Ace Beclowns Himself

Normally I’d ignore this, but “Ace” has posted something so moronically misguided and false it calls for a response: Charles Johnson Now Deleting Posts for Mentioning Hacked Global Warming Fraud Emails.

“Ace” says I deleted this comment by LGF reader ‘bosforus’ with “no explanation,” and that I’m “suppressing the data.” That’s just how evil I am.

But in the real world where people aren’t on hair trigger outrage watch, I deleted the comment not because it mentioned the Hadley emails, but because it linked to downloads of illegally obtained data.

“Ace” may have no problem with that, but I don’t want LGF to be used to circulate files that were acquired by breaking into a private email server. That’s the reason it was deleted.

I also condemned the hacking of Sarah Palin’s Yahoo email account. Unlike “Ace,” I’m trying to be responsible and consistent.

For the record, ‘bosforus’ himself told me about his comment, in the thread I put up specifically to discuss (not “suppress”) the Hadley email data, and asked me to delete it. I thanked him and explained why I didn’t want the links at LGF, right here.

And that thread about the Hadley emails, by the way, has more than 400 comments, with plenty of debate and argument from both sides. Seems like an odd way to “suppress” something.

If the clown shoe fits, “Ace.”

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609 comments

1 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:10:40pm
If the clown hat fits, Ace.

I'd say asshat.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:10:47pm

He asked me to = no explanation.

3 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:12:03pm

Behold my "no explanation" in all it's glory!

Absentmindedly, I posted the links to the ftp sites in the Overnight Fauna thread in this comment. Though they are not direct links to the zip files would you kindly delete that comment and this current comment if you feel it necessary. Por favor do not block my account. I'd appreciate it.
4 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:12:10pm

Ace is a clown...Period..
you can quote me Ace

5 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:12:28pm

re: #3 bosforus

And I don't know how to make "it" possessive, apparently.

6 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:12:51pm

Don't they revel in their idiocy over there?

7 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:13:09pm

Uncle Jimbo Bimbo strikes again!

8 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:13:24pm

He's never exactly been playing with a full deck.

9 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:13:50pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Uncle Jimbo Bimbo strikes again!

Dumbo.

10 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:14:02pm

re: #8 Conservative Moonbat

He's never exactly been playing with a full deck.

"Hi-low jacks and winner takes the game!"

11 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:15:46pm

Ace ain't the place for me.

12 jaunte  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:17:31pm

Knee-jerk blogging shows not much inside the flaming skull.

13 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:17:42pm

So, did we ever determine if the files and emails were damning / bogus / or a non-issue?

14 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:18:21pm

re: #12 jaunte

Knee-jerk blogging shows not much inside the flaming skull.

Rotating title?

15 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:19:07pm

re: #13 Racer X

So, did we ever determine if the files and emails were damning / bogus / or a non-issue?

There's nothing at all "damning" in the emails. This story is going to vanish beneath the waves without a trace.

16 jaunte  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:19:41pm

re: #13 Racer X

I think the key word was 'trick;' there wasn't any evidence to trump up beyond that.

17 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:20:28pm

Be careful. I just clicked the link and my computer lost all its credibility. It works on machines too.

18 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:21:05pm

Typical conspiracy theory mindset. When someone criticizes, fact checks or otherwise does anything to suggest that you aren't right, scream about "suppression" and "lies". Ace is acting like Alex Jones with that post.

19 AtadOFF  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:22:39pm

Good call Charles.

20 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:23:08pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Typical conspiracy theory mindset. When someone criticizes, fact checks or otherwise does anything to suggest that you aren't right, scream about "suppression" and "lies". Ace is acting like Alex Jones Ace with that post.

Fixed

21 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:26:00pm

I would have said "beshits", but then I'm not as nice as you, Charles.

22 checked08  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:28:56pm

Think he'll add a correction?

23 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:30:50pm

re: #22 checked08

He ought to flush it down the memory hole, but he's probably too stupid for that.

24 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:32:54pm
High-Income Tax May Be Needed for Afghan War Cost, Levin Says

Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said higher-income Americans should be taxed to pay for additional troops sent to Afghanistan and that NATO should provide half of the new soldiers.

An “additional income tax to the upper brackets, folks earning more than $200,000 or $250,000,” could fund more troops, Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said in an interview for Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. White House Budget Director Peter Orszag has estimated that each additional soldier in Afghanistan could cost $1 million, for a total that could reach $40 billion if 40,000 more troops are added.

That cost, Levin said, should be paid by wealthier taxpayers. “They have done incredibly well, and I think that it’s important that we pay for it if we possibly can” instead of increasing the federal debt load, the senator said.

Oh man, Oprah is going to be pissed. It's a good thing he didn't speak the truth about it - that they want those wealthy people to pay for all the other crap they are throwing money at - like health care bailouts, stimulus, etc. .

25 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:33:36pm

Having missed the earlier thread...there is NOT ONE PERSON on this freaking planet who would enjoy seeing there personal e-mails exposed. As to massaging data...got new for those shrieking about his...that is exactly what data modeling is. Since the whole goal of climate research is to predict then trying all sorts of data manipulation in order to get a model to work is just fine. The proof lies in whether the model actually does do a good job at predicting.

26 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:34:37pm

I must say, though, I'm not at all convinced there's nothing compromising or problematic enough to warrant scrutiny in those emails, whatever their provenance. And the 24-hour-rule being what it is, no one has yet had time to go through the multiple PDFs that were also hacked.

For instance, if this bit:

There's an email from senior IPCC scientist Kevin Trenberth in which he asks, "Where the heck is global warming?…The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[emphasis mine]

turns out to be real, and not totally taken out of context, then I'd have to say the good ship AGW just maybe might have a problem, Houston.

Of course I am for my own part dead certain that True Believerism is a fact of life among scientists as well as other segments of the population (anybody recall Lysenko?), so shocked is the one thing I would not be.

27 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:42:24pm

I killed the thread.

28 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:43:41pm

re: #27 Cato the Elder

I killed the thread.

you buy the drinks then

29 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:43:50pm

What an outrageous and baseless charge by "Ace".

I have personally observed or participated in every AGW thread in recent months and there has never been a single post deleted for advocating either side in the debate, not one.

30 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:45:18pm

Ace reminds me of Otto in A Fish Called Wanda:

Yes they do, Otto. They just don't understand it. Now let me correct you on a couple of things, OK? Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself." And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.

31 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:45:42pm

I think I made some friends over at Ace.
:)

32 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:47:05pm

re: #31 bosforus

I think I made some friends over at Ace.
:)

only because your lipstick matches your nails so perfect...don't get a big head

33 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:47:36pm

This foolish and dishonest fabrication by "Ace" really has me annoyed, I am tempted to break tradition and leave a post on his site setting him straight.

34 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:47:39pm
35 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:49:18pm

re: #33 Bagua

This foolish and dishonest fabrication by "Ace" really has me annoyed, I am tempted to break tradition and leave a post on his site setting him straight.

Don't bother. He's reading every word over here.

36 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:50:52pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

I hate it when you do that.

37 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:50:57pm

re: #33 Bagua

This foolish and dishonest fabrication by "Ace" really has me annoyed, I am tempted to break tradition and leave a post on his site setting him straight.

I wouldn't recommend it. I only did because I was involved. My first and final two comments.

38 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:51:50pm

Racist blogger RS McCain put up a post on his blog asking Ed "The Weatherman" Mahmoud to get in touch with him. I assume it's something LGF related.

39 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:52:11pm

re: #34 Racer X

Unemployment rates by county.

Interesting.

it was...I'm thankful to be where I am, don't have that deep purple/black bruise yet

40 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:52:15pm

re: #33 Bagua

This foolish and dishonest fabrication by "Ace" really has me annoyed, I am tempted to break tradition and leave a post on his site setting him straight.

Why waste your time?
*waves Hi*

41 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:52:56pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Racist blogger RS McCain put up a post on his blog asking Ed "The Weatherman" Mahmoud to get in touch with him. I assume it's something LGF related.

It's either that or a low pressure front is moving into his area and he'd like to stay on top of it.

42 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:53:06pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Why would a single statement from a scientists exhorting other scientists (a limited set of them) to produce better work be trouble for anyone?

Could you define, what the 'good ship AGW' is? I really have no clue what you mean by it?

43 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:53:07pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Racist blogger RS McCain put up a post on his blog asking Ed "The Weatherman" Mahmoud to get in touch with him. I assume it's something LGF related.

Interesting.

44 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:53:45pm

re: #34 Racer X

Unemployment rates by county.

Interesting.

Thank you for posting that!

45 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:54:12pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

Why waste your time?
*waves Hi*

{Floral Giraffe}

To oppose libel and misinformation.

46 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:54:17pm

Ace hoists the Jolly Roger of Black Sam Bellamy. Booger fight!!!

47 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:54:46pm

re: #45 Bagua

{Floral Giraffe}

To oppose libel and misinformation.

Heh.
Like he cares...

48 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:54:47pm
49 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:55:02pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Racist blogger RS McCain put up a post on his blog asking Ed "The Weatherman" Mahmoud to get in touch with him. I assume it's something LGF related.

Why?

50 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:56:02pm

Glenn Beck soon to add more crazy...
Glenn Beck to announce ‘big plan’ for 2010

At a rally Saturday at a massive retirement community in Central Florida, Beck is planning to unveil what he has billed as a “big plan” for 2010, which is expected to involve the 9.12 Project, the group he started earlier this year and named for the day after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, when he says the nation was unified.

“Coming this January, my whole approach changes on this program,” he hinted cryptically on his Wednesday show. “This next year is going to be critical, and I think it's going to change and I think we are going to set it right, at least set our course right. And if that means the Democrats or the Republicans are destroyed along the way, well, good. Good.”

51 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:56:02pm

re: #42 Obdicut

Sorry, your brand of sparring is not what's on my workout checklist for tonight.

Another time, maybe.

52 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:56:29pm

re: #46 Jeff In Ohio

Ace hoists the Jolly Roger of Black Sam Bellamy. Booger fight!!!

That makes Charles the Royal Navy. So let us hoist the Union Jack and blow the Daffy Pirate Rumphat out of the water!

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:57:13pm

re: #49 Racer X

Why?

No clue. I can't imagine what Ed could do to smear LGF anymore than any other disgruntled ex-lizard.

54 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:57:15pm

re: #51 Cato the Elder

Sorry, your brand of sparring is not what's on my workout checklist for tonight.

Another time, maybe.

The thing is, I have no interest in sparring whatsoever. I'm asking you what you mean by a phrase that seems rather meaningless.

If you're not interested in explaining your points, why make your points in the first place?

55 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:57:48pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck soon to add more crazy...
Glenn Beck to announce ‘big plan’ for 2010

Were there any chalkboards involved?

/snickers at Beck

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:58:05pm

It's been such a lousy week I almost forgot to drink.
Beer!
/an hour late.

57 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:58:12pm

re: #51 Cato the Elder

Sorry, your brand of sparring is not what's on my workout checklist for tonight.

Another time, maybe.

you were his last best hope too...

58 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:58:41pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

No clue. I can't imagine what Ed could do to smear LGF anymore than any other disgruntled ex-lizard.

No, why would you conclude it is LGF related?

59 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:59:09pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck soon to add more crazy...
Glenn Beck to announce ‘big plan’ for 2010

At a rally Saturday at a massive retirement community in Central Florida, Beck is planning to unveil what he has billed as a “big plan” for 2010, which is expected to involve the 9.12 Project, the group he started earlier this year and named for the day after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, when he says the nation was unified.

That's what Beck would consider to be the "good old days".

“Coming this January, my whole approach changes on this program,” he hinted cryptically on his Wednesday show. “This next year is going to be critical, and I think it's going to change and I think we are going to set it right, at least set our course right. And if that means the Democrats or the Republicans are destroyed along the way, well, good. Good.”

I'm betting on the Republicans. Being destroyed, that is. By Beck and his kind.

60 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:59:09pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

No clue. I can't imagine what Ed could do to smear LGF anymore than any other disgruntled ex-lizard.

lie about the weather?

61 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:59:18pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Racist blogger RS McCain put up a post on his blog asking Ed "The Weatherman" Mahmoud to get in touch with him. I assume it's something LGF related.

Tentacles.

62 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:59:21pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It's been such a lousy week I almost forgot to drink.
Beer!
/an hour late.

Hey how did your sales pitch go? Any luck?

63 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:59:27pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

If I had to guess I'd say it's probably going to be a program to advocate for certain candidates (mostly Paulians).

64 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 5:59:47pm

re: #54 Obdicut

The thing is, I have no interest in sparring whatsoever. I'm asking you what you mean by a phrase that seems rather meaningless.

If you're not interested in explaining your points, why make your points in the first place?

Don't think don't I recognize your game. You're not half as stupid as you pretend to be.

65 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:00:13pm

re: #62 Racer X

Hey how did your sales pitch go? Any luck?

Nah, I couldn't make it happen. Oh, well.

66 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:00:28pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It's been such a lousy week I almost forgot to drink.
Beer!
/an hour late.

How'd that deal shake out? Shouldn't I ask?

67 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:00:45pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

That makes Charles the Royal Navy. So let us hoist the Union Jack and blow the Daffy Pirate Rumphat out of the water!

Them pirates will land in fiddlers green with their rogue and lily-livered ways!

68 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:00:55pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Nah, I couldn't make it happen. Oh, well.

Sorry to hear that man.

69 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:01:27pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Is GCP still going? I was looking at a thread from Fall 2006 the other night and it was rife with concerted attacks from GCPer's.

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:01:42pm

re: #58 Racer X

What has Ed ever done in the blogosphere aside from post on LGF? He has really done anything aside from post here and complain bitterly after he was booted.

71 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:01:57pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

If I had to guess I'd say it's probably going to be a program to advocate for certain candidates (mostly Paulians).

Ooog. If I was a drinker, I'd be drinking at that news, and not to remember either.

72 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:02:12pm

re: #64 Cato the Elder

Uh, okay.

Again, I have no clue what you're talking about.

How about just a straightforward question:

Do you think that AGW is in fact happening? I can't really tell.

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:02:43pm

re: #69 MandyManners

It was shut down a while ago. The owner of the blog eventually became disgusted by the people posting there and just pulled the plug one night.

74 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:03:00pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

What has Ed ever done in the blogosphere aside from post on LGF? He has really done anything aside from post here and complain bitterly after he was booted.

He was drunk once in Santa Fe.

75 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:03:21pm

re: #60 albusteve

lie about the weather?

Maybe it's a global warming thing.

76 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:03:50pm

re: #34 Racer X

Unemployment rates by county.

Interesting.

Wow. That was really interesting.

I worked in HR for 25 years before I retired. . . I just sent that link to everybody I know still working in that line of work.

77 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:05:00pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Nah, I couldn't make it happen. Oh, well.

Better luck with the next.

If it's any consolation, my grandfather was assigned the marketing account for animal glue manufacturers, right during the invention and propagation of synthetic glue.

"But ours has real dead cows in it!" was a hard pitch.

78 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:05:32pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

What has Ed ever done in the blogosphere aside from post on LGF? He has really done anything aside from post here and complain bitterly after he was booted.

That's his claim to fame.

Robert Stacy McCain has a way of seeking out really crazy people. See: neo-Nazi Bill White.

79 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:05:41pm

re: #72 Obdicut

Uh, okay.

Again, I have no clue what you're talking about.

Bullshit. You had enough of a clue to downding me, just like four other people (whom I often disagree with here) knew what I was saying enough to upding me. You're "can't take literal meaning from a text" shtick is getting tired.

How about just a straightforward question:

Do you think that AGW is in fact happening? I can't really tell.

Neither can I.

80 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:06:22pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It's been such a lousy week I almost forgot to drink.
Beer!
/an hour late.

oooh noes!

81 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:06:30pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

What has Ed ever done in the blogosphere aside from post on LGF? He has really done anything aside from post here and complain bitterly after he was booted.

Well, now he posts cut-and-paste weather reports on Deuce.

Sad, really.

82 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:08:25pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

It was shut down a while ago. The owner of the blog eventually became disgusted by the people posting there and just pulled the plug one night.

I don't blame him/her. But, my daddy useta' tell me about what to expect if you lie down with dogs.

83 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:08:52pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

He was drunk once in Santa Fe.

I thought it was El Paso.

85 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:09:29pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

Bullshit. You had enough of a clue to downding me, just like four other people (whom I often disagree with here) knew what I was saying enough to upding me. You're "can't take literal meaning from a text" shtick is getting tired.

