Google Public DNS

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Here’s a very cool new service from Google, that can significantly speed up web browsing: Google Public DNS.

I followed the instructions on this page for setting up Google Public DNS on my Mac; it worked without a hitch, and it definitely does improve the speed of page loads across the board. Give it a try. (But be sure to save your original DNS settings first, just in case.)

UPDATE at 12/3/09 3:49:56 pm:

And if you’re as geeky as I am, check out the security benefits of using Google Public DNS.

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1 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:34:54pm

Is it better than free DNS?

2 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:37:30pm

I'm running a few quick tests, and it seems to be very noticeably faster.

3 bosforus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:39:36pm

Where was this thing 3 days ago?

4 BruceKelly  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:43:48pm

Another reason I like this blog. Thanks Charles.

5 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:44:27pm

Oh sure, if you want to turn over even more control of your life to Google The Borg. //

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:46:10pm

re: #5 cliffster

Oh sure, if you want to turn over even more control of your life to Google The Borg. //

From the Google DNS FAQ page:

Privacy

What information does Google log when I use the Google Public DNS service?

Google Public DNS complies with Google's main privacy policy, which you can view at our Privacy Center. With Google Public DNS, we collect IP address (only temporarily) and ISP and location information (in permanent logs) for the purpose of making our service faster, better and more secure. Specifically, we use this data to conduct debugging, to analyze abuse phenomena and to improve our prefetching feature. After 24 hours, we erase any IP information. For more information, read the Google Public DNS privacy page.

Is any of the information collected stored with my Google account?

No.

Does Google share the information it collects from the Google Public DNS service with anyone else?

No.

Is information about my queries to Google Public DNS shared with other Google properties, such as Search, Gmail, ads networks, etc.?

No.

7 KernelPanic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:46:20pm

For the tin foil crowd this also means that google knows exactly what sites you are using and when you use them. As someone who has dealt with BIND since the early days as well as tinydns and djbdns this will overall be a good thing.

It's also going to steal ad revenue from the sleazy ISPs that substitute an ad-laden "not found" page for mis-typed browser URLs. Google will do the right thing when a resolution query fails.

8 sadhu  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:49:49pm

page loads are REALLY faster -- wow!

9 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:51:11pm

re: #7 KernelPanic

It's also going to steal ad revenue from the sleazy ISPs that substitute an ad-laden "not found" page for mis-typed browser URLs. Google will do the right thing when a resolution query fails.

Ooh, there's a motivator. I HATE those things.

10 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:52:08pm

re: #6 Charles

cool

11 borgcube  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:52:50pm

Cool stuff. I've been using Verizon's 4.2.2.2 for years at various locations when the usual ones go bad.

12 borgcube  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:53:06pm

re: #5 cliffster

Oh sure, if you want to turn over even more control of your life to Google The Borg. //

We resent that.

13 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:54:09pm

OT but I've been looking for this video since yesterday.

Conan O'Brien bit about the new tiger woods video game, skip ahead to the last :40 secs

[Link: www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com...]

14 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 3:54:39pm

Just to make sure I typed them in right.

Primary DNS: 8.8.8.8
Secondary DNS: 8.8.4.4

Because after I entered them, I was able to get back to LGF, but it wouldn't load the comments page. Switched back to the Free DNS numbers and every thing is working again.

15 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:02:49pm

From their instruction page:

Note: We recommend that only users who are proficient with configuring operating system settings make these changes.

I guess I'm sticking with what I've got.

16 lightspeed  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:07:02pm

Your mileage may vary. For some this may be faster, but for those who have a decent ISP it will likely slow things down as the ISP's DNS servers should easily be able to respond more quickly. As for security, Google has a number of measure in place that will enhance their security, but it won't enhance the end-users' security.

Still, it is worth a try if your browsing is slow, just don't expect a magic bullet and make sure to test both ways to make sure it actually is faster.

17 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:07:43pm

Looks like my problem is with Safari. Switched over to IE 8 and things seem to be working now. There is a definate increase in speed of loading. But how much of that is the new DNS or the different browser I don't know. Anybody else using Safari?

18 allegro  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:11:17pm

re: #17 Bubblehead II

Switch to Google Chrome. Way faster.

19 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:11:27pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

I'm with you. I do not know how to save the old DNS information.
The lyrics tell the tale

20 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:11:52pm

re: #17 Bubblehead II

Looks like my problem is with Safari. Switched over to IE 8 and things seem to be working now. There is a definate increase in speed of loading. But how much of that is the new DNS or the different browser I don't know. Anybody else using Safari?

Safari is faster than IE 8 in most circumstances, in my experience.

My home ISP is Speakeasy, and they rule. I'll try this out at home, will be surprised if it speeds it up for me.

21 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:13:16pm

re: #17 Bubblehead II

Yes and NOT thrilled. Kinda slow for me compared to FF & Seamonkey
PC-WinPro

22 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:14:41pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

I'm with you. I do not know how to save the old DNS information.
The lyrics tell the tale

My favorite way: Open up your active network connection (under network connections), by double-clicking it, go to the support tab, click details. Then, l Hit the print screen button (right above insert, most keyboards), open up MS Paint, hit Ctrl-V and paste it in there, save that as "OLD IP INFO".

23 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:16:18pm

Thanks. I'll look at this a bit later, so I fav'ed the post. Very cool of you. Hope you liked the song! Titan AE was great.

24 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:16:29pm

re: #6 Charles

Haven't had a chance to bone up on this yet, but from what you see, how does it compare with OpenDNS (the free version of which i use, along with their DNS-O-Matic service)?

25 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:17:23pm

re: #7 KernelPanic

Great point.

26 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:18:48pm

Making chicken stock today. The house smells great.

27 Gearhead  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:18:51pm

re: #24 talon_262

Haven't had a chance to bone up on this yet, but from what you see, how does it compare with OpenDNS (the free version of which i use, along with their DNS-O-Matic service)?

Dang. I was just about to post the same question. I use OpenDNS at home and work. Does Google do site filtering and stats?

28 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:20:10pm

re: #22 obdicut

My favorite way: Open up your active network connection (under network connections), by double-clicking it, go to the support tab, click details. Then, l Hit the print screen button (right above insert, most keyboards), open up MS Paint, hit Ctrl-V and paste it in there, save that as "OLD IP INFO".

That's a great idea IRL too. I take pics of everything before I start taking something apart. The digital age has made life incredibly easier.

29 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:21:16pm

re: #18 allegro

I haven't tried that one yet, mainly due to the flap over the EUL Fire Fox was so so and I am finding with Safari that I have to staop a page load and the refresh just to get the darn thing to load a page.

Then again, it could also just be my system. It is a P4 1.28 GHZ processor with 1.12 GB ram. Video memory is 512 MB. OS is Windows XP Pro.

30 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:23:11pm

re: #28 RogueOne

That's a great idea IRL too. I take pics of everything before I start taking something apart. The digital age has made life incredibly easier.

Yeah. I'm going to be doing a rebuild of my computer with a new motherboard and CPU-- and I think I'm definitely going to be taking a lot of pictures before, and during.

Stuff is so much easier these days. No more setting IRQs myself, no more creating a boot disk for every game.

31 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:27:02pm

Seems to work.

/Now we are one!

