Majority of Americans Believe Knowledge of American Revolution is Important - But Fail Test for Knowledge

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A new survey commissioned by the American Revolution Center has found that an overwhelming majority of Americans (90%) believe that knowledge of the American Revolution and its principles is very important.

The survey also found that nearly the same number of people (89%) believed they could pass a test on their basic knowledge of the Revolution.

But when they were given that test, only 17% passed.

Oops.

The American Revolution Center commissioned the first national survey to assess adult knowledge of the American Revolution. The results show that an alarming 83 percent of Americans failed a basic test on knowledge of the American Revolution and the principles that have united all Americans. Results also revealed that 90 percent of Americans think that knowledge of the American Revolution and its principles is very important, and that 89 percent of Americans expected to pass a test on basic knowledge of the American Revolution, but scored an average of 44 percent. The survey questions addressed issues related to the Revolutionary documents, people, and events, and also asked attitudinal questions about the respondents’ perception of the importance of understanding the Revolutionary history and the institutions that were established to preserve our freedoms and liberties. The survey results highlight the importance of, interest in, and lack of understanding of our Founding. For a printable PDF copy of the survey, click here.

Among other interesting findings, more than 50 percent of Americans wrongly attributed the quote, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” to George Washington, Thomas Paine, or President Barack Obama, when it is in fact a quote from Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto.”

How many of these people who put such value on knowing their history (yet actually know very little history) show up at tea party demonstrations dressed in 18th century clothing?

Here’s a quiz at the American Revolution Center site — see how you do.

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410 comments
1 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:45:10pm

Not surprising at all.

2 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:45:33pm

the glass is half empty.

3 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:48:30pm

Bummer- I wish the test was available online so folks could see how they do against the national average.

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:49:02pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

Bummer- I wish the test was available online so folks could see how they do against the national average.

Oh! It's here.

5 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:49:38pm

I bet a lot of the folks who thought they could pass but didn't hang out at far right blogs and have nifty quotes from Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry on all their posts.

6 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:49:42pm

"The American Revolution: Who Cares?"

They were just a bunch of slave-owning white guys.

/

7 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:50:47pm

Great thing is, none of it matters.

These folk have some vague idea of what the Revolution was and what it was about, and have some nebulous second or third hand understanding of the Constitution and what is and is not appropriate to a republican form of government, but, ultimately, none of it matters.

Most people are woefully ignorant of basic facts of law and government, and yet, we've survived. The TP'ers can dress up in tricorn hats and knee breeches till the cows come home - changes nothing one way or the other.

Right now, the leftish mob is riding high, and the rightish mob is howling; this is the inverse of the situation a few years ago.

8 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:51:02pm

13 percent of those surveyed believed that Abraham Lincoln was the "Father of the Constitution. 6 percent said Winston Churchill.

*sigh*

9 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:52:17pm

It's like the people who fail hypothetical citizenship tests yet scream at the top of their lungs about how certain people are unAmerican. As a history major, the ignorance in this country of history is truly sad. I had to explain to my own mother once that Poland was not part of the Axis Powers and that in fact their population was decimated by the Nazis.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:52:48pm

Among other interesting findings, more than 50 percent of Americans wrongly attributed the quote, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” to George Washington, Thomas Paine, or President Barack Obama, when it is in fact a quote from Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto.”

11 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:52:51pm

I believe that history classes are as important as science classes for each grade level.

In schools when I was growing up, American history was taught by the football coaches. All they did was read straight out of the texts. Dull. Dull. Dull. And, our state history books were almost as old as we were!

12 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:53:23pm

re: #10 Charles

Among other interesting findings, more than 50 percent of Americans wrongly attributed the quote, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” to George Washington, Thomas Paine, or President Barack Obama, when it is in fact a quote from Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto.”

Now, *that* is extremely alarming.

13 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:53:34pm

re: #10 Charles

Among other interesting findings, more than 50 percent of Americans wrongly attributed the quote, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” to George Washington, Thomas Paine, or President Barack Obama, when it is in fact a quote from Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto.”

And who's shocked?

Socialism is here, baby!

14 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:54:15pm

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

15 McSpiff  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:54:36pm

I somehow skipped answering the first question, but as a 21 year old Canadian male, I got 8/10 or 8/9 answered. Damn cultural imperialism.

16 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:55:01pm

re: #7 Guanxi88

Great thing is, none of it matters.

These folk have some vague idea of what the Revolution was and what it was about, and have some nebulous second or third hand understanding of the Constitution and what is and is not appropriate to a republican form of government, but, ultimately, none of it matters.

Most people are woefully ignorant of basic facts of law and government, and yet, we've survived. The TP'ers can dress up in tricorn hats and knee breeches till the cows come home - changes nothing one way or the other.

Right now, the leftish mob is riding high, and the rightish mob is howling; this is the inverse of the situation a few years ago.

Perhaps this (history) should be more thoroughly covered in oh I don't know, schools maybe?

17 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:55:17pm

I scored a 90%. Had to think back to a couple of scenes in 1776 for a couple of them, though.

18 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:55:33pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

Same here.

19 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:56:31pm

re: #17 The Sanity Inspector

I scored a 90%. Had to think back to a couple of scenes in 1776 for a couple of them, though.

Seems like there is a bug in the code.

20 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:56:31pm

People on the left constantly mis-attribute quotes. The "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" is a biggie for them.

No - it's not Thomas Jefferson.

21 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:58:12pm

re: #20 FrogMarch

People on the left constantly mis-attribute quotes. The "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" is a biggie for them.

No - it's not Thomas Jefferson.

SanFranNan!

22 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:58:20pm

re: #20 FrogMarch

People on the left constantly mis-attribute quotes. The "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" is a biggie for them.

No - it's not Thomas Jefferson.

/Hillary Clinton?

23 lightspeed  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:58:23pm

Charles, a correction is in order. Only 17% passed the test not 44%. 44% was the average score:

"The results show that an alarming 83 percent of Americans failed a basic test on knowledge of the American Revolution "

"scored an average of 44 percent."

24 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:58:45pm

re: #16 brookly red

Perhaps this (history) should be more thoroughly covered in oh I don't know, schools maybe?

Schools have got better things to do than provide a basic education to future citizens of the nation.

25 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:58:50pm

re: #21 MandyManners

SanFranNan!

Close. Howard Zinn.

26 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:59:01pm

re: #13 Guanxi88

And who's shocked?

Socialism is here, baby!

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

Margaret Thatcher

27 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:59:54pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Oh! It's here.

+1776!

28 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 3:59:59pm

10/10. Had never heard of the Black spy at Yorktown but I knew that Uncle Tom was the character from the famous novel, that Crispus Attucks was one of the victims of hte Boston Massacre, and that Frederick Douglass was from a way different era. Had heard of the Jewish Polish financier somewhere before.

29 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:00:31pm

re: #25 MandyManners

Close. Howard Zinn.

Why, he is Jefferson, isn't he? He surely seems to think he is, anyway.

30 McSpiff  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:01:05pm

re: #23 lightspeed

Charles, a correction is in order. Only 17% passed the test not 44%. 44% was the average score:

"The results show that an alarming 83 percent of Americans failed a basic test on knowledge of the American Revolution "

"scored an average of 44 percent."

I honestly don't understand how thats possibly. American Revolution gets vaguely mentioned in school here, with a note on french support. Dad took me to yorktown and a few other battle sites as a kid. But otherwise I learned all my knowledge of it from things like PBS, History Channel and Amazing Race.

31 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:01:17pm
32 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:01:21pm

re: #26 rwdflynavy

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

Margaret Thatcher

but we can print more!

33 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:01:45pm

re: #23 lightspeed

Charles, a correction is in order. Only 17% passed the test not 44%. 44% was the average score:

"The results show that an alarming 83 percent of Americans failed a basic test on knowledge of the American Revolution "

"scored an average of 44 percent."

Jesus Christ that is pitiful. I could have passed the test if it wasn't multiple choice.

34 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:01:47pm

re: #32 brookly red

but we can print more!

borrow it from the grandkids.

35 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:01:47pm

re: #25 MandyManners

Close. Howard Zinn.

ding!

36 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:01:52pm
Half did not have even a basic understanding of historical chronology, believing that either the Civil War, Emancipation Proclamation, or the War of 1812 occurred before the American Revolution.

Dear Stars Above- that's just a national disgrace.

37 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:02:40pm

I took the test. It says I got 7/10, but it never actually asked me one question listed at the end and did ask me one question twice. Weird. And if I had seen the one question during the quiz I would have answered right. So really would have gotten 8/10. Not too shabby.

38 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:02:49pm

re: #30 McSpiff

I honestly don't understand how thats possibly. American Revolution gets vaguely mentioned in school here, with a note on french support. Dad took me to yorktown and a few other battle sites as a kid. But otherwise I learned all my knowledge of it from things like PBS, History Channel and Amazing Race.

/apparently so did everyone else.

39 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:03:11pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

Same here, mine skipped 2 but I would've gotten them. One was about the flag, the other the preamble to the constitution. I did take an educated guess here and there though.

40 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:03:59pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

Dear Stars Above- that's just a national disgrace.

Amazing, though, that, hindered though most people are by their fundamental ignorance, they were still able to elect that most urbane representative of the best traditions of American constitutional law and scholarship, the living embodiment of all that is right in the great nation which he seeks to change fundamentally.

We get the government we deserve, and right now, we're getting it good and hard.

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:04:11pm

It seems that the folks surveyed did well on the pop culture questions, like how many kids "John and Kate" have, or who sang "Billie Jean", so I guess it's not a total loss.
/

42 Cathypop  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:04:17pm

re: #17 The Sanity Inspector
I scored 80 and 1776 is one of my favorite movies. Favorite line "Oh good God!"

43 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:04:42pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

That was the one question I got wrong. I knew it couldn't be Douglass or Uncle Tom. It was 50/50 and luck was not on my side.

44 McSpiff  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:05:08pm

Y'all need heritage minutes down there:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

45 MisterCookie  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:05:15pm

Someone here (I think it was Sharmuta) attributed the recent rise of extremism in both parties to poor civics & history education. This seems to support that assertion.

46 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:05:20pm

Got a 70.

Although I did notice something funny. It asked me twice "The unalienable right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” is outlined in which document?" which I got correct "twice." But in the results it showed an unanswered question of "The Preamble of the U.S. Constitution begins with which of the following phrases?"

47 TheMatrix31  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:05:46pm

re: #37 Irenicum

Same.

48 lightspeed  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:05:51pm

Very bizarre. It said I scored 6/10 and then gave me a list of questions that I missed/got right that weren't even asked!!

49 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:06:24pm

re: #46 Gus 802

Got a 70.

Although I did notice something funny. It asked me twice "The unalienable right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” is outlined in which document?" which I got correct "twice." But in the results it showed an unanswered question of "The Preamble of the U.S. Constitution begins with which of the following phrases?"

re: #48 lightspeed

Very bizarre. It said I scored 6/10 and then gave me a list of questions that I missed/got right that weren't even asked!!

