Hoffman and Beck Storming the Castle

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Prodded by Glenn Beck, far right candidate Doug Hoffman has ‘unconceded’ in New York 23.

After some tabulating errors were discovered, Owens’ lead over Hoffman shrunk to 3,026 votes. But there are as many as 10,000 oustanding absentee and paper ballots that only today will begin to be counted. (And that number could be far less; 10,000 absentee ballots were requested … we don’t know exactly how many were returned.) Hoffman “unconceded” today on Glenn Beck’s national radio show.

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119 comments
1 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:07:44pm

Oh, brother.

2 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:08:06pm

Count every vote, it's the American way.

3 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:09:26pm
“unconceded”

Is that like "unfriended"?

4 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:09:31pm

I hereby flounce! I never want to be here again!

I take it back! I take it back!

5 Yashmak  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:10:32pm

Making up 3000 votes in just 10000 outstanding ballots? Doesn't sound very feasible to me, unless those absentee ballots are primarily from folks in military service.

6 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:10:33pm

Bill Owens will probably still win. But if he doesn't, what happens to the vote he cast on the healthcare reform bill? Was the election result certified before he voted?

7 Yashmak  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:11:05pm

re: #6 The Sanity Inspector

Bill Owens will probably still win. But if he doesn't, what happens to the vote he cast on the healthcare reform bill? Was the election result certified before he voted?

Nope. It wasn't certified at that point.

8 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:11:09pm

Maybe Hoffman can make a movie... start out saying "I was the almost next Congressman..."

9 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:11:23pm

Unconceded isn't useful.

If they really want to do something useful for the electorate they would get unconstipated.

10 Dynomite  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:11:56pm

re: #5 Yashmak

Making up 3000 votes in just 10000 outstanding ballots? Doesn't sound very feasible to me, unless those absentee ballots are primarily from folks in military service.

Even if they are primarily military, most if not all were mailed before Dede jumped out of the race, what, 2 days before? I'm willing to bet Dede has a higher proportion of the absentee ballots (by a factor) than of the regular vote.

And yes, I'm saying Dede because I don't dare try to spell the last name. :)

11 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:13:17pm

Could use some global warming around here right now, BRRR.

12 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:13:59pm

Somewhere in Minnesota there is a trunk full of missing NY23 ballots. /

13 Rexatosis  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:15:57pm

Rep. Owens has already been sworn in by the House. This is merely the first salvo in the 2010 campaign for the District 23 seat.

14 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #6 The Sanity Inspector

Bill Owens will probably still win. But if he doesn't, what happens to the vote he cast on the healthcare reform bill? Was the election result certified before he voted?

Hoffman's concession allowed Owens to be seated. Without it, he would have had to wait until the election results were certified.

And the health care bill still would have passed.

15 rollwave87  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:16:10pm

please please please don't post on facebook about this Sarah...you already damaged yourself enough hitching your star to the beck/hoffman shit show...

16 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:16:27pm

Go ahead and count all the votes. I commented on this the other day and concession or unconcession; Hoffman still loses and Owens still wins.

It would take a stunning set of circumstances for Hoffman to overcome the 3,000 vote margin that appears to be the current level (and that's based on several day old information at that).

There are 10,000 absentee ballots. To overcome the 3,000 vote advantage, Hoffman would have to take them 2-1, and that means we'd have to ignore that the absentee ballots were placed before Scozzafava withdrew from the race. So, unless Hoffman gets that 2-1, he's not going to make up the margin. It's exceeding improbable that such a situation occurs.

I suspect the absentees are going to split pretty much evenly between Owens, Scozzafava, and Hoffman.

This is just so much more hot air.

17 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:17:18pm

re: #5 Yashmak

Making up 3000 votes in just 10000 outstanding ballots? Doesn't sound very feasible to me, unless those absentee ballots are primarily from folks in military service.

I'm thinking a lot of those votes will go to Scozzafava since they were likely cast before she dropped out of the race. So- it will be even more difficult for hoffman to make up the votes he needs to win.

18 Yashmak  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:17:30pm

If he succeeds in 'unconceding', I'm going to try folding at the turn in hold-em, and then claiming victory anyway if the card I need comes up on the river.

19 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:18:26pm

Hey, this is how Al Franken got in, we owe it to them in the name of fairness.

20 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:18:44pm

re: #3 wrenchwench

Is that like "unfriended"?