/

32 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:27:30pm

re: #30 obdicut

Yeah. I'm going to be doing a rebuild of my computer with a new motherboard and CPU-- and I think I'm definitely going to be taking a lot of pictures before, and during.

Stuff is so much easier these days. No more setting IRQs myself, no more creating a boot disk for every game.

Yeah. It's also the reason I'm a PC type, what guy doesn't love to tinker? There's a Fry's here in Indy and I can spend hours in there looking at all my parts options plus it's gotten so damn cheap. Easier and cheaper is always better.

33 RogueOne  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:28:02pm

cya folks

34 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:29:03pm

American
Leftists

Google
Oligarhy!
Rules
Earth

//Beck = Off

/

35 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:29:20pm

Downloading Chrome now. This aught to fun. 3 different browsers to switch between.

36 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:29:49pm

re: #32 RogueOne

Yeah. It's also the reason I'm a PC type, what guy doesn't love to tinker? There's a Fry's here in Indy and I can spend hours in there looking at all my parts options plus it's gotten so damn cheap. Easier and cheaper is always better.

It also appeals to my incredible sense of cheapness. I get happy just watching the prices of CPUs fall over time, deciding what price I'll buy it at and then waiting for it to get there. Staying just one step behind the curve, I can have an awesome computer and spend no more than a couple hundred a year on swapping parts out.

And Newegg rules.

37 borgcube  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:30:42pm

re: #30 obdicut

Yeah. I'm going to be doing a rebuild of my computer with a new motherboard and CPU-- and I think I'm definitely going to be taking a lot of pictures before, and during.

Stuff is so much easier these days. No more setting IRQs myself, no more creating a boot disk for every game.

Admit it. You miss jumper settings and playing with your config.sys and autoexec.bat files. Ah, emm386 and himem.sys. I'm about to cry I'm so nostalgic right now.

38 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:32:40pm

re: #37 borgcube

Admit it. You miss jumper settings and playing with your config.sys and autoexec.bat files. Ah, emm386 and himem.sys. I'm about to cry I'm so nostalgic right now.

I still have msconfig to keep me warm. And Hijack this fulfills my geeky need.

I used to spend lots of time configuring DOS games to run under XP, and then DOSbox came out.

I expect when I switch to Windows 7 62 bit I'll have the compatibility fun all over again.

39 KernelPanic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:33:07pm

Been thinking about the implications of this and google may have a bit of a support headache.

I bet a ton of people will manually change their DNS setting on their local desktop, only to see those changes wiped out in a few minutes or hours when their local DHCP lease renews itself.

Especially wireless users where it is common to have short lease times (sometimes 15 minutes). The router is going to refresh the OS with whatever local DNS settings are configured and by default this usually overrides the settings on the desktop client. People will either have to put the google info into their router or configure their client to ignore DNS data fed by the DHCP server.

Either way I suspect many people are going to make the change locally and then not realize that the changes are lost a short time later. They'll just think that Google DNS is not working or not making anything faster for them.

41 borgcube  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:34:52pm

re: #36 obdicut

It also appeals to my incredible sense of cheapness. I get happy just watching the prices of CPUs fall over time, deciding what price I'll buy it at and then waiting for it to get there. Staying just one step behind the curve, I can have an awesome computer and spend no more than a couple hundred a year on swapping parts out.

And Newegg rules.

Newegg does indeed rule. I could order something from them right now and it will be here tomorrow morning by 10:30 without even having to pay overnight shipping. I've even ordered stuff on Sunday afternoon and it's here the next day. They must have a UPS office inside their warehouse or something. Insane service.

42 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:35:22pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Limbaugh: Left Using Health Care Reform To Kill Off Elderly Like Mao And Stalin (VIDEO)


[Video]

Aren't Mao and Stalin already dead?

43 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:36:54pm

re: #42 darthstar

Aren't Mao and Stalin already dead?

Physically, yes

But they live on in the lefty paradise world!

44 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:37:03pm

re: #37 borgcube

Admit it. You miss jumper settings and playing with your config.sys and autoexec.bat files. Ah, emm386 and himem.sys. I'm about to cry I'm so nostalgic right now.

DOS 6.2 rocked. And it fit on three floppy disks.

45 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:37:18pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Limbaugh: Left Using Health Care Reform To Kill Off Elderly Like Mao And Stalin (VIDEO)


Rush Limbaugh sez the first thing Mao did was to kill teh educated peoples.

Guess he's safe for now.

//

46 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:37:48pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

Physically, yes

But they live on in the lefty paradise world!

Then why are we trying to kill them? And when did Limbaugh become a lefty?

47 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39:27pm

re: #46 darthstar

Then why are we trying to kill them? And when did Limbaugh become a lefty?

It's all the rage ever since Barack Hussein Obama ,, mmm, mmm, mmm!!
/

48 borgcube  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39:42pm

re: #44 darthstar

DOS 6.2 rocked. And it fit on three floppy disks.

Yeah, nothing quite as exciting as playing Zork back in the day. "Pick up rock."
"Rock too heavy." Whoa, how did it know that???

49 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39:47pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

Careful now.

50 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39:50pm

Oops - I meant to post this here, not downstairs. Sorry for the duplicate.
---
So, they held Congressional hearings today on the idiots who crashed the White House dinner party last week. The Secret Service showed up, admitted that they screwed up royally and prepared to take their caning. The idiots didn't show up, despite an invitation. Also absent was anyone from the White House staff, who were responsible for the guest list and were the authority the Secret Service was supposed to have checked with (but didn't) if any questions arose about guests being on the "invited" list or not.

So - why didn't the White House staff show up? They declined because of a direct order from the Oval Office.

It seems to me that if the idiots wind up getting charged, the information about whether or not they were on the invitation list is absolutely going to be made public; if I were their lawyer, the first thing I'd ask for would be a copy of the guest list.

So why not just show up and fork over the list? If they're not on it, bring charges. If they are, they're innocent. Case closed, time to move on.

I can't think of any reason for the White House to order it's staff not to attend. Unless they don't want the guest list made public for some reason.

Or am I missing something and giving in to paranoia here? Did anyone hear an explanation for the order to stay away? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

51 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:43:27pm

re: #50 SixDegrees

I can't think of any reason for the White House to order it's staff not to attend. Unless they don't want the guest list made public for some reason.

Or am I missing something and giving in to paranoia here? Did anyone hear an explanation for the order to stay away? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Valerie Jarrett said they want to preserve the ability to have confidential conversations among White House staff. And they feel they've looked into it themselves sufficiently. No link, because I saw it on a bit of news video and I don't remember where.

52 brookly red  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:43:39pm

re: #42 darthstar

Aren't Mao and Stalin already dead?

/See it works!

53 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:43:45pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Careful now.

Just singing along with the school children!

Youtube Video
54 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:44:02pm

re: #35 Bubblehead II

Downloading Chrome now. This aught to fun. 3 different browsers to switch between.

I've been using Chrome almost exclusively for the past week or two and it's definitely grown on me...only things I miss from Firefox is extensions (which Google's apparently working on; I hope they [or some other developer] get some sort of ad/script blocking extensions going, like Adblock Plus and NoScript for Firefox).

