"Because I am a scorpion."

“I come from a very good Christian family and I was raised much better than my actions speak,” Clemmons claimed.

I'm convinced.

Using religion as a justification to grant clemency is just wrong. Clemency is supposed to be there to correct injustices that invariably occur in an imperfect system. When Huckleberry did this, he did real damage to that check against the judicial system.

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Because I am a scorpion."

"It's my nature to sting."

Well!
I was one who thought perhaps that was a conclusion reached by jumping - but looks like I was wrong!

A jailhouse conversion is a terrible reason to grant a pardon or commute a sentence, for lots of reasons, including the fact that convicts lie.

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See trust works! Trust a person to be true to their nature.

He said his mother’s death changed his heart, because he now had to live with the knowledge that after all he had put her through he had missed an opportunity to make her proud of him before she passed away.

Killing 4 cops is not exactly how to make one's mother proud.

I am certainly glad I will never have to make life or death decisions.

I'm a sucker.

Fortunately? I know it.

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am certainly glad I will never have to make life or death decisions.

I'm a sucker.

Fortunately? I know it.

FBV - I'm with ya.

re: #5 reine.de.tout

Hiya Toots!

If a 17 year old youth gets a 100 year sentence for robbery in the deep south is there a wrong that needs to be addressed? I think so.

re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya Toots!

hiya FBV!

I just heard my mattress and pillow calling me. G'night Elizabeth!

There's a lot of Da'wa in US prisons, and many Christian folk buy into the notion that Allah = G-d.

We're in deep trouble with respect to our prison systems.

re: #11 kilroy

If a 17 year old youth gets a 100 year sentence for robbery in the deep south is there a wrong that needs to be addressed? I think so.

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the person being sentenced. If they've been in trouble before and are part of a gang, then I'd honestly say that the sentence may be appropriate. Call it a preemptive strike to get rid of a criminal for good.

As part of a class project we interviewed "reformed" sex offenders at a halfway house. They all told the story about how they have seen the error of their way and how this time they were not going to re offend. 4 of the five offenders found Jesus( I did not know he was missing) while serving time. They funny part is they all had the same story about conversion or whatever. Finding religion is not a reason to parole a convict. That should be the first red flag that they are saying what they think people want hear.

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just heard my mattress and pillow calling me. G'night Elizabeth!

Good night

Blog Wars: Robert Spencer Goes Postal on Charles Johnson

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just heard my mattress and pillow calling me. G'night Elizabeth!

G'nite John-Boy

re: #11 kilroy

If a 17 year old youth gets a 100 year sentence for robbery in the deep south is there a wrong that needs to be addressed? I think so.

Did he get 100 years? I thought it was 60. Read this, and tell me there wasn't something seriously wrong with this guy:

News accounts out of Arkansas offer a confusing — and, at times, conflicting — description of Clemmons' criminal history and prison time.

In 1990, Clemmons, then 18, was sentenced in Arkansas to 60 years in prison for burglary and theft of property, according to a news account in Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Newspaper stories describe a series of disturbing incidents involving Clemmons while he was being tried in Arkansas on various charges.

During one trial, Clemmons was shackled in leg irons and seated next to a uniformed officer. The presiding judge ordered the extra security because he felt Clemmons had threatened him, court records show.

Another time, Clemmons hid a hinge in his sock, and was accused of intending to use it as a weapon. Yet another time, Clemmons took a lock from a holding cell, and threw it toward the bailiff. He missed and instead hit Clemmons' mother, who had come to bring him street clothes, according to records and published reports.

On another occasion, Clemmons had reached for a guard's pistol during transport to the courtroom.

When Clemmons received the 60-year sentence, he was already serving 48 years on five felony convictions and facing up to 95 more years on charges of robbery, theft of property and possessing a handgun on school property. Records from Clemmons' sentencing described him as 5-foot-7 and 108 pounds. The crimes were committed when he was 17.

Clemmons served 11 years before being released.

re: #11 kilroy

If a 17 year old youth gets a 100 year sentence for robbery in the deep south is there a wrong that needs to be addressed? I think so.

His sentence was based upon eight felony charges.

re: #20 reine.de.tout

You can not forgive, nor commute "base nature".

Too funny!
The pictured ad is for an "autographed copy" of Mike Huckabee's book "Do the right thing".

It's hard to eat my salad listening to Dennis Miller.. He says we should punish the White House crashers by making them live in a house this summer with the Balloon boy family and Octomom...I'd watch that show!

