The racism at the Washington Times (former employer of white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain) is bubbling to the surface for all to smell, like noxious sewer gas. Today they ran the following advertisement, a lunatic Birther ad featuring images of monkeys. This isn’t even “dog whistle” racism. It’s right in your face, poking you in the eye.
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KernelPanic Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:05:25pm |
It will take less than 10 comments for someone to post "... I don't see the racism!"
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brookly red Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:05:35pm |
the ad may be f'ed up but the 3 monkeys racist? I don't see it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:05:35pm |
They do realize that American citizenship is not like being a Cohen, that it's not passed down only through the male line, right?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:06:24pm |
Maybe the racism implicit with showing monkeys didn't occur to them?
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:06:25pm |
They only like the Courts when they win, otherwise the Courts are the enemy, I guess.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:06:58pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:06:59pm |
re: #5 brookly red
the ad may be f'ed up but the 3 monkeys racist? I don't see it.
What's the reason for having them there, except to pitch the dogwhistle?
//And I need to stop using that phrase. Dogs are not racists. Dogs have a positive attitude about dogs of all breeds.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:07:32pm |
re: #3 KernelPanic
It will take less than 10 comments for someone to post "... I don't see the racism!"
You nailed that one.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:07:36pm |
re: #9 brookly red
Oh. Sorry. You were just fulfilling a wish...
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:07:49pm |
Of course, they offer no proof of their claim, nor can they, since they don't have any. That would also be the reason the Courts keep tossing these cases. The nirthers have nothing.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:08:20pm |
If you look at the last few lines of the ad, you see a pitch for money. As long as that still works, we'll keep seeing this BS.
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kobra_55 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:08:37pm |
re: #3 KernelPanic
Not only did it not take 10 comments, it took 10 seconds..exactly.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:08:53pm |
And I thought that after Bush left office, the tone would be lowered a few notches viz-a-viz Current-Occupant-of-the-Whitehouse Syndrome. The right has eclipsed the left in this respect. What a shame.
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:09:05pm |
re: #15 Sharmuta
Of course, they offer no proof of their claim, nor can they, since they don't have any. That would also be the reason the Courts keep tossing these cases. The nirthers have nothing.
That's because the courts are in on the conspiracy! Don't you get it. ///
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Bloodnok Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:09:25pm |
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Bagua Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:09:47pm |
Would it be appropriate for the President to sue the advertisers for slander?
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Cathypop Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:09:51pm |
re: #18 Gang of One
And I thought that after Bush left office, the tone would be lowered a few notches viz-a-viz Current-Occupant-of-the-Whitehouse Syndrome. The right has eclipsed the left in this respect. What a shame.
It is embarrassing
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:10:29pm |
re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist
What's the reason for having them there, except to pitch the dogwhistle?
//And I need to stop using that phrase. Dogs are not racists. Dogs have a positive attitude about dogs of all breeds.
You haven't seen this movie, have you?
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kobra_55 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:11:30pm |
re: #21 Bagua
I think to acknowledge any of it is below the office of the POTUS. It only makes it seem legitimate. I hope he doesn't touch it.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:13:09pm |
re: #18 Gang of One
... Current-Occupant-of-the-Whitehouse Derangement Syndrome.
There. Fixed that for me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:14:07pm |
Several years ago, the Commonwealth of Virginia executed Linwood Briley (yay, when they used Old Sparky, too)... who happened to be a black man.
A Deejay played a Peter Gabriel song, yeah, you know which one...
He (during his apology) said, I was riffing on the "Shock" part of the title.
Yeah. Right.
If I am not mistaken, he is now a "Former" Deejay.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:14:31pm |
re: #24 kobra_55
I think to acknowledge any of it is below the office of the POTUS. It only makes it seem legitimate. I hope he doesn't touch it.
That strategy has worked well so far. He has nothing to lose, and his opponents look like idiots without needing any assistance.
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:14:52pm |
re: #19 lawhawk
That's because the courts are in on the conspiracy! Don't you get it. ///
That's because judges are all Free Masons. Dan Brown told me so. ///
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:15:00pm |
The ad is ridiculous of course. I also don't see the three monkeys as racist. The see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil thing has been around a long time.
The monkeys don't represent Obama, just the 3 institutions supposedly ignoring his nirth certficate.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:15:12pm |
re: #21 Bagua
Would it be appropriate for the President to sue the advertisers for slander?
Permanent "Gaze"...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:15:38pm |
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rhino2 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:15:47pm |
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Neutral President Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:16:18pm |
re: #28 Sharmuta
That's because judges are all Free Masons. Dan Brown told me so. ///
And Obama is a shape-shifting reptilian alien put in power by Majestic 12.
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:17:17pm |
re: #28 Sharmuta
Hey! I'm reading that right now! Ix-nay on the oiler-spay!
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:17:34pm |
re: #21 Bagua
Would it be appropriate for the President to sue the advertisers for slander?
No, if only because the proper term for actionable lies in print is libel, slanders are by definition spoken.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:18:00pm |
I'm no longer surprised that people try to make excuses for this kind of deliberate, obvious race-baiting garbage.
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kobra_55 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:18:10pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:18:54pm |
re: #33 ArchangelMichael
And Obama is a shape-shifting reptilian alien put in power by Majestic 12.
/
Wrong, wrong, wrong!
MJ12 are there to oversee the existing relationship and try to garner the best advantage they can from it. The Reptilians are there already, MJ12 just help in the cover-up in exchange for power and technology.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:18:57pm |
re: #29 rwdflynavy
The ad is ridiculous of course. I also don't see the three monkeys as racist. The see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil thing has been around a long time.
The monkeys don't represent Obama, just the 3 institutions supposedly ignoring his nirth certficate.
Not only are the monkeys a racist reference, the whole nirth certifikit issue is a racist ploy.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:19:07pm |
In my opinion, the Birther movement itself is, at its core, an expression of racism.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:19:08pm |
re: #37 kobra_55
I heard the Majestic 12 changed it's name to ACORN.
/
I heard it was the other way.
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vxbush Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:19:44pm |
re: #18 Gang of One
... Current-Occupant-of-the-Whitehouse Derangement Syndrome.
COWDS. I like it.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:20:22pm |
re: #36 Charles
I'm no longer surprised that people try to make excuses for this kind of deliberate, obvious race-baiting garbage.
Charles, as you have said in the past: bad, very bad, craziness going around.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:20:27pm |
re: #39 wrenchwench
Not only are the monkeys a racist reference, the whole nirth certifikit issue is a racist ploy.
I don't disagree at all about the nirth certifikit thing, but the 3 monkeys representing 3 institutions isn't racist. The 3 monkeys are used all the time to represent folks with their heads in the sand. I think the add is terrible, but the monkeys aren't racist.
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Neutral President Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:20:37pm |
re: #37 kobra_55
I heard the Majestic 12 changed it's name to ACORN.
/
Either way, since Obama is actually a reptilian alien from Tau Ceti, Delta Pavonis, or Zeti2 Reticuli, he can't be a natural born US citizen.
/NIRTH!
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:20:54pm |
re: #42 vxbush
re: #18 Gang of One
COWDS. I like it.
Call it what it is - misplaced religious enthusiasm with political aspects. These folk are gnostics, pure and simple.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:21:04pm |
re: #39 wrenchwench
Not only are the monkeys a racist reference, the whole nirth certifikit issue is a racist ploy.
So the pictures of Bush looking like a monkey were racist?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:21:56pm |
re: #47 cliffster
So the pictures of Bush looking like a monkey were racist?
Please don't be obtuse.
There's a vast difference between that and using monkey images to smear a black man.
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vxbush Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:22:00pm |
re: #46 Guanxi88
Call it what it is - misplaced religious enthusiasm with political aspects. These folk are gnostics, pure and simple.
But I like how the COWDS abbreviation means that it is politics neutral.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:22:13pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:22:36pm |
re: #21 Bagua
Would it be appropriate for the President to sue the advertisers for slander?
I think it just gives them more attention.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:22:44pm |
re: #50 vxbush
But I like how the COWDS abbreviation means that it is politics neutral.
COWDS has the advantage of brevity. Political Gnostics just sounds too damned obtuse, as I think of it.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:22:52pm |
re: #39 wrenchwench
Not only are the monkeys a racist reference, the whole nirth certifikit issue is a racist ploy.
OK, I will buy the nirth certifkit thing has racist leanings, but the 3 wise monkeys? They are as universal as the stick figure on the men's room door.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:23:14pm |
re: #42 vxbush
re: #18 Gang of One
COWDS. I like it.
Current-Occupant-of-the-Whitehouse, Absolutely, Really Derangement Syndrome.
COWARDS. Better, yes?
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Neutral President Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:23:21pm |
re: #40 Charles
In my opinion, the Birther movement itself is, at its core, an expression of racism.
There's way too many people that are too comfortable with the idea that dark skinned persons with "foreign" sounding names are incapable of being American.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:23:24pm |
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24:17pm |
I know the economy may be hurting...but to stoop this low for a buck? This is pathetic...
My money says this would have been run if the economy were doing fine as well, however, meaning it's not even a question about money...if that made sense...
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24:56pm |
Wash. Slimes jumped the shark the moment they were acquired by the Moonies.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24:58pm |
re: #44 rwdflynavy
I don't disagree at all about the nirth certifikit thing, but the 3 monkeys representing 3 institutions isn't racist. The 3 monkeys are used all the time to represent folks with their heads in the sand. I think the add is terrible, but the monkeys aren't racist.
Hmmm. The head-in-the-sand idea is not necessarily racist, but it could have been printed instead of pictured. Might have nipped the race-baiting charge in the bud.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:25:08pm |
I'm not defending the ad, but if you've decided that you're going to run with the whole "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" theme, the three wise monkeys is the standard depiction thereof.
That said, it was pretty stupid not to anticipate the tendency for some to see racism everywhere and come up with something else, even though there's now 8 years' precedent of depicting the President as a chimp ( and in this case the 3 chimps are specifically labeled as Congress, Courts and Media).
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:25:51pm |
With all of the controversies that have popped up about using monkey images to smear the Obamas, there's absolutely NO WAY this is just a harmless thing.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:26:43pm |
re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist
Uh, NO.
Excellent movie, and I recall reading after its release that no animal was ever harmed in the filming. Make-up and stuffed dolls. Wonder if I can find that link.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:26:44pm |
re: #60 Gang of One
Hmmm. The head-in-the-sand idea is not necessarily racist, but it could have been printed instead of pictured. Might have nipped the race-baiting charge in the bud.
An ostrich perhaps.
