Far right New York congressional candidate Doug Hoffman has posted a wacky, paranoid “unconcession” letter at his website; he accuses ACORN and “the unions” of “tampering with democracy,” and the file name of the web page is “stolenelection.html.” Wow. Stop Another Stolen Election!
(Hat tip: Dave Weigel, who points out that ACORN actually had no volunteers in Hoffman’s district.)
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:33:00am |
Please donate now to help me ensure every vote is counted!
Shocker.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:38:17am |
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checked08 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:41:03am |
Liberal Boogeyman is out to get YOU.
/
Crying wolf like this is starting to get really bad.
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bosforus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:41:47am |
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Bob Levin Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:42:31am |
Well, you either blame someone else or admit your entire approach to politics is flawed from the get go. I wonder which option a politician or would be politician will opt for? A real brain twister this is.
//
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Liberally Conservative Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:43:58am |
I read the press release, and got two "bingo"s on my Conservative Buzzword bingo card.
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drcordell Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:44:31am |
Just saw this gem on TPM a few minutes ago. I must say I am disappointed, but certainly not surprised...
Majority of Republicans think ACORN stole Obama the 2008 election
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:45:03am |
ACORN's amazing maleveolence reminds me of this:
Goodtimes will re-write your hard drive. Not only that, but
it will scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. It
will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice
cream goes melty. It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit
cards, screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field
harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play.
It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It
will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and
leave its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming
over. It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit
pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.
Goodtimes will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will
give you nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your
gas tank and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your
girlfriend behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to
your Discover card.
It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she
is dead, such is the power of Goodtimes, it reaches out beyond the
grave to sully those things we hold most dear.
It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't
find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on
your boss's voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It
is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather
interesting shade of mauve.
Goodtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the
toilet seat up. It will make a batch of Methanphedime in your bathtub
and then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase
gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.
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Hengineer Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:45:21am |
re: #15 drcordell
Just saw this gem on TPM a few minutes ago. I must say I am disappointed, but certainly not surprised...
Majority of Republicans think ACORN stole Obama the 2008 election
ooh ooh I wanna sign the petition!
///
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:45:31am |
He's also claiming that Pelosi was behind the stolen election...
Owens in Office Illegally?
Without a clear winner in the election and with considerably more outstanding absentee ballots than the spread between the candidates, the NY Board could not and did not certify the result of the election. The House, however, moved forward with the induction of its newest member regardless. They did so, presumably on the order of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who had declared on the previous day that "Tuesday night, we won two more votes for health care." with apparent disregard for the fact that the election is not over yet.
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:46:52am |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
He's also claiming that Pelosi was behind the stolen election...
Owens in Office Illegally?
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform.
Wait till he's in office to pin paranoia onto the party's platform.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:48:06am |
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Dynomite Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:48:14am |
(Hat tip: Dave Weigel, who points out that ACORN actually had no volunteers in Hoffman’s district.)
Never let the truth get in the way of a good bout of hysterics
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badger1970 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:48:22am |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
All part of the right wing conspiracy. Oh wait, that was last decade. //
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drcordell Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:48:23am |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
link busted.
Yeah its extremely odd. The link works fine if I copy paste the URL into the browser window, but when I put that exact same link in the LGF post, it busts. Can't figure it out.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:48:31am |
re: #22 drcordell
Among Republicans, however, only 27% say Obama actually won the race, with 52% -- an outright majority -- saying that ACORN stole it, and 21% are undecided.
Ugh, that's embarrassing.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:48:49am |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
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Liberally Conservative Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:48:56am |
re: #15 drcordell
Just saw this gem on TPM a few minutes ago. I must say I am disappointed, but certainly not surprised...
Majority of Republicans think ACORN stole Obama the 2008 election
ACORN fabricated millions and millions of votes over a dozen states, spread out in a way so that they do not go over the registered voter totals in any county, and done so cleverly and insidiously that none of the thousands of government officials (R or D) noticed.
An obvious application of Occam's Razor.
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drcordell Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:49:58am |
re: #29 Liberally Conservative
ACORN fabricated millions and millions of votes over a dozen states, spread out in a way so that they do not go over the registered voter totals in any county, and done so cleverly and insidiously that none of the thousands of government officials (R or D) noticed.
An obvious application of Occam's Razor.
Easy as pie!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:50:08am |
re: #29 Liberally Conservative
ACORN fabricated millions and millions of votes over a dozen states, spread out in a way so that they do not go over the registered voter totals in any county, and done so cleverly and insidiously that none of the thousands of government officials (R or D) noticed.