Diebold!

50 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:06:28pm

re: #30 McSpiff

I honestly don't understand how thats possibly. American Revolution gets vaguely mentioned in school here, with a note on french support. Dad took me to yorktown and a few other battle sites as a kid. But otherwise I learned all my knowledge of it from things like PBS, History Channel and Amazing Race.

That's one good thing about being in Boston. The Revolutionary War period is everywhere. Walk 2 blocks in any direction and you come across a historic site. I still doubt Bostonians did any better than anyplace else -the buildings are just part of the scenery and are only noticed by tourists, it seems.

51 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:06:34pm

We really showed them russkies something back then didn't we!

If it hadn't been for the English helping us against them and the French this mighty Christian nation might never even have existed!

///

52 recusancy  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #49 Guanxi88

Diebold!

ACORN

53 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:06:49pm

re: #49 Guanxi88

Diebold!

I demand a recount!

/

54 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:07:26pm

re: #53 Gus 802

I demand a recount!

/

recusancy has selected the arbiter.

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:07:30pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

Exact same - percentage, the skip & the repeat.

Really poorly coded site at first glance, too.

William

56 lightspeed  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:07:39pm

re: #52 recusancy

DIECORN!

57 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:07:51pm

I contacted the Center to let them know that their quiz has a few bugs in it.

58 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:08:01pm

re: #52 recusancy

ACORN

/no silly that's where you answer 6 out of 10 and score 160%...

59 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:08:12pm

As a side note, I got a 98 percent on my 8th grade Constitution Test, tied for the best in my class. I got one question wrong.

It asked "What county do you live in" and I thought it said "What country do you live in?" I thought, "wow, a gimme question" and wrote the United States of America.

When I got the test back I was pissed.

60 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:08:32pm

I took it again, and it missed 1 question and marked it wrong. This test aint that scientific IMHO-though I am sure many know little about history.

61 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:09:35pm

Hmm, maybe the test thingy's a bit off.

Anywho, all you have to do is watch Jay-walking on the Leno program (c'mon, PLEASE watch it, Jay's dying out there) to see how pig-ignorant some folk are.

62 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:10:10pm

Some of those were hard. I got 70% and I'm the biproduct of the union of two history professors.

63 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:10:16pm

There was a glitch in the test. They presented the wrong question on #1. Woulda gotten an 80 otherwise.

Then again, everyone else knows that by now.

64 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:10:17pm

I've taken the sample citizenship tests before too. The only question I usually get wrong is "What is the name of this test."

65 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:10:28pm

The results in their report are not from the online quiz, by the way, but from a much more complete written test.

66 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:10:29pm

re: #59 Soap_Man

I had to read your post three times before I figured out what you got wrong! Wow!

67 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:10:58pm

re: #57 Charles

I contacted the Center to let them know that their quiz has a few bugs in it.

Was this quiz outsourced?

68 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:11:02pm

re: #65 Charles

The results in their report are not from the online quiz, by the way, but from a much more complete written test.

That's what I was thinking.

69 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:11:16pm

It asked me twice how many stripes were on the original flag.

70 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #62 Conservative Moonbat

Some of those were hard. I got 70% and I'm the biproduct of the union of two history professors.

The questions were not hard. The quiz code is busted.

71 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:11:52pm

re: #69 Conservative Moonbat

It asked me twice how many stripes were on the original flag.

Sounds like a math question.

72 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:11:55pm

re: #67 Alouette

Was this quiz outsourced?

We could all get better results with off-shore workers to answer these questions for us!!!
//

73 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:11:57pm

re: #69 Conservative Moonbat

It asked me twice how many stripes were on the original flag.

I noticed that. According to the answers, the question really was "Who was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence?"

74 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:12:00pm

re: #66 Irenicum

I had to read your post three times before I figured out what you got wrong! Wow!

You feel my pain.

75 Pepper Fox  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:12:01pm

All the lizards are really slowing down the quiz

76 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:12:11pm

re: #45 MisterCookie

Someone here (I think it was Sharmuta) attributed the recent rise of extremism in both parties to poor civics & history education. This seems to support that assertion.

I sure did. Just as dangerous, imo, as the assault on science by the theo-cons is the assault on history and civics. It's hard to keep the Republic if we don't understand its history nor the reasoning for its structure and function. Were we to have a better understanding of civics, the theo-cons would understand where we have a separation of Church and State.

77 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:12:14pm

Shoot.
There was a glitch in that quiz.
my first question was how many stripes were there in the original flag?
I got the same question again at #9.

I answered it correctly, but when I got my score, I was scored on question 1 for this question, which I never saw:

Who was the African slave whose spying on behalf of the Continental Army contributed to the British defeat at Yorktown?

There were at least 3 questions that I never saw, so my answer for those questions, by question number, were wrong.

78 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:12:25pm

re: #59 Soap_Man

As a side note, I got a 98 percent on my 8th grade Constitution Test, tied for the best in my class. I got one question wrong.

It asked "What county do you live in" and I thought it said "What country do you live in?" I thought, "wow, a gimme question" and wrote the United States of America.

When I got the test back I was pissed.

Those are exactly the kind of questions I get wrong. I am a fast reader so some times I miss certain letters.

79 lightspeed  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:12:48pm

History and science are probably the two most neglected subjects in American schools. So basically the kids won't know who we are and where we are going. Sad.

80 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:13:07pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I've taken the sample citizenship tests before too. The only question I usually get wrong is "What is the name of this test."

Reminds me of the story of my boss' father. Went for his citizenship hearing and examination. Fellow was a general under Chiang during the Chinese Civil War and WWII; artilleryman, so stone-deaf.

"What is today?" asks the examiner

"Monday"

"Who is the President of the United States"

"Bill Clinton"

"What time is it now?"

"1:00 pm."

"How long have you been waiting?"

"Five years." Anyone who's gone through the permanent resident to citizen thing gets that the General was making a joke at the examiner's expense.

81 The Shadow Do  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:13:09pm

When did they stop teaching this stuff. Most of this is 6-8th grade to me.

82 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:13:10pm

I'm not sure if the test is a requirement for citizenship anymore. I never took it, and got through without complications.

83 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:13:21pm

9 out of 10 (Actually 8/10 because it skipped a question I knew)

I couldn't remember the name of the slave James Armistead

Sad statement of the level of education in this country if only 17% can pass this quiz. Surely it is not for lack of information as this is, after all, the information age in which we are literally bombarding with details.

Looks like another case of garbage in = garbage out

84 ryannon  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:13:27pm

re: #79 lightspeed

History and science are probably the two most neglected subjects in American schools. So basically the kids won't know who we are and where we are going. Sad.

It's better that they don't.

85 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:13:33pm

re: #69 Conservative Moonbat

It asked me twice how many stripes were on the original flag.

So answer it, already. I know from dealing with my wife that you can't just ignore a question.

86 Pepper Fox  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:08pm

re: #82 fenrisdesigns

I'm not sure if the test is a requirement for citizenship anymore. I never took it, and got through without complications.

Is a citizenship test required to get a green card or work visa?

87 Right Handed Neutrino  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:20pm

Got a 7/10. I suppose that's not too bad for a Canadian, though I got lucky on a question or two.

88 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:30pm

re: #72 rwdflynavy

We could all get better results with off-shore workers to answer these questions for us!!!
//

I remember listening to a talk show a couple of years ago (can't remember whose it was. Medved? Hannity? Someone I don't listen to anymore) they had a "man on the street" interview asking random people questions like "Who is the Vice President of the United States?" "Who is the Prime Minister of Canada?"

The only person who got all the questions right was a tourist from Australia.

89 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:34pm

re: #79 lightspeed

History and science are probably the two most neglected subjects in American schools. So basically the kids won't know who we are and where we are going. Sad.

/I am sure that's accidental.

90 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:38pm

Sadly, pop culture is all the kidz want to eat.

91 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:41pm

re: #62 Conservative Moonbat

Some of those were hard. I got 70% and I'm the biproduct of the union of two history professors.

They must be so disappointed.


/

92 MandyManners  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:56pm

re: #86 Pepper Fox

Is a citizenship test required to get a green card or work visa?

Why should it be? People getting those papers won't be citizens.

93 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:14:59pm

re: #70 Alouette

The questions were not hard. The quiz code is busted.

Haym Salomon is pretty obscure, particularly since it was a T/F question with a lot of variables.

94 Guanxi88  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:15:27pm

re: #86 Pepper Fox

Is a citizenship test required to get a green card or work visa?

Nope. you can be perm res or come in on an H-class visa without any of that jive.

95 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:15:42pm

re: #86 Pepper Fox

Is a citizenship test required to get a green card or work visa?

I dunno. I haven't seen a greencard in twelve-odd years. Do they test minors in that or citizenship tests?

96 recusancy  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:15:46pm

re: #88 Alouette

I remember listening to a talk show a couple of years ago (can't remember whose it was. Medved? Hannity? Someone I don't listen to anymore) they had a "man on the street" interview asking random people questions like "Who is the Vice President of the United States?" "Who is the Prime Minister of Canada?"

The only person who got all the questions right was a tourist from Australia.

Michael Moore. He does that at the end of all his talks usually with the audience. He did it on Jimmy Kimmel a few months ago and a Canadian beat an American.

97 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:16:00pm

re: #83 Bagua

I couldn't remember the name of the slave James Armistead

You didn't need to remember James Armistead. By process of elimination, all the other answers were wrong.

98 FrogMarch  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:16:00pm

I got one question twice, and a few of the questions were never asked.

99 Pepper Fox  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:16:09pm

re: #94 Guanxi88

Nope. you can be perm res or come in on an H-class visa without any of that jive.

Ah just wondering, because I know someone who is coming over from NZ soon on that.

100 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:16:38pm

I can't recommend reading biographies of the Founders- all of them are such amazing men. Some of their wives too! I love Washington, Franklin, and Abigail Adams.

101 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:16:40pm

re: #96 recusancy

Michael Moore. He does that at the end of all his talks usually with the audience. He did it on Jimmy Kimmel a few months ago and a Canadian beat an American.

I don't think Michael Moore had a talk show, and if he did, I never listened to it.

102 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:16:48pm

re: #95 fenrisdesigns

I dunno. I haven't seen a greencard in twelve-odd years. Do they test minors in that or citizenship tests?

and why are green cards not green?

103 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:16:52pm

re: #88 Alouette

Crikey!

104 osprey34229  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:17:06pm

Big question
How did the BHO voters do on the test??

105 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:17:17pm

I took a government class in 12th grade. It was mandatory. I learned quite a bit in that class though. I remember really enjoying learning about Supreme Court cases. Heck, I still remember the made for TV movie with Henry Fonda playing Clarence Earl Gideon in Gideon's Trumpet. That was in 8th grade though.

106 recusancy  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:17:25pm

re: #101 Alouette

I don't think Michael Moore had a talk show, and if he did, I never listened to it.

I meant when he gives speeches or whatever. Probably wasn't him then if you heard it on the radio.

