Black Friday Becomes Cyber Monday

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If the urge to shop hasn’t been beaten out of you by the Black Friday stampedes, Amazon is still offering incredible discounts on popular items for their Cyber Monday Deals.External Image

Check out the Cyber Monday ElectronicsExternal Image page in particular for discounts of up to 70% (or more) on the latest gadgetry.

(Note: if you click through to Amazon from one of our links, LGF gets a small percentage in referral fees on all qualifying revenue.)

UPDATE at 11/29/09 5:55:10 pm:

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1 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:01:23pm

Buy this camera for my studio and I'll shoot your web images free for the life of the camera...

Okay just kidding but wow what a camera...

2 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:02:29pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

I hope Santa is reading this thread!

I wonder if Charles got the watch he was looking at?

3 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:03:36pm

Amazon doesn't have what I want for Christmas- an LGF calendar!

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:05:30pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Buy this camera for my studio and I'll shoot your web images free for the life of the camera...

Okay just kidding but wow what a camera...

The EOS 7D is a killer camera. I've been lusting after it for months. But that price tag is daunting.

5 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:08:36pm

re: #4 Charles

Only 2 left, you'd both better hurry!

6 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:09:56pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

If you're going with the 7D, why not go a step further. And I'd be able to use all my existing lenses. Of course, that's a mortgage payment or two, and which comes first? Mortgage or the killer camera to end all cameras?

I know.

The camera. /

7 freetoken  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:10:04pm

re: #4 Charles

I'd rather have one of these, but I'm old-school.

8 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:12:36pm

re: #4 Charles

Yes, for now. I am really after the video possibilities. SLR depth of field and the available lenses make really creative "depth of field" scenes pop. At the LA rock clubs OMG! The doormen have no idea SLR's do video. And one of my favorite local bands is about to release a new CD and tour it in LA.

9 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:12:46pm

re: #6 lawhawk

I'll wait until we have your product review!!

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:13:19pm

re: #7 freetoken

I'd rather have one of these, but I'm old-school.

Yeah, the SpeedGraphic. I used to use one of those in my high school photo club. They are capable of taking excellent pictures.

11 freetoken  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:13:50pm

As far as "DSLR"s go, I think the Panasonics have much going for them - small, and that articulating LCD really brings home the digital advantage of convenience.

Yeah, technically if it doesn't have a mirror we shouldn't call it an DSLR, but oh well...

12 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:13:52pm

re: #7 freetoken

There's old school, and then there's old school taken to a whole different level. Medium format Hasselblad with full digital 39mp. Of course, the price is a wee bit steep.

That's a money no object camera.

13 Bear  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:14:53pm

re: #4 Charles

Just wait a couple months and most likely there will be a new and better camera on the market.

14 freetoken  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:15:32pm

re: #12 lawhawk

That's a money no object camera.

Hey, you're in the law business... you can afford it!

15 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:15:52pm

re: #11 freetoken

The Lumix is pretty good. Just got the Mrs. a Lumix FZ-35, which isn't quite an SLR, but has nearly all the features of one. That will make quite the backup to my XTi.

16 jaunte  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:15:54pm

What's he shooting with?
Image: road1.jpg

17 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:16:11pm

re: #4 Charles

The EOS 7D is a killer camera. I've been lusting after it for months. But that price tag is daunting.

$1,900 for the body? Holy shit, batman.

18 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:16:36pm

re: #14 freetoken

Who's counting? And even us legal types have a budget. :)

19 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:17:50pm

re: #7 freetoken

Someday I'll go for one of those. Very challenging to use well. The ability to shift the focal plane is very appealing.
re: #12 lawhawk

I am less impressed with the digital backs. They are so small! It's really a scan job. There are no 4x6 or 8x10 sensors yet, at least not for us consumers. I'd use film after using the digital back to set up. The Hasselblad optics are to die for though!

20 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:19:02pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Canon is not yet actually shipping bodies. They are pushing kits with lenses for now. A friend is a Canon dealer. Kits only for now.

21 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:19:08pm

re: #16 jaunte

What's he shooting with?
[Link: home.catv.ne.jp...]

Is that from the new Sherlock Holmes movie?

(Can' wait!)

22 jaunte  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:19:42pm

re: #21 austin_blue

No, that's from Road to Perdition.

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:20:35pm

re: #4 Charles

The EOS 7D is a killer camera. I've been lusting after it for months. But that price tag is daunting.

Oh, c'mon Charles. LGF is worth, what? 1.5 million dollars?

Go on. Git yerself a fancy camera...

24 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:20:51pm

re: #21 austin_blue

Is that from the new Sherlock Holmes movie?

(Can' wait!)

Can't

Pffft. Moron.

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:21:44pm

re: #24 austin_blue

I think the movies looks awful... though it does have RDJr innit.

Never imagined Holmes as an action hero.

26 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:22:03pm

It's great to see our photographers come out to play. Hey Charles, with all due respect to your privacy, I can see why you are quiet about where you get your shots. But some info like the camera you used and the settings are appealing to us fellow camera bugs.

27 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:23:00pm

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think he has a very good camera. You can not expect a point and shoot to get good beach shots from the Denver Airport... :)

28 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:25:35pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator

It's great to see our photographers come out to play. Hey Charles, with all due respect to your privacy, I can see why you are quiet about where you get your shots. But some info like the camera you used and the settings are appealing to us fellow camera bugs.

He will sometimes say what camera he uses on his photo posts. Check the fine print on some of them (use the "Photography" link on a photo post and you will see the photo threads).

29 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:26:06pm

re: #28 Bloodnok

Thx! Will do.

30 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:27:25pm

re: #29 Rightwingconspirator

Thx! Will do.

I'll save you some time. Try this link.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

31 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:28:04pm

re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think the movies looks awful... though it does have RDJr innit.

Never imagined Holmes as an action hero.

We'll see. I like Guy Ritchie's stuff. He has done modern London Underbelly to a T. I think it'll be fun to see him do 1890 London Underbelly.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:29:49pm

Yesterday was the Marine friend's funeral.

Two Full-Bird Colonels folded his flag, and presented it to his widow. From what I understand, it is very rare for officers to do that for an enlisted man.

The Colonel who presented the flag cried as he gave it to her; took him two minutes to squeeze out the "grateful country" speech.

Was a lovely service.

33 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:30:45pm

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, c'mon Charles. LGF is worth, what? 1.5 million dollars?

Go on. Git yerself a fancy camera...

I have a couple of really good cameras, including a Nikon D90 with several good lenses and filters.

But I'm a bit of a gadget addict. There's always something better.

Check out this video demo of the EOS 7D to see the kinds of stuff it can do:

Vimeo
34 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Respects & prayers to the fallen.

35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:33:42pm

re: #33 Charles

Cool.

I remember you posting something about the reported value of LGF. I still giggle about it. You offered to sell it pretty cheap.

36 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:37:58pm

re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Focus shifting and depth of field will be the SLR dominance over hand held consumer video for years. You would spend $3000 or far more on a video camera with a variety of lenses like any SLR has available. As a video camera the 7D is dirt cheap. As an SLR middle ground. Alas as Charles says there is always something better.

37 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:39:22pm

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yesterday was the Marine friend's funeral.

Two Full-Bird Colonels folded his flag, and presented it to his widow. From what I understand, it is very rare for officers to do that for an enlisted man.

The Colonel who presented the flag cried as he gave it to her; took him two minutes to squeeze out the "grateful country" speech.

Was a lovely service.

When we buried my dad in Arlington, the entire experience was extraordinary. Bless the US Marines. No one does it better.

My deepest condolences on the loss of your friend.

{{{FBV}}}

38 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:40:22pm

Here's a cheap and healthy recipe for even the most novice cook...
Broccoli Soup

Youtube Video

Notice he does two presentations; one with cheese and the other without. If you choose the no cheese version the cost is pennies per serving. Even with the cheese it's still damn cheap and couldn't possibly be simpler.

