless of their race, gender, sexual preference or nationality.

37 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:29:19am

I just got an ADL fundraising mailer... Hadn't decided to keep or toss.

Maybe I'll read it now. :)

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:29:21am

re: #36 RogueOne

Someone might want to tell the ADL the uproar over the nat'l guard using cities as training sites didn't start when Obama was elected. Anyone remember what happened in Cleveland a couple of years ago? Plus, using comments posted on Alex Jones and other sites to "prove" there's a problem is pathetic.

I don''t like paranoid conspiracy mongers on the left, right, or middle regardless of their race, gender, sexual preference or nationality.

You don't think the craziness is on the rise? You disagree that Alex Jones is a problem? What's the problem you have with the report?

39 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:29:40am

re: #21 tradewind

Buchanan's main gig is with MSNBC, leftist home of krazy keith.

Yep and every time he comes on I turn the TV off.
Not that it means anything, but it is better then flingin' a cat at the TV.

40 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:30:45am

re: #35 Charles

From Alex Jones to Glenn Beck is not a very big step.

glenn beck is destined to burn out fairly quickly. he is riding high at the moment, but unless Roger Ailes reins him in, he is going to do something so preposterous that it damages the FNC brand in a way that will cost the network more than their credibility. And Rupert Murdoch is surely keeping a close eye on beck. I see the second coming of "Howard Beale" on the horizon.

41 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:30:45am

re: #35 Charles

there's a wiki article on Alex Jones (I've never heard much about this guy nor have I ever listened to him), according to the Wiki article Jones self identifies as a "libertarian" (as opposed to a "right-winger.") That does seem to correspond with Glenn Beck's self-identified politics also (as in supporting Ron Paul, etc.)

42 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:30:47am
A number of protests explicitly compared the Obama administration and its policies to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

Grrr...If there's one thing I can't stand, it's promiscuous mis-invocations of Nazis and the Holocaust. This is as wrong as the nonstop chants of "Bushitler" were in the past administration. Anyone of any stripe who feels an urge to label an opponent a Nazi or liken his proposals to the Holocaust obviously needs to know the originals better:

...David found himself next to Sofya Levington again. She
clasped the boy to her with the peculiar strength familiar to the
Germans who worked there--when they emptied the chamber, they never
attempted to separate bodies locked in a close embrace. ...
David watched the door close: gently, smoothly, as though
drawn by a magnet, the steel door drew closer to its steel frame.
Finally they became one.
High up, behind a rectangular metal grating in the wall, David
saw something stir. It looked like a grey rat, but he realized it was
a fan beginning to turn. He sensed a faint, rather sweet smell. ...
[Sofya's] eyes--which had read Homer, Izvestia, Huckleberry
Finn, and Mayne Reid, that had looked at good people and bad people,
that had seen the geese in the green meadows of Kursk, the stars above
the observatory at Pulkovo, the glitter of surgical steel, the Mona
Lisa in the Louvre, tomatoes and turnips in the bins at market, the
blue water of Issyk-Kul--her eyes were no longer of any use to her.
If someone had blinded her, she would have felt no sense of loss. ...
The boy's movements filled her with pity. Her feelings
towards him were so simple that she no longer needed words and eyes.
...
All this time David was being clasped by strong warm hands.
He didn't feel his eyes go dark, his heart become empty, his mind grow
dull and blind. He had been killed; he no longer existed.
Sofya Levington felt the boy's body subside in her hands.
Once again she had fallen behind him. In mine-shafts where the air
becomes poisoned, it is always the little creatures, the birds and the
mice, that die first. This boy, with his slight, bird-like body, had
left before her.
'I've become a mother,' she thought.
That was her last thought.
Her heart, though, still had life in it; it still beat, still
ached, still felt pity for the dead and the living. Sofya Levinton
felt a wave of nausea. She was hugging David to her like a doll. Now
she too was dead, she too was a doll.
-- Vasily Grossman, Life and Fate, American ed., 1985

43 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:32:10am

re: #15 Sharmuta

Paranoia and kookspiracy theories are not the trademarks of conservatives, but rather Birchers. These are the people who went so far as to call President Eisenhower a communist. (snip)

If we get to disown our nutcases, the two wings will soon be down to the
RNC and DNC. All my life, the Birchers have been "Right". Personally, you
can ditch them if I can lose ELF, PETA, and Code Pink.

44 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:32:20am

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

You don't think the craziness is on the rise? You disagree that Alex Jones is a problem? What's the problem you have with the report?

No I don't. I remember the same talk during clinton,bush, and reagan. There's always a boogeyman out there.

45 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:33:25am

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

You don't think the craziness is on the rise? You disagree that Alex Jones is a problem? What's the problem you have with the report?

I should have added, 99% of the population that has ever read anything by Alex Jones knows he's a nut. Using comments on his site to prove an argument is weak.

46 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:33:34am

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

Beck gives me the Howard Beale vibe too.

47 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:33:35am

OT, but I'm still laughing at the very public falling out between Debbie Schlussel on the one side and Geller/Spencer on the other. Schlussel dishes some real dirt on the Odd Couple, including that Pam and Bobbie are planning to write a book together. And she tweaks Spencer with now been the junior partner in the, ahem, affair. People are begging the two sides to kiss and make up and not start another blog war, but Atlas and JihadWatch have already removed Schlussel from their honor rolls, and Debbie does not look like backing down anytime soon.

Who needs reality teevee anymore?

48 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:34:32am

re: #22 tradewind

Did they have a lot to say re the Bushitler talk during #43's administration?

Not so you'd notice it.

49 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:34:39am

re: #41 J.S.

there's a wiki article on Alex Jones (I've never heard much about this guy nor have I ever listened to him), according to the Wiki article Jones self identifies as a "libertarian" (as opposed to a "right-winger.") That does seem to correspond with Glenn Beck's self-identified politics also (as in supporting Ron Paul, etc.)

alex jones started troofer conspiracies on the actual day of 9/11. Screw him.

50 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:35:14am

re: #47 Cato the Elder

Pass the popcorn!

51 brookly red  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:35:44am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

If we get to disown our nutcases, the two wings will soon be down to the
RNC and DNC. All my life, the Birchers have been "Right". Personally, you
can ditch them if I can lose ELF, PETA, and Code Pink.

/couldn't we just put em all in a room together?

52 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:37:02am

re: #51 brookly red

/couldn't we just put em all in a room together?

With something sharp.

53 cliffster  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:38:11am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

If we get to disown our nutcases, the two wings will soon be down to the
RNC and DNC. All my life, the Birchers have been "Right". Personally, you
can ditch them if I can lose ELF, PETA, and Code Pink.

PETA is the one that really pisses me off. All their stupid antics do is destroy the public perception of people who want to stop animal cruelty. Meanwhile, animals suffer on.

