She got the first three letters right.

re: #1 wrenchwench

She got the first three letters right.

And it's the next country over. Just like Russia and the US.

Um, Sarah dear? 2002 called. It wants its news back.

Can't emphasize this enough: We. Dodged. A. Bullet. And again I have to ask, WTF was McCain thinking when he picked her?

if she had only done it once, i'd say its unfair to make a big deal about. but, twice in a row...cause for concern :/

Clearly she doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Iran. How stupid is she??

Hmm...I could have shrugged off the first time if it was the only time and, maybe, quickly followed by a, "'Scuse, me, Iran." But TWICE? Notice Hannity didn't call her on it?

I have always been of the opinion that Iraq should be split into three states: Kurdish, Sunni and Shia. That way, we can name the countries systematically from northeast to southwest as Iran, Irao, Irap and Iraq, no one needs to be confused ever again.

What I don't get is why the heck didn't Hannity correct her after the first blunder instead of letting her keep making the same mistake?

I thought Fox loved Palin.

Maybe she really does want to crack down on Iraq. Its the last thing anyone would expect.

///

I saw this interview, it hurt when she said it once, the second time it hurt more. If you watch it , obviously, she meant Iran. I think Sean kicked her under the table because the third time she got it right.

In an excess of tolerance, I'll say this is a simple verbal typo. It's the equivalent of "57 states". She was keeping her statements directed to Iran, and its hard-to-pronounce leader. If I were a truly evil Dem, I'd want her on the 2012 ticket.

Funny, the ad directly below this thread is for her book.

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe she really does want to crack down on Iraq. Its the last thing anyone would expect.

///

I don't think they'll put up much of a fight.

Sorry, Eye-rock sounds a lot cooler then ee-Ran.

re: #5 cliffster

Clearly she doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Iran. How stupid is she??

I don't think that is true at all.

I actually am willing to give her a pass here because I do it too in conversations...Iran, Iraq...we all have slips o' the tongue.
And I'll say it first "57 states"...

re: #3 Merryweather

Um, Sarah dear? 2002 called. It wants its news back.

Can't emphasize this enough: We. Dodged. A. Bullet. And again I have to ask, WTF was McCain thinking when he picked her?

I don't think he ever wanted her. He went along with what the GOP wanted. He wanted Leiberman.

re: #3 Merryweather

Um, Sarah dear? 2002 called. It wants its news back.

Can't emphasize this enough: We. Dodged. A. Bullet. And again I have to ask, WTF was McCain thinking when he picked her?

"Bright, shiny object. Me get woody. Other guys get woody too. Woodies = votes for me. Me pick her."

I still think this is more of a head scratcher:

re: #11 Decatur Deb

In an excess of tolerance, I'll say this is a simple verbal typo. It's the equivalent of "57 states". She was keeping her statements directed to Iran, and its hard-to-pronounce leader. If I were a truly evil Dem, I'd want her on the 2012 ticket.

Oh, I want her on the 2012 ticket. You want a culture war? We got culture war! If she's on the 2012 ticket, the Democrats can run a philodendron with a sex scandal in its past, and weak foreign policy experience, and WIN!

//but yeah, it's just a slip of the tongue. And I really want the GOP to run someone sane and gravitas-enabled, for the sake of the country.

I recall a congressman who got Obama confused with Osama. He was old.

Oh, she said Iraq more than once. Crucify her!
/

re: #15 filetandrelease

I don't think that is true at all.

No? Well then, what's the issue then?

re: #5 cliffster

Clearly she doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Iran. How stupid is she??

Well, she makes you look like a genius.

More of that "down home" foreign policy advice with that "folksy flavor."

Any comments regarding the recent surge of population to 1 billion in the "country" of Africa?

/

re: #22 cliffster

No? Well then, what's the issue then?

That is the point, there really isn't one.

I don't know about cracking down on Iraq, but I'm at least willing to rock the casbah.

OT, but here is the Senate Health Care Reform bill that Reid released yesterday.
all 2000 and something pages.
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

CBO has scored it as saving money, of course Mitch is already yelling LIARS...

re: #5 cliffster

Clearly she doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Iran. How stupid is she??

And the president thinks there are 57 states and 3 letters in the word "jobs"? Maybe that second one is Biden. Pelosi said we were losing millions of jobs a month or something like that, and played dumb when she was corrected. So what. How stupid are they? We all have brain freezes when we are nervous.

If you seriously believe she does not know the difference between Iraq and Iran, the problem is with you, not with her. Just like I know the president is aware there are 50 states. If I don't the problem is with me.

re: #28 ckb

And the president thinks there are 57 states and 3 letters in the word "jobs"? Maybe that second one is Biden. Pelosi said we were losing millions of jobs a month or something like that, and played dumb when she was corrected. So what. How stupid are they? We all have brain freezes when we are nervous.

If you seriously believe she does not know the difference between Iraq and Iran, the problem is with you, not with her. Just like I know the president is aware there are 50 states. If I don't the problem is with me.

All true, but the 57 states thing has now entered history as one of the best gaffes ever. This one is sort of boring.

re: #26 Diamond Bullet

I don't know about cracking down on Iraq, but I'm at least willing to rock the casbah.

Shareef dont like it.

re: #7 Robert O.

I have always been of the opinion that Iraq should be split into three states: Kurdish, Sunni and Shia. That way, we can name the countries systematically from northeast to southwest as Iran, Irao, Irap and Iraq, no one needs to be confused ever again.

Then Turkey would invade. They will never stand for an independent Kurdistan.

Palin's Right Palm: "Anyone seen the face around here I'm late for an appointment"

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Well, she makes you look like a genius.

I'll throw this along with all your other senseless personal attacks. I truly feel sorry for you.

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shareef dont like it.

Who's Shareef?

As if Joe Biden hasn't had a few foot-in-mouth moments.

I'll give Palin this - it's nowhere near as bad as Senator Cornyn suggesting we might need to bomb India one of these fine days, before hurriedly saying he'd really meant China. And I thought making a war with China look sane was impossible.

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Who's Shareef?

By order of the Prophet, he banded the boogey sound.

re: #28 ckb

And the president thinks there are 57 states and 3 letters in the word "jobs"? Maybe that second one is Biden. Pelosi said we were losing millions of jobs a month or something like that, and played dumb when she was corrected. So what. How stupid are they? We all have brain freezes when we are nervous.

If you seriously believe she does not know the difference between Iraq and Iran, the problem is with you, not with her. Just like I know the president is aware there are 50 states. If I don't the problem is with me.

If you include all the territories and protectorates (Guam, Peurto Rico, etc) there are 57. That's what he was talking about.

I've switched Iran and Iraq occasionally while talking about the Middle East. However, I always catch myself and correct it. The verbal typo is understandable. The lack of correction even after saying it twice, less so.

re: #5 cliffster

Clearly she doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Iran. How stupid is she??

There is a difference between intelligence and knowledge. I think she's bright enough, just not knowledgeable about anything out of her area's of interest. She's always seemed to lack intellectual curiosity, probably more at home reading Field and Stream then something about Iran.

Ah, it's just a slip of the tongue, which sometimes can be a good thing, so I'm not going to crucify her for it. During the rest of the bit she at least pretended to be coherent.

