Lovely. I love a good landscape. The Chicago Botanical Gardens are one my favorite places to visit.

I'm only seeing flora --did I get the wrong picture?

And why does my tab show a "Z" instead of a little green football?

That photo is begging to be photo shopped. An old timey big wheeled bicycle coming down the path, giraffes in the trees, and some woodland creatures gnawing on a skull underneath a bush maybe.

Verdant... our galaxy perhaps swarms with green planets like this one... green, the color of Earth's flora, perhaps elsewhere too... green, the color of... a Christmas tree.

A quiet scene calls for a quite song:

PIMF "quiet" x 2

So sad...
the little sea bird is just a memory now the mean wave has taken him.

Has there been any discussion of the reported hacking of Hadley Climate Research Centre?

I don't want to engage in the spreading of misinformation, but it looks like there has been some pretty damning stuff unearthed. Anyone seen this?

re: #7 HebrewToYou

Has there been any discussion of the reported hacking of Hadley Climate Research Centre?

I don't want to engage in the spreading of misinformation, but it looks like there has been some pretty damning stuff unearthed. Anyone seen this?

24 hour rule?

re: #8 ggt

I'm pretty skeptical myself seeing as this appears to be the wet dream of climate change deniers, but I thought it worthy of discussion.

re: #4 freetoken

Nice song. I had never heard it.
But now turn off your lights and listen to this story set in classic Lovecraft Country. The one has a great narrator.
The Picture in the House

...In such houses have dwelt generations of strange people, whose like the world has never seen. Seized with a gloomy and fanatical belief which exiled them from their kind, their ancestors sought the wilderness for freedom. There the scions of a conquering race indeed flourished free from the restrictions of their fellows, but cowered in an appalling slavery to the dismal phantasms of their own minds. Divorced from the enlightenment of civilization, the strength of these Puritans turned into singular channels; and in their isolation, morbid self-repression, and struggle for life with relentless Nature, there came to them dark furtive traits from the prehistoric depths of their cold Northern heritage. By necessity practical and by philosophy stern, these folks were not beautiful in their sins. Erring as all mortals must, they were forced by their rigid code to seek concealment above all else; so that they came to use less and less taste in what they concealed. Only the silent, sleepy, staring houses in the backwoods can tell all that has lain hidden since the early days, and they are not communicative, being loath to shake off the drowsiness which helps them forget. Sometimes one feels that it would be merciful to tear down these houses, for they must often dream...

And with that I bid you all good night.

re: #9 HebrewToYou

I'm pretty skeptical myself seeing as this appears to be the wet dream of climate change deniers, but I thought it worthy of discussion.

I'm with ggt. Let's wait 24 hours and then bring it up again if it still stands up.

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Works for me. :)

re: #7 HebrewToYou

Has there been any discussion of the reported hacking of Hadley Climate Research Centre?

I don't want to engage in the spreading of misinformation, but it looks like there has been some pretty damning stuff unearthed. Anyone seen this?

I'd like to see some reliable confirmation before I take that seriously, there is too much disinformation floating around in the AGW vs Anti-AGW fight.

Daydreaming of Vancouver. Scratch that - nightdreaming about Vancouver.

re: #8 ggt

24 hour rule?

Anonymous zip files? Heck, at least 48 hours!

re: #15 freetoken

My first thought when reading about this was the CBS National Guard story. A lot of people just want this stuff to be true.

re: #14 cliffster

The Winter Olympics? Or the Steam locomotives that are sure to show up during the Winter Olympics?

re: #15 freetoken

Anonymous zip files? Heck, at least 48 hours!

I've got the torrent downloading, just to check them over and see if they look real, over 3000 documents seems like a lot to fake, but you never know. Perhaps some are real and some aren't, like the damning e-mails which could easily be faked once you had a few authentic ones to copy from.

re: #15 freetoken

Anonymous zip files? Heck, at least 48 hours!

Right off the bat I'd need some explanation why CRU would have files hosted on a Russian server. That alone is enough for me to have no interest at this point.

weet dreams all!

I prefer: weet

re: #19 Bagua

Right off the bat I'd need some explanation why CRU would have files hosted on a Russian server. That alone is enough for me to have no interest at this point.

They weren't hosted there, the people spreading the stolen documents placed them there to allow others to download them.

re: #19 Bagua

Bagua, supposedly the Hadley Centre was hacked and the Russian server was simply hosting the pilfered content. The Russian server does not appear to be affiliated with the Centre in any way. I'm interested to get ausador's take on the zip contents once the torrent is downloaded.

re: #17 Fenway_Nation

The Winter Olympics? Or the Steam locomotives that are sure to show up during the Winter Olympics?

What are the locos for? Hauling tourist trains?

re: #21 ausador

They weren't hosted there, the people spreading the stolen documents placed them there to allow others to download them.

Ok, that's a bit better, lot's of stuff gets hosted in .ru to avoid prosecution and legal discovery and such.

I still want proof that this is not an elaborate hoax before taking the documents seriously.

Somebody keeps trying to break thru my firewall with false TCP/IP flagging, got at least one "leet haxor" in this torrent swarm.

re: #25 ausador

LOL. Silly script-kiddies...

I've got to get to bed. Goodnight, all.

Goodnite DF

Repost from the other thread, but the derelict-but-mostly-intact 1913 Canadian National Railway roundhouse in Hanna Alberta is in the running for a C$250,000 preservation grant. Suriving roundhouses are pretty rare, and given my bias towards most things iron horse, I would like to see this project secure the grant. I wholeheartedly encourage other lizards to head on over there and take a look at the Hanna Roundhouse Restoration Project or vote if they're so inclined (registration is required).