54 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #47 Cato the Elder

LOL! Pass the popcorn and turn up the volume!

55 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #49 Sharmuta

(Jones doesn't strike me as being all that "psychologically healthy"...)

56 Gus  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #22 tradewind

Did they have a lot to say re the Bushitler talk during #43's administration?

The answer is yes.

You can look here and here.

57 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:39:29am

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

You don't think the craziness is on the rise? You disagree that Alex Jones is a problem? What's the problem you have with the report?

I don't know if craziness is actually on the rise so much as it has become more vocal. It's definitely more vocal now.

58 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:40:16am

re: #44 RogueOne

No I don't. I remember the same talk during clinton,bush, and reagan. There's always a boogeyman out there.

Obdicut, did you downding that because I forgot to mention Carter? If so, you're right. We heard the same thing during carter.

59 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:40:35am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

If we get to disown our nutcases, the two wings will soon be down to the
RNC and DNC. All my life, the Birchers have been "Right". Personally, you
can ditch them if I can lose ELF, PETA, and Code Pink.

And the anti-globo vandals.

60 Gus  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:40:36am

re: #18 tradewind

Definitely an interesting article... but I thought that the purpose of the ADL was to combat anti-Semitism.

[ADL] MISSION STATEMENT

"The immediate object of the League is to stop, by appeals to reason and conscience and, if necessary, by appeals to law, the defamation of the Jewish people. Its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens."

ADL Charter October 1913

61 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:40:48am

re: #55 J.S.

(Jones doesn't strike me as being all that "psychologically healthy"...)

Anyone who can hold as many conspiracy theories in his head as Alex Jones does cannot be, under any definition, "psychologically healthy".

62 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:40:59am

re: #53 cliffster

PETA is the one that really pisses me off. All their stupid antics do is destroy the public perception of people who want to stop animal cruelty. Meanwhile, animals suffer on.

and their insistence on using women's bodies to makes points and shock get on my last nerve.

63 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:41:06am

re: #50 Sharmuta

Pass the popcorn!

Could you add some popcorn to my gallon of melted butter and 8 ounces of salt?

64 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:41:20am

re: #58 RogueOne

Obdicut, did you downding that because I forgot to mention Carter? If so, you're right. We heard the same thing during carter.

No, I downdinged that because, well, read the damn report.

65 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:41:39am

re: #42 The Sanity Inspector

That passage really hit me... had to read it several times.
Thanks for sharing.

66 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:41:39am

re: #58 RogueOne

Obdicut, did you downding that because I forgot to mention Carter? If so, you're right. We heard the same thing during carter.

More likely because you seem to be willfully ignoring/downplaying this.

67 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:42:38am

re: #27 Sharmuta

Thanks... should have thoughta' that. The Troofer-in-Chief, now it's coming back to me.

68 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:42:49am

re: #60 Gus 802

Nice dovetail with SPLC.

69 Sabba Hillel  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:42:51am

I find it interesting that the "Left" and the "Right" meet up. The problem the ADL faces is that both sides, the "Obamaniacs" and the "stormtroopers", are attempting to destroy us. Unfortunately, it appears that the extreme left is in power right now and people attempting to stop them are subject to being taken over by the extreme right. Since so many people are using WW II analogies right now, it is the problem of Poland being invaded by both Hitler and Stalin. Those who attempt to fight off one side find themselves being equated with the other.

70 brookly red  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:43:07am

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

Anyone who can hold as many conspiracy theories in his head as Alex Jones does cannot be, under any definition, "psychologically healthy".

/ yeah, everybody knows it's all one big conspiracy...

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:43:14am

re: #44 RogueOne

No I don't. I remember the same talk during clinton,bush, and reagan. There's always a boogeyman out there.

OK. The ADL and I think you may be mistaken.

72 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:43:27am

Let's hope our society is robust enough to still deserve Thomas Jefferson's faith in us:

If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments to the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.

73 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:43:36am

re: #56 Gus 802

Thanks... it seems they were more interested in what foreign countries and leaders had to say about him than groups within the US.

74 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #67 tradewind

Thanks... should have thoughta' that. The Troofer-in-Chief, now it's coming back to me.

I'm all about getting Lizards to use LGF for research purposes. No need to pull up google, LGF usually has the scoop. :)

75 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:44:41am

re: #53 cliffster

ELF is very real where I live, one house was burned and another was rigged to blow but failed... their reason you ask? Because the home builders took down trees that any good wind would have blown over on them. They are terrorist imo.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:45:29am

re: #53 cliffster

PETA is the one that really pisses me off. All their stupid antics do is destroy the public perception of people who want to stop animal cruelty. Meanwhile, animals suffer on.

God bless the SPCA.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:46:49am

re: #59 The Sanity Inspector

And the anti-globo vandals.

Now, if we started to breed the Code Pinkers to the Birchers, would we get moderates, or just more extreme crazies?

78 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:46:52am

re: #75 Ericus58

ELF is very real where I live, one house was burned and another was rigged to blow but failed... their reason you ask? Because the home builders took down trees that any good wind would have blown over on them. They are terrorist imo.

And like any terrorists, they have their reasons. But, they are their reasons, and not ours.

79 StillAMarine  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:46:55am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Well kudos to them for doing so. They are a reputable source taking on a serious issue. Hopefully they'll have some impact in stemming the Bad Craziness.

... and very bad craziness it is. I have always had great faith in the ADL, who have been at the forefront of hate and bigotry every step of the way. Let's hope people, especially on the right, listen to them.

80 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:47:13am

re: #72 The Sanity Inspector

Let's hope our society is robust enough to still deserve Thomas Jefferson's faith in us:

If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments to the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.

It is. A hundred million ordinary voters are collectively smarter than
ten thousand experts with megaphones.

81 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:47:59am

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, if we started to breed the Code Pinkers to the Birchers, would we get moderates, or just more extreme crazies?

I think you'd get a Pink Dogmawood.

82 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #66 Varek Raith

More likely because you seem to be willfully ignoring/downplaying this.

Because we've heard all this before. Everytime a Dem is in office we hear about right wing anger and the threat to the democracy. Everytime a Repub is in office we hear about how angry everyone, left and right, is and why it's the presidents fault. Fear mongering is a great way to sell insurance but not a good way to deal with political discourse.

83 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, if we started to breed the Code Pinkers to the Birchers, would we get moderates, or just more extreme crazies?

Like the Three Stooges, it makes one laugh and wince, just thinking of it.

84 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, if we started to breed the Code Pinkers to the Birchers, would we get moderates, or just more extreme crazies?

Hmmm... If you cross a Jehovah's Witness and a Unitarian, you get someone who knocks on your door for no reason. There's probably a similar punchline in your scenario, someplace.

