He's just like that little creep Kyle Bristow, but much less honest. Pols need to have their folks watching out for this guy wanting photo ops, one day that's going to be totally damning. It's probably not now, but not far from now either.

Boy gets around, doesn't he.

I've got a photo of myself with Bill Clinton, shot at a reception in Beantown. No reflection on him or me.

re: #1 Thanos

Pols need to have their folks watching out for this guy wanting photo ops, one day that's going to be totally damning.

"And here's me and Hitler at Oktoberfest. Boy were we wasted!"

That's what RSM looks like? Reminds me of a perverted pediatrist. Urbane spokesman for the aristocratic South he ain't/

Why do some people insist on flushing the whole Republican Party down along with themselves?

What happened to Stacy's eyebrows? Singed off in the flame of truth?

I can see how that chick made a convincing prostitute for the sting tapes, but the dude? C'mon, how could even the dumbest ACORN worker take him for an actual pimp?

Kid on the right there (youngish fellow) reminds me of the son of a dentist with whom I went to high school. Looks about like what he'd look like if he were a bit taller, had taken to drink, and were particularly pleased with himself.

re: #7 Cato the Elder

What happened to Stacy's eyebrows? Singed off in the flame of truth?

I can see how that chick made a convincing prostitute for the sting tapes, but the dude? C'mon, how could even the dumbest ACORN worker take him for an actual pimp?

He bought some clothes at a Dennis Rodman yard sale.

They've threatened to release more tapes just before the 2010 elections if the AG doesn't start an investigation.

In case you were wondering how pure their motives are.

I'm gonna' be charitable and assume they don't know about his White Supremacism.

re: #11 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be charitable and assume they don't know about his White Supremacism.

And I'm gonna be cynical and assume they would listen to Stacy and buy his bullshit excuses.

re: #11 MandyManners

I don't think they'd care, either.

re: #10 erraticsphinx

They've threatened to release more tapes just before the 2010 elections if the AG doesn't start an investigation.

In case you were wondering how pure their motives are.

And who's surprised? No one. Question is, though, do they have enough to warrant an AG investigation? Holder appears to have fairly high standards for proceeding with investigations of this class, and it's likely he would find nothing objectionable at all in what ACORN had done.

re: #13 erraticsphinx

I don't think they'd care, either.

Why would you think that?

re: #15 NJDhockeyfan

Why would you think that?

Because a whole lot of right wing bloggers and politicians DO know about McCain's white supremacist and neo-Confederate opinions, and none of them care.

re: #16 Charles

Because a whole lot of right wing bloggers and politicians DO know about McCain's white supremacist and neo-Confederate opinions, and none of them care.

Good point.

re: #3 Guanxi88

I've got a photo of myself with Bill Clinton, shot at a reception in Beantown. No reflection on him or me.

Might be if you run as a moderate in a GOP primary.

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Might be if you run as a moderate in a GOP primary.

That's all right. I've got a photo of me with Buchanan, too. I'm flipping off the camera at the time, though.

re: #15 NJDhockeyfan

It would definitely be quite shocking if they did care, and the "pimp" in the duo has an er, interesting history of holding "affirmative action back sales" (where baked good cost different depending on whether you're black or white ha ha ha ha), and also protested lucky charms (because they are offensive to the Irish).

You might say they love to stir the racial pot.

re: #19 Guanxi88

Gee, you do have political skills.

re: #20 erraticsphinx

It would definitely be quite shocking if they did care, and the "pimp" in the duo has an er, interesting history of holding "affirmative action back sales" (where baked good cost different depending on whether you're black or white ha ha ha ha), and also protested lucky charms (because they are offensive to the Irish).

You might say they love to stir the racial pot.

Baby got back sales?

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Gee, you do have political skills.

A good suit, a nice quiet tie, and a glib and likely demeanor with just a tinge of aristocratic weltschmertz can get anyone in anywhere.

re: #23 Guanxi88

A good suit, a nice quiet tie, and a glib and likely demeanor with just a tinge of aristocratic weltschmertz can get anyone in anywhere.

Most important thing I ever learned in highschool (private school, wore a uniform).

Weltschmertz is good on rye crackers.

re: #23 Guanxi88

A good suit, a nice quiet tie, and a glib and likely demeanor with just a tinge of aristocratic weltschmertz can get anyone in anywhere.

Yeah, but I can't seem to hide my crazy pirate eyes. The bouncers see that and the suit turns into a square-tailed coat with big gold buttons and a brace of pistols sticking out of the pockets. I might as well wear a Jolly Roger pin.

Those dudes look related.

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Weltschmertz is good on rye crackers.

You're thinking of Weltschmaltz.

re: #28 Cato the Elder

You're thinking of Weltschmaltz.

Has the obesity epidemic gone global?

re: #27 webevintage

Those dudes look related.

It's an elective affinity.

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Yeah, but I can't seem to hide my crazy pirate eyes. The bouncers see that and the suit turns into a square-tailed coat with big gold buttons and a brace of pistols sticking out of the pockets. I might as well wear a Jolly Roger pin.

Trick with those is to get a good pair of glasses. Ya got the pirate eyes, so ya wanna wear the horn-rimmed spectacles, not the plastic frames but the real black buffalo horn ones. The eyes immediately lose their crazed and piratical character.

Me? I've got shifty little beady eyes. So, I go with the smallish round spec's with silver frames.

re: #30 Cato the Elder

It's an elective affinity.

That you, Goethe?

I would only have a problem if those stingers knew how much a creep he is. Guilt by picture association?

If Holden didn't prosecute those "new black panthers" he's not going to do jack with ACORN.

thats.not.good.

re: #31 Guanxi88

Me? I've got shifty little beady eyes. So, I go with the smallish round spec's with silver frames.

Col Sanders, is that you?

re: #32 Guanxi88

That you, Goethe?

Ich bin der Geist der steht "downding".

re: #11 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be charitable and assume they don't know about his White Supremacism.

Well even if they do their motives however ill they may or may not be do not change their findings.

re: #32 Guanxi88

That you, Goethe?

The fun part about having multiple personalities is that sometimes one of your personalities is also multiple. Wheels within wheels!

re: #31 Guanxi88

Trick with those is to get a good pair of glasses. Ya got the pirate eyes, so ya wanna wear the horn-rimmed spectacles, not the plastic frames but the real black buffalo horn ones. The eyes immediately lose their crazed and piratical character.

Me? I've got shifty little beady eyes. So, I go with the smallish round spec's with silver frames.

I've yet to have a passport where I didn't look like a gun runner. I'm not a tough guy, I just look like one when I don't smile. It's cool tho, I love repacking my bags every time I go through customs.

re: #33 badger1970

Well, the 'stingers' are not proceeding in any way that would be in the least bit useful to a criminal prosecution. They are themselves breaking the law when they do their 'sting', at least in California.

It would appear that ACORN is on a fast track to being re-painted (and re-habilitated) as the victim. It's raaacism, see?

But who's driving the train, and throwing the switches (metaphorically speaking)?

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Ich bin der Geist der steht stets "downdings".

Just for Goethe's sake.

re: #40 obdicut

Well, the 'stingers' are not proceeding in any way that would be in the least bit useful to a criminal prosecution. They are themselves breaking the law when they do their 'sting', at least in California.

