Missouri’s Lafayette County Republican Central Committee has put up a billboard proudly advising citizens to prepare for the violent overthrow of the US government: Lafayette County Politics: New I-70 billboard replaces famed OBAMANATION sign. Reads: Vote Out Incumbents. Live Free or Die!
UPDATE at 11/22/09 11:28:16 am:
More billboard bad craziness:
And an oldie but not a goodie from 2008:
(Hat tip: LGF readers.)
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Obdicut Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:08:19am |
It also seems like it's encouraging tax fraud or just not paying your taxes.
I know, less exciting that the violent overthrow part, but I think more likely to actually start happening in significant numbers.
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Varek Raith Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:10:19am |
Oh, boy. This is pure idiocy on their part. Cluebat to Lafayette County Republicans, tax evasion is a crime, which their first point seems to imply.
/three more years of this nonsense?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:11:01am |
re: #2 Varek Raith
Oh, boy. This is pure idiocy on their part. Cluebat to Lafayette County Republicans, tax evasion is a crime, which their first point seems to imply.
/three more years of this nonsense?
Call it seven if they keep this up. Maybe more.
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Varek Raith Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:12:15am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:13:13am |
Oh, Hell. Those fools are going to get people killed. They actually think that a revolution is a good thing. Violent revolutions have sometimes been necessary things (though I do not believe that that is the case in today's USA), but they are never good things.
You say that war is all glory, I know that war is all Hell.
General William Tecumseh Sherman
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philosophus invidius Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:13:47am |
At least step #2 does not advocate a criminal action.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:16:45am |
re: #6 philosophus invidius
At least step #2 does not advocate a criminal action.
True. But it could be good, or bad. "Incumbent" tells you nothing except that a person already holds that office, not how they've been doing in it.
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andres Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:16:51am |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
I agree with you. War should never be pursued for glory, but necessity.
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:17:25am |
That's a pretty lean guide.
If you're going to continue to ask me not to use my brain then I'm going to need more detailed instructions.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:17:38am |
I got beer. Don't come on my property.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:21:41am |
Is Yuengling beer good? My brother bought some.
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Ojoe Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:24:23am |
Down with both major political parties.
Pffiibbitth.™
Join the Modern Whig Party.
You'll be in good company, I joined.
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Varek Raith Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:25:17am |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
"Prepare for war"
ugh.
"Prepare for an extended outing in the political wilderness"
/Competing billboard.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:25:34am |
Brought to you by the people who brought you Timothy McVey.
(Not meaning the GOP, meaning people of hate)
| 19 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:26:25am |
This sign is a clear incitement to violence.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:27:16am |
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philosophus invidius Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:27:54am |
If the majority of people vote for the "incumbents" (thus signaling their approval government policies) then the pure and uncorrupted souls should thwart the will of the people and establish ... what? Not a democracy, I guess.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:28:12am |
I don't think this reference is intentional on the part of the GOP there, but 'the Beast' and 'Starve the Beast' is language that's been taken over by neo-confederates, anti-gubbmint types, white supremacist and separatists, and Christian Identity folks, and many other scattered evil nutcase groups about the US govt-- the type of people who think Social Security numbers are the 'Mark of the Beast' and the US govt is the Antichrist. Assorted lunatics living 'off the grid'. For people with that kind of ideology, this exhortation to 'live free or die' is frighteningly literal.
Bad times.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:28:35am |
re: #19 Jimmah
This sign is a clear incitement to violence.
I think so. Probably shouldn't be legal. It's also advocating that people not pay their taxes which is also illegal. At the very least it's anti-American.
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Ojoe Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:30:16am |
re: #19 Jimmah
Illegal too:
TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I--CRIMES
CHAPTER 19--CONSPIRACY
Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence
(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.
| 25 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:31:31am |
This is sick, but what is sicker is that no Republican will condemn it. (I hope I am wrong).
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:31:57am |
Imagine if CAIR put up a billboard like this.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:32:21am |
re: #21 philosophus invidius
Not a democracy, I guess.
Was never meant to be. A "democracy" is two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch!
(not at ALL condoning this piece of trash billboard ,,, juts sayin!!)
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:33:14am |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
I think so. Probably shouldn't be legal. It's also advocating that people not pay their taxes which is also illegal. At the very least it's anti-American.
Didn't you get the memo? It's atheists that are unamerican.
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fizzlogic Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:33:54am |
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
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Varek Raith Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:35:18am |
re: #28 iceweasel
Didn't you get the memo? It's atheists that are unamerican.
I remember that one. Idiots. Why does my lack of faith mean I'm un-American? WTF! That one really irked me.
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philosophus invidius Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:35:26am |
re: #27 sattv4u2
That's why we have a Constitution & Bill of Rights.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:35:27am |
re: #28 iceweasel
Yes, I was once sternly lectured by a Canadian ex-lizard about how anti-American I am.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:36:04am |
Didn't Republicans declare "war on the poor" and "war on the children" in 1994 in order to balance the budget?
/
| 34 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:36:19am |
re: #29 trendsurfer
Yes. It's the Republicans fault.
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:36:31am |
re: #22 iceweasel
I don't think this reference is intentional on the part of the GOP there, but 'the Beast' and 'Starve the Beast' is language that's been taken over by neo-confederates, anti-gubbmint types, white supremacist and separatists, and Christian Identity folks, and many other scattered evil nutcase groups about the US govt-- the type of people who think Social Security numbers are the 'Mark of the Beast' and the US govt is the Antichrist. Assorted lunatics living 'off the grid'. For people with that kind of ideology, this exhortation to 'live free or die' is frighteningly literal.
Bad times.
The capitalization of 'Beast' is there as a dog whistle for somebody...
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:37:03am |
re: #29 trendsurfer
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
While I hate to say your right--your right.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:40:18am |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Shit, I was told here the other day I was un-American.
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njdhockeyfan Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:40:18am |
Here is another billboard making the rounds on the blogosphere.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:40:40am |
re: #36 ausador
While I hate to say your right--your right.
Yes. The Republicans ran the House and the Senate and the White House.
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SteveC Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:41:13am |
re: #33 rwmofo
Didn't Republicans declare "war on the poor" and "war on the children" in 1994 in order to balance the budget?
/
And what happened? 15 year later, and there are still poor people, and still children! The Republicans had gotten us into a quagmire!
///³
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:41:42am |
re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh, I saw that.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:41:46am |
re: #25 Naso Tang
This is sick, but what is sicker is that no Republican will condemn it. (I hope I am wrong).
I'm a Republican, and I condemn it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:42:28am |
re: #35 Girth
The capitalization of 'Beast' is there as a dog whistle for somebody...
I hope not intentionally, but it's getting harder and harder to ignore just how completely the crazy seems to have infested the right at the moment.
re: #30 Varek Raith
I remember that one. Idiots. Why does my lack of faith mean I'm un-American? WTF! That one really irked me.
Me too. As well as the implied threat of murder ('traitors lead to civil war').
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:43:04am |
re: #44 SteveC
I'm not registered... but... me too?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:43:12am |
re: #40 SteveC
And what happened? 15 year later, and there are still poor people, and still children! The Republicans had gotten us into a quagmire!
///³
But Americans are fat and all have cable.
/
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:43:13am |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Yes, I was once sternly lectured by a Canadian ex-lizard about how anti-American I am.
Was that Moe Katz, now of the Stalker Blog?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:43:32am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:43:41am |
re: #38 njdhockeyfan
Here is another billboard making the rounds on the blogosphere.
I hope everybody sees that one.
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prairiefire Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:44:37am |
Oy Vey, I've grown up cheek by jowl with those folks all my life. It is exhausting. When I go to the public library, I have to turn all the Obama books right way up after they have been turned upside down. I'm sure they would piss on them if they could get away with it.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:44:46am |
re: #38 njdhockeyfan
Here is another billboard making the rounds on the blogosphere.
That's pretty bad. At least no one disparaged President Bush that way.
*cough*
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:44:48am |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
I'm a Republican, and I condemn it.
I know good people like you will condemn it-- I'd like to see a GOP official denounce it.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:45:22am |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
I think so. Probably shouldn't be legal. It's also advocating that people not pay their taxes which is also illegal. At the very least it's anti-American.
Yep. As I said here a few days ago, some people 'live' in a twisted imaginary version of America that only exists in their own heads. They are very much anti- the real America, the America they are clearly now fantasising about making war on.
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wiffersnapper Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:47:02am |
Wait, do the ronulans condone this idea of armed violence? After all, it has REVOLUTION in big blue letters.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:47:03am |
Nothing like a civil war to drain a nation of wealth and youth.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:48:26am |
re: #51 rwmofo
That's pretty bad. At least no one disparaged President Bush that way.
*cough*
I condemned extreme and unfair attacks on Bush when they were happening, just as I now condemn extreme and unfair attacks on Obama. I suspect that is true of many people here.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:48:39am |
re: #38 njdhockeyfan
Uh, and I thought the PeTA billboard on south bound Sante Fe was bad.
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SteveC Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:48:42am |
re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not registered... but... me too?
When I turned 18 this gentleman from the West named Ronald Reagan was leading this country. I liked him and his ideas enough to get up off my butt and send him the 16.00 that my broke white ass could scrape together. (I even looked under the pillows of the couch!)
