Sarah Palin: Obama’s Nirth Certifikit ‘A Fair Question’

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The circle of stupid is now unbroken, as Sarah Palin announces on right wing talker Rusty Humphries’s show that she thinks it’s “fair” to question Barack Obama’s citizenship: Palin: Obama birth certificate ‘a fair question’.

Yes, that’s right. Sarah Palin is blowing the Birther dog whistle. You’ll never see a better demonstration of political cynicism mixed with blinding stupidity.

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Humphries: Sarah Palin here on the Rusty Humphries Show. One of the questions Jason asks is would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

Palin: I think the public rightly is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bothered to make it an issue because I think there are enough members of the electorate that still want answers.

Humphries: Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?

Palin: I think it’s a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you too, I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were, and perhaps what their future plans were, and I don’t think that was fair to voters to not have done our job as candidates and a campaign to bring to light a lot of things that now we’re seeing manifest in the administration.

Anyone still wondering why I want nothing to do with the right wing?

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350 comments
1 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:34:25pm

Kudos Charles. This stuff is beyond unreal.

2 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:35:50pm

I'm grounded. Can't stand either the right or the left wing. No flying for me.

3 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:37:20pm

Not so much craziness as sheer stupidity. I propose letting Cato wirte the next Sarah Palin post so that she can receive the invective she so richly deserves.

4 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:37:37pm
You know, I’ve got to tell you too, I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area.

Is there anything, just one thing, Sarah Palin thinks the McCain campaign did right? Like picking a VP?

/Maybe they didn’t do a good enough job in that area...

5 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:39:44pm

Seriously, since resigning her job, all Sarah's done is stated what the McCain people have done wrong. She looks like an ingrate.

6 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:39:55pm

Not so much craziness as sheer stupidity. I propose letting Cato write the next Sarah Palin post so that she can receive the invective she so richly deserves.

But, if Cato writes it, she'll need a dictionary to look up the hard words!
Oooh, the horror!

7 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:40:04pm

he's black and has a funny name, clearly something fishy about this guy, right sarah?

8 Racer X  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:40:22pm

Please, someone please tell her the truth. She is no longer relevant. It's time to just go away.

9 erraticsphinx  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:40:47pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Deflecting personal responsibility is her only value.

10 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:41:01pm
Anyone still wondering why I want nothing to do with the right wing?

I'm not, then again, I understand where you are coming from.

11 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:41:10pm

Sarah,

Go away.

-Bloodnok

12 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:41:13pm

The celebrity phenomenon continues.

And observation. One minute she's pretending to play the role of political outsider. The next minute, she's touting her political experience and role as an insider. Three minutes later she's denouncing the mainstream media and then soon after she's seeking mainstream media attention.

I see a pattern here.

Note: I did notice she said eons and eons about the climate of the Earth.

13 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:41:17pm

re: #8 Racer X

Her 15 minutes of fame are OVER.

14 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:41:29pm

re: #8 Racer X

I doubt she will go away any time soon. If she is good at anything, it's grabbin' those headlines.

15 Locker  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:41:37pm

I don't think it was fair to the voters, Sarah, "to not have done your job" as Governor and complete your term. Blockhead.

16 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:41:51pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Now it's time for her 15 minutes of infamy.

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:42:31pm

re: #8 Racer X

Please, someone please tell her the truth. She is no longer relevant. It's time to just go away.

But that's the problem right there. She's VERY relevant to the right wing. She won't become president, but I suspect she might just be here to stay, lingering around with maybe a talk show, a radio program, a nutty think tank or some such.

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:43:01pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Her 15 minutes of fame are OVER.

I believe you're flat wrong about that. ;-)

19 wee fury  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:43:15pm

She says she "doesn't want to sound negative and pessimistic."
Then WHY does she.

20 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:43:37pm

Uh oh. She also denounced consumerism.

Collectivist theocrat!

//

21 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:43:41pm

And people pay $16 to get their picture taken with this woman?

22 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:44:09pm

re: #14 Soap_Man

I had this apocalyptic nightmare. Just before the 100 megaton mushroom cloud formed, Sarah Palin and Gloria Allred bumped into each other in an elevator.

I think it was a doesn't matter and doesn't anti matter explosion.

23 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:44:11pm

Would it also be "fair" to question her intelligence and mental stability?

24 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:44:47pm

re: #15 Locker

I don't think it was fair to the voters, Sarah, "to not have done your job" as Governor and complete your term. Blockhead.

They benefit from not having her as governor. Conservatives are the ones who suffer, she's running around loose now.

25 wee fury  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:44:52pm

re: #21 darthstar

And people pay $16 to get their picture taken with this woman?

I thought we were in a recession and nobody had money.

26 jaunte  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:44:58pm

re: #17 WindUpBird

But that's the problem right there. She's VERY relevant to the right wing. She won't become president, but I suspect she might just be here to stay, lingering around with maybe a talk show, a radio program, a nutty think tank or some such.

The definition of "think tank" is going to have to be stretched way out of shape.

27 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:44:58pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

I had this apocalyptic nightmare. Just before the 100 megaton mushroom cloud formed, Sarah Palin and Gloria Allred bumped into each other in an elevator.

I think it was a doesn't matter and doesn't anti matter explosion.

LOL!

28 McSpiff  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:45:18pm

re: #15 Locker

I don't think it was fair to the voters, Sarah, "to not have done your job" as Governor and complete your term. Blockhead.

Alaska got off easy!

29 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:45:26pm

re: #23 Soap_Man

Would it also be "fair" to question her intelligence and mental stability?


probably even more, because there has been no evidence, even circumstantial, to prove that either might exist.

30 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:45:41pm

re: #21 darthstar

And people pay $16 to get their picture taken with this woman?

What? She CHARGES to get her picture taken with her fans?

31 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:45:49pm

re: #8 Racer X

Please, someone please tell her the truth. She is no longer relevant. It's time to just go away.

The media loves her, because she gives them what they want for ratings.

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32 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:46:00pm

re: #23 Soap_Man

Would it also be "fair" to question her intelligence and mental stability?

I don't think we did a good enough job in that area.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:46:37pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

he's black and has a funny name, clearly something fishy about this guy, right sarah?

Even worse, he beat her. Something must be wrong.

Did she think they were going to win? Is that what this is about?

34 Locker  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:46:53pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

They benefit from not having her as governor. Conservatives are the ones who suffer, she's running around loose now.

Ahaha. True but what's fair and what's beneficial are often at odds.

35 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:47:13pm

Honesty, you can tell something about a person's mental furniture by the way she talks.

In Sarah Palin's case, I have yet to hear an ex tempore sentence of more than three words that isn't syntactically and grammatically so badly garbled that the best you can glean from it is a mere impression of what she's trying to say.

She makes Dubya look like Cicero.

36 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:47:25pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Seriously, since resigning her job, all Sarah's done is stated what the McCain people have done wrong. She looks like an ingrate.

If this is how Palin really is, I'm glad her and McCain lost and his campaign was f**king stupid to have her be the VP candidate. I'm no huge fan of President Obama and VP Biden, but even with all of their flaws and foibles, they've not risen to the level of unmitigated st00pid and hysteria the GOP and the right have set a new benchmark for.

I've lost a lot of respect for John McCain because of her histrionics, but perhaps he was sold a bill of goods also by the people that said she needed to be on the ticket to draw the RR (which never really happened, IIRC)...hindsight is always 20/20, I suppose.

37 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:47:52pm

re: #8 Racer X

Please, someone please tell her the truth. She is no longer relevant. It's time to just go away.

Define relevant. Book sales, media coverage, and LGF airtime says she's pretty relevant.

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:48:09pm

I voted for her. Well, I voted for McCain actually, knowing she was on the ticket.

I really did dig her in the beginning. I wanted very much to like her, and I did. The more I learn about her, the less I like.

I guess it just makes me a traitor and a RINO, that I no longer sing the praises of a goofball like her. So be it.

39 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:49:15pm

re: #35 Cato the Elder

Honesty, you can tell something about a person's mental furniture by the way she talks.

In Sarah Palin's case, I have yet to hear an ex tempore sentence of more than three words that isn't syntactically and grammatically so badly garbled that the best you can glean from it is a mere impression of what she's trying to say.

She makes Dubya look like Cicero.

A nervous staccato.

Unless of course she is confronted by the keen mind and intellect of Katie Couric. Then she's at a loss for words.

40 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:49:56pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

You are not alone. A lot of people wanted to like her when she first busted out onto the national scene.

But the more she opened her mouth, the worse things became...

41 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:49:58pm

re: #35 Cato the Elder

Honesty, you can tell something about a person's mental furniture by the way she talks.

In Sarah Palin's case, I have yet to hear an ex tempore sentence of more than three words that isn't syntactically and grammatically so badly garbled that the best you can glean from it is a mere impression of what she's trying to say.

She makes Dubya look like Cicero.

You mean the towering intellect that was GWB?

42 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:12pm

re: #35 Cato the Elder

Honesty, you can tell something about a person's mental furniture by the way she talks.

In Sarah Palin's case, I have yet to hear an ex tempore sentence of more than three words that isn't syntactically and grammatically so badly garbled that the best you can glean from it is a mere impression of what she's trying to say.

She makes Dubya look like Cicero.

She also lacks George W's willingness to stand and fight for things he believes matters. Sarah Palin has shown herself to be little more than political fluff (not meant in a sexual sense).

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:21pm

re: #35 Cato the Elder

Honesty, you can tell something about a person's mental furniture by the way she talks.

In Sarah Palin's case, I have yet to hear an ex tempore sentence of more than three words that isn't syntactically and grammatically so badly garbled that the best you can glean from it is a mere impression of what she's trying to say.

She makes Dubya look like Cicero.

She really is hard to follow. Not as bad as Glenn Beck, but hard to follow. Bush got tongue-tied, but he could usually be identified as having a thought he was expressing.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:22pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

I had this apocalyptic nightmare. Just before the 100 megaton mushroom cloud formed, Sarah Palin and Gloria Allred bumped into each other in an elevator.

I think it was a doesn't matter and doesn't anti matter explosion.

They see each other, and then Allred pulls out a shotgun, then Palin grabs it, and they sling each other into walls like Arnie and the t-1000 in Terminator 2.

45 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:26pm

re: #39 Gus 802

A nervous staccato.

Unless of course she is confronted by the keen mind and intellect of Katie Couric. Then she's at a loss for words.

Indeed.

It is also notable that for all her media exposure she has never once dared to do a full-on press conference with accredited reporters.

She picks and chooses her venues and still can't handle them.

46 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:33pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

I voted for her. Well, I voted for McCain actually, knowing she was on the ticket.

I really did dig her in the beginning. I wanted very much to like her, and I did. The more I learn about her, the less I like.

I guess it just makes me a traitor and a RINO, that I no longer sing the praises of a goofball like her. So be it.

I'm in the same boat with you, SB...I really wanted her and John McCain to win the election, but now that the mask has slipped in defeat, Sarah Palin (and her "friends") can go pound sand.

47 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:46pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

Even worse, he beat her. Something must be wrong.

Did she think they were going to win? Is that what this is about?

maybe.

but im not even sure at this point that sarah even has the mental wearwithal to remember that she ran with mccain for the white house last year.

48 jaunte  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:47pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

Well said; same here.

49 bubba zanetti  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:50:54pm

re: #21 darthstar

A fool and her money are soon partying.

50 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:51:15pm

re: #23 Soap_Man

Would it also be "fair" to question her intelligence and mental stability?

Or that of the man who picked her in the first place. Had McCain chosen Romney, Pawlenty, Huckabee, or anyone, Sarah Palin would still be fighting her ethics complaints as Governor of Alaska, and she wouldn't be worried about whatever pictures Levi Johnston has of her.

51 wee fury  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:51:23pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

She also lacks George W's willingness to stand and fight for things he believes matters. Sarah Palin has shown herself to be little more than political fluff (not meant in a sexual sense).

A dust bunny.

52 Locker  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:51:34pm

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

I voted for her. Well, I voted for McCain actually, knowing she was on the ticket.