Didn't Jerry Brown do the same thing, or am I remembering something else?

re: #10 erraticsphinx

They've threatened to release more tapes just before the 2010 elections if the AG doesn't start an investigation.

So they are trying to blackmail the Attorney General of the United States?

(btw, I do think ACORN should be investigated for whatever laws they may have broken, just prefer the outrage dial be turned down a bit from the right)

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Thanks--It's been a long while.

See, now look. The dentist's son on the right of the picture is committing one of the most footling errors. His pocket square matches his tie. Makes him look even more foolish than otherwise he might have. Probably came with the tie, which is a dead giveaway that that's not the tie you want, by the way. Shoulda been a simple white square, folded into a neat rectangle protruding not more than about a half inch (if that) over the top of the pocket.

Knot on the tie is all wrong - probably the same knot he used on the tie at his first frat mixer.

Shirt's got the oxford collar, which is OK with the sports coat, but a no-no with a suit. Stripes on the shirt & a patterned tie probably don't work in this case - too many angles.

Kid's a train-wreck right outta the box, and that's without knowing anything about him or what he stands for. If he can't even project the image of importance and seriousness, how the hell can he expect to be taken seriously? This little thing (his sartorial foul-ups) shows me that he's got no manager or minder to keep RSM et al away. He'll screw up royally. Just wait.

re: #39 McSpiff

A friend of mine is named Bang Kil Soon. Never without a hassle at the airport.

re: #38 Cato the Elder

The fun part about having multiple personalities is that sometimes one of your personalities is also multiple. Wheels within wheels!

That you, Ezekiel?

re: #43 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't Jerry Brown do the same thing, or am I remembering something else?

Well, recording someone without revealing that you're recording them is criminal in Cali-- I forget if consent is necessary, but you have to state that you're recording them. I don't follow the Brown Rice Golden Boy's doings all that carefully, so I have no clue if Brown did or not.

re: #47 obdicut

A friend of mine is named Bang Kil Soon. Never without a hassle at the airport.

Now thats just unfortunate...

I had a classmate with dual Canadian-Iranian citizenship. Refuses to fly using his canadian ID, even domestically. Would hold the whole group up...

re: #46 Guanxi88

Me next! What does my photo tell you about me?

Hey Robert Stacy McCain!

re: #37 brookly red

Well even if they do their motives however ill they may or may not be do not change their findings.

Precisely.

re: #46 Guanxi88

Not only that, but his suit-jacket is unbuttoned, while Stacy's is buttoned. Makes the kid look like a bounder.

And anyone who's still tying a half-Windsor knot past the age of sixteen will be on the dole by 28.

re: #46 Guanxi88
re: #54 Cato the Elder

Well, now I just feel self conscience.

re: #50 McSpiff

Yeah, and my Fiancee's boss is named "Neil Shah". He's an eminent oncologist, but he gets pulled out almost every time.

God, I hate the TSA.

re: #51 bosforus

Me next! What does my photo tell you about me?

You're too easy--don't use your booking photo next time.

It just reinforces this idea that they're not about ideas but rather about take-downs. It's a society of who can we defeat not how can we do it better.

Dammit, there was a time when our politicians and parties fought over who had the better idea. Now it's a game over who can force the other team to accomplish the least.

We won!

re: #53 MandyManners

Precisely.

I think it may be a chicken/egg thing... they were unknown before the ACORN thing, and now they are being welcomed by those who would find their work uhhh, useful.

re: #58 Cineaste

(snip)

We won!

Waterloo!!

re: #58 Cineaste

[...] Dammit, there was a time when our politicians and parties fought over who had the better idea. [...]

Back during the Constitutional Convention?

re: #56 obdicut

Thing is, if the group you're up against is half way intelligent than racial profiling just wont work. Like usual, Israel learned this the hard way decades ago in their own WoT, so I'll just link accordingly:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #51 bosforus

Me next! What does my photo tell you about me?

As pictured, I see you're wearing a plain white crew-necked undershirt - very much the correct and appropriate undergarment - with a long-sleeved, shirt. Collar is open, but I am unable to determine collar type. From what I can discern of the color of the shirt, it appears to be a solid color of some tightly-woven spun material.

From lighting and the position of your hand, I can tell that you have just awakened in a room you've never seen before and are listening to a recording telling you that the key to the safe that contains the antidote is implanted in one of four surgical wounds on your back, that there is a grapefruit spoon on the table before you, and that you have ten minutes before the poison takes effect.

Uh oh, I voted for a guy that mentioned, in an interview, that he likes a kid that had his picture taken with a white supremacist.

re: #59 brookly red

I'm finding their work useful, but do not pal around with racists.

re: #55 McSpiff

re: #54 Cato the Elder

Well, now I just feel self conscience.

It's not your fault that our society has so failed young gentlemen by failing to provide guidance in matters of clothing and how to wear it.

re: #58 Cineaste

Now it's a game over who can force the other team to accomplish the least.

R_x The Modern Whig Party.

Whig Video.

re: #67 Ojoe

R_x The Modern Whig Party.

Whig Video.

Go, Ojoe, go!

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm finding their work useful, but do not pal around with racists.

True that...

re: #59 brookly red

I think it may be a chicken/egg thing... they were unknown before the ACORN thing, and now they are being welcomed by those who would find their work uhhh, useful.

O'Keefe wasn't exactly an unknown. He exposed what some would call rank racism at Planned Parenthood about three years ago.

re: #68 cliffster

Go Whigs Go !

re: #66 Guanxi88

It's not your fault that our society has so failed young gentlemen by failing to provide guidance in matters of clothing and how to wear it.

I do way too much by trial and error. Also reminds me that I need to do some shopping for winter break...

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm finding their work useful, but do not pal around with racists.

I still don't do the guilt by association thing, especially after the fact.

re: #71 Ojoe

Go Whigs Go !

What are your chances in the semi-finals?

re: #64 cliffster

Uh oh, I voted for a guy that mentioned, in an interview, that he likes a kid that had his picture taken with a white supremacist.

How many degrees of separation is that?

re: #63 Guanxi88

If only you had known my collar type you would have known that there are actually 5 surgical wounds in my back! But everything else was pretty dead-on.
Ctrl + a on my photo to see my collar type.

While this is unsettling and I don't think McCain should be getting into any GOP events, I don't think this necessarily reflects bad on these two.

There was no doubt quite a line of people waiting to get their picture taken with this pair, and posing for a picture at events like this is just sort of normal.

Nonetheless, it's still unfortunate.

OT:

Real Climate responds to the Hadley Climate Research Unit computer file compromise.

The CRU hack

As many of you will be aware, a large number of emails from the University of East Anglia webmail server were hacked recently (Despite some confusion generated by Anthony Watts, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Hadley Centre which is a completely separate institution). As people are also no doubt aware the breaking into of computers and releasing private information is illegal, and regardless of how they were obtained, posting private correspondence without permission is unethical. We therefore aren’t going to post any of the emails here. We were made aware of the existence of this archive last Tuesday morning when the hackers attempted to upload it to RealClimate, and we notified CRU of their possible security breach later that day.

