Lord have mercy!

No, really it's easy:

President Bachman (of the book club)
Dobbs for 2012! (Going to head up the HOA in 2012)

See, it's just a matter of what comes next.

Oy Vey. It isn't even 2010.

*Shudder* It almost makes me nostalgic for Nixon.

Robot Nixon/Zombie Reagan in '12!

Dealer, new deck please.

re: #5 Pepper Fox

Robot Nixon/Zombie Reagan in '12!

Make that Robot Goldwater instead of Nixon and you have a deal.

Sorry to abuse the tolerance of our host with an OT so early, but it seems I always post my best stuff right before a new thread appears.

So, begging the pardon of the Lizard Senate, I present my latest book review: Burton's Pilgrimage to Meccah.

You know these choices are scary when Huckabee is the most normal of the lot.

I'll take going down in flames with one of these tickets in 2012 if the GOP can just run some sane candidates in the congressional races and pick up a few seats in 2010.

re: #9 Gus 802

You know these choices are scary when Huckabee is the most normal of the lot.

Huckabee is perfectly normal. A perfectly normal, funny, goodhearted, evangelical preacher. It's only as a politician that he's even slightly unnerving.

Of course, as a politician he's hair-raising, but still...

re: #9 Gus 802

You know these choices are scary when Huckabee is the most normal of the lot.

I think it almost dosn't matter, the election will be about more Obama- yes or no?

I keep seeing these kinds of pairings lately. I can't figure out if they are from the comedy channel or some GOP back room filled with cigar smoke.

I'm thinking Ed Sullivan would have made a fine Sec of State

I would really love for Obama to do a course correction and get things headed in the RIGHT direction, so we don't need to choose between one of these airheads.

re: #13 Naso Tang

I keep seeing these kinds of pairings lately. I can't figure out if they are from the comedy channel or some GOP back room filled with cigar smoke.

I'm not sure those are cigars they're smoking.

re: #8 Cato the Elder

Sorry to abuse the tolerance of our host with an OT so early, but it seems I always post my best stuff right before a new thread appears.

So, begging the pardon of the Lizard Senate, I present my latest book review: Burton's Pilgrimage to Meccah.

indeed, you got burned on that one...excellent post imo

Someone once said that we get the political leaders that we deserve. Man, I don't know what we did to deserve those possibilities - but for what it's worth if an apology works - I'm really, really sorry for whatever we did. OK?

I’m having a hard time shuffling these cards to look good.

Know when to hold them, know when to fold them...

re: #12 brookly red

I think it almost dosn't matter, the election will be about more Obama- yes or no?

Parties do tend to run their more 'oh, hell no' candidates against a strong incumbent--running Dobbs/Palin, for example, would pretty much be a statement that Obama was going a second term.

OT, but worth it:

Shirt I just saw in the grocery store on a kid about 9-10:

"Jenny McCarthy couldn't cure me."

Ouch.

Crescent Earth from the Departing Rosetta Spacecraft

Ooooh!

re: #15 Racer X

I would really love for Obama to do a course correction and get things headed in the RIGHT direction, so we don't need to choose between one of these airheads.

somebody has to run for the GOP...it's gonna happen

re: #21 EmmmieG

OT, but worth it:

Shirt I just saw in the grocery store on a kid about 9-10:

"Jenny McCarthy couldn't cure me."

Ouch.

OT - email your way, need a question answered quickly if you can.

re: #12 brookly red

I think it almost dosn't matter, the election will be about more Obama- yes or no?

I think it matters. We're 3 years out for one. Another thing is to not underestimate the Democratic party numbers even with 3 years to go. If it's a matter of yes or no then they'll still have to convince the independents and the youth voters to pull the lever against Obama. I find that highly unlikely with this lineup. Excepty as I mentioned with someone like Huckabee who is more less "standard issue" GOP.

re: #16 Sharmuta

I'm not sure those are cigars they're smoking.

they explode!...GOP! party of the Fart Cushion!

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Parties do tend to run their more 'oh, hell no' candidates against a strong incumbent--running Dobbs/Palin, for example, would pretty much be a statement that Obama was going a second term.

And that is why it's not going to happen... the candidate will be someone who is not even on the radar now.

re: #23 albusteve

somebody has to run for the GOP...it's gonna happen

Yeah.

But if Obama keeps stepping on his duck, these other knuckleheads will gain momentum. That means we could very well go from bad to holyshitwhatwerewethinking?

re: #28 Racer X

Yeah.

But if Obama keeps stepping on his duck, these other knuckleheads will gain momentum. That means we could very well go from bad to holyshitwhatwerewethinking?

There's a duck in the White House?

re: #27 brookly red

And that is why it's not going to happen... the candidate will be someone who is not even on the radar now.

McCotter, Cantor, Pawlenty, or maybe even McDonnell the new VA governor. No telling really.

re: #22 Racer X

S-W-EEE-T!

The thought just made me throw up in my mouth a little.
If we run with any thing remotely like this then the Dems could run a Turd and a Doush and be guaranteed another victory. Seriously, I won't even vote. Conservatives need to get their act together. This is getting embarrassing.

re: #29 MandyManners

There's a duck in the White House?

Don't worry, it's just a lobbyist for AFLAC.

palin/coulter

palin/bachman

palin/perry

That means we could very well go from bad to holyshitwhatwerewethinking?

already there...

re: #25 Gus 802

I think it matters. We're 3 years out for one. Another thing is to not underestimate the Democratic party numbers even with 3 years to go. If it's a matter of yes or no then they'll still have to convince the independents and the youth voters to pull the lever against Obama. I find that highly unlikely with this lineup. Excepty as I mentioned with someone like Huckabee who is more less "standard issue" GOP.

yes 3 years out... why would you give your opponent 3 years to attack your candidate? The GOP will run someone we have never heard of.

re: #5 Pepper Fox

Robot Nixon/Zombie Reagan in '12!

Rob Zombie/Mojo Nixon 2012!

re: #28 Racer X

Yeah.

But if Obama keeps stepping on his duck, these other knuckleheads will gain momentum. That means we could very well go from bad to holyshitwhatwerewethinking?

my exact question for several months...what if? and who the hell will vote for them?...we very well could end up with another lunatic in the WH, just a different color, shape and form

It's the GOP's new take on a 7% solution.

re: #36 brookly red

yes 3 years out... why would you give your opponent 3 years to attack your candidate? The GOP will run someone we have never heard of.

I agree.

re: #32 AMER1CAN

The thought just made me throw up in my mouth a little.
If we run with any thing remotely like this then the Dems could run a Turd and a Doush and be guaranteed another victory. Seriously, I won't even vote. Conservatives need to get their act together. This is getting embarrassing.

If it's any comfort, I seriously doubt that any of those folks are going to be picks. For one thing, most of them have ticked off the GOP leadership, for another, they're absolute poison on a ticket.

Dobbs will go down like Fred Thompson.

Hoekstra!...(who?)

Gotta watch, you may see a NY-23 type scenario on the national stage.

re: #27 brookly red

And that is why it's not going to happen... the candidate will be someone who is not even on the radar now.

Hmmm. Charles/Sharmuta?

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't worry, it's just a lobbyist for AFLAC.

Gecko's pissed off.

re: #45 Naso Tang

I didn't realize you'd punish me with a job like that. Why do you hate me? ///

re: #42 philosophus invidius

Dobbs will go down like Fred Thompson.

don't have to be so explicit...c'mon

re: #34 wozzablog

palin/coulter

palin/bachman

palin/perry

"We should run Jesse Jackson!"

"We'd alienate half the country."

"OK, Jesse Helms!"

"We'd alienate the other half."