More like unbeheaded...

21 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:19:57pm

When will they bring in the attorneys?

22 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:20:04pm

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

Originally published in the August 2009 issue of Runners World, the photo features the former Alaska governor in short runner's shorts. It was part of a multi-photograph slideshow that accompanied an article about Palin and her love for the sport titled, "I'm A Runner." In her Facebook post late last night, Palin took issue with Newsweek using a photo from an article about health and fitness to promote an analysis piece contemplating her relevance as a political figure

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:20:24pm

Are we going to get the HE STOLED TEH ELECSHUN!! cries after Hoffman loses? We need more of those guys and their magical sandwich boards.

24 charlz  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:21:01pm

FWIW There was a comment on The Hill site that Hoffman didn't really unconcede:
The Hill

I spoke to Hoffman's campaign today, he didn't really unconcede, he was just having some horse-play with BeckBY Sammy Benoit on 11/16/2009 at 19:16

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:21:05pm

I am pulling for Hoffman just to hear the heads pop on the left.

26 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

Nice legs.

27 CommonCents  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:21:42pm

re: #19 ralphieboy

Hey, this is how Al Franken got in, we owe it to them in the name of fairness.

I have to stick to my principles. I wasn't cool with it when Franken did it, or Gore, or the lady in Washington or somewhere out west, so I can't jump on the Hoffman wagon either.

What I do find curious is that NO ONE on Hoffman's staff has ever taken a statistics course or he wouldn't have conceded, unconceded, conceded, and then unconceded. Make up your frickin' mind already.

28 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:22:05pm

The article I linked points out that a "concession" is legally meaningless. If they did count up the votes and discover that Hoffman scored an upset, Owens would be outta there. It's unlikely though.

29 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:22:09pm

This is nuts. How the fuck does one unconcede an election?
Is that like undrinking the kook aid?

30 rollwave87  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:22:40pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

oh, come on. I dunno whether or not it was sexist, but it sure was ridiculous.

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:22:44pm

re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am pulling for Hoffman just to hear the heads pop on the left.

Doesn't bother me, it's not my district. 8-) Heads will be popping on the moderate right, because it's one more nutbag taking the party to the extreme.

32 Yashmak  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:22:48pm

re: #26 MandyManners

Nice legs.

Indeed.

33 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:22:48pm

re: #29 Honorary Yooper

This is nuts. How the fuck does one unconcede an election?
Is that like undrinking the kook aid?

One could always stick one's finger down one's throat.

34 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:23:11pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

"What's wrong with being sexy?"

-Spinal Tap

35 CommonCents  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:23:13pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

I see her point. But I'm outraged that when it says short shorts that those shorts aren't that short.

36 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:23:28pm

re: #26 MandyManners

Nice legs.

You misogynist pig! She is a serious political figure! Legs have NOTHING to do with it!!!1!

/off to find some rope...

37 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:23:48pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

I gotta say that was a gotcha job. She took the photo in the running shorts for a spread in an athletic magazine not for them to use it on a serious news piece. Imagine a photo of President Obama shirtless in Hawaii used as a cover on a political piece about foreign policy. (Oh yeah...)

38 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:23:56pm

re: #33 MandyManners

One could always stick one's finger down one's throat.

This shit makes one want to do exactly that. Why is Hoffman acting like Al Gore?

39 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:24:36pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

I can't even parse her reasoning on this objection. The photo in question was taken with her consent, and used with her consent in the original article, without any objection. Why is it 'sexist' now, and not then?

The fact is, she doesn't care for the message the Newsweek article is promoting - that she's a negative for the GOP.

All this seems to demonstrate is that Palin has a skin that's far too thin for politics.

Meanwhile, the number of speeches she's giving from which the press is barred continues to grow. It seems to be a prerequisite for any public appearance she makes now. How she thinks you can conduct politics while freezing out anyone who might question you remains a mystery.

40 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #27 CommonCents

I have to stick to my principles. I wasn't cool with it when Franken did it, or Gore, or the lady in Washington or somewhere out west, so I can't jump on the Hoffman wagon either.

I thought the recount from Franken/Colman was automatic because the result was so close.
Had Franken already conceded?

41 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:24:57pm

re: #28 Charles

The article I linked points out that a "concession" is legally meaningless. If they did count up the votes and discover that Hoffman scored an upset, Owens would be outta there. It's unlikely though.