Haven't sent a dime since. But they keep sending letters and telling me that I'm a faithful supporter!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:49:11am |
If there is a civil war, will some one shoot me an email so I can get beer for my side?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:49:39am |
re: #38 njdhockeyfan
Here is another billboard making the rounds on the blogosphere.
Extreme Bad Craziness Hate. It takes real hate, not simple craziness, to think that a president who was pained by the loss of those he commanded was not in fact sad, but in fact thought the killings good. I can't get inside the mind of someone like that.
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wiffersnapper Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:49:52am |
The only civil war this country needs is Oregon - Oregon State.
| 63 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:49:54am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:50:21am |
re: #58 Idle Drifter
Uh, and I thought the PeTA billboard on south bound Sante Fe was bad.
What did that one say?
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:50:23am |
re: #57 Jimmah
I condemned extreme and unfair attacks on Bush when they were happening, just as I now condemn extreme and unfair attacks on Obama. I suspect that is true of many people here.
Yep.
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akarra Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:50:26am |
re: #13 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is Yuengling beer good? My brother bought some.
I don't particularly like it: it's better than Bud or Coors, but unless you're drinking the "Black and Tan" version or the Porter, I think it's pretty weak stuff.
I think the best beer in America might be from Texas - Shiner Bock.
| 67 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:50:33am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:50:57am |
re: #62 wiffersnapper
The only civil war this country needs is Oregon - Oregon State.
Don't forget Bears vs. Packers.
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wiffersnapper Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:51:00am |
This is what I mean when I say Civil War. Just so people don't jump to conclusions!
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SteveC Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:51:05am |
re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar
If there is a civil war, will some one shoot me an email so I can get beer for my side?
Just don't mention what side you're on. If you choose poorly, there may be folks who just want to shoot you!
| 71 |
Pepper Fox Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:51:47am |
I here by secede and declare my state of "Get the fuck off my lawn"
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:52:30am |
re: #64 Dark_Falcon
"How much suffering can you swallow?" With a picture of a chicken from a factory farm.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:52:52am |
re: #71 Pepper Fox
I here by secede and declare my state of "Get the fuck off my lawn"
Me too. And I have 5 acres, so pee at will.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:52:53am |
re: #68 Dark_Falcon
Don't forget Bears vs. Packers.
Harvard / Yale
(((hey ,,, I grew up in Boston. Except for the occasional good Boston College team, we didn't have big time football!!!)))
((and yes,, I was a lil kid there BEFORE the Patriots were even created !)))
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:53:54am |
re: #72 Idle Drifter
"How much suffering can you swallow?" With a picture of a chicken from a factory farm.
"Vegetarian said to me, 'Do you know what they do to those poor chickens?'. I said, 'No, but it is deee-licious.'"
-Jim Gaffigan
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:53:55am |
Gonna need a Civil War Plan...
Good thing I have a Zombie Plan already in place. Couple of tweaks and replace all mention of 'zombies' with 'rebels' and I should get through the worst of it pretty painlessly.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:54:32am |
Just found this on youtube from last month: a billboard in MO, also with the 'live free or die' slogan, with a hammer and sickle, saying:
HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR CHANGE NOW?
OBAMA-NATION
THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU, THE TAXPAYER,
1st & 2nd Amendments are in jeopardy.
LIVE FREE OR DIE
Notice the shoutout to the End Times/anti-gubbmint crazies again, with 'Obama-Nation' (Abomination), just like this billboard with the 'Beast' reference.
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Pepper Fox Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:54:35am |
re: #77 Girth
Gonna need a Civil War Plan...
Good thing I have a Zombie Plan already in place. Couple of tweaks and replace all mention of 'zombies' with 'rebels' and I should get through the worst of it pretty painlessly.
Most of the revolutionists are gonna be slow moving fat republicans anyway.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:54:40am |
re: #25 Naso Tang
This is sick, but what is sicker is that no Republican will condemn it. (I hope I am wrong).
How can they not? It's coming from a group within their party--surely someone's gonna say, at least, 'take that down'.
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jaunte Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:55:10am |
Weren't some people in a huge huff about ACORN encouraging tax evasion?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:55:25am |
re: #75 Idle Drifter
Michigan vs Michigan State
Crips/ Bloods!
Sharks / Jets ! (West Side Story reference!)
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Pepper Fox Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:55:32am |
re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist
How can they not? It's coming from a group within their party--surely someone's gonna say, at least, 'take that down'.
It's not about whats right anymore, it's about who's team wins.
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wiffersnapper Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:55:55am |
re: #82 sattv4u2
Yanks/Everyone else that watches baseball
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:56:15am |
re: #30 Varek Raith
I remember that one. Idiots. Why does my lack of faith mean I'm un-American? WTF! That one really irked me.
Every time I see one of these amazing things these days, I just start humming "Class" from "Chicago".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:57:17am |
re: #81 jaunte
Weren't some people in a huge huff about ACORN encouraging tax evasion?
Yes. And these are the exact same thing.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:57:37am |
re: #81 jaunte
Weren't some people in a huge huff about ACORN encouraging tax evasion?
Yep! so much in a huff that they had to go to several offices to get the footage they wanted.
*rimshot*
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:57:39am |
re: #40 SteveC
And what happened? 15 year later, and there are still poor people, and still children! The Republicans had gotten us into a quagmire!
///³
They should have listened to President Bush the Younger's favorite political philosopher on that one.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:58:08am |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
I'm a Republican, and I condemn it.
Maybe we can fundraise, and the Republican lizards can put up their own sign.
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:58:10am |
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. The Republicans ran the House and the Senate and the White House.
We are talking about a philosophy that started in the Reagan years in a small way and turned into a juggernaut over time. Tax cuts were always good because by denying funds to the government it would have to shrink...right?
Only it didn't shrink, the congress kept right on spending money they didn't have and financing it through bond issues. That is why we now have a lot of the deficit that we do. This isn't about the "last eight years" this is about the fiscal irresponsibility of the last thirty. It is about the kind of attitude on capitol hill that allowed the prescription drug benefit to pass without any attempt to pay for any of it. $32 Trillion in new Medicare spending over the long term according to the CBO with no new revenues coming in to pay for it.
Take a little broader view please.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:58:30am |
re: #43 iceweasel
Me too. As well as the implied threat of murder ('traitors lead to civil war').
Oh, I think the dog whistle is entirely intentional.
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Obdicut Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:58:48am |
re: #81 jaunte
Weren't some people in a huge huff about ACORN encouraging tax evasion?
Oh, but it's totally okay when you're doing it in principle, for some reason.
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SteveC Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:58:54am |
re: #71 Pepper Fox
I here by secede and declare my state of "Get the fuck off my lawn"
Back in the early '70s one of the cereal companies would deed you one square inch of the moon if you sent in a certain amount of boxtops. One young man mailed in enough to own about a square foot of the moon.
This was all well and good - until he decided to write his President and tell him to recognize that square foot an independent nation - "or else".
THAT didn't go over so well.
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:59:00am |
re: #79 Pepper Fox
Most of the revolutionists are gonna be slow moving fat republicans anyway.
Good thing... My zombie plan really only addresses the classic slow-moving zombies, not the more modern fast movers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:59:11am |
re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar
But Americans are fat and all have cable.
/
Including the children.
//"Oh Lord. A homeless redwood. What have we DONE?"
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 10:59:46am |
re: #50 prairiefire
Oy Vey, I've grown up cheek by jowl with those folks all my life. It is exhausting. When I go to the public library, I have to turn all the Obama books right way up after they have been turned upside down. I'm sure they would piss on them if they could get away with it.
For the librarian's sake, I'm glad they don't.
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Racer X Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:00:01am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:00:20am |
re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist
Every time I see one of these amazing things these days, I just start humming "Class" from "Chicago".
Great song. Too bad that they cut it from the theater release:
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:00:37am |
re: #57 Jimmah
I condemned extreme and unfair attacks on Bush when they were happening, just as I now condemn extreme and unfair attacks on Obama. I suspect that is true of many people here.
I once defended Bush's right to clear brush! It was a big argument!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:00:40am |
re: #90 ausador
We are talking about a philosophy that started in the Reagan years in a small way and turned into a juggernaut over time. Tax cuts were always good because by denying funds to the government it would have to shrink...right?
Only it didn't shrink, the congress kept right on spending money they didn't have and financing it through bond issues. That is why we now have a lot of the deficit that we do. This isn't about the "last eight years" this is about the fiscal irresponsibility of the last thirty. It is about the kind of attitude on capitol hill that allowed the prescription drug benefit to pass without any attempt to pay for any of it. $32 Trillion in new Medicare spending over the long term according to the CBO with no new revenues coming in to pay for it.
Take a little broader view please.
So, is it still Reagans fault?
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:01:27am |
The Browns scored 24 points in the 1st quarter?
Oh, they're playing...Detroit.
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philosophus invidius Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:02:06am |
re: #81 jaunte
But it's white people that are being oppressed by the Obama-nation, hence they are the ones who shouldn't have to pay taxes.
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:02:17am |
re: #101 rwmofo
The Browns scored 24 points in the 1st quarter?
Oh, they're playing...Detroit.