I downdinged you because you're using an idiotic phrase 'good ship AGW' and using a single statement from the emails, out of context, and saying it somehow portends trouble for 'the good ship AGW'. It's clear enough from that that you're doing exactly what was predicted with these emails: using them out of context to say, "The scientists are fucking up."

Neither can I.

If that means you can't tell that AGW is happening, perhaps you should pay attention to more than 99% of all climatologists and every major climatological body on the planet?

86 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:09:32pm

re: #78 Charles

That's his claim to fame.

Robert Stacy McCain has a way of seeking out really crazy people. See: neo-Nazi Bill White.

I stay away from prisons.

87 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:09:33pm

re: #83 MandyManners

I thought it was El Paso.

And Dallas.

88 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:09:49pm

re: #83 MandyManners

I thought it was El Paso.

No, he was drunk all over the place in Louisiana.

89 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:09:58pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

And Dallas.

Little Rock

90 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:10:32pm

re: #88 reine.de.tout

No, he was drunk all over the place in Louisiana.

who isn't?

91 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:11:11pm

To be fair, I can understand people's skepticism of global warming.

If I had a deep-seated fear and distrust of liberal thinking, and if I didn't understand science very well, and I couldn't make heads or tails of any data I found about climate change, and if I believed everything a bunch of wingnuts fed to me, I probably wouldn't believe in it either.

92 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:11:47pm

re: #90 albusteve

who isn't?

Reine. She's something of a homebody, in the best sense.

93 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:11:51pm

re: #89 albusteve

Little Rock

Tijuana.

94 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:13:21pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

And Dallas.

And all points in between?

95 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:13:46pm

re: #88 reine.de.tout

No, he was drunk all over the place in Louisiana.

Poor Coon Asses!

(I'm an honorary Coon Ass.)

96 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:14:09pm

re: #92 Cato the Elder

Reine. She's something of a homebody, in the best sense.

okay...encore...

97 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:14:10pm

re: #88 reine.de.tout

No, he was drunk all over the place in Louisiana.

Some day..I'd love to visit your State...Fat Tuesday here I come!
Regards

98 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:14:36pm

re: #91 kobra_55

The downding was for the logical fallacies that permeated your post.

Back to lurking.

99 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:15:08pm

re: #91 kobra_55

To be fair, I can understand people's skepticism of global warming.

If I had a deep-seated fear and distrust of liberal thinking, and if I didn't understand science very well, and I couldn't make heads or tails of any data I found about climate change, and if I believed everything a bunch of wingnuts fed to me, I probably wouldn't believe in it either.

Have I introduced you to my rope yet?

100 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:15:29pm

re: #97 HoosierHoops

Some day..I'd love to visit your State...Fat Tuesday here I come!
Regards

there's a killer McDonalds on Magazine St...jus sayin

101 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:15:36pm

re: #95 MandyManners

Poor Coon Asses!

(I'm an honorary Coon Ass.)

My brother John is an animal wildlife biologist, and did a stint down there studying (and helping) a bear population.

His assistants from forestry were all Cajuns, and during his time with them he had lots of 'interesting' local game.

His last night there he wanted to thank them-- they were back at the university at that time-- and so he cooked them a meal. Spaghetti with tomatoes and sausage.

They wouldn't eat it because it was 'too weird'.

He liked those guys.

102 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:15:55pm

re: #85 Obdicut

I downdinged you because you're using an idiotic phrase 'good ship AGW' and using a single statement from the emails, out of context, and saying it somehow portends trouble for 'the good ship AGW'. It's clear enough from that that you're doing exactly what was predicted with these emails: using them out of context to say, "The scientists are fucking up."

So why did you try to engage me in a bullshit discussion of what I meant, bullshitter?

If that means you can't tell that AGW is happening, perhaps you should pay attention to more than 99% of all climatologists and every major climatological body on the planet?

Perhaps it's because I don't believe "climatology" is evolved enough as a science for the 99% percent (again, I call bullshit on that number, but whatever) to actually know what they're talking about when it comes to making predictions. Their record with ice ages hasn't been so good, so I'm withholding judgment.

103 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:16:13pm

re: #96 albusteve

And one more (close enough).

Steely Dan - Pearl of The Quarter

104 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:16:13pm

re: #98 Stonemason

The downding was for the logical fallacies that permeated your post.
Back to lurking.

Same here, and the smug elitism just pissed me off.

105 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:16:39pm
106 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:16:50pm

re: #99 MandyManners

No, but I would be honored if you did.

107 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:16:58pm
108 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:17:25pm

re: #106 kobra_55

No, but I would be honored if you did.

Not when she tells you what to do with it.

109 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:17:27pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

There you go again.

110 shai_au  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:17:31pm

Some of the comments on that thread are absolute class. I don't think "comments of the day" threads should be limited to Hot Air!

111 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:17:45pm

re: #106 kobra_55

No, but I would be honored if you did.

Well, unzip and have at it.

112 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:18:13pm

re: #110 shai_au

Some of the comments on that thread are absolute class. I don't think "comments of the day" threads should be limited to Hot Air!

Morons don't deserve attention.

113 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:18:20pm

Oookay. BBIAB.

114 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:18:47pm

re: #111 MandyManners

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend with my post. Is there a way to delete it?

115 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:19:35pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder


So why did you try to engage me in a bullshit discussion of what I meant, bullshitter?

Because apparently meaningless phrases might have meaning I don't understand. I figured you wouldn't actually be able to explain it, but I thought I'd give you the opportunity.

Perhaps it's because I don't believe "climatology" is evolved enough as a science for the 99% percent (again, I call bullshit on that number, but whatever) to actually know what they're talking about when it comes to making predictions. Their record with ice ages hasn't been so good, so I'm withholding judgment.

What are you talking about with their record for ice ages?

The basic science for AGW-- Co2s action in the atmosphere-- has been known since before the turn of the century.

We have been putting out enormous amounts of CO2. That's simply a fact.

So, the very, very simplest of all examinations of the science would show, if you're putting more CO2 into an atmosphere, you will have warming.

That's AGW in a nutshell. All the observations and all of the data also shows them to be right.

I had thought you rather smarter than to think you were smarter than scientists who dedicate their lives to a subject.

This is one of the problems with education in this country: Why bother to study and get a PhD in climatology, if random dudes on the internet feel they have the authority to dismiss your entire field?

Thank god they do, in spite of ignorant dismissal by many.

116 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:21:27pm

re: #97 HoosierHoops

Some day..I'd love to visit your State...Fat Tuesday here I come!
Regards

I've been to New Orleans twice on the casino's dime. One of the few places I spent a lot of time outside of the casino. Friendly, locals and one hell of a party town. I found you can avoid a hangover by staying drunk.

117 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:22:56pm

re: #96 albusteve

okay...encore...


[Video]

I enjoyed that, albusteve!
And we did have a lot of damage at my house from Gustav.
Before & after pics.

118 keithgabryelski  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:23:07pm

re: #114 kobra_55

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend with my post. Is there a way to delete it?

I'd like to understand why people were offended. Is there anyone here that denies that AGW deniers are primarily anti-scientific who accuse the left of propagating "the world's biggest lie evah"?

119 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:23:28pm

re: #111 MandyManners

I deserved that.

120 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:24:34pm

re: #97 HoosierHoops

Some day..I'd love to visit your State...Fat Tuesday here I come!
Regards

HH - Come On Down!
Be prepared for a show . . . you'll have a great time.

121 shai_au  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:25:10pm

re: #112 Sharmuta

Morons don't deserve attention.

Yes... after having read the entire list, I can see your point. Sure are a lot of morons there.

122 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:25:17pm

re: #118 keithgabryelski

Nah they are right to downding. I should have been more specific. The way it was written came off as saying that I don't think there's any valid reason to doubt global warming rather than the light-hearted poke it was meant to be.

123 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:25:26pm

re: #118 keithgabryelski

I'd like to understand why people were offended. Is there anyone here that denies that AGW deniers are primarily anti-scientific who accuse the left of propagating "the world's biggest lie evah"?

It was hyperbolic. There are plenty of people who deny AGW without believing everything a bunch of wingnuts tell them.

124 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:25:46pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

I enjoyed that, albusteve!
And we did have a lot of damage at my house from Gustav.
Before & after pics.

whoa...the trees, bummer...I'm just glad nobody was injured there...forge ahead eh?

125 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:26:21pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Well put.

126 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:26:42pm

The Origin of Mass

Coolness.

Turn your sound way up.

127 keithgabryelski  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:26:55pm

re: #123 Obdicut

It was hyperbolic. There are plenty of people who deny AGW without believing everything a bunch of wingnuts tell them.

well, i see kobra agrees his writing was over the top.

carry on, all.

128 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:27:01pm

re: #111 MandyManners

Well, unzip and have at it.

in bed.

129 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:27:05pm

Alex Jones' lunatics complain...
Rush Limbaugh Censors Mention Of Prison Planet From His Own Archives

Any links to the Prison Planet.com story, which were prominently featured all over Limbaugh’s website, have also been deleted and replaced with a similar story by Newsbusters, a Neo-Con news website.

What caused Limbaugh to order the material removed? Our guess is that he was probably bombarded with e mails from the legions of virulently retarded Neo-Cons that make up the audience of phony right-wing websites like Free Republic, on which all Alex Jones material is aggressively banned.

It’s highly unlikely that Limbaugh ordered his webmaster to link to Prison Planet.com by mistake, he knows who we are because he’s attacked us on several occasions before. But any hopes that Limbaugh may be abandoning his Neo-Con base and coming across to the Ron Paul/Libertarian perspective appear to be dashed.

130 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:27:12pm

re: #124 albusteve

whoa...the trees, bummer...I'm just glad nobody was injured there...forge ahead eh?

It was all pretty much cleared in about 4-5 days. We helped neighbors - they helped us . . . it got done.

131 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:27:14pm

Well, took a break with a shower and now a beer. I have to say that it's possible to be an AGW skeptic and still oppose this email hacking. It's not right and it sets a bad president in so much that's it found acceptance in certain circles.

132 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:27:54pm

re: #100 albusteve

there's a killer McDonalds on Magazine St...jus sayin

Did you say McDonalds?
I am worse than the soup Nazi...I hate 99% of all American Food...It's nobodies fault but me.. I just hate most foods...I'm so picky..But then again..I weight 5 pounds of my playing weight in College...I don't preach healthy food... But don't cry to me.. *wink*

133 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:28:31pm

re: #116 avanti

I've been to New Orleans twice on the casino's dime. One of the few places I spent a lot of time outside of the casino. Friendly, locals and one hell of a party town. I found you can avoid a hangover by staying drunk.

I've been there because it's a wonderful little niche of American history and culture...I payed my own way...really cool that you could spend some time outside of a casino...wow!

134 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:28:58pm

re: #114 kobra_55

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend with my post. Is there a way to delete it?

Don't ask me. It's not my blog.

135 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:30:27pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It's been such a lousy week I almost forgot to drink.
Beer!
/an hour late.

THat's abad week if ya fergets the beer. Have one for me.

136 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:30:49pm

re: #134 MandyManners

I realize it's not your blog but you seem like someone who had posted on this blog for a long time, and I thought you might know.

137 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:31:09pm

re: #135 Guanxi88

THat's abad week if ya fergets the beer. Have one for me.

I never fergets me spinach.

//

138 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:31:17pm

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Did you say McDonalds?
I am worse than the soup Nazi...I hate 99% of all American Food...It's nobodies fault but me.. I just hate most foods...I'm so picky..But then again..I weight 5 pounds of my playing weight in College...I don't preach healthy food... But don't cry to me.. *wink*

food is at least half the reason to visit...too bad

139 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:31:17pm

re: #123 Obdicut

It was hyperbolic. There are plenty of people who deny AGW without believing everything a bunch of wingnuts tell them.

And, then there are those who think AGW might be an issue but don't like the hysterical hype from progressives and Luddites who use computers.

140 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:31:38pm

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Did you say McDonalds?
I am worse than the soup Nazi...I hate 99% of all American Food...It's nobodies fault but me.. I just hate most foods...I'm so picky..But then again..I weight 5 pounds of my playing weight in College...I don't preach healthy food... But don't cry to me.. *wink*

I had 2 vegetarian tacos from Jack in the Box for lunch today. Thats healthy right?

141 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:31:51pm

re: #128 Racer X

in bed.

Oh, dear me.

142 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:31:55pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones' lunatics complain...
Rush Limbaugh Censors Mention Of Prison Planet From His Own Archives

Rush was still stupid to post that link in the first place, but I'm glad he got rid of it. Hopefully, he's been rapped across the knuckles hard enough to keep him away from the crazy for a while.

143 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:32:30pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Oh, dear me.

Hey you walked right into that one. I had to.

144 Izzy Dunne  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:32:39pm

OT: I guess I don't understand how advertising works anymore.
Move your mouse in the wrong place on this LGF article, and you get interrupted with this important bulletin, trying to sell the REAL WORLD.
Click Here for Real World

Apparently these bozos pay CJ to insert this annoying (not to mention useless) crap in the articles.

145 Gearhead  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:32:49pm

re: #136 kobra_55

I realize it's not your blog but you seem like someone who had posted on this blog for a long time, and I thought you might know.

You can ask Charles to delete it if you wish, but your tone in later posts makes up for it, IMO.

146 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:33:17pm

re: #140 Racer X

I had 2 vegetarian tacos from Jack in the Box for lunch today. Thats healthy right?

maybe but there is no such thing...you got spoofed

147 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:33:36pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones' lunatics complain...
Rush Limbaugh Censors Mention Of Prison Planet From His Own Archives

Our guess is that he was probably bombarded with e mails from the legions of virulently retarded Neo-Cons that make up the audience of phony right-wing websites like Free Republic, on which all Alex Jones material is aggressively banned.

How fucking classy can one get?

148 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:33:46pm

re: #115 Obdicut

Because apparently meaningless phrases might have meaning I don't understand. I figured you wouldn't actually be able to explain it, but I thought I'd give you the opportunity.

You took enough meaning from the phrase to take offense at it. I saw no reason to offer you a hand when you did pretty well for yourself, Mister Textual Indeterminacy.

What are you talking about with their record for ice ages?

Back in the 1970s/80s, some of the same people who are now shrieking about the end of the world through heat were shrieking about the end of the world through cold. I reserve the right to think they may be no more right today than they were then.

The basic science for AGW-- Co2s action in the atmosphere-- has been known since before the turn of the century.

Wow, a whole ten years or more. That's what I call settled science.

I had thought you rather smarter than to think you were smarter than scientists who dedicate their lives to a subject.

Scientists who've dedicated their lives to the subject of nutrition have variously told me throughout my life that 1) the egg is bad for you, 2) the egg is good for you again, 3) high-fiber diets reduce the risk of cancer, 4) no they don't, 5) high doses of vitamin C are essential, 6) wait, they're pointless, you just piss away what the body can't absorb, 7) cholesterol can be controlled through diet, 8) no, you need Lipitor, etc., etc., literally ad nauseam.

I've been around for well over two thousand years. I've seen the earth go from round to flat to round again. You will forgive me if I don't put stock in what scientists whose discipline is in its infancy predict about what the world should do and how all of us should stand everything on its head just because they all - well, most of them - happen to agree about something at any given moment.

All the doctors since Galen believed in the four-humors theory of medicine until about 150 years ago. Oops!

149 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:34:44pm

re: #136 kobra_55

I realize it's not your blog but you seem like someone who had posted on this blog for a long time, and I thought you might know.

Well, there is the REPORT button but, why would I report you?

Loosen up, kobra.

150 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:34:55pm

re: #115 Obdicut

Don't play with the Grizzly Bears, they bite.

Lone wolf playing with Grizzly with cubs

151 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:34:57pm

re: #145 Gearhead

Thanks, I think I'll let it stand as a lesson for myself and my posterity.

152 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:35:11pm

re: #139 MandyManners

And, then there are those who think AGW might be an issue but don't like the hysterical hype from progressives and Luddites who use computers.

Well, that would depend on where you put the very subjective limit of 'hysterical'. I think AGW is a large problem that needs to be addressed far more than it currently is. I think that the methods proposed would be a good marker for hysteria, especially since a lot of them just plain won't work.

I don't think the issue can be overyhyped, really-- it is happening, and it is a problem, and it's more costly to fix the longer it goes on.

I do think that solutions can be massively, massively overhyped and are on a distressingly constant basis. Methods are often used for political goals, which subverts their actual usefulness in combating AGW.

I think the distinction is important.

And... fiancee home, off to have a drink with her. Goodnight, all.

153 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:35:16pm

re: #143 Racer X

Hey you walked right into that one. I had to.