There's been a few pages that don't render or function right in Chrome (not necessarily Chrome's fault, I know), such as some Microsoft sites (yeah, yeah, I know), but on the whole, Chrome is performing well and renders most pages much quicker than either IE8 or FF 3.5.5 on my install of Win7 Ultimate x64.

55 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #50 SixDegrees

So why not just show up and fork over the list?

Probably because of executive privileged. Congress doesn't really have authority over the Secret Service or Presidential security. If there are real problems with Presidential security it's probably best not to discuss them live on CNN. I assume the congressional hearings were largely a Republican dog and pony show. Not important or relevant.

56 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:44:34pm

re: #52 brookly red

HA!

57 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:44:38pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Limbaugh: Left Using Health Care Reform To Kill Off Elderly Like Mao And Stalin (VIDEO)


He might want to look back.

Google Search medicare cuts bush

58 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:46:28pm

I think there was a flounce by spinoff, maybe?

59 KernelPanic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:46:35pm

re: #50 SixDegrees

I think you might be reading too much into this. This goes back to the standard pissing match between the executive branch and congress. The WH position is that WH staffers such as the social secretary etc. are not bound to appear and testify.

I think every administration gets into these little battles. The idea behind all of them is that they want to avoid the precedent of having personal assistants and other non-elected staffers subjected to constant external efforts to get at them.

Besides I don't think the actual guest list is being withheld or declared confidential. They were holding back the social secretary from testifying, not any documents from that office (I could be wrong though).

60 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:47:26pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

I think there was a flounce by spinoff, maybe?

Yep. Sgt K. But it looks like he's not blocked yet.

61 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:47:54pm

Meanwhile, Iran's defiant announcements of new and better nuke programs are now coming every day.

And no one seems to be paying attention.

No the left (except to say that it's our fault), not the right (except to splutter).

Strongly worded letters cannot be written fast enough to keep up with the Islamic Republic's frantic antics.

Any suggestions?

62 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Probably because of executive privileged. Congress doesn't really have authority over the Secret Service or Presidential security. If there are real problems with Presidential security it's probably best not to discuss them live on CNN. I assume the congressional hearings were largely a Republican dog and pony show. Not important or relevant.

Could be. And the Executive Privilege argument at least makes some sense.

Still, there's only one thing that anyone needs to know: where the asshats on the list or not? Email the list down to the hearing room, at least, and be done with it if you don't want the staff sworn and questioned. It's going to be subpoenaed anyway if charges are filed.

63 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:49:16pm

re: #50 SixDegrees

Unless they don't want the guest list made public for some reason.

Cue Palin/Bachmann/Beck claiming the guest list includes Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc. in 3...2...1...

64 allegro  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:49:59pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

M

eanwhile, Iran's defiant announcements of new and better nuke programs are now coming every day.

And no one seems to be paying attention.

Maybe cuz it's just so much bluster and they know better?

65 brookly red  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:51:22pm

re: #62 SixDegrees

Could be. And the Executive Privilege argument at least makes some sense.

Still, there's only one thing that anyone needs to know: where the asshats on the list or not? Email the list down to the hearing room, at least, and be done with it if you don't want the staff sworn and questioned. It's going to be subpoenaed anyway if charges are filed.

that would be efficient... so that ain't gonna happen.

66 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:51:59pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, Iran's defiant announcements of new and better nuke programs are now coming every day.

And no one seems to be paying attention.

No the left (except to say that it's our fault), not the right (except to splutter).

Strongly worded letters cannot be written fast enough to keep up with the Islamic Republic's frantic antics.

Any suggestions?

---

splut·ter (spltr)
v. splut·tered, splut·ter·ing, splut·ters
v.intr.
1. To make repeated or sporadic spitting sounds.
2. To speak hastily and incoherently, as when confused or angry.
v.tr.
To utter or express hastily and incoherently.
n.
A spluttering noise.

I like it!

67 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:52:36pm

re: #59 KernelPanic

I think you might be reading too much into this. This goes back to the standard pissing match between the executive branch and congress. The WH position is that WH staffers such as the social secretary etc. are not bound to appear and testify.

I think every administration gets into these little battles. The idea behind all of them is that they want to avoid the precedent of having personal assistants and other non-elected staffers subjected to constant external efforts to get at them.

Besides I don't think the actual guest list is being withheld or declared confidential. They were holding back the social secretary from testifying, not any documents from that office (I could be wrong though).

Yes, that's not an unreasonable explanation. I just haven't run across anything other than a statement of refusal, with nothing to justify it.

I'd prefer not to give these dirt weasels any more publicity - it's exactly what they so desperately crave, after all. Get the list, and if it's confirmed they weren't on it, bring Federal felony charges against them.

68 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:52:56pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Yep. Sgt K. But it looks like he's not blocked yet.

He is now. What an asshole.

I'm amazed at the tactics these people use. There's something seriously wrong with their mental health.

69 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:53:25pm

re: #64 allegro

Maybe cuz it's just so much bluster and they know better?

You're new around here, so I'm keeping the cluebat close, but not bringing it out yet.

You call 50,000 centrifuges and the new secret nuke site outside Qom "bluster"?

Dude, not even Mohammed "Nothing To See Here" ElScaredei-Cat buys their shit anymore.

70 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:53:28pm

re: #64 allegro

M

Maybe cuz it's just so much bluster and they know better?

I don't think that's a chance worth taking.

71 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:54:00pm

re: #54 talon_262

Well I guess I will find out. FF was a disappointment and Safari, while it seemed to be working better hasn't met my expectations. But as I stated earlier, it could also be my hardware just isn't up to the task.

looking forward to upgrading to a dual core 64 bit processor one of these days.

Also just noticed something else. I no longer have the automatic spell check while using IE 8. Guess that is something Safari does right

72 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:54:03pm

re: #63 darthstar

Cue Palin/Bachmann/Beck claiming the guest list includes Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc. in 3...2...1...

Another reason to come forward with an explanation. I don't think the Executive Privilege argument offered above is a bad one; in the past, though, it's been spelled out that this was the reason for declining attendance at similar hearings, while in this case no explanation was offered. Or at least none was reported.

73 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:54:06pm

re: #68 Charles

He is now. What an asshole.

I'm amazed at the tactics these people use. There's something seriously wrong with their mental health.

I prefer to use the clinical term "completely f**ked in the head" for those folks...

74 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:54:14pm

re: #68 Charles

He is now. What an asshole.

I'm amazed at the tactics these people use. There's something seriously wrong with their mental health.

They're seriously out of their minds. I didn't even get past the title.

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:54:41pm

re: #30 obdicut

Yeah. I'm going to be doing a rebuild of my computer with a new motherboard and CPU-- and I think I'm definitely going to be taking a lot of pictures before, and during.

Stuff is so much easier these days. No more setting IRQs myself, no more creating a boot disk for every game.

The games were better in the DOS days (or at least less designed by committee and wrangled by producers to the point of being homogenized slop) but it sure was hell getting them to run sometimes. "Oh you want sound drivers AND mouse drivers under the 640K barrier? Well, i want a pony!"

76 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:54:47pm

re: #74 Gus 802

They're seriously out of their minds. I didn't even get past the title.

Oh- I read it. Dennis is a real asshole.

78 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:55:45pm

re: #73 talon_262

I prefer to use the clinical term "completely f**ked in the head" for those folks...