39 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:40:58pm

re: #33 Charles

Would you like this for your birthday?

(NOT a Photoshop)

40 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:41:26pm

Wow...Chargers are just butchering the Chiefs. Still 24+ hours to go for kickoff at the Superdome.

Lotsa good college games yesterday, tho'.

41 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #40 Fenway_Nation

Wow...Chargers are just butchering the Chiefs. Still 24+ hours to go for kickoff at the Superdome.

Lotsa good college games yesterday, tho'.

We've got Arizona/Tennessee. Good game.

42 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:45:39pm

re: #12 lawhawk

There's old school, and then there's old school taken to a whole different level. Medium format Hasselblad with full digital 39mp. Of course, the price is a wee bit steep.

That's a money no object camera.

The one review for that $33,000 Hasselblad is hilarious:

I purchased this camera in lieu of paying rent on my apartment for 4 years, and believe me when I say it was worth it. I used the box that it came in as a hat and some other boxes for a home. It's uncomfortable but the pictures I've taken of my new home are so sharp that you can see the fleas on the brick I use for a pillow. I can also take high detail pictures of my children (who I am no longer able to see due to court order resulting from gross negligence) from an acceptable distance. Highly recommended!

43 armylaw  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:45:53pm

re: #33 Charles

For an entry level DSLR, what do you recommend? I was looking somewhat seriously at a Nikon D5000.

44 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:46:32pm

re: #41 austin_blue

Yesterday's NCAA games were so good, I actually missed the Boston Bruins play because I was going from game-to-game between ESPN, CBS, ABC, XM Sattelite Radio, internet streaming and the regular AM radio last night.

I'm not usually one to pass up an NHL contest, especially when Boston's involved.

45 armylaw  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:47:53pm

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it depends on the relationship between the officers and enlisted. For a lot of enlisted, the flag being given by their sergeants means more than from the officers, but there are exceptions. Certainly, as sergeants move up the ranks, they tend to get close to their officer counterparts.

46 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:49:55pm

re: #43 armylaw

For an entry level DSLR, what do you recommend? I was looking somewhat seriously at a Nikon D5000.

Haven't used the D5000, but I really like my Nikon D90.

47 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:51:17pm

I think the D5000 and the D90 are very similar in terms of features, but the D90 has more of a traditional SLR-type body, with some weight and solidity to it. The D5000 seems to be lighter and less "professional" in build quality. The software is the same, I think.

48 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:55:14pm

re: #43 armylaw

I'm partial to Canon, and I started with a film Rebel 2000. Going to the Canon DSLRs was natural since all my existing lenses work.

If you're starting for scratch, the best advice is to go to a camera store that has the Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, and Sony body/kits and get a feel for them. You've got to see which one has a good feel in your hand.

I preferred the Canon body to the Nikon, but that's my preference.

Bear in mind that Canon and Nikon generally have more lenses and other accessories than other brands, although Tamron and Sigma also make lenses and other accessories for the other brands.

Also, if you go with a Canon or Nikon, you'd have to get lenses with vibration reduction/image stabilizers, since the bodies don't have them. That adds cost to the lenses, and there are tradeoffs to that feature being on the body.

Hope that helps some.

49 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:56:01pm

You can have your fancy DSLRs (ok I have an og Canon 1D...brass body!) and lenses and stuff. I'm moving back to the 19th Century and starting a pinhole/salted print project next summer.
This is the camera I think I'll buy

50 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:58:36pm

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

Yesterday's NCAA games were so good, I actually missed the Boston Bruins play because I was going from game-to-game between ESPN, CBS, ABC, XM Sattelite Radio, internet streaming and the regular AM radio last night.

I'm not usually one to pass up an NHL contest, especially when Boston's involved.

Next week will be interesting, too. I'll assume that Texas will beat Nebraska (You know what that big "N" on their helmet stands for? Knowledge!), setting up a BCS game with the winner of the Alabama /Florida game, but I gotta tell you, I don't think *anyone* in the country wants to play TCU right now.

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:59:17pm

re: #49 Jeff In Ohio

My sister made a camera out of an oatmeal container when she was in college.

52 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:59:51pm

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

My sister made a camera out of an oatmeal container when she was in college.

Camera obscura?

53 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 3:59:53pm

re: #49 Jeff In Ohio

You can have your fancy DSLRs (ok I have an og Canon 1D...brass body!) and lenses and stuff. I'm moving back to the 19th Century and starting a pinhole/salted print project next summer.
This is the camera I think I'll buy

How highfalutin'. This has been plenty good enough for me.

54 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:00:03pm

re: #49 Jeff In Ohio
Love that pinhole thing. Have you seen the Legacy Project?

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:00:55pm

re: #52 austin_blue

Camera obscura?

Quaker Oats.
/

56 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:02:44pm

re: #55 Cannadian Club Akbar

Quaker Oats.
/

I assume the film is really grainy.

57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:04:50pm

re: #56 austin_blue

I assume the film is really grainy.

I didn't take the class, but they put film (a negative?) in the bottom and a pinhole in the top and covered it. Then exposed it for X amounts of second/minutes.

58 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:05:17pm

re: #56 austin_blue

The images barley could be made out...

59 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:05:28pm

re: #56 austin_blue

I assume the film is really grainy.

Yes, quite mealy.

60 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:06:09pm

re: #59 Bloodnok

Yes, quite mealy.

Wheat a punster you are!

61 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:06:26pm

re: #54 Rightwingconspirator

Um, wow. I knew of some folks in San Fran (I think, it was 30 years ago) who converted a box delivery truck as a mobile pinhole, but wow, an aircraft hanger. That's damn impressive!

I mostly just want to make portraits on gold toned salted prints, which require contact printing in sunlight. I'd love to have a 8x10 field camera (no $$) or make internegs from my Mamiya 7, but don't have a place to set up a darkroom right now, so the pinhole looks appealing. Pretty too!

62 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:06:33pm

re: #60 austin_blue

Wheat a punster you are!

I've herd he has a rye sense of humor.

63 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #56 austin_blue

I assume the film is really grainy.

The film gets rolled before use.

64 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:06:58pm

re: #62 MandyManners

I've herd he has a rye sense of humor.

Aw, go awn...

65 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:07:36pm

re: #60 austin_blue

Wheat a punster you are!

Be sure to remove the film from the canister before you cook and eat the oats or you'll get sorghums.

66 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:08:48pm

re: #62 MandyManners

I've herd he has a rye sense of humor.

I'm just an alfalfa male.

67 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:09:21pm

re: #65 Bloodnok

Be sure to remove the film from the canister before you cook and eat the oats or you'll get sorghums.

Was sorghums spelt right?

68 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:10:04pm

re: #66 Bloodnok


There's a kernel of truth to that, I'm sure

69 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:11:54pm

More cyber Monday deals can be found here.

70 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:12:07pm

A real challenge would be to make an oatmeal box out of a camera.

71 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:13:13pm

Good grief. Vince Young just finished off an 18-play, 99-yard drive to beat the Cards with no time left on the clock, including three fourth down plays.

72 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:13:35pm

re: #70 Bagua

I made a compost bin out of a futon frame...

73 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:13:38pm

re: #71 austin_blue

Good grief. Vince Young just finished off an 18-play, 99-yard drive to beat the Cards with no time left on the clock, including three fourth down plays.

The Cardinal QB is a hottie.

74 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:14:24pm

re: #72 Jeff In Ohio

I made a compost bin out of a futon frame...

Recycling twice! Well played!

75 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:15:04pm

re: #73 MandyManners

The Cardinal QB is a hottie.

As a heterosexual male, even I can appreciate that. Handsome kid.

76 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:15:12pm

re: #72 Jeff In Ohio

I made a compost bin out of a futon frame...

Clearly, but make a Futon frame out of compost and we'll talk.

77 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:15:43pm

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

There's a kernel of truth to that, I'm sure

I'm just trying to live in peace and hominy.

