Update: Palin Apologizes for Leaving Books Unsigned

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At her Facebook page, Sarah Palin apologizes for leaving hundreds of people with unsigned books after they waited in the rain for 6 hours: Not Enough Hours in the Day.

I’ve been told that yesterday there were supporters in Noblesville who stood in long lines for hours in the cold and rain, and the book signing event ended without a chance to say hello to everyone who showed up. I am so sorry. We are working on a solution for those who were left behind.

I apologize.

- Sarah Palin

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210 comments
1 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:45:31am

Piss-poor planning and/or prima donna-ism. FFS, these folk turned out to see you and get you to scrawl something on their books. If you weren't gonna do it, then let folk know at the start.

2 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:46:13am

I wonder what it's like traveling across the country with vultures circling over your head the whole way?

3 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:46:54am

re: #2 cliffster

I wonder what it's like traveling across the country with vultures circling over your head the whole way?

Sounds like just about every family trip I took growing up.

4 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:47:03am

Now own up to lying about "death panels", and I'll consider inviting you to Thanksgiving.

5 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:47:44am

re: #2 cliffster

I wonder what it's like traveling across the country with vultures circling over your head the whole way?

Ask Obama.

6 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:48:33am

re: #5 Cato the Elder

The DNC said those were doves... :)

7 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:49:13am

re: #4 Cato the Elder

One may or may not like Sarah Palin. I liked her at first. Now, not so much. But still, more than Obama, Mr. "punished with a baby."

And at about 25% into the Obama presidency: huge deficits, huge unemployment and a huge, continual, one year long shouting match about "health care."

IMHO Palin stands a real chance at becoming POTUS.

8 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:50:34am

re: #1 Guanxi88

She has at least 2 years to fine tune things.

"Watch out."

9 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:50:36am

re: #3 Guanxi88

Sounds like just about every family trip I took growing up.

Your family traveled to Wall Street?

10 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:50:58am

re: #7 Ojoe

Jeb Bush has lower negatives... How can she have a shot?

11 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:51:48am

re: #7 Ojoe

IMHO Palin stands a real chance at becoming POTUS.

At which point I will buy a Hoxha Hotel in Albania.

12 jaunte  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:52:04am
We are working on a solution for those who were left behind.


I don't think I would be rapturous about having a signed edition.

14 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:52:58am

re: #12 jaunte

Good eye.

15 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:53:18am

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

Because I think she will be seen as an authentic alternative as the clueless financial political and cultural elites drive the country further into the ditch.

16 Gus  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:53:47am

Palin apologized! This proves that she is presidential material!

//

17 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:53:48am

re: #9 cliffster

Your family traveled to Wall Street?

No, Ohio. Same idea, only less money.

18 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:54:18am

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Albania has a King Zog at one point.

19 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:55:13am

re: #16 Gus 802

Palin apologized! This proves that she is presidential material!

//

She's right there with Bill Clinton now.

20 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:55:16am

re: #15 Ojoe

Good point, if she is the best the right wing can come up with.

21 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:55:25am

re: #18 Ojoe

"had." Before WW2.

PIMF

23 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:56:28am

She quit signing books? She quits at everything.

24 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:56:45am

re: #22 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, is that you?

No. Sorry, does that get posted a lot? Apologies.

They're good articles, though-- unless you like Palin a lot.

25 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

She quit signing books? She quits at everything.

That's not entirely true. She hasn't quit quitting.
Yet.

26 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:57:07am

"I've been told..." Wasn't she there? Nullpology.

27 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:57:27am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

She quit signing books? She quits at everything.

bitching about McCain?

28 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:57:47am

re: #24 Obdicut

No. Sorry, does that get posted a lot? Apologies.

They're good articles, though-- unless you like Palin a lot.

It was just some humor, ok, Avanti thinks Nate Silver is g-d.

29 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:57:47am

Left Behind? What book is she selling?

30 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 10:59:06am

re: #29 Sharmuta

Left Behind? What book is she selling?


Going Rogue: An American Life
by Sarah Palin

31 Big Steve  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:00:12am

You know these are always no win deals for the person doing the signing. And it is almost impossible avoid. I give Sarah a pass on this. 10 years ago I stood in a long line at the stadium during the off-season with two of my sons who were just crazy for Jeff Bagwell and who was there to sign autographs. We had to stand in one line to get a ticket for the signing which was being done for the exact purpose of making sure they wouldn't overload Mr. Bagwell. Well when we got to the front actual autograph line, just about ready, some handler informed me that I had only one ticket so only one of my son's could get an autograph. This was some sort of "Sophie's Choice" test for me. In my inimical fashion I threw a big fit right there on the spot but the ticket taker stood there stone faced. So finally I thrust one boy forward and Jeff dutifully signed and we were ushered off while my other son broke out into a spectacular crying jag. While I held him to console him (while his brother was teasing him and showing him the autograph HE got) some older guy came by and asked us what was wrong. Between sobs my son told him and the older guy told us to come with him. He took us to some office in the stadium, got the boys cokes and had us sit in nice cozy chairs. At this point I realize that we were talking to Drayton McLane who is the owner of the Houston Astros. About 20 minutes later, McLane comes back with Jeff Bagwell in tow and my younger son not only got an autograph that was much better than the older son had gotten but both boys got their photos taken with Jeff Bagwell.

32 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:00:35am

May I just point out that the apology itself is a lie?

She writes:

I’ve been told that yesterday there were supporters in Noblesville who stood in long lines for hours in the cold and rain [...]

Nobody needed to tell her; she was there. And the footage shows her rock-star bus rumbling to a start while those same people stood outside and chanted "sign our books" and "quitter". She was perfectly well aware of what was happening, and now pretends it was some unaccountable screw-up.

Shameful lying opportunistic skeezer.

33 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:01:03am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Ah. Well, I think he's a pretty smart guy with some great statistics, but I think he's wrong on this one-- I don't think she'll get the nomination. I do think she'll run, though.

34 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:01:27am

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

left behind

35 SixDegrees  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:01:38am

Good on her for apologizing, although it begs the question of what she was thinking at the time when she got up and left with all those people still standing in line. The whole "I've been told..." intro is an attempt to distance herself and - a recurring theme with Palin, it seems - to shift blame for her own failures onto others.

Has it occurred to anyone that the Democrats are taking careful notes on all this?

36 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:02:50am

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Going Rogue: An American Life
by Sarah Palin

You are sometimes very funny.

37 Gus  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:03:33am

re: #34 Sharmuta

left behind

End-O-Times ™

Now some them are channeling the Mayans (allegedly) and the coming Apocalypse in 2012.