Wait... Someone scored in that game?
/flip channel
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SteveC Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:02:20am |
re: #101 rwmofo
The Browns scored 24 points in the 1st quarter?
Oh, they're playing...Detroit.
24 points? What's wrong with them? Anyone out with an injury?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:02:39am |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I think the dog whistle is entirely intentional.
Then those who put up the billboard should be held legally accountable if any nutjob uses the billboard as a justification for murder. That billboard is the equivalent of starting a panic in a crowd. If someone gets trampled, you are to blame.
| 106 |
J.S. Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:02:56am |
(I had an interesting conversation the other day -- it was like a Canadian skit, "Talking to Americans!" -- hilarious...)
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:03:02am |
re: #101 rwmofo
The Browns scored 24 points in the 1st quarter?
Oh, they're playing...Detroit.
Detroit has already scored 16 points?
Oh, they're playing...the Browns.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:03:07am |
re: #90 ausador
We are talking about a philosophy that started in the Reagan years in a small way and turned into a juggernaut over time
Ya may want to research that a tad more. The philosophy of the Reagan Tax Cuts was modeled after those made by Kennedy in the rearly 60's
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:03:18am |
re: #72 Idle Drifter
"How much suffering can you swallow?" With a picture of a chicken from a factory farm.
I watched something about that last night. Made me think. I might do a post about it later.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:03:34am |
re: #101 rwmofo
The Browns scored 24 points in the 1st quarter?
Oh, they're playing...Detroit.
Geeze, Detroit did better than that against Green Bay last week.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:03:39am |
re: #77 Girth
Gonna need a Civil War Plan...
Good thing I have a Zombie Plan already in place. Couple of tweaks and replace all mention of 'zombies' with 'rebels' and I should get through the worst of it pretty painlessly.
My Zombie Plan involves my local jail, but I'm afraid the rebels might let me out and expect me to join in.
Of course, given the Contra Costa town in which I currently live, the idea of my neighbors rising up against Obama's government seems vanishingly small. We do have some Republicans, but they tend to be middle-aged, middle-class, and mild-mannered. Also, they don't want to become the majority, because as it is, they can vote without waiting in line.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:04:15am |
Notice the very negative comments. One example
"At best, your sign is unbelievably tasteless; at the worst, it is treasonous. It is certainly unpatriotic and symptomatic of the hatred and contempt you wear on your sleeve for the duly elected president of our great country. Shame on you!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:04:25am |
re: #79 Pepper Fox
Most of the revolutionists are gonna be slow moving fat republicans anyway.
But zombies have been replaced with 'zoombies'. What about the newfangled "Runpublicans"?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:04:30am |
re: #107 rwmofo
Detroit has already scored 16 points?
Oh, they're playing...the Browns.
I'm not getting that game here.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:05:05am |
re: #81 jaunte
Weren't some people in a huge huff about ACORN encouraging tax evasion?
People have been in just a general huge huff about ACORN. Tax evasion?
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:05:18am |
re: #101 rwmofo
The Browns scored 24 points in the 1st quarter?
Oh, they're playing...Detroit.
Go LIONS! It's tough being a Lions fan.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:05:48am |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:05:55am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:06:00am |
re: #116 Idle Drifter
Go LIONS! It's tough being a Lions fan.
Agreed. I'm rooting for Detroit over Cleveland.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:06:21am |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
But zombies have been replaced with 'zoombies'. What about the newfangled "Runpublicans"?
All that join my army get free drafts and chicken wings. Nuff said.
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jaunte Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:06:48am |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
People have been in just a general huge huff about ACORN. Tax evasion?
It was part of a list of complaints about the organization posted at Hot Air, and other places.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:06:57am |
re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, is it still Reagans fault?
IT'S REAGAN'S FAULT!!!
//Mr. Limekiller reports for duty.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:07:16am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
Come over to the Darkside. We have cookies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:07:19am |
re: #102 philosophus invidius
But it's white people that are being oppressed by the Obama-nation, hence they are the ones who shouldn't have to pay taxes.
And that black guy with the M-4! Him too!
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:09:09am |
re: #114 Dark_Falcon
I'm not getting that game here.
Browns/Lions? Not getting that game is like not having the ex sitting on the couch telling me all the things that were wrong with me.
Actually it's not on here either. I was just checking the scores and was a little surprised at all the scoring.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:09:14am |
re: #117 rwmofo
I had season tix. We sucked, but saw...
Brett Farve
Steve Young
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Many more. :)
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SteveC Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:09:22am |
re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist
IT'S REAGAN'S FAULT!!!
//Mr. Limekiller reports for duty.
It was Hoover's fault! We were doing quite nicely until he drove the economy in the ditch back in '29, thank you!
///
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jaunte Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:09:28am |
re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist
Just got my tax bill from the local school district. Such grasping kids, wanting to oppress me for an education.
/
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Pepper Fox Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:09:35am |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
But zombies have been replaced with 'zoombies'. What about the newfangled "Runpublicans"?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:09:55am |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had season tix. We sucked, but saw...
Brett Farve
Steve Young
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Many more. :)
Some true greats there.
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Pepper Fox Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:10:30am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:12:10am |
re: #78 iceweasel
Just found this on youtube from last month: a billboard in MO, also with the 'live free or die' slogan, with a hammer and sickle, saying:
HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR CHANGE NOW?
OBAMA-NATION
THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU, THE TAXPAYER,
1st & 2nd Amendments are in jeopardy.
LIVE FREE OR DIE
[Video]Notice the shoutout to the End Times/anti-gubbmint crazies again, with 'Obama-Nation' (Abomination), just like this billboard with the 'Beast' reference.
I think this video is of the original billboard that this new one replaced. Is that right?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:12:29am |
re: #128 jaunte
Just got my tax bill from the local school district. Such grasping kids, wanting to oppress me for an education.
/
Starve the Rug Rats! Tell 'em to get jobs!
//God bless. The districts really do need the money.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:12:56am |
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:13:04am |
re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, is it still Reagans fault?
Are you intentionally putting words into my mouth just to have someone to argue with or are you honestly misinterpreting what I am trying to say?
Either way that doesn't deserve or need an answer.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:13:23am |
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:13:46am |
re: #116 Idle Drifter
Go LIONS! It's tough being a Lions fan.
I'm from Michigan. I ceased being a fan when Barry Sanders retired, and I did not blame him one bit for what he did. The Lions organization is utterly incapable of putting a good product on the field. I remember about 10 years ago telling all my friends, who didn't want to believe me at the time, that the Lions were screwed for at least 5 years when they signed Charlie Batch to a long-term deal. It pisses me off to no end to watch Matt Millen calling Michigan games talking about what personnel they need to win.
I follow the Lions half-heartedly. The last few years I have referred to the Lions game every Sunday as the Detroit Lions Comedy Show, but I watch more often than not and usually chuckle when they inevitably blow it.
When Mr. Ford gets serious about winning football games, which I won't hold my breath waiting for, then I will call myself a fan again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:14:25am |
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:15:08am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
All that join my army get free drafts and chicken wings. Nuff said.
I pledge allegiance, to the wings...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:15:12am |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Oops, sorry. That's an old video from last year.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:15:13am |
re: #136 ausador
Are you intentionally putting words into my mouth just to have someone to argue with or are you honestly misinterpreting what I am trying to say?
Either way that doesn't deserve or need an answer.
Neither. We have a 2 party system. Don't place blame on one without the other. That's all.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:15:46am |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had season tix. We sucked, but saw...
Brett Farve
Steve Young
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Many more. :)
Exactly. Seeing the stars from the other teams was rewarding in itself. I'll always remember Earl Campbell's introduction (really loud). Payton owned the Bucs back then too. I was on the front row (end zone) of a Bears game in Tampa once and the Honey Bears (cheerleaders) rotated every quarter. They were 10-15' away. Too cool.
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keithgabryelski Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:15:59am |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Obama Billboard Vandalized
[Video]
"Kill the n***"
the swastika is backwards.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:15:59am |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
Klueless, Klumsy Klan
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:16:00am |
re: #131 Pepper Fox
Running zombies are the least of your worries.
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:16:34am |
Stupid and irresponsible. I hope the county committee receives some consequences from the state party.
I wonder how the party for that county is constituted. Is is a largish committee elected from the general population, or is it a small number of people?
This looks like the actions of a small group of nuts who don't really have anyone to oppose them.
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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:16:52am |
re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar
I got beer. Don't come on my property.
Your property? Stop paying rent (taxes) on it and find out who really owns it.
/
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Obdicut Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:17:24am |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Obama Billboard Vandalized
[Video]"Kill the n***"
I really hope that was a bunch of punkass teenage kids.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:18:08am |
re: #149 Obdicut
Is there any other kind in the WS movement?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:19:11am |
re: #143 rwmofo
Exactly. Seeing the stars from the other teams was rewarding in itself. I'll always remember Earl Campbell's introduction (really loud). Payton owned the Bucs back then too. I was on the front row (end zone) of a Bears game in Tampa once and the Honey Bears (cheerleaders) rotated every quarter. They were 10-15' away. Too cool.
I was 33 rows up. South End Zone.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:21:23am |
So there's already a billboard up linking Obama and Fort Hood?