An obvious application of Occam's Razor.
The Dems and the RINOs were in on it together, and the Twoo Conservatives could do nothing. It was terrible.
//
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:50:12am |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
It's not a conspiracy.
He WAS sworn in before the elections were certified by the NY Election Board.
It changes nothing, because nothing will happen over it.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:51:50am |
re: #15 drcordell
Just saw this gem on TPM a few minutes ago. I must say I am disappointed, but certainly not surprised...
Majority of Republicans think ACORN stole Obama the 2008 election
Just for the fun of it...
"In other words, these Republicans used their enormous power to steal the Presidency of the United States. Indeed, the untold story of Floridagate is as chilling as Watergate."
[Link: archive.democrats.com...]
Tu Touque arguments are such a waste of time, but I can play along with Dr. Cordell.
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Izzy Dunne Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:52:52am |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember the GOOD TIMES virus. That was nasty. Especially the penguin part.
I mean, having one penguin as a lover is OK, but it's all their friends and relations that move in that make it a problem.
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webevintage Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:53:23am |
re: #29 Liberally Conservative
ACORN fabricated millions and millions of votes over a dozen states, spread out in a way so that they do not go over the registered voter totals in any county, and done so cleverly and insidiously that none of the thousands of government officials (R or D) noticed.
.
ACORNS is tricksy...
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:55:37am |
ACORN didn't steal the election.
Stupidity did.
Prove me wrong.
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bornamerican Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:56:47am |
Well, the "wolf" fable actually had a wolf in it. But we all know the benelovent ACORN organization is above all that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:56:58am |
re: #33 Walter L. Newton
Just for the fun of it...
"In other words, these Republicans used their enormous power to steal the Presidency of the United States. Indeed, the untold story of Floridagate is as chilling as Watergate."
[Link: archive.democrats.com...]
Tu Touque arguments are such a waste of time, but I can play along with Dr. Cordell.
That's still a rather more rational conspiracy theory, IMHO. One state, an actual dispute, you know...
That said, do you think this inability among a section of the American voting public to accept that the other guy won an election is a positive development?
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Liberally Conservative Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:57:04am |
re: #33 Walter L. Newton
Just for the fun of it...
"In other words, these Republicans used their enormous power to steal the Presidency of the United States. Indeed, the untold story of Floridagate is as chilling as Watergate."
[Link: archive.democrats.com...]
Tu Touque arguments are such a waste of time, but I can play along with Dr. Cordell.
You're comparing a post from "democrats.com" to a poll done by an established polling organization. Also, believing that several hundred votes were stolen is paranoid. Believing that several million were stolen is completely ridiculous.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:58:38am |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform
Hoffman wasn't the paty backed "republican" in this race, or did you forget/ omit that?
just sayin!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:59:48am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:59:57am |
re: #40 sattv4u2
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform
Hoffman wasn't the
patyPARTY
backed "republican" in this race, or did you forget/ omit that?just sayin!
pimf
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:00:18am |
re: #40 sattv4u2
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform
Hoffman wasn't the paty backed "republican" in this race, or did you forget/ omit that?
just sayin!
No, he's clearly the heavy in this story, so he's obviously the republican.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:00:42am |
re: #40 sattv4u2
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform
Hoffman wasn't the paty backed "republican" in this race, or did you forget/ omit that?
just sayin!
It don't matter, it's all silly Republicans all the time, little facts don't need to get in the way.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:01:45am |
re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist
That said, do you think this inability among a section of the American voting public to accept that the other guy won an election is a positive development?
re: #44 Walter L. Newton
It don't matter, it's all silly Republicans all the time, little facts don't need to get in the way.
//
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Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:02:32am |
The only acorns in his district go to feed the pigs.
As for "the unions" - yes, the very mention of the word sends wingnuts scurrying to lock and load. Evil, evil laborers. Workers who dare to organize.
Comnists, evar' one o' them.
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jvic Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:03:04am |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
He's also claiming that Pelosi was behind the stolen election...Owens in Office Illegally?Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform.
If I were an independent or center-right voter in NY-23, Hoffman's behavior would tick me off.
IMO his antics might provoke a backlash that keeps the seat Democratic in 2010.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:04:37am |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
He's also claiming that Pelosi was behind the stolen election...
Owens in Office Illegally?
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform.
Uh - Hoffman isn't a Republican.
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maryatexitzero Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:04:51am |
I don't see any links to proof that this election was stolen, but I did count three links requesting cold hard cash with no guarantee of anything substantial in return. Not a good sign.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:04:54am |
re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist
That's still a rather more rational conspiracy theory, IMHO. One state, an actual dispute, you know...