Also...effective yesterday, the Canadian National formally filed with Transport Canada to abandon the line between Lyalta, AB (just east of Calgary) to Oyen, AB (just west of the Saskatchewan border)- a total of 178 miles. Hanna and it's roundhouse lies approximately halfway between Calgary and the Sask border and a coalition of shippers and municipalities along the line called Badlands Railway Company are lobbying to take over operations.

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Fare thee well, avain raptor of the not-quite-as-eye-catching plumage persuasion.

I thought Fauna were animals ... ?

/ Maybe Charles is right. I must remember to send the wife a bouquet from Interfauna . A couple of sheep should be sufficient.

10,775 files...

No virus...

Looks like they pulled every doc on the server, still arranged as directories, the email is a seperate folder all 1073 of them.

This is going to take a while to look at.

re: #32 ausador

Being extracted in my virtual machine right now.

re: #25 ausador

Somebody keeps trying to break thru my firewall with false TCP/IP flagging, got at least one "leet haxor" in this torrent swarm.

Are you on XP or Vista? If so when was the last time you did a Windows update?

I would have to say these docs look awfully real to me, files with raw tree ring and coral core data. Proposals for grants, budgets, inter-office memos, etc, etc.

It would be one hell of a lot of work, thousands of hours, to fake all of this, not saying it isn't possible, it just doesn't seem likely.

re: #32 ausador

Interesting, many documents, emails, even a few photo's, files of computer codes.

Opened one email to a list with hundreds of email addresses, the spammers will love this.

re: #35 ausador

I also downloaded the files. I have to agree, it looks real. I can't imagine how many man hours it would take to fabricate this amount of documents. It's going to take a like amount of man-hours to decipher and understand the contents.

re: #35 ausador

I would have to say these docs look awfully real to me, files with raw tree ring and coral core data. Proposals for grants, budgets, inter-office memos, etc, etc.

It would be one hell of a lot of work, thousands of hours, to fake all of this, not saying it isn't possible, it just doesn't seem likely.

Just to play devil's advocate here, it might take thousands of hours to create such a collection from scratch. But another approach would be to perform an actual hack, snag all the files, and then "salt" them with misinformation.

At this point, some of the details - accounts of open fraud and collusion - seem a bit over the top. I agree that it's best to wait a bit on this one.

Ahh...now I know why the files are in mixed formats and so varied, check out HARY_READ_ME.txt

READ ME for Harry's work on the CRU TS2.1/3.0 datasets, 2006-2009!

1. Two main filesystems relevant to the work:

/cru/dpe1a/f014
/cru/tyn1/f014

Both systems copied in their entirety to /cru/cruts/

Nearly 11,000 files! And about a dozen assorted 'read me' files addressing
individual issues, the most useful being:

fromdpe1a/data/stnmon/doc/oldmethod/f90_READ_ME.txt
fromdpe1a/code/linux/cruts/_READ_ME.txt
fromdpe1a/code/idl/pro/README_GRIDDING.txt

(yes, they all have different name formats, and yes, one does begin '_'!)

(SNIP)

re: #37 Cheechako

I also downloaded the files. I have to agree, it looks real. I can't imagine how many man hours it would take to fabricate this amount of documents. It's going to take a like amount of man-hours to decipher and understand the contents.

Yep, too early to speak for the content, but, as questionably-sourced documents go, the quality at least, seems a few steps up from the recent CBS and Reuters points of reference.

re: #38 SixDegrees

Yeah I said that in my post #18, that with authentic emails to copy from making fakes would be childs play. But it is still good to remind people to take all this with a grain of salt, just because some of it appears real doesn't mean all of it is.

re: #40 Clemente

I agree it's too early to validate the contents. Plus it's going to take some very knowledgeable scientists to understand everything in the files.

Check out the marooned.jpg file in the reports section.

Wow! I just opened one of the files and I am shocked beyond belief...

... it turns out Elvis is alive after all.

re: #43 Bagua

Wow! I just opened one of the files and I am shocked beyond belief...

... it turns out Elvis is alive after all.

heh!

re: #43 Bagua

Wow! I just opened one of the files and I am shocked beyond belief...

... it turns out Elvis is alive after all.

"He didn't die, he just went home"

Tommy Lee Jones to Will Smith in Men In Black

re: #42 Cheechako

I agree it's too early to validate the contents. Plus it's going to take some very knowledgeable scientists to understand everything in the files.

Check out the marooned.jpg file in the reports section.

Yeah, I got nuthin'. Outside of an inside joke on that one.

re: #42 Cheechako

Check out the marooned.jpg file in the reports section.

Gee you think they are making fun of the warming deniers?
(Here Clemente)
Image: marooned.jpg

re: #47 ausador

It won't take long until the individuals are named.
Bless the intertubes!

Looking at all those data files made me sleepy. G'nite all.

Goodnight Cheechako

Damn you need a "ProTools" program to read a lot of these files, one that doesn't seem to be available from the site anymore. :(

[Link: cordis.europa.eu...]

Man what a scam this one is, a company is saying you can get a Gene Profile of your baby and they will tell you what the child will be good at. Like whether they will have musical talent or be good at sports or math or science. All so you will know if you should raise your kid as an artist or as a businessman...right.
Genes don't work that way asshats!

I like this bit of misdirection:
"Our Technology Spawned from Human Genome Project led by US Scientists. The Industry is Featured by CNN, CBS News."