*hangs head*

154 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:35:58pm

re: #149 MandyManners

You can call me kobes if you wanna

155 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:36:17pm

re: #139 MandyManners

And, then there are those who think AGW might be an issue but don't like the hysterical hype from progressives and Luddites who use computers.

Well put.

156 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:36:27pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Back in the 1970s/80s, some of the same people who are now shrieking about the end of the world through heat were shrieking about the end of the world through cold. I reserve the right to think they may be no more right today than they were then.

That's an oft-debunked talking point, as well. Sorry I have to run-- I'll hit you with the data for that later.

Have a good night. Sorry to be disappointed in you.

157 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:36:30pm

re: #151 kobra_55

Thanks, I think I'll let it stand as a lesson for myself and my posterity.

If I'm not mistaken, my very first post contained the word "Muslin" for the word "Muslim".

158 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:36:49pm

Back in the 70s the majority of scientists were discussing global warming, not global cooling. That talking point has been refuted here a number of times.

159 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:36:52pm

re: #154 kobra_55

You can call me kobes if you wanna

I'm not tracking.

160 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:36:59pm

re: #146 albusteve

maybe but there is no such thing...you got spoofed

I'm gonna hurl!

Heh, I like them anyways. I heard they are not made with meat.

161 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:37:03pm

re: #155 Bagua

Well put.

Thank you.

162 Gearhead  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:37:24pm

re: #151 kobra_55

Thanks, I think I'll let it stand as a lesson for myself and my posterity.

Chalk it up to experience. I delete waaay more than I type.

163 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:37:29pm

re: #159 MandyManners

I'm not tracking.

He's getting friendly. maybe wants to buy you a drink.

164 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:37:38pm

re: #156 Obdicut

That's an oft-debunked talking point, as well. Sorry I have to run-- I'll hit you with the data for that later.

Have a good night. Sorry to be disappointed in you.

Your posts here are replete with talking points. Cato is way ahead of you.

165 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:38:15pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

I think it was an intentional flirtation with the Alex Jones crowd. Glenn Beck poses a threat to Rush's influence. I think Rush is leaning towards a more "modern" interpretation of conservatism. Unfortunately there's a strong trend towards the Alex Jones/Glenn Beck/Ron Paul thing.

166 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:38:36pm

Ace reminds me of the ROTC instructor at my college, who once compared notes with Egypt's leading fighter pilot. He was an ACE, having shot down 5 Israeli jets!

...Trouble was, he had been shot down several times himself!

(I think he was doing it wrong...)

167 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:39:18pm

re: #156 Obdicut

That's an oft-debunked talking point, as well. Sorry I have to run-- I'll hit you with the data for that later.

Have a good night. Sorry to be disappointed in you.

Burn up whatever bit of goodwill you earn, why don't you?

168 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:39:38pm

re: #156 Obdicut

Sorry to be disappointed in you.

It's amazing. Guy's been here a week - seems nice enough, but is easily disappointed by the very blog he chose to join.

169 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:39:59pm

re: #163 Guanxi88

He's getting friendly. maybe wants to buy you a drink.

Huh?

170 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:40:41pm

re: #157 MandyManners

If I'm not mistaken, my very first post contained the word "Muslin" for the word "Muslim".

Clothist! Fabricist! Whatever! :)

171 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:40:43pm

re: #163 Guanxi88

He's getting friendly. maybe wants to buy you a drink.

Maybe he's not the one who's tracking. I was earlier refering to "Oh, go piss up a rope" without saying it.

172 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:40:50pm

Rule #1 in life.

Never argue with someone that disagrees with you unless it involves money.

//

173 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #169 MandyManners

Huh?

It's a joke, Mandy. Guy says, "My name is Harvey Manfregensenton" You chat a bit, and he says "you can call me Harv" right before he asks the barkeep "another for the lady here."

174 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:41:30pm

BTW Mandy what is Calvin taking a whizz on there in your display picture? I can't quite make it out.

175 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:41:35pm

re: #170 SteveC

Clothist! Fabricist! Whatever! :)

Weavist!

176 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:42:42pm

re: #175 MandyManners

Weavist!

Loomist!

177 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:42:48pm

re: #173 Guanxi88

It's a joke, Mandy. Guy says, "My name is Harvey Manfregensenton" You chat a bit, and he says "you can call me Harv" right before he asks the barkeep "another for the lady here."

Well, back in the day, I'd order a round for him first if I had any interest in talking with him.

178 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:02pm

re: #170 SteveC

Clothist! Fabricist! Whatever! :)

The formal word is "Textiles"

179 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:05pm

re: #174 kobra_55

BTW Mandy what is Calvin taking a whizz on there in your display picture? I can't quite make it out.

Look closely at the color and the script.

180 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:25pm

re: #158 Sharmuta

Back in the 70s the majority of scientists were discussing global warming, not global cooling. That talking point has been refuted here a number of times.

The satirical SF novel Fallen Angels portrayed a dystopian world ruled by ineffectual and superstitious Green luddites. By the time of the action, the world was in the grip of a new ice age, but the background cited global warming fears and CO2 pollution as the explanation for the Greens's rise to absolute power.
It was written in 1991, so AGW was a prominent enough issue even then to have made it into popular awareness.

181 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:34pm

re: #176 SteveC

Loomist!

Texturist!

182 scrad  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:37pm

ok, I don't want to come across as crass, well maybe, but who the F**K gives a SH*T what Charles Johnson does or does not do on his web site??

Why do these people give a Sh*t if he deletes comments because they have words that contain the letter 'F' or the number '7' too many times??

What is their motivation? Fear? Need to be right? Need to find ways to discredit an opposing view?

183 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:58pm

re: #178 Bagua

The formal word is "Textiles"

Sackist!

184 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:58pm

re: #174 kobra_55

BTW Mandy what is Calvin taking a whizz on there in your display picture? I can't quite make it out.

Whatever is handy. Calvin's on diuretics these days, and when nature calls, you answer!

185 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:43:59pm

re: #177 MandyManners

Well, back in the day, I'd order a round for him first if I had any interest in talking with him.

Why am I not surprised? Tell us the truth: your Clue-Bat used to be used to club your chosen date, and your charm would induce his friends to drag him home for you.

186 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:44:12pm

re: #181 MandyManners

Texturist!

Textilist!

187 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:44:48pm

re: #179 MandyManners

Aha! if I'm not mistaken Calvin is whizzing on Islamofascists. Waste of good urine if you ask me.

188 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:45:04pm

re: #178 Bagua

The formal word is "Textiles"

Just a bunch of greige goods, if you ask me.

189 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:45:16pm

re: #182 scrad

ok, I don't want to come across as crass, well maybe, but who the F**K gives a SH*T what Charles Johnson does or does not do on his web site??

Why do these people give a Sh*t if he deletes comments because they have words that contain the letter 'F' or the number '7' too many times??

What is their motivation? Fear? Need to be right? Need to find ways to discredit an opposing view?

Beats777the777flying777fuck777out777of777me777.

190 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:45:37pm

re: #140 Racer X

I had 2 vegetarian tacos from Jack in the Box for lunch today. Thats healthy right?

LOL..
I uploaded a picture of my son's best friend from the marines..
We played ball during a 72...
I destroyed him on the court...Pissed him off
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Daddy ain't playing with you Marine..
/Plack is good people..I'm just teasing him...I love him like a son

191 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:45:48pm

re: #185 Guanxi88

Why am I not surprised? Tell us the truth: your Clue-Bat used to be used to club your chosen date, and your charm would induce his friends to drag him home for you.


To his home. Not mine.

192 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:45:58pm

re: #188 SteveC

Just a bunch of greige goods, if you ask me.

This whole thread is rapidly unravelling. Come, let us pick up the loose ends, mend the frayed fabric, and return this darned narrative to whence it came.

193 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:46:03pm
194 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:46:13pm

re: #186 Gus 802

Textilist!

Spoolist!

195 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:46:16pm

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel

There has been a discussion on CO2 increasing the planet's temperature for over a century.

196 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:46:35pm

re: #187 kobra_55

Aha! if I'm not mistaken Calvin is whizzing on Islamofascists. Waste of good urine if you ask me.

Well, what would be a good use?

197 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:46:43pm

Oh, never mind.

198 Guanxi88  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:46:54pm

re: #191 MandyManners

To his home. Not mine.

Of course his place. As if you'd let him near your lair.

199 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:47:15pm
200 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:48:17pm

re: #192 Guanxi88

This whole thread is rapidly unravelling. Come, let us pick up the loose ends, mend the frayed fabric, and return this darned narrative to whence it came.

Bobbin lover!

201 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:48:27pm

re: #182 scrad

69 comments in 3 years and you drop that turd?

202 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:48:57pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

Of course his place. As if you'd let him near your lair.

As if I'd go anywhere near his. When I went out, it was to drink a bit and dance a LOT!

203 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:49:25pm

re: #201 Bagua

69 comments in 3 years and you drop that turd?

Paging Dr. Freud.

204 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:50:13pm

re: #193 Racer X

THE MOST RACIST COMMERCIAL EVER!!!


Raiden's put on a little weight!

205 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:50:18pm

re: #201 Bagua

69 comments in 3 years and you drop that turd?

STINKY! Something stinky in Aisle 4!

206 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:50:52pm

re: #203 MandyManners

Paging Dr. Freud Flounce.

fixed

207 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:51:13pm
208 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #193 Racer X

If you find a mattress at a better price I'll kick a puppy and punch a kitten just for youuu!
Ha ha ha! That is amazing!

209 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:52:08pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Speaking of textiles.

=)

Why is she even bothering to wear anything at all?

210 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:53:11pm

re: #201 Bagua

But he's right. Why does anyone care if Charles deletes a comment on his own site? It's his site. He can delete whatever he wants to. But these morons have to use this as an excuse to try to discredit Charles and it's pretty fucking stupid.

211 kobra_55  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:53:14pm

re: #207 SteveC

That is definitely interesting, thanks for posting it.

212 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:53:21pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Why is she even bothering to wear anything at all?

Oh, I don't know.

213 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:53:52pm

re: #207 SteveC

Very revealing -

Take from the poor, give to the rich

But, wouldn't good medical care, be more expensive in NY than say, Utah?
Cost of living...

214 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:54:55pm

re: #186 Gus 802

Textilist!

Woolly Bully...

215 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:55:15pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Speaking of textiles.

=)

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Why is she even bothering to wear anything at all?

What is that material? Is it comfortable? Does it hold up in the wash? Come here, young lady; my colleagues and I need to examine that fabric more closely!

216 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:55:54pm

re: #210 Sharmuta

Yes, I agree with that part of his post. The downding is for the crude language and poor grammar from such an occasional poster.

Also, I believe most of us regulars not only care about what Charles posts but we strongly approve of it.

217 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:56:02pm

re: #205 SteveC

STINKY! Something stinky in Aisle 4!

oh please...

218 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:58:01pm

re: #216 Bagua

Yes, I agree with that part of his post. The downding is for the crude language and poor grammar from such an occasional poster.

Also, I believe most of us regulars not only care about what Charles posts but we strongly approve of it.

lighten up...I use as much crude language as I think my mom would let me get away with...there is no yardstick

219 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:58:23pm

If this guy can do it in Maine it can be done pretty much anywhere...
Four season gardening

220 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:58:34pm

re: #214 albusteve

Woolly Bully...


Now he's a motivational speaker.

221 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:58:43pm

re: #182 scrad

ok, I don't want to come across as crass, well maybe, but who the F**K gives a SH*T what Charles Johnson does or does not do on his web site??

Why do these people give a Sh*t if he deletes comments because they have words that contain the letter 'F' or the number '7' too many times??

What is their motivation? Fear? Need to be right? Need to find ways to discredit an opposing view?

I up-dinged you because I don't think you were attacking Charles.

222 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:59:05pm
223 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:59:33pm

re: #214 albusteve

Surfin' Bird

224 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:00:23pm

re: #213 Floral Giraffe

But, wouldn't good medical care, be more expensive in NY than say, Utah?
Cost of living...

I would think so.

There's actually a whole array of factors at work, and that would be one of them. However, one of the commenters said this:

What is interesting, the states with the most generous eligibility have the lowest reimbursement rates. It’s just an alternative rationing technique.

New York State has the most expensive Medicaid program in the country. At something like $50 billion annually, it is operated like an economic development program. The state has no incentive to rein in wasteful spending because the federal government pays half the cost. Reducing waste, fraud and abuse would cut the amount of federal dollars flowing into the New York State health care industry.

Now, what he said about the federal gov't paying half, reducing any incentive to redude waste and fraud - that applies to all states.

And each state can set its own eligibility requirements, within guidelines, I believe. So NY state can have generous eligibility requirements, meaning more people receive the assistance. I don't know how accurate his statement about the NY State having the lowest reimbursement rates is. If true, then providers are making it up by charging regular (richer) clients more. So I'm not sure that chart shows exactly what it seems to show - the "taking from the poor to give to the rich".

225 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:00:47pm

re: #218 albusteve

lighten up...I use as much crude language as I think my mom would let me get away with...there is no yardstick

Agreed, but you are a regular post who joins in the conversations. You don't just pop in out of the blue and drop a furious and profane message.

226 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:01:02pm

re: #222 SteveC

Does it pay to work?

Who is this person you are linking to.
And, why should I care?

I'm truly asking if he's a valid source...

227 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:01:47pm

re: #225 Bagua

Agreed, but you are a regular post who joins in the conversations. You don't just pop in out of the blue and drop a furious and profane message.

I might tho...don you armor!

228 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:02:18pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

If this guy can do it in Maine it can be done pretty much anywhere...
Four season gardening

[Video]

I'm trying to get to the original site for that video so I can link to it at the blog, but I can't. Can you send me the link via e-mail?

229 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:03:24pm

you armor?
not today, thanks

230 Randall Gross  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:03:54pm

re: #182 scrad

Need to find ways to discredit an opposing view?

Bingo. Charles is one of the most credible bloggers blogging daily, and if they had an ounce of honesty themselves they'd be able to move on and not nitpick endlessly to find flaw.

231 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:04:52pm

When the battle is won... tighten your helmet - old Samurai maxim

(katte kabuto no o o shimeyo)

232 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:05:17pm

re: #228 reine.de.tout

I think it came from this site : Cultivating Life although I don't see the video posted on their site. The video might be a year or two old.

233 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:05:52pm

re: #231 Bagua

When the battle is won... tighten your helmet - old Samurai maxim

(katte kabuto no o o shimeyo)

Funny. Watching "Ronin" right now.

234 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:05:55pm

re: #226 Floral Giraffe

Who is this person you are linking to.
And, why should I care?

I'm truly asking if he's a valid source...

John Goodman's a pretty good health policy blogger; like everybody else, he gets some things right, he gets some things wrong. I just happened to have two Goodman posts tonight that interested me, and i thought it would interest others.

As always, your mileage may vary.

235 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:06:44pm

I have cucumbers out the wazoo. *ahem* Garden isn't don't so well, but cukes are going ape shit.

236 brookly red  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:06:50pm

re: #229 albusteve

no flag no foul ;)

237 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:07:52pm

re: #235 cliffster

I have cucumbers out the wazoo.

Umm... isn't there a pill for that?

238 Gearhead  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:08:07pm

re: #233 Cato the Elder

Funny. Watching "Ronin" right now.

Great movie. Greatest car chase ever.

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:08:19pm

re: #228 reine.de.tout

Ah found it: Four Season Farm

Living in a northern climate doesn't mean you can't enjoy fresh vegetables from your own garden year round. We visited the Four Season Farm in Harborside, Maine where renowned organic farmer and author Eliot Coleman shared some of his cold weather gardening secrets.


Eliot has been fooling Mother Nature for over thirty years now and has proven that with some simple techniques we all can enjoy perpetual spring in our gardens.

Special Thanks:

Eliot Coleman

www.fourseasonfarm.com

240 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:08:38pm

re: #233 Cato the Elder

Funny. Watching "Ronin" right now.

More confirmation of the reality of the collective unconscious.

241 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:09:49pm

I just a had a double-double from In-N-Out Burger.

And you didn't.

Neener neener neener.

*burp*

242 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:10:04pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

Favorited, to watch later!
Thanks!

243 Bloodnok  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:10:22pm

re: #235 cliffster

I have cucumbers out the wazoo. *ahem* Garden isn't don't so well, but cukes are going ape shit.

I would assume that's time that could better be spent working on the garden.

244 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:10:31pm

re: #237 SteveC

Umm... isn't there a pill for that?

No. You're thinking Viagra, but I said out the wazoo, not up the wazoo.