That said, do you think this inability among a section of the American voting public to accept that the other guy won an election is a positive development?
I don't think it's a recent developement. Neither side trusts the other nowadays and it's sad. If a repub wins, it's because of voter suppression and rigged machines (ones run by repub contributor comapnies). If a dem wins it's because of dead people voting and union/ACORN/ ect intimidation and shenanigans.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:05:19am |
re: #48 SixDegrees
Uh - Hoffman isn't a Republican.
Yes he is. He's paranoid, mobbed up with disreputable folk, and does not meet with KGT's approval. What else could he be?
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rollwave87 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:05:35am |
multiple choice question for sarah palin: which of the following are you most proud of?
A: coming out and endorsing this nut job Hoffman to represent a district in Congress you've likely never even been to your whole life
B: coming out and endorsing Carrie Prejean, who, in additon to being a complete moron (which any sane person would've known from the jump when she opened her mouth), now is the star of multiple sex tapes much more explicit than the Playgirl shoot Levi Johnston did which you dubbed "porn" on Oprah
C: coming out with your first book, and having it co-authored by a far-right associate of a white supremecist
d: you're equally proud of all of the above
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:05:44am |
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rollwave87 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:08:08am |
re: #51 Guanxi88
Yes he is. He's paranoid, mobbed up with disreputable folk, and does not meet with KGT's approval. What else could he be?
a conservative
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:08:52am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:09:51am |
Attn; Ankle biting squabblers
I never said Hoffman was a Republican.
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Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:09:57am |
Seems as though Doug Hoffman is going out of his way to prove that he is an unstable candidate given that there were no ACORN volunteers involved in this election. Even if there were these allegations would require an official complaint through official channels and not based on an accusatory blog rant as Mr. Hoffman has done.
He ends with the phrase "Obama Regime." This reminds me of the anti-Bush crazies of previous years that were always calling the Bush presidency a regime. This displays at least a common link with the Paulians.
Given this behavior and, which I assume will expand in the coming months, there is no doubt in my mind that Hoffman will be uncompetitive in the coming regular congressional election which takes place in less than a year. In the mean time, I hope that the people of the 23rd district in New York are informed of Mr. Hoffman eccentricities.
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abolitionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:10:09am |
What does did ACORN have to say about all this?
OBAMA'S ACORN EXPOSED PART 1 OF 2
OBAMA'S ACORN EXPOSED PART 2 OF 2
This pair of videos is clearly anti-Obama, put together during the campaign. What makes it especially interesting is that most of the content is actual footage of ACORN leadership and significant supporters speaking at a convention.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:12:15am |
I thought the general expectation was that if Hoffman won he'd run as a Republican in 2010.
Am I mistaken?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:12:40am |
re: #61 Killgore Trout
Attn; Ankle biting squabblers
I never said Hoffman was a Republican.
Attn.
We're talking about Hoffman and conspiricies.
YOU post these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform.
YOU do the math!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:13:44am |
re: #61 Killgore Trout
Attn; Ankle biting squabblers
I never said Hoffman was a Republican.
True, but you did note with regret that his paranoia was becoming a plank in the Republican party platform. I suggested you should wait until the man's in office before reading anything into it. Others pointed out the incongruity of suggesting that he was upholding a plank of a party to which he does not belong as a candidate, and which did not endorse him.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:13:47am |
re: #32 Ben Hur
It's not a conspiracy.
He WAS sworn in before the elections were certified by the NY Election Board.
It changes nothing, because nothing will happen over it.
"Article I, section 5 of the Constitution states that each House shall be the judge of its own elections, returns, and Member qualifications. Section 4 permits Congress to make laws to alter state regulations concerning elections. As a result, the House or Senate have final authority to decide a contested election, superseding even a state legislature or court. Court cases have held that House decisions of contested elections cannot be brought to the courts on appeal, even to the Supreme Court, and even if they are political in nature."
In other words, it's my understanding (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), waiting for certification is a courtesy. In the case of NY23, Hoffman had CONCEDED, therefor there was no reason to wait for certification.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:13:50am |
My original "outrageous" statement...
Unfortunately these paranoid conspiracies are becoming an integral part of the Republican platform.
If these conspiracies and nutty behavior were confined to fringe far right parties it wouldn't be a problem. The fact that this paranoia is rampant among Republicans makes it a serious liability.
/I'm not going to squabble over nonesense and strawmen from delusional idiots
//done
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:14:04am |
ACORN had no volunteers? Well, that just proves the point all the more.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:14:42am |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
My original "outrageous" statement...