At one time, many moons ago, I spent two days using the word profane when I meant profound. My future wife just let me go on, I assume to start building her 'gotcha' list for later in life.

"Sanctions"? She's counting on sanctions? Is this the tough gun-totin' mama everyone thought we'd be getting if she had won the election?

Sanctions. LOL.

re: #17 marjoriemoon

I don't think he ever wanted her. He went along with what the GOP wanted. He wanted Leiberman.

If by GOP you mean Bill Kristol, then yes.

re: #40 avanti

There is a difference between intelligence and knowledge. I think she's bright enough, just not knowledgeable about anything out of her area's of interest. She's always seemed to lack intellectual curiosity, probably more at home reading Field and Stream then something about Iran.

But she reads ALL the newspapers.

re: #37 marjoriemoon

By order of the Prophet, he banded the boogey sound.

That doesn't help. Thanks.

re: #18 Cato the Elder

"Bright, shiny object. Me get woody. Other guys get woody too. Woodies = votes for me. Me pick her."

yup. thats exactly how John McCain's thought process went. sarc.

maybe if you actually knew anything about Palin or McCain, instead of just vomiting up Olbermann talking points, you'd know that she actually did have a record as a maverick as Alaska governor, and someone who took on the establishment. The fact that he could make history by choosing a woman (and, yeah, a pretty one at that), and needed to shake up the race, only made the decision make even more sense.

I'm pretty sure she knows the difference. Her biggest problem is she's not terribly comfortable in front the camera still and she's probably nervous she's going to trip over her words... which tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Sanctions? Really. I thought the last thing conservatives wanted was sanctions against Iran or anyone. Sanctions were brought up against Iraq before the war and that was shouted down.

re: #40 avanti

I think she's bright enough, just not knowledgeable about anything out of her area's of interest bright enough to write her own book.

FTFY

re: #26 Diamond Bullet

I don't know about cracking down on Iraq, but I'm at least willing to rock the casbah.

So am I.

re: #41 b_sharp

Ah, it's just a slip of the tongue, which sometimes can be a good thing, so I'm not going to crucify her for it. During the rest of the bit she at least pretended to be coherent.(snip)

Yes--if anyone spends 70 hours a week speaking around recording devices, they're going to produce howlers. The same goes for the videos of the "clumsy" Pres Ford. The guy was an athlete.

And to think that we almost elected someone to Vice President that doesn't even know the difference between Iran and Iraq. Whew! Fortunately we have Joe Biden, doing, well, all that stuff that Joe Biden is doing.

re: #43 Merryweather

If by GOP you mean Bill Kristol, then yes.

The GOP = religious right wing.

Definitions may vary :)

re: #46 rollwave87

yup. thats exactly how John McCain's thought process went. sarc.

maybe if you actually knew anything about Palin or McCain, instead of just vomiting up Olbermann talking points, you'd know that she actually did have a record as a maverick as Alaska governor, and someone who took on the establishment. The fact that he could make history by choosing a woman (and, yeah, a pretty one at that), and needed to shake up the race, only made the decision make even more sense.

Ah, there's the magic word. "Maverick." You make me chortle.

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

That doesn't help. Thanks.

No. 49 might help.

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

That doesn't help. Thanks.

LOL Poor Walter. Sometimes your fun to play with :)

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

As soon as the shareef was out of their hair, the jet pilots wailed...

It's from Rock the Casbah by The Clash.

Hannity should have corrected her, but I can't view this as a big deal.

re: #53 Cato the Elder

Ah, there's the magic word. "Maverick." You make me chortle.

sorry. the fact that the left spent the entire election mocking the word 'maverick' didn't cause me to erase it from my vocabulary, or use it where appropriate, as it most certainly is in both cases. Unfortunately, as it turns out, Sarah was a little bit too much of one...

Oh poo... they aren't being nice.

Walter, The Clash "Rock the Casbah", check it out on youtube

re: #54 MandyManners

No. 49 might help.

I don't think so. I'm on DSL and video's are slow. And #49 may help what? I'm really confused today. I ask a simple question about "who is the sheriff" and I get a bunch of cryptic answers and video links.

re: #56 Merryweather

As soon as the shareef was out of their hair, the jet pilots wailed...

It's from Rock the Casbah by The Clash.

Some sort of musical group, I take it?

What's stupider, Confusing "Iraq" and "Iran" and wanting to get tough on them, or knowing "Iran" and thinking you can just talk them into giving up their nuclear ambitions?

re: #48 Cato the Elder

FTFY

Take a moment and think how a self written Palin book would work out. They'd have to change the title to "Rambling Rogue" for example.

re: #27 webevintage

OT, but here is the Senate Health Care Reform bill that Reid released yesterday.
all 2000 and something pages.
[Link: democrats.senate.gov...]

CBO has scored it as saving money, of course Mitch is already yelling LIARS...

Hi webevintage. Just a small quibble, but:

Official CBO Score Released: Senate Health Bill $848 Billion

To be fair:

The Congressional Budget Office confirmed late Wednesday night that the Senate health care reform bill would cost about $848 billion over ten years, but upped the amount of deficit savings Democratic aides had predicted from $127 billion to $130 billion over ten years.

Spending $848 billion is not "saving money". To use an analogy I've posted before:

Wife: Look dear. This dress was originally $200, but it was on sale for $160. I saved $40.00.

Husband: No dear. You spent $160.

It is historically unlikely (given Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid original estimates vs. what they actually cost) that a) the estimated cost will be as stated, and b) that deficit reduction will result.

re: #39 Charles

I've switched Iran and Iraq occasionally while talking about the Middle East. However, I always catch myself and correct it. The verbal typo is understandable. The lack of correction even after saying it twice, less so.

When I make repeated mistakes like that it is most often from nerves. For whatever reason, lack of preparation, lack of knowledge, lack of something. I wonder what Palin's lacking...

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

I don't think so. I'm on DSL and video's are slow. And #49 may help what? I'm really confused today. I ask a simple question about "who is the sheriff" and I get a bunch of cryptic answers and video links.

Rock the Casbah by The Clash.

Its Palin day at LGF. That haircut of hers in that clip is kinda annoying, I just want to reach into the screen and cut that lopsided bang off. Maybe her entire character is built that way on purpose; the public pays attention to her because she is annoying and distracting.

Someone better tell her that negative attention after a while doesn't really sell. Just look at Jesse Jackson...ok, bad example.

re: #31 Conservative Moonbat

But would they dare to do it during Thanksgiving? ;-)

re: #56 Merryweather

As soon as the shareef was out of their hair, the jet pilots wailed...

It's from Rock the Casbah by The Clash.

Thank you so much for that answer. That's all I asked. It was a simple question and I didn't expect that it would be like trying to get the launch codes for our nuclear arsenal. I'm glad that there are a few decent people left who will stop for a moment and help a socially inept old guy.

Who's the Clash?

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Some sort of musical group, I take it?

One of them thar ROCK AND ROLL groups from the 80's. Those dern whippersnappers with their gyrating hipster music, by cracky.

