Watch in awe as racist antisemite “conservative” Pat “Hitler Wasn’t So Bad” Buchanan (who, once upon a time, was marginalized on the right, but has now come raging back into the mainstream with all of his hatred and creepiness intact) defends Sarah Palin’s pandering to the mindless Birther “movement,” even as he admits it’s crazy.
Of course he did. Are you surprised?
Portrait of a right wing off the rails.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:02:12pm |
She was a fool to pander like she did. She'd made her grounding in reality and her honesty the cornerstones of her political appeal, only to throw them both away defending a tawdry delusion. Foolishness, thy name is Palin!
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albusteve Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:02:20pm |
television is a curse to those who misuse it...pundits are not the prophets people want them to be...I dig old westerns tho
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albusteve Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:03:23pm |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
She was a fool to pander like she did. She'd made her grounding in reality and her honesty the cornerstones of her political appeal, only to throw them both away defending a tawdry delusion. Foolishness, thy name is Palin!
oh, you want to diss somebody!...silly me
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:08:44pm |
Dear Pat Buchanan:
Spike Lee is not a politician with political aspirations.
Sincerely,
Gus
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:09:24pm |
re: #5 Gus 802
Dear Pat Buchanan:
Spike Lee is not a politician with political aspirations.
Sincerely,
Gus
You just jinxed us. Spike Lee is going to run for office now.
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:10:47pm |
I don't get Palin's logic (if she has any.)
She doesn't need to pander to birthers. She has her supporters who are going to vote for her. And if she were to get the 2012 nomination, she would not have to get birthers on her side. They are going to vote against Obama no matter what. That's why I didn't like McCain's decision to pick her. He didn't need to please the far right. They were going to vote for him by default because they would show up to vote against Obama.
If I were one of her advisers, my advice would be simple. "Dodge it as best you can. You need to go beyond your base if you plan on making significant strides on the national level. You have these voters and you most likely do not need to go out of your way to keep them. And while you're at it, get away from the camera and read a book or something so you don't look like a fool when people ask you tough questions."
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HC4BO Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:10:48pm |
The question is NOT whether it is fair to ask such questions as Sarah Palin wants to put it ...
The question is whether it is INTELLIGENT to keep asking those questions AFTER the questions HAVE BEEN answered ... !
IF Sarah Palin thinks just because rumors were started about her last born's parentage during her campaign last year are justification to keep on with this "birther" craziness, she must be deluded because I do NOT see ANYONE on a continuing crusade CURRENTLY calling on her to prove her baby's parentage ...
That is why rumors NEED to come to an end one way or another ( especially after they have been debunked ... )
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:11:22pm |
It's six degrees of Vlaams Belang Double Jeopardy Round!
Sarah is connected to Lynn Vincent who is connected to Stacy McCain who is an agent of the vlaams belang.
Pat is less difficult.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:11:47pm |
re: #3 albusteve
oh, you want to diss somebody!...silly me
I'm not dissing her. She forfeited my remaining respect for her by not calling this Nirther foolishness out as stupid. She came across to me as a pandering politico who refused to risk anything for the truth. I understand treading lightly to avoid offending people whose support you need, but she doesn't need the Nirthers nor should she want them.
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MandyManners Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:11:59pm |
Folks dressed like up like Eskimos.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:14:57pm |
re: #7 Soap_Man
If I were one of her advisers, my advice would be simple.
If I was one of Palin's advisors, I'd dangle a shiny object in front of her every time I thought she was getting close to a TV camera and lead her in the opposite direction.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:15:52pm |
Also:
Dear 'Right Wing',
As a Jew, I'd like you to explain the appeal of Pat Buchanan.
*this post not intended to imply that everyone on the right wing thinks he has appeal.
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Ojoe Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:16:38pm |
Why does Palin pander to her base? They will vote for her anyway. I don't get it. She is not acting rationally if her aim is to get elected.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:19:01pm |
re: #16 Ojoe
Why does Palin pander to her base? They will vote for her anyway. I don't get it. She is not acting rationally if her aim is to get elected.
If I were Sarah Palin I would never dream of running for President. She has a good gig being herself.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:19:03pm |
re: #16 Ojoe
Why does Palin pander to her base? They will vote for her anyway. I don't get it. She is not acting rationally if her aim is to get elected.
She likes having people fawn over her. Her base is all she has. If she can keep up the enthusiasm there, then she won't have to face the half-empty high-school gym scenario. Her biggest fear right now is doing a photo op and waving crazily to twenty or thirty supporters when the media was expecting 3000.
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:20:37pm |
re: #16 Ojoe
My guess is that A) The political operatives/handlers around her are just fawning yes men/women B) The political operatives/handlers around her are incompetent or C) She ignores the political operatives/handlers around her because she thinks the smartest person in the room.
My vote is for C.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:21:01pm |
re: #15 Obdicut
Also:
Dear 'Right Wing',
As a Jew, I'd like you to explain the appeal of Pat Buchanan.
*this post not intended to imply that everyone on the right wing thinks he has appeal.
Hell, i'll do you one better...
Dear 'Right Wing'
As a person who leans right, I'd like you to explain the appeal of Pat Buchanan...
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:21:23pm |
re: #6 Obdicut
You just jinxed us. Spike Lee is going to run for office now.
His campaign slogan: Do the Wright Thing?
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:21:24pm |
re: #19 Soap_Man
My guess is that A) The political operatives/handlers around her are just fawning yes men/women B) The political operatives/handlers around her are incompetent or C) She ignores the political operatives/handlers around her because she thinks the smartest person in the room.
My vote is for C.
A
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Racer X Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:21:56pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:02pm |
re: #20 Aceofwhat?
Hell, i'll do you one better...
Dear 'Right Wing'
As a person who leans right, I'd like you to explain the appeal of Pat Buchanan...
And - "Right Wing" gets the same question from this right-leaning person .. .
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:13pm |
Dear MSNBC,
As a person who leans left, wtf are you doing giving Pat Buchanan a platform???
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:25pm |
re: #16 Ojoe
Why does Palin pander to her base? They will vote for her anyway. I don't get it. She is not acting rationally if her aim is to get elected.
I think the kookservatives are believing their own press.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:50pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:55pm |
re: #20 Aceofwhat?
Hell, i'll do you one better...
Dear 'Right Wing'
As a person who leans right, I'd like you to explain the appeal of Pat Buchanan...
I find it hard to figure out who he appeals to.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:22:58pm |
re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist
If I were Sarah Palin I would never dream of running for President. She has a good gig being herself.
I think it's clear now that Palin's aim is to be a celebrity, not a politician. I gave her the benefit of the doubt when she resigned the governorship-- I thought there had to be a personal and family issue in the background. If she had truly resigned for those reasons I would commend her.
But everything she's done since has made it clear she resigned because she was bored being governor and had an eye on the main chance, and didn't care if she fucked over the people who elected her by bailing.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:23:25pm |
re: #25 jasona
Dear MSNBC,
As a person who leans left, wtf are you doing giving Pat Buchanan a platform???
Following the Sekrit DNC Playbook™.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:23:46pm |
re: #19 Soap_Man
My guess is that A) The political operatives/handlers around her are just fawning yes men/women B) The political operatives/handlers around her are incompetent or C) She ignores the political operatives/handlers around her because she thinks the smartest person in the room.
My vote is for C.
What makes you think these are mutually exclusive?
D= All of the above.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:24:16pm |
re: #19 Soap_Man
My guess is that A) The political operatives/handlers around her are just fawning yes men/women B) The political operatives/handlers around her are incompetent or C) She ignores the political operatives/handlers around her because she thinks the smartest person in the room.
My vote is for C.
Is "all of the above" an option?
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:24:21pm |
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darthstar Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:24:45pm |
re: #19 Soap_Man
My guess is that A) The political operatives/handlers around her are just fawning yes men/women B) The political operatives/handlers around her are incompetent or C) She ignores the political operatives/handlers around her because she thinks the smartest person in the room.
My vote is for C.
A. She got tons of unconditional attention during the campaign, and after the election had to go back to Alaska where she was out of the limelight...and she missed it--the clothes, the lights, the cameras, the screaming fans--so she quit being governor and is now spending all her time travelling around "real America" where she can relive the energy of the campaign.
Even that, however, isn't working too well for her as she got bored three days into her book signing tour and walked out of a signing half way through the event.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:25:43pm |
re: #30 Gus 802
Following the Sekrit DNC Playbook™.
Feh. My high school's football team had a better playbook.
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:25:59pm |
re: #31 iceweasel
On second thought, I believe you are correct.
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:26:36pm |
re: #25 jasona
Dear MSNBC,
As a person who leans left, wtf are you doing giving Pat Buchanan a platform???
It makes all conservatives look bad.
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swamprat Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:27:02pm |
re: #34 darthstar
A.
Even that, however, isn't working too well for her as she got bored three days into her book signing tour and walked out of a signing half way through the event.
The fact that you know what she did, at a book signing, is amazing.
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petero1818 Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:27:21pm |
re: #16 Ojoe
I don't know why anyone is trying to make sense of her actions. She is a moron. Morons often make no sense and act "irrationally". In the same interview today she claimed that the the McCain-Palin ticket faltered in that it didn't do a good enough job bringing attention to the connections and friends that Obama had and how they would impact him and his ideology. Really? Is that a joke? All I heard out of her mouth for the better part of a month was "Bill Ayres...radical...socialist...hockey mom...Bill Ayres..." She is a moron (did I mention that already?).
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:27:37pm |
re: #31 iceweasel
What makes you think these are mutually exclusive?
D= All of the above.
You forgot one option, Ice:
E. Ron Paul
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:27:56pm |
re: #34 darthstar
As I quote Soap Girl the second time tonight:
"It seems like Palin gets bored easily. Somebody needs to check her for ADD."
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:28:03pm |
re: #37 lightspeed
It makes all conservatives look bad.
I'm sure there's a grain of truth in there, yet Rachel Maddow really does seem to treat the man with respect when he's on her show.
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darthstar Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:28:16pm |
re: #38 swamprat
The fact that you know what she did, at a book signing, is amazing.
It was in the news. We're subjected to everything Sarah does...or doesn't do.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:29:23pm |
re: #39 petero1818
We try to understand people's motive here, Petero, not just hurl insults like 'moron'. You're still new here, you'll learn more if you spend more time here.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:29:35pm |
re: #34 darthstar
A. She got tons of unconditional attention during the campaign, and after the election had to go back to Alaska where she was out of the limelight...and she missed it--the clothes, the lights, the cameras, the screaming fans--so she quit being governor and is now spending all her time travelling around "real America" where she can relive the energy of the campaign.
Even that, however, isn't working too well for her as she got bored three days into her book signing tour and walked out of a signing half way through the event.
She probably has her own "hospitality rider."
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:29:54pm |
re: #43 jasona
I'm sure there's a grain of truth in there, yet Rachel Maddow really does seem to treat the man with respect when he's on her show.
Creepy, isn't it? He is a useful idiot. It's the same reason O'Reilly has Medea Benjamin of Code Pink and other like her on all the time. They make the left look foolish.
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:30:12pm |
re: #39 petero1818
All she has done is bad mouth the McCain campaign since she's gone rogue.
That's gratitude for you.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:32:16pm |
re: #48 lightspeed
Creepy, isn't it? He is a useful idiot. It's the same reason O'Reilly has Medea Benjamin of Code Pink and other like her on all the time. They make the left look foolish.
Uh, please note that Sean Hannity has Pat Buchanan on his show often, and introduces him as "The great Patrick J. Buchanan."
