Maybe you’re the type of person who wakes up at 5 am and hits the stores on Black Friday with your checkbook clenched between your teeth and a cattle prod to fight off the crazed hordes, and you’ve already spent your life savings. But if not, I highly recommend checking out Amazon’s Black Friday deals — they’re offering some pretty incredible discounts.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Nov 27, 2009 9:58:24am |
I refuse to go to any malls from now until after the holidays are long done.
All my shopping will be done online for those lucky enough to warrant a gift from me. I hate crowds, especially rude ones that could potentially steal gifts out of my hands (which has happened before to me).
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:01:04am |
I'm just going to hit the Safeway.
I have the LP of this album. Perfect condition!
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jaunte Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:01:18am |
Why it's called Black Friday:
From the New York Times, 1975:
Philadelphia police and bus drivers call it "Black Friday" - that day each year between Thanksgiving Day and the Army–Navy Game. It is the busiest shopping and traffic day of the year in the Bicentennial City as the Christmas list is checked off and the Eastern college football season nears conclusion.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Quilly Mammoth Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:04:45am |
If you are looking for cheap netbooks Amazon is the place to be. About two hours from now Amazon is going to drop the price of a Dell Netbooks to _way_ low levels. If you go there click through Charles' link.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:06:53am |
I refuse the engage in any of this made up holiday spirit, online or in the brick and mortar stores. What has this society come to when we have to literally put warning labels on shopping... "Visiting this Walmart during the holiday shopping period may result in your injury or death." Who finds this acceptable? And transferring your compulsion to doing your shopping online is simply another way to feed the compulsion. It's not a cure for the problem, which is out of control selfishness and greed.
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:07:01am |
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wrenchwench Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:08:05am |
I'm over 100 miles from the nearest mall. The only "shoppers" I'm seeing today are tourists in town to visit family. The real shoppers have either hit the road, or are hitting the keyboard. So today I'm giving out directions and recommendations of things to see and do. We'll see if they start asking about restaurants in a few hours.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:08:39am |
re: #5 Walter L. Newton
I refuse the engage in any of this made up holiday spirit, online or in the brick and mortar stores. What has this society come to when we have to literally put warning labels on shopping... "Visiting this Walmart during the holiday shopping period may result in your injury or death." Who finds this acceptable? And transferring your compulsion to doing your shopping online is simply another way to feed the compulsion. It's not a cure for the problem, which is out of control selfishness and greed.
What's selfish and greedy about shopping for gifts for other people?
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wrenchwench Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:09:16am |
re: #5 Walter L. Newton
I refuse the engage in any of this made up holiday spirit, online or in the brick and mortar stores. What has this society come to when we have to literally put warning labels on shopping... "Visiting this Walmart during the holiday shopping period may result in your injury or death." Who finds this acceptable? And transferring your compulsion to doing your shopping online is simply another way to feed the compulsion. It's not a cure for the problem, which is out of control selfishness and greed.
But if people are buying things to give away, how can that be selfishness and greed?
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:10:32am |
re: #3 jaunte
The explanations I have heard are:
1)the accountants look forward to seeing a retail store going into the "black."
2) One executive said to another "there are so many people out there that I cannot see the sidewalk. It is black from all the people."
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:11:27am |
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:12:22am |
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:12:23am |
Wow, this turkey soup came out fantastic! The usual holiday chatter from the family room has been reduced to near-silence, except for the sounds of slurping and swallowing.
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jaunte Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:13:14am |
re: #11 PhillyPretzel
It was a new use of the term to me; I think of it as describing a financial crisis;
maybe for some uncontrollable shoppers, it does.
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gegenkritik Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:13:54am |
Sorry, OT. You saw this video of a press-conference of Chavez and Ahmadinejad? So funny.
Translation (maybe someone with better Spanish language-skills can correct):
Chavez: He's coming from the depth of Persia, the great Persia. Ah, I have to correct, I was wrong, wrong. Thanks brother and master. From the islamic depth. One day they will come back.
Ahmadinejad: I am your student, President!
Chavez: (laughing) you explained this very good. The Imam number... eight!
Ahmadinejad: Twelve.
Chavez: Twelve! I was wrong again!
Ahmadinejad: The eighth Imam is in Mashad, where we have been.
Chavez: Ah, where we have been, thanks. I think I will continue studying, you see. Good, the Imam number twelve, called...
Ahmadinejad: Mahdi.
Chavez: Mahdi, Mahdi, Mahdi and Christ will return - together, holding hands... they will return.
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:14:59am |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
re: #10 wrenchwench
A lot of people I know do it for their own selfish pleasure. They couldn't care less about you.
Not doing so can also be motivated by selfish pleasures no? I think that gifting or not gifting isn't a good judgment of character.
Besides, a lot of people depend on this time of year for their own livelihood. Wouldn't it make you happy if people bought tickets to your theater to give away as gifts?
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:16:30am |
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:16:54am |
re: #15 jaunte
I am going to shop online right now. LLBean has some good stuff on sale.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:17:40am |
re: #17 Gus 802
Not doing so can also be motivated by selfish pleasures no? I think that gifting or not gifting isn't a good judgment of character.
Besides, a lot of people depend on this time of year for their own livelihood. Wouldn't it make you happy if people bought tickets to your theater to give away as gifts?
I don't care.
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jjmckay1216 Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:18:13am |
re: #19 PhillyPretzel
i thought Monday was the day for all the online discounts
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jjmckay1216 Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:19:09am |
re: #20 Walter L. Newton
and aparently bisexual HOT asian chicks who know football lol ;)
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:20:01am |
We shop to show kindness and love to our family and friends..We look for good deals not out of selfishness but because we are looking for the best deal for them...
It is better to give than receive...To see kids open their presents on Christmas morning.. The look in their eyes..the excitement as they tear away the paper...It is priceless and forever in a mom and dad's heart...
We give because we love
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:20:33am |
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:21:00am |
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gegenkritik Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:21:22am |
re: #21 MandyManners
Not anymore I think. Few days ago, when the two brothers in crime met in Venezuela, Chavez does not only embarrased Ahmadinejad with his ignorance about the Mahdi, but they also played the wrong anthem (from Shah) when Ahmadinejad arrived at the airport:
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:21:30am |
re: #25 HoosierHoops
We shop to show kindness and love to our family and friends..We look for good deals not out of selfishness but because we are looking for the best deal for them...
It is better to give than receive...To see kids open their presents on Christmas morning.. The look in their eyes..the excitement as they tear away the paper...It is priceless and forever in a mom and dad's heart...
We give because we love
kids suck
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:22:43am |
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:24:04am |
re: #28 gegenkritik
Not anymore I think. Few days ago, when the two brothers in crime met in Venezuela, Chavez does not only embarrased Ahmadinejad with his ignorance about the Mahdi, but they also played the wrong anthem (from Shah) when Ahmadinejad arrived at the airport:
[Video]
Doesn't Iran still have investments in Venezuela and other ties?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:24:47am |
re: #25 HoosierHoops
We shop to show kindness and love to our family and friends..We look for good deals not out of selfishness but because we are looking for the best deal for them...
It is better to give than receive...To see kids open their presents on Christmas morning.. The look in their eyes..the excitement as they tear away the paper...It is priceless and forever in a mom and dad's heart...
We give because we love
Sure... I'm pissed off right now, sorry to harsh anyone.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:25:59am |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
Sure... I'm pissed off right now, sorry to harsh anyone.
What put sand in your shorts?
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:26:00am |
re: #25 HoosierHoops
We shop to show kindness and love to our family and friends..We look for good deals not out of selfishness but because we are looking for the best deal for them...
It is better to give than receive...To see kids open their presents on Christmas morning.. The look in their eyes..the excitement as they tear away the paper...It is priceless and forever in a mom and dad's heart...
We give because we love
I felt like at kids at Christmas this morning thanks to you. Love ya, {Hoops}.
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jjmckay1216 Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:26:27am |
OK. I need a tatoo. My BFF was going to design one, but she never did. What do I get?
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:27:19am |
re: #36 jjmckay1216
OK. I need a tatoo. My BFF was going to design one, but she never did. What do I get?
A daisy?
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philosophus invidius Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:27:20am |
re: #25 HoosierHoops
We shop to show kindness and love to our family and friends..We look for good deals not out of selfishness but because we are looking for the best deal for them...
It is better to give than receive...To see kids open their presents on Christmas morning.. The look in their eyes..the excitement as they tear away the paper...It is priceless and forever in a mom and dad's heart...
We give because we love
Can't we also attend to our own self-interest w/o being immoral?
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:27:32am |
re: #36 jjmckay1216
OK. I need a tatoo. My BFF was going to design one, but she never did. What do I get?
A ships anchor with the word "Mom" below it.