No real text on the site, just a video of a guy yammering his BS at you.
[Link: www.mychildtalentprofile.com...]

No real text on the site, just a video of a guy yammering his BS at you.
[Link: [Link: www.mychildtalentprofile.com...]...]

I guess Vince the Sham Wow/ Slap Chop guy had to much going on to hire him for the video.
/

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

He's busy sucker-punching hookers, I guess.

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

He's busy sucker-punching nasty looking hookers, I guess.

FTFY.

Another reason I hate Harry Reid.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

"You can't vote against the health bill and call youself a black man."
Another reason to hate Jesse Jackson.
[Link: thehill.com...]

re: #52 ausador

Man what a scam this one is, a company is saying you can get a Gene Profile of your baby and they will tell you what the child will be good at. Like whether they will have musical talent or be good at sports or math or science. All so you will know if you should raise your kid as an artist or as a businessman...right.
Genes don't work that way asshats!

I like this bit of misdirection:
"Our Technology Spawned from Human Genome Project led by US Scientists. The Industry is Featured by CNN, CBS News."

No real text on the site, just a video of a guy yammering his BS at you.
[Link: www.mychildtalentprofile.com...]

But, can they tell me whether I will have an Indigo child or a Crystal child?

/

re: #58 SixDegrees

But, can they tell me whether I will have an Indigo child or a Crystal child?

/

I don't know, I didn't watch the whole video. ;)

/

From the "we didn't really think this thing through, did we?" file.
[Link: www.myfoxla.com...]

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not too effing bright.

re: #61 ausador

Not too effing bright.

"Dude, I got a great idea. Let's grow it next to the police station. They'll never expect it!!" (cough, cough. Hands bong to friend)

Second dude..."Awesome!!"

re: #2 ggt

I'm only seeing flora --did I get the wrong picture?

And why does my tab show a "Z" instead of a little green football?

Yes, I was also about to ask about the lack of visible fauna, unless you are talking about the aphids on the roses...

A bit of music...

Hmm, I thought the scientific method was to go where the data led you, not to massage the data to make it fit your pre-conceived conclusion.
This is part of one of those alleged stolen emails from the Hadley climate research center:

I really wish I could be more positive about the Kyrgyzstan material,
but I swear I pulled every trick out of my sleeve trying to milk
something out of that. It was pretty funny though - I told Malcolm
what you said about my possibly being too Graybill-like in evaluating
the response functions - he laughed and said that's what he thought
at first also. The data's tempting but there's too much variation
even within stands. I don't think it'd be productive to try and juggle
the chronology statistics any more than I already have

Not exactly a smoking gun by any means, but I'm a little concerned at the caviler attitude towards working to make the data say what you think it should.

re: #65 ausador

If you're not cheatin', you're not tryin'.
/

Good fences make good neighbors.

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good fences make good neighbors.

Its helps living on 5 acres.

Tippecanoe and Tyler too

I wonder if Ojoe knows that song, after all it got a Whig elected President...

What's hanging from your Christmas Tree?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

What's hanging from your Christmas Tree?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Not only decorative but functional too!

/

re: #72 ausador

Not only decorative but functional too!

/

Yea, but all Santa's cookies will be eaten.
/

re: #70 ausador

I wonder if Ojoe knows that song, after all it got a Whig elected President...

Heh...

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

From the "we didn't really think this thing through, did we?" file.
[Link: www.myfoxla.com...]

Are they gonna' kill all those precious buds?

re: #75 MandyManners

Are they gonna' kill all those precious buds?

You can have my buds when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

There's a new video of an ACORN worker advising someone on how to set up a house for hookers.

re: #77 MandyManners

There's a new video of an ACORN worker advising someone on how to set up a house for hookers.

This is ballsy.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

I used to grow my own when I lived in Alaska, of course it was legal there so no worries about the cops. Not a bad deal, your allowed to have as much as four ounces of bud for personal consumption and grow up to three plants. Of course with three healthy bushes you got a lot more than four ounces, but I solved that by selling (which was illegal) it. About once every three months I made an extra $1500-2200 that way, not a bad income supplement.

I had some real one hit sinse going and never had any problem getting rid of any I didn't need for myself. Everything was great till they started drug testing all the trade workers and I had to give it up...damn. I'll still take a hit or two every once in a great while but it has been about 13 years since I really toked.

I still worry what the cops down here will think if they ever see my pictures of my plants and grow room. I'll probably have a hard time explaining that it was in Alaska, lol.

re: #79 ausador

27 years.

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is ballsy.

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

And this message is to Attorney General Holder: I want you to know that we have more tapes, it’s not just ACORN, and we’re going to hold out until the next election cycle, or else if you want to do a clean investigation, we will give you the rest of what we have, we will comply with you, we will give you the documentation we have from countless ACORN whistleblowers who want to come forward but are fearful of this organization and the retribution that they fear that this is a dangerous organization.

I'd not give Holder the tapes or make any promises to comply with him.

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

27 years.

15 years. But at the end I barely inhaled. (serious) Love the taste, not the high.

MIR ALI, Pakistan – A suspected U.S. missile strike killed at least eight militants Friday in northwestern Pakistan, officials said, the second attack this week in an area believed to hold many insurgents who fled from an army offensive elsewhere in the Afghan border region.

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

RIP (rest in pestilence)

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MIR ALI, Pakistan – A suspected U.S. missile strike killed at least eight militants Friday in northwestern Pakistan, officials said, the second attack this week in an area believed to hold many insurgents who fled from an army offensive elsewhere in the Afghan border region.