Nonetheless, these emails (a presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?) correspondence dating back to 1996 and as recently as Nov 12) are being widely circulated, and therefore require some comment. Some of them involve people here (and the archive includes the first RealClimate email we ever sent out to colleagues) and include discussions we’ve had with the CRU folk on topics related to the surface temperature record and some paleo-related issues, mainly to ensure that posting were accurate.

Since emails are normally intended to be private, people writing them are, shall we say, somewhat freer in expressing themselves than they would in a public statement. For instance, we are sure it comes as no shock to know that many scientists do not hold Steve McIntyre in high regard. Nor that a large group of them thought that the Soon and Baliunas (2003), Douglass et al (2008) or McClean et al (2009) papers were not very good (to say the least) and should not have been published. These sentiments have been made abundantly clear in the literature (though possibly less bluntly).

More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

[snip]

re: #74 Decatur Deb

LOL !

And when I was a kid there were no play-offs in baseball.

re: #77 astronmr20

agreed - the main story here is that RSM was at the GOP event and not the picture.

re: #70 MandyManners

O'Keefe wasn't exactly an unknown. He exposed what some would call rank racism at Planned Parenthood about three years ago.

Does this mean he cares deeply about exposing racism among lefties, but either has no clue or does not care about racism among the righties?

re: #70 MandyManners

O'Keefe wasn't exactly an unknown. He exposed what some would call rank racism at Planned Parenthood about three years ago.

I did not know that... so once an exposer of racism & now accused of it?
I am not sure what to think...

re: #79 Ojoe

Weekly persistence ding.

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Thank you.

BBL

re: #82 brookly red

I did not know that... so once an exposer of racism & now accused of it?
I am not sure what to think...

There's a simple word for it: opportunism.

Bible Spice handbook, p. 2.

re: #7 Cato the Elder

What happened to Stacy's eyebrows? Singed off in the flame of truth?

I can see how that chick made a convincing prostitute for the sting tapes, but the dude? C'mon, how could even the dumbest ACORN worker take him for an actual pimp?

I've seen pictures of those two in their get-ups. No one who works in an urban area thought they were genuine. I really can't speak to what was going on there, but no one thought they were for real.

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

I've seen pictures of those two in their get-ups. No one who works in an urban area thought they were genuine. I really can't speak to what was going on there, but no one thought they were for real.

I wonder if the ACORN people thought they were on Candid Camera and just played along...

re: #81 wrenchwench

Does this mean he cares deeply about exposing racism among lefties, but either has no clue or does not care about racism among the righties?

Not necessarily. We don't know what he knows about McCain. As astronmr noted in No. 77, these kinds of photographs are par for the course at such gatherings.

re: #85 Cato the Elder

There's a simple word for it: opportunism.

Bible Spice handbook, p. 2.

touche. but that changes nothing about the nature of ACORN.

re: #82 brookly red

I did not know that... so once an exposer of racism & now accused of it?
I am not sure what to think...

Lemme' see what I can find about the PP thing. brb

re: #88 MandyManners

Not necessarily. We don't know what he knows about McCain. As astronmr noted in No. 77, these kinds of photographs are par for the course at such gatherings.

And it's a lot harder to discern Stacy's agenda since he shaved off the Hitler mustache.

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

I've seen pictures of those two in their get-ups. No one who works in an urban area thought they were genuine. I really can't speak to what was going on there, but no one thought they were for real.

They were dressed the part.

re: #81 wrenchwench

Does this mean he cares deeply about exposing racism among lefties, but either has no clue or does not care about racism among the righties?

So if you were hanging out at a party, were talking to some guy you just met, and a cameraman came by and said, "Smile!", what would you do?

re: #93 cliffster

So if you were hanging out at a party, were talking to some guy you just met, and a cameraman came by and said, "Smile!", what would you do?

Depends if I was wearing my dog suit or not.

re: #67 Ojoe

R_x The Modern Whig Party.

Whig Video.

When are you going to answer the policy issues I inquired to you about?

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

When are you going to answer the policy issues I inquired to you about?

When the Whig party gets around to thinking about them?

re: #20 erraticsphinx

It would definitely be quite shocking if they did care, and the "pimp" in the duo has an er, interesting history of holding "affirmative action back sales" (where baked good cost different depending on whether you're black or white ha ha ha ha), and also protested lucky charms (because they are offensive to the Irish).

You might say they love to stir the racial pot.

Oh, how very classy.

re: #90 MandyManners

Lemme' see what I can find about the PP thing. brb

It's on Wiki.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Depends if I was wearing my dog suit or not.

Oh you are, but it's no suit.

re: #96 Cato the Elder

When the Whig party gets around to thinking about them?

The Party that is and always will be about the future. I can't even get detailed policy answers from their biggest supporter on LGF. Doesn't speak much to the party. Are they asking me to go from one clueless party to another clueless party?

re: #91 Cato the Elder

And it's a lot harder to discern Stacy's agenda since he shaved off the Hitler mustache.

Same time he ditched the eyebrows?

Giles is 20 but, I cannot find out how old O'Keefe is.

I wonder if Nancy Peloci or Christopher Dodd ever were at the same party as Louis Farrakhan?

re: #103 cliffster

I wonder if Nancy Peloci or Christopher Dodd ever were at the same party as Louis Farrakhan?

Why?

re: #93 cliffster

So if you were hanging out at a party, were talking to some guy you just met, and a cameraman came by and said, "Smile!", what would you do?

Hard to say. I wouldn't be at a party put on by an organization that publishes Michelle Malkin, Ben Stein, Steve Sailer, Kathy Shaidle, and RS McCain. I would think somebody who cares deeply about racism would also not be there. Perhaps that is not an accurate description of Mr. O'Keefe.

OT: I finally figured out why Sarah Palin looks so repellent to me.

She's the reincarnation of Leona Helmsley. Who in turn looked like The Joker.

Why did this take me so long?

re: #87 Cato the Elder

they pretty much did

This reads like Leonidas killing the messager of the Persians.

These two kids exposed signifant corruption with Acorn least we forget in our efforts to tarnish them.

re: #102 MandyManners

Giles is 20 but, I cannot find out how old O'Keefe is.

If you mean the undercover pair, I read that the girl/woman was 20 and the guy 24.

re: #108 filetandrelease

Do you care that they broke the law, and that their stings are not useful to law enforcement?

re: #103 cliffster

I wonder if Nancy Peloci or Christopher Dodd ever were at the same party as Louis Farrakhan?

/I think they serve pork at nancy's parties...

re: #108 filetandrelease

This reads like Leonidas killing the messager of the Persians.

These two kids exposed signifant corruption with Acorn least we forget in our efforts to tarnish them.

Doesn't matter now. They brush up against RSM, appeared in a photo op with him. This makes anything they did in the past totally worthless and now one should suspect any of their motives. It is evident that there is some hidden racist reasons behind all their actions and we must distance ourselves from such scofflaws.

Dirty people... ewww.

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Why?

Does that really need explanation?

re: #110 obdicut

Do you care that they broke the law, and that their stings are not useful to law enforcement?