/This is possibly the stupidest thing a U.S. president has ever been charged with, and that's a long list.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:26:45pm |
re: #62 Charles
With all of the controversies that have popped up about using monkey images to smear the Obamas, there's absolutely NO WAY this is just a harmless thing.
I think your right, it was certainly done on purpose, with forethought.
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Randall Gross Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:27:23pm |
re: #13 Charles
You nailed that one.
The Three Monkeys meme looks a lot like the Vlaams Belang ads you used to see.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:27:57pm |
re: #54 brookly red
OK, I will buy the nirth certifkit thing has racist leanings, but the 3 wise monkeys? They are as universal as the stick figure on the men's room door.
Just because it has been used in non-racist contexts for years does not mean it is not racist in this context. Have you noticed an increase in the use of "calling a spade a spade" recently, when something like "being honest" would do as well?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:28:09pm |
re: #62 Charles
Without the controversies, I might be okay with this... but... with them? I can't help but believe it is on purpose.
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:28:14pm |
re: #66 Thanos
The Three Monkeys meme looks a lot like the Vlaams Belang ads you used to see.
I was just going to mention how the VB used monkeys too!
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:29:37pm |
re: #69 Sharmuta
I was just going to mention how the VB used monkeys too!
"VB..Nirthers"
"Nirthers...VB.."
*shakes hands*
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In Excess Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:29:53pm |
Although I disagree with the premise of the ad (where he was born), the ad does not mention race anywhere.
The over-sensitive, over-analytical people here are the ones who draw the relation between Obama (or blacks) and monkeys. It seems that people here haven't caught up to the idea that people will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
Was it racist when Bush was called a 'chimp'? Or are people here, again, only looking a skin color?
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theheat Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:30:18pm |
It's too bad His Anointed Corpulence El Rushbo keeps Michael Steele's balls under his kitchen sink, because I'm sure Steele would tell the red meat faction of the right wing how inappropriate this is, otherwise.
//
Things that will never happen.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:31:22pm |
re: #71 In Excess
It seems that people here haven't caught up to the idea that people will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:32:17pm |
re: #71 In Excess
Come on, you can't be that dense..?
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:32:31pm |
re: #61 Abu Al-Poopypants
I'm not defending the ad, but if you've decided that you're going to run with the whole "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" theme, the three wise monkeys is the standard depiction thereof.
That said, it was pretty stupid not to anticipate the tendency for some to see racism everywhere and come up with something else, even though there's now 8 years' precedent of depicting the President as a chimp ( and in this case the 3 chimps are specifically labeled as Congress, Courts and Media).
You attribute it to stupidity, I attribute it to racism. Not a big leap, especially when we are talking about supposedly educated, professional adults, not some school newspaper. Maybe the Wash. Times needs an academic adviser.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:32:46pm |
re: #72 Sharmuta
Interesting. I once talked to a woman who grew up in Germany in the 50s. She said that when everyone in her neighborhood got TV sets, everyone also got little statues of the three monkeys, and in each home, they were put on top of the TV. No one discussed it.
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kobra_55 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:32:56pm |
re: #40 Charles
Absolutely. To me it smacks a little bit of disbelief and desperation...and of course...racism. I imagine them thinking, "WHAT!? A Black man is our President!? This cannot be, not in MY America! There must be some kind of mistake/cover-up here for this to have happened!"
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:33:02pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:33:03pm |
My next door neighbors' pit bulls broke out of the yard and attacked the neighbor on the other side.
Damn, there's police cars everywhere. And the fucking dogs are running everywhere.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:33:57pm |
re: #80 Alouette
My next door neighbors' pit bulls broke out of the yard and attacked the neighbor on the other side.
Damn, there's police cars everywhere. And the fucking dogs are running everywhere.
Aiyah.
Stay put.
How many pit bulls are we talking?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:33:59pm |
re: #80 Alouette
My next door neighbors' pit bulls broke out of the yard and attacked the neighbor on the other side.
Damn, there's police cars everywhere. And the fucking dogs are running everywhere.
TARGET PRACTICE...
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kobra_55 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:35:09pm |
re: #78 kobra_55
Of course it's not just his race but also his politics. I don't know for sure but I don't think they backlash would have been quite as strong if Alan Keyes had won the presidency, although I'm sure that there would have been a backlash in that case as well.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37:17pm |
re: #84 kobra_55
Of course it's not just his race but also his politics. I don't know for sure but I don't think they backlash would have been quite as strong if Alan Keyes had won the presidency, although I'm sure that there would have been a backlash in that case as well.
It would have been very different, for sure.
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Randall Gross Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37:21pm |
The cognitive dissonance here is weirdly striking as well. These same people would be up in arms if you cited foreign law as applying to the US if the subject were revolving around the UN, but citing foreign laws is fine if it supports their wackball cause.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37:29pm |
Do people actually read the newspapers anymore? Let alone the Washington Times?
(rhetorical questions)
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bj Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37:41pm |
You sure those aren't Jewish monkeys? We're known in some circles as "sons of pigs and apes" ... just sayin'. Or do those monkeys depict some of O's advisors?
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McSpiff Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37:58pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
Might not be the best time to start shooting in the general vicinity of police.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37:59pm |
Well, either way, if they want to make themselves look stupid, then, fuck 'em.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:38:01pm |
re: #71 In Excess
Was it racist when Bush was called a 'chimp'? Or are people here, again, only looking a skin color?
Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you nuts? Are you seriously trying to pretend there's no history of racism in associating black people with monkeys?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:38:33pm |
Well, there are definitely monkeys here. They are throwing poo and jumping up and down because they think that throwing it is the same as hitting the target.
The black dude who lives at 1600, on the other hand, is watching their antics in amusement. He's probably too smart to engage the monkeys in a crap-throwing contest.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:38:50pm |
re: #89 McSpiff
Might not be the best time to start shooting in the general vicinity of police.
Never stopped me... well... one time it did... but I ran fast...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:39:22pm |
re: #91 Charles
Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you nuts? Are you seriously trying to pretend there's no history of racism in associating black people with monkeys?
No, he's pretending that refusing to see racism is the same thing as not being racist.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:39:24pm |
re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist
Aiyah.
Stay put.
How many pit bulls are we talking?
They have 4 pit bulls and a yappy little Shi Tzu hairball.
The fence on our side is too narrow for the pits, but the hairball gets through once in a while. The pits broke a hole in the fence on the other neighbor's side.
I hope these "dog lovers" get mucho fines and citations.
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baldeagle Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:39:26pm |
The birth certificate is not the only verification/audit trail of this persons life that is not known. Why is every school record and passport record as well as "historical ssns" have a problem.. This guy has no visible audit trail anywhere,,,he is a ghost. Never mind never having a real job. They can fact check Palins book down to the last period but no one ever checked /verified Os books other than saying how wonderful he was.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:40:49pm |
re: #96 baldeagle
The birth certificate is not the only verification/audit trail of this persons life that is not known. Why is every school record and passport record as well as "historical ssns" have a problem.. This guy has no visible audit trail anywhere,,,he is a ghost. Never mind never having a real job. They can fact check Palins book down to the last period but no one ever checked /verified Os books other than saying how wonderful he was.
"This person" is the President of the United States, and his birth certificate is so well documented that poor Linda Lingle probably just carries a notarized copy with her everywhere now.
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SixDegrees Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:40:52pm |
re: #40 Charles
In my opinion, the Birther movement itself is, at its core, an expression of racism.
True of many, many conspiracy theories. Ever notice that, in von Daniken's version of history, it's always the the darker people who can't accomplish anything without help from the aliens? White folk toss up enormous monuments almost without a second though, all by themselves. But if an Aztec or an Egyptian wants to build a pyramid, he's gotta go looking for help from off planet.
In some of his later works, von Daniken brushes up against interbreeding between humans and aliens. And guess which race he thinks resulted from that comingling?
Same with many of the 9/11 whackadoo theories - they all boil down to the notion that people from the Middle East simply aren't capable of such planning and execution, so it must have been the white folk behind the whole thing.
There are other examples; it's pretty common.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:40:54pm |
re: #96 baldeagle
The birth certificate is not the only verification/audit trail of this persons life that is not known.
Oh brother. Here we go again.
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Varek Raith Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:41:08pm |
re: #96 baldeagle
Sigh. You know what? GAZE.
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Lee Coller Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:41:11pm |
re: #96 baldeagle
Go over to duece with the rest of the nutcases.
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recusancy Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:42:23pm |
re: #100 Varek Raith
Sigh. You know what? GAZE.
What does GAZE mean? I see you guys type that a lot.
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theheat Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:42:28pm |
re: #96 baldeagle
Is there some reason you find multiple commas necessary to share your conspiracy theories, or is your other personality managing the keyboard? Smells so tfk.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:42:43pm |
re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My thoughts exactly. If it wasn't for the other instances of racist images/leanings from the Nirthers, I would have hoped that the Nirthers used it for the "Three Wise Monkeys" reference, and that the person that should have said "Wait a minute, guys, that could be seen as racist" was asleep at the time this was proposed and that it was an honest mistake.
But, this isn't an honest mistake, not when we have documented cases of Nirthers using racist images/words in regards to President Obama. Shame on everyone involved in this ad. I just wish this Nirtherism goes away and that the people can move on to more important things, such as reducing the deficit.
And I do agree with Charles that Nirtherism has a racist tinge to it, as there are people out there that don't want to see a black man leading the country. The Nirther movement is giving these people a way of demonstrating their displeasure at the CinC without being seen as racist by the general population, or so they think.
But, as long as there are people who think like the Nirthers, this issue will continue.
Hope I made that seem somewhat clear.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:43:04pm |
re: #104 recusancy
What does GAZE mean? I see you guys type that a lot.
Means "I'm not acknowledging you/won't interact with you".
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:43:32pm |
re: #86 Thanos
The cognitive dissonance here is weirdly striking as well. These same people would be up in arms if you cited foreign law as applying to the US if the subject were revolving around the UN, but citing foreign laws is fine if it supports their wackball cause.
Ahhh, hypocrisy...
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:43:47pm |
re: #96 baldeagle
You know, I may not be enamored with our current Commander in Chief and would have preferred someone else, but wow, you really think that?
That's some potent Kood-Aid.
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:43:51pm |
re: #104 recusancy
What does GAZE mean? I see you guys type that a lot.
It means to gaze instead of interacting.
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kobra_55 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:44:00pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
Good to know, I was wondering about that as well.
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In Excess Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:46:08pm |
re: #91 Charles
Historically, yes. But the ad, no. Is there another animal that would have been more appropriate?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:46:20pm |
re: #109 MrSilverDragon
You know, I may not be enamored with our current Commander in Chief and would have preferred someone else, but wow, you really think that?
That's some potent Koo
dK-Aid.