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Walter. I too am on DSL and have slow video. I have found if you start the video and then stop it right away, it loads a lot faster and you can watch it with out it cutting out. fwiw

re: #67 duck of peace

Its Palin day at LGF. That haircut of hers in that clip is kinda annoying, I just want to reach into the screen and cut that lopsided bang off. Maybe her entire character is built that way on purpose; the public pays attention to her because she is annoying and distracting.

Someone better tell her that negative attention after a while doesn't really sell. Just look at Jesse Jackson...ok, bad example.

Just poop.

re: #28 ckb

And the president thinks there are 57 states and 3 letters in the word "jobs"? Maybe that second one is Biden. Pelosi said we were losing millions of jobs a month or something like that, and played dumb when she was corrected. So what. How stupid are they? We all have brain freezes when we are nervous.

If you seriously believe she does not know the difference between Iraq and Iran, the problem is with you, not with her. Just like I know the president is aware there are 50 states. If I don't the problem is with me.

yep

re: #53 Cato the Elder

John McCain ruined Top Gun for me.

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Some sort of musical group, I take it?

Define "musical."

My favorite line from The Clash is still

"For the same reason no one every pointed a telescope at the sun..."

From Red Angel Dragnet. Of course, they point telescopes at the sun all the time, but not the naked-eye backyard telescope type. But I'm missing the point.

re: #65 bosforus

When I make repeated mistakes like that it is most often from nerves. For whatever reason, lack of preparation, lack of knowledge, lack of something. I wonder what Palin's lacking...

A forebrain.

re: #11 Decatur Deb

I still think there is a good chance she will be POTUS.

She and McCain did not lose by that much.

Press banned from Palin book event at Fort Bragg.

Palin.

How about another song about Southwest Asia?

re: #70 marjoriemoon

One of them thar ROCK AND ROLL groups from the 80's. Those dern whippersnappers with their gyrating hipster music, by cracky.

Strangely, the '80s are much more of a blur than the '60s.

re: #58 rollwave87

sorry. the fact that the left spent the entire election mocking the word 'maverick' didn't cause me to erase it from my vocabulary, or use it where appropriate, as it most certainly is in both cases. Unfortunately, as it turns out, Sarah was a little bit too much of one...

They mocked "maverick" because it's essentially meaningless, but sounds like an old cowboy teevee show, and it's just downright silly.

"Look at me, I'm all mavericky."

re: #42 Cato the Elder

"Sanctions"? She's counting on sanctions? Is this the tough gun-totin' mama everyone thought we'd be getting if she had won the election?

Sanctions. LOL.

Actually, sanctions on refined oil imports would be economically devastating for Iran.

Those sanctions that she mentioned "that we hear all about, but never see any actions towards them..." would this be one of them? And this interview was a week later?

Oh, wait, that was about Iran.

Never mind.

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Strangely, the '80s are much more of a blur than the '60s.

rofl Depends on your age I guess. If you're over 50, you probably got hit by each decade!

re: #77 Ojoe

I still think there is a good chance she will be POTUS.

She and McCain did not lose by that much.

I certainly hope she runs, as do my other leftie friends.

re: #67 duck of peace

I know what you are saying, but to over 1,000 people in Michigan at the Barnes and Noble, she's not annoying. There is a LARGE group that likes her.

re: #78 avanti

From the article:

The U.S. Army plans to prevent media from covering Sarah Palin's appearance at Fort Bragg, fearing the event will turn into political grandstanding against President Barack Obama, officials said Thursday.

The Army's gonna be pretty darned busy the next 3.25 years if that's their criteria for not allowing press at certain events.

re: #77 Ojoe

I still think there is a good chance she will be POTUS.

She and McCain did not lose by that much.

I think that O is a one termer no matter who runs against him, unless of course things get a lot better real quick & I just don't see that happening.

re: #28 ckb

Thank you,

UPDINGED for clarity.

Another great example of the Palin double standard. No one would create a video and distribute it if anyone else made this mistake. She pronounced, and named the leader and GOT THE FACTS RIGHT (about imports and allies)

re: #78 avanti

What do you think of the stated reason?

re: #77 Ojoe

No chance. Whichever way you think America's tilted, it's a mainly centrist country on the whole. The country will never vote someone as extreme as Palin into the White House.

re: #88 brookly red

He has one term written all over him.

Especially if there is another big terror hit here.

re: #62 redshirt

What's stupider, Confusing "Iraq" and "Iran" and wanting to get tough on them, or knowing "Iran" and thinking you can just talk them into giving up their nuclear ambitions?

Using the carrot and the stick works better than using just the carrot or the stick, and when the stick can sometimes cause uncontrollable and/or unintended damage, presenting and primarily focusing on the carrot while holding the stick barely visible behind your back is the prudent thing to do.

re: #81 Cato the Elder

They mocked "maverick" because it's essentially meaningless, but sounds like an old cowboy teevee show, and it's just downright silly.

"Look at me, I'm all mavericky."

You wouldn't know "mavericky" if it was crawling up your leg!

re: #91 Merryweather

The country will never vote someone as extreme as Palin Obama into the White House...

re: #92 Ojoe

He has one term written all over him.

Especially if there is another big terror hit here.

Right. Because everybody blamed Bush for 9/11 and refused to support the president, and he lost by a landslide in 2004.

Oh, wait...

re: #92 Ojoe

There was a massive terror attack 9 months into George W Bush's presidency, and he still won a second term.

re: #92 Ojoe

He has one term written all over him.

Especially if there is another big terror hit here.

I was thinking more about the economy, but yes that would do it too...

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

You wouldn't know "mavericky" if it was crawling up your leg!

I'm gonna' refrain.

re: #96 Cato the Elder

well then there's the circle the wagons mentality.

It could get us stuck with another 4 years of non stellar leadership, yes.

re: #93 b_sharp

Using the carrot and the stick works better than using just the carrot or the stick, and when the stick can sometimes cause uncontrollable and/or unintended damage, presenting and primarily focusing on the carrot while holding the stick barely visible behind your back is the prudent thing to do.

Prudent, ahhh, I see it now, thats what Obama is doing regarding Iran.

re: #86 howyadoin

I know what you are saying, but to over 1,000 people in Michigan at the Barnes and Noble, she's not annoying. There is a LARGE group that likes her.

Now THATS annoying, or I think, for me at least, the annoyance is that there isn't a clear bad-ass conservative candidate out there garnering any attention.

The message, through enough filters, is there, but the messengers have been suck lately.

re: #99 MandyManners

Please don't.

re: #77 Ojoe

I still think there is a good chance she will be POTUS.

She and McCain did not lose by that much.

Check Nate and co. on today's 538 for both sides of her chances.

re: #97 Merryweather

There was a massive terror attack 9 months into George W Bush's presidency, and he still won a second term.

I think that most people can clearly see that it was a terror attack that clearly had been planned and allowed to happen on Clinton's watch. 8 years of Clinton sleeping on the job of protecting America left us in a place where we didn't even know where the dangers were.

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

You wouldn't know "mavericky" if it was crawling up your leg!

I thought it was, the other night, but it was just a giant stinkbug that had gotten into the house somehow.

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

Thank you so much for that answer. That's all I asked. It was a simple question and I didn't expect that it would be like trying to get the launch codes for our nuclear arsenal. I'm glad that there are a few decent people left who will stop for a moment and help a socially inept old guy.