"Let's alienate everyone! Jesse/Jesse in 84!"

//Bloom County

I have one

Kerry // Edwards !!

oh ,, wait ,,,

re: #8 Cato the Elder

Sorry to abuse the tolerance of our host with an OT so early, but it seems I always post my best stuff right before a new thread appears.

So, begging the pardon of the Lizard Senate, I present my latest book review: Burton's Pilgrimage to Meccah.

You really want a Sir Richard Burton conversation?

About a week a week ago, RonPaul.com had a poll asking who his running mate should be in 2012. Here are the hilarious/disturbing results:

If Ron Paul runs for President in 2012, who should be his running mate?

Chuck Baldwin (29%, 2,715 Votes)
Andrew Napolitano (27%, 2,589 Votes)
Peter Schiff (21%, 1,984 Votes)
Jesse Ventura (15%, 1,369 Votes)
Rand Paul (12%, 1,135 Votes)
Lew Rockwell (12%, 1,133 Votes)
Sarah Palin (12%, 1,089 Votes)
Dennis Kucinich (9%, 819 Votes)
Michele Bachmann (8%, 785 Votes)
Pat Buchanan (7%, 690 Votes)
Glenn Beck (7%, 636 Votes)
Mike Huckabee (6%, 605 Votes)
Gary Johnson (5%, 471 Votes)
Jim DeMint (4%, 423 Votes)
Lou Dobbs (4%, 414 Votes)
Alex Jones (4%, 411 Votes)
Other (specify below) (4%, 410 Votes)
Mitt Romney (4%, 366 Votes)
Michael Badnarik (4%, 365 Votes)
Adam Kokesh (3%, 301 Votes)
Alan Grayson (3%, 265 Votes)
Wayne Allyn Root (2%, 198 Votes)
Michael Bloomberg (2%, 178 Votes)
Cynthia McKinney (2%, 167 Votes)
Mark Sanford (1%, 132 Votes)
Chuck Hagel (1%, 127 Votes)
John McCain (1%, 104 Votes)
Mel Watt (0%, 7 Votes)

Don't miss Kucinich, Grayson and McKinney in there :P.

re: #50 sattv4u2

I have one

Kerry // Edwards !!

oh ,, wait ,,,

Yeah . . . 'rice ass' and 'dropped pants'

I'm for Romney/Giuliani, but that ain't gonna happen.

re: #52 simoom

About a week a week ago, RonPaul.com had a poll asking who his running mate should be in 2012. Here are the hilarious/disturbing results:

Don't miss Kucinich, Grayson and McKinney in there :P.

Chuck Baldwin? What the...

re: #45 Naso Tang

If Stinky gets to be SoD, we may have a deal.

Totally off-topic:

Damn, Sheriff Joe is an ass: Woman forced to birth while shackled

I’m having a hard time shuffling these cards to look good.

Well that points to Whig, by then maybe they MWP will have a candidate.

Watch the GOP pull a page out of the Palin playbook. Come up with a no-name candidate 5 weeks before the election so the media does not have time to destroy them.

Fail.

re: #10 Bloodnok

they need to take lessons from the Democrats.

run to the center where you need to, the right where you need to and the left where you need to.

Get candidates who will gather round some basic principals and let each of them have their own area they disagree without pissing on the party platform.

The Democrats ran pro gun and pro life candidates in the South and Mid-West last time out who were palatable socially to their electors - but who also stood for wider democratic values.

I like Lindsey Graham more and more these days. He has a very reasonable position on AGW.

re: #54 Alouette

I'm for Romney/Giuliani, but that ain't gonna happen.

Giuliani doesn't add much to the ticket. He hasn't held a national office ever, and hasn't held any office for a long while. He won't be enough to carry NY, or even make it competitive. And after his dismal 08 performance, he probably can't even generate that much money.

re: #57 obdicut

Totally off-topic:

Damn, Sheriff Joe is an ass: Woman forced to birth while shackled

I'll assume that's been duly noted by the Good Lord's secretarial staff.

Feh.

re: #57 obdicut

Totally off-topic:

Damn, Sheriff Joe is an ass: Woman forced to birth while shackled

From your link

But if reported accurately

Any independent verification on this?

It's ridiculous to lump Sarah Palin (John McCain's chosen successor as leader of the Party of Lincoln) in with ex-drug addict radio Djs, fired CNN anchors, and someone who thinks the gov't was behind 9/11. not only is it ridiculous, it also kinda hints at desperation. 'palin left a book signing early!' 'palin mistakenly said Iraq instead of Iran!' 'palin thinks god might be behind evolution!'

it's really kind of sad to see a blog that did, and does, such a good job of pointing out the banality of BDS and ODS become infected with such a transparent, and severe, case of PDS.

Ambinder via Sully:

It's taken about a year, but thanks to new Census numbers and to Project Vote, we now have the most accurate picture of who voted, who didn't vote, and how the voting patterns compare to previous elections. The highlights: 64% of the 204 million voting-age Americans voted, up about 6 million in number and 4 percentage points from 2004. Historically underrepresented groups made gains in this election. Non-whites made up more than 90% of the increase in the total number of voters. The authors conclude that had non-whites voted at the same percentage as whites, more than 5 million more votes would have been cast in 2008. The study, by Douglas Hess and Jody Herman, finds that had voters under 30 voted at the same rates as their counterparts over 30, more than 7 million additional ballots would have been cast.

No wonder Republicans worry about a Democratic demographic storm.

re: #62 EastSider

Giuliani doesn't add much to the ticket. He hasn't held a national office ever, and hasn't held any office for a long while. He won't be enough to carry NY, or even make it competitive. And after his dismal 08 performance, he probably can't even generate that much money.

aside from the fact he'd make a hell of a president

Curious to see what the LGF community thinks of this Best Buy ad running that includes a Happy Eid day on it. Notice it doesn't even say Happy Thanksgiving. I know it's ticky tacky, but what do you think, considering the Fort Hood tragedy that's still fresh and just all the stuff with "Merry Christmas" being cut for the politically correct "Happy Holidays." But happy Eid day is okay? Something doesn't seem right about this. Thoughts?

A storm is brewing at Best Buy

re: #57 obdicut

Totally off-topic:

Damn, Sheriff Joe is an ass: Woman forced to birth while shackled

I like Joe. I don't like this.

3 years ago who had heard of Obama?

re: #59 Racer X

Watch the GOP pull a page out of the Palin playbook. Come up with a no-name candidate 5 weeks before the election so the media does not have time to destroy them.

Fail.

Works better if they actually have some works to defend themselves with, as opposed to nothing but rock-solid faith.

re: #47 Sharmuta

I didn't realize you'd punish me with a job like that. Why do you hate me? ///

Somebody has to do it; but we will all be right behind you. Even buy your book.

re: #70 brookly red

3 years ago who had heard of Obama?

Rezko, Wright and Ayres...check out those guys

re: #50 sattv4u2

flawed candidates - but not radical clinically insane candidates.

There are many able and unknown people out there.

It is the known ones, and the media which either illuminates or keeps people in darkness for the most stupid and venal of reasons, which gives us a feeling of hopelessness.

BBL

Scout meeting

re: #70 brookly red

3 years ago who had heard of Obama?

Everybody. He came on to the national state in '04.

re: #70 brookly red

me

re: #65 rollwave87

It's ridiculous to lump Sarah Palin (John McCain's chosen successor as leader of the Party of Lincoln) in with ex-drug addict radio Djs, fired CNN anchors, and someone who thinks the gov't was behind 9/11. not only is it ridiculous, it also kinda hints at desperation. 'palin left a book signing early!' 'palin mistakenly said Iraq instead of Iran!' 'palin thinks god might be behind evolution!'

it's really kind of sad to see a blog that did, and does, such a good job of pointing out the banality of BDS and ODS become infected with such a transparent, and severe, case of PDS.