Tried to fix that...
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Randall Gross Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:46:47pm |
re: #110 Sharmuta
It means to gaze instead of interacting.
It's also an indicator to other lizards not to feed the troll.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:47:02pm |
re: #104 recusancy
What does GAZE mean? I see you guys type that a lot.
First time I saw it, I was thinking it meant "Go Away, (something something)" because I like acronyms... but then I realized I was overthinking it, and figured out it was just a "staredown for stupid".
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:47:15pm |
Scroll down and you can see more anti-Court nativist propaganda- VB style.
(Note the sticker on the bench that says "Black is Beautiful")
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:47:35pm |
re: #112 In Excess
Historically, yes. But the ad, no. Is there another animal that would have been more appropriate?
Humans.
Or, to politicize it, donkeys.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:47:42pm |
Police are chasing the dogs now. The little hairball is yapping like crazy.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:48:13pm |
re: #113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Tried to fix that...
There I go again, typing while sleepy.
Kool-Aid...
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SixDegrees Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:48:29pm |
re: #118 Alouette
Police are chasing the dogs now. The little hairball is yapping like crazy.
I hope your neighbor's OK.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:48:49pm |
I'm wondering if I should give a statement to the cops or just stay inside and mind my own fucking business.
I'm opting for minding my own fucking business. If the cops want a statement they can knock on the door.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:49:20pm |
re: #118 Alouette
Police are chasing the dogs now. The little hairball is yapping like crazy.
the little hairball is leader...
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General Nimrod Bodfish Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:49:26pm |
re: #112 In Excess
Maybe an ostrich with it's head in the sand? Or maybe cartoonish people representing the courts, media, and Congress (like in those political cartoons where the cartoonists uses generic people to represent an institution)? Anything but the monkeys.
Actually, anything but the ad would do, but can't stop them there.
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SixDegrees Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:50:44pm |
re: #121 Alouette
I'm wondering if I should give a statement to the cops or just stay inside and mind my own fucking business.
I'm opting for minding my own fucking business. If the cops want a statement they can knock on the door.
Depends. If the dogs have been a problem in the past, your input might be useful.
Overall, however, I agree that it may be best to wait and see if you're contacted.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:51:02pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:51:16pm |
Why is it Congress's problem, anyway, to check up on the President's documentation?
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:51:20pm |
SanFranciscoZionist,
I found one of several links regarding Amores Perros, but my 'puter crashed ...
"The RSPCA accepts that the dog-fighting scenes are integral to the film's story, and not gratuitous or exploitative; but has expressed concern at how realistic they seem. "We went through Amores Perros frame by frame," says Clark. "We also saw a statement by the trainer of the animals, and talked to the American Humane Association, who are convinced that no harm came to any of them in making it. When you run the film, it looks very convincing, but when you slow it down, you can see the techniques they've used to create the illusion. It's been very cleverly filmed and put together."
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gearhead Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:52:37pm |
A little OT, but has anyone else seen a bumper sticker like this: black "SS" lightning bolts on a white field, on an approx. 4" round sticker. No other lettering or symbols. Saw it this a.m. on the way to work.
Is there any other possible explanation besides (to me) the obvious one?
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:53:06pm |
Obama facing tough selling job on Afghan policy
Barack Obama has begun one of the toughest sales jobs of his presidency, launching the much-awaited rollout of his new Afghan war strategy by informing top military and civilian advisers in Washington and Kabul and telephoning key allies around the globe.
Obama is outlining his decision to an increasingly skeptical U.S. public on Tuesday night in a nationally broadcast address from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. The strategy will include deploying thousands more American forces to Afghanistan, clarifying why the U.S. is fighting the war and laying out a path toward disengagement.
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brookly red Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:53:23pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
Why is it Congress's problem, anyway, to check up on the President's documentation?
/ well 2 or 3 hundred million in fact finding? sounds like a job for congress to me!
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:54:45pm |
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brookly red Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:54:55pm |
re: #129 gearhead
A little OT, but has anyone else seen a bumper sticker like this: black "SS" lightning bolts on a white field, on an approx. 4" round sticker. No other lettering or symbols. Saw it this a.m. on the way to work.
Is there any other possible explanation besides (to me) the obvious one?
local metal band?
naaaw, didn't think so...
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:55:23pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
Why is it Congress's problem, anyway, to check up on the President's documentation?
I don't think there's any precedent, really. The Constitution says what a person has to be, bud doesn't really lay out a way to force that issue. At least I don't see anything there. Probably would be a thing where you would have to sue, before the election, in all 50 states, to get someone's name off the list in each state. NOT run monkey ads a year after the election.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:55:30pm |
re: #129 gearhead
Outer Banks type? Like OBX?
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:55:50pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
Humans.
Or, to politicize it, donkeys.
L to R, Pelosi, Ginsburg and Matthews and you have a more effective ad, which I'm still not defending but go ahead and "-" me again, it's your sandbox.
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Fenris Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:56:34pm |
Broken record time...
"Born a British subject..."
"...Currently a British Protected Person and/or a British citizen to this day..."
Surely the placement can't have anything to do with anti-British Holocaust denier Lyndon LaRouche's falling out with the Washington Post...can it?
Seriously, can anyone decipher those teeny-tiny links at the bottom?
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Hawkins Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:56:41pm |
So much of birther craziness seems to boil down to something like:
YOU PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND! DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? THERE IS A N-E-G-R-O IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
...delivered in an exasperated, out-of-breath voice.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:57:26pm |
OT: Lizard Concept Car
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:57:29pm |
re: #138 Abu Al-Poopypants
L to R, Pelosi, Ginsburg and Matthews and you have a more effective ad, which I'm still not defending but go ahead and "-" me again, it's your sandbox.
... what?
I'm not a cat. I don't have a sandbox. And I didn't downding you... yet.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:58:04pm |
re: #129 gearhead
Is there any other possible explanation besides (to me) the obvious one?
I can't think of anything else. I always thought the KISS logo was a little too close to that, but the band's leaders are both Jewish.
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ben-ami Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:58:08pm |
The ad itself doesn't make any sense. Haven't they ever heard of the Fourteenth Amendment? "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
If you're born in the US, you're a citizen of the US. Period. Obama was born in Hawaii.
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In Excess Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:58:11pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
Should the people be black? Or white? Or other? What would the racist message be then?
If donkeys were used, then the reference could be that he is an ass.
If elephants were used, then it could be a reference to his big ears.
If zebras were used, then it could be that he is mixed race.
It could go on and on.
The 'three wise monkeys' have been a reference since the 8th century.
I stick by my original comment that this is over-analyzed and over-sensitive.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:58:18pm |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
It's really more of a bike.
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gearhead Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:58:25pm |
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:58:59pm |
re: #142 Obdicut
Obdicut, sorry... that was directed at our host.
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SteveC Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:59:25pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
Why is it Congress's problem, anyway, to check up on the President's documentation?
I'm pretty sure it isn't. Besides, wouldn't it be the in the RNC and DNC best interest to vet their own candidates? Because you can bet the other side is going to be looking with a magnifying glass, especially if the candidate is pursuing a national level office.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:00:05pm |
I hate it when we get a good thread and I gotta make dinner. Wet burrito, anyone? BBL.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:00:25pm |
re: #147 gearhead
Yep that's what I was asking. If you see them on the side of the road? Don't offer to help them change their tire, okay.
Sheesh!
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SteveC Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:00:49pm |
re: #140 Hawkins
So much of birther craziness seems to boil down to something like:
YOU PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND! DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? THERE IS A N-E-G-R-O IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
...delivered in an exasperated, out-of-breath voice.
The Sheriff is a *Ding-Dong*!
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:01:25pm |
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:01:50pm |
1. Birth Certificate Lawsuit
a. Xenophobia
b. Racially Motivated
2. Washington Times
a. Wesley Pruden
b. Robert Stacy McCain
c. White Supremacist Connections
d. Neo-Confederate Connections
3. Three Monkeys
a. Primate Innuendo
b. Dog Whistle
Yep, this passes the test.
Racist
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Bagua Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:01:55pm |
re: #35 goddamnedfrank
No, if only because the proper term for actionable lies in print is libel, slanders are by definition spoken.
Thanks, I can't believe I typed that.
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Fenris Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:01:58pm |
re: #140 Hawkins
So much of birther craziness seems to boil down to something like:
YOU PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND! DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? THERE IS A N-E-G-R-O IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
...delivered in an exasperated, out-of-breath voice.
Real shame spelling to feign politeness doesn't W-O-R-K in any written format. It's a classic movie punchline otherwise.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:02:12pm |
re: #147 gearhead
Nah, if that's the angle of the bolts, then it's definitely Nazi propaganda. Of course, it could be a clueless moron driving a car he bought from a neo-Nazi, blithely unaware of the provenance of the symbol, but I doubt it. As a Jew, it makes me feel stabby.
re: #145 In Excess
Should the people be black? Or white? Or other? What would the racist message be then?
They could be the actual people who the accusation is being leveled against. If they were all black, it'd be racist. If they were all Korean, it'd be damn weird.
If donkeys were used, then the reference could be that he is an ass.
Which isn't a racist statement. And the donkey is the symbol of the Democratic party.
You sound like you're trying to convince yourself a lot more than you're trying to convince me.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:02:23pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
It's really more of a bike.
Which makes it all the more cool. Need more info!
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:02:30pm |
re: #130 Sharmuta
It's not like he didn't run on FINISHING THE JOB in Afghanistan or anything. Democrats seem so shocked that he's keeping a campaign promise. I'm not going to read Kos for like a week after tomorrow because everbody is going to be running around with their hair on fire.
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gearhead Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:02:53pm |
re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yep that's what I was asking. If you see them on the side of the road? Don't offer to help them change their tire, okay.
Sheesh!
Yeah, no s--t. If that's what it is, I'm (somewhat) amazed that someone would display it openly.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:03:29pm |
re: #154 Gus 802
1. Birth Certificate Lawsuit
a. Xenophobia
b. Racially Motivated2. Washington Times
a. Wesley Pruden
b. Robert Stacy McCain
c. White Supremacist Connections
d. Neo-Confederate Connections3. Three Monkeys
a. Primate Innuendo
b. Dog WhistleYep, this passes the test.
Racist
I like the way you always bring a basket of facts to a thread. That's kind and useful.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:03:36pm |
Wow, people go on and on. These AGW threads, and AGW OT conversations in other threads, get people posting on them for three or four days. "I'll bet Charles would change his mind if he just heard this one thing I have to say..."
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:04:06pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
Nah, if that's the angle of the bolts, then it's definitely Nazi propaganda. Of course, it could be a clueless moron driving a car he bought from a neo-Nazi, blithely unaware of the provenance of the symbol, but I doubt it. As a Jew, it makes me feel stabby.