If these conspiracies and nutty behavior were confined to fringe far right parties it wouldn't be a problem. The fact that this paranoia is rampant among Republicans makes it a serious liability.
/I'm not going to squabble over nonesense and strawmen from delusional idiots
//done
DIEBOLD!
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:15:20am |
re: #61 Killgore Trout
Attn; Ankle biting squabblers
I never said Hoffman was a Republican.
No; you just published a link and excerpt from Hoffman's website, followed by a comment tying it directly to what you claim is an "integral part of the republican platform."
It is, in fact, quite similar to running the wrong video clip during a newscast...
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filetandrelease Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:15:44am |
re: #69 Jeff In Ohio
In NY, if the recount shows Hoffman the victor, he goes to Washington.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:16:08am |
re: #73 SixDegrees
No; you just published a link and excerpt from Hoffman's website, followed by a comment tying it directly to what you claim is an "integral part of the republican platform."
It is, in fact, quite similar to running the wrong video clip during a newscast...
You're just a "delusional idiot"
//KToff
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:16:14am |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
My original "outrageous" statement...
If these conspiracies and nutty behavior were confined to fringe far right parties it wouldn't be a problem. The fact that this paranoia is rampant among Republicans makes it a serious liability.
/I'm not going to squabble over nonesense and strawmen from delusional idiots
//done
Is it much harder to steer when you're pedaling backward, or is it about the same as forward?
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Spider Mensch Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:16:45am |
lets play semantics..I'll go first! I never said what I insinuated..insinuation and actually saying something are two different things, so I win! now it's your turn, prove me wrong, but it doesn't make a difference because I don't want to play anymore anyhow. so another win for me!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:16:50am |
re: #76 SixDegrees
Is it much harder to steer when you're pedaling backward, or is it about the same as forward?
It's the same, only different!
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rollwave87 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:17:01am |
re: #67 Gus 802
fair enough. as a very partisan Republican, I'll concede that Hoffman doesn't represent true Conservatism if you all will agree he doesn't really, in any way, represent the GOP (Party of Lincoln, as Dede S. called it).
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Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:17:04am |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
My original "outrageous" statement...
If these conspiracies and nutty behavior were confined to fringe far right parties it wouldn't be a problem. The fact that this paranoia is rampant among Republicans makes it a serious liability.
/I'm not going to squabble over nonesense and strawmen from delusional idiots
//done
Yeah, odd isn't it? I mean, who went out of their way to endorse Hoffman during the final weeks of the election? Let's see, Michael Steele, Rudy Giuliani, George Pataki, Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, Sarah Palin, et al.
Yep, he's not Republican. But he sure got a great deal of Republican endorsements.
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Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:18:21am |
re: #79 rollwave87
fair enough. as a very partisan Republican, I'll concede that Hoffman doesn't represent true Conservatism if you all will agree he doesn't really, in any way, represent the GOP (Party of Lincoln, as Dede S. called it).
I don't think he is. He was the result of a perceived political opportunity. An example of which we will be seeing frequently in the coming years.
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rollwave87 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:18:40am |
re: #80 Gus 802
Yep, he's not Republican. But he sure got a great deal of Republican endorsements.
what he should have been getting were Republican undorsements...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:19:00am |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:19:02am |
re: #80 Gus 802
Yeah, odd isn't it? I mean, who went out of their way to endorse Hoffman during the final weeks of the election? Let's see, Michael Steele, Rudy Giuliani, George Pataki, Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, Sarah Palin, et al.
Yep, he's not Republican. But he sure got a great deal of Republican endorsements.
The good part is that even with an endorsement from Bible Spice, he lost. No acorns required.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:19:28am |
re: #73 SixDegrees
No; you just published a link and excerpt from Hoffman's website, followed by a comment tying it directly to what you claim is an "integral part of the republican platform."
It is, in fact, quite similar to running the wrong video clip during a newscast...
In a way, KT is not far off...Palin, Thompson and other GOP muckety-mucks put their support behind Hoffman, not Dede (the NYS GOP's candidate). Even Michael Steele withdrew the RNC's support from Dede in favor of Hoffman by election night, IIRC.
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Merryweather Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:19:44am |
Given that Hoffman's got out the old begging bowl now, I wonder if it'll ever occur to the tea partying masses that their political heroes - Palin, Armey, Hoffman et al - are exploiting them for money? I'm more and more convinced that these people don't actually care about implementing their extremist positions, it's all about making a fast buck for them.
At least a lot of the people who go a-teabaggin' are genuinely standing up for what they believe in (I'm discounting the racist, Holocaust imagery-bearing lunatics here).