78 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:17:18pm

re: #75 austin_blue

As a heterosexual male, [...]

Those pictures of you and the quarterback notwithstanding.

79 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:17:34pm

re: #77 Bloodnok

I'm just trying to live in peace and hominy.

Which reminds me that they are remaking "True Grits".

80 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:18:21pm

re: #79 austin_blue

Which reminds me that they are remaking "True Grits".

A-maize-ing.

81 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:18:26pm

re: #78 Bagua

Those pictures of you and the quarterback notwithstanding.

Hey! They wuz Photoshopped!

82 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:18:59pm

re: #69 lawhawk

I often find myself at this place- altho' they're mostly categorized by retailer.

83 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:19:06pm

Well, this is ugly.

Uganda proposes death penalty for HIV positive gays
and you can go to jail for failing to turn in gay people, or defending their rights.

The Bill proposes a three-year prison sentence for anyone who is aware of evidence of homosexuality and fails to report it to the police within 24 hours. And it would impose a sentence of up to seven years for anyone who defends the rights of gays and lesbians.

Who is behind such primitive, hateful thinking?
The American Christian fundamentalist group known as the Family.

The Family: DC’s C Street Group Tied To Proposed Death Penalty for Gays in Uganda

84 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:19:32pm

re: #70 Bagua

A real challenge would be to make an oatmeal box out of a camera.

I know of a couple guys that went through my graduate program who made a latent image out of a camera obscura set up with grass seed glued to the focal plane. IIRC the exposure took a month, but the image had density, where more light hit the grass grew greater, in the shadows there was only seed.

85 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:21:21pm

re: #83 iceweasel

Well, this is ugly.

Uganda proposes death penalty for HIV positive gays
and you can go to jail for failing to turn in gay people, or defending their rights.

Who is behind such primitive, hateful thinking?
The American Christian fundamentalist group known as the Family.

The Family: DC’s C Street Group Tied To Proposed Death Penalty for Gays in Uganda

Well, there's your buzzkill for an entertaining thread! No offense, Ice, but eeww...

86 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:21:45pm

re: #83 iceweasel

Jeez Ice, way to harsh the mood.

Are there no Scots for you to torment?

87 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:22:09pm

re: #85 austin_blue

GMTA

88 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:22:28pm

re: #87 Bagua

GMTA

Indeed.

89 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:23:17pm

re: #61 Jeff In Ohio

Love the old school approach. I shot film a long time before I got my first digital SLR. Some inexpensive 120 film and a cardboard box can be made to work. Us high tech guys get spoiled-Auto focus, stabilization, 3200 ISO etc. Ya know what? I have had my semi professional ass handed to me by far less capable gear in the hands of good people. Bless anyone with a natural eye for composition. I had to work for it.

90 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:24:06pm

re: #83 iceweasel

Terry Gross/Fresh Air had an interview with the guy that wrote The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power and they talked a bit about what's going on in Uganda. It's a good, but troubling listen.

91 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:24:26pm

re: #85 austin_blue

Well, there's your buzzkill for an entertaining thread! No offense, Ice, but eeww...

re: #86 Bagua

Jeez Ice, way to harsh the mood.

Are there no Scots for you to torment?

He's fighting with his computer over something. :)

I know, I'm bringing you down maaan. Sorry!

93 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:25:28pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

Terry Gross/Fresh Air had an interview with the guy that wrote The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power and they talked a bit about what's going on in Uganda. It's a good, but troubling listen.

Yes, exactly-- that second link I gave has some excerpts from that interview. I'll have to give it a listen at some point. I really want to read it.

94 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:25:40pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

It is the eye that counts, not the equipment.

95 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:28:02pm

re: #61 Jeff In Ohio

You can make good photos on blueprint paper loaded into a roleiflex, the exposures take a few minutes, then run the paper through a blueprint machine.

96 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:29:13pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

re: #94 Ojoe

Indeed. I'm trying to figure how I'll frame if I end up with that 8x10 pinhole. I'll have to shoot some grids and make a wire frame with a parallax offset...or something.

97 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:29:45pm

re: #91 iceweasel

Thanks for the post. I always want to know when religion gets caught up in a pogrom, for lack of a better term. Jesus wept.

98 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:30:30pm

re: #95 Ojoe

Interesting, never seen that. The daughters and I do cyanoypes every summer using found objects. The magic never quite goes away!

99 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:30:35pm

The giant Camera Obscura in San Francisco (walk in size)

BBL

100 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:31:00pm

Bagua's Music Break™


Truck Driver

MP3 Audio
101 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:31:08pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

oops-- not that interview, but this one, mentions Uganda and the Family. I guess Sharlet has been on NPR more than once now--

The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family'


Mr. SHARLET: Well, the new legislation adds to this something called aggravated homosexuality. And this can include, for instance, if a gay man has sex with another man who is disabled, that's aggravated homosexuality, and that man can be - I suppose both, actually, could be put to death for this. The use of any drugs or any intoxicants in seeking gay sex - in other words, you go to a bar and you buy a guy a drink, you're subject to the death penalty if you go home and sleep together after that. What it also does is it extends this outward, so that if you know a gay person and you don't report it, that could mean - you don't report your son or daughter, you can go to prison.

And it goes further, to say that any kind of promotion of these ideas of homosexuality, including by foreigners, can result in prison terms. Talking about same sex-marriage positively can lead you to imprisonment for life. And it's really kind of a perfect case study in the export of a lot of American, largely evangelical ideas about homosexuality exported to Uganda, which then takes them to their logical end.

102 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:31:52pm

re: #99 Ojoe

That is fucking cool.

103 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:32:25pm

Time for dinner. Adios, Lizardi!

104 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:32:33pm

re: #94 Ojoe

That is very true. Nothing makes me grow as a photographer like the work of my betters. Demanding clients come next. This concept, man over machine is true in many ways. Art, combat, etc.

105 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:33:37pm

Image of the sea from a camera obscura.

Ahem, BBL

106 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:34:47pm

re: #101 iceweasel

That was the one I heard.

107 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:35:15pm

re: #104 Rightwingconspirator

Try posting a photo a day on facebook. It is quite a goad.


BBL !!!

108 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:35:29pm

re: #100 Bagua

Bagua's Music Break™

Truck Driver


Lol! Not bad. :D

109 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:35:38pm

How not to go shopping this holiday season.

Mom decides to go shopping, but leaves toddler in car for at least 30 minutes. Passerby sees toddler, calls 911. Mom is arrested on charges of child endangerment.

110 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:35:43pm

re: #102 Jeff In Ohio

Notice the extreme depth of field

111 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:36:38pm

re: #109 lawhawk

How not to go shopping this holiday season.

Mom decides to go shopping, but leaves toddler in car for at least 30 minutes. Passerby sees toddler, calls 911. Mom is arrested on charges of child endangerment.

As she should be!

112 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:37:03pm

re: #107 Ojoe

I'll try that but on my blog. No face book for me. And yeah, see you later!

113 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:37:12pm

my camera...eat yer heart out

Image: 293818883_4e74042d37.jpg

114 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:37:55pm

re: #109 lawhawk

I hope the child does not go into the foster system.

115 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:38:02pm

re: #113 albusteve

My camera still has a little bird that carves pictures on little stone tablets.

116 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:38:20pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

My camera still has a little bird that carves pictures on little stone tablets.

WILMA!

117 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:39:33pm

The urge to shop has been beaten out of me by people nattering at me from all sides, riddling me with guilt for buying stuff that does nothing but contribute to the heat-death of the planet.

For Festivus this year I am planning to give everyone I know handwritten carbon-offset certificates (on organic hempen paper) against their intestinal gas production for 2010. They don't actually offset anything, but everyone will feel good whenever they cut a fart.

118 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:39:53pm

re: #113 albusteve

my camera...eat yer heart out

[Link: farm1.static.flickr.com...]

I had you figured for the accordion style camera on three legs with the hood and the flash you hold above your head. Yeah, that's the one.