You get that feeling, too, eh? Never could find a good name for it. Always kinda made me feel like Ehud, but stabby works.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:04:24pm |
re: #162 cliffster
I don't think the deniers are posting honestly when they sneak in to dead threads to make their arguments. I don't think that at all.
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:04:37pm |
re: #161 wrenchwench
I like the way you always bring a basket of facts to a thread. That's kind and useful.
Thanks. Thought I'd create an outline for this one.
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Bagua Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:04:47pm |
re: #129 gearhead
A little OT, but has anyone else seen a bumper sticker like this: black "SS" lightning bolts on a white field, on an approx. 4" round sticker. No other lettering or symbols. Saw it this a.m. on the way to work.
Is there any other possible explanation besides (to me) the obvious one?
It's a biker symbol.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:05:16pm |
re: #160 gearhead
I'd believe it. And it saddens me.
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Neutral President Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:05:38pm |
re: #129 gearhead
I think besides the blatantly obvious, that the Hells Angels and/or associates use that symbol as well. There was a motorcycle shop owned by HA here about 20 years ago and they had that SS symbol right on the sign.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:05:38pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:06:03pm |
re: #159 Conservative Moonbat
Finishing the job is one point where Lizards agree with the President. We can't leave the Afghanis now, we have to finish the job.
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gearhead Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:06:33pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
Nah, if that's the angle of the bolts, then it's definitely Nazi propaganda. Of course, it could be a clueless moron driving a car he bought from a neo-Nazi, blithely unaware of the provenance of the symbol, but I doubt it. As a Jew, it makes me feel stabby.
I'm a bit of a WW2 nerd, so they immediately jumped out at me. Gives me the creeps.
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:06:59pm |
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Fenris Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:07:14pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
Which isn't a racist statement. And the donkey is the symbol of the Democratic party.
You sound like you're trying to convince yourself a lot more than you're trying to convince me.
The elephant and donkey motifs actually came from cartoonist Thomas Nast, who was racist against Irish immigrants.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:08:10pm |
re: #173 fenrisdesigns
The elephant and donkey motifs actually came from cartoonist Thomas Nast, who was racist against Irish immigrants.
Are either of them supposed to represent a racial type?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:08:15pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
Nah, if that's the angle of the bolts, then it's definitely Nazi propaganda. Of course, it could be a clueless moron driving a car he bought from a neo-Nazi, blithely unaware of the provenance of the symbol, but I doubt it. As a Jew, it makes me feel stabby.
Reminds me of the time I saw some POS wearing a "Death to Zionism" t-shirt in my neighborhood. Thought about it for a few seconds, and decided I wasn't gonna say anything before screaming at him "I hope you f*cking die screaming you f*cking nazi ape!"
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:08:24pm |
re: #170 Sharmuta
Finishing the job is one point where Lizards agree with the President. We can't leave the Afghanis now, we have to finish the job.
Finishing the job was where the President agreed with Lizards ...
//j.k. -- you are correct, though.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:10:00pm |
re: #170 Sharmuta
Finishing the job is one point where Lizards agree with the President. We can't leave the Afghanis now, we have to finish the job.
I thought the "job" was to boot the Taliban out and keep them out, and to destroy AQ and get OBL.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:10:03pm |
re: #173 fenrisdesigns
Nast is in Crossword puzzles all of the time.
Clue is "American Cartoonist"...
It's always Nast. Shultz, Larson, et al are always shown with something that points to them specifically.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:10:16pm |
re: #164 Obdicut
I don't think the deniers are posting honestly when they sneak in to dead threads to make their arguments. I don't think that at all.
I don't think so either. They're trying to get the last word, and dump a whole bunch of misleading garbage at the end of a dead thread, because of a weird belief that it validates their delusions.
Maybe they believe they can make the glaciers stop melting by getting the last word in an LGF climate thread; I don't know.
It's a very odd phenomenon, and it happens in every single climate thread.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:10:17pm |
re: #175 Guanxi88
Reminds me of the time I saw some POS wearing a "Death to Zionism" t-shirt in my neighborhood. Thought about it for a few seconds, and decided I wasn't gonna say anything before screaming at him "I hope you f*cking die screaming you f*cking nazi ape!"
As if these fucktards even understand what Zionism really is.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:10:35pm |
re: #170 Sharmuta
Finishing the job is one point where Lizards agree with the President. We can't leave the Afghanis now, we have to finish the job.
But the only way I want to see the job finished is if our men and woman are allowed to go in an clean all the crap up. playing nice should not be an option. I'm tired of all this "soft" warfare. Finish the job and finish it hard.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:11:23pm |
re: #179 Charles
I love the polls about global warming. "57% of Americans believe that global warming theory is suspect." Like that matters.
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gearhead Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:11:23pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:11:59pm |
re: #166 Bagua
You did see earlier that I was not banging on you, right Bags?
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:12:26pm |
re: #179 Charles
I don't think so either. They're trying to get the last word, and dump a whole bunch of misleading garbage at the end of a dead thread, because of a weird belief that it validates their delusions.
Maybe they believe they can make the glaciers stop melting by getting the last word in an LGF climate thread; I don't know.
It's a very odd phenomenon, and it happens in every single climate thread.
It's like the guy who double dips his tortilla chip at a party, thinking nobody's paying attention.
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webevintage Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:12:42pm |
Monkeys are funny.
Monkeys dressed up like little hairy humans are funny.
Monkeys used in ads discussing the first black American President...not so much.
(which is of course because historically monkeys were used in advertising and political cartoons to represent black Americans in a degrading and ugly way. In the same way the words "jungle bunny" or "porch monkey", which sound like a funny combination of words, are NOT at all funny once you know the historical and racist use of those words.)
The ad is made of fail and the folks who put it out are either idiots or racists.
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:13:04pm |
re: #182 cliffster
I love the polls about global warming. "57% of Americans believe that global warming theory is suspect." Like that matters.
Which puts us just one notch above the nation of Turkey.
In a worldwide poll that is.
//
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:13:09pm |
re: #175 Guanxi88
Reminds me of the time I saw some POS wearing a "Death to Zionism" t-shirt in my neighborhood. Thought about it for a few seconds, and decided I wasn't gonna say anything before screaming at him "I hope you f*cking die screaming you f*cking nazi ape!"
OT:
Much like the "War on Terror", "Death to Zionism" makes no sense. It pretty much translates to "Death to Jews".
I used to live three blocks away from Farrakhan in Chicago. I'd go and stroll near his house and associated complex wearing a Star of David t-shirt. A minister would always appear out of nowhere to talk to me. I'd debate the bible, history, etc. with him. One thing I realized is that Farrakhan used the word "Zionist" as a synonym for "Jew".
It was very depressing, since all of the ministers I talked to were bright young men who honestly wanted to do good for their community, but were under-educated and all to ready to believe what a schmuck like Farrakhan had to say. However, more than a few were receptive to my basic points, and at least one of them left the ministry after being unable to reconcile reality with what he was taught there.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:13:16pm |
re: #181 Walter L. Newton
The MSM would make sure the people were aware of what was being done. And America does not want to know what is done during war.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:13:18pm |
re: #185 Gang of One
They confirmed on Mythbusters that double-dipping IS germy.
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:13:26pm |
re: #179 Charles
I don't think so either. They're trying to get the last word, and dump a whole bunch of misleading garbage at the end of a dead thread, because of a weird belief that it validates their delusions.
Maybe they believe they can make the glaciers stop melting by getting the last word in an LGF climate thread; I don't know.
It's a very odd phenomenon, and it happens in every single climate thread.
The anti-science types did the same thing on ID threads.
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John Vreeland Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:13:26pm |
Oh My Gawd There's a MONKEY on the page!
For cryin' out loud, people. That stupid "three wise monkeys" concept is ancient and 1) is exquisitely applicable to the deluded claims of the birthers, and 2) does not even refer to the president.
So unless you want to claim that representing the press, the courts and the media as chimps is somehow racist---which I still don't see---then all I can say is that you should be careful when you stare into the eyes of the loony, because it stares back into you.
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SteveC Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:13:44pm |
re: #182 cliffster
I love the polls about global warming. "57% of Americans believe that global warming theory is suspect." Like that matters.
Well it DOES! It's all about our feelings!
///
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gearhead Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:15:04pm |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They confirmed on Mythbusters that double-dipping IS germy.
Did the germs survive the massive explosion?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:15:05pm |
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:15:06pm |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They confirmed on Mythbusters that double-dipping IS germy.
Yet, French-kissing is so, so, ...
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:15:08pm |
re: #192 Vreejack
I downdinged you, and I'm they guy that pointed out earlier that Bush was also compared to a monkey.
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:15:55pm |
re: #179 Charles
I don't think so either. They're trying to get the last word, and dump a whole bunch of misleading garbage at the end of a dead thread, because of a weird belief that it validates their delusions.
Maybe they believe they can make the glaciers stop melting by getting the last word in an LGF climate thread; I don't know.
It's a very odd phenomenon, and it happens in every single climate thread.
Reflective gasbaggery - a serious climate threat. /
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:16:48pm |
Later Lizards!
Gotta hit the road.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:16:49pm |
re: #192 Vreejack
Oh My Gawd There's a MONKEY on the page!
For cryin' out loud, people. That stupid "three wise monkeys" concept is ancient and 1) is exquisitely applicable to the deluded claims of the birthers, and 2) does not even refer to the president.
So unless you want to claim that representing the press, the courts and the media as chimps is somehow racist---which I still don't see---then all I can say is that you should be careful when you stare into the eyes of the loony, because it stares back into you.
C'mon guy. In any other context, you'd have a case. Too much monkey=African in the bigot's bag of mind-tricks, to gloss over this one. This was calculated.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:16:59pm |
re: #201 SteveC
invigorating? *crazy grin*
As long as it isn't your sister. Unless you are from West Virginia.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:17:00pm |
re: #198 Gang of One
Yet, French-kissing is so, so, ...
But, I get to choose who I kiss.
Sharing Chapstick?
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:17:04pm |
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:17:57pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:18:03pm |
re: #204 soxfan4life
Uncle Daddy is not amused, sir.
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SteveC Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:18:03pm |
re: #204 soxfan4life
As long as it isn't your sister. Unless you are from West Virginia.
Clear on both points. No sister, and not from West Virginia!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:18:20pm |
Now ask me if I knew in advance that lots of people would pop up with literalist arguments to claim there's no racism about using monkeys to smear a black President.
A: Yep, I sure did.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:20:51pm |
My oldest daughter in NY just had a baby boy! Her 7th kid.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:20:52pm |
re: #211 Charles
Now ask me if I knew in advance that lots of people would pop up with literalist arguments to claim there's no racism about using monkeys to smear a black President.