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:19:59am |
re: #74 filetandrelease
In NY, if the recount shows Hoffman the victor, he goes to Washington.
I don't doubt and have faith that he would be eventually seated, but because Owens has been seated, the process is a bit more complex and cumbersome if the seat is then contested by Owens.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:20:05am |
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Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:20:12am |
re: #85 Cato the Elder
The good part is that even with an endorsement from Bible Spice, he lost. No acorns required.
According to theory he should have won by a landslide then. After all, Palin is the next Reagan!
(cough)
/
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:20:15am |
re: #86 talon_262
In a way, KT is not far off...Palin, Thompson and other GOP muckety-mucks put their support behind Hoffman, not Dede (the NYS GOP's candidate). Even Michael Steele withdrew the RNC's support from Dede in favor of Hoffman by election night, IIRC.
In another way, though, he is. Off, that is.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:21:11am |
re: #90 MandyManners
Were the tires properly inflated?
Yes. But I don't care about the bike, really. It was the 60 QT. cooler I had tied to it that stings.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:21:37am |
re: #86 talon_262
In a way, KT is not far off...Palin, Thompson and other GOP muckety-mucks put their support behind Hoffman, not Dede (the NYS GOP's candidate). Even Michael Steele withdrew the RNC's support from Dede in favor of Hoffman by election night, IIRC.
Just because he has support from other Republicans, he is still free to act like an idiot, and that does not mean that all of his supporters go along with these stupid turn of events.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:21:46am |
re: #53 rollwave87
multiple choice question for sarah palin: which of the following are you most proud of?
A: coming out and endorsing this nut job Hoffman to represent a district in Congress you've likely never even been to your whole life
B: coming out and endorsing Carrie Prejean, who, in additon to being a complete moron (which any sane person would've known from the jump when she opened her mouth), now is the star of multiple sex tapes much more explicit than the Playgirl shoot Levi Johnston did which you dubbed "porn" on Oprah
C: coming out with your first book, and having it co-authored by a far-right associate of a white supremecist
d: you're equally proud of all of the above
Didn't know about the Prejean thing. Man, she's been busy.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:21:55am |
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Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:21:56am |
re: #83 rollwave87
what he should have been getting were Republican undorsements...
They should have done so. Not going to happen. They're going to ride the tea party wave for all that it is worth. This under the leadership of Dick Armey.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:22:35am |
re: #86 talon_262
In a way, KT is not far off...Palin, Thompson and other GOP muckety-mucks put their support behind Hoffman, not Dede (the NYS GOP's candidate). Even Michael Steele withdrew the RNC's support from Dede in favor of Hoffman by election night, IIRC.
"support" for Hoffman was only given AFTER the Republican pulled out. I;m sure Steele would have prefered Hoffman in the seat as opposed to the Dem, much like Reid prefered Leiberman in the Conn Senate seat instead of the Repub candidate
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:23:19am |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
ACORN stole my bike.:(
/
ACORN steals my students' homework, and feeds it to stray dogs.
/
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lawhawk Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:24:58am |
In other Palin news, she's announced that the profits from her book will go to help the families affected by the Fort Hood massacre. Good for her.
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Merryweather Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:25:16am |
re: #90 MandyManners
Were the tires properly inflated?
Nope, as they'd previously been slashed by a broken bottle planted by ACORN operatives.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:25:23am |
re: #86 talon_262
In a way, KT is not far off...Palin, Thompson and other GOP muckety-mucks put their support behind Hoffman, not Dede (the NYS GOP's candidate). Even Michael Steele withdrew the RNC's support from Dede in favor of Hoffman by election night, IIRC.
Actually, Steele backed Scozzofava throughout the campaign, and only backed Hoffman once the Republican candidate had withdrawn from the race. Sort of. What Steele actually offered was tepid support, at best.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:26:20am |
re: #100 lawhawk
In other Palin news, she's announced that the profits from her book will go to help the families affected by the Fort Hood massacre. Good for her.
Wait for the complaints that
"She just knows the book won;t sell much and she gets to keeo the bog money anyway, on the advance and speaking engagements to promote it!"
| 104 |
MandyManners Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:26:26am |
re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. But I don't care about the bike, really. It was the 60 QT. cooler I had tied to it that stings.
How the heck did you steer that thing?
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:01am |
re: #100 lawhawk
In other Palin news, she's announced that the profits from her book will go to help the families affected by the Fort Hood massacre. Good for her.