38 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #31 Big Steve

You know these are always no win deals for the person doing the signing. And it is almost impossible avoid. I give Sarah a pass on this. 10 years ago I stood in a long line at the stadium during the off-season with two of my sons who were just crazy for Jeff Bagwell and who was there to sign autographs. We had to stand in one line to get a ticket for the signing which was being done for the exact purpose of making sure they wouldn't overload Mr. Bagwell. Well when we got to the front actual autograph line, just about ready, some handler informed me that I had only one ticket so only one of my son's could get an autograph. This was some sort of "Sophie's Choice" test for me. In my inimical fashion I threw a big fit right there on the spot but the ticket taker stood there stone faced. So finally I thrust one boy forward and Jeff dutifully signed and we were ushered off while my other son broke out into a spectacular crying jag. While I held him to console him (while his brother was teasing him and showing him the autograph HE got) some older guy came by and asked us what was wrong. Between sobs my son told him and the older guy told us to come with him. He took us to some office in the stadium, got the boys cokes and had us sit in nice cozy chairs. At this point I realize that we were talking to Drayton McLane who is the owner of the Houston Astros. About 20 minutes later, McLane comes back with Jeff Bagwell in tow and my younger son not only got an autograph that was much better than the older son had gotten but both boys got their photos taken with Jeff Bagwell.

Why would you give her a pass on this? Why can't she sit there until every single last person who came all the way through the muck and torrential weather got their book signed and got a "by golly" from Sarah. And bring up the "true Houston Astro" argument is so To Quoque. And enyway, Jeff Bagwell wasn't there.

Your point is?

39 jaunte  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #31 Big Steve

Drayton McLane is a good guy, and very smart to create a couple of fans for life.

40 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:07:33am

re: #31 Big Steve

Great story, thanks. I will skip the next few opportunities I have to make fun of the Astros.

41 jaunte  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:08:36am

The problem for Palin is that she's playing the "Bagwell" role of a star with handlers, but the job she says she wants is the "Drayton Mclane" management job.

42 kingkenrod  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:08:55am

She's lying - as this report shows, she was signing books right in the middle of the store. How could she leave without knowing people were still in line?

[Link: www.fox59.com...]

On the plus side, she didn't make any excuses in her apology, like blaming Borders. The story linked above says her contract with Borders requires her to leave at 9PM.

43 Big Steve  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:09:02am

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

argument is so To Quoque.

Its Tu Quoque by the way...and I wasn't arguing with anyone.

44 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:09:32am

re: #43 Big Steve

Its Tu Quoque by the way...and I wasn't arguing with anyone.

Humor Steve... read it again, it's was humor.

45 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:11:35am

re: #42 kingkenrod

On the plus side, she didn't make any excuses in her apology, like blaming Borders. The story linked above says her contract with Borders requires her to leave at 9PM.

Indeed, it does say that. I'm sure this omission from popular coverage of this is entirely accidental. It'll be all cleared up by the end of the day. Let me click over to MSNBC and wait for the update.

46 Big Steve  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:12:09am

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Humor Steve... read it again, it's was humor.

Well it was funny...thanks and it still is Tu Quoque!

47 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:15:13am

Wow, TT is stomping OU. You can't spell "OU Sucks!" without "OU".

48 Big Steve  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:16:20am

re: #47 cliffster

Wow, TT is stomping OU. You can't spell "OU Sucks!" without "OU".

I guess the Tech players "fat girlfriends" must have told them to win this week!

49 freetoken  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:16:38am

re: #42 kingkenrod

What occurred to me is that this whole store is more about crowds, in particular the fickleness of crowds, than about Sarah Palin.

Fandom always comes in degrees... from the diehard to the casual. In a few years I wonder how many fans Palin will have left.

50 freetoken  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:16:55am

PIMF "story"

51 kingkenrod  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:19:52am

On another topic, while reading Palin's apology at her Facebook page, I noticed this post about Reid's Senate health care bill:

Among the provisions in this bill will be a $2500 cap on Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs).

Most employers cap FSA contributions at $5000, so this makes an additional $2500 taxable for people who use these accounts. And the people hardest hit by this are those with expensive, chronic conditions.

52 webevintage  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:21:53am

I do not like Palin, but I am willing to entertain the idea that she did not suggest leaving and that this was piss poor planning on the part of her handlers, publisher and the local store.

That being said, most authors who care about their fans go out of their way to sign until everyone is though the line or they make an effort to plan in advance.
I stood in line for hours once to get my copy of American Gods signed by Neil Gaiman. He stayed longer then planned and signed until everyone was happy and he signed things people had brought with them.
As is so happens this was on his blog just yesterday in response to a question about some upcoming Canadian signings:

"It's going to depend on the numbers of people who turn up. Assuming that it's around a thousand people in each location (Winnipeg and Decatur) I'll probably pre-sign a load of books, so people who just want to hear me read or answer questions and don't want to stand in a long line can get a signed book and go home, and we'll do something along the lines of I'll sign one thing, but if you buy a book of mine from the store I'll sign two things, which allows people to get the Thing They Love Most signed, and get something signed for someone (as we're heading into the holidays then) or for themselves."

Planning and consideration for the people who put a roof over your head goes a very long way to create long running devotion from fans...well that plus being able to write a book on your own.

53 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:21:55am

re: #49 freetoken

On a hunch I would say Palin's fans are stronger fans than Obama's fans are fans of Obama.

Obama has fans on what? Race, admit it, and campaign promises to give stuff out. How solid is that?

54 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:22:05am

I think that Sarah Palin is... you know, I quit on this comment.

55 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:22:09am

re: #48 Big Steve

I guess the Tech players "fat girlfriends" must have told them to win this week!

Leach is a real class act, ain't he?

56 Gus  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:22:16am

re: #7 Ojoe

One may or may not like Sarah Palin. I liked her at first. Now, not so much. But still, more than Obama, Mr. "punished with a baby."

And at about 25% into the Obama presidency: huge deficits, huge unemployment and a huge, continual, one year long shouting match about "health care."

IMHO Palin stands a real chance at becoming POTUS.

Once again we are destined to choose what we perceive as individuals the less of two evils. The American legacy continues. Many people felt the same way in 2008 wherein many citizens liked McCain more than Obama.

We descend into mediocrity in our quest for the prize driven by populist rhetoric hypnotizing the masses with their revanchist mood.

57 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:23:22am

re: #51 kingkenrod

Keep in mind this is Sarah "Death Panel" Palin. There's a good chance that it's not true. I've stopped fact checking the right wing claims about healthcare reform. So much of it is bullshit.

58 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:24:08am

re: #56 Gus 802

Well there is the Modern Whig Party, which might in time not put forward a "lesser of two" choice.

Shall I post a link?

59 Gus  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:24:43am

re: #58 Ojoe

Well there is the Modern Whig Party, which might in time not put forward a "lesser of two" choice.

Shall I post a link?

Go for it.

60 philosophus invidius  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:25:38am

FSA accounts are regressive. Why should the gov't subsidize wealthier people's healthcare more than less wealthy people (i.e. tax brackets)?

61 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:25:53am

re: #58 Ojoe

Well there is the Modern Whig Party, which might in time not put forward a "lesser of two" choice.

Shall I post a link?