Sinking to a new, cultural low and level of ignorance and stupidity:
A car-lot displaying the message, "President Or Jihad?" is causing a stir in the Denver area of Colorado, and elsewhere.
The billboard says "Prove it, Wake up America! Remember Ft. Hood! " and shows a cartoon President Obama wearing an Islamic-style turban.
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Summer Seale Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:21:52am |
I remember a few years ago when right wing people, including myself, bemoaned the liberal state of this country for failing to prosecute certain others for treason, because of their treasonous conduct during a war against the President of the United States.
Being a consistent sort of girl, I once again bemoan the liberal state of this country for failing to prosecute certain others for treason, because of their treasonous conduct calling for war against the nation and the President of the United States.
They are the hypocrites, not me.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:22:02am |
i'm not into Governments dictating content on television... but... in a Clockwork Orange fashion... force these bone dragging, side winding crokercrockers to watch ALL of Ken Burns "Civil War"... back to back and without sleep and while in a stress position...
it'd prove several points.
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brookly red Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:22:18am |
re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar
Neither. We have a 2 party system. Don't place blame on one without the other. That's all.
The sign in question said vote out incumbents... no party was specified. I guess that counts as bipartisan.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:23:35am |
re: #145 Rightwingconspirator
Klueless, Klumsy Klan
They are that, but they're also murderous. The Klan is one of the worst things ever to arise in the USA. The day their organization is no more will be a very good day.
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:23:48am |
From the comments on Lafayette County's website:
Republicans and other wacko's must have no conception of how polite liberals were in their time in exile.
This is what ticks me off. The people who put up the sign are just handing ammunition to those who would paint all Republicans as nut jobs.
As for the "polite...in their time of exeile point", don't get me started.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:23:53am |
re: #152 iceweasel
So there's already a billboard up linking Obama and Fort Hood?
How do you spell "World Nut Daily?" Oops, I just did.
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:25:20am |
re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar
Neither. We have a 2 party system. Don't place blame on one without the other. That's all.
I voted for reagan twice, I voted for Bush 1 and 2, I voted for McCain.
You are reading bias into my post that isn't there, I did not blame a single party, show me where I did.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:27:16am |
re: #138 Girth
I don't know what it would take to get the Lions whipped into shape as a team from the top on down. It would a one hell of a leader and a core of lieutenants to put this team at the top of its division let alone the league.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:27:46am |
re: #154 wozzablog
i'm not into Governments dictating content on television... but... in a Clockwork Orange fashion... force these bone dragging, side winding crokercrockers to watch ALL of Ken Burns "Civil War"... back to back and without sleep and while in a stress position...
it'd prove several points.
I'm not sure that would work. They'd cheer on General Lee and scream imprecations at the Union. They already have their own "Lost Cause" narrative of the Civil War.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:27:59am |
re: #29 trendsurfer
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
re: #36 ausador
While I hate to say your right--your right.
K
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HappyBenghazi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:33:59am |
So in other words, if you don't like the policies implemented by Congress then start a civil war. I wonder what they'd say if I said that if they had Congress doing what they wanted. I'd probably get called every word in the book. Seriously what a bunch of dumb fools. Civil War would be a tragic event for the nation and they think it will be all glamorous and shit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:35:08am |
re: #159 ausador
BTW, you are about to get wet. My TV keeps showing radar.
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SixDegrees Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:35:21am |
re: #112 Rightwingconspirator
Notice the very negative comments. One example
"At best, your sign is unbelievably tasteless; at the worst, it is treasonous. It is certainly unpatriotic and symptomatic of the hatred and contempt you wear on your sleeve for the duly elected president of our great country. Shame on you!"
Reminiscent of a story related of a member of the Yondotega Club in Detroit. Founded in 1891, it is limited to 150 members, with new members accepted only upon the death of a current member. Almost nothing is known about the club, other than it's prestigious membership and it's lavish weekly dinners. Secrecy is the rule, and extends even to spouses of Yon members:
Wives, harassed by lack of information, have remarked the members were "impossible" in the old days. "They still walk out on anything to keep a date at the Yon", said one wife. "And I must say I grow weary of this silly little custom of toasting deceased members and the President of the United States which takes them out of circulation most of New Year's Day when they hold their open house." A member, who did not wish to be identified said this Yon wife was misinformed. The members do not always toast the nation's President. "In some administrations we merely toast the office of the President of the United States," he explained.
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:35:35am |
re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar
K
And tell me one thing, just one thing that he said that is incorrect. That is what has happened, or did the deficit appear by magic? I agreed that what he said was true because it is, I didn't say that the democrats don't have any blame themselves. I find all this insistance on the constant tit-for-tat "you guys did it too!" stuff to be a hugh waste of time and effort. Why can't we just agree that government as a whole is farked up when it comes to spending and has been for a long time?
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:36:18am |
re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar
BTW, you are about to get wet. My TV keeps showing radar.
Good we need the rain. :)
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Achilles Tang Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:36:37am |
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:40:06am |
Damn zombies... click click...BOOM!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:40:48am |
re: #167 ausador
I agree. We need elected officials to get a fucking clue and realize that it is OUR money. But they won't.
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:42:19am |
re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar
I agree. We need elected officials to get a fucking clue and realize that it is OUR money. But they won't.
Absolutely.
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brookly red Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:43:47am |
re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar
I agree. We need elected officials to get a fucking clue and realize that it is OUR money. But they won't.
they realize it just fine... they don't care & that's the problem. IMO.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:44:16am |
re: #161 Dark_Falcon
thats true... but i'd pay to see the attempt made ;-)
and the shock collars... did i mention the shock collars?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:44:54am |
re: #170 Idle Drifter
Damn zombies... click click...BOOM!
Interesting. The game looks like its set in New Orleans. That actually makes a good deal of sense.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:45:16am |
I don't give a flying fuck what your ideology is: Whether I agree with you entirely or disagree vehemently, as soon as you start calling for "war" and start making noises that sound like agitation for the for-real, no-shit violent overthrow of my country's democratically elected government, you have landed squarely in my "ENEMY" category.
Rant and rave all you want; I will defend to the death your right to blather thusly. But there is dangerous ground upon which you tread at your extreme peril.
Merely tweak a few variables, and this kind of bullshit is EXACTLY the same as the murderous crap spewed by Ayman al-Zawahiri and mullah Mohammed Omar.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:46:04am |
re: #174 wozzablog
thats true... but i'd pay to see the attempt made ;-)
and the shock collars... did i mention the shock collars?
So, each time the Neo-Confederate say "Damn Yankees" they get zapped?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:46:21am |
re: #176 negativ
I don't give a flying fuck what your ideology is: Whether I agree with you entirely or disagree vehemently, as soon as you start calling for "war" and start making noises that sound like agitation for the for-real, no-shit violent overthrow of my country's democratically elected government, you have landed squarely in my "ENEMY" category.
Rant and rave all you want; I will defend to the death your right to blather thusly. But there is dangerous ground upon which you tread at your extreme peril.
Merely tweak a few variables, and this kind of bullshit is EXACTLY the same as the murderous crap spewed by Ayman al-Zawahiri and mullah Mohammed Omar.
Quite Concur!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:47:51am |
re: #176 negativ
I don't give a flying fuck what your ideology is: Whether I agree with you entirely or disagree vehemently, as soon as you start calling for "war" and start making noises that sound like agitation for the for-real, no-shit violent overthrow of my country's democratically elected government, you have landed squarely in my "ENEMY" category.
Rant and rave all you want; I will defend to the death your right to blather thusly. But there is dangerous ground upon which you tread at your extreme peril.
Merely tweak a few variables, and this kind of bullshit is EXACTLY the same as the murderous crap spewed by Ayman al-Zawahiri and mullah Mohammed Omar.
You get a first amendment up ding from me.
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dugmartsch Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:48:56am |
re: #35 Girth
The capitalization of 'Beast' is there as a dog whistle for somebody...
I don't want to live in a country where I can't call the Democratic president the Anti-Christ just because he's black.
Get your PC bullshit out of my face.
/
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Idle Drifter Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:49:52am |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Played the original one with my brother on his 360. I'm a PC gamer and prefer the mouse aim so it was rough at first trying kill anything without the shotguns at first because I'm not use to the Xbox controller. Still it's a fun party game.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:50:47am |
re: #180 dugmartsch
even with your / tag that gets a downding!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:50:56am |
re: #180 dugmartsch
Saw the sarc tag and don't know how to take that comment.
I don't want to live in a country where I can't call the Democratic president the Anti-Christ just because he's black.
Howabout because it's teh dumb.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:56:12am |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Interesting. The game looks like its set in New Orleans. That actually makes a good deal of sense.
It's fantastic, and more advanced, there's a lot more the AI director can do to dynamically switch up levels. And Clutch is on the soundtrack. Valve still kicks ass for miles.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:57:04am |
re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw the sarc tag and don't know how to take that comment.
Howabout because it's teh dumb.