Who's the Clash?

Decatur Deb

Thanks for the up ding on that. I suspect you were reading that and saw the set up coming way before you got to the end. I had fun writing it too!

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Check Nate and co. on today's 538 for both sides of her chances.

Link? I'm not familiar...

re: #90 howyadoin

What do you think of the stated reason?

I'll accept the Army's reason:

"There are Army regulations that basically prohibit military reservations from becoming political platforms by politicians."

If she were the POTUS, she'd be the CIC and exempt.

re: #105 cliffster

I think that most people can clearly see that it was a terror attack that clearly had been planned and allowed to happen on Clinton's watch. 8 years of Clinton sleeping on the job of protecting America left us in a place where we didn't even know where the dangers were.

OH PLEASE. Reagan armed the Mujhadeen. How far back you wanna go??

re: #77 Ojoe

I still think there is a good chance she will be POTUS.

She and McCain did not lose by that much.

If Palin wins anything more than the, hopefully in her case, short lived talk show circuit lottery, I'll have to move farther North and live with the polar bears.

re: #79 MandyManners

How about another song about Southwest Asia?

Continuing your magical musical tour of S. Asia.

re: #103 bosforus

You can have at it!

re: #92 Ojoe

He has one term written all over him.

He has a lot of unflattering things written all over him. The media bias is proven by the fact that you can't see any of those writings in published photos.

re: #106 Cato the Elder

I thought it was, the other night, but it was just a giant stinkbug that had gotten into the house somehow.

I'm going to try one more time to get a response from you. I mentioned yesterday that the package is in the mail to you and all just wanted to know that you got my message. I want you to look out for it in the mail. OK.

re: #97 Merryweather

There was a massive terror attack 9 months into George W Bush's presidency, and he still won a second term.

Kerry was the Democrat candidate.

Nuff said.

(Is that like the first reference to Kerry since TFK's demise??)

re: #93 b_sharp

If you never use the stick or do not use it onec in a while, it won't mater how much of it they see because they will think you are not going to use it.

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

You wouldn't know "mavericky" if it was crawling up your leg!

Better than having it trickle down your leg.

re: #97 Merryweather

There was a massive terror attack 9 months into George W Bush's presidency, and he still won a second term.

Hi Merryweather! While true, that may not be comparable. That was something of a magnitude we'd not seen before, and even prior to the 2004 election, there were grumblings about "should have known - ignored warnings" etc.

It seems to me that a massive terror attack now (or in the near future) would be much more problematic for this administration, as it would open it up to (fairly or not) the idea that this administration had ten or eleven years' experience in security methods post-9/11 and failed to learn the lessons of history.

re: #110 marjoriemoon

OH PLEASE. Reagan armed the Mujhadeen. How far back you wanna go??

If one is political about it, then one can make one's self believe anything. However, sensible person says that Clinton was soft, and we paid the price.

re: #116 marjoriemoon

Kerry was the Democrat candidate.

Nuff said.

(Is that like the first reference to Kerry since TFK's demise??)

who's Kerry?

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

I'm going to try one more time to get a response from you. I mentioned yesterday that the package is in the mail to you and all just wanted to know that you got my message. I want you to look out for it in the mail. OK.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I responded. Yes, I'm on the lookout, and thanks so much.

re: #118 bosforus

Better than having it trickle down your leg.

Festus... clean that up... right now.

re: #116 marjoriemoon

Kerry was the Democrat candidate.

Nuff said.

(Is that like the first reference to Kerry since TFK's demise??)

This is bullshit. Kerry's daughter...
[Link: www.myfoxny.com...]

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Think this is it. My bloody cursor is beating to the Stones.

[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]

re: #109 avanti

That is very clear. I guess I was a little surprised she was going to be signing on the Fort grounds. I suspect she was looking for just that kind of political circus.

re: #95 Ojoe

The country will never vote someone as extreme as Palin Obama into the White House...

You think Obama is extreme?

Have you ever heard of Jack Layton? [Link: www.ndp.ca...]

Obama is pretty centrist.

re: #120 cliffster

If one is political about it, then one can make one's self believe anything. However, sensible person says that Clinton was soft, and we paid the price.

And the wall imposed by his administration between the CIA and the FBI. Probably the largest single factor to not see 9/11 coming.

re: #122 Cato the Elder

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I responded. Yes, I'm on the lookout, and thanks so much.

No you didn't respond. You were too busy sucking up to Ludwig. I thought we were going to have another blossoming LGF relationship right there, live, on the thread. Geeessshhh :)

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Think this is it. My bloody cursor is beating to the Stones.

[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

re: #126 howyadoin

That is very clear. I guess I was a little surprised she was going to be signing on the Fort grounds. I suspect she was looking for just that kind of political circus.

She's just doing her book tour to sell books however she can, a good capitalist endeavor.

re: #127 b_sharp

You think Obama is extreme?

Have you ever heard of Jack Layton? [Link: www.ndp.ca...]

Obama is pretty centrist.

LOL, now that is funny.

re: #105 cliffster

I think that most people can clearly see that it was a terror attack that clearly had been planned and allowed to happen on Clinton's watch. 8 years of Clinton sleeping on the job of protecting America left us in a place where we didn't even know where the dangers were.

Oh please, Clintion's people tried to warn Bush about AQ and he brushed it off.

re: #116 marjoriemoon

Yeah, I remember thinking myself, "Is John Frickin' Kerry seriously the best the Dems can do?"

re: #130 MandyManners

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

That's more like it!

re: #120 cliffster

If one is political about it, then one can make one's self believe anything. However, sensible person says that Clinton was soft, and we paid the price.

And those security assessments Bush ignored before 9/11? I suppose that was strategery on his part?

re: #127 b_sharp

Extreme spender among other things.

Extreme weenie apologizer in foreign countries also.

BBL

lunch

re: #127 b_sharp

You think Obama is extreme?

Have you ever heard of Jack Layton? [Link: www.ndp.ca...]

Obama is pretty centrist.

moving the goal post just a bit...

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is bullshit. Kerry's daughter...
[Link: www.myfoxny.com...]

A. She was under the legal limit
B. Who cares about John Kerry nowadays?

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

No you didn't respond. You were too busy sucking up to Ludwig. I thought we were going to have another blossoming LGF relationship right there, live, on the thread. Geeessshhh :)

Please don't take it personal-like. And I was not sucking up to him; I was agreeing with his take on the terrorist trials in NY.

re: #139 Liberally Conservative

A. She was under the legal limit
B. Who cares about John Kerry nowadays?

A. She could still be charged with dangerous driving.

B. Morticia and Gomez.

re: #139 Liberally Conservative

A. She was under the legal limit
B. Who cares about John Kerry nowadays?

Agreed. She was under the limit and got arrested. That is the bullshit part. I don't care about Lurch.

re: #140 Cato the Elder

Please don't take it personal-like. And I was not sucking up to him; I was agreeing with his take on the terrorist trials in NY.

I wasn't. That was comedy, maybe very bad, but comedy none the less.

And as an aside, I was taking offense to his take on everything yesterday.

Just to make sure we know where we sit.

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Texas, under the limit is still arrestable. And yes I don't give a flying f about politicians and their adult offspring.

re: #120 cliffster

If one is political about it, then one can make one's self believe anything. However, sensible person says that Clinton was soft, and we paid the price.