I really did dig her in the beginning. I wanted very much to like her, and I did. The more I learn about her, the less I like.

I guess it just makes me a traitor and a RINO, that I no longer sing the praises of a goofball like her. So be it.

Respect man.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:51:49pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

She also lacks George W's willingness to stand and fight for things he believes matters. Sarah Palin has shown herself to be little more than political fluff (not meant in a sexual sense).

I just can't figure out what she thinks does matter, aside from her shining example to the nation.

54 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:52:17pm

re: #51 wee fury

A dust bunny.

I like that line! Upding!

55 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:52:28pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Indeed.

It is also notable that for all her media exposure she has never once dared to do a full-on press conference with accredited reporters.

She picks and chooses her venues and still can't handle them.

Yes. Like the journalistic giant Oprah Winfrey who has interviewed other American intellectuals like Jenny McCarthy and John Travolta.

56 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:53:22pm

re: #49 bubba zanetti

A fool and her money are soon partying.

I am sooo stealing that.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:53:24pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Yes. Like the journalistic giant Oprah Winfrey who has interviewed other American intellectuals like Jenny McCarthy and John Travolta.

How did the Oprah interview go, anyway?

58 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:53:32pm

I'm off to bed. Have fun all!

59 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:53:45pm

Wow, Sarah Palin must be really stupid. I guess she got this kind of national attention because she has nice legs, then.

60 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:09pm

re: #20 Gus 802

Uh oh. She also denounced consumerism.

Collectivist theocrat!

//

Well of course. The Bible has communist propaganda in it like Isaiah 2:4!

Glenn Beck told me so!

61 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:09pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Indeed.

It is also notable that for all her media exposure she has never once dared to do a full-on press conference with accredited reporters.

She picks and chooses her venues and still can't handle them.

While, in the past, I thought that some of your criticisms of Palin were crass and over-the-top, I've come to agree with (what I glean to be) your underlying sentiment:

Palin f**king sucks...

62 McSpiff  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:18pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Indeed.

It is also notable that for all her media exposure she has never once dared to do a full-on press conference with accredited reporters.

She picks and chooses her venues and still can't handle them.

Cato, I'm surprised you of all people would suggest she has anything to do with choosing venues. Her PR firm chooses them, and I'd say they're doing their best to throw soft balls at her.

63 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:18pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

How did the Oprah interview go, anyway?

Don't know. Find I think. You know her audience, they'll applaud anything as long as she gives them gifts from Spiegel.

64 Racer X  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:20pm

The drench Clever Hamsters jazz band - official ad

Youtube Video
65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:25pm

Am I safe in assuming that it is no longer Politically Incorrect to enjoy this song now?

Truth be told, I never stopped liking it.

66 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:44pm

re: #59 cliffster

Wow, Sarah Palin must be really stupid. I guess she got this kind of national attention because she has nice legs, then.

Finally you say something sensible.

67 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:54:59pm

re: #30 Floral Giraffe

What? She CHARGES to get her picture taken with her fans?

Yes...no cameras allowed at her book signings. She has an official photographer and you can order your print(s) online. $16 for a 5x7, $35 by an 11x14.

68 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:55:52pm

re: #67 darthstar

What a ripoff. Even baseball players don't charge for autographs or photos.

69 BruceKelly  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:55:56pm

re: #8 Racer X

Please, someone please tell her the truth. She is no longer relevant. It's time to just go away.

I hope all she's trying to do is sell books.

70 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:55:56pm

Caribou Barbie strikes again. What a waste.

71 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:56:42pm

SARAH-- Weekdays at 4 PM
SARAH is a registered trademark of Haras, Inc.
© 2009 Haras Productions, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

72 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:56:47pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

Am I safe in assuming that it is no longer Politically Incorrect to enjoy this song now?

Truth be told, I never stopped liking it.

Me too.

And in those days the voices were not digitally fixed to be on-key.

That woman could sing.

73 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:56:49pm

Let's see ...

The national debt is on a trajectory to triple in the next 10 years while unemployment languishes and businesses sit on their hands - uncertain of what regulatory and economic environment they will cope with in the next few years.

So what does the GOP do? Parade a set of clowns so scary that voters will actually see they have no choice in 2012.

Amazing.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:57:25pm

re: #67 darthstar

Yes...no cameras allowed at her book signings. She has an official photographer and you can order your print(s) online. $16 for a 5x7, $35 by an 11x14.

Jen from Cakewrecks wouldn't do that to her fans.

75 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:57:33pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

Well of course. The Bible has communist propaganda in it like Isaiah 2:4!

Glenn Beck told me so!

The Reds have taken over the GOP!

/

76 [deleted]  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:57:49pm
77 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:58:01pm

re: #70 Pawn of the Oppressor

Caribou Barbie strikes again. What a waste.

It's OK. I have fifteen Bible Spice action figures in the original packaging. When I'm ready to stop bashing Sarah and retire, they'll be worth a fortune.

78 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:58:22pm

re: #76 Marsoupial

Good bye.

79 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:58:30pm

Well, I'm starting to ramble (with some help from Johnny Walker Red.)

G'night.

80 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:58:50pm

re: #63 Gus 802

Don't know. Find I think. You know her audience, they'll applaud anything as long as she gives them gifts from Spiegel.

She records her show in Chicago. The audience gets its payoff, then they provide the impression she wants conveyed. It's The Chicago Way, a everyday occurrence in the "only completely corrupt city in America".

81 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:59:08pm

re: #76 Marsoupial

Oh, go sit on it and spin...

82 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:59:26pm

We have a marsupial who just crawled out of the pouch.

Looks kinda like a worm.

83 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:59:27pm

re: #76 Marsoupial

Piss off, moron.

84 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:59:38pm

Current temperature at my house, at 8200 feet, 35 miles west of downtown Denver Colorado is -6 degrees (f)... a bit brisk to say the least.

85 McSpiff  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 9:59:50pm

re: #76 Marsoupial

...and your 14 comments have truly made this site what it is today.

86 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:00:07pm

re: #83 Charles

Piss off, moron.

Hehe...

87 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:00:39pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

She records her show in Chicago. The audience gets its payoff, then they provide the impression she wants conveyed. It's The Chicago Way, a everyday occurrence in the "only completely corrupt city in America".

I've watched it a few times. Whenever she used to give out gifts I would cringe. Those people would act like they won a million dollars and start crying. All for a digital camera and a sweater.

But that's Oprah. She's been doing that for years.

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:00:50pm

re: #76 Marsoupial

On a scale of 1-10, I give that flounce a 5. It was nasty, but it didn't have the craziness needed for a truly good flounce.

89 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:01:05pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Current temperature at my house, at 8200 feet, 35 miles west of downtown Denver Colorado is -6 degrees (f)... a bit brisk to say the least.

Huh... while I was composing a public service comment, I missed all the fun...

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:01:35pm

Guys, I know I'm mixing threads, but what was the Pam 'n Robert rally actually about? I had thought the child was going to be some kind of foster care. What's happening that they're upset about?

91 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:02:11pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, I know I'm mixing threads, but what was the Pam 'n Robert rally actually about? I had thought the child was going to be some kind of foster care. What's happening that they're upset about?

Pam and Robert has a kid?

92 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:02:29pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Current temperature at my house, at 8200 feet, 35 miles west of downtown Denver Colorado is -6 degrees (f)... a bit brisk to say the least.

That's not so bad. I remember in the 1990s we'd always get a week or two of sub zero temps. Usually around Thanksgiving.

93 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:02:33pm

re: #83 Charles

Piss off, moron.

My second FIA (Flounce In Action) that I've seen...always an amazing sight to see!

94 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:02:34pm

If you are really this worked up about Palin, then you'd better start worrying. No matter how much you write her off as an insignificant moron, she's neither insignificant, nor a moron. And she gets a lot of votes for free, by virtue of people who would like to see the first female president.

95 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:02:48pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

What's happening that they're upset about?

Well, there are ... Muslims in this country!

96 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:02:53pm

By the way, she says "It's a fair question for the public to ask" (the birth cert)...in other words, she's got plausible deniability. She can feed the birther bullshit and keep it going, then step back and say, "Well, I never said I thought President Obama was born in Kenya."

It's almost as bad as Glenn Beck seeding assassination rationale into his television program for his weak-minded viewers, and when some nutcase shows up with a loaded gun at a town hall and starts shooting, saying, "I never told my viewers to shoot at the president."

97 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:04:16pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

On a scale of 1-10, I give that flounce a 5. It was nasty, but it didn't have the craziness needed for a truly good flounce.

My favorite part was that the flouncer tried to praise us Lizards while criticizing Charles...as if that were going to make any sort of difference!

98 wee fury  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:04:25pm

To clarify.
As an Independent, I have voted for Bill Clinton (twice), George W. Bush (twice) and John McCain. I don't believe that I have ever been influenced by VP picks.

99 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:04:37pm

re: #94 cliffster

If you are really this worked up about Palin, then you'd better start worrying. No matter how much you write her off as an insignificant moron, she's neither insignificant, nor a moron. And she gets a lot of votes for free, by virtue of people who would like to see the first female president.

The "worked up" meme again?

These things get posted BECAUSE she is significant, and unfortunately she's significant despite the fact that she's clearly either a fool or an expert at playing fools like a fiddle... Neither one is a desireable quality for a President, vagina or no.

100 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:05:08pm

re: #70 Pawn of the Oppressor

Caribou Barbie strikes again. What a waste.

I prefer to call her "Sarahbarracougar"...wink, wink, and also.

101 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:05:38pm

re: #94 cliffster

If you are really this worked up about Palin, then you'd better start worrying. No matter how much you write her off as an insignificant moron, she's neither insignificant, nor a moron. And she gets a lot of votes for free, by virtue of people who would like to see the first female president.

Seriously. She just said in this interview that bringing up Obama's birth certificate would be fair game because some folks brought up Trig's birth certificate during the campaign. She essentially dragged her child into the conversation again when she could have simply left him out of it.

102 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:06:37pm

re: #92 Gus 802

That's not so bad. I remember in the 1990s we'd always get a week or two of sub zero temps. Usually around Thanksgiving.

If it's -6 (f) right now at 11:00pm, by 4:00am friday morning, it's bound to be around -12... my feet ain't touching the floor in the morning.

103 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:06:37pm

re: #93 Surabaya Stew

My second FIA (Flounce In Action) that I've seen...always an amazing sight to see!

I respectfully disagree. I've seen quite a few flounces and most of them are the blog post equivalent of farts.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:06:54pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

Pam and Robert has a kid?

Rifqa. I do hope Pam and Robert did not have a kid.

105 hickph  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:06:55pm

re: #69 BruceKelly

No way. Now that Huckster has kneecapped himself, she will be a force in the primaries. And many of the GOP states are winner-take-all, so she can get her core vote and "win" states. The Republicans have a real quandary on their hands, because if they take on Palin too hard, she could muster the Tea Baggers and the Birthers and Deathers and Beckers to mount a third-party run - even if it would hand Obama a second term. Besides, Jesus is on her side, remember, and Jesus would be "telling" her to do this.

106 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:06:56pm

re: #95 Charles

Well, there are ... Muslims in this country!

Even heard a rumor that Christians sometimes have Jews for neighbors!
/

107 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:07:29pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Seriously. She just said in this interview that bringing up Obama's birth certificate would be fair game because some folks brought up Trig's birth certificate during the campaign. She essentially dragged her child into the conversation again when she could have simply left him out of it.

And instead of taking this golden opportunity to say, "Please, can't we focus on issues instead of nonsense like this birth certificate thing?" ... she pandered to the Birthers.

You'll never see a better demonstration of political cynicism mixed with blinding stupidity.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:07:51pm

re: #94 cliffster

If you are really this worked up about Palin, then you'd better start worrying. No matter how much you write her off as an insignificant moron, she's neither insignificant, nor a moron. And she gets a lot of votes for free, by virtue of people who would like to see the first female president.