I've always liked "crazier than a shithouse rat". That's Beck's official diagnosis, by the way. I hacked his rehab center.

79 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:55:58pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

So, did my explanation earn me the 100 updings?

80 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:56:05pm

re: #76 Sharmuta

Oh- I read it. Dennis is a real asshole.

Oh, that's the idiot that was mentioned yesterday.

81 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:56:34pm

re: #80 Gus 802

Oh, that's the idiot that was mentioned yesterday.

Oh? Link?

82 irish rose  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:56:38pm

I'm trying to have a rational conversation with some right-wing conservatives on Facebook tonight about "climategate"... I'm sure you can all guess how it's going.

These people are absolutely convinced that there's a massive coverup underway, and they're throwing the full weight of their trust on a group of criminal hackers and thugs because it props up their political agenda.

Trying to point out to the blinkered idiots who are applauding the criminal actions of these lawbreakers that the illegal behavior of said lawbreakers completely invalidates their credibility as truthbearers, is an absolute waste of time.

I've decided to give it up, and come back to the land of the sane for my evening conversation.

83 brookly red  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:56:50pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

You're new around here, so I'm keeping the cluebat close, but not bringing it out yet.

You call 50,000 centrifuges and the new secret nuke site outside Qom "bluster"?

Dude, not even Mohammed "Nothing To See Here" ElScaredei-Cat buys their shit anymore.

Well I see 2 choices...

84 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:56:58pm

re: #62 SixDegrees

The White House will deal with it. It's laughable that Republicans are all of a sudden so concerned with Obama's security.

85 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:57:25pm

The neighbor of my ("dog loving") neighbors stopped by with a petition. The "dog lovers" have refused to surrender their poochie, as required by law, for testing, and if the dog is not found, the neighbor will have to get the rabies series. The "dog lovers" and their precious puppies have gone into hiding. They DENIED owning the big breeding bitch who bit the neighbor.

Meanwhile there is a BOLO on the "dog lovers" and their pit bull breeding bitch, her two vicious pups and the fucking little hairball.

Also, the neighbor who was bitten is also going to sue the living shit out of the "dog lovers."

86 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:58:01pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

Oh? Link?

It was in one of the threads. I forgot who brought him up. Not in a positive light of course.

87 brookly red  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:58:20pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

The White House will deal with it. It's laughable that Republicans are all of a sudden so concerned with Obama's security.

President Biden?

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:58:26pm

re: #82 irish rose

It's all like rooting for a football team to those guys. Their ego is tied up in their "team", and not in discourse, or ideas, or truth. The "I hate Al Gore so every concept he is associated with is wrong" crowd.

89 KernelPanic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:58:36pm

re: #67 SixDegrees


I'd prefer not to give these dirt weasels any more publicity - it's exactly what they so desperately crave, after all. Get the list, and if it's confirmed they weren't on it, bring Federal felony charges against them.

I would really like to see them punished but I don't see it happening unless there is some sort of special federal law about access/proximity to the president or maybe lying to a secret service officer (actually maybe that route would work).

I think what it is going to come down to is that acting like a jerk and trying to get into a party uninvited is not actually illegal. Even a trespass charge maybe hard since they will claim that "they let us through the gate, how can we be tresspassing?".

Besides, a large chunk of the people freaking out about this and criticizing the WH will instantly change their tune to "the WH is lashing out to punish the social climbers who embarassed them".

Since it's a lose/lose situation anyway and the Correct Thing has already happened (major security freakout and changes made to policies and protocol) my gut feeling is that the feds won't charge the social climbers with anything serious.

90 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:59:56pm

re: #72 SixDegrees

Another reason to come forward with an explanation. I don't think the Executive Privilege argument offered above is a bad one; in the past, though, it's been spelled out that this was the reason for declining attendance at similar hearings, while in this case no explanation was offered. Or at least none was reported.

If the guest list is made public, everyone on it gets investigated by someone looking for dirt. I think it's safe to assume the Salahis weren't actually invited. The charge that they got a list of people who declined the invitation and possibly dropped one of their names to get in raises questions about staffers who had access to that information...did someone get paid to give them a name to drop at the door? These people are attention whores, like balloon boy's parents...and the fact that they declined congress' invitation to testify shows that they're also aware of what it takes to keep their 15 minutes of fame going.

Personally, I don't care who was invited...I know I wasn't.

91 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:00:25pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

Oh? Link?

Right here.

92 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:00:42pm

re: #86 Gus 802

I'll look for it, thanks.

93 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:01:18pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Thanks.

94 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:01:40pm
95 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:01:57pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

Thanks.

YW

96 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:02:03pm

re: #72 SixDegrees

...in this case no explanation was offered. Or at least none was reported.


I'm sure Fox is painting this as some sort of mysterious cover uo but other news organizations have an explanation...

White House aide avoids testifying on security breach

Specifically, Republicans want to know why Rogers broke with past practice by not having one of her aides standing at the front gate to check names for the state dinner.

But like the Salahis, who did not show up for the hearing, Rogers declined the committee's invitation to talk on constitutional grounds

"Based on the separation of powers, staff here don't go to testify in front of Congress. ... She will not be testifying in front of Congress," said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

Republicans laughed off the notion the president might use executive privilege to protect an old pal from Chicago, Illinois.

"This is not a separation of powers issue," said Rep. Peter King, R-New York. "We are talking about an administrative decision to have people or not have people standing with the Secret Service and to change a policy of at least 20 years standing."

This is just Republicans trying to make the White House look incompetent. It's not a huge scandal and Republicans are not entitled to oversee White House security issues.

97 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:02:41pm

re: #79 Bubblehead II

So, did my explanation earn me the 100 updings?

I was hoping for a syntactical explanation that would clear the writer of utter imbecility, but you did your best. You da winna!

98 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:03:01pm

re: #89 KernelPanic

I would really like to see them punished but I don't see it happening unless there is some sort of special federal law about access/proximity to the president or maybe lying to a secret service officer (actually maybe that route would work).

I think what it is going to come down to is that acting like a jerk and trying to get into a party uninvited is not actually illegal. Even a trespass charge maybe hard since they will claim that "they let us through the gate, how can we be tresspassing?".

Besides, a large chunk of the people freaking out about this and criticizing the WH will instantly change their tune to "the WH is lashing out to punish the social climbers who embarassed them".

Since it's a lose/lose situation anyway and the Correct Thing has already happened (major security freakout and changes made to policies and protocol) my gut feeling is that the feds won't charge the social climbers with anything serious.

As I understand it, they'll probably have to show that the couple actually lied in order to gain entrance. That opens the door to a whole raft of Federal charges.

The Dowd article cited above, though, implies that maybe the weasels got an email from the White House social director that, while not exactly an invitation, might have been misinterpreted by a pair clinically obsessed with fame and using it to promote themselves that they really felt their presence was desired. At which point it becomes a misunderstanding, not a willful attempt to breach security, and they walk with their 15 minutes only partially spent.

Not fair, in my opinion. But it's sounding like that's how it may play out.

99 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:03:26pm

re: #82 irish rose

I've decided to give it up, and come back to the land of the sane for my evening conversation.

Welcome back.