245 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:10:32pm

College makes BMI a required test

Entering freshmen at Lincoln University have to get their body mass index, or BMI, measured. And if the result comes back above 30, the threshold for obesity, the students have to take a physical education class called "HPR 103 Fitness Walking/ Conditioning" or they can't graduate.

I'd take the class just because I enjoy walking, but to pin your graduation to your BMI? Wow!

246 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:10:34pm

re: #241 Racer X

I just a had a double-double from In-N-Out Burger.

And you didn't.

Neener neener neener.

*burp*

Animal style?
LOL!
YUM!

247 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:10:54pm

re: #234 SteveC

Thanks!

248 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:12:05pm

re: #235 cliffster

I have cucumbers out the wazoo. *ahem* Garden isn't don't so well, but cukes are going ape shit.

THIS IS A FUCKING FAMILY BLOG!

249 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:12:40pm

re: #245 SteveC

College makes BMI a required test

I'd take the class just because I enjoy walking, but to pin your graduation to your BMI? Wow!

bullshit...no public institution could pull that crap

250 jaunte  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:13:14pm

re: #248 MandyManners

Isn't "Cucumbers out the Wazoo" one of those cute talking veggie tapes?

251 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:13:47pm

re: #250 jaunte

You are VERY brave!

252 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:14:30pm

re: #231 Bagua

"They're on our right, they're on our left, they're in front of us, they're behind us; they can't get away from us this time."
Chesty Puller, USMC, Chosin Reservoir, Korean War

253 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:14:33pm

re: #248 MandyManners

THIS IS A FUCKING FAMILY BLOG!

Peppers are doing pretty good too. I can't bring myself to say "peppers" and "wazoo" in the same sentence, but would you forgive me if I shipped you some jalapeños and serranos?

254 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:14:38pm

re: #250 jaunte

Isn't "Cucumbers out the Wazoo" one of those cute talking veggie tapes?

That or something much more kinky.

255 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:14:54pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

I think it came from this site : Cultivating Life although I don't see the video posted on their site. The video might be a year or two old.

I just linked to your comment that had the video in it. It works out.

256 Gearhead  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:15:08pm

re: #245 SteveC

College makes BMI a required test

I'd take the class just because I enjoy walking, but to pin your graduation to your BMI? Wow!

If they were smart they'd aim for healthy weight and not just anti-obesity. Lot of eating disorders out there.

257 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:15:46pm

re: #254 Sharmuta

That or something much more kinky.

Is Madonna on this thread?

258 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:15:46pm
259 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:16:03pm

re: #241 Racer X

I just a had a double-double from In-N-Out Burger.

And you didn't.

Neener neener neener.

*burp*

Their T-Shirts make great gifts for friends & family outside the area.
100% cotton, cheap too!

Since Christmas is almost upon us.
And I admit to being "gift challenged"!

260 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:16:05pm

re: #248 MandyManners

THIS IS A FUCKING FAMILY BLOG!

Like "Family Guy" is a family show, maybe...

261 brookly red  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:16:33pm

re: #253 cliffster

Peppers are doing pretty good too. I can't bring myself to say "peppers" and "wazoo" in the same sentence, but would you forgive me if I shipped you some jalapeños and serranos?

careful Mandy, you never know where they have been...

262 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:16:51pm

re: #238 Gearhead

Great movie. Greatest car chase ever.

And the actress playing the blonde, ice-princess Irish terrorist wants me. Badly.

263 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:17:08pm

re: #257 cliffster

Is Madonna on this thread?

ew..

264 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:17:25pm

re: #241 Racer X

I just a had a double-double from In-N-Out Burger.

And you didn't.

Neener neener neener.

*burp*

Well, this was my week to provide the main course for my neighborhood's roving meal. For 10 households, I had prime rib so tender it would yield to a harsh glance, roasted asparagus with some sorta' Parmesan concoction, thin slices of taters in a creamy dill sauce and freshly baked bread.

Catering: it's what's for dinner.

265 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:17:36pm

re: #190 HoosierHoops

LOL..
I uploaded a picture of my son's best friend from the marines..
We played ball during a 72...
I destroyed him on the court...Pissed him off
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Daddy ain't playing with you Marine..
/Plack is good people..I'm just teasing him...I love him like a son

I want you lizards to realize something...When I was 14 years old I was shooting a 1000 shots a day from 18 feet..
Athletes are so above that..They go the mile beyond us...Our Children that want to go to the Olympics train beyond our abilities...or our dreams..
This isn't playschool.. At 4am in the morning they awake and train for a dream...I am so proud of our our Athletes.. They work so hard..They give all they have...They train so hard...The full measure of their life..
Support our Athletes Lizards...

266 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:18:14pm

re: #250 jaunte

Isn't "Cucumbers out the Wazoo" one of those cute talking veggie tapes?

I don't wanna' know about that.

267 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:18:44pm

re: #256 Gearhead

If they were smart they'd aim for healthy weight and not just anti-obesity. Lot of eating disorders out there.

people are way fat...to fat to sit in a chair, sorry...airlines?, too bad...can't fit in an ambulance?...whoops...we need to be practical as a culture, not suffer the obese with tough love, that's for others

268 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:19:10pm

re: #253 cliffster

Peppers are doing pretty good too. I can't bring myself to say "peppers" and "wazoo" in the same sentence, but would you forgive me if I shipped you some jalapeños and serranos?

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

269 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:19:36pm
270 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:20:06pm

re: #260 Cato the Elder

Like "Family Guy" is a family show, maybe...

Sometimes I'd like to shoot a television.

271 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:20:08pm

re: #264 MandyManners

Well, this was my week to provide the main course for my neighborhood's roving meal. For 10 households, I had prime rib so tender it would yield to a harsh glance, roasted asparagus with some sorta' Parmesan concoction, thin slices of taters in a creamy dill sauce and freshly baked bread.

Catering: it's what's for dinner.

Oh man. I'm hungry again.

272 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:20:32pm

re: #267 albusteve

I'm 5'10" 159 lbs, even I have a hard time fitting into that space the airlines call a seat.

273 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:20:33pm

re: #262 Cato the Elder

And the actress playing the blonde, ice-princess Irish terrorist wants me. Badly.

Bwahahahahaha!
I'm sorry, but that is jut TOO FUNNY!

274 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:20:38pm

re: #268 MandyManners

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

If you can roll it and smoke it, what do you care what I call it?

275 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:20:56pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

got it!
Thanks.

276 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:21:53pm

re: #272 Idle Drifter

I'm 5'10" 159 lbs, even I have a hard time fitting into that space the airlines call a seat.

no you don't...be honest

277 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:22:25pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

Bwahahahahaha!
I'm sorry, but that is jut TOO FUNNY!

Cato wants Cato

278 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:22:58pm

re: #276 albusteve

See this...this is my serious face.

279 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:23:18pm

Viagra helpful for children with certain heart defects

TUESDAY, Nov. 17 (HealthDay News) -- The erectile dysfunction drug sildenafil, commonly known as Viagra, boosts the heart's pumping ability in children and young adults who've had the Fontan operation to correct single-ventricle heart defects, researchers report.

Gosh durn it, never had the Fontan, so no pecker picker upper for me!

280 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:23:33pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

I want you lizards to realize something...When I was 14 years old I was shooting a 1000 shots a day from 18 feet..
Athletes are so above that..They go the mile beyond us...Our Children that want to go to the Olympics train beyond our abilities...or our dreams..
This isn't playschool.. At 4am in the morning they awake and train for a dream...I am so proud of our our Athletes.. They work so hard..They give all they have...They train so hard...The full measure of their life..
Support our Athletes Lizards...

I take my hat off to you and your's, Hoops. I've never wanted anything that badly, nor worked that hard in my whole life.

281 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #278 Idle Drifter

See this...this is my serious face.

uuuggghhh!...WOOK OUUUT!...WON FOR YO LIVES!

282 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #279 SteveC

Viagra helpful for children with certain heart defects

Gosh durn it, never had the Fontan, so no pecker picker upper for me!

Somehow, i still don't think Mrs. Funky Heart has any complaints.

283 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:24:43pm
284 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:25:53pm

re: #283 Racer X

Nice.

285 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:26:07pm

re: #283 Racer X

Meteor between the Clouds

Very cool!

286 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:26:28pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

Bwahahahahaha!
I'm sorry, but that is jut TOO FUNNY!

AHEM.
Spellcheck is my friend.
Spellcheck is my friend...

It's JUST too funny.
And, spellcheck is my friend...

287 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:27:01pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Somehow, i still don't think Mrs. Funky Heart has any complaints.

YOU'VE MET HER? What's she look like?

/"Yes, General, I am stuck on single."

288 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:27:44pm
289 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:27:46pm

re: #283 Racer X

Meteor between the Clouds

Way way cool!

290 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:27:52pm

re: #281 albusteve

"I am the Destroyer of Worlds" didn't go over so well on the resume.

Serious Face Team America

291 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:28:36pm

re: #288 Racer X

Heh!

That trex is going to Hell.

292 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:29:12pm

re: #271 Racer X

Oh man. I'm hungry again.

You wouldn't be here. It's a roving meal. Lotsa' food. None goes to waste. Each week someone provides this/that/the other. It switches.

The summers can be really fun and crazy. (Half-shit-faced idiots trying to drive their golf carts off the road...) The winter? Well, they wear heavy coats while driving those very same golf carts off the very same road.)

293 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:30:26pm

re: #290 Idle Drifter

"I am the Destroyer of Worlds" didn't go over so well on the resume.

Serious Face Team America

gawd...no thanks

294 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:30:37pm

re: #290 Idle Drifter

"I am the Destroyer of Worlds" didn't go over so well on the resume.

Serious Face Team America

Well, you only get to do that Destroyer of Worlds gig once, and how is your supervisor going to suggest improvement?

295 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:30:57pm

re: #274 cliffster

If you can roll it and smoke it, what do you care what I call it?

Fucking A.


296 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:31:09pm

re: #288 Racer X

It's Evolution

297 gulfloafer  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:31:42pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder
Late to the thread here but I gotta say I'm with you on this one.

298 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:32:14pm

re: #295 MandyManners

Fucking A.

[Video]

Rooo ooo ooo lll lll lll lll another one.

299 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:32:24pm

re: #287 SteveC

YOU'VE MET HER? What's she look like?

/"Yes, General, I am stuck on single."

Oops, sorry. Thanks for taking it in stride though.

300 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:32:27pm

re: #293 albusteve

Yeah, it was kind of a low blow. ZING!

301 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:33:52pm

Charles -

Hacking Per Se Sucks when one is Not at War. That is all.

-S-

302 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:34:18pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Oops, sorry. Thanks for taking it in stride though.

No problem! Just holdin' out for a good one.

303 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:34:39pm

re: #301 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Hacking Per Se Sucks when one is Not at War. That is all.

-S-

Random upding for a random comment

304 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:34:40pm

re: #295 MandyManners

Fucking A.

an original by the Family of Man, Lowell George co-wrote that song...he went on to form Little Feat who still play it today...just to be fair

305 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:34:41pm

Do the Evolution!

306 irish rose  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:35:05pm

Good evening, lizards.

Ace is still being an ass, I see.

307 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:35:19pm

re: #270 MandyManners

Sometimes I'd like to shoot a television.

Once, long ago, some equally crazy friends of mine and I got drunk and threw one off the roof of a high rise apartment building into an alley.

It was very satisfying.

308 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:35:28pm

re: #300 Idle Drifter

Yeah, it was kind of a low blow. ZING!

my ears are plugged, my lips are sealed

309 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:35:33pm

I will not be supporting the Texas Tech Red Raiders in their game with Oklahoma tomorrow. This is a protest against the absolutely appalling off-campus behavior I have witnessed from TTU students this fall.

One new fad among the socially challenged seems to consist of spitting toward anyone they don't like (from a distance of course) or, more likely, who is mistakenly perceived as occupying a lower social stratum. I saw happen twice in a few minutes at Wal-Mart a few night ago. I asked the security guard about it. He said, yes, it is illegal and beastly but there is probably not enough room in the jail to contain all the drunken students who indulge in it. A soldier on leave reported that students routinely spit and make obscene gestures at him in public. Since most of these students are brain-dead ultra-conformists from rural West Texas or the Dallas suburbs, there could scarcely be any political content, however depraved, in their actions. They are simply acting out the white-trash-gone-to-town value system they were raised with and that most of the them lack the mentality to question.
I have already met some OU fans who are here for the game. They are without exception polite and civilized. TTU fans are, of course, nationally notorious for their barbaric behavior in the stadium and confines, so much so that hundreds of extra security personnel are hired to supplement the already numerous campus and city police during each home game.

Not all of our students behave like escapees from the baboon enclosure but enough do for it to reflect on the whole community.

310 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:35:41pm

re: #306 irish rose

Good evening, lizards.

Ace is still being an ass, I see.

Ass of Spades.

311 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:36:01pm

re: #310 Cato the Elder

Ass of Spades.

LOL!

312 brookly red  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:37:28pm

re: #307 Cato the Elder

Once, long ago, some equally crazy friends of mine and I got drunk and threw one off the roof of a high rise apartment building into an alley.

It was very satisfying.

Cool. I loved the "mad as hell" scene in Network...

313 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:37:58pm

re: #309 Shiplord Kirel

OU will whip the shit out of TT, and they will do so with class. Watch it with the white trash commentary though; you aren't living up to OU's standards you seem to admire.

314 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:37:59pm

re: #307 Cato the Elder

Once, long ago, some equally crazy friends of mine and I got drunk and threw one off the roof of a high rise apartment building into an alley.

It was very satisfying.

Gravity. It's still the law!

315 irish rose  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:38:01pm

re: #33 Bagua

This foolish and dishonest fabrication by "Ace" really has me annoyed, I am tempted to break tradition and leave a post on his site setting him straight.

He doesn't care.
He's morally bankrupt.

316 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:39:38pm

Nate Silver on the AGW e-mails. BTW, he posts one, I hope that's OK.

AGW.

317 doubter4444  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:39:53pm

re: #114 kobra_55

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend with my post. Is there a way to delete it?

I'm sure that this has been addressed, but deleting the post is not the point.
Look you say whatever you want (within reason), but to say:

"If I had a deep-seated fear and distrust of liberal thinking, and if I didn't understand science very well, and I couldn't make heads or tails of any data I found about climate change, and if I believed everything a bunch of wingnuts fed to me, I probably wouldn't believe in it either."

Makes you sound exactly like the people I, as a left leaning person, have spent years trying to prove are only a small, if vocal, minority.
Smug and almost uncompromisable... and we are trying here to convince the lizards that lefties can discuss without condescending.
That's why I down-dinged.
But don't apologize. It's not necessary.

318 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:40:43pm

re: #315 irish rose

He doesn't care.
He's morally bankrupt.

Fuck Ace. I'm surprised by the acknowledgement of existence this thread gives him.

319 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:42:31pm

re: #318 cliffster

Fuck Ace. I'm surprised by the acknowledgement of existence this thread gives him.

It's impossible of Uncle Jimbo to beclown himself because he already is a clown. Always was, always will be.

320 doubter4444  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:43:12pm

re: #309 Shiplord Kirel

I will not be supporting the Texas Tech Red Raiders in their game with Oklahoma tomorrow. This is a protest against the absolutely appalling off-campus behavior I have witnessed from TTU students this fall.

One new fad among the socially challenged seems to consist of spitting toward anyone they don't like (from a distance of course) or, more likely, who is mistakenly perceived as occupying a lower social stratum. I saw happen twice in a few minutes at Wal-Mart a few night ago. I asked the security guard about it. He said, yes, it is illegal and beastly but there is probably not enough room in the jail to contain all the drunken students who indulge in it. A soldier on leave reported that students routinely spit and make obscene gestures at him in public. Since most of these students are brain-dead ultra-conformists from rural West Texas or the Dallas suburbs, there could scarcely be any political content, however depraved, in their actions. They are simply acting out the white-trash-gone-to-town value system they were raised with and that most of the them lack the mentality to question.
I have already met some OU fans who are here for the game. They are without exception polite and civilized. TTU fans are, of course, nationally notorious for their barbaric behavior in the stadium and confines, so much so that hundreds of extra security personnel are hired to supplement the already numerous campus and city police during each home game.

Not all of our students behave like escapees from the baboon enclosure but enough do for it to reflect on the whole community.

Sorry for you, I know what you mean.
No offense, but any school that hired Bobby Knight lost my respect the moment they did it.