No. She is insignificant. This woman has completely blown any chance of a presidency. And I say, thank God for that.

109 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:08:08pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Seriously. She just said in this interview that bringing up Obama's birth certificate would be fair game because some folks brought up Trig's birth certificate during the campaign. She essentially dragged her child into the conversation again when she could have simply left him out of it.

Which is what Cato had been saying pretty much all along. At best, she's an ignoramus with political juice...at worst, a dangerous manipulator with political juice.

Either way, bad juju for the GOP.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:08:08pm

re: #95 Charles

Well, there are ... Muslims in this country!

Ah. Yes, I saw one this morning. I see their point.

//

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:08:20pm

re: #100 darthstar

I prefer to call her "Sarahbarracougar"...wink, wink, and also.

Doesn't really work. She's happily married to man her own age, so the cougar part doesn't work. Just saying.

112 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:08:24pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

I respectfully disagree. I've seen quite a few flounces and most of them are the blog post equivalent of farts.

Well, as a man who has more that 1 fart app on his iPhone, guess I've always been intrigued by flatulence in all its forms!

113 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:09:03pm

re: #102 Walter L. Newton

If it's -6 (f) right now at 11:00pm, by 4:00am friday morning, it's bound to be around -12... my feet ain't touching the floor in the morning.

Get back to me when you've survived -30 to -50. ;)

114 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:09:33pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Rifqa. I do hope Pam and Robert did not have a kid.

His body, her brains.

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:09:34pm

re: #112 Surabaya Stew

Well, as a man who has more that 1 fart app on his iPhone, guess I've always been intrigued by flatulence in all its forms!

A kid at heart, I see. Not a problem, carry on.

116 erraticsphinx  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:10:19pm

re: #107 Charles

"You'll never see a better demonstration of political cynicism mixed with blinding stupidity."

This seems to be what the GOP wants its slogan to be.

117 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:10:50pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

No. She is insignificant. This woman has completely blown any chance of a presidency. And I say, thank God for that.

I'm sure you very much hope that's true.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:10:51pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

I was mildly amused by the vacillating Sarah-Heads on the subject.

During the election, when we discovered that she was nick-named "Sarah-cuda" by her school's basketball team, many folks (myself included) thought it would be so cool if they used Heart's Barracuda on the campaign trail. There was much talk of how awe-some that song was, how awe-some and talented Heart was, and so on.

Then they did use that song, and one of the sister's complained. Suddenly, everyone who thought that music was sooo cool before, were now calling them talentless hacks who did nothing rip off Led Zeppelin riffs, and what crap their music was.

119 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:11:17pm

re: #107 Charles

And instead of taking this golden opportunity to say, "Please, can't we focus on issues instead of nonsense like this birth certificate thing?" ... she pandered to the Birthers.

You'll never see a better demonstration of political cynicism mixed with blinding stupidity.

Which means she's responsible for the debased conversation that follows here. She's a rather one-dimensional personality. Even the part where she said "please don't ask me why I left the governorship." Yet she goes on to talk about being "bold" in confronting the war in Afghanistan? How can someone that's still bringing up her child Trig and went on to leave the governor's mansion be thought of as someone that can be Commander in Chief?

120 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:11:30pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

No. She is insignificant. This woman has completely blown any chance of a presidency. And I say, thank God for that.

From your lips to G-ds ears, but with Huckabee sliding into political purgatory over the Clemmons affair, you know the GOP (and the wingnuts currently infecting it) wants to eventually make her their standard bearer, barring anything catastrophic from their view.

121 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:12:53pm

"Oh by golly. I know I was so good in judging Levi Johnston's character I think I outta confront Iran and the Syrians."

/

122 erraticsphinx  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:13:00pm

In honor of Heart not allowing Palin to use their song, here's another good one:

Youtube Video
123 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:13:08pm

There's no doubt at all in my mind that she's going to be running for the presidency in 2012, unless she does something so incredibly dumb that even the GOP has to disavow her.

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

124 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:13:27pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't really work. She's happily married to man her own age, so the cougar part doesn't work. Just saying.

Give her a jousting lance and have her attack 1 megawatt windmills and name her "Dim Quit-o-tee".

125 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:13:50pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

A kid at heart, I see. Not a problem, carry on.

Rest assures, I shall proudly remain a child at heart even when I have 1 foot in the grave! By then, I fully expect to have the iPhone (or other similar super-advanced device) implanted in my hand, so that I never have to be without a disgusting or scary sound effect to freak out visitors to my death bed.

Morbid humor attempt over, will carry on now...

126 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:14:16pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Rifqa. I do hope Pam and Robert did not have a kid.

Ok... I am officially confused. You say you hope they didn't have a kid and then you mention some name (I guess Rifqa is a name). I don't know what you are talking about.

127 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:14:47pm

re: #112 Surabaya Stew

TMI!

128 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:14:50pm

re: #123 Charles

There's no doubt at all in my mind that she's going to be running for the presidency in 2012, unless she does something so incredibly dumb that even the GOP has to disavow her.

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

Well- Huckabee managed to, so you never know.

129 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:15:03pm

re: #123 Charles

There's no doubt at all in my mind that she's going to be running for the presidency in 2012, unless she does something so incredibly dumb that even the GOP has to disavow her.

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

We can only hope, excluding anything that would bring harm to her or her family.

130 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:15:03pm

re: #123 Charles

There's no doubt at all in my mind that she's going to be running for the presidency in 2012, unless she does something so incredibly dumb that even the GOP has to disavow her.

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

Women = 51% of the population.

131 BruceKelly  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:15:19pm

re: #114 karmic_inquisitor

His body, her brains.

Heh! beauty.

132 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:15:55pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Seriously. She just said in this interview that bringing up Obama's birth certificate would be fair game because some folks brought up Trig's birth certificate during the campaign. She essentially dragged her child into the conversation again when she could have simply left him out of it.

She's a professional victim. Little more than a grifter working a larger audience for a bigger score...and it's working for her. Her kids' education and stability is meaningless to her. She pulls them out of school whenever she needs them as props, then sends them back to live with dad after the photo ops are over.

133 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:16:06pm

re: #116 erraticsphinx

"You'll never see a better demonstration of political cynicism mixed with blinding stupidity."

This seems to be what the GOP wants its slogan to be.

I can't help but hear Alec Guinness as Obi-wan Kenobi delivering that line outside Mos Eisley.

/Stay on Target!

134 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:16:37pm

re: #123 Charles

There's no doubt at all in my mind that she's going to be running for the presidency in 2012, unless she does something so incredibly dumb that even the GOP has to disavow her.

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

I think she'll find it, though...

135 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:16:38pm

re: #130 cliffster

Women = 51% of the population.

Didn't work so well for HRC or McCain/Palin when the chips were down...

136 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:17:57pm

oh man, please let her be the republican candidate for president.

the debates alone would be comedy gold.

137 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:18:10pm

By the way, anyone who still thinks McCain used reason when he picked this pair of boobs to be his running mate ought to be schooled in the ways of pandering.

pander noun dated
a pimp.
• archaic a person who assists the baser urges or evil designs of others : the lowest panders of a venal press.

Which would make Sarah's role that of a strumpet. Look it up.

138 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:18:26pm

re: #130 cliffster

Women = 51% of the population.

Women who respect Sarah Palin = 15% of the population.

Men who respect (and/or drool over) Sarah Palin = 20% of the population.

139 BruceKelly  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:18:44pm

re: #123 Charles

Should could go "pro-choice" on Spencer's love child.

140 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:19:31pm

re: #130 cliffster

Women = 51% of the population.

Percentage of women with brains = much higher than you seem to acknowledge.

141 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:19:52pm

re: #123 Charles

There's no doubt at all in my mind that she's going to be running for the presidency in 2012, unless she does something so incredibly dumb that even the GOP has to disavow her.

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

She seems preoccupied with Levi Johnston...as if he's a threat to her...barring an out of season hunting accident at a photo shoot, he could be the key to bringing her down.

142 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:19:59pm

re: #130 cliffster

Women = 51% of the population.

A) She'll never get the Blue State women to vote for her.
B) She'll never get women in metropolitan areas to vote for her.
C) Women Democrats outnumber women Republicans.
D) That theory didn't work out so well in 2008.
E) She's a former VP candidate that lost.
F) She quit as being governor.
G) She has numerous ethics complaints as governor.
H) She still has the voodoo video out there including the question about the Alaska separatist group.
I) She's against abortion for even rape and incest.
...

143 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:20:00pm

re: #123 Charles

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

But doesn't it work like a double negative? When you do something dumb for an audience that is dumb, you get a positive. That is the only way I can explain her political momentum.

144 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:20:03pm

re: #138 Surabaya Stew

Women who respect Sarah Palin = 15% of the population.

Men who respect (and/or drool over) Sarah Palin = 20% of the population.

Well, then, you've got nothing to worry about.

145 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:20:19pm

re: #137 Cato the Elder

By the way, anyone who still thinks McCain used reason when he picked this pair of boobs to be his running mate ought to be schooled in the ways of pandering.

Which would make Sarah's role that of a strumpet. Look it up.

Strumpet is a synonym for prostitute.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:20:45pm

re: #117 cliffster

I'm sure you very much hope that's true.

Well, yes. I think Palin is incapable of running the United States, so I would not like to see her get up and try.

But seriously, where does she get the numbers from to win the primary, and where does she get the numbers from to win against a Democratic incumbent who's, well, smarter, better spoken, and a much better politician? I don't see it. No one wins on the basis of the far religious right alone--she may have them, but she's not going to have much of anyone else. And they may no longer love her by that time.

147 political lunatic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:20:45pm

That was inevitable. *sigh* Yet she's still relevant. What does she have to say to get the media to ignore this idiot?

148 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:20:55pm

re: #140 Cato the Elder

Percentage of women with brains = much higher than you seem to acknowledge.

Percentage of women with brains = higher than that for men, apparently.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:21:38pm

re: #120 talon_262

From your lips to G-ds ears, but with Huckabee sliding into political purgatory over the Clemmons affair, you know the GOP (and the wingnuts currently infecting it) wants to eventually make her their standard bearer, barring anything catastrophic from their view.

I don't think the leadership is so far gone as to try this. My best guess.

150 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:21:46pm

re: #144 cliffster

Women who respect Sarah Palin = 15% of the population.

Men who respect (and/or drool over) Sarah Palin = 20% of the population.

Well, then, you've got nothing to worry about.

Unless you're running for president in a GOP primary where 35% of the population makes up 85% of the party.

151 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:21:49pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Strumpet is a synonym for prostitute.

Exactly.

152 recusancy  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:21:50pm

re: #147 political lunatic

That was inevitable. *sigh* Yet she's still relevant. What does she have to say to get the media to ignore this idiot?

If it bleeds it leads and she's a 52 car pile up.

153 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:22:43pm

Sarah already did do something stupid enough to cost her the 2012 election.

She quit Alaska.

Sarah "Quitter" Palin 2012! doesn't sound so good.

154 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:23:30pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yes. I think Palin is incapable of running the United States, so I would not like to see her get up and try.

But seriously, where does she get the numbers from to win the primary, and where does she get the numbers from to win against a Democratic incumbent who's, well, smarter, better spoken, and a much better politician? I don't see it. No one wins on the basis of the far religious right alone--she may have them, but she's not going to have much of anyone else. And they may no longer love her by that time.

The primary she just might eek out a victory, due to the demographics of the GOP primary voters.

155 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:23:59pm

re: #150 darthstar

Unless you're running for president in a GOP primary where 35% of the population makes up 85% of the party.

The answer to that is either:

A. Expand the GOP so that such people form less of a percentage of it.

B. Find a candidate they respect more.

C. Ron Paul.

156 Bloodnok  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:24:06pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

Sarah already did do something stupid enough to cost her the 2012 election.

She quit Alaska.

Sarah "Quitter" Palin 2012! doesn't sound so good.

She's posting on Qwitter these days, isn't she?

157 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:24:38pm

re: #147 political lunatic

That was inevitable. *sigh* Yet she's still relevant. What does she have to say to get the media to ignore this idiot?