Here, I think I know the Ojoe routine by now.

Modern Whig Party

62 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:26:02am

OK: Just the video this time —

The Modern Whig Party

63 philosophus invidius  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:26:15am

re: #59 Gus 802

Learn more here:

[Link: www.thewhigs.com...]

64 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:27:33am

Just to toss a thought out here on the cultural current climate, and I will admit, I buy in myself some days, and would like all things to be always perfect, but, alas, I live in a real world. Disappointment is not an unheard of condition, based on my own expectations...and that of groups I am connected to. Shouldn't surprise the self-aware thinking being, either.

The overtone seems to have become a "Zero Tolerance" policy on both sides of the political equation, and even in the middle. Fingers are pointed about how the other side didn't do it perfectly (and...always ask, who's making the standard?). It happens. It will happen more.

With so much information, it's easy picking to say "that wasn't perfect" and, there will be plenty of cases when that's a good look at the reality.

Conversely, there is the "Listen, I'm only human" request for grace made, again, on both sides. You know, there is some validity to that. Top it off with many things, particularly in the political/semi-political arena, to be staffed by "volunteers." Even had a handful, or a lot of them? Herding cats, it is. Been around cats much? Volunteers, many times, come equipped with passion, and not the skills necessary, to pull of this event or that.

Put those two comments back together: "Hey, I'm not perfect, but I DEMAND that you are!" seems to be all too frequent an observation for me.

"You should have known" has a place, but then again, Monday Morning QB gigs are cheap and easy. Who among us hasn't been bagged by that crowd, for the small, and the large and the in between? If you try to micro-manage a big event by yourself...then you'll be tagged for that. If you don't and the requisite experience isn't in the mix...then stuff ends up off the tracks. we could have a link fiesta with such items and overload the servers for Charles.

Zero tolerance of errors? Yes, strive for it. When it doesn't appear, analyze and do it better next time.

My two cents.

65 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:28:11am

re: #63 philosophus invidius

COOL !

66 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:28:50am

re: #60 philosophus invidius

FSA accounts are regressive. Why should the gov't subsidize wealthier people's healthcare more than less wealthy people (i.e. tax brackets)?

You are trying to use the idea of "taking less money from someone" as being the same thing as "giving money to that someone". It's not the same thing.

67 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:32:27am

re: #64 Curt

Excellent post, sir.

68 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:33:42am

re: #61 cliffster

LOL

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:34:24am

re: #7 Ojoe

One may or may not like Sarah Palin. I liked her at first. Now, not so much. But still, more than Obama, Mr. "punished with a baby."

And at about 25% into the Obama presidency: huge deficits, huge unemployment and a huge, continual, one year long shouting match about "health care."

IMHO Palin stands a real chance at becoming POTUS.

No. There is still a special providence that watches over drunks, children and the United States of America.

70 checked08  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:34:37am

That was nice of her.

71 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:35:26am

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

That may be so. Anyway, it will all be interesting to watch.

72 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:35:30am

re: #67 Ojoe

Excellent post, sir.

Why, thank you. The Internet allows way too much hyperventilating...with me, too sometimes.

73 Ojoe  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:36:56am

re: #72 Curt

You are welcome.

Now, BBL — Saturday chores.

74 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:37:05am

re: #64 Curt

The current climate is dominated by people who have no class, have no qualms about being dishonest, and take stupid little nit-picky comments and actions and make them seem like character-defining issues. Like the picture of Obama without his hand over his heart, and the amount that got railed on and circulated through Inboxes. It is infuriating.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #53 Ojoe

On a hunch I would say Palin's fans are stronger fans than Obama's fans are fans of Obama.

Obama has fans on what? Race, admit it, and campaign promises to give stuff out. How solid is that?

What exactly has Palin got fans on? Vague platitudes about the real America, and how 'mavericky' she is. How solid is that?

76 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:41:01am

re: #31 Big Steve

That's a great story!
Thank you!

77 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:42:45am

re: #53 Ojoe

On a hunch I would say Palin's fans are stronger fans than Obama's fans are fans of Obama.

Obama has fans on what? Race, admit it, and campaign promises to give stuff out. How solid is that?

Giving away other people's money will get you a lot of votes.

78 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:44:23am

re: #74 cliffster

The current climate is dominated by people who have no class, have no qualms about being dishonest, and take stupid little nit-picky comments and actions and make them seem like character-defining issues. Like the picture of Obama without his hand over his heart, and the amount that got railed on and circulated through Inboxes. It is infuriating.

But it's ok to do with Sarah Palin. Trust me.

79 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:44:48am

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

What exactly has Palin got fans on? Vague platitudes about the real America, and how 'mavericky' she is. How solid is that?

I say this in all seriousness - it seems that these days experience and an actual record are things that work against you.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:48:48am

re: #79 cliffster

I say this in all seriousness - it seems that these days experience and an actual record are things that work against you.

Deep sigh. You may have a point there.

81 Lidane  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:49:05am

re: #7 Ojoe

IMHO Palin stands a real chance at becoming POTUS.

God help us all if that ever happened. I think that even despite Obama's mistakes (yes, I voted for him, but I'm not blind to his flaws), if she was the GOP nominee, even some Republicans would be hard pressed to vote for her.

Then again, she's already been on a losing presidential ticket and has proven herself a quitter by leaving her job as governor midway through her first term, not to mention her public pissing contest with a teenager. People aren't likely to forget that. When's the last time a losing candidate came back later to be the nominee? The only one who comes to mind is Nixon after he lost to JFK, and she sure as hell doesn't have the resume that Nixon had when he ran again.

82 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:49:06am

re: #79 cliffster

I say this in all seriousness - it seems that these days experience and an actual record are things that work against you.

Well, yeah, especially if the actual record includes quitting.

83 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:49:35am

FWIW -

She Screwed Up and Apologized within 24 Hours. When/Where do I get at least an Apology from Either Dell or Microsoft for the Windows 7 Upgrade Kit. It is a MESS. I SHALL Slog through and get it done. If I Re-Do THIS Machine, It will be a Clean Install and Reload Files/Programs. Right Now I am ready to play Darts. Question Is, whose face on the Board? - Bill Gates or Mike Dell?
That is all.

-S-

84 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:53:57am

re: #83 Dr. Shalit

Youtube Video
85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:54:49am

re: #53 Ojoe

On a hunch I would say Palin's fans are stronger fans than Obama's fans are fans of Obama.

Obama has fans on what? Race, admit it, and campaign promises to give stuff out. How solid is that?

Which is a bit like saying Slayer fans are stronger than U2 fans. Palin has devoted diehards, but big negatives among moderates. Great for a media career or a TV show! Bad for becoming president.

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:55:39am

re: #83 Dr. Shalit

FWIW -

She Screwed Up and Apologized within 24 Hours. When/Where do I get at least an Apology from Either Dell or Microsoft for the Windows 7 Upgrade Kit. It is a MESS. I SHALL Slog through and get it done. If I Re-Do THIS Machine, It will be a Clean Install and Reload Files/Programs. Right Now I am ready to play Darts. Question Is, whose face on the Board? - Bill Gates or Mike Dell?
That is all.