I am not convinced of either of those two allegations.

re: #103 cliffster

I wonder if Nancy Peloci or Christopher Dodd ever were at the same party as Louis Farrakhan?

BHO and Jeremiah Wright?

re: #110 obdicut

Do you care that they broke the law, and that their stings are not useful to law enforcement?

Which laws. When were they charged. I didn't know that? Goiod catch on your part.

re: #109 abolitionist

If you mean the undercover pair, I read that the girl/woman was 20 and the guy 24.

Woman.

re: #113 cliffster

Does that really need explanation?

Not if you don't want to explain it. I can't force you. Other than that, I still wonder why. Sorry, I thought you were "conversing" with us, not talking to yourself.

re: #109 abolitionist

If you mean the undercover pair, I read that the girl/woman was 20 and the guy 24.

So, he was 21 when he took on Planned Parenthood.

He's brimming with energy. And, moxie.

re: #110 obdicut

Do you care that they broke the law, and that their stings are not useful to law enforcement?

It's been damn useful to getting ACORN the hell out of my wallet.

re: #92 astronmr20

They were dressed the part.

They looked like kids in Halloween costumes.

re: #118 Walter L. Newton

Not if you don't want to explain it. I can't force you. Other than that, I still wonder why. Sorry, I thought you were "conversing" with us, not talking to yourself.

Farrakhan is a racist.

re: #118 Walter L. Newton

Not if you don't want to explain it. I can't force you. Other than that, I still wonder why. Sorry, I thought you were "conversing" with us, not talking to yourself.

I guess I thought it was self-explanatory. Louis Farrakhan is, well, not the kind of guy most people would want to be associated with. Still, though, I would imagine he's been around, especially in liberal circles.

re: #114 filetandrelease

Okay.

From the Citizens Media Law Project:

California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632. The statute applies to "confidential communications" -- i.e., conversations in which one of the parties has an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation. See Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575, 576-77, 578-82 (Cal. 2002). A California appellate court has ruled that this statute applies to the use of hidden video cameras to record conversations as well. See California v. Gibbons, 215 Cal. App. 3d 1204 (Cal Ct. App. 1989).

If you are operating in California, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you might be "private" or "confidential." In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the California wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party. See Cal. Penal Code § 637.2.

Consult The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press's Can We Tape?: California for more information on California wiretapping law.

re: #122 MandyManners

Farrakhan is a racist.

You see, it took me like 40 words to say poorly what it took you 4 to say brilliantly.

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Doesn't matter now. They brush up against RSM, appeared in a photo op with him. This makes anything they did in the past totally worthless and now one should suspect any of their motives. It is evident that there is some hidden racist reasons behind all their actions and we must distance ourselves from such scofflaws.

Dirty people... ewww.

I don't care that they were posing with McCain, unless they actually like him. I care that they're trashy, incredibly trashy, people.

re: #123 cliffster

I guess I thought it was self-explanatory. Louis Farrakhan is, well, not the kind of guy most people would want to be associated with. Still, though, I would imagine he's been around, especially in liberal circles.

And if Pelosi was at a party that he was at, that makes Pelosi what?

re: #120 MandyManners

Is that a joke?

It did lead to the crafting of some really terrible legislation, that's for sure.

re: #124 obdicut

Okay.

From the Citizens Media Law Project:

California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632. The statute applies to "confidential communications" -- i.e., conversations in which one of the parties has an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation. See Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575, 576-77, 578-82 (Cal. 2002). A California appellate court has ruled that this statute applies to the use of hidden video cameras to record conversations as well. See California v. Gibbons, 215 Cal. App. 3d 1204 (Cal Ct. App. 1989).

If you are operating in California, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you might be "private" or "confidential." In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the California wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party. See Cal. Penal Code § 637.2.

Consult The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press's Can We Tape?: California for more information on California wiretapping law.

Have they been charged?

re: #124 obdicut

Okay.

From the Citizens Media Law Project:

California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. [...]

Same in Maryland. So the Baltimore tape is pretty much worthless for the prosecution.

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't care that they were posing with McCain, unless they actually like him. I care that they're trashy, incredibly trashy, people.

You must of miss my sarcasm.

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Back during the Constitutional Convention?

true - but frankly, Jim Wright & Tip O'Neill were men of ideas who could actually talk to each other and say:

"you have different ideas than me. I believe your ideas are honest and genuine, I disagree. Let's talk."

Now it's YOU'RE EVIL. YOU EAT BABIES. YOU WANT TO KILL MY GRANDMOTHER. AHHH!!!

[run around screaming]

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Have they been charged?

Of course not.

re: #119 MandyManners

So, he was 21 when he took on Planned Parenthood.

He's brimming with energy. And, moxie.

I WON-der how he got the idea to 'take on' Planned Parenthood. I mean, I wake up every goddamn morning and think "Hey, let me see if I can get the employees of a major women's health organization to say racist stuff on the phone. I bet I can!"

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Not to my knowledge, no. I think right now the whargble surrounding Acorn is such that it's pretty un-PC to charge them. But it might happen.

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

And if Pelosi was at a party that he was at, that makes Pelosi what?

Walter you are being obtuse. If you ask me, it wouldn't really mean anything about them. That's the point.

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

You must of miss my sarcasm.

No, I got it. I think they're self-serving little so-and-sos, though.

re: #135 obdicut

Not to my knowledge, no. I think right now the whargble surrounding Acorn is such that it's pretty un-PC to charge them. But it might happen.

Then they have not done anything wrong.

re: #136 cliffster

Walter you are being obtuse. If you ask me, it wouldn't really mean anything about them. That's the point.

I agree.

re: #130 Cato the Elder

Same in Maryland. So the Baltimore tape is pretty much worthless for the prosecution.

California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation.

In the Baltimore video the doors were open and other people were in and out of the room. It was not considered a private conversation because of that IIRC. I don't know if that applies in California.

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

Bu-what?

People who have committed crimes haven't done anything wrong if they're not charged with anything?

Sorry, our coffee-machine is fritzed, if this is just me not catching sarcasm.

Just because you appear in a photo with somebody, doesn't mean you agree with the politically.

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation.

In the Baltimore video the doors were open and other people were in and out of the room. It was not considered a private conversation because of that IIRC. I don't know if that applies in California.

The point is, they haven't been charged. If they had a case against them, they would have been charged.

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

I WON-der how he got the idea to 'take on' Planned Parenthood. I mean, I wake up every goddamn morning and think "Hey, let me see if I can get the employees of a major women's health organization to say racist stuff on the phone. I bet I can!"

The "affirmative action bakesale" shtick has been done by CRNC school groups. I'll check into the College Republicans' website, but it's probably down by now.

re: #125 cliffster

You see, it took me like 40 words to say poorly what it took you 4 to say brilliantly.

As a former reporter, I keep things short.

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

I agree.

About being obtuse? /

It was never their intent for the recordings to be used in court, rather to turn over the log and expose the roaches. And very effective. The real crime will be if Acorn does not get investigated as a result.

re: #128 obdicut

Is that a joke?

It did lead to the crafting of some really terrible legislation, that's for sure.

No, it's not a joke. You got something against reducing taxation?

re: #141 obdicut

Bu-what?

People who have committed crimes haven't done anything wrong if they're not charged with anything?