That's what I was wondering. I would think if someone "concedes" they can't just take it back a couple weeks later, guess I was wrong.

42 charlz  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:24:57pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

I'm amazed (no, not really) that she chose that to be upset about rather than the caption "She's bad news for the GOP -- and for everybody else, too"!

43 Yashmak  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:26:14pm

re: #42 charlz

I'm amazed (no, not really) that she chose that to be upset about rather than the caption "She's bad news for the GOP -- and for everybody else, too"!

I'd wager she wouldn't have been upset about the use of the picture, if it wasn't for the negative nature of the article. . . which would make it not so much about the picture itself afterall.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:26:27pm

re: #27 CommonCents

I have to stick to my principles. I wasn't cool with it when Franken did it, or Gore, or the lady in Washington or somewhere out west, so I can't jump on the Hoffman wagon either.

What I do find curious is that NO ONE on Hoffman's staff has ever taken a statistics course or he wouldn't have conceded, unconceded, conceded, and then unconceded. Make up your frickin' mind already.

Or more likely, he knows he's going to lose, and a Glennsey Becksey stunt will raise his profile as a martyr for the Tea Time Tots? Hoffman will almost certainly lose, but he might not just disappear.

45 CommonCents  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:26:53pm

re: #40 webevintage

I thought the recount from Franken/Colman was automatic because the result was so close.
Had Franken already conceded?

I don't recall and don't care. The guy is a tool and there were way too many questions in the balloting on that election. Why can't they just get a touch screen that prints a receipt I'll never know. You don't see bank ATM's dispensing the wrong bills and they are all touch screens. Know what I mean?

46 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:26:57pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

I think she's more bummed about how the flag was placed.

47 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:27:05pm

re: #30 rollwave87

oh, come on. I dunno whether or not it was sexist, but it sure was ridiculous.

What I found funny was this:

CBN commentator David Brady called the cover "a new low" for the "biased" magazine, adding that Newsweek has a history of portraying liberal women as "heroes for the next generation," while portraying conservative women like Palin as "nuts and dopey."

Sarah looks neither "nuts" or "dopey" in that picture. It was a bad choice for newsweek imo, but the criticisms should match reality.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #40 webevintage

I thought the recount from Franken/Colman was automatic because the result was so close.
Had Franken already conceded?

Al Franken never conceded to my knowledge.

49 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:27:59pm

re: #37 DaddyG

I gotta say that was a gotcha job. She took the photo in the running shorts for a spread in an athletic magazine not for them to use it on a serious news piece. Imagine a photo of President Obama shirtless in Hawaii used as a cover on a political piece about foreign policy. (Oh yeah...)

This.

50 CommonCents  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:28:03pm

re: #40 webevintage

I thought the recount from Franken/Colman was automatic because the result was so close.
Had Franken already conceded?


In Franken's case I should use the word conceited. Sorry for the confusion.

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:28:16pm

I retire.
No, wait, I don't.
Wait, yes I do.
Nope, hang on.
I'm playing.

Brett Farve
///

52 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:28:18pm

re: #42 charlz

I'm amazed (no, not really) that she chose that to be upset about rather than the caption "She's bad news for the GOP -- and for everybody else, too"!

Watch the birdie!

53 Yashmak  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:28:21pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

Al Franken never conceded to my knowledge.

No. Quite the reverse. He was pushing for recounts etc. etc. from almost the moment the polls closed.

54 War_Eagle  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:28:25pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

What is she holding in her left hand in that picture? Her wallet?

55 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:29:31pm

re: #42 charlz

I'm amazed (no, not really) that she chose that to be upset about rather than the caption "She's bad news for the GOP -- and for everybody else, too"!

In real life, that's what she's upset about. Had the article been flattering, we wouldn't have heard a word about it.

The photo wasn't sexist or even objected to when it was used by Runner's World. How did it become sexist when it hit Newsweek's cover?

Maybe she should start inserting Byzantine restrictions on her photo rights, similar to those she enforces for her speaking engagements which make sure there is no one "hostile" in the audience, like the press. Or gay people. Or people who've had sex without being married.

56 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:29:49pm

re: #28 Charles

The article I linked points out that a "concession" is legally meaningless. If they did count up the votes and discover that Hoffman scored an upset, Owens would be outta there. It's unlikely though.

Except for this:

Republicans already prevented a recount in a special election, perhaps setting a precedent.