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:03:37pm

re: #94 Cato the Elder

There seem to be a disproportionate amount of pit bull owners that are lunatics. :/ (and full disclosure, i know totally awesome pit bull and rott owners, and even they complain about bad pit bull people)

101 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:04:12pm

re: #90 darthstar

If the guest list is made public, everyone on it gets investigated by someone looking for dirt.

re: #96 Killgore Trout

This is just Republicans trying to make the White House look incompetent. It's not a huge scandal and Republicans are not entitled to oversee White House security issues.

Exactly. As I quoted myself above...any names released would simply be targets for investigation by people looking for dirt...of course, 'tis the season.

102 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:06:20pm

re: #100 WindUpBird

There seem to be a disproportionate amount of pit bull owners that are lunatics. :/ (and full disclosure, i know totally awesome pit bull and rott owners, and even they complain about bad pit bull people)

You know what, it's like owning a Glock.

The Glock is no more dangerous or "bad-ass" than any other gun in its class. But for a while there, no yo-boy gang-banger had any street cred without one.

Having been around dogs all my life, I can say with certainty that the only problem with pit bulls, Rotties and Dobermans are the people who own and train them.

103 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:07:09pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

This is just Republicans trying to make the White House look incompetent. It's not a huge scandal and Republicans are not entitled to oversee White House security issues.

Well, there were two incidents I can recall with the former president. One involved a shoe and another a "grenade."

104 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:07:41pm

re: #100 WindUpBird

There seem to be a disproportionate amount of pit bull owners that are lunatics. :/ (and full disclosure, i know totally awesome pit bull and rott owners, and even they complain about bad pit bull people)

Don't you think it might be disproportionate to shoot the owners?

105 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:07:49pm

re: #85 Alouette

The neighbor of my ("dog loving") neighbors stopped by with a petition. The "dog lovers" have refused to surrender their poochie, as required by law, for testing, and if the dog is not found, the neighbor will have to get the rabies series. The "dog lovers" and their precious puppies have gone into hiding. They DENIED owning the big breeding bitch who bit the neighbor.

Meanwhile there is a BOLO on the "dog lovers" and their pit bull breeding bitch, her two vicious pups and the fucking little hairball.

Also, the neighbor who was bitten is also going to sue the living shit out of the "dog lovers."

Good for the neighbor. That kind of reaction is total bullshit.

I was bitten by a dog that went missing when I was about 4, and had to go through the rabies series as a result. Believe me, it is NOT fun, although I think they've reduced the number of shots considerably since I had them. They make you mildly ill, they hurt, and they're not cheap.

I would own their home and everything they possess. Well, my lawyer and I would own it jointly, I guess, but still - my intent under the circumstances would be to rain down as much financial ruin on them as possible.

If there's an order to remove the dogs, it'll stand. Keep an eye out; if you see them, even weeks from now, call it in and they'll be gone. Consider capturing video, too, if possible.

106 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:08:10pm

re: #103 Gus 802

Well, there were two incidents I can recall with the former president. One involved a shoe and another a "grenade."

...and congress was not responsible for investigating either of those incidents.

107 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:08:26pm

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Careful now.

108 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:08:51pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

This is just Republicans trying to make the White House look incompetent. It's not a huge scandal and Republicans are not entitled to oversee White House security issues.

Right, the whole thing was a setup - the phony couple were paid by the RNC.

And since when is Maureen Dowd a Republican?

110 Digital Display  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:09:20pm

re: #98 SixDegrees

Dennis Miller last night said we should punish the White House crashers by making them spend the summer in a house with the Balloon Boy family and Octomom in a reality show.

111 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:09:26pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Don't you think it might be disproportionate to shoot the owners?

Maybe just wound them a little? Somewhere painful?

112 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:09:27pm

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Come on, man. Don't post stuff like this here, kidding or not. It's not cool, and it creates problems for me.

113 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:09:48pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

...and congress was not responsible for investigating either of those incidents.

At this rate they're going to demand a congressional investigation for everything that happens. Gets old with them trying to turn molehills into mountains.

114 albusteve  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:09:51pm

re: #107 Gus 802

Careful now.

exterminate dog owners? my goodness, you'd think they were the Taliban

115 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:09:54pm

re: #97 Cato the Elder

Some times the syntax can be misleading. You have to read between the lines.

_/ My Karma thanks you.

116 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:10:20pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

Dennis Miller last night said we should punish the White House crashers by making them spend the summer in a house with the Balloon Boy family and Octomom in a reality show.

Holy crap...Dennis Miller and I agree on something? I posted the same suggestion a few days ago on another blog.

117 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:10:27pm

re: #112 Charles

Come on, man. Don't post stuff like this here, kidding or not. It's not cool, and it creates problems for me.

I'm sorry. I shall repost without the rhetorical excess.

118 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:11:34pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

Dennis Miller last night said we should punish the White House crashers by making them spend the summer in a house with the Balloon Boy family and Octomom in a reality show.

Unfortunately, that would be giving all of them exactly what they want.

Having them spend the rest of their lives at an anonymous, dull job - 7-11 clerk, Walmart greeter or warehouse stocker - would be the most horrible punishment they could ever imagine.

119 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:12:00pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Obama unveils New World Order Super Seekrit Weapon to redistribute wealth!

From your link:

President Barack Obama greets Santa Claus and Mrs. Claus, played by Brad and Victoria Oscar, as they participate in the National Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony in Washington, Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009.

...I think Victoria is in the role of Santa...

120 Digital Display  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:12:13pm

re: #116 darthstar

Holy crap...Dennis Miller and I agree on something? I posted the same suggestion a few days ago on another blog.

Maybe he ripped you off..You know how comics always steal material.

121 KernelPanic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:12:23pm

Ideally I'd want the couple charged with something (hopefully something like lying to a secret service agent) but I think that won't actually happen.

What would really put me over the top though would be if Bravo ends up using them in that 'Real Housewives of DC" show. Gawker.com already saying that Bravo was filming for that show in DC since at least September and that this couple was in contention for being cast and was actually being filmed around town.

If this little episode was in any way sparked by a reality TV producer or something I'm going to be really pissed off.

122 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:12:25pm

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Right, the whole thing was a setup - the phony couple were paid by the RNC.

And since when is Maureen Dowd a Republican?

I don't think he meant the RNC set it up...that was the Salahis and BravoTV...I think he meant that the Republicans see an opportunity to distract the media and the White House with demands for an explanation.

123 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:12:26pm

re: #113 Gus 802

At this rate they're going to demand a congressional investigation for everything that happens. Gets old with them trying to turn molehills into mountains.

Until the Republicans start getting some ideas to work on I think this is going to be their tactic. White House Party crashers and Acorn are just a waste of time until they start getting some ideas.

124 political lunatic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:14:17pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

Dennis Miller last night said we should punish the White House crashers by making them spend the summer in a house with the Balloon Boy family and Octomom in a reality show.

Come on, man. That kind of punishment is an unacceptable form of torture. What normal person would not go insane from that?

125 brookly red  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:14:22pm

re: #122 darthstar

I don't think he meant the RNC set it up...that was the Salahis and BravoTV...I think he meant that the Republicans see an opportunity to distract the media and the White House with demands for an explanation.

distract the media from what?