Almost everyone in prison is innocent and has found G-d.
Just ask them.
/

re: #11 kilroy

If a 17 year old youth gets a 100 year sentence for robbery in the deep south is there a wrong that needs to be addressed? I think so.

In the abstract, I'd have to agree with that statement. However, there appear to have been extenuating circumstances that convinced the prosecutor and the judge to ask for and impose such a sentence. Seeing that Clemmons was capable of extraordinarily violent crimes aside from killing 4 cops, his original 100 year lockup appears appears quite justified in retrospect.

re: #18 Charles

Blog Wars: Robert Spencer Goes Postal on Charles Johnson

Is he upset about something?

re: #24 HoosierHoops

That's what we could put on KSM's TV! We've got his punishment!

re: #24 HoosierHoops

It's hard to eat my salad listening to Dennis Miller.. He says we should punish the White House crashers by making them live in a house this summer with the Balloon boy family and Octomom...I'd watch that show!

I'd pay a lot of money NOT to watch that.

Here's the problem with prayer: It doesn't actually tell you anything you didn't already know.

re: #24 HoosierHoops

It's hard to eat my salad listening to Dennis Miller.. He says we should punish the White House crashers by making them live in a house this summer with the Balloon boy family and Octomom...I'd watch that show!

Are you mad? Think of the children! Exposure to that much Bad Craziness can cause permanent brain damage. It's as bad as watching Glen Beck every day!

re: #27 Bagua

He's upset about all the frenzied hysterical hating that we do here every day.
...
In bed.

re: #32 jaunte

He's upset about all the frenzied hysterical hating that we do here every day.
...
In bed.

Perhaps he should write us a letter? Share his feelings with the group.

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

I'd pay a lot of money NOT to watch that.

Also, I'd pay a lot of money NOT to watch Steven Seagal's "Lawman" reality series.
Which I just watched, just to see.
B-O-R-I-N-G. And unintentionally funny (it's supposed to be a serious show).

Seems like he did 11 years hard time for robbery--without clemency he'd do another 50 or 60 years.Nobody knew he'd be a cop killer 9 years later.I think the system hammered him pretty hard.
In Seattle he wouldn't have done 90 days.

re: #24 HoosierHoops

It's hard to eat my salad listening to Dennis Miller.. He says we should punish the White House crashers by making them live in a house this summer with the Balloon boy family and Octomom...I'd watch that show!

It would be a crime against the children (all 17 of them) to do a stunt like that. The parents on the other hand would quite deserve it!

re: #34 reine.de.tout

Steven Segal has only 1 fan left...
himself!

re: #34 reine.de.tout

He's no Dog the Bounty Hunter!

re: #38 jaunte

He's no Dog the Bounty Hunter!

But he does know his guns. His carry weapon is a customized M911A1.

re: #38 jaunte

He's no Dog the Bounty Hunter!

(shhh! watching Dog is my secret vice!)

re: #40 reine.de.tout

(2,414 now online...)

Da debbil made me buy this dress.

re: #41 jaunte

(2,414 now online...)

(crap!)

re: #30 idioma

That would be the problem with ego. Rather than prayer.

Heh totally saw clemency and then that his last name was Clemmons. Irony?

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

An interesting phrase. My home church pastor used that very fable to illustrate a major point just this past Sunday.

re: #44 Rightwingconspirator

That would be the problem with ego. Rather than prayer.

Eggs-zackly!

re: #18 Charles

Great article there. the foam at the mouth thing really hurts Spencer.

What goes around comes around, since his advisor (from the previous thread) appears to have been told by God to quit.

“My departure was with a heavy heart but was done after serious prayer and consideration,”

Not much point in mentioning the serious prayer if nothing was heard, is there?/

re: #40 reine.de.tout

(shhh! watching Dog is my secret vice!)

Mine too. I'm watching it right now.

Good night, all!
Can't wait to see what tomorrow brings us.

re: #47 reine.de.tout

I'm working this in two threads. Whew!

re: #51 reine.de.tout

Sleep well!

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Mine too. I'm watching it right now.

DF, are you serious?
I thought I was the only idiot who watched . . .

re: #30 idioma

Here's the problem with prayer: It doesn't actually tell you anything you didn't already know.

I liked this article on prayer I read recently.

re: #54 reine.de.tout

DF, are you serious?
I thought I was the only idiot who watched . . .