107 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:17:27pm

re: #49 Guanxi88

It asked me how many stripes were in the original flag twice and then said I had gotten the answer to "who was our allie in the war" question wrong when it never even asked that. Methinks they have a bug in their code...

108 Pepper Fox  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:17:31pm

I scored a 6/10. Not bad considering I haven't even thought about any of that since I was in grade school.

109 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:17:50pm

re: #97 Alouette

You didn't need to remember James Armistead. By process of elimination, all the other answers were wrong.

Tests where you have to fill in an answer instead of deducing which is wrong are a better means of testing knowledge.

110 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:17:51pm

re: #101 Alouette

I don't think Michael Moore had a talk show, and if he did, I never listened to it.

He had The Awful Truth in the 90s. I remember one segment where he followed the Westboro van with his Sodomobile or something like that.

111 Pepper Fox  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:18:01pm

re: #107 ausador

It asked me how many stripes were in the original flag twice and then said I had gotten the answer to "who was our allie in the war" question wrong when it never even asked that. Methinks they have a bug in their code...

I didn't get any errors, I think all the lizards taking it all at once is causing a few spotty errors and slowing it down.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:18:18pm

re: #90 FrogMarch

Sadly, pop culture is all the kidz want to eat.

Sadder still, those surveyed were not kidz.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:18:46pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Tests where you have to fill in an answer instead of deducing which is wrong are a better means of testing knowledge.

Yes, but they are way harder to code.

114 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:18:49pm

re: #110 fenrisdesigns

Then again, I was a complete Moore-on back in the day.

115 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:18:56pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

Same here.

116 Pepper Fox  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:19:17pm

re: #110 fenrisdesigns

He had The Awful Truth in the 90s. I remember one segment where he followed the Westboro van with his Sodomobile or something like that.

sauce.
117 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:19:50pm

re: #107 ausador

They do. Charles has already notified the company.

118 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:20:17pm

17% pass rate for a multiple choice quiz is really pathetic.
Assuming 5 choices per question, 17% is actually worse than a completely random result of 20% which could probably be acheived by a monkey.

119 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:20:19pm

re: #104 osprey34229

Big question
How did the BHO voters do on the test??

/they did about the same every time they took it...

120 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:21:48pm

re: #116 Pepper Fox

I was hoping someone would provide that!

121 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:23:14pm

re: #118 Spare O'Lake

17% pass rate for a multiple choice quiz is really pathetic.
Assuming 5 choices per question, 17% is actually worse than a completely random result of 20% which could probably be acheived by a monkey.

Why does it have to be a monkey? You must be a racist.///

122 Logician  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:23:48pm

FWIW, Karl Marx is not the originator of the slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Just its most famous advocate.

Also FWIW, I got one answer wrong in the online quiz, though it only gave me 8 because of the bug. However, one of my correct answers was a pure guess, so perhaps 8 is fair.

123 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:23:50pm

No surprise. Many Americans still believe Iraq was a peaceful land of rainbows and ponies before Bush Jr. showed up.

124 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:24:05pm

re: #119 brookly red

/they did about the same every time they took it...

There goes a thought: we dig through the comments and compile our results! And by we I mean Charles. >:3

125 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:24:17pm

re: #104 osprey34229

Big question
How did the BHO voters do on the test??

12 out of 10? You know how the administration likes to fudge the numbers.

126 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:24:39pm

re: #104 osprey34229

Big question
How did the BHO voters do on the test??

On the PDF, it breaks down Republican, Democrat and Independent answers, as well as income level and education.

It looks like Republicans did slightly better on most questions, but there doesn't seem to be a huge difference.

127 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:26:19pm

re: #104 osprey34229

Big question
How did the BHO voters do on the test??

Quiet!

This is to show how stupid the tea parties are.

128 Lidane  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:26:23pm

9/10 here. The only one I got wrong was the spy question. I knew that it came down to James Armistead and Crispus Attucks, but I haven't thought of either of those names since high school and I chose wrong.

Ah well. It's still 90%, which is respectable. :)

129 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:26:24pm

I think this study result is similar to the results not too long ago concerning science. In that study, most Americans failed a science quiz, yet felt understanding science was important, just like they failed this test, but think knowledge of the Revolution is important.

I think what's going on might be a disconnect between what we think is important to understand, and the amount of time we back up that sentiment with actually understanding it. We see this a lot on the climate change threads where folks will say they don't know, but fail to seek out information so they can understand and be informed. It's not much different with history. There are plenty of resources available to learn about the Revolution...

I guess I'm concerned that we are saying as a people we care about the education on science and history, but fail to follow-up and make them priorities to ourselves as much as our posterity. Words are cheap. They must be backed up with action. Let us hope we can do so.

130 mr.JA  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:26:34pm

I got 50% right - which is not bad considering that my history classes about the US are more than a decade away (I'm European).
In all honesty, I only knew two answers for sure - the preamble of the constitution and the primary author of the declaration of independence.
I guessed France as an ally in the revolutionary war on the basis of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' principle.

I doubt many people here in Europe would score high in quizzes about their history, even though the comparison wouldn't be fair - we have a whole lot more to remember...

;) Sorry, I couldn't resist

131 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:27:05pm

One question was about Hayim Solomon. There is a statue of Hayim, Robert Morris and George Washington on the near north side of Chicago. Once during the 1950's my grandfather, Walter Joseph Sachsel, stood with me before the statue. My grandfather read aloud the inscription:

The government of the United States/which gives to bigotry no sanction to the persecution/no assistance requires only that they who live under/its protection should demean themselves as good citizens/in giving it on all occasions their effectual support/President George Washington 1790

My grandfather then told me that Jews are safe here in America. God bless America.
Hayim SolomonHayim Solomon, Robert Morris, and George Washington

NB: Around that time when my grandfather, my brother and I stood before Hayim Solomon and George Washington, Rosa Parks was standing up - sitting down actually - for her rights and the rights of all African Americans.
President Washington's words still apply.

132 captdiggs  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:27:27pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

Here too. Same score 90%
It completely skipped the ( which country was an ally ) question but at the scoring end showed that I had no answer to the question.

133 webevintage  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:27:44pm

100%
Only because I saw a short about Haym Salomon on TCM a few weeks ago.

134 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:28:10pm

Where was Benedict Arnold stationed when he was discovered to be a traitor?

135 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:28:22pm

re: #125 soxfan4life

In other news, Kim Jong Il's approval rating dropped to 120% today.

136 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:28:40pm

re: #130 mr.JA

I got 50% right - which is not bad considering that my history classes about the US are more than a decade away (I'm European).
In all honesty, I only knew two answers for sure - the preamble of the constitution and the primary author of the declaration of independence.
I guessed France as an ally in the revolutionary war on the basis of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' principle.

I doubt many people here in Europe would score high in quizzes about their history, even though the comparison wouldn't be fair - we have a whole lot more to remember...

;) Sorry, I couldn't resist

Your history is easy. Just pick "Germany invaded" and you'll be fine!!
//

137 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:28:43pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

Where was Benedict Arnold stationed when he was discovered to be a traitor?

West Point?

138 Pepper Fox  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:29:05pm

re: #135 fenrisdesigns

In other news, Kim Jong Il's approval rating dropped to 120% today.


Image: Fox%27s+Pie+Chart_f8430-712037.jpg

139 darthstar  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:29:33pm

8 out of 10, but would have been 10/10 had I not double-guessed on Nathan Hale and Yorktown.

140 ryannon  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:29:35pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

West Point?

Guantanamo?

141 captdiggs  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:30:03pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

Where was Benedict Arnold stationed when he was discovered to be a traitor?

Good one

I think Saratoga.

142 Skandal  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:30:05pm

Scored 9 out of 10. Not too shabby for a Canadian. American history is far more interesting than Canadian history. No Civil War for one reason.

143 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:30:36pm

re: #142 Skandal

Scored 9 out of 10. Not too shabby for a Canadian. American history is far more interesting than Canadian history. No Civil War for one reason.

French and Indian War?

144 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:30:44pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

Where was Benedict Arnold stationed when he was discovered to be a traitor?

/in an ACORN office?

145 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:30:56pm

re: #45 MisterCookie

Someone here (I think it was Sharmuta) attributed the recent rise of extremism in both parties to poor civics & history education. This seems to support that assertion.

And now for the rest of the story ... The poll is generally given around July 4th each year. American's usually flub the poll. I would be curious to know if results are any worse now than when I first heard Paul Harvey report the results during the 1950's.

146 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:31:19pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

West Point?

Indeed.

147 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:31:53pm

There are a lot of interesting figures from the Revolution like Salomon who aren't household names but very interesting and important to the war effort. I did a report in my revolutionary war history class on an Irishman named Oliver Pollock who played a role in getting the Spanish to help the revolutionaries in the deep South and is the man responsible for the dollar sign. I am more in to modern history than I am colonial but it's an interesting time period.

148 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:32:00pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

Where was Benedict Arnold stationed when he was discovered to be a traitor?

I think I remember that from The Brady Bunch when Peter played him in a school play. Hold on...

149 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:32:50pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

West Point?

ENEMY TERRITORY!!!
//

150 Skandal  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:33:43pm

re: #143 Alouette

You have a point but wasn't the French and Indian War in the 1750s and Canada became a country in 1867?

151 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:33:52pm

re: #123 Racer X

No surprise. Many Americans still believe Iraq was a peaceful land of rainbows and ponies before Bush Jr. showed up.

And kites.

152 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:33:57pm

re: #149 rwdflynavy

ENEMY TERRITORY!!!
//

LOL!

153 Odahi  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:34:03pm

But there are so many more important subjects than history and science. Diversity, women's studies, and GLBT issues among them...
///

154 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:34:40pm

80% is actually kinda embarrassing for me because history has been the center of my attention for awhile.

155 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:35:20pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

There are a lot of interesting figures from the Revolution like Salomon who aren't household names but very interesting and important to the war effort. I did a report in my revolutionary war history class on an Irishman named Oliver Pollock who played a role in getting the Spanish to help the revolutionaries in the deep South and is the man responsible for the dollar sign. I am more in to modern history than I am colonial but it's an interesting time period.

One of the most overlooked groups to play a fascinating part in the Revolution is Women. Two of my favorites are Dicey Langston and Deborah Samson.

156 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:35:35pm

re: #150 Skandal

You have a point but wasn't the French and Indian War in the 1750s and Canada became a country in 1867?

I was trying to think of a time when English Canadians went to war against French Canadians.

157 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:36:55pm

re: #153 Odahi

But there are so many more important subjects than history and science. Diversity, women's studies, and GLBT issues among them...
///

And what is wrong with subjects like "Diversity, women's studies, and GLBT issues?"

158 mr.JA  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:37:30pm

re: #136 rwdflynavy

Your history is easy. Just pick "Germany invaded" and you'll be fine!!
//

lol, if you look at our history lessons that is actually true (I come from a town heavily damaged in the battle of Arnhem), much teaching is focussed on WWII.
Actually - 'France/Spain invaded' would be more accurate if you look at the older history... and don't underestimate these wars, part of them managed to kill 25% of the population - just think of that, a war that actually kills 25% of a country. Without using machine guns or anything...