/
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gegenkritik Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:27:50am |
re: #31 MandyManners
Of course, I was just kidding. It's so funny, because Chavez is such a dumbass and is embarrassing Ahmadinejad inadvertently.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:27:56am |
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:28:17am |
re: #40 gegenkritik
Of course, I was just kidding. It's so funny, because Chavez is such a dumbass and is embarrassing Ahmadinejad inadvertently.
How does one say "shut up" in Farsi?
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philosophus invidius Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:28:48am |
re: #36 jjmckay1216
OK. I need a tatoo. My BFF was going to design one, but she never did. What do I get?
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:29:31am |
The war on Christmas is really an attack on Americans' independence. We can't do anything anymore without our betters supervising what we drink, drive, eat, smoke or read. Surely we can't be trusted to celebrate on our own, either.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:29:49am |
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gegenkritik Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:29:53am |
re: #42 MandyManners
Dunno, but maybe King Carlos can also tell Ahmadinejad to shut up.
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:30:41am |
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philosophus invidius Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:30:49am |
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:32:41am |
re: #46 gegenkritik
Dunno, but maybe King Carlos can also tell Ahmadinejad to shut up.
I'd tell ShortShit something else.
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:32:56am |
re: #36 jjmckay1216
OK. I need a tatoo. My BFF was going to design one, but she never did. What do I get?
Get one right over your left eyebrow that says "Dammit, pay attention to me!!"
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:33:31am |
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:33:33am |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
Sure... I'm pissed off right now, sorry to harsh anyone.
Why are you pissed off? Call me Bro
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:33:42am |
re: #44 albusteve
The war on Christmas is really an attack on Americans' independence. We can't do anything anymore without our betters supervising what we drink, drive, eat, smoke or read. Surely we can't be trusted to celebrate on our own, either.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
Not surprising the Washington Slimes would print such a piece. One of the "founders" of the "War on Christmas" meme is the nativist Peter Brimelow- founder of Vdare. Considering the Slimes is itself pushing the nativist line, it's really a given they'd publish that editorial.
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:34:51am |
OT:
The Financial Post weighs in on the ClimateGate nontroversy
A French scientist’s temperature data show results different from the official climate science. Why was he stonewalled? Climate Research Unit emails detail efforts to deny access to global temperature data
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:35:00am |
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:36:31am |
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:37:36am |
re: #55 Sharmuta
Not surprising the Washington Slimes would print such a piece. One of the "founders" of the "War on Christmas" meme is the nativist Peter Brimelow- founder of Vdare. Considering the Slimes is itself pushing the nativist line, it's really a given they'd publish that editorial.
it used to be sporadic, now it's a common feature of the holidays...it's getting to be too much to expect that people use their thinking skills and values to defeat this sort of rub...it will probably pick up steam in the weeks ahead
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:37:39am |
re: #58 MandyManners
How does one say "fuck off" in Farsi?
خاموش fuck
That's how Google translated it.
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ghazidor Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:37:58am |
re: Charles
Maybe you’re the type of person who wakes up at 5 am and hits the stores on Black Friday with your checkbook clenched between your teeth and a cattle prod to fight off the crazed hordes
I just use a long pointy stick to fend them off, it is much more humane and less likely to draw lawsuits than a cattle prod.
/
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wrenchwench Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:38:45am |
re: #16 gegenkritik
That is hysterical. I tried to find a news article about it, but none of them mention that exchange.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:38:45am |
re: #60 Gus 802
خاموش fuck
That's how Google translated it.
It'd be bad of me to cut-and-paste that and send it to the Iranian delegation at the U.N., wouldn't it?
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:38:47am |
re: #36 jjmckay1216
OK. I need a tatoo. My BFF was going to design one, but she never did. What do I get?
A colorful picture of the hepatitis virus?
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:39:43am |
re: #63 MandyManners
It'd be bad of me to cut-and-paste that and send it to the Iranian delegation at the U.N., wouldn't it?
Maybe, but you've got my vote. :)
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:40:17am |
Damn, I didn't wake up when my alarm clock went off at 2:00 am so I could get up and race down to Best Buy to get in line at 3:00 am and get a ticket to stand in another line so when the doors opened at 5:00 am I could race to the netbooks area and maybe grab one of three in stock to save maybe $100.
Looks like that wouldn't have worked anyway as reports are that the lines were forming early on Thanksgiving Day. Hmmm...spending time with friends and family watching football on a big screen HDTV and eating some good grub or spending 20 hours on Thanksgiving Day in a parking lot in a lawn chair at Best Buy watching football on a Blackberry eating Taco Bell.
Well, there's always next year.
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jaunte Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:41:02am |
re: #55 Sharmuta
I guess The Washington Times haven't yet discovered the pagan roots of decorating with evergreen trees, holly, or mistletoe.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:41:34am |
re: #56 Bagua
OT:
The Financial Post weighs in on the ClimateGate nontroversy
A French scientist’s temperature data show results different from the official climate science. Why was he stonewalled? Climate Research Unit emails detail efforts to deny access to global temperature data
There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate... There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate... There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate... There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate...
Keep repeating that...
That's all I have been told by the AGW proponents, over and over for the last week, it's as if the emails and documents were made up or something. They are ignoring the emails and documents the same way they ignored any data that may have skewed their notions.
This is not science I am seeing here at all. But, that won't stop people from telling the world that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
Just wait, you'll see it again and again.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:41:49am |
re: #68 jaunte
I guess The Washington Times haven't yet discovered the pagan roots of decorating with evergreen trees, holly, or mistletoe.
Or, Saturnalia.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:42:04am |
Ah, Christmas! The time of egg nog, presents, trees, and the religious right whining about an imaginary "war."
'Tis the season to be a victim.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:42:14am |
Beat the crowds, support Israel and get great deals at the Zionist Mall.
OK I will stop pimping my store now.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:42:54am |
PETA Shows Again They Are Out of Their Minds:
The sudden death of beloved Georgia mascot Uga VII to an apparent heart attack last week opened the floodgates to an outpouring of goodwill for one of the shorter-lived (and least successful, frankly, in terms of the team's on-field performance) reigns in Uga history, including a private memorial service and burial in Sanford Stadium before last Saturday's sobering loss to Kentucky. It also opened up a window for the capable opportunists at PETA, who suggested the Bulldogs forego the eighth in a line of mascots from a family of English bulldogs and turn instead to our old friend, technology, in the form of college football's -- and perhaps the world's -- first robot mascot
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:43:42am |
re: #65 Sharmuta
Is it materialism that's got you down, Walter?
buttinski...
one important reason I liked Thanksgiving so much is the absence of materialism...you can define that holiday anyway you want...just a much needed break from daily routine to be with family and friend for no more reason than just that
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:45:15am |
I'm looking on Amazon and can't find my right wing conspiracies for Dummies
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:46:04am |
re: #73 Sharmuta
Second time today I've been forcibly reminded of Rags, Woody Allen's robot dog in Sleeper. The first was my horrified discovery of something called a "Zhu Zhu Hamster" that has taken the Christmas retail world by storm.
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:47:13am |
re: #44 albusteve
The war on Christmas is really an attack on Americans' independence. We can't do anything anymore without our betters supervising what we drink, drive, eat, smoke or read. Surely we can't be trusted to celebrate on our own, either.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
You have to wonder. What other organized group want to supervise "what we drink, drive, eat, smoke or read?" I suppose if that group is being led by James Dobson it's OK then.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:47:20am |
re: #68 jaunte
I guess The Washington Times haven't yet discovered the pagan roots of decorating with evergreen trees, holly, or mistletoe.
Shhh! No one wants to hear that part.
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ghazidor Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:47:43am |
re: #68 jaunte
I guess The Washington Times haven't yet discovered the pagan roots of decorating with evergreen trees, holly, or mistletoe.
Not only pagan in origin but actually prohibited according to the bible...
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:48:15am |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
... There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate...
Keep repeating that...
That's all I have been told by the AGW proponents, over and over for the last week, it's as if the emails and documents were made up or something. They are ignoring the emails and documents the same way they ignored any data that may have skewed their notions.
...
It turns out the CRU hockey team are the real Global Warming Deniers.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:49:19am |
re: #81 Bagua
It turns out the CRU hockey team are the real Global Warming Deniers.
What? That doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about? So it have something to do with science?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:49:53am |
re: #78 Gus 802
You have to wonder. What other organized group want to supervise "what we drink, drive, eat, smoke or read?" I suppose if that group is being led by James Dobson it's OK then.
The Left.
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:50:19am |
re: #79 Sharmuta
Shhh! No one wants to hear that part.
We must stop the Neo-Babylonian tradition of lighting Christmas trees!
/
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:51:51am |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
The Left.