That's a load of bullshit. It's so easy to backtrack and blame prior to 9/11. Although you would never blame Reagan for giving arms to Al Queda and Osama bin Laden, no, but you would say that Clinton was soft? Clinton chased that bastard through his entire presidency. Btw, exactly when did Bush capture Bin Laden?

It's sheer politics and hatred for the left to blame Clinton for this when every one of them could shoulder some responsibility. But glad to see how much you love your country.

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't. That was comedy, maybe very bad, but comedy none the less.

And as an aside, I was taking offense to his take on everything yesterday.

Just to make sure we know where we sit.

I'm sitting very comfortably, and hoping you are too!

re: #101 filetandrelease

Prudent, ahhh, I see it now, thats what Obama is doing regarding Iran.

Would you rather he swagger over there, stuff a baseball bat sized stick up their collective ass, take a step back, put his hands on his hips, an arrogant curl on his lips and dare them to do anything more than cry?

If so, you better provide him with a cowboy hat, a pair of cowboy boots and a gun to match. Oh yah, you should also close and lock all your doors and windows, and throw down a perimeter of salt so the mice won't get in. Or is that slugs?

This is petty compared to Obama's "My Muslim faith" ...

re: #145 marjoriemoon

It's sheer politics and hatred for the to blame Clinton for this when every one of them could shoulder some responsibility. But glad to see how much you love your country.

I don't think it's particularly appropriate to challenge my love of this country for thinking Clinton was soft on terrorism.

re: #86 howyadoin

I know what you are saying, but to over 1,000 people in Michigan at the Barnes and Noble, she's not annoying. There is a LARGE group that likes her.

A thousand people? Just how big is Barnes and Noble that it takes a thousand people to look like a thousand people in an enclosed space?

re: #145 marjoriemoon

That's a load of bullshit. It's so easy to backtrack and blame prior to 9/11. Although you would never blame Reagan for giving arms to Al Queda and Osama bin Laden, no, but you would say that Clinton was soft? Clinton chased that bastard through his entire presidency. Btw, exactly when did Bush capture Bin Laden?

It's sheer politics and hatred for the left to blame Clinton for this when every one of them could shoulder some responsibility. But glad to see how much you love your country.

You have a point, but that part is completly false, wasn't it Yemen who offered Bin Laden to Clinton on a platter, but Clinton refused because we had no legal basis to hold him?

re: #145 marjoriemoon

That's a load of bullshit. It's so easy to backtrack and blame prior to 9/11. (snip)

Blame Millard Fillmore.

re: #145 marjoriemoon

It's sheer politics and hatred for the left to blame Clinton for this when every one of them could shoulder some responsibility.

And don't you know your left from your right? That's ironic, considering the thread ;)

There's a great Ali G big where he's interviewing some US military figure (can't remember which one.) He asks what would happen if a pilot was ordered "Bomb Ira-" and the communication cuts off. Wouldn't the geezer bomb Iran by accident?

re: #145 marjoriemoon

That's a load of bullshit. It's so easy to backtrack and blame prior to 9/11. Although you would never blame Reagan for giving arms to Al Queda and Osama bin Laden, no, but you would say that Clinton was soft? Clinton chased that bastard through his entire presidency. Btw, exactly when did Bush capture Bin Laden?

It's sheer politics and hatred for the left to blame Clinton for this when every one of them could shoulder some responsibility. But glad to see how much you love your country.

Acually, the Mujahadeen turned into the Northern Alliance. Then fought the Taliban.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar

Acually=actually, PIMF

re: #151 filetandrelease

You have a point, but that part is completly false, wasn't it Yemen who offered Bin Laden to Clinton on a platter, but Clinton refused because we had no legal basis to hold him?

You'd have to find me a link on that. I never heard that before.

re: #151 filetandrelease

You have a point, but that part is completly false, wasn't it Yemen who offered Bin Laden to Clinton on a platter, but Clinton refused because we had no legal basis to hold him?

Was it Yemen or an Afican nation?

re: #147 b_sharp

Would you rather he swagger over there, stuff a baseball bat sized stick up their collective ass, take a step back, put his hands on his hips, an arrogant curl on his lips and dare them to do anything more than cry?

If so, you better provide him with a cowboy hat, a pair of cowboy boots and a gun to match. Oh yah, you should also close and lock all your doors and windows, and throw down a perimeter of salt so the mice won't get in. Or is that slugs?

Dancing with the Mullahs isn't going to work. These guys invented chess. Obama is being played the fool.

Your big stick idea would be more effective.

re: #158 MandyManners

Was it Yemen or an Afican nation?

I thought it was Sudan.

re: #157 marjoriemoon

You'd have to find me a link on that. I never heard that before.

There was talk about the Sudan giving him up, but...
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

re: #150 b_sharp

That was all they could let in. Lots didn't get the armbands:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

All I am saying is there are a lot of people out there who support her. No denying it.

re: #160 reine.de.tout

I thought it was Sudan.

That's what's nibbling at the back of my mind.

re: #163 MandyManners

That's what's nibbling at the back of my mind.

See my #161.

re: #149 cliffster

I don't think it's particularly appropriate to challenge my love of this country for thinking Clinton was soft on terrorism.

Well I do. Lots of people who hate Obama also have so little faith in our Constitution and our rule of law that they're willing to abandon it (secede from the Union). I don't call that patriotic.

When I hear of Clinton bashing like this, blaming his presidency on something that happened after he left office, it smacks of the same thing.

I never was a great fan of Bush, although I did support the war, initially and I'm a liberal. I don't support the war now, but I would never blame it on Bush.

re: #163 MandyManners

That's what's nibbling at the back of my mind.

MANDY *WATCH OUT* THAT'S A FERAL PIG!

re: #56 Merryweather

As soon as the shareef was out of their hair, the jet pilots wailed...

It's from Rock the Casbah by The Clash.

Damn eurotrash socialists.
/

re: #162 howyadoin

Not everyone who's interested in Palin is a supporter. Check out Andrew Sullivan's blog sometime - the guy is obsessed with Palin, but he hates her guts.

re: #158 MandyManners

Was it Yemen or an Afican nation?

Sudan, my mistake

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Blame Millard Fillmore.

Actually Jimmy Carter can take some of the blame. He started destabilizing the elected government of Afghanistan because they were too friendly with the Soviets. The Russian invasion was a direct result.

re: #157 marjoriemoon

You'd have to find me a link on that. I never heard that before.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
The Sudan story also shows that politics can override and policymakers ignore good intelligence. By 1996, Khartoum's enthusiasm for an ideological Islamic state had waned. Pragmatists were prevailing over ideologues. In February 1996, as The Washington Post has reported, Khartoum tried to cooperate on counter-terrorism. Sudan's minister of state for defense (now its U.N. ambassador), Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, secretly visited the United States to propose a trade -- bin Laden's extradition to Saudi Arabia in return for an easing of political and economic sanctions. Riyadh refused.

Three months later, after offering to hand bin Laden over to U.S. authorities, Sudan expelled him, as Deputy National Security Adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger had urged. In July, Sudan gave U.S. authorities permission to photograph two terror camps. Washington failed to follow up. In August, Turabi sent an "olive branch" letter to President Clinton through Ijaz. There was no reply.