159 citybilly  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:37:30pm

well after all Half of American are below average Intelligence. ;-P

160 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:37:37pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

And what is wrong with subjects like "Diversity, women's studies, and GLBT issues?"

in the 3rd grade?

161 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:38:02pm

re: #155 Sharmuta

One of the most overlooked groups to play a fascinating part in the Revolution is Women. Two of my favorites are Dicey Langston and Deborah Samson.

Those bios sound like they were written in the 1800's.

162 Solomon2  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:38:57pm

9/10 on the quiz. Some sort of fault, it asked the same question twice.

163 Skandal  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:39:02pm

re: #156 Alouette

Yes, you're right. Battle of the Plains of Abraham. There were only a few thousand soldiers involved. Whereas, the US Civil War hundreds of thousands.

164 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:39:15pm

re: #97 Alouette

You didn't need to remember James Armistead. By process of elimination, all the other answers were wrong.

Great, rub salt in my wound!

/whimper, whimper - teh smart kids are mean.

165 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:39:20pm

re: #160 brookly red

in the 3rd grade?

Sorry, I must have misunderstood. I'll rephrase my question "And what is wrong with subjects like Diversity, women's studies, and GLBT issues in the 3rd grade?

166 Fenris  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:39:36pm

re: #160 brookly red

in the 3rd grade?

Because what's childhood without a campus production of The Vagina Monologues?

///

167 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:39:56pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I've taken the sample citizenship tests before too. The only question I usually get wrong is "What is the name of this test."

Heh. I remember a copy of the UK citizenship test I saw while I was working there. One question went like this:

You jostle someone in a pub, causing him to spill his drink. Do you:

a) Ignore him
b) Offer to pay for his dry cleaning
c) Buy him another drink
d) Get ready for a fight

I'm pretty sure the answer they wanted was (c). Having been in a couple of rough pubs though, I would have thing (d) would be more realistic.

Topic: Okay, that's sad. I passed the Revolutionary War, as I see did many other non US Lizards.

168 Odahi  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:40:27pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

There's not a thing wrong with them, they just don't have the importance (IMO) of science and history. Not to mention math and English.

169 captdiggs  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:40:30pm

I always cringe when Leno or someone does the pop street quiz with questions like "Who is Joe Biden?"...and half the people say something like "he was on American idol".

170 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:40:35pm

re: #163 Skandal

Yes, you're right. Battle of the Plains of Abraham. There were only a few thousand soldiers involved. Whereas, the US Civil War hundreds of thousands.

American Civil War is one of the most fascinating periods of history.

And an opportunity to tell me Robert Stacy McCain joke:

Stacy McCain was walking along the beach when he found an ancient lamp washed up on shore. He rubbed, and sure enough, a huge genie appeared and said, "You are my master! I am here to grant you three wishes!"

Stacy thought about this and said, "I want to go back in time, to the Old South."

"We can do that," said the genie.

"And, I want to live on a big plantation, full of cotton fields!"

"Your wish is granted," said the genie.

"And, I want the South to win!"

"Done!" said the genie. He snapped his fingers, and Stacy McCain felt himself change. He was on a huge plantation, standing in the cotton field. He felt the chains on his ankles and the burn of the whip as the overseer flayed his back.

"Wait, wait, wait!" cried McCain.

He heard the genie's voice, "You got three wishes, sucka, and you didn't wish to be the master!"

171 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:40:38pm

NEA and teachers union strawman and meme appears in 3, 2, 1...

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:40:41pm

re: #159 citybilly

I wouldn't expect "Half of [an] American" to score well on any test, being preoccupied with bifurcation and all.

173 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:40:58pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, I must have misunderstood. I'll rephrase my question "And what is wrong with subjects like Diversity, women's studies, and GLBT issues in the 3rd grade?

/it's the Daily Double!

174 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:41:12pm

Looks like we have temporarily worn out the deniers in the "Thank You" thread. I'm sure they'll be back later...like when everyone is asleep...

175 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:41:30pm

re: #161 Alouette

Those bios sound like they were written in the 1800's.

I read a book on Sampson- it was pretty good. Amazing, gutsy woman.

176 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:42:23pm

re: #169 captdiggs

I always cringe when Leno or someone does the pop street quiz with questions like "Who is Joe Biden?"...and half the people say something like "he was on American idol".

that's not so far from the truth...

177 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:42:24pm

re: #168 Odahi

There's not a thing wrong with them, they just don't have the importance (IMO) of science and history. Not to mention math and English.

Of course they do, even more important... probably more important than even climate change... at least this week...

(Someone explain to Odahi about me, please?)

178 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:42:25pm

re: #174 ausador

Deny everything. My lawyer told me that once.

179 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:43:38pm

re: #176 brookly red

He is "The American Idol Vice President" isn't he?

180 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:43:50pm

re: #163 Skandal

Yes, you're right. Battle of the Plains of Abraham. There were only a few thousand soldiers involved. Whereas, the US Civil War hundreds of thousands.

re: #163 Skandal

Yes, you're right. Battle of the Plains of Abraham. There were only a few thousand soldiers involved. Whereas, the US Civil War hundreds of thousands.

The night before the Battle of The Plains of Abraham, General James Wolfe wrote his mother back home in England that his looked forward to returning home as his contractual service to the British Army was up. General Wolfe died the next day on The Plains of Abraham. One of the many sadnesses of that war.

181 Skandal  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:43:58pm

re: #170 Alouette

Yes, wouldn't that be just desserts.

182 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:44:16pm

re: #173 brookly red

/it's the Daily Double!

And I played numbers 658.

I remember when back in the early 60's, in Brooklyn, when my grandmother would give me a dollar bill and a piece of paper with a 3 digit number on it and tell me to take both to the nice man at the corner candy store.

I didn't know I was running number for her.

183 Odahi  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:45:23pm

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

It's okay, Walter, I had my sense of humor surgically removed. I'm odd in other ways, too.

184 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:45:35pm

re: #178 soxfan4life

Deny everything. My lawyer told me that once.

Oh gawd, you said the D word...

185 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:46:34pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

I read a book on Sampson- it was pretty good. Amazing, gutsy woman.

I reviewed a book about Loreta Janeta Velasquez for Civil War Book Review. Wow. What a self-promoting attention queen, but not as much as Pauline Cushman.

186 Girth  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:46:45pm

OT

Sorry Notre Dame fans, but I've been waiting for this story to drop for the last week. I knew they wouldn't disappoint:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

187 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:47:19pm

re: #167 Kruk

Heh. I remember a copy of the UK citizenship test I saw while I was working there. One question went like this:

You jostle someone in a pub, causing him to spill his drink. Do you:

a) Ignore him
b) Offer to pay for his dry cleaning
c) Buy him another drink
d) Get ready for a fight

I'm pretty sure the answer they wanted was (c). Having been in a couple of rough pubs though, I would have thing (d) would be more realistic.

Topic: Okay, that's sad. I passed the Revolutionary War, as I see did many other non US Lizards.

I think they have a pub time question on their residency test. My cousin who lives in England was talking about it when she was visiting.

188 Skandal  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:48:23pm

re: #180 Stuart Leviton

It was indeed a tragic affair. There's a famous portrait of Wolfe dying on the battlefield.

189 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:49:39pm

Where's Ludwig... Sadly, I do almost miss him.

190 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:50:49pm

re: #182 Walter L. Newton

And I played numbers 658.

I remember when back in the early 60's, in Brooklyn, when my grandmother would give me a dollar bill and a piece of paper with a 3 digit number on it and tell me to take both to the nice man at the corner candy store.

I didn't know I was running number for her.

well you did like the new bycicle now didn't you? ;)

191 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:51:32pm

not having studied the topic at any particular length - i scored 6/10.

192 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:52:03pm

re: #190 brookly red

well you did like the new bycicle now didn't you? ;)

I wondered how she afforded to buy my Easter and Christmas outfits at Barney's, with Mr. Barney actually assisting us at the store.

193 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:52:53pm

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

Where's Ludwig... Sadly, I do almost miss him.

I don't

194 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:52:53pm
195 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:53:24pm

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

Where's Ludwig... Sadly, I do almost miss him.

Me too, he was a good poster 90% of the time.

Ludwig, come back, just apologise and all is forgiven.

196 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:54:04pm

re: #193 soxfan4life

I don't

It did make for a certain level of entertainment... do we have to find a new cabin boy now?

197 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:54:43pm

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

I wondered how she afforded to buy my Easter and Christmas outfits at Barney's, with Mr. Barney actually assisting us at the store.

well tomorrow I will play 658 for you & if it hits you can pick the charity...

198 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:55:02pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

It did make for a certain level of entertainment... do we have to find a new cabin boy now?

hi folks!...I live in a cabin

199 recusancy  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:55:02pm

"Think of how stupid the average person is and then realize that half of them are stupider than that."
~ George Carlin

200 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:55:29pm

re: #199 recusancy

"Think of how stupid the average person is and then realize that half of them are stupider than that."
~ George Carlin

Scary

201 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:55:47pm

re: #198 albusteve

hi folks!...I live in a cabin

Pile on!

202 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:55:51pm

re: #195 Bagua

Me too, he was a good poster 90% of the time.

Ludwig, come back, just apologise and all is forgiven.

Apologize for what... really, is there a reason that he is not here... what did I miss? Did he get banned? If something happened I really missed it.

203 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:56:26pm

re: #202 Walter L. Newton

Apologize for what... really, is there a reason that he is not here... what did I miss? Did he get banned? If something happened I really missed it.

Stealth flounce.

204 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:56:29pm

re: #197 brookly red

well tomorrow I will play 658 for you & if it hits you can pick the charity...

Ok.

205 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:57:04pm

re: #203 Alouette

Stealth flounce.

Oh really, I missed that. Ok... that explains it.

206 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:57:38pm

re: #202 Walter L. Newton

Apologize for what... really, is there a reason that he is not here... what did I miss? Did he get banned? If something happened I really missed it.

No he wasn't banned that I know of, though he may have flounced...

He was angrily insulting a bunch of regular posters and hasn't been back since.

207 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:58:29pm

re: #206 Bagua

No he wasn't banned that I know of, though he may have flounced...

He was angrily insulting a bunch of regular posters and hasn't been back since.

You mean the "north korean" night of comments?

208 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:58:33pm

re: #206 Bagua

No he wasn't banned that I know of, though he may have flounced...

He was angrily insulting a bunch of regular posters and hasn't been back since.

me for one...I can live without that nonsense...maybe he's in therapy

209 BlackFedora  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:58:35pm

I got 9 out of 10 correct.

210 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:58:50pm

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

You mean the "north korean" night of comments?

yes

211 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:59:31pm

re: #208 albusteve

me for one...I can live without that nonsense...maybe he's in therapy

wait, I thought this was therapy...

212 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:59:51pm

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

You mean the "north korean" night of comments?