Sure, but that's who he was focusing on in that Washington Times article. I was presenting the opposite. Prohibition wasn't exactly a leftist movement.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:52:29am |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate... There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate... There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate... There is nothing in those emails or documents that have anything to do with the AGW debate...
Keep repeating that...
That's all I have been told by the AGW proponents, over and over for the last week, it's as if the emails and documents were made up or something. They are ignoring the emails and documents the same way they ignored any data that may have skewed their notions.
This is not science I am seeing here at all. But, that won't stop people from telling the world that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
Just wait, you'll see it again and again.
I'm not ignoring anything. I've read many of the emails myself, and I've looked through the documents, including the source code everyone's screaming about, and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None.
This is a phony controversy. It was ginned up specifically to sabotage the Copenhagen meeting, and for no other reason.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:52:47am |
Maybe the VA couple who waltzed into the WH for Obama's first state dinner the other night will put their souvenir place cards up on Amazon for bid...///
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ghazidor Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:53:44am |
re: #84 Gus 802
We must stop the Neo-Babylonian tradition of lighting Christmas trees!
/
Well lighting them on fire certainly wouldn't be a good idea indoors at least. But hey to each his own I always say...
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:53:46am |
Don't think of it at as pagan materialism, think of it as your chance to participate in and promote capitalism.
/You're welcome.
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:56:06am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:57:59am |
re: #86 Charles
I'm not ignoring anything. I've read many of the emails myself, and I've looked through the documents, including the source code everyone's screaming about, and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None.
This is a phony controversy. It was ginned up specifically to sabotage the Copenhagen meeting, and for no other reason.
I hope you're right.
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:59:05am |
re: #86 Charles
I'm not ignoring anything. I've read many of the emails myself, and I've looked through the documents, including the source code everyone's screaming about, and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None.
This is a phony controversy. It was ginned up specifically to sabotage the Copenhagen meeting, and for no other reason.
So what I think is there is 672 MB's of emails..10,000 world class scientist's studies and papers and maybe 3 emails the far right is freaking out over..
Some freaking smoking gun...
The day somebody takes the raw data and refutes the data..I'll listen..When did 3 emails change the Scientific view on AGW?
Can somebody say reaching for straws?
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:59:31am |
re: #90 Bagua
ClimateGate - The Music Video
[Video]
More at Infowars and Prisonplanet!
Actually, I found a link to Infowars at that groups blog site.
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:04:26am |
re: #93 Gus 802
More at Infowars and Prisonplanet!
Actually, I found a link to Infowars at that groups blog site.
It's a parody.
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Gus Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:04:52am |
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:05:13am |
What would reduce more CO2?
Trade in a few clunkers?
or
Stop shipping billions of gallons of oil from the middle east across the oceans (using dirty filthy oil tankers) and drill here for oil?
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:06:47am |
re: #96 Racer X
We'll be saving tons of energy when the Cash for Caulkers program gets up and running...
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:08:50am |
re: #96 Racer X
What would reduce more CO2?
Trade in a few clunkers?
or
Stop shipping billions of gallons of oil from the middle east across the oceans (using dirty filthy oil tankers) and drill here for oil?
cash for clunkers was a vote buying spree...nothing more
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acwgusa Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:08:57am |
re: #96 Racer X
What would reduce more CO2?
Trade in a few clunkers?
or
Stop shipping billions of gallons of oil from the middle east across the oceans (using dirty filthy oil tankers) and drill here for oil?
Sealing up that hot air hole that is Congress?
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acwgusa Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:10:09am |
re: #97 tradewind
We'll be saving tons of energy when the Cash for Caulkers program gets up and running...
Call me when the Cash for Congressmen is initiated. I have a few I can trade in.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:12:10am |
re: #100 acwgusa
With any luck, that could be a non-issue after the midterms.
:)
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acwgusa Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:14:01am |
re: #101 tradewind
With any luck, that could be a non-issue after the midterms.
:)
Then it will be Cents for Senators.
/Yes, that was bad.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:14:59am |
re: #101 tradewind
With any luck, that could be a non-issue after the midterms.
:)
Don't bet on it.
Dem committees outraise GOP in October
WASHINGTON — Fundraising for Democratic campaign committees is surging, helping the party to extend a winning streak in competitive special elections and giving House Democrats a more than 3-to-1 advantage over Republicans in cash stockpiled for the battles ahead, campaign-finance reports show.
I'm surprised. It's true that the DCCC has been running tons of fundraisers, but I thought the big uptick in GOP donations in August had kept on going. Guess not.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:15:47am |
re: #71 Charles
Ah, Christmas! The time of egg nog, presents, trees, and the religious right whining about an imaginary "war."
'Tis the season to be a victim.
Did you see this bit of self-imposed victimhood?
Atheist groups wants to put up the sign: "Celebrating Solstice — Honoring Atheist War Veterans" next to nativity scene. Town responds by banning all public displays."
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:15:50am |
re: #96 Racer X
What would reduce more CO2?
Trade in a few clunkers?
or
Stop shipping billions of gallons of oil from the middle east across the oceans (using dirty filthy oil tankers) and drill here for oil?
Oil is traded on the world market. We don't get a whole lot of oil from the Middle East; most of our imports come from Canada, Mexico and parts of Central and South America. Supply and demand still operate, however, and a drop in supply in any region - including the Middle East - will have a worldwide impact on oil prices.
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acwgusa Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:15:59am |
re: #103 iceweasel
I'm surprised. It's true that the DCCC has been running tons of fundraisers, but I thought the big uptick in GOP donations in August had kept on going. Guess not.
Unfortunately, all the cash has been in GOP CrazyBucks.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:16:03am |
re: #76 SixDegrees
If you don't have your zhu zhu by now, fuhgeddabouddit. It's the new Tickle Me Elmo, aka ' can't find it'.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:16:52am |
re: #103 iceweasel
They're gonna need the dough, if the polls are accurate. R's showing points ahead of D's in Congressional preferences.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:18:17am |
re: #102 acwgusa
They could use some extra sense. I'm not holding my breath.
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:19:09am |
re: #107 tradewind
If you don't have your zhu zhu by now, fuhgeddabouddit. It's the new Tickle Me Elmo, aka ' can't find it'.
I just don't get it. Of course, I never got "Tickle Me Elmo" either. I would have preferred to see a "Knee Me Elmo" that emitted a high-pitched groan.
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:20:37am |
re: #109 tradewind
They're gonna need the dough, if the polls are accurate. R's showing points ahead of D's in Congressional preferences.
The party in power always out-raises the party out of power. The correct way to view this is that Democrats are selling their votes at three times the pace of Republicans.
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:20:59am |
Why will Democrats never embrace nuclear power?
Politics.
Herry Reid has campaigned against it for decades. He has staked his political future against it. Democrats are unwilling to throw Dingy Harry under the bus - even if it means 'saving the planet'.
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acwgusa Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:21:10am |
re: #112 SixDegrees
I just don't get it. Of course, I never got "Tickle Me Elmo" either. I would have preferred to see a "Knee Me Elmo" that emitted a high-pitched groan.
Rochambeau the nearest guy, then run like hell. Same effect.
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ghazidor Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:21:29am |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
Kind of a mischaracterization...only 157 MB total many of which are data files that cannot be properly accessed read without the specialized software. The 1073 emails are only 7.64MB and there are several dozen that show a problem in attitude as far the scientific method is concerned.
I am not, at all, a denier but I still have concerns about what I have read in those emails and also in the notes accompanying some of the data files. They show definite bias and advocacy along with willingness to "bend" the data to make it show what is desired.
Tree ring data is a small component of the overwhelming amount of AGW evidence, but it is one component that apparently is not ready for prime time, at least IMHO.
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:21:33am |
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:22:53am |
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:24:48am |
re: #103 iceweasel
I am betting on it, as a matter of fact. The avg gain for the out party in midterms is eighteen seats... I bet the R's will pick up twenty.
Of course, ya never can tell.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:24:54am |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:26:34am |
My boys are safe and sound in NY after a 17-hour flight from Mumbai!
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:28:41am |
re: #121 MandyManners
I love that word, ' something '. It's so nicely undefined and squishable.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:30:00am |
re: #122 Alouette
Congrats. Now get them to drop their duds on the back porch, while you fill up the machine with hot water and Clorox...///
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ghazidor Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:30:29am |
re: #123 tradewind
I love that word, ' something '. It's so nicely undefined and squishable.
So you like something or something?
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:32:01am |
re: #117 ausador
[...]
Tree ring data is a small component of the overwhelming amount of AGW evidence, but it is one component that apparently is not ready for prime time, at least IMHO.