The bad news, however, for now-hopeful Republicans/Conservatives is that when the results of the Busby/Bilbray race were contested by a California voter, the Republican-leadership of the U.S. House Administration Committee sent a letter [PDF] to the CA judge in the case, arguing that neither CA voters nor the state courts had jurisdiction to contest the election any longer, once the candidate had already been sworn into the U.S. House.

The article then describes the argument used by the Republican counsel, including:

"The United States Constitution unambiguously states that 'Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns, and Qualifications of its Members,'" Vinovich argued, quoting article I, section 5 of the Constitution. "As a result, the Constitution gives the House of Representatives 'the authority 'to determine the facts and apply the appropriate rules of law, and, finally, to render a judgment which is beyond the authority of any other tribunal to review.'"

57 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:29:51pm

I hope the conservatives and liberals will leave the NY23 election to the adults in the regular cycle.

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:29:54pm

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

I retire.
No, wait, I don't.
Wait, yes I do.
Nope, hang on.
I'm playing.

Brett Farve
///

The heavy metal example would be Ozzy. I literally saw him in concert when I was in high school , the stage was under a giant banner that said "NO MORE TOURS."

59 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:29:58pm

re: #37 DaddyG

I gotta say that was a gotcha job. She took the photo in the running shorts for a spread in an athletic magazine not for them to use it on a serious news piece. Imagine a photo of President Obama shirtless in Hawaii used as a cover on a political piece about foreign policy. (Oh yeah...)

I agree. Newsweek made a bad decision with this pic, and it does seem a bit sexist to me.

However, I also agree with others who are noticing her problem is the picture and not the content of the report. We don't want to draw attention to that, now do we?

60 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:30:57pm

re: #58 WindUpBird

The heavy metal example would be Ozzy. I literally saw him in concert when I was in high school , the stage was under a giant banner that said "NO MORE TOURS."

Ditto for The Eagles, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Prince, David Bowie, etc...

At least the Beatles were consistent.

61 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:31:03pm

re: #58 WindUpBird

The heavy metal example would be Ozzy. I literally saw him in concert when I was in high school , the stage was under a giant banner that said "NO MORE TOURS."

Sharon had stuff she wanted to buy...

62 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:31:52pm

re: #55 SixDegrees

The photo wasn't sexist or even objected to when it was used by Runner's World. How did it become sexist when it hit Newsweek's cover?

Context.

63 rollwave87  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:32:02pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

I agree. The text is far more offensive IMO...

64 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:32:30pm

Erg, I shouldn't have said "recount". The Republicans argued, in that case, that the final vote tally didn't matter, basically.

65 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:32:45pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

I guess I don't see it as sexist (after all we have had plenty of ogling Obama in his swim suit) as much as inappropriate for the article. They should take lessons from the Bat Boy articles. Now those photos really fit the spirit of the in depth journalism they accompany.

66 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:33:41pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

OT: the next outrageous outrage is here

Palin angered by 'sexist' Newsweek cover

I'm no Palin supporter, but she is 100% right on this one. The media is in overkill mode in their attack on her. She is already dead as a national political figure, but this piling on is unseemly, even for the left of center media.

67 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:33:45pm

re: #55 SixDegrees

The photo wasn't sexist or even objected to when it was used by Runner's World. How did it become sexist when it hit Newsweek's cover?

It's the context. This was supposed to be about politics, although there is an interpretation that could be made they showed her in running clothes because she's running for the nomination in 2012. I think it was a poor choice for newsweek, but agree with you she's trying to deflect from the body of newsweek's piece.

68 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:33:45pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

Sharon had stuff she wanted to buy...


Besides he had to ease up on live shows every now and then to let the bat population recover.

69 Kragar  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:33:55pm

Have fun storming the...nevermind.

70 MinisterO  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:34:32pm

Do I detect Franken Derangement Syndrome?

71 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:34:55pm

re: #29 Honorary Yooper

This is nuts. How the fuck does one unconcede an election?
Is that like undrinking the kook aid?

isn't that called puking?

72 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:35:27pm

re: #56 Obdicut

Except for this:

Republicans already prevented a recount in a special election, perhaps setting a precedent.

The bad news, however, for now-hopeful Republicans/Conservatives is that when the results of the Busby/Bilbray race were contested by a California voter, the Republican-leadership of the U.S. House Administration Committee sent a letter [PDF] to the CA judge in the case, arguing that neither CA voters nor the state courts had jurisdiction to contest the election any longer, once the candidate had already been sworn into the U.S. House.

