Well, I made it to NYC in one piece! What's everyone having for Thanksgiving?

Tracks in the sand... echos of tires gone by... evidence of man, or woman.

Birds' tracks shrink to insignificance by comparison.

Humans, or birds? ... that is the question.

The answer:

re: #1 Irenicum

I'm having dinosaur descendant.

re: #2 freetoken

Harry Connick?

re: #3 Sharmuta

Mmmm, leg O pterodactyl!

re: #4 Irenicum

Uncredited.

re: #6 freetoken

Sounds Harry-ish. Nice. I like it.

re: #7 Irenicum

It was actually credited to "Coldplay", but I think that is in error.

re: #8 freetoken

Ya think? But who knows, maybe even they could go all traditional on us.

Tomorrow at 5:00 Dinner at my Aunts, mom, dad, sister, brother, and their families will all be there. Turkey, ham, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, candied yams, green bean caserole, rolls, fresh bread, melon and fruit tray, pickle olive and vegetable tray w/dip, Jello creamcheese mold, apple pie, pecan pie. Plus whatever else I am forgetting...

That's it for the beer. On to the wine! :D

re: #9 Irenicum

Here's some Harry for you:

re: #10 ausador

I'm already hungry! Sounds wonderful. Have a great time. I'm having dinner with friends and hoping to see my sis while I'm here. I'm all about the stuffing and the pumpkin pie.

re: #12 freetoken

What a great rhythm! More jazzy than usual. And that's OK with me. Thanks!

How about some Moody Blues?

re: #14 Irenicum

Gotta love that brush on the snare. Very expressive.

re: #15 Bubblehead II

I saw then them several times live. I loved them back in the day!

Hello all, and also good night!
I want to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving tomorrow! I hope everyone enjoys family and friends . ..

re: #17 Irenicum

Like most of the bands I like, they were popular while I was still in grade school.

/ dating myself, as are you ;-)

re: #15 Bubblehead II

It's funny you mention the Moody Blues. Lyrics from this song re: #18 reine.de.tout

And you too!

re: #20 Irenicum

Oops, double posted there. Sorry! Have a great Thanksgiving reine!
And as I was saying to Bubblehead...

re: #15 Bubblehead II

Here's a song that I was thinking of earlier tonight. it's always been a favorite of mine.

re: #14 Irenicum

The best Jazz interpretation of that ballet remains Ellington's, IMO:

[Link: www.last.fm...]

re: #18 reine.de.tout

Night Reine. Should be heading that way myself, but took a nap and now find myself in that awkward posisition of being half awake and half asleep.

/ LGF, It's not just for Insomniac's anymore.

re: #24 Bubblehead II

Same here. Still wound up from the trip. Eventually I'll become incoherent enough to turn to bed.

re: #22 Irenicum

Chuckle... I was thinking of linking to that one for my post, but decided on Ride My See Saw.

Here is another one. House of Four Doors.

re: #23 freetoken

Listening as I speak. The Duke is amazing.

Has anyone else ever wandered over to the internet archives and watched the TV news footage from 9/11?

They have ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, BBC, and CNN footage of each networks broadcast that day and for the next two days. Starting from before the first plane impact and then going 24 hours a day from there in 20-40 min. streaming blocks. It definately still hits hard to see it again, it brings that day right back to life, sadness and anger both.

Anyway, not trying to bum people out on a holiday, I just wanted to let people know it was there if anyone was ever interested in ever looking at it.

[Link: www.archive.org...]

re: #28 ausador

I remember that day all too well. Thanks for the link, but I'll pass for tonight at least. I never thought I'd use the words mesmerized and horror in the same sentence, but that day I did.

re: #19 Bubblehead II

I'm "only" 40 something. That's not that old!

re: #25 Irenicum

Problem for me is that I have started to hit the coffee (straight) and am going to end up with a caffeine buzz from hell.

re: #28 ausador

I remember. I also (sad to say) remember thinking, what the hell took them so long to do it.

re: #28 ausador

Thanks

re: #30 Irenicum

Tell that to my right knee. :-)

/ Sure Chief, dropping down the ladder is going to screw up my knees.

Well kids, I just wanted to stop by and see what was happenin' in the neighborhood. It seems that the Bleck thread is still the hot joint for now. I need sleep. Peace out to y'all! See ya on the other side!

re: #34 Irenicum

Night. Looks like I am going to be here for a bit.

Hmmm. I wonder what this button does?

I went to a Methodist memorial yesterday. It was for a man I worked with for a time that was born in 1926. He was rather successful in his trade and there was at least 300 people there, maybe 500. A WWII Navy vet and a Democrat; his wife, a Republican.

It was hard at times to keep my composure and even the Pastoral Benediction made me, an atheist, shed a tear. It's hard to hear a son or daughter speak about their recently deceased father. I had to prepare myself before they played taps which they did. I nodded to the Pastor as I left as he did too if not first.

I find these words poetic:

Psalm 23

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

I will spend my Thanksgiving alone.

re: #37 Gus 802

"I will spend my Thanksgiving alone."

Actually, you will not, for I suspect you will be here at LGF and therefore you will be with "family".

My condolences on the passing of your friend.

re: #26 Bubblehead II

Newer Moody Blues ain't bad, either:

Your Wildest Dreams

re: #39 Bubblehead II

"I will spend my Thanksgiving alone."

Actually, you will not, for I suspect you will be here at LGF and therefore you will be with "family".

My condolences on the passing of your friend.

Thank you. I reckon I will. :)

re: #39 Bubblehead II

"I will spend my Thanksgiving alone."

Actually, you will not, for I suspect you will be here at LGF and therefore you will be with "family".

My condolences on the passing of your friend.

I too suspect you will find your self here among your friends.

re: #15 Bubblehead II

How about some Moody Blues?

Did someone mention the Blues?

Sleepy John Estes - Mailman Blues

re: #40 Boogberg

Isn't You Tube fun. I am finding songs by some of my favorite bands that I never knew existed.

Never Comes The Day.

re: #37 Gus 802

I will spend my Thanksgiving alone.

Blind Willie Johnson - Trouble Soon be Over

re: #37 Gus 802

I will spend my Thanksgiving alone.