-S-

Dell. Definitely. I legitimately really like Windows XP. I have never had a Dell machine that didn't fail in a year or so.

87 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:57:25am

re: #83 Dr. Shalit

FWIW -

She Screwed Up and Apologized within 24 Hours. When/Where do I get at least an Apology from Either Dell or Microsoft for the Windows 7 Upgrade Kit. It is a MESS. I SHALL Slog through and get it done. If I Re-Do THIS Machine, It will be a Clean Install and Reload Files/Programs. Right Now I am ready to play Darts. Question Is, whose face on the Board? - Bill Gates or Mike Dell?
That is all.

-S-

Dude! Win7 is pretty like Vista and fast like XP...and seems (as of yet) to not have major security "FAILS!" inside.

A clean install is helpful, like gutting your house each spring...so you get all the dust out...

You should thank Bill for him helping you out...:)

88 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:57:50am

re: #86 WindUpBird

Dell. Definitely. I legitimately really like Windows XP. I have never had a Dell machine that didn't fail in a year or so.

That and all the pre-installed crap that comes with most pre-built systems.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:58:57am

Hey all. Irshad Manji recommends a new book out by a Jordanian journalist, about honor killings.

Check it out. Sorry for the OT, but this is actually more important than wet Palinistas.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey all. Irshad Manji recommends a new book out by a Jordanian journalist, about honor killings.

Check it out. Sorry for the OT, but this is actually more important than wet Palinistas.

I mean, I'm sorry they got wet and didn't get their books signed, but hopefully, no one will die from it.

91 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #87 Curt

The video I posted in #84 is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Louis CK exposes us all for how we take amazing technology completely for granted.

92 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

I mean, I'm sorry they got wet and didn't get their books signed, but hopefully, no one will die from it.

Didn't your grandmother ever tell you that getting cold and wet will give you H1N1?

93 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:03:16pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

re: #87 Curt

Fellas -

Lets Put it this way - Installing Ubuntu Linux under Wubi was MUCH MORE Straightforward. I Expected at least THAT Level of Competence in the Update of "YOUR OWN DOGFOOD!"

-S-

94 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:06:03pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

Dell. Definitely. I legitimately really like Windows XP. I have never had a Dell machine that didn't fail in a year or so.

Had a friend on the inside track a few years ago. He said in the trade papers, the US companies bidding to supply parts to Dell all pulled out of the competiton for the contract, as they would have to pay Dell to be their supplier.

Guess what? Dell is still building computers...it's not only the US Gov who goes with the lowest bidder...

Now, I'll say this: I used to dislike anything OEM. Then, for 4 years I was in the middle of heavy duty electronics recycling. I pulled Dells out of the "waste stream" and put them to work on a test bench, in an open warehouse to test hard drives (in excess of 50,000 of them, but for a few months, we didn't keep good records). every once in a while, I'd have to swap a power supply, maybe a mother board. Darn things wore like iron in the central FL area, heat, humidity and lots and lots and lots of dust. That sure changed my mind.

They were also easy to open and fix in minutes in most cases...almost tool-less. And...any Dell restore CD works in any Dell...imagine the possibilities!

Now have a desktop and a laptop. One is a year old, the other 4 and they still work fine. Have sent a lot of people to the Dell Outlet side (got this laptop there) and they have saved a few hundred from the full retail model on the front page and they came away with legit OS COAs and full warranty support. None of them have had any significant issues, except one guy and they handled it right away. Word of wisdom: If you see one on the list you want. Get out the CC and buy it. In 10 minutes, you may not see it anymore.

95 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:06:18pm

re: #85 WindUpBird

Which is a bit like saying Slayer fans are stronger than U2 fans. Palin has devoted diehards, but big negatives among moderates. Great for a media career or a TV show! Bad for becoming president.

Just testing something ...

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:06:38pm

re: #92 cliffster

Didn't your grandmother ever tell you that getting cold and wet will give you H1N1?

No. My grandmother is a graduate of Hunter College (class of 1944), and has a good grasp of, you know, science.

97 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:07:42pm

re: #93 Dr. Shalit

re: #87 Curt

Fellas -

Lets Put it this way - Installing Ubuntu Linux under Wubi was MUCH MORE Straightforward. I Expected at least THAT Level of Competence in the Update of "YOUR OWN DOGFOOD!"

-S-

IT'S THE ELITIST RICH MAN TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WILL LIKE!

:)

98 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:07:58pm

re: #1 Guanxi88

Piss-poor planning and/or prima donna-ism. FFS, these folk turned out to see you and get you to scrawl something on their books. If you weren't gonna do it, then let folk know at the start.

I don't know how she didn't know about those folks. They apparently were given wristbands, and only "x" number of wristbands were given out. SOMEBODY had to know there were folks left out.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:09:48pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

I don't know how she didn't know about those folks. They apparently were given wristbands, and only "x" number of wristbands were given out. SOMEBODY had to know there were folks left out.

They might have just gotten ruffled, she might have been scooted out by the publisher's handlers. I've heard enough from people on book tours to know that they can sometimes just be pure hell.

I assume Borders would not have kicked them out if she'd been mavericky and dug her heels in.

100 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

I don't know how she didn't know about those folks. They apparently were given wristbands, and only "x" number of wristbands were given out. SOMEBODY had to know there were folks left out.

Another test...

101 bluecheese  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:10:21pm

re: #91 cliffster

The video I posted in #84 is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Louis CK exposes us all for how we take amazing technology completely for granted.

Thanks for posting that.

I LOLed. Very funny, and true as well.

102 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:12:26pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

No. My grandmother is a graduate of Hunter College (class of 1944), and has a good grasp of, you know, science.

Well, in that case, please extend my humblest apologies to your grandmother ;)

103 BlackFedora  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:15:16pm

I don't know why you'd wait for 6 hours in the rain to meet the VP nominee on a failed Presidential ticket... or any other politico for that matter. I just don't get it. You could die in that line and your last experience on this earth is waiting to meet the VP nominee on a failed Presidential ticket...

*shakes head.*

104 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:18:04pm

re: #103 BlackFedora

[...] or any other politico for that matter. I just don't get it.[...]

*shakes head.*

On that part, I'm on your side...

105 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:19:31pm

re: #103 BlackFedora

Well, all of us are commenting on a blog about people standing in the rain for 6 hours waiting to see the VP nominee of a failed presidential campaign. What does that make us? //

106 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:19:40pm

re: #83 Dr. Shalit

If it's too bad to fix, and I had one that was, you can get very fast customer service by googling Michael Dell's email. I dinked around for over 20 hours, trying to get the box to work. Got one via FedEx at their expense in 3 days, after emailing.

Yes, I know it goes to an expedited customer service & not Mike Dell...