85 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:48:57am

Calgary just had its synagogue and Holocaust memorial vandalized with nazi graffiti...(the police aren't calling it a hate crime yet.)

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:49:11am

re: #81 wrenchwench

I think you'd get a Pink Dogmawood.

:) That sounds pretty. Do they flower in the spring, or just pull up their roots and march on Washington?

87 Bob Dillon  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:49:47am

re: #15 Sharmuta

Paranoia and kookspiracy theories are not the trademarks of conservatives, but rather Birchers. These are the people who went so far as to call President Eisenhower a communist.

When I joined the Navy in 1960 I still remember a routine question asked of me.

Did I belong to or was in any way associated with the John Birch Society.

I had never heard of them - and decided right then that this was a group to give a wide birth to.

88 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:50:26am

re: #85 J.S.

Calgary just had its synagogue and Holocaust memorial vandalized with nazi graffiti...(the police aren't calling it a hate crime yet.)

What are they waiting for, exactly?

89 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:50:30am

re: #82 RogueOne

Because we've heard all this before. Everytime a Dem is in office we hear about right wing anger and the threat to the democracy. Everytime a Repub is in office we hear about how angry everyone, left and right, is and why it's the presidents fault. Fear mongering is a great way to sell insurance but not a good way to deal with political discourse.

I see. So be it, then. I for one, won't pass this off as the same old, same old.

90 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:51:05am

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

:) That sounds pretty. Do they flower in the spring, or just pull up their roots and march on Washington?

According to Onion, they march on Washington State.

91 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:51:26am

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist
I think you'd have to hand pollinate them...or maybe they're only propagated by graft.///

92 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:51:52am

re: #88 Guanxi88

the police were saying that they need to find the suspect(s) first...(so as to figure out if it was a crime motivated by hate or motivated by ignorance...ie, some juveniles pulling a prank.)

93 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:51:56am

re: #89 Varek Raith

I see. So be it, then. I for one, won't pass this off as the same old, same old.

If you want to be scared of something tangible, go hang out at your local county courthouse and jail for awhile.

94 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #89 Varek Raith

I see. So be it, then. I for one, won't pass this off as the same old, same old.

Deja Moo.

95 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:52:06am

re: #88 Guanxi88

What are they waiting for, exactly?

To see the ethnicity of the suspects.

96 StillAMarine  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:52:16am

re: #42 The Sanity Inspector

I thought I was too old to cry ...

97 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:52:33am

re: #82 RogueOne

Because we've heard all this before. Everytime a Dem is in office we hear about right wing anger and the threat to the democracy. Everytime a Repub is in office we hear about how angry everyone, left and right, is and why it's the presidents fault. Fear mongering is a great way to sell insurance but not a good way to deal with political discourse.

Of course, it's possible that we hear this, in this way, because it's true... right? Facts are never fear mongering, unless you just refuse to honestly deal with the facts.

98 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:52:55am

re: #95 Ben Hur
They may be waiting a long time, depending. Some pictures just don't get shown.

99 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:53:04am

Oh, and hello.

100 brookly red  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:53:06am

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, if we started to breed the Code Pinkers to the Birchers, would we get moderates, or just more extreme crazies?

I don't know, but I am sure that Prozac sales will go way up...

101 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #95 Ben Hur

(ooo...you are so cynical..)

102 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:53:39am

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

:) That sounds pretty. Do they flower in the spring, or just pull up their roots and march on Washington?

LOL

[did you see my book recommendation?]

103 Steve White  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:56:57am

First big problem with the ADL report is that it equates the tea party movement with the real nutters out there (Beck, birthers, Jones, etc). Most tea party folks are mainstream people who are frustrated at events. If the ADL thinks that the tea party folks are going to turn against Jews they're sadly mistaken.

It's one thing to be frustrated with government, it's another thing to be a wingnut extremist. Perspective, please.

104 Guanxi88  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:57:49am

re: #100 brookly red

I don't know, but I am sure that Prozac sales will go way up...

Thereby offsetting the precipitous decline in Viagara and Cialis sales.

105 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #99 Ben Hur

Oh, and hello.

Hi!

106 acacia  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:59:11am

Read the report on tea party and it's a bunch of pablum and opinion. Believing that "government run socialist health care is being shoved down our throats" is NOT out of the mainstream. The whole point of the town hall protests and tea parties was to protest the push toward socialized health care - what's wrong with that? Wanting our country back is a common feeling among almost everyone I know. It's a feeling that our country is taking a terrible wrong turn and unless people speak up now, it will be difficult to turn back. Again, a sincere, common, peaceful belief - not something to lump into with kooks.

107 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:59:38am

re: #103 Steve White

You're aware that many of the tea party organizers are in with white supremacists and other assorted kooks?

It's not the crowds, it's the leadership.

108 StillAMarine  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:00:05am

re: #85 J.S.

Calgary just had its synagogue and Holocaust memorial vandalized with nazi graffiti...(the police aren't calling it a hate crime yet.)

If my experience living in Northern Alberta is any guide, similar atrocities against mosques and Islamic targets would have been met by a chorus of high pitched screams and shouts of racism. Of course that does not excuse any such barbaric behaviour against either Jews or Muslims. I just want to illustrate the double standard.

109 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #106 acacia

Wanting our country back is a common feeling among almost everyone I know.

No one has taken the country away.

110 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:00:28am

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

God bless the SPCA.

I started a fund drive on Facebook for the ASPCA. So far several friends have donated.

One old friend, however, felt obliged to ask me a couple of questions: "What is their stance on raising animals for our consumption? Or testing of drugs, cosmetics on animals?"

I replied: "PETA they're not. But then I eat animals, and I'm for reasonable drug testing (screw cosmetics). ASPCA is against puppy mills, dog-fighting, and people who set unwanted kittens on fire. Also animal hoarding (little old ladies who keep 47 dogs in a one-family house), neglect, abandonment, and needless euthanasia. All of which goes on every single day. That's enough of a fight for me!"

Never heard a word back from her. I somehow doubt she'll send any money.

111 spinmore  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:00:50am

re: #106 acacia

Got Dat Right!

112 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:02:37am

re: #109 Sharmuta

No one has taken the country away.

Sure they have! ACORN and the MS hijacked the election, and stole it from Sarah Palin & gave it to a Kenyan! They've taken our country AND our presidency away!!!

///

113 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:02:42am

re: #97 Walter L. Newton
Except there aren't any "facts", there's conjecture. Lets say I agree with the argument "People are angry right now". How does that statement mean it's worse now than ever before? Did Alex Jones only go crazy when obama was elected? Did people love paying higher taxes and 10% unemployment and treat their elected officials with nothing but grace before Obama was elected? Did people loved having the Nat'l guard do live-fire exercises within city limits before Obama was elected? Were conspiracy theories invented after obama took office? I'm not as old as you are but surely you remember this kind of stuff going back at least 25 years. Not even Bush Sr. was immune to whacked out theories in the 90's.