Sorry, our coffee-machine is fritzed, if this is just me not catching sarcasm.

No, this is you. You see, in this country, one is innocent until charged and proven guilty. Sorry, I can't change that, sorry if you don't like it. These two are not guilty of anything.

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

I don't know about the Baltimore one, but in California, that just generally extends the 'parties' rather than making it non-public. For example, recording private information inside a corporation is illegal, no matter how many people are around when you do it.

I don't know much beyond California laws on the subject, but I have not heard anything from any law enforcement agency that indicated the tapes would be in any way useful. Have you?

re: #146 cliffster

About being obtuse? /

Maybe :)

re: #11 MandyManners

I'm gonna' be charitable and assume they don't know about his White Supremacism.

He's now endorsing a black man for Congress, Is this to throw everybody off the scent? (Wouldn't be surprised.)

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

I WON-der how he got the idea to 'take on' Planned Parenthood. I mean, I wake up every goddamn morning and think "Hey, let me see if I can get the employees of a major women's health organization to say racist stuff on the phone. I bet I can!"

Young, dumb and full of all kinds of whacky notions? Have you read his Wiki? He's got a lot on the ball.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

The point is, they haven't been charged. If they had a case against them, they would have been charged.

Precisely. They committed no crime. ACORN, on the other hand...

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

In the Baltimore video the doors were open and other people were in and out of the room. It was not considered a private conversation because of that IIRC. I don't know if that applies in California.

I don't know about that, but I do wonder how MSM reporters do their stings without running afoul of such laws. Are there exceptions for news organizations? And if so, how does one draw the line as to who qualifies for that protection.

Lawhawk? Anyone? I really don't know, and I'm not being snarky at all for the duration of this post.

re: #152 claire

He's now endorsing a black man for Congress, Is this to throw everybody off the scent? (Wouldn't be surprised.)

I assume that as long as his sister doesn't marry this guy, he'll be just fine.

/I have no real understanding of how this man's brain works. I don't exactly want to get there, either.

I don't think the point is necessarily to say that these two ACORN-baiting idiots are white supremacists. The photo merely illustrates a larger point that espousing Neo-Nazi viewpoints doesn't get you ostracized from the elite circles of today's GOP, it gets you invited to their cocktail parties.

re: #144 Decatur Deb

The "affirmative action bakesale" shtick has been done by CRNC school groups. I'll check into the College Republicans' website, but it's probably down by now.

Ah. Theatre of the Absurd.

The tapes have already proved to be very useful.

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

Precisely. They committed no crime. ACORN, on the other hand...

Bingo. But Obicut wants to pass the blame on two people who where not charged of anything. Typical liberal.

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

no - they just haven't been charged with a crime - that is a world of difference from not having done something wrong.

re: #152 claire

He's now endorsing a black man for Congress, Is this to throw everybody off the scent? (Wouldn't be surprised.)

Oh, for fuck's sake. Can you read his mind?

re: #150 obdicut

I don't know about the Baltimore one, but in California, that just generally extends the 'parties' rather than making it non-public. For example, recording private information inside a corporation is illegal, no matter how many people are around when you do it.

I don't know much beyond California laws on the subject, but I have not heard anything from any law enforcement agency that indicated the tapes would be in any way useful. Have you?

I think it's still an on going investigation. I am no law expert. You might want to ask a lizard lawyer.

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Bingo. But Obicut wants to pass the blame on two people who where not charged of anything. Typical liberal.

Christ you love hurling blanket pejoratives at entire groups of people.

re: #157 drcordell

I don't think the point is necessarily to say that these two ACORN-baiting idiots are white supremacists. The photo merely illustrates a larger point that espousing Neo-Nazi viewpoints doesn't get you ostracized from the elite circles of today's GOP, it gets you invited to their cocktail parties.

They were forced to attend. You know how that can be such a problem.

re: #147 filetandrelease

It was never their intent for the recordings to be used in court, rather to turn over the log and expose the roaches. And very effective. The real crime will be if Acorn does not get investigated as a result.

Someone yesterday referred to "people" as roaches.

re: #161 wozzablog

no - they just haven't been charged with a crime - that is a world of difference from not having done something wrong.

Not where I come from.

re: #148 MandyManners

Well, as a kneejerk reaction, sure I do. It also matters how you go about reducing taxation-- like, if you write legislation that's so broad that it turns out it would disqualify Boeing from receiving government contracts.

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Well, that's legally true, sure. But it doesn't apply to private citizens. I can say that KSM is guilty of many crimes, without proof, and there's nothing 'wrong' with me doing so-- it just means I'm convinced that he's committed them.

I'm really not sure what your point is.

re: #153 MandyManners

Young, dumb and full of all kinds of whacky notions? Have you read his Wiki? He's got a lot on the ball.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It smells to high heaven. I don't like attacks on PP very much.

re: #164 drcordell

Christ you love hurling blanket pejoratives at entire groups of people.

Obdicut's an entire group of people?

re: #164 drcordell

Christ you love hurling blanket pejoratives at entire groups of people.

No, that was address to Obdicut. Reading is comprehension. Try it.

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Someone yesterday referred to "people" as roaches.

It was a metaphor.

re: #159 filetandrelease

The tapes have already proved to be very useful.

Yes, for destroying ACORN without accusation, prosecution, trial, or judgment.

Very useful indeed.

There is a "bill of attainder" complaint from ACORN against Congress now making its way through the courts.

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

They were forced to attend. You know how that can be such a problem.

You STILL can't get over your seething hatred for the enforcement of labor laws? Really? You still can't wrap your head around the fact that paying workers illegal wages by forcing them to work as "independent contractors" is wrong? And that it is not the responsibility of the worker to QUIT and LOSE THEIR JOB COMPLETELY to rectify the illegal conduct.

re: #144 Decatur Deb

The "affirmative action bakesale" shtick has been done by CRNC school groups. I'll check into the College Republicans' website, but it's probably down by now.

Here's one case. I think it was considered cute for a while.

[Link: www.google.com...]

re: #170 MandyManners

Obdicut's an entire group of people?

Dr. Cordell suffers from transference.

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

No, that was address to Obdicut. Reading is comprehension. Try it.

"Typical liberal" doesn't extend to anyone beyond Obdicut?

re: #168 obdicut

Well, as a kneejerk reaction, sure I do. It also matters how you go about reducing taxation-- like, if you write legislation that's so broad that it turns out it would disqualify Boeing from receiving government contracts.

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Well, that's legally true, sure. But it doesn't apply to private citizens. I can say that KSM is guilty of many crimes, without proof, and there's nothing 'wrong' with me doing so-- it just means I'm convinced that he's committed them.

I'm really not sure what your point is.

LOL! You're serious about that?

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Typical liberal.

That's a baseless pejorative Walter.

re: #173 Cato the Elder

Yes, for destroying ACORN without accusation, prosecution, trial, or judgment.

Very useful indeed.

There is a "bill of attainder" complaint from ACORN against Congress now making its way through the courts.