Many here at LGF don't look down on the President, just his policies. He needs a room for us to make decisions. We are smarter then Rahm, and better looking.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:58:19am |
re: #176 negativ
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
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SixDegrees Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:59:19am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:59:40am |
re: #186 wozzablog
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
I am from the south and I call BULLSHIT. Link?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:00:23pm |
re: #186 wozzablog
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Sorry. I won't be able to respond to you from my home in Atlanta has I have a Klan meeting to attend!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:01:20pm |
re: #189 sattv4u2
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Sorry. I won't be able to respond to you from my home in Atlanta has I have a Klan meeting to attend!
/
Don't fergit da beerz.
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:02:39pm |
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:03:01pm |
re: #186 wozzablog
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
*sigh*
I've met people who are surprised, based on where I live, that I own my own shoes and drive on paved roads.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:04:08pm |
re: #186 wozzablog
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
Poor words with that highlighted portion. Words like that make non-racist Southerners feel justifiably insulted. You come across as bigoted. Instead of "Deep South", use "Neo-Confederate" its more descriptive and less general.
Today is too nice to spend it all indoors. I'm going out walking for an hour. BBL
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:04:12pm |
re: #193 Gearhead
*sigh*
I've met people who are surprised, based on where I live, that I own my own shoes and drive on paved roads.
I live on a dirt road.
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dugmartsch Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:04:36pm |
re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw the sarc tag and don't know how to take that comment.
Howabout because it's teh dumb.
I thought it was funny as hell.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:05:10pm |
re: #186 wozzablog
"the deep south mentallity."
While using your broad brush at least you could have spelled it right.
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cliffster Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:05:36pm |
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:07:28pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:07:33pm |
re: #196 dugmartsch
I do that too... I'll make a joke; think it's funny as hell... and am the only one who thinks so.
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dugmartsch Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:08:30pm |
re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I do that too... I'll make a joke; think it's funny as hell... and am the only one who thinks so.
Yeah I hear ya.
But not being able to call the president the anti-christ because he's black is funny.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:08:42pm |
re: #193 Gearhead
*sigh*
I've met people who are surprised, based on where I live, that I own my own shoes and drive on paved roads.
Yeah but you eat grits don't you? :)
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:09:52pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:09:54pm |
re: #186 wozzablog
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Yes, saw that when dave Weigel did a story on it:
Poll: 52 Percent of Republicans Say ACORN Stole the 2008 Election
Among Republicans… only 27% say Obama actually won the race, with 52% — an outright majority — saying that ACORN stole it, and 21% are undecided. Among McCain voters, the breakdown is 31%-49%-20%. By comparison, independents weigh in at 72%-18%-10%, and Democrats are 86%-9%-4%.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:10:39pm |
re: #202 rwmofo
Yeah but you eat grits don't you? :)
I love grits. With poached eggs are actually kinda low fat.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:10:49pm |
re: #193 Gearhead
*sigh*
I've met people who are surprised, based on where I live, that I own my own shoes and drive on paved roads.
Pleased to meetcha. I, conversely, come from the fake America where we don't luuuhhhv our country, serve in the military, have jobs, pay taxes, or drink beer.
//Can you lease shoes?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:11:03pm |
re: #186 wozzablog
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
The first billboard shown up there is in Missouri.
The second one is in Colorado.
The vandalized billboard is in Michigan.
None of which are "deep south" states.
Which leads me to believe that this mentality is not a "deep south" mentality.
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cliffster Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:11:54pm |
re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love grits. With poached eggs are actually kinda low fat.
Grits may be low fat. But the only way grits can be enjoyed is with a vat of butter. The combination is not exactly low-fat...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:12:06pm |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
I live on a dirt road.
So does one of my college friends. Actually, DOWN a dirt road. There's a sort of ordinary dirt road, and then the whole thing plunges down the side of mountain. I first went this route with her and her husband in a Jeep at three in the morning, which was quite the experience.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:12:45pm |
re: #193 Gearhead
*sigh*
I've met people who are surprised, based on where I live, that I own my own shoes and drive on paved roads.
And that you have your teeth.
I live in a similar place.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:12:47pm |
re: #207 reine.de.tout
The first billboard shown up there is in Missouri.
The second one is in Colorado.
The vandalized billboard is in Michigan.None of which are "deep south" states.
Which leads me to believe that this mentality is not a "deep south" mentality.
So, am I still a redneck?
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:13:47pm |
re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love grits. With poached eggs are actually kinda low fat.
I grew up in SC and have had my share. Just gotta add some cheese, butter and tabasco. I'll go low-fat when I eat an apple.
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b_snark Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:13:56pm |
I thought the whole idea of a democracy was that the population gets to vote for their preferred candidate, safe from coercion, and the minority, unable to elect their candidate, implicitly agrees to abide by the decision of the majority until the next election as long as their rights were respected. I assumed (I'm not American) that the Constitution was designed to make sure the majority wasn't able to subvert the political process and a corollary to this was that the minority's rights were thus protected.
Can anyone show me how the rights of the far, far, far right have been threatened to a degree that the agreement has been broken?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:14:13pm |
re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, am I still a redneck?
{cca}
As redneck as I am.
If ya love grits, you're a redneck!
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brookly red Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:14:27pm |
re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist
Pleased to meetcha. I, conversely, come from the fake America where we don't luuuhhhv our country, serve in the military, have jobs, pay taxes, or drink beer.
//Can you lease shoes?
in a bowling alley...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:14:42pm |
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:15:08pm |
re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist
Pleased to meetcha. I, conversely, come from the fake America where we don't luuuhhhv our country, serve in the military, have jobs, pay taxes, or drink beer.
//Can you lease shoes?
If you bowl.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:15:19pm |
re: #198 cliffster
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
Honestly, not sure what the tipping point would be for me--probably the point at which I believed that there really was no recourse to representative democracy, and no living with what was happening.
This, of course, is the basis of my disagreement with these yahoos. Half the stuff they're worked up about isn't happening to begin with.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:15:23pm |
re: #208 cliffster
Grits may be low fat. But the only way grits can be enjoyed is with a vat of butter. The combination is not exactly low-fat...
Butter, and Lawry's seasoning salt.
Or Tony Chachere's creole seasoning.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:16:11pm |
re: #214 reine.de.tout
{cca}
As redneck as I am.
If ya love grits, you're a redneck!
With lemon and butter.
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cliffster Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:16:28pm |
re: #219 reine.de.tout
Butter, and Lawry's seasoning salt.
Or Tony Chachere's creole seasoning.
Tony Chachere's will always earn an upding from me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:16:28pm |
If ACORN was responsible for the absolute ass-kicking that the DEMs gave the GOP, hell... the GOP should hire ACORN.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:16:37pm |
re: #208 cliffster
Grits may be low fat. But the only way grits can be enjoyed is with a vat of butter. The combination is not exactly low-fat...
Grits are a free-will food. You decide personally just how much fat goes into them.
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fizzlogic Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:16:46pm |
re: #213 b_sharp
You'll have to tune in to conservative talk radio and Fox News to find that out. Stay tuned...
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dugmartsch Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:16:53pm |
re: #198 cliffster
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
The problem with revolutions in a Democratic society is that the Democracy would have had to have broken down before Revolution becomes a viable and patriotic option.
That hasn't happened, in fact, more people voted in the last election than in any other American election, ever.
So the first step for revolutionaries isn't not paying your taxes or starving the beast or any of that nonsense. If you were being practical about your revolutionary ambitions the first step is de-legitimizing elections. Once people lose faith in elections, at that point they can start to think about some other course of action.
As long as people are voting, even if they are holding their nose while they do so, they are not ripe for armed revolution.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:17:12pm |
re: #219 reine.de.tout
Who'd a thunk we'd get a grits thread going? Oh wait. I started it.
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:17:39pm |
re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love grits. With poached eggs are actually kinda low fat.
Any way I can get 'em. My wife makes amazing cheese grits.
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William of Orange Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:17:54pm |
I'm not a US citizen. Never been there. And this country seems to get stranger and stranger. It's become quite a challenge what Joe Average thinks. In truth, I don't even know if I'll ever meet a Joe Average. Everyone seems to be pulled to the left or the right... And those who claim to be mainstream are extremes in the eyes of the others.
It's becoming harder to understand the USA.
The above sign sound to me like a deathwish for the president. They won't write that down of course but when you ask the people who put up those vile signs they certainly will state that! You can't agree with everything your president and the government does but this bullying into submission by the far right is becoming more tiresome day after day...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:18:12pm |
re: #227 rwmofo
Who'd a thunk we'd get a grits thread going? Oh wait. I started it.
Butter and pepper. Yum.
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brookly red Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:18:50pm |
re: #227 rwmofo
Who'd a thunk we'd get a grits thread going? Oh wait. I started it.
I once saw a French woman put sweet-n-low on grits... I still have nightmares.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:19:07pm |
Bread update: it looks normal. Smells good. Is cooling. Further experiments with the metric system to follow.
Have a good night folks!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:20:17pm |
re: #229 William of Orange
When the left is in power, the right freaks out. And when the right is in power, the left freaks out. Just stay here. We are rational peeps.