My point is there's nothing new here and there are no facts to support the thesis. This is fear mongering plain and simple and just because I like the work the ADL has done doesn't mean I should give them a pass on this.

114 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #112 Dynomite

Sure they have! ACORN and the MS hijacked the election, and stole it from Sarah Palin & gave it to a Kenyan! They've taken our country AND our presidency away!!!

///

Obama sent that RINO Huntsman to China to broker a deal for them to buy America. Glenn Beck told me so!1!

115 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:05:27am

re: #106 acacia

Wanting our country back is a common feeling among almost everyone I know.

Back from whom? The duly elected President & Democratic majority Congress, and those who share the same political views?

You'll get your chance next November & in 2012.

Until then, GET OVER IT. YOU LOST THE ELECTION.

116 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:07:16am

re: #108 StillAMarine

Yes. It's sometimes pretty obvious...(a certain double standard exists -- but then, they'll say that if the "hatred" is being expressed by "new immigrants", it is because they're not accustomed yet to Canadian standards/values, and they deserve a second chance, etc...which, in some ways, I suppose, can be argued...There have been other things going on which I have far less patience with (and it's not with newly arrived immigrants..)..some of the crap with the United Church, the Mennonites, etc...but that's another story.)

117 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:07:39am

re: #23 tradewind

In the interest of saving time and google searches, could some lizard tell in a nutshell who Alex Jones is and what he mainly does? Thanks in advance.

He has some long-term financial interests in marketing long-shelf-life foods and other products that would likely be bought by anyone stocking a bomb shelter, or a public or private armory, or maintaining a local militia.

He promotes a very wide variety of conspiracy theories. It's a business strategy.

118 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:08:38am

re: #106 acacia

Wanting our country back is a common feeling among almost everyone I know.

Who took it away from you? The Samoans?

119 albusteve  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:10:57am

re: #115 Dynomite

Back from whom? The duly elected President & Democratic majority Congress, and those who share the same political views?

You'll get your chance next November & in 2012.

Until then, GET OVER IT. YOU LOST THE ELECTION.

I want the POTUS and his administration to run this country with fiscal responsibility, secure our borders and strengthen our military...so whatever you call it, I want to go BACK to that...what the fuck is so difficult to understand?...I want to go BACK to a govt I can support, one that serves me, not the other way around

120 spinmore  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #119 albusteve

Yeah . . . what he said

121 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:12:03am

re: #115 Dynomite

Back from whom? The duly elected President & Democratic majority Congress, and those who share the same political views?

You'll get your chance next November & in 2012.

Until then, GET OVER IT. YOU LOST THE ELECTION.

I'll remember your fine diplomatic stance when the (R)s are on the upside of the political pendulum. It is precisely that kind of in your face attitude and tin eared arrogance that helps fuel the extremists fears (not that the need any help).

The last time I checked we had (D)s (R)s and (I)s representing us in congress. While the (D)s are enjoying a sizable majority among the executive and legislative branches they were not given carte blanch to pass any legislation in the face of public opposition.

Do I wish the wingnuts would leave politics and discourse to the adults? Yes. Do I wish the moonbats would do the same. Yes. Do I wish the administration wouldn't talk down to the American people. Yes.

122 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:12:04am

Whenever I hear "we want our country back" I think of Glenn Beck. Not sure if he originated this talking point, but his 9/12 folks certainly use it over and over and over.

123 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:12:29am

re: #119 albusteve

I want the POTUS and his administration to run this country with fiscal responsibility, secure our borders and strengthen our military...so whatever you call it, I want to go BACK to that...what the fuck is so difficult to understand?...I want to go BACK to a govt I can support, one that serves me, not the other way around

Go back to that? Are you living in a fantasy world to believe that we ever had that?

That's what you want, great. Don't pretend it's something that we had before 1/20/09.

124 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:13:37am

In Canada the ADL has always been concerned with anti-Semitism, racism, bigotry and freedom of speech.
It is not concerned with partisan politics or the behaviour of the media in general.
I am curious as to whether the American ADL's apparent focus on the right wing media is a new thing for them, or whether they have always carried on in this fashion.

125 cliffster  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:14:03am

re: #115 Dynomite

Back from whom? The duly elected President & Democratic majority Congress, and those who share the same political views?

You'll get your chance next November & in 2012.

Until then, GET OVER IT. YOU LOST THE ELECTION.

You know, it's not a baseball game where you choose teams and get excited when your team wins. There are actual impacts and implications to decisions being made by these people on the teams. This "nya nya nya, we won" stuff we keep hearing is a tad childish, and I think highlights the way some people really look at things.

126 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #122 Stanley Sea

Whenever I hear "we want our country back" I think of Glenn Beck. Not sure if he originated this talking point, but his 9/12 folks certainly use it over and over and over.

When I hear it I think of Pawnee, Cree, and Mohawks.

127 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:14:16am

re: #123 Dynomite

Go back to that? Are you living in a fantasy world to believe that we ever had that?

That's what you want, great. Don't pretend it's something that we had before 1/20/09.

I think he was talking about going back to the Clinton administration. None of his desiderata happened on Bush's watch...

128 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:15:32am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

When I hear it I think of Pawnee, Cree, and Mohawks.

When I hear it I think of undereducated white people trembling before demographic inevitability.

129 albusteve  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #123 Dynomite

Go back to that? Are you living in a fantasy world to believe that we ever had that?

That's what you want, great. Don't pretend it's something that we had before 1/20/09.

I don't pretend...my post is pretty simple, nuance all you want, I don't care if you can't grasp such an easy concept or not...if you can't, I consider you part of the problem, not the solution

130 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:16:18am

re: #122 Stanley Sea

Whenever I hear "we want our country back" I think of Glenn Beck. Not sure if he originated this talking point, but his 9/12 folks certainly use it over and over and over.

Really? WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK

131 Racer X  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:16:56am

re: #130 DaddyG

Really? WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK

Thats gonna leave a mark.

132 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:17:00am

re: #128 Cato the Elder

When I hear it I think of undereducated white people trembling before demographic inevitability.

The educated ones bother me more.

133 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:17:17am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

When I hear it I think of Pawnee, Cree, and Mohawks.


Shhh... don't tell the Cherokee but my house is squatting on their land.

134 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:17:51am

re: #125 cliffster

You know, it's not a baseball game where you choose teams and get excited when your team wins. There are actual impacts and implications to decisions being made by these people on the teams. This "nya nya nya, we won" stuff we keep hearing is a tad childish, and I think highlights the way some people really look at things.