Sorry, foisting this off on the "left" is a ridiculous attempt at rationalization. The right owns people like Pat Buchanan. William F. Buckley tried to exorcise the Buchanans and the Sobrans. And clearly, he failed.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:32:46pm |
re: #48 lightspeed
Yeah. I'm reminded of how Jon Stewart brought down Crossfire single-handedly by pointing out that what they (the cable networks) do doesn't help advance debate in the slightest. It's not about getting to know your opponent to ease conflict, but rather to ramp it up. *sighs*
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Bob Levin Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:32:59pm |
Okay Charles, point taken. But it's not so much of a point as it is a very wide net. And Buchanan was on MSNBC with Matthews. It's almost as if American Politics is really just one big Truman Show.
Regarding the general question of pandering--it's how you raise money. The rest of us just vote, those with a cause will contribute money. Sarah is a very ambitious person, wants to raise lots of money, and she's saying the things that those who will give her money want to hear.
So what's real? You have Sarah Palin saying two things, Pat Buchanan defending her, saying three things, all on a very partisan liberal network, with an almost conspiracy minded liberal host...there really isn't anyway of knowing what's real. But it's easy to see what's wrong.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:33:20pm |
re: #48 lightspeed
Creepy, isn't it? He is a useful idiot. It's the same reason O'Reilly has Medea Benjamin of Code Pink and other like her on all the time. They make the left look foolish.
Medea Benjamin has been on O'Reilly? More than once?
Crud, the things I learn here.
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brookly red Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:33:44pm |
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William of Orange Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:34:03pm |
The fact that they make fun about four police officers killed is absolutely tasteless!!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:35:06pm |
re: #58 William of Orange
The fact that they make fun about four police officers killed is absolutely tasteless!!
Who is doing that?
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:35:24pm |
re: #53 Charles
Uh, please note that Sean Hannity has Pat Buchanan on his show often, and introduces him as "The great Patrick J. Buchanan."
Sorry, foisting this off on the "left" is a ridiculous attempt at rationalization. The right owns people like Pat Buchanan. William F. Buckley tried to exorcise the Buchanans and the Sobrans. And clearly, he failed.
Yeah, but I expect to see Pat on a show like Hannity or Beck. My gripe with MSNBC is that they're giving a platform to him when they could bring on more moderate conservatives. People who might actually make a Liberal like myself stop and think for a moment. When I see Pat with Matthews, Maddow, Shuster, etc., I can't help but dismiss him out of hand.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:36:12pm |
re: #58 William of Orange
The fact that they make fun about four police officers killed is absolutely tasteless!!
Huh? Where did you see this?
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:36:17pm |
I liked Sarah after her introduction speech. I was pumped up and ready to go pull the lever.
Since then, she's been one disappointment after another, and now on this book tour she looks vindictive and ungracious- undignified. That's not the temperament I want in a President, regardless if it were Sarah Palin or anyone else for that matter.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:37:23pm |
re: #55 Bob Levin
Regarding the general question of pandering--it's how you raise money. The rest of us just vote, those with a cause will contribute money.(snip)
So what's real? You have Sarah Palin saying two things, Pat Buchanan defending her, saying three things, all on a very partisan liberal network, with an almost conspiracy minded liberal host...there really isn't anyway of knowing what's real. But it's easy to see what's wrong.
I'm sorry, I have to object both to the notion that only people 'with a cause' contribute money (or work on campaigns), and I have to point out the hilarity and hypocrisy involved in someone who is presumably on the 'right' endorsing a relativistic 'What is truth anyway?' stance.
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:37:33pm |
re: #53 Charles
Uh, please note that Sean Hannity has Pat Buchanan on his show often, and introduces him as "The great Patrick J. Buchanan."
Sorry, foisting this off on the "left" is a ridiculous attempt at rationalization. The right owns people like Pat Buchanan. William F. Buckley tried to exorcise the Buchanans and the Sobrans. And clearly, he failed.
Yes. I've seen him on Hannity. No attempt here to foist it on the left. Buckley recognized Buchanan as an anti-semite long ago. The fact that the right continues to tolerate him is morally repugnant.
I don't blame MSNBC for using him as they do. As long as he is still a member in good standing on the right he brings the rest of us down. Ship him off with David Duke already.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:37:34pm |
re: #60 jasona
Yeah, but I expect to see Pat on a show like Hannity or Beck. My gripe with MSNBC is that they're giving a platform to him when they could bring on more moderate conservatives. People who might actually make a Liberal like myself stop and think for a moment. When I see Pat with Matthews, Maddow, Shuster, etc., I can't help but dismiss him out of hand.
I think you're both right. Is it a succinct summary to say that it's the right's fault that the left can exploit Pat for ratings?
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William of Orange Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:37:35pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:38:18pm |
re: #60 jasona
Yeah, but I expect to see Pat on a show like Hannity or Beck. My gripe with MSNBC is that they're giving a platform to him when they could bring on more moderate conservatives. People who might actually make a Liberal like myself stop and think for a moment. When I see Pat with Matthews, Maddow, Shuster, etc., I can't help but dismiss him out of hand.
Pat Buchanan is absolutely representative of the mainstream right wing in 2009.
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William of Orange Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:38:36pm |
Anyway, I'm off to bed. It's 5;38 AM over here...
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:39:11pm |
re: #68 Charles
Pat Buchanan is absolutely representative of the mainstream right wing in 2009.
Hmm... I'm trying to refute that.
It's gonna take me some time...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:39:23pm |
re: #68 Charles
Pat Buchanan is absolutely representative of the mainstream right wing in 2009.
Eh, I think he's a little old-fashioned.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:39:43pm |
re: #71 jasona
yeah, i thought for a second about replying too...was saddened to come up empty.
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:40:27pm |
re: #60 jasona
That's how they make themselves look good. Bring on a fool who is easy to make a fool of. Or you do the opposite, like Olbermann does right after his intro rant.
Olbermann: Now I would like to welcome my guest, Mr. Left Wing Hack. Now Mr. Hack, don't you agree with me completely? Why don't you take the next four minutes just rephrasing what I just said to reinforce to the audience how right I am.
Mr. Hack: That's a great point Kieth. You are absolutely correct. Rabble, rabble, rabble.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:40:46pm |
re: #73 Aceofwhat?
yeah, i thought for a second about replying too...was saddened to come up empty.
I know! It's such an odd feeling. But he has a point. We look for idealogues, and he's not far from the top there.
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:40:58pm |
re: #68 Charles
Pat Buchanan is absolutely representative of the mainstream right wing in 2009.
I hope to God you are wrong about that. The far right, yes, but mainstream right? Can't go there with you, at least not yet.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:41:05pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
Eh, I think he's a little old-fashioned.
The brownshirts are so ...fascist-nista. Last season's fascist-nista, yet.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:41:37pm |
re: #74 Soap_Man
Okay, you made me laugh. Point to you.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:41:57pm |
From Palin's Norman OK book signing:
...by all the copies of Alex Jones’s Fall Of The Republic DVD that were handed out to Palin fans out in the Hastings parking lot...
[Link: oklahoma.watchdog.org...]
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:42:32pm |
re: #74 Soap_Man
He was so good on sportscenter...it's a shame.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:42:44pm |
re: #76 lightspeed
I hope to God you are wrong about that. The far right, yes, but mainstream right? Can't go there with you, at least not yet.
Pat Buchanan's disgusting articles are published at EVERY right-wing news site. World Net Daily, Townhall, Human Events, Newsmax, Fox News, etc. etc.
He's as mainstream as it gets.
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:43:28pm |
re: #81 Charles
Pat Buchanan's disgusting articles are published at EVERY right-wing news site. World Net Daily, Townhall, Human Events, Newsmax, Fox News, etc. etc.
He's as mainstream as it gets.
Doesn't he get posted at Vdare too?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:43:38pm |
re: #74 Soap_Man
Hi. Pleased to meet ya! Welcome aboard!
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bosforus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:43:40pm |
re: #71 jasona
Hmm... I'm trying to refute that.
It's gonna take me some time...
While you're thinking about it, try a two fingered hand stand.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:44:07pm |
re: #85 bosforus
While you're thinking about it, try a two fingered hand stand.
I don't bend that way.
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:44:14pm |
re: #80 Aceofwhat?
He was so good on sportscenter...it's a shame.
He's still pretty good on Sunday Night Football. I miss the days when Sportscenter was hosted by him and Dan Patrick. Good times.
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:44:52pm |
re: #81 Charles
Pat Buchanan's disgusting articles are published at EVERY right-wing news site. World Net Daily, Townhall, Human Events, Newsmax, Fox News, etc. etc.
He's as mainstream as it gets.
Point well taken. Almost never read anything on those sites, though. Fox News and Newsmax every now and again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:45:14pm |
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Kewalo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:45:46pm |
re: #37 lightspeed
As a person who is a leftie, I'd just like to say the Buchanan doesn't make conservatives look bad. He's in a class by himself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:45:53pm |
re: #81 Charles
Pat Buchanan's disgusting articles are published at EVERY right-wing news site. World Net Daily, Townhall, Human Events, Newsmax, Fox News, etc. etc.
He's as mainstream as it gets.
Not to mention being syndicated in national newspapers.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:45:56pm |
re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist
Some people never learned when to stop talking.
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Soap_Man Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:46:07pm |
re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hi. Pleased to meet ya! Welcome aboard!
Pleased to meet you as well, FBV.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:46:24pm |
I was going to post something about shrieking harpy Pamela Geller's latest inept smear job, and then I realized that there are many more important targets than an illiterate alcoholic hate-mongering moron.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:46:47pm |
re: #91 Aceofwhat?
participated???
I think he's trying to find a way to say "I was set up," without actually saying it.
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BruceKelly Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:46:49pm |
re: #2 albusteve
...I dig old westerns tho
me too...
/typed while using my best Clint Eastwood squinty glare
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Petero1818 Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:47:56pm |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
Wow thats a lot of condescension in one post. Trust me when I say you do not have the right to it. I do not just hurl insults lightly. I meant what I say. It is sometimes the case that trying to understand the motivations of an idiot is a fools errand. That is fact and not opinion. Peoples actions are not always rational and not always thought out. I believe she speaks off the cuff without planning and without proper thought regarding the implications that can be drawn from her statements. I believe that is the mark of a moron. I may be new here, as you state, but I am not new to analyzing politics, and trust me when I say I really don't need to learn anything from you. I am always open to hearing other's viewpoints, but such condescension is laughable.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:48:07pm |
re: #95 Charles
My mother reads that site constantly. Gellar's made t so I can't talk about politics with her anymore.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:48:27pm |
re: #95 Charles
I was going to post something about shrieking harpy Pamela Geller's latest inept smear job, and then I realized that there are many more important targets than an illiterate alcoholic hate-mongering moron.
Oh Charles. Post something about Pam's latest smear job. The night is young, and the lizards are starting to drink.
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:49:30pm |
re: #95 Charles
I was going to post something about shrieking harpy Pamela Geller's latest inept smear job, and then I realized that there are many more important targets than an illiterate alcoholic hate-mongering moron.
There's her friend Geert Wilders. He wants the Netherlands to ban minarets too.
[Link: www.rnw.nl...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:50:21pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
I think he's trying to find a way to say "I was set up," without actually saying it.
"See? Well... yeah! God made me horny. And I was, uh... well, horny... and Alexander Graham Bell invented the Telephone... and then some guy named... I think it was 'Yella' invented the yellow pages. Then, Algore created the internets and chicks started putting their pictures and stuff on the internets and told me they'd do... uh... horny stuff to me for money.
"Yeah. Alexander Graham Bell, God, and Algore set me up."
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:50:47pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh Charles. Post something about Pam's latest smear job. The night is young, and the lizards are starting to drink.
I disagree. Lowly folks reach up with outbursts to try to engage someone they perceive to be higher/more powerful/more successful/etc. Let her remain beneath you.
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:51:05pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh Charles. Post something about Pam's latest smear job. The night is young, and the lizards are starting to drink.