One election promise Obama kept.
/

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MIR ALI, Pakistan – A suspected U.S. missile strike killed at least eight militants Friday in northwestern Pakistan, officials said, the second attack this week in an area believed to hold many insurgents who fled from an army offensive elsewhere in the Afghan border region.

"You stir them up and we'll take them out."

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

What was the sarc for? He has allowed the military to fuck people up since he's been in office.

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A drone got three yesterday in Waziristan.

I gotta call the job I worked at for 2 days and see if they are gonna pay me. I never hit a time clock of filled out paper work. D'oh!!!

Waziristan: I just love that word.

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

Magic 8 ball says...

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Magic 8 ball says...

Ooohhh..

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

I gotta call the job I worked at for 2 days and see if they are gonna pay me. I never hit a time clock of filled out paper work. D'oh!!!

"Akbar who? I'm sorry, never heard of him."

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. Wait. I get it. FBV? Thy name is dumb ass.

re: #94 ausador

"Akbar who? I'm sorry, never heard of him."

Not understanding the question.

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

I gotta call the job I worked at for 2 days and see if they are gonna pay me. I never hit a time clock of filled out paper work. D'oh!!!

That was rather half-baked of you.

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. Wait. I get it. FBV? Thy name is dumb ass.

What did the 8 ball say?!!

What your two day job will tell you on the phone...
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

I gotta call the job I worked at for 2 days and see if they are gonna pay me. I never hit a time clock of filled out paper work. D'oh!!!

Okay. Here's what I think.

They'll pay you. You worked there for two days. They never checked your citizen status? Never checked your ID? They've got problems if they don't.

re: #99 ausador

What your two day job will tell you on the phone...

Ah, you're killing my buzz, man.
/

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

I gotta call the job I worked at for 2 days and see if they are gonna pay me. I never hit a time clock of filled out paper work. D'oh!!!

Not exactly the recipe for financial success!

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think they'll pay me. The only thing I will miss is the really, really,really,really hot hostess. Did I mention she is hot?

re: #102 MandyManners

Not exactly the recipe for financial success!

Shut it!!!
/

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think they'll pay me. The only thing I will miss is the really, really,really,really hot hostess. Did I mention she is hot?

She toasted your muffins, eh?

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think they'll pay me. The only thing I will miss is the really, really,really,really hot hostess. Did I mention she is hot?

Get him back by stealing her away to your new job

Whipped your cream.

re: #107 MandyManners

Whipped your cream.

Gave you some really stiff peaks.

re: #107 MandyManners

Whipped your cream.

Scrambled his eggs?

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

Now you can hit on her.

(never poop where you eat)

re: #109 ausador

Scrambled his eggs?

Cooked his sausage.

Speaking of smoking dope.

Ricky Williams was fantastic last night.

I shouldn't have brought it up.:)

Scraped your pan.

Poached his fish.

re: #114 MandyManners

Buttered his toast?

Drizzled his sauce.

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Buttered his toast?

Baked his loaf.

Garnished his plate.

re: #118 MandyManners

Baked his loaf.

I don't let my meat loaf.

By 2010 that Acorn stuff will be yesterdays news, new video or not, I don't think too many folks will care. Besides the Acorn defenders will say that they were already punished by the de-funding and cleaned house since then blah blah blah...

No one is going to get too upset except the conspirocy believers who think Acorn can steal millions of votes across the country.

I like to make the cream to serve with my pumpkin pie but I always buy a can of the ReddiWip just in case I don't have time or screw it up. Well, the can has disappeared and I think I know who is the suspect.

re: #122 MandyManners

Let me guess... "Not me."? (Family Circus, Hat tip)

re: #122 MandyManners

I like to make the cream to serve with my pumpkin pie but I always buy a can of the ReddiWip just in case I don't have time or screw it up. Well, the can has disappeared and I think I know who is the suspect.

I hope he didn't inhale with the can upright, that stuff will get you completely ozoned.

re: #121 ausador

By 2010 that Acorn stuff will be yesterdays news, new video or not, I don't think too many folks will care. Besides the Acorn defenders will say that they were already punished by the de-funding and cleaned house since then blah blah blah...

No one is going to get too upset except the conspirocy believers who think Acorn can steal millions of votes across the country.

The new memes? Thinking ACORN should be held accountable makes one a conspiracy theorist. Thinking George Soros is a no-good, rotten, American-hating bastard makes one a conspiracy theorist.

re: #122 MandyManners

I like to make the cream to serve with my pumpkin pie but I always buy a can of the ReddiWip just in case I don't have time or screw it up. Well, the can has disappeared and I think I know who is the suspect.

I used to lock up the canned stuff. People would suck out the gas, get a 10 second buzz and the can would go flat. Not kidding.

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let me guess... "Not me."? (Family Circus, Hat tip)

Or, Ida Know.

re: #124 ausador

I hope he didn't inhale with the can upright, that stuff will get you completely ozoned.

I don't know for sure if he's eaten it. I'll gently question him on the way to school today.

re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can have a can of whip cream and not touch it. I can not leave a bowl of cool whip alone.

re: #125 MandyManners

The new memes? Thinking ACORN should be held accountable makes one a conspiracy theorist. Thinking George Soros is a no-good, rotten, American-hating bastard makes one a conspiracy theorist.

I thought if one thought ACORN should be held accountable it made you a racist

re: #128 MandyManners

I don't know for sure if he's eaten it. I'll gently question him on the way to school today.

Gently? I don't see you doing many thing gently.
/

re: #128 MandyManners

A mental image of Homer choking Bart just flashed thru my head.