You don't really think politicians care about consistency in their arguments do you?

73 brookly red  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:35:53pm

Why are these ballots not alredy counted? the election was sometime ago, something is not right here.

74 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:36:55pm

re: #70 MinisterO

Do I detect Franken Derangement Syndrome?

For me it was a chronic condition ever since I saw his act on Saturday Night Live. He's always been a very nasty partisan hack with his comedy. Hopefully some of the Senatorial congeniality will rub off.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:37:20pm

re: #13 Rexatosis

Rep. Owens has already been sworn in by the House. This is merely the first salvo in the 2010 campaign for the District 23 seat.

I know a woman whose family lives in NY23. They're gonna get bored with this real quick.

76 charlz  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:37:28pm

re: #55 SixDegrees

The photo wasn't sexist or even objected to when it was used by Runner's World. How did it become sexist when it hit Newsweek's cover?

I am in no way, shape or form an SP defender, but she does have a point -- the photo apparently was taken for a fitness article. It was used in this case for an article about a former VP candidate who, like it or not, is a force within her party. Unless that's a photo that was in her book, I don't believe that the choice was neutral.

77 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:37:32pm

re: #72 RogueOne

You don't really think politicians care about consistency in their arguments do you?

No, I don't. However, since that race came down the way it did, it would take the Democrats being more principled than the Republicans for them to seat him. Or they'd just want to seat him for the damage he'd do to 'conservatives'.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:37:51pm

re: #10 Dynomite

Even if they are primarily military, most if not all were mailed before Dede jumped out of the race, what, 2 days before? I'm willing to bet Dede has a higher proportion of the absentee ballots (by a factor) than of the regular vote.

And yes, I'm saying Dede because I don't dare try to spell the last name. :)

Mauybe Scozzafava should unwithdraw.

79 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #54 War_Eagle

What is she holding in her left hand in that picture? Her wallet?

looks like two blackberry smart phones

80 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:39:05pm

re: #74 DaddyG

For me it was a chronic condition ever since I saw his act on Saturday Night Live. He's always been a very nasty partisan hack with his comedy. Hopefully some of the Senatorial congeniality will rub off.

But... but... he's good enough, he's smart enough, and dog gone it- people like him.

/had to

81 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:39:05pm

re: #73 brookly red

Why are these ballots not alredy counted? the election was sometime ago, something is not right here.

There is a window of time to collect and count absentee ballots after the election day. It is almost impossible for the small number of volunteers and Secretary of State office staff to hand count ballots, and absentee ballots have to be hand counted by their nature. This is why they are often only counted when they could possibly change the outcome of the election.

82 albusteve  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:39:07pm

looks to me like they forgot the helmet and pads is all

83 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Context.

Maybe I'm reverting to my Neanderthal heritage, but I'm not seeing it or understanding it.

And on a related topic: she's supposed to be enough of a whiz at national politics to conduct herself accordingly. That includes not posing for photographs, or at least not releasing the rights to them, if you don't want to see them published.

I remember when that red-headed chick on Mythbusters did a photo shoot for FHM in a lab coat and a bikini, then went ballistic when geeky fanboys across the Internet started publicly drooling and emitting other bodily fluids over it. My reaction: tough. Grow a brain, plan ahead more than 10 seconds into the future, and don't start bitching when your own actions come back to bite you in the ass, no matter how taut it is.

84 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:39:49pm

re: #39 SixDegrees

A lot of newbie politicians on the national scene don't realize that the national press is different. When you explain yourself to the national press, it isn't the end of the discussion, but the beginning.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

You misogynist pig! She is a serious political figure! Legs have NOTHING to do with it!!!1!

/off to find some rope...

I don't know. Her supporters keep bringing up her looks as a plus.

86 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:40:16pm

re: #77 Obdicut

No, I don't. However, since that race came down the way it did, it would take the Democrats being more principled than the Republicans for them to seat him. Or they'd just want to seat him for the damage he'd do to 'conservatives'.

You really used the words "Democrats" and "principled" in the same sentence... ROTFLMAO.