She'd enjoy the attention.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:51:55pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh Charles. Post something about Pam's latest smear job. The night is young, and the lizards are starting to drink.
Who? Meee?
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:52:03pm |
re: #105 Aceofwhat?
I disagree. Lowly folks reach up with outbursts to try to engage someone they perceive to be higher/more powerful/more successful/etc. Let her remain beneath you.
Geller whores for traffic. Let her starve.
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bosforus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:52:57pm |
re: #108 iceweasel
Hey weasel, when's the big day again? It didn't happen already did it?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:56:21pm |
Regardless of what you think about Andrew Sullivan's slightly crazy theories about Sarah and Trig Palin, I think we can all agree that Dan Riehl is one of the most vile, bigoted Neanderthal throwbacks currently blogging on the right. And that's saying plenty. Here's what he wrote about Sullivan today.
[Link: www.riehlworldview.com...]
Get a sex change, or at least start wearing Red outfits and high heels around the house playing Sarah dress-up for yourself and whatever gutter trash you can round up at the local adult book store. You look like an aging queen on her knees at some gloryhole waiting for a miraculous birth certificate to be slipped in from the next stall so you can engage your latest perversion until you climax all over yourself.
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Kewalo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:56:54pm |
re: #100 lightspeed
LOL after I posted it I read the other posts and was thinking "oh shit! I guess I got that wrong." Nice to see someone else can agree with me. I really hate Buchanan but for some reason I've never put him strictly in the conservative camp. IMO he's just an old bigot, without a real home.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:57:08pm |
These are reprints. A limerick each for Sarah and Pat.
Don't flog us your mad schemes political.
We can see you're an object of ridicule.
You would sell your own kids
If your polls hit the skids
And the press said to dump them was critical.
A Catholic fascist, Buchanan,
Was known for his love of the cannon.
But only when turned
On people he spurned.
Such as Jews, Gypsies, Poles and O'Bannon.
Copyright 2009 Cato the Elder
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:57:15pm |
re: #110 Charles
Regardless of what you think about Andrew Sullivan's slightly crazy theories about Sarah and Trig Palin, I think we can all agree that Dan Riehl is one of the most vile, bigoted Neanderthal throwbacks currently blogging on the right. And that's saying plenty. Here's what he wrote about Sullivan today.
[Link: www.riehlworldview.com...]
Wow. Classy.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:57:20pm |
re: #109 bosforus
Hey weasel, when's the big day again? It didn't happen already did it?
Nope! Soon though! (frighteningly soon!)
Watch for the sky to turn as dark as sackcloth and the moon as red as blood. 40 years of darkness, zombie reagan rising from the grave to lead the GOP...Dogs and cats will live together.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:57:42pm |
re: #110 Charles
nauseating, indefensible tripe. i don't have the stomach to click through.
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Bob Levin Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:58:23pm |
re: #64 iceweasel
I guess we're just not communicating. How else do politicians raise money? Who do they go to? For big money, you go to those who want a piece of power. For small contributions, you go to people who have a cause. In other words, in other words, you ask those care enough about a specific issue or a particular side of the fence to give a small amount. You give the impression that you're going to represent their interests.
Regarding my question about what's real--not a big philosophical question here. If I'm in a room and Buchanan walks in, I walk out. That's pretty simple. And there's a good chance I'll need some Pepto immediately after. I'm not going to play buddy buddy with him, and that's what the 'politically principled' Chris Matthews did.
That being said, I'll admit being a hypocrite, my actions don't always match my words or beliefs. But I think that's a perfectly normal part of living life for just long enough to manage that feat.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:58:27pm |
re: #110 Charles
Regardless of what you think about Andrew Sullivan's slightly crazy theories about Sarah and Trig Palin, I think we can all agree that Dan Riehl is one of the most vile, bigoted Neanderthal throwbacks currently blogging on the right. And that's saying plenty. Here's what he wrote about Sullivan today.
[Link: www.riehlworldview.com...]
Considering that another is ace of spades, it's saying plenty.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:58:48pm |
re: #110 Charles
Regardless of what you think about Andrew Sullivan's slightly crazy theories about Sarah and Trig Palin, I think we can all agree that Dan Riehl is one of the most vile, bigoted Neanderthal throwbacks currently blogging on the right. And that's saying plenty. Here's what he wrote about Sullivan today.
[Link: www.riehlworldview.com...]
That's a rather perverted little screed from Dan Riehl. Although expected considering his frequent sexually debauched Tweets that he shares with other far-right bloggers such as Robert Stacy McCain.
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swamprat Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:59:06pm |
re: #85 bosforus
While you're thinking about it, try a two fingered hand stand.
I had the privilegde of seeing this done; very very slowly. The person started fron the typical feet-folded-in-the-knees sitting position. Then placed a finger on the ground. Slowly lifted to where he was just two inches off the ground. Slowly raised a bit higher and started unfolding his legs. Went to the position where he was straight as a board and had his elbows tucked in his sides as he supported himself one foot off the ground, then changed to the "candle" position by arching backwards and then went to a handstand. He never touched the ground with anything other than his fingers, and the whole thing was in slow motion. He was about 14, and had come to the city recreation center for further training. He quickly realized he was way above what they were doing.
And I realized I had just seen something very, very special.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:59:34pm |
re: #41 Racer X
[Video]
I can't decide if this is what Killgore Trout does when the cats are away, or if it's what his cats do when he's away!
LOL!
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Cato the Elder Fri, Dec 4, 2009 8:59:59pm |
re: #110 Charles
Regardless of what you think about Andrew Sullivan's slightly crazy theories about Sarah and Trig Palin, I think we can all agree that Dan Riehl is one of the most vile, bigoted Neanderthal throwbacks currently blogging on the right. And that's saying plenty. Here's what he wrote about Sullivan today.
[Link: www.riehlworldview.com...]
I got comments like that when I first "came out" against Palin.
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Sharmuta Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:00:34pm |
re: #120 Gus 802
This is the guy who smeared Mr Sparkman as a pedophile. Why should we be surprised he'd do this to anyone else if he could do it to the dead?
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:01:42pm |
re: #124 Sharmuta
This is the guy who smeared Mr Sparkman as a pedophile. Why should we be surprised he'd do this to anyone else if he could do it to the dead?
I still think they're all a bunch of closet cases.
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carefulnow Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:01:51pm |
Just curious - is that Single Muslim ad new?
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:02:17pm |
re: #110 Charles
Ah. So when someone else clamors for a birth certificate they get this treatment. Gotcha.
(Not that I particularly enjoy Sully's Trig postings. Honestly, just leave it alone.)
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Kewalo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:02:39pm |
re: #110 Charles
OMG! No matter what someone thinks about Andrew (I happen to enjoy his blog) to put that filth in a blog is just stomach turning.
Charles, I know you've been following the AGW news and wonder if you saw this at the Dish yesterday. It's OT but I thought you might enjoy it.
It's The Computer Code, Silly, Ctd
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:03:06pm |
re: #126 carefulnow
Just curious - is that Single Muslim ad new?
No. The ads are automatically placed by Google Adsense.
Why do you ask?
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:03:39pm |
re: #111 Kewalo
LOL after I posted it I read the other posts and was thinking "oh shit! I guess I got that wrong." Nice to see someone else can agree with me. I really hate Buchanan but for some reason I've never put him strictly in the conservative camp. IMO he's just an old bigot, without a real home.
I wish he were so easy to dismiss, but he still maintains a veneer of respectability among too many on the right. I am so sick of seeing him on TV. I mean, the man wrote an entire book making excuse for Hitler! HITLER, for crying out loud! How does he still have a career?!!
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bosforus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:03:47pm |
re: #114 iceweasel
Awesome! I've been married for 1.5 years now and I must say it is highly desirable and the happiest piece of my life. If I'm not mistaken you and Jimmah are currently living together for the last month or so? My wife and I were the exact opposite - she finished school and went back home while I stayed in Utah so we didn't see each other for the month before our wedding. Next thing I knew we were married and living together! Quite the change but somehow I managed to adjust. ;)
Anywho, congrats again and best wishes!
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swamprat Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:04:55pm |
re: #127 jasona
Pretty much, yes. Nirthers get equal-opportunity ridicule.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:05:36pm |
re: #110 Charles
You know, it doesn't seem like most of those comments are very positive for Dan.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:05:37pm |
re: #130 lightspeed
I wish he were so easy to dismiss, but he still maintains a veneer of respectability among too many on the right. I am so sick of seeing him on TV. I mean, the man wrote an entire book making excuse for Hitler! HITLER, for crying out loud! How does he still have a career?!!
It's not a "veneer" of respectability. His articles are published at EVERY conservative news site, and he's a frequent guest on both Fox and MSNBC. And you can find numerous right wing bloggers who praise him and link to his articles.
Pat Buchanan could not possibly be any more mainstream.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:06:50pm |
re: #124 Sharmuta
This is the guy who smeared Mr Sparkman as a pedophile. Why should we be surprised he'd do this to anyone else if he could do it to the dead?
Riehl has also smeared others with homophobic slurs, and defended himself by pointing to his own brother. His own dead, gay brother who he hadn't seen in years, but invoked as evidence that he didn't hate gay people and couldn't mean anything by it when he used homophobic terms about bloggers he didn't like:
safe link
That was an older brother of mine, John. He’s dead and, yes, he was Gay. You want to know how he died? He died alone, probably of aids for all I know and probably in a San Francisco flop house living on the government’s dime. I say probably because it was the last address I ever had for him from letters exchanged, not having seen the boy/man since I was about 15.
And you know why he died alone? Not because he was Gay. He died that way because of small minded assholes who think that being Gay in America is a crime. And who is perpetuating that stereotype and trying to benefit from it, today, Cole? Me? Because I can mock someone whether they are straight or gay, because the orientation has no bearing on how I treat someone, one way or the other?
***
And don’t you dare try to turn this into another prime example of intolerance on the Right, when clearly it is not.
It is but another new low low in the all time record book of disgusting liberal tactics which have nothing more noble as their goal than a power grab. And your unmoral defense of it is a corollary to its vulgar and ugly intent.
This is not the Right’s shame, no matter how you’ll try to make it so. It is the Left’s disgrace. I called you a c***S*** because of the weak-kneed lip service you are providing to your most repugnant cronies on the Left. Whether or not you derive some sexual gratification from giving them that service, I couldn’t care less.
all I'm saying is-- ISSUES.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:06:50pm |
re: #134 Charles
It's not a "veneer" of respectability. His articles are published at EVERY conservative news site, and he's a frequent guest on both Fox and MSNBC. And you can find numerous right wing bloggers who praise him and link to his articles.
Pat Buchanan could not possibly be any more mainstream.
Well, he could start shooting wolves from helicopters...
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:06:59pm |
re: #110 Charles
Lee Doren (CEI hack) Tweeted something stupid about you. It's rather light but dumb.
These people are beyond the pale. It's like something out of the 5th grade.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:07:00pm |
re: #110 Charles
Regardless of what you think about Andrew Sullivan's slightly crazy theories about Sarah and Trig Palin, I think we can all agree that Dan Riehl is one of the most vile, bigoted Neanderthal throwbacks currently blogging on the right.
I'll agree with you on Rhiel but Andrew Sullivan is still at it...
Palin Puts The Trig Question Back On The Table
She therefore backs this blog's near-solitary attempt to get her to provide evidence - after very serious questions of fact emerged - that she was indeed the biological mother of Trig.
...
Palin has never produced Trig's birth certificate or a single piece of objective medical evidence that proves he is indeed her biological son. A child with Down Syndrome must have a pile of such records, tests, assessments and ultrasounds that conclusively prove that he is Sarah's biological son. It seems bizarre to me that neither the public nor the campaign (so far as I can glean) has ever been given one of them.