Oh, I'm an idiot too. Been one for as long as the show's been on.

re: #18 Charles

Blog Wars: Robert Spencer Goes Postal on Charles Johnson

This linked piece is an interesting counterpoint to Spencer's main theme:

Mark R. Cohen, a professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, is arguably considered to be the world’s leading scholar of Jews living in the Middle Ages under Islamic rule. He decided to write a book that contrasted the treatment of Jews living in the Islamic Orient with their counterparts in the Christian West. This book, Under Crescent and Cross, is the first of its kind, as it analytically compares the treatment of Jewish dhimmis (pejoratively called dhimmitude by ideologues) with that of the Perpetua Servitudo (Perpetual Servitude) of Jewish infidels. Cohen’s magnum opus is remarkably balanced, neutral, and analytical: it rejects both myth and counter-myth, but concludes that while dhimmis were certainly not living under any sort of interfaith utopia, they did have better living conditions than nonbelievers in the Christian West.
[Link: www.loonwatch.com...]

re: #54 reine.de.tout

DF, are you serious?
I thought I was the only idiot who watched . . .

Yep I'm serious. I also came across a truly nasty site while on troll watch. How do I post a google cache again?

Huckabee is basically a republican Jimmy Carter variant... the kind of guy who would be awesome building houses for old people. However, you don't want him running anything important.

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Yep I'm serious. I also came across a truly nasty site while on troll watch. How do I post a google cache again?

Never mind. I'm not even going to post a cache link to the militia filth I found,

re: #57 jaunte

Thanks for the loonwatch link. I'm saving that. Already learned a few things just glancing at it momentarily. I love how I've learned so much just from the links you guys provide.

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Yep I'm serious. I also came across a truly nasty site while on troll watch. How do I post a google cache again?

I've gotten all my friends hooked on Dog. Such an excellent show.

My initial speculation, when I first heard Clemmons was freed by Huckabee, was that he was a jailhouse convert. When I saw this closing to his letter asking for a 'time cut' (not even clemency), my suspicion was confirmed:

[Link: i96.photobucket.com...]

OT:

The Times has published an article that supports this blogs contention that the CRU email hack was aimed to maximise harm to Copenhagen summit.

E-mails alleged to undermine climate change science were held back for weeks after being stolen so that their release would cause maximum damage to the Copenhagen climate conference, according to a source close to the investigation of the theft.

Though their opinion on the import of the leak is different

Science Fictions

Scientists must resist the urge to become partisan in their work. Whatever one thinks of climate change, the leaked University of East Anglia e-mails are a scandal

It is good to know at least some of their hacks are reading LGF

re: #59 saik0max0r
Sort of a subdued carnival barker.

re: #64 Bagua

OT:

The Times has published an article that supports this blogs contention that the CRU email hack was aimed to maximise harm to Copenhagen summit.

It is good to know at least some of their hacks are reading LGF

Well, one must remember to separate the news pages from the opinion pages. The Times of London has great news pages, but they are often in error on the opinion pages when AGW is the issue,

Ot:

James Hansen has endorsed my position.

Climate scientist James Hansen hopes summit will fail

A leading scientist acclaimed as the grandfather of global warming has denounced the Copenhagen summit on climate change next week as a farce.

Heh, he really should ask my permission before quoting my posts here.

One possibility: Huckabee is a fanatical fundamentalist. Was it because Clemmons pretended to “get religion” in order for his sentence to be reduced?

Does it matter whether he was pretending to be a Christian or not? I mean, is there any evidence that getting religion makes people stop being psychopaths? I doubt it.

re: #34 reine.de.tout

Also, I'd pay a lot of money NOT to watch Steven Seagal's "Lawman" reality series.
Which I just watched, just to see.
B-O-R-I-N-G. And unintentionally funny (it's supposed to be a serious show).

Seagal is to action movies what Geraldo Rivera is to journalism

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Seagal is to action movies what Geraldo Rivera is to journalism

So can we lock them both in Al Capone's Vault and throw away the key?

///

re: #44 Rightwingconspirator

That would be the problem with ego. Rather than prayer.

But what good is prayer then?

re: #55 Silvergirl

I liked this article on prayer I read recently.

This article was absent of science though. Why do we need a god in order to ask for nice weather? Why not sacrifice an animal to Thor if you want to avoid rain on your wedding day?

re: #68 philosophus invidius

Does it matter whether he was pretending to be a Christian or not? I mean, is there any evidence that getting religion makes people stop being psychopaths? I doubt it.