Can you list any strong reason Palin should be on the GOP ticket, beside the fact that John McCain took her on when he was told Lieberman was a no-go, and that she's never been fired from CNN?

re: #72 Naso Tang

Somebody has to do it; but we will all be right behind you. Even buy your book.

"Going Blue"?

re: #74 wozzablog

flawed candidates - but not radical clinically insane candidates.

And Palin is "clinically insane"?

re: #45 Naso Tang

Hmmm. Charles/Sharmuta?

No. We need Charles here.

Sharmuta/Mandy

re: #56 brookly red

If Stinky gets to be SoD, we may have a deal.

Stinky is SoD and AG and Homeland whatever. Programs are meant to multi task are they not?

Things are looking pretty dismal for the Republicans these day. Not many signs of things getting better anytime soon.

re: #80 sattv4u2

And Palin is "clinically insane"?

PDS is strong

re: #76 recusancy

Everybody. He came on to the national state in '04.

Only those who paid attention to the DNC convention heard of a junior senator from Illinois.

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. We need Charles here.

Sharmuta/Mandy

Could you imagine Mandy in the Senate with the gavel? God help John Kerry.

Pelosi/Reid
Biden/McKinney

re: #84 albusteve

PDS is strong

bing
O

re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. We need Charles here.

Sharmuta/Mandy

Sugar and spice?

re: #51 Alouette

You really want a Sir Richard Burton conversation?

I think we've already had one on the last thread. I see nothing that either of us needs to expand upon. And I am not trying to antagonize you.

re: #68 AMER1CAN

Curious to see what the LGF community thinks of this Best Buy ad running that includes a Happy Eid day on it. Notice it doesn't even say Happy Thanksgiving. I know it's ticky tacky, but what do you think, considering the Fort Hood tragedy that's still fresh and just all the stuff with "Merry Christmas" being cut for the politically correct "Happy Holidays." But happy Eid day is okay? Something doesn't seem right about this. Thoughts?

A storm is brewing at Best Buy

I think that it's still Eid, despite the terrible events at Fort Hood.

I also don't GIVE a damn whether stores say "Christmas", or "Holidays", or whatever the hell.

I also think that stores make these decision based on what they think will pull customers.

That's what I think.

re: #80 sattv4u2

And Palin is "clinically insane"?

There's a fine line between severe stupidity and clinical insanity.

re: #80 sattv4u2

"clinically insane" as a choice of National Candidate - not a comment on mental state.

notice you didn't defend Bachman, Coulter or Perry ;-)

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Things are looking pretty dismal for the Republicans these day. Not many signs of things getting better anytime soon.

whoops!...I thought you were joking on the donks!, of course they are cruising in the fast lane...hahaha!

re: #90 Cato the Elder

I think we've already had one on the last thread. I see nothing that either of us needs to expand upon. And I am not trying to antagonize you.

Did I miss a seance?

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Things are looking pretty dismal for the Republicans these day. Not many signs of things getting better anytime soon.

Looks like the party will totally self destruct even before the 2010 elections. We'll be better off with a one party system anyway. The progressives will fix everything.

re: #76 recusancy

Everybody. He came on to the national state in '04.

yeah, but the average voter doesn't pay attention till the the campaign... and then not even so much.

re: #65 rollwave87

It's ridiculous to lump Sarah Palin (John McCain's chosen successor as leader of the Party of Lincoln) in with ex-drug addict radio Djs...

It's not me lumping Sarah Palin in with Glenn Beck. It's Newsmax. Links are there for a reason.

it's really kind of sad to see a blog that did, and does, such a good job of pointing out the banality of BDS and ODS become infected with such a transparent, and severe, case of PDS.

It's so sad, I'll bet you have a little tear in your eye right now.

re: #84 albusteve

re: #80 sattv4u2

see 93

re: #68 AMER1CAN

Curious to see what the LGF community thinks of this Best Buy ad running that includes a Happy Eid day on it. Notice it doesn't even say Happy Thanksgiving. I know it's ticky tacky, but what do you think, considering the Fort Hood tragedy that's still fresh and just all the stuff with "Merry Christmas" being cut for the politically correct "Happy Holidays." But happy Eid day is okay? Something doesn't seem right about this. Thoughts?

A storm is brewing at Best Buy

Nontroversy.

Looks like a local ad.

re: #93 wozzablog

"clinically insane" as a choice of National Candidate - not a comment on mental state.

notice you didn't defend Bachman, Coulter or Perry ;-)

Well then , here I go
Bachman, Coulter or Perry are clinically insane?

( and nice try at a dodge, btw re: "as a choice ,,, )

((didn't work, however)))

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that it's still Eid, despite the terrible events at Fort Hood.

I also don't GIVE a damn whether stores say "Christmas", or "Holidays", or whatever the hell.

I also think that stores make these decision based on what they think will pull customers.

That's what I think.

I want to see all the PETA activists, dressed up in sheep suits, protesting the Eid sacrifices, where the Muslims slaughter all those animals. If they can protest Jews making "kapporos" with chickens, and Christians eating Easter ham by showing a pig on a cross, they can protest Eid.

But they won't.

re: #80 sattv4u2

And Palin is "clinically insane"?

Probably not, although the popular term 'narcissism' does spring to mind. However, I'm not sure that's particularly unusual among politicians.

re: #95 Naso Tang

Did I miss a seance?

Merely a new revival of an old debate. Can someone who was culturally and also avowedly anti-Semitic (as Burton indisputably was) be read for his other qualities, or must he be dismissed for sharing the common prejudices of his age?

re: #85 MandyManners

Only those who paid attention to the DNC convention heard of a junior senator from Illinois.

True, but he did make a splash in the Democratic world at that point. I remember people chattering about the speech.

re: #92 Killgore Trout

There's a fine line between severe stupidity and clinical insanity.

Actually, theres not. But nice try to lump the two together

I will go out on a limb and say that the most likely GOP ticket will be ...

drum roll..

NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Everyone remember that 2 years ago, the conventional wisdom was that we'd be talking about President Hillary R. Clinton. Yeah, that worked out real well. Heck, then Senator Barack H. Obama was newly minted in the US Senate after his GOP opponent had himself a sex scandal; and Obama when asked whether he'd run for office said that he was unprepared for the job.

Yeah, two years is a long time; and we're still looking at 3 years to go.

A whole lot can and will change between now and then. Maybe the GOP realizes the crazy wing fo the party isn't the way to go. Maybe regaining most of the seats in the House and Senate lost in the past two cycles will help the GOP leadership actually learn what to do with the leadership.

Oh wait. Never mind.

Go Paul/Palin 12! ///

re: #101 sattv4u2

not a dodge, a clarification of intention.

re: #99 wozzablog

see 101

re: #68 AMER1CAN

Curious to see what the LGF community thinks of this Best Buy ad running that includes a Happy Eid day on it. Notice it doesn't even say Happy Thanksgiving. I know it's ticky tacky, but what do you think, considering the Fort Hood tragedy that's still fresh and just all the stuff with "Merry Christmas" being cut for the politically correct "Happy Holidays." But happy Eid day is okay? Something doesn't seem right about this. Thoughts?

A storm is brewing at Best Buy

I live down the block from a mosque in Brooklyn. At the end of Ramadan (believe that was the Eid they're referring to) there were ~1,000 people outside on a Sunday morning praying. Following that there was some serious feasting/partying.

If I'm best buy, and I can sell a few extra DVDs by throwing "happy Eid" into a commercial, I'm doing it.