The media are all over her.

Thing is that the coverage was so unbalanced from the beginning (undeniably so) that she has immunity. Complete innoculation.

That is why I post "they're attacking Sarah" google searches from time to time. She is immune. The media did not kill her. Now they just feed her.

158 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:24:39pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

Sarah already did do something stupid enough to cost her the 2012 election.

She quit Alaska.

Sarah "Quitter" Palin 2012! doesn't sound so good.

The right has already completely forgotten that.

159 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:24:54pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Ron Paul!

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:25:01pm

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

Ok... I am officially confused. You say you hope they didn't have a kid and then you mention some name (I guess Rifqa is a name). I don't know what you are talking about.

Rifqa Bary, the young woman who ran away from her family in Ohio and hid out with the whacka church. Robert and Pam had a nice, hysterical rally about how much danger she was in. I was wondering why she was in danger right now. In their minds.

161 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:25:29pm

re: #156 Bloodnok

She's posting on Qwitter these days, isn't she?

Yes. She cant stop queeting.

162 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:25:40pm

Oh, since they're talking victory here.

She won't get the Hispanic vote.
She won't get the Jewish vote.
She won't get the black vote.
She won't get the GLBT vote.
She will never get the environmentalists.

Essentially she's the WASP candidate.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:26:39pm

re: #130 cliffster

Women = 51% of the population.

If the PUMAs didn't come through for her once, I don't see it happening next time either.

164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:26:40pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Oh, since they're talking victory here.

She won't get the Hispanic vote.
She won't get the Jewish vote.
She won't get the black vote.
She won't get the GLBT vote.
She will never get the environmentalists.

Essentially she's the WASP candidate.

Well of course she will, as far as they are concerned, she is the bees-knees.

165 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:27:38pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Well of course she will, as far as they are concerned, she is the bees-knees.

I get the feeling they're confusing Nielsen ratings with political capital.

166 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:27:47pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Strumpet is a synonym for prostitute.

And bringing things full circle, the word is employed in "Dumb and Dumber".

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:27:50pm

re: #136 SpaceJesus

oh man, please let her be the republican candidate for president.

the debates alone would be comedy gold.

"And for those of you playing the drinking game at home..."

168 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:27:55pm

re: #158 Charles

The right has already completely forgotten that.

They make excuses and justify it to themselves- she's just a victim. So she's not a quitter, but rather a martyr.

169 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:28:33pm

re: #158 Charles

The right has already completely forgotten that.

They already forgot about Huckabee and what happened in Washington.

170 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:28:55pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think the leadership is so far gone as to try this. My best guess.

While her resignation as governor of Alaska should be a huge black mark against her, I'm sure the wingnuts are going to try everything they can to "rehabilitate" her public image in time for 2012. They'll have no qualms about steamrolling Steele to get her to the primaries, because now that Huckabee's political ship is sinking, she's the only other candidate to get the "base" fired up (without that "unpleasant" Mormonism that Romney is involved with).

They're gonna try it, just watch...

171 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:29:10pm

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Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.


She's just plain stupid.

172 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:29:22pm

re: #165 Gus 802

I get the feeling they're confusing Nielsen ratings with political capital.

Its a common mistake. Lots of people watch WWE wrestling, but that doesn't mean they want to elect a wrestler as... Oops, bad example. ;)

173 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:29:28pm

re: #158 Charles

The right has already completely forgotten that.

Unfortunately...

174 recusancy  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:29:38pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Oh, since they're talking victory here.

She won't get the Hispanic vote.
She won't get the Jewish vote.
She won't get the black vote.
She won't get the GLBT vote.
She will never get the environmentalists.

Essentially she's the WASP candidate.

No republican will get any of those.

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:29:40pm

re: #141 darthstar

She seems preoccupied with Levi Johnston...as if he's a threat to her...barring an out of season hunting accident at a photo shoot, he could be the key to bringing her down.

He appears to have gone rogue.

I honestly doubt that he's got anything real on her, though.

176 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:30:10pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Oh, since they're talking victory here.

She won't get the Hispanic vote.
She won't get the Jewish vote.
She won't get the black vote.
She won't get the GLBT vote.
She will never get the environmentalists.

Essentially she's the WASP candidate.

Nope.

She's the white-supremacist, grievance-driven, scared-of-brown-people, trailer-trash, iron-fisting, rodant, savage, real-west, Bible-thumping, leg-humping, mendacity-pumping candidate of the semi-autoeroticism crowd.

Did I mention I don't like her?

177 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:30:21pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

They make excuses and justify it to themselves- she's just a victim. So she's not a quitter, but rather a martyr.

Does she bake good martyr cookies?

178 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:30:23pm

re: #142 Gus 802

A)
F) She quit as being governor.
...

The quitting thing, put the final nail in her political coffin for me.

179 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:30:28pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

He appears to have gone rogue.

I honestly doubt that he's got anything real on her, though.

Levi is still a putz...

180 political lunatic  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:30:53pm

re: #157 karmic_inquisitor

Unbalanced?! She was going to get a lot of press for being a wingnut no matter what. This isn't because of "liberal" media, it's because Palin brought a lot of this on herself and it was obvious that McCain picked a crazy VP candidate within 2 weeks. (although he wanted Lieberman...)

181 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:31:03pm

re: #174 recusancy

No republican will get any of those.

The first two aren't that difficult for a mainstream Republican.

182 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:31:15pm

re: #176 Cato the Elder

Nope.

She's the white-supremacist, grievance-driven, scared-of-brown-people, trailer-trash, iron-fisting, rodant, savage, real-west, Bible-thumping, leg-humping, mendacity-pumping candidate of the semi-autoeroticism crowd.

Did I mention I don't like her?

Every day, Cato, every day. But these days I don't like her.

183 Girth  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:31:42pm

/Smacks forehead

It literally hurts me, I have physical, spiritual and emotional pains due to the fact that my father and my sister think that Palin is the GOPs next big thing.

184 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:12pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

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She's just plain stupid.

There it is. She keeps bringing up Trig.

Sometimes I wonder why we're even having this conversation. Are people that thick that they see this blockhead as being presidential material?

185 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:13pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

He appears to have gone rogue.

I honestly doubt that he's got anything real on her, though.

Even really stupid kids know how to use the video camera on their cell phones.

186 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:16pm

I liked her at first. But this is not productive.

Good night

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:22pm

re: #158 Charles

The right has already completely forgotten that.

Has the Republican mainstream?

188 recusancy  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:41pm

re: #181 Gus 802

The first two aren't that difficult for a mainstream Republican.

Jews vote like somewhere around 60/40 for dems.
Hispanics probably aren't going to go to the right for a long time since the immigration reforms came up. I think they're somewhere around 60/40 for dems too.

189 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:41pm

re: #179 talon_262

Levi is still a putz...

Considering that 'putz' is Yiddish for 'dick' (as in penis), calling him that is especially apt. Given that his claim to fame is who he knocked up.

190 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:46pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Oh, since they're talking victory here.

She won't get the Hispanic vote.
She won't get the Jewish vote.
She won't get the black vote.
She won't get the GLBT vote.
She will never get the environmentalists.

Essentially she's the WASP candidate.

Which is ironic, because when we usually think about WASP's, they're not the class of folk who would vote Palin anyway! (I'm talking about the upper-class ones; it's hard for me to think of rural "values-voters" as WASP's.) Not because they're Dems, (they're often GOP'ers but because they have (or are supposed to have) something which used to be known as standards! Standards preclude voting for unqualified people for POTUS.

191 Girth  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:53pm

re: #169 Gus 802

They already forgot about Huckabee and what happened in Washington.

I'm waiting to hear what my aunt thinks about the Huckster. She's a fundie and has been a staunch Huckabee supporter.

192 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:32:53pm

re: #162 Gus 802

I disagree. She's the evangelical discovery institute candidate want to be!

193 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:33:29pm

re: #180 political lunatic

Unbalanced?! She was going to get a lot of press for being a wingnut no matter what. This isn't because of "liberal" media, it's because Palin brought a lot of this on herself and it was obvious that McCain picked a crazy VP candidate within 2 weeks. (although he wanted Lieberman...)

McCain picked Palin for one reason and only one reason -- to placate the religious right. James Dobson was going to tell his millions of acolytes not to vote for McCain because of his moderate (read: not completely crazy) stance on abortion. Palin is a hardcore fundamentalist raised as a Pentecostal; she served the purpose. Dobson gave McCain his endorsement.

And they lost.

194 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:33:48pm

re: #192 Floral Giraffe

I disagree. She's the evangelical discovery institute candidate want to be!

But! She said eons and eons in the interview.

That's basically like Carl Sagan saying billions and billions.

/

195 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:34:02pm

re: #176 Cato the Elder

Nope.

She's the white-supremacist, grievance-driven, scared-of-brown-people, trailer-trash, iron-fisting, rodant, savage, real-west, Bible-thumping, leg-humping, mendacity-pumping candidate of the semi-autoeroticism crowd.

Did I mention I don't like her?

Did you? I must have missed that part. Could you please repeat?

196 darthstar  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:34:06pm

re: #183 Girth

/Smacks forehead

It literally hurts me, I have physical, spiritual and emotional pains due to the fact that my father and my sister think that Palin is the GOPs next big thing.

One of my brothers is a lawyer who thinks both Palin and Bachmann are smart women with real ideas. I tell him when he says this that lawyers are supposed to be critical thinkers.

197 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:34:13pm

re: #184 Gus 802

Are people that thick that they see this blockhead as being presidential material?


Sadly, yes.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:34:26pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Oh, since they're talking victory here.

She won't get the Hispanic vote.
She won't get the Jewish vote.
She won't get the black vote.
She won't get the GLBT vote.
She will never get the environmentalists.

Essentially she's the WASP candidate.

She'd be wise to start courting the Latino vote early, but she actually seems sort of queasy about the idea that there are Americans with a different culture from her own, so that could be hard. Bush may have had lousy Spanish, but he understood the culture and was willing to stand up and smile.

199 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:34:43pm

re: #186 Ojoe

I liked her at first. But this is not productive.

Good night

G'Night...

200 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:34:44pm

re: #180 political lunatic

Unbalanced?! She was going to get a lot of press for being a wingnut no matter what. This isn't because of "liberal" media, it's because Palin brought a lot of this on herself and it was obvious that McCain picked a crazy VP candidate within 2 weeks. (although he wanted Lieberman...)

You know, I kind of feel sorry for John McCain, because he was saddled with Palin because of the RR threatening to pull their support because he wasn't "conservative" enough...we now know how he must have felt by the end of the campaign, because he got f**ked over first.

201 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:34:54pm

P.S. keep Palin away from the Whig Party.

Good night again.

202 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:35:09pm

re: #190 Surabaya Stew

Which is ironic, because when we usually think about WASP's, they're not the class of folk who would vote Palin anyway! (I'm talking about the upper-class ones; it's hard for me to think of rural "values-voters" as WASP's.) Not because they're Dems, (they're often GOP'ers but because they have (or are supposed to have) something which used to be known as standards! Standards preclude voting for unqualified people for POTUS.

Ah the Blue Bloods. My ex-gf came from that stock. Friend of the Buckley's. The mom was actually a very strong environmentalist. Life longs Republicans but of the Yale variety. You're right.

203 Girth  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:35:24pm

re: #196 darthstar

One of my brothers is a lawyer who thinks both Palin and Bachmann are smart women with real ideas. I tell him when he says this that lawyers are supposed to be critical thinkers.

Yeah my dad likes Bachmann too. Thanks for reminding me, dick.

/

204 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:35:53pm

re: #201 Ojoe

P.S. keep Palin away from the Whig Party.

Good night again.

Palin wouldn't know a whig from a merkin.

205 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:36:14pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

She'd be wise to start courting the Latino vote early, but she actually seems sort of queasy about the idea that there are Americans with a different culture from her own, so that could be hard. Bush may have had lousy Spanish, but he understood the culture and was willing to stand up and smile.