Indeed it is.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:07am |
re: #98 sattv4u2
"support" for Hoffman was only given AFTER the Republican pulled out. I;m sure Steele would have prefered Hoffman in the seat as opposed to the Dem, much like Reid prefered Leiberman in the Conn Senate seat instead of the Repub candidate
Bull. I don't know when Steele endorse Hoffman, but Scozzafava pulled out because people like Army Dick and Caribou Barbie were supporting Hoffman and denouncing her as a RINO and worse.
It was a lovely picture of the GOP eating its own entrails, and it cost them a safe seat.
| 107 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:14am |
re: #102 SixDegrees
Actually, Steele backed Scozzofava throughout the campaign, and only backed Hoffman once the Republican candidate had withdrawn from the race. Sort of. What Steele actually offered was tepid support, at best.
You did it again (#98)
Mist have something to do with today being MY BIRTHDAY!
| 108 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:18am |
re: #104 MandyManners
How the heck did you steer that thing?
Actually, it was a stationary bike. Gotta keep fit!!
/
| 109 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:34am |
OH , and did I mention
Today is my BIRTHDAY!
| 110 |
rollwave87 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:38am |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
Didn't know about the Prejean thing. Man, she's been busy.
yeah, she came out in support of Prejean at the time of the pageant incident, and then reiterated her support in that 'interview' with National Review that LGF posted yesterday.
yes, ive been defending Sarah Palin, and yes, I think its moronic to call her Bible Spice (ie: to attack her religious beliefs and appearance in a sexist, degrading manner), but that interview yesterday really pushed me over the edge
| 111 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:57am |
re: #85 Cato the Elder
The good part is that even with an endorsement from Bible Spice, he lost. No acorns required.
NY-23 had been happily voting for moderate Republicans for some time. Then their candidate got jacked up. I think only out-of-towners could have imagined they would respond to this by voting for Hoffman.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:27:59am |
re: #101 Merryweather
Nope, as they'd previously been slashed by a broken bottle planted by ACORN operatives.
Oh, good one.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:28:00am |
re: #107 sattv4u2
You did it again (#98)
Mist have something to do with today being MY BIRTHDAY!
Yeah, yeah - that's it!
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RogueOne Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:28:01am |
re: #46 Cato the Elder
The only acorns in his district go to feed the pigs.
As for "the unions" - yes, the very mention of the word sends wingnuts scurrying to lock and load. Evil, evil laborers. Workers who dare to organize.
Comnists, evar' one o' them.
Yeah, can't imagine how unions got such a bad name.
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Nick Balzano, president of the local Service Employees International Union, told Allentown City Council Tuesday that the union is considering filing a grievance against the city for allowing Anderson to clear a 1,000-foot walking and biking path at Kimmets Lock Park.
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| 115 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:28:28am |
re: #109 sattv4u2
OH , and did I mention
Today is my BIRTHDAY!
You've been off work for 2 hours. How many birthday drinks you got in ya?
/
| 116 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:28:55am |
re: #100 lawhawk
In other Palin news, she's announced that the profits from her book will go to help the families affected by the Fort Hood massacre. Good for her.
Hmm. That must mean she's not expecting any profits.
You're welcome, sattv4u2.
| 117 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:29:00am |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
Bull. I don't know when Steele endorse Hoffman, but Scozzafava pulled out because people like Army Dick and Caribou Barbie were supporting Hoffman and denouncing her as a RINO and worse.
It was a lovely picture of the GOP eating its own entrails, and it cost them a safe seat.
ummm, Dede was running WAY behind the dem when she pulled out
She had 25% (+/- a percent or two) two weeks before election day
| 118 |
SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:29:27am |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
Bull. I don't know when Steele endorse Hoffman, but Scozzafava pulled out because people like Army Dick and Caribou Barbie were supporting Hoffman and denouncing her as a RINO and worse.
It was a lovely picture of the GOP eating its own entrails, and it cost them a safe seat.
Try to keep up here - the issue isn't whether some Republicans supported Hoffman; it's whether the Republican Party supported him. It's clear that it didn't, until it's own candidate left the race.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:29:51am |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
Bull. I don't know when Steele endorse Hoffman, but Scozzafava pulled out because people like Army Dick and Caribou Barbie were supporting Hoffman and denouncing her as a RINO and worse.
It was a lovely picture of the GOP eating its own entrails, and it cost them a safe seat.
I'll not be a smarmy bitch by pointing out your typo and calling it bad spelling or bad grammar.
| 120 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:29:52am |
re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar
You've been off work for 2 hours. How many birthday drinks you got in ya?
