Palin’s Birther Boo-Boo

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Sarah Palin’s trying to distance herself from her Birther-pandering remarks now, like any weasely politician does when called on an outrageous remark: Sarah Palin: Stupid Conspiracies | Facebook.

Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask… which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

- Sarah Palin

So the lesson Palin takes from this is: “They do it to me, so I have a perfect right to do it to them!”

How presidential is that?

Meanwhile, take a look through the 1300+ comments for her Facebook post and you’ll realize why she’s pandering to Birthers — there are hordes of them in her fanbase.

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310 comments
1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:11:58am

I'm sorry, Sarah, but no matter how hard you backpedal, the odometer does NOT roll back.

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:12:01am

She's not asking for his birth certificate, she's just fanning the flames.

[eye roll]

3 Dynomite  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:12:15am

"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask… which they have repeatedly."

Um, what did I miss... Since when did she DEFEND their right to ask those questions? I seem to remember her/her people going ballistic over it.

4 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:12:25am

There is also the problem here of how rotten and cutthroat politics have become.

5 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:12:31am

re: #2 Sharmuta

She's not asking for his birth certificate, she's just fanning the flames.

[eye roll]

It's like the old Twoofer canard: "I'm just asking questions." Bullshit.

6 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:13:38am

"Meanwhile, take a look through the 1300+ comments for her Facebook post and you’ll realize why she’s pandering to Birthers — there are hordes of them in her fanbase."

It's a double strike. Beyond pandering to birthers, a politician should receive dumb points just for thinking that pandering to birthers will rescue votes. If I thought i could win the nomination, i'd distance myself from birthers even if i secretly agreed with them...because they're sure as hell not going to vote for the other guy!

//i award SP no points and may God have mercy on her soul...

7 Kragar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:13:49am

re: #5 thedopefishlives

It's like the old Twoofer canard: "I'm just asking questions." Bullshit.

Bingo.

"I don't think its really an issue, but a lot of people out there want to know..."

8 Kragar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:14:36am

re: #6 Aceofwhat?

A simple wrong would have worked, but ok.

/Billy Madison mode

9 Racer X  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:14:36am

"I'm not asking for him to produce the birth certificate, I'm just saying it's OK for others to ask for it".

Got it.

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:14:47am

We have someone "asking questions" right now in the previous Palin thread.

11 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:14:50am

I see a crowd-working politician here.

12 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:15:19am

re: #10 Charles

i'm on that like a rat on a cheeto...

13 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:15:27am

re: #4 Ojoe

There is also the problem here of how rotten and cutthroat politics have become.

It almost seems like a school yard grudge match now. They tugged pig-tails, so now we can give them wedgies. I suspect "I know you are, but what am I?" to be pulled out at any moment.

14 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:15:33am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bingo.

"I don't think its really an issue, but a lot of people out there want to know..."

The dead giveaway line that someone REALLY believes it's an issue, but is just barely not dumb enough to realize that it will get them laughed out the door.

15 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:16:39am

How much does Sarah Palin charge people to become her fan on facebook?

16 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:17:10am

re: #13 Sharmuta

wedgies LOL

A wedge issue.

Voter wedge-istration

LOL

17 BlackFedora  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:17:33am

Sarah should go rogue by not pandering to the crazy far right fringe...

18 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:18:45am

re: #15 darthstar

How much does Sarah Palin charge people to become her fan on facebook?

I hope it's less than $100,000:

[Link: politics.theatlantic.com...]

19 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:19:10am

Sarah Palin? Was she in The Bangles?

20 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:21:18am

re: #9 Racer X

"I'm not asking for him to produce the birth certificate, I'm just saying it's OK for others to ask for it".

Got it.

That's her plausible deniability. Just like Glenn Beck who says President Obama wants to take away our guns and we need a revolution, then claiming he wasn't stirring up people to bring guns to tea parties.

21 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:21:44am

Looking at the facebook posts - I'm guessing none of these people are in the job market.

22 nickzi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:21:53am

re: #15 darthstar

$16 to view her picture, presumably...

23 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:23:47am

re: #21 Stanley Sea

Looking at the facebook posts - I'm guessing none of these people are in the job market.

Ha. Maybe 10% unemployment is more a reflection of the job seekers than the job market...

24 Racer X  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:24:24am

re: #19 Jeff In Ohio

Sarah Palin? Was she in The Bangles?

Yes, she sang "Talk Like An Alaskan".

25 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:25:18am

re: #18 Girth

I hope it's less than $100,000:

[Link: politics.theatlantic.com...]

She probably knows she's a perishable commodity and is charging as much as she can while she's still got drawing power. I just hope she's stupid enough to hire sketchy accountants and advisors, and that they steal her blind by the time her glitter wears off. It's what I'd call poetic justice for a grifter like her who is merely out to make money by being a "Hockey Malkin".

26 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #24 Racer X

Yes, she sang "Talk Like An Alaskan".

I know a couple Alaskans who would demand an apology for that.

27 KenJen  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:25:31am

Tit for tat.

28 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:26:20am

re: #24 Racer X

Yes, she sang "Talk Like An Alaskan".

LMAO!

29 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:28:05am

re: #25 darthstar

She probably knows she's a perishable commodity and is charging as much as she can while she's still got drawing power. I just hope she's stupid enough to hire sketchy accountants and advisors...


/No, you have to be elected first, silly...

30 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:30:36am

All the kids at the hockey rink say
way-oh-way-oh-way-ooo-aa-oo
Talk like an Alaskan...

31 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:31:33am

re: #24 Racer X

Yes, she sang "Talk Like An Alaskan".

More singing and less sucking on the bus exhaust pipe for her.

Reminds me of a funny Willy Nelson story involving nakedness and a boner, but probably isn't the place for it.

32 trevalyan  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:32:03am

I think Sarah Palin needs to learn the fine line between "legally permitted" to do something, versus it being OK. That is, widely regarded as not being morally reprehensible.

33 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:32:09am

re: #25 darthstar

I just hope she's stupid enough to hire sketchy accountants and advisors,

If she does that AND dodges paying her taxes, there's a place waiting for her in Obamas cabinet!

34 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:32:29am

Uh-oh...CNN's reporter, Candy Crowley, is putting out new poll numbers. Appears that the economy is causing a slippage in Obama's approval ratings...

35 anamika  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:32:53am
Meanwhile, take a look through the 1300+ comments for her Facebook post and you’ll realize why she’s pandering to Birthers — there are hordes of them in her fanbase.

Palin's facebook page was largely populated by Glenn Beck fans when i last checked a couple of months ago. Birthers were strongly discouraged and there were few if any birther comments, and this was at the heights of birther mania. Looks like Beck fans have left now--after he fell out of line with the republicans wit his "3rd party" and independent talk, and with Palin after his crude "joke". Also i think he lambasted the Birther lunacy some time ago?--leaving the birthers and other crazies with a free reign on her facebook comment section.

36 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:33:18am

re: #31 Jeff In Ohio

More singing and less sucking on the bus exhaust pipe for her.

Reminds me of a funny Willy Nelson story involving nakedness and a boner, but probably isn't the place for it.

your probably right...

37 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:33:51am

Sarah's got company...in the 'facebook is my platform for sounding like a dumbass' department, anyway...

The mayor of a suburb of Memphis, Tenn. has accused, via Facebook, President Obama of deliberately timing his speech about the war in Afghanistan this week to block the airing of the "Peanuts" Christmas TV special. The Commercial Appeal found that Arlington Mayor Russell Wiseman posted the statements on his Facebook page, limited to friends viewing only, and said the president was Muslim.

Here is one key quote: "Ok, so, this is total crap, we sit the kids down to watch 'The Charlie Brown Christmas Special' and our muslim president is there, what a load...try to convince me that wasn't done on purpose."

Linky Goodness

38 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:33:58am

Welp, the sock puppets are showing up in droves now, trying to register like obsessed morons, so it's getting close to time to close registration.

39 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:34:55am

re: #31 Jeff In Ohio

wow, that's the last image i needed echoing around my head...

*stumbles towards bathroom*

40 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:35:35am

re: #25 darthstar

She probably knows she's a perishable commodity and is charging as much as she can while she's still got drawing power. I just hope she's stupid enough to hire sketchy accountants and advisors, and that they steal her blind by the time her glitter wears off. It's what I'd call poetic justice for a grifter like her who is merely out to make money by being a "Hockey Malkin".

Anyone who thinks she's in her 15 minutes needs to wake up. The true believers have got her back, and she's more than willing to take their money while they defend her. It's a classic host-parasite relationship.

41 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:38:10am
I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child.

Um... where did she ever say this, that's its fair game to ask her these questions. I don't recall her ever saying it's fair game. The exact opposite is true. She's always whined and moaned at being "attacked" by the media as if she's the only one.

42 Kragar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:39:06am

re: #38 Charles

Welp, the sock puppets are showing up in droves now, trying to register like obsessed morons, so it's getting close to time to close registration.

I would say let them in, give them time to gloat, then set up a members only thread promising a terrible revelation, at which point you kill their socks.

43 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:39:29am

re: #40 Girth

Anyone who thinks she's in her 15 minutes needs to wake up. The true believers have got her back, and she's more than willing to take their money while they defend her. It's a classic host-parasite relationship.

And with Huckabee likely down for the count, she's a good, professional handler away from lead nominee, wouldn't you say? I doubt that Romney could beat her, and i can't think of anyone else projected to run for the nomination with any real chance of success. might be missing someone, though.

44 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would say let them in, give them time to gloat, then set up a members only thread promising a terrible revelation, at which point you kill their socks.

Sadistic!

45 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:41:02am

re: #37 darthstar

Sarah's got company...in the 'facebook is my platform for sounding like a dumbass' department, anyway...

Linky Goodness

LOL It's almost too good. Is someone putting these in a book? He's a Muslim, he was born in Kenya and he hates Peanuts. That's the last straw!!!

46 Racer X  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:41:58am

I got nothing against Sarah Palin other than there were some legitimate questions regarding her competency to be one step away from the presidency. She has since done nothing to demonstrate she has the competency. In fact she has downgraded the perception of her skills.

I think she is now taking advantage of her fame to make a buck, and there are plenty of suckers out there willing to pay. Go for it. Don't ask me to vote for her again, because I won't.