...
lease, governor Palin, let's put this behind us. Only you can. I pledge to post any and all material you can provide debunking these stories soon as I receive any. I'd like this line of inquiry to end as soon as possible - for the sake of all of us, but especially the innocent child caught up in something he doesn't deserve.
At a time when it's so easy to demonstrate more class and appear less crazy than the wingnuts Sullivan still can't quite mange to make it back to reality. His obsession with Paliin's handicapped child is demented and perverse. There's absolutely no excuse for it.
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:08:14pm |
re: #134 Charles
Sigh, I suppose you are right. I just don't get it. Then again, I guess Hitler was mainstream in Germany. Not that I am comparing Buchanan to Hitler--he would enjoy that.
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jadespring Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:08:49pm |
re: #19 Soap_Man
My guess is that A) The political operatives/handlers around her are just fawning yes men/women B) The political operatives/handlers around her are incompetent or C) She ignores the political operatives/handlers around her because she thinks the smartest person in the room.
My vote is for C.
My vote is for all of the above. She thinks she's the smartest in the room and that leads to anyone that is competent either leaving or getting trashed so all that is left are the fawners and incompetents that don't rock whatever boat she's decided to float on that day or week. I used to be in politics and have seen it happen. People end up with just groups of yes men or women around them because their egos can't handle anything else. The best Pols always have people around them that don't agree with them. In politics having a few that have no problem telling you that you're being and idiot or moron can be your best friends, though incredibly annoying at times. Keeping it real and all that.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:09:55pm |
"I just want silence. Jesus, it doesn't mean I don't like you. It just means right now, I like silence more."
-Justin's Dad
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:10:14pm |
re: #121 swamprat
WOW! How lucky to have seen something like that!
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jaunte Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:10:43pm |
re: #140 jadespring
In politics having a few that have no problem telling you that you're being and idiot or moron can be your best friends, though incredibly annoying at times. Keeping it real and all that.
That would take some emotional maturity, which is in short supply everywhere.
Especially politics.
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:11:04pm |
re: #135 iceweasel
Riehl is vile. Sounds like he really DOES blame his brother's homosexuality for his death, even though he denies it ("probably of AIDS for all I know"). Disgusting.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:11:08pm |
re: #134 Charles
It's not a "veneer" of respectability. His articles are published at EVERY conservative news site, and he's a frequent guest on both Fox and MSNBC. And you can find numerous right wing bloggers who praise him and link to his articles.
Pat Buchanan could not possibly be any more mainstream.
When Pat was running for Prez (1992? I think so.), Letterman had a bit where he mentioned that it was 110 degrees in Phoenix the day before and that Buchanan was campaigning in town. "Thank God," said Dave, "it was a dry hate."
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Mich-again Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:11:43pm |
Should a Presidential candidate have to show a birth certificate? If not, then why does my kid need one for Little League baseball.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:11:56pm |
re: #110 Charles
Regardless of what you think about Andrew Sullivan's slightly crazy theories about Sarah and Trig Palin, I think we can all agree that Dan Riehl is one of the most vile, bigoted Neanderthal throwbacks currently blogging on the right. And that's saying plenty. Here's what he wrote about Sullivan today.
[Link: www.riehlworldview.com...]
I quite agree that he's bigoted and vile, although I will argue that we have no proof the Neanderthals acted like this.
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Kewalo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:11:59pm |
re: #130 lightspeed
I don't know why he is ever invited anywhere. I didn't know he appeared on Fox but he's on all the shows on MSNBC and also appears on the McLaughlin report on public TV. I don't get it.
Naturally I've written to MSNBC and said as long as he's appearing on a show I change the channel, but (surprise! surprise!) he's still on, so I haven't watched Tweety for ages and since I live on the west coast Scarboroughs show is on too early for me. Not that I would watch it anyway. LOL
But I have to admit it baffles me. I find him and especially his voice just disgusting.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:12:42pm |
re: #146 Mich-again
Should a Presidential candidate have to show a birth certificate? If not, then why does my kid need one for Little League baseball.
they do have to show one. you didn't know that?
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:12:59pm |
Wow. Riehl just can't stop himself, can he?
Rut Roh. I'm crushed. It's the attack of Andy's typing fag hags
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Mich-again Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:13:32pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:14:04pm |
Stalkers are beginning to show up now at the USC Annenberg page with my interview, with the same old smears.
They do it every single time I link to a site that allows comments.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:14:19pm |
re: #149 swamprat
Did it change your life, or was it just something you'd seen?
Did you know it was that amazing, when you saw it?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:14:47pm |
re: #153 Mich-again
Nope I did not know that.
Sooo...you thought that 'throw your hat in the ring' was a literal expression about how one goes about registering to run for president??
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lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:15:13pm |
re: #148 Kewalo
I used to watch him on McLaughlin back in the late '80s. I was a Democrat back then. It used to be one of the best political shows on TV. I actually didn't mind Pat too much back then, but now I know a LOT more about him.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:17:25pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
At a time when it's so easy to demonstrate more class and appear less crazy than the wingnuts Sullivan still can't quite mange to make it back to reality. His obsession with Paliin's handicapped child is demented and perverse. There's absolutely no excuse for it.
I agree -- Sullivan's got some kind of weird obsession about that, and he can't seem to drop it. He doesn't seem to understand that he should just back off and apologize for it, and knock it off. It makes him look like a bit of a kook.
Riehl, on the other hand, is a flat-out racist, homophobic bigot.
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Stuart Leviton Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:17:45pm |
I think Geller is tremendous. The way he can bend those spoons.
//
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:18:54pm |
re: #144 lightspeed
Riehl is vile. Sounds like he really DOES blame his brother's homosexuality for his death, even though he denies it ("probably of AIDS for all I know"). Disgusting.
Don't get me started on Riehl. He has definite issues. As with Geller.
Riehl was also obsessed with Natalie Holloway. His archives would be a treasure trove for anyone wanting to do a thorough dissection of his psyche.
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bosforus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:19:30pm |
re: #154 Charles
Stalkers are beginning to show up now at the USC Annenberg page with my interview, with the same old smears.
They do it every single time I link to a site that allows comments.
Looks like that Jimmu guy's entire "blog" is dedicated entirely to you and flouncing. Pathetic.
[Link: wristaction.blogspot.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:20:50pm |
I've got to get some sleep. . Good night, all.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:20:54pm |
I just caught Hannity and sidekick senator Inhofe revealing that AGW is now officially dead and the biggest con of the century (one infamous email quoted as proof enough to Hannity).
It's a done deal folks, and science is gonna be in the gutter for a long long time, if it's on the wrong side of politics.
This is what it's come to.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:21:15pm |
re: #158 Charles
I agree -- Sullivan's got some kind of weird obsession about that, and he can't seem to drop it. He doesn't seem to understand that he should just back off and apologize for it, and knock it off. It makes him look like a bit of a kook.
Riehl, on the other hand, is a flat-out racist, homophobic bigot.
I wouldn't be that easy on Sully. He's no different than a birther, really. If you can't shuck an obsession, what does it say about your ability to comment on other issues with any hope of being taken seriously? It's blogocide.
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Lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:22:13pm |
re: #160 iceweasel
The less said about him, the better. Charles should come up with a catchy epithet for him, though. I always get a chuckle when I see "shrieking harpy" in reference to Gellar.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:22:16pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
I wouldn't be that easy on Sully. He's no different than a birther, really. If you can't shuck an obsession, what does it say about your ability to comment on other issues with any hope of being taken seriously? It's blogocide.
I don't think saying he has a "weird obsession" is being all that easy on him...
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swamprat Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:22:18pm |
re: #155 Floral Giraffe
Did not change my life, but it simply seemed impossible. Maybe it did in the way that it expanded what I accepted as human limits. He never used the palm of his hands, but I can't swear as to how many fingers he used, or if he did the whole thing with just his indexes. I do remember that at one point, he had to move a little faster to transfer his weight, but it was a balance issue and nothing to do with any lack of strength or ability. He did the whole thing as slowly as it seemed posible to do it.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:23:12pm |
re: #166 Lightspeed
The less said about him, the better. Charles should come up with a catchy epithet for him, though. I always get a chuckle when I see "shrieking harpy" in reference to Gellar.
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Kewalo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:23:20pm |
re: #157 lightspeed
I watched McLaughlin until after the election. I appreciated the fact that I could get a mostly conservative point of view without the vitriol, or less of it anyway. But after the election people like Monica Crowley became more shrill and I just couldn't watch it anymore. And at the time I was watching it Buchanan wasn't a guest every week.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:23:22pm |
re: #162 bosforus
Christ, that hurt my eyes! Especially when I went back to this white background! *shakes his fist at you*
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:24:21pm |
re: #164 Naso Tang
I just caught Hannity and sidekick senator Inhofe revealing that AGW is now officially dead and the biggest con of the century (one infamous email quoted as proof enough to Hannity).
It's a done deal folks, and science is gonna be in the gutter for a long long time, if it's on the wrong side of politics.
This is what it's come to.
A talking head who never got past high school and a bought-and-paid-for shill. Nice. Major news network. Fair and balanced. The rest of their content deserves equal respect.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:26:17pm |
James Inhofe, by the way, is a member of The Family.
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webevintage Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:27:24pm |
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Kewalo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:27:28pm |
G'night all, I've had a wonderful day posting with you all. It's really been fun...
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:28:10pm |
re: #167 Charles
I don't think saying he has a "weird obsession" is being all that easy on him...
Maybe not. I'd call it absurd, stupid, pointless, or self-destructive. I think it makes him damaged goods in the long run, personally. Just my .02.
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swamprat Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:28:49pm |
re: #154 Charles
Stalkers are beginning to show up now at the USC Annenberg page with my interview, with the same old smears.
They do it every single time I link to a site that allows comments.
Somehow this reminds me of the movie "Jerimiah Johnson". Relative?
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jaunte Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:29:05pm |
Anyone who hasn't yet read Jeff Sharlet's book The Family: The SecretFundamentalism at the Heart of American Power should pick it up:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
"[Sharlet] has managed to infiltrate the most influential and secretive fundamentalist network in America, and ground his reporting in the most astute and original explanation of fundamentalism I’ve ever read. . . . Indispensable." -- Hanna Rosin, former religion reporter for the Washington Post
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:29:09pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
Right before they eat each other as the eternal enemies of anything different than themselves. That's also what they do. It's ultimately nihilistic. Nativism is never positive, it's always negative.
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Lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:29:36pm |
re: #174 Charles
James Inhofe, by the way, is a member of The Family.
Seriously? "The Family," as in the cult known for institutional child rape?
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:31:18pm |
re: #181 Lightspeed
Seriously? "The Family," as in the cult known for institutional child rape?
Gah! No. Much larger organization of Main Line Fundies.
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Lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:31:28pm |
re: #170 Kewalo
Haven't watched McLaughlin in a while, but it was usually a good show to air out both sides of an issue. Most shows now are all about confrontation and drama at the expense of serious discussion.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:31:35pm |
Inhofe, btw:
Oil and Coal Money in Politics
James M. Inhofe has accepted $311,800 in oil contributions during the 110th congress. $160,800 of those dollars were from industry PACS. In total, Inhofe received $662,506 from oil companies between 2000 and 2008, which makes him a top recipient of oil money. In addition to oil, Inhofe has received $152,800 in coal contributions during the 110th Congress. $94,500 of those dollars were from industry PACS. See above for oil and energy voting record.[2]
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Lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:32:26pm |
re: #182 austin_blue
Gah! No. Much larger organization of Main Line Fundies.
Then they REALLY should think about changing their name...
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:33:12pm |
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:34:25pm |
re: #185 windhorse
...so, Amanda was found guilty.