107 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:20:28pm

Hi LGF.
I wouldn't stand in the rain for an autograph from...the President of the World.
Buncha dorks.

108 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #91 cliffster

The video I posted in #84 is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Louis CK exposes us all for how we take amazing technology completely for granted.

DUDE! That's funny...and yes, I grew up with a rotary phone...

109 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:21:05pm

re: #107 Spare O'Lake

Hi LGF.
I wouldn't stand in the rain for an autograph from...the President of the World.
Buncha dorks.

My Imperial Stormtroopers would like to have a word with you.
///:)

110 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:23:24pm

re: #108 Curt

DUDE! That's funny...and yes, I grew up with a rotary phone...

Delays? ? New York to LA in 5 hours?? That used to take 30 years! And a bunch of the people in your group would die along the way...

111 oldegeezr  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:23:41pm

re: #85 WindUpBird

“Great for a media career or a TV show! Bad for becoming president.”

This could be good for both; a TV show or running for president, either one or both...?

112 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:24:30pm

re: #110 cliffster

Delays? ? New York to LA in 5 hours?? That used to take 30 years! And a bunch of the people in your group would die along the way...

And when you got there, you'd be with a whole different group of people!

Just posted that on my FB page - it was great.

113 bosforus  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:25:34pm

Nothing's more sincere than a facebook apology.
/

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:28:22pm

Interestingly, one of the Italian commenters on Irshad's Facebooks says that until thirty years ago, there was a special category of murder for reasons of honor, that carried less jail time. The women's movement eventually got the law changed, and she says the problem has largely resolved itself.

That's actually kind of good news. Apparently this sort of thing can be greatly changed within a generation.

115 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:29:22pm

re: #110 cliffster

Delays? ? New York to LA in 5 hours?? That used to take 30 years! And a bunch of the people in your group would die along the way...

MY fist airline flight in 1962 was on a TWA Constellation. From Travis, to Hickam AFB. ON takeoff, one of the engines caught fire and we had to stay in a hotel for three days, then to Wake, then to Japan, then to Okinawa. Took a week, not the time it is now...

116 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:30:34pm

re: #113 bosforus

Nothing's more sincere than a facebook apology.
/

True. It would have been MUCH better if she made no apology at all.As a matter of fact, she should have belittled all those that even would have the audacity to expect her too!

117 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:31:10pm

re: #115 Curt

MY fist airline flight in 1962 was on a TWA Constellation. From Travis, to Hickam AFB. ON takeoff, one of the engines caught fire and we had to stay in a hotel for three days, then to Wake, then to Japan, then to Okinawa. Took a week, not the time it is now...

Just another test of the new 'Return after posting reply' feature...

118 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Interestingly, one of the Italian commenters on Irshad's Facebooks says that until thirty years ago, there was a special category of murder for reasons of honor, that carried less jail time. The women's movement eventually got the law changed, and she says the problem has largely resolved itself.

That's actually kind of good news. Apparently this sort of thing can be greatly changed within a generation.

I think that was like when the husband walks into the bedroom and finds his wife in bed with his best friend.
Now THAT is an honour killing.

119 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:31:51pm

#87 Curt -

For me Vista was never a real problem, just an ocaisional annoyance and a bit of a Silicon Resource Hog - luckily at a time where chip prices cratered. Things I didn't like, such as non-graphic defragmentation, I solved by 3rd Party Programs. I am ready for a more efficient O/Sre: #94 Curt

Had a friend on the inside track a few years ago. He said in the trade papers, the US companies bidding to supply parts to Dell all pulled out of the competiton for the contract, as they would have to pay Dell to be their supplier.

Guess what? Dell is still building computers...it's not only the US Gov who goes with the lowest bidder...

Now, I'll say this: I used to dislike anything OEM. Then, for 4 years I was in the middle of heavy duty electronics recycling. I pulled Dells out of the "waste stream" and put them to work on a test bench, in an open warehouse to test hard drives (in excess of 50,000 of them, but for a few months, we didn't keep good records). every once in a while, I'd have to swap a power supply, maybe a mother board. Darn things wore like iron in the central FL area, heat, humidity and lots and lots and lots of dust. That sure changed my mind.

They were also easy to open and fix in minutes in most cases...almost tool-less. And...any Dell restore CD works in any Dell...imagine the possibilities!

Now have a desktop and a laptop. One is a year old, the other 4 and they still work fine. Have sent a lot of people to the Dell Outlet side (got this laptop there) and they have saved a few hundred from the full retail model on the front page and they came away with legit OS COAs and full warranty support. None of them have had any significant issues, except one guy and they handled it right away. Word of wisdom: If you see one on the list you want. Get out the CC and buy it. In 10 minutes, you may not see it anymore.

Curt -

Just redid a Dimension 4700 with more viruses than are recognized at CDC, Atlanta. Did a clean install of XP Pro, went from 256 Mb Memory to 2 Gb - FROM DELL, who because of shipping costs was the low bid. With a 2.8 Ghz P4 and Downloaded new drivers and Bios - It Is A Baby Beast for $150 in parts (Including the 'pute) and some time, the guy with the open Key # gave it to me for some alcohol and a pack of smokes, so okay $175. That was "then" - 5 years ago - for DELL. Wonder if that applies today?

-S-

120 KingKenrod  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:32:32pm

re: #110 cliffster

Delays? ? New York to LA in 5 hours?? That used to take 30 years! And a bunch of the people in your group would die along the way...

Louis CK does a great bit along these lines.

Youtube Video
121 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:32:50pm

re: #118 Spare O'Lake

I think that was like when the husband walks into the bedroom and finds his wife in bed with his best friend.
Now THAT is an honour killing.

I beg your pardon?

122 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:33:14pm

re: #105 cliffster

Well, all of us are commenting on a blog about people standing in the rain for 6 hours waiting to see the VP nominee of a failed presidential campaign. What does that make us? //


DRY?

123 Cato the Elder  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:33:32pm
We are working on a solution for those who were left behind.

Gee, Bible Spice, I thought you would have known that it's called the Tribulation.

Great job on that Rapture, by the way.

124 borgcube  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:35:47pm

The obsession with her on both sides is worse than anything she has done/said in my opinion. Count me in the camp of I don't give a dumbfounded hootenanny.

125 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:38:12pm

re: #124 borgcube

The obsession with her on both sides is worse than anything she has done/said in my opinion. Count me in the camp of I don't give a dumbfounded hootenanny.

She's crying all the way to the bank.

126 erraticsphinx  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:38:36pm

OT:

There's a classy billboard epidemic going on nowadays.

This is one doesn't even try to mask the racism.

127 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:39:40pm

re: #117 Charles

Just another test of the new 'Return after posting reply' feature...

And another...

128 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:39:59pm

And a test of something else...