119 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:39:59pm

re: #109 lawhawk

Mom decides to go shopping, but leaves toddler in car for at least 30 minutes. Passerby sees toddler, calls 911. Mom is arrested on charges of child endangerment.

More signs of the impending apocalypse.

120 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:41:03pm

re: #118 Bloodnok

I had you figured for the accordion style camera on three legs with the hood and the flash you hold above your head. Yeah, that's the one.

I'm gonna be 28 next June...wtf?

121 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:41:31pm

re: #110 Rightwingconspirator

It's almost surreal. The distance is compressed like a long lens, but the DOF is like a wide angle stopped down all the way and infinity set at the outer limit.

122 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:41:42pm

re: #119 Bagua

Come now- children have been neglected, abandoned and abused since the beginning.

123 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:42:24pm

Charles need to code up an online lie detector...I don't believe Cato for a second...ever

124 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:43:10pm

re: #117 Cato the Elder

For Festivus this year I am planning to give everyone I know handwritten carbon-offset certificates (on organic hempen paper) against their intestinal gas production for 2010. They don't actually offset anything, but everyone will feel good whenever they cut a fart.

Perhaps these certificates could be delivered by Blitzen.

125 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:43:53pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

Come now- children have been neglected, abandoned and abused since the beginning.

I mean the police arresting the mother, taking her away in handcuffs, this is an insane manifestation of Nanny State behaviour.

126 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:44:05pm

If I owned a great big mega-store, I'd consider A supervised play area for the kiddies.

127 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:44:08pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

Come now- children have been neglected, abandoned and abused since the beginning.

it's as old as the species will will last until we are done for...stupidity will never be bred out of us

128 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:44:10pm

re: #124 solomonpanting

Perhaps these certificates could be delivered by Blitzen.

I believe you mean his stand-in, Furtzen.

129 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:44:23pm

re: #125 Bagua

I assure you- child neglect is a serious crime.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:44:43pm

re: #119 Bagua

Mother-In-Law had a co-worker who forgot and left her baby granddaughter in a car. The baby died of exposure.

Her pain must be eternal.

131 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:45:15pm

re: #125 Bagua

I mean the police arresting the mother, taking her away in handcuffs, this is an insane manifestation of Nanny State behaviour.

Horsefeathers. That is neglect. What if someone had taken that child, raped her and killed her?

132 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:45:23pm

re: #126 Boogberg

If I owned a great big mega-store, I'd consider A supervised play area for the kiddies.

at least a Tot Patrol Security Unit...

133 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:45:27pm

re: #127 albusteve

it's as old as the species will will last until we are done for...stupidity will never be bred out of us

Nor will credulity.

134 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:46:17pm

re: #131 MandyManners

Horsefeathers. That is neglect. What if someone had taken that child, raped her and killed her?

And who took care of the child while mommy was in custody?

Give her a ticket.

135 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:46:37pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Nor will credulity.

I am a anti credulist...it has to start somewhere

136 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:46:48pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

And who took care of the child while mommy was in custody?

Give her a ticket.

The child was turned over to the father. Ticket, my ass.

137 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:47:20pm

I see. So a ticket to a hearing or a visit from a social worker is not sufficient? A mother should be hauled off in handcuffs and thrown in a dirty cell? Goodness.

138 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:47:21pm

re: #113 albusteve

That was my first camera as well. It was a hand me down. Next camera was a Vivitar with a 110 film cartridge.

139 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:48:15pm

re: #137 Bagua

I see. So a ticket to a hearing or a visit from a social worker is not sufficient? A mother should be hauled off in handcuffs and thrown in a dirty cell? Goodness.

Again, this is a serious crime. That child could have wound up the victim of a pedophile.

140 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:48:50pm

re: #137 Bagua

I see. So a ticket to a hearing or a visit from a social worker is not sufficient? A mother should be hauled off in handcuffs and thrown in a dirty cell? Goodness.

"Punishment. It's what we do."

[unofficial motto of USA]

141 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:49:06pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

So your thinking they took the mom away, and left the kid in the car till mom made bail? I'm sorry but leaving a toddler unattended for 30 mins begs the question of the mom needing some serious mom skills. Hauling away in handcuffs, maybe not. Serious visit by CPS, I think so.

142 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:49:22pm

Good grief.

143 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:49:47pm

re: #121 Jeff In Ohio

It is surreal. I can not use small apertures in my work as distortion caused by the blades blurs the image. But a pinhole can have the better edge. In my 40D F8 is the sweet spot for macro. I get a mere .42 inches depth of crisp, that's it. Telephoto compresses the image. No foreground.

144 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:49:51pm

re: #142 MandyManners

Good grief.

Seconded

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:49:57pm

re: #142 MandyManners

That you, Charlie Brown?

146 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:50:04pm

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mother-In-Law had a co-worker who forgot and left her baby granddaughter in a car. The baby died of exposure.

Her pain must be eternal.

Do you know how many children die every year in playground accidents? Shall we arrest mothers for not supervising their childrens play properly?

147 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:50:05pm

re: #139 MandyManners

Again, this is a serious crime. That child could have wound up the victim of a pedophile.

Or dead.

148 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:50:07pm

re: #141 Jeff In Ohio

Downding for misusing the term "beg the question".

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:50:21pm

re: #144 Boogberg

Thirdeded

150 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:50:21pm

re: #138 lawhawk

That was my first camera as well. It was a hand me down. Next camera was a Vivitar with a 110 film cartridge.

I still have it stored at my moms place...I saw it a couple of years ago...not the 'Holiday' model tho...and I have an 25yr old Poloraid I used to take to Jamaica to photograph the locals with, and maybe five film packs for it

151 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:51:18pm

re: #150 albusteve

Sucks that polaroid film is gone. I hear Fuji has some they are making for it.

152 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:52:03pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That you, Charlie Brown?

Wanna' see my Snoopy?

153 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:52:03pm

re: #146 Bagua

Do you know how many children die every year in playground accidents? Shall we arrest mothers for not supervising their childrens play properly?

that's not the point bro...leaving a kid in a car is no accident...I don't think hauling her off in cuffs is a good idea tho...there re alternatives

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:52:31pm

re: #152 MandyManners

In bed.

155 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:52:48pm

re: #147 Sharmuta

Or dead.

What's next? Self-defense classes for the kids of abusive parents?

156 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:53:44pm

US airstrike kills 26 Taliban. Afghan forces came under attack and called in for assistance.

157 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:54:07pm

re: #143 Rightwingconspirator

Is the blurr a function of digital lens'?, I shoot a lot of rangefinder work (well, by work, I mean for fun) and never really had an issue with small apertures and I almost always zone focus, so the smaller hole, the better.

158 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:54:13pm

re: #146 Bagua

Do you know how many children die every year in playground accidents? Shall we arrest mothers for not supervising their childrens play properly?

That's the point: they're accidents. Leaving a toddler in a car alone is an act of volition.

159 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:54:35pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

Sucks that polaroid film is gone. I hear Fuji has some they are making for it.

yes, I have been rationing mine for years...but I've been less likely to take it with me over the years...all my little kid buddies have kids of their own now and digital cameras...time flys

160 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:54:40pm

re: #156 lawhawk

US airstrike kills 26 Taliban. Afghan forces came under attack and called in for assistance.

Good news.

161 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:55:33pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Deserved that one!

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:55:59pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Oh, how those Holiday heartwarming stories make me smile.

163 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:56:54pm

About 5,000 children under 14 die every year due to accidents, many of them preventable. On the contrary, the kidnapping of toddlers by strangers is extremely rare.

If there is no danger of flight by the mother there is no excuse for an arrest as opposed to a citation or a report to child protection services.

If we are going to start arresting mothers for parenting errors, we will need to hire more police for the tens of thousands "guilty" mothers.

164 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:56:54pm

time flys?...good one eh?

165 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:57:10pm

Cars could be outfitted with alarm systems to prevent this kind of tragedy.