87 Irenicum  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #83 SixDegrees

We demand evidence for this accusation!
/

88 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:41:14pm

re: #82 albusteve

looks to me like they forgot the helmet and pads is all


knee or shoulder? /

89 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:41:22pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

It's the context. This was supposed to be about politics, although there is an interpretation that could be made they showed her in running clothes because she's running for the nomination in 2012. I think it was a poor choice for newsweek, but agree with you she's trying to deflect from the body of newsweek's piece.

I guess I'm just not seeing it. Had Newsweek pasted a picture of her head onto someone else's body to concoct the shot, I'd be a lot more inclined to agree. But she happily posed for it, signed a release for it (obviously) and didn't raise any objections when it appeared in Runner's World. More just above.

90 brookly red  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:43:10pm

re: #81 DaddyG

There is a window of time to collect and count absentee ballots after the election day. It is almost impossible for the small number of volunteers and Secretary of State office staff to hand count ballots, and absentee ballots have to be hand counted by their nature. This is why they are often only counted when they could possibly change the outcome of the election.

I guess that does make sense...

91 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:43:35pm

re: #37 DaddyG

I gotta say that was a gotcha job. She took the photo in the running shorts for a spread in an athletic magazine not for them to use it on a serious news piece. Imagine a photo of President Obama shirtless in Hawaii used as a cover on a political piece about foreign policy. (Oh yeah...)

Or imagine if Peter Frampton had been running for office in 1976, and this cover photo had been recycled on a political mag.

92 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:43:53pm

re: #89 SixDegrees I just can't see Runners World using a shot of her in a suit from the election because "readers responded to it". Newsweek was being cute with a photo she took for another article and she's calling them on it.

93 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:44:00pm

re: #87 Irenicum

We demand evidence for this accusation!
/

Feast away.

94 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:44:42pm

re: #91 The Sanity Inspector

Or imagine if Peter Frampton had been running for office in 1976, and this cover photo had been recycled on a political mag.

Landslide among women voters age 18-81.

95 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:45:13pm

ARRRGGGHHH

I HATE batteries...I hate my digital cameras need for batteries...

Ok, there. I feel better.

96 MinisterO  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:46:02pm

re: #74 DaddyG

Nah, DaddyG, you don't have FDS. CommonCents and ralphieboy might though.

97 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:46:04pm

re: #95 webevintage

ARRRGGGHHH

I HATE batteries...I hate my digital cameras need for batteries...

Ok, there. I feel better.


Carry a piece of charcoal and learn to scetch real fast. No need for batteries ever... (Dad answer)

98 SixDegrees  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:46:28pm

re: #92 DaddyG

I just can't see Runners World using a shot of her in a suit from the election because "readers responded to it". Newsweek was being cute with a photo she took for another article and she's calling them on it.

Actually, that's the main reason for publishing any photograph in any magazine. It isn't exceptional, it's the norm. Lots and lots of photos; very limited space to print them in. Every single one of them is chosen based on maximizing reader response.

99 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:46:43pm

re: #53 Yashmak

No. Quite the reverse. He was pushing for recounts etc. etc. from almost the moment the polls closed.

Maybe, but the recount was because the spread was such a small amount and it triggered an automatic recount per state law.

100 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:48:44pm

re: #98 SixDegrees

Actually, that's the main reason for publishing any photograph in any magazine. It isn't exceptional, it's the norm. Lots and lots of photos; very limited space to print them in. Every single one of them is chosen based on maximizing reader response.

I am absolutely certain that was a truthful answer. I'm just saying it is a cynical use of her image.

Of course she just multiplied Newsweeks circulation by pointing it out on her blog. If 100 people go out and buy it based on the publicity she's raised she will have single handedly tripled their circulation for the month.

101 webevintage  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:52:31pm

And yep, stupid cover, not sure it is sexist, but not in good taste at all...

Hey I agreed, slightly with Sarah, some little corner of hell just froze over.

102 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 12:56:13pm

re: #73 brookly red

Why are these ballots not alredy counted? the election was sometime ago, something is not right here.

Please cut Acorn some slack, they have that lawsuit and just haven't had enough time to deliver the ballots.

And anyway, what's wrong with sexy?

/Nigel Tufnel

103 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:01:50pm

The fact that he announced this on Beck is really telling to me. If the election results were overturned which is doubtful, I would think that Hoffman would become like Steve King or Michelle Bachmann in the House. Someone who cares more about riling up the base than actually doing the job of a Congressman.