I don't disagree with you, if it is legitimate political debate. But what I object to is this "take this country back" crap which is simply sore-losership. No one was screaming "TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK" when GWB was President, with pourus borders, and spending policies no different than any dyed-in-the-wool Democrat.

135 albusteve  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:17:51am

re: #127 Cato the Elder

I think he was talking about going back to the Clinton administration. None of his desiderata happened on Bush's watch...

back, forward, sideways...what's the difference...take my desiderata and shove it

136 Racer X  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:18:19am

Ahh. The "Republicans are uneducated" argument.

137 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:18:41am

re: #133 DaddyG

Shhh... don't tell the Cherokee but my house is squatting on their land.

You'll be hearing from my wife.

138 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:19:31am

re: #130 DaddyG

Updung--fax is fax.

139 brookly red  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:19:57am

re: #131 Racer X

Thats gonna leave a mark.

it has... look around.

140 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:20:23am

re: #122 Stanley Sea

Whenever I hear "we want our country back" I think of Glenn Beck. Not sure if he originated this talking point, but his 9/12 folks certainly use it over and over and over.

re: #128 Cato the Elder

When I hear it I think of undereducated white people trembling before demographic inevitability.

Howard Dean 2003 Formal Announcement
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

...fueling this campaign to take back this country...

(There is nothing new under the sun...)

(

141 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:22:39am

re: #124 Spare O'Lake

In Canada the ADL has always been concerned with anti-Semitism, racism, bigotry and freedom of speech.
It is not concerned with partisan politics or the behaviour of the media in general.
I am curious as to whether the American ADL's apparent focus on the right wing media is a new thing for them, or whether they have always carried on in this fashion.

Anyone care to comment on whether the position taken by the American ADL is consistent with its historical mandate and whether it represents a departure into the realm of partisan politics?

142 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:22:50am

re: #134 Dynomite

...what I object to is this "take this country back" crap which is simply sore-losership. No one was screaming "TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK" when GWB was President...

Perhaps you missed this... WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK

143 cliffster  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:22:56am

re: #130 DaddyG

Really? WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK

IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH! BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

144 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:23:32am

re: #130 DaddyG

Really? WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK

Well holy crap.

145 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:23:46am

re: #141 Spare O'Lake

Anyone care to comment on whether the position taken by the American ADL is consistent with its historical mandate and whether it represents a departure into the realm of partisan politics?

It is a long standing tradition... Politican scandal and partisanship

146 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:23:47am

re: #135 albusteve

back, forward, sideways...what's the difference...take my desiderata and shove it them.

FTFY

147 Kragar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:23:49am

re: #143 cliffster

IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH! BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

LOUD NOISES!

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!

148 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:23:54am

re: #140 RogueOne

Howard Dean 2003 Formal Announcement
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

...fueling this campaign to take back this country...

(There is nothing new under the sun...)

(

Crap, then, crap now. Crap is the same whether it comes from a donkey or an elephant.

There's a reason Dean got blown out.

149 Kragar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:24:36am

re: #148 Dynomite

Crap, then, crap now. Crap is the same whether it comes from a donkey or an elephant.

There's a reason Dean got blown out.

HEEEYAA!!

150 cliffster  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:25:32am

re: #136 Racer X

Ahh. The "Republicans are uneducated" argument.

When all else fails, condescend!

151 Racer X  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:25:34am

I'm confused now (dumb right-wingnut), are Republicans poorly educated morons? Or are they all rich white greedy capitalists? Can they be both? Dammit I don't get it.

152 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:25:49am

re: #130 DaddyG

Really? WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK

We have gotten to a point in this country where politics is a blood sport. We don't have statesmen and stateswomen any more. We have ideological hacks, and they all think they have to go for it on fourth and long. Madness.

153 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:26:57am

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HEEEYAA!!

Beat me to it.

But here is the video.

(PS Howard Dean didn't lose because he said Take Back America... he lost because he had all the charm of a used car salesman from South Carolina, and New Mexico, and Michigan... yeeeaaahhh!

154 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:27:16am

re: #151 Racer X

I'm confused now (dumb right-wingnut), are Republicans poorly educated morons? Or are they all rich white greedy capitalists? Can they be both? Dammit I don't get it.

They are very diverse.

155 Kragar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:27:58am

re: #151 Racer X

I'm confused now (dumb right-wingnut), are Republicans poorly educated morons? Or are they all rich white greedy capitalists? Can they be both? Dammit I don't get it.

Of course they can be both my fine Lizard friend. They're devious that way.

156 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:28:40am

re: #152 Sharmuta

We have gotten to a point in this country where politics is a blood sport. We don't have statesmen and stateswomen any more. We have ideological hacks, and they all think they have to go for it on fourth and long. Madness.


The madness has always been there. It is part of the price of free speech - having to put up with nonsense.

However we are "we the people" not "we the politicians" or "we the pundits". I have faith WE will choose good representatives over the long haul that will help us preserve our liberty and our lives.

157 researchok  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:29:04am

From what I've read so far, I only take issue with the ADL's characterization of the Town Hall meetings.

The ADL does not address the frustration of individuals who simply disagree (lumping them all in the same boat) with particular policies, nor do they address the often imperious behavior and rhetoric of politicians which inspires some of the outrage. Nor did the ADL report on the violence at the meetings perpetrated against the protesters.

There is a wide spectrum of voices at the Town Hall meetings. To paint them all with the brush ought not what the ADL needs to be doing.

Especially the ADL.

158 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #151 Racer X

I'm confused now (dumb right-wingnut), are Republicans poorly educated morons? Or are they all rich white greedy capitalists? Can they be both? Dammit I don't get it.

Education?

DROP OUT

Because no one with a high school diploma has ever conquered Asia.

159 cliffster  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:31:19am

re: #151 Racer X

I'm confused now (dumb right-wingnut), are Republicans poorly educated morons? Or are they all rich white greedy capitalists? Can they be both? Dammit I don't get it.

Is this that broad brush I keep hearing about?

160 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:32:18am

Sarah Palin wants to take the her country back.

It was almost within her grasp. She could taste it already. God in his providence had reached down and plucked her from her lowly post in Alaska to lead the country back to purity. Sick Grandpa surely wouldn't last a whole four years, and then she'd be in the catbitch seat.

But it all fell apart when that McCain staffer stopped her from going rouge. Bald devil! Her girlish dreams were dashed.

Now she's found the Other McCain, a good friend who has a lot more in mind when he talks about taking back the country. Together they'll take it back to a time when people knew their places, when a man could beat and rape and beat his black slave-girl to his heart's content. To a time when Hockey Mom was a woman's proudest boast - unless 'twere Madam President. To a time when drunks shooting wolves from helicopters was seen as the manly sport it is.