Yes, that was the crescendo, though there had been a number of similar meltdowns in the past in which he resorted to insults instead of reason.

213 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:00:32pm

re: #211 brookly red

wait, I thought this was therapy...

and free!...'cept who's the therapist?

214 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:01:02pm

re: #213 albusteve

and free!...'cept who's the therapist?

Check your email, I sent you a bill.

215 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:01:17pm

re: #213 albusteve

nothing is free you commie.///

216 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:01:18pm

re: #202 Walter L. Newton

I think he was just upset by many here "flaunting of the constitution" by opposeing civilian trials for terrorists. He hasn't been seen since those three threads about it that turned into shouting matches. I suppose he is still nurseing a grudge, shame really...

217 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:01:27pm

re: #213 albusteve

and free!...'cept who's the therapist?

/Mandy will see you now...

218 Bob Dillon  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:01:51pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

Same here. - And then my primary schooling was in the 40s & 50s. ;-)

219 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:01:56pm

re: #215 soxfan4life

nothing is free you commie.///

Cowboys lost...I need medication

220 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:02:37pm

re: #212 Bagua

Yes, that was the crescendo, though there had been a number of similar meltdowns in the past in which he resorted to insults instead of reason.

so, lots of people do that...

221 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:02:51pm

re: #219 albusteve

Cowboys lost...I need medication

found some

222 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:03:33pm

re: #216 ausador

I think he was just upset by many here "flaunting of the constitution" by opposeing civilian trials for terrorists. He hasn't been seen since those three threads about it that turned into shouting matches. I suppose he is still nurseing a grudge, shame really...

Ok, I wish he wouldn't have left that way, but at the same time, that does show some character (which I wasn't sure he had) if he was able to take a stand and stick to it.

I was on that thread that night, and I didn't agree with anything he was saying, but, at least he felt he was right and he stuck to his guns.

Honestly, that takes character.

223 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:03:45pm

re: #216 ausador

I think he was just upset by many here "flaunting of the constitution" by opposeing civilian trials for terrorists. He hasn't been seen since those three threads about it that turned into shouting matches. I suppose he is still nurseing a grudge, shame really...

I believe it is formally called "butthurt."

224 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:04:01pm

I'm not surprised the Lizards would score well on this test. This blog has always attracted very intelligent people.

225 rurality  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:04:59pm

re: #206 Bagua

actually, I thought he was hounded by a clique of people who twisted certain of his words to make some issue. Granted he had a smug delivery and could appear, that dreaded word hurled at the left, "condescending", but the willfully ignorant responses hurled his way, were petty and small.

226 osprey34229  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:05:05pm

Now where does the fault for this lack of knowledge
rest?
teachers
students
parents
curriculum
It can't be money ,we spend more per student than any
western country!
I think it's the dumbing down of our culture to it's lowest
common denominator ie the 'self esteem syndrome'.

227 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #220 brookly red

so, lots of people do that...

if I insult someone intentionally and they laugh it off, I tend to have more respect for them, rather than those who nit pic and escalate over nothing really...that's how Walter and I get along mostly...I told him I didn't give a shit about his opinion and go fuck himself...he just blew it off...heh

228 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:06:08pm

O/T: The Grinch lives in Copenhagen...
[Link: www.wopular.com...]

229 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:06:22pm

re: #225 rurality

actually, I thought he was hounded by a clique of people who twisted certain of his words to make some issue. Granted he had a smug delivery and could appear, that dreaded word hurled at the left, "condescending", but the willfully ignorant responses hurled his way, were petty and small.

Who is this evil "clique of people" exactly who twisted his words?

230 Mikko_Sandt  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:06:30pm

70% even though I'm not even an American.

231 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:06:44pm

re: #219 albusteve

Cowboys lost...I need medication

232 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:06:47pm

re: #225 rurality

actually, I thought he was hounded by a clique of people who twisted certain of his words to make some issue. Granted he had a smug delivery and could appear, that dreaded word hurled at the left, "condescending", but the willfully ignorant responses hurled his way, were petty and small.

He was hounded... ok, you evidently have not been here much. Ludwig could hold his own, agree with him or not, he held his own... and I don't think he needs anyone suggesting that he was hounded.

Geeessshhh

233 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:07:19pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I wish he wouldn't have left that way, but at the same time, that does show some character (which I wasn't sure he had) if he was able to take a stand and stick to it.

I was on that thread that night, and I didn't agree with anything he was saying, but, at least he felt he was right and he stuck to his guns.

Honestly, that takes character.

he was wrong, and I think he knew it

234 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:08:05pm

re: #178 soxfan4life

Deny everything. My lawyer told me that once.

Your lawyer sucks. *My* lawer told me to deny everything, admit to nothing *and* make counter-accusations.

235 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:08:16pm

re: #225 rurality

actually, I thought he was hounded by a clique of people who twisted certain of his words to make some issue. Granted he had a smug delivery and could appear, that dreaded word hurled at the left, "condescending", but the willfully ignorant responses hurled his way, were petty and small.

It might be best to leave this topic be. It proved to be very divisive and we don't need that on a Sunday night. What's done is done.

236 citybilly  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:08:26pm

re: #142 Skandal

re: #199 recusancy

awesome!

237 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:09:00pm

re: #233 albusteve

he was wrong, and I think he knew it

I wasn't taking issue with the right or wrong, only that he stood his ground, and that means something.

And honestly, I don't like to talk about someone who is not here to defend himself, i was just asking a question about where he has been.

I'm done with the Ludwig subject.

238 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:09:01pm

re: #235 Bloodnok

beat me to it...

239 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:09:07pm

re: #206 Bagua
Maybe he just needs a little down time to recuperate from the shock of the email debacle.///

241 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:09:29pm

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

He was hounded... ok, you evidently have not been here much. Ludwig could hold his own, agree with him or not, he held his own... and I don't think he needs anyone suggesting that he was hounded.

Geeessshhh

he was the one doing the hounding, cranking it up a notch at a time until he blew...he can't stand disagreement with his POV...imo

242 rurality  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:09:30pm

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

yesterday Charles said something, when things were getting a little tit-for-tat, that he didnt want things deteriorating into another personal grudge match. I immediately thought of what went on last time LVQ was in the house.

243 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:09:44pm

re: #227 albusteve

if I insult someone intentionally and they laugh it off, I tend to have more respect for them, rather than those who nit pic and escalate over nothing really...that's how Walter and I get along mostly...I told him I didn't give a shit about his opinion and go fuck himself...he just blew it off...heh

some folks just just don't get that... it's the tag teams that turn me off.

244 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:10:19pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't taking issue with the right or wrong, only that he stood his ground, and that means something.

And honestly, I don't like to talk about someone who is not here to defend himself, i was just asking a question about where he has been.

I'm done with the Ludwig subject.

good idea...same here

245 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:10:22pm

re: #239 tradewind

Maybe he just needs a little down time to recuperate from the shock of the email debacle.///

I reckon he will be back...

Ludwig is just busy deleting emails and cleaning up his code comments like everyone else.

246 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:10:53pm

re: #227 albusteve

if I insult someone intentionally and they laugh it off, I tend to have more respect for them, rather than those who nit pic and escalate over nothing really...that's how Walter and I get along mostly...I told him I didn't give a shit about his opinion and go fuck himself...he just blew it off...heh

You told me to fuck off... dammit jerk. :)

247 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:11:11pm

re: #245 Bagua

del *.*

248 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:11:52pm

Supper... be back later... maybe... got the new star trek movie to watch... maybe be back tonight...

249 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:12:02pm

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

You told me to fuck off... dammit jerk. :)

self defense

250 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:12:06pm

re: #245 Bagua
How do you do that? And to think I've threatened my kids with the dire warning that ' whatever you email lives forever, so think about whether you'd be comfortable seeing it in print on the front page of the daily newspaper '.

251 rurality  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:12:16pm

re: #229 Bagua

I didnt say evil.

252 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:12:25pm

re: #247 Gus 802

c/dos. c/dos. run/dos run

253 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:12:57pm

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

It's v good.

254 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #242 rurality

yesterday Charles said something, when things were getting a little tit-for-tat, that he didnt want things deteriorating into another personal grudge match. I immediately thought of what went on last time LVQ was in the house.

He was generally one side of every major meltdown in recent months. I don't see there being a "clique" on the other side, unless that clique is the majority.

Also, no one could "twist" his words, there were too many of them. The problem wasn't that he took one side of the argument, it was all the anger and insults which flew at both friend and foe.

255 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:14:46pm

Speaking of the Revolutionary war era, does anyone know if there's ever been a biography published on Roger Sherman? Interesting guy one of a handful of guys who signed the Declaration, Articles of Confederation, and Constitution. He's also responsible for Congress's set up as it is and was a self made guy.

256 abolitionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:15:17pm

Got 8 of 10.
:)

257 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:15:33pm

Everyone sing!

258 Ojoe  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:15:50pm

The declaration says "happiness" & the constitution says "property."

Quite interesting; I think you need both ideas.


BBL

259 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:17:07pm

re: #254 Bagua

He was generally one side of every major meltdown in recent months. I don't see there being a "clique" on the other side, unless that clique is the majority.

Also, no one could "twist" his words, there were too many of them. The problem wasn't that he took one side of the argument, it was all the anger and insults which flew at both friend and foe.

Well at least he didn't bring his whole posse with him.

260 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:17:28pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Here's one

[Link: colonialhall.com...]

261 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:17:46pm

re: #256 abolitionist
I got eight out of ten as well, but the test showed that I got seven out of ten, because one of the questions they showed me as having missed was not even on the test... what's up with that? They ' disappeared ' the question I know I answered correctly, and put in some random one I had never seen on the test.
Test must have been written by the Palm Beach County election board...///

262 Bill Jefferson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:18:35pm

Ten out of 10. But I would have had problems with the "from each/to each" quote. Oh, I know it's Marx, but it is very similar to something Saint Paul said, I suspect President Obama embraces the idea, and I wouldn't put it past that opportunistic cretin Thomas Paine.

263 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:18:36pm

re: #260 soxfan4life

Here's one

[Link: colonialhall.com...]

Thanks. Always interested in learning about people who are overlooked by the history books. Reading a new biography of Woodrow Wilson now actually by this professor from UW-Madison.

264 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:18:39pm

re: #261 tradewind

i just went back and looked at the result page - they swapped out a question or two on mine.

265 Ojoe  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:18:48pm

re: #261 tradewind

The test has a glitch and 9 is as high as you can get.

266 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:19:18pm

re: #261 tradewind

Palm Beach County or Cook County?

267 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:22:03pm

I missed the Haymon Soloman question...9/10...
never heard of him

268 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:22:37pm

re: #262 Bill Jefferson
Given Obama's history of real estate purchases and love of glitz, he might want to rewrite it as ' From each according to his ability with exceptions for those of us in the Chicago elite to each according to his willingness to vote for me'.

269 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:22:59pm

re: #259 brookly red

Well at least he didn't bring his whole posse with him.

Did anyone?