129 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:40:45pm

re: #119 Dr. Shalit

#87 Curt -

For me Vista was never a real problem, just an ocaisional annoyance and a bit of a Silicon Resource Hog - luckily at a time where chip prices cratered. Things I didn't like, such as non-graphic defragmentation, I solved by 3rd Party Programs. I am ready for a more efficient O/S

Yep.. I dropped back to XP for this one, because Vista HP was a dog.


Just redid a Dimension 4700 with more viruses than are recognized at CDC, Atlanta. Did a clean install of XP Pro, went from 256 Mb Memory to 2 Gb - FROM DELL, who because of shipping costs was the low bid. With a 2.8 Ghz P4 and Downloaded new drivers and Bios - It Is A Baby Beast for $150 in parts (Including the 'pute) and some time, the guy with the open Key # gave it to me for some alcohol and a pack of smokes, so okay $175. That was "then" - 5 years ago - for DELL. Wonder if that applies today?

-S-

Lately, if a machine has SP3, no spyware, no viruses and plenty of free HD space, I tell them to go to as much RAM as the systems fits (well...as the OS can handle if it's a good MB). 2GB has made many systems of my clients in small offices very happy. I think XP patches to keep the bad stuff away just consumed most of 512 (I did see one person with 256...:( ), and even 1GB is dragging some.

If the economy ever picks back up...I'd love to go back to the Mac world. Have dabbled in Linux (red Hat/Fedora 10/11) and Ubuntu. Nice, but the few drivers I needed (1394a on one display on the other) were a mystery to me, so they are on "excess" boxes in the play room.

130 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:40:55pm

re: #117 Charles

re: #127 Charles

re: #128 Charles


I'm lost without a program

Serves me right for coming in in the middle of the show!

131 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:41:01pm

re: #117 Charles

Just another test of the new 'Return after posting reply' feature...

Sounds interesting.

132 KingKenrod  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:41:01pm

re: #120 KingKenrod

Oh, I see someone posted that video above...funny how I could read one line from the bit and remember something I saw almost a year ago.

133 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:41:04pm

re: #128 Charles

And a test of something else...

Groovy.

134 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:41:43pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

I'm lost without a program

Serves me right for coming in in the middle of the show!

And you still forgot the popcorn.

135 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:41:52pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

I beg your pardon?

Used to be treated as a crime of passion deserving of a slap on the wrist. In Italy. Truth.

136 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:42:07pm

re: #133 Charles

Groovy.

Lemme guess...reload, grasshopper?

137 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:42:31pm

re: #128 Charles

Testing whatever Charles is testing

138 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:43:06pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

And you still forgot the popcorn.

I didn;t forget it

At $8.50 for a small tub I stopped at the buck store and smuglled in my own treats!

Who wants a 1945 era candy bar!?!?!?!

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:43:41pm

re: #126 erraticsphinx

OT:

There's a classy billboard epidemic going on nowadays.

This is one doesn't even try to mask the racism.

It's also grammatically incorrect. The suggested parallism requires that it say "President or Jihadi?"

How perfectly charming.

140 borgcube  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:43:43pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

Bible Spice. That's pretty funny. Let me guess, that's been out on Palin for months now?

141 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:43:43pm

re: #117 Charles

Just another test of the new 'Return after posting reply' feature...

OK. Is that why after I post a comment I'm jumping back upthread?

142 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:44:01pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

Who wants a 1945 era candy bar!?!?!?!

Put that sumbitch up on Ebay and you could pay for the whole evening's entertainment.

143 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:44:40pm

re: #141 reine.de.tout

OK. Is that why after I post a comment I'm jumping back upthread?

hmmm.

144 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:44:42pm

re: #140 borgcube

Bible Spice. That's pretty funny. Let me guess, that's been out on Palin for months now?

Far as I know, that's a Cato original.

145 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:45:24pm

re: #144 Guanxi88

Far as I know, that's a Cato original.

Uh- no.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:45:38pm

re: #135 Spare O'Lake

Used to be treated as a crime of passion deserving of a slap on the wrist. In Italy. Truth.

Yes, that's pretty much what I posted, although I would be very surprised if that was the only situation so treated. It's disgusting, and in terms of being eradicated, relevent to honor killings in the Muslim world.

147 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:45:39pm

re: #143 Sharmuta

hmmm.

Yeah I noticed it earlier - posted a comment then immediately jumped back up to where I was before I posted the comment. I thought it was a glitch.

148 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:45:44pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Lemme guess...reload, grasshopper?

Worked for me.

149 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:45:48pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

Uh- no.

Impossible! Whose is it?

150 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:46:01pm

re: #147 reine.de.tout

Yeah I noticed it earlier - posted a comment then immediately jumped back up to where I was before I posted the comment. I thought it was a glitch.

I't s a check box!

151 erraticsphinx  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:46:46pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

The car dealership owner who put up the sign does not seem to be the brightest.

152 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:46:53pm

re: #142 Guanxi88

Put that sumbitch up on Ebay and you could pay for the whole evening's entertainment.

Not nearly as much as you'd get for a Jesus-shaped Cheeto

153 KingKenrod  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:46:56pm

re: #149 Guanxi88

Impossible! Whose is it?

The internet tells me Alec Baldwin.

154 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:46:58pm

re: #149 Guanxi88

Impossible! Whose is it?

I don't know, but it's all over google.

155 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:47:14pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

I't s a check box!

Where do I cash it?

157 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:47:44pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

I't s a check box!

Hm?
I reloaded - don't see a checkbox. What am I missing?

158 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:47:57pm

re: #153 KingKenrod

The internet tells me Alec Baldwin.

Who might very well be Cato, or vice versa.

re: #154 Sharmuta

I don't know, but it's all over google.

Well, Cato's been around better'n a score of centuries, so who can be surprised is his work has wide distribution?

159 oldegeezr  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:48:08pm

re: #118 Spare O'Lake

“I think that was like when the husband walks into the bedroom and finds his wife in bed with his best friend.
Now THAT is an honour killing.

I think that was like when the wife walks into the bedroom and finds her husband in bed with her paramour.
Now that is an honor killing to die fore...!

160 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:48:35pm

re: #152 cliffster

Not nearly as much as you'd get for a Jesus-shaped Cheeto

The still shot at the beginning looks more like Yoda than Jeebus!

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:48:44pm

re: #152 cliffster

Not nearly as much as you'd get for a Jesus-shaped Cheeto

If people want Jesus-shaped Cheetos, why doesn't the Cheeto company just manufacture them that way?

162 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:48:51pm

re: #156 Ojoe

The wind rips clouds off the top of the mountain. Towercam. May not last.

Wow.
Amazing view.

163 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:49:10pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

Hm?
I reloaded - don't see a checkbox. What am I missing?

We don't have that much time!!

///

164 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:49:52pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

If people want Jesus-shaped Cheetos, why doesn't the Cheeto company just manufacture them that way?

Since Jesus was a man, and most men are pretty much shaped the same way, how to people know it's a Jesus-shaped Cheeto, and not some other guy?