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

Looks like the party will totally self destruct even before the 2010 elections. We'll be better off with a one party system anyway. The progressives will fix everything.

drool...I'm weddy fo wit

re: #104 Cato the Elder

Merely a new revival of an old debate. Can someone who was culturally and also avowedly anti-Semitic (as Burton indisputably was) be read for his other qualities, or must he be dismissed for sharing the common prejudices of his age?

Well, I enjoy Wagner's music. The problem is when the anti-Semitism is ferociously blatant in Burton's writings, like his "Human Sacrifice Among the Sephardine Jews."

re: #108 wozzablog

not a dodge, a clarification of intention.

How do the kids say it ... oh, yes

MMMkkkaaayyy!

re: #100 Gus 802

Nontroversy.

Looks like a local ad.

Correction.

OK, not a local ad. Maybe it's targeted for cities.

[Link: bestbuy.shoplocal.com...]

Honestly, I don't care.

re: #102 Alouette

I want to see all the PETA activists, dressed up in sheep suits, protesting the Eid sacrifices, where the Muslims slaughter all those animals. If they can protest Jews making "kapporos" with chickens, and Christians eating Easter ham by showing a pig on a cross, they can protest Eid.

But they won't.

Sure, they won't. PETA are abject cowards, we all know it.

But I don't want to see them protesting Eid, I want them to shut up about the other holidays, and do something useful for once.

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks for chiming in with a thought out response. I agree. It just seems odd that there has been a very concentrated effort on the part of marketers to make sure they don't use religious phrases, but then feel comfortable wishing happy Eid in their ad. Seems a bit hypocritical, IMHO.

re: #98 Charles

It's so sad, I'll bet you have a little tear in your eye right now.

nope, not at all. as much respect as I might have for LGF, I'm pretty darn positive Gov. Palin will do just fine without it's support.

re: #102 Alouette

I want to see all the PETA activists, dressed up in sheep suits, protesting the Eid sacrifices, where the Muslims slaughter all those animals. If they can protest Jews making "kapporos" with chickens, and Christians eating Easter ham by showing a pig on a cross, they can protest Eid.

But they won't.

Oh, how I agree with that.

The NYT just had an op-ed by an "ethical vegan" (as opposed to the unethical type) wherein he opines that it is wrong even to shear sheep for their wool.

But he keeps a cat prisoner for his enjoyment.

Free the pet cats! Let them loose in the city/country to have fun with cars/coyotes!

re: #107 lawhawk

Correct
June 1997, 6 months after Clinton slaughtered Dole, name me one person (besides Carl Rover, MAYBE) that would have told you for certainty that George Bush would be the leader of the Repubs and be elected in 2000
June 2001, after Bush beat Gore, tell me one person who would have told you John Kerry would have been the 'rudder" of the Dems come 2004
June 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
I could go back even further. The "losers" in the race for the White House are ALWAYS "rudderless and leaderless" for at LEAST 2 1/2 years after that election. ALWAYS

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, they won't. PETA are abject cowards, we all know it.

But I don't want to see them protesting Eid, I want them to shut up about the other holidays, and do something useful for once.

They won't even find loving homes for cute little puppies and kittens that are left in their care.

re: #112 Alouette

Well, I enjoy Wagner's music. The problem is when the anti-Semitism is ferociously blatant in Burton's writings, like his "Human Sacrifice Among the Sephardine Jews."

Which was not the book I reviewed, and I have no desire either to read or defend it. Shalom?!

on second thoughts - i will question the connection to reality embraced by Bachman and Coulter ;-)

I think the GOP needs to chew off its own limb to save the rest of the body.

re: #121 Cato the Elder

Which was not the book I reviewed, and I have no desire either to read or defend it. Shalom?!

So you agree that this is one of the manuscripts that should have been destroyed.

re: #117 rollwave87

nope, not at all. as much respect as I might have for LGF, I'm pretty darn positive Gov. Palin will do just fine without it's support.

Cool! So everybody's happy. I like it when we can go from sad to happy in just a few comments.

re: #122 wozzablog

on second thoughts - i will question the connection to reality embraced by Bachman and Coulter ;-)

they are pundits...embrace BOs reality and all will be well...just close your eyes and click your heels Do

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that it's still Eid, despite the terrible events at Fort Hood.

I also don't GIVE a damn whether stores say "Christmas", or "Holidays", or whatever the hell.

I also think that stores make these decision based on what they think will pull customers.

That's what I think.

While I agree with you in general, particularly if advertising in a particular ethnic area; I must also say that I do think this is stupid if national and right now and if I was the CEO of best Buy I would be asking my advertising manager to consider relocating to the new store in Riyadh.

re: #117 rollwave87

C'mon.

Sarah Palin has been a HUGE disappointment to all of us. And she keeps on giving.

That being said - I would have a hard time voting for Obama if Palin was his opponent. I might just sit it out.

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but he did make a splash in the Democratic world at that point. I remember people chattering about the speech.

I don't hang out with many Democrats.

re: #125 Charles

Cool! So everybody's happy. I like it when we can go from sad to happy in just a few comments.

bottle it!...Lizard Potient #9

re: #116 AMER1CAN

Thanks for chiming in with a thought out response. I agree. It just seems odd that there has been a very concentrated effort on the part of marketers to make sure they don't use religious phrases, but then feel comfortable wishing happy Eid in their ad. Seems a bit hypocritical, IMHO.

I think you may be generalizing a bit there. Marketers I would think care more about money than being PC. They may REact, if a protest or some such causes them to think they'll lose money by advertising to a specific group, in a specific fashion, on a specific show (See: Beck, Glenn). But I think in general they aren't pro-actively avoiding conflict. In fact, they may seek out moderate conflict, if only for additional ink/media coverage.

re: #126 albusteve

why - oh -why... does opposing the b*tsh*t insanity of Coulter and Bachman instantly make one an apologist for Obama?...

re: #126 albusteve

and Bachman isn't a pundit - she is a Congresswoman ;-)

re: #107 lawhawk

Your sanity is a welcome fixture in my life. Thanks.

re: #129 MandyManners

I don't hang out with many Democrats.

Well, that's why you have me! So I can tell you what Democrats say when we're all alone!

re: #124 Alouette

So you agree that this is one of the manuscripts that should have been destroyed.

Absolutely. I'm sorry if I gave the opposite impression.

The ones his wife burnt were innocent erotic tales from various lands. I'd much rather have those.

Kucinich/Paul would be the greatest ticket ever for conspiracy nutjobs. Aluminum foil stock would go through the roof.

re: #132 wozzablog

why - oh -why... does opposing the b*tsh*t insanity of Coulter and Bachman instantly make one an apologist for Obama?...

it's a knee jerk reaction...I'm allergic to liberals

re: #129 MandyManners

...or watch news telecasts during conventions or take any interest in what the other party is doing?

I'm in Britain and the guy was impossible to miss after his speach to the convention in 2004.

His race against Alan Keyes is legend.

re: #133 wozzablog

and Bachman isn't a pundit - she is a Congresswoman ;-)

a pundit/congresswoman...that's it!

re: #112 Alouette

Well, I enjoy Wagner's music. The problem is when the anti-Semitism is ferociously blatant in Burton's writings, like his "Human Sacrifice Among the Sephardine Jews."

I'm curious now. What does that tell us that would suggest not reading the first book?

I am called to dinner by my gracious hosts. Ravioli and apple salad.

Veniam.

re: #138 albusteve

it's a knee jerk reaction...I'm allergic to liberals

If I lick you, will you break out in hives?

re: #139 wozzablog

...or watch news telecasts during conventions or take any interest in what the other party is doing?

I'm in Britain and the guy was impossible to miss after his speach to the convention in 2004.

His race against Alan Keyes is legend.

it wasn't a race...it was character assasination

re: #52 simoom

About a week a week ago, RonPaul.com had a poll asking who his running mate should be in 2012. Here are the hilarious/disturbing results:

Don't miss Kucinich, Grayson and McKinney in there :P.

YIKES.

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

If I lick you, will you break out in hives?

Let's not find out

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn't exactly call it hives...

re: #136 Cato the Elder

re: #124 Alouette

So you agree that this is one of the manuscripts that should have been destroyed.

Absolutely. I'm sorry if I gave the opposite impression.

The ones his wife burnt were innocent erotic tales from various lands. I'd much rather have those.

I trust you both realize that you are advocating selective book burning.

re: #141 Naso Tang

I'm curious now. What does that tell us that would suggest not reading the first book?

I'm not saying anyone should not read the first book (that Cato enjoyed). I'm just giving a warning. How much of his bigotry seeped into his other writing?

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

If I lick you, will you break out in hives?

I don't think so, but I'd probably scratch you behind your ears

re: #146 Charles

YIKES.

Where else but in Ron Paul World could Cynthia McKinney and Alex Jones beat John McCain.

re: #131 EastSider

I think you may be generalizing a bit there. Marketers I would think care more about money than being PC. They may REact, if a protest or some such causes them to think they'll lose money by advertising to a specific group, in a specific fashion, on a specific show (See: Beck, Glenn). But I think in general they aren't pro-actively avoiding conflict. In fact, they may seek out moderate conflict, if only for additional ink/media coverage.

I totally agree with you that it's all about making money for these big companies. They could care less about any religious aspect. It's all about $$$. I just wonder if they may have miscalculated on this one just a bit.

re: #149 Naso Tang

I trust you both realize that you are advocating selective book burning.

What about books that are never published? Isn't that also selective censorship?

re: #138 albusteve

there are myriad conservatives who oppose Bachman and Coulters rantings... many posters here from the Right are sick of them.

i'm not allergic to conservatives... just the death panel, fema camp, tinfoil hat types.

re: #152 Gus 802

Where else but in Ron Paul World could Cynthia McKinney and Alex Jones beat John McCain.

/McKinney & Jones in the same sentence... but these are not the end of days.

re: #150 Alouette

I'm not saying anyone should not read the first book (that Cato enjoyed). I'm just giving a warning. How much of his bigotry seeped into his other writing?

Why warn? You have probably read more than me by the sound of it, so you know that human history is as much a story of overcoming bigotry as living with it.

re: #156 Marsoupial

simoom posted the list, I made a snarky comment about it.

I know. :)

re: #139 wozzablog

His race against Alan Keyes is legend

You're kidding, right?

It was 70% Obama 27% Keyes with an EXTREMELY low voter turnout

Keyes wasn't even the 5th choice for repubs in state. He was carpetbagged in at just about the last moment

I just can't imagine what anyone in their right mind would be thinking electing Beck to anything, even a dog catcher is above his pay grade. What would he do? Cry at the dogs to get them in the back of the animal truck? Who in the world would want this blubbering mass to be a heartbeat away from holding the football?! The man is afraid of Pooh, for crying out loud, and there is a person on this earth who thinks we should have him talking to diplomats?

re: #155 wozzablog

there are myriad conservatives who oppose Bachman and Coulters rantings... many posters here from the Right are sick of them.

i'm not allergic to conservatives... just the death panel, fema camp, tinfoil hat types.

I love Coulter, pie and all...and intend on voting for Beck as often as possible...I'm a pillar of extremism

re: #158 Naso Tang

Why warn? You have probably read more than me by the sound of it, so you know that human history is as much a story of overcoming bigotry as living with it.

You're changing the subject.

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's why you have me! So I can tell you what Democrats say when we're all alone!

For some reason I'm reminded of the SNL skit when Eddie Murphy put on white face and hung out with white people.

re: #157 brookly red

/McKinney & Jones in the same sentence... but these are not the end of days.

December 21, 2012 is coming near!

//Are you ready?

//

re: #107 lawhawk

Charles was right to call these nightmare tickets. Just as scary as a nightmare, yet just as likely to come true.

re: #154 Alouette

What about books that are never published? Isn't that also selective censorship?

You mean never published because of fear of consequences? Yes it is, but what does that have to do with your particular censorship?

re: #145 albusteve

the GOP could not find someone to run against Obama - Keyes turned up eventually - to be fair though to the man he didn't have much charachter to assassinate.

re: #160 sattv4u2

exactly. is what i say.

which i new from ths side of the pond - even back then ;-)

re: #163 Alouette

You're changing the subject.

I'm expounding on it, and disagreeing with your summation. Feel free to clarify if I misunderstand.

re: #162 albusteve

good luck with that me ol' china plate ;-)

SARAH PALIN BOOK SIGNING - Interviews with Supporters:

Watch it, and weep for the soul of conservatism.

re: #153 AMER1CAN

I totally agree with you that it's all about making money for these big companies. They could care less about any religious aspect. It's all about $$$. I just wonder if they may have miscalculated on this one just a bit.

That's possible.

I would say that the risk would be setting themselves up for some un-organized consumers actively choosing not to shop there. Any organized opposition would come off as petty and racist/religist (is there a better term for that?). Also, it'd be interesting to see what are likely the same people who are fighting the good fight in "the war on Christmas" try to fight a war against another religious holiday without coming off as bigoted.

Is that what you were thinking?

re: #168 wozzablog

the GOP could not find someone to run against Obama - Keyes turned up eventually - to be fair though to the man he didn't have much charachter to assassinate.

that's because BO took his first opponent to the gutter...getting Jack Ryans divorce records released...spit

re: #167 Naso Tang

You mean never published because of fear of consequences? Yes it is, but what does that have to do with your particular censorship?

Why are you defending the publication of an insane tract accusing the Jews of the blood libel? Didn't enough people die because of "Mein Kampf"?

re: #173 EastSider

Also, it'd be interesting to see what are likely the same people who are fighting the good fight in "the war on Christmas" try to fight a war against another religious holiday without coming off as bigoted.

Some don't even care if it does come off as bigoted *cough*pamelageller*cough*, they're likely to rail against this regardless, and likely will use it as proof of the "war on Christmas".

I don't think there's any way of stopping a Ron Paul/Other (Specify Below) ticket.

re: #169 wozzablog

exactly. is what i say.

which i new from ths side of the pond - even back then ;-)

What was "legend" about a race between a long time Chicago activist/ state senator running against someone that was recruited in the 11th hour that didn't even have roots in a DEM state, where Obama got more votes in the dem primary than all 8 Repubs COMBINED got in theirs? Jack Ryan won the repub primary (which Keyes wasn;'t even IN) and had to withdraw mere months before the election

re: #176 Sharmuta

Some don't even care if it does come off as bigoted *cough*pamelageller*cough*, they're likely to rail against this regardless, and likely will use it as proof of the "war on Christmas".

Robert (cough) Spencer (cough) Gates of (cough) Vienna.

re: #174 albusteve

opposition research - what can you do ? ;-)

people picked up plenty to attack Obama on.

I'm not so naive as to believe all candidates are clean.

re: #179 Gus 802

Robert (cough) Spencer (cough) Gates of (cough) Vienna.

*cough*vdare*cough*malkin*cough*

re: #173 EastSider

That's possible.

I would say that the risk would be setting themselves up for some un-organized consumers actively choosing not to shop there. Any organized opposition would come off as petty and racist/religist (is there a better term for that?). Also, it'd be interesting to see what are likely the same people who are fighting the good fight in "the war on Christmas" try to fight a war against another religious holiday without coming off as bigoted.

Is that what you were thinking?

Yeah that's what I was thinking, especially your last sentence. Will they/Can they fight that fight? I guess we have to wait and see but I'm not encouraged buy what I see so far.

re: #176 Sharmuta

Some don't even care if it does come off as bigoted *cough*pamelageller*cough*, they're likely to rail against this regardless, and likely will use it as proof of the "war on Christmas".

You're right! And more importantly, THEY'RE RIGHT.

I can't believe I forgot about the Atheist-Muslim-Communist-Fascist-Socialist-North Korean 100% efficient and secret conspiraxis of evil.

Oh and the gays. Its probably the gays fault as well.

///

re: #175 Alouette

Why are you defending the publication of an insane tract accusing the Jews of the blood libel? Didn't enough people die because of "Mein Kampf"?

Well, I haven't read it, so I'm not defending it. I'm simply defending it's continued existence since don't believe in educating by destroying what we should know about.

As to Mein Kampf, surely you don't think Nazism would have evaporated if the manuscript had been lost and never printed?

re: #177 Cimbrian

I don't think there's any way of stopping a Ron Paul/Other (Specify Below) ticket.

well there are primaries... that should help.

re: #178 sattv4u2

man who gives electric keynote speech to a National convention gets his first shot at going national... other party self destructs in finding a candidate.

theres a narrative there - one that a lot of people picked up on across the world.

the original argument was that some people had missed obamas ascent to the natonal stage. all's i'm saying is it was a high profie race that people interested in American politics around the world followed closely.

Okay we can excoriate the obvious bad choices. A question for the Republicans current and former-Who is the most qualified republican you can think of to run in 2012?

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

Okay we can excoriate the obvious bad choices. A question for the Republicans current and former-Who is the most qualified republican you can think of to run in 2012?

Huntsman.

re: #180 wozzablog

opposition research - what can you do ? ;-)

people picked up plenty to attack Obama on.

I'm not so naive as to believe all candidates are clean.

Ryans records were sealed...BO sued to have them made public, but yet his OWN records with regard to Ayres and the Annenberg Challenge are sealed at the University of Illinois and are safe from public scrutiny...fuck him...he's a two faced Chicago pol...you like him?, what's that say about your principles?

[Link: www.swamppolitics.com...]

re: #163 Alouette

You're changing the subject.

I wont change the subject, why the insistence on labeling everyone who actually put what was contemporary thought at the time into writing as a racist? "Darwin was a racist, Churchill was a racist, blah, blah, blah. It is very convenient to look back from the racial views of today and label pretty much anyone who actually wrote down their thoughts as racist. Guess what, from todays standpoint they were pretty much all racists then, some just happened to write it down for posterity.

It is a revisionist bullshit argument.

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

Okay we can excoriate the obvious bad choices. A question for the Republicans current and former-Who is the most qualified republican you can think of to run in 2012?

I don't know if that's the question. If nothing else, one lesson of 2008, on BOTH sides, is that experience is overrated in a presidential election.

/Although I think if McCain had picked a well respected, safe choice his whole "experienced, safe hands" branding would have worked a lot lot better

re: #181 Sharmuta

*cough*vdare*cough*malkin*cough*

HEIMLICH!...ASAP!

re: #181 Sharmuta

*cough*vdare*cough*malkin*cough*

Yeah. I'm reading here about Eid al-Adha and the so called sacrifice is symbolic at this point. They slaughter the livestock and it is distributed within the community and it is consumed. It's a religious holiday no doubt.

Meanwhile the rest of the folks are eating another slaughtered animal, the turkey, in another holiday with a religious foundation, Thanksgiving. And don't get the lefties started about Thanksgiving and the Native Americans.

Someone's always complaining about something.

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

Alex, for 200, would it be Obama? since he's just like Nixon?

re: #188 Sharmuta

The Ambassador?

re: #186 wozzablog

the original argument was

No,, your "original argument" to me was that the Illinois race between Obama and Keyes was "LEGEND"
It wasn't even significant!

re: #193 Gus 802

And that damn Columbus guy.

re: #195 Rightwingconspirator

Yes.

re: #189 albusteve

Ryans records were sealed...BO sued to have them made public, but yet his OWN records with regard to Ayres and the Annenberg Challenge are sealed at the University of Illinois and are safe from public scrutiny...fuck him...he's a two faced Chicago pol...you like him?, what's that say about your principles?

[Link: www.swamppolitics.com...]

Ummm... He was against having them made public and stated so. Local newspapers sued to have them made public.

BBIAB

re: #191 EastSider

I don't know if that's the question. If nothing else, one lesson of 2008, on BOTH sides, is that experience is overrated in a presidential election.

/Although I think if McCain had picked a well respected, safe choice his whole "experienced, safe hands" branding would have worked a lot lot better

unless it is a bad experience... more people vote against things than for.

re: #189 albusteve

Ryans records were sealed...BO sued to have them made public, but yet his OWN records with regard to Ayres and the Annenberg Challenge are sealed at the University of Illinois and are safe from public scrutiny...fuck him...he's a two faced Chicago pol...you like him?, what's that say about your principles?

[Link: www.swamppolitics.com...]

I'm not sure what it says about his/her principles, but you're also questioning 67 million Americans' principles right now.

Also, even if you are right, everything Obama related from pre-2008 is now and forever completely moot, and has been since January. If he's going to be beaten in 2012, the argument is going to HAVE to be that he's done a poor job as President.

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

i still think Romney is a proper candidate. he's not electric but he is solid.

the usual suspects will still probably go again - plus acouple of new base pleasers.

Mcain - a centrist - got through because Huckabee was branded "socialist", Romney's story didn't connect and Giuliani forgot to campaign.

If the country decides it want's "managing" rather than 4 more years or a radical righty - Romney has a shot at sneaking through the middle.

re: #197 Sharmuta

And that damn Columbus guy.

The selective holiday outrage of the season. There's always some holiday freaking someone out. Even Martin Luther King day brings out the (cough) Vdare crowd.

re: #199 recusancy

Ummm... He was against having them made public and stated so. Local newspapers sued to have them made public.

oh for gawds sake...how naive can you be?...BO really doesn't want to raise taxes either...and he won't stick his nose in Israels business...blah blah...the man is a mercenary

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

Okay we can excoriate the obvious bad choices. A question for the Republicans current and former-Who is the most qualified republican you can think of to run in 2012?

Scratch Mark Sanford. His name got tossed around - not seriously - for VP in 2008 but the State Ethics Board just put 37 nails in his coffin.

Supposedly his crack communication staff is hanging up on the reporters who treated him "unfairly".

re: #193 Gus 802

Yeah. I'm reading here about Eid al-Adha and the so called sacrifice is symbolic at this point. They slaughter the livestock and it is distributed within the community and it is consumed. It's a religious holiday no doubt.

Meanwhile the rest of the folks are eating another slaughtered animal, the turkey, in another holiday with a religious foundation, Thanksgiving. And don't get the lefties started about Thanksgiving and the Native Americans.

Someone's always complaining about something.

Part of Eid is the ritual of the slaughter of the goat. Not just the consumption. Travel over seas and see for yourself. I don't know of any family that gathers around the wood block to cut the head off the turkey. Just sayin.

re: #204 Gus 802

The selective holiday outrage of the season. There's always some holiday freaking someone out. Even Martin Luther King day brings out the (cough) Vdare crowd.

Just don't get me started on Groundhog Day... Damn rodents.

re: #202 EastSider

I'm not sure what it says about his/her principles, but you're also questioning 67 million Americans' principles right now.