The temperature graph the CRU produces from its monthly averages is the main indicator of global temperature change used by the International Panel on Climate Change, and it shows a steady increase in global lower atmospheric temperature over the 20th century.
The Tree ring data are a crucial component of the historical temperature reconstruction that attempts to give the global temperature back before the days of thermometers and temperature records.
Without an accurate historical temperature reconstruction, all we can do is measure temperature over the last century, but we could not say the warming was unprecedented.
No doubt, this will all lead to the data being fully disclosed and it will then be verified by independent scientists.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:32:36am |
re: #125 ausador
Down here we like to call it a little somethin'- sumpin'.
Covers a multitude of whatev.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:33:10am |
re: #122 Alouette
My boys are safe and sound in NY after a 17-hour flight from Mumbai!
Are their arms tired?
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:33:33am |
re: #126 Bagua
I'm gonna try to find an audio tape of some of these explanations and save them for those nights when you just can't sleep.///
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ghazidor Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:34:51am |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:35:29am |
re: #124 tradewind
Congrats. Now get them to drop their duds on the back porch, while you fill up the machine with hot water and Clorox...///
I said they're in NY, I didn't say that's where I am. Their wives have washers & dryers.
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:35:50am |
re: #104 Obdicut
I'm an atheist and I'm so sick of this yearly debate. I'm secure enough in my faith, or better put, lack thereof, where this sort of thing doesn't upset me in the slightest.
Go ahead Christians...put up the signs, nativity scenes, Christmas trees, play the music, all of it, and on public property for all I care. Enjoy this time of year. I'll join you in sharing some of the festivities.
Not all of us godless heathens want to make a point (and/or a lawsuit) just because we can.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:37:54am |
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:37:56am |
re: #132 borgcube
God bless us every one!
Seriously, what a nice cool breeze. Enjoy the season.
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wrenchwench Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:38:15am |
Oh, man. My life will be so much easier from now on!
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:39:21am |
re: #132 borgcube
I'm an atheist and I'm so sick of this yearly debate. I'm secure enough in my faith, or better put, lack thereof, where this sort of thing doesn't upset me in the slightest.
Go ahead Christians...put up the signs, nativity scenes, Christmas trees, play the music, all of it, and on public property for all I care. Enjoy this time of year. I'll join you in sharing some of the festivities.
Not all of us godless heathens want to make a point (and/or a lawsuit) just because we can.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
That was so sweet! We'll put in a good word so that when you burn in hell they keep the flame a little lower just for you.
/kidding!
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:40:36am |
re: #136 Racer X
That was so sweet! We'll put in a good word so that when you burn in hell they keep the flame a little lower just for you.
/kidding!
Or as ahem, Major Hasan would insist, boiling oil poured down my throat for eternity.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:41:45am |
re: #133 Alouette
Bedbugs are gross in theory, but they don't have germs or spread disease. I'm talking about exotic bugs... the bacterial / viral kind. Seriously, I used to make other half drop stuff at the back porch when he flew that one (I never did). Hotel was five star and fantastic, outside those gates, not so much.
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Cathypop Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:41:58am |
re: #135 wrenchwench
Oh, man. My life will be so much easier from now on!
[Video]
For some reason I want to slap the people who put that together. That is horrible.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:42:25am |
re: #137 borgcube
Ouch. What a freaking image. So ROP.///
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:44:35am |
re: #2 Gus 802
Okay, this is so depressing... after dinner last night my youngest son says ' Mom, you know tomorrow is Black Friday... that means somebody's gonna get killed '. I had to think for a minute and then realized he meant in a crush against locked doors.
I hope this year is different.
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wrenchwench Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:45:05am |
re: #139 Cathypop
For some reason I want to slap the people who put that together. That is horrible.
But wait, there's more!
In certain circles, that's hilarious.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:45:52am |
This is hilarious:
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:46:42am |
re: #135 wrenchwench
xtranormal.
Oh this is going to be fun.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:47:03am |
re: #143 reine.de.tout
They would declare one of my old golden retrievers a biohazard, then.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:47:23am |
re: #143 reine.de.tout
This is hilarious:
I'm gonna' send that to The Kid. He'll get a kick out of it.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:48:03am |
re: #131 Alouette
You dodged that one.
:)
Glad they are home safe.
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wrenchwench Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:48:08am |
re: #143 reine.de.tout
This is hilarious:
From your link:
"We could not only smell it, but we heard it and it was quite funny."Harkins said the pig's owner was "a little bit embarrassed to say the least," and it took fire crews a little while to compose themselves.
"It was fairly obvious what it was. I think we dealt with it fairly professionally and had a bit of a giggle when we got back to the station," he told public broadcaster ABC.
They're pretty good if they held it until they got to the station. I kinda doubt it!
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:49:48am |
Back to wrangling leftovers.
Have a good one, ya'll.
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ED 209 Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:50:20am |
re: #132 borgcube
I'm an atheist and I'm so sick of this yearly debate. I'm secure enough in my faith, or better put, lack thereof, where this sort of thing doesn't upset me in the slightest.
Go ahead Christians...put up the signs, nativity scenes, Christmas trees, play the music, all of it, and on public property for all I care. Enjoy this time of year. I'll join you in sharing some of the festivities.
Not all of us godless heathens want to make a point (and/or a lawsuit) just because we can.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I can concur with this for the most part- except the public property stuff. I would appreciate it if superstition was kept out of government as much as possible. It doesn't belong no matter how popular you think your flavor is.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:50:46am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:51:25am |
re: #146 MandyManners
I'm gonna' send that to The Kid. He'll get a kick out of it.
hah.
yes, of course he will.
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Bloodnok Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:54:07am |
re: #157 MandyManners
If you mention "hoses" I'm logging out and not logging back in for at least 2 hours.
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Cathypop Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:54:20am |
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:54:51am |
OMG! Tiger Woods was in a car accident! seriously injured..Details forthcoming
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:55:02am |
re: #159 Bloodnok
If you mention "hoses" I'm logging out and not logging back in for at least 2 hours.
Well, they're Canadian, so they're all hosers.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:55:34am |
re: #159 Bloodnok
If you mention "hoses" I'm logging out and not logging back in for at least 2 hours.
See No. 162.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:55:43am |
re: #161 HoosierHoops
OMG! Tiger Woods was in a car accident! seriously injured..Details forthcoming
Oh, no!
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:55:56am |
I am back from LLBean. A pair of slippers and some Bayside twill (the twill pants were 18.98). hmm not too bad. Now I have to shop for my dad (either LLBean or Barnes & Noble) and my step-mom (Macys or Bloomingdales)
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:56:05am |
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:56:07am |
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Bloodnok Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:56:23am |
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:57:38am |
re: #168 Bagua
Tiger Woods Accident, taken to hospital in "serious" condition
He hit a fire hydrant and then a tree after backing out of his driveway? DUI?
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:58:14am |
re: #170 Sharmuta
Local radio website says "serious" I hope he is okay.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:58:46am |
re: #141 tradewind
Okay, this is so depressing... after dinner last night my youngest son says ' Mom, you know tomorrow is Black Friday... that means somebody's gonna get killed '. I had to think for a minute and then realized he meant in a crush against locked doors.
I hope this year is different.
I always find the inevitable footage of people getting trampled to be sickening. Especially considering it's all over crap that people don't even need.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:59:35am |
re: #172 PhillyPretzel
Better than "critical", so we can hope.
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:01:13pm |
re: #152 ED 209
I can concur with this for the most part- except the public property stuff. I would appreciate it if superstition was kept out of government as much as possible. It doesn't belong no matter how popular you think your flavor is.
It's not worth all the animosity it causes. For just a month or so each year, can't we all put the lawyers to bed?
Besides, you want to talk about superstition on public grounds? I submit that almost every single bill coming out of our Congress and pushed by the White House these days is not only superstitious, but 100% faith based as well. Unless of course you believe that spending us into oblivion actually saves money. The religion of big government is far worse than any little Baby Jesus nativity scene set up in your local public park for a few weeks.
Our outrages are completely misplaced in our society nowadays.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:01:50pm |
Authorities say Tiger Woods has been seriously injured in a car wreck in Florida.
The Florida Highway Patrol says the PGA star hit a fire hydrant and a tree as he pulled out of his driveway early Friday in his 2009 Cadillac sport utility vehicle.
Woods was taken to Health Central Hospital. His condition was not immediately known, though the news release said his injuries were serious.
The highway patrol says the crash is still under investigation, and charges are pending. However, the highway patrol said the crash was not alcohol-related.
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
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gegenkritik Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:02:13pm |
re: #62 wrenchwench
That is hysterical. I tried to find a news article about it, but none of them mention that exchange.