Well, there was plenty of accusation and judgement. In plain veiw for anyone to see.

re: #174 drcordell

You STILL can't get over your seething hatred for the enforcement of labor laws? Really? You still can't wrap your head around the fact that paying workers illegal wages by forcing them to work as "independent contractors" is wrong? And that it is not the responsibility of the worker to QUIT and LOSE THEIR JOB COMPLETELY to rectify the illegal conduct.

You still can't get over the fact that no one forced you to sign the contract and take the job. You are implicit in their "crime." Stop whining.

re: #180 filetandrelease

Well, there was plenty of accusation and judgement. In plain veiw for anyone to see.

Where?

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Someone yesterday referred to "people" as roaches.

I've refered to my X as a "motherfucker". Does that mean I think he just that?

re: #179 drcordell

That's a baseless pejorative Walter.

Deal with it. Yawn.

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Bingo. But Obicut wants to pass the blame on two people who where not charged of anything. Typical liberal.

Oooh, us typical liberals. We're so silly.

I don't think those 'stings' do anything in the least bit useful. I don't think the anti-ACORN legislation was in the least bit good, and will have unintended negative consequences. It's also going to cost us taxpayers a shitload of money, since it may be a bill of attainder.

If you seriously consider Acorn a major problem, then, well, have fun with that.

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

It smells to high heaven. I don't like attacks on PP very much.

Did it get them to clean out their act regarding minors?

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

so - if i walk up to you on the street and call you a bad name in passing for no good reason...that isn't wrong?

can i live in your world?

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

You still can't get over the fact that no one forced you to sign the contract and take the job. You are implicit in their "crime." Stop whining.

I suppose it's also a woman's fault when her husband beats the shit out of her too? She should have learned to get out of that situation before she got smacked!

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Deal with it. Yawn.

Wow you're a real prick sometimes.

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Where?

Have you not seen any of the tapes?

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

Dr. Cordell suffers from transference.

Short for "head-up-ass".

re: #190 filetandrelease

Have you not seen any of the tapes?

The tapes are not a legal accusation or a legal judgement. If we're following Walter's line of reasoning, no crime has been committed.

/oh, fer the love of God!

re: #174 drcordell

You STILL can't get over your seething hatred for the enforcement of labor laws? Really? You still can't wrap your head around the fact that paying workers illegal wages by forcing them to work as "independent contractors" is wrong? And that it is not the responsibility of the worker to QUIT and LOSE THEIR JOB COMPLETELY to rectify the illegal conduct.

Oh not this again

Let me ask you, what type of gun did they have each morning when they showed up at your residence to "FORCE" you to go to work?
Did they have a black sedan with tinted windows?
Were there 2 or 3 men?
Black overcoats?? Sunglasses?? Did they put soemthing around your mouth to muffle your screams of protest?

re: #185 obdicut

Oooh, us typical liberals. We're so silly.

I don't think those 'stings' do anything in the least bit useful. I don't think the anti-ACORN legislation was in the least bit good, and will have unintended negative consequences. It's also going to cost us taxpayers a shitload of money, since it may be a bill of attainder.

If you seriously consider Acorn a major problem, then, well, have fun with that.

It took you that many comments to finally realize the truth. Glad you finally came around. Acorn IS a major problem. And did you notice all that bipartisan outrage in Washington? Both sides certainly could figure out when it was time to get off the ACORN boat. Are you?

re: #186 MandyManners

Did it get them to clean out their act regarding minors?

Did Mr. O'Keefe's foolishness do that?

re: #188 drcordell

Nice job putting words in Walter's mouth, asshole.

re: #189 drcordell

Wow you're a real prick sometimes.

He (and I) are real pricks ALL the time,,, as he said,, deal with it!

re: #189 drcordell

Wow you're a real prick sometimes.

As opposed to a fake prick?

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

Did Mr. O'Keefe's foolishness do that?

I wouldn't be suprised if it played a part.

re: #188 drcordell

I suppose it's also a woman's fault when her husband beats the shit out of her too? She should have learned to get out of that situation before she got smacked!

Straw man... I never have seen anyone in my whole like that sign an employment contract on their own, and now blame it on everyone but themselves. Whine, whine, whine...

re: #196 MandyManners

Nice job putting words in Walter's mouth, asshole.

Explain to me how the two situations are any different? Why should a worker be responsible for the enforcement of labor laws any more than a woman should be responsible for the enforcement of domestic abuse laws. Walter's point is exactly that. You have been treated illegally, but its YOUR FAULT for putting up with it.

re: #185 obdicut

If you seriously consider Acorn a major problem, then, well, have fun with that.

Our tax dollars funding an organization that got caught on camera helping a couple get a loan to start a whorehouse with under aged children? Your damn right I consider ACORN a major problem.

re: #198 MandyManners

As opposed to a fake prick?

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re: #171 Walter L. Newton

No, that was address to Obdicut. Reading is comprehension. Try it.

Too bad your logical is invalidated when you put "typical liberal" at the end then try to pretend you didn't. Typical Walter. Owning up to your own bullshit. Try it.

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

The tapes are not a legal accusation or a legal judgement. If we're following Walter's line of reasoning, no crime has been committed.

/oh, fer the love of God!

The tapes show that ACORN is taking money that was taken from me and using it to do some jacked up stuff. I don't see how that can be debated?

re: #201 drcordell

Explain to me how the two situations are any different? Why should a worker be responsible for the enforcement of labor laws any more than a woman should be responsible for the enforcement of domestic abuse laws. Walter's point is exactly that. You have been treated illegally, but its YOUR FAULT for putting up with it.

Wow... that was like pulling teeth. Congratulations, you finally understand.

re: #201 drcordell

Oh, my stars. You are so full of shit that it would take a month of Sundays to clear you out.

Now, I'm gonna' step back before I lose my cool.

re: #183 MandyManners

I've refered to my X as a "motherfucker". Does that mean I think he just that?

I have the best line ever delivered to a mother in law, but if I tell it here I might get a time-out and -200 karma. My father-in-law thought it was funny tho, i thought she was going to have a coronary on me.

re: #204 Locker

Too bad your logical is invalidated when you put "typical liberal" at the end then try to pretend you didn't. Typical Walter. Owning up to your own bullshit. Try it.

Yawn. Just for you, I will back down from my point, yes, I was putting all liberals under the same rubric... and on that point, you're another typical liberal.

That felt good.

re: #208 RogueOne

I have the best line ever delivered to a mother in law, but if I tell it here I might get a time-out and -200 karma. My father-in-law thought it was funny tho, i thought she was going to have a coronary on me.

C'mon. Ya know ya wanna tell the line.

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

The tapes are not a legal accusation or a legal judgement. If we're following Walter's line of reasoning, no crime has been committed.

/oh, fer the love of God!

I didn't use the word legal. I accuse bin laden of being an asshole, and judge him accordingly. I accuse Acorn of being corrupt and judge them accordingly, I have seen it with my own eyes.

Defend them all you want. They were exposed to the world as being corrupt.

I don't want those individuals charged with a crime, I want Acorn to clean its act up. And until they do, not get a time of tax payer money.

re: #211 filetandrelease

[snip]

I don't want those individuals charged with a crime, I want Acorn to clean its act up. And until they do, not get a time of tax payer money.