270 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:23:16pm

re: #265 Ojoe

The test has a glitch and 9 is as high as you can get.

I dismissed that one

271 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:23:27pm

re: #266 soxfan4life
Six of one, half dozen of the other///.

272 rurality  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:23:31pm

re: #254 Bagua

Yes, he could cook up quite the verbal stew, but that was his MO. That's why I thought it was pretty lame to harp on isolated words, as if they negated the whole. I also thought his insults were part of his MO, I'd certainly seen them fly around in the past, which is why I thought it odd people's skin became so sensitive when they couldnt or wouldnt make their case. I miss the bracing element he added, but I am done opining.

273 Stonemason  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:23:39pm

Sheesh, took it, answered the questions, and ended up with a 70%, however, the three I was scored wrong on, I was never asked. I live 20 miles outside of Philadelphia, I think I would have answered correctly where the Liberty Bell is (and I know what is was rung for as well)

so, 100% for this right winger

274 SteveMcG  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:24:24pm

I got 9, but I think I got some easy questions. I won't pretend to know enough about the revolution. I think one thing that isn't taught enough are events that led up to the Declaration. I remember the Boston Massacre, Paul Revere's ride, Nathan Hale's quote, (but not the reason he was on the gallows in the first place) and the Boston Tea Party. I don't remember anybody in school ever doing more than teaching a timeline, probably to pass a standardized test.

275 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:24:34pm

re: #269 soxfan4life

Did anyone?

I don't name names, it is what it is...

276 ThomasLite  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:25:03pm

8/10. it failed to show me the ally question (which I would've answered correctly) and I had no clue who haym salomon was. still don't and will read up on him tomorrow (it's 2:24 in the night here now).
funny thing is they dont exactly teach that much US history over here in the Netherlands. how a born&raised american citizen could flunk that test is beyond me, really.

277 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:25:16pm

re: #264 wozzablog
They not only swapped it out, they wrote in an (incorrect) answer for me!
It's a conspiracy.///

278 darthstar  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:25:49pm

Fot the Cowboy fans out there who aren't happy with the results of the game, Rosie Greer has a special message for you.

(Go Vikes!)

279 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:26:09pm

re: #274 SteveMcG

I got 9, but I think I got some easy questions. I won't pretend to know enough about the revolution. I think one thing that isn't taught enough are events that led up to the Declaration. I remember the Boston Massacre, Paul Revere's ride, Nathan Hale's quote, (but not the reason he was on the gallows in the first place) and the Boston Tea Party. I don't remember anybody in school ever doing more than teaching a timeline, probably to pass a standardized test.

read up on Washingtons fighting retreat from NYC then back into Jersey etc...hell of a story...the man was simply awsome

280 SteveMcG  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:26:21pm

I guess maybe the website wasn't prepared to get so many hits?

281 SteveMcG  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:26:55pm

re: #278 darthstar
Great game!!!

282 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:27:02pm

re: #278 darthstar

Fot the Cowboy fans out there who aren't happy with the results of the game, Rosie Greer has a special message for you.

(Go Vikes!)


[Video]

what's that supposed to mean?...I can't see the vid

283 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:27:58pm

re: #272 rurality

Yes, he could cook up quite the verbal stew, but that was his MO. That's why I thought it was pretty lame to harp on isolated words, as if they negated the whole. I also thought his insults were part of his MO, I'd certainly seen them fly around in the past, which is why I thought it odd people's skin became so sensitive when they couldnt or wouldnt make their case. I miss the bracing element he added, but I am done opining.

"I also thought his insults were part of his MO" that is correct, and why many turned against him. We have divergent views on this site, it is possible to debate and disagree while maintaining civility.

As I say, I enjoyed the rest of his commentary, and 95% of it was not insults. I personally wish he'd drop the insults and come back and take up his side of the debate.

284 shai_au  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:28:12pm

60% - and I'm not even American! O_o

285 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:28:32pm

re: #280 SteveMcG
I prefer the theory that they're altering the data to affect the results, thus giving the effect of a less well informed public.///

286 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:28:36pm

re: #277 tradewind

They not only swapped it out, they wrote in an (incorrect) answer for me!
It's a conspiracy.///

No, it's just sucky code.

287 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:29:00pm

re: #276 ThomasLite

I got that one right - i just remember hearing something about an eastern european financier once upon a time years ago.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

288 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #278 darthstar

Fot the Cowboy fans out there who aren't happy with the results of the game, Rosie Greer has a special message for you.

(Go Vikes!)


[Video]

That is the funniest thing I have seen all day.

289 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:29:21pm

re: #286 Alouette
/I triple sarc-ed it./

290 SteveMcG  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:29:22pm

re: #285 tradewind

Now THAT would be scandalous!

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:29:38pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

I'm confused. I got 80%, but I didn't actually answer the two questions I missed--and I know those answers.

292 darthstar  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:29:46pm

re: #282 albusteve

what's that supposed to mean?...I can't see the vid

Rosie Greer singing "It's alright to cry" from the "Free to be You and Me" album (1974)

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:30:07pm

re: #16 brookly red

Perhaps this (history) should be more thoroughly covered in oh I don't know, schools maybe?

We do try...

294 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:30:20pm

re: #286 Alouette

No, it's just sucky code.

Imagine what it says in the comments.

295 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:30:40pm

re: #290 SteveMcG
I know!
No group would ever do anything like that.
Especially academics.///

296 blueraven  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:31:33pm

re: #14 Alouette

You got 9 of 10 possible points.
Your score: 90%

You have knowledge!

I would have got 100% but the online quiz skipped one question and asked the same question twice.

Same thing here, but I do admit to a couple of guesses, one lucky and one semi educated.

297 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:31:48pm

re: #294 Bagua

Imagine what it says in the comments.

All the comments are in Urdu, or Chinese.

298 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:31:53pm

re: #287 wozzablog
I got that one right because it was just so out there that I figured it had to be true. I actually had no clue.

299 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:33:30pm

re: #287 wozzablog

I got that one right - i just remember hearing something about an eastern european financier once upon a time years ago.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

When my kids went to Yeshiva, they learned that Haym Salomon was the most important person in the American Revolution, but the public school kids learned that it was Crispus Attucks.

300 abolitionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:34:49pm

re: #298 tradewind

I got that one right because it was just so out there that I figured it had to be true. I actually had no clue.

I let PC help decide that one.

301 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:34:54pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

We do try...

my kids got a reasonable public education, but US history was sorely lacking, as was any kind of geography...I filled in for them and the were rewarded for helping themselves by me...there is just no other way unless you home school

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:34:57pm

re: #42 Cathypop

I scored 80 and 1776 is one of my favorite movies. Favorite line "Oh good God!"

"Not everyone's from Boston, John."

303 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:35:23pm

re: #279 albusteve

read up on Washingtons fighting retreat from NYC then back into Jersey etc...hell of a story...the man was simply awsome

I live a few blocks from where the battle of Long Island was fought. It is a park now and houses the remains of the prison ship martyrs... weird but the trees won't grow straight just gnarly.

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:35:47pm

re: #43 Soap_Man

That was the one question I got wrong. I knew it couldn't be Douglass or Uncle Tom. It was 50/50 and luck was not on my side.

Crispus Attucks was one of the men killed at the Boston Massacre, so I was able to eliminate all the others.

305 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:35:55pm

re: #299 Alouette
b

ut the public school kids learned that it was Crispus Attucks.

Picture a kid in today's world named Crispus Attucks having to attend a public school with the resultant bullying and teasing about his name. He'd never make it.

306 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:36:07pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm confused. I got 80%, but I didn't actually answer the two questions I missed--and I know those answers.

Was Haym Salomon a Litvak or a Galitzianer?

307 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:36:25pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

Crispus Attucks was one of the men killed at the Boston Massacre, so I was able to eliminate all the others.

Process of elimination.

308 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:36:37pm

re: #301 albusteve
Public schools have a very hard time teaching American History... every possible topic is fraught with possibilities for offending different groups.

309 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:36:57pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

We do try...

I meant public schools...

310 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:37:02pm

re: #303 brookly red

I live a few blocks from where the battle of Long Island was fought. It is a park now and houses the remains of the prison ship martyrs... weird but the trees won't grow straight just gnarly.

I go back east and am literally overwhelmed with history...so much and so little time...I have never been out on Long Island

311 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:37:25pm

Ok... I'm back for a few minutes... the step-critter is going to practice the piano THEN we are going to watch the new Star Trek movie.

I'm looking forward to seeing Sean. He said he really enjoyed making the film and his Dad was real proud of this project.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:37:41pm

re: #55 wlewisiii

Exact same - percentage, the skip & the repeat.

Really poorly coded site at first glance, too.

William

It asked me about Haym Solomon twice, and then didn't count that question. And first I hit true, and then I hit false, because I thought at the last minute that he was Sephardi.

313 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:38:29pm

re: #308 tradewind

Public schools have a very hard time teaching American History... every possible topic is fraught with possibilities for offending different groups.

yes, hence my disdain for the NEA...among other disdains

314 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:38:37pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

It asked me about Haym Solomon twice, and then didn't count that question. And first I hit true, and then I hit false, because I thought at the last minute that he was Sephardi.

Galitzianer. Definitely a Galitzianer. Gershom Mendes Seixas was Sephardi, though.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:38:47pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I've taken the sample citizenship tests before too. The only question I usually get wrong is "What is the name of this test."

I had to take a Civics test online to get my teaching credential, and that one was a killer.

316 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:40:34pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

I had to take a Civics test online to get my teaching credential, and that one was a killer.

my nursing degree test about killed me...unreal difficulty, but I did well...surprisingly

317 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:40:57pm

re: #310 albusteve

I go back east and am literally overwhelmed with history...so much and so little time...I have never been out on Long Island

The British had prison ships in the East River, when they retreated they left over 11,000 colonists to starve to death locked in their cells. Hence the prison ship martyrs. 11,000. They don't teach that in the schools.

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:41:57pm

re: #80 Guanxi88

Reminds me of the story of my boss' father. Went for his citizenship hearing and examination. Fellow was a general under Chiang during the Chinese Civil War and WWII; artilleryman, so stone-deaf.

"What is today?" asks the examiner

"Monday"

"Who is the President of the United States"

"Bill Clinton"

"What time is it now?"

"1:00 pm."

"How long have you been waiting?"

"Five years." Anyone who's gone through the permanent resident to citizen thing gets that the General was making a joke at the examiner's expense.

Citizenship test anecdote: some BDS involved. We apologize in advance.

One of my father's friends is a French lady of a certain age, who was studying for her citizenship test. While he was at lunch with her and her husband, she tripped, and bonked her head. They were trying to figure out if she was OK. My father finally decided to try civics questions. "OK, Mathilde," he says, "who's the president of the United States?"

Mathilde sits bolt upright and says, with great dignity, "Zee eedeeot Boosh."

319 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:42:12pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

Crispus Attucks was one of the men killed at the Boston Massacre, so I was able to eliminate all the others.