165 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:49:59pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

If people want Jesus-shaped Cheetos, why doesn't the Cheeto company just manufacture them that way?

Dilutes the value of the originals. It'd be as if da Vinci decided to do a raft of Mona Lisa portraits and commissioned the sails from the Royal Navy for material. Nobody'd want one then.

That's why Frito-Lay only does limited runs of these divine salty snacks.

166 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:50:42pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Since Jesus was a man, and most men are pretty much shaped the same way, how to people know it's a Jesus-shaped Cheeto, and not some other guy?

You really thing that Fate and Frito Lay corporation would go to the trouble of making a Cheeto shaped like Phil in Accounts Payable?

167 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:51:10pm

re: #166 Guanxi88

You really thing that Fate and Frito Lay corporation would go to the trouble of making a Cheeto shaped like Phil in Accounts Payable?

LOL!
good point.

168 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:51:13pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Since Jesus was a man, and most men are pretty much shaped the same way, how to people know it's a Jesus-shaped Cheeto, and not some other guy?

Because it's not miraculous if it's a Philip-shaped Cheeto.

169 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:51:43pm

re: #166 Guanxi88

How did we both go with Phil/Philip?

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:51:46pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Since Jesus was a man, and most men are pretty much shaped the same way, how to people know it's a Jesus-shaped Cheeto, and not some other guy?

Ummm...if it were the Buddha, he'd be seated in a meditative mudra?

171 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:51:48pm

re: #166 Guanxi88

You really thing that Fate and Frito Lay corporation would go to the trouble of making a Cheeto shaped like Phil in Accounts Payable?

Why not? I used to pray to him when his company owed me money!

172 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:52:06pm

re: #169 Sharmuta

How did we both go with Phil/Philip?

Jinxy, ain't it?

173 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:52:19pm

re: #169 Sharmuta

How did we both go with Phil/Philip?

Miraculous result of that Jesus-shaped Cheeto.

174 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:52:22pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, that's pretty much what I posted, although I would be very surprised if that was the only situation so treated. It's disgusting, and in terms of being eradicated, relevent to honor killings in the Muslim world.

A serious crime for sure, but I find it infinitely easier to understand than killing one's daughter for not wearing a burka to school.

175 Guanxi88  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:52:40pm

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

Ummm...if it were the Buddha, he'd be seated in a meditative mudra?

Were it the Buddha, it'd be a bit more squat, unless it was one of those longer ones, i nwhich case it would be parinirvana.

176 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:52:42pm

re: #173 reine.de.tout

Miraculous result of that Jesus-shaped Cheeto.

PROOF IT JESUS!

177 sagehen  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:53:07pm

re: #140 borgcube

Bible Spice. That's pretty funny. Let me guess, that's been out on Palin for months now?

More than a year, I think it even pre-dates Caribou Barbie.

178 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:53:36pm

re: #175 Guanxi88

Were it the Buddha, it'd be a bit more squat, unless it was one of those longer ones, i nwhich case it would be parinirvana.

Maybe it was Buddha PRE- heft

Sort like Skinny Elvis/ Fat Elvis !

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:54:10pm

re: #174 Spare O'Lake

A serious crime for sure, but I find it infinitely easier to understand than killing one's daughter for not wearing a burka to school.

I'm not so sure I believe that immodest daughters were not also victims of this law, or that wives suspected of cheating, rather than found in flagrante were not. This comes out of the same pit as all honor killing, the belief that a man's pride is worth more than a woman's life.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:54:48pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

PROOF IT JESUS!

I would say that that's proof it's Phil.

181 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:56:29pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

I would say that that's proof it's Phil.

Or is it proof of Philip? I'd say this is the first divide.

182 sagehen  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:56:34pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Since Jesus was a man, and most men are pretty much shaped the same way, how to people know it's a Jesus-shaped Cheeto, and not some other guy?

It's the beard. Nobody else has ever had that kind of beard.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:58:45pm

re: #182 sagehen

It's the beard. Nobody else has ever had that kind of beard.

As my mother likes to say: "Jesus probably didn't really look like an Italian art student."

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:59:35pm

Speaking of Italians, I have been watching the first season of "Rome".

185 sagehen  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

As my mother likes to say: "Jesus probably didn't really look like an Italian art student."

I dunno, Italian art schools seem to have a lot of middle-easterners.

186 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Since Jesus was a man, and most men are pretty much shaped the same way, how to people know it's a Jesus-shaped Cheeto, and not some other guy?

A "talon_262"-shaped Cheeto would be a bit ample in the middle...

///

187 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:03:19pm

re: #186 talon_262

The new feature's kind of nice...as Charles (and Ash [Bruce Campbell] from the Evil Dead movies) says, "Groovy!"

188 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:05:17pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not so sure I believe that immodest daughters were not also victims of this law, or that wives suspected of cheating, rather than found in flagrante were not. This comes out of the same pit as all honor killing, the belief that a man's pride is worth more than a woman's life.

I will not defend a crazed jealous husband who kills his lousy cheating wife who screws his best friend in his own bed in the matrimonial home.
However I think you would admit, in fairness, that the wife's extramarital conduct is qualitatively more culpable that the burkaless daughter who simply wants to integrate and fit in with her friends.
As such the analogy is a bit strained.

189 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:07:08pm

re: #51 kingkenrod

On another topic, while reading Palin's apology at her Facebook page, I noticed this post about Reid's Senate health care bill:

Most employers cap FSA contributions at $5000, so this makes an additional $2500 taxable for people who use these accounts. And the people hardest hit by this are those with expensive, chronic conditions.

From what I understand, the employers wanted the $2,500 FSA cap and that the Dems caved in so as to get the votes. Similar story goes for the House bill as well.

Clever on the part of Palin's people to use the FSA cap - disingenuous but it is clever.

190 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:08:21pm

re: #137 cliffster

Testing whatever Charles is testing

Charles is becoming like Google with SEO: Only he knows what's inside...:)

Onse day and we could wake up to an "auto-dinging" system, set to your own preferences...like, anyone who uses inserted text...DOWN DING! and the same for ups...the ultimate in ding wars cold be your who's been naughty, who's been nice list by nom de lizard "handle."

How cool would that be? Then we could make a YouTube video bitching about how we had to read each comment and then figure out thumbs up/down and ACTUALLY CLICK AN ICON! and when we had to use our fingers to type stuff in...

191 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:09:28pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

I didn;t forget it

At $8.50 for a small tub I stopped at the buck store and smuglled in my own treats!

So. it's you wrecking the economy! If you don't stop, we all will get no more loans from China!

192 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:15:54pm

re: #191 Curt

So. it's you wrecking the economy! If you don't stop, we all will get no more loans from China!

I've never had the Chinese loan me popcorn

How does that work?

193 oldegeezr  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:28:30pm

re: #190 Curt

Where, when, who and how did this

“dingy”

start...?

I first noticed it back at the “Captain’s Quarters”, many moons ago.
It appears a bit self indulgent... too “ding” and “re-ding”..?