Christianity doesn't stop bad people from being bad, or help good people to be good. Christianity does have a pretty good track record for getting good people to do bad things though, so I guess there is some merit.

re: #72 idioma

This article was absent of science though. Why do we need a god in order to ask for nice weather? Why not sacrifice an animal to Thor if you want to avoid rain on your wedding day?

It would piss off the animal and you'd probably get Thor's hammer instead of clear blue skies on your wedding.

re: #74 Silvergirl

It would piss off the animal and you'd probably get Thor's hammer instead of clear blue skies on your wedding.

Who are you to speak of the will of Thor?

I would have told him that it was really great that he had found Jesus and had such a long sentence because what better place than prison is there to find sinners to convert?

Have fun at the prison chapel and bring your friends! ;)

re: #73 idioma

Christianity doesn't stop bad people from being bad, or help good people to be good. Christianity does have a pretty good track record for getting good people to do bad things though, so I guess there is some merit.

Christianity has an even better record of making good people do great things and turning bad people into good people.

Bow to the might of Thor! Image: Thor.jpg

re: #67 Bagua

Ot:

James Hansen has endorsed my position.

Climate scientist James Hansen hopes summit will fail

Heh, he really should ask my permission before quoting my posts here.

Only because he wants to see the price of fossil fuels skyrocket. I guess that huge increase in food costs that comes with it won't bother him in the slightest.

re: #73 idioma

Christianity doesn't stop bad people from being bad, or help good people to be good. Christianity does have a pretty good track record for getting good people to do bad things though, so I guess there is some merit.

That is probably the 3rd or 4th stupidest thing I have read in quite a while. Any examples of Christianity getting "good people to do bad things" ?

re: #80 Racer X

That is probably the 3rd or 4th stupidest thing I have read in quite a while. Any examples of Christianity getting "good people to do bad things" ?

I seem to recall some papal assistance to the nazis?

re: #80 Racer X

That is probably the 3rd or 4th stupidest thing I have read in quite a while. Any examples of Christianity getting "good people to do bad things" ?

How about limiting stem cell research?
Harassing women that seek abortion from safe and legal sources.
How about the treatment of gays and minorities?
The sexual abuse at the hands of priest.
Discouraging advancement of science in general.
Labeling of perfectly normal human events as "sinful".
Witch Trials and all of their spinoffs.
Cruel treatment of people with diseases.
Supporting totalitarian regimes.
Discouraging the use of birth control in impoverished nations.

Need I go on?

When I got into my profession (HR Management), I used to be a pushover for helping people and giving them a second chance. But, almost every time, I got screwed over and fell for a line.

Its a shame that 99% of liars make it hard for the 1% that is actually good.

Nowadays, I expect that a making a gesture of faith and helping someone else out will be thrown back back at me by a lawyer or an EEOC rep.

So, I just say "sorry, is there anything on your desk that I can get for you as you are leaving?"

Let me step outside of politics here and talk within the writings of "the good book"

Judges 11
Jephthah's daughter

Numbers 16
Korah's Rebellion

Try to justify the horrors contained.

Bad people will still do good because of their fear of retribution, but religion doesn't convince them to do good while making it look like they're doing evil, but it does convince good people to do evil while thinking of themselves as righteous and pious.

re: #83 Egregious Philbin

There's that faith curse again.

re: #84 idioma

Let me step outside of politics here and talk within the writings of "the good book"

Judges 11
Jephthah's daughter

Numbers 16
Korah's Rebellion

Try to justify the horrors contained.

Bad people will still do good because of their fear of retribution, but religion doesn't convince them to do good while making it look like they're doing evil, but it does convince good people to do evil while thinking of themselves as righteous and pious.

There's nothing wrong with that second story. The people destroyed rebelled against God's authority. Under the circumstances, they had to be destroyed to prevent the whole nation of Israel from disintegrating.

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

There's nothing wrong with that second story. The people jews destroyed rebelled against God's authority. Under the circumstances, they had to be destroyed to prevent the whole nation of Israel Nazi Germany from disintegrating.

There, I fixed it.

Do you really not see a problem with your logic here? What about apologists dismissing a hate crime like in the case with Matthew Shepard? Their argument:

The people gays destroyed killed rebelled against God's authority. Under the circumstances, they had to be destroyed to prevent the whole nation of Israel United States from disintegrating.