Couldn't find something, too. Seems it's not "newsworthy" enough. However, here is the whole press-conference:
And here's a video of protests in Venezuela against Ahmadinejad's visit:
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:02:39pm |
He wrecked at 2:30 am coming out his driveway?
Oh lordy..Must have been in a fight or something...
Please not this...get better Tiger
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:03:42pm |
re: #179 HoosierHoops
God be with him, he's got those little children who need their daddy.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:04:41pm |
re: #177 Sharmuta
that is almost the exact article I read on KYW 1060 here in Philly. My prayers are with him.
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:05:47pm |
re: #180 Sharmuta
God be with him, he's got those little children who need their daddy.
Charges are pending...What?
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PhillyPretzel Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:06:31pm |
re: #182 HoosierHoops
That is what the AP is printing.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:06:35pm |
The airbags didn't deploy so he must not have been going fast. Was he wearing a seat belt?
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ED 209 Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:06:37pm |
re: #176 borgcube
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be making a stink about nativity scenes, but my preference is they not be there and, if it comes up, I'll say so.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:07:36pm |
re: #72 Alouette
Beat the crowds, support Israel and get great deals at the Zionist Mall.
OK I will stop pimping my store now.
I won't. Buy Ahava Products at the Zionist Mall! Support Israel, Alouette, and piss off Code Pink, who are conducting a campaign against Ahava! Perfect stocking stuffers! Lovely treats for yourself! Put a box of fragrant beauty products under the tree!
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:07:55pm |
re: #177 Sharmuta
What kind of charges can be pending if he wasn't drunk?
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:08:15pm |
re: #185 ED 209
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be making a stink about nativity scenes, but my preference is they not be there and, if it comes up, I'll say so.
Fair enough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:08:54pm |
re: #73 Sharmuta
Because being a mascot for a football team is a terrible, terrible fate for a dog. Dogs HATE being part of a team, and being paid attention to, and being loved.
//Oh, PETA. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the SPCA is the better organization?
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:09:48pm |
re: #188 MandyManners
What kind of charges can be pending if he wasn't drunk?
That's what I thought..News is reporting there are charges pending...
Uh ho...Domestic violence? I don't want to jump the shark...But what the hell?
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:10:19pm |
re: #188 MandyManners
What kind of charges can be pending if he wasn't drunk?
There may have been another car involved? That drove away? I don't know. I just hope he's okay and goes home to his kids. I don't even care if this ends his career, though it would be a sad day for golf. His kids are babies, and they need him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:11:19pm |
re: #76 SixDegrees
Second time today I've been forcibly reminded of Rags, Woody Allen's robot dog in Sleeper. The first was my horrified discovery of something called a "Zhu Zhu Hamster" that has taken the Christmas retail world by storm.
Oh yeah. The hamster is big this year.
I had a delightful Thanksgiving. My college BFF and I combined nuclear families to get a respectable eight people together around the table. There was lots of food, and ancestral china, and Band of Brothers on the TV so my nonsocial husband could go and do something with himself. There was lemon cake made out of lemons from the tree in the back, and two cats, and a pregnant lady who graciously let my parents feel her bump. It was a great holiday.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:11:48pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
That's what I thought..News is reporting there are charges pending...
Uh ho...Domestic violence? I don't want to jump the shark...But what the hell?
Egads. I hope not. DV is abhorent.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:11:49pm |
re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist
I won't. Buy Ahava Products at the Zionist Mall! Support Israel, Alouette, and piss off Code Pink, who are conducting a campaign against Ahava! Perfect stocking stuffers! Lovely treats for yourself! Put a box of fragrant beauty products under the tree!
I love their botanic body wash. Get one in every different fragrance.
/that was a public service announcement
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:11:57pm |
re: #80 ausador
Not only pagan in origin but actually prohibited according to the bible...
[Link: i603.photobucket.com...]
HOWL.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:12:22pm |
re: #193 Sharmuta
There may have been another car involved? That drove away? I don't know. I just hope he's okay and goes home to his kids. I don't even care if this ends his career, though it would be a sad day for golf. His kids are babies, and they need him.
All he hit according to both articles I've read were a hydrant and a tree.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:12:32pm |
re: #188 MandyManners
What kind of charges can be pending if he wasn't drunk?
Probably reckless driving. Late at night with no other cars on the road he might have just been driving too fast.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:13:21pm |
re: #199 Killgore Trout
Probably reckless driving. Late at night with no other cars on the road he might have just been driving too fast.
Air bags did not deploy, so he probably was not going fast.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:13:44pm |
This seems a more recent picture of the Woods children. Little Charlie is so cute.
Dear Lord, be with Tiger and his family. He was so happy to become a dad. Please don't take him from them yet, Lord.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:14:14pm |
re: #199 Killgore Trout
Probably reckless driving. Late at night with no other cars on the road he might have just been driving too fast.
The airbags didn't deploy and according to one article, that meant he was going under 33 m.p.h., and he had just backed out of his driveway.
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:15:27pm |
Or, the 'charges pending' wording could be SOP with the cops during an investigation?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:15:54pm |
re: #112 SixDegrees
I just don't get it. Of course, I never got "Tickle Me Elmo" either. I would have preferred to see a "Knee Me Elmo" that emitted a high-pitched groan.
My husband had a Tickle Me Elmo at some point in his youth. Then he became a man, and put away childish things. In a cardboard box in the back of a closet, to be precise. I found Elmo by stepping on him while hunting for something back there. Me, alone in the house, in a gathering winter twilight, in this dark little space, and suddenly this demonic giggle erupts from right under my left foot.
It was a very good cadiovascular workout, and I hardly moved, except to catapult backward into the wall behind me.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:16:08pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
There may be additional tire marks in the road? I have no idea. The Woods always seemed very happy, so I would be shocked if there was abuse in their marriage.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:17:16pm |
re: #206 Sharmuta
There may be additional tire marks in the road? I have no idea. The Woods always seemed very happy, so I would be shocked if there was abuse in their marriage.
Public image can hide DV.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:17:27pm |
Well folks, short day for me.
Y'all have a happy one, see you next week.
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:17:41pm |
re: #202 MandyManners
The airbags didn't deploy and according to one article, that meant he was going under 33 m.p.h., and he had just backed out of his driveway.
I hate to say this about one of my heros..
If I'm backing out of my driveway at 2:30 in the morning fast enough to be seriously hurt and no booze was involved and the cops say there are charges pending..Something bad happened...
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:17:56pm |
re: #208 MrSilverDragon
Well folks, short day for me.
Y'all have a happy one, see you next week.
Have a great weekend!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:19:42pm |
re: #209 HoosierHoops
Gosh, I hope he is okay.
Like Michelangelo unable to paint or sculpt.
At least Beethoven could still compose while deaf.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:19:43pm |
re: #209 HoosierHoops
I hate to say this about one of my heros..
If I'm backing out of my driveway at 2:30 in the morning fast enough to be seriously hurt and no booze was involved and the cops say there are charges pending..Something bad happened...
He wasn't going fast enough to deploy the airbags.
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:20:22pm |
re: #203 Varek Raith
Or, the 'charges pending' wording could be SOP with the cops during an investigation?
Destruction of public property - the fire hydrant.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:20:38pm |
re: #212 MandyManners
He wasn't going fast enough to deploy the airbags.
You don't have to be going fast in a vehicle to get injured seriously.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:20:45pm |
re: #201 Sharmuta
This seems a more recent picture of the Woods children. Little Charlie is so cute.
Dear Lord, be with Tiger and his family. He was so happy to become a dad. Please don't take him from them yet, Lord.
Oh, that's a cutie. Is the woman holding the little one Mrs. Woods?
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:20:55pm |
re: #203 Varek Raith
Or, the 'charges pending' wording could be SOP with the cops during an investigation?
yea..I have a long driveway..If I wrecked driving down it sober..There won't ever be charges pending...Something isn't right here...
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:21:19pm |
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:21:24pm |
re: #206 Sharmuta
There may be additional tire marks in the road? I have no idea. The Woods always seemed very happy, so I would be shocked if there was abuse in their marriage.
It could be a tumor?
/all speculation at this point.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:21:47pm |
re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, that's a cutie. Is the woman holding the little one Mrs. Woods?
Yes.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:21:50pm |
re: #215 Sharmuta
You don't have to be going fast in a vehicle to get injured seriously.
That's true.
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SteveC Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:22:02pm |
We're really facing a shortage of doctors!
Ozzie, the oldest of Zoo Atlanta’s 22 gorillas, has learned to take his blood pressure.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:22:15pm |
re: #209 HoosierHoops
I hate to say this about one of my heros..
If I'm backing out of my driveway at 2:30 in the morning fast enough to be seriously hurt and no booze was involved and the cops say there are charges pending..Something bad happened...
48 hour rule always applies. Let's see what comes up.