In October, Gutbi Al-Mahdi, Sudan's newly appointed, Western-educated intelligence chief, showed sensitive intelligence on terrorists tracked through Khartoum to one of us, Ijaz, to pass on to the Clinton administration. By election day 1996, top Clinton aides, including Berger, knew what information was available from Khartoum and of its potential value to identify, monitor and ultimately dismantle terrorist cells around the world. Yet they did nothing about it.

A further change took place in Sudanese thinking in April 1997. The government dropped its demand that Washington lift sanctions in exchange for terrorism cooperation. Sudan's president, in a letter that Ijaz delivered to U.S. authorities, offered FBI and CIA counter-terrorism units unfettered and unconditional access to Khartoum's intelligence.

Sudan's policy shift sparked a debate at the State Department, where foreign service officers believed the United States should reengage Khartoum. By the end of summer 1997, they persuaded incoming Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to let at least some diplomatic staff return to Sudan to press for a resolution of the civil war and pursue offers to cooperate on terrorism. A formal announcement was made in late September.

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

See my #161.

I did. Good find.

re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar

Acually, the Mujahadeen turned into the Northern Alliance. Then fought the Taliban.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If you're trying to tell me that the Muhjahdeen were the good guys, then you're way off base.

But I think you missed my point. It enrages me that those would blame Clinton for 9/11 when other presidents made huge mistakes with the arab world (and others) that can only be seen as mistakes in hindsight. Yea, and we held up Castro as a hero at one time and Sadaam Hussein too! It's just a stupid argument all the way around.

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

MANDY *WATCH OUT* THAT'S A FERAL PIG!

They're dead, Jim.

re: #165 marjoriemoon

Suit yourself. I always hear liberals complain about conservatives using the "not patriotic" theme.

Anyways, I never say anything about my beliefs re: Clinton and 9/11 except in response to someone trying to pin it on Bush. You'll notice that was the case here. If someone blames Bush, I say I think it was Clinton.

Picky, picky, picky...

re: #173 marjoriemoon

I didn't say they were the good guys. But they weren't OBL and AQ as per your earlier post.

My favorite bit was when she said she would make Russia & China support sanctions against Iran. Um... exactly how are you gonna' do that? I don't think it's for a lack of asking that they're not on board.

She has this staggeringly naive view of the world that if you just bluster and demand things of other countries that they're going to heel to. Bush tried the romantic route (looking soulfully into each other's eyes at eachother's souls) and Obama tried the strategic approach (missile defense etc...) and neither got them to budge. What does she think she has up her sleeve? Folksy charm and a hunting rifle? Have you seen Putin, that man probably hunts caribou with his bear hands and no shirt in winter...

Ok, that last line was a joke, but seriously... where's the beef, Palin?

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

MANDY *WATCH OUT* THAT'S A FERAL PIG!

Is it wearing lipstick?

re: #170 Cato the Elder

Actually Jimmy Carter can take some of the blame. He started destabilizing the elected government of Afghanistan because they were too friendly with the Soviets. The Russian invasion was a direct result.

Depends on all the diverse forces that drive the jihadists. One might have lost a great-great-great-great-uncle at Tripoli

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't say they were the good guys. But they weren't OBL and AQ as per your earlier post.

re: #145 marjoriemoon

That's a load of bullshit. It's so easy to backtrack and blame prior to 9/11. Although you would never blame Reagan for giving arms to Al Queda and Osama bin Laden, no, but you would say that Clinton was soft? Clinton chased that bastard through his entire presidency. Btw, exactly when did Bush capture Bin Laden?

It's sheer politics and hatred for the left to blame Clinton for this when every one of them could shoulder some responsibility. But glad to see how much you love your country.

There's some good news today, Megadeath and Slayer tour tickets went on sale for their upcoming tour.

[Link: megafanclub.megadeth.com...]

OT: DailyKos has commissioned some facinatingt polling in FL on the correlation between Rubio support and birtherism.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I don't blame either, it was a pre 9/11 mindset. We all were asleep.

BTW, that is also why if another serious terror attack occurs in the near future it will not bode well for Obama. There is no excuse for a pre 9/11 mindset today.

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Depends on all the diverse forces that drive the jihadists. One might have lost a great-great-great-great-uncle at Tripoli

Or, one's American uncle helped liberate Auschwitz.

re: #178 Cineaste

What does she think she has up her sleeve? Folksy charm and a hunting rifle? Have you seen Putin, that man probably hunts caribou with his bear hands and no shirt in winter...

Putin would eat Palin for breakfast, with caviar and vodka on the side.

O.M.G.

re: #168 Merryweather

Would there be enough numbers of the interested dislikers to make a dent in her supporter numbers if you discounted the dislikers?

re: #171 Guanxi88

Don't know how you feel about this: [Link: www.factcheck.org...]

Question: Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden? Was Bill Clinton offered bin Laden on "a silver platter"? Did he refuse? Was there cause at the time?

Answer: Probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens.

Let’s start with what everyone agrees on: In April 1996, Osama bin Laden was an official guest of the radical Islamic government of Sudan – a government that had been implicated in the attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993. By 1996, with the international community treating Sudan as a pariah, the Sudanese government attempted to patch its relations with the United States. At a secret meeting in a Rosslyn, Va., hotel, the Sudanese minister of state for defense, Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, met with CIA operatives, where, among other things, they discussed Osama bin Laden.

It is here that things get murky. Erwa claims that he offered to hand bin Laden over to the United States. Key American players – President Bill Clinton, then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and Director of Counterterrorism Richard Clarke among them – have testified there were no "credible offers" to hand over bin Laden. The 9/11 Commission found "no credible evidence" that Erwa had ever made such an offer. On the other hand, Lawrence Wright, in his Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Looming Tower," flatly states that Sudan did make such an offer. Wright bases his judgment on an interview with Erwa and notes that those who most prominently deny Erwa's claims were not in fact present for the meeting.

Wright and the 9/11 Commission do agree that the Clinton administration encouraged Sudan to deport bin Laden back to Saudi Arabia and spent 10 weeks trying to convince the Saudi government to accept him. One Clinton security official told The Washington Post that they had "a fantasy" that the Saudi government would quietly execute bin Laden. When the Saudis refused bin Laden’s return, Clinton officials convinced the Sudanese simply to expel him, hoping that the move would at least disrupt bin Laden’s activities.

read the whole thing

re: #186 Cato the Elder

Putin would eat Palin for breakfast, with caviar and vodka on the side.

Come on, this is a family friendly blog.

Palin drawing large crowds in Indiana:

[Link: www.indystar.com...]

re: #165 marjoriemoon

When I hear of Clinton bashing like this, blaming his presidency on something that happened after he left office, it smacks of the same thing.

We on the left do the same thing with Reagan - there was plenty of blame being heaped on his economic policies and 'trickle down' theory for the current crisis.

Damn... who knew Iraq and Iran were different countries?!?

re: #193 Bagua

Damn... who knew Iraq and Iran were different countries?!?