Oh no you won't. A couple of clicks of the mouse is all it takes. :)

re: #42 Bagua

Yep. Just can't seem to stay away from this place. Some days it's like watching a slow motion train wreck, others it's like a family reunion and talking with a relative you haven't seen for years that soon devolves into a slow motion train wreck.

wash,rinse,repeat.

God, I love this place!

re: #41 Gus 802

Time is relative, and distance changes your perspective, I can tell you.

Blind Willie Johnson - Dark War the Night

re: #46 Boogberg

Oh no you won't. A couple of clicks of the mouse is all it takes. :)

True. It's actually a tradition with me anyway since my family is 1000s of miles away. Just another day to cue up the Ray Charles.

re: #47 Bubblehead II

God, I love this place!

Wonderful...

tonight we saw an AGW thread hotly debated past 1,000 comments, yet it remained civil, reasonable and friendly right to the end!

re: #38 Bubblehead II

What the... Neat! :D

re: #49 Gus 802

Ray Charles. Ring of Fire.

re: #52 Bubblehead II

Ray Charles. Ring of Fire.

Genius. We were lucky to have him.

Night all. Peace be with you.

Happy Thanksgiving.

re: #50 Bagua

Nice to hear that. Tend to stay out of the AGW,GB,SP and like threads as they tend to get a bit heated. That and I don't really have much to contribute. %-)

re: #54 Gus 802

Night. Weet dreams.

Now, what does this button do?

OOPS!

re: #44 Bubblehead II

Isn't You Tube fun. I am finding songs by some of my favorite bands that I never knew existed.

Never Comes The Day.

Oh yeah, I love Youtube. When I'm in the mood to listen to music, I'll try to think of the most obscure songs from my life and sure enough, someone has uploaded it to Youtube. lol

re: #48 Bagua

Time is relative, and distance changes your perspective, I can tell you.

[Video]

Blind Willie Johnson - Dark Was the Night

And his other immortal track,

re: #48 Bagua

Time is relative, and distance changes your perspective, I can tell you.

Blind Willie Johnson - Dark War the Night

I'll see your Blind Willie, and raise you a Django Reinhardt :)

Major Fail on the part of the Secret Service.

Uninvited guests crash White House dinner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Secret Service is investigating how an uninvited couple was admitted to U.S. President Barack Obama's White House state dinner, penetrating layers of security, a spokesman said on Wednesday.

Time to call it night.

L8R

/Never should have pushed that last button

re: #63 Bubblehead II

'night. Enjoyed your company. :)

re: #62 Bubblehead II

Major Fail on the part of the Secret Service.

Uninvited guests crash White House dinner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Secret Service is investigating how an uninvited couple was admitted to U.S. President Barack Obama's White House state dinner, penetrating layers of security, a spokesman said on Wednesday.

OK ya caught me...Somebody said the Dead was playing and I walked in...What? Did I eat too much?
*wink*

Looks like some of our Secret Service dudes need to watch Guarding Tess :D

I kid, but actually it's not funny.

re: #66 Boogberg

Looks like some of our Secret Service dudes need to watch Guarding Tess :D

I kid, but actually it's not funny.

Did you see the menu? I'd sneak in too..just for the food...
How are you doing this morning?
Happy thanksgiving everyone

re: #67 HoosierHoops

Doin' good! Still got half a bottle of wine left. :D

Happy Thanksgiving to you and the rest of the gang as well!

re: #68 Boogberg

Doin' good! Still got half a bottle of wine left. :D

Happy Thanksgiving to you and the rest of the gang as well!

What kind of wine?
I'm watching American Gangster then going to hit the sack..Good movie

Something called 'Sangria Zinfandel'. It's pretty disgusting, but it was on sale at the grocery store. Tastes like fucking koolaid for cryin' out loud! :D

re: #70 Boogberg

Something called 'Sangria Zinfandel'. It's pretty disgusting, but it was on sale at the grocery store. Tastes like fucking koolaid for cryin' out loud! :D

LOL
We do what we must do...

Morning Lizards.

Met FBV for a couple beers last night since I am visiting his stomping grounds. So cool to meet another lizard!

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

Read elsewhere:

Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There's a consensus that it's going to change, so they've decided to keep us in the dark.

re: #72 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards.

Met FBV for a couple beers last night since I am visiting his stomping grounds. So cool to meet another lizard!

He mentioned last night that he meet another lizard but didn't name names. Next time, waterboarding.
//

re: #62 Bubblehead II

Major Fail on the part of the Secret Service.

Uninvited guests crash White House dinner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Secret Service is investigating how an uninvited couple was admitted to U.S. President Barack Obama's White House state dinner, penetrating layers of security, a spokesman said on Wednesday.

The couple, described by The Washington Post as aspiring reality-TV stars and polo-playing socialites, were seen arriving at the White House.

Ah ha! Is this the angle?

re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar

He mentioned last night that he meet another lizard but didn't name names. Next time, waterboarding.
//

I recognized his face from his avatar!

I have to go to mom's today. She started making chow yesterday morning. Then later I have 2 friends who live side by side. One is smoking a turkey breast, the other is deep frying a turkey. I have a new pair of long-shorts with an elastic waistband. That is the key to success.:)

re: #76 MandyManners

I am an aspiring brewmaster. Think I can sneek into a Budweiser plant?

re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am an aspiring brewmaster. Think I can sneek into a Budweiser plant?

How's about trying to sneak into the distillery that makes Basil Hayden's? I'll bail you out if you get caught.

Cooking has begun in earnest. There will be pie.

re: #80 MandyManners

How's about trying to sneak into the distillery that makes Basil Hayden's? I'll bail you out if you get caught.

A friend will bail you out of jail. A real friend will be sitting next to you in the cell.

It's gonna be 72 degrees today. Just like the original Thanksgiving.
/

Good Morning, LGF! Happy Thanksgiving!

re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar

A friend will bail you out of jail. A real friend will be sitting next to you in the cell.

Guess I'm not a real friend.

re: #81 SixDegrees

Cooking has begun in earnest. There will be pie.

And the people rejoiced!

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's gonna be 72 degrees today. Just like the original Thanksgiving.
/

*whack*

re: #84 SteveC

Good Morning, LGF! Happy Thanksgiving!

GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!

Hmmm...I'm not getting kicked to the front page today. If the cause is my IE, why isn't it happening today?

re: #89 MandyManners

Gremlins.