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:22:33pm |
re: #214 Racer X
Destruction of public property - the fire hydrant.
Yeah, I just think it's a little early to be jumping to more serious conclusions like DV.
re: #217 HoosierHoops
yea..I have a long driveway..If I wrecked driving down it sober..There won't ever be charges pending...Something isn't right here...
Beats me, I've stupidly peeled out of my driveway at high speeds a couple of times...
It'll be what it'll be.
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:23:15pm |
re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist
48 hour rule always applies. Let's see what comes up.
Indeed.
How we went from car accident to domestic violence is quite a stretch.
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KronoGhazi Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:24:32pm |
re: #225 Racer X
Indeed.
How we went from car accident to domestic violence is quite a stretch.
He's also an AGW denier and creationist, and he eats kittehs!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:24:49pm |
re: #177 Sharmuta
I'll never understand why these people continue to drive themselves.
Well, even if I were rich as Croesus, I guess I'd still want the freedom to leave my house in a huff, if I wanted to.
I'm assuming, that picking up the phone to call my driver to storm out of the house would kind of take the drama out of it.
Kind of like slamming the receiver down on a cell phone. Hard to punch that button with the same authority as slamming down the receiver on one of those twenty pound handsets from days of yore.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:25:37pm |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps I just answered my own question.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:25:47pm |
He's been released from the hospital.
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KronoGhazi Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:26:09pm |
re: #226 Sharmuta
He's a Buddhist. They're non-violent.
About 1% of the time he's playing golf, he's not. He gets real hot, slams his club into the ground. There's many golfers who never rage out.
This doesn't prove anything, but he does lose his cool and have little rageouts.
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:26:35pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:27:08pm |
re: #231 BigPapa
I know. I've watched many of them. I've been following Tiger's career since before he was pro. He's my fave, and I'm glad he's going home to his kids.
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:27:29pm |
re: #225 Racer X
Indeed.
How we went from car accident to domestic violence is quite a stretch.
Well..I agree about the 48 hr rule...But to wreck coming out of your driveway at 2:30 in the morning completely sober and the police are going to charge you with a crime..Something doesn't add up...
Update..Tiger has been released from the Hospital...
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ED 209 Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:28:00pm |
re: #201 Sharmuta
This seems a more recent picture of the Woods children. Little Charlie is so cute.
Dear Lord, be with Tiger and his family. He was so happy to become a dad. Please don't take him from them yet, Lord.
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:28:23pm |
re: #235 HoosierHoops
Well..I agree about the 48 hr rule...But to wreck coming out of your driveway at 2:30 in the morning completely sober and the police are going to charge you with a crime..Something doesn't add up...
Update..Tiger has been released from the Hospital...
According to CNN, using Google Earth, the hydrant he hit was about 100 feet from his driveway.
/grain of salt.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:28:31pm |
Wife is an Auburn fan.
An Auburn win would be good in my house.
And...
Bama just scored.
Poop.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:29:00pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:29:51pm |
CNN: Windermere, Florida mayor: Tiger Woods released from hospital, treated for facial lacerations.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:30:28pm |
re: #237 Varek Raith
According to CNN, using Google Earth, the hydrant he hit was about 100 feet from his driveway.
/grain of salt.
a check out tabloid says he's having an affair...FWIW...saw it a day or two ago, and yes Tiger is very hot tempered
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:30:32pm |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'll never understand why these people continue to drive themselves.
Well, even if I were rich as Croesus,...
What the heck, did Dennis Miller just pop in here?
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:31:00pm |
A source told WESH 2 News that Woods has been treated for facial lacerations.
Woods was driving a 2009 black Cadillac Escalade when he lost control and hit a fire hydrant outside his home and a tree outside his neighbor's home, FHP said.
[Link: www.wesh.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:31:30pm |
re: #239 MandyManners
Awww.
I suppose if I let my kids start class with the LOLCat version of the Lord's Prayer, I would be having a serious discussion soon after with Father Bob, our beloved director.
Teh Ceiling Cat of us, whu haz cheezeburger, yu be spechul
Yu ordered cheezburgerz,
Wut yu want, yu gets, srsly.
In ceiling and on teh flor.
Giv us dis day our dalee cheezburger.
And furgiv us for makin yu a cookie, but eateding it.
And we furgiv kittehs who be steelin our bukkits.
An do not let us leed into teh showa, but deliver us from teh wawter.
Ceiling Cat pwns all. He pwns teh ceiling and teh floor and walls too.
Forevur and evuhr. Amen.
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:32:22pm |
re: #237 Varek Raith
According to CNN, using Google Earth, the hydrant he hit was about 100 feet from his driveway.
/grain of salt.
I have a long driveway.. Last winter I woke up to 10 inches of snow..Completely stuck a 1/8 mile from the main road...I recall posting here that morning that Indiana Sucks..Time to shovel all morning...Dang Indiana weather sucks...
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:32:43pm |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
I suppose if I let my kids start class with the LOLCat version of the Lord's Prayer, I would be having a serious discussion soon after with Father Bob, our beloved director.
Teh Ceiling Cat of us, whu haz cheezeburger, yu be spechul
Yu ordered cheezburgerz,
Wut yu want, yu gets, srsly.
In ceiling and on teh flor.
Giv us dis day our dalee cheezburger.
And furgiv us for makin yu a cookie, but eateding it.
And we furgiv kittehs who be steelin our bukkits.
An do not let us leed into teh showa, but deliver us from teh wawter.
Ceiling Cat pwns all. He pwns teh ceiling and teh floor and walls too.
Forevur and evuhr. Amen.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:32:58pm |
re: #242 borgcube
What the heck, did Dennis Miller just pop in here?
Nah. I know what the reference means.
/
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:33:37pm |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I'd get a call from the principal at The Kid's school.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:33:58pm |
re: #243 Sharmuta
A source told WESH 2 News that Woods has been treated for facial lacerations.
Woods was driving a 2009 black Cadillac Escalade when he lost control and hit a fire hydrant outside his home and a tree outside his neighbor's home, FHP said.
[Link: www.wesh.com...]
his drive ended up in the rough, so to speak
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:34:48pm |
re: #248 MandyManners
Yeah, I'd get a call from the principal at The Kid's school.
Well, I like to encourage them to be more free-form with their prayers, but really, we start with the Lord's Prayer (non-Mass Catholic version), or the Hail Mary, and sometimes special intentions. A few of the Baptist kids know how to freeform.
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KronoGhazi Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:34:59pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:35:15pm |
re: #249 albusteve
his drive ended up in the rough, so to speak
Well, I suppose that it seems he's out of the hospital, let the golf puns commence!
/treading carefully :)
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:35:29pm |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
I have a long driveway.. Last winter I woke up to 10 inches of snow..Completely stuck a 1/8 mile from the main road...I recall posting here that morning that Indiana Sucks..Time to shovel all morning...Dang Indiana weather sucks...
buy a snow plow, pit it on a clunker...problem solved
shoveling snow can be bad for your health
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:36:44pm |
re: #253 Varek Raith
It suited the situation to a tee.
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:37:31pm |
re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It suited the situation to a tee.
I wondered who wood start punning.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:37:48pm |
re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It suited the situation to a tee.
this story will have alot of backspin on it for sure
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:38:19pm |
I'm not as well versed in golf terminology to come up with a witty remark. :(
:P
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:38:52pm |
re: #258 Varek Raith
I'm not as well versed in golf terminology to come up with a witty remark. :(
:P
then just cart yourself outa here
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:39:45pm |
re: #260 albusteve
Took a will of iron to make that joke.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:40:14pm |
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Bloodnok Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:40:23pm |
It is 3:30 and already dark. No time to putter about. I think I'll call this workday to an early close. BBL.
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abolitionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:40:37pm |
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:40:42pm |
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:41:42pm |
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Bloodnok Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:43:41pm |
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Racer X Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:43:48pm |
re: #268 Racer X
First a water hazard, then into the rough.
I thought he was a good driver?
Must have been tee'd off.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:46:27pm |
re: #132 borgcube
I'm not sure what your response had to do with the article. The atheist group wanted to put up a sign honoring atheist soldiers at solstice. To thwart that, the town banned all displays, including the Christian display.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:47:30pm |
re: #272 Varek Raith
CNN: Released and in good condition.
Facial lacerations, from what I read. Hopefully nothing to appearance altering.
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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:47:37pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:48:23pm |
re: #273 Obdicut
I'm not sure what your response had to do with the article. The atheist group wanted to put up a sign honoring atheist soldiers at solstice. To thwart that, the town banned all displays, including the Christian display.
They should maybe consider that an atheist soldier is one willing to give up the only life he or she expects to have in service to others, and get the hell over it.
Why solstice, though?