104 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:37:54pm

must have been said elsewhere - but Hoffman was quite a late entrant - and most of the absentee ballots would have been made out in advance for owens or scozzafava...

how can he pull this one out??? eeejit.

105 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:57:12pm

'Unconceding ' is a time-honored tradition, from Al Gore to Al Franken. Having no dog in this hunt, I still hope Scozzawhatshername's treachery fails in the end.

106 tradewind  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:59:02pm

re: #100 DaddyG
Their circulation and her exposure.

107 katemaclaren  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 2:02:06pm

I hope he does pull it out. It might be a first. The usual is: Recount--and voila--Dem wins.

108 Bill Jefferson  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 2:10:34pm

Charles said:

The article I linked points out that a "concession" is legally meaningless. If they did count up the votes and discover that Hoffman scored an upset, Owens would be outta there.

Exactly; votes count, not concessions. But the movement towards Hoffman came so late in the race that any absentee ballot lead would be a surprise. As to getting the three thousand needed,

It's unlikely though.

Which was why this was an unwise move even for a political newbie. Better to simply say he wanted to see all votes counted.

109 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #105 tradewind

yes - because - ofcourse she was the first registered Republican to change horses in the races.

///

110 katemaclaren  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 2:24:46pm

re: #66 _RememberTonyC

Boy, do I agree with you. Next they'll be doing the Sarah head on naked Brittany Spears body--or Roseanne's.--or close ups of cellulite. Even if some don't like her as a politician--surely, they can't help but see what a mean-- incredibly--mean, spiteful group of hateful, bitchy harpies out there.

111 doubter4444  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 3:34:02pm

re: #44 WindUpBird

Or more likely, he knows he's going to lose, and a Glennsey Becksey stunt will raise his profile as a martyr for the Tea Time Tots? Hoffman will almost certainly lose, but he might not just disappear.

Right, why not say what Lawhawk said, that it'd be very, very strange to have the outcome of the election changed by the absentee ballots and leave it at that, and sound gracious... Oh. I answered my own question.

These guys don't wan to be gracious, they want confrontation.
Graciousness is an elite thing, I guess.

112 fizzlogic  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 3:41:33pm

There was a time when the Right used to hold up Nixon as the great statesman who conceded the election of 1960 to save the country from going through the mess of a disputed election. Rush Limbaugh used that as a dig against the Gore team during the disputed FL count in 2000. Now, taking the country through these disputes has become a right of passage for conservatives. How things have changed.

113 palomino  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 4:40:07pm

re: #107 katemaclaren

I hope he does pull it out. It might be a first. The usual is: Recount--and voila--Dem wins.

The usual? Like Al Gore in 2000? There's really no evidence that one side wins recounts, or cheats, more often than the other.

114 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 4:45:41pm

re: #113 palomino

ding ding ding

115 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 4:50:14pm

re: #107 katemaclaren

hand counted, hand written paper ballots... provides the fairest result pretty much everytime.

Worst races are where there are not enough machines or they are confusing or there is no paper trail.

A ballot paper for everyone, a pencil in a booth and enough polling places run by independent civic minded people ... and - mazeltov - it's a democracy.

116 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 5:35:31pm

Going on the trend of the absentee ballots, Hoffman might well be the true winner. Going on form, once enough new ballot boxes are found to counter that, Al Franken style, there's no way the official count will tip Hoffman's way.

117 irving  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 7:36:37pm

Al Franken is at least an interesting Senator - he's deliberately trying to be more sober a public figure than when he was a comedian. When I've seen him asking questions on the Senate floor, he tends to be focused, sharp, and (amazingly for any politician) pretty short and to the point. When he stands for reelection, it'll almost certainly be for his positions and not corruption or bizarre personal behavior. If A Republican wins the state based on those merits, then it's a good day for democracy. We can't ask for more.

Besides, he can pull off a really cool parlor trick - he can draw an accurate freehand map of the entire United States, starting with Minnesota. Granted, this isn't grounds for a Senate seat. But it is pretty cool.

118 Ian MacGregor  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 8:20:37pm

re: #28 Charles

The House can seat whom it wants. Thee have been instances where it has seated someone other than the winner as declared by the state secretary of state in close elections. I also think it unlikely that the absentee votes will make the difference, but also didn't think that Franken had a chance.

119 Ian MacGregor  Tue, Nov 17, 2009 8:26:29pm

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

One of the best concessions ever.

The people have spoken. -- The bastards !

Richard Tuck


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