A: Yep, I sure did.
They are so predictable, Charles.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:20pm |
re: #211 Charles
Charles. Sometimes I just don't want to believe the worst.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:22pm |
re: #211 Charles
Not to defend the pictures, but with the lefts cries of racism over every criticism of President Obama it starts to be like the boy crying wolf. Now when real racism rears its ugly head we aren't fazed by the accusations. That being said it is still wrong.
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:27pm |
re: #212 Alouette
My oldest daughter in NY just had a baby boy! Her 7th kid.
You're up to 24 grandkids now?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:36pm |
re: #212 Alouette
Crap! Ain't you got a bushel too?
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webevintage Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:38pm |
re: #212 Alouette
My oldest daughter in NY just had a baby boy! Her 7th kid.
Congratulations! and Wow...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:41pm |
re: #212 Alouette
Mazel tov! I'm one of seven, so much joy to her, her husband, and her children.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:56pm |
The other weird thing about the climate threads is how many of the most hardcore deniers claim to be "scientists."
And again, the similarity with the creationist threads is absolutely striking.
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:21:58pm |
re: #203 Gang of One
C'mon guy. In any other context, you'd have a case. Too much monkey=African in the bigot's bag of mind-tricks, to gloss over this one. This was calculated.
See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil have a broader application than racial stereotypes. HOWEVER-
At the very least the use of that picture indicates a real tin ear on the part of the nirthers towards the history of racist imagery.
Of course these folks have a whole cornucopia of issues that make this another pimple on a plague victim.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:22:46pm |
re: #212 Alouette
Is it okay for a Gentile to say, "Mazel Tov!"?
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SixDegrees Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:22:50pm |
re: #182 cliffster
I love the polls about global warming. "57% of Americans believe that global warming theory is suspect." Like that matters.
It does matter. Because whatever solution is sought is ultimately going to be implemented through the political process. And politics is dominated by what constituents think.
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McSpiff Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:23:09pm |
re: #212 Alouette
My oldest daughter in NY just had a baby boy! Her 7th kid.
Congratulations! Was there another one born not too long ago as well?
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:23:23pm |
re: #221 Charles
The other weird thing about the climate threads is how many of the most hardcore deniers claim to be "scientists."
And again, the similarity with the creationist threads is absolutely striking.
Rocket scientists!
/
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:23:38pm |
re: #225 SixDegrees
It does matter. Because whatever solution is sought is ultimately going to be implemented through the political process. And politics is dominated by what constituents think.
Which is why it's very, very, very important to help the scientists, who are not politicians, by revealing the patently false attacks on them for what they are, and not joining in on them.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:23:46pm |
re: #192 Vreejack
Oh My Gawd There's a MONKEY on the page!
For cryin' out loud, people. That stupid "three wise monkeys" concept is ancient and 1) is exquisitely applicable to the deluded claims of the birthers, and 2) does not even refer to the president.
So unless you want to claim that representing the press, the courts and the media as chimps is somehow racist---which I still don't see---then all I can say is that you should be careful when you stare into the eyes of the loony, because it stares back into you.
I know that you know the meaning of the word "disingenuous" because I've seen you use it in a sentence.
166 Vreejack11/14/2009 9:43:09 pm PST
re: #136 ManitobaRatShe is right, we are not evolved from monkeys. However we do have a common ancestor
That argument is a bit disingenuous since that common ancestor would be called a "monkey" by just about anybody, especially a biologist. Of course, this whole argument is lost on Creationists, who already argue about whether various purported human ancestor fossils are human or not, thus wrecking their own case.
"It's human" "No, it's an ape." "Where are the missing links?"
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:23:48pm |
re: #221 Charles
The other weird thing about the climate threads is how many of the most hardcore deniers claim to be "scientists."
And again, the similarity with the creationist threads is absolutely striking.
Well you know Charles. Defining what a scientist is isn't an exact science. /
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webevintage Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:23:48pm |
re: #221 Charles
The other weird thing about the climate threads is how many of the most hardcore deniers claim to be "scientists."
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:24:09pm |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is it okay for a Gentile to say, "Mazel Tov!"?
Only as long as you mean it!
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:24:28pm |
re: #212 Alouette
My oldest daughter in NY just had a baby boy! Her 7th kid.
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:24:56pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
Or a third level paladin with a vorpal blade.
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McSpiff Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:00pm |
re: #232 webevintage
I claim to be a computer engineering student. In reality I drive racecars.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:02pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
I am 6'4", 225 pounds, and I have a giant...
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:07pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
Not me, I'm a badass.
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Bagua Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:10pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:11pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
How can you make a statement like that? I'm neither and never claimed to be, and I never heard you claim that?
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:12pm |
re: #177 Spare O'Lake
I thought the "job" was to boot the Taliban out and keep them out, and to destroy AQ and get OBL.
Assuming OBL didn't die of kidney failure years ago (which I personally suspect). I'm more concerned about keeping the Pakistani nukes secure than anything else. That must not ever even become a risk.
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:30pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
I'm a Saudi princess.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:32pm |
Having seen the three monkeys on my grandmother's desk since childhood and knowing how she explained what they meant and not immediately seeing anything wrong with the monkeys, per se, having thought a bit about the context, I have to agree that their usage in this ad is not only racist, but blatantly and purposefully racist.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:34pm |
If I had to take a drink every single time the tu quoque crowd busted out the "Obama-monkey associations aren't racist because someone somewhere compared Bush to a chimp" line, I'd be dead by now.
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gearhead Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:25:47pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
"Dr. Gearhead" - that has kind of a cool ring to it.
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Bagua Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:26:01pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
You're projecting.
/
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:26:12pm |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is it okay for a Gentile to say, "Mazel Tov!"?
Gotta work on the accent.
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In Excess Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:26:23pm |
re: #211 Charles
It was a slam dunk!
But instead of charging “dog whistle” racism and walking away, why don't you explain the racist connection that is lost on some of us since the three monkeys in the ad represent Congress, the Courts and the Media - not Obama.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:26:30pm |
Witch-doctors, monkeys - what's next - gollywogs? The bottom of the 'deniable racism' barrel has been scraped so much it's just leaking straight out into plain view now.
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:27:09pm |
re: #240 Walter L. Newton
How can you make a statement like that? I'm neither and never claimed to be, and I never heard you claim that?
It's always hyperoble with you isn't it. /
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:27:25pm |
re: #232 webevintage
On the internet everyone is either a "scientist" or a "lawyer"...
I am Keyser Soze.
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Bagua Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:27:34pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:27:44pm |
Whoa Nellie.
If you want to see the motherlode of sheer insanity and science-hating bad craziness, just check out Twitter for #climategate.
It's pretty mind-boggling.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:27:50pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:28:35pm |
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:28:46pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:29:19pm |
re: #249 In Excess
It was a slam dunk!
But instead of charging “dog whistle” racism and walking away, why don't you explain the racist connection that is lost on some of us since the three monkeys in the ad represent Congress, the Courts and the Media - not Obama.
Why would I waste my time trying to explain that to you?
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:30:01pm |
re: #255 Walter L. Newton
I'm a meat popsicle.
re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am Keyser Soze.
I am the walrus.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:30:01pm |
re: #215 soxfan4life
Not to defend the pictures, but with the lefts cries of racism over every criticism of President Obama it starts to be like the boy crying wolf. Now when real racism rears its ugly head we aren't fazed by the accusations. That being said it is still wrong.
And it's an excellent opportunity to take the high road. Yes they are putting monkeys there intentionally, but yes Bush was also compared to a monkey. To now say that it's racist (which it is) gives ammunition to them. So the right thing to do is say, well, I guess some people compare presidents to monkeys. Sorta like the GAZE topic earlier this thread. My opinion.
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Bagua Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:30:22pm |
re: #250 Jimmah
Witch-doctors, monkeys - what's next - gollywogs? [...]
Surely yer not insinuating there is a racist connotation to gollywogs?
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:30:28pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:31:19pm |
re: #216 Sharmuta
You're up to 24 grandkids now?
Thanks for remembering.
Now, am I going to NY for the bris? My kids already sent me a ticket to NY for my birthday, which is in 2 weeks, so, not going to the bris.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:31:38pm |
re: #248 Gang of One
C'mon! That was my best Jackie Mason!
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akarra Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:31:43pm |
re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Stupid, stupid people.
Yeah. There's not much more that needs to be said. I just hope a few on the Right who don't want to be associated with this stuff speak up; it's not like the Washington Times is necessary for an active, healthy opposition. It should be attacked for running this ad and a number of silly and outrageous articles that fall far short of the standard required for journalism.
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:31:46pm |
re: #225 SixDegrees
It does matter. Because whatever solution is sought is ultimately going to be implemented through the political process. And politics is dominated by what constituents think.
Weather, on the other hand, doesn't give a crap about what anyone's constituents think.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:31:55pm |
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:32:19pm |
re: #265 Capitalist Tool
Ne'er mind. Google is my friend.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:32:27pm |
Tory Muslim peer pelted with eggs:
Conservative peer Baroness Warsi of Dewsbury, named Britain's most powerful Muslim woman, has been pelted with eggs during a visit to Luton.
Baroness Warsi was taking part in a walkabout in the predominantly Muslim Bury Park area of Luton when she was confronted by a group of protesters.
The male protesters accused her of not being a proper Muslim and supporting the death of Muslims in Afghanistan.
continued :
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
PS : Baroness Warsi also gave BNP leader Nick Griffin a good hiding on that edition of Question Time. A good egg, as they say here.
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Gang of One Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:33:04pm |
re: #270 Abu Al-Poopypants
Ich bin ein jelly doughnut.
Why do I find that funny? Isn't a Berliner also some sort of pastry? Where's CAto?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:34:10pm |
Here's a "conservative" on Twitter who's using that picture of Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose as his personal image:
[Link: twitter.com...]
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:34:23pm |
re: #262 Bagua
Surely yer not insinuating there is a racist connotation to gollywogs?
It all depends on whether they were actual African golliwogs, apparently. ///
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:34:38pm |
re: #273 Gang of One
Why do I find that funny? Isn't a Berliner also some sort of pastry? Where's CAto?
He's hiding in the fridge, waiting for Peter Sellers to open the door.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:34:40pm |
re: #273 Gang of One
Why do I find that funny? Isn't a Berliner also some sort of pastry? Where's CAto?
That is right... the Germans made a lot of jokes about Pres. Kennedy''s famous line.
Abu Al- Poopypants is a cultural swashbuckler.