That was the question I flubbed, I knew he was significant in that era but forgot the actually reference. Shameful I know.

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:42:42pm

re: #81 The Shadow Do

When did they stop teaching this stuff. Most of this is 6-8th grade to me.

Everywhere I've taught, we do teach this stuff. I myself actually taught the American Revolution to an ESL class, which was a three-ring circus in and of itself.

321 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:43:59pm

re: #317 brookly red

The British had prison ships in the East River, when they retreated they left over 11,000 colonists to starve to death locked in their cells. Hence the prison ship martyrs. 11,000. They don't teach that in the schools.

I've heard that factoid...the Brits could be ruthless...consider the invention of the concentration camp and all that goes with it...disease, starvation etc

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:44:24pm

re: #93 Conservative Moonbat

Haym Salomon is pretty obscure, particularly since it was a T/F question with a lot of variables.

Like I said, I panicked because I wasn't sure he was Polish. And I didn't learn about him in public school, I learned about him at Temple Emanu-El in San Francisco. One of those guys you have to do a Sunday School report on. It's always him or Henrietta Szold.

323 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:44:55pm

I'd like to go out on the streets of Chicago or LA and ask a random sample this question: ' Who is the vice president of the United States ', followed by ' Who is the Speaker of the House'?
Five 'll get you ten that the correct answer ratio would be well under twenty percent.

324 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:45:32pm

re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist

Everywhere I've taught, we do teach this stuff. I myself actually taught the American Revolution to an ESL class, which was a three-ring circus in and of itself.

Have you ever read "The Education of H*Y*M*A*N K*A*P*L*A*N"

325 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:46:04pm

re: #321 albusteve

There was a saying on the Indian subcontinent - "the sun will never set on the British empire because God can not trust an Englishman in the dark"

326 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:46:23pm

re: #321 albusteve

I've heard that factoid...the Brits could be ruthless...consider the invention of the concentration camp and all that goes with it...disease, starvation etc

the trees won't grow straight...

327 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:46:45pm

I finally figured out what this popular Tea Party flag is. It's the flag of the second American Revolution.

It's very close to the 3 percenters/Oathkeepers flag but not quite

BTW, the racist conspiracy cult 4409 was at that Ron Paul event too.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:46:59pm

re: #136 rwdflynavy

Your history is easy. Just pick "Germany invaded" and you'll be fine!!
//

There's a delightful book which is a world history compounded of screamingly funny student errors from history exams. Did you know that the Irish immigrated to America to get away from Hitler?

329 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:47:00pm

re: #325 wozzablog

There was a saying on the Indian subcontinent - "the sun will never set on the British empire because God can not trust an Englishman in the dark"

Hitler could tho...lights out

330 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:47:46pm

re: #326 brookly red

the trees won't grow straight...

the answer will be found under the Ice of Antarctica

331 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:49:19pm

re: #330 albusteve

the answer will be found under the Ice of Antarctica

Soon to be the beaches of Antarctica.. no?

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:49:26pm

re: #145 Stuart Leviton

And now for the rest of the story ... The poll is generally given around July 4th each year. American's usually flub the poll. I would be curious to know if results are any worse now than when I first heard Paul Harvey report the results during the 1950's.

Americans enjoy giving each other history tests and then kvelling with shame (I know, it's a weird concept) when we do poorly. I don't know if other countries do this, but it seems to give us pleasure.

333 AtadOFF  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:50:36pm

The test has issues... or my laptop does. It asked me who was the primary author of the declaration of independence and then told me that the answer to the question of which nation was an ally was France.

334 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:51:10pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

I finally figured out what this popular Tea Party flag is. It's the flag of the second American Revolution.

I thought that this was the flag of the Second American Revolution

335 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:51:15pm

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a delightful book which is a world history compounded of screamingly funny student errors from history exams. Did you know that the Irish immigrated to America to get away from Hitler?

Yes I knew that, the first documented biologic warfare was when the Nazi's caused the potato famine.

/

336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:51:16pm

re: #104 osprey34229

10 out of 10 in my case. :)

337 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:52:21pm

re: #326 brookly red

the trees won't grow straight...

Call the "Ghost Hunters," they'd love to do that one...

/

338 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:52:23pm

re: #331 soxfan4life

Soon to be the beaches of Antarctica.. no?

yes, condos and casinos, waterparks

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:52:28pm

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

You mean the "north korean" night of comments?

Yes. Night of the North Koreans.

340 Locker  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:53:11pm
341 Achilles Tang  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:55:31pm

Well, I got 8/10, with one stupid mistake, but also two partly lucky guesses. Seems to me that it was bit heavily weighted on some names that many people would legitimately forget after many years. The Marx quote though is a killer because one doesn't ever have to have seen it to know it doesn't fit here.

342 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:55:47pm

re: #334 Alouette

Some people (confederates) do consider the Civil War as a second revolution.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:56:16pm

re: #308 tradewind

Public schools have a very hard time teaching American History... every possible topic is fraught with possibilities for offending different groups.

I've not seen a lot of trouble with the subject matter--the reading level of the students and their ability to organize material is another matter.

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:57:09pm

re: #309 brookly red

I meant public schools...

Yeah, I've taught there too, and it's not that bad. It's the reading comprehension and listening abilities that trip the kids up.

345 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:59:09pm

re: #329 albusteve

Don't even joke - seriously.

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:59:12pm

re: #324 Alouette

Have you ever read "The Education of H*Y*M*A*N K*A*P*L*A*N"

Oh my. Yes.

And Yaakov Smirnoff did a rather wonderful follow up to it in the 80s--a sitcom called "What a Country".

347 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:59:23pm

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Some people (confederates) do consider the Civil War as a second revolution.

So the Tea Partiers are getting ready for a third revolution.

348 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:59:47pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

It asked me about Haym Solomon twice, and then didn't count that question. And first I hit true, and then I hit false, because I thought at the last minute that he was Sephardi.

One of my tasks in Israel was to evaluate the training programs of industrial plants. I asked one trainer how he validated the material. He said "We give an essay test and an American test. "American" turned out to mean multiple-choice.

349 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:00:09pm

re: #347 Alouette

more like a turd revolution.

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:00:11pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

I finally figured out what this popular Tea Party flag is. It's the flag of the second American Revolution.

It's very close to the 3 percenters/Oathkeepers flag but not quite

BTW, the racist conspiracy cult 4409 was at that Ron Paul event too.

Eedeeots.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:00:59pm

re: #334 Alouette

I thought that this was the flag of the Second American Revolution

What the hell is that?

352 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:01:13pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I've taught there too, and it's not that bad. It's the reading comprehension and listening abilities that trip the kids up.

learning is an afterthought to many children...I blame the parent(s)...we are rapidly becoming a nation of doofi...literate with iPods but cannot find their ass with both hands

353 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:01:27pm

re: #341 Naso Tang

Not really - givem the average level of comprehension of Marx and now seemingly of America's own revolution - the fact people are being fooled is no suprise whatsoever.

As someone who has read Marx - not at length - but at least partially - i find it quite funny.

354 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:02:22pm

re: #345 wozzablog

Don't even joke - seriously.

it's not a joke...Hitler shut down British imperialism...you uncomfortable with that?...it's history

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:03:32pm

re: #353 wozzablog

Not really - givem the average level of comprehension of Marx and now seemingly of America's own revolution - the fact people are being fooled is no suprise whatsoever.

As someone who has read Marx - not at length - but at least partially - i find it quite funny.

At least it's not people trying to convince me at parties that the phrase 'separation of church and state' is from the Commnist Manifesto.

356 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:04:30pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

What the hell is that?

That's the flag of the Confederate States. (The red thing with the blue "X" was their battle standard)

357 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:04:41pm

re: #347 Alouette

Yes - because they want their country back from the seekrit muslim black guy...

358 Spilchy  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:05:50pm

Woohoo! 8 out of 10 on the quiz! Now I can officially dress up in 18th century garb and wave my "Don't Tread on Me" flags at the tea parties since I know my US history!

359 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:06:43pm

re: #358 Spilchy

Woohoo! 8 out of 10 on the quiz! Now I can officially dress up in 18th century garb and wave my "Don't Tread on Me" flags at the tea parties since I know my US history!

What is your avatar?

360 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:09:27pm

re: #354 albusteve

I thought you were going for the whole appeasement thing - i read it as you saying "hitler could trust the english in the dark". That is a dark dark point.

The end of British imperialism wasn't stricly Hitler's doing - as much as it was Hirohito's war in the East and our reliance on India whom we paid back - eventually - with independence. India should have been made independent after WW1 - that was the begining of the end in all honesty. So much good will in the colonies squandered when we gave them nothing back for their help in the trenches. A very sad period.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:11:38pm

re: #356 Alouette

That's the flag of the Confederate States. (The red thing with the blue "X" was their battle standard)

The St. Andrew's Cross. Damn that looks weird.

362 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:12:01pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure if Glen Beck told people it was true they would believe it - fact checking with some of those guys, not so much.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:12:37pm

re: #358 Spilchy

Woohoo! 8 out of 10 on the quiz! Now I can officially dress up in 18th century garb and wave my "Don't Tread on Me" flags at the tea parties since I know my US history!

Do you really want to, though?

Actually, I'd LOVE to do 18th C. reenactment, but everyone who does it does military, or trappers. Not my thing.

364 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:12:51pm

re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist

The St. Andrew's Cross. Damn that looks weird.

You know, the Confed National flag looks like a dumbed-down version of the Stars & Stripes.

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:13:38pm

re: #362 wozzablog

I'm sure if Glen Beck told people it was true they would believe it - fact checking with some of those guys, not so much.

The time I got told that was from before the real rise of Beck. They got it from somewhere, I don't know where. Snopes has it.

366 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:14:05pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you really want to, though?

Actually, I'd LOVE to do 18th C. reenactment, but everyone who does it does military, or trappers. Not my thing.

Years ago, a co-worker tried to get me into Civil War reenactment. I said NO FREAKING WAY would I ever get into that iron underwear.

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:14:19pm

re: #364 Alouette

You know, the Confed National flag looks like a dumbed-down version of the Stars & Stripes.

The version that you see before the real flag fully loads.

368 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:15:13pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Just go back further to the middle ages... commonly wenches, fine ales to quaff, assorted animals being spitroasted over open fires...

those were the days.

369 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:15:44pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you really want to, though?

Actually, I'd LOVE to do 18th C. reenactment, but everyone who does it does military, or trappers. Not my thing.

On the East Coast, you can volunteer as a docent at a historical site. Where you are, maybe a Spanish nun.

370 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:18:12pm

re: #365 SanFranciscoZionist

That genuinely is fantastic.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:18:29pm

re: #366 Alouette

Years ago, a co-worker tried to get me into Civil War reenactment. I said NO FREAKING WAY would I ever get into that iron underwear.

Civil War is out, unless I were to cross-dress. The clothes are hideous.

From Sharyn McCrumb, as always:

(Holding up a skull with a bullet hole.)"This man was definately murdered. And I can describe the murderer for you."