Certainly not 3 hikers.

re: #185 MandyManners

Right war, wrong location, no?

those claims about palin not knowing that africa is a continent are gaining acceptance with me right now

re: #193 Bagua

Damn... who knew Iraq and Iran were different countries?!?

yeah - never mind that whole sunni/shia thing. I mean they're all not Americans, right? What else do ya' need?

///sarc

re: #188 howyadoin

Probably not. The majority of the people who go out and buy her book will be Palin fans. Most of her detractors wouldn't want to waste good money on her.

re: #196 SpaceJesus

those claims about palin not knowing that africa is a continent are gaining acceptance with me right now

I'm clocking on to that as well.

re: #189 marjoriemoon

It's Sudanese politics. Who knows? Just a source for the general story, from one who participated in it. Mansoor Ijaz.

re: #197 Cineaste

yeah - never mind that whole sunni/shia thing. I mean they're all not Americans, right? What else do ya' need?

///sarc

Iraq is majority Shiite.

Well, one small comfort.. Should it be President Palin in 2013,

at least she'll have a few more years to bone up on things, such as the names of countries we have or may soon be fighting wars with.

re: #196 SpaceJesus

Give Palin a break - it's not her fault that her knowledge of geography only extends to what she can see from her house.

re: #195 Decatur Deb

Right war, wrong location, no?

Wrong military.

re: #201 Guanxi88

Iraq is majority Shiite.

And Iran's leaders are majority Shit.

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't say they were the good guys. But they weren't OBL and AQ as per your earlier post.

That's absolutely not true. Al Queda, led by Bin Laden, recruited many Mujhadeen soldiers. They were one in the same.

The Israeli Ministry has a good article on it that I can't find now, but this will have to do. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed.[16]

re: #198 Merryweather

Probably not. The majority of the people who go out and buy her book will be Palin fans. Most of her detractors wouldn't want to waste good money on her.

Neither of the large bookstores in our Lower Alabama town carried the spoof book. It was said to be "held up".

re: #201 Guanxi88

Iraq is majority Shiite.

I am aware. But they were ruled by a minority shia party for a long time and a wee-little-bit of the fracas since mission was accomplished had to do with those two groups not getting along so well. Let's not even get into the subtlety of the cultural distinctions between Persians and Arabs... somehow I bet that's gonna' be a stretch... you betcha!

//

re: #206 marjoriemoon

In 1996, 8 years after Reagan.

re: #202 Bagua

I for one would be immensely relieved that we'd be bombing China instead of our ally India. //

re: #207 Decatur Deb

At first thought, I figured Alabama would be a hot spot for Palin.

re: #204 MandyManners

I'm lost on the details. Didn't he mistake the name of the camp?

Well, as Charles correctly pointed out, we all make mistakes with verbal or written typos, remember when POTUS said "my muslim faith" by mistake? And Palin's nowhere near the gaff factory that is VP Biden, but gee wizz, can't we raise the bar a bit?

re: #210 Merryweather

I for one would be immensely relieved that we'd be bombing China instead of our ally India. //

India? Shit. Get the Governor of Indiana on the line and tell him sorry.

re: #192 Merryweather

We on the left do the same thing with Reagan - there was plenty of blame being heaped on his economic policies and 'trickle down' theory for the current crisis.

U.S. economics is a completely different issue. Economic policy instituted by one administration is going to have direct effect on the next administration and subsequent even subsequent administrations.

But relying on hindsight for the only reason to point fingers and place blame is unproductive and unfair. Unless you have concrete evidence that a president withheld evidence purposely, or something similar.

Stupid interviewer didn't correct her either.
Stupid Hannity.
Stupid Fox.
Poor Sarah.

re: #211 howyadoin

At first thought, I figured Alabama would be a hot spot for Palin.

They had her book, not "Going Rouge".

re: #212 Decatur Deb

I'm lost on the details. Didn't he mistake the name of the camp?

That camp was liberated by the Soviets.

re: #206 marjoriemoon

OF course they did. And from Arab/Muslim countries all over the world.

They are not "one and the same" as the Mujhadeen.

Unless the N Alliance (Mujhadeen) and Taliban (Mujhadeen) were one and the same.

And al'Quaida means "The Base" in Arabic. No it's no surprise that they called their "military" training bases, "Bases."

That's like claiming al-Shabab is the same group in Somalia as in "Palestine".

re: #202 Bagua

Well, one small comfort.. Should it be President Palin in 2013,

at least she'll have a few more years to bone up on things, such as the names of countries we have or may soon be fighting wars with.

There will not be a President or Vice President Palin in the White House in 2013, of that I am fairly certain.

I am reassured that there will also be no wars in 2013, as our diplomacy and foreign policy team continue in the flawless execution of their work.

Bible Spice, dear Bible Spice,
Your slip shows once again.
It only goes to prove, my dove,
The tongue is slipperier than the pen.

Copyright 2009 Cato the Elder

re: #219 Ben Hur

See my #155.

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That camp was liberated by the Soviets.

Wasn't the uncle at the liberation of a different, mistakenly named camp?
I'll try to dig it out.

re: #217 Decatur Deb
Ah. That's what you meant by "spoof book". I kinda thought that you were referring to her book as a "spoof".

OK.

re: #221 Cato the Elder

Bible Spice, dear Bible Spice,
Your slip shows once again.
It only goes to prove, my dove,
The tongue is slipperier than the pen.

Copyright 2009 Cato the Elder

I smell a Grammy!!!
/

re: #216 Spare O'Lake

Stupid interviewer didn't correct her either.
Stupid Hannity.
Stupid Fox.
Poor Sarah.

And we know they both do know the difference between the two countries, but it shows how focused they were on the message and talking points that they could both miss such a clear factual error.

You see, its all about the message, fact and accuracy are just distractions.

re: #206 marjoriemoon

Some of the mujaheddin were from the 1980 Afghan civil war and uprising against the Soviets. However, some of those mujaheddin were also foreign fighters. The foreign fighters were a subset, and not all Afghans were enamored with them. They were welcomed with open arms because that's Afghan custom, and the insidiousness of the foreign fighters has come back to haunt Afghanistan with the Taliban-AQ connection.

So, even as the foreign fighters stuck out like a sore thumb - not speaking the local language, engaging in local customs, and were interested in becoming martyrs for the cause, the local population had little choice but accept this.

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

India? Shit. Get the Governor of Indiana on the line and tell him sorry.

That's what Indiana gets for going blue for the first time in 40 years, I'm afraid. Nothing we can do about it...

re: #224 howyadoin

This is a "typo" thread. I was sure I'd misspell "Rouge".

re: #89 Buck

Another great example of the Palin double standard. No one would create a video and distribute it if anyone else made this mistake. She pronounced, and named the leader and GOT THE FACTS RIGHT (about imports and allies)

Wow! She's DEFINITELY Presidential material! She pronounced his name right GOT THE FACTS RIGHT!

Luckily, we've got other candidates out there that can do it without cramming the night before.

re: #200 Guanxi88

It's Sudanese politics. Who knows? Just a source for the general story, from one who participated in it. Mansoor Ijaz.

Arab politics are a quagmire. There's no doubt about it. Nothing is every really clear cut with any of it. Which is probably why Arabs don't involve themselves with other Arab nations. Who the hell wants to get involved in these messes.