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:48:30pm |
This story is weird..
No man crashes his 60,000 dollar car driving out his driveway at 2:30 in the morning Sober and the cops have declared charges are pending...
Last I checked Tiger is pulling in 78 million dollars a year.. We may never know what happened...His lawyer will never let it happen..
Tiger has a real bad temper...Maybe he will be charged for killing a tree...
But something isn't right here...
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MandyManners Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:48:59pm |
re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist
They should maybe consider that an atheist soldier is one willing to give up the only life he or she expects to have in service to others, and get the hell over it.
Why solstice, though?
Yeah, isn't that a Roman thing?
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:49:06pm |
re: #271 albusteve
so Tiger drives a caddy?
*rimshot*
Seriously, he and GM turn this situation a hell of a good OnStar commercial...you know he had to have had on his Escalade.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:49:17pm |
re: #277 HoosierHoops
This story is weird..
No man crashes his 60,000 dollar car driving out his driveway at 2:30 in the morning Sober and the cops have declared charges are pending...
Last I checked Tiger is pulling in 78 million dollars a year.. We may never know what happened...His lawyer will never let it happen..
Tiger has a real bad temper...Maybe he will be charged for killing a tree...
But something isn't right here...
I agree...there is an ill wind blowing
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:50:04pm |
re: #279 talon_262
Oops, meant "Seriously, he and GM can turn this situation a hell of a good OnStar commercial...you know he had to have had on his Escalade.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:51:12pm |
re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist
They should maybe consider that an atheist soldier is one willing to give up the only life he or she expects to have in service to others, and get the hell over it.
Why solstice, though?
Probably for the same reason Christmas is around solstice.
I think that organized atheist groups tend to use astrological phenomenon and historical dates in their remembrances/celebrations. Solstice is a pretty natural one in the winter.
re: #278 MandyManners
Yeah, isn't that a Roman thing?
It's a thing that happens, twice a year. Most cultures have had festivals or rituals of some sort organized around midwinter-- the longest night.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:51:20pm |
Even the best golfer in the world could still do with driving lessons.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:51:30pm |
re: #277 HoosierHoops
Maybe the floormat slipped.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:51:35pm |
re: #281 talon_262
Oops, meant "Seriously, he and GM can turn this situation a hell of a good OnStar commercial...you know he had to have had on his Escalade.
his sense of humor may not reach that far...could be fun tho if it's an innocent mistake of some sort
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:52:41pm |
re: #282 Obdicut
It's a thing that happens, twice a year. Most cultures have had festivals or rituals of some sort organized around midwinter-- the longest night.
The Norse called it 'mother night'.
Most of the atheists I know just observe the holidays they grew up with--Solstice to me is a pagan thing--but really, whatever works for people.
I even approve of Kwanzaa.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:53:16pm |
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:54:37pm |
re: #273 Obdicut
I'm not sure what your response had to do with the article. The atheist group wanted to put up a sign honoring atheist soldiers at solstice. To thwart that, the town banned all displays, including the Christian display.
Oh please. Fine, it was wrong to have the town ban the festivities over a sign honoring the two atheists in the entire military who celebrate solstice. I'm sure the only thing the atheists had on their minds was to honor those two guys. Sure. No other motives there. None.
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:55:12pm |
re: #284 Rightwingconspirator
Maybe the floormat slipped.
Yea...Maybe the cops are going to charge the most famous Athlete in the world with some unknown crime cause of a defective floormat...or because he can't drive down a driveway straight
It could happen...
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freetoken Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:57:06pm |
Since the AGW-science-deniers are now so hot for George Monbiot, I figure it would be a good to enter his latest piece in the Links section.
He makes some interesting conjectures regarding the possible source of the public's vacillating beliefs:
One such is the critic Clive James. You could accuse him of purveying trite received wisdom, but not of being dumb. On BBC Radio 4 he delivered an essay about the importance of scepticism, during which he maintained that ''the number of scientists who voice scepticism [about climate change] has lately been increasing''. [...]
Had he bothered to take a look at the quality of the evidence on either side of this media debate, and the nature of the opposing armies - climate scientists on one side, right-wing bloggers on the other - he, too, might have realised that the science is in. In, at any rate, to the extent that science can ever be, which is to say that the evidence for man-made global warming is as strong as the evidence for Darwinian evolution, or for the link between smoking and lung cancer. [...]
Such beliefs seem to be strongly influenced by age. The Pew report found that people over 65 are much more likely than the rest of the population to deny that there is solid evidence that the planet is warming, that it's caused by humans, or that it's a serious problem. This chimes with my own experience. Almost all my fiercest arguments over climate change, both in print and in person, have been with people in their 60s or 70s. Why might this be? [...]
In 1973 the cultural anthropologist Ernest Becker proposed that the fear of death drives us to protect ourselves with ''vital lies'' or ''the armour of character''. We defend ourselves from the ultimate terror by engaging in immortality projects, which boost our self-esteem and grant us meaning that extends beyond death.
[...]
This goes along with my idea that what we are seeing in the AGW-denier camp is another reflection of the culture war.
That is, just as with evolution where the creationist fears the undercutting of their what-happens-to-me-after-I-die belief system, AGW threatens the what-happens-to-all-my-work-after-I'm-gone belief system that has empowered, especially in America, personal economics.
The acceptance of impermanence is a difficult thing.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 12:58:53pm |
re: #288 borgcube
No, I'm sure that they also wanted to reiterate the extremely important 'no establishment of religion' part of the constitution. Though I do think they wanted to highlight that, whatever your beliefs, our troops are of all creeds, classes, and colors-- including atheists.
You know that they didn't file a lawsuit, they just informed the town, as a courtesy, that they were putting the sign up?
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:04:08pm |
re: #290 freetoken
In, at any rate, to the extent that science can ever be, which is to say that the evidence for man-made global warming is as strong as the evidence for Darwinian evolution, or for the link between smoking and lung cancer.
That sort of exaggeration does more to harm the AGW camp than any email leak.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:10:48pm |
re: #293 Bagua
That sort of exaggeration does more to harm the AGW camp than any email leak.
It is not "exaggeration" to say that humans are affecting Earth's climate.
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:11:59pm |
re: #292 Obdicut
No, I'm sure that they also wanted to reiterate the extremely important 'no establishment of religion' part of the constitution. Though I do think they wanted to highlight that, whatever your beliefs, our troops are of all creeds, classes, and colors-- including atheists.
You know that they didn't file a lawsuit, they just informed the town, as a courtesy, that they were putting the sign up?
And that was the point of my original reply to you. I'm an atheist, I know what goes on in my fellow atheist circles. They love to make a scene and ruin other people's traditions they view as silly and worse, all nicely wrapped in this case of what they consider equally as nonsensical as Christmas, namely solstice, and with the threat of lawsuits always looming in the background to get their way.
I guarantee you that having all the signs removed was their intention from the get go. The town screwed up however, they should have allowed the stupid solstice sign to go up. That would have really pissed off the atheists. Not to worry though, they would have gone back to the drawing board and came back with something more outrageous, because in the end, the controversy and attention is what they're really after.
My atheist brethren are all too often petty and insecure.
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:13:46pm |
re: #294 freetoken
That sort of exaggeration does more to harm the AGW camp than any email leak.
It is not "exaggeration" to say that humans are affecting Earth's climate.
Your comparison with evolution and carcinogens, however, is meaningless. There is no valid metric available to make such a comparison. It is pure opinion, and when stated as an absolutist position as it was here, Bagua is perfectly correct to say that it can be harmful to those supporting AGW in that it smacks of arrogance and is easily dismissed as hyperbole.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:20:44pm |
re: #295 borgcube
I'm sorry, how are other atheists your brethren?
I think it's important to re-iterate, these days, the separation of church and state, because too many places-- like the town this occurred in-- act as though Christianity is the state religion. It's not, and there's a very good reason why it isn't.
Can you give me a case where an atheist group wanted to put up a simple sign, were allowed, and later "came back with something more outrageous"? I've never heard of anything like that happening. Can you give me an example?
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:22:15pm |
re: #294 freetoken
Taken to the active thread. The exaggeration is the suggestion that the evidence is equivalent to that showing the link between smoking and cancer or the theory of Evolution. AGW is not there yet.
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ryannon Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:27:56pm |
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Bagua Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:30:31pm |
re: #294 freetoken
That sort of exaggeration does more to harm the AGW camp than any email leak.
It is not "exaggeration" to say that humans are affecting Earth's climate.
That was not the quote I referenced. You are rewording it.
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wiffersnapper Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:33:40pm |
Happy Thanksgiving yesterday everyone! I would post in the Gobble day topic from yesterday but it's pretty inactive now. Anyway, yeah...