Than again I’m an oldegeezer, cranky, self indulgent and obviously out of touch...my ownself...!

194 cliffster  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:29:48pm

re: #193 oldegeezr

Too old for spaces?

195 oldegeezr  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:35:19pm

re: #194 cliffster

Never use 'em.

However I can change that practice if it is disturbing?
I'm not that set in my ways.

Or not...?

196 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:37:34pm

re: #193 oldegeezr

Where, when, who and how did this

start...?

I first noticed it back at the “Captain’s Quarters”, many moons ago.
It appears a bit self indulgent... too “ding” and “re-ding”..?

Than again I’m an oldegeezer, cranky, self indulgent and obviously out of touch...my ownself...!

Or...not to ding...that, sir, is a question for the ages...

197 Curt  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:39:45pm

re: #192 sattv4u2

I've never had the Chinese loan me popcorn

How does that work?

That's a lecture of which I can't even give...I mean, I don't know who the popcorn moguls are...except the empire of Orville...and by now, he may have been bought out by a Hong Kong business broker.

I hear you'll be balckballed from all movie theaters for life if you are caught. Isn't that enough to scare you straight?

/sarc

198 Right Brain  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:42:44pm

Reports are coming in that Sarah Palin sold 300,000 copies in the first day. Must be some kind of record. No wonder she could not find time to autograph each one.

199 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:54:00pm

re: #198 Right Brain

Reports are coming in that Sarah Palin sold 300,000 copies in the first day. Must be some kind of record. No wonder she could not find time to autograph each one.

Heh. At 15 seconds per signing, that would be 1,250 hours of 24/7 signing.

200 barflytom  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 2:19:31pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Hmmm... I don't have time to read 2,000 pages of the Obamacare bill, so let's assume for the sake of argument that it doesn't specifically create anything that could be called a "death panel".
It doesn't need to for her comment to still be valid.
If you have government funded healthcare then you get rationing, as night follows day. So some people are going to be denied treatment, whether as a matter of a general policy, or decisions made on a case by case basis. I'm not a doctor, but I assume that there are some illnesses that will cause people to die sooner without treatment than they would have done if treated. i.e their lives will be shortened.
I doubt that any individual government bureaucrat is going to put his name to a document specifically denying care to Mr X for illness Y, so the decisions on which treatments are funded and which aren't will be made by committees.
So you will get "life shortening committees", whatever it says in any bill.

"Death panels" is a bit more succinct. How is it a "lie" ?

Since there will never be unlimited resources for medical treatment, some people aren't going to get treated no matter what system is in place, public or private or any combination. The point is that some branch of government will end up making life and death decisions in any public system. If you're happy for the government to do that, well good luck.

201 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 2:58:12pm

re: #129 Curt

Curt -

To "reiterate" - If Printers Did Not Slow Down - AND - Employees were comfortable with it (They are Not as a Rule) I would seriously consider switching to Ubuntu Linux on all company machines. I got them used to Open Office and Firefox, so long as it is under the "Windows Wing." Remove the "Wing" and they get scared, even though the programs are for all intents and purposes, the same.

-S-

202 Blue Belle  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 3:57:06pm

Book signings can be absolutely horrible for the fans and the author. As a former librarian, I've had fantastic authors with readers lined up wanting autographs at the end of the lecture with plenty of planned time, and guess what, the event goes longer than anticipated. The Director says, "we're closing now." So you try to move into the parking lot and the lights are on timers, to conserve energy and all becomes a mess. Gee, maybe more people might support the library in times of funding shortages if they perceived an administration that might actually accommodate the public. I've had friends as bookstore managers who have encountered the same mentality in corporate headquarters. But Palin should have stayed and tried to issue some sort of apology then, or signed in the rain, or given "rainchecks."

203 palomino  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 3:57:58pm

re: #200 barflytom

You're ignoring the fact that health care rationing already exists, ergo, using your own loose definition of the term, death panels are in place NOW in both public and private insurance systems.

So then the only real question is: do you trust a PUBLIC death panel as opposed to one run by a PRIVATE corporation. This is clearly not the point Palin was trying to make when she brought the topic up in the first place.

204 Locker  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 4:20:56pm

re: #200 barflytom

I think you do demonstrate, if not capture her point quite clearly. She wants to scare people. Now personally if health care is going to be rationed do I want it rationed by:

A. An elected body of citizen's who's motivation is to help.
B. A private company who's motivations is to maximize profits.

The easy choice is A.

Now, folk will start to scream about inefficiency and possible corruption. Personally I'd rather have the exception (corruption) out to hurt me vs the normal system (profit motive) being out to get me.

Now if you want to trust corporations to do this then good luck with that.

205 barflytom  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 4:54:12pm

re: #204 Locker

A. An elected body of citizen's who's motivation is to help.

As in "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" ?

Talk about scaring people !

206 JRCMYP  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 6:54:32pm

ENOUGH. ENOUGH. ENOUGH. ENOUGH!!!

She's so freaking awful! I mean a.w.f.ul.l!!! She's stupid, entitled, selfish, shallow and AWFUL!!! PLEASE!

I want a reasonable, sane, smart, non-ideological, PERSON as our president. Someone who is able to separate out the hype from the crap.

I'm an atheist. I don't give a flying FUCK about ANYONES religious underpinnings. And if you can't make your argument without using the freaking bible or a surrogate of the bible to sustain your thoughts---I just don't freaking care.

Give me sound and progressive economic policy. Give me reasonable and sustainable foreign policy. And take your personality out of the mix. Because I don't give a flying fuck about any of that. Just FIX the shit that the last 8 years of war debt and crazy culture wars have lead us through and bring us back to a rational, cultural neutral, or better yet, culturally agnostic perspective. Please.

Palin is a freaking wack job.

Please, please, please can we move on?? Give me a president with a sense of realism and practical policy. Please!!

207 JRCMYP  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 6:57:49pm

And OMFG. She's Octomom on political steroids.

208 hickph  Sun, Nov 22, 2009 7:46:51am

Left behind? Leave it to Palin to incorporate a neo-apocalyptic worldview into an apology. The woman never misses an opportunity!

209 katemaclaren  Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:54:37am

Even if I didn't like Sarah Palin, I know and understand that it's very hard traveling on a book tour--and she has a family. For Christ's sake, you can't even go to the bathroom when you need to--I know.
I'm really surprised at the vitriol towards her on this website. What in the world gives? You'd think she was Brittany Spears or Lindsay Lohan, for goodness sake.
She apologized. Let it go. Why be on the same bandwagon with those who are so full of vindictive, spiteful, and in the end, quite counterproductive anger towards her? I'm wondering if there were the same kind of comments about Hillary and her book? I'm sure she didn't hang around at every Barnes and Noble at every hog-wallow between here and Arkansas to sign books for her fans.

210 katemaclaren  Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:56:21am

re: #198 Right Brain

That would cause quite a case of writer's cramp, imho.


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