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gmta

re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar

I used to lock up the canned stuff. People would suck out the gas, get a 10 second buzz and the can would go flat. Not kidding.

In high school I had a buddy who lived next to a large military arsenal. He used some of his farm equipment to get over the fence and steal a canister of nitrous oxide. I gave it a pass when I saw someone's lips turn blue.

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can have a can of whip cream and not touch it. I can not leave a bowl of cool whip alone.

You like that fake shit?

re: #135 MandyManners

You like that fake shit?

YES I DO.

re: #130 soxfan4life

I thought if one thought ACORN should be held accountable it made you a racist

That, too.

President Obama is a fuck up.

re: #134 MandyManners

I gave it a pass when I saw someone's lips turn blue.

Do it yourself Cyanosis!

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gently? I don't see you doing many thing gently.
/

I can do gentle.

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A mental image of Homer choking Bart just flashed thru my head.

I've been known to threaten to throttle him.

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

YES I DO.

Takes all kinds.

re: #139 SteveC

Do it yourself Cyanosis!

Not for me.

re: #138 TheMatrix31

And the circus begins. I'll be amazed if the Feds can get these cases done with before the 2012 elections.

re: #138 TheMatrix31

President Obama is a fuck up.

I can see that motion to dismiss filed.

Were they saying that to assure us? Did they not think for one second of the implications? They're ATTORNEYS.

re: #139 SteveC

Do it yourself Cyanosis!

re: #143 MandyManners

Not for me.

Mandy is a smart woman!

re: #146 SteveC

Mandy is a smart woman!

I didn't know what cyanosis was back then but, I knew lips shouldn't turn blue.

re: #125 MandyManners

The new memes? Thinking ACORN should be held accountable makes one a conspiracy theorist. Thinking George Soros is a no-good, rotten, American-hating bastard makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Not what I said, I said by late next year I didn't think the video would be much of a threat for the dems. And yes there are people who people who do use acorn as a conspiracy theory, like Hoffman and those that believe acorn stole the election from McCain. Just because I acknowledge that they exist doesn't mean that I'm not in favor of seeing Acorn slapped down hard for the legal violations they actually have committed.

It's gonna be so bad.

re: #138 TheMatrix31

President Obama is a fuck up.

Yes, but what else is new?

re: #145 MandyManners

I can see that motion to dismiss filed.

Were they saying that to assure us? Did they not think for one second of the implications? They're ATTORNEYS.

I think this is another example of simple incompetence. It's the sort of statement district attorney's and local prosecutors make all the time, but it doesn't transfer well at all to the lips of the nation's Attorney General.

I'm actually less worried about the potential impact described in the article than I am about the Administration's apparent inability to "get it."

re: #145 MandyManners

I can see that motion to dismiss filed.

Were they saying that to assure us? Did they not think for one second of the implications? They're ATTORNEYS.

It also taints the tribunals as Obama is CIC and will be accused of giving orders to the members of the tribunals.

Anyone get the banstick last night? I saw Stinky in the batting cage as I came in, so I figured he hadn't gotten very many swings lately.

re: #148 ausador

Not what I said, I said by late next year I didn't think the video would be much of a threat for the dems. And yes there are people who people who do use acorn as a conspiracy theory, like Hoffman and those that believe acorn stole the election from McCain. Just because I acknowledge that they exist doesn't mean that I'm not in favor of seeing Acorn slapped down hard for the legal violations they actually have committed.

ACORN was breaking election law long before Hoffman popped up.

Lately those two accusations have cropped up here. I'm not laying it at your feet. I just wanted to note that Lizards have been accused of being conspiracy theorists for mentioning those two issues.

re: #151 SixDegrees

I think this is another example of simple incompetence. It's the sort of statement district attorney's and local prosecutors make all the time, but it doesn't transfer well at all to the lips of the nation's Attorney General.

I'm actually less worried about the potential impact described in the article than I am about the Administration's apparent inability to "get it."

Another example of their tin ears.

re: #152 Cheechako

It also taints the tribunals as Obama is CIC and will be accused of giving orders to the members of the tribunals.

My perception is that they were talking about KSM's trial only but, I can see what you say.

re: #151 SixDegrees

re: #152 Cheechako

re: #150 ausador

re: #149 TheMatrix31

re: #145 MandyManners

GEORGE BUSH!

re: #153 SteveC

Anyone get the banstick last night? I saw Stinky in the batting cage as I came in, so I figured he hadn't gotten very many swings lately.

The hatchling seemed to offer a reasonable explanation.

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #152 Cheechako

re: #150 ausador

re: #149 TheMatrix31

re: #145 MandyManners

GEORGE BUSH!

Shiny thing?

re: #151 SixDegrees

I think this is another example of simple incompetence. It's the sort of statement district attorney's and local prosecutors make all the time, but it doesn't transfer well at all to the lips of the nation's Attorney General.
I'm actually less worried about the potential impact described in the article than I am about the Administration's apparent inability to "get it."

Senator Graham.
"So I ask you, Mr Holder, if we caught Osama Bin Laden tomorrow would he be read his Miranda Rights?"
Holder
"ummm,, errr,, well ,, ahhh ,,, ummm,,,{cough},,, errr,,, {cough, cough}".

If you want more info on the purloined climate data and e-mails this site has a lot of info:

http://www.climateaudit.org/

Looks like they are in a position to verify some of the e-mails.

re: #161 Cheechako

Bad link.

BTW, what is it about?

Hey, Matrix31, you starting trouble out there?
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Good morning all! It's beautiful out here in Jersey.