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gremlins.

I freakin' believe it.

Coffee.

re: #88 MandyManners

GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!

Every November the local TV station has a graphic of a turkey that they use when the weather information is flashed onscreen. The turkey is smiling.

Has no one discussed with this turkey exactly how Thanksgiving Dinner is prepared? :)

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gremlins.

Thanksgiving Gremlins. The regular gremlins have the day off, and the Thanksgiving Gremlins work one day a year.

They'll screw things up in new and interesting ways because they don't know any better!

re: #92 SteveC

A man is ordering dinner in a restaurant. He ask the waiter, "How do you prepare the chicken?" The waiter responds, "We don't. They pretty much know they are gonna die."

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

A man is ordering dinner in a restaurant. He ask the waiter, "How do you prepare the chicken?" The waiter responds, "We don't. They pretty much know they are gonna die."

My niece will love that one. I'll tell her later today.

re: #92 SteveC

Every November the local TV station has a graphic of a turkey that they use when the weather information is flashed onscreen. The turkey is smiling.

Has no one discussed with this turkey exactly how Thanksgiving Dinner is prepared? :)

And, to think that Franklin wanted the turkey to be our national bird.

What would we be eating today if that had happened? A bald eagle?

re: #96 MandyManners

And, to think that Franklin wanted the turkey to be our national bird.

What would we be eating today if that had happened? A bald eagle?

Hassenfeffer!

re: #97 SteveC

Hassenfeffer!

What would the vegetarian version be? Tofu Bunny Fu Fu?

re: #97 SteveC

Hassenfeffer!

COOK! WHERE'S MY LUNCH! WHERE'S MY DINNER!

re: #98 MandyManners

What would the vegetarian version be? Tofu Bunny Fu Fu?

How should I know? It's 7:45 AM on Thanksgiving morning - not only is my brain powered down, it's still in its little wooden box on my nightstand!

Go ask FBV! :)

(Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Mandy!)

re: #100 SteveC

How should I know? It's 7:45 AM on Thanksgiving morning - not only is my brain powered down, it's still in its little wooden box on my nightstand!

Go ask FBV! :)

(Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Mandy!)

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, too, Steve!

Fu Fu Tofu.

Morning,
Happy T-Day Everyone!

re: #103 RogueOne

Morning,
Happy T-Day Everyone!

GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!

I give thanks that I have been with all of you for these few years.

Bless each and every one of you and may your highest needs be met.

re: #102 MandyManners

Fu Fu Tofu.

Everybody was eating Fu Fu Tofu...

re: #106 SteveC

hyah!

re: #105 Capitalist Tool

I give thanks that I have been with all of you for these few years.

Bless each and every one of you and may your highest needs be met.

(((Capitalist Tool)))

Same for you, my dear.

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hyah!

There was little Billie Jim
and funky Sammy Wong
They said "We brought the cranberries!
Let's eat 'em all!"

re: #105 Capitalist Tool

I give thanks that I have been with all of you for these few years.

Bless each and every one of you and may your highest needs be met.

Ding whore.
/

Not to be a buzzkill but I saw this coming and I'm still pissed...
Remember the PA Judge who was taking bribes to put kids in detention centers?

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Judge: Pa. Jurists Immune from Liability for Courtroom Acts

Federal judge Richard Caputo granted partial immunity to the judges, both of whom have been accused of taking kickbacks from juvenile detention centers in return for sending business their way, in the form of juveniles, many of whom were sent off for weeks or months at a time for relatively minor infractions.

Writing that judicial immunity does not operate on a “sliding scale,” Judge Caputo ruled that the judges are protected by immunity from facing legal action for their courtroom acts. “The degree of corrupt behavior is not the touchstone of the immunity doctrine’s application,” Caputo wrote, acknowledging that his ruling runs contrary to “popular will.” He added: “The doctrine holds that judges with bad intentions, as well as those with good intentions, are immune from suit.

[Link: www.law.com...]
FTA: While Caputo's ruling does not put an end to the litigation, it does mean that Ciavarella will escape liability "for the vast majority of his conduct in this action," Caputo said.

Hope everyone here has a happy Thanksgiving. Hope I'm able to check in on a more regular basis soon; I miss you folks, and the wide-ranging discussions.

re: #111 RogueOne

*spit*

EVENING HONCOS!

How's your Native-American-Friendship-and-Popcorn-Discovery-Day going?

/Luckily, It's Columbus Day that gets the oppression stigma. :B

re: #114 laZardo

I am a member of the TLF, if that means anything.

(Turkey Liberation Front)

re: #111 RogueOne

Not to be a buzzkill but I saw this coming and I'm still pissed...
Remember the PA Judge who was taking bribes to put kids in detention centers?

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Judge: Pa. Jurists Immune from Liability for Courtroom Acts

[Link: www.law.com...]
FTA: While Caputo's ruling does not put an end to the litigation, it does mean that Ciavarella will escape liability "for the vast majority of his conduct in this action," Caputo said.

If I knew them, I'd stay far away in a thunderstorm.

re: #112 ShanghaiEd

Hope everyone here has a happy Thanksgiving. Hope I'm able to check in on a more regular basis soon; I miss you folks, and the wide-ranging discussions.

GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!

Holy crap! Anyone watching MSNBC about the couple who crashed the State Dinner at the White House? They took pics with everyone! HAHAHAHA!

re: #114 laZardo

EVENING HONCOS!

How's your Native-American-Friendship-and-Popcorn-Discovery-D ay going?

/Luckily, It's Columbus Day that gets the oppression stigma. :B

No one dares to fuck around with turkey.

re: #111 RogueOne

Not to be a buzzkill but I saw this coming and I'm still pissed...
Remember the PA Judge who was taking bribes to put kids in detention centers?

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

FTA: While Caputo's ruling does not put an end to the litigation, it does mean that Ciavarella will escape liability "for the vast majority of his conduct in this action," Caputo said.

The SoB scoots but that almost had to be done. If not, couldn't you appeal every decision handed down from now on if you thought the judge was "harsh"?

re: #118 RogueOne

Funny as hell.

Unless you are head of security.

re: #1 Irenicum

Well, I made it to NYC in one piece! What's everyone having for Thanksgiving?

A nervous breakdown.

re: #118 RogueOne

Holy crap! Anyone watching MSNBC about the couple who crashed the State Dinner at the White House? They took pics with everyone! HAHAHAHA!