321 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:44:45pm

re: #320 doubter4444

it's not about ethics, it's about the W/L record...Knight is a super millionaire, what's that tell you

322 doubter4444  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:44:48pm

re: #317 doubter4444

uncompromisable = incomprehensible

PIMF
(hello kettle!)

323 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:45:14pm

OT - Hoffman doesn't have enough votes.

[Link: www.watertowndailytimes.com...]

324 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:45:35pm
325 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:46:12pm

re: #321 albusteve

it's not about ethics, it's about the W/L record...Knight is a super millionaire, what's that tell you

Hold one second, let me go throw a chair across my living room and then strangle a teenage boy, then I'll answer your question.

326 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:47:11pm

re: #307 Cato the Elder

Once, long ago, some equally crazy friends of mine and I got drunk and threw one off the roof of a high rise apartment building into an alley.

It was very satisfying.

Good thing no one was sleeping below.

(Gosh, you can kick my ass for being a sanctimonious asshole now.)

327 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:48:25pm

re: #324 MandyManners

This find takes a place of honor high up in my link repository, right next to Dr. Hook.

[Video]

Oh, for fuck's sake. IT IS DR. HOOK.

328 doubter4444  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:49:09pm

re: #321 albusteve

it's not about ethics, it's about the W/L record...Knight is a super millionaire, what's that tell you

You know, that's true.
I'm a big college sports fan, I like the fact that the kids are not as polished and have a real sprit, as opposed to the pros.
But him and the shark from UNLV (didn't he finish at TTU, too?)
and so many others really sicken me.
That said, I love ACC hoops.
My wife went to Wake Forest and got me hooked.
Duke sucks (obligatory)

329 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:49:19pm
330 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:51:10pm

re: #324 MandyManners

That's one krazy kat

331 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:51:56pm

re: #326 MandyManners

Good thing no one was sleeping below.

(Gosh, you can kick my ass for being a sanctimonious asshole now.)

We actually reconnoitered first...

332 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:52:00pm

re: #327 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. IT IS DR. HOOK.

LOL, is that The Kid?

333 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:53:55pm

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

I take my hat off to you and your's, Hoops. I've never wanted anything that badly, nor worked that hard in my whole life.

I'm going to tell you something...During the Atlanta Olympics..The torch came across our road at 5am in Napa valley.. I was there..Coffee in hand.. Right at soscal street at 5am with a hundred cop cars on 3rd street early in the morning..I stood there with my coffee in hand with tears in my eyes..
Silently a runner came running by...It took a half an hour...I saw her coming...
Very slowly ...I have never been so moved...I am never been so proud in my life...She paced the concrete..one foot at a time..with the torch...Slowly
Just as the Sun was glowing in Napa at 5am...I had tears in my eyes..I have never experienced anything like it it my my life

334 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:54:57pm

re: #329 Racer X

Landscapes

I went camping there before. Caught some bigass bass in that river.

335 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:56:01pm

re: #334 cliffster

I went camping there before. Caught some bigass bass in that river.

Billy the Bigass Bass?

336 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:57:36pm

re: #333 HoosierHoops

Awww, you may talk tough, but you're just a marshmallow!

338 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:58:55pm

re: #336 Floral Giraffe

339 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:59:01pm

re: #330 cliffster

That's one krazy kat

Not really. It's a cat.

340 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:00:06pm

re: #331 Cato the Elder

We actually reconnoitered first...

Good going.

341 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:00:06pm

re: #334 cliffster

I went camping there before. Caught some bigass bass in that river.

I've caught Largemouth Bass, but never any Bigass Bass. I bet they taste like . . .

342 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:00:36pm

re: #332 Bagua

LOL, is that The Kid?

No. He has better drugs.

343 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:02:48pm

Hey, any here see Walter around tonight? I have a big thank you to hand out!

344 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:02:50pm

OT: The LHC is back in operation. Hopefully this run yields some useful data.

345 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:03:34pm

re: #341 Racer X

I've caught Largemouth Bass, but never any Bigass Bass. I bet they taste like . . .

I've caught a Grass Bass aka snagging a big clump of weeds.

346 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:04:25pm

Gin Soaked Raisins For Arthritis

We have received more mail about this "raisin remedy" than any other home remedy we have written about.

We don?t know how it got started or why it works, but many readers swear it relieves arthritis pain.

Ingredients: golden raisins and gin.

Empty the raisins into a bowl and pour in just enough gin to cover the raisins. Allow the gin to evaporate (about one week) and then place the moist raisins in a jar with a lid.

Eat nine raisins a day. They go well on cereal!

347 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:04:58pm

re: #343 Irenicum

Hey, any here see Walter around tonight? I have a big thank you to hand out!

His mojo is that good, eh?

348 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:05:36pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

OT: The LHC is back in operation. Hopefully this run yields some useful data.

Yeah, you think that's cool, until the world gets obliterated in an infinite-gravity crack in space.

349 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:05:44pm

Ummm Ace seems to also miss the fact that I posted on the late night dead thread that you probably wouldn't want links from your blog to this material posted.

350 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:06:21pm

re: #333 HoosierHoops

During the Atlanta Olympics..

The Atlanta Olympics were practically in my back yard, and a friend and I decided to get tickets to some events and go. We couldn't find a hotel room, so we drove down to Atlanta, saw Men's Basketball, Women's Judo, and a baseball game, and drove back - all in 24 hours. That was Monday. On Saturday the bomb went off.

Some yahoo called my 90 year old grandmother and said "They just blew up Atlanta! Everyone's dead!!!" She knew I was going but didn't know when. A moment later, the phone rings at my house. (about 6:45 AM)

Dad says "You better get up and talk to your grandmother, something is going on in Atlanta and she's convinced you're in trouble." So I go down to the kitchen, half asleep, and answer the phone.

Me: "Hello?"
Her: "Are you dead?!?!"
Me:" No, I'm not dead! Half asleep, but not dead!"
Her: "Are you sure?!?!"

351 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:06:36pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

OT: The LHC is back in operation. Hopefully this run yields some useful data.

Cool!

You can watch the live webcam here .

352 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:06:43pm

re: #346 Racer X

Sounds like quite the tonic to me!

353 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:07:01pm

re: #289 reine.de.tout

Hi! OT~ If a person was really allergic to mold, could they still have a good time in New Orleans?

354 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:08:01pm

re: #346 Racer X

Gin Soaked Raisins For Arthritis

We have received more mail about this "raisin remedy" than any other home remedy we have written about.

We don?t know how it got started or why it works, but many readers swear it relieves arthritis pain.

Ingredients: golden raisins and gin.

Empty the raisins into a bowl and pour in just enough gin to cover the raisins. Allow the gin to evaporate (about one week) and then place the moist raisins in a jar with a lid.

Eat nine raisins a day. They go well on cereal!

I've heard of treatment that's very similar, only there's no raisins.

355 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:08:04pm

re: #154 kobra_55

You can call me kobes if you wanna

In bed?

356 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:08:13pm

re: #347 Bagua

He did a solidly cool thing for me. So yeah! i've already thanked him through email. But thought he deserved a public expression as well.

357 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:08:25pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Why is she even bothering to wear anything at all?

Hey All...
Reine... you think that is bad, take a gander at this... Jawn Kerry's oh so modest daughter. Looks like Jawn in drag, as one of the posters points out, they both have the same boobs.

358 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:09:31pm

re: #357 CapeCoddah

Hey All...
Reine... you think that is bad, take a gander at this... Jawn Kerry's oh so modest daughter. Looks like Jawn in drag, as one of the posters points out, they both have the same boobs.

Kerry spawn
I ALWAYS forget the link...

359 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:09:41pm

re: #357 CapeCoddah

Hey All...
Reine... you think that is bad, take a gander at this... Jawn Kerry's oh so modest daughter. Looks like Jawn in drag, as one of the posters points out, they both have the same boobs.

You aren't gonna make me look, are ya?

360 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:09:57pm
361 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:10:08pm

re: #345 Idle Drifter

we would refer to that as a green bass...

362 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:10:11pm

re: #349 Bubblehead II

Charles, Was I wrong in my assumption?

363 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:10:30pm

re: #359 SteveC

Yoou gots to look, Steve.. be brave...

364 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:10:57pm

re: #360 Racer X

Nope. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent!

365 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:11:20pm

re: #350 SteveC

The Atlanta Olympics were practically in my back yard, and a friend and I decided to get tickets to some events and go. We couldn't find a hotel room, so we drove down to Atlanta, saw Men's Basketball, Women's Judo, and a baseball game, and drove back - all in 24 hours. That was Monday. On Saturday the bomb went off.

Some yahoo called my 90 year old grandmother and said "They just blew up Atlanta! Everyone's dead!!!" She knew I was going but didn't know when. A moment later, the phone rings at my house. (about 6:45 AM)

Dad says "You better get up and talk to your grandmother, something is going on in Atlanta and she's convinced you're in trouble." So I go down to the kitchen, half asleep, and answer the phone.

Me: "Hello?"
Her: "Are you dead?!?!"
Me:" No, I'm not dead! Half asleep, but not dead!"
Her: "Are you sure?!?!"

I love her!

366 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:11:20pm

re: #358 CapeCoddah

Oh man. That poor kid.

367 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:12:49pm

re: #366 Racer X

Oh man. That poor kid.

Um, that there is a true blue exhibitionist.

368 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:13:02pm

re: #350 SteveC

Gotta love grandmas!

369 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:13:26pm

re: #363 CapeCoddah

Yoou gots to look, Steve.. be brave...

Brave I can do! But I ain't stupid!

370 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:13:31pm

re: #367 CapeCoddah

(and she wants Cato... badly...)

;)

371 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:13:38pm

re: #358 CapeCoddah

Kerry spawn
I ALWAYS forget the link...

Oh, my!
What I would like to know - how much did she pay for that . . . whatever?

372 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:13:44pm

re: #365 MandyManners

I love her!

So do I!

373 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:13:57pm

re: #371 reine.de.tout

Oh, my!
What I would like to know - how much did she pay for that . . . whatever?

Saran wrap?

374 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:14:17pm

re: #364 Irenicum

Nope. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent!

Go ahead, try it. You'll like it!

375 Digital Display  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:15:06pm

re: #336 Floral Giraffe

Awww, you may talk tough, but you're just a marshmallow!

You just found my heart...Yes...I'm a soft hearted man...I stand watching a women passing me by with an olymipics torch and will cry endlessly...
I wish one of my daughters will carry the torch someday

376 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #371 reine.de.tout

Oh, my!
What I would like to know - how much did she pay for that . . . whatever?

If you gotta ask, you can't afford it.

377 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:16:28pm

The Kid is a bit cranky 'cause I refuse to transport his privileged ass to various destinations for the next 10 days.

Public school is looking better all the time.

378 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:16:44pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

I think what Reine means is that there is nothing there worth paying for, the woman is nekkid.

379 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:17:03pm

re: #373 CapeCoddah

Saran wrap?

LOL!
Yes, saran wrap.
Exactly.
I wonder if she looked in a mirror before she left her room?

380 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:17:24pm

This Day in Music

1960, The Beatles played at the Kaiserkeller Club in Hamburg, Germany without George Harrison. Harrison had been deported on this day for being underage (he was 17) and not legally allowed to remain in a nightclub after midnight.

1979, US country-rock act Dr Hook were at No.1 on the UK singles chart with 'When You're In Love With A Beautiful Woman', their only UK No.1.

1983, Michael Jackson's 14-minute video for 'Thriller', was premiered in Los Angeles.

381 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:17:26pm

re: #377 MandyManners

The Kid is a bit cranky 'cause I refuse to transport his privileged ass to various destinations for the next 10 days.

Public school is looking better all the time.

Make him ride the bus.

382 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:17:27pm

re: #378 CapeCoddah

I think what Reine means is that there is nothing there worth paying for, the woman is nekkid.

Yep, that's perzackly what I meant.

383 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:17:33pm

re: #357 CapeCoddah

Hey All...
Reine... you think that is bad, take a gander at this... Jawn Kerry's oh so modest daughter. Looks like Jawn in drag, as one of the posters points out, they both have the same boobs.

Women do have any idea what a high intensity flash and some photo shop lightening will do.

384 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:17:50pm

re: #375 HoosierHoops

LOL!
I knew that, after the first Winston post.
Marshmallows are good company.
You fit that very well, my friend!

385 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:18:11pm

re: #377 MandyManners

The Kid is a bit cranky 'cause I refuse to transport his privileged ass to various destinations for the next 10 days.

Public school is looking better all the time.

What did he do?

386 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:18:29pm

re: #379 reine.de.tout

LOL!
Yes, saran wrap.
Exactly.
I wonder if she looked in a mirror before she left her room?

She is an exhibitionist... not the first non existent dress she has worn.

387 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:19:11pm

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

Ate her wiped cream.

388 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:19:37pm

re: #383 avanti

No, they do not.

389 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:20:16pm

re: #383 avanti

NO, but she does... this is not the first time, and the dress is see thru. A half dead lightning bug could do it for that particular dress

390 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:20:46pm

re: #381 cliffster

Make him ride the bus.

The only bus for his school picks up kids about two hours before the bell.

Many parents don't like that so they have houses/apartments/condos very close to the school during the week.

391 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:21:31pm

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

What did he do?

About what?

392 brookly red  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:22:09pm

re: #389 CapeCoddah

NO, but she does... this is not the first time, and the dress is see thru. A half dead lightning bug could do it for that particular dress

/and the worst part is those see-thurs went out like 2 years ago, sheesh.

393 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:22:31pm

re: #387 Bubblehead II

See the LNDT for the mystery of the "missing can of wiped cream"

She will of course be "genial" on him

394 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:22:32pm

re: #391 MandyManners

About what?

It sounded a little like he was being punished. Or is it just that you can't drive him to school?

395 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:22:53pm

re: #390 MandyManners

Mandy, what ever YOU choose to do will be the right thing.
It's your kid.
You're raising him.
Your house, your rules.

And, IMHO, you rock.

396 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:23:40pm

re: #387 Bubblehead II

Do you mean Whipped cream?
I do not know this wiped cream of which you speak...

397 SteveC  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:24:49pm

re: #392 brookly red

/and the worst part is those see-thurs went out like 2 years ago, sheesh.

When wearing see through, isn't the general idea that you have something to see?

398 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:25:09pm

Save Water!

*Nov 19th.

399 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:25:54pm

re: #396 Floral Giraffe

You don't wanna know.

400 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:26:14pm

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

It sounded a little like he was being punished. Or is it just that you can't drive him to school?

Oh, good grief! I'm a certified member of the Cultrure of the Car.

401 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:26:31pm

re: #398 Racer X

Save water, drink beer.

402 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:27:13pm

re: #399 Racer X

You don't wanna know.

That is probably true.
RediWhipped?
LOLOL!

403 citybilly  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:27:14pm
404 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:27:51pm

re: #402 Floral Giraffe

Redi willing and able?

405 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:28:02pm

Squee!

Red Pandas?

406 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:28:09pm

re: #395 Floral Giraffe

Thank you, Floral.

Not to be an asshoole but, will you remember this if the shit hits the fan?

407 brookly red  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:29:38pm

re: #406 MandyManners

Thank you, Floral.

Not to be an asshoole but, will you remember this if the shit hits the fan?

/that's Dutch, right?

408 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:29:54pm

re: #406 MandyManners

Hey Mandy, I know you're not talking to me, but, do you think things are going to go nuclear around here in regards to the philosophical divide?

409 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:29:55pm

re: #386 CapeCoddah

She is an exhibitionist... not the first non existent dress she has worn.

Not really, no big deal in Cannes, Côte d'Azur.

I recall riding a bus into Saint-Tropez for the first time cir. 1980, gazing out the window there was a teen-age girl about 17 riding her bicycle down the street in her bikini, sans top, no where near the beach.

I knew I had arrived at a happy place, rented a shack and worked there the rest of the season.

410 Gearhead  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:30:12pm

re: #403 citybilly

and now for some thing totally off topic: LAX Traveler Caught With 15 Live Lizards Strapped to Chest: Officials

OK, which ones of you took part in this? Raise your hands, please.

411 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:30:52pm

re: #389 CapeCoddah

NO, but she does... this is not the first time, and the dress is see thru. A half dead lightning bug could do it for that particular dress

Here is the dress in normal lighting with a link to the other one. Most every celebrity has been caught with a "see through" dress by flash and photoshop unless wearing something very heavy. Not saying it was a modest dress, but in typical lighting, you'd see a lot less.

dress.

412 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:31:23pm

re: #408 prairiefire

Hey Mandy, I know you're not talking to me, but, do you think things are going to go nuclear around here in regards to the philosophical divide?