That's the thing. George W. Bush did get a good deal of Hispanic votes. And it was his own personal connection with Hispanics.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:36:35pm

re: #174 recusancy

No republican will get any of those.

A share of the Latino vote is achievable, if the GOP works its collective buns off to get it.

207 BruceKelly  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:37:33pm

late night last night + early morning this morning = good night.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:38:03pm

re: #183 Girth

/Smacks forehead

It literally hurts me, I have physical, spiritual and emotional pains due to the fact that my father and my sister think that Palin is the GOPs next big thing.

Go to a chiropractor, and try to move on with your life. This too shall pass.

209 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:38:58pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

A share of the Latino vote is achievable, if the GOP works its collective buns off to get it.

GWB had made good progress towards that effect, until the GOP pissed it away in 2006 and 2008.

210 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:39:02pm

I don't care what the polls are showing. The GOP has nest to no chance of winning the Presidency any time soon. None.

211 recusancy  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:39:12pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

A share of the Latino vote is achievable, if the GOP works its collective buns off to get it.

A share but not a majority.

212 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:39:13pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

She'd be wise to start courting the Latino vote early, but she actually seems sort of queasy about the idea that there are Americans with a different culture from her own, so that could be hard. Bush may have had lousy Spanish, but he understood the culture and was willing to stand up and smile.

In that respect, W was the genuine article, because of his personal experience...very few national GOP pols could even hope to pull as many Latinos into the GOP as W did, Palin included.

213 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:39:19pm

Goodnight all.
Thanks for the information & the giggles.
See you soon!

214 Girth  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:39:25pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

A share of the Latino vote is achievable, if the GOP works its collective buns off to get it.

The Latino community should be fertile ground for conservative ideas, except for the significant portion of the GOP who would like to ask all brown people for ID because they might be furriners.

215 nickzi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:41:22pm

The more I see of Palin, the harder it gets to believe that she occupies any part of reality. Am I going to wake up some day and discover that it was all a dream, presumably generated by excessive cheese, or moose, or some unknown hallucinogen that I ingested unawares? Why can't I get the good dreams.. the ones in Hawaii, on the beach, with cocktails and the sound of the surf? Why do I have to get a rabid kook who is so profoundly repellent that it isn't even funny any more?

216 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:41:23pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

A share of the Latino vote is achievable, if the GOP works its collective buns off to get it.

True, but Palin is too insular to try working at it. She's never had to deal with people that different from her before, and she's showing no signs of trying now. For a presidential candidate that would normally count as an EPIC FAIL, but Sarah Palin is already such a failure as a candidate for other reasons.

217 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:41:38pm

re: #193 Charles

McCain picked Palin for one reason and only one reason -- to placate the religious right. James Dobson was going to tell his millions of acolytes not to vote for McCain because of his moderate (read:not completely crazy) stance on abortion. Palin is a hardcore fundamentalist raised as a Pentecostal; she served the purpose. Dobson gave McCain his endorsement.

And they lost.

I hope, before I die, that the GOP fields a candidate who tells the religious right to hit the road - accept a secular conservative or go Bull Moose. I doubt I will ever see that. I am equally convinced that no social conservative will ever execute policies that expand personal liberties while containing government. They are just a long line of Hukabees. Divided government is our only hope.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:42:00pm

re: #184 Gus 802

There it is. She keeps bringing up Trig.

Sometimes I wonder why we're even having this conversation. Are people that thick that they see this blockhead as being presidential material?

Trig has played a far bigger role in all this than one could reasonably expect from a child under two. I do wonder what he'll do next.

219 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:43:13pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

True, but Palin is too insular to try working at it. She's never had to deal with people that different from her before, and she's showing no signs of trying now.

Uh- how do you know that?

220 recusancy  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:44:04pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

True, but Palin is too insular to try working at it. She's never had to deal with people that different from her before, and she's showing no signs of trying now. For a presidential candidate that would normally count as an EPIC FAIL, but Sarah Palin is already such a failure as a candidate for other reasons.

She did say she has a gay best friend.

221 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:44:13pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

Trig has played a far bigger role in all this than one could reasonably expect from a child under two. I do wonder what he'll do next.

Just wait till Trig's old enough/able to walk and be trotted out in front of the cameras every chance Sarah gets...it's enough to make me wanna retch.

/my G-d, Cato's rubbing off on me... ;-P

222 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:45:48pm

re: #219 Sharmuta

Uh- how do you know that?

I'm basing it off her actions. She hasn't started any form of outreach and she has a good chance to do so.

223 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:46:14pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Ah the Blue Bloods. My ex-gf came from that stock. Friend of the Buckley's. The mom was actually a very strong environmentalist. Life longs Republicans but of the Yale variety. You're right.

Yes, perhaps that is a better term for them! My grade school was in the heart of the Upper East Side, so I got to know something about those folks. (I swear, on some blocks between the Park and Masison, you could smell the money!) Recall the pro-environment stand vividly along with gun-control support, if my childhood mind remembers correctly. Am sure most of them were Republicans, usually because their Great-Great-Grandfather had left the Democratic party during the Civil War (due to Copperheads) and they didn't want to betray his memory.

224 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:46:20pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

Trig has played a far bigger role in all this than one could reasonably expect from a child under two. I do wonder what he'll do next.

Sometimes the best way to stop a conversation is to politely ignore it. If her family truly is private then she needs to stop bringing them up in her interviews and especially stop mentioning them on Facebook. We actually know less about the Obama children and that's how it should be. Not a good sign at all.

225 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:46:27pm

The Palin/Birther thing is all over the news and blogs already. She's sunk.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:46:33pm

re: #212 talon_262

In that respect, W was the genuine article, because of his personal experience...very few national GOP pols could even hope to pull as many Latinos into the GOP as W did, Palin included.

I think it's partly the other way around--because of his personal experience, W felt comfortable trying. I think Latino voters would respond well to someone who had less experience with the culture, but addressed them directly, and was clearly trying.

227 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:46:48pm

In other shocking reports: Earth is pretty much spherical rather than flat, and orbits around the sun. Whoa.

228 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:47:33pm

re: #193 Charles


Dobson gave McCain his endorsement.

And they lost.

And here I thought that the So-Con/Religious Right endorsement was exactly what the Republican party needed to win elections.

Someone lied to me.
/

229 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:47:45pm

re: #213 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight all.
Thanks for the information & the giggles.
See you soon!

Good Night...just remember: don't giggle while you gargle...
;-)

230 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:48:05pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

I don't care what the polls are showing. The GOP has nest to no chance of winning the Presidency any time soon. None.

Possibly. If Obama can do well in the next 3 years, he'll likely win re-election. If some poo hits a fan or two, and the GOP nominates someone half-way normal like a Romney, then the GOP could win.

Hard to know, the future is. /Yoda mode off

231 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:48:35pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

The Palin/Birther thing is all over the news and blogs already. She's sunk.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Anyone who can't muster the nerve to tell the birthers they're wrong has no business being president.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:48:49pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

I'm basing it off her actions. She hasn't started any form of outreach and she has a good chance to do so.

Is "Going Rogue" available in Spanish?

233 cliffster  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:48:49pm

This should be a really interesting next couple of years. The GOP is certain to suffer even more losses in 2010, and Sarah Palin is a joke who's not to be taken seriously in 2012.

234 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:49:53pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

Is "Going Rogue" available in Spanish?

I believe the working title is "Mia Vida Loca".

Spelling mistake included.

235 Girth  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:49:56pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

Is "Going Rogue" available in Spanish?

No, it's only in English, like all the other great founding documents of our great nation.

///

236 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:50:33pm

re: #223 Surabaya Stew

Yes, perhaps that is a better term for them! My grade school was in the heart of the Upper East Side, so I got to know something about those folks. (I swear, on some blocks between the Park and Masison, you could smell the money!) Recall the pro-environment stand vividly along with gun-control support, if my childhood mind remembers correctly. Am sure most of them were Republicans, usually because their Great-Great-Grandfather had left the Democratic party during the Civil War (due to Copperheads) and they didn't want to betray his memory.

Her folks were from Englewood, NJ. The maternal grandfather was involved with Dwight-Englewood private school. Paternal was Secretary of Transportation in NJ. A lot of business people. Mothers side was originally from the Mayflower. They were all Republicans but of the old school Northeast stock. No pretensions for the most part. Cornell, Yale, Princeton, etc.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:50:49pm

re: #235 Girth

No, it's only in English, like all the other great founding documents of our great nation.

///

OK, that made me actually laugh out loud.

Good night everyone.

238 BlackFedora  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:51:59pm

"Anyone still wondering why I want nothing to do with the right wing?"

Two words:

Fuck no.

239 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:52:57pm

We'll have to see how the next few years go for Obama, but if he faces a challenge for the nomination in 2012 from within the democrat ranks, that might be a sign the gop could take back the White House.

240 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:53:17pm

Final thought as I drift off to sleep:

If Sarah Palin did not exist, the DNC would be obliged to invent her.

241 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:54:11pm

re: #227 negativ

In other shocking reports: Earth is pretty much spherical rather than flat, and orbits around the sun. Whoa.

There are some folks out there who would beg to differ. Even worse, there's a second group out there, the founder of which had an unusual name...

242 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:54:43pm

re: #240 Cato the Elder

Final thought as I drift off to sleep:

If Sarah Palin did not exist, the DNC would be obliged to invent her.

and those pesky barbary pirates

243 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:54:57pm

re: #240 Cato the Elder

Final thought as I drift off to sleep:

If Sarah Palin did not exist, the DNC would be obliged to invent her.

But no invention would be as damaging to the Republican Party as she is proving to be.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight, all.

244 Girth  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:55:07pm

re: #239 Sharmuta

We'll have to see how the next few years go for Obama, but if he faces a challenge for the nomination in 2012 from within the democrat ranks, that might be a sign the gop could take back the White House.

I couldn't see that happening except for maybe someone like Kucinich, and it just wouldn't go anywhere.

245 Racer X  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:56:50pm

re: #240 Cato the Elder

Final thought as I drift off to sleep:

If Sarah Palin did not exist, the DNC would be obliged to invent her.

Great.

You just had to start a new conspiracy theory.

246 Vercimber  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:58:05pm

Please let this woman be the 2012 candidate. With it being the end of the world and all, at least we'll go out with a laugh.

247 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 10:58:13pm

re: #244 Girth

I couldn't see that happening except for maybe someone like Kucinich, and it just wouldn't go anywhere.

I was thinking a 1980 Carter/Kennedy situation, but only if the economy is poor or there is an attack on the homeland. If the economy is improved and we've remained safe, I don't know why Obama would face a challenge for the nomination. I mention this only as a possible sign the gop could win in 2012. We're too far out to say at this point what will happen.

248 Gus  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:01:37pm

re: #247 Sharmuta

I was thinking a 1980 Carter/Kennedy situation, but only if the economy is poor or there is an attack on the homeland. If the economy is improved and we've remained safe, I don't know why Obama would face a challenge for the nomination. I mention this only as a possible sign the gop could win in 2012. We're too far out to say at this point what will happen.

Still can't discount Pawlenty, Romney, or Jindal. I know we all have philosophical questions and scientific objections to them but so far they are the remaining mainstream candidates for 2012. No predictions and there are other variables involved. I'm pretty sure the economy will be in full recovery by then and I doubt cap and trade will ever be passed since that's picking up opposition from environmentalists.

249 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:03:39pm

re: #236 Gus 802

Her folks were from Englewood, NJ. The maternal grandfather was involved with Dwight-Englewood private school. Paternal was Secretary of Transportation in NJ. A lot of business people. Mothers side was originally from the Mayflower. They were all Republicans but of the old school Northeast stock. No pretensions for the most part. Cornell, Yale, Princeton, etc.

Yes, sounds like you got to know them pretty well. (Once high school started for me, the UES was replaced by Forest Hills and Downtown Brooklyn, thus the BB's slowly faded from my life) The genuine article (as opposed to the poser wanna-be Blue Bloods that abound in large numbers) are actually pretty interesting (and powerful) people. There's actually an sense of odd sense of modesty with them, as entering a less than first-tier university is out of the question, politness and formality are de rigeur, and intellectual qualities in people are always respected, even if they are disagreed with.