Isn't it just a little bit too convenient that "God's authority" rolls out of the mouths of fearful, narrow-minded bigots, and xenophobic anti-intellectual zealots?

If something was really against god, why do we have to rely on interpreting ancient texts? Why won't god just send us all an email?

re: #82 idioma

How about limiting stem cell research?
Harassing women that seek abortion from safe and legal sources.
How about the treatment of gays and minorities?
The sexual abuse at the hands of priest.
Discouraging advancement of science in general.
Labeling of perfectly normal human events as "sinful".
Witch Trials and all of their spinoffs.
Cruel treatment of people with diseases.
Supporting totalitarian regimes.
Discouraging the use of birth control in impoverished nations.

Need I go on?

You forgot kicking puppies.

re: #82 idioma

How about limiting stem cell research?
Harassing women that seek abortion from safe and legal sources.
How about the treatment of gays and minorities?
The sexual abuse at the hands of priest.
Discouraging advancement of science in general.
Labeling of perfectly normal human events as "sinful".
Witch Trials and all of their spinoffs.
Cruel treatment of people with diseases.
Supporting totalitarian regimes.
Discouraging the use of birth control in impoverished nations.

Need I go on?

So, the people doing these things were good people, and were turned bad by Christianity...how, exactly? Because that was your original assertion, wasn't it?

You're also using an overly wide brush here. It isn't any problem at all to find counterexamples to each of your plaints within the large body of Christians and Christian faiths.

That sort of sweeping generalization is typically known as "bigotry," at least in polite circles. You might want to tone down your attitude.

This is a failure of the Arkansas prison system, Mike Huckabee, Arkansas parole board, the Arkansas public defender system, the Arkansas prosecutors, the Washington Department of Corrections, the Washington judges, the Washington police, and there's signs of clear corruption in the Washington court systems overall. But we're not going to hear about any of that because HUCKABEE HUCKABEE HUCKABEE HUCKABEE HUCKABEE. I'm not sure whether I'm more disgusted with the media for latching onto the big-name and throwing aside the rest, or with the "non-partisan" blogosphere for taking the tale of a deeply troubled, mentally ill youth who spent half his life behind bars but never once got treatment for his problems, and turning it into a political attack ad even before the cops executed a suspect without a trial.

I'm baffled by the religion rhetoric, too. Everybody who writes for clemency swears they've changed this time, they won't do anything bad ever again, and yes, they typically bring religion into it; if you're going to go after Huckabee every time he signs a clemency application that mentions that the applicant is a good Christian, you're going to have to go after Huckabee every time he grants clemency. He likely based his decision to shorten the sentence on the fact that judges and legal scholars largely agreed that it was an unusually long sentence for a 16-year-old who hadn't killed anyone, as well as the fact that there is basically never any good reason ever to sentence a minor to life without parole outside of a culture of punishment and ostracization of criminals. The whole "Christians" thing is just him selling it to conservative Arkansas voters who don't understand or care about a rehabilitation-based justice system and just want to see "those people" locked up forever. And since the original blog post supposes that Clemmons was faking religion to get out, I'd like to point out that that's probably not true - the breakdown he had that was responsible for his final arrest showed that he was deeply religious and probably schizophrenic, identifying himself as "God" and "Jesus" as he molested underage relatives. I really can't wait till more info comes out on this in a few days, by the way; there was probably a solid reason for him suddenly going back to being crazy after nearly five years of being absolutely fine, and odds are it's going to be a nice reminder of how we don't treat the mentally ill properly, and then imprison them in the worst prisons in the first world when they go nuts.

But hey, any excuse to attack Mike Huckabee regardless of whether it makes sense, right? I'm pretty far-left, wouldn't vote for Huck unless we was running against someone like Lieberman or a one of the worst blue dogs, and I still think this partisanship is ridiculous.

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Christianity has an even better record of making good people do great things and turning bad people into good people.

Does it give me minty fresh breath and gently lift stains from fabric? Christianity is just another brand of crazy that the world would be better off without. The fact that you even bother to defend it with blanket statements is absolutely embarrassing.

Do you really want to quantify a ratio of harm?

How much good does the catholic church do? Does it surpass the mass suffering of the third world they help to perpetuate? How many AIDS infected nations with ballooning populations would be better off with sensible use of condoms, but choose not to use them because their faith contradicts reason? How far behind are we from life-saving medical breakthroughs because some biblical literalist simply couldn't handle the truth? How many people have been jailed for blasphemy crimes? How many women have been denied basic rights? How many were enslaved outright? How many have died in wars perpetuated by christian supremacy and their quest for colonial world domination?