/
elevnty!
| 121 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:30:05am |
re: #103 sattv4u2
Wait for the complaints that
"She just knows the book won;t sell much and she gets to keeo the bog money anyway, on the advance and speaking engagements to promote it!"
Probably all true, but it's a generous and gracious gesture on her part, and the money will go to good use.
| 122 |
albusteve Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:30:43am |
Palin Palon no lie
oh no baby
me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
Palin Palin no lie
oooh baby
Me gotta go now
yeah yeah yeah yeah
| 123 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:31:16am |
re: #119 MandyManners
I'll not be a smarmy bitch by pointing out your typo and calling it bad spelling or bad grammar.
You just did. And I just updinged it for you, smarmy Mandy.
| 124 |
recusancy Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:31:46am |
re: #100 lawhawk
In other Palin news, she's announced that the profits from her book will go to help the families affected by the Fort Hood massacre. Good for her.
"I'm joining the efforts of many others by donating my royalties from the book sales during our stop at Fort Hood to the families of the victims whose lives have been forever changed by the tragic events of November 5th"
| 125 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:32:12am |
re: #114 RogueOne
Now I'll post some horror stories about union busting, and we can go on like this for some time...
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webevintage Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:32:42am |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
Didn't know about the Prejean thing. Man, she's been busy.
She just might be one of my all time favorite evangelical hypocrites evah!
I do feel a bit sorry for Carrie, she had gotten her spot on the evangelical-love offering gravy train and was fixed for years of income and now not so much.
Of course she can still pull it off if she can figure out a way to blame ACORN and Obama along with teh!ghays she might end up being redeemed.
| 127 |
Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:33:23am |
Sorry but here is part of the official filing with the Federal Election Commision:
Candidate Details
From: 01/01/2009 To: 10/14/2009
CANDIDATE INFORMATION
HOFFMAN, DOUGLAS L H0NY23107
Office: HOUSE
Party: REPUBLICAN PARTY Election: 2010
State: NEW YORK District: 23
| 128 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:33:52am |
re: #100 lawhawk
re: #124 recusancy
"I'm joining the efforts of many others by donating my royalties from the book sales during our stop at Fort Hood to the families of the victims whose lives have been forever changed by the tragic events of November 5th"
LAWHAWK
See ,, that didn;t take too long , did it!!
| 129 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:34:36am |
re: #100 lawhawk
In other Palin news, she's announced that the profits from her book will go to help the families affected by the Fort Hood massacre. Good for her.
It's no wonder she would do it. It's a Republican tactic, to support people like that at Ft. Hood. What about supporting the poor victim, Major Hasan?
//
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Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:35:14am |
re: #126 webevintage
I do feel a bit sorry for Carrie, she had gotten her spot on the evangelical-love offering gravy train and was fixed for years of income and now not so much.
Well, you know, the devil has ways to force you into getting a boob job and starring in sex tapes. He's just that evil.
| 131 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:35:34am |
re: #126 webevintage
She just might be one of my all time favorite evangelical hypocrites evah!
I do feel a bit sorry for Carrie, she had gotten her spot on the evangelical-love offering gravy train and was fixed for years of income and now not so much.
Of course she can still pull it off if she can figure out a way to blame ACORN and Obama along with teh!ghays she might end up being redeemed.
I'm quite sure that ACORN, Obama and teh gheys did not make her make sex tapes.
I don't understand evangelical cultural behavior on a gut level, however, so maybe they'll figure out a way to get through this and still love her.
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avanti Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:36:29am |
The American Family organization has been boycotting several retailers for not mentioning Christmas in their ad's, among them, the Gap. I sense that the Gap does not appear to be concerned about having many evangelicals as customers, because here's a ad they released as a reply that does in fact mention Christmas.
| 133 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:36:40am |
re: #124 recusancy
"I'm joining the efforts of many others by donating my royalties from the book sales during our stop at Fort Hood to the families of the victims whose lives have been forever changed by the tragic events of November 5th"
Ah. I knew there was a catch. "During our stop at Fort Hood." That should come to a whopping several hundred dollars.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:37:49am |
re: #133 Cato the Elder
Ah. I knew there was a catch. "During our stop at Fort Hood." That should come to a whopping several hundred dollars.
As opposed to the billions that Dem authors are donating!
oh ,, wait ,, damn!
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recusancy Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:37:51am |
re: #133 Cato the Elder
Ah. I knew there was a catch. "During our stop at Fort Hood." That should come to a whopping several hundred dollars.
You give me money and I'll give you some of it back. Look at me being so gracious.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:39:47am |
re: #135 recusancy
You give me money and I'll give you some of it back. Look at me being so gracious.