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sagehen Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:35:36pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:35:52pm |
If you follow the #tcot group on Twitter ("Top Conservatives On Twitter"), I'd estimate that about 10% of the tweets contain open racism.
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webevintage Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:36:09pm |
More information via the Arkansas Times on Huckabee:
[Link: www.firstthings.com...]
[Link: www.arktimes.com...]
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:36:16pm |
re: #221 Charles
The other weird thing about the climate threads is how many of the most hardcore deniers claim to be "scientists."
And again, the similarity with the creationist threads is absolutely striking.
Naturally. Since their own belief system is founded on authority, that of scripture and anointed leaders, they assume that all other belief systems are similarly based. Their first impulse in addressing such a system is therefore to try to establish their own authority within that system.
They do not realize that science is not based on authority.
Suppose, for example, that researchers were to find and authenticate a letter in which Darwin declared his belief that the Moon really is made of green cheese. Creationists would no doubt caper and gibber in orgasmic delight, but it would not alter the validity of Darwin's evolutionary findings, let alone that of all the findings since.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:36:27pm |
re: #277 Capitalist Tool
Abu Al- Poopypants is a cultural swashbuckler.
I am? Wow. Who knew? Is that a good thing?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:36:52pm |
re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Koo Koo Ka Choo!
Mrs. Robinson,
Jesus loves you more than you will know.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:37:31pm |
re: #279 Charles
I always considered myself a conservative, but if they want to align themselves with racists, I'm out in the cold.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:38:03pm |
re: #284 soxfan4life
I'm right here beside ya.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:38:07pm |
re: #282 Abu Al-Poopypants
I am? Wow. Who knew? Is that a good thing?
slicin' and dicin' his way through the pop- cultural tidbits of trivia from even days of yore...
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:38:59pm |
re: #212 Alouette
My oldest daughter in NY just had a baby boy! Her 7th kid.
Doing her bit to fight off the demographic doom-and-gloomers.
Congratulations and best wishes all around.
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wrenchwench Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:39:24pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:39:26pm |
re: #285 In Excess
That's enough from you. Get off my website.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:39:44pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:39:52pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:40:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:41:37pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:41:42pm |
Step 1. Make Stupid Comment
Step 2. Piss off blog host
Step 3. Rest In World Peace
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:42:21pm |
re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I feel a draft.
I don't think Obama's gonna escalate the Afghan campaign THAT much.
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Sharmuta Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:42:34pm |
I love this time of year: Wrong Number Miracle
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:43:02pm |
For "In Excess" : play him off, kitty:
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cliffster Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:43:22pm |
re: #294 wrenchwench
Oops, quoted the deleted. Sorry, Stinky.
Off it goes, to talk about "All I did was disagree with Charles, and he banned me"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:43:37pm |
re: #259 Capitalist Tool
What is "dog whistle racism"?
You've been here since 2004 and you don't know? Wow.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:43:54pm |
I can understand saying that the "Three wise monekys" aren't inherently racist. I can even, grudgingly, accept it not might be racist when aimed at Obama in some circumstances.
But when paired with the birth certificate 'controversy' that claims he was really born in Kenya? Please.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:44:44pm |
re: #272 Jimmah
Tory Muslim peer pelted with eggs:
continued :[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
PS : Baroness Warsi also gave BNP leader Nick Griffin a good hiding on that edition of Question Time. A good egg, as they say here.
Oh, good Lord. Any arrests made?
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akarra Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:44:46pm |
re: #279 Charles
If you follow the #tcot group on Twitter ("Top Conservatives On Twitter"), I'd estimate that about 10% of the tweets contain open racism.
They're pretty extreme. What I also find notable is the very large number of followers people who engage in mindless Obama-bashing all the time have. There's an enormous number of tweets devoted to spreading hate, anger, and finding like-"minded" people to gripe with. I'm not talking about people that might discuss an article from a conservative point of view or link to intelligent things to read: reading seems to have been replaced by ranting.
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DaddyG Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:44:59pm |
re: #304 Obdicut
I can understand saying that the "Three wise monekys" aren't inherently racist. I can even, grudgingly, accept it not might be racist when aimed at Obama in some circumstances.
But when paired with the birth certificate 'controversy' that claims he was really born in Kenya? Please.
The only thing I can't decide is if they are intentionally that crass or just plaon stupid and tone deaf.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:46:33pm |
re: #306 akarra
They're pretty extreme. What I also find notable is the very large number of followers people who engage in mindless Obama-bashing all the time have. There's an enormous number of tweets devoted to spreading hate, anger, and finding like-"minded" people to gripe with. I'm not talking about people that might discuss an article from a conservative point of view or link to intelligent things to read: reading seems to have been replaced by ranting.
Twitter is sort of tailor made for that stuff, really short, angry bites of vitriol that get retweeted and spread around like a virus.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:46:45pm |
re: #307 DaddyG
The only thing I can't decide is if they are intentionally that crass or just plaon stupid and tone deaf.
I think to some it is just a payback for how Bush was treated. Such a shame that they let their blind hatred rule over any sense they might have.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:46:49pm |
re: #307 DaddyG
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally racist. The Washington Times has a history of this sort of thing.
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MandyManners Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:47:11pm |
re: #284 soxfan4life
I always considered myself a conservative, but if they want to align themselves with racists, I'm out in the cold.
I'm a Conservative but I'm not racist. Neither implies the other.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:47:49pm |
re: #272 Jimmah
Tory Muslim peer pelted with eggs:
continued :
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
PS : Baroness Warsi also gave BNP leader Nick Griffin a good hiding on that edition of Question Time. A good egg, as they say here.
What those egg-tossing yahoos don't understand is that if they won't be governed or represented by the likes of the Baroness, then they're unlikely to be governed or represented by anyone at all in Britain.
These morons should be doing back handsprings and scattering rose petals before her.
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tokyobk Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:47:59pm |
This one goes right up to the line, imo.
I gave a talk last year about the e-mobile ad which featured an Obama like character and was deemed racist by many, though in that case I felt that since the character existed long before Obama (and the Japanese were pro-Obama by 87%) that it was intended as a compliment of his incredible appeal though a bad translation across cultures. Some Japanese, who use monkeys to depict themselves in caricature, however,felt imposing an American sensibility on their ads was itself the racism, that in this case a monkey was just a monkey.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:48:14pm |
re: #313 MandyManners
I'm a Conservative but I'm not racist. Neither implies the other.
Hopefully they can convey that message to the public.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:48:14pm |
re: #273 Gang of One
Why do I find that funny? Isn't a Berliner also some sort of pastry? Where's CAto?
Yes, a Berliner is also a doughnut. An Amerikaner is one of those cookies that's frosted half chocolate, half white sugar frosting.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:48:26pm |
re: #312 Killgore Trout
Thanks for your nic, by the way. The Washington Post had a crossword puzzle clue "Kilgore ___".
I thought of you.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:48:35pm |
re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, good Lord. Any arrests made?
The article just says she continued her walkabout with a police escort, so I'm assuming 'no'.
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MandyManners Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:49:18pm |
re: #316 soxfan4life
Hopefully they can convey that message to the public.
Why can't you spread the message, too?
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William of Orange Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:49:55pm |
Did I miss that border correction where Hawaii was handed over to the Brits?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:50:01pm |
re: #319 Jimmah
The article just says she continued her walkabout with a police escort, so I'm assuming 'no'.
Disgraceful. If the police can't or won't protect a Muslim peer from Muslim fanatics, then they can't or won't protect anyone from anything.
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soxfan4life Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:50:28pm |
re: #320 MandyManners
Why can't you spread the message, too?
I sure can, but when the National figures won't distance themselves from it, it is like pissing against the tide.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:50:52pm |
re: #314 Guanxi88
These morons should be doing back handsprings and scattering rose petals before her.
She's female. That's an unforgivable state for many people.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:50:55pm |
re: #321 William of Orange
Did I miss that border correction where Hawaii was handed over to the Brits?
Sandwich Isles.
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idioma Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:50:56pm |
re: #5 brookly red
the ad may be f'ed up but the 3 monkeys racist? I don't see it.
How many fingers am I holding up?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:51:27pm |
re: #314 Guanxi88
What those egg-tossing yahoos don't understand is that if they won't be governed or represented by the likes of the Baroness, then they're unlikely to be governed or represented by anyone at all in Britain.
Did Baroness Warsi show up in a HISS Tank? :D
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:52:37pm |
re: #324 Obdicut
She's female. That's an unforgivable state for many people.
Idiots, these people. For crying out loud, if they had any interest other than hooliganism, they'd be trying to persuade her to their position, to leverage her clout and influence for their own purposes.
But, no. In the finest traditions of morons the world over, they throw eggs at someone who could be very helpful to them.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:53:10pm |
SPSC and Beitar Jerusalem: same coin, different sides
The gang of fools known as the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, in unfortunate and baffling cooperation with the Scottish Trades Union Congress, is planning a protest when the HaPoel Tel Aviv soccer club plays Glasgow Celtic on Wednesday December 2.
(snip)
If it were the disgusting, deliberately Arab-free Beitar (the SPSC’s mirror image) that was playing in Glasgow, I’d be inclined to support a protest. But HaPoel Tel Aviv? A club with a leftwing tradition (HaPoel means “the worker”) and an Arab captain? A club which promotes– through its Mifalot project– mixed childrens’ soccer teams of “Jewish-Israelis, Arab-Israelis, Palestinians, Bedouins, Druze, Christians, Refugees, Ethiopian Immigrants, and Kibbutz children”?
Who is serious about peace and reconciliation between Jews and Arabs in the Middle East and who is interested only in continued conflict and hatred?
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:53:10pm |
On the #tcot thread at Twitter, I've watched today as at least a thousand people have repeated the absolutely FALSE claim that the CRU destroyed data. It's like watching people shooting themselves up with dirty needles full of dishonesty.
Really bad craziness.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:54:03pm |
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:54:48pm |
re: #272 Jimmah
Tory Muslim peer pelted with eggs:
continued :
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
PS : Baroness Warsi also gave BNP leader Nick Griffin a good hiding on that edition of Question Time. A good egg, as they say here.
The fakers were asking her if she "represented" Sharia.
I liked what she had to say in the end. Well spoken.
Kudos to Baroness Warsi of Dewsbury.
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William of Orange Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:55:39pm |
To be a bit balanced; GWB was also often portrayed as a monkey.
Granted, it seems comparing a black person to a monkey is more racist than comparing them to white people.
To the left GWB was more or less seen as a monkey based on merits.
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bosforus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:56:03pm |
Washington Times Runs Birther Ad, With Monkeys
Is it really all that hard to make an analogy without using a monkey? No. It isn't difficult at all. Stupid, racist idiots.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:56:39pm |
re: #330 Charles
On the #tcot thread at Twitter, I've watched today as at least a thousand people have repeated the absolutely FALSE claim that the CRU destroyed data. It's like watching people shooting themselves up with dirty needles full of dishonesty.