Heads are gonna roll over that. (Mandy posted that earlier as well)

Ugh.

I'm hoping, then, that Pennsylvania judges are elected, and that they will be facing their constituents soon.

If I were an attorney, I'd be providing individual pro bono services to every single juvenile sentenced by this asshole, with the intent of flat-out harrassment, nibbling away at his resources with case after case after case, even if they were destined to fail.

Maybe the state should adopt a new motto: "There's No Justice in Pennsylvania." Anybody care to translate that into latin and start selling T-shirts?

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny as hell.

Unless you are head of security.

Yeah, someone is in deep shit this morning. I had not heard this story yesterday.

For anyone else who was clueless, here's the story with a nice pic of them with VP Biden
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am a member of the TLF, if that means anything.

(Turkey Liberation Front)

I'm coming for your cranberries!

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heads are gonna roll over that. (Mandy posted that earlier as well)

She's always beating me.

re: #126 MandyManners

I'm coming for your cranberries!

in bed...

re: #118 RogueOne

Holy crap! Anyone watching MSNBC about the couple who crashed the State Dinner at the White House? They took pics with everyone! HAHAHAHA!

Balloon Boy, Part II. They're reality-show wannabees; the whole point was to attract attention and publicity for their sorry asses.

re: #127 RogueOne

She's always beating me.

In bed...

re: #122 Gang of One

A nervous breakdown.

(((Gang)))

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heads are gonna roll over that. (Mandy posted that earlier as well)

No, Bubblehead did at No. 62.

re: #132 MandyManners

No, Bubblehead did at No. 62.

My bad.

I got to meet rwdflynavy last night, y'all. Twas too cool!

re: #120 SteveC

The SoB scoots but that almost had to be done. If not, couldn't you appeal every decision handed down from now on if you thought the judge was "harsh"?

This is 2 cases I've heard of this year where something like this was done. (one was a prosecutor who was making up evidence) I think that's reprehensible. Total immunity is a mistake, cops don't get it and neither should judges/prosecutors.

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got to meet rwdflynavy last night, y'all. Twas too cool!

Did you guys have a designated pilot?
/

A little seasonal music.

re: #129 SixDegrees

Balloon Boy, Part II. They're reality-show wannabees; the whole point was to attract attention and publicity for their sorry asses.

I am TIRED of you talking crap about the Obama Administration! :)

Well, whadda you expect? Like attracts like; Birds of a feather, etc. Like the fictious President Andrew Shepard said "These are serious times, and they require serious people."

But we got the Greater Chicago Traveling Circus.

re: #137 MandyManners

A little seasonal music.

[Video]

This version a lot more political toward the end than the original but, it's still good stuff.

BTW, Arlo's now a Paulian.

re: #129 SixDegrees

They best be trollin'. :B

re: #120 SteveC

The SoB scoots but that almost had to be done. If not, couldn't you appeal every decision handed down from now on if you thought the judge was "harsh"?

He was taking bribes to sentence kids to a particular detention center. Kids who probably wouldn't have received any incarceration at all.

Simple solution: strip this asshole of every penny of his wealth. Find every kid who was sentenced to the detention centers in question by him. Divide. Distribute.

Yes, you'll get some who deserved to be there. Tough. A message needs to be sent that the courts are fair and can be trusted. Right now, that is not the case in Pennsylvania.

re: #131 MandyManners

(((Gang)))

Last few weeks have been not so glorious.
Much needed rest today and tomorrow.
(((Mandy)))

Dough's done resting. Time to roll.

re: #140 laZardo

They best be trollin'. :B

Wez all up in youz party
eatin' youz food

re: #141 SixDegrees

He was taking bribes to sentence kids to a particular detention center. Kids who probably wouldn't have received any incarceration at all.

Simple solution: strip this asshole of every penny of his wealth. Find every kid who was sentenced to the detention centers in question by him. Divide. Distribute.

Yes, you'll get some who deserved to be there. Tough. A message needs to be sent that the courts are fair and can be trusted. Right now, that is not the case in Pennsylvania.

Don't forget that they were taking kick-backs from the center.

re: #142 Gang of One

Last few weeks have been not so glorious.
Much needed rest today and tomorrow.
(((Mandy)))

Maybe my No. 137 will bring a smile to your face.

re: #141 SixDegrees

In all fairness, this Judge, unlike the california prosecutor I mentioned, still faces criminal charges for bribery etc. I just don't think jail is good enough, he should be left broke and broken.

re: #143 SixDegrees

Dough's done resting. Time to roll.

I get it.

BBL, late dinnar. :O

re: #146 MandyManners

Maybe my No. 137 will bring a smile to your face.

Actually, it did. I remember the first time hearing it ... sitting on the Group W bench.

The judge walked in with a seeing-eye dog.

re: #146 MandyManners

Maybe my No. 137 will bring a smile to your face.

I hate christmas music but I found the best Christmas compilation EVER last year and I can't wait to annoy everyone again this year.

re: #150 Gang of One

Actually, it did. I remember the first time hearing it ... sitting on the Group W bench.

You got 27 eight-by-10 color glossy pictures on file somewhere?

Didja think I was gonna hang myself fer litterin'?

re: #143 SixDegrees

Dough's done resting. Time to roll.

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

I get it.

Actual quote from an advertising seminar: "At no time does the Pillsbury Dough Boy have `buns'."

re: #153 MandyManners

You got 27 eight-by-10 color glossy pictures on file somewhere?

Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...

re: #156 Gang of One

Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...

With my kind of luck, I'd be holding the photos upside down!

re: #154 Gang of One

Didja think I was gonna hang myself fer litterin'?

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!

re: #155 SteveC

Actual quote from an advertising seminar: "At no time does the Pillsbury Dough Boy have `buns'."

Thanks. I kneaded that laugh.

re: #156 Gang of One

Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...

Injections and insections!

re: #159 bloodnok

Thanks. I kneaded that laugh.

It was the yeast he could do.

re: #158 MandyManners

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!