Wow. I'm somewhat surprised. Seemed to be quite the convoluted case.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:34:41pm |
re: #177 austin_blue
Maybe not. I'd call it absurd, stupid, pointless, or self-destructive. I think it makes him damaged goods in the long run, personally. Just my .02.
It's awful because Sully does occasionally have good points, or do good work-- as when he was the first person in the MSM (I'm excluding huffpo/nico pitney as MSM) to provide info during the Iranian election unrest. And it's hard to recommend him to people when he's also promoted "Whar are Palin's medical records!' type stuff.
I have no theory for why he lost his mind over that issue.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:35:41pm |
re: #189 iceweasel
It's awful because Sully does occasionally have good points, or do good work-- as when he was the first person in the MSM (I'm excluding huffpo/nico pitney as MSM) to provide info during the Iranian election unrest. And it's hard to recommend him to people when he's also promoted "Whar are Palin's medical records!' type stuff.
I have no theory for why he lost his mind over that issue.
I agree! And my point exactly. Pity.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:36:32pm |
re: #188 marjoriemoon
Wow. I'm somewhat surprised. Seemed to be quite the convoluted case.
Yes, but it was tried in Italy.
They didn't try the case or the evidence so much as they tried an image of a femme fatale: sex-obsessed, vindictive, predatory, manipulative.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:37:06pm |
re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist
I find it hard to figure out who he appeals to.
It takes all kinds to make up a public.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:37:20pm |
re: #189 iceweasel
It's awful because Sully does occasionally have good points, or do good work-- as when he was the first person in the MSM (I'm excluding huffpo/nico pitney as MSM) to provide info during the Iranian election unrest. And it's hard to recommend him to people when he's also promoted "Whar are Palin's medical records!' type stuff.
I have no theory for why he lost his mind over that issue.
Too much of that wacky tobacco perhaps?
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Achilles Tang Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:37:37pm |
re: #188 marjoriemoon
Wow. I'm somewhat surprised. Seemed to be quite the convoluted case.
I haven't followed it, but I did hear on the news that appeals are won much more often in Italy than here. It seems that the prosecutor in this case may be a bit of a nutcase, based on one opinion anyway. Otherwise I don't know anything.
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Cokezero Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:37:52pm |
re: #9 Sharmuta
Who are those people in the pic with Buchanan?
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blueraven Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:38:24pm |
My take on Pat Buchanan is he is pure political hackery. Nixon dirty tricks, enemys list and cover ups. He has had his fingers in the dirty politics of this nation for decades. In that sense he is a wealth of information from inside the belly of the beast.
He is cynical but somehow comes off as the jovial kooky uncle you have to hide when the company comes.
But when you really get into his views, he is a dangerous but mostly impotent force in American politics.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:39:24pm |
re: #196 Cokezero
Who are those people in the pic with Buchanan?
See this LGF post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Achilles Tang Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:39:55pm |
re: #197 blueraven
My take on Pat Buchanan is he is pure political hackery. Nixon dirty tricks, enemys list and cover ups. He has had his fingers in the dirty politics of this nation for decades. In that sense he is a wealth of information from inside the belly of the beast.
He is cynical but somehow comes off as the jovial kooky uncle you have to hide when the company comes.
But when you really get into his views, he is a dangerous but mostly impotent force in American politics.
Bush Senior lost my vote because of him.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:40:13pm |
re: #192 iceweasel
Yes, but it was tried in Italy.
They didn't try the case or the evidence so much as they tried an image of a femme fatale: sex-obsessed, vindictive, predatory, manipulative.
That's why I was surprised actually I don't think they would have gotten the conviction here. But who knows... Not that I'm saying she or the boyfriend are innocent, but so much mishandling of evidence and forensics from the little I read.
She was fined millions of Euros to the family and also quite a bit to the fellow she falsely accused as well.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:40:47pm |
re: #168 swamprat
Thanks for answering my questions. It's an amazing feat.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:40:58pm |
re: #198 Charles
See this LGF post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And this one:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Lightspeed Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:41:05pm |
re: #196 Cokezero
Who are those people in the pic with Buchanan?
The one on the left is Filip Dewinter, a leader of Vlaams Belang. Not sure about the other guy.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:41:22pm |
re: #195 Naso Tang
I haven't followed it, but I did hear on the news that appeals are won much more often in Italy than here. It seems that the prosecutor in this case may be a bit of a nutcase, based on one opinion anyway. Otherwise I don't know anything.
The whole thing was so bizarre and that's just reading about it. I can't imagine being on that jury.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:42:26pm |
re: #200 marjoriemoon
That's why I was surprised actually I don't think they would have gotten the conviction here. But who knows... Not that I'm saying she or the boyfriend are innocent, but so much mishandling of evidence and forensics from the little I read.
That's my impression as well. the only things I read were either UK or US; the UK ones were often sensationalistic but even they often thought the evidence/forensics had been so horribly botched that the conviction would be impossible elsewhere.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:42:44pm |
re: #196 Cokezero
Who are those people in the pic with Buchanan?
Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke, top officials of the Belgian fascist party Vlaams Belang.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:42:57pm |
re: #180 Irenicum
Right before they eat each other as the eternal enemies of anything different than themselves. That's also what they do. It's ultimately nihilistic. Nativism is never positive, it's always negative.
"There's just enough of me, but way too many of thee."
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:44:20pm |
re: #202 Charles
And this one:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And Pat Buchanan's homage to Hitler that was pulled by Real Clear Politics.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:46:37pm |
re: #208 Gus 802
And Pat Buchanan's homage to Hitler that was pulled by Real Clear Politics.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I was disturbed that they posted it, pleased that they pulled it. That's a right side outlet I read with interest. They've got their ideologues, but at least they are sane. So many others...
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:51:09pm |
re: #209 austin_blue
I was disturbed that they posted it, pleased that they pulled it. That's a right side outlet I read with interest. They've got their ideologues, but at least they are sane. So many others...
Real Clear Politics is rightwing? They seemed pretty nonpartisan during the election, posting articles from both sides. I don't read much there anymore.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:51:49pm |
Just got this book:
Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming
And I can already highly recommend it even though I'm only about a quarter of the way into it.
If you want to know why I talk about a "climate change denial industry," it's all in here.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:53:34pm |
re: #189 iceweasel
Well put. I used to link to him in my own blog but removed it after he just got too weird. Obsessive is the word I would use. I loved his Iranian stuff. There are many issues I happen to agree with him on. But he does seem to have become fixated on Palin in an unhealthy way. Not sure why.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:54:35pm |
Twenty eight degrees already in Austin tonight, with freeze warnings all the way down to the Rio Grande tonight. Gotta love climate change. Warmest summer in recorded history, with record cold this early in December. Welcome to the greenhouse, where everything whipsaws at a greater amplitude and in a faster timeframe.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:55:53pm |
re: #210 marjoriemoon
Real Clear Politics is rightwing? They seemed pretty nonpartisan during the election, posting articles from both sides. I don't read much there anymore.
They definitely lean to the right. Good food for thought.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:56:01pm |
re: #145 austin_blue
When Pat was running for Prez (1992? I think so.), Letterman had a bit where he mentioned that it was 110 degrees in Phoenix the day before and that Buchanan was campaigning in town. "Thank God," said Dave, "it was a dry hate."
He came to my then hometown during the '96 campaign, and drew a big spillover crowd at the civic center. I was hoping to get a photo of him, but the Secret Service kept me away. Earlier, I had been able to mix with the real pressies and get right in Lamar Alexander's face, during his visit to town.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:56:53pm |
re: #209 austin_blue
I was disturbed that they posted it, pleased that they pulled it. That's a right side outlet I read with interest. They've got their ideologues, but at least they are sane. So many others...
I like it for the polling data they have.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:56:58pm |
re: #215 austin_blue
Twenty eight degrees already in Austin tonight, with freeze warnings all the way down to the Rio Grande tonight. Gotta love climate change. Warmest summer in recorded history, with record cold this early in December. Welcome to the greenhouse, where everything whipsaws at a greater amplitude and in a faster timeframe.
I heard it snowed in El Paso the other day? Or did Charles post that downstairs. Some crazy stuff.
No threatening hurricanes this summer, so I'm happy.
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stayfrosty Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:57:04pm |
I disagree with Pat. It wasn't smart politically to pander to that fringe. This is part of the reason a few months back a poll showed 30% of Republicans "don't know" where Obama was born; the so-called leaders are speaking out of both sides of their mouths. In the end, it's going to hurt her in a general election (although I highly doubt she'd ever get the nomination.)
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Achilles Tang Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:57:06pm |
re: #215 austin_blue
Twenty eight degrees already in Austin tonight, with freeze warnings all the way down to the Rio Grande tonight. Gotta love climate change. Warmest summer in recorded history, with record cold this early in December. Welcome to the greenhouse, where everything whipsaws at a greater amplitude and in a faster timeframe.
Tell that to Hannity when he winks and says it's snowing in Houston.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:58:18pm |
re: #219 marjoriemoon
No threatening hurricanes this summer, so I'm happy.
Why are you happy?. Summer isn't here yet.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:59:16pm |
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jadespring Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:00:28pm |
re: #215 austin_blue
Where I am it was the first November in over 100 years to not have snow though some have said it's the first since we've have good records. Three days ago their were still frogs out. Yesterday I was still working outside with just a light jacket. Overnight winter struck and we have almost a foot now. I know weather does not equal climate but the past few years have been just plain weird at times. It's the amount of sea-sawing that seems to be changing.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:00:32pm |
re: #219 marjoriemoon
I heard it snowed in El Paso the other day? Or did Charles post that downstairs. Some crazy stuff.
No threatening hurricanes this summer, so I'm happy.
Four inches in El Paso on Monday, And today kids were building snowmen in Houston, for pity's sake. We got about twenty minutes of flurries out of what was being touted yesterday as Blizzard 2009!!!
The front blew through here before it could pick up any moisture. The coastal bend got hammered.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:01:38pm |
re: #219 marjoriemoon
I heard it snowed in El Paso the other day? Or did Charles post that downstairs. Some crazy stuff.
No threatening hurricanes this summer, so I'm happy.
Do you mean this past autumn? Yes, it was mild. One of my favorite pastimes since the '05 season is listening to the climate scientists predict swarms of super hurricanes each summer, and then see the prediction fail over the next four months. No offense to those harmed by actual hurricanes during that time.
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stayfrosty Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:01:42pm |
Oh, but let's not fail to note Michelle Bernard's point that there's crazies "on the right and on the left." This birther controversy is quite ridiculous, but it's child's play compared to some of the left-wing conspiracy theories I heard about when Bush was in office.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:02:51pm |
re: #221 Naso Tang
Yes, it's snowing in Houston! That pruuuves something!
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:02:53pm |
re: #221 Naso Tang
Tell that to Hannity when he winks and says it's snowing in Houston.
Well, I don't have cable. But I've seen and heard him enough to know he's an undereducated fool.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:02:57pm |
re: #228 stayfrosty
Oh, but let's not fail to note Michelle Bernard's point that there's crazies "on the right and on the left." This birther controversy is quite ridiculous, but it's child's play compared to some of the left-wing conspiracy theories I heard about when Bush was in office.
I can't think of a single lefty conspiracy theory -- and there were some -- that even came close to being as widespread and widely believed as the Birther insanity.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:04:11pm |
re: #228 stayfrosty
Oh, but let's not fail to note Michelle Bernard's point that there's crazies "on the right and on the left." This birther controversy is quite ridiculous, but it's child's play compared to some of the left-wing conspiracy theories I heard about when Bush was in office.
Those sophisticated, nuanced lefties with their flamin' consciences can come up with notions with lots more verisimilitude than the nirther nonsense.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:04:30pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
I wouldn't be that easy on Sully. He's no different than a birther, really. If you can't shuck an obsession, what does it say about your ability to comment on other issues with any hope of being taken seriously? It's blogocide.