47 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:42:22am

re: #43 Aceofwhat?

And with Huckabee likely down for the count, she's a good, professional handler away from lead nominee, wouldn't you say? I doubt that Romney could beat her, and i can't think of anyone else projected to run for the nomination with any real chance of success. might be missing someone, though.

She has a chance, Huckabee has a chance, but I still think that the GOP nominee will be someone we haven't heard of yet.

48 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:42:34am

re: #45 marjoriemoon

LOL It's almost too good. Is someone putting these in a book? He's a Muslim, he was born in Kenya and he hates Peanuts. That's the last straw!!!

Yeah, but it gets a lot less funny in the part where he says that none of this would have happened if we had kept the voting rights reserved for property owners, like in the good ol' days. For me, that's when it went from comical to nauseating real fast.

49 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #47 brookly red

She has a chance, Huckabee has a chance, but I still think that the GOP nominee will be someone we haven't heard of yet.

You don't think that the Huckabee Clemency Spree will haunt him out of a real shot at the nomination?

50 srjh  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:43:53am

"Climategate", "death panels" and now birther nonsense... is there any conspiracy theory she hasn't jumped on yet?

I still find it thoroughly bizarre that the woman is still commanding international media attention. Please tell me she's a joke that no-one's let me in on yet?

51 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:44:23am

re: #45 marjoriemoon

LOL It's almost too good. Is someone putting these in a book? He's a Muslim, he was born in Kenya and he hates Peanuts. That's the last straw!!!

But I thought he was just like Carter.

52 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:44:32am

One of Ace's guest bloggers shares Charles' incredulity, though not Ace himself.

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:44:34am

This is cool: Google Street View tour of Pompeii

54 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:44:52am

The way the right wing and the Republican Party are going, I don't think even Huckabee's clemency for a cop killer will deny him the nomination. The crazy is way too strong. They're just going to ignore all of that, and Sarah Palin's outrageous Birther remarks, and we're definitely going to see Huckabee and Palin running in 2012.

55 bosforus  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:44:52am

re: #50 srjh

"Climategate", "death panels" and now birther nonsense... is there any conspiracy theory she hasn't jumped on yet?

2012?

56 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:45:12am

re: #43 Aceofwhat?

And with Huckabee likely down for the count, she's a good, professional handler away from lead nominee, wouldn't you say? I doubt that Romney could beat her, and i can't think of anyone else projected to run for the nomination with any real chance of success. might be missing someone, though.

I still think that there's a significant bloc of the GOP base that won't vote for Romney because he's a Mormon. At least in the primary.

57 Racer X  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:45:15am

I really wish we could stop discussing the potential 2012 presidential nominees.

58 bosforus  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:45:55am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

This is cool: Google Street View tour of Pompeii

Thanks, saved me a trip!

59 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:46:10am

re: #47 brookly red

She has a chance, Huckabee has a chance, but I still think that the GOP nominee will be someone we haven't heard of yet.

I sincerely hope that you're right, because I'd really like to be able to vote Republican again.

60 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:46:13am

re: #50 srjh

"Climategate", "death panels" and now birther nonsense... is there any conspiracy theory she hasn't jumped on yet?

I still find it thoroughly bizarre that the woman is still commanding international media attention. Please tell me she's a joke that no-one's let me in on yet?

She's the balloon boy of politics. People can't help but watch because I really don't think anyone wants to miss the inevitable crash to earth when it happens.

61 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:46:14am

re: #38 Charles

Welp, the sock puppets are showing up in droves now, trying to register like obsessed morons, so it's getting close to time to close registration.

Time to throw the socks in the washing machine.

62 Kragar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:46:31am

re: #57 Racer X

I really wish we could stop discussing the potential 2012 presidential nominees.

I'm sticking with Cthulhu and thats the end of the matter.

63 bosforus  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:47:29am

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm sticking with Cthulhu and thats the end of the matter.

Cthulu, Dagon - 2012!

64 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:47:32am

re: #49 Aceofwhat?

You don't think that the Huckabee Clemency Spree will haunt him out of a real shot at the nomination?

I'm not a Huckabee supporter nor was I one during the primaries but I don't think the "clemency spree" knocks him out. First, it's actaully old news, and it will be that much older by the time 2012 rolls in. Second, his people can play the "compassionate conservative" card.

65 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:47:44am

re: #54 Charles

I read an AP article (published back in 2007?) which took Huckabee to task for his granting clemency to all sorts of notorious felons...the article alleged that he had to be granting a clemency every 40 days for a 10 year period...

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #58 bosforus

Thanks, saved me a trip!

Wine and pasta completes the experience.

67 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #54 Charles

Then i'm writing Pedro in for president...

68 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:48:33am

re: #49 Aceofwhat?

You don't think that the Huckabee Clemency Spree will haunt him out of a real shot at the nomination?

It very well could, but I don't think it really matters. All the usual suspects have too much baggage so I think we will be offered someone new & shiny... and remember the election won't be about the GOP candidate. It will be an up or down vote on Obama.

69 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:48:50am

re: #65 J.S.

I read an AP article (published back in 2007?) which took Huckabee to task for his granting clemency to all sorts of notorious felons...the article alleged that he had to be granting a clemency every 40 days for a 10 year period...

Commutation is different than clemency

Not excusing it,,, just sayin

70 Soap_Man  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #57 Racer X

I've always thought polls conducted three years before an election were useless, but the news about the possible contenders is not.

A lot of things they are saying and doing right now will have a direct impact on their chances in 2012. And Charles, I disagree. I think Huck is done. "Soft on crime" doesn't fly in Republican primaries.

71 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:49:42am

re: #55 bosforus

2012?

Well golly, of course not silly, how could those Mayans know when Jesus would come back, also?

/

72 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:50:37am

re: #69 sattv4u2

I'll look up the article and see if I can find it...(it was a damning one for Huckabee.)

73 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:50:57am

re: #64 sattv4u2

I'm not a Huckabee supporter nor was I one during the primaries but I don't think the "clemency spree" knocks him out. First, it's actaully old news, and it will be that much older by the time 2012 rolls in. Second, his people can play the "compassionate conservative" card.

My guess would be that there are far more 'tough on crime' conservatives out there than 'compassionate on criminals' conservatives (bonus points for alliteration, eh). But the left has no lock on cognitive dissonance...

74 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:51:06am

re: #48 Aceofwhat?

Yeah, but it gets a lot less funny in the part where he says that none of this would have happened if we had kept the voting rights reserved for property owners, like in the good ol' days. For me, that's when it went from comical to nauseating real fast.

Ugh. That's just crazy talk. Besides the Good Ole Days weren't all that good.

75 trevalyan  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:51:18am

Do you ever get the feeling that "Free Mumia: Vote Huckabee" might become a Democratic meme in the next election, if Huckabee gets anywhere near the crown?

I mean, he might actually do it!

76 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:51:40am

re: #73 Aceofwhat?

My guess would be that there are far more 'tough on crime' conservatives out there than 'compassionate on criminals' conservatives (bonus points for alliteration, eh). But the left has no lock on cognitive dissonance...

Rudy was "our" "TOUGH ON CRIME" candidate. How far did that get him ?

77 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #68 brookly red

good point

78 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #67 Aceofwhat?

Then i'm writing Pedro in for president...

[Link: www.bustedtees.com...]

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:52:43am

That's totally silly. If she said "Reporters and conspiracy nuts go after politicans, myself for example. They're allowed, but it's stupid," that would be one thing.

But she makes it sound as though it's perfectly reasonable--as long as it's not aimed at her.

80 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:53:30am

re: #65 J.S.

I read an AP article (published back in 2007?) which took Huckabee to task for his granting clemency to all sorts of notorious felons...the article alleged that he had to be granting a clemency every 40 days for a 10 year period...

Actually I'm not so disappointed. Now they can stop saying that it's the Dems that are soft on crime.

81 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:53:49am

re: #54 Charles

The way the right wing and the Republican Party are going, I don't think even Huckabee's clemency for a cop killer will deny him the nomination. The crazy is way too strong. They're just going to ignore all of that, and Sarah Palin's outrageous Birther remarks, and we're definitely going to see Huckabee and Palin running in 2012.

I dunno. The floodtide of the current rightwing mood is now, so if Huckabee was going to win, he would have won in '08. I suspect that the current political spasm on the right will have dissipated by '12--three years is a long time to maintain a political fever. That of course doesn't mean there'll be a better crop of candidates to choose from then--just that Huckabee will seem like an old fad. We'll see, I guess.

82 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:54:10am

re: #68 brookly red

It very well could, but I don't think it really matters. All the usual suspects have too much baggage so I think we will be offered someone new & shiny... and remember the election won't be about the GOP candidate. It will be an up or down vote on Obama.


December 1997, 12 months after Clinton slaughtered Dole, name me one person (besides Carl Rover, MAYBE) that would have told you for certainty that George Bush would be the leader of the Repubs and be elected in 2000
January 2001, after Bush beat Gore, tell me one person who would have told you John Kerry would have been the 'rudder" of the Dems come 2004
January 2005, after Bush beat Kerry, tell me one person who would have told you that BHO would be the "leader" of the Dems come 2008!
I could go back even further. The "losers" in the race for the White House are ALWAYS "rudderless and leaderless" for at LEAST 2 1/2 years after that election. ALWAYS

83 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:54:28am

re: #78 Girth

exaaactly

84 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:54:36am

re: #57 Racer X

I really wish we could stop discussing the potential 2012 presidential nominees.

All righty then! Who do you like in '16?

85 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:54:48am

re: #64 sattv4u2

I'm not a Huckabee supporter nor was I one during the primaries but I don't think the "clemency spree" knocks him out. First, it's actaully old news, and it will be that much older by the time 2012 rolls in. Second, his people can play the "compassionate conservative" card.

When it's Republicans, they call them compassionate conservatives.

When it's Democrats, they say soft on crime.

See how that works?

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:54:49am

re: #17 BlackFedora

Sarah should go rogue by not pandering to the crazy far right fringe...

Standing up to your own team takes real guts. Most, right and left, don't have it. The annoying ones pretend to be really brave for taking on the OTHER guys.

87 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:55:25am

re: #85 marjoriemoon

When it's Republicans, they call them compassionate conservatives.