The time will come...

161 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:32:51am

Universal rule #213

You can always tell the political party in power because they speak of civility.

You can always tell the political party out of power because they speak of disenfranchisement.

This has been another public service message from the DOO (department of obviousness).

162 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:33:04am

re: #159 cliffster

Is this that broad brush I keep hearing about?


Big tent.

163 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:35:01am

re: #160 Cato the Elder
I'm sure some romance novelist has got it drafted already. The cover has a hunky snowmobile driver showing his smooth oiled chest as she clings to his thigh. /

164 Bloodnok  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:35:02am

re: #152 Sharmuta

re: #130 DaddyG


Really? WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK


We have gotten to a point in this country where politics is a blood sport. We don't have statesmen and stateswomen any more. We have ideological hacks, and they all think they have to go for it on fourth and long. Madness.

Why must you remind me of the Patriots game on Sunday night? Why?

165 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:35:02am

re: #162 DaddyG

Big tent.

The circus already took back their big tent. The GOP doesn't need it anymore.

166 Kragar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:36:14am

re: #165 Cato the Elder

The circus already took back their big tent. The GOP doesn't need it anymore.

They took that little one off to the side. The one with the Freak Show banner hanging out front.

167 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:36:32am

re: #165 Cato the Elder

The circus already took back their big tent. The GOP doesn't need it anymore.


Perhaps a log cabin? /

168 enoughalready  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:38:23am

I also want my country back. Actually I can take any country as long as it has a reasonable GDP, a good tax base and I can get the job as supreme ruler with extra leopard skin pillbox hats.

169 avanti  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:38:53am

Nate Silver talks about Palin in 2012. He's betting on it.

Palin

170 Kragar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:40:10am

re: #168 enoughalready

I also want my country back. Actually I can take any country as long as it has a reasonable GDP, a good tax base and I can get the job as supreme ruler with extra leopard skin pillbox hats.

I could offer you a place in Kragaristan, but the position of Supreme Leader is already of filled. I could offer you a Cabinet position in the Ministry of Silly Hats if you are interested though.

171 jaunte  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:40:28am

Everyone says they want their country back, but no one wants to go out and rake the leaves off of it.

172 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:41:46am
173 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:42:28am

re: #171 jaunte

Everyone says they want their country back, but no one wants to go out and rake the leaves off of it.

Stimulus for the leaf blower industry. Take back Americas turf!

174 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:43:14am

... well we tried Americans blowing America but the focus groups had an odd reaction.

175 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:44:24am

I am so depressed.

176 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:45:25am

re: #175 Alouette

I am so depressed.


Tell us about it.

177 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:46:00am

re: #176 DaddyG

Tell us about it.

The world is fucked.

178 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #177 Alouette

Samwise has something to say about that:

179 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:47:34am

re: #177 Alouette

The world is fucked.


Take one of these and call me in the morning sweetie!

180 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:48:16am

re: #178 Sharmuta

Samwise has something to say about that:


[Video]

"Even darkness must pass..."

181 enoughalready  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:48:17am

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I could offer you a place in Kragaristan, but the position of Supreme Leader is already of filled. I could offer you a Cabinet position in the Ministry of Silly Hats if you are interested though.

Nah, I am holding out for a cushier job. You see, the very real problem is one of money. I'm afraid that the Ministry of Silly Hats is no longer getting the kind of support it needs. You see there's Defense, Social Security, Health, Housing, Education, Silly Hats ... they're all supposed to get the same. But last year, the Government spent less on the Ministry of Silly Hats than it did on National Defencel Now we get KD348,000,000,000 a year, which is supposed to be spent on all our available products. Coffee?

(Blatantly and lovingly ripped off from MPFC)

182 enoughalready  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:49:49am

re: #175 Alouette

I am so depressed.

Do you think coming here will help you not to be depressed?

/Eliza

183 Cato the Elder  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:50:12am

re: #177 Alouette

The world is fucked.

'Twas ever thus.

184 enoughalready  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:51:10am

re: #169 avanti

Nate Silver talks about Palin in 2012. He's betting on it.

Palin

I'll take that bet, hell, I'd take that bet at 3.5:1

185 AZDave  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:51:19am

re: #44 RogueOne

No I don't. I remember the same talk during clinton,bush, and reagan. There's always a boogeyman out there.

And there always will be.

186 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:52:12am

Remember that saying about insanity, that it's repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result?
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

187 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:54:07am

The key Tea Party analogy that seems to get lost in the ruckus is that the original Tea Party was directed at a distant monarch who ruled America as a colony.

The current rage is directed at a government that was elected by a clear majority of the voting public, with a solid majority in Congress.

Just who are they angry at, and does anybody get the joke that they are just a loud, noisy, whining minority?

188 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:55:30am

re: #150 cliffster

Except that among registered voters, the dubious distinction of 'most number of high school dropouts ' goes to the Democrats.

189 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:56:55am

re: #188 tradewind

Except that among registered voters, the dubious distinction of 'most number of high school dropouts ' goes to the Democrats.

... and PhDs - that must mean something.

190 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:57:17am
191 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:57:40am

re: #187 ralphieboy

with a solid majority in Congress.

... stay tuned. In another year, chances are it will have changed.

192 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:58:21am

re: #189 DaddyG

... and PhDs - that must mean something.


How about plumbing school dropouts?

193 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #177 Alouette

I got that feeling around the year 1999/2000 or so..(some things do seem to have grown worse)..but anything in particular here making you feel this way?

194 AZDave  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:59:40am

re: #85 J.S.

Calgary just had its synagogue and Holocaust memorial vandalized with nazi graffiti...(the police aren't calling it a hate crime yet.)

Of course not. Just Jews.

195 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:59:54am

re: #189 DaddyG

You mean the ones that aren't honorary? Mostly academics cooped up in university ivory towers, insulated from life and commerce.
I said mostly.
Just proves the point... a party of extremists.///

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:00:15pm

re: #93 RogueOne

If you want to be scared of something tangible, go hang out at your local county courthouse and jail for awhile.

What does that mean, exactly? I think everyone's agreed that crime is a problem. The ADL is reporting on trends in extremist thought.

197 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:01:38pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist
Thought isn't such a problem until it ignites into action.
We don't want to turn into Eurabia, where it's illegal to hold opinions and voice them.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:01:57pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

LOL

[did you see my book recommendation?]

No, I hadn't. Thank you, I will see if I can get a copy of that.

199 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:03:09pm

re: #193 J.S.

I got that feeling around the year 1999/2000 or so..(some things do seem to have grown worse)..but anything in particular here making you feel this way?