Especially since, from what I know of his craziness, it's totally baseless. Has he produced a scrap of evidence for this stuff?
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:05:06pm |
re: #231 Charles
I can't think of a single lefty conspiracy theory -- and there were some -- that even came close to being as widespread and widely believed as the Birther insanity.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:05:10pm |
re: #228 stayfrosty
Um, no. The left crazies were crazy to be sure. No doubt about that. But they generally didn't "carry" during prez events. The right now does repeatedly. That's a hell of a lot more dangerous.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:05:10pm |
re: #226 austin_blue
Four inches in El Paso on Monday, And today kids were building snowmen in Houston, for pity's sake. We got about twenty minutes of flurries out of what was being touted yesterday as Blizzard 2009!!!
The front blew through here before it could pick up any moisture. The coastal bend got hammered.
hehe When you don't normally get snow, it's tough for a city to handle it.
I lived in Michigan City, IN in the late 70s during what was really a blizzard. 1978 I believe. Ohare was closed for the first time in its history I recall. The snow had drifted up over our house and we had to dig out from inside. Pretty groovy when you 16. My poor mother was miserable.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:05:42pm |
Birtherism is promoted by top GOP politicians, like Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, James Inhofe, and many others.
I don't think you can find a lefty conspiracy theory that was promoted by that many Democrat politicians.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:05:48pm |
re: #186 Lightspeed
Then they REALLY should think about changing their name...
People have mentioned that--no one who calls themselves "The Family" seems to turn out very well, to say the least.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:06:22pm |
re: #225 jadespring
Where I am it was the first November in over 100 years to not have snow though some have said it's the first since we've have good records. Three days ago their were still frogs out. Yesterday I was still working outside with just a light jacket. Overnight winter struck and we have almost a foot now. I know weather does not equal climate but the past few years have been just plain weird at times. It's the amount of sea-sawing that seems to be changing.
And that is actually what most of the climate models predict. General warming across the globe but with increasingly aberrant, extreme events.
My bud Bruce Sterling wrote a book called Heavy Weather many moons ago. Well worth reading.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:06:37pm |
re: #193 The Sanity Inspector
It takes all kinds to make up a public.
As a friend of mine is fond of saying, "it doesn't take all kinds. We just have all kinds."
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:07:06pm |
re: #208 Gus 802
Wow. Talk about blaming the victim...
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:07:26pm |
re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist
Especially since, from what I know of his craziness, it's totally baseless. Has he produced a scrap of evidence for this stuff?
Not that I know of.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:08:35pm |
re: #236 marjoriemoon
I remember that storm. It was very cool.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:10:44pm |
re: #242 jasona
Wow. Talk about blaming the victim...
It's been a while since I read that. Was quite a screed and he published it on the 70th anniversary of the start of WWII.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:10:59pm |
re: #227 The Sanity Inspector
Do you mean this past autumn? Yes, it was mild. One of my favorite pastimes since the '05 season is listening to the climate scientists predict swarms of super hurricanes each summer, and then see the prediction fail over the next four months. No offense to those harmed by actual hurricanes during that time.
Strong El Nino formed in June. Always protects the US coast from strong hurricanes. Unfortunately for East Asia, it *increases* storms in the Western Pacific. They got dough-popped.
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bosforus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:11:06pm |
re: #236 marjoriemoon
hehe When you don't normally get snow, it's tough for a city to handle it.
I lived in Michigan City, IN in the late 70s during what was really a blizzard. 1978 I believe. Ohare was closed for the first time in its history I recall. The snow had drifted up over our house and we had to dig out from inside. Pretty groovy when you 16. My poor mother was miserable.
You'd think Utah drivers would know how to drive in the snow wouldn't you? Well...
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:11:12pm |
re: #227 The Sanity Inspector
Do you mean this past autumn? Yes, it was mild. One of my favorite pastimes since the '05 season is listening to the climate scientists predict swarms of super hurricanes each summer, and then see the prediction fail over the next four months. No offense to those harmed by actual hurricanes during that time.
Well yes, I meant this PAST summer. Summer of 09.
They do that now. Start the hysteria in May (hurricane season runs from June 1 to Nov 30). It's mostly for ratings of course, but ever since we were so unprepared for Andrew, and then of course Ivan, Charlie, Frances and one other that ran up the west coast of FL in 2005? Then Wilma and Katrina they want to make sure everyone is prepared i.e., sell all those needed supplies.
We bought a generator in 2000, somewhat small but adequate. Can hook up the frig, portable AC, 2 computers, TV and a lamp. Good to go :)
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Bagua Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:11:23pm |
OT:
The Independent agrees with opinion that ClimateGate is an unwelcome distraction from Copenhagen
The timing of the dispute, of course, is, to put it mildly, unfortunate, coinciding as it does with final preparations for the Copenhagen Summit.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:12:14pm |
re: #237 Charles
Birtherism is promoted by top GOP politicians, like Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, James Inhofe, and many others.
I don't think you can find a lefty conspiracy theory that was promoted by that many Democrat politicians.
And one that is as far reaching as to claim the illegitimacy of an elected President.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:12:35pm |
re: #244 Irenicum
I remember that storm. It was very cool.
Didn't it start on the east coast and swept across the nation? Was a bad one.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:14:09pm |
re: #249 Bagua
OT:
The Independent agrees with opinion that ClimateGate is an unwelcome distraction from Copenhagen
The timing of the dispute, of course, is, to put it mildly, unfortunate, coinciding as it does with final preparations for the Copenhagen Summit.
It's much more than a "distraction." It was very obviously and very deliberately concocted to sabotage the Copenhagen summit. And I'm not the only one who believes that.
Climate e-mail hackers ‘aimed to maximise harm to Copenhagen summit’ - Times Online
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Cato the Elder Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:14:45pm |
Cato's good-night quote for the evening:
Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.
--Oscar Wilde
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Bagua Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:15:27pm |
But the BBC radio 4 Today says 'The political implications of this are huge'
Link to Mp3 of Radio show with Professor Philip Scott, emeritus professor of Biogeography at the University of London, environmentalist Jonathon Porritt and the BBC's Richard Black
Interesting discussion.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:15:31pm |
re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist
As a friend of mine is fond of saying, "it doesn't take all kinds. We just have all kinds."
Yes. That's what I've always found so grating about the sentiment that "Our diversity is our strength." Diversity is neither good or bad, it's simply a fact of life, which we can deal with well (America) or badly (Yugoslavia).
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:17:01pm |
re: #237 Charles
Charles, I noticed you used the term democrat instead of democratic in your post. It may be an oversight, but it honestly ticks me off when I see that term. Do you use that terminology? As a disaffected Republican I'd love to come up with a cute nick name for the GOP, since they're hijacking, but if the party uses a term, I think it's respectful to use the term officially sanctioned. The Democratic Party may not be the most democratic, but neither is the Republican Party very republican. I apologize if I'm being overly persnickety, but I'm a stickler for terms.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:17:23pm |
re: #255 The Sanity Inspector
Yes. That's what I've always found so grating about the sentiment that "Our diversity is our strength." Diversity is neither good or bad, it's simply a fact of life, which we can deal with well (America) or badly (Yugoslavia).
Is it a bad thing to think diversity is good? I think it's good. I like listening to people's stories. Everyone has a story.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:17:46pm |
re: #237 Charles
Birtherism is promoted by top GOP politicians, like Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, James Inhofe, and many others.
I don't think you can find a lefty conspiracy theory that was promoted by that many Democrat politicians.
True. Michael Moore, although he was adored by the MSM and was seated next to Jimmy Carter at the Dem convention, didn't really have that much pull when the ballots were counted.
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jadespring Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:17:46pm |
re: #239 austin_blue
Thanks for the book reference. The weird weather really does affect me because part of my income is weather dependent. It's something I'm conscious about most days. What seems to be happening is that spring and fall weather is just less predictable then it once was. The parameters are changing. I've also been noticing changes in pests and pollinators as well as how plants are fairing. For instance the actual planting zones are changing for some plants. Things that normally wouldn't survive winter are now and since we seem to be getting more freeze thaw cycles during the winter other plants are generally doing worse.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:18:36pm |
re: #252 Charles
It's much more than a "distraction." It was very obviously and very deliberately concocted to sabotage the Copenhagen summit. And I'm not the only one who believes that.
Climate e-mail hackers ‘aimed to maximise harm to Copenhagen summit’ - Times Online
Maybe.
But you can hardly sabotage a conference that disavows seeking any concrete results.
The indie Seattle movement bike-invaders (who are planning to storm the conference hall on wheels in the name of some undefined cause) may have better success than the anti-AGW hackers.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:18:47pm |
re: #249 Bagua
OT:
The Independent agrees with opinion that ClimateGate is an unwelcome distraction from Copenhagen
The timing of the dispute, of course, is, to put it mildly, unfortunate, coinciding as it does with final preparations for the Copenhagen Summit.
They, whoever "they" are (but one only needs to follow the money), have had those e-mails for months and then released them +/- thirty days before Copenhagen to allow the media firestorm to build to a crescendo just before the conference.
Reprehensible, criminal, but exquisitely well played. Bastards.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:18:47pm |
re: #256 Irenicum
Charles, I noticed you used the term democrat instead of democratic in your post. It may be an oversight, but it honestly ticks me off when I see that term. Do you use that terminology? As a disaffected Republican I'd love to come up with a cute nick name for the GOP, since they're hijacking, but if the party uses a term, I think it's respectful to use the term officially sanctioned. The Democratic Party may not be the most democratic, but neither is the Republican Party very republican. I apologize if I'm being overly persnickety, but I'm a stickler for terms.
I wasn't even thinking about that. You're right, it's often used derogatorily by right-wingers, but I didn't intend to invoke that. I just meant it in the sense of, "He/she is a Democrat."
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:19:39pm |
The only thing surprising about this is the insistence of keeping the word conservative in apostrophes, as if crazies like Pat Buchanan and Sarah Palin weren't really what conservatives are.
/also good afternoon.
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Bagua Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:19:58pm |
re: #252 Charles
It's much more than a "distraction." It was very obviously and very deliberately concocted to sabotage the Copenhagen summit. And I'm not the only one who believes that.
Climate e-mail hackers ‘aimed to maximise harm to Copenhagen summit’ - Times Online
I agree, the timing is far too obvious to be a coincidence.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:20:51pm |
re: #251 marjoriemoon
I'm not sure where it started. I know nowadays that it also affected the upper midwest and moved east. That was one amazing winter!
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:22:45pm |
Christmas time is upon us again. That means it's time for another round of Bill O'Reilly whining about an imaginary war against Christmas and another opportunity to slander atheists.
I don't know what's worse. The one or two atheists that object to a display in Podunk City, USA or having to here O'Reilly and his minions numbering in the millions chattering about this for the next 20 days.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:23:50pm |
re: #262 Charles
Cool. Thanks for the quick response. I figured as much. I just wanted to make sure. I had never seen you use that kind of terminology before. You're more respectful than that.
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jaunte Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:24:51pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
The only solution may be for thousands of people to send O'Reilly a "Happy Holidays" card.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:25:28pm |
re: #268 jaunte
The only solution may be for thousands of people to send O'Reilly a "Happy Holidays" card.
Go for Festivus!
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jaunte Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:26:10pm |
re: #269 austin_blue
Is it time for the airing of grievances?
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:26:17pm |
re: #268 jaunte
The only solution may be for thousands of people to send O'Reilly a "Happy Holidays" card.
I know. I found out the other day that that upsets people. That's been around for a long time though.
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Girth Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:28:00pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
Christmas time is upon us again. That means it's time for another round of Bill O'Reilly whining about an imaginary war against Christmas and another opportunity to slander atheists.