I've come to the probably scientific conclusion that beer can help me sleep earlier than I usually do.

/also good evening.

16 year old leaves hospital with Heart Pump

It's not permanent (they figure 2 years operating time) and it's not completely self contained, but hopefully it will help his heart hold together long enough for a transplant to come through.

re: #164 akarra

Good morning all! It's beautiful out here in Jersey.

DEEP IN THE HEART OF JERSEY!

re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey, Matrix31, you starting trouble out there?
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I can understand their outrage because $2,500.00 isn't chicken-feed for students but, "You are jeopardizing California's future" seems to ignore that higher taxes on the rest of the state's residents jeapordizes *their* futures.

re: #168 MandyManners

I can understand their outrage because $2,500.00 isn't chicken-feed for students but, "You are jeopardizing California's future" seems to ignore that higher taxes on the rest of the state's residents jeapordizes *their* futures.

Wait. Are you saying elected officials should be held accountable?

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wait. Are you saying elected officials should be held accountable?

Shhh.

Seriously, that's a lot of money for students.

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wait. Are you saying elected officials should be held accountable?

Damn, that's just... deep. Mind boggling!

re: #162 MandyManners

Bad link.

BTW, what is it about?

A research centres puters were hacked into dealing with Global Warming. If accurate, there are e-mails and charts that are, lets say embarrassing for the GW crowd

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

re: #170 MandyManners

Shhh.

Seriously, that's a lot of money for students.

I know. I remember seeing a movie and the girl went to the campus cafeteria and slammed creamers like milk. That's what popped into my head.

Climate Audit

Read the comments in the CRU article. Some of these people have e-mails which were sent to CRU and were part of the stolen loot. Right now they are unsure of the validity of the files and e-mails but it looks like they have the resources and knowledge to verify if all or parts of the stolen data is legit.

re: #172 sattv4u2

A research centres puters were hacked into dealing with Global Warming. If accurate, there are e-mails and charts that are, lets say embarrassing for the GW crowd

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

Ausador's No. 65 is interesting, to say the least.

Just wait. Those who claim manipulation will be called troglodytes and deniers.

California. Our debt is bigger then your debt. (new car tag motto)
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

For those who dinged my (NUMBER 1 COMMENT) thank you very much for your kindness.

re: #175 MandyManners

Ausador's No. 65 is interesting, to say the least.

Just wait. Those who claim manipulation will be called troglodytes and deniers.

Then I saw her face
Now I'm a denier
Not a trace
of belief in my mind

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know. I remember seeing a movie and the girl went to the campus cafeteria and slammed creamers like milk.

I remember a movie kind of like that...

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know. I remember seeing a movie and the girl went to the campus cafeteria and slammed creamers like milk. That's what popped into my head.

Reminds me of the time when I was in a coffee shop and The Kid was a young, young toddler--still in a high chair. He reached for one of those little sealed cream cups and shoved it into his mouth before I could react. Much hilarity ensued.

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DEEP IN THE HEART OF JERSEY!

*looks up song*

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For those who dinged my (NUMBER 1 COMMENT) thank you very much for your kindness.

I missed that last night so I dinged you a few seconds ago.

(((FBV)))

re: #180 MandyManners

Reminds me of the time when I was in a coffee shop and The Kid was a young, young toddler--still in a high chair. He reached for one of those little sealed cream cups and shoved it into his mouth before I could react. Much hilarity ensued.

I was at a bar once, eating the olives from the garnish tray. Bartender said, "This isn't a buffet." Heh.

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For those who dinged my (NUMBER 1 COMMENT) thank you very much for your kindness.

It's all part of the service!

Go back later and you'll never see that name in the comment list. Downdingers are quick on the button but never say good morning, up yours, da hoss you rode in on, or anything.

Boo! That's not the way the game is played!

re: #180 MandyManners

Reminds me of the time when I was in a coffee shop and The Kid was a young, young toddler--still in a high chair. He reached for one of those little sealed cream cups and shoved it into his mouth before I could react. Much hilarity ensued.

You're lucky. My mom says that when I was a toddler I drank the ink out of a pen.

re: #178 SteveC

Then I saw her face
Now I'm a denier
Not a trace
of belief in my mind

Now I have that song in my mind.

Here's my anti-dote.

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was at a bar once, eating the olives from the garnish tray. Bartender said, "This isn't a buffet." Heh.

He didn't thwap you with his towel?

re: #185 laZardo

You're lucky. My mom says that when I was a toddler I drank the ink out of a pen.

Was your poop colorful for a while?

Seriously, trip to the ER?

re: #187 MandyManners

He didn't thwap you with his towel?

I am a good tipper.

re: #188 MandyManners

She said she called the CDC, but they assured her it wasn't that serious.

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am a good tipper.

All is forgiven.

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am a good tipper.

In bed.

/mmm, towel play.

//braces

re: #190 laZardo

She said she called the CDC, but they assured her it wasn't that serious.

Was your tongue funny colored?

re: #180 MandyManners

Reminds me of the time when I was in a coffee shop and The Kid was a young, young toddler--still in a high chair. He reached for one of those little sealed cream cups and shoved it into his mouth before I could react. Much hilarity ensued.

My niece only knew two drinks when she was learning to talk: "Pepi" and "Spite". I had a clear drink and she pointed and said "Spite! Spite!" so I poured her a little.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Ginger Ale!

re: #182 MandyManners

Thanks Mandy. His funeral is 9 days after his death. People are coming from all over the world for his funeral.

re: #194 SteveC

My niece only knew two drinks when she was learning to talk: "Pepi" and "Spite". I had a clear drink and she pointed and said "Spite! Spite!" so I poured her a little.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Ginger Ale!