When it's Democrats, they say soft on crime.

See how that works?

ANOMOLY/ PATTERN

See how THAT works?

88 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:55:25am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

That's totally silly. If she said "Reporters and conspiracy nuts go after politicians, myself for example. They're allowed, but it's stupid," that would be one thing.

But she makes it sound as though it's perfectly reasonable--as long as it's not aimed at her.

Kinda the way the White House views the media, no? All politicians are like that.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:55:35am

re: #24 Racer X

Yes, she sang "Talk Like An Alaskan".

Do many Alaskans have her accent? She sounds Minnesota to me.

90 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:55:52am

re: #38 Charles

I am one of the new posters that just registered. I'm delighted you opened registration so I had a chance to join you. Thank you. I'll try and add to the general intelligence I've been seeing here. It is really a breath of fresh air and I'm really looking forward to it.

91 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:56:02am

re: #76 sattv4u2

I found the article. Actually, Huckabee wasn't granting a clemency every 40 days, it was every 4 days. My mistake.

From the AP article: "During his years as governor, Huckabee granted clemency an average of about once every four days. Huckabee's successor, Mike Beebe, has issued 40 so far this year, fewer than one a week. Bill Clinton, Frank White and Tucker granted 507 clemencies in the 17½ years they served as governor." Link to CBS news...here.

92 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:56:11am

re: #81 The Sanity Inspector

Just saying that, when a political trend is in full swing, it's hard to remember that it has a beginning, a middle, and an end.

93 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:56:15am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Do many Alaskans have her accent? She sounds Minnesota to me.

Don't EVEN say that. >.>

94 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:56:37am

re: #87 sattv4u2

ANOMOLY/ PATTERN

See how THAT works?

Really? Who on the Left is calling for this guy to be granted clemency?

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:56:38am

re: #25 darthstar

She probably knows she's a perishable commodity and is charging as much as she can while she's still got drawing power. I just hope she's stupid enough to hire sketchy accountants and advisors, and that they steal her blind by the time her glitter wears off. It's what I'd call poetic justice for a grifter like her who is merely out to make money by being a "Hockey Malkin".

You know, when she took the kids on the road, before I totally soured on her, I figured she'd just realized that a chance to do something like this was never going to come by again, and decided to have a really good time.

Now I'm just irritated.

96 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:56:54am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

That's totally silly. If she said "Reporters and conspiracy nuts go after politicans, myself for example. They're allowed, but it's stupid," that would be one thing.

But she makes it sound as though it's perfectly reasonable--as long as it's not aimed at her.

Welcome to Sarah's world.

97 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:57:28am

re: #91 J.S.

Yes, but the one he's in "trouble" for (this dead scum sucker that shot the 4 cops) was a commuted sentence

98 generalsparky  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:57:47am

re: #47 brookly red

I think it will be someone else too. 2012 is really a long time away and there is plenty of time to find the right candidate.

99 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:58:07am

re: #94 marjoriemoon

Really? Who on the Left is calling for this guy to be granted clemency?

Who is "this guy" ?

100 Mr Burns  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:58:28am

Not going to do her cause much good with that one.

101 ignoranceisfatal  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:58:32am

re: #91 J.S.

I found the article. Actually, Huckabee wasn't granting a clemency every 40 days, it was every 4 days. My mistake.

From the AP article: "During his years as governor, Huckabee granted clemency an average of about once every four days. Huckabee's successor, Mike Beebe, has issued 40 so far this year, fewer than one a week. Bill Clinton, Frank White and Tucker granted 507 clemencies in the 17½ years they served as governor." Link to CBS news...here.

Can I push back a bit on the knee-jerk "more clemencies is bad" reaction? Has anybody looked at the clemencies granted, and seen what fraction of those have had "bad" outcomes?

Unless you're opposed to the very idea of clemency, shouldn't you be looking at his "body of work" on clemency, so to speak?

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:58:32am

re: #48 Aceofwhat?

Yeah, but it gets a lot less funny in the part where he says that none of this would have happened if we had kept the voting rights reserved for property owners, like in the good ol' days. For me, that's when it went from comical to nauseating real fast.

I think we had someone recommending that, or something similar, some months ago. It's a really disturbing concept.

103 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:58:43am

re: #98 generalsparky

I think it will be someone else too. 2012 is really a long time away and there is plenty of time to find the right candidate.

Most likely. See #82

104 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #90 Kewalo

I am one of the new posters that just registered. I'm delighted you opened registration so I had a chance to join you. Thank you. I'll try and add to the general intelligence I've been seeing here. It is really a breath of fresh air and I'm really looking forward to it.

Does your username refer to Kewalo Basin in Honolulu?

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #54 Charles

The way the right wing and the Republican Party are going, I don't think even Huckabee's clemency for a cop killer will deny him the nomination. The crazy is way too strong. They're just going to ignore all of that, and Sarah Palin's outrageous Birther remarks, and we're definitely going to see Huckabee and Palin running in 2012.

Together?

106 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:59:42am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Together?

A real possibility. It would be the religious far right dream ticket.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:59:43am

re: #67 Aceofwhat?

Then i'm writing Pedro in for president...

Pedro who?

108 KingKenrod  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:00:32pm

I think Huckabee releasing an eventual cop killer is going to sink him. Can you imagine what the negative ads in the primary will look like?

109 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:00:45pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

This is cool: Google Street View tour of Pompeii

Wow.
You don't even have to travel anymore to be able to "travel".
It's a good thing for those who don't fly (like, for instance, moi!)

110 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:00:47pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

Disturbing to the core, and doubly so when coming out of the mouth of anyone who professes to be a Christian.

When God said not to take his name in vain, he wasn't talking about cursing. He was talking about Wiseman.

111 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #101 ignoranceisfatal

This is hardly the first of Huckabee's clemencies/commutations that resulted in a bad outcome. Wayne Dumond is another high profile case, where the commuted sentence allowed the convicted felon to commit a rape/murder.

112 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:03pm

re: #54 Charles

Grand opportunity for the Whig Party.

Anyway, if the economy is still shaky, the R's will take a big hit from that as they have the unshakeable image as the party of big business.

I sincerely hope for the emergence of a 3rd party because the Dems will run Obama & I do not think he is any great leader and I am being kind in my word choice.

113 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:12pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Pedro who?

tell me you're joking...

114 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:14pm

re: #106 Charles

A real possibility. It would be the religious far right dream ticket.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

115 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:16pm

re: #91 J.S.

I found the article. Actually, Huckabee wasn't granting a clemency every 40 days, it was every 4 days. My mistake.

From the AP article: "During his years as governor, Huckabee granted clemency an average of about once every four days. Huckabee's successor, Mike Beebe, has issued 40 so far this year, fewer than one a week. Bill Clinton, Frank White and Tucker granted 507 clemencies in the 17½ years they served as governor." Link to CBS news...here.

Thanks for looking that up :)

116 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:34pm

re: #49 Aceofwhat?

You don't think that the Huckabee Clemency Spree will haunt him out of a real shot at the nomination?

Huckabee was on the View yesterday and really did come across as very sensible. Even the liberals Joy Behar and Whoopie praised him and the audience was warm to him after he explained why he commuted that sentence. So, while he might not be "pure" enough for the far right I wouldn't count him out.

117 nickzi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:37pm

re: #54 Charles

I disagree about Huckabee. I think he's making remarks about how much money you need to run (and how sad it is) precisely in order to give himself an easy out.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:47pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Ugh. That's just crazy talk. Besides the Good Ole Days weren't all that good.

I'm also intrigued that a group of people who bitch and moan incessently about how much money politicians they don't like have also produce people who want a property requirement for voting.

119 ignoranceisfatal  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:01:53pm

re: #101 ignoranceisfatal

For me, it would be troubling if:

1) There was good evidence that Huckabee was granting clemency solely based on the recommendation of fellow ministers who claimed that their pet prisoner projects had "found God'

2) There was good evidence that a large proportion of the people to whom clemency had been granted ended up committing further crimes

I've seen some (but not convincing) evidence that 1) may be true, but not much on 2)

120 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #98 generalsparky

I think it will be someone else too. 2012 is really a long time away and there is plenty of time to find the right candidate.

Right, The GOP has the advantage of not having their candidate as a visible target, yet. Obama as POTUS is in plain sight... Palin and the like are there to keep the base energized & then to step aside. Let's see if she dose.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #75 trevalyan

Do you ever get the feeling that "Free Mumia: Vote Huckabee" might become a Democratic meme in the next election, if Huckabee gets anywhere near the crown?

I mean, he might actually do it!

That's crazy talk. Mumia is a Muslim.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:03:03pm

re: #76 sattv4u2

Rudy was "our" "TOUGH ON CRIME" candidate. How far did that get him ?

Yeah, but he wasn't from the small-town America where we grow real American values...

//also, he barely blinked during the campaign

123 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:03:06pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

I think if Huckabee had made one "goof", that might (might) be something some voters could possibly overlook at some later date...However, this wasn't a single, one-off, failure. This was part of an on-going trend on Huckabee's part. (CNN interviewed a state prosecutor who, for years, challenged Huckabee's pardons, commutations, and "get-out-of-jail" free cards...all to no avail.) This was what he was doing every 4 days as Governor of Arkansas. It's beyond pathetic.

124 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:03:34pm

re: #116 Kewalo

Huckabee was on the View yesterday and really did come across as very sensible. Even the liberals Joy Behar and Whoopie praised him and the audience was warm to him after he explained why he commuted that sentence. So, while he might not be "pure" enough for the far right I wouldn't count him out.

It's a good point...he can be extremely likeable in person.

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:04:28pm

re: #91 J.S.

I found the article. Actually, Huckabee wasn't granting a clemency every 40 days, it was every 4 days. My mistake.

From the AP article: "During his years as governor, Huckabee granted clemency an average of about once every four days. Huckabee's successor, Mike Beebe, has issued 40 so far this year, fewer than one a week. Bill Clinton, Frank White and Tucker granted 507 clemencies in the 17½ years they served as governor." Link to CBS news...here.

Hmmm. He seems to like doing this.

126 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #106 Charles

A real possibility. It would be the religious far right dream ticket.

We can only hope the rational republicans will show up in the primaries and nominate someone not crazy.