Now, if three go in singing a chorus, they'll think it's movement.

re: #151 MandyManners

Guy is taking his dog for a walk. Decides to stop in a bar and get a drink. Figures he can't leave the dog outside, so gets clever and puts on sunglasses and walks into the bar.
Bartender says, "Hey! You can't bring a dog in here!"
Guy says, "This is my seeing eye dog."
Bartender says, "You have a Chihuahua as a seeing eye dog?"
Guy (feeling for the end of the leash) says, "What?! They sold me a Chihuahua?"

re: #156 Gang of One

Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...

"Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug."

Old one but good one

"First you take the root of pi, square it by - "

"Look, I'm not good at math but I know pies are not square! Pies are round!"

Get? I didn't get nothing. I had to pay $25 and pick up the garbage.

re: #151 MandyManners

Now that I think of it...Wasn't the judge sight impaired?

re: #162 Gang of One

Now, if three go in singing a chorus, they'll think it's movement.

Q: What's brown and smelly and sits on a piano stool?

A: Beethoven's First Movement.

"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-know-details-of-the-crime-time-of-the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know-arresting-officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say",

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now that I think of it...Wasn't the judge sight impaired?

Why do you think Officer Obie cried?

re: #169 MandyManners

"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58 -words-we-wanna-know-details-of-the-crime-time-of- the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-sa y-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know -arresting-officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-th ing-you-gotta-say",

I cheated on that one. I found the lyrics.

re: #168 SteveC

Q: What's brown and smelly and sits on a piano stool?

A: Beethoven's First Movement.

Beethoven is decomposing.

I have to go to the shrink in room 604.

Thanksgiving day tradition - the Christmas tree is going up! I'll see everyone later!

Have a wonderful day, and give a thought to anyone who can't/won't be at the family table.

Arlo got an invitation to Carter's innauguration. He went because he knew it'd be the only one he'd ever get.

Nixon was ahead of his time!

Oh, Part Three is great!

According to Wiki, the gap on the tapes is 18.5 minutes. Alice's Restaurant is 18.5 minutes.

You do the math.

re: #178 MandyManners

According to Wiki, the gap on the NIXON tapes is 18.5 minutes. Alice's Restaurant is 18.5 minutes.

You do the math.

Oh, bravo, Arlo.

How many things in the world are 18 minutes and 20 seconds long?

re: #181 Gang of One

How many things in the world are 18 minutes and 20 seconds long?

Oh.
/D'oh!!!11!

re: #181 Gang of One

How many things in the world are 18 minutes and 20 seconds long?

In bed!

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Website Wikileaks publishes '9/11 messages'

A website has published what it says are 573,000 intercepted pager messages sent during the 9/11 attacks in the United States.

Wikileaks says it will not reveal who gave it the messages - some of which are from federal agencies as well as ordinary citizens.

Internet analysts say they believe the messages are genuine but federal authorities have refused to comment.

I wonder if the same people who have been flipping out over the "illegal leak" regarding the CRU fraud will have the same level of outrage over these. I also noticed the BBC was quick to report on this one while they held the CRU leak under wraps for a month before it went public.

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

In bed!

Hi Walt. You still snowed in up there?

re: #180 MandyManners

That garbage incident actually happened to my girlfriend back in the 80's. That was the goofiest thing she did during our relationship. Oh I was pissed! :D

re: #184 RogueOne

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

I wonder if the same people who have been flipping out over the "illegal leak" regarding the CRU fraud will have the same level of outrage over these. I also noticed the BBC was quick to report on this one while they held the CRU leak under wraps for a month before it went public.

One reason is because there are some people who say there's nothing to the CRU emails, there for, why would the BBC hop to reporting a story that has no legs.

re: #185 Gang of One

Hi Walt. You still snowed in up there?

No, we still have snow on the ground, but it's not on the roads or anything. Next chance of snow, Sunday evening.

re: #184 RogueOne

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

I wonder if the same people who have been flipping out over the "illegal leak" regarding the CRU fraud will have the same level of outrage over these. I also noticed the BBC was quick to report on this one while they held the CRU leak under wraps for a month before it went public.

A) Why do you put 'illegal leak' in quotes? You're not satisfied that leaking those emails was an illegal action?

B) Why would there be a connection between those two groups? I don't feel like leading the CRU emails in a crude attempt to sway public opinion in the run-up to Copenhagen was legal-- since it was illegal. I also don't think that releasing a mass of pager messages, some of which are no doubt private, some of which no doubt are from and between doctors, is a good idea or legal.

re: #186 Boogberg

That garbage incident actually happened to my girlfriend back in the 80's. That was the goofiest thing she did during our relationship. Oh I was pissed! :D

She illegally dumped?

Did you dump her next?

re: #189 Obdicut

So, what do you think of ACORN dumping all those confidential files?

re: #155 SteveC

Actual quote from an advertising seminar: "At no time does the Pillsbury Dough Boy have `buns'."

Sign at a local establishment that sells pork and pork products: "We Wash The Shit Out Of Chiltlins!"

re: #189 Obdicut

A) Why do you put 'illegal leak' in quotes? You're not satisfied that leaking those emails was an illegal action?

B) Why would there be a connection between those two groups? I don't feel like leading the CRU emails in a crude attempt to sway public opinion in the run-up to Copenhagen was legal-- since it was illegal. I also don't think that releasing a mass of pager messages, some of which are no doubt private, some of which no doubt are from and between doctors, is a good idea or legal.

And the cat is out of the bag, so legal, illegal, it doesn't really matter unless someone at UEA wants to make a legal matter out of it, then it's important to a certain handful of people.

But, nothing will change the what's in the emails themselves. And no amount of legal posturing will effect the content.

re: #191 MandyManners

So, what do you think of ACORN dumping all those confidential files?

If they dumped anything that's illegal to dump, they committed an illegal action. I haven't seen yet that anything they dumped was illegal to dump.

It certainly was fucking stupid as hell of them to do in the time preceding an investigation, and shows a blitheness in the face of it that's disturbing.

The person who got them out of the dumpster probably also committed an illegal action.

re: #189 Obdicut

I put "ILLEGAL" in scare quotes because that seems to be the only defense to what's actually found in the documents. No one seems to want to argue that their modeling is crap, their code is a POS, or the overt attempts to avoid FOIA requests. I'm just wondering if they'll remain consistent or if the only "legality" (there they are again) they're concerned with is the one that gored their ox.

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

And the cat is out of the bag, so legal, illegal, it doesn't really matter unless someone at UEA wants to make a legal matter out of it, then it's important to a certain handful of people.