166 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:57:28pm

re: #157 Jeff In Ohio

I can not explain this too well, but yes. The blades that iris down reflect light from their edges. I experimented with this like this...

167 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:57:32pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

Amazon doesn't have what I want for Christmas- an LGF calendar!

Speaking of the LGF calendar, stalkers are posting hateful comments at that Lulu page, as usual, and downrating the calendar.

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

It's not enough for these people to bash me on their blogs -- they have to go to every site I link, and every place they can find, to smear me. They've also done it at the LGF Kindle page.

168 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:57:38pm

re: #163 Bagua

About 5,000 children under 14 die every year due to accidents, many of them preventable. On the contrary, the kidnapping of toddlers by strangers is extremely rare.

If there is no danger of flight by the mother there is no excuse for an arrest as opposed to a citation or a report to child protection services.

If we are going to start arresting mothers for parenting errors, we will need to hire more police for the tens of thousands "guilty" mothers.

it's not an error...

169 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 4:58:49pm

re: #163 Bagua

Again- you're talking about accidents as compared to the willing decision to leave a child alone.

170 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:00:27pm

re: #158 MandyManners

That's the point: they're accidents. Leaving a toddler in a car alone is an act of volition.

No, many are preventable, most in fact if one eliminates the circumstances.

One example is the number of infant suffocation that were previously attributed to SIDS.

Shall we arrest mothers for letting their babies sleep on too cushy a pillow?

171 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:01:01pm

re: #169 Sharmuta

Again- you're talking about accidents as compared to the willing decision to leave a child alone.


I have no children of my own but how could a parent, especialy a mother, hurt their child? It makes no sense.

172 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:01:21pm

re: #167 Charles

Speaking of the LGF calendar, stalkers are posting hateful comments at that Lulu page, as usual, and downrating the calendar.

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

It's not enough for these people to bash me on their blogs -- they have to go to every site I link, and every place they can find, to smear me. They've also done it at the LGF Kindle page.

Such a lovely sentiment for them to cling to at this time of year, too. Nothing says "Merry Christmas" like deranged stalker rantings.

173 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:01:31pm

re: #159 albusteve

Well every film has a distinct look, including Polaroid. Really a wonderful technology. Instant pictures long before digital. The best gem photographer I know of used it to set up his slide film SLR! Ironic.

174 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:01:37pm

It's a crime to leave a helpless child unattended..That's why you get the handcuffs and jail time.. It's that freaking simple.. I read these stories all to often...Sad

175 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:02:06pm

re: #167 Charles

Speaking of the LGF calendar, stalkers are posting hateful comments at that Lulu page, as usual, and downrating the calendar.

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

It's not enough for these people to bash me on their blogs -- they have to go to every site I link, and every place they can find, to smear me. They've also done it at the LGF Kindle page.

I almost wish you hadn't said that...I have little confidence in people as it is, that's just sad and I'm sorry for you...a real buzzkill to be stalked into your personal realm

176 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:03:26pm

re: #175 albusteve

The obvious retort is buy some for gifts.

177 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:03:33pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

It's a crime to leave a helpless child unattended..That's why you get the handcuffs and jail time.. It's that freaking simple.. I read these stories all to often...Sad

Happens with swimming pools a lot, too. How awful.

178 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:03:38pm

re: #175 albusteve

I almost wish you hadn't said that...I have little confidence in people as it is, that's just sad and I'm sorry for you...a real buzzkill to be stalked into your personal realm

That is because some people just do not have a life and NEVER WILL!

179 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:04:15pm

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Unfortunately I broke my reading glasses and can't see to well till my new ones are done. Obviously all optics have a critical focus point and depth field really does nothing more then reduce the circle of confusion (always loved that term) to the point that they appear to be as sharp as the critical focal point. But what your describing is actual light dispersion caused by the lens design, right?

180 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:04:38pm

re: #169 Sharmuta

Again- you're talking about accidents as compared to the willing decision to leave a child alone.

The willing decision to bring children on rides in automobiles is a far greater cause of death and suffering for children than the number of kidnapped infants from locked cars.

At any rate, I am happy for her to get a citation from the officer and a visit from social servers, but the arrest in handcuffs is ridiculous. It is a form of punishment as either way she has to see the judge.

181 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:04:58pm

re: #171 Cathypop

I have no children of my own but how could a parent, especialy a mother, hurt their child? It makes no sense.

Often times, there is a deep psychological issue going on when a parent harms their own child.

182 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:05:19pm

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

Well every film has a distinct look, including Polaroid. Really a wonderful technology. Instant pictures long before digital. The best gem photographer I know of used it to set up his slide film SLR! Ironic.

back in the early seventies, going up into the hills of Jamaica was like time travel...experiences I will never forget...long before TV down there and a Poloroid just blew kids away, then I break out a few Frisbees!...wow!...those were some good times for me back then

183 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:06:14pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

It's a crime to leave a helpless child unattended..That's why you get the handcuffs and jail time.. It's that freaking simple.. I read these stories all to often...Sad

to this day, I cannot be left unsupervised

184 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:06:58pm

I cannot believe someone is defending neglect.

185 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:07:15pm

re: #181 Sharmuta

Often times, there is a deep psychological issue going on when a parent harms their own child.

But a mother is attached to her child for 9 months. They are one. I just don't get it. I think a mother who would harm her child is only thinking of herself and not the child.

186 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:07:38pm

re: #181 Sharmuta

Often times, there is a deep psychological issue going on when a parent harms their own child.

Did you mean unintentionally?

187 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:07:45pm

Psst.

Speaking of Christmas Winter Festival Festivus Belated Solstice:

Don't tell the ACLU, but today the little town I live in had a [shudder] Christmas tree lighting ceremony accompanied by public singing of actual [gasp!] Christmas carols. They mentioned Jesus several times, and Israel at least once.

All this took place on public property. And there was a uniformed, on-duty police officer right there on the scene, and he did nothing to stop this exclusionary, hurtful display of Christian supremacism. In fact, he seemed to be there to make sure traffic was safely rerouted for the benefit of the thoughtless revelers.

They even let children attend this thing.

188 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:08:08pm

re: #184 MandyManners

I cannot believe someone is defending neglect.

I can't either...

189 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:08:12pm

re: #180 Bagua

If you don't like the law, work to change it, but it is the law and it should be enforced. Personally, I think it's good that our society views child endangerment to such a degree as to warrant serious action on the part of law enforcement. It sends a signal to the rest of society that this behavior will not be tolerated.

190 Bloodnok  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:08:45pm

re: #180 Bagua

The willing decision to bring children on rides in automobiles is a far greater cause of death and suffering for children than the number of kidnapped infants from locked cars.

At any rate, I am happy for her to get a citation from the officer and a visit from social servers, but the arrest in handcuffs is ridiculous. It is a form of punishment as either way she has to see the judge.

I'm sorry. A ticket is not enough for this bastard.

Man put kids in trunk , went shopping.

191 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:08:53pm

re: #187 Cato the Elder

Psst.

Speaking of Christmas Winter Festival Festivus Belated Solstice:

Don't tell the ACLU, but today the little town I live in had a [shudder] Christmas tree lighting ceremony accompanied by public singing of actual [gasp!] Christmas carols. They mentioned Jesus several times, and Israel at least once.

All this took place on public property. And there was a uniformed, on-duty police officer right there on the scene, and he did nothing to stop this exclusionary, hurtful display of Christian supremacism. In fact, he seemed to be there to make sure traffic was safely rerouted for the benefit of the thoughtless revelers.

They even let children attend this thing.

We got one going on December 5th and Santa is coming. WOOHOO!

192 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:09:26pm

re: #186 Boogberg

Did you mean unintentionally?

I'm talking about intentional abuse.

193 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:09:38pm

re: #184 MandyManners

I cannot believe someone is defending neglect.

Defending neglect? Hardly, I said she could receive a citation to face a criminal complaint.

I object to her being arrested, either way she sees the judge.

This is Stranger Danger hysteria.