127 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:05:52pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

We can only hope the rational republicans will show up in the primaries and nominate someone not crazy.

Assuming we're not rocking ourselves in a corner somewhere, chanting "happy place...happy place...gotta find my happy place"!

128 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:06:00pm

re: #111 lawhawk

Then, there's the way he handled other commutation/clemency requests. That includes paperwork discrepancies, including one where a guy convicted of DUI was allowed clemency only to be convicted just two years later on a DUI even though there was evidence that the guy was likely to recommit.

129 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:06:05pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, maybe ol' Huckabee would do the same with all the Gitmo boys -- then you wouldn't have to worry about trials, military tribunals, federal courts -- yeah, free the lot of them! Problem solved!

130 generalsparky  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:06:17pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

Excellent point!

131 trevalyan  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:06:35pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

Given that their refreshments at the Republican convention would be a single large pan pizza- I'm doubting it.

132 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:06:37pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

We can only hope the rational republicans will show up in the primaries and nominate someone not crazy.

Great ,, and I was all set to run! Way to kill it for me!

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:06:45pm

re: #113 Aceofwhat?

tell me you're joking...

Uh, no. This is going to be a movie reference, isn't it?

The only Pedro I know is a kid in one of my freshman classes.

134 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:06:58pm

Compare and contrast Palin's web statement with her statement just yesterday regarding the birth certificate:

I think it’s a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you too, I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were

So, she never asked him to produce his birth certificate during the campaign, but thinks it would have been a good idea and that they really should have done so.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:07:21pm

re: #116 Kewalo

Huckabee was on the View yesterday and really did come across as very sensible. Even the liberals Joy Behar and Whoopie praised him and the audience was warm to him after he explained why he commuted that sentence. So, while he might not be "pure" enough for the far right I wouldn't count him out.

He's very charming, and very self-aware.

136 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:07:49pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

Uh, no. This is going to be a movie reference, isn't it?

The only Pedro I know is a kid in one of my freshman classes.

Go now and watch Napoleon Dynamite. An absolutely legendary movie.

137 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:07:57pm

re: #116 Kewalo

Huckabee was on the View yesterday and really did come across as very sensible. Even the liberals Joy Behar and Whoopie praised him and the audience was warm to him after he explained why he commuted that sentence. So, while he might not be "pure" enough for the far right I wouldn't count him out.

Like Palin, Huckabee chooses his public venues very carefully. The View is a great place to rewrite the narrative regarding his clemency/commutation of Clemmons.

138 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:08:39pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

Who is "this guy" ?

Maurice Clemmons? The thug who gunned down 4 cops? I thought that's where this conversation all started.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:08:51pm

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

Go now and watch Napoleon Dynamite. An absolutely legendary movie.

I hear and obey.

140 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:09:31pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

Great ,, and I was all set to run! Way to kill it for me!

/If you give America a choice between Obama & satellite TV you still have a good chance... now can you raise a few billion?

141 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:09:31pm

re: #104 Charles

LOL I used to live on Kewalo St. I lived in HI for 30 yrs and now Seattle area. And yes! I miss HI. You are the first person that has heard of it and asked about it. Good on ya!

142 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:09:54pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

I hear and obey.

I expect lots of bonus updings after you've finished!

143 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:10:20pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

He's very charming, and very self-aware.

I wish he was a little more aware of the fact that he's not a very good bassist...

At least we only had to hear Clinton squawk away once on TV, Huckster jams with everyone who comes on his show. What is he, Paul Schaefer?

144 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:11:13pm

Beware charming politicians let loose in a country of fools.

BBL

145 generalsparky  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:11:49pm

re: #106 Charles

Lord I hope not! And I would probably be considered part of the religious far right as a faithful Catholic.

146 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:12:04pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

wait a second, it's na'aseh before nishma...
/

147 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:12:26pm

re: #123 J.S.

But again, the one he is in 'trouble" for is Maurice Clemmons. Huckabee commuted his sentence, meaning he cut the sentence from something in the order of 104 years down to something that qualified Clemmons for parole. AFTER that, he was then paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time.

I'm dismayeed at the number anf frequency that Huckabee used commutations and clemency, but re: Clemens Huckabee didn't "free" him. As a matter of fact, AFTER the parloe board did Clemmons was re-arrested for violtaing the parole but the PROSECUTOR dropped that case

148 Kragar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:13:09pm

re: #67 Aceofwhat?

Then i'm writing Pedro in for president...

And all your dreams will come true.

149 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:13:26pm

I actually think Huckabee can get over this. It's far enough out, and at some point in the primaries when it comes back up, he'll look into the cameras and explain how he only commuted the sentence(s) because he was trying to be a good Christian and forgive people, and he'll ask for the same forgiveness, and he'll get it.

Actually now that I think of it, he'd have it locked up already if the Club for Growth didn't hate him so much.

150 generalsparky  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:14:25pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

Heh. Is that even possible? I have yet to vote for a presidential candidate I could get behind completely. Every time I have voted for POTUS it has been a lesser of two evils vote.

151 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:14:49pm

re: #143 Cineaste

I wish he was a little more aware of the fact that he's not a very good bassist...

At least we only had to hear Clinton squawk away once on TV, Huckster jams with everyone who comes on his show. What is he, Paul Schaefer?

Speaking of, I heard this about Shaffer's book and i can't wait to find out if it's true. If it's true, then Shaffer gave Seinfeld the best gift he's ever received...

[Link: showhype.com...]

152 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:15:06pm

The most disturbing part about Palin is she doesn't realize that she's done. I guess she just wants to make sure(that she finishes herself off).

153 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:15:07pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

The case file on Clemmons was quite thick, but there were issues with a timely filing of paperwork in one case; a lack of witnesses willing to testify in another. Those kinds of things go on all the time in any justice system, but in Clemmons case, it goes back to the original decision to commute the sentence of someone who should not have been allowed out of prison given his criminal background to that date.

154 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #150 generalsparky

Heh. Is that even possible? I have yet to vote for a presidential candidate I could get behind completely. Every time I have voted for POTUS it has been a lesser of two evils vote.

and you are not alone.

155 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:16:28pm

re: #152 algorerhythm

The most disturbing part about Palin is she doesn't realize that she's done. I guess she just wants to make sure(that she finishes herself off).

she's just getting started...

156 KingKenrod  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:16:38pm

The real problem with Palin's original statement, which was:

Palin: I think the public rightly is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bothered to make it an issue because I think there are enough members of the electorate that still want answers.

is that she's talking about birtherism in the present tense. During the campaign, it was perfectly fair to ask for Obama's citizenship status, just like it would be perfectly fair to make sure he was over the age of 35 or whatever it is the Constitution requires.

After Obama supplied proof, the question became unfair as did any insinuation that he was not constitutionally qualified. That's the real problem with Palin's statement.

157 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:17:03pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Yes, Maurice Clemmons was not freed by Huckabee...(but, Huckabee set the guy on the road to eventually being released. And, this manner of dealing with felons, etc., with a sob story appears to really have been an ongoing problem with Huckabee.)

158 Bagua  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:17:12pm

OT:

Houston braces for icy night after record early snowfall

"The Earliest in Houston's History.

159 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:17:27pm

re: #143 Cineaste

I wish he was a little more aware of the fact that he's not a very good bassist...

At least we only had to hear Clinton squawk away once on TV, Huckster jams with everyone who comes on his show. What is he, Paul Schaefer?

That "regular guy" or "hip guy" stuff goes a long way, I must admit. I so detested Bob Dole until he appeared on SNL. I had no idea how funny the man was. He's getting on now... but he had perfect timing.

Also when McCain was on SNL and sang a spin off/parody on Barbara Streisand, I almost peed my pants. Mainly because McCain can't carry a tune and he knows it, and because of it, it's quite humbling. Well IMO anyway heh

I don't like either man, but it certainly softened my impressions of them.

160 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:17:34pm

re: #150 generalsparky

You might check out the Modern Whig Party, we are building a base from which to run sensible candidates.

It is not quick work, but it is happening.

Whig Video

Yes, BBL ...

161 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:17:53pm

re: #158 Bagua

OT:

Houston braces for icy night after record early snowfall

"The Earliest in Houston's History.

Well, I guess that completely disproves global warming.

/dripping

162 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:18:06pm

re: #152 algorerhythm

The most disturbing part about Palin is she doesn't realize that she's done. I guess she just wants to make sure(that she finishes herself off).

I'm not convinced she's interested in pursuing a political career. She seems to have settled on being a professional gadfly, instead. Which brings in more dough, although only for a limited time, and her burn rate seems pretty high.

163 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:18:29pm

re: #156 KingKenrod

The real problem with Palin's original statement, which was:

is that she's talking about birtherism in the present tense. During the campaign, it was perfectly fair to ask for Obama's citizenship status, just like it would be perfectly fair to make sure he was over the age of 35 or whatever it is the Constitution requires.

After Obama supplied proof, the question became unfair as did any insinuation that he was not constitutionally qualified. That's the real problem with Palin's statement.

Mind you, i'm not an election law professor, but isn't one required to furnish those sorts of documents in order to run in the first place...meaning that once one is cleared to run for POTUS, the question becomes inane?

164 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #141 Kewalo

LOL I used to live on Kewalo St. I lived in HI for 30 yrs and now Seattle area. And yes! I miss HI. You are the first person that has heard of it and asked about it. Good on ya!

Grew up in Hawaii myself...

165 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #157 J.S.

Yes, Maurice Clemmons was not freed by Huckabee...(but, Huckabee set the guy on the road to eventually being released. And, this manner of dealing with felons, etc., with a sob story appears to really have been an ongoing problem with Huckabee.)

And as I stated. I'm not a fan (nor was) of Huckabee in the primaries nor going forward and his history on the usage of clemency/ commutation is troubling ,, TO ME. What I did say is that and that alone will not disqualify him in the minds of many from running again

166 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:19:27pm

BBIAB ,,, damn work , just when it was getting interesting here !

168 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:19:38pm

re: #156 KingKenrod

The real problem with Palin's original statement, which was:

is that she's talking about birtherism in the present tense. During the campaign, it was perfectly fair to ask for Obama's citizenship status, just like it would be perfectly fair to make sure he was over the age of 35 or whatever it is the Constitution requires.