I don't know what's worse. The one or two atheists that object to a display in Podunk City, USA or having to here O'Reilly and his minions numbering in the millions chattering about this for the next 20 days.
Oh here it comes. Its not just O'Reilly, it's the whole damn channel, a few times a day now there's gonna be a big swoosh and a flashy graphic and another empty-headed anchor updating the War on Christmas.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:28:57pm |
re: #270 jaunte
Is it time for the airing of grievances?
Naaah, I celebrate Solstice. It's rooted in some kind of verifiable fact connected to the date. I'm a Deist so the whole hoo-ha is just pffft to me.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:29:49pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
Christmas time is upon us again. That means it's time for another round of Bill O'Reilly whining about an imaginary war against Christmas and another opportunity to slander atheists.
I don't know what's worse. The one or two atheists that object to a display in Podunk City, USA or having to here O'Reilly and his minions numbering in the millions chattering about this for the next 20 days.
lol He says parents don't want their children to see God is a Hoax printed alongside buses. Ya know, I guess it goes back to that diversity thing, but what's the big deal? American kids grow up with friends of all faiths and denominations, including those with no religion at all. If you put up signs about churches, synagogues and mosques, why don't the atheists get their turn?
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:30:03pm |
re: #273 Girth
Oh here it comes. Its not just O'Reilly, it's the whole damn channel, a few times a day now there's gonna be a big swoosh and a flashy graphic and another empty-headed anchor updating the War on Christmas.
That bad huh? Glad I'll miss it. All based on one or two events around the country. They're fair and balanced. Why don't they have a show called "The War on Gays." Kidding -- somewhat.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:30:17pm |
re: #257 marjoriemoon
Is it a bad thing to think diversity is good? I think it's good. I like listening to people's stories. Everyone has a story.
That's a very generous attitude to have. Being interracially and interculturally married myself, I do too. But, I can only repeat that diversity exists, and can be dealt with well or badly.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:30:38pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
It's kind of odd that in a country that's roughly 80% Christian some of them still see themselves as a persecuted minority.
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Bagua Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:30:43pm |
Met Office to re-examine 160 years of climate data
The Met Office plans to re-examine 160 years of temperature data after admitting that public confidence in the science on man-made global warming has been shattered by leaked e-mails.
The new analysis of the data will take three years, meaning that the Met Office will not be able to state with absolute confidence the extent of the warming trend until the end of 2012.
[...]
The Met Office’s published data showing a warming trend draws heavily on CRU analysis. CRU supplied all the land temperature data to the Met Office, which added this to its own analysis of sea temperature data.
Since the stolen e-mails were published, the chief executive of the Met Office has written to national meteorological offices in 188 countries asking their permission to release the raw data that they collected from their weather stations.
The Met Office is confident that its analysis will eventually be shown to be correct. However, it says it wants to create a new and fully open method of analysing temperature data.
snip...
Well, so much for Hopenhagen, the hackers whoever "they" are seem to have won this round, and at least a three year delay. At least this will put an end to the charges of withholding data, fair or not.
ClimateScience is going open-source.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:30:49pm |
re: #276 marjoriemoon
lol He says parents don't want their children to see God is a Hoax printed alongside buses. Ya know, I guess it goes back to that diversity thing, but what's the big deal? American kids grow up with friends of all faiths and denominations, including those with no religion at all. If you put up signs about churches, synagogues and mosques, why don't the atheists get their turn?
Good point. I think it should all be allowed.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:31:11pm |
I just want to take a minute or so, and reflect on all the valuable information I have learned at LGF. It's really quite a resource. And I am so very grateful to Charles for the time, effort, energy, and enthusiasm, that makes his site what it is, today, and every day, of my membership. The moderation is untold hours, but reaps HUGE benefits. And, I get to receive this, just for registering! (I donated too, but that's not required).
So, Charles, a BIG THANK YOU. Again.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:31:16pm |
re: #276 marjoriemoon
Exactly. And I say that as a Christian.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:32:18pm |
re: #283 Irenicum
Exactly. And I say that as a Christian.
I had a thought to start a group, Atheists for Christmas!
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jaunte Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:32:51pm |
re: #274 austin_blue
Naaah, I celebrate Solstice. It's rooted in some kind of verifiable fact connected to the date. I'm a Deist so the whole hoo-ha is just pffft to me.
I am inspired to save a couple of Houston near-Solstice snowballs for next July.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:33:11pm |
re: #277 Gus 802
That bad huh? Glad I'll miss it. All based on one or two events around the country. They're fair and balanced. Why don't they have a show called "The War on Gays." Kidding -- somewhat.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:33:41pm |
re: #278 The Sanity Inspector
That's a very generous attitude to have. Being interracially and interculturally married myself, I do too. But, I can only repeat that diversity exists, and can be dealt with well or badly.
Sad story that... Yes, it could be dealt with well or badly, but if more people embraced it, there'd be less bad behavior.
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stayfrosty Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:33:47pm |
re: #231 Charles
I can't think of a single lefty conspiracy theory -- and there were some -- that even came close to being as widespread and widely believed as the Birther insanity.
Oh, I don't know, the whole "Bush knew there were no WMDs and invaded Iraq for the oil" was a pretty big one believed by a large number of "lefties". I remember "no blood for oil" being a pretty oft-repeated catchphrase, don't you?
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:33:57pm |
re: #279 Killgore Trout
The victim mentality is very appealing. It excuses anything I've ever done and allows me to blame everyone else for everything. It's the textbook definition of infantilism.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:34:25pm |
re: #279 Killgore Trout
It's kind of odd that in a country that's roughly 80% Christian some of them still see themselves as a persecuted minority.
Funny how that works. Of course O'Reilly is always railing against "secular progressives." I think it a ratings booster for Fox.
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Girth Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:36:39pm |
re: #291 Gus 802
Funny how that works. Of course O'Reilly is always railing against "secular progressives." I think it a ratings booster for Fox.
Their whole programming strategy is to get their viewers frothing at the mouth over whatever outrage they can manufacture for the day.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:37:32pm |
re: #268 jaunte
The only solution may be for thousands of people to send O'Reilly a "Happy Holidays" card.
I like the care package Maddox sent him.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:37:32pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Good point. I think it should all be allowed.
Me too. And it is allowed, as he admits, he just doesn't like it. There's lots of things I don't like, but I don't have a column. Give a man a blog and look what happens LOL
Just for the record, the Christmas stuff does not offend me and I'm not a Christian. It's all very happy and the lights are pretty.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:37:46pm |
re: #282 Floral Giraffe
Agreed. I have learned from so many different folks from across the spectrum because of belonging to this site. Officially grateful.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:38:01pm |
re: #293 Girth
Their whole programming strategy is to get their viewers frothing at the mouth over whatever outrage they can manufacture for the day.
Negative programming -- 24/7. You have to wonder about what happens to people that are exposed to that daily.
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:38:04pm |
re: #294 Slumbering Behemoth
I like the care package Maddox sent him.
Maddox convinced me not to get an iPhone. :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:38:31pm |
Schenider Aventinus. The best German wheat dopplebock ever. Bottoms up!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:40:11pm |
re: #299 laZardo
The cobwebs in my wallet convinced me of the same. They are amazing little devices, though. If you can afford one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:40:37pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:40:41pm |
re: #292 Racer X
If you say so.
Roommate says he's just an awesome athlete, who will eat your lunch.
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Girth Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:42:05pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
Negative programming -- 24/7. You have to wonder about what happens to people that are exposed to that daily.
I don't have to wonder. My father is one of them. It's not pretty.
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stayfrosty Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:42:24pm |
re: #280 Bagua
ClimateScience is going open-source.
As it should have been from the beginning. If the data's there, the data's there, and should be open for the public to see. This is an issue that affects and will continue to affect every human on the planet.
I think the most damaging thing about this whole Climategate fiasco was not that the CRU's data was proven wrong or manipulated, it was the fact that in several emails these researchers discussed destroying data rather than turning them over under UK Freedom of Information Act requests. That doesn't exactly breed confidence amongst the public. Let it all be done out in the open.
(By the way, we've got the same thing happening in the US, where NASA has been reluctant to hand over core data despite repeated FIA requests. I don't think they've got anything to hide, and realize it takes time to gather data for such requests, but it's important to be transparent.)
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:42:36pm |
re: #280 Bagua
Met Office to re-examine 160 years of climate data
The Met Office plans to re-examine 160 years of temperature data after admitting that public confidence in the science on man-made global warming has been shattered by leaked e-mails.
The new analysis of the data will take three years, meaning that the Met Office will not be able to state with absolute confidence the extent of the warming trend until the end of 2012.
[...]
The Met Office’s published data showing a warming trend draws heavily on CRU analysis. CRU supplied all the land temperature data to the Met Office, which added this to its own analysis of sea temperature data.Since the stolen e-mails were published, the chief executive of the Met Office has written to national meteorological offices in 188 countries asking their permission to release the raw data that they collected from their weather stations.
The Met Office is confident that its analysis will eventually be shown to be correct. However, it says it wants to create a new and fully open method of analysing temperature data.snip...
Well, so much for Hopenhagen, the hackers whoever "they" are seem to have won this round, and at least a three year delay. At least this will put an end to the charges of withholding data, fair or not.
ClimateScience is going open-source.
Already is, pretty much:
[Link: www.realclimate.org...]
Hard to say folks are hiding data.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:43:20pm |
re: #253 Cato the Elder
Cato's good-night quote for the evening:
Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.
--Oscar Wilde
Upding for Oscar Wilde!
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:43:41pm |
re: #295 marjoriemoon
Me too. And it is allowed, as he admits, he just doesn't like it. There's lots of things I don't like, but I don't have a column. Give a man a blog and look what happens LOL
Just for the record, the Christmas stuff does not offend me and I'm not a Christian. It's all very happy and the lights are pretty.
As a kid Christmas seemed to last forever. Especially the days leading up to Christmas Day. Now, it's over in an instant. I don't mind it and as you see the lights are pretty and the music joyous. And unlike when I was a kid it's over in an instant.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:43:49pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
Wonder what happens?
You KNOW what happens.
They get more negative by the minute.
Nothing is healthy , happy, or positive.
It's a downward spiral.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:45:16pm |
re: #305 Girth
I don't have to wonder. My father is one of them. It's not pretty.
Nor do I. I was one of them. I listened to Rush, Savage, et al, nearly every day for three years during the Clinton admin. It wasn't pretty.
I got better.
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:45:31pm |
re: #311 Floral Giraffe
Wonder what happens?
You KNOW what happens.
They get more negative by the minute.
Nothing is healthy , happy, or positive.
It's a downward spiral.
Worked for me since the Clinton days. q;
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:46:47pm |
re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth
The cobwebs in my wallet convinced me of the same. They are amazing little devices, though. If you can afford one.
And then I still have to get an iPod Touch. =_= I'm inclined to get the Samsung or LG takes on the iPhone just out of spite.
Kids these days.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:47:16pm |
re: #311 Floral Giraffe
It's like the Itchy and Scratchy Show: hate hate hate. Eventually it results in mutual destruction. Matt Groening can be brilliant.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:47:21pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:49:18pm |
re: #312 Slumbering Behemoth
Nor do I. I was one of them. I listened to Rush, Savage, et al, nearly every day for three years during the Clinton admin. It wasn't pretty.
I got better.
I will say, Savage's show is insane and makes no sense, but it's GREAT radio. It's like listening to a seizure being narrated. The politics are bonkers, but he's a good broadcaster.
The best is Phil Hendrie. Phil Hendrie is the best radio broadcaster in America.
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:49:19pm |
re: #316 The Sanity Inspector
It's their party, they can cry if they want to.
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abolitionist Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:49:38pm |
Charles, I found this short video,
James Hoggan: Should climate deniers be treated like war criminals?