194 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:09:40pm

re: #187 Cato the Elder

And there was a uniformed, on-duty police officer right there on the scene, and he did nothing to stop this exclusionary, hurtful display of Christian supremacism. In fact, he seemed to be there to make sure traffic was safely rerouted for the benefit of the thoughtless revelers.

They even let children attend this thing.

THe policeman was obviously there to protect the natives from cheese wielding minarets.

I hope I used cheese wielding in the right format.

195 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:10:17pm

re: #179 Jeff In Ohio

Yes exactly. Every optic has its "sweet" spot. That's one reason experience matters. I have the CoC math if you want it as an excel sheet. For my tests I opened up until I got the ultra sharp look jewelry demands. F8 was it on my setup. F22 really blurred the image. Medium format has an even shallower depth, but shifting the front element around lets you cheat kinda.

196 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:11:24pm

If any LGF readers would like to go to the Lulu page and counteract those obnoxious, spiteful reviews and downratings with positive reviews, I'd appreciate it.

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

197 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:12:02pm

re: #196 Charles

If any LGF readers would like to go to the Lulu page and counteract those obnoxious, spiteful reviews and downratings with positive reviews, I'd appreciate it.

What Lulu page?

198 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:12:35pm

Goodnight Lizards. I will be buying a LGF Calendar tomorrow morning. And I hope it pisses off a but-load of idiots!

199 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:12:49pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

I'm talking about intentional abuse.

Yeah, that makes sense.

200 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:13:00pm

re: #197 MandyManners

What Lulu page?

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

201 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:13:30pm

Combat 18 claims responsibility for terrorist attack

Combat 18 Russia is claiming responsibility for the recent terrorist attack on a passenger train.

Many analysts are unconvinced. If it turns out the C18 claim is false, this is nonetheless a worrying development insofar as C18 Russia is clearly seeking to position itself as an active terrorist organisation.

continued:

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

202 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:13:41pm

re: #195 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks, but I spent a long time working the technical side of printing, photography and photofinishing and just prefer to work on instinct and feel anymore. But more power to you for caring about that kind of stuff. Not to may people do theses days.

203 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:13:42pm

re: #190 Bloodnok

I'm sorry. A ticket is not enough for this bastard.

Man put kids in trunk , went shopping.

Agreed. Locking them in the trunk is different.

But leading a mother away in handcuffs for an alleged judgement error is bizarre.

204 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:13:48pm

re: #198 Cathypop

Goodnight Lizards. I will be buying a LGF Calendar tomorrow morning. And I hope it pisses off a but-load of idiots!

Thanks, Cathy. Post a good review while you're at it, if you really want to piss them off.

205 McSpiff  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:14:40pm

re: #204 Charles

There are no reviews for this item

Think Lulu might have removed them or?

206 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:14:49pm

re: #200 Charles

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

Good grief. Looks like something Savage and his crew would do.

207 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:15:18pm

re: #194 Jeff In Ohio

THe policeman was obviously there to protect the natives from cheese wielding minarets.

I hope I used cheese wielding in the right format.

You left out the hyphen. Since you asked.

208 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:15:34pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Good grief. Looks like something Savage and his crew would do.

It probably is.

209 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:16:21pm

re: #201 Jimmah

Combat 18 claims responsibility for terrorist attack

continued:

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Harry's place?

Dropped in there just the other day. :D

210 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:16:21pm

re: #208 Charles

It probably is.

Pea green with envy.

211 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:16:56pm

re: #196 Charles

Done.
Signed up and rated it. 5 reviews now...

212 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:17:20pm

re: #204 Charles

I posted this a week or so ago, and in case you didn't see it, your photography (for me) is somewhat reminiscent of Syl Labrot. Large, colorful spaces mostly devoid of people. He is a big hero of mine, mostly for his process, but his book Pleasure Beach is a real treasure if you can find a copy.

213 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:18:17pm

re: #202 Jeff In Ohio

Thanks.

214 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:18:39pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Pea green with envy.

Of course they are. They don't want anything Charles does to be successful.

Piss off a stalker- buy a calendar!

215 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:18:55pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Good grief. Looks like something Savage and his crew would do.

No. There are words of more than two syllables in those reviews, and no vodka-induced typos or signs of obvious mental illness.

This was done by a ghostwriter, or perhaps Stacy himself.

216 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:19:45pm

re: #209 Boogberg

Harry's place?

Dropped in there just the other day. :D

Good! My second favourite blog.

217 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:20:07pm

re: #212 Jeff In Ohio

I posted this a week or so ago, and in case you didn't see it, your photography (for me) is somewhat reminiscent of Syl Labrot. Large, colorful spaces mostly devoid of people. He is a big hero of mine, mostly for his process, but his book Pleasure Beach is a real treasure if you can find a copy.

Thanks! I'll definitely check out Syl Labrot.

218 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:21:23pm

re: #215 Cato the Elder

No. There are words of more than two syllables in those reviews, and no vodka-induced typos or signs of obvious mental illness.

This was done by a ghostwriter, or perhaps Stacy himself.

Or it could be Gerard "I am aware of all Internet traditions" Vanderleun himself. He's turned into quite a stalker.

219 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:22:18pm

re: #218 Charles

Or it could be Gerard "I am aware of all Internet traditions" Vanderleun himself. He's turned into quite a stalker.

He's already attacked your photography before.

220 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:24:00pm

re: #216 Jimmah

Good! My second favourite blog.

I know there's a little animosity between Charles and the Harry's Place gang, but there shouldn't be. The views are surprisingly similar when it comes to certain subjects.

221 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:25:12pm

re: #220 Boogberg

I know there's a little animosity between Charles and the Harry's Place gang, but there shouldn't be. The views are surprisingly similar when it comes to certain subjects.

No, there isn't actually. I've linked to Harry's Place several times recently.

222 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:25:13pm

re: #200 Charles

Gave it 5 stars and reported the stupid, hateful comments.

223 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:25:45pm

re: #222 Alouette

Gave it 5 stars and reported the stupid, hateful comments.

Thank you!

224 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:26:26pm

re: #214 Sharmuta

Of course they are. They don't want anything Charles does to be successful.

Piss off a stalker- buy a calendar!

Every day they piss and moan about Charles...I've never seen anything like it on the entire Internet. You'd think after a couple of years they would get over being booted from here...It's like a mental illness...No wonder they aren't welcome here no more...Unstable..Bitter...Lacking any class...And they think they are good little conservatives..right.. *spit*

225 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:28:16pm

I'm off to make a steak dinner for the wife and I go gotta go. I'll be making some calendars part of my Christmas, and spiting the stalkers just adds to the fun. Jeff In Ohio-lets chat again about getting the shot sometime!

226 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:28:20pm

re: #224 HoosierHoops

It's like a mental illness...

Actually, it isn't "like" a mental illness. It IS full blown mental illness.

227 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:28:29pm

re: #221 Charles

No, there isn't actually. I've linked to Harry's Place several times recently.

That's great news. There's a lot of sensible people over there.

228 Bagua  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #196 Charles

If any LGF readers would like to go to the Lulu page and counteract those obnoxious, spiteful reviews and downratings with positive reviews, I'd appreciate it.

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

Done.

229 ryannon  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:31:00pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Downding for misusing the term "beg the question".

Another language misuse tragedy.

Noone is safe from Cato.

230 Gus  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:33:27pm

re: #229 ryannon

Another language misuse tragedy.

Noone No one is safe from Cato.

Careful!

;)

231 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:36:03pm

re: #214 Sharmuta

Of course they are. They don't want anything Charles does to be successful.

Piss off a stalker- buy a calendar!

Report the negative reviews as inappropriate, they are just nasty attacks on Charles by people who don't agree with what he says here, nothing to do with his photography.

232 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:38:23pm

re: #229 ryannon

Another language misuse tragedy.

Noone is safe from Cato.

Are you saying that Peter Noone, lead singer of Herman's Hermits, is safe from Cato?