Some will go nuclear, some will not - some already have.

413 jaunte  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:31:59pm

re: #410 Gearhead

Authorities say the lizards' value totals more than $8,500.


I would have hoped we're worth a little more than that.

414 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:32:26pm

re: #406 MandyManners

Yes, Miss Mandy, if you need me to remember this, I pledge to do my best. You sound ( IMHO) to be doing a good job, with a lively kid, who knows you love him. You will be SHOCKED in later years, to know, how strongly he knows, that you love him.

I did it to my folks, Dad is gone now, Mom is fading. That sense of "being loved" is WAY STRONG.

{{MM}}

Hang in there.

415 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:32:38pm

re: #411 avanti

Here is the dress in normal lighting with a link to the other one. Most every celebrity has been caught with a "see through" dress by flash and photoshop unless wearing something very heavy. Not saying it was a modest dress, but in typical lighting, you'd see a lot less.

dress.

Interesting.
So even if she had looked in the mirror before she left her room, she may not have known what it really would look like ...

416 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:32:39pm

re: #412 reine.de.tout

Some will go nuclear, some will not - some already have.

We've seen it before and we'll likely see it again. Remember the first ID threads?

417 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:32:54pm

re: #408 prairiefire

Hey Mandy, I know you're not talking to me, but, do you think things are going to go nuclear around here in regards to the philosophical divide?

Which "philosophical divide" is that?

418 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:33:24pm

re: #416 Sharmuta

We've seen it before and we'll likely see it again. Remember the first ID threads?

whoosh!
Oh, yes.

419 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:33:24pm

This. Hey! it's the best I could come up with.

420 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:33:49pm

re: #409 Bagua

Not really, no big deal in Cannes, Côte d'Azur.

I recall riding a bus into Saint-Tropez for the first time cir. 1980, gazing out the window there was a teen-age girl about 17 riding her bicycle down the street in her bikini, sans top, no where near the beach.

I knew I had arrived at a happy place, rented a shack and worked there the rest of the season.

LOL, sorry, I am an old fashioned prude, mom to two 20 something daughters and have a granddaghter. Not passing judgement on you, mind you, but, I cannot shake the old school.

421 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:34:24pm

re: #416 Sharmuta

We've seen it before and we'll likely see it again. Remember the first ID threads?

Good point, the idea of having a National ID Card is very controversial.

422 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:34:26pm

Save a tree... eat a beaver...

423 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:35:54pm

re: #411 avanti

Here is the dress in normal lighting with a link to the other one. Most every celebrity has been caught with a "see through" dress by flash and photoshop unless wearing something very heavy. Not saying it was a modest dress, but in typical lighting, you'd see a lot less.

dress.

Sorry, that dress should never leave her bedroom. But, like I said, old fashioned prude here.

424 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:36:07pm

re: #422 WindHorse

Just no whiny, hippie drum circles.

425 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:36:15pm

re: #417 Bagua

Political divide? I think philosophies inform political thought. Golden rule, every man for himself, etc...

426 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:36:57pm

re: #416 Sharmuta

We've seen it before and we'll likely see it again. Remember the first ID threads?

Do you know, some folks still see those threads as being anti-religion.

I'm at a loss to figure that one out.

427 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:37:06pm

re: #409 Bagua

Reminds me of a trip I took to Denmark in 1995. I didn't want to leave!

428 Racer X  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:37:21pm
429 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:37:41pm

re: #424 Idle Drifter

(and NO crying for the trees)

430 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:38:00pm

re: #415 reine.de.tout

Interesting.
So even if she had looked in the mirror before she left her room, she may not have known what it really would look like ...

sleezy, slimy, slutty...I'm old fashioned like that...some men are obviously infatuated

431 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:38:17pm

As to prudery, I miss the topless beaches of Europe. A German girlfriend once visited here and took her top off at the ole swimming hole. She got shocked looks and one flabby old hake threatened to call the police.

Ah, Europe.

432 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:38:41pm
433 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:38:44pm

re: #426 reine.de.tout

Do you know, some folks still see those threads as being anti-religion.

I'm at a loss to figure that one out.

Two impossibilities...

You cannot fix stupid.
You cannot teach anyone class.

434 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:38:55pm

re: #426 reine.de.tout

Do you know, some folks still see those threads as being anti-religion.

I'm at a loss to figure that one out.

Yeah, well... I can't figure it out either.

435 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #420 CapeCoddah

LOL, sorry, I am an old fashioned prude, mom to two 20 something daughters and have a granddaghter. Not passing judgement on you, mind you, but, I cannot shake the old school.

BTW, I was about her age at the time.

The beaches around Cannes were mostly topless, still are, not a big deal over there, or in most of Europe for that matter. Americans are regarded as quite puritan by contrast.

436 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:39:28pm
437 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:40:41pm

re: #431 Cato the Elder

As to prudery, I miss the topless beaches of Europe. A German girlfriend once visited here and took her top off at the ole swimming hole. She got shocked looks and one flabby old hake threatened to call the police.

Ah, Europe.

all the naked pigs running loose...ah Europe

438 CapeCoddah  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:41:19pm

re: #435 Bagua

BTW, I was about her age at the time.

The beaches around Cannes were mostly topless, still are, not a big deal over there, or in most of Europe for that matter. Americans are regarded as quite puritan by contrast.

Understood. Me, I would not group shower in gym class. Flat out refused. But, that's just me.

439 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:41:55pm

re: #414 Floral Giraffe

You are making me teary-eyed. Why would you want to make a grown man cry? What's wrong with you??

440 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:42:13pm

re: #435 Bagua

BTW, I was about her age at the time.

The beaches around Cannes were mostly topless, still are, not a big deal over there, or in most of Europe for that matter. Americans are regarded as quite puritan by contrast.

I may be completely mistaken on this, but it seems to me, when I see movies or magazine or news articles that include photos of European women - European women don't seem to be nearly as obsessed with physical perfection as US women are - they seem to be very comfortable in whatever skin they were born with.

441 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:42:18pm

trestles nude beaches are no more!
SIGH.

442 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:43:05pm

re: #425 prairiefire

Political divide? I think philosophies inform political thought. Golden rule, every man for himself, etc...

I see, most people "around here" are quite calm and tolerant of divergent political posts, the "nuclear" ones have mostly flounced or been banned, with a couple of notable exceptions.

443 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:43:09pm

re: #441 Floral Giraffe

trestles nude beaches are no more!
SIGH.

SIGH???

Something you used to do that you now miss?

444 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:46:06pm

re: #440 reine.de.tout

Good point. And in that way their nudity is strangely less sexually charged because of it. It's less (pardon the phrase) titillating. They're much more mellow about their bodies. I think that's much healthier than our obsessive tendencies here. We seem to swing between porn or puritanism without realizing that there is actually a healthy middle.

445 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:47:18pm

re: #439 cliffster

You wanna cry?
I've burried Father with Parkinsons in 2005. Uncle with Alzheimers moved into a (Wonderful) care facility in 2001. Passed in 2009. Mom fell & broke her left femur in 2005, they put a plate in, but it pulled out, so they went BACK in, 2 weeks later & did it "the old fashioned way" ( Moved the hamstring off the bone & wrapped the wires around the bone).
I'm very grateful to have the time, energy and love, to perform the needed services for my elders. I do, however, feel a need to blow off steam occcasionally.

446 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:47:26pm

is it actually Friday night?

447 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:47:40pm

re: #444 Irenicum

Good point. And in that way their nudity is strangely less sexually charged because of it. It's less (pardon the phrase) titillating. They're much more mellow about their bodies. I think that's much healthier than our obsessive tendencies here. We seem to swing between porn or puritanism without realizing that there is actually a healthy middle.

I agree.

448 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:47:58pm

re: #446 albusteve

Play some blues for us. Please.

449 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:48:51pm

re: #445 Floral Giraffe

You wanna cry?
I've burried Father with Parkinsons in 2005. Uncle with Alzheimers moved into a (Wonderful) care facility in 2001. Passed in 2009. Mom fell & broke her left femur in 2005, they put a plate in, but it pulled out, so they went BACK in, 2 weeks later & did it "the old fashioned way" ( Moved the hamstring off the bone & wrapped the wires around the bone).
I'm very grateful to have the time, energy and love, to perform the needed services for my elders. I do, however, feel a need to blow off steam occcasionally.

{{{Flo}}}
It's so difficult when our parents begin to fade and go ...

450 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:49:27pm

re: #443 reine.de.tout

Trestles, is quite a hike.
It's such a BEAUTIFUL surf break.
It's on the Marine Base, technically.
Under a railway bridge.

I wasn't a nudie when younger.
'Nough said!
LOLOL!

451 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:49:47pm
452 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:50:49pm

can't you baby...some guys

453 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:51:20pm

re: #445 Floral Giraffe

Bless you FG. Both my parents are mid-70's and doing mostly-ok, but not great. My call to action will be coming soon. I will think about you your strength when it comes.

454 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:51:36pm

re: #431 Cato the Elder

As to prudery, I miss the topless beaches of Europe. A German girlfriend once visited here and took her top off at the ole swimming hole. She got shocked looks and one flabby old hake threatened to call the police.

Ah, Europe.

I had a friend that was dating a German girl, and he had to explain that trying on jeans on the sales floor at the Gap was a no-no in the USA. She said "But, I'm wearing panties"

455 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:51:43pm

re: #446 albusteve

Finally Friday!!!

456 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:51:46pm

re: #353 prairiefire

Hi! OT~ If a person was really allergic to mold, could they still have a good time in New Orleans?

Just seeing this.
Yes.

457 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:53:30pm

re: #440 reine.de.tout

I may be completely mistaken on this, but it seems to me, when I see movies or magazine or news articles that include photos of European women - European women don't seem to be nearly as obsessed with physical perfection as US women are - they seem to be very comfortable in whatever skin they were born with.

No question you are correct, and it is not only the young and attractive who are comfortable with being topless or nude in Europe, it is a family thing as well, all ages, all sizes, all types... all good.

The American tourists are famous for being gawkers and prudes. The Europeans just smile.

458 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:54:03pm

re: #454 avanti

And where is this fabled Gap pray tell?

459 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:54:25pm

old guy, old song...back to the beginning

460 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:55:07pm

re: #436 MandyManners

Don't be surprised if I give you a ((hug)) in the morning when I see ya.

To the rest of you...

Well. keep it Scally (siq)

Ya all know what I mean

461 elchimpy  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:55:50pm

That's why I love this site, because it's Eveeel

462 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:56:36pm

re: #453 cliffster

Go buy the book "the 36 hour day". It's a family guide to caring for loved ones in the home. You might not need it yet, but I own 2 copies, and they help me immensely. It's about caring for someone you love, and understanding what they "mean" when you can't understand what they say. This book has made a big difference in my life.

463 philosophus invidius  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:57:00pm

Just looked at the ace page for the first time and read through the comments. Wow. I feel like I need a shower now. And not a single substantive comment with anything in the neighborhood of logic.

464 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:58:41pm

re: #462 Floral Giraffe

Thank you so much for posting this. My sister is in a situation that is very similar. And may need the book. I'll see if I can find it tomorrow.

465 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:58:53pm

re: #457 Bagua

Judging some of the bikinis found on the beaches in the US might as well go naked. The only reason to keep one's clothes on is preventing sun burn is sensitive areas.

466 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:59:26pm

re: #463 philosophus invidius

Just looked at the ace page for the first time and read through the comments. Wow. I feel like I need a shower now. And not a single substantive comment with anything in the neighborhood of logic.

Ace of Spades- the internet home for wayward idiots.

467 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:59:52pm

Back to New Orleans for a moment. I never saw so many boob flashers at the bars late at night. One funny one was at a pizza by the slice place at 2 AM. A couple of drunk, hot tourists walked in, lifted there shirts and asked if they could get a free slice. The owner said "Girls you're in New Orleans, you could dance naked on the counter and not get a small coke"

468 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:01:01pm

Keb Mo

469 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:01:04pm

re: #467 avanti

He obviously has high standards!

470 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:01:07pm

re: #453 cliffster

Sign up for the "third party notifications" on ALL of their bills. the utility company will notify you, if the bill isn't paid on time. Then you can pay it!
(It's a familiar sign of decline, to not be paying bills. Uncle ran out of checks, and didn't know how to get more!)
Gas, phone, water, electric, all offer 3rd party notification.
Some, not all, mortgage companies are good guys...

471 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:02:03pm

re: #458 Irenicum

And where is this fabled Gap pray tell?

Outside Baltimore Md.

472 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:02:49pm

re: #467 avanti

Back to New Orleans for a moment. I never saw so many boob flashers at the bars late at night. One funny one was at a pizza by the slice place at 2 AM. A couple of drunk, hot tourists walked in, lifted there shirts and asked if they could get a free slice. The owner said "Girls you're in New Orleans, you could dance naked on the counter and not get a small coke"

what did you think of Audubon Park?

473 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:03:13pm

re: #462 Floral Giraffe

Go buy the book "the 36 hour day". It's a family guide to caring for loved ones in the home. You might not need it yet, but I own 2 copies, and they help me immensely. It's about caring for someone you love, and understanding what they "mean" when you can't understand what they say. This book has made a big difference in my life.

Thank you for the recommendation. I'll get the book for myself, but I'll pass it along right away to my mother-in-law who is at the moment dealing with putting her mother in a place where they can deal with her newly-diagnosed "dementia". It's a little weird for my mom and my MIL's mom to be the same age, and it's awkward for them to be at such different places in their 7th decades. But this book will probably help a lot, all around. Again, thank you.

474 Gus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:04:03pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

Ace of Spades- the internet home for wayward idiots.

Right now in their overnight thread it's laced with the occasional homophobic comments but at the same time they're discussing some musical show called "Glee" on Fox which was created by three openly gay Hollywood types. Then there was one guy asking how to open a bottle of nail polish. All at ACE. I kid you not.

475 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:04:28pm

re: #464 Irenicum

I'm gonna blue my nic for you!
I don't know everything, but I'm on my 3rd elder, and would be happy to try to help!
And share what I have learned...

It's a STEEP learning curve, our generation is on the cusp, and DAMMIT!
I think we should share.

I hope your sister has a good accountant & a good attorney. They are usefull.

476 wee fury  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:04:39pm

John Lee Hooker

477 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:04:40pm

re: #470 Floral Giraffe

Sign up for the "third party notifications" on ALL of their bills. the utility company will notify you, if the bill isn't paid on time. Then you can pay it!
(It's a familiar sign of decline, to not be paying bills. Uncle ran out of checks, and didn't know how to get more!)
Gas, phone, water, electric, all offer 3rd party notification.
Some, not all, mortgage companies are good guys...

One of the best things my parents did was put me on their checking account to sign checks. When they were sick (they were sick at the same time; Dad died 4 months after Mom did) I was able to continue to pay whatever bills came in, and I was able to pay funeral expenses, etc., without having to wait for the wills to go thru probate. It really kept things from getting backed up and bogged down.

478 Idle Drifter  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:04:43pm

Screamin' Jay Hawkins - I Put A Spell On You
479 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:04:45pm

re: #469 Irenicum

He obviously has high standards!

I though about suggesting I'd buy them a slice, but I was a tourist too. ( They were cute)

480 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:06:04pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

Perhaps it's because I don't believe "climatology" is evolved enough as a science for the 99% percent (again, I call bullshit on that number, but whatever) to actually know what they're talking about when it comes to making predictions. Their record with ice ages hasn't been so good, so I'm withholding judgment.

Oh, dear. To allay your doubts, please refer to

[Link: www.realclimate.org...]

481 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:07:11pm

more Keb

482 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:10:12pm

re: #448 Sharmuta

Play some blues for us. Please.

Lord Bring it home darling
Please Sit down and write me a few of your lines
I say bring it home baby
Please sit down an write me a few of your lines
Lord that’s a big consolation.
Lord baby to my worried mind.

-The Immortal Missisipi Fred McDowell

483 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:10:20pm

re: #472 albusteve

what did you think of Audubon Park?

Sadly, I never went, we spent all our time in the French Quarter bar hopping and eating. Loved the artsy square with the church though, and took a carriage ride

484 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:11:53pm

re: #472 albusteve

what did you think of Audubon Park?

Great zoo. Didn't get flooded out during Katrina and the staff did tremendous work to save the animals.

485 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:12:24pm

re: #483 avanti

Sadly, I never went, we spent all our time in the French Quarter bar hopping and eating. Loved the artsy square with the church though, and took a carriage ride

The "artsy square"?
Jackson Square, and the church is St. Louis Cathedral.
sheesh.