After Obama supplied proof, the question became unfair as did any insinuation that he was not constitutionally qualified. That's the real problem with Palin's statement.

Eh Bullshit. So name any other candidate in the last 30 years who's citizenship was a question.

169 bosforus  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:19:48pm

re: #158 Bagua

OT:

Houston braces for icy night after record early snowfall

"The Earliest in Houston's History.

I like this caption:
Amy Ta, of Houston, poses as her friends [and at least one creepy opportunity leech photographer] take her picture during heavy snowfall today in downtown Houston.

170 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:19:49pm

re: #160 Ojoe

You might check out the Modern Whig Party, we are building a base from which to run sensible candidates.

It is not quick work, but it is happening.

Whig Video

Yes, BBL ...

In which crater is the base? I tried Clavius, nothing there but a weird rock.

171 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:20:26pm

re: #168 marjoriemoon

Eh Bullshit. So name any other candidate in the last 30 years who's citizenship was a question.

McCain...

172 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #153 lawhawk

The case file on Clemmons was quite thick, but there were issues with a timely filing of paperwork in one case; a lack of witnesses willing to testify in another. Those kinds of things go on all the time in any justice system, but in Clemmons case, it goes back to the original decision to commute the sentence of someone who should not have been allowed out of prison given his criminal background to that date.

Clemmons had asked for a 'time reduction'...Had Huckabee been paying attention, Clemmons would have been grateful for a reduction to 25 years (meaning he'd get out of prison in his 40s and not die there). Instead, Huckabee erases 108 years of sentence altogether. That in itself is reason enough to doubt his judgement as a potential CIC.

173 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:20:53pm

re: #167 Charles

Sarah Palin's fans push for 2012 presidential run.

The Dems are hoping and praying for this you know :)

174 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:21:17pm

re: #137 darthstar

Like Palin, Huckabee chooses his public venues very carefully. The View is a great place to rewrite the narrative regarding his clemency/commutation of Clemmons.

I have not looked up the crimes that Clemmons committed in Ark. but the way Huckabee stated them made sense. He said that Clemmons committed the crimes when he was 16, no rapes or murders and was sentenced to over 100 yrs. He said he commuted them to about 47 and Clemmons served over 10, and then was paroled.

It seems to me that if the above is true...over 100 yrs for a young man really is over the top and it appeared that most people hearing this yesterday agreed with him, including me. And as teed off as I've been about Ark sending us this heinous cop killer I still can sympathize with the position that Huckabee was in back then.

175 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:21:17pm

re: #158 Bagua

NY hit the mid 60s yesterday and November was among the 10 warmest in the past 100 years.

Sometimes the weather is just that - weather. We're supposed to get a snow mix tomorrow night as temps drop.

176 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:21:29pm

re: #151 Aceofwhat?

Speaking of, I heard this about Shaffer's book and i can't wait to find out if it's true. If it's true, then Shaffer gave Seinfeld the best gift he's ever received...

[Link: showhype.com...]

I don't know if I buy it. Wouldn't he really have had to be hand picked by Larry David since Larry wrote the character, it was based on Larry and Larry was the EP of the show? Regardless, thank goodness that didn't happen.

177 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:21:38pm

re: #171 brookly red

McCain...

Got any linkies? I have no recollection of that.

178 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:21:44pm

re: #165 sattv4u2

Yes. But I hope it will cause people to re-think Huckabee's suitability for political office...

179 Olsonist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:21:49pm

Sarah Palin's detractors push for 2012 presidential run.

180 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #171 brookly red

McCain...

Yeah, for about two seconds because he was actually born outside the country, until those who didn't know learned the relevant law that he was a natural born citizen, and everyone moved on.

181 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:22:55pm

re: #177 marjoriemoon

MSNBC Video
182 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:22:59pm

re: #167 Charles

Sarah Palin's fans push for 2012 presidential run.

Silver lining:

But Palin also has much higher negative ratings than her potential rivals, especially among Democrats and many independent voters. An ABC News/Washington Post poll taken in mid-November found 52 percent of those surveyed had a negative opinion of her, compared to 43 percent who viewed her positively.

183 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #177 marjoriemoon

Got any linkies? I have no recollection of that.

I remember it but I also remember Obama and some other Senate Democrats sponsoring a bill in the Senate that basically said that people born to US citizens in foreign countries should be treated the same as US born citizens. It was something like that. Sounded reasonable to me.

184 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:23:19pm

re: #155 brookly red

she's just getting started...

something tells me you're right.

185 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:23:27pm

re: #177 marjoriemoon

Got any linkies? I have no recollection of that.

he was born in the canal zone... any search will do.

186 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:23:31pm

re: #152 algorerhythm

Welcome, hatchling!

187 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:23:33pm

re: #167 Charles

Sarah Palin's fans push for 2012 presidential run.

Love this woman standing in line to have her book autographed...

"Still, even some of Palin's stalwart supporters don't necessarily see her as a likely 2012 contender.

"Do I think she's presidential material? Um ..." said Sandy Adrian, 38, at the Fayetteville book signing, pivoting one hand in a gesture of ambivalence, even though three copies of Palin's book were stacked in her shopping cart."

L
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188 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:24:50pm

re: #177 marjoriemoon

Got any linkies? I have no recollection of that.

McCain was born in the Panama canal zone and, though it was owned & operated by the US Military, it was technically not part of the US and not US soil. Some people theorized (though none terribly seriously - more as a fun exercise to counter the birthers) that McCain might not have been a natural-born US citizen since he wasn't born in the US.

189 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:24:59pm

re: #187 Aceofwhat?

Love this woman standing in line to have her book autographed...

"Still, even some of Palin's stalwart supporters don't necessarily see her as a likely 2012 contender.

"Do I think she's presidential material? Um ..." said Sandy Adrian, 38, at the Fayetteville book signing, pivoting one hand in a gesture of ambivalence, even though three copies of Palin's book were stacked in her shopping cart."

L
M
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There's a woman who's gonna make some money on e-Bay.

190 Soap_Man  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:25:18pm

re: #179 Olsonist

Ha! If I had 50+ comments at this point, you would have gotten an up-ding.

I guess I owe you one.

191 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:25:23pm

re: #180 Girth

Yeah, for about two seconds because he was actually born outside the country, until those who didn't know learned the relevant law that he was a natural born citizen, and everyone moved on.

Odd that the only 2 times it came up was in the same race, no?

192 freetoken  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:26:09pm

Dramatic re-creation:

Samoan Tsunami wave was 46 feet high

The tsunami that killed more than 200 people in the Samoan islands and Tonga earlier this year towered up to 46 feet (14 meters) high — more then twice as tall as most of the buildings it slammed into, scientists said Friday.

Ancient Volcano's Devastating Effects Confirmed

A massive volcanic eruption that occurred in the distant past killed off much of central India's forests and may have pushed humans to the brink of extinction, according to a new study that adds evidence to a controversial topic.

It's a Roland Emmerich world out there...

193 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:26:36pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

I remember it but I also remember Obama and some other Senate Democrats sponsoring a bill in the Senate that basically said that people born to US citizens in foreign countries should be treated the same as US born citizens. It was something like that. Sounded reasonable to me.

And of course, that rule would have applied to Obama as his mother was, without doubt, an American.

Some people were saying not that he was born in Kenya but that he was OLDER than he claimed and thus possibly born in Hawaii but before it became a state.

It was all nonsense of course.

194 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:26:37pm

OT

It's Snowing in Houston. Meanwhile, in KC we didn't get our first frost earlier until this week, which is unusual since it's normal to get them in Oct or November. Weather is tricksy.

195 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:26:39pm

re: #164 Charles

Grew up in Hawaii myself...

And of course the next question always is where did you go to school? LOL

I didn't grow up there, my son did, Roosevelt grad.

I'm old.

196 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:26:56pm

re: #190 Soap_Man

Dinged it up one for you!

197 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:27:45pm

re: #180 Girth

Yeah, for about two seconds because he was actually born outside the country, until those who didn't know learned the relevant law that he was a natural born citizen, and everyone moved on.

Knowing the relevant law never seemed to stand in the way of the birthers.

198 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:28:08pm

re: #171 brookly red

McCain...

yep.

199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:28:08pm

re: #182 Sharmuta

Yeah, but the people in that 52% aren't real Americans, so their votes don't count.
/

200 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:28:29pm

re: #181 lawhawk

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. How did I miss that tidbit?

I think he's a phony. He shouldn't be senator even! Did anyone check to see if he's circumsized?? Does he like Charles Schultz? Is his father Black??!!!

201 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:28:35pm

re: #162 SixDegrees

I'm not convinced she's interested in pursuing a political career. She seems to have settled on being a professional gadfly, instead. Which brings in more dough, although only for a limited time, and her burn rate seems pretty high.

Her burn rate is definitelyre: #180 Girth

Yeah, for about two seconds because he was actually born outside the country, until those who didn't know learned the relevant law that he was a natural born citizen, and everyone moved on.

McCain was born on a US Military base in Panama. So technically, it was considered US soil.

202 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:28:42pm

re: #194 Thanos

OT

It's Snowing in Houston. Meanwhile, in KC we didn't get our first frost earlier until this week, which is unusual since it's normal to get them in Oct or November. Weather is tricksy.

Agree. Hurricanes aren't proof of warming, and unusual snow isn't proof that it isn't warmer. Weather doesn't equal climate.

203 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:28:56pm

re: #191 brookly red

Odd that the only 2 times it came up was in the same race, no?

Only inasmuch as one of the candidates was a man who was not born inside the United States and the other was black.

204 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:29:12pm

re: #190 Soap_Man

Ha! If I had 50+ comments at this point, you would have gotten an up-ding.

I guess I owe you one.

Noticed that myself on another comment.

205 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:29:19pm

re: #201 darthstar

oops...had a previous quote in that post which I'd decided not to comment on and forgot about...

206 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:29:30pm

re: #194 Thanos

OT

It's Snowing in Houston. Meanwhile, in KC we didn't get our first frost earlier until this week, which is unusual since it's normal to get them in Oct or November. Weather is tricksy.

And snow predicted for Baton Rouge! That would make it two years in a row we had snow . . .

Meanwhile - where's Killgore?