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WindHorse Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:20:50pm |
re: #233 Gearhead
reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw in Galveston... "Screw the shrimps honey, I'm bringing home the crabs"
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fizzlogic Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:24:28pm |
re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar
With fried mullet and greens. And hopefully the grits are rubbery. Mmm, pass the hot sauce.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:25:26pm |
re: #229 William of Orange
I'm not a US citizen. Never been there. And this country seems to get stranger and stranger. It's become quite a challenge what Joe Average thinks. In truth, I don't even know if I'll ever meet a Joe Average. Everyone seems to be pulled to the left or the right... And those who claim to be mainstream are extremes in the eyes of the others.
It's becoming harder to understand the USA.
The above sign sound to me like a deathwish for the president. They won't write that down of course but when you ask the people who put up those vile signs they certainly will state that! You can't agree with everything your president and the government does but this bullying into submission by the far right is becoming more tiresome day after day...
Americans have been disagreeing with each other since the country was formed. It's what life is, here.
The signs and incidents in this post are over the top and just plain wrong; and this from somebody who did NOT vote for Obama.
When the right is in power, similar "bullying" that you see now from the right is perpetrated by the left. It is what it is.
Some of us are able to disagree without asserting that the "other side" belongs in North Korea; others can't. Again, it is what it is, and it's always been that way here.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:25:42pm |
re: #231 brookly red
I once saw a French woman put sweet-n-low on grits... I still have nightmares.
ew!
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:25:56pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:26:25pm |
re: #236 trendsurfer
With fried mullet and greens. And hopefully the grits are rubbery. Mmm, pass the hot sauce.
My moms neighbor smoked some mullet Friday. He uses buttonwood. You can't cut it, but you can pick up what is floating.
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cliffster Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:26:28pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #225 dugmartsch
Great points, both. With a casual think about it, it seems to me that there are two situations that could occur. One is the majority-rules/minority-rights dynamic that stops protecting minorities. The other is just downright government oppression. For the first example, both sides probably have issues that would tip them there (from the right's view - taxation becomes usury, on the left's - legislation of morals). For the second, it would be things like sliding down a slippery slope represented for example by the expanded FISA laws). Neither situation is anywhere near the point of revolution, but even if it were, putting together said revolution would be virtually impossible.
I wouldn't worry about an uprising of Missourians just yet.
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ghazidor Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:27:21pm |
re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, am I still a redneck?
You live in Florida so really redneck is the wrong term, locally we are known as "Florida crackers."
/
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Stanghazi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:27:37pm |
I love my grits, i.e. heart attack in a bowl.
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b_snark Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:28:18pm |
re: #102 philosophus invidius
But it's white people that are being oppressed by the Obama-nation, hence they are the ones who shouldn't have to pay taxes.
Now, this made me laugh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:29:54pm |
re: #242 ausador
You live in Florida so really redneck is the wrong term, locally we are known as "Florida crackers."
/
True. I hate wearing shoes.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:30:11pm |
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:31:00pm |
re: #226 HelloDare
Not only SNL--I was shocked, I tell you, shocked when I saw this last night.
But today, I read Mo Dowd:
If we could see a Reduced Shakespeare summary of Obama’s presidency so far, it would read:
Dither, dither, speech. Foreign trip, bow, reassure. Seminar, summit. Shoot a jump shot with the guys, throw out the first pitch in mom jeans. Compromise, concede, close the deal. Dither, dither, water down, news conference.
It’s time for the president to reinvent this formula and convey a more three-dimensional person.
Palin can be stupefyingly simplistic, but she seems dynamic. Obama is impressively complex but he seems static.
She nurtures her grass roots while he neglects his.
He struggles to transcend identity politics while she wallows in them. As he builds an emotional moat around himself, she exuberantly pushes whatever she has, warts and all — the good looks, the tabloid-perfect family, the Alaska quirkiness, the kids with the weird names.
QUOTING OVER--Weird names like Malia and Sasha--or god forbid BARACK--I guess Obama is the new normal.
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:31:10pm |
re: #241 cliffster
I wouldn't worry about an uprising of Missourians just yet.
Have you seen the Chiefs and the Rams lately?
I'm not worried.
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keithgabryelski Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:31:49pm |
re: #237 reine.de.tout
When the right is in power, similar "bullying" that you see now from the right is perpetrated by the left. It is what it is.
It's hard for me to draw a connection between the left's insanity during George W. Bush's presidency and this insanity.
I'm not saying the left doesn't have its nutters -- but, dayum, 4x increase in presidential threats? guns being brought to presidential evidents by guys with signs that proclaim the benefits of assassination. People fearing their guns are going to be taken away at the same time President Obama signs legislation decreasing the limitations of guns?
This is NEXT LEVEL stuff going on here.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:32:06pm |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
I also HAVE ALWAYS LOVED YOUR NIC!!!
It reminds me of a children's book I once had with illustrations by Maurice Sendak--I think it was Rosie (something), but that's the picture in my head (very cute) when I see your nic, Reine.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:32:37pm |
re: #242 ausador
You live in Florida so really redneck is the wrong term, locally we are known as "Florida crackers."
/
..but like the N word, it may only be said by some to some.
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prairiefire Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:34:00pm |
re: #207 reine.de.tout
Missouri was really torn apart during the Civil war. I would say the "Neo-Confederate" mentality description is very applicable.
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William of Orange Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:34:19pm |
re: #234 Cannadian Club Akbar
When the left is in power, the right freaks out. And when the right is in power, the left freaks out. Just stay here. We are rational peeps.
Winner!
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:34:25pm |
re: #220 Naso Tang
That sounds good...yum. That's the way I eat oatmeal. Very rare, with lemon and butter, or salt, pepper and sometimes...wait for it--sour cream.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:35:03pm |
re: #248 katemaclaren
When I was a liberal, I thought MO was hot. Now, not so much.
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cliffster Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:36:11pm |
hahaha. "For the record, you are not allowed to pay us back in clunkers"
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:37:02pm |
re: #251 keithgabryelski
It's hard for me to draw a connection between the left's insanity during George W. Bush's presidency and this insanity.
I'm not saying the left doesn't have its nutters -- but, dayum, 4x increase in presidential threats? guns being brought to presidential evidents by guys with signs that proclaim the benefits of assassination. People fearing their guns are going to be taken away at the same time President Obama signs legislation decreasing the limitations of guns?
This is NEXT LEVEL stuff going on here.
I don't disagree with you that it's NEXT LEVEL stuff going on, and I absolutely condemn it. When I read some things some former posters are now writing elsewhere, I am completely shocked by what I see, and very thankful for still being here, in a place of sanity.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:37:47pm |
re: #253 Naso Tang
I actually like the term "crackers"--sticks and stones, but CRACKERS--hey, I like it! Crackers are the those things that people pull apart at Christmas where I come from--they have a cap or something that pops and inside there are some cheap goodies (the cheaper the better!)--like a party hat, favor, confetti--stuff. They were next to our plates at Christmas dinner. Sometimes, you can get upscale crackers--with real stuff--like a Patek Phillipe watch--but don't count on it at my house. So, Cracker, eh--pretty on the outside and party fixin's on the inside. I'll take it.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:38:46pm |
re: #259 cliffster
That was my favorite line! I'm gonna steal it! --with a fake Chinese accent!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:38:53pm |
re: #254 prairiefire
Missouri was really torn apart during the Civil war. I would say the "Neo-Confederate" mentality description is very applicable.
He used the term "deep south".
Missouri is not "deep south", no matter how you look at it, imo.
Nor are Colorado or Michigan.
So. . . you can believe these incidents are a result of "deep south" thinking, or not. All I know is that these incidents did not take place in "deep south" states, which leads me to believe this sort of craziness cannot be attributed to the "deep south" alone.
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Sharmuta Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:39:50pm |
The GOP is evil and anyone who ever voted for a republican should be ashamed of themselves for being un-American maggots.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:40:28pm |
re: #261 katemaclaren
IIRC, CRAKER came from the sound of a whip used on cows. Some will say it came from usage on slaves.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:42:09pm |
re: #264 Sharmuta
The GOP is evil and anyone who ever voted for a republican should be ashamed of themselves for being un-American maggots.
And should move to North Korea.
/
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:42:18pm |
re: #264 Sharmuta
The GOP is evil and anyone who ever voted for a republican should be ashamed of themselves for being un-American maggots.
WTF? Are you serious?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:42:45pm |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
Craker= cracker...PIMF
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:43:33pm |
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:43:59pm |
re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have read the NYT for a long time--years and years and years--and it's sad to see its decline. When I lived in Italy, I read the International Herald Tribune (which is published by the Times) and saw so many typos, left out words, stories that jumped to nowhere--downright mistakes--that I became much more attentive to the Times itself. Maureen Dowd, who "went off" Clinton, used to make me smile a bit--but she has been too long at the job. She wouldn't be working there if the Times was what it used to be--now its columnists are just no longer critical thinkers--just critical carpers.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:44:12pm |
re: #252 katemaclaren
I also HAVE ALWAYS LOVED YOUR NIC!!!
It reminds me of a children's book I once had with illustrations by Maurice Sendak--I think it was Rosie (something), but that's the picture in my head (very cute) when I see your nic, Reine.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:44:57pm |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
You're right. It's in Pennsylvania and New Jersey--and that sure ain't south of anything but New Yawk.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:45:50pm |
re: #272 reine.de.tout
CUE MUSIC ...Thaaanks ...for the memories!