Really bad craziness.
What did they do with the data. I keep hearing the same thing. I have been trying to find a link to a statement by them or something, but all I can find is articles in the typical anti-AGW papers.
DO you have something, or an quick answer?
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tokyobk Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:56:51pm |
re: #314 Guanxi88
What those egg-tossing yahoos don't understand is that if they won't be governed or represented by the likes of the Baroness, then they're unlikely to be governed or represented by anyone at all in Britain.
These morons should be doing back handsprings and scattering rose petals before her.
Amazing video. Shows exactly what the world is up against, what the kind decent law abiding Muslims are up against. Her attackers, who would not let her speak asked her -- "you're going to tell us about Islam?"
Until she can and has backing there will be a problem.
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MandyManners Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:57:46pm |
re: #323 soxfan4life
I sure can, but when the National figures won't distance themselves from it, it is like pissing against the tide.
Michael Steele is part of it? Rudy? Fred Thompson? Trent Lott?
They need to step up.
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MandyManners Mon, Nov 30, 2009 2:59:48pm |
re: #334 William of Orange
To be a bit balanced; GWB was also often portrayed as a monkey.
Granted, it seems comparing a black person to a monkey is more racist than comparing them to white people.
To the left GWB was more or less seen as a monkey based on merits.
SEEMS?!
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:00:14pm |
re: #328 Guanxi88
Idiots, these people. For crying out loud, if they had any interest other than hooliganism, they'd be trying to persuade her to their position, to leverage her clout and influence for their own purposes.
But, no. In the finest traditions of morons the world over, they throw eggs at someone who could be very helpful to them.
An old story. Fundies, waiting for a theocracy that will never come, looking to temporarily relieve their chronic butthurt by throwing tantrums. And no surprise either that it's a woman that drives them to boiling point.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:01:21pm |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
What did they do with the data. I keep hearing the same thing. I have been trying to find a link to a statement by them or something, but all I can find is articles in the typical anti-AGW papers.
DO you have something, or an quick answer?
The CRU discarded about 5% of the raw data from ONE NOAA dataset after correlating and adjusting the data. This happened almost 30 years ago in the 1980s when a 10MB hard drive was (very expensive) state of the art, and they didn't have the means to archive the data.
Nothing was "destroyed." The NOAA still has the raw data.
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Stormy Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:01:25pm |
re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Koo Koo Ka Choo!
Having played some Beatles Rock Band lately, I found out that it is actually, "goo goo g'joob" (whatever that means!)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:02:49pm |
re: #323 soxfan4life
I sure can, but when the National figures won't distance themselves from it, it is like pissing against the tide.
That's why some of my conservative friends stopped voting Republican!
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Ojoe Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:03:03pm |
This racism by image is no good. It is just no good. now the debate will shift away from what ought to be discussed and remembered. Such as: Typical white person. Bitter. Clinging to guns and religion. And so forth. I have not forgotten how I have been insulted. And now these images garner sympathy for someone I feel no sympathy for.
I cannot, cannot stand politics.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:04:04pm |
re: #341 Charles
The CRU discarded about 5% of the raw data from ONE NOAA dataset after correlating and adjusting the data. This happened in the 1980s when a 10MB hard drive was (very expensive) state of the art, and they didn't have the means to archive the data.
Nothing was "destroyed." The NOAA still has the raw data.
Got it.
So that original raw dataset that NOAA has is still available from NOAA if requested (or paid for, or whatever, I don't know how that works)?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:04:50pm |
re: #342 Stormy
Having played some Beatles Rock Band lately, I found out that it is actually, "goo goo g'joob" (whatever that means!)
That Love mashup of Tomorrow Never Knows/Within You Without You in Beatles RB is a total blast to play on expert drums :D
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recusancy Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:05:02pm |
re: #344 Ojoe
This racism by image is no good. It is just no good. now the debate will shift away from what ought to be discussed and remembered. Such as: Typical white person. Bitter. Clinging to guns and religion. And so forth. I have not forgotten how I have been insulted. And now these images garner sympathy for someone I feel no sympathy for.
I cannot, cannot stand politics.
Serious question: If you can't stand politics why hang out at a political blog?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:06:22pm |
re: #344 Ojoe
This racism by image is no good. It is just no good. now the debate will shift away from what ought to be discussed and remembered. Such as: Typical white person. Bitter. Clinging to guns and religion. And so forth. I have not forgotten how I have been insulted. And now these images garner sympathy for someone I feel no sympathy for.
I cannot, cannot stand politics.
Do I smell tu quoque brewing? "Typical white person" is not remotely on the same level as the screaming bonkers racism coming at Obama.
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:07:16pm |
Search results for NOAA.: data
83 results for data out of at least 14,000,000
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:08:08pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:08:18pm |
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
Got it.
So that original raw dataset that NOAA has is still available from NOAA if requested (or paid for, or whatever, I don't know how that works)?
I may be answering my own question, now that I know the source (NOAA) and other info you gave me. It appears that this data is free on NOAA's web site, or at least some set or subset of the data. I still want to see if the original, untouched dataset is there.
There is a number of names and version of the data and I would like to find the actual name of the original dataset (anyone know).
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Ojoe Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:08:24pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:09:07pm |
re: #349 Gus 802
Search results for NOAA.: data
83 results for data out of at least 14,000,000
I'm already on it, thanks for that link. Does anyone know what the name of the original untouched dataset is called?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:09:23pm |
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
Got it.
So that original raw dataset that NOAA has is still available from NOAA if requested (or paid for, or whatever, I don't know how that works)?
Yes. I don't know if they charge a fee for it, but probably not.
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Ojoe Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:10:01pm |
re: #350 WindUpBird
It says the guy who wrote the letter was 95 years old, that probably explains the word "son".
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Randall Gross Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:11:11pm |
re: #272 Jimmah
Tory Muslim peer pelted with eggs:
continued :
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
PS : Baroness Warsi also gave BNP leader Nick Griffin a good hiding on that edition of Question Time. A good egg, as they say here.
I like how she compared the two evil ideologies, well done.
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MandyManners Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:12:00pm |
I can maybe see one use of this image which would not be racist, and that would be about his response to the protests in Iran this summer because he didn't see it, he didn't hear it and he said nothing. In short, it would be about his actions matching up with those monkeys' actions.
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albusteve Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:12:17pm |
how's your tooth doing Walter?...you seem to still be in the realm of the living
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:12:36pm |
re: #354 Charles
Yes. I don't know if they charge a fee for it, but probably not.
I see a lot of dataset on NOAA and they are free. What I am trying to dig into is which one is the original. They have a number of modified and updated datasets, so I have some research to do.
Thanks for the start.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:14:18pm |
re: #358 albusteve
how's your tooth doing Walter?...you seem to still be in the realm of the living
Well, that MASH style oral surgeon that I was complaining about last week, well, he left a bone fragment in my gum, which caused dry socket which in turn caused an infection. So, I didn't get any fitting fro my partial today, instead I got a chemical wash and pack on the tooth, antibiotics and happy pills, and I have to wait until next week for my first fitting of the partials.
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Gus Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:14:27pm |
re: #353 Walter L. Newton
I'm already on it, thanks for that link. Does anyone know what the name of the original untouched dataset is called?
Don't know. All I've been seeing is that it was from the 1980s. Nothing specific. I imagine there's similar data at NOAA if we're talking about data that may have been from the CRU alone.
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SixDegrees Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:15:05pm |
re: #354 Charles
Yes. I don't know if they charge a fee for it, but probably not.
The data itself is free; you've already paid for it with your tax dollars. If it can be downloaded directly, say via FTP, there's normally no charge; if you need it on tape, there'll be a small fee to cover materials and time, but it's next to nothing.
For what it's worth, every image ever taken by NOAA, NASA and most other non-classified, non-military satellites is likewise available free or cheap, under the same reasoning: you've already paid for it. Unfortunately, only a small fraction of existing images have been placed online, and the database interfaces for locating the image you're looking for can be downright terrifying to use. But there's slow, steady improvement in this area.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:16:14pm |
Iceweasel has just awoken from her slumber, so I'm off to raise some mayhem with her elsewhere. Later folks :)
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MandyManners Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:16:50pm |
re: #360 Walter L. Newton
Well, that MASH style oral surgeon that I was complaining about last week, well, he left a bone fragment in my gum, which caused dry socket which in turn caused an infection. So, I didn't get any fitting fro my partial today, instead I got a chemical wash and pack on the tooth, antibiotics and happy pills, and I have to wait until next week for my first fitting of the partials.
I wondered about dry socket this morning.
I'm glad things are getting worked out for you. Dental pain sucks.
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albusteve Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:18:41pm |
re: #360 Walter L. Newton
Well, that MASH style oral surgeon that I was complaining about last week, well, he left a bone fragment in my gum, which caused dry socket which in turn caused an infection. So, I didn't get any fitting fro my partial today, instead I got a chemical wash and pack on the tooth, antibiotics and happy pills, and I have to wait until next week for my first fitting of the partials.
all's well then...good
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recusancy Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:18:51pm |
re: #357 MandyManners
I can maybe see one use of this image which would not be racist, and that would be about his response to the protests in Iran this summer because he didn't see it, he didn't hear it and he said nothing. In short, it would be about his actions matching up with those monkeys' actions.
He did see it, he did hear it, and he did say something.
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JRCMYP Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:44:57pm |
re: #36 Charles
Yep.
Does anyone know when Lost starts up again? I like my conspiracy theories to be smart, at least.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:46:17pm |
re: #360 Walter L. Newton
If your stomach is still bothering you from the antibiotics, try some decent yogurt (I like local or Stoney Field Farms if local's not available) or some kefir to restore the good bacteria in your digestive tract. When my daughters on antibiotics, we go 12 oz of yogurt a day. And of course stay away from sugar.
Hope you heal soon, dental pain is quite uncomfortable.
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akarra Mon, Nov 30, 2009 3:49:25pm |
re: #310 WindUpBird
Twitter is sort of tailor made for that stuff, really short, angry bites of vitriol that get retweeted and spread around like a virus.
Yeah, agreed about Twitter. I gotta say I've found some really decent, solid people via the #tcot tag, but they don't feel the need to be vocal or rabid as some other tweeters are.
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CDRSalamander Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:22:05pm |
Ummm, dude. Those are three apes, not monkeys.
In any event - twoofers are stupid - as the add is.
Thing is - you are trying to hard to say that the classic "Hear no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" Chimps (which predate the President by, forever) are in some way racist.