Ta ta... that's the point, they weren't charged with anything, ACORN's who mission has been held up for examination now... that's the facts.

re: #200 Walter L. Newton

Straw man... I never have seen anyone in my whole like that sign an employment contract on their own, and now blame it on everyone but themselves. Whine, whine, whine...

Clearly you have never tried to get a job in New York City. That's wonderful that you live in the middle of fucking nowhere in Colorado, and can write plays that generate enough income to sustain yourself. In the real world, where the majority of Americans live, things can be a bit different.

If you are looking for a job in the television industry in New York, your options are either 1) accept the illegal contract 2) lose the job

That's all well and good that you can sit on your morality high-horse and play with hypothetical "don't sign the contract" situations. But that's not how it happens in real life. The contracts are illegal, and there are many, many, many workers who accept those contracts because the choice is between illegal contract or unemployment. How as a conservative can you oppose the enforcement of an EXISTING law?

re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar

C'mon. Ya know ya wanna tell the line.

yeah, it's killing me, but it's horribly offensive. I can't imagine why that marriage didn't even make it a whole year.

re: #214 RogueOne

yeah, it's killing me, but it's horribly offensive. I can't imagine why that marriage didn't even make it a whole year.

My nic is blue.:)

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

Wow... that was like pulling teeth. Congratulations, you finally understand.

So you do think that battered women are bringing their beatings upon themselves.

re: #211 filetandrelease

I didn't use the word legal. I accuse bin laden of being an asshole, and judge him accordingly. I accuse Acorn of being corrupt and judge them accordingly, I have seen it with my own eyes.

Defend them all you want. They were exposed to the world as being corrupt.

I don't want those individuals charged with a crime, I want Acorn to clean its act up. And until they do, not get a time of tax payer money.

With the ammount of (our) money ACORN is dealing with I would like to see a bit more than just a cleaning up of the act, but that's just me.

re: #180 filetandrelease

Well, there was plenty of accusation and judgement. In plain veiw for anyone to see.

Justice, though, was another matter.

They were tried in the court of public opinion and executed by a pusillanimous Congress currying favor with same.

Far easier than going after actual criminals on, say, Wall Street.

re: #217 brookly red

With the ammount of (our) money ACORN is dealing with I would like to see a bit more than just a cleaning up of the act, but that's just me.

Me too really. But I am trying to play nice.

re: #213 drcordell

Clearly you have never tried to get a job in New York City

I have ,, and I'm IN the broadcast industry
Have been since early 80's

Now, please answer the questions in #193

re: #207 MandyManners

Oh, my stars. You are so full of shit that it would take a month of Sundays to clear you out.

Now, I'm gonna' step back before I lose my cool.

You should step back. Considering you just pile onto other people's debates, jump in and hurl ad-hominem attacks, without actually adding anything substantive at all. Go cool off and let the adults talk this one out.

re: #213 drcordell

Clearly you have never tried to get a job in New York City. That's wonderful that you live in the middle of fucking nowhere in Colorado, and can write plays that generate enough income to sustain yourself. In the real world, where the majority of Americans live, things can be a bit different.

If you are looking for a job in the television industry in New York, your options are either 1) accept the illegal contract 2) lose the job

That's all well and good that you can sit on your morality high-horse and play with hypothetical "don't sign the contract" situations. But that's not how it happens in real life. The contracts are illegal, and there are many, many, many workers who accept those contracts because the choice is between illegal contract or unemployment. How as a conservative can you oppose the enforcement of an EXISTING law?

No, YOU can sit on your lack or any moral high ground. Don't blame that on CBS or me. You signed the contract.

And you don't know shit about my employment situation. I've gone from 82 thousand a year five years ago to about 8 thousand a year, and you don't see me whining.

I take care of myself without blaming life on everyone else.

Like I said before... deal with it.

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

If these guys wanted to actually 'sting' Acorn, they need to target someone higher up.

All they've managed to do is get a spectacularly awful piece of legislation passed.

And given Glen Beck lots of material.

re: #213 drcordell

In the real world, where the majority of Americans live, things can be a bit different.

Can we please stop declaring that each other do or do not live in the real world? He lives in the real world. So do you. It's not an effective argument.

re: #220 sattv4u2

Clearly you have never tried to get a job in New York City

I have ,, and I'm IN the broadcast industry
Have been since early 80's

Now, please answer the questions in #193

Installing satellite TV dishes isn't the broadcast industry.

re: #224 drcordell

Installing satellite TV dishes isn't the broadcast industry.

Swingandamiss

No Balls ,, One Strike

Try again, "doc" !

re: #221 drcordell

You should step back. Considering you just pile onto other people's debates, jump in and hurl ad-hominem attacks, without actually adding anything substantive at all. Go cool off and let the adults talk this one out.

You were connecting dots that are so far apart, not only are they not on the same page, they aren't in the same book. I would suggest that you back off too, the condescension if nothing else.

re: #218 Cato the Elder

Justice, though, was another matter.

They were tried in the court of public opinion and executed by a pusillanimous Congress currying favor with same.

Far easier than going after actual criminals on, say, Wall Street.

Oh I don't know, maybe poetic justice in the end, clearly Acorn does not deserve tax payer money, as seen by all. And remember, it was two young adults who exposed them. It is those two whom I am trying to defend.

Had they gotten some mud on wall steet, would you and others here be throwing them under the bus? I think not. But that they nailed Acorn, an organization in great favor with the left, by all means, go after the messenger.

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

No, YOU can sit on your lack or any moral high ground. Don't blame that on CBS or me. You signed the contract.

And you don't know shit about my employment situation. I've gone from 82 thousand a year five years ago to about 8 thousand a year, and you don't see me whining.

I take care of myself without blaming life on everyone else.

Like I said before... deal with it.

I did deal with it, by selling my soul and taking a job in finance that pays much, much better. That doesn't change the fact that there are THOUSANDS of people working in those jobs as we speak, because they are attempting to live their life dream of a broadcasting career. Who the fuck are you to say that they deserve to be mistreated illegally by their employer. We are in a recession and employers are taking advantage of peoples desperation by illegally paying them substandard wages. The fact that you have no problem with this is completely indicative of your entire mindset. Basically, a huge middle finger to everyone else besides yourself.

These workers aren't on the government dole. They aren't lazy, unemployed, or asking for a handout. They simply want the FAIR WAGES that they are entitled to by law. Apparently you only support enforcement of the law when it has to do with ACORN, or brown people like Professor Gates.

re: #225 sattv4u2

Swingandamiss

No Balls ,, One Strike

Try again, "doc" !

You're alot nicer guy than I am, that's for sure.

ACORN did wrong, ACORN got exposed... it seems so simple to me.

(And yes I am simple, just to deny the cheap shot).

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

You're alot nicer guy than I am, that's for sure.

not really
,,,

"come hither, said the spider!""

re: #226 cliffster

You were connecting dots that are so far apart, not only are they not on the same page, they aren't in the same book. I would suggest that you back off too, the condescension if nothing else.

Quite frankly I don't think the dots are that far off at all. His entire point is that a person being subjected to illegal treatment should have no legal recourse, and that instead they should simply leave the situation. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

By Walter's logic, if your employer illegally underpays you, it's your responsibility to quit that job. How is that any different than telling a woman who is being mistreated by her spouse that she simply should leave her relationship if she does not wish to be abused further?

re: #231 sattv4u2

not really
,,,

"come hither, said the spider!""