But, nothing will change the what's in the emails themselves. And no amount of legal posturing will effect the content.

Yes. The content of which, as Charles has laid out the case for very well over the past few days, a tempest in a tea-cup.

However, I think that the FBI and Treasury may not be as sanguine to the hack as you are. Though they're probably distracted-- properly-- by this Wikileaks dump.

I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.

The 9/11 messages are pretty disturbing, especially since we know what was happening at the time. Fascinating and disturbing all at the same time. You can download the entire thing as a zip file.

From this side of the pond, best wishes to all for Thanksgiving.

And special wishes for any Americans for whom the holiday is touched by sadness, by the absence of loved ones.

(One of my closest Americn friends died earlier this year, after a long and good life, and her husband has been very ill for several years. The whole family is gathering as usual today in LA, but they will be sorely missing their grandmum, her bright eyes - and the superb Pavlova she made every year.)

There's lots of room for argument between us all, but when the chips are down there is much more that unites us. Including all over here who wish America well - the Last Best Hope.

And a good measure of that fellow-feeling was shown just after 9/11, at the memorial service at St Paul's Cathedral here in London. The words of the Archbishop remain so truly apt - but the best thing in this video clip is the huge crowd standing outside the cathedral as the Battle Hymn of the Republic was sung.

re: #196 Obdicut

Yes. The content of which, as Charles has laid out the case for very well over the past few days, a tempest in a tea-cup.

However, I think that the FBI and Treasury may not be as sanguine to the hack as you are. Though they're probably distracted-- properly-- by this Wikileaks dump.

I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.

Sorry, there's no getting around their code and model is crap. A big steaming pile of crap to be exact.

re: #196 Obdicut

I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.

I want a train set. If we get each other's gift can we swap?

re: #195 RogueOne

I put "ILLEGAL" in scare quotes because that seems to be the only defense to what's actually found in the documents. No one seems to want to argue that their modeling is crap, their code is a POS, or the overt attempts to avoid FOIA requests. I'm just wondering if they'll remain consistent or if the only "legality" (there they are again) they're concerned with is the one that gored their ox.

Acutally, if you read this website, Charles has been arguing just that for the past few days.

The test of a model is in its predictive accuracy; the models have been on target and predictively successful for a long time.

They did not, as Charles has pointed out, have the legal right to redistribute much of the data, so many of the FOIA requests had to be, properly, rejected.

Code may be a POS, but it can also be a working POS. Elegance in coding is a lovely thing, but it's not a requirement for code to work. It certainly makes it harder to maintain and makes mistakes compound, but that doesn't mean it doesn't function. And much of what's being declared to be crappy in the code is perfectly good code.

Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.

re: #196 Obdicut

Yes. The content of which, as Charles has laid out the case for very well over the past few days, a tempest in a tea-cup.

However, I think that the FBI and Treasury may not be as sanguine to the hack as you are. Though they're probably distracted-- properly-- by this Wikileaks dump.

I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.

Well, Charles is not the only one weighing in with opinions on those emails and documents, and not everyone in the big wide world agree on whether those emails are a tempest or not. Charles' opinion is valid but only one of many.

I have nothing to do with the "hack," and my opinion doesn't change anything now, so that issue is moot, at least with me. I suspect that some authorities may be interested in the legality of the hack.

Still don't change the contents. I hope you get what you want for Christmas, but your wish won't put the cat back into the bag.

re: #200 Bloodnok

I want a train set. If we get each other's gift can we swap?

Yes. I actually just got a Lionel set for my dad, and found out he already has it.

There, that was easy. Now lets fix television.

re: #194 Obdicut

If they dumped anything that's illegal to dump, they committed an illegal action. I haven't seen yet that anything they dumped was illegal to dump.

It certainly was fucking stupid as hell of them to do in the time preceding an investigation, and shows a blitheness in the face of it that's disturbing.

The person who got them out of the dumpster probably also committed an illegal action.

They dumped financial information from their clients.

It is NOT illegal to remove garbage from a garbage can.

re: #190 MandyManners

She illegally dumped?

Did you dump her next?

No, of course not. She was a decent, hard-working girl who had a momentary lapse of reason. It was her kooky father who wrecked our relationship.

Biden Pardons Single Yam In Vice Presidential Thanksgiving Ritual

Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow lizards.

We're so incredibly blessed.

re: #201 Obdicut

Acutally, if you read this website, Charles has been arguing just that for the past few days.

The test of a model is in its predictive accuracy; the models have been on target and predictively successful for a long time.

They did not, as Charles has pointed out, have the legal right to redistribute much of the data, so many of the FOIA requests had to be, properly, rejected.

Code may be a POS, but it can also be a working POS. Elegance in coding is a lovely thing, but it's not a requirement for code to work. It certainly makes it harder to maintain and makes mistakes compound, but that doesn't mean it doesn't function. And much of what's being declared to be crappy in the code is perfectly good code.

Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.

I suspect that no one is critiquing how well the code is commented, formatted or whether it could be more efficient. I think the argument is that the code is plain out wrong, faulty and buggy.

As Derrick Roach tells it, it was either luck or Divine intervention. His version of events may be hard to believe for ACORN supporters but the former Republican state assembly candidate believes something drew him to the Dumpster behind the ACORN office in National City on the night of Friday, Oct. 9.

Roach recalled the moment he discovered thousands of ACORN documents simply bagged up and thrown in the trash.

He was driving home, he explained Monday, when a thought occurred to him to put his skills to use.

Roach, who describes himself as a local private investigator concerned about what was happening in his neighborhood, told how he “came by” the ACORN office and “observed some individuals in the office and also observed the individual dumping documents into the Dumpster around the corner,” he said.

SNIP

“I came back later that evening, after business hours, and from an unsecured Dumpster removed those documents and they have been in my possession since,” he said.

The documents, which filled Roach's vehicle, numbered close to 20,000 according to Tony Krvaric, chairman of the Republican Party of San Diego County.

“This is a massive data breach at the very least of individuals who come to ACORN for help and assistance,” said Krvaric. “To have their information, tax returns, immigration documents thrown in the trash like common trash is absolutely an affront to every San Diegan.”

SNIP

re: #205 Boogberg

No, of course not. She was a decent, hard-working girl who had a momentary lapse of reason. It was her kooky father who wrecked our relationship.