That is just trying too hard - and hurts your credibility.
Stupid add? Sure. Stupid paper for running it? Sure.
Racist? No.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:29:54pm |
re: #372 CDRSalamander
Monkey is an unscientific term, which includes apes.
The rest of your post has already been addressed over and over in this thread.
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nonic Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:33:53pm |
It's actually very "Jim Crow" to call Barack Obama a "black man." Obama is bi-racial.
Declaring him to be "black" because his father was African abides by the archaic (and truly racist) "one drop rule" [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] that holds that a person can be "tainted" by any one member of his ancestry.
In the late 19th century southern states, legislatures passed Jim Crow laws to establish racial segregation. They were generally based on the idea that a person of any African ancestry would be classified as black, known as the one-drop rule. In the case of Homer Plessy, a Louisiana man of one-eighth black ancestry was prevented from sitting in a railroad car reserved for whites.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The goal of the Civil Rights movement was to create a color-blind society. Sadly, that seems to have been lost along the way.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:35:10pm |
re: #372 CDRSalamander
Ummm, dude. Those are three apes, not monkeys.
In any event - twoofers are stupid - as the add is.
Thing is - you are trying to hard to say that the classic "Hear no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" Chimps (which predate the President by, forever) are in some way racist.
That is just trying too hard - and hurts your credibility.
Stupid add? Sure. Stupid paper for running it? Sure.
Racist? No.
Hurts my credibility? If it hurts my credibility in the bigot community, I'm just fine with that.
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Lidane Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:04:47pm |
re: #78 kobra_55
I imagine them thinking, "WHAT!? A Black man is our President!? This cannot be, not in MY America! There must be some kind of mistake/cover-up here for this to have happened!"
That's the entire nirther movement in a nutshell.
They can't accept that a black man with an African name has won the presidency, so they're looking for anything they can latch on to in order to try and cast doubt on him and his legitimacy.
Never mind the fact that a United States Senator would have gone through all kinds of background checks for his security clearances, and forget all about the almost two years of intense media scrutiny that Obama was under while he ran for office. These Mensa candidates are convinced that there's evidence out there that will get Obama out of the White House. It's ridiculous.
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oneisnotprime Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:05:39pm |
Was all the "Bush Chimp" stuff racist ([Link: www.bushorchimp.com...] or did monkeys become racist on 1/20/09?
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Lidane Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:06:29pm |
re: #374 nonic
It's actually very "Jim Crow" to call Barack Obama a "black man."
Except that President Obama self-identifies as a black man, and has said so publicly many times.
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Kruk Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:08:26pm |
re: #321 William of Orange
Did I miss that border correction where Hawaii was handed over to the Brits?
Yep, we didn't want to alarm the Rebel Colonies till our man was in office. All your State now belong to us. Muaahahaha!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:10:17pm |
re: #377 oneisnotprime
More deliberate obtuseness.
Are you really going to try to pretend you don't understand the difference between the Bush-chimp pictures and comparing a black man to a monkey?
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oneisnotprime Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:15:36pm |
re: #380 Charles
Where did they "compar[e] a black man to a monkey?" (If you want to see what comparing someone to a monkey looks like, click the link I provided.)
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tradewind Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:20:23pm |
They have a lot of room to talk about Third World Men...
They're freaking Moonies.
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tradewind Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:24:56pm |
re: #374 nonic
It's actually very "Jim Crow" to call Barack Obama a "black man."
...That's actually very ridiculous.
Obama used his ethnicity as an ace during his campaign, playing it as a high or low card, depending on what was needed where.
And he does self-refer as ' a black man '.
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nonic Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:29:33pm |
re: #378 Lidane
Except that President Obama self-identifies as a black man, and has said so publicly many times.
If so, I find that unfortunate. It would be more conducive to the desired post-racial, color-blind society if our first bi-racial president did not "choose sides" and reject his white heritage. 'Tis a pity.
What better way could there be to stop perceived or attempted racism in its tracks that to not give it ground? To say, I'm white like you and black like you -- I'm American without a hyphen.
I have bi-racial grandchildren. We don't consider them one or another race. We consider them family.
I guess Obama would have had political purpose to identify himself one race over another -- but that also leaves the door open to... no, it even invites ...mischief and stupidity.
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nonic Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:35:01pm |
re: #384 tradewind
...Obama used his ethnicity as an ace during his campaign, playing it as a high or low card, depending on what was needed where.
Wow. Did McCain run as the "white" candidate?
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Lidane Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:37:27pm |
re: #385 nonic
If so, I find that unfortunate.
That's not for you to decide. Although he is a bi-racial man, he made a conscious, personal choice to self-identify as a black man long before he ever entered politics. It was his decision, and should be respected.
Also, he has never denied his white family. After all, he was raised by them. However, he made a decision as to what felt right for him, and that meant calling himself black.
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nonic Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:46:41pm |
re: #387 Lidane
That's not for you to decide. Although he is a bi-racial man, he made a conscious, personal choice to self-identify as a black man long before he ever entered politics. It was his decision, and should be respected.
Also, he has never denied his white family. After all, he was raised by them. However, he made a decision as to what felt right for him, and that meant calling himself black.
Excuse me. But "I find it unfortunate" that our first bi-racial president chose not to further a post-racial, color-blind society. That is MY personal opinion. It has nothing to do with Barack Obama's choices for political expendiency. You may not agree with my opinion as to what would be better for our society. But it IS, in fact, for me to decide what my opinion is.
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miclaine Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:55:40pm |
Charles,
I have been thinking about this since you posted it this afternoon as I did not want to jump to a conclusion. I just do not see it the same way and I respectfully disagree with the racial inference.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:57:02pm |
We're seeing exactly how racists flourish and survive in modern America in this thread -- by keeping their racism ambiguous enough that lots of people will make excuses for it and look the other way.
Sad.
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Lidane Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:58:57pm |
re: #388 nonic
a post-racial, color-blind society.
There is no such thing as a post-racial, color-blind society. How can President Obama be expected to advance something that doesn't exist anywhere in the world?
Post-racial and color-blind both imply that somehow, issues and biases related to color and race magically disappeared once minorities got the vote, schools and public places were desegregated, the slaves were freed, and Dr. King gave his "I Have a Dream" speech. That's wishful thinking.
There also seems to be this sort of idea among some folks on both the left and the right that just because President Obama got elected, somehow that means that we've moved on past issues of race in this country. We haven't, as this ad clearly shows, and as the nirther movement makes abundantly clear. We still have a long, long way to go as a society. Demanding that the President somehow exist outside of all that by not choosing a personal identity for himself is absurd.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:14:07pm |
re: #388 nonic
Excuse me. But "I find it unfortunate" that our first bi-racial president chose not to further a post-racial, color-blind society. That is MY personal opinion. It has nothing to do with Barack Obama's choices for political expendiency. You may not agree with my opinion as to what would be better for our society. But it IS, in fact, for me to decide what my opinion is.
If you actually believe the things you're saying on this blog about race, your naïveté could power a small town.
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JoyousMN Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:20:21pm |
re: #385 nonic
Nonic,
Did you watch his speech on race in Philly? He addressed this issue quite thoroughly. Also in his book.
My very short and so not nearly as nuanced take is that in our country, in the time he grew up, he WAS a black man--not bi-racial. His skin color determined that. We are NOW talking about people as bi-racial, but we certainly were not in the 60-70's. I'm Obama's age, I remember that time well.
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William of Orange Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:26:39pm |
re: #339 MandyManners
SEEMS?!
Sorry about that. English is not my mother tongue and that was a bad choice of words on my part. I'm doing my best, you know.
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William of Orange Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:28:53pm |
re: #372 CDRSalamander
Ummm, dude. Those are three apes, not monkeys.
In any event - twoofers are stupid - as the add is.
Thing is - you are trying to hard to say that the classic "Hear no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" Chimps (which predate the President by, forever) are in some way racist.
That is just trying too hard - and hurts your credibility.
Stupid add? Sure. Stupid paper for running it? Sure.
Racist? No.
I'm sure the was a "See no evil" somewhere inthere...
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nonic Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:58:02pm |
#395 JoyousMN
I did not see the Philly speech and I did not read his book. I don't own a TV, so I never saw any of the speeches, townhalls, or pundits. My opinions re Obama were strictly based on policy issues as reported in the MSM.
I'm older than Obama. I remember the Civil Rights movement and the goal of people judging people based on their character, talent, skills, experience, values, good will, etc. -- not on their race.
I think there were a lot of people like me, who were judging Obama IN TOTAL DISREGARD OF his race. Some of us voted for him on that basis. Some voted against him on that basis.
But that was not much allowed. As you must recall, there was (and to somoe extent still is) a popular belief that if you were (are) not an Obama supporter, you must be a racist.
I think Obama COULD HAVE quashed a lot of that and helped move us toward a post-racial national political society. But he did not.
#393 Lidane
There is no such thing as a post-racial, color-blind society. How can President Obama be expected to advance something that doesn't exist anywhere in the world?
Of course "post-racial, color-blind" exists. Is everybody in your work place the same race? Are all of your child's teachers and classmates the same race? Is no one in your church or other community organization of a different race? When you go to the stores, are all the clerks and customers the same color? Is there NO ONE in your neighborhood different?
I'm going to guess that there ARE people in everyone's everyday life who are of different races, cultures, and religions. And, lo and behold, don't we all get along in those circles.
The difference between that and national politics is that at the community level, people TRY to get along and no one is looking to amass political clout through grievance mongering or manipulate others through make-believe historical guilt.
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Lidane Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:41:55pm |
re: #398 nonic
Of course "post-racial, color-blind" exists.
Your examples don't add up to a "post-racial, color blind" anything. They just add up to a desegregated society where people are most often in mixed company, whether it's at school, or work, or church, or out and about in their daily lives.
The terms "post-racial" and "color blind" imply something else that just does not exist in this country or anywhere else in the world. They refer to a society where racial issues are all in the past, and where color is no longer noticed or focused on by people.
We all notice racial and color differences to varying degrees in our daily lives, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. There are still very real issues and biases between people of different races, and sometimes even among people of the same race or ethnicity who happen to have different skin colors. Until those patterns change, there won't be a post-racial or color blind anything in the world, and expecting President Obama to act like he's above that reality by placing himself outside of any self-identification is ridiculous.
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Flavia Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:09:24pm |
re: #29 rwdflynavy
The ad is ridiculous of course. I also don't see the three monkeys as racist. The see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil thing has been around a long time.
The monkeys don't represent Obama, just the 3 institutions supposedly ignoring his nirth certficate.
I agree with you in principle - but I would not put it past them to be hiding behind that sentiment. As in "This is what we will say when they accuse us of racism."
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