OK, so they may be still be rich pricks, but I'll take them any day over the motley crew running the GOP!

250 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:04:25pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Night, DF.

251 recusancy  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:05:22pm

re: #247 Sharmuta

I was thinking a 1980 Carter/Kennedy situation, but only if the economy is poor or there is an attack on the homeland. If the economy is improved and we've remained safe, I don't know why Obama would face a challenge for the nomination. I mention this only as a possible sign the gop could win in 2012. We're too far out to say at this point what will happen.

Quick hypothetical... Do you think that, if there were no term limits, and Bush decided to run for a third term, he would have been primaried? Or would the right have rallied behind their guy?

252 Girth  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:05:43pm

re: #248 Gus 802

Still can't discount Pawlenty, Romney, or Jindal. I know we all have philosophical questions and scientific objections to them but so far they are the remaining mainstream candidates for 2012. No predictions and there are other variables involved. I'm pretty sure the economy will be in full recovery by then and I doubt cap and trade will ever be passed since that's picking up opposition from environmentalists.

Jobs. That's all anyone's gonna care about in 2012. If the jobs are there, Obama's got another term. If not, he's gonna have a real hard time.

253 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:07:19pm

re: #227 negativ

Heliocentrist! A heretic I tell ya!!!

254 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:10:00pm

re: #240 Cato the Elder

Indeed. She's a democratic wet dream. Sorry for the imagery.

255 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:11:07pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's partly the other way around--because of his personal experience, W felt comfortable trying. I think Latino voters would respond well to someone who had less experience with the culture, but addressed them directly, and was clearly trying.

Exactly...

256 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:11:37pm

re: #251 recusancy

Quick hypothetical... Do you think that, if there were no term limits, and Bush decided to run for a third term, he would have been primaried? Or would the right have rallied behind their guy?

He would have been unopposed.

257 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:19:26pm

re: #251 recusancy

Quick hypothetical... Do you think that, if there were no term limits, and Bush decided to run for a third term, he would have been primaried? Or would the right have rallied behind their guy?

Primaried, yes. Might have lost, too. By mid-2007, GWB was no longer capable of exciting the base; the disastrous 2006 mid-terms really had hurt his credibility and his ability to rally 90% of the GOP behind him. Needless to say, even if he survived the primary, Obama (or Hillary) would have whipped his butt anyway. It just wasn't the GOP's time anymore, after all their broken promises to the voters.

258 barflytom  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:25:29pm

If another female with a similar life story to hers was a leftie, they would be praised to the sky by the MSM. She's actually made something of herself without being from a priviledged background, and unlike Obama, has actually held quite a few real jobs before going into politics. She has a point, in saying that Obama's past and his associations with some pretty dubious characters was hardly examined at all during the campaign. A point that LGF was making a year or so ago IIRC.

259 BunnyThief  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:26:03pm

re: #193 Charles

McCain picked Palin for one reason and only one reason -- to placate the religious right. James Dobson was going to tell his millions of acolytes not to vote for McCain because of his moderate (read: not completely crazy) stance on abortion. Palin is a hardcore fundamentalist raised as a Pentecostal; she served the purpose. Dobson gave McCain his endorsement.

And they lost.

I'd have to disagree that there was only one reason. Palin -- on paper, at least -- brought a few more things to the table:

As a woman, she had some appeal to the PUMAs who were still liking Hillary and furious with Obama.

And she had actual executive experience on her resume, which could not be said about Obama, McCain, or Biden.

In theory, she could have given McCain a real boost.

But theory is always trumped by reality...

260 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:28:41pm

re: #258 barflytom

31 comments in 4 years?!?

GAZE

261 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Dec 3, 2009 11:45:41pm

re: #258 barflytom

Unfortunately for the GOP, politically speaking, Palin turned out to be a steaming turd...it took her and McCain losing the election to out the truth.

262 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:01am

re: #123 Charles

There's no doubt at all in my mind that she's going to be running for the presidency in 2012, unless she does something so incredibly dumb that even the GOP has to disavow her.

And it's nearly impossible to imagine something that dumb.

Her campaign will last until the first person asks, "If elected, will you quit in the middle of your term if things aren't going the way you like?"

In other words, about three minutes.

I don't know if she'll run. Maybe. She seems to be taking on the role of professional gadfly at the moment, and at the rate she's going that's going to burn itself out in a hurry. A Presidential run might be mounted as more of a publicity stunt, to bolster what by then will be near obscurity, but I can't see her mounting a serious effort.

She can't even manage a friggin' book signing, apparently.

263 nickzi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:15:38am

People talk about Palin's executive "experience" without ever examining her record as an executive. One might point out that she left Wasilla with a considerably higher public debt and a disastrously badly located (and unwanted) sports complex. Her tenure as governor was marked mostly by talking about being bipartisan and ethical, and in practice running a corrupt form of crony capitalism. The saga of the Mat-Maid scandal is particularly instructive here:

[Link: www.andrewhalcro.com...]

Her much-touted pipeline has gone nowhere, and may well never go anywhere. In sum, Palin may claim experience - but not much in the way of success or competence. Funny, how these things always get missed out by the Palin pumpers.

264 Lidane  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:02:05am

re: #107 Charles

You'll never see a better demonstration of political cynicism mixed with blinding stupidity.

And that, in a nutshell, perfectly summarizes the McCain campaign's decision to choose Palin as VP.

I lost a lot of respect for John McCain after that. I don't think I'll ever forgive the man for inflicting this woman on the rest of us.

265 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:05:34am

She's acute.

266 jayzee  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 4:27:43am
Anyone still wondering why I want nothing to do with the right wing?


Actually I do. I can understand why you want nothing to do with Palin. Same goes with Beck, and Paul and other loons out there, but I don't think these people are the right wing and they won't make me change my beliefs because they are being associated with it. By the same token, I won't vote for someone just because they are from my political party. Any candidate needs to earn my vote.

I also think this all started with Paul's presidential campaign and had the RNC cut this man out then, we wouldn't be seeing a lot of the issues we have today with a loony fringe.

267 anamika  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 5:19:42am

Apparently she hasn't learned anything from her past experiences on how to handle simple(but oh, so potentially tricky) interview questions, even from that of friendly media personalities.

Her facebook face saving post is not gonna help, she is on tape. What next? She is gonna blame Rusty for asking "gotcha" questions, like she did with Katie and Charlie?

268 garhighway  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 5:48:08am

re: #259 BunnyThief

Agree. At the time, I thought it was a two-fer: a play for the Hilary voter AND a bone to the right wing. Frankly, had she performed better, it might have worked out well for them. But the Couric interview, followed by the SNL parodies showed her to be a dunderhead, and she never did anything to refute that.

The pick also showed a lack of coordination at the RNC: they had been doing talking points about various Democratic VP potential candidates (Va Gov lacked sufficient experience to be VP) that they had to eat, and they went way out on a limb with their attempts to justify her lack of a resume (being Gov of Alaska = foreign policy experience) and made themselves look stupid.

All of that would have gone by the boards had she delivered the goods, but when she turned out to be less-than-smart, it was all for nothing.

269 anamika  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 6:16:33am

Christian Heinze of the republican blog GOP12 writes:

Is this what happens when you've been in an echo chamber for weeks, and think you can get away with saying anything?

Indeed. That seems to be the case here.

270 Larisa  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 6:43:25am

But won't the people who believe in leprechauns, aliens, flat-earth theory, and such feel snubbed if their questions are not answered as well? Just saying...


PS I am new to this and am entirely confused by the commentary system... cut me some slack (or a slice of leprechaun)

271 lrsshadow  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 7:20:59am

I am still on the right and I wish Charles would come back. It has been my belief that you pick a side you are more closely aligned with and then fight within that group to make positive changes.

If the right continues to have people just give up on it and not want to fight back against the "shock jock" political palaver and idiots, then we are going to be left with a completely dysfunctional right and a left that has run the train right off the bridge.

What the right needs now is not more Becks, what we need is more Pete Hegseth, Dennis Prager, and Bill Bennett. A good common sense orator with the ability to debate and communicate effectively.

I think the problem we have is this country is a result of people throwing their hands in the air and saying I have had it with the right, or I have had it with the left. Then they don't get involved in either party and the crazies get to continue the insane asylum because they are the only ones left in the party.

I would strongly suggest that any of you on this site who want to make a difference; go to your local BPOU (basic political organization unit), either Democrat or Republican and get yourself elected as a delegate to your party. Then start to make change from the inside. Most states have less then 1000 delegates in each party that actually turn out to vote at the state conventions. If you could sit as little as 100 delegates in a state you could have dramatic effect upon the politics.

272 St. Louisville Cards  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 7:38:28am

re: #8 Racer X

Please, someone please tell her the truth. She is no longer relevant. It's time to just go away.

The problem is she is relevant. The 20-30% (maybe higher) of the Republican party that is the religious right will vote for her, both in the primary and possibly as an independent.
I think she alone will be the biggest factor in Obama getting a second term. Yay, more big government waste.

273 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 7:51:02am

can someone point out the articles that discuss why obama's birth cert should not be an issue? i could produce mine if asked. i dont understand why he is resistant to producing his.

274 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 7:52:03am

re: #273 yoshicastmaster

Obama has produced his birth certificate.

275 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 7:53:38am

re: #273 yoshicastmaster

Was wondering when they'd show up.
It has been produced. Next.

276 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #275 Varek Raith

lol- i got down-voted for asking an honest question. seriously?

"oh no! someone's asking questions about the article!"

and who is this 'they'?

anyways, anyone care to link me to this knowledge that is so obvious that how dare I not have it?

277 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:01:46am

re: #276 yoshicastmaster

Why? You'd just ignore it.
Here it is anyway.

278 St. Louisville Cards  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:01:56am

I think a lot of the complaints on here about the right, are about the far right and religious right. Do I think the far right has too much influence on the GOP, absolutely, but I know lots of people in the GOP or on the right who are sane rational people, who believe in limited government and personal freedoms.
The right is not all Becks, Palins, and Dobsons; just as the left is not full of Olbermans, Thom Hartmans, and Mike Malloys.

279 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:05:00am

re: #276 yoshicastmaster

Are you incapable of using google?

Obama's Birth Certificate

And you did not get dinged down for asking questions, you got a dingdown from me for asking a stupid question you could answer for yourself with a google search.

280 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:05:52am

re: #279 Sharmuta

Are you incapable of using google?

Obama's Birth Certificate

And you did not get dinged down for asking questions, you got a dingdown from me for asking a stupid question you could answer for yourself with a google search.

Ten seconds, at the most...

281 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:07:12am

re: #277 Varek Raith

ok- I don't understand the reaction here. Well, I think I do. But you're happy to tell me all about myself... because I asked a question?

I didn't even criticize the discussion. I just asked a question and provided the basis of my question. Feel free to explain why that's so harmful. And why you then can tell me all about how I'll react.

On a related note, thanks for the link.

282 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #281 yoshicastmaster

You are getting flack because of your seemingly willful ignorance.

283 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:09:26am

re: #279 Sharmuta

I did run a search- didn't see the link provided. I thought the community here would be glad to provide this information, since it's so clearly at their fingertips.

I wont make the same mistake in judging this community's disposition towards other members. Sorry for assuming you'd be glad to be helpful and provide information.

284 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:11:00am

re: #283 yoshicastmaster

The birth certificate has been an issue for how long, and you're just now looking for a link? I think you're full of it.

285 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:11:08am

I reacted the way I did because this nonsensical issue has been obliterated. That, and we at LGF have played this 'just asking a question' game with others before.

286 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:11:55am

ps go ahead and type in "obama produce birth certificate" in google.

I looked it over before asking and didn't see anything too helpful.

At least you're very vigorous in letting me know where not to ask for help.

287 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #286 yoshicastmaster

You've been given a link twice.