He wouldn't have been a good FIL, eh?

re: #207 right_wing2

Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow lizards.

We're so incredibly blessed.

GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!

re: #201 Obdicut

[snip]

Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.

There's trouble in River City...

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

What would happen to a bank or accountant who dumped confidential information? Heavy penalties?

re: #204 MandyManners

They dumped financial information from their clients.

It is NOT illegal to remove garbage from a garbage can.

Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.

And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.

I can't but help wonder if Roach has a mole in that ACORN office. What are the odds that he just happened to drop by right after those documents got dumped.

re: #214 Obdicut

Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.

And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.

Don't change anything, though, does it?

re: #214 Obdicut

Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.

And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.

Got a link to the California code or the San Diego municipal code that governs that?

But, that's not at issue here. The dumpsters were not secured behind a fence.

And, isn't it a bit too convenient that all that stuff got dumped in advance of a visit from the AG office?

re: #217 MandyManners

Tipped off by someone in the AG office?

re: #214 Obdicut

Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.

And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.

Public Enemy Number One

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

I suspect that no one is critiquing how well the code is commented, formatted or whether it could be more efficient. I think the argument is that the code is plain out wrong, faulty and buggy.

I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.

re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tipped off by someone in the AG office?

Or, by someone at ACORN who's become disgusted.

re: #201 Obdicut

Acutally, if you read this website, Charles has been arguing just that for the past few days.

The test of a model is in its predictive accuracy; the models have been on target and predictively successful for a long time.

They did not, as Charles has pointed out, have the legal right to redistribute much of the data, so many of the FOIA requests had to be, properly, rejected.

Code may be a POS, but it can also be a working POS. Elegance in coding is a lovely thing, but it's not a requirement for code to work. It certainly makes it harder to maintain and makes mistakes compound, but that doesn't mean it doesn't function. And much of what's being declared to be crappy in the code is perfectly good code.

Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.

The CRU's role was to provide the evidence of the A in AGW. Until there is a complete audit it the "A" should be silent. Until someone finishes that audit and releases their findings I'm going to start calling it (a)GW.

re: #220 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.

Why? Are you a coder? What do you know about coding? How many applications have you written? What's your credentials for making statements like that?

re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tipped off by someone in the AG office?

Maybe I glossed right over it but, I don't think the reason for the investigation is in it. IIRC, from what I've read elsewhere, the reason is to investigate voter registration fraud. Gee. I wonder why those immigration documents just happened to get dumped.

re: #217 MandyManners

Well, it doesn't seem too convienent for ACORN, since all their files are now in the hands of an enemy of theirs.

And I already said it was monumentally stupid to do right before an investigation, and makes them seemly blithely unconcerned about it in a disturbing way-- did you want me to say it again?

But, that's not at issue here. The dumpsters were not secured behind a fence.

I haven't seen anything authoritative on that. Have you?

re: #216 Walter L. Newton

Don't change anything, though, does it?

No, of course not. I'm not sure why you're asking.

It's certainly made me consider what I throw out more closely.

re: #210 MandyManners

I actually liked the guy. He gave me a job with his company in St. Louis as a laborer when I couldn't buy a fucking job here in central Florida. That's when the trouble started.

re: #220 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.

Hence the problem of not releasing their code. If they had played above the table from the beginning and complied with the FOIA requests they wouldn't be waist deep in sewage right now. All we know is the portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent.

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Why? Are you a coder? What do you know about coding? How many applications have you written? What's your credentials for making statements like that?

I'm a producer, who works with coders, yes. This isn't even a version-controlled source tree or anything, it's a bunch of folders, right?

re: #227 RogueOne

Hence the problem of not releasing their code. If they had played above the table from the beginning and complied with the FOIA requests they wouldn't be waist deep in sewage right now. All we know is the portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent.

And again, there are legal problems with them complying with FOIA results when they're using proprietary data.

Is the President's trip to Copenhagen just another photo-op ? He is just passing through, on his way to Oslo for the Nobel award ceremony.

He won't be in Copenhagen for the real discussions, involving dozens of national leaders.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

re: #228 Obdicut

I'm a producer, who works with coders, yes. This isn't even a version-controlled source tree or anything, it's a bunch of folders, right?

I don't know, why are you asking me? I haven't even seen the code. Maybe they aren't using source control, I don't know. I do know the actual production code is available, I saw a link to it yesterday. I don't have access to a unix-styled box, so, I can't run the code, play with the code.

But you never answered my question. Are you a coder?

Do you have a text copy of it that I can audit?

re: #225 Obdicut

Well, it doesn't seem too convienent for ACORN, since all their files are now in the hands of an enemy of theirs.

And I already said it was monumentally stupid to do right before an investigation, and makes them seemly blithely unconcerned about it in a disturbing way-- did you want me to say it again?

No, of course not. I'm not sure why you're asking.

It's certainly made me consider what I throw out more closely.

The article quote Roach as saying that the dumpster was not secured. If he's lying, it'll come out. And, I'm sure Schur would've been squawking about that to NBC if it had been secured.

And, yes, it was convenient for ACORN to dump the stuff ahead of an investigation if the documents contain proof of illegal activities. (Gee. ACORN committing a crime. NEVERRR.) But, it's mighty inconvenient that Roach came along at the right time. (Well, right for those whose tax dollars support ACORN.)

re: #226 Boogberg

I actually liked the guy. He gave me a job with his company in St. Louis as a laborer when I couldn't buy a fucking job here in central Florida. That's when the trouble started.

Moved you away from his daughter?

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

I don't know, why are you asking me? I haven't even seen the code. Maybe they aren't using source control, I don't know. I do know the actual production code is available, I saw a link to it yesterday. I don't have access to a unix-styled box, so, I can't run the code, play with the code.

But you never answered my question. Are you a coder?

Do you have a text copy of it that I can audit?

I'm a coder, at a very basic level. Not good for doing much except routine stuff in Python. But I do manage coders-- to the extent that statement can ever be true-- and I know that a random bunch of portions of code does not prove anything. Everything I've seen in the random stories I've seen on this have all concentrated on one particular small subset of data involving tree ring growth.

If the entire code is out there in whatever format they used, I haven't seen any link to that or any reference to that. I've seen complaints they haven't released the full code.

re: #229 Obdicut

And again, there are legal problems with them complying with FOIA results when they're using proprietary data.