486 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:13:47pm

re: #483 avanti

Sadly, I never went, we spent all our time in the French Quarter bar hopping and eating. Loved the artsy square with the church though, and took a carriage ride

And next time, include the paddlewheel boat to the zoo, and the streetcar back.

487 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:14:07pm

re: #485 reine.de.tout

The "artsy square"?
Jackson Square, and the church is St. Louis Cathedral.
sheesh.

New Orleans does that to the memory...

488 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:14:45pm

re: #483 avanti

Sadly, I never went, we spent all our time in the French Quarter bar hopping and eating. Loved the artsy square with the church though, and took a carriage ride

you must have seen Jackson Square...no?

489 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:14:58pm

re: #487 austin_blue

New Orleans does that to the memory...

yeah, that must have been some heavy-duty bar-hoppin' -

490 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:17:08pm

re: #487 austin_blue

New Orleans does that to the memory...

no, a casino tour bus will do that...don't tell me you've visited NO when you saw some tits in the Quarter

491 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:17:34pm

re: #489 reine.de.tout

yeah, that must have been some heavy-duty bar-hoppin' -

I lived in NO on and off for ten years (including college). There were numerous opportunities for short term amnesia, if I remember correctly.

;-)

492 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:19:12pm

re: #490 albusteve

no, a casino tour bus will do that...don't tell me you've visited NO when you saw some tits in the Quarter

Lived there for a long time. Avoided the quarter during Carnival at all costs. Freak show.

493 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:20:12pm

re: #488 albusteve

you must have seen Jackson Square...no?

That's it, both times got the same mule and carriage. The mule was named Blaze, and they loaded us up at Jackson Square. Went in the Church, got my friends fortune read, typical tourist. Loved that sandwich at the deli in the quarter with all the cold cuts and spices, again, forgot what it's called.

494 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:20:12pm

re: #486 reine.de.tout

And next time, include the paddlewheel boat to the zoo, and the streetcar back.

That my family did do when we went to NO some years back. Good times.

495 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:20:46pm

re: #483 avanti

Sadly, I never went, we spent all our time in the French Quarter bar hopping and eating. Loved the artsy square with the church though, and took a carriage ride

You really were just a tourist, weren't you?

496 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:23:01pm

re: #492 austin_blue

Lived there for a long time. Avoided the quarter during Carnival at all costs. Freak show.

maybe...it depends on what you need to see...the Quarter is an architectural masterpiece, as is the Garden District...some people go down on Bourbon street, get bombed and say they visited NO...I say bullshit, but don't want to sound too harsh

497 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:24:46pm

re: #493 avanti

That's it, both times got the same mule and carriage. The mule was named Blaze, and they loaded us up at Jackson Square. Went in the Church, got my friends fortune read, typical tourist. Loved that sandwich at the deli in the quarter with all the cold cuts and spices, again, forgot what it's called.

muffaletta.

498 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:25:06pm

re: #490 albusteve

no, a casino tour bus will do that...don't tell me you've visited NO when you saw some tits in the Quarter

No bus, we stayed at the casino, but walked the quarter and did see more than a few, but that was not the high light of the trip. I'd rate it locals, food, sight seeing, and night life in that order.

499 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:25:44pm

re: #498 avanti

No bus, we stayed at the casino, but walked the quarter and did see more than a few, but that was not the high light of the trip. I'd rate it locals, food, sight seeing, and night life in that order.

You should have tried the ninth ward, after dark.

500 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:26:16pm

re: #238 Gearhead

Great movie. Greatest car chase ever.

Make that plural: "car chases". There are three major ones.

Right now I'm coming up on the end. Whatta flick!

501 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:26:39pm

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

You should have tried the ninth ward, after dark.

That doesn't sound safe.

502 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:27:20pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

muffaletta.

from Central Grocery.

503 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:27:28pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

muffaletta.

Yum, that's it.

504 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:27:40pm

re: #501 Dark_Falcon

That doesn't sound safe.

It's where all my friends were (some still are).

505 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:28:36pm

re: #503 avanti

Yum, that's it.

Make your own.

506 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:28:48pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

Make that plural: "car chases". There are three major ones.

Right now I'm coming up on the end. Whatta flick!

That first chase is full on Audi porn :D S8 for the win!

507 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:29:32pm

re: #495 Walter L. Newton

You really were just a tourist, weren't you?

I got drunk, I saw tits, I went to some park, otherwise I was in a casino...nice...NO is a lot more than that and deserves a better review imo

508 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:29:32pm

re: #502 reine.de.tout

from Central Grocery.

That's another place my family visited.

509 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:30:49pm

re: #507 albusteve

I got drunk, I saw tits, I went to some park, otherwise I was in a casino...nice...NO is a lot more than that and deserves a better review imo

That's my point... of course you knew that. It's like saying I went to paris, saw that big McDonalds Arch.

510 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:31:25pm

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

Walter! There you are!

Package came today...I'm thrilled.

And I believe I've already identified the Emperor in question. It's Constantine II, right? At first I thought it might be Gratian, but the reverse has the double soldiers and standards and the GLORIA EXERCITUS motto, which seems to have been reserved exclusively for C. II...

Or am I way off the mark?

511 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:31:28pm

re: #495 Walter L. Newton

You really were just a tourist, weren't you?

Guilty as charged. Just got back from a junket to Laughlin and Vegas and did silly stuff. Drove out of Laughlin to Oakman, a old mining town, fed the wild burro's, watched a old west gun fight, real tourist crap.
Climbed around the rocks at Red Rock Canyon near Vegas, hopeless tourist.

512 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:31:48pm

re: #496 albusteve

maybe...it depends on what you need to see...the Quarter is an architectural masterpiece, as is the Garden District...some people go down on Bourbon street, get bombed and say they visited NO...I say bullshit, but don't want to sound too harsh

One year at the dorm off Freret. One year at the frat house off Broadway. Two years at Short and Cohn. Six years at Jefferson and Magazine.

The history of the town is extraordinary. The architecture is amazing. The food is brilliant. The Quarter during Carnival is nowhere that *anyone* who lives there goes. Most of the titty flashers are people from out of town who are visiting/renting apartments. The rest of the year, locals are buying produce at the Market and pushing the continuing argument of who has the better Muff, Central Grocery or the Napolean House.

513 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:31:51pm

re: #505 reine.de.tout

Make your own.

Thanks !!

514 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:32:19pm

Man, I sure do know how to hold a headline.

515 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:32:40pm

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

You should have tried the ninth ward, after dark.

Now that's just mean.

516 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:33:04pm

re: #495 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter! I've been waiting to say thank you! I got the space rocks today in the mail and the Roman coin. Haven't figured out yet who the emperor is but am geeked beyond belief! You da man!

517 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:33:47pm

I'm too tired to stay. Goodnight, all.

518 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:34:21pm

re: #516 Irenicum

Hey Walter! I've been waiting to say thank you! I got the space rocks today in the mail and the Roman coin. Haven't figured out yet who the emperor is but am geeked beyond belief! You da man!

A Roman coin?

Walter, I got space rocks from you a long time ago, thank you very very much - but the deal at that time didn't include a roman coin!

519 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:34:40pm

re: #510 Cato the Elder

Walter! There you are!

Package came today...I'm thrilled.

And I believe I've already identified the Emperor in question. It's Constantine II, right? At first I thought it might be Gratian, but the reverse has the double soldiers and standards and the GLORIA EXERCITUS motto, which seems to have been reserved exclusively for C. II...

Or am I way off the mark?

I have no idea. Like I said in my email, I didn't bother to attribute it, just pulled it from a pile and put it in the package. But, you are probably right (or close), since that coin came from a batch of Constantine era coins. It's not Gratian.

520 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:35:21pm

re: #518 reine.de.tout

A Roman coin?

Walter, I got space rocks from you a long time ago, thank you very very much - but the deal at that time didn't include a roman coin!

I got nuffink... :(

521 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:35:46pm

re: #513 avanti

Thanks !!

:-)

It's my favorite sandwich. First time I had one I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.
I can order a half a muffuletta and eat for 3 days.

522 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:36:17pm

re: #518 reine.de.tout

A Roman coin?

Walter, I got space rocks from you a long time ago, thank you very very much - but the deal at that time didn't include a roman coin!

Send me your address again...

523 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:36:34pm

re: #512 austin_blue

One year at the dorm off Freret. One year at the frat house off Broadway. Two years at Short and Cohn. Six years at Jefferson and Magazine.

The history of the town is extraordinary. The architecture is amazing. The food is brilliant. The Quarter during Carnival is nowhere that *anyone* who lives there goes. Most of the titty flashers are people from out of town who are visiting/renting apartments. The rest of the year, locals are buying produce at the Market and pushing the continuing argument of who has the better Muff, Central Grocery or the Napolean House.

right, and some people just remember tits at a bar somewhere...it's a wonderful place and I don't really dig the rap it's getting here...thanks for that

524 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:36:35pm

re: #510 Cato the Elder

I see you've enjoyed his benefaction as well! Cool!

525 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:36:37pm

re: #521 reine.de.tout

:-)

It's my favorite sandwich. First time I had one I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.
I can order a half a muffuletta and eat for 3 days.

Central Grocery or Napolean House? (I'm partial to NH).

526 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:36:48pm

re: #520 Bagua

I got nuffink... :(

(pssst - you need to ask about the rocks. I'm trying to figure out about this coin deal . . . )

527 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:37:24pm

re: #520 Bagua

I got nuffink... :(

You never emailed me your mailing address. I made public offers of free meteorites a number of times over the years on LGF.

528 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:37:30pm

re: #525 austin_blue

Central Grocery or Napolean House? (I'm partial to NH).

I like Central Grocery.
Well, honestly - I've never had a bad muffuletta.

529 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:38:04pm

re: #507 albusteve

I got drunk, I saw tits, I went to some park, otherwise I was in a casino...nice...NO is a lot more than that and deserves a better review imo

I won't disagree. I'm a hour from DC, and the only time we do the tourist thing is when guests show up. Honestly, if when I go back to NO, I'll probably spend as much time in the quarter as ever. I'm sure there are wonderful historic tours I could take, but I prefer the nightlife, sue me.

530 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:38:20pm

re: #512 austin_blue

That Muff place sounds like a real dive.

531 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:38:37pm

re: #515 austin_blue

Now that's just mean.

hahaha!...I thought so too...hey! Avanti!, c'ya...heh

532 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:38:58pm

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

You never emailed me your mailing address. I made public offers of free meteorites a number of times over the years on LGF.

PROOF! Proof, I tell you!

Walter really is an alien.

*Grin*

533 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:40:09pm

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

I have no idea. Like I said in my email, I didn't bother to attribute it, just pulled it from a pile and put it in the package. But, you are probably right (or close), since that coin came from a batch of Constantine era coins. It's not Gratian.

Well you are my great benefactor with old stuff today (really old stuff from beyond the sun and "mildly" old stuff from the Christian Roman Empire), and I make a deep though not obsequious or undignified bow in your direction, while sipping a brandy in your honor! Thank you, again.

534 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:40:48pm

re: #530 Irenicum

Badda bing!

535 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:41:08pm

re: #515 austin_blue

Now that's just mean.

Half my family is from NO. The other half wishes they were. I go back to Spanish and French... on the Spanish side it was Francisco Cruzat, first French Provincial Governor of the Miss. Valley, stationed out of St. Louis... on the french side, a woman from Toulouse, came over on a company ship...

536 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:41:28pm

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

Aww! now that's so cool! (yes I'm gushing!)

537 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:41:30pm

re: #528 reine.de.tout

I like Central Grocery.
Well, honestly - I've never had a bad muffuletta.

I admit I felt silly standing in a line outside waiting, but when I found a lot of locals waiting, I knew I was in for a treat.

538 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:41:42pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Well you are my great benefactor with old stuff today (really old stuff from beyond the sun and "mildly" old stuff from the Christian Roman Empire), and I make a deep though not obsequious or undignified bow in your direction, while sipping a brandy in your honor! Thank you, again.

Thanks.

539 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:43:44pm

‘Climate change pushes poor women to prostitution,

Someone find out from Ludwig if this is going to be a problem?

540 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:44:45pm

Walter...I want a meteor, and hurry it up...could you toss in a sack of Incan silver? anything will do...thanks

your pal albusteve

541 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:44:47pm

re: #535 Walter L. Newton

Half my family is from NO. The other half wishes they were. I go back to Spanish and French... on the Spanish side it was Francisco Cruzat, first French Provincial Governor of the Miss. Valley, stationed out of St. Louis... on the french side, a woman from Toulouse, came over on a company ship...

First Spanish Provincial... (tired tonight)

542 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:44:49pm

re: #537 avanti

I admit I felt silly standing in a line outside waiting, but when I found a lot of locals waiting, I knew I was in for a treat.

Ambrosia:

Image: 8b4200439d1a82ae_MuffulettaSide.jpg

543 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:45:01pm

re: #528 reine.de.tout

Any muffuletta is a good muffuletta. As long as you get your shots ahead of time!

544 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:45:24pm

re: #540 albusteve

Walter...I want a meteor, and hurry it up...could you toss in a sack of Incan silver? anything will do...thanks

your pal albusteve

I don't have your address, only your email. You know how to contact me if you want a rock.

545 bosforus  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:45:56pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

From the article:

Climate change could reduce income from farming and fishing, possibly driving some women into sex work and thereby increase HIV infection

"could", "possibly" and yet the headline, "Climate change pushes poor women...". I hate the media.

546 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:47:51pm

Going to bed, tired, was a long day and ended with a show. For those thinking about a meteorite, click on my name, email me your mailing address, take a chance.

547 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:47:55pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Yes. And I genuflect in your general direction as well.

548 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:47:58pm

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

I don't have your address, only your email. You know how to contact me if you want a rock.

do you have any cool Aztec headdresses?..toss one in, thanks, you're the best

549 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:48:23pm

re: #542 austin_blue

Ambrosia:

[Link: images.teamsugar.com...]

Stop it, I was just thinking about the In and Out burgers. I can deal with not having one near by, but that picture is just torture and SO many levels above a friggin burger.

550 Bagua  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:49:08pm

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

You never emailed me your mailing address. I made public offers of free meteorites a number of times over the years on LGF.

More proof that you are a good egg!

551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:50:00pm

re: #540 albusteve

I was thinking "Iocane Powder".

Thought you had built up an immunity.

552 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:51:19pm

re: #537 avanti

It's like finding a restaurant in Chinatown where all the customers are Chinese. You know it's going to be good.

553 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:52:05pm

re: #551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was thinking "Iocane Powder".

Thought you had built up an immunity.

I love Walter but you have to kick his ass now and then, the cheapskate

554 laZardo  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:52:20pm

OT

And now for some college-sanctioned do-gooding. This time it involves heading out to inner-city communities and teaching grade-school kids how to math etc. :B

This morning
Last Saturday Morning

555 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:53:27pm

re: #552 Irenicum

It's like finding a restaurant in Chinatown where all the customers are Chinese. You know it's going to be good.

Might not want to try that at a Indian restaurant. Can you say "spicy".

556 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:53:41pm

I must confess that the closest I have been to New Orleans is reading Terry Pratchett's Witches Abroad.

557 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:53:53pm

re: #546 Walter L. Newton

G'nite Walter. And thanks again.

558 cliffster  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:54:45pm

Interesting

0994083845.txt

...
Have a look at [Link: www.cru.uea.ac.uk...] - particularly
[Link: www.cru.uea.ac.uk:80...] We're looking at an
*unprecedented* acceleration in temperature, and it's not due to a
sudden lack of volvanic eruptions. Even if it turns out to be
naturally-occurring, who's willing to take that chance? We should be
trying to wean ourselves off of unsustainable energy generation and
use anyway.

no scientific prejudice there...

559 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:55:33pm

re: #549 avanti

First it's muff and now it's In and Out? You're sick I tell you! Just sick!

560 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:57:04pm

re: #556 Emmmieg

I must confess that the closest I have been to New Orleans is reading Terry Pratchett's Witches Abroad.

go there...amazing city

561 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:57:31pm

re: #556 Emmmieg

I must confess that the closest I have been to New Orleans is reading Terry Pratchett's Witches Abroad.

Granny Weatherwax! Nanny Ogg!

562 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:57:47pm

re: #555 avanti

Actually. I've done that. I don't mind. I just ask for the middler version of their food. Exquisite!

563 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:59:14pm

re: #558 cliffster

Interesting

0994083845.txt

no scientific prejudice there...

no mention of nuclear technology?...HAMSTER POWER!