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 2:03:52pm |
re: #297 Obdicut
I can tell you of two cases here in San Diego, where for almost half my life the city residents had to listen to arguments, lawsuits, and more about a large cross on public lands.
I grew up on the foothills of one of these, and could see it from my bedroom window. There I was, a poor little atheist, forced to see that abomination on land that I owned. It tore me up. And it pissed me off.
Or should I say it did at one time? I finally had an atheist "epiphany" of sorts and realized that the cross up there really didn't have any influence on my life one way or another. From that moment on, it hasn't bothered me a bit. In fact, it has bothered me so little that I can't even recall seeing it that often since then, even though it's still there. Funny how that works.
About two decades of legal battles against the city brought about because of ONE GUY, who didn't want the cross up there. Eventually the city outsmarted the smartass and the land just around the cross was sold to a private firm. It was rather fitting to see a technicality deep six the technicality.
Also here in San Diego, the solstice shtick was tried on displays in Balboa Park. Didn't work. At first. So guess what happened? Lawsuits. Endless lawsuits. To me, that falls into the even more outrageous category. Eventually the city spent who knows how much money on lawyers and such, and in the end, the displays came down as a matter of finances, not because of any judicial decisions. Mission accomplished for the atheists. And don't even try for one second to put forth that this isn't or wasn't the goal in this case.
Go yelp about "In God We Trust" being on our currency for all I care. Me? I like collecting the stuff.
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Dr. Shalit Fri, Nov 27, 2009 2:39:01pm |
re: #2 Gus 802
I'm just going to hit the Safeway.
I have the LP of this album. Perfect condition!
Gus802 -
Have a nearly perfect copy of Aja, I transferred it to CD (Oh the "Audacity" - v.1.2.6) suggest you do the same with Katy Lied. I now consider all of my good LP's to be the equivalent of Master Tapes and treat them as such.
That is all.
-S-
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 3:26:37pm |
re: #302 borgcube
I'm sorry, I asked for a case where the atheists had originally wanted a small display, and then, when granted that, came back with something more offensive, as you claimed.
Can you not actually supply that, to back up your claim?
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Dr. Shalit Fri, Nov 27, 2009 3:31:09pm |
re: #9 MandyManners
Bah humbug.
Mandy -
Was sorely tempted to buy the $248.88 Emerson 32" from WalMart. It got my bargain hunter juices up in a way they haven't been stimulated for the last 23 and a half years, when I bought an "Ad Special" Panasonic VHS recorder from Crazy Eddie for $168, my FIRST VHS, got tired of looking for RENTAL Beta Movies, camped out in front of Crazy Eddie to make sure I got it. Didn't do it, main reason being that I already have a 37" Olevia 720p HDTV. The $79.88 Magnavox Blue Ray also caught my close attention. Again, didn't do it - unless something happens - SOON - I think Blue Ray is a Dead Format - Really Good - Just like "El-Cassette" - 3.75 ips Compact Cassette - Super VHS - 8mm Video - Mini-DV - Digital Compact Cassette - Mini Disc - APS Film - etc. Basically, too small of an installed base, not "priced to market" for too long - DVD was "priced to market" within 2.5 years of its release, and was obviously TWICE AS GOOD A PICTURE AS STANDARD VHS. Apex, for all of its FRAUD helped fuel this transition, as did Cyber-Home and Protron fuel the DVD Recorder mini-wave before Computer DVD Burners became cheap and Cable Company DVR's became ubiquitous. By the way, I still refuse to rent a DVR from my Cable Co., Have a DVD Recorder, which over 1 year is still a better buy! Still, $9.95/mo, nothing down still seems easier than about $1-200 out of pocket for a DVD Recorder for most folk. As for Blue - Ray, put it like this, up-converting players make the difference - TO EYE - minimal. Hint, Blue - Ray - up-convert to at least 120 if not 240 Hz or cease respiration, all'y'all aren't "Good Enough Better." That is all.
-S-
Standard Was At The Time
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 3:47:11pm |
re: #304 Obdicut
If tying up the city with endless lawsuits isn't enough of an example of coming back with something more offensive for you, then too bad. What do you want me to say, they came back with an even bigger sign?
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 3:53:20pm |
re: #306 borgcube
Well, something that actually fit the claim you made, rather than being completely different from it, would be good, yes.
The cases aren't the least bit comparable. In this case, the atheist group completely legally were going to put up a sign, and the town changed the law to stop them.
Your example is atheists wanting a cross taken down from public land, and the city fighting them bitterly to keep it enshrined.
In both cases, we do see a city fighting an improper fight with atheists, but I'm not sure why you blame the atheists in both cases.
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tradewind Fri, Nov 27, 2009 4:40:49pm |
re: #36 jjmckay1216
Potentially, Hep C if you choose the wrong parlor.///
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 5:20:29pm |
re: #307 Obdicut
Well, something that actually fit the claim you made, rather than being completely different from it, would be good, yes.
The cases aren't the least bit comparable. In this case, the atheist group completely legally were going to put up a sign, and the town changed the law to stop them.
Your example is atheists wanting a cross taken down from public land, and the city fighting them bitterly to keep it enshrined.
In both cases, we do see a city fighting an improper fight with atheists, but I'm not sure why you blame the atheists in both cases.
Improper to you, Lord Obdicut. Can I say Lord without having you go into convulsions?
My example was spot on, you just didn't like it. You also didn't obviously get the whole point I was trying to make beyond this one story.
The Pennsylvania atheist group never wanted its sign to really go up, I'll wager the farm on it. This was all about scoring debate points and making their petty little voices heard just because they could. I assure you based on my years involved with similar groups in my youth that they gleefully rubbed their hands together when all the displays came down. They love to play the victim and stir the pot just for the sake of stirring the pot. It makes for great discussion and back slapping at the next atheist meeting.
November and December for these groups is their happiest time of year. They get noticed beyond their "we're so much smarter and enlightened than theists" monthly bore fest meeting in someone's basement.
Every year, it's the same old shit. We'll hear about 10 more similar stories this year with the same arguments over and over again. 10 months later, rinse and repeat.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 27, 2009 5:28:28pm |
re: #309 borgcube
Again: Can you give any examples of this? You haven't done anything at all to support your contention that the atheists wanted to score debate points with their action. It is obvious they wanted people to think about atheism, in the same way a nativity scene wants people to think about Christianity. I fail to see why you dismiss the atheists as wanting cheap debate but not the Christians.
You don't seem to think that strong separation of church and state is important, either. I'm not sure why.
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borgcube Fri, Nov 27, 2009 7:10:38pm |
re: #310 Obdicut
Again: Can you give any examples of this? You haven't done anything at all to support your contention that the atheists wanted to score debate points with their action. It is obvious they wanted people to think about atheism, in the same way a nativity scene wants people to think about Christianity. I fail to see why you dismiss the atheists as wanting cheap debate but not the Christians.
You don't seem to think that strong separation of church and state is important, either. I'm not sure why.
Christians just wanted to have their religious displays up. Atheists wanted to intrude on their party. So instead of fighting with the atheists and probably ending up in court as has been the case (and your EXAMPLE you want over and over again around the country...do you even pay attention at all to this subject for crying out loud?) they decided to pack it up.
It's the atheists who wanted to rumble, like they always do. And like they do every year at this time.
I don't want a state established religion. In fact, I don't want a state established too much of anything for that matter. However, putting up a nativity scene at Christmas time on public land for a few weeks isn't a threat to me whatsoever. Or you for that matter unless you've got the intestinal fortitude of cooked spaghetti, which is becoming increasingly likely here. Insisting that some dumb ass solstice for atheists signs have to go there too is just petty and provocative, intended to disrupt just as it did.
I'm sure the atheists could have set up their solstice sign somewhere else on public property. Of course, no one would have even noticed. And Christians probably wouldn't have stormed the site with Santa and Jesus plastic light-up figures just to make a point and pick a fight either. But the atheists would never risk that, as the fun of the season would be over.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 28, 2009 5:03:17am |
Christians just wanted to have their religious displays up. Atheists wanted to intrude on their party. So instead of fighting with the atheists and probably ending up in court as has been the case (and your EXAMPLE you want over and over again around the country...do you even pay attention at all to this subject for crying out loud?) they decided to pack it up.
So, Christians wanted their displays up, atheists wanted their displays up, and the Christian response was to want to fight the atheists over putting their displays up and in the end just packed everything up instead of letting the atheists put their signs up.
Somehow, you feel this shows atheists in a bad light. I'm not sure why.
There is no way to ensure the separation of church and state and ensure that Christianity is enshrined above other religions, and above the lack of religion.
That's the whole point of not establishing a religion; to prevent one religion from being the only acceptable public display.
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