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Girth Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:46:22pm |
re: #271 katemaclaren
Dowd has always struck me as a writer who sits at her computer with a thesaurus and thinks that makes her witty.
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cliffster Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:46:29pm |
re: #269 Gearhead
Later y'all. Time for chores.
I'm with you. The sun is out, the air is cool, and the honeydo list is long. Later yall
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:46:45pm |
re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is this your first day?
Apparently at least one of the memos didn't make it to my desk.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:46:50pm |
re: #271 katemaclaren
I was in college and planned on writing for the NYT or Rolling Stone. Glad I quit to get married. Oh, wait, didn't do that either.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:48:37pm |
re: #264 Sharmuta
Hey Sharm...where are the sarc tags!!!???
I'd like to add--
...and should be tarred, feathered and shipped back to Greece, inventors of Democracy.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:50:05pm |
re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar
...well, you would have made a nice living if you didn't have to actually reside in New York--that is until the Gray Lady sinks in the Hudson when the red ink fills her hold.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:51:24pm |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh well, now that's not nice--holding the whip hand.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:53:06pm |
re: #187 SixDegrees
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
re: #189 sattv4u2
100 new millitia groups since the election, more threats to the President than any previous in their first year, SPLC reports, the ADL report, the Homeland Security reports on the rise of far right extremism... scenes of people in floods of tears screaming that "they want their country back"...socialism as "black racism"... barely and unconcealed racism floating through the underbelly of the MSM - and if a cartoon like the dead ape one can make it into the New York post - how much of a stretch is it to believe that attitudes are worse in some areas of the south...?
I have friends in England and Northern US who moved here and there from the Deep South and relayed me - in detail - about some of the attitudes that still hold among elements of the population.
and - i'm not saying everyone in the south is a racist bigot... just that traditionally the Deep South has had more problems with race than the rest of the US... or is that no longer a historical fact, that the Deep South has never had a race problem or problem with Northerners generally?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:57:01pm |
re: #283 wozzablog
I hate Northerners because they don't know how to drive. And don't know where they are going. Get a GPS.
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b_snark Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:58:46pm |
re: #180 dugmartsch
I don't want to live in a country where I can't call the Democratic president the Anti-Christ just because he's black.
Get your PC bullshit out of my face.
/
Is he the anti-christ because he's black, or is his being black incidental? Much as I disagree with your identification of anyone as the anti-christ, if the ethnicity or skin colour of skin is just incidental to your ire then I would respect your opinion for what it is worth. However, if you are calling him the anti-christ because of colour/ethnicity, then I have a big problem with you.
Just as not everyone making negative comments about someone of another color is being racist, the idea that it is in some way PC and only PC (which is a nonsense label used to minimize social concerns), to call someone racist after witnessing him/her apply a negative label to someone of another skin colour, is ignorant.
Although a simple comment isn't enough to determine bigotry, and shamefully, many on the left do believe it is, the context of the comment and/or the history of the speaker is enough to evaluate the comment. In many cases, the people calling Obama the anti-christ (or something equally stupid) are indeed bigots, some just a little and some absolutely raving.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 12:59:42pm |
re: #193 Gearhead
There is so much prejudice towards anyone who lives "down south" among folks where I live, it's amazing.
It reminds me of the tour I took and traveled to Moscow in 2005. I couldn't help but think that Moscow--and all of Russia were GRAY--black and white and grainy GRAY. That the people would be huddled and wearing threadbare GRAY or brown coats. What a shock. Especially when I looked in the glittery shop windows at the prices for designer clothes. Whooah. The men and women were good looking and well dressed for the most part. I felt like a ...a ...a clunker.
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rwmofo Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:00:09pm |
re: #283 wozzablog
"...traditionally the Deep South has had more problems with race than the rest of the US..."
I guess this would be considered the deep south portion of Boston.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:02:06pm |
re: #283 wozzablog
Would be a good thing NOT to judge the Deep South as you are doing now--it isn't fair at all to the vast majority--kind, decent, polite people who live there.
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Irenicum Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:02:06pm |
re: #287 rwmofo
I was still young during that time. Those were ugly days. Racism has as much northern roots as southern.
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b_snark Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:05:18pm |
re: #224 trendsurfer
You'll have to tune in to conservative talk radio and Fox News to find that out. Stay tuned...
Can't. They scare me.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:05:52pm |
re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
Especially drivers in New Jersey! Yikes. No offense fellows, but you need to take a driving course or two.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:07:38pm |
re: #289 Irenicum
Yes. White racism, red racisim, black racism, yellow racism, brown racism. Racism is probably endemic and gene-based--and like any other anti-social tendency, we learn to suppress it, while secretly harboring our sneaking suspicions...
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SixDegrees Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:09:30pm |
re: #283 wozzablog
how much of a stretch is it to believe that attitudes are worse in some areas of the south...?
An enormous and unwarranted one.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:09:48pm |
re: #288 katemaclaren
i will step back.
i apologise for offense caused.
I could have been more artful in my analysis and marriage of current trends with historical ones - but that i link the first Black President with the sudden exspansion and rebirth of the militia movement and huge spikes in White Supremacist activity are not opinions i will row back from.
again, i apologise to all concerned for offending them and withdraw from the conversation.
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katemaclaren Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:11:39pm |
re: #294 wozzablog
Don't be afraid to express your opinions. It's a good thing. Sometimes having one's opinions challenged makes us think more deeply--and that's a good thing, too.
"good thing" courtesy of Martha Stewart
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:16:59pm |
re: #198 cliffster
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
Circumstances that would, to me, justify a FOR-REAL, NO-SHIT revolution would by their very nature preclude the existence of billboards calling for revolution.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:19:12pm |
re: #213 b_sharp
I thought the whole idea of a democracy was that the population gets to vote for their preferred candidate, safe from coercion, and the minority, unable to elect their candidate, implicitly agrees to abide by the decision of the majority until the next election as long as their rights were respected. I assumed (I'm not American) that the Constitution was designed to make sure the majority wasn't able to subvert the political process and a corollary to this was that the minority's rights were thus protected.
Can anyone show me how the rights of the far, far, far right have been threatened to a degree that the agreement has been broken?
There you go, spouting that "rational civility" crap you foreigners are so famous for.
///
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:19:44pm |
re: #283 wozzablog
Not saying the deep south never had problems.
Just pointing out that the signs and incidents portrayed in this post are not in deep-south states.
So . . . perhaps the view that it's a "deep south" mentality is flawed. It seems to be more of a crazy, over-the-top mentality not unique to the south.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:22:17pm |
re: #294 wozzablog
i will step back.
i apologise for offense caused.
I could have been more artful in my analysis and marriage of current trends with historical ones - but that i link the first Black President with the sudden exspansion and rebirth of the militia movement and huge spikes in White Supremacist activity are not opinions i will row back from.
again, i apologise to all concerned for offending them and withdraw from the conversation.
I agree that the first black president and the rebirth of certain movements are tied together.
They are just not necessarily unique to the "deep south" - now or, really, ever.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:29:10pm |
re: #295 katemaclaren
i just didn't see the conversation going anywhere productive.
recently too many people have dug themselves into a hole and kept going around here - it creates more animosity than is needed here and discussions end up as flame outs.
am now going to watch some football and drink some beer.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:43:09pm |
re: #229 William of Orange
I'm not a US citizen. Never been there. And this country seems to get stranger and stranger. It's become quite a challenge what Joe Average thinks. In truth, I don't even know if I'll ever meet a Joe Average. Everyone seems to be pulled to the left or the right... And those who claim to be mainstream are extremes in the eyes of the others.
It's becoming harder to understand the USA.
Here are some generalizations about Americans that might be helpful:
1) Most of the people you see posting here on LGF won't be seen out in the real world marching in circles, carrying signs, and shouting slogans. We generally have more important things to do, even if that more important thing consists solely of sitting on our ass. Ass-sitting is a time-honored American tradition, and we do tend to take it somewhat seriously.
2) Nearly none of us care anything at all about Jay-Z, P-Diddy, Lady Ga Ga, or Miley Cyrus. Pretty much none of us know anything about them or their music, nor can we explain how or why these people came to be considered paragons of American musical artistry. A great many of us who are otherwise not crazy view their success as evidence that we have been invaded by aliens with extremely unsophisticated musical taste.
3) we like to complain on the Internet. We enjoy typing our Opinion Of The Moment into whatever blank input box makes itself available to us. Most of us realize that, ultimately, it's just a bit of entertainment and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
NOTE:
Actual American Crazy Persons are not subject to the above. If you encounter an American who seems like a typical Internet comment writer, but whose eyeballs are counterclockwise-rotating spirals, you should take immediate steps to shun and avoid them.
Otherwise, just be patient. We'll settle down and behave as rationally as we're able after a few minutes.
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Irenicum Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:46:23pm |
re: #292 katemaclaren
I agree with your basic statement. But I would add that each country has historical and cultural distinctives that shape whatever type of racism in existence there. In America's case, anti-black racism has its roots so far back, and its effect was/is so widespread, that it's not quite the same as other anti immigrant sentiments. It's related to be sure. But it's also qualitatively different. So in that sense, not all racisms are the same. And having our first black president has unleashed a torrent of not too subtly repressed racism, as recent posts have attested.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Nov 22, 2009 2:24:53pm |
Real Revolutionaries don't Rent Billboards. That is all. -S-
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tradewind Sun, Nov 22, 2009 2:35:13pm |
re: #299 reine.de.tout
Or even the upper, middle, or lower South.