If you are actually working in the broadcast industry in NYC I can guarantee you that there is an entire army of illegal "freelance" contractors slaving away for your company as we speak.

Very entertaining thread.

Keep going.

re: #228 drcordell

You do realize of course that these employers are in a recession too? That most, if not all, are not nearly as profitable as they were just a few short years ago, and are doing what ever they can just to stay open, to employ who they can, at what ever rate they can.

You make it sound like these businesses are reaping in the profits by taking advantage of these poor employees, when in reality, the businesses are desperately trying to stay afloat.

As I am with mine. I have been laying people off and reducing salaries left and right. What? So I waller in money? Shit, open your eyes.

re: #232 drcordell

The woman never agreed to getting beaten.

re: #232 drcordell

Quite frankly I don't think the dots are that far off at all. His entire point is that a person being subjected to illegal treatment should have no legal recourse, and that instead they should simply leave the situation. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

By Walter's logic, if your employer illegally underpays you, it's your responsibility to quit that job. How is that any different than telling a woman who is being mistreated by her spouse that she simply should leave her relationship if she does not wish to be abused further?

Two weeks ago you said you were "forced" to sign a contract. That's my only issue, and never was there any other issue for me.

You were not forced.

Whine away, I'm going to work... got a show tonight.

re: #162 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. Can you read his mind?

Mandy, I was referring to RSM, not O'Keefe. Does this change things?

Endorsing a black guy for Congress or President or whatever doesn't seem to me to be typical behavior for a raving white supremacist. If he really is one, is this a cynical attempt to rehabilitate his image (due to pressure from here?) or if he really ISN"T one (don't ask me) then perhaps he likes the candidate. (For fuck's sake, I don't know- I can't read his fucking mind! )

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

Good luck.

re: #236 cliffster

The woman never agreed to getting beaten.

And, to compare the two situations is beneath the bounds of civilized debate.

re: #233 drcordell

If you are actually working in the broadcast industry in NYC I can guarantee you that there is an entire army of illegal "freelance" contractors slaving away for your company as we speak.

CNN is a broadcast industry. They aren't based in NYC. Not everything revolves around NYC.

re: #238 claire

Mandy, I was referring to RSM, not O'Keefe. Does this change things?

Endorsing a black guy for Congress or President or whatever doesn't seem to me to be typical behavior for a raving white supremacist. If he really is one, is this a cynical attempt to rehabilitate his image (due to pressure from here?) or if he really ISN"T one (don't ask me) then perhaps he likes the candidate. (For fuck's sake, I don't know- I can't read his fucking mind! )

Oops! Sorry about that.

As Sharmuta would point out, RSM has "witnesses".

re: #235 filetandrelease

You do realize of course that these employers are in a recession too? That most, if not all, are not nearly as profitable as they were just a few short years ago, and are doing what ever they can just to stay open, to employ who they can, at what ever rate they can.

You make it sound like these businesses are reaping in the profits by taking advantage of these poor employees, when in reality, the businesses are desperately trying to stay afloat.

As I am with mine. I have been laying people off and reducing salaries left and right. What? So I waller in money? Shit, open your eyes.

Uh, yes these business are reaping in the profits. The company I worked for specifically was CBS. Sumner Redstone gave himself a fucking $12.3 million dollar salary in 2008. Despite the value of the company itself declining by HALF. It's indefensible.

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

CNN is a broadcast industry. They aren't based in NYC. Not everything revolves around NYC.

/Gasp!

re: #242 MandyManners

#221

re: #243 drcordell

Uh, yes these business are reaping in the profits. The company I worked for specifically was CBS. Sumner Redstone gave himself a fucking $12.3 million dollar salary in 2008. Despite the value of the company itself declining by HALF. It's indefensible.

Yep, there reaping in the profits.

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

CNN is a broadcast industry. They aren't based in NYC. Not everything revolves around NYC.

I've worked IN the broadcast industry IN New York City
(and CNN has a very large bureau there, btw)
((and no,, I don't work "for" CNN, but my company sure does lots of business with them))

re: #227 filetandrelease

Had they gotten some mud on wall steet, would you and others here be throwing them under the bus? I think not. But that they nailed Acorn, an organization in great favor with the left, by all means, go after the messenger.

Had they gotten some dirt on Wall Street, they would immediately have been prosecuted for making private conversations public, they would have been inundated with cease-and-desist letters from $1,500-per-hour lawyers, enough to paper their starter homes with, they would have been taken to the woodshed so fast we never would have heard of them. And if we had heard of them, by some chance, there is no chance Congress would have taken any action against equivalent Wall Street shenanigans, no, not if they had tapes of Goldmine Sacks CEO's offering to buy them both for hard cash and perform home sex-change operations on them without anesthesia just for bloody yucks.

But ACORN, an organization whose main goal is helping poor people (comnists! run! hide! the Reds are comin'!), gets taken down in a New York minute because of these loverly people. No trial, no inquiry, just bam! kill the whole organization based on some illegally obtained tapes.

In short, it's about what you would expect.

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

CNN is a broadcast industry. They aren't based in NYC. Not everything revolves around NYC.

No. CNN is not broadcast. Broadcasting means your signal is actually broadcast by an antenna. That means CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox.

re: #243 drcordell

Uh, yes these business are reaping in the profits. The company I worked for specifically was CBS. Sumner Redstone gave himself a fucking $12.3 million dollar salary in 2008. Despite the value of the company itself declining by HALF. It's indefensible.

maybe it's the content?

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

#221

Yes, I saw it but chose not to dignify it with a response. It says more about him than it does about me.

re: #248 Cato the Elder

Had they gotten some dirt on Wall Street, they would immediately have been prosecuted for making private conversations public, they would have been inundated with cease-and-desist letters from $1,500-per-hour lawyers, enough to paper their starter homes with, they would have been taken to the woodshed so fast we never would have heard of them. And if we had heard of them, by some chance, there is no chance Congress would have taken any action against equivalent Wall Street shenanigans, no, not if they had tapes of Goldmine Sacks CEO's offering to buy them both for hard cash and perform home sex-change operations on them without anesthesia just for bloody yucks.

But ACORN, an organization whose main goal is helping poor people (comnists! run! hide! the Reds are comin'!), gets taken down in a New York minute because of these loverly people. No trial, no inquiry, just bam! kill the whole organization based on some illegally obtained tapes.

In short, it's about what you would expect.

The organization is hardly dead.

And you jumped over my point completely.

re: #246 filetandrelease

Yep, there reaping in the profits.

They're certainly reaping in enough profits to pay their executives out millions upon millions of dollars. Nowhere did I say that I think they should be wasting money. Paying your employees a fair, legal wage is not optional. It's the fucking law. If there is enough money to pay Redstone $13 million in CASH, there is enough to pay your entry-level workers a fair wage. Christ it pains me to watch plebes defend baseless corporate greed.

re: #249 drcordell

No. CNN is not broadcast. Broadcasting means your signal is actually broadcast by an antenna. That means CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox.