I think Glenn has ODS

God bless the American soldiers, volunteering to go in harms way to suppress the real killers of the innocent.

"Enough. Enough."

Indeed.

He's a very disturbed individual.

Reprehensible in the management of Fox, to allow this on the air, for profit.

EEJIT!!!

re: #1 albusteve

I think Glenn has ODS

He's the poster boy for it.

What can you even say about something like that?

I can't even form a reply, because it's so asinine. This is the kind of thing I can actually imagine giving aid and comfort to our enemies. The armed forces are goddamned hurting right now, the quality of recruits is low as it is; why make the decision any harder for them to stay? Why stick your fat face in it at all, Beck?

I have a feeling this conversation with his nephew did not take place, or if it did, quite unlike Beck tells it...I think he's using the guy and if so makes this statement even more despicable

This is absurd. It's also absurd that three Navy Seals are facing trial for giving some terrorists fat lips.

re: #7 Obdicut

This is the kind of thing I can actually imagine giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

I consider it just as unAmerican as when the right was doing it last year.

re: #7 Obdicut

Why stick your fat face in it at all, Beck?

Sadly, it's the only face he has.

re: #7 Obdicut

the quality of recruits is low as it is;

Not the ones from my Scout troop.

ron paul would call our troops "baby killers" before Obama would.

maybe he should join the east german military ... he loves wearing their uniform

My number one problem with libertarians, large or small "L", is isolationism. The libertarian-leaning Republicans seem to be more consistent on that part of the platform than on the other planks, and that's what makes them dangerous, form Adam Kokesh to Gary Johnson to Arlo Guthrie to Luap Nor himself.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I consider it just as unAmerican as when the right was doing it last year.

or the left for seven years before that...all those astute senators that voted for the war in the first place...that record even out paced the Viet Nam years

re: #7 Obdicut

What can you even say about something like that?

I can't even form a reply, because it's so asinine. This is the kind of thing I can actually imagine giving aid and comfort to our enemies. The armed forces are goddamned hurting right now, the quality of recruits is low as it is; why make the decision any harder for them to stay? Why stick your fat face in it at all, Beck?

What the fuck? How dare you trash our servicemembers?

...

It's been obvious for some time now, but this man is clearly insane. Either that, or he's just trolling to the tune of millions of dollars.

I think I'd almost rather the first possibility.

If our military ends up with zero people who take advice from Glenn Beck, that's a good thing.

You're right Glenn.

Enough.

*click*

re: #13 Sharmuta

ron paul would call our troops "baby killers" before Obama would.

I don't think so...RP for all his negatives, has Americas best interests at heart, whether one agrees what those are or not

re: #12 Ojoe

I don't mean any disrespect to the recruits, I just mean that the standards for admittance have been changed and lowered. I have a few noncom friends who have been saying that there are some very unprepared recruits being passed through, and more having to be failed from boot than in the past. That's not their failing, it's the systems failing. Not everyone is cut out for the armed forces no matter how brave or patriotic they may be; it's the armed forces job to vet their recruits well and let only the right ones serve.

Things like this hurt the number of recruits, which means the military has a smaller pool to draw from. That's all.

Though I hope maybe some patriotic souls will join up precisely because Beck is saying jackassery like this.

re: #4 Ojoe

Reprehensible in the management of Fox, to allow this on the air, for profit.

Is Premiere Radio owned by Fox?

re: #22 Obdicut

OK

re: #21 albusteve

as opposed to Beck who has a vested interest in this sensationalism

re: #21 albusteve

I don't think so...RP for all his negatives, has Americas best interests at heart, whether one agrees what those are or not

That may have been true at some point, for RP and for GB, but now it's all about the power and the money. They are both willing to stir up fear to get more power and money for themselves.

re: #17 MandyManners

What the fuck? How dare you trash our servicemembers?

I'm not. We had much 'lower' standards during World War II, and during Vietnam. Those men who served them proved to be heroes and stalwarts. I'm not in the least bit trashing anyone who's serving in the armed forces.

re: #9 borgcube

This is absurd. It's also absurd that three Navy Seals are facing trial for giving some terrorists fat lips.

Report: Navy Seals Abused Valuable Suspect

Three Navy Seals face court-martial for allegedly abusing a terrorist suspect in detention, according to a report on Fox News.

The man accused as the mastermind behind the bloody killings of four defense contractor security guards told investigators he was beaten by the soldiers while in captivity, Fox reports.

SEALs accused of beating up terror suspect

Fox News is reporting that three Navy SEALS who helped capture a terror suspect in Iraq are now facing criminal charges for allegedly beating up that man after he was in custody, then lying about it. The suspect, who's linked to the murders of U.S. security guards, had a bloody lip.

So far Fox news seems to be the only source for the story. It's possibly possibly bogus or or a half truth. Either way, the military does have guidelines that need to be followed. If those soldiers were out of line they should be punished accordingly. If I had to venture a guess about this story I'd say that Fox discovered that the suspect complained. There was probably an investigation. Charges probably weren't even filed.

re: #16 albusteve

Oops, I misspoke. I meant to say left.

And you think he will be a running mate with Sarah Palin in 2012??? On what do you base this notion?
I don't think he will ever seek public office in any capacity.

re: #21 albusteve

I don't think so...RP for all his negatives, has Americas best interests at heart, whether one agrees what those are or not

That all depends on your point of view. I think isolationism is against America's best interests, so I would disagree that RP has America's best interests at heart.

Beck would say he has America's best interests at heart as well, but I think he only has his own best interests ($$$) at heart.

The DoD should immediately start blocking Glenn Beck's radio show and TV programs.

They should also block his web page.

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Oops, I misspoke. I meant to say left.

I thought so...

re: #32 Gus 802

The DoD should immediately start blocking Glenn Beck's radio show and TV programs.

They should also block his web page.

I do think that the troops are probably inured to jackasses like Beck. It's the response of the people who support them-- friends and family-- that I'm worried about.

It's one thing to hear Beck say this and shrug it off-- I don't think most military guys will think that Beck has any insight into the military at all. But it's another thing for that guy's dad to hear this from Beck and for that guy's dad to try to convince his son to not re-enlist.

re: #19 sagehen

And zero people on the planet taking advice from him would be even better.

re: #21 albusteve

I don't think so...RP for all his negatives, has Americas best interests at heart, whether one agrees what those are or not

Except for that whole associating with racists part.

re: #31 Sharmuta

That all depends on your point of view. I think isolationism is against America's best interests, so I would disagree that RP has America's best interests at heart.

Beck would say he has America's best interests at heart as well, but I think he only has his own best interests ($$$) at heart.

I'm thinking of Pauls' point of view, not mine...he knows what he is talking about and is very articulate about it...I don't agree with him either, but I'd trust him on principle in a heartbeat as opposed to Beck, who I think sort of makes it up as he goes along

re: #8 albusteve

...I think he's using the guy and if so makes this statement even more despicable

This. In all honesty, I'd pay attention to retention rates over the next couple of years. I know men in uniform who are asking themselves the same question and I know they aren't the only ones. Guys who have been in for awhile are a little apprehensive but that's the way it always is when there's a new "boss". I agree that to use this apprehension for ratings is completely despicable.

I saw this on T.V. As a Canadian I'm impressed that he has the right to express the unpopular positions he has. Are you suggesting in an oblique way that he's not entitled to give his nephew a serving soldier an opinion he asked for? Up here we're basically told what we're entitled to watch and listen by a group called CRTC. Believe me it stinks

re: #36 WindUpBird

Except for that whole associating with racists part.

Yeah, associating.

Him and Lew Rockwell, Don Black, Derek Black, etc.

re: #37 albusteve

I'm thinking of Pauls' point of view, not mine...he knows what he is talking about and is very articulate about it...I don't agree with him either, but I'd trust him on principle in a heartbeat as opposed to Beck, who I think sort of makes it up as he goes along

We agree on beck, but the sincerity of ron paul's intentions (or any one else's, for that matter) means nothing to me if he's flat out wrong. And he is.

re: #22 Obdicut

I don't mean any disrespect to the recruits, I just mean that the standards for admittance have been changed and lowered. I have a few noncom friends who have been saying that there are some very unprepared recruits being passed through, and more having to be failed from boot than in the past. That's not their failing, it's the systems failing. Not everyone is cut out for the armed forces no matter how brave or patriotic they may be; it's the armed forces job to vet their recruits well and let only the right ones serve.

Things like this hurt the number of recruits, which means the military has a smaller pool to draw from. That's all.

Though I hope maybe some patriotic souls will join up precisely because Beck is saying jackassery like this.

You're absolutely correct about your first point. One of the men I mentioned just trained his last infantry basic at Benning and he's been saying the exact same thing. On the other hand, he also had an entire platoon of Ranger contracts earlier this year, something that's basically unheard of. I disagree that it will hurt recruiting because like you said they'll just lower the standards. Where I think it will hurt most would be in retaining those troops.

re: #41 Sharmuta

We agree on beck, but the sincerity of ron paul's intentions (or any one else's, for that matter) means nothing to me if he's flat out wrong. And he is.

just a small point to chew on is all...a sincere man can be taken at his word as opposed to a self absorbed narcissist

re: #43 albusteve

just a small point to chew on is all...a sincere man can be taken at his word as opposed to a self absorbed narcissist

A fair point. +1

re: #9 borgcube

This is absurd. It's also absurd that three Navy Seals are facing trial for giving some terrorists fat lips.

That is a simplistic and inaccurate summary. They are facing trial for filing false reports, making false statements, and in one case actively obstructing the ensuing investigation. If they had given the suspect a fat lip and NOT lied about it there wouldn't be a problem. This is the same reason that those border patrol agents Ramos and Campion were prosecuted, because the absence of integrity demonstrated in attempting a cover-up is systemically unacceptable.

re: #42 RogueOne

Yeah, I was conflating reupping with recruitment.

A friend of mine in the Army right now has his dad telling him he shouldn't reup because (insert random internet story about medical hazard in the military) and his mom telling him he shouldn't because killing is wrong.

I've told him he's lucky to have gotten out of their crazy house. He's doing good in the Army. But I know it's rough on him having his parents not support him.

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

That is a simplistic and inaccurate summary. They are facing trial for filing false reports, making false statements, and in one case actively obstructing the ensuing investigation. If they had given the suspect a fat lip and NOT lied about it there wouldn't be a problem. This is the same reason that those border patrol agents Ramos and Campion were prosecuted, because the absence of integrity demonstrated in attempting a cover-up is systemically unacceptable.

The army has been awful quick to jump the gun in these kinds of prosecutions over the last 6 years. I'm going under the assumption these guys didn't do anything wrong until proven otherwise.

re: #7 Obdicut

What can you even say about something like that?

I can't even form a reply, because it's so asinine. This is the kind of thing I can actually imagine giving aid and comfort to our enemies. The armed forces are goddamned hurting right now, the quality of recruits is low as it is; why make the decision any harder for them to stay? Why stick your fat face in it at all, Beck?

Beck is a nut.

The armed forces are "hurting" right now because they have been left blowing in the wind while Obama tries to catch up on 40 years of foreign policy.

And the largest aiding and abetting of the enemy is coming up in the following months, a circus show trial courtesy of Obama.

Neato!

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Explanation: If you could go far away from the Earth and look around the entire sky -- what would you see? Such was the goal of the All-Sky Milky Way Panorama 2.0 project of Axel Mellinger. Presented above is the result: a digital compilation of over 3,000 images comprising the highest resolution digital panorama of the entire night sky yet created. An interactive zoom version, featuring over 500 million pixels, can be found here. Every fixed astronomical object visible to the unaided eye has been imaged, including every constellation, every nebula, and every star cluster.

Axel Mellinger's Milky Way Panorama

Takes a while to load but very cool!

Demonstrating once again that the far left and the far right meet on the opposite side of reality.

re: #37 albusteve

I'm thinking of Pauls' point of view, not mine...he honestly thinks he knows what he is talking about and is very articulate about it despite being a total kook...I don't agree with him either, but I'd trust him on principle in a heartbeat as opposed to Beck, who I think sort of makes it up as he goes along so he can keep the cash rolling in.

FTFY

The hate mail's really pouring in today, because I refuse to go ballistic over the CRU-gate nontroversy.

Nine so far, including one that's close to a threat.

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Beck is a nut.

The armed forces are "hurting" right now because they have been left blowing in the wind while Obama tries to catch up on 40 years of foreign policy.

I'm sorry, Walter, but the way that the armed forces have been used for the past eight years is the main thing contributing to their current state. Whether or not you view them as having been used wisely, they have been stretched and kept stretched for years, now.

I do not agree that it is just since Obama has taken over that they're hurting, and I think their hardest challenges were set upon them before he took office.

re: #51 ArchangelMichael

FTFY

you can always write your own posts, might be simpler for you

re: #19 sagehen

If our military ends up with zero people who take advice from Glenn Beck, that's a good thing.

Purge!!!

///must I?

re: #43 albusteve

just a small point to chew on is all...a sincere man can be taken at his word as opposed to a self absorbed narcissist

A sincere man! Really. Do you also take RP at his word that Martin Luther King Jr. is a child molester?

re: #53 Obdicut

I'm sorry, Walter, but the way that the armed forces have been used for the past eight years is the main thing contributing to their current state. Whether or not you view them as having been used wisely, they have been stretched and kept stretched for years, now.

I do not agree that it is just since Obama has taken over that they're hurting, and I think their hardest challenges were set upon them before he took office.

stretched thin is not the point...it's their morale that has taken a beating in the last year...the re up numbers have been excellent for years and alot og guys want that second and third deployment...a hell of a thing right there

Observe as Obama hre: #45 goddamnedfrank

That is a simplistic and inaccurate summary. They are facing trial for filing false reports, making false statements, and in one case actively obstructing the ensuing investigation. If they had given the suspect a fat lip and NOT lied about it there wouldn't be a problem. This is the same reason that those border patrol agents Ramos and Campion were prosecuted, because the absence of integrity demonstrated in attempting a cover-up is systemically unacceptable.

But you know, as long as those Seals are kicking ass, discipline and order and integrity in the armed forces isn't necessary! All that matters is that AMERICA KICKS ASS, ROOT ROOT ROOT

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re: #46 Obdicut

The drill sergeant I mentioned comes from a very military family, all senior officers but him including his sister. His son just graduated basic training. All the guys I'm close with that are still in have been in awhile. This career re-thinking always happens when a new CIC comes around. I know the Clinton election affected everyone because there were already some severe drawdowns planned. I think there are legitimate questions about Obama's commitment but the people I know are just waiting to see what happens before they make any decisions.

re: #47 RogueOne

The army has been awful quick to jump the gun in these kinds of prosecutions over the last 6 years. I'm going under the assumption these guys didn't do anything wrong until proven otherwise.

You're absolutely right. However GDF makes a good point that the charges were largely related to some sort of coverup rather than just a charge of roughing up the guy. That being said, if the man was securely in custody and then they beat him up it's probably something the military has to address in some way.

That all being said, they are accused, not convicted and remain innocent. I trust our military to conduct a fair trial and sort out right from wrong.

re: #54 albusteve

you can always write your own posts, might be simpler for you

Oh please... Grow, purchase, or borrow a small sense of humor.

re: #52 Charles

The hate mail's really pouring in today, because I refuse to go ballistic over the CRU-gate nontroversy.

Nine so far, including one that's close to a threat.

the nontrovercy seems to be picking up steam tho...I don't think it's going away soon

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Beck is a nut.

The armed forces are "hurting" right now because they have been left blowing in the wind while Obama tries to catch up on 40 years of foreign policy.

And the largest aiding and abetting of the enemy is coming up in the following months, a circus show trial courtesy of Obama.

Oh, sure, it has nothing to do with repeated deployments and insufficient time between, being sent in inadequate numbers, without enough body armor. Has nothing to do with stop loss, or contractors getting in their way while being paid double and triple and not subject to the same chain or command or UCMJ. Or insufficient funding for the VA, or privatizing Walter Reed.

Those factors are irrelevant. Everything was perfect and wonderful for the armed forces right up until January 20 of this year, when it suddenly came crashing down.

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re: #57 albusteve

stretched thin is not the point...it's their morale that has taken a beating in the last year...the re up numbers have been excellent for years and alot og guys want that second and third deployment...a hell of a thing right there

They've certainly showed they are a military second to none.

re: #61 ArchangelMichael

Oh please... Grow, purchase, or borrow a small sense of humor.

you didn't like my joke?

re: #53 Obdicut

I'm sorry, Walter, but the way that the armed forces have been used for the past eight years is the main thing contributing to their current state. Whether or not you view them as having been used wisely, they have been stretched and kept stretched for years, now.

I do not agree that it is just since Obama has taken over that they're hurting, and I think their hardest challenges were set upon them before he took office.

Of course, why didn't I think of that... IT'S BUSH'S FAULT.

And I never said it's since anything, did I. You made that leap. But Obama has the responsibility right now and he is not showing any leadership.

But let's have an ally weight in...

Bob Ainsworth, the defence secretary, has blamed Barack Obama and the United States for the decline in British public support for the war in Afghanistan.

re: #57 albusteve

their morale that has taken a beating in the last year...

Is there any data backing this up? I know blogs like blackfive say it, but those are generally written by ex-military or friends & family. I haven't seen stats on troop morale. Just curious.

National Geographic's International Photography Contest 2009

Nice!

re: #53 Obdicut

I'm sorry, Walter, but the way that the armed forces have been used for the past eight years is the main thing contributing to their current state. Whether or not you view them as having been used wisely, they have been stretched and kept stretched for years, now.

I do not agree that it is just since Obama has taken over that they're hurting, and I think their hardest challenges were set upon them before he took office.

I knew agreeing with you wouldn't last long. I enjoyed it though while it lasted.

Everyone have a good t-day tmrw if I don't make it back. Drive carefully.

re: #62 albusteve

the nontrovercy seems to be picking up steam tho...

No, it isn't. There's a lot of noise being made by the denialists, which was totally expected. The whole purpose of this stunt was to sabotage the Copenhagen meeting, so they're going to do everything they can to rant and scream about it for as long as possible.

It's meaningless, and anyone who reads through the material without a huge axe to grind will see how unimportant and trivial it really is.

re: #62 albusteve

re: #52 Charles

I have seen some of the alleged "conclusions" out there on the blogs. Very specific in certain instances. I have no faith in it as it is a poisoned source. I wish I had the IT/software skills to take it apart on a more specific basis. Just not my skill set. Would anyone walk through any of it with me, offline?

re: #56 WindUpBird

A sincere man! Really. Do you also take RP at his word that Martin Luther King Jr. is a child molester?

Are you going to ask him if he's stopped beating his wife yet next?

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

I don't agree he's not showing any leadership, either. I don't think he's great at running the war in the least, but I don't think that that can be compared to the state that the military was already in when he took over.

I don't think he's doing anything very much about fixing it, and I wish he would.

And yes, the way that Bush used the military under his administration is his responsibility. For whatever ill, his fault. To whatever good, his credit.

re: #63 sagehen

Oh, sure, it has nothing to do with repeated deployments and insufficient time between, being sent in inadequate numbers, without enough body armor. Has nothing to do with stop loss, or contractors getting in their way while being paid double and triple and not subject to the same chain or command or UCMJ. Or insufficient funding for the VA, or privatizing Walter Reed.

Those factors are irrelevant. Everything was perfect and wonderful for the armed forces right up until January 20 of this year, when it suddenly came crashing down.

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BUSH BUSH BUSH... it's almost funny isn't it, the dems try to block Bush for 8 years from doing what needs to be done, and no, you got a Dem in there and what do you do, blame it on Bush.

Sorry, you progressives have put up roadblocks every step of the way...

But let's have an ally weight in...

Bob Ainsworth, the defence secretary, has blamed Barack Obama and the United States for the decline in British public support for the war in Afghanistan.

re: #64 Obdicut

They've certainly showed they are a military second to none.

my pride and joy...the feds need to continuously work to improve their on ground situation, their bennies and health care etc...but the spirit and will these guys have shown is second to none indeed

re: #2 Ojoe

Maybe he was parodying the LUNACY spawned by the left that now sees 3 Navy SEALs who are facing Court Martial for allegedly treating a captured AQ nutter a bit harshly

Mind you these are the AQ nutters who were responsible for the hanging and burning of US contractors in Iraq over that bridge. Remeber that or do you lot think they deserved that.

Maybe the point Beck was making that sooo...instead of being hailed heros... if you do what's needed for your country... youll get hauled over the coals by Oblunderer and his mates

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

But let's have an ally weight in...

Bob Ainsworth, the defence secretary, has blamed Barack Obama and the United States for the decline in British public support for the war in Afghanistan.

Why do I have a suspicion Walter that you probably didn't give an f--- about another country's public opinion on the war until it agreed with your point of view?

re: #73 Obdicut

I don't agree he's not showing any leadership, either. I don't think he's great at running the war in the least, but I don't think that that can be compared to the state that the military was already in when he took over.

I don't think he's doing anything very much about fixing it, and I wish he would.

And yes, the way that Bush used the military under his administration is his responsibility. For whatever ill, his fault. To whatever good, his credit.

Since we are talking about the military, the war, then your statements don't make any sense "I don't agree he's not showing any leadership, either" but "I don't think he's great at running the war in the least..."

How's that working out for you. Make up your mind, leadership or no leadership?

re: #28 Killgore Trout

So far Fox news seems to be the only source for the story. It's possibly possibly bogus or or a half truth. Either way, the military does have guidelines that need to be followed. If those soldiers were out of line they should be punished accordingly. If I had to venture a guess about this story I'd say that Fox discovered that the suspect complained. There was probably an investigation. Charges probably weren't even filed.

News tip. The attorney for McCabe is Neal A. Pucket.

Neal A. Pucket was the defense attorney for Marine Sgt. Bassa Cisse who was charged with the murder of his daughter. He backhanded her "she attempted to lay out clothes to dry on the family’s second-floor balcony." Cisse also admitted to then stepping on his daughter with his "full weight."

Back to the current new, from Navy Times:

McCabe is charged with one count each of assault of the detainee, dereliction of duty and making a false official statement

Keefe is charged with one count each of dereliction of duty and false official statement

Huertas is accused of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement and impeding an investigation

They chose the option of bringing these charges to a special court-martial. The charges were referred by Army Maj. Gen. Charles T. Cleveland, SOCCent CO.

My guess would be that the news leak came from the defense attorney, Neal A. Puckett. There is more to this than meets the eye.

re: #67 Cineaste

Is there any data backing this up? I know blogs like blackfive say it, but those are generally written by ex-military or friends & family. I haven't seen stats on troop morale. Just curious.

there is enough out there to get a picture...the subject pops up now and then, but I don't think it's a crisis, just a trend

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Since we are talking about the military, the war, then your statements don't make any sense "I don't agree he's not showing any leadership, either" but "I don't think he's great at running the war in the least..."

How's that working out for you. Make up your mind, leadership or no leadership?

So leadership means running headlong into situations based on your "gut"? Just because you're running in front doesn't mean you're leading...

re: #77 Cineaste

Why do I have a suspicion Walter that you probably didn't give an f--- about another country's public opinion on the war until it agreed with your point of view?

Caring about what is said, and judging whether the statements are correct or not are two different things.

re: #75 albusteve

my pride and joy...the feds need to continuously work to improve their on ground situation, their bennies and health care etc...but the spirit and will these guys have shown is second to none indeed

Absolutely. Obama did manage to open up VA rolls a little but it's not nearly enough.

Especially, I wish more attention was paid to the wounded soldiers. I feel they get ignored, sometimes, with the media concentrating on the dead, only.

re: #77 Cineaste

Why do I have a suspicion Walter that you probably didn't give an f--- about another country's public opinion on the war until it agreed with your point of view?

Proof or is that your opinion? And hell, it's only Britain, nothing to see here... move on... testy aren't we?

Thanks to Sarah and Glenn, it's now "cool" to quit on your country.

re: #81 Cineaste

So leadership means running headlong into situations based on your "gut"? Just because you're running in front doesn't mean you're leading...

Ask Obdicut, he made the statements, not me. Confusing, isn't it?

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I don't think he's great at it. I think he's showing leadership, of a middling variety in military affairs. It's just a matter of scale; he's not great at it, but he's not an incompetent.

I'm assuming you disagree.

re: #83 Obdicut

Absolutely. Obama did manage to open up VA rolls a little but it's not nearly enough.

Especially, I wish more attention was paid to the wounded soldiers. I feel they get ignored, sometimes, with the media concentrating on the dead, only.

And during the Bush administration, you progressives were complaining that the dead were not paid enough attention too. Make up your mind.

Keep your stories straight. It makes you look sillier and sillier.

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Proof or is that your opinion? And hell, it's only Britain, nothing to see here... move on... testy aren't we?

Really, you don't know what suspicion means? Come on, you're better than that!

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Are you, um, treating me as though I represent "the progressives", and asking me to explain something that I never said?

I've been pretty consistently angry at the media for only focusing on the dead and not the wounded for quite awhile now, actually.

re: #87 Obdicut

I don't think he's great at it. I think he's showing leadership, of a middling variety in military affairs. It's just a matter of scale; he's not great at it, but he's not an incompetent.

I'm assuming you disagree.

I'm assuming you just described a maybe-he-is-a-good-leader-some-of-the-time-but-I'm-not-really-sure-but-I-can-only-hope-kind-of-leader.

Re-Read your glowing praise of Obama? LOL.

re: #90 Obdicut

Are you, um, treating me as though I represent "the progressives", and asking me to explain something that I never said?

I've been pretty consistently angry at the media for only focusing on the dead and not the wounded for quite awhile now, actually.

Yes.

re: #85 Sharmuta

Thanks to Sarah and Glenn, it's now "cool" to quit on your country.

It's 'okay' to quit on your country if you're Rep and there's a Dem in 1600.
It's 'okay' to quit on your country if you're a Dem and there's a Rep in 1600.

Second verse, same as the first, little bit louder and a little bit worse.

I'd prefer lack of hypocrisy and consistent good citizenship.
I don't think I'm in the minority either, except maybe in DC.

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

re: #52 Charles

I have seen some of the alleged "conclusions" out there on the blogs. Very specific in certain instances. I have no faith in it as it is a poisoned source. I wish I had the IT/software skills to take it apart on a more specific basis. Just not my skill set. Would anyone walk through any of it with me, offline?

No time for offline chats, but I think it's well established now that the material is genuine and unaltered. At least a couple of the email authors involved have confirmed that the letters are legitimate, including the one involving the application of "tricks" to the data. Someone posted a NYT article with an interview, in which the author explains his message.

What's this CRU business all about? Can someone direct me please?

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

Ask Obdicut, he made the statements, not me. Confusing, isn't it?

Not confused. Reread what you wrote.

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

BUSH BUSH BUSH... it's almost funny isn't it, the dems try to block Bush for 8 years from doing what needs to be done, and no, you got a Dem in there and what do you do, blame it on Bush.

Sorry, you progressives have put up roadblocks every step of the way...

But let's have an ally weight in...

Bob Ainsworth, the defence secretary, has blamed Barack Obama and the United States for the decline in British public support for the war in Afghanistan.

Have you seen this?

Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth 'unfit to lead war'

By Tim Shipman and Kirsty Walker
Last updated at 10:23 AM on 14th August 2009

Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth was branded unfit to lead the war in Afghanistan yesterday after calling the public 'defeatist' about the conflict with the Taliban.

Mr Ainsworth, who has been blamed for failing to supply the necessary helicopters, armoured vehicles and reinforcements to take on the Taliban, attacked those who have dared to criticise the Government for turning the war into a 'political football'.

But former commanders and MPs said Mr Ainsworth's comments were ' ludicrous' and said public doubts about the war were the fault of ministers who have failed to give the troops what they need and have not explained the Armed Forces' mission.

SNIP

test

re: #95 Boogberg

Nevermind. I remember now. The server hacking thing.

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

I'm assuming you just described a maybe-he-is-a-good-leader-some-of-the-time-but-I'm -not-really-sure-but-I-can-only-hope-kind-of-leade r.

Re-Read your glowing praise of Obama? LOL.

No, I meant more of a McClellan, though not politically, of course.

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Yes.

Well, a progressive wouldn't consider me progressive, and asking me to explain positions I never held isn't going to really go anywhere.

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

Should have just killed the terrorists outright and hanged them from the same bridge. Solved. No need to fill out paperwork. Go back to camp, prepare for the next day and kill even more of the bad guys. If we did that instead of our collective wussie hand wringing back home, these two campaigns would have ended long ago.

Mwahaha. All your candy turkeys belong to us.

(Yes, I know some are mutants. I let the boys make them.)
Check icon.

re: #97 Gus 802

No I didn't, interesting.

The Brits have someone unfit to lead the war, we have someone unfit to lead the war, damn, we are in a lot of trouble.

re: #93 transient

I'd prefer lack of hypocrisy and consistent good citizenship.
I don't think I'm in the minority either, except maybe in DC.

Integrity is sorely lacking in public service, it seems. Pity.

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

No I didn't, interesting.

The Brits have someone unfit to lead the war, we have someone unfit to lead the war, damn, we are in a lot of trouble.

Gets even stranger.

Bob Ainsworth - Early life

Ainsworth was born in Coventry and attended the local Foxford Comprehensive School. He first became active in politics as a trade unionist at the Jaguar Cars plant in Coventry where he worked and served in many union capacities, including as Branch President (in what was later to become part of the Manufacturing, Science and Finance union). At this time he attended "a couple" of International Marxist Group meetings before deciding not to pursue an interest in the group. In 1984, he was elected to Coventry City Council, became Chair of the Finance Committee, and was deputy leader of the ruling Labour group. He was also Constituency Labour Party Chairman.

Labour Party member with no military experience. Former factory worker turned labor leader and then professional politician.

Might be some kind of power struggle going on here. Might be that Ainsworth is trying to deflect UK criticism by blaming Obama.

re: #100 Obdicut

No, I meant more of a McClellan, though not politically, of course... Well, a progressive wouldn't consider me progressive, and asking me to explain positions I never held isn't going to really go anywhere.

Let's keep it in this century (McClellan, really). And I listen to your positions all the time when you are posting, I understand what you say, you know, reading is comprehension.

re: #105 Gus 802

Labour Party member with no military experience. Former factory worker turned labor leader and then professional politician.

Might be some kind of power struggle going on here. Might be that Ainsworth is trying to deflect UK criticism by blaming Obama.

Look, someone put him in that position, I have enough hassle trying to keep up with our own jerks.

re: #104 Sharmuta

Integrity is sorely lacking in public service, it seems. Pity.

I think when common sense died, it dragged integrity into the grave with it...and lack of it has become precisely the wage of politicians in this country...if you have it, you're goin nowhere son

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

Look, someone put him in that position, I have enough hassle trying to keep up with our own jerks.

That would have been Gordon Brown. Who of course has been doing his own saber dance with Obama from time to time.

I know what you mean about keeping up. In retrospect, overall I think our own Secretary Gates is doing a fine job.

re: #108 albusteve

I think when common sense died, it dragged integrity into the grave with it...and lack of it has become precisely the wage of politicians in this country...if you have it, you're goin nowhere son

If you have it, you are never going to get near Washington, rest assured. And if you do manage to slip in some way, you'll be gone before a single term is up.

Lou Dobbs also wants all U.S. forces (everywhere) pulled out -- including closing all overseas military bases...(In some of this, both Beck and Dobbs, seem to mimic the more radical Leftists. Although I believe their stated reasons differ.)

as soon as I get permission to leave North Korea, I'm heading for Jamaica

Hey, speaking of Britain and Afghanistan, just looked over at Michael Yon's site and he has a new post up.

Afghan Ideas from Great Britain

24 November 2009

Adam Holloway, a British Member of Parliament, sent this PDF yesterday evening. Mr. Holloway is definitely worth reading and considering.

I will land in Dubai on Thanksgiving evening, and from there push to Afghanistan.

Happy Holidays,

Michael

re: #112 albusteve

as soon as I get permission to leave North Korea, I'm heading for Jamaica

LOL

Can't speak to what conditions are like in VA hospitals these days, but years ago, VA surgeons and the VA system saved my life.

As to the topic at hand, I say let Glenn Beck have all the rope he wants... enough even to hang himself with.
Let him play this persona out as far as he can go with it and maybe he'll get a clue when it all falls down around him.

re: #113 Gus 802

There's also an inquiry going on...about Iraq...(lots of hideous stuff coming to the fore).

re: #111 J.S.

Lou Dobbs also wants all U.S. forces (everywhere) pulled out -- including closing all overseas military bases...(In some of this, both Beck and Dobbs, seem to mimic the more radical Leftists. Although I believe their stated reasons differ.)

people are just becoming pissed with the whole thing...years of disenchantment with Iraq by the left...the whole notion of us protecting Europe...Korean and Japanese kids who despise us...it's all coming to a head

re: #116 J.S.

There's also an inquiry going on...about Iraq...(lots of hideous stuff coming to the fore).

Congressional?

re: #118 Gus 802

Congressional?

Federal court.

re: #115 Capitalist Tool

Can't speak to what conditions are like in VA hospitals these days, but years ago, VA surgeons and the VA system saved my life.

As to the topic at hand, I say let Glenn Beck have all the rope he wants... enough even to hang himself with.
Let him play this persona out as far as he can go with it and maybe he'll get a clue when it all falls down around him.

he probably owns a bank in the Caymens...he won't fall hard, spend his days in the sun and his nights in the casinos

Glenn Beck is the Republican Keith Olbermann.

Speaking of Olbermann, can we begin the nominations for the Fiskie? I think Glenn is a shoo-in.

re: #119 Sharmuta

Federal court.

Oh, that. I know what you mean.

Crazyman Fenstermaker.

re: #122 Gus 802

I was just trying for some snark.

re: #123 Sharmuta

I was just trying for some snark.

bulls eye

re: #118 Gus 802

It's a panel of investigation which was spear-headed by Gordon Brown (he's now the Prime Minister, and is Labour Party leader). The investigation is about how the UK got drawn into the Iraq war (they may even be calling up Tony Blair).

re: #121 Alouette

Glenn Beck is the Republican Keith Olbermann.

Speaking of Olbermann, can we begin the nominations for the Fiskie? I think Glenn is a shoo-in.

Why would you dump on Olbermann like that? Obdicut, what do you think of Olbermann?

re: #118 Gus 802

they've released videos of how British soldiers treated Iraqi captives (not good...)

re: #123 Sharmuta

I was just trying for some snark.

Hows your cat? (Oh, I was so tempted at a little humor there. The Imp of the Perverse sat on my shoulder and whispered into my ear, but I resisted.)

To: Glenn Beck
From: talon_262

F**k off...this just shows that you (and right-wing wingnut kooks like you) really don't give a shit about the American soldier unless you can get some political capital or make some money off of it. There's a term for people like you, people that only support your chosen group when things are going your way, bailing out on them when things don't go the way you like...to borrow the sports term, you are a "fair-weather fan" of the military.

Only thing is, Glenn, is that the military isn't a sports team you can just rag on or drop your support whenever they get on a "losing streak" or the "coaches" don't meet with your favor...unlike with sports, our military is in a life-and-death situation every day they're out in the field on deployment. Dissing them by trying to persuade them to not re-enlist because you don't like President Obama's policies is crass, classless, and disrespectful to those in the military.

In short, Glenn, you can stick your "support" for the military (or lack thereof) where the sun don't shine, because it's all just words to you...

re: #127 J.S.

they've released videos of how British soldiers treated Iraqi captives (not good...)

their very own Fatlipgate...how nice

re: #104 Sharmuta

Integrity is sorely lacking in public service, it seems. Pity.

From what I've seen, it's always been this way and likely will remain so.
We humans a dumb and crazy bunch, when you get right down to it.

Not defending BECK, because he should have kept his pie hole shut about this, but he adviced his nephew, not soldierS

That stated, you can extrapolate from what he said that he would advise ANY soldier the same, but he was talking close to home (too close,, hence me saying he should have kept his yap shut about it because it should have stayed as a personal conversation he had with his nephew)

Commence The Down Dings!!!
/(last sentence)

re: #125 J.S.

It's a panel of investigation which was spear-headed by Gordon Brown (he's now the Prime Minister, and is Labour Party leader). The investigation is about how the UK got drawn into the Iraq war (they may even be calling up Tony Blair).

Reading now and of all things now some are trying to accuse him of a cover-up. Back and forth they go. Must be a world wide trend to send mixed signals. I guess they're trying to appease their way through their political careers.

re: #132 sattv4u2

Not defending BECK, because he should have kept his pie hole shut about this, but he adviced his nephew, not soldierS

That stated, you can extrapolate from what he said that he would advise ANY soldier the same, but he was talking close to home (too close,, hence me saying he should have kept his yap shut about it because it should have stayed as a personal conversation he had with his nephew)

Commence The Down Dings!!!
/(last sentence)

Uh, no. When he recites this story to millions of listeners, he's no longer simply "advising his nephew."

re: #132 sattv4u2

Not defending BECK, because he should have kept his pie hole shut about this, but he adviced his nephew, not soldierS

That stated, you can extrapolate from what he said that he would advise ANY soldier the same, but he was talking close to home (too close,, hence me saying he should have kept his yap shut about it because it should have stayed as a personal conversation he had with his nephew)

Commence The Down Dings!!!
/(last sentence)

I didn't even SEE the nephew...maybe the MICROPHONE was in the way,,,

re: #130 albusteve

their very own Fatlipgate...how nice

I love the neologism of "gate".

When I got home today I discovered my dog had engaged in what we're going to refer to as "carpet-gate".

Nixon must be so proud.

re: #125 J.S.

It's a panel of investigation which was spear-headed by Gordon Brown (he's now the Prime Minister, and is Labour Party leader). The investigation is about how the UK got drawn into the Iraq war (they may even be calling up Tony Blair).

Ring Ring ,,,Ring Ring

"Hello?"

"Yes, ,is the Tony Blair"
"yes it is"
"hey Tony, this is George Bush. I was wondering if you were doing anything this weekend"
"No George, I'm not"
"Great,,, what say we go to war"
"I'm SO there!!"

re: #135 wrenchwench

maybe the MICROPHONE was in the way,,,

That seems to happen a lot with Glenn. Sometimes the $$ signs get in the way, too.

re: #134 Charles

Uh, no. When he recites this story to millions of listeners, he's no longer simply "advising his nephew."

I think I clearly stated that

re: #132 sattv4u2

Not defending BECK, because he should have kept his pie hole shut about this, but he adviced his nephew, not soldierS

That stated, you can extrapolate from what he said that he would advise ANY soldier the same, but he was talking close to home (too close,, hence me saying he should have kept his yap shut about it because it should have stayed as a personal conversation he had with his nephew)

Commence The Down Dings!!!
/(last sentence)

Oh come on. You're just being thick. He said it as a personal passion-play on the air, as a clarion call to his numbed followers to head and take up.

re: #130 albusteve

Yep. I suspect it may have to do with the animosity Gordon Brown has for Tony Blair (they're both in the Labour Party -- but they don't like each other). And this political gamesmanship is going to cost Britain, I fear...but probably not in the way these two dorks figure.

re: #140 Cineaste

Oh come on. You're just being thick. He said it as a personal passion-play on the air, as a clarion call to his numbed followers to head and take up.

How nice. Thanks!

re: #136 Cineaste

I love the neologism of "gate".

When I got home today I discovered my dog had engaged in what we're going to refer to as "carpet-gate".

Nixon must be so proud.

uh oh...maybe he was just excited to see you?...or did it actually eat the carpet like my dog did...ripping huge swaths off the floor etc (she ate my driveway too...no shit)

re: #138 transient

That seems to happen a lot with Glenn. Sometimes the $$ signs get in the way, too.

with Rush it's usually the piles of oxy in the way...

re: #144 Cineaste

with Rush it's usually the piles of oxy in the way...

To each his oxymoron.

re: #143 albusteve

uh oh...maybe he was just excited to see you?...or did it actually eat the carpet like my dog did...ripping huge swaths off the floor etc (she ate my driveway too...no shit)

nah - sadly, she has separation anxiety and was left alone too long. she has a pad, and is fine with containing #1 on that but when it's time to drop the kids off at the pool, she loves the corner of the carpet.

Infuriating.

re: #145 transient

Lol! :D

re: #146 Cineaste

nah - sadly, she has separation anxiety and was left alone too long. she has a pad, and is fine with containing #1 on that but when it's time to drop the kids off at the pool, she loves the corner of the carpet.

Infuriating.

get rid of the kids...problem solved

re: #143 albusteve

uh oh...maybe he was just excited to see you?...or did it actually eat the carpet like my dog did...ripping huge swaths off the floor etc (she ate my driveway too...no shit)

and ps: how does a dog eat one's driveway? Are you raising Cujo?

re: #139 sattv4u2

I think I clearly stated that

I think you said it could be extrapolated that he was talking to more than his nephew. Whereas, actually, it could be heard. And since we have video, it could also be seen.

re: #148 albusteve

get rid of the kids...problem solved

I was using "dropping the kids off at the pool" as a euphamism for what the dog did on the carpet. eww.

re: #140 Cineaste

Oh come on. You're just being thick. He said it as a personal passion-play on the air, as a clarion call to his numbed followers to head and take up.

re: #144 Cineaste

with Rush it's usually the piles of oxy in the way...

What makes you think that personal attacks make your points any more valid. I didn't see sattv4u2 dumping on you personally?

re: #150 wrenchwench

I think you said it could be extrapolated that he was talking to more than his nephew. Whereas, actually, it could be heard. And since we have video, it could also be seen.

Yes, it could be! I'm sure many soldiers hearing that said "F*** you, Beck, you're nephew is a wuss" while others may have said" I wish I had an uncle like that"

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

What makes you think that personal attacks make your points any more valid. I didn't see sattv4u2 dumping on you personally?

n/p,,, but thanks

re: #151 Cineaste

I was using "dropping the kids off at the pool" as a euphamism for what the dog did on the carpet. eww.

oh my, that's vulgar

re: #137 sattv4u2

Basically, that's it. Gordon Brown needs to pin the War in Iraq on Tony Blair (and that is because Tony Blair was George Bush's poodle, etc.) (it's a political "gotcha game." Very similar to the refrain of "Woe is me, for I have inherited..." [fill in the blank])

re: #156 J.S.

Basically, that's it. Gordon Brown needs to pin the War in Iraq on Tony Blair (and that is because Tony Blair was George Bush's poodle, etc.) (it's a political "gotcha game." Very similar to the refrain of "Woe is me, for I have inherited..." [fill in the blank])

Yeah, but did Tony ever make a mess on the carpet?

/Just trying to tie two threads together...

Good news from Brazil ... the regular folks staged a rally against dinnerjacket, some waving Israeli flags:

[Link: media.nationalreview.com...]

Good for them!

re: #157 transient

Yeah, but did Tony ever make a mess on the carpet?

/Just trying to tie two threads together...

Keep doing that an in no time you'll knit a sweater

(or a snuggly!! "Granma ,, why is your bathrobe on backwards!?!?!"

re: #157 transient

Ah, Tony was a well-trained poodle...(with only the ocassional lapse..)

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

What makes you think that personal attacks make your points any more valid. I didn't see sattv4u2 dumping on you personally?

1) Satt was being thick. He knew it, hence all the pseudo-disclaimers. Hell, if you genuinely think something, say it. If he thinks I'm being thick, he should say it. I'm not "dumping" on him.

2) I was making a joke about the joke of a man that is Rush Limbaugh. I have no problems mocking his hypocritical drug addiction and subsequent treatment.

re: #161 Cineaste

1) Satt was being thick. He knew it, hence all the pseudo-disclaimers. Hell, if you genuinely think something, say it. If he thinks I'm being thick, he should say it. I'm not "dumping" on him.

2) I was making a joke about the joke of a man that is Rush Limbaugh. I have no problems mocking his hypocritical drug addiction and subsequent treatment.

Thanks again!

re: #158 _RememberTonyC

Good news from Brazil ... the regular folks staged a rally against dinnerjacket, some waving Israeli flags:

[Link: media.nationalreview.com...]

Good for them!

I remember seeing a Jm Post headline on this several days ago, "hundreds rally against Ahmadinejad." I don't consider "hundreds" to be all that impressive. OTOH, viewing your link, it's certainly positive that gays came out in support of Israel, as opposed to the US where they often, incomprehensibly, support the Palestinians, despite the fact that Israel is tolerant of gays where the Arab world is not.

Queen never did it so welll!!

Bohemian Rhapsody,,,

re: #161 Cineaste

1) Satt was being thick. He knew it, hence all the pseudo-disclaimers. Hell, if you genuinely think something, say it. If he thinks I'm being thick, he should say it. I'm not "dumping" on him.

2) I was making a joke about the joke of a man that is Rush Limbaugh. I have no problems mocking his hypocritical drug addiction and subsequent treatment.

1) Lizards try to keep it civil (but you don't have to)

2) Evidently you don't. I find that to be a standard leftist tactic. I shouldn't have been surprised. We saw a prime example of that here two nights ago. I just keep hoping that it will change. I apologize for making a point of it.

re: #153 sattv4u2

Yes, it could be! I'm sure many soldiers hearing that said "F*** you, Beck, you're nephew is a wuss" while others may have said" I wish I had an uncle like that"

Would lay odds that the initial reaction of most soldiers would be what you ascribed to "many" and the rest would soon draw that conclusion after they hear their buddies spouting off about Beck, that douchebag.

re: #162 sattv4u2

Thanks again!

Welcome! Don't take it personally. You knew you were making a bad argument, hence all the "not defending," "because he," and "that stated" phrases.

I acknowledged yesterday in a thread that I was making a dickish argument about something and, frankly, if someone called me a dick over it they would have been right. I was pot-stirring and I owned it.

Beck could use the sarcasm defense, but I think the left wore that one out.

re: #164 sattv4u2

Queen never did it so welll!!

Bohemian Rhapsody,,,

No idea what this is sequitur to, but Bo Rhap always gets an upding! Great song.

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

1) Lizards try to keep it civil (but you don't have to)

I don't think I was uncivil, it wasn't my intention. I was saying he was making a self-consciously thick argument and hence he was being thick. That being said, if there was any offense, then I apologize and I should have phrased it more delicately.

2) Evidently you don't. I find that to be a standard leftist tactic. I shouldn't have been surprised. We saw a prime example of that here two nights ago. I just keep hoping that it will change. I apologize for making a point of it.

When it comes to Rush I feel that it's mostly "Petard, meet hoist..."

Beck's comment was completely wrong in every possible way it could be wrong.

re: #171 Capitalist Tool

Beck's comment was completely wrong in every possible way it could be wrong.

Internal consistency is his one virtue?

re: #172 transient

Internal consistency is his one virtue?

I take it you mean he is always full o' shit.

re: #167 Cineaste

Welcome! Don't take it personally. You knew you were making a bad argument, hence all the "not defending," "because he," and "that stated" phrases.

I acknowledged yesterday in a thread that I was making a dickish argument about something and, frankly, if someone called me a dick over it they would have been right. I was pot-stirring and I owned it.

Thats where you would be wrong. The headline on this thread states Glenn Beck to SoldierS
He was relaying a convo he had with a SOLDIER (singular)((his nephew)). I don't think he should have done it and clearly without equivocation stated that. I further surmised that it COULD be extrapolated to soldierS (plural)

But thanks again (again)

re: #169 transient

No idea what this is sequitur to, but Bo Rhap always gets an upding! Great song.

did you see the link?

re: #170 Cineaste

I don't think I was uncivil, it wasn't my intention. I was saying he was making a self-consciously thick argument...

LOL. Even in your "apology," you keep repeating how "thick" sattv4u2 is. Love the irony. Don't you? That's sort of like saying "I'm sorry your a fucking asshole."

(On view, for all the public to see.)

re: #175 sattv4u2

did you see the link?

LOL.
Did now.

re: #167 Cineaste

Welcome! Don't take it personally. You knew you were making a bad argument, hence all the "not defending," "because he," and "that stated" phrases.

I acknowledged yesterday in a thread that I was making a dickish argument about something and, frankly, if someone called me a dick over it they would have been right. I was pot-stirring and I owned it.

I'm not sure what you are saying..Are you equating a bad argument to stirring a shit pot? I'm not sure here...But i prefer an honest personal view to a dickish argument...
One comes from the heart..One comes from the dick...
You pick

the one thing Queen did that was excellent...

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

Hows your cat? (Oh, I was so tempted at a little humor there. The Imp of the Perverse sat on my shoulder and whispered into my ear, but I resisted.)

Stinky's been taken to the local animal hospital by animal control. :(

I'll try to get an update on him Friday, but he needed more care than I could give him, and I thought this was best. He will get the care he needs and his owners will have 5 days to claim him. After that, he'll be put up for adoption, and I'm certain he'll get a good home quickly. The hospital has an excellent reputation, so I know they'll do what they can for him.

re: #178 HoosierHoops

I'm not sure what you are saying..Are you equating a bad argument to stirring a shit pot? I'm not sure here...But i prefer an honest personal view to a dickish argument...
One comes from the heart..One comes from the dick...
You pick

I could have picked my dick? NOW you tell me!!!
/

re: #180 Sharmuta

Stinky's been taken to the local animal hospital by animal control. :(

I'll try to get an update on him Friday, but he needed more care than I could give him, and I thought this was best. He will get the care he needs and his owners will have 5 days to claim him. After that, he'll be put up for adoption, and I'm certain he'll get a good home quickly. The hospital has an excellent reputation, so I know they'll do what they can for him.

Have you posted signs? Asked around to kids? (they usually know who has what pets in the neighborhood)

re: #164 sattv4u2

Queen never did it so welll!!

Bohemian Rhapsody,,,

[Video]

Hahaaah! That's awesome. :D

See if you can get this one out of your head tonight:

Manamana.
Bwaaahahahaha

re: #174 sattv4u2

So by your reasoning, you should believe that the charges brought against the Seals should be not viewed as re: #178 HoosierHoops

But i prefer an honest personal view to a dickish argument...

I think he was making a disingenuous statement but hey, that might be just me.

re: #180 Sharmuta

Stinky's been taken to the local animal hospital by animal control. :(

I'll try to get an update on him Friday, but he needed more care than I could give him, and I thought this was best. He will get the care he needs and his owners will have 5 days to claim him. After that, he'll be put up for adoption, and I'm certain he'll get a good home quickly. The hospital has an excellent reputation, so I know they'll do what they can for him.

Good, good, good... post an update when you can, please...

Speaking of Pets and Kids

re: #180 Sharmuta

Oh dear...sorry to hear that he was sick;...but, probably, in the long run, it's for the best...

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

LOL. Even in your "apology," you keep repeating how "thick" sattv4u2 is. Love the irony. Don't you? That's sort of like saying "I'm sorry your a fucking asshole."

(On view, for all the public to see.)

So by that logic one couldn't say that an argument is foolish without calling the arguer a fool. So too a stupid argument, a bad argument, and on and on. I am saying now, that I maintain that it was a thick argument however, I apologize for calling him thick as a person.

Better?

re: #184 Cineaste

So by your reasoning, you should believe that the charges brought against the Seals should be not viewed as re: #178 HoosierHoops

I think he was making a disingenuous statement but hey, that might be just me.

I have no idea what the highlighted means
Sorry ,,, guess I'm being thick again!

re: #183 Boogberg

Hahaaah! That's awesome. :D

See if you can get this one out of your head tonight:

Manamana.
Bwaaahahahaha

a classic!

re: #189 sattv4u2

I have no idea what the highlighted means
Sorry ,,, guess I'm being thick again!

Nope, that was me combining two different statements. What happens when you hit quote on two different messages in a thread without first emptying the box.

re: #186 sattv4u2

LOL! The dog's eye was saying, "Put the camera down and get him OFF me!" (Of course, I was extrapolating.)

re: #191 Cineaste

Nope, that was me combining two different statements. What happens when you hit quote on two different messages in a thread without first emptying the box.

Been There
Done That
Got the PIMF T Shirt

(it's still unused, however!)
((thickness, you know))

re: #192 wrenchwench

LOL! The dog's eye was saying, "Put the camera down and get him OFF me!" (Of course, I was extrapolating.)

upding ,,, well played

re: #186 sattv4u2

Sorry, kitty lovers. No way you can top that!

Dog lovers unite! :D

re: #151 Cineaste

I was using "dropping the kids off at the pool" as a euphamism for what the dog did on the carpet. eww.

Somebody else who has seen the South Park Apeecalypse.

re: #188 Cineaste

So by that logic one couldn't say that an argument is foolish without calling the arguer a fool. So too a stupid argument, a bad argument, and on and on. I am saying now, that I maintain that it was a thick argument however, I apologize for calling him thick as a person.

Better?

Yes, that was my point.

LMAO!

In response to "Pox News," "Sesame Street" introduces Spill O'Reilly

With video. Bill calls Spill "aggressive".

re: #184 Cineaste

So by your reasoning, you should believe that the charges brought against the Seals should be not viewed as re: #178 HoosierHoops

I think he was making a disingenuous statement but hey, that might be just me.

Well let's just clear the air..I'm late to this so I may be wrong...
3 seals will be tried for giving a most wanted terrorist a bloody lip..
I'm sorry..My son showed me pictures on his thumb drive of a firefight in Fallujah where the militants put women and children in front of them for protection.. Every one of them died a violent death...
Now this guy is worried about a bloody lip? My son will live the rest of his life haunted by killing babies with his Saw gun...And we have a murderous thug worried about a bloody lip? Something isn't right here...And I think everyone damn well knows it...

re: #193 sattv4u2

Been There
Done That
Got the PIMF T Shirt

(it's still unused, however!)
((thickness, you know))

I need one of those...

Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick

re: #188 Cineaste

So by that logic one couldn't say that an argument is foolish without calling the arguer a fool

Quite the contrary, actually
You can say one used bad reasoning without calling them bad. One used a foolish sentence without being a fool.

re: #183 Boogberg

Doot dooo doo doo doo

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Doot dooo doo doo doo

And his cousin Doobey doobey doo!

re: #199 HoosierHoops

That's a different subject, but I appreciate your sentiment. The question of the SEALs was on another thread as I recall and thus, I didn't want to dive back in because I realized it didn't belong here. Unfortunately, I screwed up and didn't preview...

re: #204 sattv4u2

Roooby doooby doo to you.

re: #205 Cineaste

That's a different subject, but I appreciate your sentiment. The question of the SEALs was on another thread as I recall and thus, I didn't want to dive back in because I realized it didn't belong here. Unfortunately, I screwed up and didn't preview...

Fair enough..Have a Happy Thanksgiving...

re: #202 sattv4u2

So by that logic one couldn't say that an argument is foolish without calling the arguer a fool

Quite the contrary, actually
You can say one used bad reasoning without calling them bad. One used a foolish sentence without being a fool.

But Walter was hopping mad that I said I should not have called you thick, but rather the argument was thick (IMHO). Walter's #176:

LOL. Even in your "apology," you keep repeating how "thick" sattv4u2 is. Love the irony. Don't you? That's sort of like saying "I'm sorry your a fucking asshole."

(On view, for all the public to see.)

re: #208 Cineaste

Yes ,, and I was bolstering Walters sentiment
1+1=7 BAD math
Does that make ME "bad"?

sattv? I'm meeting rwdflynavy for drinks at nine.

heh

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

sattv? I'm meeting rwdflynavy for drinks at nine.

heh

making him pay?
OR
you gonna NOT show up like you DIDN"T show up for me!?!?!

re: #209 sattv4u2

Yes ,, and I was bolstering Walters sentiment
1+1=7 BAD math
Does that make ME "bad"?

Of course not. I was saying that I revised my comment to say that I thought the argument was thick and I apologized for calling you thick. Walter then got upset that the word "thick" still was in my discussion and I pointed out that we can describe the argument separate from the person and I should have done that.

Wonder if any of the doom and gloom Health Care reform advocates have seen this?
20 Advances to Be Thankful For Life Is Getting Measurably Better for Many People Here and Abroad
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

re: #208 Cineaste

But Walter was hopping mad that I said I should not have called you thick, but rather the argument was thick (IMHO). Walter's #176:

There we go again adding unfounded layers of opinion the the discussion and presenting them as facts.

"Hopping mad." How do you know if I'm mad, happy, sad, or laughing my ass off at you?

Same old tactics, gets boring.

re: #198 Sharmuta

LMAO!

In response to "Pox News," "Sesame Street" introduces Spill O'Reilly

With video. Bill calls Spill "aggressive".

Now that's funny. Conservatives have been pretty short on humor these days. It's nice to see that they can still relax enough to laugh at themselves a little bit.

Glenn Beck uses hyperbole to make a point.
He is making a broader statement about the way in which the military has been smeared by more than a few politicians in recent years and how failure to 'commit' that which is needed to win costs lives and prevents us from 'winning' (pick your war).
Glenn Beck is an American Patriot.
There is a lot of 'group-speak' here attacking Beck, almost daily ad hominem attacks. I sincerely wonder if half the knee-jerk attackers even bother to read or 'hear' Beck in full context.
Attack the message by taking-on the message; if Beck is 'nuts' or a 'whack job' explain why.

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

There we go again adding unfounded layers of opinion the the discussion and presenting them as facts.

"Hopping mad." How do you know if I'm mad, happy, sad, or laughing my ass off at you?

Same old tactics, gets boring.

I noticed you left off HOPPING. So he was at least partially right ,,, you ARE hopping

/

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

"Hopping mad." How do you know if I'm mad, happy, sad, or laughing my ass off at you?

Same old tactics, gets boring.

We just consider you hatter mad and leave it at that, 'cause we are, too.
/

re: #211 sattv4u2

I'll show up for him...

/heh

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll show up for him...

/heh

Will you tell him Hi for me? Have fun

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll show up for him...

/heh

you ARE a BASTARD!

re: #216 spinmore

Attack the message by taking-on the message; if Beck is 'nuts' or a 'whack job' explain why.

He's nuts, in this circumstance, because he's discouraging people from joining the military.

re: #212 Cineaste

Of course not. I was saying that I revised my comment to say that I thought the argument was thick and I apologized for calling you thick. Walter then got upset that the word "thick" still was in my discussion and I pointed out that we can describe the argument separate from the person and I should have done that.

Again, I was not mad, I was not upset, I was just pointing something out. Stop assuming my moods for me. Do you do that live, in front of other people, because it must annoy them to no end?

re: #215 Killgore Trout

Now that's funny. Conservatives have been pretty short on humor these days. It's nice to see that they can still relax enough to laugh at themselves a little bit.

I laugh at my self all the time.

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Again, I was not mad, I was not upset, I was just pointing something out. Stop assuming my moods for me. Do you do that live, in front of other people, because it must annoy them to no end?

I give wet willies when I want to annoy someone live!

I've treid it on the dead, but they don;t seem to mind!

"The Obama administration is seeking to reverse a federal appeals court decision that dramatically narrows the government’s search-and-seizure powers in the digital age. Solicitor General Elena Kagan and Justice Department officials are asking the 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals to reconsider its August ruling that federal prosecutors went too far when seizing 104 professional baseball players’ drug results when they had a warrant for just 10. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

When slashdot says "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" about Obama, you know this number are going down.

re: #217 sattv4u2

I noticed you left off HOPPING. So he was at least partially right ,,, you ARE hopping

/

Er. no I'm not. What did you mean by that?

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

Er. no I'm not. What did you mean by that?

he said HOPPING mad. You refuted the MAD, but not the HOPPING ,

oh ,, nevahmind!
//

re: #215 Killgore Trout

Now that's funny. Conservatives have been pretty short on humor these days. It's nice to see that they can still relax enough to laugh at themselves a little bit.

I think it's a little sad "Big Hollywood" didn't get the grouch joke, but it was funny to see Bill interacting with his own muppet. Who wouldn't be flattered?

re: #226 Yankee Division Son

Que "slashdot"?

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

I laugh at my self all the time.

If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

re: #216 spinmore

I do listen from Beck from time to time. And he makes some great points. The histrionics are embarrassing.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell

I would appreciate it if he would not try to talk the rough men from their posts.

re: #17 MandyManners

What the fuck? How dare you trash our servicemembers?

As an Army officer myself, I will say two things: 1) Our troops are the equal of those in any era in history, and 2) Not all troopers are honorable. We have paid the price for lowering our standards so that people with criminal convictions are still allowed in. Sometimes they can reform themselves admirably, but too often they are the problem children for their unit commanders and seriously damage the morale of the unit.

Again - the overwhelming majority of Servicemembers are decent, honorable folk. Not all though. That's why we need a UCMJ.

re: #231 Sharmuta

If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

Oh really, you don't want me to make a list? I would probably start pissing off a whole lot of people. :)

re: #231 Sharmuta

If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

SpaceJesus?

re: #222 Obdicut

He's nuts, in this circumstance, because he's discouraging people from joining the military.

Glenn Beck is saying exactly what most every 'military' family is saying:
'We should get the job done, or get the f*#k out'
'Give the General what he needs, or bring our boys/gals home'
. . . Don't make this something it isn't (I'm not buying it)

re: #231 Sharmuta

If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

Walter!
//

re: #228 sattv4u2

he said HOPPING mad. You refuted the MAD, but not the HOPPING ,

oh ,, nevahmind!
//

Are you gonna wind up spending some time at your Colorado installation, or is that not happening?

re: #101 borgcube

Should have just killed the terrorists outright and hanged them from the same bridge. Solved. No need to fill out paperwork. Go back to camp, prepare for the next day and kill even more of the bad guys. If we did that instead of our collective wussie hand wringing back home, these two campaigns would have ended long ago.

This seems like a rather simplistic, rage-based way of letting our enemy dictate our very own tactics, behavior, integrity and honor. In other words, I disagree because your plan strikes me as both counter productive and corruptive of America's previously established national morality. There was no need for them to lie. Being lied to pisses off one's chain of command, and for very good reason.

re: #230 sattv4u2

Que "slashdot"?

Slashdot.

re: #237 sattv4u2

Walter!
//

You're really asking for it, aren't you? Maybe an email, with an attachment and a little gift... hahahahahaha...

re: #236 spinmore

Glenn Beck is saying exactly what most every 'military' family is saying:
'We should get the job done, or get the f*#k out'
'Give the General what he needs, or bring our boys/gals home'
. . . Don't make this something it isn't (I'm not buying it)

I do not think you should speak for military families. I do think you are right that Beck is trying to get the families of the troops deployed to be less supportive of their service and encourage them not to re-enlist. I think that's an awful thing to do.

BTW...how's Kos taking the news that some Navy SEALS gave one of his heroes a split lip?

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Are you gonna wind up spending some time at your Colorado installation, or is that not happening?

Still up in the air
His funeral was last week and my boss (the manager of the facility I'm at) has been out there since then for the funeral and to lend a hand. Last I heard they are trying to recruit someone from our old 'home" office in Tulsa because they have more staff than we do. If I were to go to Denver for the short term it would leave Atlanta a little short and the my boss would have to fill in for me lots of days

re: #77 Cineaste

Attacking Walter personally doesn't make a point. The British sec was pissed or he wouldn't have said it. That's merely a fact that Walter used to demonstrate his point that it's not only we on the US right that think Obama's not displaying clear leadership on multiple fronts.

re: #240 Yankee Division Son

Slashdot.

I could have doen that
What I meant was, is (s)he a big Obama supporter that is now jumping off the bus?

re: #244 sattv4u2

Still up in the air
His funeral was last week and my boss (the manager of the facility I'm at) has been out there since then for the funeral and to lend a hand. Last I heard they are trying to recruit someone from our old 'home" office in Tulsa because they have more staff than we do. If I were to go to Denver for the short term it would leave Atlanta a little short and the my boss would have to fill in for me lots of days

And that could be a problem, since you boss probably doesn't know the Lizards as well as you do...

re: #236 spinmore

Glenn Beck is saying exactly what most every 'military' family is saying:
'We should get the job done, or get the f*#k out'
'Give the General what he needs, or bring our boys/gals home'
. . . Don't make this something it isn't (I'm not buying it)

Hone your listening skills. Beck didn't say anything like what you wrote.
Go make excuses for someone else.

Ah well

Time to sit in front of the talking moving picture box with the family!

Have a great night all, and if I don't "see" you tomorrow have a winderful and blessed Thanksgiving!

any Neville Bros fans out there in fanland?...an amazing and versitile roots band...and the message is always the same for their brothers and sisters...get the Boze up get some!

re: #233 armylaw

(there are multiple inquiries taking place in the UK -- re: Iraq. One of them involves the abuse (on video) of Iraqi detainees...and, it illustrates an entire breakdown in the chain of command...(no excuse for it). One of the inquiries is arising from the UK's first convicted war criminal (who only now is revealing more about what took place in Iraq, etc.) They say he's a psychopath...On the one hand, this is really vile -- that soldiers "lost it" and abused detainees -- on the other hand, I'd just as soon not see it become politicized...Or being used to score cheap political points.)