You keep dancing over the core of the problem... "portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent." That's the problem.

Proprietary data, illegal hacks, what ever, that's a problem, but not the issue anymore, all that is moot. Now we have emails with questionable content, now we have code with questionable validity now we have documents with questionable material in them.

That's the issue, and it can't be sweep under the rug.

re: #228 Obdicut

I didn't know you were a producer. Without giving up any details you don't want, what industry?

re: #234 Obdicut

I'm a coder, at a very basic level. Not good for doing much except routine stuff in Python. But I do manage coders-- to the extent that statement can ever be true-- and I know that a random bunch of portions of code does not prove anything. Everything I've seen in the random stories I've seen on this have all concentrated on one particular small subset of data involving tree ring growth.

If the entire code is out there in whatever format they used, I haven't seen any link to that or any reference to that. I've seen complaints they haven't released the full code.

I thought I saw something yesterday, a link to a download of the gar/tar file... the whole thing or something, but I didn't bother to download it since it's all unix based OS stuff.

Old story, those who can't code, manage those who do.

re: #229 Obdicut

If it's funded by taxpayers they have the right to the info. Unless you're trying to say the CRU was wrapped up within a greedy corporate structure.

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

You keep dancing over the core of the problem... "portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent." That's the problem.

And I don't agree you can even make that judgment without full context, and many of the things being pointed out as bugs are, as the old joke goes, actually features.

re: #236 RogueOne

I didn't know you were a producer. Without giving up any details you don't want, what industry?

I work at Leapfrog, the children's educational toy company. It's a lot of fun.

re: #238 RogueOne

If it's funded by taxpayers they have the right to the info. Unless you're trying to say the CRU was wrapped up within a greedy corporate structure.

I'm sorry, but there is data that is proprietary and they are not allowed to release.

re: #220 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.

Not so much, really. In fact, part of my job includes what we refer to as "code spelunking," diving into year-old, undocumented code whose author has long since vanished, trying to figure out what it does and how it does it. It isn't exactly pleasant work, but it's occasionally necessary and always well within the realm of the possible.

I haven't looked at the code in question - because I spend enough time doing such things - but it ought to be possible to figure out how it works and whether it accurately calculates results based on either published models or the models documented in the rest of the material. It would also be almost trivial to determine just what sort, if any, data filtering is done on the input data before it reaches the model calculations themselves.

I haven't heard that anyone's taken such a step yet.

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

Old story, those who can't code, manage those who do.

Walter, may I ask why you tell others to be more civil when you feel it's acceptable to say things like that?

I don't manage the coders code. I just manage the coders. I get them the budget they need and the resources they need, and make sure that their time isn't been taken up by an inordinate amount of requests.

I am, and have to be, familiar with the way that code progresses through the pipeline and actually gets adopted, though.

re: #239 Obdicut

And I don't agree you can even make that judgment without full context, and many of the things being pointed out as bugs are, as the old joke goes, actually features.

As the leaked messages, and especially the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file, found their way around technical circles, two things happened: first, programmers unaffiliated with East Anglia started taking a close look at the quality of the CRU's code, and second, they began to feel sympathetic for anyone who had to spend three years (including working weekends) trying to make sense of code that appeared to be undocumented and buggy, while representing the core of CRU's climate model.

[Link: business.theatlantic.com...]

You're right, I can't make that judgement, but others, who have seen the code, have made that judgement. Argue with them.

re: #240 SixDegrees

I think you're overestimating the amount of structure in the dump.

re: #240 SixDegrees

[snip]

I haven't heard that anyone's taken such a step yet.

[Link: business.theatlantic.com...]

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

[Link: business.theatlantic.com...]

You're right, I can't make that judgement, but others, who have seen the code, have made that judgement. Argue with them.

Given that that story follows the meme of "relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred", I don't think it's going to persuade me of anything. There are lots of times you want an error message to be ignored and the program to occur as though nothing untoward ever happened.

re: #240 SixDegrees

Not so much, really. In fact, part of my job includes what we refer to as "code spelunking," diving into year-old, undocumented code whose author has long since vanished, trying to figure out what it does and how it does it. It isn't exactly pleasant work, but it's occasionally necessary and always well within the realm of the possible.

I haven't looked at the code in question - because I spend enough time doing such things - but it ought to be possible to figure out how it works and whether it accurately calculates results based on either published models or the models documented in the rest of the material. It would also be almost trivial to determine just what sort, if any, data filtering is done on the input data before it reaches the model calculations themselves.

I haven't heard that anyone's taken such a step yet.

Correct. Any coder would understand this... if I had the code, I could deconstruct what it does and audit whether is does it correctly.

'God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly'

re: #240 SixDegrees

People have been going all over that read me harry text and they've identified who "Harry" actually is. He's getting a lot of sympathy from people because he's obviously diligently trying to make it through a POS. There are a lot of suggestions right now that all of this was part of an FOIA procedure and has been leaked from the inside. If that's true, I'd love it to turn out to be "Harry" since he seems to be the one with the intimate knowledge of this code.

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

Correct. Any coder would understand this... if I had the code, I could deconstruct what it does and audit whether is does it correctly.

And all I'm saying, Walter, is that without knowing how their version control (if any) worked, you can't know if this code represents all of the code used in the model or not, and how it is used in the model.

re: #245 Obdicut

Given that that story follows the meme of "relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred", I don't think it's going to persuade me of anything. There are lots of times you want an error message to be ignored and the program to occur as though nothing untoward ever happened.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You have already indicated that you are not a coder. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

I've been a coder for 25 years. This is a simple process, one which you either do not understand or refuse to understand.

Either way, I've said what I have to say, people closer to the sources have said what they want to say, and nothing you say is going to change facts.

But thanks for your opinions.

re: #247 right_wing2

'God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly'

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re: #233 MandyManners

Yeah, I think so. He had some very strange political beliefs and I don't think an ever-so-slightly liberal 27 year old male fit in to his plans. I'm pretty sure he was a John Bircher.

Just for the sheer beauty of it. One of my favorites played Isao Horikoshi.

re: #206 Mad Al-Jaffee

Dammit!

ALL YAMS DESERVE TO DIIIEEE!