"Really?"

"Yes. The killer was a white male between the ages of twenty and fifty, from Pennsylvania or New York, and was wearing a dark blue suit at the time the killing took place."

"Wow. How did you figure that out?"

"Well, the tombstone up on the ridge says this guy was killed at Chickamauga, and I just kind of figured the rest out."

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:20:01pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

On the East Coast, you can volunteer as a docent at a historical site. Where you are, maybe a Spanish nun.

We have reenactor volunteers at Fort Point. Some Mexican-period stuff at Monterey. Russian at Fort Ross. Not so much around here, although costumed docents for the Kaiser shipyards would be way cool.

373 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:21:26pm

9 out of 10. I thought the flag question was a trick and selected 15.

374 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:22:32pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

Not so much around here, although costumed docents for the Kaiser shipyards would be way cool.

Easy costume.

Image: at0071.2s.jpg

375 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:23:23pm

re: #364 Alouette

Arguably it's a sub-section of the United States flag - some of the stripes, some of the stars, and roughly the same format.

Just like the CSA was... ;)

376 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:23:41pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

We have reenactor volunteers at Fort Point. Some Mexican-period stuff at Monterey. Russian at Fort Ross. Not so much around here, although costumed docents for the Kaiser shipyards would be way cool.

Here we have Greenfield Village. I was just laid off from Ford and I thought that I would apply to the Village, when I went with some relatives who were visiting from out of town. It was August. Went into the 1840's "hat shop" on "Main Street." No AC back in those days.

Ick. Just ick.

377 Achilles Tang  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:24:19pm

here's another survey if anyone likes these.

This one is pretty fast and compares what could be called moral perspectives with political affiliation. Liberal or Conservative. Predictably I scored fairly much in between in most areas but surprisingly to me, more authoritarian than the benchmark for conservatives. Probably that comes from my role as a know it all on LGF.

Moral Foundations Questionnaire

378 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:36:33pm

re: #348 Decatur Deb

One of my tasks in Israel was to evaluate the training programs of industrial plants. I asked one trainer how he validated the material. He said "We give an essay test and an American test. "American" turned out to mean multiple-choice.

Heh. My wife and I were looking at jewellery in a shop owned by Indian immigrants. Some of the items set with what looked like very impressive diamonds were amazingly cheap, in fact too cheap to be right. When I queried it, the owners told me those were "American diamonds" (cubic zirconias.) When I asked why "American", I was told it was because they were all appearance and no substance. :)

379 m0rtaar  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:55pm

9/10. I missed the spy, and should have known that at least by process of elimination. Instead I put Crispus Attucks, which is dumb because I know he was shot at the Boston Massacre. OH well.

BTW, I would venture a guess that many of the people who wear the 18th century clothing know more than the average person. They're usually very pedantic about arcane knowledge of the time period. Some of them go as far as to make the same stitching patterns on their clothes (I chatted a length with a re-enactor I met while walking around Boston. Strange but interesting folk :-) )

380 oriana fan  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:57:42pm

Hah, 90%...I guess I can stay.

381 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:00:39pm

To quote Dead Kennedys:

"When archaeologists dig this up, they'll either laugh or cry."

382 PaxAmericana  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:19:30pm

I got a 100%. Though, to be fair, I majored in history. And I teach history at a high school. And I'm not an idiot.

On a more serious note: Americans, especially students, don't give a shit about history. Most of their knowledge comes from Hollywood or "common knowledge" that is usually distorted. Schools don't place an emphasis on history and social studies because state exams (on which schools are graded) don't test for it.

383 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:34:03pm

OK Everyone -

Scored an "80" - One was wrong - the other was unclear as to being there, the Black American Spy - Powers that be said I didn't answer it. Truth is I DID NOT SEE THAT QUESTION.
Now, for the Record, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is a "GLOSS" on the reality of the time. The ORIGINAL DRAFT, by Thomas Jefferson read -
"LIFE, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY" - Pursuit of Happiness was a wording compromise between the Northern and Southern Colonies regarding the "Peculiar Institution" of Slavery. This - as other Compromises - allowed the Nation to be founded - albeit, with Legal Human Bondage.
About "Four Score and Seven Years" later, the Nation paid HUGE Blood Price for that Unfinished Business - a Blood Price not seen again for another Forty Years in Europe. That is all.

-S-

384 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:38:01pm

re: #76 Sharmuta

I sure did. Just as dangerous, imo, as the assault on science by the theo-cons is the assault on history and civics. It's hard to keep the Republic if we don't understand its history nor the reasoning for its structure and function. Were we to have a better understanding of civics, the theo-cons would understand where we have a separation of Church and State.

The authors of the declaration of independence observed that a republic won't work unless the people are educated and of good character. Having a republic requires a literate voting public, and we don't have literacy tests because those were abused, so that requires having a literate public, period. One reason California is so badly governed might be that the educational establishment there married "whole word" teaching for a decade or so, and in that decade, if you learned how to read, it was at home.

385 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:44:26pm

I also got 100%, but I don't think it's anything to be proud of. This material was covered quite thoroughly in my elementary and junior-high public school years.

Texas' history was also covered (note: anyone who enjoys epic drama should look into Texas history), but somehow my public school education never addressed anything past "Reconstruction".

386 keithgabryelski  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:46:24pm

the test is broken -- it claims it asked me questions (on the answer sheet) that it did not ask me (and marked me wrong). It also asked me who the slave ... armistead question twice, never asked me "where is the liberty bell".

I might have missed the Hale quote if they had suggested "patrick henry" -- not sure why I conflate those two.

i missed Yorktown, shouldn't have. I missed Armistead, shouldn't have.

387 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:56:29pm

re: #386 keithgabryelski

the test is broken -- it claims it asked me questions (on the answer sheet) that it did not ask me (and marked me wrong). It also asked me who the slave ... armistead question twice, never asked me "where is the liberty bell".

I might have missed the Hale quote if they had suggested "patrick henry" -- not sure why I conflate those two.

i missed Yorktown, shouldn't have. I missed Armistead, shouldn't have.

Yes, there are some bugs in the online quiz - I emailed them and let them know they need to fix it.

388 Claire  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:57:59pm

80%, and even that's a little embarassing...

389 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:02:31pm

Often, during July 4th weekend, American's are asked if they think the a list of ten principles - four of which are listed below - should be added to the U.S.Constitution. Generally American's reject these princiiples and have been known to denounce these as Communist:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


The complete list of ten principles. Would you approve of these?.

390 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:22:28pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

Americans enjoy giving each other history tests and then kvelling with shame (I know, it's a weird concept) when we do poorly. I don't know if other countries do this, but it seems to give us pleasure.

I wonder to what percentage of American's does December 7th have historical meaning? (Hint: I don't mean Mary Ellen Rudin, Leopold Kronecker, Willa Cather, or even Tom Waits - though happy birthday to all)

391 Flavia  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 10:12:48pm

The website is a little off. It repeated one question twice - I answered it correctly both times - and then, when the scoring came, told me "You answered this wrong" - and it showed a totally different question without any answer at all (And I knew the answer)! It was an extremely simplistic test, too - I am ashamed so many people did wrong!

392 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 10:14:59pm

70%! Whoo hoo...but actually 80% given the off question...

I guess that's decent.

393 PaxAmericana  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 11:04:05pm

re: #387 Charles

Really? Worked ok for me.

394 stiruptheblog  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 11:14:50pm

Same here, error in the quiz gave me 60% when i scored 70%.
Whos the dumbass? Still, a C is better than an F =)

395 Aisha  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 12:23:28am

Aisha got 90%, which is not bad for a pious Muslimah who gets funny feelings in the pants about destroying the Great Satan.

ULULULULULULUL!

396 Spaceman_Spiff  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 12:49:57am

re: #263 HappyWarrior
What's your opinion of Woodrow Wilson so far? Right now that is one of several books on my reading list.

This is somewhat related but I had a few history classes with Professor Cooper. He was one of my favorite professors when I was at UW-Madison.

397 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 1:48:06am

re: #373 Quilly Mammoth

9 out of 10. I thought the flag question was a trick and selected 15.

You only missed by a little over a decade... that would have been the flag at the time of the War of 1812 (for example, the Ft. McHenry flag). 15 States... 15 stars and 15 stripes.
As it became apparent that expansion to more states would quickly cause the flag to become a bit "busy", it was decided to use 13 stripes to honor the original 13 states and only increase the number of stars.

398 anamika  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 4:17:11am

I am not an American or live in America (never formally learned American history) but got a score of 8/10 in the quiz.

399 anamika  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 4:23:12am

re: #398 anamika

I am not an American or live in America (never formally learned American history) but got a score of 8/10 in the quiz.

My knowledge comes from watching Hollywood movies like The Patriot and reading American novels like Gone with the Wind though!

400 anamika  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 4:27:00am

re: #399 anamika

And of course from having watched National Geographic and History channels out of curiosity as a child.

401 CSKapper  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 5:38:23am

I got an 80 on the quiz. I missed Yorktown and Armistead.

402 Yashmak  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 7:28:37am

This sort of thing is not too surprising. I read a figure the other day, that only 40% of adult Americans read 1 or more entire books a year.

403 Lanzman  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 7:36:42am

I only missed one . . . but to be fair, I've been going thru a bunch of biographies of the founders in the last couple years, so I'm kinda up on this stuff.

404 limewash  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 7:39:25am

(sigh) how embarassing, I got 60% because i second guess myself on two questions DOH!

405 Ken K  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 7:58:17am

I got 8/10, and I'm Canadian!

(To be fair, a couple of my answers were more-or-less 'educated guesses'...)

406 Andrew Lazarus  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 9:39:33am

10/10. But then, my team has won the Redwood City Trivia Bee 3 times running.

Look, the tea baggers know all you need to know: that Washington and Reagan led the American forces in the Revolution against British Taxes. (The idea that we would have our own taxes is a Kenyan-Indonesian plot.)

And I bet they would do better on a Civil War test as long as all the questions were about the Confederate side.

407 borgcube  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 9:55:15am

re: #12 MandyManners

Now, *that* is extremely alarming.

Way late here. But, I think we should be oh, I don't know, about ten trillion times more worried over the fact that 50% of us think that line came from George Washington, Thomas Paine, or Barack Obama, or at least thinking that the first two said that.

I understand how the third name got in there. That's easy.

But no, let's get all into a tizzy over the fact that Tea Party folks missed the question about a Polish immigrant financier of the Revolutionary War.

Maybe Bill Maher is right.

408 soccermom  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 7:07:16pm

90% here. Woo hoo. I missed this one: Who was the African slave whose spying on behalf of the Continental Army contributed to the British defeat at Yorktown?

409 Mauser  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 9:34:01pm

I should have gotten 10/10, but the first question it asked me (Which was repeated as the 4th) was NOT the same one in the answer key, which said I didn't answer the first question...

410 Big Digger  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 5:48:34am

17% passed ? Wow!

With the questions being asked, I was surprised that the quiz didn't ask who was buried in George Washington's tomb.


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