233 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:39:13pm

re: #225 Rightwingconspirator

I'm off to make a steak dinner for the wife and I go gotta go. I'll be making some calendars part of my Christmas, and spiting the stalkers just adds to the fun. Jeff In Ohio-lets chat again about getting the shot sometime!

Absolutely!

234 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:39:47pm

I did my calendar shopping in September.

235 J.S.  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:40:35pm

If the Canon camera body is too expensive, I'd start out by buying lenses...get a good selection of lenses, then upgrade your camera body -- like those Canon USM lens...(although some lenses cost about as much as the camera body...but, hey, may be worth it...)

236 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:41:26pm

re: #234 Alouette

There is always room for one more calendar... Besides- this is a first edition, and therefore a collectable. Everyone should buy two.

237 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:41:41pm

re: #229 ryannon

Another language misuse tragedy.

Noone is safe from Cato.

re: #230 Gus 802

Careful!

;)

In what way did language misuse tragedy?

238 ryannon  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:42:15pm

I'll just see what good I can do for Charles on [Link: www.lulu.com...]

and wonder why noone 'got it'.

239 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:42:54pm

re: #232 Charles

Are you saying that Peter Noone, lead singer of Herman's Hermits, is safe from Cato?

Henry VIII. There's a song that gets stuck in you head too. Ack!

240 Gus  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:43:41pm

re: #237 Jeff In Ohio

In what way did language misuse tragedy?

Oh I'm not touching that one. Cato covered the use of the word tragedy and is covered in Cato's FAQs™.

//

241 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:44:05pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

There is always room for one more calendar... Besides- this is a first edition, and therefore a collectable. Everyone should buy two.

Yes, but does it include every Lizard's birthday?

242 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:44:47pm

re: #239 Boogberg

Henry VIII. There's a song that gets stuck in you head too. Ack!

I hate you.

243 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:45:47pm

re: #239 Boogberg

I got that vinyl. It was my sisters...REALLY!!! It's filed with The Monkees and Up With People in the Ironically Wonderful section.

244 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:45:57pm

re: #241 Alouette

Yes, but does it include every Lizard's birthday?

Yes, they're just not labeled, but all 365 days are there.

245 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:46:10pm

re: #242 Alouette

I hate you.

You See!!? It's an entity! lol

246 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:47:07pm

re: #214 Sharmuta

Of course they are. They don't want anything Charles does to be successful.

Piss off a stalker- buy a calendar!

I start my on-line Xmas shopping the 1st.. I bookmarked the page. I'm buying a few..It's like what I did with buying the lgf cookbooks...It's a perfect gift for those friends that you have to give something to, But you're not going to spend a lot of money on or spend much time shopping for...You know..like the crazy aunt that can't remember your name that you send a Cat Calender and a scented candle to every year...
/I'll probably get the phone call during the New Years eve party.. No Cat Calender Hoopster?
That's how I roll

247 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:48:17pm

I just went and checked in on the stalkers. Still talking about LGF on every thread. Some of them have been banned for years and it's all they can talk about. Even Gordon eventually got over it after about 2 years and then moved on with his life.

248 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:49:53pm

re: #246 HoosierHoops

You know..like the crazy aunt that can't remember your name that you send a Cat Calender and a scented candle to every year...
/I'll probably get the phone call during the New Years eve party.. No Cat Calender Hoopster?

And you can say, "Cats?! How can you want cats after the beauty of February, or the flowers of June?" ;)

249 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:54:32pm

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

By the time that model gets in my price range, I'll be probably lusting after another model that does so much more. It's chasing the tail of a never ending dragon.

250 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:56:05pm

Fantastic deals on Swiss Army Knives.

Just got one for myself.

251 ryannon  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:57:02pm

re: #250 Charles

Fantastic deals on Swiss Army Knives.

Just got one for myself.

I had a Swiss girlfriend once.

Best I ever had.

252 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 5:57:44pm

re: #248 Sharmuta

And you can say, "Cats?! How can you want cats after the beauty of February, or the flowers of June?" ;)

LOL
I've been so tempted to send my crazy auntie a Cat Calendar and autograph all the pictures..Tabbie, Friskie..Fluffy..etc.. Just to mess her up..But no..I laugh inside..But I've been this close...*wink*

253 avanti  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:00:49pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

The thing I find fascinating is they are always 180 degrees off on most lizards opinions. They are cheering the Swiss for banning minarets, buying the the whole e-mail AGW fraud deal, it's a perfect example of the extreme rights mindset.

254 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:00:54pm

re: #251 ryannon

I had a Swiss girlfriend once.

Best I ever had.

did she come with a plastic tooth pick?...I thought not

255 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:02:51pm

re: #253 avanti

The thing I find fascinating is they are always 180 degrees off on most lizards opinions. They are cheering the Swiss for banning minarets, buying the the whole e-mail AGW fraud deal, it's a perfect example of the extreme rights mindset.

I don't see the minaret vote as extreme...must be about as centrist as it gets

256 ryannon  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:04:22pm

re: #254 albusteve

did she come with a plastic tooth pick?...I thought not

No, but lots of other fascinating things. I never tired of exploring them.

257 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:04:32pm

Lots of great deals this year. Wish I had some extra money, dammit. I hear even Macbook Pros are $300 off.

258 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:05:22pm

re: #253 avanti

The thing I find fascinating is they are always 180 degrees off on most lizards opinions. They are cheering the Swiss for banning minarets, buying the the whole e-mail AGW fraud deal, it's a perfect example of the extreme rights mindset.

Some of the good old boys over there have advocated nuking Muslim nations..And wonder why they are not welcome here...hmmm..Wonder why?
Dipshits..

259 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:05:26pm

re: #253 avanti

They also love Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. They seem to be somewhat divided on Pat Buchanan. All the stalkers and flouncers seem to revert right back to supporting Pamella Geller and Michelle Malkin. Oh, well.

260 Racer X  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:05:27pm

Wrecking Ball Smashes Into Passing Car

Ouch!

261 Racer X  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:07:09pm

Ancient Layered Hills on Mars

262 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:07:42pm

re: #255 albusteve

The actual Swiss government was opposed to this. The far right parties in Switzerland were pushing this. And the European version of free speech and free exercise of religion isn't quite the US model.

Right now, there are all of four minarets in all of Switzerland. There was also an existing ban on using the minarets for calls to prayer. None of this would fly in the US, but Swiss law allowed those restrictions.

263 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:07:47pm

re: #260 Racer X

Wrecking Ball Smashes Into Passing Car

Ouch!

hope they has airbags...even so that looked bad

264 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:07:48pm

Hmmm...this is curious...
Defending Obama…Again

I’m a big fan of criticizing Obama’s profligacy, but it is inaccurate and/or dishonest to blame him for Bush’s mistakes. At the risk of repeating my earlier post, the 2009 fiscal year began on October 1, 2008, and the vast majority of the spending for that year was the result of Bush Administration policies. Yes, Obama did add to the waste with the so-called stimulus, the omnibus appropriation, the CHIP bill, and the cash-for-clunkers nonsense, but as the chart illustrates, these boondoggles only amounted to just a tiny percentage of the FY2009 total – about $140 billion out of a $3.5 trillion budget.

Of course I don't trust anything from the Cato institute but I find their choice of target interesting.

265 brookly red  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:09:10pm

re: #257 Boogberg

Lots of great deals this year. Wish I had some extra money, dammit. I hear even Macbook Pros are $300 off.

I sure hope sales are good this year for the sake of the economy, but I can't help but notice the media is falling over itself to avoid saying the words "high rate of unemployment" when reporting on lack luster sales.
But what else is new.

266 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:09:21pm

re: #42 Charles

That "review" was LOL funny...OMFG!!!

267 avanti  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:09:23pm

re: #255 albusteve

I don't see the minaret vote as extreme...must be about as centrist as it gets

I think it's a foot in the door for the extreme right to oppress a religious minority and not much different from what the Nazi's started with in the 30's. Blame a entire religion for your countries problems. Would conservatives sit still if crosses were banned on churches ?