The majority of the threats to Obama have not originated south of the mason- dixon line.
Thank God and Greyhound.///
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funky chicken Sun, Nov 22, 2009 3:13:58pm |
re: #29 trendsurfer
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
Yep. These same "fiscal conservatives" are the ones screaming "death panels" because grandma might have to wait 2 or 3 years for that government-funded mammogram once she's over 75...and screaming "government get away from my health care" ... um ...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 22, 2009 3:22:21pm |
This Could Be Anywhere, This Could Be Everywhere
| 308 |
kobra_55 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 3:24:30pm |
When I see pictures of billboards like these it leads me to believe that the Secret Service and local police departments must be doing one hell of a job keeping our elected officials safe from these maniacs.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 22, 2009 3:25:23pm |
Cold concrete apartments
Rise up from wet black asphalt
Below them a few carcasses
Of the long gone age of privacy
It takes a scary kind of illness
To design a place like this for pay
Downtown's an endless generic mall
Of video games and fast food chains
One by one the little houses
Are bricked up and condemned
A subtle hint to move
Before the rats move in
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
Those new kids at school seem cool
But dad says not to talk to them
Stick to your old friends
They're not our kind
So now there's lots of fights
So many people I know
Come of age tense and bitter-eyed
Can't create so they just destroy
C'mon!
Let's set someone's dog on fire
Empty plastic
Culture slum suburbia
Is a war zone now
Sprouting the kinds of gangs
We thought we'd left behind
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
Kids at school are taking sides
Along color and uniform lines
My dad's gone and bought a gun
He says he's fed up
With crime in this town
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
Anywhere
Everywhere
I hope I'm gone before it explodes
I linger late at night
Waiting for the bus
No amount of neon jazz
Could hide the oozing vibes of death
My dad's a vigilante now
He's bringing home these weird-ass friends
Like the guy who fires blanks at his TV
When Kojak's on
Or the guy who shows off his submachine gun
To his sixteen-year-old daughter's friends
Whose sense of pride and hope
Is being in the police reserve
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere-Everywhere
(or not, it doesn't matter.)
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funky chicken Sun, Nov 22, 2009 3:29:53pm |
Nice anti-Leiberman ad from the "boldprogressives" up there.
//
Actually, it is nice to see that liberals still have their whack job extremists too.
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Sloppy Sun, Nov 22, 2009 3:49:31pm |
A friend traveling in the South was asked if he wanted grits with his breakfast. Not knowing about grits and not wanting to appear ignorant, he replied, "Yes, I'll try one."
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lostlakehiker Sun, Nov 22, 2009 4:13:42pm |
re: #186 wozzablog
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
It is within the realm of possibility that ACORN stole enough votes to put Franken close enough that extra vote-stealing steps by the Democratic machine in MN could put him over the top.
But the national election? That was a solid Obama win. By the time November came around, the economy was tanking and a Democrat win had become inevitable. ACORN had become irrelevant. Take away whatever cheating they managed, and Obama maybe slips by two electoral votes. Or maybe none at all. ACORN doesn't command legions of phony voters. Just battalions, and not that many of those. On top of that, a good fraction of however many fake voters ACORN can put in play don't vote in swing districts. Most districts are sewed up tight for one party or the other.
How can anything approaching just 5%, let alone 52%, of Republicans believe that ACORN cost them the win? It seems improbable. Do remember, 83.22745% of all statistics are made up and pretend to ridiculous levels of precision.
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 4:21:38pm |
re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Haven't heard much from Tracy Chapman lately. I love her voice. Very gifted songwriter.
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Gearhead Sun, Nov 22, 2009 4:38:00pm |
re: #294 wozzablog
i will step back.
i apologise for offense caused.
I could have been more artful in my analysis and marriage of current trends with historical ones - but that i link the first Black President with the sudden exspansion and rebirth of the militia movement and huge spikes in White Supremacist activity are not opinions i will row back from.
again, i apologise to all concerned for offending them and withdraw from the conversation.
Accepted. I'm not one to hold grudges anyway. I hope you won't withdraw from the other conversations around here.
And I do think there's merit to the point you make above.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Nov 22, 2009 4:39:18pm |
re: #312 lostlakehiker
you have no idea how much i would love to tell you that i had made it up.
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idioma Sun, Nov 22, 2009 4:40:42pm |
Don't worry guys, I used to do the same thing before I was put on medication.
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Lidane Sun, Nov 22, 2009 5:21:27pm |
re: #147 Gearhead
Stupid and irresponsible. I hope the county committee receives some consequences from the state party.
Personally, I'd like to see it go farther, with the national GOP making it clear that despite any policy disagreements they have with President Obama, billboards like these are unacceptable and should be condemned no matter the source. If that first sign was put up by part of the Missouri state GOP, then threaten to withhold national funds until a formal apology is issued and the sign taken down, or something.
I know that I pushed back against the "Bush=Hitler" memes that went around my fellow liberals for eight years, and I didn't even like the guy. I had many screaming matches and flame wars over that idiocy because I thought it was out of line. I can guess that many of the more sane Republicans feel much the same way when they see signs like these directed at Obama, no matter how they may feel about his presidency so far.
I'd like to think that there are reasonable people on both sides that can come to some sort of agreement. Fringe nonsense like this just adds nothing to the discussion and poisons the political environment, which is counterproductive. There are real issues to debate and real problems to solve. Yammering about revolution or birth certificates? Not helping. =P
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nickzi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 5:41:47pm |
For what it's worth, I'd point out that although the South has acquired an unpleasant reputation for being racist and backward in certain areas, it's only fair to remember that Chicago under Daley produced some of the nastier moments of white racism when MLK went there, and had some of the most deliberately segregated areas, despite federal directives ordering integration. Equally, some of the vilest parts of the militia movement have been in Michigan and Oregon. That said, it is fair comment that the GOP, which has generally refused to condemn such extremists, is now concentrated in the South, and seems increasingly to be dictated to by Southern activists of various stripes. It's not completely surprising that people now associate extremism with the South, even though the actual picture is rather more complicated. For me, the saddest aspect of GOP dominance of the South is that it has done the South very little good. Look at which states have the poorest records on health, education, and poverty. You'll find that the South consistently has the worst performers in these areas - Alabama and Mississippi come to mind.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 22, 2009 7:17:40pm |
the republican party has been a convenient bastion and smokescreen for racists for decades. it's finally starting to really show. it must be destroyed.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 22, 2009 7:19:53pm |
re: #319 SpaceJesus
the republican party has been a convenient bastion and smokescreen for racists for decades. it's finally starting to really show. it must be destroyed.
Are you losing ground in the ding plummet?
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Petero1818 Sun, Nov 22, 2009 7:58:15pm |
I have to say that its signs like this that make me glad I am Canadian. Don't get me wrong, most days I wish Canada were more like the US (well at least the 2 coasts of the US) but crap like this just makes me shake my head. Good luck with these guys.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 22, 2009 9:15:32pm |
re: #318 nickzi
For what it's worth, I'd point out that although the South has acquired an unpleasant reputation for being racist and backward in certain areas, it's only fair to remember that Chicago under Daley produced some of the nastier moments of white racism when MLK went there, and had some of the most deliberately segregated areas, despite federal directives ordering integration. Equally, some of the vilest parts of the militia movement have been in Michigan and Oregon. That said, it is fair comment that the GOP, which has generally refused to condemn such extremists, is now concentrated in the South, and seems increasingly to be dictated to by Southern activists of various stripes. It's not completely surprising that people now associate extremism with the South, even though the actual picture is rather more complicated. For me, the saddest aspect of GOP dominance of the South is that it has done the South very little good. Look at which states have the poorest records on health, education, and poverty. You'll find that the South consistently has the worst performers in these areas - Alabama and Mississippi come to mind.
I can't disagree with anything you've said.
The only point I've tried to make is this . . . in a post where the incidents described occurred in Missouri, Colorado and Michigan - for someone to come in and make a comment about the "deep south" mentality of the folks behind the incidents is just - ludicrous.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Nov 22, 2009 9:57:56pm |
re: #319 SpaceJesus
the republican party has been a convenient bastion and smokescreen for racists for decades. it's finally starting to really show. it must be destroyed.
At the rate the GOP is going, it will likely eat itself alive while is slowly starves to death. This will take some time, but the loonier it becomes, the more people will splinter away. In the meantime, do your best to help propel its destruction. A gesture of humanitarian aid, if you will.
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nickzi Mon, Nov 23, 2009 12:11:57am |
I basically agree with you, although given that Senator Voinovich (a Republican) also blamed the GOP's problems on the south, I can't say that it's just liberals who see the south as being to blame. Nor can we deny that the south has produced some very unpleasant groups and individuals. Overall, I think it's past time that as a society we stopped classing things as simplistically liberal/conservative, southern/northern etc, and simply asked: does a given policy convey tangible benefits to the American people, and is it compatible with being a good citizen?
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