This might be of interest - What Do Cats Do Home Alone?

207 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:30:00pm

re: #200 marjoriemoon

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. How did I miss that tidbit?

I think he's a phony. He shouldn't be senator even! Did anyone check to see if he's circumsized?? Does he like Charles Schultz? Is his father Black??!!!

I think he's actually a Vietnamese sekrit agent who they swapped with the REAL McCain while he was a POW. He dresses up like McCain and is secretly trying to help the aliens take over the world!!!

//as if I need to

208 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:30:35pm

re: #194 Thanos

OT

It's Snowing in Houston. Meanwhile, in KC we didn't get our first frost earlier until this week, which is unusual since it's normal to get them in Oct or November. Weather is tricksy.

Hold on to that KC property. It'll be beachfront (bi-coastal) soon!!
AGW, donchya know!
//

209 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:30:39pm

re: #194 Thanos

The weather in Edmonton has also been unusual (there was a warm spell in November -- broke all kinds of records...and it was continuing into December. But, now, suddenly weren't getting into much lower temperatures -- there's a blizzard forecast for today...up to 20 centimeters of snow with blowing winds.) But, as noted earlier, weather is not climate.

210 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:31:11pm

re: #202 Aceofwhat?

Agree. Hurricanes aren't proof of warming, and unusual snow isn't proof that it isn't warmer. Weather doesn't equal climate.

Why is this snow being wasted on Houston? We need it in the Sierras!

211 robdouth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:31:16pm

Not to pick nits, and not to support Palin, but your conclusion Charles is just slightly off. Sarah didn't say that since it's ok for them to do it to me, it's ok for ME to do it to them. It's more If it's ok for A to do this to me (B) then it's ok for A to do this to Obama (C) Not if A-->B then B-->A

It's why she clarified that she didn't. I think she's trying to make the "I don't agree with what you're saying, but I defend to the death your right to say it." line with slight modification. This still doesn't take away from her Creationism problems and many other disqualifications, but I think we have to try to get the whole truth first, then give our opinions, not force the facts to fit our preconceived notions.

212 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:31:37pm

re: #187 Aceofwhat?

Love this woman standing in line to have her book autographed...

"Still, even some of Palin's stalwart supporters don't necessarily see her as a likely 2012 contender.

"Do I think she's presidential material? Um ..." said Sandy Adrian, 38, at the Fayetteville book signing, pivoting one hand in a gesture of ambivalence, even though three copies of Palin's book were stacked in her shopping cart."

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Aceofcakes?

213 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:31:41pm

re: #164 Charles

Grew up in Hawaii myself...

Can I see a birth certificate, please?

214 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #203 Girth

Only inasmuch as one of the candidates was a man who was not born inside the United States and the other was black.

I think it's more that politics have moved to a place where it is desirable to try to take your opponent out on a technicality if you can then to run the risk of a trial...

215 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:32:16pm

re: #212 algorerhythm

Aceofcakes?

I couldn't think of anything that i was really the ace of, so i went with honesty...

bbl

216 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:32:35pm

re: #201 darthstar

McCain was born on a US Military base in Panama. So technically, it was considered US soil.

In fact I do think it was a little more complicated than that. I think he was born in the Canal zone which was on a long-term lease to the US. Our embassies generally are on owned property and granted a specific sovereignty by international law that I don't think, by definition, extends to things like the canal zone.

That being said, there is no doubt, whatsoever, that McCain is 100% qualified to be President and is absolutely a US citizen. Just a fun legal exercise to run through.

217 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:32:37pm

re: #213 Ben Hur

Can I see a birth certificate, please?

A long-form original.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:33:15pm

re: #215 Aceofwhat?

I couldn't think of anything that i was really the ace of, so i went with honesty...

bbl

:looking at your avatar:

Ace of FAILboats?

219 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:33:29pm

re: #193 Cineaste

And of course, that rule would have applied to Obama as his mother was, without doubt, an American.

Some people were saying not that he was born in Kenya but that he was OLDER than he claimed and thus possibly born in Hawaii but before it became a state.

It was all nonsense of course.

Well even if he was born in Hawaii before it became a state he'd still be eligible since it would be the same situation as Goldwater who was born in Arizona when it was still a territory. It is of course as you say nonsense and IMO just their way of undermining Obama. It's almost as if they think if Obama somehow is removed that Palin is going to come in on a white horse and make everything right for them again.

220 Bob Levin  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:34:04pm

Wait a second. Are we really criticizing a politician for pandering to the crowd? Isn't that the whole job description in a nutshell. Only rarely do they actually lead, they're not great problem solvers, not particularly creative, not all that talented in anything but double talk. Now, you could make the argument that she's pandering to a crazy crowd--but which politician isn't doing that? Independents win elections, the crowd you pander to contributes the money. It may be an ugly system, but it's the best we can do.

Regarding the Huckabee/Palin ticket--possibly. But if the main issue is the economy, then candidates need to step up who have expertise in the economy. Fixing the economy will be the winning ticket.

221 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:34:05pm

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, but the people in that 52% aren't real Americans, so their votes don't count.
/

Are they North Koreans?

222 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:34:50pm

re: #186 Floral Giraffe

Welcome, hatchling!

Thanks!

223 checked08  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:34:51pm

OH SNAP

TPM LiveWire
TN Mayor Calls Obama A Muslim In Racist Facebook Rant

SNIP
"Ok, so, this is total crap, we sit the kids down to watch 'The Charlie Brown Christmas Special' and our muslim president is there, what a load
SNIP


HAHAHAHAHA

224 freetoken  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:35:08pm

re: #220 Bob Levin

Wait a second. Are we really criticizing a politician for pandering to the crowd?

When they make idiotic statements... yes.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:35:17pm

re: #221 Sharmuta

No, they're just not real Americans. You know, city folk.
/

226 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #221 Sharmuta

Are they North Koreans?

/No, Manchurians.

227 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:36:13pm

re: #215 Aceofwhat?

I couldn't think of anything that i was really the ace of, so i went with honesty...

bbl

ah wasn't sure if you were refering to the show or the blogger.

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:37:14pm

re: #210 darthstar

Why is this snow being wasted on Houston? We need it in the Sierras!

Talk about nice snow, theres a skiing competition at VAIL this week. I'm taking it off of one satellite and putting it up on one for a client in Austria

I wish I was at Vail now!

229 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:37:21pm

re: #220 Bob Levin

Wait a second. Are we really criticizing a politician for pandering to the crowd? Isn't that the whole job description in a nutshell.

No, it's not business as usual for politicians to pander to insane conspiracy theories, and yes, I'm criticizing her for it.

230 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:37:40pm

re: #214 brookly red

I think it's more that politics have moved to a place where it is desirable to try to take your opponent out on a technicality if you can then to run the risk of a trial...

And then after you lose the trial, you keep insisting that your opponent is illegitimate because he really hasn't proven that he didn't lose on that technicality.

231 Cineaste  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:37:43pm

Speaking of Embassies & ownership. There's an old legend floating around England about the US Embassy there.

The embassy in London sits on land owned, not surprisingly, by the Duke of Westminster (most of London is owned by him). The US has a policy of owning the land its embassies sit on so they called the Grosvenor estate and enquired about purchasing the land (a freehold). The response was:

"We're sorry, but the Duke of Westminster does not sell freeholds."

US Embassy: "I'm not sure you understand. We're the US Government, this is our embassy, we really would like to purchase it, cost is not a problem."

Grosvenor Estate: "We are terribly sorry but the Duke simply does not sell freeholds."

US Embassy: "We understand. Perhaps we could arrange an exchange. We own vast tracks of land around England and the rest of the world. Perhaps we could trade?"

Grosvenor Estate: "The Duke of Westminster formerly held the freehold to the state of Virginia. We will consider a trade..."

:)

232 Ben Hur  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:37:56pm

re: #223 checked08

OH SNAP

TPM LiveWire
TN Mayor Calls Obama A Muslim In Racist Facebook Rant


HAHAHAHAHA

What an idiot.

If we've learned anything in the last few weeks, it's not that Obama is a secret Muslim, it's that Obama is a secret Japanese.

Seriously though, how many beers and sausages does a man have to have before people get a clue.

What race is Muslim, anyway?

233 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:38:13pm

Oh and is this birther stuff really still going on?

234 robdouth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:38:22pm

re: #224 freetoken

I agree with you on this. Normally I believe that you have to give politicians at least the chance to retract without jumping on them. (God knows what I would accidentally say if I was in the public eye every day), but if someone repeats or is consistent with stupidity, then you jump on them. I think if Sarah Palin is clarifying or retracting this specific statement, then you have to give her the benefit of the doubt once, but she's gotten enough rope to hang herself on the creationism stuff. Just don't make the same mistake others are on Obama. They hate 1,2,3 things specifically and they jump to conclusions without wiggle room.

235 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:38:31pm

re: #167 Charles

Sarah Palin's fans push for 2012 presidential run.

Too bad she can't form a ticket with Richard Nixon.

236 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:39:06pm

re: #230 Girth

And then after you lose the trial, you keep insisting that your opponent is illegitimate because he really hasn't proven that he didn't lose on that technicality.

that's it in an ACORN, er I mean nut shell...

237 Bagua  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:39:48pm

Houston braces for icy night after record early snowfall

"The Earliest in Houston's History.re: #175 lawhawk

[...]

Sometimes the weather is just that - weather. We're supposed to get a snow mix tomorrow night as temps drop.

Sometimes? Isn't the weather always weather?

Youtube Video
238 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:39:56pm

re: #206 reine.de.tout


Meanwhile - where's Killgore?

This might be of interest - What Do Cats Do Home Alone?


Cool!

239 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:40:54pm

re: #233 algorerhythm

Oh and is this birther stuff really still going on?

For as long as people like Palin stoke the fires...

BTW, I understand that unlike the rhythm method, which is very unreliable, the algorerhythm method, where you think about Al Gore during sex, is 100% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancy.

240 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:41:13pm

re: #210 darthstar

Why is this snow being wasted on Houston? We need it in the Sierras!

One hardly knows who to complain to.

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:41:23pm

So here's a strange news story. A while back, a dude tried robbing a liquor store (convenience store for you folks in Washington) with a bat. The owner leveled a rifle at him, and the would-be robber got on his knees, begging forgiveness, saying that he was robbing to feed his family. The owner gave him $40 bucks and a loaf of bread, and sent him on his way.