--an interview by Thom Hartmann. The Question was repeatedly scrolled across the screen, but in fairness to Mr Hoggan, I think it was never put to him, and likely he never even saw it except possibly after-the-fact.
I think this was a reprehensible, Goebelsian class propaganda technique on the part of the interviewer/producers.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:50:46pm |
re: #314 laZardo
I got an iPod Nano, it was a gift. Cool little thing, but I barely use it.
I just don't like wearing headphones. They make me feel out of touch with my environment, and I am too paranoid to enjoy that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:52:42pm |
re: #314 laZardo
And then I still have to get an iPod Touch. =_= I'm inclined to get the Samsung or LG takes on the iPhone just out of spite.
Kids these days.
I have an iPod Touch, it's pretty tremendous. I don't even like Apple that much, but this thing is really cool. (and it helps that I'm a game developer on projects that are available on it, hah) I balked at the iPhone because I don't want a phone plan that costs almost as much a month as a car payment. :P
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:52:47pm |
re: #320 Slumbering Behemoth
My left ear seems to naturally reject earbuds, plus with all the pulling and tugging I've ended up 'suffocating' one side of each earphone I've had for the past 2 years. I haven't found a good pair of 'classic'-style headphones that aren't outside my budget though.
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:54:06pm |
I sense a disturbance in the force. An overnight thread seems to be percolating. I may need to either switch or actually go to bed.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:54:56pm |
The Kevin Jennings thing is heating up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:55:30pm |
re: #320 Slumbering Behemoth
I got an iPod Nano, it was a gift. Cool little thing, but I barely use it.
I just don't like wearing headphones. They make me feel out of touch with my environment, and I am too paranoid to enjoy that.
Mostly I jack my iPod into my car stereo, or I mix it into the drum brain on my electronic drum kit so I can practice along to songs. Sometimes I'll use it with headphones, but I have these megahuge Sennheiser cans that cut out all ambient noise, so I tend to only do that at home.
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Girth Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:55:44pm |
re: #322 laZardo
My left ear seems to naturally reject earbuds, plus with all the pulling and tugging I've ended up 'suffocating' one side of each earphone I've had for the past 2 years. I haven't found a good pair of 'classic'-style headphones that aren't outside my budget though.
Skullcandy makes great earbuds, some of which come with different size rubber surrounds to fit different ear canals. I don't like the regular style like those that you get with an iPod, but Skullcandy's in-ear ones are great.
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Gus Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:56:44pm |
re: #312 Slumbering Behemoth
Nor do I. I was one of them. I listened to Rush, Savage, et al, nearly every day for three years during the Clinton admin. It wasn't pretty.
I got better.
I never got into talk radio much. In previous and more recent years it was typically watching clips on Fox like John Gibson, Neil Cavuto, or Red Eye. Nothing to spectacular. The few time I watched Hannity and Colmes (clips again) I never saw anything too outrageous at the time. I did think the dynamics between the two were somewhat entertaining. I have watched O'Reilly before and that was usually with Dennis Miller.
Before that in my early years it was mostly listening to Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Nothing really political stands out in my mind. I did go through a stage when I sought out to hear Noam Chomsky which was out of an interest in economic or labor "justice" ideas and never for his foreign policy. What stood out the most for me was listening to Steven Ambrose interviews on NPR shortly before his death. He sparked my interest in reading his books and subsequent books on WW2 and the American soldier.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:58:04pm |
re: #323 Irenicum
I sense a disturbance in the force. An overnight thread seems to be percolating. I may need to either switch or actually go to bed.
I have no such options. I'm beat. Good night, dear Lizards! Another evening of sane, reasonable discussion. Much appreciated. As Elvis would say just before leaving the building, "Thangew!! Thangewveramuuuch!"
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:58:14pm |
re: #318 laZardo
It's their party, they can cry if they want to.
Just call me Capt. Downer, tonight.
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:58:14pm |
re: #321 WindUpBird
The iPhone/iPod Touch platform is trying to squeeze into the gaming market between Nintendo and Sony, and it's found a good niche in the 'casual'/'office gaming' market.
Being damned-near-reactionary when it comes to entertainment tech though, the most I'm after is an upgraded version of my current MP3 player...
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Cato the Elder Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:58:38pm |
re: #324 The Sanity Inspector
The Kevin Jennings thing is heating up.
Another nontroversy brought to you by someone who used to frequent this blog.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:58:50pm |
re: #322 laZardo
My left ear seems to naturally reject earbuds, plus with all the pulling and tugging I've ended up 'suffocating' one side of each earphone I've had for the past 2 years. I haven't found a good pair of 'classic'-style headphones that aren't outside my budget though.
I have these: Sennheiser HD 280 Pro Headphones
When I bought mine, they cost double what they do now. I use them for music, for gaming, for playing drums, love 'em. I've had them for going on 4 years, I think? For $75, they'll last you forever, and the parts are individually replacable. If the cord goes bad? Get a new one. Ear cushions screwed up? Buy a new set online.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:59:23pm |
Off to try to conquer jet lag, once again. 'Night.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 4, 2009 10:59:23pm |
re: #325 WindUpBird
You have more money than I do, but more importantly, more, cooler toys than I do, so I am now obligated to hate you. It's the law.
/
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:00:53pm |
re: #334 The Sanity Inspector
Jet lag is a mighty foe. May your battles be fortuitous!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:01:46pm |
re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth
You have more money than I do, but more importantly, more, cooler toys than I do, so I am now obligated to hate you. It's the law.
/
I'm sorry! ;_; If it's any consolation, I was a starving artist hunting through my couch cushions for beer money and gas money for my Golf with 300,000 miles on it until about 3 years ago.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:02:40pm |
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:04:03pm |
re: #326 Girth
The ones that came with my current ear-player actually had these odd-sized rubber paddings that slipped rather nicely into my ear. Unfortunately, the audio wore out after 6 months. D:
I'll look into the Skullcandy one if they sell that here. >_>
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laZardo Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:05:14pm |
re: #329 The Sanity Inspector
Just call me Capt. Downer, tonight.
You think you're a downer? The only thing less likely to happen than the Large Hadron Collider destroying the Earth is me gaining some kind of faith/hope in humanity.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:06:07pm |
re: #342 laZardo
You think you're a downer? The only thing
lessmore likely to happen than the Large Hadron Collider destroying the Earth is me gaining some kind of faith/hope in humanity.
FTFY
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:06:41pm |
Attention Texans: COLD tonight (15-18 degrees in Lubbock) with high winds. If you have a brass monkey, you better get him inside.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:07:40pm |
re: #337 WindUpBird
Your pleas for understanding only anger me more. My cloud of hatred now hangs above you.
/of course, I kid
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Irenicum Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:08:21pm |
Well, this non-traditional sleepy seminary grad student bids y'all adieu. See y'all tomorrow.
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blueraven Fri, Dec 4, 2009 11:55:44pm |
re: #11 MandyManners
Merry Christmas Mandy.
Lovely song selection, what a smooth crooner he was!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Dec 5, 2009 1:18:26am |
Portrait of a right wing off the rails.
From the 87th most-trusted news source in America! Does Chris Matthews plan on doing a broadcast from the 'enemy camp' of Annapolis or West Point anytime soon?
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Dec 5, 2009 4:53:46am |
re: #322 laZardo
i rate these very highly. don't know what your budget is, but these can be found cheaper i'm sure.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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ulmsey123 Sat, Dec 5, 2009 5:19:30am |
Pat Buchanan is a fool. Palin is not a fool, but is more concerned of selling her book than her political future and conservatives are foolish if they don't see that. (good for her, by the way. Laughing all the way to the bank)
Regarding Obama's birth certificate: I used to be a darkroom/camera guy in the wonderful world of Reprographics, so I know a thing or two about photographic films. There is microfilm available (so I've read) of the newspaper clipping in Hawaii announcing Obama's birth. I think it's an easy thing forging a document. It's nearly impossible to forge a piece of microfilm from nearly 50 years ago. I don't doubt he was born here.
There is an issue when he returned here after living in Indonesia and how that was handled. It's possible that he technically may have had to re-establish his citizenship here and I never heard a clear story about that. But honestly, that's splitting hairs a bit.
Rather than argue his birth, the GOP should be arguing policy. Win with ideas, not mud. It works better.
I have hope for the GOP. But it needs to be reformed. "Real" conservatives that have actual thoughts need to purge the party.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Dec 5, 2009 5:56:11am |
re: #25 jasona
A - Because if they didn't FNC would, he's a recognisable name and despite the "everyone is a socialist @ MSNBC" meme - he serves to prove they aren't all mindless "leftists", they have a share of mindless conservatives too.
I wish he would just go away - but lets not pretend that if MSNBC let him go he wouldn't crop up else where.
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captdiggs Sat, Dec 5, 2009 7:28:28am |
I don't know which is worse, some pandering to "birthers" or calling the cadets at West Point the "enemy camp".
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 5, 2009 8:40:56am |
Oh, for pete's sake. This is the kind of silly triviality the right focuses on? Chris Matthews uses some poorly chosen words, and then apologizes for it, and that gets compared to Birthers?
Sad.
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captdiggs Sat, Dec 5, 2009 8:45:54am |
re: #356 Charles
Mathews suffered a Freudian slip.
He "apologized", sort of, only because he realized the public relations disaster of the comment.
It's not trivial to notice how much the moonbat left hates the military that secures their freedom of speech.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 5, 2009 8:51:40am |
re: #357 captdiggs
Mathews suffered a Freudian slip.
He "apologized", sort of, only because he realized the public relations disaster of the comment.
It's not trivial to notice how much the moonbat left hates the military that secures their freedom of speech.
I'm pretty sure that Chris Matthews doesn't "hate the military." But go ahead and believe that if it's important to you.
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Blueheron Sat, Dec 5, 2009 10:44:43am |
The man's mother...I'm talking about Obama...was an American therefore I have never understood the question.
As for Buchanan he is an embarrassment.
I like/ed Palin but she is certainly isn't ready for high elected office. She probably will never be.
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Blueheron Sat, Dec 5, 2009 10:48:41am |
re: #352 ulmsey123
Pat Buchanan is a fool. Palin is not a fool, but is more concerned of selling her book than her political future and conservatives are foolish if they don't see that. (good for her, by the way. Laughing all the way to the bank)
Regarding Obama's birth certificate: I used to be a darkroom/camera guy in the wonderful world of Reprographics, so I know a thing or two about photographic films. There is microfilm available (so I've read) of the newspaper clipping in Hawaii announcing Obama's birth. I think it's an easy thing forging a document. It's nearly impossible to forge a piece of microfilm from nearly 50 years ago. I don't doubt he was born here.
There is an issue when he returned here after living in Indonesia and how that was handled. It's possible that he technically may have had to re-establish his citizenship here and I never heard a clear story about that. But honestly, that's splitting hairs a bit.
Rather than argue his birth, the GOP should be arguing policy. Win with ideas, not mud. It works better.
I have hope for the GOP. But it needs to be reformed. "Real" conservatives that have actual thoughts need to purge the party.
It doesn't matter where he was born. His mother was a USA citizen that makes him a USA citizen.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Dec 5, 2009 12:35:42pm |
re: #357 captdiggs
He said it was "enemy territory" because the Army votes Republican and the president is a Democrat.
It's an inartful comment - but not an expression of hatred.
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suchislife Sat, Dec 5, 2009 12:37:18pm |
re: #357 captdiggs
Actually, what I think happened there was that Matthews accidently let slip how much he has swallowed the right wing smear that there is hate between every demoractic politician and the military, on both sides. Lefty bloggers would say that this is because he is a villager, a member of a class that may profess allegiance to the left, but will always let the right set the terms of the debate.
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