Also, even if you are right, everything Obama related from pre-2008 is now and forever completely moot, and has been since January. If he's going to be beaten in 2012, the argument is going to HAVE to be that he's done a poor job as President.

that I am...and their intelligence

re: #191 EastSider

Experience is one facet of qualified- Let me broaden this then-Who looks great to you from the right? Sharmuta brought up someone I have no knowledge of so I'll be in google fu mode for a couple...

re: #13 Naso Tang

I keep seeing these kinds of pairings lately. I can't figure out if they are from the comedy channel or some GOP back room filled with cigar smoke.

Quite possibly from the DNC.
Because they would love it.

Reality is that the GOP saw what happened in Virginia and that's going to be their model. They will avoid the social issues and concentrate on fiscal and national security.
[Link: www.time.com...]
That will be Obama's nightmare.

re: #197 Sharmuta

And that damn Columbus guy.

And the boat he rode in on!

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

Huntsman and Romney (both from Utah, I know).

Rudy probably wont run again, and he's not even sure he wants to run for the Senate. I don't see Pawlenty or Thune having much of a chance.

Outside shot? Michael Steele, especially if he comes out ahead of the right wing attack machine.

Intrade currently gives the edge to Palin, but the luster is sure to wear off.

How about Barack Illscamya and Joe Boredom?

re: #209 albusteve

that I am...and their intelligence

Good luck with that.

re: #210 Rightwingconspirator

Experience is one facet of qualified- Let me broaden this then-Who looks great to you from the right? Sharmuta brought up someone I have no knowledge of so I'll be in google fu mode for a couple...

Bah! Try LGF-fu.

re: #211 captdiggs

Quite possibly from the DNC.
Because they would love it.

Reality is that the GOP saw what happened in Virginia and that's going to be their model. They will avoid the social issues and concentrate on fiscal and national security.
[Link: www.time.com...]
That will be Obama's nightmare.

that should do it...

re: #215 recusancy

Good luck with that.

luck is irrelevant

re: #189 albusteve

he's probably a nice enough guy to spend a few minutes with over a coffee.

this isn't a "candidate who you most want to have a beer with" argument.

Obama isn't me and i'm not Obama. My principles are my own - i value fairplay and equality. Late breaking news story - some "politicians circumvent principle to get elected"

stop the presses

re: #208 Sharmuta

Just don't get me started on Groundhog Day... Damn rodents.

My four legged Head of Security is a Groundhog Assassin. If she gets a sniff she'll hunt him down and slay him on the spot.

... of course, she'll dig up 30 acres getting him! *Mutters as he returns the shovel to the shed*

re: #207 AMER1CAN

Part of Eid is the ritual of the slaughter of the goat. Not just the consumption. Travel over seas and see for yourself. I don't know of any family that gathers around the wood block to cut the head off the turkey. Just sayin.

Goats get slaughtered. This is part of their archaic ritual if you like. We raise goats and they are slaughtered by the thousands daily. You might not know any families around the world that participate in the slaughtering of a goat but they exist around the world. And it includes other similar slaughtering of animals for religious purposes.

re: #172 HAL2010

SARAH PALIN BOOK SIGNING - Interviews with Supporters:

Watch it, and weep for the soul of conservatism.

They seem like very nice people. I'm sure it is just my liberal elitism that makes me shudder.

re: #107 lawhawk

Yeah, two years is a long time; and we're still looking at 3 years to go.

Well, let's see...

The Iowa caucuses are probably going to be held in Jan 2012, that is 26 months away.

The selection of candidates in those caucuses will be pretty much nailed down a good 10 months ahead of that time.

That means we are down to 16 months for the various wanna-bes to make up their mind to throw in their names.

Now, given the news about the "purity" test (see link downstairs) some in the GOP want to institute this coming January... that means there will be only 16 months from the time of the "purity" brouhaha (however it shakes out) and when the wanna-be candidate has to make up his/her mind.

The window is narrowing... time is passing, and much more quickly than we often allow ourselves to think.

So, it will be interesting to see who, other than the short list given my the pundits today, jumps into the GOP candidate pool over the next 16 months or so. That is less than a year and half.

/BTW, there are only 31 more shopping days till Christmas.

re: #220 SteveC

My four legged Head of Security is a Groundhog Assassin. If she gets a sniff she'll hunt him down and slay him on the spot.

... of course, she'll dig up 30 acres getting him! *Mutters as he returns the shovel to the shed*

Do you have any idea what those monsters did to Bill Murray?

Interviews With Palin Supporters at Book Signing

some funny/scary stuff here

re: #211 captdiggs

Quite possibly from the DNC.
Because they would love it.

Reality is that the GOP saw what happened in Virginia and that's going to be their model. They will avoid the social issues and concentrate on fiscal and national security.
[Link: www.time.com...]
That will be Obama's nightmare.

The are inherently incapable of separating social issues from fiscal ones (which is not to say the Democrats are). Abortion, for example, will always take precedence over health care for everyone else.

On national security they would be better I think, as long as defense bills are not held up by "don't ask don't tell" principles.//

re: #172 HAL2010

sorry, didn't read down this far before reposting it myself

re: #224 Sharmuta

Do you have any idea what those monsters did to Bill Murray?

That's why I forgive quickly and give her a doggie treat!

Bachmann needs a running mate named Turner. The campaign slogan writes itself.

Huckabee's support for a nationwide smoking ban might lose some GOP votes. As far as fiscal policy goes, the Club for Growth finds Huck underwhelming.

Wait a minute - shouldn't that be Palin/Dobbs? NOBODY runs for Veep twice under two different Presidential candidates. And she's the one with the coattails, not him. (They're lined with caribou fur.)

Is a Dobbs/Palin ticket any more likely than a Nobel Peace Prize for Michael Vick? I don't follow Dobbs, so I don't know much about his politics - and thus how much the two have in common. If Wikipedia is right that he opposed the Bush tax cuts, that's a big minus.

A cursory review of Wikipedia's sources shows that overseas outsourcing is a Dobbs hobbyhorse. (Dobbyhorse?) His focus is on the wrong place - trade policy, rather than the bevy of laws that drive up the cost of doing business in the US. (My trade policy mantra is: I should be able to buy stuff from Astrakhan just as easily as I can buy stuff from Akron.)

re: #42 philosophus invidius

Dobbs will go down like Fred Thompson.

I disagree. Thompson sleep-walked through the campaign. If Dobbs goes down, I think it would be by some different means.

Nobody mentioned Newt :-)

re: #207 AMER1CAN

Part of Eid is the ritual of the slaughter of the goat. Not just the consumption. Travel over seas and see for yourself. I don't know of any family that gathers around the wood block to cut the head off the turkey. Just sayin.

I seem to recall Sarah Palin being photographed in front of a turkey slaughter!

But yes, part of Eid is the ritual of the slaughter of the goat. Nu, it's part of Eid.

re: #210 Rightwingconspirator

Experience is one facet of qualified- Let me broaden this then-Who looks great to you from the right? Sharmuta brought up someone I have no knowledge of so I'll be in google fu mode for a couple...

Fair enough.

Right now: No one.

I forget the name, but recently a GOP leader who is ambassador to China said something to the effect of "Its a good time to be in Beijing."

Anyone who takes a stand on principle at this point is going to be destroyed by the far right for being too moderate OR by the moderates/independents for being too crazy. Actually, its possible to have both happen.

The GOP leader may actually have to act a bit like Obama. Obama managed to come off as progressive enough for the lefties, yet sold his wares with such skill that he seemed to include everyone in his vision for America.

I think there are conservative principles that DO appeal to a ton of people. Small government and strong national defense are items 1 and 1a on that list.