564 avanti  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:02:11pm

re: #559 Irenicum

First it's muff and now it's In and Out? You're sick I tell you! Just sick!

I'm such a In and Out rookie, I'm just learning the secret menu. I tried a Animal this trip. Here's a few more for those of us unlucky enough to not have one near by.

menu.

565 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:05:43pm

It's Deja Vu all over again...

China coal mine blast kills 15, traps 114

BEIJING - A gas explosion tore through a coal mine in northern China on Saturday, killing 15 people and trapping another 114 nearly a third of a mile under ground, central government authorities said.

Another 399 people at the Xinxing mine in Heilongjiang province managed to escape after the 2:30 a.m. explosion, the State Administration of Work Safety said in a statement.

Another week another Chinese mining diaster, no way they would ever get me to work in one of those coal mines. Someday maybe their government will make them do something about increaseing safety, we can only hope so.

566 albusteve  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:05:56pm

rope a dope...I'm out like George Foreman

567 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:06:16pm

re: #554 laZardo

Kudos.

568 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:06:20pm

How many of you would say The Princess Bride is on you personal top ten favorite movie lists?

569 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:07:10pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

How many of you would say The Princess Bride is on you personal top ten favorite movie lists?

Not just mine, but my daughter's. It has an appeal that lasts.

570 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:09:13pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

How many of you would say The Princess Bride is on you personal top ten favorite movie lists?

As you wish!

571 little boomer  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:09:24pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

No, but it's very funny.

572 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:09:58pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

How many of you would say The Princess Bride is on you personal top ten favorite movie lists?

Never start a land war in Asia!

573 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:12:00pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

I don't that means what you think it means!

574 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:13:16pm

I wonder how many of those temporary name tags, over the years, have had "Hello my name is...Inigo Montoya." written on them?

575 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:14:11pm

re: #573 Irenicum

Ah crap. Meant to say I don't THINK that means what you think it means!

576 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:14:48pm

re: #574 Emmmieg

prepare to die!

577 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:15:05pm

re: #575 Irenicum

Ah crap. Meant to say I don't THINK that means what you think it means!

12:08 CST. All is forgiven

578 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:17:18pm

re: #577 austin_blue

And even later here. Muchos gracias!

579 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:18:57pm

re: #578 Irenicum

And even later here. Muchos gracias!

Irenicum, if you want a little help identifying your Emperor, try here:

[Link: www.time-lines.co.uk...]

The site goes chronologically, so if Walter told you the general period, you should be able to track it down.

580 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:19:43pm

re: #579 Cato the Elder

Wow! Cool. I will def. check this out. OK. You da man too!

581 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:20:48pm

re: #579 Cato the Elder

Approx. 300AD.

582 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:22:56pm

Hey all -

Been looking at a lot of this stuff on and off throughout the day.

While none of it removes the physics of CO2 reflecting infrared, I'd say that Mann and a few others may end up in an unrecoverable position insofar as their professional reputations are concerned.

Setting all of that aside - the bulk of the code is in - gulp - Fortran. And it isn't particularly well written. It is an unstructured language, but has had things added to it over the years like subroutines that makes it a little more manageable. But geez - even in the late 90s Fortran was considered 2GL and inappropriate for any new and ambitious coding. No wonder why they need big hardware to run models and big budgets to manage them.

Anyways - most of the code looks to be mundane stuff. But if this is typical of what climate scientists write for models they could stand to move their clocks forward about 25 years in terms of building a more manageable, reusable and auditable code base.

583 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:27:55pm

re: #582 karmic_inquisitor

Hey all -

Been looking at a lot of this stuff on and off throughout the day.

While none of it removes the physics of CO2 reflecting infrared, I'd say that Mann and a few others may end up in an unrecoverable position insofar as their professional reputations are concerned.

Setting all of that aside - the bulk of the code is in - gulp - Fortran. And it isn't particularly well written. It is an unstructured language, but has had things added to it over the years like subroutines that makes it a little more manageable. But geez - even in the late 90s Fortran was considered 2GL and inappropriate for any new and ambitious coding. No wonder why they need big hardware to run models and big budgets to manage them.

Anyways - most of the code looks to be mundane stuff. But if this is typical of what climate scientists write for models they could stand to move their clocks forward about 25 years in terms of building a more manageable, reusable and auditable code base.

Fortran, with sequential updates, is still a very powerful number crunching protocol. Just because algebra is old doesn't mean it is obsolete.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

584 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:28:41pm

re: #582 karmic_inquisitor

I couldn't agree with you more. Well, I could if I was knowledgeable enough to understand any of that, but I'm sure people that do will come along shortly.

//

585 Irenicum  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:34:12pm

Nite all. Got some investigating to do!

586 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:45:50pm

re: #583 austin_blue

Fortran, with sequential updates, is still a very powerful number crunching protocol. Just because algebra is old doesn't mean it is obsolete.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It isn't the number crunching - it is how you organize complexity.

These algorithms are assumably up for constant revision seeing that climate models need to be refined as new relationships are discovered between variables in the climate system. If you want to plow through a dataset linearly, in batch and aren't apt make the routines continuously more complex, Fortran is fine. So is C. but if the challenge is to model an evolving understanding of a complex system and continually refine it, Fortran is a poor choice.

Java would be a lousy choice too - it has too much overhead for execution, as do just about every other interpreted language that runs on most web servers.

There are techniques for using C++ where you can take advantage of inheritance and other code management facilities yet compile to compact fast executing executables that take advantage of parallel processors.

587 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:58:10pm

re: #586 karmic_inquisitor

It isn't the number crunching - it is how you organize complexity.

These algorithms are assumably up for constant revision seeing that climate models need to be refined as new relationships are discovered between variables in the climate system. If you want to plow through a dataset linearly, in batch and aren't apt make the routines continuously more complex, Fortran is fine. So is C. but if the challenge is to model an evolving understanding of a complex system and continually refine it, Fortran is a poor choice.

Java would be a lousy choice too - it has too much overhead for execution, as do just about every other interpreted language that runs on most web servers.

There are techniques for using C++ where you can take advantage of inheritance and other code management facilities yet compile to compact fast executing executables that take advantage of parallel processors.

OK, but that is like saying that Windows and Unix are old hat because they still have kernels of COBOL in their base code, which they do. Fortran was always for science, COBOL for business. Fortran is still an effective number crunching engine, and has been modified over time to incorporate object oriented programming and a slew of other protocols. Also, it allows the use of data sets originally formatted into its base code to be used.

Can you imagine reformatting terabytes of data to fit a new protocol? The data is the data. If Fortran variants are still being successfully used by Lawrence Livermore to model nukes, why quibble over its use in climate models?

588 Marsoupial  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 11:13:59pm

re: #587 austin_blue

The data is not terabytes...

The data they are all working with is not that much.

The problem they are working on is getting the data they have fit what the reality is.

In 1998 they had a model, they had a working computational explanation for climate based on historical data.

They ran the model.

The predicted results do not match the actual data for the last 10 years. They have been "correcting" the model to match the actuals...

P.S. the release of the data was not hacking, it was a mole.

589 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 11:27:25pm

re: #587 austin_blue

OK, but that is like saying that Windows and Unix are old hat because they still have kernels of COBOL in their base code, which they do. Fortran was always for science, COBOL for business. Fortran is still an effective number crunching engine, and has been modified over time to incorporate object oriented programming and a slew of other protocols. Also, it allows the use of data sets originally formatted into its base code to be used.

Can you imagine reformatting terabytes of data to fit a new protocol? The data is the data. If Fortran variants are still being successfully used by Lawrence Livermore to model nukes, why quibble over its use in climate models?

The kernels of Windows and Linux aren't in COBOL. You use C / Assembler for that kind of work - speed and size matter down there. COBOL is a 2nd generation language which was oriented towards placing data on paper - basically report writing. And, yes, Fortran (Formula Translator IIRC) was built for number crunching.

If you look at a codebase as simply a repository of know how and if that know how needs to be constantly updated and added to (which should be the case for climate modeling) then you need organize that know how repository appropriately. The code at FOIA/documents/cru-code/linux/goglo is poorly organized except for the purpose of processing the data files fed to it in one pass. There are a few places where some formulas for smoothing and "anamolization" can be tweaked and then you re-run the batch. So it was put together to be able to run the same data through over and over and tweak a few algorithms (or the data) to get "zero in" on the result you are looking for. It was not built to explore new relationships between the data or to find new correlations. And even for that purpose, the code is poorly structured IMO. Judging from the file dates I'd say sections of the code base were torn out and rewritten a couple of times to get the result they ended up with.

So it isn't a matter of what language will let you model a formula - just about any can. It comes down to how easily one can change that formula and then introduce new variables and create new levels of complexity and hold that code base together over time. And Fortran is/was a poor choice for such an endeavor, IMO.

590 Basho  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 3:52:35am

re: #91 kobra_55

To be fair, I can understand people's skepticism of global warming.

If I had a deep-seated fear and distrust of liberal thinking, and if I didn't understand science very well, and I couldn't make heads or tails of any data I found about climate change, and if I believed everything a bunch of wingnuts fed to me, I probably wouldn't believe in it either.

lol true

I like the headline at ace's site with the flaming skull: scientists caught faking data zomg

as if empirical data could not be independently reviewed and verified.

Don't understand much 'bout science so i hax email QED

591 Basho  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 3:56:41am

re: #588 Marsoupial


The predicted results do not match the actual data for the last 10 years. They have been "correcting" the model to match the actuals...

So... you're saying their models didn't match the empirical data so they had change the model.

OMGJSKAL CONSPIRACY

592 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 5:03:35am

re: #579 Cato the Elder

Cato:

Here's the data on papers published about global warming or reference during the 70's. Skeptical Science, a great blog examining the science of global warming skepticism, has this to say:

A persistent argument designed to discredit the field of climate science is that scientists predicted an ice age in the 1970s. So popular in fact that it ranks an impressive #7 in the most cited skeptic arguments. The logic goes that climate scientists got it completely wrong predicting global cooling in the 1970s (it started warming instead). Hence climate science can't be trusted about current global warming predictions. Setting aside the logical flaws of such an ad hominem argument, was there any consensus among 70s climate scientists predicting global cooling?

The graph clearly shows no.

Also from Skeptical Science:

So in fact, the large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than climate science predicting cooling, the opposite is the case. Most interesting about Peterson's paper is not the debunking of an already well debunked skeptic argument but a succinct history of climate science over the 20th century, describing how scientists from different fields gradually pieced together their diverse findings into a more unified picture of how climate operates. A must read paper.

Skeptical Science is a great place for the, er, skeptical to go and read, but I'm sure that the same information has been presented to you here already.

Thus the disappointment.

593 oldegeezr  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 6:13:08am

re: #1 Sharmuta

I always told Ace...

”You can’t stand the truth!”

The AceHat, rewrote or deleted dozens of my progressive posts before he finally blocked my IP address and no...
Despite what he may write; I never,ever, referred to him as the Azz of Spuds...!

Evah...!

594 JohninLondon  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 6:44:10am

It looks more like a bunch of info leaked by someone inside than by a hacking exercise.

Maybe because an insider was dismayed by all the attempts to duck or delay legitimate FOIA requests ?

Leaving aside stuff about whether data was bent, added or omitted to fit the AGW theories, thereare some things the hacked emails defintely seem to show :

- discussions on how to prevent science journals publishing articles criticising AGW theories or the underlying methods

- discussions on how to dodge FOIA requests - or fudge the answers

- discussions on how to coordinate rapid responses to anything critical of AGW in the wider media

- pre-screening of comments on "open" AGW blogs, deleting anything critical.

And all that is scientific method ? Paid mostly by taxpayers' dollars and pounds ?

...

Some years back I witnessed how articles submitted to scientific journals were blocked by a cabal of medics who wanted their pet theories - FALSE theories - protected. The result was delay in publication of a new and very effective diagnosis method. And that delay cost a lot of lives. The new method has now been adopted internationally - but it would have happened a lot sooner but for the blocking tactics adopted by the dinosaur medics.

(The old method alleged that liver iron measutrements were a good proxy for measuring build-up of iron in heart muscle - a fatal condition. The new method showed that liver measurelents had no correlation with heart build-up, and demonstrated a new technique using MRI to directly assess iron concentration in heart muscle).

595 philosophus invidius  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:03:39am

re: #594 JohninLondon

Can't comment on most of that since I haven't seen the emails. But on one of your points: Scientists have good reason to "coordinate rapid responses to anything critical of AGW in the wider media" and to engage in similar PR rather than strictly scientific activities. The public and the media don't understand science that well, so it's important to present things in a way that won't be misunderstood. And the way their science is always misunderstood is in a way that makes it seem to not support AGW. Just look at how Ace totally misunderstands the claims made in the Spiegel article.

596 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:48:57am

re: #456 reine.de.tout

Thanks!

597 mcrognale  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 8:44:13am

You all might want to read today's post at Power Line. It has an entirely different take on all of this.
Mike

598 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 9:30:12am

It seems to be really important for the climate deniers to insist that this wasn't a "break-in," but a "mole."

Despite the total lack of any evidence for this opinion, and despite the university's clear official statement.

Is this supposed to make it OK that the documents were stolen?

599 scrad  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 9:31:11am

re: #221 MandyManners

I up-dinged you because I don't think you were attacking Charles.

Thanks, you're right I wasn't attacking Charles, I was being sarcastic about people who make it their business to 'keep an eye on' Charles site.

I personally don't care what he does on his site - it's HIS site.

Glad to see someone decided to call my post a 'turd' and count the number of previous posts I've done. Some people don't get sarcasm I guess.

600 scrad  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 9:32:07am

re: #598 Charles

It seems to be really important for the climate deniers to insist that this wasn't a "break-in," but a "mole."

Despite the total lack of any evidence for this opinion, and despite the university's clear official statement.

Is this supposed to make it OK that the documents were stolen?

Fake but accurate but not stolen? ;)

601 AtadOFF  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:25:19am

re: #568 Sharmuta

I dunna think this word means what you think it means.

602 Marsoupial  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:57:18am

The reason I refer to the person or persons that made the data available as a "mole" is a statement from Steve McIntyre on July 25th, 2009.

OK, folks, guess what. I'm now in possession of a CRU version giving data for every station in their station list .


and later

And by the way, just because I've got a version of the data doesn't mean that I'm going to give up trying to get the data through FOI. Quite the opposite.

Data has been "leaked" before from the CRU. there is definatly someone on the "inside".

603 MinisterO  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:47:35am

I'm late to the party here and I haven't the time to read all the commentary. I'm wondering though, in light of all the new information,

Is the scientific consensus still intact that Stephen McIntyre is a braying asshat?

Sorry in advance for the mixed metaphor.

604 Bagua  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:58:48pm

re: #599 scrad

Thanks, you're right I wasn't attacking Charles, I was being sarcastic about people who make it their business to 'keep an eye on' Charles site.

I personally don't care what he does on his site - it's HIS site.

Glad to see someone decided to call my post a 'turd' and count the number of previous posts I've done. Some people don't get sarcasm I guess.

I made it clear in my followup post that I understood you were not attacking Charles nor did I miss the sarcasm. Here is what I wrote:

Yes, I agree with that part of his post. The downding is for the crude language and poor grammar from such an occasional poster.

Also, I believe most of us regulars not only care about what Charles posts but we strongly approve of it.

Some people don't read the thread before commenting, I guess.

605 Patton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:26:29pm

For those of you, starting at Charles, who are more concerned about the manner by which these documents were retrieved, please note two things:

This isn't a court of law, it's a court of public opinion, and even IF the documents were illegally obtained, their contents seem to speak for themselves. Public opinion will rightly be affected, and no amount of objection on your part will get this evidence struck from the record.

Second, a court of law will likely become involved, and not to the detriment of whomever exposed the documents. These "stolen" documents were the subject of multiple FOIA requests, and were about to come into the public domain in any event. Clear attempts to derail their release are the factual illegality here. Doubly damning for those fraudsters who tried to hide their lying prostitution.

I hope to see them in jail.

606 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 22, 2009 8:56:47am

re: #605 Patton

You are completely deranged by your unthinking opposition to global warming, and this is nothing but fantasizing. None of what you're predicting is going to happen.

607 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 22, 2009 3:35:09pm
608 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 22, 2009 5:34:16pm

Buh-bye now!

609 Yashmak  Mon, Nov 23, 2009 12:35:41pm

re: #605 Patton

It's sad to see the "ends justify the means" so readily adopted by folks these days. Laws aren't there for no good reason, and to discard them when inconvenient to your point of view starts us down a very bad road.


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