126 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:15:04pm

"Pull my finger"

127 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:15:10pm

re: #85 Alouette

The neighbor of my ("dog loving") neighbors stopped by with a petition. The "dog lovers" have refused to surrender their poochie, as required by law, for testing, and if the dog is not found, the neighbor will have to get the rabies series. The "dog lovers" and their precious puppies have gone into hiding. They DENIED owning the big breeding bitch who bit the neighbor.

Meanwhile there is a BOLO on the "dog lovers" and their pit bull breeding bitch, her two vicious pups and the fucking little hairball.

Also, the neighbor who was bitten is also going to sue the living shit out of the "dog lovers."

Good God. I've been following this.

So these good neighbors allowed their dog to bite someone and refuse to even have it rabies-tested? Do they have any gawdamighty idea what that person will go through? Do they realize that people can die or be permanently disabled by the rabies series of shots? I know someone who had to go through it and she's never been the same.

This should come under felony endangerment and willful failure to provide reasonable aid, in addition to whatever else the DA can think up.

One thing is clear here, and that's whose fault this is. Hint: not the dog's.

128 albusteve  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:15:28pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Until the Republicans start getting some ideas to work on I think this is going to be their tactic. White House Party crashers and Acorn are just a waste of time until they start getting some ideas.

the ideas have not changed...there is no one interested in delivering the tried and true message of fiscal conservatism...now is the time considering the dismal state of the economy and burgeoning debt

129 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:18:18pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

"Pull my finger"

No wonder she has no political sense of direction. Those bangs in her eyes nullify whatever good the glasses do.

130 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:18:22pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

...and congress was not responsible for investigating either of those incidents.

Is the WH really responsible for what the Secret Service does? When one administration takes over, they don't come in and appoint all their own people, do they? I thought the Secret Service kinda did its own thing.

That being said, it's pretty crazy for this to have happened. Somebodies need to get fired.

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:18:29pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Limbaugh: Left Using Health Care Reform To Kill Off Elderly Like Mao And Stalin (VIDEO)


[Video]

Geeze Louise, that's as bad as Sarah Palin. Worse in fact, because Rush should know better than that. He's doing it to rile up the audience.

132 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:19:43pm

re: #130 cliffster

Is the WH really responsible for what the Secret Service does? When one administration takes over, they don't come in and appoint all their own people, do they? I thought the Secret Service kinda did its own thing.

That being said, it's pretty crazy for this to have happened. Somebodies need to get fired.

That's maybe the second profound statement I've heard from you today.

133 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:19:45pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Obama unveils New World Order Super Seekrit Weapon to redistribute wealth!

This is our future under Obama's sekrit socialized health care plan! Santa Claus was forced to lose weight!!!1111!

/

134 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:20:24pm

re: #64 allegro

M


Maybe cuz it's just so much bluster and they know better?

As I recall, the late Saddam Hussein engaged in a bit o' bluster at one time.

135 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:21:59pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Geeze Louise, that's as bad as Sarah Palin. Worse in fact, because Rush should know better than that. He's doing it to rile up the audience.

After he linked to Prison Planet I'd say that Rush is going full tilt and is now in Truth To Power Mode Phase I™.

136 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:22:44pm

re: #85 Alouette

The neighbor of my ("dog loving") neighbors stopped by with a petition. The "dog lovers" have refused to surrender their poochie, as required by law, for testing, and if the dog is not found, the neighbor will have to get the rabies series. The "dog lovers" and their precious puppies have gone into hiding. They DENIED owning the big breeding bitch who bit the neighbor.

Meanwhile there is a BOLO on the "dog lovers" and their pit bull breeding bitch, her two vicious pups and the fucking little hairball.

Also, the neighbor who was bitten is also going to sue the living shit out of the "dog lovers."

I'm with Cato. The "dog lovers" should be charged with reckless endangerment and concealing evidence. If the person bitten were to die, I'd add a charge of Murder 2 for depraved indifference to the list.

137 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:22:48pm

re: #134 solomonpanting

As I recall, the late Saddam Hussein engaged in a bit o' bluster at one time.

IIRC he expressed surprise that we couldn't tell he was BSing.

138 allegro  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:23:16pm

re: #134 solomonpanting

As I recall, the late Saddam Hussein engaged in a bit o' bluster at one time.

That went well, didn't it?

139 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:23:38pm

re: #130 cliffster

Is the WH really responsible for what the Secret Service does? When one administration takes over, they don't come in and appoint all their own people, do they? I thought the Secret Service kinda did its own thing.

That being said, it's pretty crazy for this to have happened. Somebodies need to get fired.

She's an old friend of BHO from Chicago.

140 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:24:34pm

re: #138 allegro

That went well, didn't it?

When's the last time you heard from Hussein & Sons?

141 albusteve  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:25:08pm

re: #85 Alouette

The neighbor of my ("dog loving") neighbors stopped by with a petition. The "dog lovers" have refused to surrender their poochie, as required by law, for testing, and if the dog is not found, the neighbor will have to get the rabies series. The "dog lovers" and their precious puppies have gone into hiding. They DENIED owning the big breeding bitch who bit the neighbor.

Meanwhile there is a BOLO on the "dog lovers" and their pit bull breeding bitch, her two vicious pups and the fucking little hairball.

Also, the neighbor who was bitten is also going to sue the living shit out of the "dog lovers."

the pups are innocent...for what it's worth

142 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:25:30pm

re: #97 Cato the Elder

I was hoping for a syntactical explanation that would clear the writer of utter imbecility, but you did your best. You da winna!

Then start doing it. Yes, I believe this community is going to hold you to your word. Or were you just "joking"

143 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:25:33pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

I'm with Cato. The "dog lovers" should be charged with reckless endangerment and concealing evidence. If the person bitten were to die, I'd add a charge of Murder 2 for depraved indifference to the list.

If my beloved dog bit someone, he'd get a rabies test. I'd have to leave the rest up to the state. There are bites, and then there are maulings.

My dog is up-to-date on all his shots. These people have something to hide. Either that or they set their dog's life above the life of a neighbor.

144 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:25:45pm

re: #139 MandyManners

She's an old friend of BHO from Chicago.

Yeah? So now it's all good for them to have gotten in?

145 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:25:56pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

No wonder she has no political sense of direction. Those bangs in her eyes nullify whatever good the glasses do.

Cato, if she cut her bangs you'd say her new hair style was worse. You just love flinging mud at Sarah Palin, that's all there is to it.

I don't really mind though. Most of the digs are funny, or at least witty, and even the ones that aren't pale against the value your wit and wisdom bring to this board.

146 brookly red  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:26:02pm

re: #139 MandyManners

She's an old friend of BHO from Chicago.

Now someone really needs to get fired!

147 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:26:50pm

re: #144 cliffster

Yeah? So now it's all good for them to have gotten in?

I was talking about Desiree Rogers, the social secretary. See my No. 77.

148 freetoken  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:26:55pm

re: #133 Gus 802

It's the requirement to wear a red jacket that was the tip off, no?

149 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:27:23pm

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Does that mean I have to read everything you say? Groan!

I'll ding as my attention is grabbed.

150 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:27:41pm

re: #147 MandyManners

I was talking about Desiree Rogers, the social secretary. See my No. 77.

Oh. Hahaha. DC is the new Chicago.

151 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:29:01pm

re: #87 brookly red

The White House will deal with it. It's laughable that Republicans are all of a sudden so concerned with Obama's security.