This week, the owner gets a letter of apology in the mail from the would-be robber and a $50 bill.

242 ssn697  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:42:17pm

I tried to read the Facebook comments. I really did.

But Palin supporters+birthers+Facebook= a level of stupidity that in nearly incomprehensible. 1670 comments and I couldn't make it through 30 without giving up in revulsion.

243 robdouth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:42:26pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

Did you check this with Snopes.com, because without a link, it sounds a little to "email forward - hey check out this story". Or is that just me?

244 Kragar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:42:50pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

"about 22 percent of the cats' time was spent looking out of windows plotting to take over the world,"

Fixed.

245 Soap_Man  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:42:58pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

I remember that. Didn't they also pray together? Or was that another botched robbery?

246 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:42:58pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

So here's a strange news story. A while back, a dude tried robbing a liquor store (convenience store for you folks in Washington) with a bat. The owner leveled a rifle at him, and the would-be robber got on his knees, begging forgiveness, saying that he was robbing to feed his family. The owner gave him $40 bucks and a loaf of bread, and sent him on his way.

This week, the owner gets a letter of apology in the mail from the would-be robber and a $50 bill.

The old documentary SCARED STRAIGHT comes to mind!

247 algorerhythm  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:44:33pm

re: #239 Girth

For as long as people like Palin stoke the fires...

BTW, I understand that unlike the rhythm method, which is very unreliable, the algorerhythm method, where you think about Al Gore during sex, is 100% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancy.

hahaha. I have this vision in my head of a gif of Al Gore doing some dance and that being my avatar, but I don't know how to make it happen. And yes the rhythm method is unreliable as I can attest to.

248 brookly red  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:44:34pm

re: #239 Girth

For as long as people like Palin stoke the fires...

BTW, I understand that unlike the rhythm method, which is very unreliable, the algorerhythm method, where you think about Al Gore during sex, is 100% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancy.

I think I would prefer to shoot myself...

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:44:44pm

re: #243 robdouth

Did you check this with Snopes.com, because without a link, it sounds a little to "email forward - hey check out this story". Or is that just me?

It was on TV, it must be true.
/

I'll see if I can find a link.

250 ssn697  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:45:19pm

re: #243 robdouth

Did you check this with Snopes.com, because without a link, it sounds a little to "email forward - hey check out this story". Or is that just me?

It is a true story. I saw a couple interviews with the store owner when the story broke

Your text to link....

251 Bob Levin  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:46:21pm

re: #229 Charles

I understand your point, but I don't see a lot of sanity in Washington. I suspect that if you examined each Congressman and followed the money you'd end up in quicksand more often that not. You know that the right doesn't have the patent on insane conspiracy theories.

252 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:46:37pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

but, but, but you're missing the whole point of that story. It was all about converting to Islam.

253 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:47:19pm

OT - best Washington Post correction ever?

Those Post guys sure are hip and jive to that rap-hop music the kids are jitterbugging so much to these days!

254 freetoken  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:48:02pm

As far as the UGLY among the Right is concerned, I see Malkin today has a "war on cops" post that is subtly but powerfully race laden.

Indeed, it didn't take long for her commenters to take the bait:

On December 4th, 2009 at 10:15 am, jjmurphy said:
I was raised to see each person as an individual, regardless of color, who had unlimited possibilities. I try and teach my kids the same. But, I have to say, it is getting real hard when I constantly read about whites being killed by blacks, mexicans, muslims, etc,. and the press always blames the white power structure, as if it actually exists.

My kids read this stuff, too. It is getting harder to explain the events such as those described in Michelle’s article. It is getting harder for me to keep believing it, too. I guess that just makes me a racist. Oh well….

On December 4th, 2009 at 11:02 am, thetoysurgeon said:
Blacks are angry because the police go after them because 9 times out of ten they are guilty of some crime or are in the act of committing one. They are feeling the heat, thats why the cops are hated. Damn popo interrupted my carjacking, drug deal, gun trade, pimpin. How many high profile blacks have gotten into trouble with the law in the past year? Not like anyone in the Obama administration is a criminal. There is a big cultural raising difference between whites and blacks concerning police. Blacks are taught at an early age that cops ( white or black) are the bad guys, where white kids are taught the police are to be respected and are known as the good guys. At least I know, if there is a race war, I know which side the police are on. Of course no one can stand up and denouce this because you would be call a racists. Not like race has anything to do with blacks gunning down whites. I am afraid that in the not to distant future blacks will be our own internal terrorists. Seems like they are embolden to take whitey out. Whites are subject to ‘Hate” crimes where blacks kill whites and get off scott free. Whites will get slaughtered until they had enough and start shooting back.

Gaahhh... Malkin is the worst of the race-baiters.

255 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:48:03pm

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

CNN has be playing and re-playing that story for days now...and it's about converting to Islam...

256 freetoken  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #254 freetoken

Well, I messed up the formatting on that one somehow...


But you get the idea.

257 Bob Levin  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:49:43pm

re: #229 Charles

Not to mention out and out corruption, that is, things that will land a person in jail. No shortage of that in DC.

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:50:22pm

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, here's the first part of the story, and the follow up.

259 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:50:25pm

re: #54 Charles

The way the right wing and the Republican Party are going, I don't think even Huckabee's clemency for a cop killer will deny him the nomination. The crazy is way too strong. They're just going to ignore all of that, and Sarah Palin's outrageous Birther remarks, and we're definitely going to see Huckabee and Palin running in 2012.

May your guesses (on this subject) be wrong...Huckabee/Palin would be the political equivalent of "crossing the streams".

/Ghostbusters

260 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:51:30pm

re: #255 J.S.

CNN has be playing and re-playing that story for days now...and it's about converting to Islam...

I hardly find that a relevant detail. Just my opinion.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:51:31pm

re: #200 marjoriemoon

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. How did I miss that tidbit?

I think he's a phony. He shouldn't be senator even! Did anyone check to see if he's circumsized?? Does he like Charles Schultz? Is his father Black??!!!

I find the circumcision obsession most alarming about the Birthers myself. After Clinton, I truly don't want to have to spend any time at all thinking about the presiden't genitals.

262 Soap_Man  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:52:33pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

That is a pretty great story.

263 sagehen  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:52:33pm

re: #253 Mad Al-Jaffee

OT - best Washington Post correction ever?

Those Post guys sure are hip and jive to that rap-hop music the kids are jitterbugging so much to these days!


Didn't that song come out in, like, 1989 or something?

264 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:52:38pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

uh-oh. I notice a number of discrepancies with this version of "the story." It differs from the CNN version...

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:53:22pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

A long-form original.

I swear, it's Governor Lingle I really feel worst for in all this.

266 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:53:34pm

Get ready for the next wave in "Climategate" as the UN sticks its nose in:

The UN, Climategate and the Viral Web's Hot Air

The United Nations has jumped into the controversy involving leaked emails on climate change data from the University of East Anglia, with a senior UN official saying Friday that his agency would investigate the matter.

The news may prompt a new series of blog posts, tweets and emails from climate change skeptics, who have used the scandal -- and the Web -- in recent days to advance claims of a conspiracy against their views among the media and scientific community. Scientists, in turn, may have to take some supplemental courses in communications in an Internet-centric world.

267 Girth  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:54:12pm

re: #254 freetoken

Malkin's trying to up her draft status for the white team in the racial draft.

[Link: www.comedycentral.com...]

268 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:54:46pm

re: #260 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, why do you think the thief mailed 50 dollars to the owner of the store? and signed the letter as a fellow Muslim? Coincidence? That's the whole point of the story.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:56:08pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Well even if he was born in Hawaii before it became a state he'd still be eligible since it would be the same situation as Goldwater who was born in Arizona when it was still a territory. It is of course as you say nonsense and IMO just their way of undermining Obama. It's almost as if they think if Obama somehow is removed that Palin is going to come in on a white horse and make everything right for them again.

These folks are really not thinking ahead, or rationally. They just want someone to punish Obama, and restore order in the universe.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:56:43pm

re: #223 checked08

OH SNAP

TPM LiveWire
TN Mayor Calls Obama A Muslim In Racist Facebook Rant


HAHAHAHAHA

My God, the Charlie Brown nut is a MAYOR of someplace?

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:56:57pm

re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth

No, they're just not real Americans. You know, city folk.
/

Small hands.

272 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #263 sagehen

Didn't that song come out in, like, 1989 or something?

Sometime in the 80s.

273 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:57:07pm

re: #267 Girth

Malkin's trying to up her draft status for the white team in the racial draft.

[Link: www.comedycentral.com...]

Love Chappelle's Show...too bad the stress and pressure of the business end got to him.

/big fan of the Haters ;-P

274 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:57:57pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

Memphis suburb.

275 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 12:59:23pm

rere: #266 Sharmuta

This is gonna be great. I can already see the resolution to select the committee for selecting the committee for ethical climatology...the UN is an equal-opportunity debris machine.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:01:35pm

re: #268 J.S.

That may be the way CNN is spinning it, but that's not the way my local news station was reporting it. They didn't even mention the words "muslim" or "convert", so for them "the whole point of the story" was about mercy and forgiveness.

Again, I hardly consider that detail relevant to the story, any more than I would consider the would-be robber wanting to "convert" to Christianity.

Apparently, according to your posts, CNN thinks differently.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:01:47pm

re: #254 freetoken

As far as the UGLY among the Right is concerned, I see Malkin today has a "war on cops" post that is subtly but powerfully race laden.

Indeed, it didn't take long for her commenters to take the bait:


On December 4th, 2009 at 11:02 am, thetoysurgeon said:
Blacks are angry because the police go after them because 9 times out of ten they are guilty of some crime or are in the act of committing one. They are feeling the heat, thats why the cops are hated. Damn popo interrupted my carjacking, drug deal, gun trade, pimpin. How many high profile blacks have gotten into trouble with the law in the past year? Not like anyone in the Obama administration is a criminal. There is a big cultural raising difference between whites and blacks concerning police. Blacks are taught at an early age that cops ( white or black) are the bad guys, where white kids are taught the police are to be respected and are known as the good guys. At least I know, if there is a race war, I know which side the police are on. Of course no one can stand up and denouce this because you would be call a racists. Not like race has anything to do with blacks gunning down whites. I am afraid that in the not to distant future blacks will be our own internal terrorists. Seems like they are embolden to take whitey out. Whites are subject to ‘Hate” crimes where blacks kill whites and get off scott free. Whites will get slaughtered until they had enough and start shooting back.