288 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:13:13am

re: #284 Sharmuta

Yes, I can see that. I'm not. But you clearly think I am.

On another related note, at least I'm moving faster toward my 50 comment minimum for rating comments via this thread.

289 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:13:55am

re: #287 Sharmuta

already looked at it- like I said before, thanks for the link.

290 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:15:04am

re: #288 yoshicastmaster

You're trying to tell us that until this morning, you had never known Obama HAD produced his birth certificate? It's a pretty long stretch of the imagination to think you've missed this news for a year and a half.

291 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:16:38am

re: #286 yoshicastmaster

The very first one using your terms in google.

292 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:17:48am

re: #291 Varek Raith

Somehow I think your helpfulness won't be appreciated.

293 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:18:02am

re: #291 Varek Raith

yeah i just looked at titles to decide on content and it looked like a lot of the 'where is it?' mumbo jumbo

294 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:18:34am

Google is hard- so very many links to check once the results come back, you know.

295 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:06am

re: #293 yoshicastmaster
From the 'mumbo jumbo';

Claim: A Certification of Live Birth document provided by the Obama campaign is a forgery.

FALSE

Therefor, the document provided by the Obama campaign = Official = True = this conspiracy vaporized.

296 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:11am

re: #292 Sharmuta

see- at this point you guys are just distrustful of anybody. i mean, you must see that.

I've been aware of this 'issue' for a while but never paid much attention to it. Because I never really cared. Apparently that makes me unappreciative and full of it. Feel free to notice who which side of this discussion resorted to personal comments first. And which side never did.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:23:38am

re: #258 barflytom

If another female with a similar life story to hers was a leftie, they would be praised to the sky by the MSM. She's actually made something of herself without being from a priviledged background, and unlike Obama, has actually held quite a few real jobs before going into politics. She has a point, in saying that Obama's past and his associations with some pretty dubious characters was hardly examined at all during the campaign. A point that LGF was making a year or so ago IIRC.

Oh, so we're back to 'it's the MSM's fault'.

298 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:23:43am

re: #296 yoshicastmaster

Because you're excuses are not believable. You even have a poor excuse for why google didn't answer your questions- you can't click on links.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:26:15am

re: #264 Lidane

And that, in a nutshell, perfectly summarizes the McCain campaign's decision to choose Palin as VP.

I lost a lot of respect for John McCain after that. I don't think I'll ever forgive the man for inflicting this woman on the rest of us.

I have moved on. I think McCain was in a bad place. There was no way in hell he was going to win. His team didn't want to let him pick his preferred VP candidate. He got tired. Palin seemed like a bright gimmick. It wasn't smart, but I think I have to forgive him and get over it.

300 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:32:30am

re: #298 Sharmuta

Yeah the google headlines looked unhelpful so I didn't click on them. Thought I'd ask the community. I agree I could have searched more- the first link was apparently on topic!

But now I know better than to ask the community in such a situation. The response was bitter and distrustful and turned personal. Nice.

301 Lidane  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:35:40am

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

I have moved on. I think McCain was in a bad place. There was no way in hell he was going to win. His team didn't want to let him pick his preferred VP candidate. He got tired. Palin seemed like a bright gimmick. It wasn't smart, but I think I have to forgive him and get over it.

I've mostly gotten over it, but every time she says or does something stupid, like this blatant pandering to the nirther idiots, I get mad at him all over again. Even if he couldn't go with his preferred candidates of Lieberman or Ridge because of the religious right, that's no reason to go so far in the other direction that you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. =P

I honestly think one of the reasons he lost as badly as he did was because people saw right through the Palin pick for the desperation it was, and they voted accordingly. I had lifelong Republican and conservative friends either vote third party, vote Obama, or not vote at all after her selection, especially once it became obvious just how far out of her depth she was. It was stunning to me, but it showed just how bad of a VP pick she'd been.

302 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:35:48am

re: #300 yoshicastmaster

This community has a tendency to treat posters who ask for information in good faith with respect and links are provided.

However, when someone shows up looking for information that's long been available concerning a debunked kookspiracy, then this community tends to provide the information anyways- as was done with you.

If you don't like being treated like a Nirther- don't act like one.

303 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:36:22am

re: #300 yoshicastmaster

Not bitter, nor distrustful. Just wise to the game you're playing. ;)

304 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:36:50am

re: #300 yoshicastmaster

Yeah the google headlines looked unhelpful so I didn't click on them.

You have no one to blame for how you've been treated here except yourself. You are incapable of clicking links. Good luck at this site.

305 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:42:09am

None of the results looked helpful, so I ignored them all!

I think that's the best Nirther excuse I've seen yet.

306 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:44:02am

re: #301 Lidane

I've mostly gotten over it, but every time she says or does something stupid, like this blatant pandering to the nirther idiots, I get mad at him all over again.

I wonder if McCain realizes that people get mad at him when Sarah Palin talks out her ass. If he did, he might actually come forward and admit that she was a stupid choice. That could have two possible benefits: 1) he at least gets a little bit of control over his legacy again by apologizing for one of his own decisions publicly. and 2) it could take a little bit of the wind out of Sarah's sails. Sure, she'd still have Fox news, but the other networks would stop following her trying to get interviews she won't grant (because that's good press for her too).

307 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:49:30am

Wonder if Sarah knows that Queen Birther, Orly Taitz declared herself a friend and supporter of everyone's favorite CTer, Alex Jones. The Birthers to me are just another conspiracy nutgroup like the truthers. I would love to see someone preferably the guys who make South Park spoof them since they usually do a kick ass job of spoofing.

308 webevintage  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:55:10am

re: #293 yoshicastmaster

yeah i just looked at titles to decide on content and it looked like a lot of the 'where is it?' mumbo jumbo

I find that for pretty much any redonkuls claim about the President or Plain or anything the first place to look is factcheck.org
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

From there you can normally follow links to source documents.

309 William of Orange  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:58:53am

The GOP has a short memory when it comes to stupidity. This will be forgotten in a week, mark my words. (I expect it to eclipsed by more stupidity.)

310 William of Orange  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:00:57am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Wonder if Sarah knows that Queen Birther, Orly Taitz declared herself a friend and supporter of everyone's favorite CTer, Alex Jones. The Birthers to me are just another conspiracy nutgroup like the truthers. I would love to see someone preferably the guys who make South Park spoof them since they usually do a kick ass job of spoofing.


Cartman is a birther, I expect.

311 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:08:37am

re: #310 William of Orange

Cartman is a birther, I expect.

Ha, I had Cartman in mind as a birther.

312 Joanne  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:09:50am

re: #94 cliffster

If you are really this worked up about Palin, then you'd better start worrying. No matter how much you write her off as an insignificant moron, she's neither insignificant, nor a moron. And she gets a lot of votes for free, by virtue of people who would like to see the first female president.

Doubtful. I think Palin was selected because of the contentiousness of HRC not getting the nod and the McCain camp thinking that any vagina would do. Had McCain selected virtually anyone else (Lieberman, Mitt, Pawlenty) he would be POTUS now.

As to this Palin interview, her very next line was even better than her incoherent nirther nonsense:

--- PALIN: Hey, you know, that's a great point. That weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about, that Trig isn't my real son, a lot of people say, "Well, you need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove that he's your kid," which we have done, but yeah, so maybe we should reverse that and use the same type of thinking on the other one. ---

Totally presidential material. Like, seriously, and also too! ///

313 Joanne  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:19:26am

re: #312 JustJay

As an addendum, I could care less about her family, there's enough problems there to write books about, but in my eyes, if it doesn't impact the job, I don't care who's zooming who and all. But, IIRC, she never did release her son's BC. When the people who cared so much about that non-issue made it a big deal, she could have quashed it instantly, but didn't. I thought it was hysterical (in a Perez Hilton sort of way).

Sorry, but I find just about everything about this idiot amusing (in a terrifying way).

314 nickzi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:49:21am

"Had McCain selected virtually anyone else (Lieberman, Mitt, Pawlenty) he would be POTUS now."

Somehow, I doubt it. McCain had a brief lead after the usual convention bounce, but never looked like winning the election other than at that point. Seven points is a big loss by recent election standards. As for your contenders: none of them would have brought out the religious right, Pawlenty was an unknown outside Minnesota (and extremely dull), Romney remains a national joke even now (no position left unchanged), and Lieberman simply doesn't carry any independent credibility - which is why he scurried around as McCain's wingman. You also forget that McCain was a wretched stump speaker and performed badly in debates, as well as making himself look like an idiot by suspending his campaign. But hey, alternate reality is a nice place to live, and the bills aren't high.

315 Barflytom  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:53:29am

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, so we're back to 'it's the MSM's fault'.

Saying that the 'birther' issue is a 'fair question' isn't the cleverest thing, but she's right to say that their campaign let Obama off the hook on his ideology and Ayers/Wright/Rezko associations. The MSM obviously wasn't going to do the job for them, so in the sense that we got stuck with a president who would have been unelectable in a normal year, then yes, it is partly 'the MSM's fault'.

As far as I can tell, Palin has an unremarkable, but not disastrous record as governor, and is probably a reasonably able person, all of which is more than can be said for a lot of democrats in office. I don't see how you can argue that a lefty democrat with her level of ability wouldn't receive vastly better treatment from the media.

316 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:18:43am
317 jwr10x  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:21:07am

Now does anyone truly believe that the Clinton Machine had not examined this Birth Certificate question down to the atoms the paper was composed of and would have used it during during the campaign if they could discover anything they cold use?

That's all the proof I need that this is a non-issue.

318 recusancy  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #278 St. Louisville Cards

I think a lot of the complaints on here about the right, are about the far right and religious right. Do I think the far right has too much influence on the GOP, absolutely, but I know lots of people in the GOP or on the right who are sane rational people, who believe in limited government and personal freedoms.
The right is not all Becks, Palins, and Dobsons; just as the left is not full of Olbermans, Thom Hartmans, and Mike Malloys.

I'm on the left and I don't even know who Thom Hartman and Mike Malloy are. That's how much influence they have.

319 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:25:20am

Dearest Sarah

re-arrange these words to form my opinion...

Off Right F&CK

320 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:27:14am

re: #317 jwr10x

Now does anyone truly believe that the Clinton Machine had not examined this Birth Certificate question down to the atoms the paper was composed of and would have used it during during the campaign if they could discover anything they cold use?

That's all the proof I need that this is a non-issue.

That's actually something I never thought about. Makes sense though.

321 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:28:40am

re: #318 recusancy

Thom Hartman and Molloy are/were syndicated radio hosts who have both appeared on Air America in the past.

Malloy was *out there* (TM)

Hartman was a decent enough character - don't recall him being all that hideous. Certainly not rating any comparrison to Beck.

322 Sam N  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:33:50am

re: #316 Retsin

Maybe you should do just the tiniest amount of research before revealing how ignorant you are. Obama has put his birth certificate on the web. If anything, it just made the birthers more insane.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

323 Neo_  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:35:35am

This is all "Excitable Andy's" fault.
As long as there are crazies like Andrew Sullivan asking for Trig's birth certificate (last time I looked Trig wasn't running or presently POTUS .. or is he ?), it will be fair game to see that of others.

324 nickzi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #323 Neo_

1) Two wrongs don't make a right
2) Palin isn't demanding Sullivan's birth-certificate.

325 celticdragon  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:40:29am

re: #286 yoshicastmaster

ps go ahead and type in "obama produce birth certificate" in google.

I looked it over before asking and didn't see anything too helpful.

At least you're very vigorous in letting me know where not to ask for help.

Is this some sort of joke trolling??

The birth certificate has been produced again and again and again...and idiots keep asking to see the "real" certificate.

shoo, pesky fly.

326 nickzi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:53:12am

re: #325 celticdragon

Technically, Hawaii doesn't provide birth certificates. It issues certificates of live birth, which are the equivalent. Said certificate has been provided ad nauseam, but that never stops the wilfully ignorant from howling about it.

327 doubter4444  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:59:49am

re: #162 Gus 802

Oh, since they're talking victory here.