President Biden?

You gotta love Biden's honesty. I am surprised we haven't heard much any ridicule from the media.

As regards the economy and the Obama Administration policies:

"We may be wrong," Biden said. "But the point is, we believe in what we're doing."

152 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:29:06pm

re: #148 freetoken

It's the requirement to wear a red jacket that was the tip off, no?

Red, red, red I tell you! Can't you see...

Michelle Obama reading The Red Book to children wearing Alpaca hats!

Can't you see? Alpaca hats are from Peru! The Shining Path was in Peru!!111!!

//

153 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:29:16pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Cato, if she cut her bangs you'd say her new hair style was worse. You just love flinging mud at Sarah Palin, that's all there is to it.

I don't really mind though. Most of the digs are funny, or at least witty, and even the ones that aren't pale against the value your wit and wisdom bring to this board.

No, seriously, I wouldn't. There are few things more annoying than a man or woman who grows a hairdo that makes you have to keep constantly doing the little head-toss to get the stuff out of your eyes. It's a cheap "look at me!" move that I recognized already in grade school.

154 albusteve  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:29:21pm

re: #147 MandyManners

I was talking about Desiree Rogers, the social secretary. See my No. 77.

anybody with the name Desiree should be arrested on principle...there's some wit and wisdom...they should be made to change their name to Shirley

155 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:29:56pm

re: #151 solomonpanting

"We may be wrong," Biden said. "But the point is, we believe in what we're doing."

Biden really said that?

156 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:30:29pm

re: #154 albusteve

anybody with the name Desiree should be arrested on principle...there's some wit and wisdom...they should be made to change their name to Shirley

Surely you're joking.

157 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:30:36pm

re: #153 Cato the Elder

No, seriously, I wouldn't. There are few things more annoying than a man or woman who grows a hairdo that makes you have to keep constantly doing the little head-toss to get the stuff out of your eyes. It's a cheap "look at me!" move that I recognized already in grade school.

I never thought of it that way. Thank you, Cato. You've given me something new to consider.

158 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:30:58pm

re: #155 MandyManners

"We may be wrong," Biden said. "But the point is, we believe in what we're doing."

Biden really said that?

Yep

159 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:31:32pm

re: #130 cliffster

I thought the Secret Service kinda did its own thing.


They're technically under the Treasury department.

160 albusteve  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:31:52pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

I never thought of it that way. Thank you, Cato. You've given me something new to consider.

hahaha!...hohoho!

161 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:32:14pm

re: #154 albusteve

anybody with the name Desiree should be arrested on principle...there's some wit and wisdom...they should be made to change their name to Shirley

Desiree is Ok. Strangers came to rely on her kindness.

162 allegro  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:32:47pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

I'm with Cato. The "dog lovers" should be charged with reckless endangerment and concealing evidence. If the person bitten were to die, I'd add a charge of Murder 2 for depraved indifference to the list.

I don't know where this occurred (it does make a difference), but I must interject that the odds of rabies in most urban areas where the dogs were otherwise contained is extremely remote. I am not at all absolving the owners of failure to contain their dogs in their own back yard or socializing them to prevent them from attacking non-threatening neighbors. This said, due to the species of dogs and the public hysteria against that breed, the option of observing them for 30 days as opposed to putting them down and re-sectioning their brains, will no doubt not be chosen.

If my little Spaniel bit someone and I know he's healthy and not a threat, I might take off too to save his life.

163 albusteve  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:33:07pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Desiree is Ok. Strangers came to rely on her kindness.

Ho!
kindness is over rated

164 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:33:38pm

re: #158 solomonpanting

Yep

I cringed reading that.

165 albusteve  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:34:56pm

re: #162 allegro

I don't know where this occurred (it does make a difference), but I must interject that the odds of rabies in most urban areas where the dogs were otherwise contained is extremely remote. I am not at all absolving the owners of failure to contain their dogs in their own back yard or socializing them to prevent them from attacking non-threatening neighbors. This said, due to the species of dogs and the public hysteria against that breed, the option of observing them for 30 days as opposed to putting them down and re-sectioning their brains, will no doubt not be chosen.

If my little Spaniel bit someone and I know he's healthy and not a threat, I might take off too to save his life.

pit bulls should be eradicated...shot down from helicopters if necessary

166 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:35:03pm

re: #162 allegro

I don't know where this occurred (it does make a difference), but I must interject that the odds of rabies in most urban areas where the dogs were otherwise contained is extremely remote. I am not at all absolving the owners of failure to contain their dogs in their own back yard or socializing them to prevent them from attacking non-threatening neighbors. This said, due to the species of dogs and the public hysteria against that breed, the option of observing them for 30 days as opposed to putting them down and re-sectioning their brains, will no doubt not be chosen.

If my little Spaniel bit someone and I know he's healthy and not a threat, I might take off too to save his life.

Are you serious? You'd force someone to undergo expensive and painful medical treatments and avoid the police?

167 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:35:23pm

re: #162 allegro

If my little Spaniel bit someone and I know he's healthy and not a threat, I might take off too to save his life.

Then you would deserve jail time.

And the word you are groping for is "resecting".

168 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:35:36pm

re: #149 Cato the Elder

No. You stated that you would give100 up dings for anything the winner posted regardless of whether or not you agreed. That means that I could post that the sun raises in the west and I would get an upding.

Read or ignore at your choice. But remember to hit the + button regaedless.

Lizards/Charles. I do believe this is the deal he made. Is it not?

169 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #127 Cato the Elder

Good God. I've been following this.

So these good neighbors allowed their dog to bite someone and refuse to even have it rabies-tested? Do they have any gawdamighty idea what that person will go through? Do they realize that people can die or be permanently disabled by the rabies series of shots? I know someone who had to go through it and she's never been the same.

This should come under felony endangerment and willful failure to provide reasonable aid, in addition to whatever else the DA can think up.

One thing is clear here, and that's whose fault this is. Hint: not the dog's.

I have to write up a narrative describing all the problems I have had with these dogs since the time the "dog lovers" moved in. The neighbor asked me if I had ever made an "animal nuisance" report to the police, and I said that I didn't, because these neighbors are not the kind of people that you want to piss off and if I made a complain, then I'd be a "racist." Whereas the neighbor who was bitten is an elderly black lady.

I hope these "dog lovers" and their precious pooches get what's coming to them. What kind of fucking asshole skips town with "fluffy" and forces a little old lady to get rabies shots?

170 solomonpanting  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:36:28pm

re: #164 MandyManners

I cringed reading that.

Here's hoping they're not wrong.

171 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:37:25pm

re: #170 solomonpanting

Here's hoping they're not wrong.

Here's praying that they're gone in 2012.

172 Irish Rose  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:37:25pm

Onion Radio News:
Church cancelled due to lack of God

173 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:37:36pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

You just made me look up another word!
Thanks!

174 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:37:48pm

re: #169 Alouette

I hope these "dog lovers" and their precious pooches get what's coming to them. What kind of fucking asshole skips town with "fluffy" and forces a little old lady to get rabies shots?

Someone like Allegro, apparently.