I thought you were gonna say Vodka. My bad.:)

re: #193 MandyManners

Most likely. I'll have to ask (again). >_>

re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought you were gonna say Vodka. My bad.:)

Not to a child that young!

//I gave her another six months...

re: #194 SteveC

My niece only knew two drinks when she was learning to talk: "Pepi" and "Spite". I had a clear drink and she pointed and said "Spite! Spite!" so I poured her a little.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Ginger Ale!

I tried to get The Kid interested in Ginger Ale a while back but he refused, saying it had ginger in it. When I tried to get him to explain what he had against ginger, he came up blank.

bbiasec

re: #199 MandyManners

I tried to get The Kid interested in Ginger Ale a while back but he refused, saying it had ginger in it. When I tried to get him to explain what he had against ginger, he came up blank.

Maybe he likes Mary Ann.

re: #199 MandyManners

I tried to get The Kid interested in Ginger Ale a while back but he refused, saying it had ginger in it. When I tried to get him to explain what he had against ginger, he came up blank.

He's been watching too much South Park?

re: #181 akarra

*looks up song*

Uncle Floyd!

re: #199 MandyManners

When I tried to get him to explain what he had against ginger, he came up blank.

Mary Ann does go down a little bit easier...!

re: #180 MandyManners

re: #194 SteveC

My niece only knew two drinks when she was learning to talk: "Pepi" and "Spite". I had a clear drink and she pointed and said "Spite! Spite!" so I poured her a little.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Ginger Ale!

After my son got his 1st taste of Ginger Ale, it was his drink of choice (of course0

We would fill his little sipppy cup, and when he had drained it he would hold it out to us with boith hands and say
"More G, Pease!"

Cute and polite at the same time!

re: #202 SixDegrees

He's been watching too much South Park?

I'd take his television for that!

re: #20 ggt

weet dreams all!

I prefer: weet

w00t!

re: #205 sattv4u2

re: #194 SteveC

We would fill his little sipppy cup, and when he had drained it he would hold it out to us with boith hands and say
"More G, Pease!"

Cute and polite gangsta at the same time!

fix'd, dawg. :B

re: #207 ryannon

w00t!

Eet!

CCA...hell no! Not protesting.

Anyone who asks me what I think, I tell them "That's what you get for electing dumbass tax-and-spenders who support any and every nonsensical CA cause. These students are most likely to support the idiots who drove this state into a ditch, and they don't understand the hypocrisy.

Freakin nuisances on campus though. Helicopters, noise, idiot protesters wearing stupid ass shirts, etc.

re: #209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eet!

I've never heard of her. Very nice. Thanks for posting it!

re: #210 TheMatrix31

CCA...hell no! Not protesting.

Anyone who asks me what I think, I tell them "That's what you get for electing dumbass tax-and-spenders who support any and every nonsensical CA cause. These students are most likely to support the idiots who drove this state into a ditch, and they don't understand the hypocrisy.

Freakin nuisances on campus though. Helicopters, noise, idiot protesters wearing stupid ass shirts, etc.

That's why I'm most likely to end up in Washington State if I ever move back to America.

/wait. FFFUUU-

re: #210 TheMatrix31

CCA...hell no! Not protesting.

Anyone who asks me what I think, I tell them "That's what you get for electing dumbass tax-and-spenders who support any and every nonsensical CA cause. These students are most likely to support the idiots who drove this state into a ditch, and they don't understand the hypocrisy.

Freakin nuisances on campus though. Helicopters, noise, idiot protesters wearing stupid ass shirts, etc.

How can a 20-year-old person be responsible for the decisions made in Sacramento over the past 10+ years?

Sorry to hear your loss, FBA.

re: #211 MandyManners

She's fantastic, Mandy.

re: #212 laZardo

That's why I'm most likely to end up in Washington State if I ever move back to America.

/wait. FFFUUU-

Why not move to a Red state?

re: #213 MandyManners

I'm speaking theoretically who they would have thrown their support behind. It's a lesson in intelligence and fiscal conservatism that people my age NEED to understand, for future's sake.

re: #214 TheMatrix31

Thanks.

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She's fantastic, Mandy.

Beats Britney, et al., all to hell. They're not even in the same league!

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV*

/It's late :(

re: #217 TheMatrix31

I'm speaking theoretically who they would have thrown their support behind. It's a lesson in intelligence and fiscal conservatism that people my age NEED to understand, for future's sake.

Well, they're young. I was a flaming Commie at that age. But, I was a trustafarian, too.

re: #216 MandyManners

Why not move to a Red state?

"We can't stop here! This is racist country!"

/trying to recall what my dad once said about my wanting to move back to America.

re: #219 MandyManners

Hers' was the CD Charles was listening to the other day. I had only heard of her a few days before that.

Morning all

re: #220 TheMatrix31

I know what you meant, and I thank you.

re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know what you meant, and I thank you.

I don't know if I gave you my condolences, but if I didn't, I am now.

re: #221 MandyManners

Well, they're young. I was a flaming Commie at that age. But, I was a trustafarian, too.

Curiously, the one good thing my "conservative phase" (ended sometime during my November '08-January '09 hiatus from LGF) left me with was a strong intolerance for political BS.

re: #221 MandyManners

Hopefully others are mentioning my point as well so they can learn quicker!

/CA is so screwed
//Hate being the only one my age who realizes the hypocrisy

re: #222 laZardo

"We can't stop here! This is racist country!"