She won't get the Hispanic vote.
She won't get the Jewish vote.
She won't get the black vote.
She won't get the GLBT vote.
She will never get the environmentalists.

Essentially she's the WASP candidate.

I'm a WASP, and I resent that remark! :)

328 Gaius Obvious  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:03:03am

Barry Goldwater's natural born status -- fair question.
George Romney's natural born status -- fair question.
John McCain's natural born status -- fair question.
Barack Obama's natural born status -- unfair question?

One could reasonable claim that it was a fair question during the campaign given the precedents above. She doesn't say whether it's a fair question now, when it's no longer relevant, or during the campaign, when the other lawsuits were decided.

329 doubter4444  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:06:47am

re: #179 talon_262

Levi is still a putz...

Of course he is.
That's the point. It's all fake, and all fabricated. When he was needed, he was the good boy, working class, now he's white trash.
Which is he?
Probably both (being charitable here!).
But she is a user. Plain and simple, she uses people till she does not need them and tosses them away.
That, as much as anything else, is what sickens me.
Remember all the "Obama throws people under the bus" stuff during the election?
She is real master when it comes to that.

330 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:20:35am

re: #328 Gaius Obvious

Barry Goldwater's natural born status -- fairdumb question.
George Romney's natural born status -- fairdumb question.
John McCain's natural born status -- fairdumb question
Barack Obama's natural born status -- fairdumb question?

One could reasonable claim that it was a fair question during the campaign given the precedents above. She doesn't say whether it's a fair question now, when it's no longer relevant, or during the campaign, when the other lawsuits were decided.

No, one could not reasonable (sic) claim it. It was dumb, and remains so, through and through.

331 doubter4444  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:24:55am

re: #258 barflytom

If another female with a similar life story to hers was a leftie, they would be praised to the sky by the MSM. She's actually made something of herself without being from a priviledged background, and unlike Obama, has actually held quite a few real jobs before going into politics. She has a point, in saying that Obama's past and his associations with some pretty dubious characters was hardly examined at all during the campaign. A point that LGF was making a year or so ago IIRC.

That right there, is a crock of shit.
What "similar" story would that be?
And this whole "jobs" thing, like what, major of Wasilla? IIRC, that's it.
Or are you counting working the counter of the Dairy Queen?
I'm sure Obama had a paper route or some such, but what the fuck does it matter?
He was a Lawyer, and a teacher at one of the best universities in the country for crying out loud, are you that blinkered that you mindlessly parrot discredited talking points that did not stick then either?
And she was what, a part time new caster in Idaho, before QUITTING that job too?

332 trevalyan  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:30:11am

Sooo... what's the list of the people who have verified Obama's birth certificate? The director of the Hawaii Department of Health, who was presumably endorsed by the Governor? Factcheck.org, and who else? Because it occurs to me that these people, unlike Crazy Dentist Lawyer, have actual authority to check birth certificates in case of fraud, and they say everything's ok.

Doesn't that worry people a little? How people with no talent constantly demand that people with actual credentials in a field validate their wacked out fantasies? (see: steel doesn't melt with jet fuel, etc)

333 stayfrosty  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:32:26am

re: #330 Aceofwhat?

No, one could not reasonable (sic) claim it. It was dumb, and remains so, through and through.

This is a general remark unrelated to the current "birther" controversy, which I think was settled pretty clearly long ago, but remind me again why it's "dumb" to ask candidates to prove they meet the Constitutional requirements to serve as President of the United States?

334 doubter4444  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:40:30am

re: #286 yoshicastmaster

ps go ahead and type in "obama produce birth certificate" in google.

I looked it over before asking and didn't see anything too helpful.

At least you're very vigorous in letting me know where not to ask for help.

You are a lier.
I did just google "obama produce birth certificate"
THE FIRST FUCKING hit is Snopes, where, surprise, surprise, the whole issue is recounted, and after that about a bizllion more links.
Fucking troll

335 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #315 Barflytom

Saying that the 'birther' issue is a 'fair question' isn't the cleverest thing, but she's right to say that their campaign let Obama off the hook on his ideology and Ayers/Wright/Rezko associations. The MSM obviously wasn't going to do the job for them, so in the sense that we got stuck with a president who would have been unelectable in a normal year, then yes, it is partly 'the MSM's fault'.

As far as I can tell, Palin has an unremarkable, but not disastrous record as governor, and is probably a reasonably able person, all of which is more than can be said for a lot of democrats in office. I don't see how you can argue that a lefty democrat with her level of ability wouldn't receive vastly better treatment from the media.

Right, so you're saying that the Republicans (campaign, party, and pundits) let Obama off the hook on his connections with Ayers and Wright? And that the the MSM (counting FOX, which has the highest ratings and is therefore more mainstream than the MSM) didn't pursue the issue? Maybe you didn't see the same primary debate that I did. I'm just asking because I can't quite believe what I'm reading here.

And are you actually saying that quitting her post as governor after two and a half years (with half a year off the job while campaigning) qualifies Palin's governorship as "unremarkable, but not disastrous"?

So, let me recapitulate. The best you can say about Palin is that she was "not disastrous" in her less-than-half-term a governor, and that she "is probably a reasonably able person"? And you still have the nerve to argue that a "lefty democrat (sic) with her level of ability" (that would be nil, right?) would get a better treatment from the media? A lefty democrat (I've yet to see one, btw) with Sarah's level of ability wouldn't make it past the primaries. He'd be lucky if they let him clean the bathroom stalls in the DNC headquarters.

336 trevalyan  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:04:38pm

re: #334 doubter4444

Ooh. You know what? Googling for "obama birth certificate" actually has Snopes down below... Pamella Gellar and Justin Raimondo. (and below a goodly many new sites)

Yeeesh. The crazy, it is getting stronger.

337 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:39:39pm

re: #286 yoshicastmaster

Piss off...

338 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:44:39pm

re: #296 yoshicastmaster

I've been aware of this 'issue' for a while but never paid much attention to it. Because I never really cared..

Uh huh, right...the "subject" has only been around since months before last year's election.

If you didn't pay attention to how the "issue" of Obama's birth certificate was debunked and completely and utterly blown to Hell, it's your own damn fault, not ours.

/ignoramus

339 Lidane  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:54:08pm

re: #318 recusancy

I'm on the left and I don't even know who Thom Hartman and Mike Malloy are. That's how much influence they have.

Same here. Never heard of either of them.

340 st. louisville cards  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:06:10pm

re: #339 Lidane

I guess I know why Air America has failed so many times. They can't even get lefties to listen to them.

If I said Ed Schultz, Michael Moore, and Michael Eric Dyson would get my point?

341 Lidane  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:22:17pm

re: #340 st. louisville cards

I guess I know why Air America has failed so many times. They can't even get lefties to listen to them.

I've never much cared for talk radio since it bores me to tears, so Air America was lost on me from the beginning. The closest I get is some NPR podcasts and the podcast for Left, Right & Center.

If I said Ed Schultz, Michael Moore, and Michael Eric Dyson would get my point?

Never heard of Dyson, sorry. As for the other two, I can't watch Ed Schultz's show on TV because he irritates me, and the one Michael Moore film I've actually seen (Bowling for Columbine) had an interesting premise on the culture of fear, but he ruined his own film by making himself part of the story and getting bogged down in meaningless tripe, like chasing after Charlton Heston and Dick Clark. It could have been a good exploration of modern media hype and the manipulation of fear, especially in the aftermath of Columbine, but it just ended up a jumbled mess of a movie that went nowhere. Since then, I haven't paid much attention to Moore, to be honest.

I think the only media talking head that I can really tolerate for any stretch of time is Rachel Maddow, because she's very intelligent and insightful, and she actually gives folks a chance to tell their side of things without yelling over them or interrupting them. I don't watch her all the time but I know that even if I disagree with her on things, at least she's pretty solid, IMO.

342 St. Louisville Cards  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:41:11pm

re: #341 Lidane

I think you get my point though. For every idiot talking head on the right, there is one just as partisan and dishonest on the left. For every extremist politician on the Right, there is one on the left.
I see way to many people who say "Democrats are bad, but not nearly as bad as Republicans" or vice versa. Both sides have major issues and both sides are interested in getting power more than anything.

343 barflytom  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:10:04pm

re: #335 mikhailtheplumber

...you still have the nerve to argue that a "lefty democrat (sic) with her level of ability" (that would be nil, right?) would get a better treatment from the media? A lefty democrat (I've yet to see one, btw) with Sarah's level of ability wouldn't make it past the primaries. He'd be lucky if they let him clean the bathroom stalls in the DNC headquarters.

Your comments suggest she at least has the ability to wind democrats up pretty well !

344 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:15:13pm

re: #342 St. Louisville Cards

What measurements are you using, exactly?

345 Lidane  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:54:20pm

re: #342 St. Louisville Cards

I think you get my point though. For every idiot talking head on the right, there is one just as partisan and dishonest on the left.

Except that the ones on the right are far more well known. I consider myself a liberal, but I have no idea who people like Dyson and Malloy are. However, I DO know Coulter, Malkin, Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh. They're far more prominent, and they have far more influence on the right than someone like Dyson or Malloy have on the left, just for that reason alone.

For every extremist politician on the Right, there is one on the left.

True to an extent, but the crazy on the right is far more entrenched in the power structure of the GOP, at least IMO. Just look at the fact that McCain felt that he had to go with Palin to placate the religious right rather than who he really wanted for his VP. The crazy is also far more magnified these days due to the nirther idiocy, the teabagger parties, and people like Bachmann and Palin grabbing headlines.

I see way to many people who say "Democrats are bad, but not nearly as bad as Republicans" or vice versa. Both sides have major issues and both sides are interested in getting power more than anything.

Well, sure. They wouldn't be political parties if they had no interest in holding and maintaining power. The problem isn't the crazies, though. The problem is that many more people have just become alienated and have given up on politics except when there's an election. They just listen for the dog whistle cues rather than really thinking about the issues. They've disengaged, which is a huge problem. That leaves room for the crazies to work their way into the power structure, and pushes out more reasonable, sane folks who might have something worthwhile to contribute.

346 Kruk  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

I'm grounded. Can't stand either the right or the left wing. No flying for me.

Yep, I'm afraid you're stuck in the middle with the rest of us who are...what's the word I'm looking for? Oh yes. Sane.

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347 Major Tom  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 6:24:06pm

You don't think it was (the Palin selection) to siphon the disgruntled P.U.M.A.s, pissed off and without a cause after Hilary was deafeated? I communicated with them up until Biden was selected, and as far as they were concerned, that was the last straw. But they weren't Republicans, so there was no reason this unknown number of women, who were without a candidate or cause to vote for McCain without Palin... I always saw Palin as a misguided attempt, by the campaign, to blatantly pander to women, specifically Hilary supporters.re: #193 Charles

348 Major Tom  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 6:29:11pm

I know in the circles I was travelling in at the time Of Palin's choice she was seen as a failed attempt to win over feminists. Women voting for a woman, for gender's sake...

349 st. louisville cards  Sat, Dec 5, 2009 12:46:51pm

re: #345 Lidane

This is precisely what I mean by people on the left and right making excuses for their crazies. You just did it.
You may have not heard of the lefties I mentioned, but they are on tv and radio just as much as Beck, Hannity, etc.

350 Lidane  Sat, Dec 5, 2009 6:05:59pm

re: #349 st. louisville cards

This is precisely what I mean by people on the left and right making excuses for their crazies. You just did it.
You may have not heard of the lefties I mentioned, but they are on tv and radio just as much as Beck, Hannity, etc.

And how, exactly, am I supposed to know that when I don't listen to talk radio apart from a few podcasts, and I don't watch the bobble-heads on TV apart from the occasional glance at Rachel Maddow's show if I happen to remember that it's on?

I can't avoid people like Beck, Limbaugh, or Hannity because they're talked about constantly, or even parodied, like Cartman as Beck. That's not making an excuse. It's a statement of fact. I see them far more than I do all these supposed left wing authorities. That's just the way it is.


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