175 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:38:04pm

re: #169 Alouette

I have to write up a narrative describing all the problems I have had with these dogs since the time the "dog lovers" moved in. The neighbor asked me if I had ever made an "animal nuisance" report to the police, and I said that I didn't, because these neighbors are not the kind of people that you want to piss off and if I made a complain, then I'd be a "racist." Whereas the neighbor who was bitten is an elderly black lady.

I hope these "dog lovers" and their precious pooches get what's coming to them. What kind of fucking asshole skips town with "fluffy" and forces a little old lady to get rabies shots?

Can't reports be made anonymously?

176 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:38:18pm

re: #141 albusteve

the pups are innocent...for what it's worth

I call them "pups" for the purpose of establishing a lineage (they are the whelps of the bitch) but they are full size bit pulls.

The "dog lovers" are DENYING that they even own the breeding bitch, even though she has been living in their house and whelped two litters of pups since they moved in.

177 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:38:18pm
178 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:40:12pm

re: #176 Alouette

I call them "pups" for the purpose of establishing a lineage (they are the whelps of the bitch) but they are full size bit pulls.

The "dog lovers" are DENYING that they even own the breeding bitch, even though she has been living in their house and whelped two litters of pups since they moved in.

Don't dogs have to be registered?

179 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:40:48pm

re: #176 Alouette

I do hope you will write up the narrative of your issues with the neighbors and their pets.
Are they tenants or owners of the property? If tenants, any kind of conviction could give the landlord a tool to evict them.

180 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:41:15pm

re: #162 allegro

I don't know where this occurred (it does make a difference), but I must interject that the odds of rabies in most urban areas where the dogs were otherwise contained is extremely remote. I am not at all absolving the owners of failure to contain their dogs in their own back yard or socializing them to prevent them from attacking non-threatening neighbors. This said, due to the species of dogs and the public hysteria against that breed, the option of observing them for 30 days as opposed to putting them down and re-sectioning their brains, will no doubt not be chosen.

If my little Spaniel bit someone and I know he's healthy and not a threat, I might take off too to save his life.

You would force a 70-year-old lady take a rabies series in order not to surrender "fluffy"? Fuck you and your little dog too.

181 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:42:41pm

re: #178 MandyManners

Don't dogs have to be registered?

LOL. Have you ever lived in a big city?

182 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:43:16pm

re: #179 Floral Giraffe

I do hope you will write up the narrative of your issues with the neighbors and their pets.
Are they tenants or owners of the property? If tenants, any kind of conviction could give the landlord a tool to evict them.

They are the owners. They bought a property which was reduced to half its value after a foreclosure. They probably have one of those "sub prime" mortgages. After the bitten neighbor gets through sueing the living crap out of them, that property may once again be up for grabs, but first somebody will have to put on hazmat gear to clean out the dogshit.

183 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:44:24pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

LOL. Have you ever lived in a big city?

Seattle. Portland. Chicago. Denver.

184 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:45:17pm

Math homework needs my attention.

185 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:55:56pm

I guess mileage will vary with Google DNS, but here at Lizard HQ I'm really happy with the speed improvement. It's noticeably faster than both my ISP's DNS and OpenDNS.

186 ryannon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 5:58:44pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, Iran's defiant announcements of new and better nuke programs are now coming every day.

And no one seems to be paying attention.

No the left (except to say that it's our fault), not the right (except to splutter).

Strongly worded letters cannot be written fast enough to keep up with the Islamic Republic's frantic antics.

Any suggestions?


The Chamberlain Zombie.

187 allegro  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:06:11pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

I hope these "dog lovers" and their precious pooches get what's coming to them. What kind of fucking asshole skips town with "fluffy" and forces a little old lady to get rabies shots?

Someone like Allegro, apparently.

Allegro is a wildlife biologist of over 30 years who has a clue. A little less hysteria and a bit more reality would serve all to benefit.

188 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:06:48pm

re: #186 ryannon

The Chamberlain Zombie.

Followed immediately, when the damage is done, by the Churchill Zombie.

189 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:07:29pm

re: #183 MandyManners

Seattle. Portland. Chicago. Denver.

Then you should know that "minor" laws like registering your dog are unenforceable and therefore optional.

190 citybilly  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:09:35pm

i am setting up my systems to use Google to night. Good bye Open DNS. no hard feelings...

191 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:16:42pm

re: #185 Charles

I guess mileage will vary with Google DNS, but here at Lizard HQ I'm really happy with the speed improvement. It's noticeably faster than both my ISP's DNS and OpenDNS.

I'll have to give Google DNS a whirl when I get home...

192 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 6:27:58pm

re: #7 KernelPanic

It's also going to steal ad revenue from the sleazy ISPs that substitute an ad-laden "not found" page for mis-typed browser URLs. Google will do the right thing when a resolution query fails.

THE reason I started using OpenDNS. I'll have to check out Google's DNS.

193 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 7:00:08pm

for me, OpenDNS seems to be faster than Google.

You can test this yourself:

Windows:
create this batch file:

@echo off
ver %P% time
nslookup littlegreenfootballs.com 8.8.8.8
ver %P% time

The difference between the first time stamp and the second is your measurement. Change the 8.8.8.8 to 208.67.222.222 for OpenDNS.

In Linux, it's simpler (this may work in OS X too, since it uses the Bash shell, but I don't have any way to test it):

just type

time nslookup littlegreenfootballs.com 8.8.8.8

This is not perfect, but it's better than subjectively "eyeballing it".

194 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 7:09:27pm

re: #187 allegro

Allegro is a wildlife biologist of over 30 years who has a clue. A little less hysteria and a bit more reality would serve all to benefit.

Allegro speaks in the third person. Check.

Allegro doesn't know the verb "resect" and thinks it should be "re-section". Check.

Allegro can't write a sentence that would indicate whether he's over thirty years old and a wildlife biologist, or whether he's been a wildlife biologist for over thirty years. Check.

Allegro thinks "serve all to benefit" is English. Check.

And, as Allegro admitted above, if Allegro's little dog bit someone and in his own personal estimation there was no danger to the bitten person, he would remove himself from the testing requirement for rabies to save his dog's life, in defiance of the law an callous disregard for the rights of the injured party. Check.

Allegro has lost any credibility he may have had with me forever.

195 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 7:12:10pm
196 simoom  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 7:26:32pm

re: #125 brookly red

distract the media from what?

Well, from covering other news in the time it consumes. Politically you always want to control as much of the news cycle as possible by seeding/flogging more stories that are favorable to your side, or perhaps even better, as many negative stories as possible about your opponents.

Republicans having the opportunity to pointlessly excoriate Desiree Rogers in front of a congressional subcommittee would make for great political theater, likely dragging this story through a many more cycles. Though depending on what the Salahi's do next that may happen anyway.

197 bwrader  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 7:44:04pm

Cool, gotta love google :)

198 mipatel  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 7:12:13am

awesome. thanks for the info. working well on my win mobile phone. much faster than at&t's DNS servers!

199 Jerusalemyte  Sat, Dec 5, 2009 12:20:32pm

Google must be getting something out of this. Maybe finding out even more about you and everybody else? No, they would never do that!

200 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 5, 2009 7:22:25pm

re: #199 Jerusalemyte

Google must be getting something out of this. Maybe finding out even more about you and everybody else? No, they would never do that!

Sigh.

You may want to read my comment before assuming there's a Google conspiracy at work:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


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