You are going to need a leader who embodies those (and not just pay them lip service), yet appeals enough to the center on things like social issues (i.e. ignore them), and healthcare (i.e. get on board w/ popular programs). He or she will have to hope that the far right/moderates come around come gametime.

For now...if I thought I was that person, or could be that person, or could *work* for that person, I would be doing my best to stay in the bunker why the bloodletting is going on. At least through March/April 2011.

re: #196 sattv4u2

My argument related to someone who claimed not to have heard of Obama 4 years ago... when his senate race made newspapers around the world... his senate race was significant.

He had all the hype of being the "next big thing" carried over from the convention - he was carrying star power into a senate race from out of relative obscurity. Thats significan't - i'm sorry - but it wasn't a run of the mill senate race - it was being touted as the launch pad back then.

re: #223 freetoken

I should have said 14 months from the coming GOP meeting to the time when candidates start to formally put their name in the Iowa hopper.

Nevertheless, the point is that there isn't as much time as one would like to think.

OT - Al Sharpton is on the tele. He is dumber than a bucket of hair.
It's depressing that this guy gets even a nanosecond of air time.

Three words.

re: #211 captdiggs

Quite possibly from the DNC.
Because they would love it.

Reality is that the GOP saw what happened in Virginia and that's going to be their model. They will avoid the social issues and concentrate on fiscal and national security.
[Link: www.time.com...]
That will be Obama's nightmare.

Virginia??
New Jersey??

There were elections there???
The only thing that matters is NY 23

//dem pundit spinny mode!

re: #223 freetoken

Actually, it's 18 days until Hanukkah. But who's counting?

And, I'm almost done with my shopping. Going online tends to make that easier.

re: #232 wozzablog

My argument related to someone who claimed not to have heard of Obama 4 years ago... when his senate race made newspapers around the world... his senate race was significant.

He had all the hype of being the "next big thing" carried over from the convention - he was carrying star power into a senate race from out of relative obscurity. Thats significan't - i'm sorry - but it wasn't a run of the mill senate race - it was being touted as the launch pad back then.

why?...on the strength of one speech?...bwahahaha!...how shallow can it get?

re: #198 Sharmuta

Thanks tons! I had no awareness of this man. He looks good on Wiki. Utterly irrelevant to Presidential character-I am a huge fan of Prog Rock. 7th generation? Gotta respect that...

re: #233 freetoken

I should have said 14 months from the coming GOP meeting to the time when candidates start to formally put their name in the Iowa hopper.

Nevertheless, the point is that there isn't as much time as one would like to think.

Actually, there's still time, more than perhaps you think

June 1997, 12 months after Clinton slaughtered Dole, name me one person (besides Carl Rover, MAYBE) that would have told you for certainty that George Bush would be the leader of the Repubs and be elected in 2000
June 2001, after Bush beat Gore, tell me one person who would have told you John Kerry would have been the 'rudder" of the Dems come 2004
June 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
I could go back even further. The "losers" in the race for the White House are ALWAYS "rudderless and leaderless" for at LEAST 2 1/2 years after that election. ALWAYS

re: #223 freetoken

-snip-

Now, given the news about the "purity" test (see link downstairs) some in the GOP want to institute this coming January... that means there will be only 16 months from the time of the "purity" brouhaha (however it shakes out) and when the wanna-be candidate has to make up his/her mind.

Major ___ de Coverley will end this loyalty/purity testing.

re: #190 ausador

I wont change the subject, why the insistence on labeling everyone who actually put what was contemporary thought at the time into writing as a racist? "Darwin was a racist, Churchill was a racist, blah, blah, blah. It is very convenient to look back from the racial views of today and label pretty much anyone who actually wrote down their thoughts as racist. Guess what, from todays standpoint they were pretty much all racists then, some just happened to write it down for posterity.

It is a revisionist bullshit argument.

I think we can safely say that someone who wrote a manuscript entitled "Human Sacrifice Among the Sephardine Jews" was a batshit anti-Semite. I don't think that Wagner or Beethoven or Mark Twain or Abraham Lincoln wrote anything like that.

re: #233 freetoken

re: #239 sattv4u2

Actually, there's still time, more than perhaps you think

June November 1997, 12 months after Clinton slaughtered Dole, name me one person (besides Carl Rover, MAYBE) that would have told you for certainty that George Bush would be the leader of the Repubs and be elected in 2000
June 2001, after Bush beat Gore, tell me one person who would have told you John Kerry would have been the 'rudder" of the Dems come 2004
June 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
I could go back even further. The "losers" in the race for the White House are ALWAYS "rudderless and leaderless" for at LEAST 2 1/2 years after that election. ALWAYS

pimf

re: #52 simoom

If Ron Paul runs for President in 2012, who should be his running mate?

That ranks right up there with "what supermodel should I ask out next Friday." (I have to work that day anyway.)

I have a feeling (or maybe a hope) that the 2010 election will bring a sobering reality to the tea party movement and it will lose steam and fall apart before 2012.

re: #233 freetoken

I should have said 14 months from the coming GOP meeting to the time when candidates start to formally put their name in the Iowa hopper.

Nevertheless, the point is that there isn't as much time as one would like to think.

IMHO, I think the healthcare debate in the Senate is going to play into the equation. How, there's no way to predict.

re: #205 albusteve

oh for gawds sake...how naive can you be?...BO really doesn't want to raise taxes either...and he won't stick his nose in Israels business...blah blah...the man is a mercenary

Are you insinuating a conspiracy?

re: #232 wozzablog

My argument related to someone who claimed not to have heard of Obama 4 years ago... when his senate race made newspapers around the world... his senate race was significant.

He had all the hype of being the "next big thing" carried over from the convention - he was carrying star power into a senate race from out of relative obscurity. Thats significan't - i'm sorry - but it wasn't a run of the mill senate race - it was being touted as the launch pad back then.

"Claimed"? Are you calling me a liar?

re: #225 Conservative Moonbat

No problem!
The more that see it, the better.

re: #230 SanFranciscoZionist

I seem to recall Sarah Palin being photographed in front of a turkey slaughter!

But yes, part of Eid is the ritual of the slaughter of the goat. Nu, it's part of Eid.

I was just trying to point out the differences. Every day we (well most of us) eat a slaughtered animal. But the slaughter of the animal is not what is thanksgiving, or when I sit down and have a hamburger. But the slaughter of the animal is a big part of Eid. I think that's a difference worth noting between the two days.

re: #230 SanFranciscoZionist

I seem to recall Sarah Palin being photographed in front of a turkey slaughter!

But yes, part of Eid is the ritual of the slaughter of the goat. Nu, it's part of Eid.

Yep. She also like to shoot wolves from a helicopter.

Ask Cato when he returns.

re: #104 Cato the Elder

Merely a new revival of an old debate. Can someone who was culturally and also avowedly anti-Semitic (as Burton indisputably was) be read for his other qualities, or must he be dismissed for sharing the common prejudices of his age?

I missed this post. As per my other posts, you would not be able to ask that question if you were ignorant of those issues.

I don't understand how smart people here can get indignant about it. We do not change history by ignoring it, or by pretending it happened now.

re: #237 albusteve

why?...on the strength of one speech?...bwahahaha!...how shallow can it get?

Jeebus man, haven't you learned never to ask that question?

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re: #245 SteveC

IMHO, I think the healthcare debate in the Senate is going to play into the equation. How, there's no way to predict.

If a repub comes up with a plan that is backed by moderates on both sides and that Repub can also sway some socons to go along with it (s)he
could be hailed as a "healer" and bridge builder

re: #246 recusancy

Are you insinuating a conspiracy?

describe what you mean...all elections are conspiracies eh?...especially in Illinois