268 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:11:11pm

re: #262 lawhawk

The actual Swiss government was opposed to this. The far right parties in Switzerland were pushing this. And the European version of free speech and free exercise of religion isn't quite the US model.

Right now, there are all of four minarets in all of Switzerland. There was also an existing ban on using the minarets for calls to prayer. None of this would fly in the US, but Swiss law allowed those restrictions.

I know and I don't agree with the vote per se... but it was, nevertheless, a referendum and the people have spoken...it is an ill wind un less applied across the board...it will likely crash in court, or should...but it is what it is and people are pissed

269 Racer X  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:12:14pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...this is curious...
Defending Obama…Again

Of course I don't trust anything from the Cato institute but I find their choice of target interesting.

Heh, a parting gift perhaps?

270 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:12:44pm

re: #267 avanti

I think it's a foot in the door for the extreme right to oppress a religious minority and not much different from what the Nazi's started with in the 30's. Blame a entire religion for your countries problems. Would conservatives sit still if crosses were banned on churches ?

that's not the issue there...minarets are

271 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:12:53pm

re: #267 avanti

I think it's a foot in the door for the extreme right to oppress a religious minority and not much different from what the Nazi's started with in the 30's. Blame a entire religion for your countries problems. Would conservatives sit still if crosses were banned on churches ?

Banning church spires would be about as centrist as it gets, surely.///

272 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:12:56pm

re: #101 iceweasel

oops-- not that interview, but this one, mentions Uganda and the Family. I guess Sharlet has been on NPR more than once now--

The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family'

WTF was that dude smoking? Is that what "The Family" really wants to do, recriminalize homosexuality as a capital crime?

/WTF is in the water the kooks drink...

273 albusteve  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:14:07pm

re: #271 Jimmah

Banning church spires would be about as centrist as it gets, surely.///

if that's what the majority wants then that's what it is...centrist

274 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:15:13pm

re: #272 talon_262

Ahh, I see that it's in Uganda that they're "trial ballooning" this...what a bunch of medieval choads.

275 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:15:26pm

re: #272 talon_262

WTF was that dude smoking? Is that what "The Family" really wants to do, recriminalize homosexuality as a capital crime?

Yes, it really is what they want to do.

276 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:17:17pm

re: #167 Charles

Speaking of the LGF calendar, stalkers are posting hateful comments at that Lulu page, as usual, and downrating the calendar.

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

It's not enough for these people to bash me on their blogs -- they have to go to every site I link, and every place they can find, to smear me. They've also done it at the LGF Kindle page.

F** those bastards...if I ever met any of that sorry bunch IRL, it'd be all I could do to keep from throttling them.

277 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:17:20pm

re: #224 HoosierHoops

Every day they piss and moan about Charles...I've never seen anything like it on the entire Internet. You'd think after a couple of years they would get over being booted from here...It's like a mental illness...No wonder they aren't welcome here no more...Unstable..Bitter...Lacking any class...And they think they are good little conservatives..right.. *spit*

I've often thought how easy it would be to punk that lot into contributing their sad, whiny stories to a book called "Destroyed Lives: How I was Banned from LGF"

278 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:18:10pm

re: #275 Charles

I saw that story earlier and I wouldn't stick my neck out for it. One guy making the claim and it doesn't appear that he has much in the way of verifiable proof. Do you think there's anything to that story?

279 Boogberg  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:19:06pm

re: #265 brookly red

I sure hope sales are good this year for the sake of the economy, but I can't help but notice the media is falling over itself to avoid saying the words "high rate of unemployment" when reporting on lack luster sales.
But what else is new.

Well I was one of the lucky ones who got to keep his job, and we still got our hours cut to 32. It's hard, you know? The temptation is to go for the credit cards but that can quickly turn into disaster.

280 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:19:45pm

re: #275 Charles

Yes, it really is what they want to do.

Talking about going against the spirit, if not the letter, of the Bible (the NT, anyway)...I'l bet more than a few of these "Family" types aren't without "unclean hands".

/shades of Larry Craig

281 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:20:32pm

re: #273 albusteve

if that's what the majority wants then that's what it is...centrist

So if the majority wants to say, destroy the Jews, that would be a centrist policy? Whether or not a policy is moderate or extreme is not determined by how many people hold it. Gaah.

282 avanti  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:23:38pm

re: #273 albusteve

if that's what the majority wants then that's what it is...centrist

The majority would vote for many unconstitutional issues if given the choice.

283 J.S.  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:25:45pm

re: #280 talon_262

According to a wiki entry, a member of the "family" was Jimmy Carter. (Methodist). As in "it figures."

284 avanti  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:26:12pm

re: #270 albusteve

that's not the issue there...minarets are

So symbols of certain, approved faiths are OK in your centralist world, but not others ?

285 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:26:23pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

They also love Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. They seem to be somewhat divided on Pat Buchanan. All the stalkers and flouncers seem to revert right back to supporting Pamella Geller and Michelle Malkin. Oh, well.

And they all think librhuls ("transnational totalitarian progressives", as they put it) are teh evul.

286 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:27:58pm

re: #277 Jimmah

I've often thought how easy it would be to punk that lot into contributing their sad, whiny stories to a book called "Destroyed Lives: How I was Banned from LGF"

Last summer I put together a word doc on all their sad pathetic sob stories on being banned from here.. I've called it the night of the living dead...
Several web sites have asked me to publish it as a post.. I will when the time is right...It will be biting and humorous..
/So there I was not doing nothing when all of a sudden...

287 J.S.  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:28:17pm

re: #280 talon_262

"The Family" should be pleased -- Uganda wants to re-criminalize homosexuality...that was supposed to have been a subject of one of the Commonwealth's items (ie, a protest against Uganda was supposed to have been launched...I haven't followed up on that or checked out if Uganda intends to proceed or if it's been dropped).

288 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:30:01pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops

LOL!
I want an autographed first edition!
*waves*

289 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:30:40pm

re: #288 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
I want an autographed first edition!
*waves*

Hi you!
Hope today finds you well!

290 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:32:54pm

re: #289 HoosierHoops

Lovely!
And, you?

291 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:36:54pm

re: #290 Floral Giraffe

Lovely!
And, you?

Wonderful! Everytime I lean over to post on the Laptop Winston licks my elbow...Little brat..It tickles!

292 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:37:38pm

re: #272 talon_262

WTF was that dude smoking? Is that what "The Family" really wants to do, recriminalize homosexuality as a capital crime?

Yes.
BTW, Stupak is also a member of the Family, which is yet another reason why one should realise that the Stupak amendment to the health care bill on abortion has as its ultimate goal the defunding of all abortion, for everyone.

CStreet Dem: "Don't Ask Me I; I Just Live There"

293 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:38:37pm

re: #292 iceweasel

Yes.
BTW, Stupak is also a member of the Family, which is yet another reason why one should realise that the Stupak amendment to the health care bill on abortion has as its ultimate goal the defunding of all abortion, for everyone.

CStreet Dem: "Don't Ask Me I; I Just Live There"



‘C Street’ Democrat: Don’t Ask Me, I Just Live There
fixed.

294 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:39:00pm

re: #293 iceweasel

Hi you!

295 Cato the Elder  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:47:14pm

re: #232 Charles

Are you saying that Peter Noone, lead singer of Herman's Hermits, is safe from Cato?

Of course he is. Anyone who can make a hit song out of the name of an English monarch without ever referring to the monarch's actual history is my ideal!

By the way, I just watched the 1952 first-ever film production of "The Importance of Being Earnest".

My two favorite lines, for the nonce, are:

GWENDOLEN. I never change, except in my affections.

CECILY. What a noble nature you have, Gwendolen!

296 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Nov 29, 2009 6:52:07pm

re: #294 HoosierHoops

Hi you!

hey cutie! How are you? I'm about to check on a very late dinner myself. :)


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