I see two factors stressing people more these days.
1) The ease of getting worldwide local news over the net and 24 hour news feeds. If a child is abducted on the far end of the country we immediately hear about it, when there is an earthquake or coup we know right away. If 12 protestors are yelling at a town hall meeting in Peoria or a bomb is thrown at a recruiting center in Manhattan we have it beamed right into our living room. Act locally and stress globally.
2) recency. We key on things in our recent memory. Never mind the fact that 1 of 5 children died of influenza in 1918 and families were starving in 1934. We didn't experience it first hand so it doesn't have the visceral effect of current evens.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:04:20pm

re: #110 Cato the Elder

I started a fund drive on Facebook for the ASPCA. So far several friends have donated.

One old friend, however, felt obliged to ask me a couple of questions: "What is their stance on raising animals for our consumption? Or testing of drugs, cosmetics on animals?"

I replied: "PETA they're not. But then I eat animals, and I'm for reasonable drug testing (screw cosmetics). ASPCA is against puppy mills, dog-fighting, and people who set unwanted kittens on fire. Also animal hoarding (little old ladies who keep 47 dogs in a one-family house), neglect, abandonment, and needless euthanasia. All of which goes on every single day. That's enough of a fight for me!"

Never heard a word back from her. I somehow doubt she'll send any money.

PETA doesn't do much for actual animals, being as they're too busy condemning practically everything humans do to and with them.

201 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:06:09pm

re: #106 acacia

Wanting our country back is a common feeling among almost everyone I know.

Who do you want your country back from?
From me? From the middle? From the over 50% who vote for the President?
From the future?
Where has it gone?
Is it on vacation?

BTW, the common feeling among people I know is relief the Obama is President. I guess it all depends on who you hang out with...

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:06:10pm

re: #113 RogueOne

Except there aren't any "facts", there's conjecture. Lets say I agree with the argument "People are angry right now". How does that statement mean it's worse now than ever before? Did Alex Jones only go crazy when obama was elected? Did people love paying higher taxes and 10% unemployment and treat their elected officials with nothing but grace before Obama was elected? Did people loved having the Nat'l guard do live-fire exercises within city limits before Obama was elected? Were conspiracy theories invented after obama took office? I'm not as old as you are but surely you remember this kind of stuff going back at least 25 years. Not even Bush Sr. was immune to whacked out theories in the 90's.

My point is there's nothing new here and there are no facts to support the thesis. This is fear mongering plain and simple and just because I like the work the ADL has done doesn't mean I should give them a pass on this.

I think you're talking nonsense. The ADL is not saying that nothing like this has ever been on the scene before. Are you saying there is no point in writing a report on currrent trends in the area that the ADL focuses on?

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:07:23pm

re: #118 Cato the Elder

Who took it away from you? The Samoans?

It's terrible. My feet don't touch the floor anymore.

204 really grumpy big dog johnson  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:08:23pm

I never envisioned a future in which the movie Network would take on more relevance, rather than less.

And to think that I actually walked out on the movie when I first saw it...

Times have changed, and not necessarily for the better.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #119 albusteve

I want the POTUS and his administration to run this country with fiscal responsibility, secure our borders and strengthen our military...so whatever you call it, I want to go BACK to that...what the fuck is so difficult to understand?...I want to go BACK to a govt I can support, one that serves me, not the other way around

I'm sorry, but not liking the President does not mean you have 'lost your country'. It means you don't like the President. You may even be frantically worried about the country's well being under the President you don't like. But you have not 'lost the country', you have simply lost an election.

206 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:09:17pm

re: #201 webevintage

BTW, the common feeling among people I know is relief the Obama is President. I guess it all depends on who you hang out with...

You know Bill Ayers? /

207 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:10:52pm

re: #199 DaddyG

I've also noticed a kind of numbing effect? (I recall very visceral revulsion -- of an incredibly intense kind -- when just considering "a suicide bomber" -- back in mid to late 1990s, through The Second Intifada -- now there are daily, daily reports of this -- and it's become, "What else is new?" -- it's just grotesque (now we've got suicide bombers and callousness) ...it's like some kind of fatigue as the world steadily declines...)

208 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #119 albusteve

I want to go BACK to a govt I can support, one that serves me, not the other way around

Guess what?
That is the way I felt for the last 8 years.
It sucks, I feel for you guys, but sooner or later one of your guys will be on top and I'll be wondering wth? happened and when is Karl Rove going to prison?

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #121 DaddyG

I'll remember your fine diplomatic stance when the (R)s are on the upside of the political pendulum. It is precisely that kind of in your face attitude and tin eared arrogance that helps fuel the extremists fears (not that the need any help).

I've kept the same stance Dynomite has when the Rs have been on the upside before. I remember the Era of Newt, I watched both Bush terms, and I did not snivel about how I wanted my country BACK. I snivelled about how I wanted to elect a Democrat. There's a big difference between "Goddamn, why did we elect this guy," and "The sky is falling! It's never been this bad before!"

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #124 Spare O'Lake

In Canada the ADL has always been concerned with anti-Semitism, racism, bigotry and freedom of speech.
It is not concerned with partisan politics or the behaviour of the media in general.
I am curious as to whether the American ADL's apparent focus on the right wing media is a new thing for them, or whether they have always carried on in this fashion.

Dunno if it's a focus, just their latest report.

211 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:13:11pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sorry, but not liking the President does not mean you have 'lost your country'. It means you don't like the President. You may even be frantically worried about the country's well being under the President you don't like. But you have not 'lost the country', you have simply lost an election.

That is the lost point of these Tea party folks, that they are *incredibly* sore losers. They will not look to their own lame candidates, miserable approval ratings of their incumbent or their own political gaffes: it is all plots, subterfuge, Zionists/Communists/cryptofascists/Islamists behind the malaise...

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:13:14pm

re: #133 DaddyG

Shhh... don't tell the Cherokee but my house is squatting on their land.

I think they know.

213 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:15:04pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

I've kept the same stance Dynomite has when the Rs have been on the upside before. I remember the Era of Newt, I watched both Bush terms, and I did not snivel about how I wanted my country BACK. I snivelled about how I wanted to elect a Democrat. There's a big difference between "Goddamn, why did we elect this guy," and "The sky is falling! It's never been this bad before!"

This is a great statement. If I could upding more, I would.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:16:12pm

re: #197 tradewind

Thought isn't such a problem until it ignites into action.
We don't want to turn into Eurabia, where it's illegal to hold opinions and voice them.

THe ADL is not proposing that it be illegal to hold opinions and voice them.

215 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:16:42pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they know.

If the Cherokee had had a business concept, they would've been there offering low-interest mortgage loans on 4-bedroom ranch homes when the first settlers showed up. They just let the market slip away from them...

216 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:16:53pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they know.