Gaahhh... Malkin is the worst of the race-baiters.

I read the article. Malkin should be ashamed. It's absolute crap, a perverse attempt to use horrific crimes to smear Obama.

278 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:02:35pm

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

Small hands.

Carnies...

279 darthstar  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:02:36pm

re: #254 freetoken
Malkin doens't do subtle. She, like Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin, wears her bias like a diamond tiara.

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:03:14pm

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

Smells of cabbage.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:03:28pm

re: #263 sagehen

Didn't that song come out in, like, 1989 or something?

It was a while ago.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:04:43pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Memphis suburb.

I thought he was just an unelected bozo with a Facebook page.

283 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:06:47pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought he was just an unelected bozo with a Facebook page.

That's "Honorable Mr. Bozo" to you--bozo with a constituency.

284 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought he was just an unelected bozo with a Facebook page.

He's an elected bozo handing out black eyes to Christians like mini KitKats on Halloween.

285 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:11:11pm

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, they do. The entire focus was on the store owner showing "mercy" for the thief (that's cause the store owner is an immigrant from Pakistan and a practicing Muslim), and he gives the thief 40 bucks and, the thief being overwhelmed at the mercy and generosity of the store owner decides that he, too, wants to become a Muslim! (and according to CNN -- the store owner converts the thief to Islam by having the thief repeat the Shahada.) Then, the store owner gives the thief a loaf of bread (along with the 40 bucks), and the thief takes off (all captured on surveillance film). Then, (x number of months later) the store owner gets the thank-you note and 50 bucks from the thief, who signs the letter as a fellow Muslim.

286 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #254 freetoken

[snip] Gaahhh... Malkin is the worst of the race-baiters.

In my estimation, these two have her beat by a country mile:

"...one of our own... might ...turn the tables on white racism"
--Rev Jeremiah Wright

"I'm talkin' 'bout Rev Nat Turner, the most effective preacher of our time..." (I won't repeat the rest)
--Malik Shabaaz (not Malcolm-X; the replacement for Khalid Abdul Muhammed as leader of the NBBP)

Yes, he said our time. Nat Turner died in 1831.

287 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:39:02pm

re: #285 J.S.

Isn't a story (stories) of similar ilk common across multiple cultures and/or time periods?

I recall reading a book in my youth that was based on (or translated) short children's stories from Old Japan (Tokyo was Edo) featuring a Japanese judge. One such story was him dealing with a rice thief. After ascertaining that the thief was stealing to prevent his family was starving the judge secretly arranged for the man to get employment, and left him a note in the merchant's rice warehouse that he was expected to re-pay what he had previously stolen.

288 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:41:56pm

PIMF: NBPP

289 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:52:27pm

Re: Japanese literature.

I did a quick search, and said Japanese judge actually existed.

Ooka Tdasuke

From the rest of the Wikipedia article I presume that the book I read was _The Marble Monster_ since I recall the statue on the cover illustration, and said story was a clever and subtle way for a parent to handle a situation between two children bragging about their parent's abilities.

290 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:56:12pm

Another minor correction - "one of the most effective preachers of our time" (not the most effective; wouldn't want to be accused of exaggerating)

291 J.S.  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:05:10pm

re: #287 oaktree

I recall the story of the "tongue-cut sparrow" -- it's about kindness and redemption...a variation on those who are kind vs those who would be cruel...Wiki classification...

292 Arthur McGowan  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:17:47pm

I understand that Obama went to Occidental on a Fulbright Scholarship, and that those are available only to citizens of foreign countries--i.e., those who are not citizens of the U.S.

Is this incorrect?

Also, Obama went to Pakistan in the early 1980s, at a time when Pakistan did not allow American citizens in.

Is this incorrect?

So, if true, there are two indications that Obama provided documentation, as an adult, that he was not an American citizen. Since there is no way that a non-citizen adult can become a "natural born citizen," it seems established that Obama is ineligible to be President.

I would like to see an explanation of how these two incidents do not establish that Obama is at this moment an illegal alien and not President.

293 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan

You have become what you previously detested.

170 Arthur McGowan11/26/2007 11:13:25 pm PST

I just spent more consecutive minutes than I ever have before reading posts at Daily Kos. Exhausting! Such verbosity!--with no facts. I notice how fond the Kos Kids are of hypotheticals: Their favorite way of "proving" someone is evil is rot like "I'm sure if Bush ran over a homeless family his limousine wouldn't even stop," or "I'd like to see somebody investigate..." The impotent, slobbering rage. One feels the influence of the gibbering idiot Thing at the bottom of Hell.

294 bosforus  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:25:17pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan


One minute into a Google search and I found this: Fulbright Scholarship

I'm not looking into the other one for you. Google your own conspiracy theories.

295 Neutral President  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan

The fact that his mother was a US citizen, and he was born in Honolulu, HI and a birth certificate actually has been shown, despite what the kooks would love to believe, establishes his US citizenship.

Everything else is:

Youtube Video

and Conspiracy theory bullshit.

296 KernelPanic  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:30:58pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan

You are going to have to step your birther game up my friend. Your simplistic little points were old news even before the election. You are really behind the times when it comes to current birther "logic"

(1) fulbright scholar issue
Summary: hoax attributed to non-existing AP report. Long since debunked.

(2) Pakistan travel issue.
Summary: no ban ever existed and there are several travel reports from that time in the US press describing US visitors and their experiences in pakistan

(I'd post links but you'd just disbelieve them ...)

297 djughurknot  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:32:01pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan
Seriously? Wow. Obviously you never applied for any of those scholarships. I know at least 5 Fulbright scholars, all US citizens. I might even apply for one myself if I can muster the enthusiasm. While the scholarships are available for non-U.S. citizens as well, they were initially intended as goodwill citizen ambassadorships to promote cultural ties between nations. And funny enough, he wasn't on one of them.

I really shoudn't need to post this:
But here comes the science, courtesy of Factcheck.org

/hmph.

298 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:34:23pm

re: #295 ArchangelMichael

Handy bit of video you have there!

299 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:35:34pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan

I would like to see you produce some actual proof that he is a citizen of another country. Or actual proof that he is not a legitimate citizen of the United States.

Because that's the way things work. If you're going to bring an accusation against someone, you're the one responsible for marshalling and presenting the evidence to back up your claim. Not through innuendo or suggestion or baseless accusation, but through real, tangible proof that you're correct.

The bullshit you've bleated out so far does not fall into this category in any sense.

Until you come up with actual evidence, quit wasting everyone's time with your histrionics. You're only trying to draw attention to yourself.

In summary: put up, or shut up.

300 blueraven  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:38:17pm

In the radio interview, Palin said she had produced the birth certificate for youngest child Trig. Not that I think she ever needed to do so, but did she? I remember only a scant medical report days before the election.

I just know she has told so many lies and wonder if she has set herself up here.

301 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 2:45:43pm

re: #44 MandyManners

you love it

302 blueraven  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan

Wow you must be some kind of super sleuth. ///

303 webevintage  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:05:08pm

re: #300 blueraven

In the radio interview, Palin said she had produced the birth certificate for youngest child Trig. Not that I think she ever needed to do so, but did she?

No.

304 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:07:29pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan

Nirthers are not welcome to spew their nonsense at LGF. There are plenty of conspiracy sites that will be happy to let you post comments - I suggest you go there instead.

305 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:57:00pm

re: #292 Arthur McGowan

Do you also want to see the birth certicifcate of the actore John Lithgow (born, alledgedly, in Rochester New York...) who was awarded a Fulbright Scholarship?...

306 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 3:57:39pm

re: #296 KernelPanic

ding ding

307 Hector1980  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 6:26:14pm

re: #54 Charles

The way the right wing and the Republican Party are going, I don't think even Huckabee's clemency for a cop killer will deny him the nomination. The crazy is way too strong. They're just going to ignore all of that, and Sarah Palin's outrageous Birther remarks, and we're definitely going to see Huckabee and Palin running in 2012.

I don't know about Huckabee. He doesn't seem to have the same aura of invulnerability Palin has. A lot of right wing blogs seem very happy throwing him under the bus.

If it had been Palin instead of Huckabee, I'd bet the same blogs would be saying it's the nefarious work of Obama's operatives trying to destroy her.

308 doubter4444  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 6:28:39pm

And KateMaclaren, why in the world would you up ding this? I have seen your posts, and I know you are rabidly anti Obama, but this? Really?
Et tu, Kate?
Are you now or have you ever been, a nirther?

309 oldegeezr  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 6:51:52pm
“...I understand that Obama went to Occidental on a Fulbright Scholarship, and that those are available only to citizens of foreign countries--i.e., those who are not citizens of the U.S.

“...Approximately 294,000 “Fulbrighters,” 111,000 from the United States and 183,000 from other countries, have participated in the Program since its inception more than sixty years ago. The Fulbright Program awards approximately 7,500 new grants annually. Currently, the Fulbright Program operates in over 155 countries worldwide.

“...Also, Obama went to Pakistan in the early 1980s, at a time when Pakistan did not allow American citizens in. Is this incorrect?

“...In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

“...I would like to see an explanation of how these two incidents do not establish that Obama is at this moment an illegal alien and not President.”

College kids do fun things Art... you have never, ever considered... exciting, yes...foolish, maybe...enlightening, absolutely...part of life and the learning experience that make parents shudder and politicians quake...!
I volunteered for service in Vietnam in 1962..as a 24 year olde...how dumb was that...?
Yes...!

310 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:28:13pm

re: #308 doubter4444

And KateMaclaren, why in the world would you up ding this? I have seen your posts, and I know you are rabidly anti Obama, but this? Really?
Et tu, Kate?
Are you now or have you ever been, a nirther?

Argh.

I'm so completely finished putting up with Birthers. And anyone who updings a Birther comment is welcome to follow them down the hole into Crazytown, because they are not welcome at my site. That was the last straw for katemaclaren.


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