At any rate, my point to bring up Reagan is that if you dig hard enough, you can find fault with every U.S. president in regard to Arab politics and if you want to draw the line to 9/11, then I guess you can do that, but it would be ridiculous in my mind.

re: #231 marjoriemoon

I blame 9/11 on 19 guys and their planners.

re: #231 marjoriemoon

The common thread? Arab politics. They make us Yanks look like four-flushing pikers when it comes to dense and impenetrable animosity, bombastic distortion, and capacity for self-delusion.

re: #231 marjoriemoon

Every US President? I thought Jimmy Carter was solely responsible for everything that's gone wrong in thw Middle East. /

I get such a strong sense that there are lots of people who support her. I'm not much of a political fan. It doesn't matter who the GOP will propose as nominees in 2012, these supporters will support Palin. All of the sneering, jeering and down-talk won't win them away. The other nominees will have to win their "hearts" over. How would you do that?

re: #229 Decatur Deb

I would have! I'm in awe...

re: #219 Ben Hur

OF course they did. And from Arab/Muslim countries all over the world.

They are not "one and the same" as the Mujhadeen.

Unless the N Alliance (Mujhadeen) and Taliban (Mujhadeen) were one and the same.

And al'Quaida means "The Base" in Arabic. No it's no surprise that they called their "military" training bases, "Bases."

That's like claiming al-Shabab is the same group in Somalia as in "Palestine".

And so, in hindsight, was it wise of Reagan then to arm them? He did so to fight the Russians.

Was it wise to support Castro? Was it wise to push up Hussein as VP, in what.. 1979?

All answers in hindsight are NO. Hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it.

I got really mad for those who blame 9/11 on Clinton.

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar

I blame 9/11 on 19 guys and their planners.

Wait, they have no planners, there are some individuals accused of planning, but they are at this time innocent.

re: #234 Merryweather

Every US President? I thought Jimmy Carter was solely responsible for everything that's gone wrong in thw Middle East. /

Well... you do have a point there.

re: #235 howyadoin

I get such a strong sense that there are lots of people who support her. I'm not much of a political fan. It doesn't matter who the GOP will propose as nominees in 2012, these supporters will support Palin. All of the sneering, jeering and down-talk won't win them away. The other nominees will have to win their "hearts" over. How would you do that?

You don't have to do that. She's the darling of creationists, white supremacists ("real Americans"), know-nothings and socons. Any salvation for the GOP will come of ignoring these people.

Off to get the kids from school...

re: #117 Ojoe

If you never use the stick or do not use it onec in a while, it won't mater how much of it they see because they will think you are not going to use it.

That depends on what cost/benefit ratio they are willing to accept, and that is easier to establish during a talk than it is during a fight.

If they see you are willing to use it against weak opponents but not more powerful ones, then they are just as likely to pretend to be afraid of the stick while plotting to become more powerful.

BTW, how is that Iraq thing working out? Any predictions on what will happen after the US pulls out, and they finish their civil war? Good for the West? Bad? Somewhere in between?

Two things always smack the unprepared in the face, and by unprepared I mean those who don't at least check the height of the cliff before they jump, the Law of Unintended Consequences and Finagle's Law.

The best defense isn't just kicking them in the balls and threatening more of the same if they misbehave, it has to be multifaceted, including knowing as much about them as possible, including what carrot and what stick to show.

Instead of putting yourself in a position where you have to deal with multiple fronts, put their government in that position by appealing to their population. Do what the anti-whatever PR flacks are doing right now with AGW, evolution, reality based medicine, and vaccines.

Besides, if you really do have a huge dick stick, as the US does, you can always take a major dump on them when it's obvious the carrot and threat of a threat aren't working.

re: #238 filetandrelease

Wait, they have no planners, there are some individuals accused of planning, but they are at this time innocent.

Not according to the President and the AG. GUILTY!!!

re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar

Forgot this...///

re: #242 b_sharp

That depends on what cost/benefit ratio they are willing to accept, and that is easier to establish during a talk than it is during a fight.

If they see you are willing to use it against weak opponents but not more powerful ones, then they are just as likely to pretend to be afraid of the stick while plotting to become more powerful.

BTW, how is that Iraq thing working out? Any predictions on what will happen after the US pulls out, and they finish their civil war? Good for the West? Bad? Somewhere in between?

Two things always smack the unprepared in the face, and by unprepared I mean those who don't at least check the height of the cliff before they jump, the Law of Unintended Consequences and Finagle's Law.

The best defense isn't just kicking them in the balls and threatening more of the same if they misbehave, it has to be multifaceted, including knowing as much about them as possible, including what carrot and what stick to show.

Instead of putting yourself in a position where you have to deal with multiple fronts, put their government in that position by appealing to their population. Do what the anti-whatever PR flacks are doing right now with AGW, evolution, reality based medicine, and vaccines.

Besides, if you really do have a huge dick stick, as the US does, you can always take a major dump on them when it's obvious the carrot and threat of a threat aren't working.

Ah. The big, swinging stick school of diplomacy.

The alexandra kerry arrest pisses me off. They didn't arrest her for her driving, they arrested her for not using her highbeams entirely correctly. She'll end up getting out of it but she should never have been arrested to begin with. This is BS.

re: #240 Cato the Elder

You don't have to do that. She's the darling of creationists, white supremacists ("real Americans"), know-nothings and socons. Any salvation for the GOP will come of ignoring these people.

If recent elections and current poles are any indicator, the GOP is doing just fine.

re: #240 Cato the Elder

You don't have to do that. She's the darling of creationists, white supremacists ("real Americans"), know-nothings and socons. Any salvation for the GOP will come of ignoring these people.

The savior of the GOP is our president. They should send him/pelosi/reid some nice flowers.

re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not according to the President and the AG. GUILTY!!!

I suspect that aside from the terrorists they may have a very long list...

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Wasn't the uncle at the liberation of a different, mistakenly named camp?
I'll try to dig it out.

Buchenwald, per this:

www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/.../entry4127479.shtml -

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re: #240 Cato the Elder

That's a big group and they each have a vote. They will vote. If you just throw them to the wind, they will vote. Votes count. You ignore them, they come back to bite your a@@. I get so frustrated with this debate. I can find a reason to disagree with every living being on this planet. At some point, we have to find common ground if we want to move ahead. Ignoring is not a good idea.

re: #246 RogueOne

The alexandra kerry arrest pisses me off. They didn't arrest her for her driving, they arrested her for not using her highbeams entirely correctly. She'll end up getting out of it but she should never have been arrested to begin with. This is BS.

They HAD to arrest her. She appeared to be drunk.

re: #251 howyadoin

That's a big group and they each have a vote. They will vote. If you just throw them to the wind, they will vote. Votes count. You ignore them, they come back to bite your a@@. I get so frustrated with this debate. I can find a reason to disagree with every living being on this planet. At some point, we have to find common ground if we want to move ahead. Ignoring is not a good idea.

Ignoring GOP wingnuts is.

re: #252 MandyManners

They HAD to arrest her. She appeared to be drunk.

I can be drunk and appear to be sober.

re: #253 Cato the Elder

Ignoring GOP wingnuts is.

Of course, you could try continuing to pander to them. That's worked out well lately.