Can you wash it all away just because reading the bible gives some people a warm fuzzy when they act humanely to a neighbor?

What a crock.

re: #89 SixDegrees

So, the people doing these things were good people, and were turned bad by Christianity...how, exactly? Because that was your original assertion, wasn't it?

You're also using an overly wide brush here. It isn't any problem at all to find counterexamples to each of your plaints within the large body of Christians and Christian faiths.

That sort of sweeping generalization is typically known as "bigotry," at least in polite circles. You might want to tone down your attitude.

Religion is not above criticism. I've stated my case clearly, if you want to counter this argument, do it with facts.

The Huckster is a product of express make-over for personal political benefit. His habit of commuting prison sentences is horrendous and has adverse political (for him) effect in AR. Anyone who legitimately considered him for national public office needs their head examined. He needs to return to the backwoods that spawned him and the not so lovely Janet. I speak from experience of having to live with the man's horrendous decisions/mistakes while governor of this state. His veneer is quite thin.

re: #88 Racer X

You forgot kicking puppies.

Quite, kicking puppies is unforgivable.

Well, I still maintain that the rapist who got out and promptly murdered 2 women in MO was let out because of CDS combined with Huckster's weird religious beliefs. Check this out: [Link: www.amazon.com...]

Some interesting facts:
1) Wayne Dumond was not exonerated by DNA evidence - no DNA tests were ever conducted.
2) Contrary to the whitewashing claims of Dunleavy et al, Dumond had a substantial and serious prior criminal record - murder (1972), sexual molestation of a teenager (1973), and ... wait for it ... rape (1976). He dodged the murder charge by ratting out his buddies, and a rape conviction when the victim dropped charges because "she feared for her life" - after which Dumond claimed his earlier confession had been "coerced". He pled guilty to the 1973 molestation charge, for which he received 5 years probation.
3) Two years after his 1999 parole (the result of heavy pressure from governor and current presidential wannabe Mike Huckabee), Dumond raped and murdered Carol Sue Shields, of Parkville, Mo. He was convicted, and recently died in prison.

But because Dumond's first (and luckier) rape victim happened to be a distant relative of Bill Clinton, this serial rapist and murderer became a saintly martyr in the eyes of Reel, Dunleavy and their Freeper groupies. And these are the people (check out some of Guy Reel's anti-Democrat diatribes) who bash liberals for being "soft on crime

Most of his horrendous clemency decisions were likely influenced by his fallacious interpretations of the Bible, however. Reading comments from his supporters at some other sites has been bizarre.

A couple of things that has me thinking;

1) Clemency I thought was for relief of sentence in a warranted judicial criminal judgment, therefor it is up to the opinion of the governor to apply it however and at his pleasure. A Pardon I thought was for a perceived judicial irregularity or breach in the opinion of the governor. As such I do think he had the power to do what he did and the justification for it (in his opinion and not mine)

2) If all these people have "Found Christ", then they should know that Christ referred to the old testament of he bible many times. Also they should believe in the whole bible including the old testament. The only law put down by God himself five times and once in each of the first five books of the bible is that "murderers are to be put to death." So my question is how could both the governor and the prisoner ever think it is ok to "go free"? Oh and the whole "forgiveness" thing, well the only one who can forgive is the one you committed the crime to. Since we still can't talk to the dead then that doesn't work either.

If I remember correctly, Jesus talked a little bit about hypocrites.

re: #78 idioma

Bow to the might of Thor! [Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

Bah! Thor's a 40 pound weakling. Even if he *is* commander of the Asgard fleet...

jailhouse conversions = reset button jesus

You guys are all aware that the recommendation for clemency came from the trial judge in one of the trials, yes? Are you also aware of the parole board voting 5-0 for parole? In Arkansas, governors don't have the right to pardon, and while I agree that Huckabee deserves some blame, I don't think the decision was all that out of line.

60 years for burglary, assault and battery (stealing $16 and punching a drunk lady) is an absurdly high penalty, and that's part of a 108-year total in sentencing, which I find ridiculous considering his crimes to that point.

Now, I'm new here, but I had the impression that this wasn't a knuckle-dragger site where people comment without knowing squat about what they're talking about. Come on now, people. It's Huck's fault, sure, but good grief, people. You all have crystal balls or something?