You talking about Palin, or the Government?!?
Difference is, only one of them can FORCE the money out of you!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:40:30am |
| 138 |
charlesincharge Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:41:17am |
| 139 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:42:10am |
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:42:33am |
re: #127 Gus 802
CANDIDATE INFORMATION
HOFFMAN, DOUGLAS L H0NY23107
Office: HOUSE
Party: REPUBLICAN PARTY Election: 2010
State: NEW YORK District: 23
HAHA! That's for 2010. He didn't run as a Republican in 2009, did he? HAHA!
| 142 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:43:22am |
re: #141 Cato the Elder
Happy birthday, Sat!
Thanks Cato (catch you on the rebound tomorrow, right??)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:43:39am |
re: #140 MinisterO
HAHA! That's for 2010. He didn't run as a Republican in 2009, did he? HAHA!
ssshhh
details details!
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Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:44:06am |
re: #140 MinisterO
HAHA! That's for 2010. He didn't run as a Republican in 2009, did he? HAHA!
The dates are noted as "From: 01/01/2009 To: 10/14/2009."
Regardless, most of this is about public perception. It's also about endorsements and that's how the public will view this.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:48:43am |
| 146 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:49:16am |
re: #144 Gus 802
The dates are noted as "From: 01/01/2009 To: 10/14/2009."
Regardless, most of this is about public perception. It's also about endorsements and that's how the public will view this.
The "perception" is that an unknown carpetbagger getting in the race 2 months before the election running against 2 established candidates (with the one that pulled out endorsing the other) canme within a whisker of winning
| 147 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:50:54am |
re: #145 MinisterO
re: #144 Gus 802
Of course he's a Republican. That he couldn't run as one was a technicality.
That that technicality became the foundation for a political position illustrates the absurd logical contortions people are willing to perform to win an argument.
Please see #98, ESPECIALLY the last 15 words
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Hengineer Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:51:59am |
re: #17 Hengineer
ooh ooh I wanna sign the petition!
///
negative? do you people think I was serious?
| 149 |
ohpleaseno Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:52:12am |
Lose election, claim voter fraud, wash, rinse, repeat.
| 150 |
MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:56:37am |
| 151 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:57:57am |
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:59:10am |
re: #148 Hengineer
negative? do you people think I was serious?
I imagine your stealth downdinger was offended that you weren't serious.
| 153 |
MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 12:02:05pm |
re: #151 sattv4u2
You may want to see the follow ups from Six Degrees and myself, amongst others!
Oh I get it. The technicality is your case.
| 154 |
Gus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 12:07:14pm |
re: #146 sattv4u2
The "perception" is that an unknown carpetbagger getting in the race 2 months before the election running against 2 established candidates (with the one that pulled out endorsing the other) canme within a whisker of winning
My point about perception is regarding Hoffman and his behavior with this matter and using phrases like "Obama regime." This is not the way a serious political candidate would or should act especially given that the regular election is within a year.
Given his identification as a Republican with the Federal Election Commission and the perception by the public as a conservative which the public easily confuses with Republicans (whether we like it or not) he becomes a political liability IMO.
That's the subtext of this article and the one by Weigel. Republicans will only lose votes on the national level and suffer their reputation by even tacitly endorsing or associating with an unknown candidate running around exclaiming "they stole the election" and "Obama regime" a la Code Pink.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 19, 2009 12:23:55pm |
I hear if you say ACORN's name three times in front of a mirror, the president of ACORN will come to your house and eat your soul. Seriously, this guy Hoffman is a whiner. Pretty pathetic to concede an election then start claiming it was stolen.
| 156 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 12:45:08pm |
fight those liberal lies and deceit with more lies and deceit! it's the conservative way!
| 158 |
tradewind Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:00:59pm |
re: #155 HappyWarrior
Yeah. Who would do that?
Oh, Al Gore... right...
| 160 |
Kruk Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:01:11pm |
re: #155 HappyWarrior
And never, ever, look at an ACORN in the mirror after midnight. Seriously, dude.
The problem with this rash of stolen election claims is that soon, no-one will accept any election result as legitimate. Everyone will pour their efforts into whipping up hate and causing trouble for the people who won, rather than accepting that the people have spoken and getting ready for the next election.
| 161 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:40:19pm |
OK Everyone -
ACORN, the successor in interest of the National Welfare Rights Organization, is an "INTEREST GROUP" - and Water is Wet - like "DUH!" they are US Citizens with Constitutional Rights of free speech, petition, etc.
Question IS - have they, as individuals or as an organization broken any
laws?
If they have - Prosecute them. That is all.
-S-
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