Yeah. One of my friends from church is descended from Chief Vann. He told me not to worry about it, just keep the yard clean and mowed. ;-)

217 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:16:59pm

[Link: sfy.ru...]


HOWARD
I'm going to blow my brains out
right on the air, right in the
middle of the seven o'clock news.

MAX
You'll get a hell of a rating,
I'll tell you that, a fifty
share easy --

HOWARD
You think so?

MAX
We could make a series out of it.
Suicide of the Week. Hell, why
limit ourselves? Execution of the
Week -- the Madame Defarge Show!
Every Sunday night, bring your
knitting and watch somebody get
guillotined, hung, electrocuted,
gassed. For a logo, we'll have
some brute with a black hood over
his head. Think of the spin-offs
-- Rape of the Week --

HOWARD
(beginning to get
caught up in the idea)
Terrorist of the Week?

MAX
Beautiful!

218 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:18:34pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

THe ADL is not proposing that it be illegal to hold opinions and voice them.

You are just rapid fire common sense today.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:18:47pm

re: #216 DaddyG

Yeah. One of my friends from church is descended from Chief Vann. He told me not to worry about it, just keep the yard clean and mowed. ;-)

I'd say that's a deal.

220 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #206 DaddyG

You know Bill Ayers? /

rim shot

221 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:20:50pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

What does that mean, exactly? I think everyone's agreed that crime is a problem. The ADL is reporting on trends in extremist thought.

What I mean is there are truly scary things going on in this country and most of them are happening right under our noses by our local officials. It's not a conspiracy, it's done right out in the open and usually with the blessing of the populace. Local prosecutors, cops, judges and even the damn zoning boards are rife with corruption and no one seems to care because the TV news isn't scaring the hell out of them about it.

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you're talking nonsense. The ADL is not saying that nothing like this has ever been on the scene before. Are you saying there is no point in writing a report on currrent trends in the area that the ADL focuses on?


My point is you have things to be concerned about and I don't believe the "rise of right-wing anger and extremism" is really one of them. Here's a short history question, what year do you think this was?

...progressives, offended and frightened by vitriolic far-right opposition (of the presidents initiatives )launched "a systematic campaign of public condemnation and state repression." Private liberal organizations "initiated the collection of dossiers on leading figures of the Far Right,"...

Here's a hint: It was the same time period that Sinclair Lewis wrote his right-wing scare fest "It Can't Happen Here". This whole "Be afraid! the right wing is out to get us!" has been going on for almost a hundred years now.

222 McNug  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #124 Spare O'Lake

In Canada the ADL has always been concerned with anti-Semitism, racism, bigotry and freedom of speech.
It is not concerned with partisan politics or the behaviour of the media in general.
I am curious as to whether the American ADL's apparent focus on the right wing media is a new thing for them, or whether they have always carried on in this fashion.

To be fair, Canadian political discourse does not seem to degenerate into paranoia, intellectual dishonesty and sheer weirdness quite so often.

223 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:29:45pm

Could it be that mainstream America understands that the country needs to be taken back from the Arab oil sheikhs and the Chinese? Obama in China, whining about Copenhagen and Tibet, reminded me of this, and of just how weak and ineffectual Obama seems.
Based on Hu's statement, the Chinese seem to fear US protectionism more than anything else. They can ignore or pay lip service to the climate change and human rights whining, but they need the US to buy their goods in order to stave off a huge domestic economic dislocation and political crisis.
The emphasis on the need to maintain free trade, stimulate Chinee domestic demand, allow the exchange rate for the yuan to float, and the need to correct the US foreign trade deficit, are all reflections of this fear.
My sense is that the US administration's position will really be based on the implicit threat of America imposing all sorts of restrictions on trade, in order to extract Chinese agreement to the financial debt restructuring deemed necessary to sustain the US economic recovery until at least November, 2012.

224 albusteve  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

FTFY

ha!...a plural, I knew it!

225 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:38:15pm

These are dangerous times. Once before, in europe after 1929, bogus people acquired power partly because of economic distress, and in an atmosphere of animosity.

226 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:03:57pm

It does seem that since Obama got elected that we are seeing more right wing nuts come out. They were there under Bush too. I know that the far right and by that I mean the ku kluxkers, neo-nazis, etc all hated Bush since his administration was pro Israel, had a lot of Blacks, Jews, and other minorities in his administration, etc.

227 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:14:52pm

re: #222 McNug

(it all depends...there is extremism here too, it's just buried further under the surface, imo... but, as you note, it's also of a different kind...not the same "touch points" as with the United States...but, there is definitely radicalism and extremism here, too...)

228 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:18:53pm

re: #223 Spare O'Lake

From an outsider's perspective it is looking increasingly like America needs to "keep the Chinese happy." It's China dictating to the U.S. (not the other way around). In other words, the U.S. has little to no leverage.

229 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:29:45pm

and, speaking of the world, here's a dandelion in seed in mid-November! (typically we have about 2 feet of snow by now.)

230 PAUL_MACDONALD  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:40:35pm

Thanks for putting this link up, Charles. I've been following this trend for awhile, but it's nice to have it so well documented.

231 J.S.  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:44:43pm

(I just checked the Weather Channel to get the temperature -- it's 17 degrees Celsius! 62.6 degrees Fahrenheit ! (this must be a record breaking temp for Edmonon, Alberta...can't believe it...I need the air conditioner..it's 20 degrees above normal.)

232 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:55:26pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course, I understand that. So why all the emphasis on ' thought' in the country? And just how are they able to grok the intensity and direction of all this ' thought', anyway. It's events and actions that should concern any advocacy group, not what they fear some group or people may be thinking.
Just picking a nit, actually. Not such a big deal.

233 Kruk  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 5:48:43pm

re: #228 J.S.

From an outsider's perspective it is looking increasingly like America needs to "keep the Chinese happy." It's China dictating to the U.S. (not the other way around). In other words, the U.S. has little to no leverage.

I think it works both ways. Paradoxically, the sheer size of US debt to China means that China has to be very carefull not to do anything that would hurt the US economically. (No-one wants to see their biggest customer and debtor go bust.) The US and China seem locked in a debt embrace that neither is particularly happy with, and neither can break.

234 GreenSoccer  Wed, Nov 18, 2009 10:58:35am

Well I for one think President Obama is our first Orwellian President, just 25 years off.

235 Fenris  Wed, Nov 18, 2009 1:37:28pm

I really couldn't be more glad that the ADL stepped up and addressed the more conspiracy-laden aspects of the fringes. However, I'm left to wonder if they're being euphemistic with Alex Jones. He has, after all, an annoying habit of inviting Holocaust deniers and related anti-Semites on his show, such as Texe Marrs, Mike Rivero, and Michael Hoffman.


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