/trying to recall what my dad once said about my wanting to move back to America.

Bigotry about bigotry, eh?

re: #228 TheMatrix31

Hopefully others are mentioning my point as well so they can learn quicker!

/CA is so screwed
//Hate being the only one my age who realizes the hypocrisy

I doubt you are. Is there a Young Republican group in the area? You could call the county GOP to find out.

re: #229 MandyManners

Pretty much.

On a more serious note, not many colleges offering transportation design out there. Those are mainly on either coast or in Detroit.

/rock, hard place, etc.

Gotta' git.

re: #228 TheMatrix31

Hopefully others are mentioning my point as well so they can learn quicker!

/CA is so screwed
//Hate being the only one my age who realizes the hypocrisy

I'm a year older than you. :P

/no, not resentful about you taking my "youngest LGF user" tiara crown. :D

re: #232 MandyManners

Gotta' git.

Later.

re: #231 laZardo

Pretty much.

On a more serious note, not many colleges offering transportation design out there. Those are mainly on either coast or in Detroit.

/rock, hard place, etc.

Well, Detroit currently has the advantage of being cheap.

Hell, if I had known, me and a few friends could've gotten together and bought the Silverdome last week.

If we had scraped together another half million, they probably would have tossed in the Lions. And maybe the Woverines.

re: #230 MandyManners

There's gotta be. I should look into it...maybe it'll make me happier about living in LA, because I'm not at all nor have I ever been happy about that.

re: #235 SixDegrees

I saw that the other day, they wanted like 500k right? how much did they say it was costing them per year just for the upkeep? 300k?

re: #235 SixDegrees

Buy the dome and get the Wings to play there. PROFIT!!!

re: #235 SixDegrees

Well, Detroit currently has the advantage of being cheap.

Hell, if I had known, me and a few friends could've gotten together and bought the Silverdome last week.

If we had scraped together another half million, they probably would have tossed in the Lions. And maybe the Woverines.

Cheap and beautiful.

/embedding disabled.

re: #237 RogueOne

I saw that the other day, they wanted like 500k right? how much did they say it was costing them per year just for the upkeep? 300k?

It sold for $583k; it cost over $55 million to build, originally.

Maintenance is expensive - something like a million per year. The biggest cost is electricity - you have to keep the fans running constantly to keep the roof inflated, so unlike most vacant buildings it doesn't just sit there costing nothing.

There's something very stinky about this sale. Just a month ago, another bidder offered $15 million for the site and was turned down. The deal struck at auction landed in court almost instantly, as it should. We're talking about ~150 acres in a prime suburban location with excellent freeway access; the land alone is worth at least a hundred times more than the selling price. I smell graft and corruption, but it's hard to tell just where such stenches emanate from around here these days, since we're bombarded with them from all sides.

re: #240 SixDegrees

Rep Conyers' wife was the real estate agent?

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rep Conyers' wife was the real estate agent?

I believe the good mayor of Pontiac is involved, who gives Conyers a run for her money in the graft department.

bbiam

re: #239 laZardo

Can't YouTube here at work. I'm sure it's something flattering and complimentary, though.

re: #244 SixDegrees

Can't YouTube here at work. I'm sure it's something flattering and complimentary, though.

You may have forgot your sarc slash, it's that Eminem video showing what looks like that stadium you mentioned being torn down.

re: #245 laZardo

You may have forgot your sarc slash, it's that Eminem video showing what looks like that stadium you mentioned being torn down.

Must be another one, probably Tiger Stadium. The Silverdome is still standing.

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just saw your "number one" comment, updinged: I'm sorry for your loss.

re: #246 SixDegrees

Must be another one, probably Tiger Stadium. The Silverdome is still standing.

Yeah, that's the one.

re: #247 akarra

Just saw your "number one" comment, updinged: I'm sorry for your loss.

Same here. Updinged in memory of a US Marine.

Good morning lizards.

re: #248 laZardo

Yeah, that's the one.

Don't even get me started on that catastrophe. Fucking bastard assholes.

Good night, guys.

I just saw the AGW link. All I have to say is Holy Shit!

re: #251 TheMatrix31

G'night!

re: #250 SixDegrees

Don't even get me started on that catastrophe. Fucking bastard assholes.

Reading about it on Wiki.

Wow.

I just posted my first spin-off link. I posted it in a thread yesterday evening but had to run.

A young soldier gets paralyzed after getting an immunization shot before heading overseas. He's completely paralyzed from the waist down and the VA is refusing to pay for his injury. I'm posting it again because this soldiers story needs to get out there just to shame the VA into doing what's right.

Here's the news account:
[Link: www.komu.com...]

and here is his blog:
[Link: joelopeztsgli.blogspot.com...]

The VA won't pay for vaccination injuries because they say it will get too expensive to cover. According to this soldier he can only find 10 people who have come down with this type of injury. If they can't afford to take care of those 10 soldiers maybe then can take a billion or two from the shamulus bill and pop it on over to the VA budget.

re: #252 NJDhockeyfan

I just saw the AGW link. All I have to say is Holy Shit!

Don;'t get too excited. 24 hour rule. Don't let it come back to bite you (us) in the ass

BUt ,,, if it does prove out ,,, Oh My My My !!

mmm, mmm, mmm !!

re: #256 sattv4u2

Don;'t get too excited. 24 hour rule. Don't let it come back to bite you (us) in the ass

BUt ,,, if it does prove out ,,, Oh My My My !!

mmm, mmm, mmm !!

I just started to read the comments on Watts Up With That?. There is a load of fact checking going on. So far this appears to be legit.